General NBA Free Agent News Thread

[will_spurs]

Zydrunas Ilgauskas has turned down an offer from the Cleveland Cavaliers and will instead join LeBron James in Miami.



Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/#ixzz0tavVAIJr

Add insult to injury...

[Blackjack]

teamziller

RT @DarnellMayberry Sources in NO say General Manager Jeff Bower has been released by the Hornets. Announcement is expected Tuesday.

Not sure where this goes but it's something!

[Blackjack]

http://www.blogcdn.com/nba.fanhouse.com/media/2010/07/avocado-tz-560-1279060027.jpg

[Brazil]

http://www.blogcdn.com/nba.fanhouse.com/media/2010/07/avocado-tz-560-1279060027.jpg
:lol

[Shastafarian]

Idk what you guys think is so funny. The Ryan Hollins era in Minnesota has begun!

[Blackjack]

Here's the link to the avocado-Kahn tale of the tape: Avocado wins! (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/13/david-kahn-at-it-again-ships-jefferson-away/) :downspin:

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Kahn is the best unintentional comedy in the NBA. Seriouslah.

[Libri]

SpearsNBAYahoo

Cavs sign Rockets restricted free agent guard Kyle Lowry to a four-year offer sheet worth around $24 million, league source told Y! Sports.

[200 miles]

So no one wants to take a chance on Randolph Morris or Chris Hunter, a couple of 7-footers in their mid-20s, for the LLE? Both of them need to prove themselves and I think either of them can help with just their presence alone, as opposed to a miles-over-the-hill Shaq who sure enough will use the AT&T Center as his own personal three-ring circus.

[ducks]

chadfordinsider

Xavier Henry not playing in Summer League b/c of contract dispute. How, given rookie salary scale?

chadfordinsider

Team customarily give player 120% of salary scale. Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley offered less. Thus ... no Henry in summer league

spurs usually give less of salary scale as possible

[The Btown Spur]

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ

looks like al harringtons going to the nuggets

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

lol Mavs going from Jefferson to Tolliver

[Obstructed_View]

So no one wants to take a chance on Randolph Morris or Chris Hunter, a couple of 7-footers in their mid-20s, for the LLE? Both of them need to prove themselves and I think either of them can help with just their presence alone, as opposed to a miles-over-the-hill Shaq who sure enough will use the AT&T Center as his own personal three-ring circus.

Nobody even wants to take a chance on Ian Mahinmi, who knows the defense, has good post moves and played well every single time he got an opportunity to play.

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody even wants to take a chance on Ian Mahinmi, who knows the defense, has good post moves and played well every single time he got an opportunity to play.He didn't play well every time.

[Obstructed_View]

He didn't play well every time.

Okay. Are Morris or Hunter more likely to play well or get a chance in Pop's rotation?

[ChumpDumper]

Okay. Are Morris or Hunter more likely to play well or get a chance in Pop's rotation?All are equally unlikely. If I'd give an edge to anyone, it would be Hunter -- but I don't know enough about Morris.

[Obstructed_View]

All are equally unlikely.
Yep, that's basically it. I'd love to see a young center with some potential get a chance, no matter who it is. Seems odd that the Spurs let Mahinmi go about the same time they drafted him all over again. Hope this one turns out better for them.

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, that's basically it. I'd love to see a young center with some potential get a chance, no matter who it is. Seems odd that the Spurs let Mahinmi go about the same time they drafted him all over again. Hope this one turns out better for them.I don't see Richards as the same player at all.

[EricB]

Richards seems more like an athletic Troy Murphy

[angelbelow]

Richards seems more like an athletic Troy Murphy

Well I think his ceiling is roughly a more athletic Troy Murphy.. but wasn't Ian's ceiling compared to Amare at one point?

Don't much about Richards but does anyone know about his work ethic, passion for the game, willingness to learn etc?

[will_spurs]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5377055

Dampier + Najera + Carroll to Bobcats, Chandler + Ajinca to Mavs.

It looks like Dallas is collecting bigs like the Wolves are collecting point guards :)

Funny to see that even the Mavs and the Bobcats manage to move their useless bigs around, but the Spurs can't.

[MannyIsGod]

Well I think his ceiling is roughly a more athletic Troy Murphy.. but wasn't Ian's ceiling compared to Amare at one point?

Don't much about Richards but does anyone know about his work ethic, passion for the game, willingness to learn etc?

Amare may have been compared to Amare at one point before he ever stepped foot on the NBA court but not in the past few years. Thats for damn sure.

This Spurs team already has a 5 big rotation. You guys assume the Spurs didn't want Ian back (not a bad assumption) BUT Ian did say in an interview that he didn't want to be a 5th or 6th big again so maybe he just didn't want to sign. Even if you think he's better than Bonner he'd still be the 5th big.

Ian had his chances but didn't make them pan out and got hurt too much. Maybe he'll destroy things on the Mavs and then you can come right your scol...errr Mahimni threads but until then maybe people should just let it go.

It always amazes me how much bitching people do over guys that maybe play a combined 150 minutes the entire season.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bostjan nachbar anyone?

[AFBlue]

From Wojo twitter...


Luke Ridnour has agreed in principle to a 4-year, $16 million deal with Wolves, sources say. Wolves may move Ramon Sessions to Charlotte.

The second piece about Sessions makes sense as Felton is headed to Knicks.

[rjv]

ridnour to wolves? another PG? what does this say about rubio ?

[AFBlue]

ridnour to wolves? another PG? what does this say about rubio ?

Absolutely nothing...this is David Kahn we're talking about. If anyone can make it work, he can!

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Shaun Livingston has agreed in principle to a two-year, $7 million deal with Charlotte, league sources tell Y! Also non-guaranteed 3rd year.

[tdunk21]

WojYahooNBA

Shaun Livingston has agreed in principle to a two-year, $7 million deal with Charlotte, league sources tell Y! Also non-guaranteed 3rd year.

good move by the cats....i hope he can play the way he did before the injuries...

[rjv]

small gamble by charlotte. it could pay off for them.

[AFBlue]

WojYahooNBA

Shaun Livingston has agreed in principle to a two-year, $7 million deal with Charlotte, league sources tell Y! Also non-guaranteed 3rd year.

Amazing how guys like Livingston and Telfair are still getting contracts (even if relatively small) based on their potential, despite no production.

[AFBlue]

From Wojo twitter...


RT@DMorey Congratulations to Kyle Lowry on signing his new deal. We plan to match the agreement and we are excited he will be returning to the Rockets

[ace3g]

regarding Livingston

he ended last season with the Wizards and played well, avg around 10 pts and 6-7 assists

[timvp]

Massive props to Livingston for making it all the way back. :tu

As for the Bobcats, that's one hell of a gamble. Personally, there's no way I give him that contract. The chances of him staying healthy an entire season (much less two seasons) are microscopic.

[8FOR!3]

I don't see Shaun Livingston going anywhere in Charlotte. He'll be a below average backup who can't stay healthy.

[Spurs Brazil]

Knicks Meeting With Josh Howard

Jul 14, 2010 1:33 PM EST
The Knicks are meeting with Josh Howard on Wednesday.

Howard is also considering remaining with the Wizards, but has also received interest from the Bulls and Celtics



Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68147/20100714/knicks_meeting_with_josh_howard/#ixzz0tggHzyAc

[ducks]

I see knicks offering a bad contract

[ace3g]

Rockets matching Lowry offer

Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said he plans to match the four-year, $24 million offer guard Kyle Lowry(notes) received from the Cleveland Cavaliers.

The Cavs reached agreement with Lowry on the offer late Tuesday.

“We plan to match the agreement and we are excited he will be returning to the Rockets,” Morey said on his Twitter account.

Lowry averaged 9.1 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.6 assists last season for the Rockets.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Auil6qtOdEizo1BZ9nV9rRy8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz071410

[coyotes_geek]

That's an awful lot of scratch for a backup point guard.

[AFBlue]

That's an awful lot of scratch for a backup point guard.

Probably about what Hill would make. You saying you wouldn't want the Spurs to match an equivalent deal even if they still had Parker?

It makes sense for the Rockets...he's a solid player for them.

[DesignatedT]

6 mil a year for lowry?? :lmao

[coyotes_geek]

Probably about what Hill would make. You saying you wouldn't want the Spurs to match an equivalent deal even if they still had Parker?

It makes sense for the Rockets...he's a solid player for them.

If the rockets think as highly of lowry as the Spurs do of Hill, then more power to them. JMO, but I don't think Lowry's worth that much.

[DesignatedT]

Hill>>>>>Lowry

[angelbelow]

6 mil a year for lowry?? :lmao

Hes been making a name for himself the past 2 years. Not surprised by the contract.

[AFBlue]

Hill>>>>>Lowry

Hill - 12.9 PPG, 2.9APG, 2.6RPG in 30MPG
Lowry - 9.1PPG, 4.5APG, 3.6RPG in 25MPG

Lowry relentlessly attacks the rim, is a great rebounder for a guard and plays with a lot of intensity. I'd say Hill probably has more room for growth, but Lowry is a very solid player.

[ploto]

The Phoenix Suns completed a trade to acquire Hedo Turkoglu from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for Leandro Barbosa and Dwayne Jones on Wednesday. The trade is pending the completion of physicals.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/07/14/20100714phoenix-suns-acquire-swingman-josh-childress.html#ixzz0thiDXjch

[sefant77]

So funny how from all GMs Sarver trade for the 2nd most shitty contract after Lewis...

[Ocotillo]

ridnour to wolves? another PG? what does this say about rubio ?

Holy crap!! Kahn wants Tony Parker! :wow

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources: Clippers checking out Tracy McGrady, contemplating an offer: http://tinyurl.com/28ro2v4

[Spurs Brazil]

STEIN_LINE_HQ ESPN.com sources say Lakers still talking to Shannon Brown about a return. Two-time champs obviously still want more guard depth

[silverblk mystix]

STEIN_LINE_HQ ESPN.com sources say Lakers still talking to Shannon Brown about a return. Two-time champs obviously still want more guard depth

maybe Kobe struck out with Raja Bell?

[silverblk mystix]

just saw the other thread,sorry

[ohmwrecker]

maybe Kobe struck out with Raja Bell?

Apparently so.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5381152

[ohmwrecker]

just saw the other thread,sorry

Never mind, then.

[ace3g]

STEIN_LINE_HQ

RT @reallisa: Just got off phone with Clippers' Neil Olshey. Clips bringing in Tracy McGrady next week to work out for them

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski WojYahooNBA

Just hung up the phone with agent Mark Bartelstein, who's irate over Hornets empty suit Hugh Weber reneging on a contract for Luther Head.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

After firing Jeff Bower as GM, Weber is trying the slimy trick of 'failing' a healthy player on a physical to back out of a deal Bower made.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Weber is one more clown act running a team who doesn't know if the ball is stuffed or blown. With Shinn, he undermined Bower at every turn.

[EricB]

Typical hornets bush-league move

[bigdog]

Hornets front office is a joke. Stupid move.

[AFBlue]

Lakers look close to bringing back Brown...probably not a bad consolation prize to losing Bell.


With Raja Bell choosing to sign with the Utah Jazz, guard Shannon Brown has moved closer to re-signing with the Los Angeles Lakers, his agent told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday night.

Lakers general manager “Mitch [Kupchak] and I have been talking and we’re getting there on something,” said Brown’s agent, Mark Bartelstein.

Brown, 24, played 82 games for the Lakers, and averaged a career-high 8.1 points and 20 minutes last season.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, 12:39 a.m. ET, July 15

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjcBoBf7H9nyKvYa3lGWjx.8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz071410

[Kindergarten Cop]

Would the Lakers be limited to the remaining amount of their MLE ($1.7M) to retain Brown, figuring since they do not have Bird (or even Early Bird) Rights? You've got to figure that Brown could make more than that on the market, no?

[EricB]

According to John Ireland out here in LA, the market was not as big for Brown as Brown thought it would be...

[Kindergarten Cop]

According to John Ireland out here in LA, the market was not as big for Brown as Brown thought it would be...

No team would even be willing to part with the LLE for Brown? I am honestly shocked.

[Mel_13]

Would the Lakers be limited to the remaining amount of their MLE ($1.7M) to retain Brown, figuring since they do not have Bird (or even Early Bird) Rights? You've got to figure that Brown could make more than that on the market, no?

Lakers do have Early Bird Rights (two consecutive seasons without being waived) on Brown.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Lakers do have Early Bird Rights (two consecutive seasons without being waived) on Brown.

Thanks. After reading more on it, I have a better idea how the Early Bird Rights work. That makes more sense now for Brown and his agent to be in the process of negotiations with the Lakers.

[EricB]

According to Matt barnes he makes his decision on where to play next year tommorow...

[Vic Petro]

Posted this in the RJ thread but it looks like Barnes is not coming to San Antonio...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2010/07/matt-barnes-gone-to-heat-or-celtics.html

EDIT: Heat and Celtics are favorites but he's also considering other teams.

[Mel_13]

Matt Barnes and his agent are close to finalizing a free-agent deal that could send Barnes to one of the Orlando Magic’s toughest rivals.

Barnes posted the following message to his Twitter account minutes ago: “2maro is the day. I will let my fans know where I’m going to sign. Its gonna SURPRISE you!!!! Keep it locked..”

I exchanged text messages with Barnes a few moments ago. He confirmed that he wrote the Twitter message, but he politely declined to comment on his specific plans.

My colleague Brian Schmitz wrote earlier today that Barnes has drawn interest from the Miami Heat and the Boston Celtics, among other teams.

In the meantime, Barnes and his agent, Aaron Goodwin, are strongly denying an OrlandoMagic.com report that mentioned Barnes had turned down an offer from the Magic that would have paid Barnes roughly $2.6 million in 2010-11.

In fact, Barnes and Goodwin continue to say that the Magic have not offered Barnes a contract this offseason.

http://ht.ly/189mTm

[8FOR!3]

It's gonna surprise us? Could he possibly be a Spur? Hallelujah if so.

[MannyIsGod]

It's gonna surprise us? Could he possibly be a Spur? Hallelujah if so.

Read the first line again.

My money is on the Heat.

[8FOR!3]

Bro, we're practically Team Edward/Team Jacob with Orlando ;)

[Spurs Brazil]

The Denver Nuggets have re-signed G Anthony Carter and signed free-agent F/C Shelden Williams, team Vice President of Basketball Operations Mark Warkentien announced today.

Carter, 35, spent the past four seasons with the Nuggets, averaging 5.6 points and 4.5 assists in 204 regular-season games. In his 11-year NBA career with Miami, San Antonio, Minnesota and Denver, he has averaged 5.0 points, 4.0 assists and 2.2 rebounds in 566 games.



Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68172/20100715/nuggets_sign_anthony_carter_shelden_williams/#ixzz0tmeetwOk

[Das Texan]

Read the first line again.

My money is on the Heat.



They still have money left over? Whats he signing for the minimum?

[ajballer4]

According to Matt barnes he makes his decision on where to play next year tommorow...

What time is the sportscenter special?

[coyotes_geek]

What time is the sportscenter special?

With Barnes it's not so much as a 1 hour special as it is a multi-week, survivor style production. One by one teams refuse to offer Barnes a contract until the last one standing agrees to take him on a 1-year deal for league minimum.

[tmtcsc]

I bet Barnes is going to the Lakers. That would be a surprise given his history with Kobe Bryant too.

[timvp]

Ainge, during his radio interview, downplayed the possibility of Barnes joining Boston.

“The problem with Matt is –– Matt is a terrific player, started for Orlando last year, and he opted out of his contract,” Ainge said. “So I think he has some expectations of getting more money than he made last year, and all we have to offer right now is the veteran’s minimum.”

If Ainge is right and Barnes will be going for cash, that would take Boston, Miami and the Lakers out of the picture. Without RJ, Barnes would be a very good signing. He's good enough to start if no one else steps up to win the vacant SF job.

The main problem with Barnes in San Antonio is that he's bad in the locker room. But then again, with the little money the Spurs have left, they can't get too picky.

[silverblk mystix]

I would like to see the spurs sign Barnes, although it seems highly improbable.

What I do like about Barnes is that he seems to still play with passion and if you noticed in the Magic/Celtics series ---he seemed to be one of the magic players that never gave up.

Lewis and Carter and company were throwing in the towel-but Barnes kept battling.

I also always liked Barnes -just for the way he played when the Warriors embarrassed the Mavs in that series.

Finally, I like that he can get in Kobe's head a little bit and does not back down.

I think if Pop could overlook some of his failings--the spurs might grab a good piece that would add some toughness and attitude the spurs are lacking,IMO.

[EricB]

If Ainge is right and Barnes will be going for cash, that would take Boston, Miami and the Lakers out of the picture. Without RJ, Barnes would be a very good signing. He's good enough to start if no one else steps up to win the vacant SF job.

The main problem with Barnes in San Antonio is that he's bad in the locker room. But then again, with the little money the Spurs have left, they can't get too picky.

Clippers?

Who else has the MLE? Rockets?

[EricB]

I've heard mutliple times from guys like Jay Howard guys on 760 and my buddy who works in the organization that Pop does not like Barnes. 100% of the time, if Pop doesn't like someone they aint comin.

[Duncan2177]

I've heard mutliple times from guys like Jay Howard guys on 760 and my buddy who works in the organization that Pop does not like Barnes. 100% of the time, if Pop doesn't like someone they aint comin.

Weird

[ace3g]

The main reason why I had Matt Barnes on my SF FA wish list is because he would have created healthy competition for the starting SF spot with RJ (before he had opted out of his contract).

Right now he is probably the best available SF FA. He has stayed healthy over the last couple of years, he can guard bigger players like Dirk and quick enough to keep up with the smaller guards/forwards.

He has been known to bring some trouble to the locker room but the Spurs have brought in players like that before and everything has worked out.

Of course the main issue with Barnes is that he isn't the greatest 3 point shooter. He is a decent defender and ball handler for his size though.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein STEIN_LINE_HQ

RT @Jonathan_Feigen: Rockets reach a deal with Luis Scola, a source said. Deal for five years, worth $47 million.

[jiggy_55]

Luis Scola resigns for 5 years 47 million according to sources.

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/18641293976

[timvp]

I've heard mutliple times from guys like Jay Howard guys on 760 and my buddy who works in the organization that Pop does not like Barnes. 100% of the time, if Pop doesn't like someone they aint comin.

The Spurs have tried to sign Barnes about a half dozen times. Earlier in his career, Barnes didn't come because he said he didn't want to leave the West Coast. Last year he picked the Magic over the Spurs because he could start in Orlando.

It's possible that Pop and the Spurs don't like Barnes anymore since just about everyone in the NBA is tired of his act ... but the Spurs would have had to go from liking Barnes to disliking Barnes within the last year.

[timvp]

Nice deal for Scola. Not too unreasonable in this market.

Good to see that Scola's journey ends by getting paid :tu

[EricB]

All I know is I doubt very little that comes from Mr Howard. Him and Pop are pretty close last I checked. I asked him in the 08 09 season near the end of the year, is Barnes someone they'd go after and he quickly and flatly said NO, Pop does not like him, he heard way too much from Don Nelson how much of a problem he was, he even said Nelly almost went as far to say as Barnes was the reason that team didn't duplicate going to the playoffs the very next year after 07 due to being such a mess.

[Kori Ellis]

I've heard mutliple times from guys like Jay Howard guys on 760 and my buddy who works in the organization that Pop does not like Barnes. 100% of the time, if Pop doesn't like someone they aint comin.

Pop probably doesn't like him because San Antonio made him an offer twice in the past, and he turned the Spurs down.

[EricB]

Nice deal for Scola. Not too unreasonable in this market.

Good to see that Scola's journey ends by getting paid :tu

Yeah Im still shocked the Nets didn't go after him hard core, would've fit GREAT next to Lopez and would've made them very respectable.

[EricB]

Pop probably doesn't like him because they made him an offer twice in the past, and he turned the Spurs down.

Yeah I remember him being in before and turning them down to go to I think Sacramento cause he's from there. I think they understood that, then he turned em down again to go somewhere else can't remember where.

I do remember back in the old days of SR that he was in the facilities working out a bunch.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah I remember him being in before and turning them down to go to I think Sacramento cause he's from there. I think they understood that, then he turned em down again to go somewhere else can't remember where.

I do remember back in the old days of SR that he was in the facilities working out a bunch.

Yeah I know they worked him out for a week in summer of 05, then brought him back again (07??) but he wasn't interested in signing here either time.

[Kindergarten Cop]

http://twitter.com/kcjhoop

Bulls top targets expected to be Brewer and Bogans with Orlando match on Redick. Rudy Fernandez longshot trade possibility.

:wow

[Obstructed_View]

http://twitter.com/kcjhoop

bulls top targets expected to be brewer and bogans with orlando match on redick. Rudy fernandez longshot trade possibility.

:wow

yay.

EDIT: Oh Jesus! What if they sign Brewer?

[MaNu4Tres]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/cleveland_cavs_guard_delonte_w.html

Wing search on: In addition to looking for point guards via trade, league sources said the Cavs have been interested in several free agent wings. Ronnie Brewer, a defensive specialist who averaged 8.8 points and 3.3 assists for the Jazz and Grizzlies last season, is on the radar. Several teams have interest in him, including the Chicago Bulls.

Also on the Cavs' list is forward Rasual Butler, who averaged 11.9 points and 2.9 rebounds for the Los Angeles Clippers. Sources also indicate the Cavs have interest in Antoine Wright, a solid defender who averaged 6.5 points for the Raptors last season, and former Cav Flip Murray, a scoring specialist who averaged 9.9 points with the Bobcats and Bulls in 2009-10.


* FYI- Cavs can offer more than the 2.4 million salary the Spurs can offer for both Butler and Brewer*

[ace3g]

ChrisMannixSI

Multiple reports say Nate Robinson will return to the Celtics next season. Good move, N8 one of the best free agents left on market.

[ace3g]

espn

Reports: Boston Celtics bring back Nate Robinson for 2 years - http://es.pn/akpVj3

[AFBlue]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/cleveland_cavs_guard_delonte_w.html

Wing search on: In addition to looking for point guards via trade, league sources said the Cavs have been interested in several free agent wings. Ronnie Brewer, a defensive specialist who averaged 8.8 points and 3.3 assists for the Jazz and Grizzlies last season, is on the radar. Several teams have interest in him, including the Chicago Bulls.

Also on the Cavs' list is forward Rasual Butler, who averaged 11.9 points and 2.9 rebounds for the Los Angeles Clippers. Sources also indicate the Cavs have interest in Antoine Wright, a solid defender who averaged 6.5 points for the Raptors last season, and former Cav Flip Murray, a scoring specialist who averaged 9.9 points with the Bobcats and Bulls in 2009-10.


* FYI- Cavs can offer more than the 2.4 million salary the Spurs can offer for both Butler and Brewer*


As can Chicago and the Clippers. It doesn't look good for the Spurs at this point to add a player capable of starting at the 3 (outside of RJ).

[ace3g]

Marc Stein STEIN_LINE_HQ

RT @SamSmithHoops: Bulls have their starting two guard as NBA sources say they agree to $12.5 million three-year deal with Ronnie Brewer

[EricB]

Matt barnes tweeted a couple more teams have entered the race and now he's gonna wait a few days to make a decision...

[MannyIsGod]

As can Chicago and the Clippers. It doesn't look good for the Spurs at this point to add a player capable of starting at the 3 (outside of RJ).

Its looked this way for pretty much the entire summer.

[Spurs Brazil]

Dampier not opposed to re-signing with Bobcats
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AnzDt7a9abjwtrolenahcsO8vLYF?slug=ap-bobcats-dampier

[ace3g]

Joel Anthony Re-Signs With Heat

The Miami Heat announced today that they have re-signed center Joel Anthony. Per club policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed. “This contract with Joel Anthony is a testament to the man who is second to none; who has worked hard and deserved this,” said Heat President Pat Riley. “We felt that what he has done over the last couple of years in developing his game, his body and his knowledge warrants this reward. If other NBA non-drafted free agents want a prototype to follow, Joel Anthony is that man”

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68196/20100716/joel_anthony_re_signs_with_heat/#ixzz0ttctp6yl

[ace3g]

Michael Wallace: Heat's deal with Joel Anthony is for five years and about $18 million. Miami had made Anthony a $1.1 million qual offer.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0ttfdXVlk

[ace3g]

Michael Wallace: To recap, Heat rookie center Dexter Pittman gets 3-yr deal, 2 likely guaranteed.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0ttfnAPQF

Ira Winderman: Not only are Ilgauskas and Juwan Howard likely to get done over the weekend, but it seems a lock that Jamaal Magloire also is coming back.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0ttfx9hTO

[montgod]

Dampier not opposed to re-signing with Bobcats
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AnzDt7a9abjwtrolenahcsO8vLYF?slug=ap-bobcats-dampier

I wouldn't mind him going to the Spurs for remaining MLE if he couldn't find anything better. He looks like a better option than Shaq would be.

Another addition I wouldn't mind the Spurs checking out is Eddie House. Nice sharp shooter to fill the role that Mason was suppose to fill.

[timvp]

$18 million for Joel Anthony? WTF? Can't score or rebound. Pretty good shotblocker but got damn.

:smchode:

[kobyz]

STEIN_LINE_HQ

ESPN.com sources: Rockets reach terms with C Brad Miller on three-year deal worth nearly $15 million. Link on the way

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ

[Nathan89]

Rockets have a lot of talent on the team. If yao is healthy they can be dangerous.

[DPG21920]

Tiago for 11M. Let that sink in Petroanthony.

[Bruno]

:wow

Rockets will pay $10M in Luxury Tax for a team that is barely a pretender.

[Mel_13]

:wow

Rockets will pay $10M in Luxury Tax for a team that is barely a pretender.

Shhhhh....haven't you heard that Morey is a genius?

[Bruno]

Rockets have also overcrawed as hall at the PF /C spot with: Scola, Yao, Hayes, Andersen, Miller, Hill and Patterson. And they also have Jeffrie.

Either they are very low on Yao being healthy again or they will do some trades to trim their roster at that spot.

[murpjf88]

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ


Just filed to ESPN.com: San Antonio's Dell Demps has emerged as frontrunner in Hornets' search for new GM. Link forthcoming

[Blackjack]

Rockets have also overcrawed as hall at the PF /C spot with: Scola, Yao, Hayes, Andersen, Miller, Hill and Patterson. And they also have Jeffrie.


ShamSports

Presumably, David Andersen now takes a buyout and goes back to Europe That may well have happened anyway, but now they need the roster spot.

He would've been cheaper than Bonner . . .

[Bruno]

He would've been cheaper than Bonner . . .

Hell no, he can't write cool articles on sandwiches.

[Blackjack]

Hell no, he can't write cool articles on sandwiches.

Damn, you've got me thinking from the business side so much now that I neglected the culinary side. :depressed

[alchemist]

Hell no, he can't write cool articles on sandwiches.
:lol

[edgar]

I have a feeling the Spurs will end up signing Adam Morrison this coming week.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I have a feeling the Spurs will end up signing Adam Morrison this coming week.

Hell freakin no. But if it happens you are the new Nostradumus! :lol

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Bucks are close to acquiring Jon Brockman in sign and trade with Kings for Darnell Jackson and a future 2nd round pick, league source says.

[Blackjack]

Bucks like Brockman, Kings like Jackson's unguaranteed contract.

[Blackjack]

teamziller

Brockman's contract in MIL could be as high as $1.4M this season. Too rich for the Kings with five players signed at PF/C.

[ElNono]

Bucks like Brockman

This guy?

http://blogdeperiodismocreativo.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/kent_brockman.jpg

[Blackjack]

ShamSports

Bulls interested in Rasual Butler and Shannon Brown http://dlvr.it/2pDB3

[Blackjack]

This guy?

http://blogdeperiodismocreativo.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/kent_brockman.jpg

Now that would be breaking news. :lol

[AFBlue]

WojYahooNBA

Bucks are close to acquiring Jon Brockman in sign and trade with Kings for Darnell Jackson and a future 2nd round pick, league source says.

Forget the Boozer/Stoudamire defections...this is the move that could shift the balance of power between conferences.

[Bruno]

Another day without Spurs signing him someone...

This summer is looking more and more like a nightmare. Luckily, Spurs have re-signed Bonner to a long term contract.

I don't know if I should :rollin or :depressed .

[Muser]

No point being depressed about it, I think they are going to pull something off soon though, they have no choice.

[ace3g]

again the more I think about the time passing with no new, the more I think their target is Nachbar

[Blackjack]

Boki seems to be the most logical choice of the options. He definitely seems to be a Spurs type of move -- and he could surprise some.

[AFBlue]

Boki seems to be the most logical choice of the options. He definitely seems to be a Spurs type of move -- and he could surprise some.

Queue the Devin Brown signing. :lol

[mountainballer]

let's be realistic, with the little money Spurs can offer, getting a 8th-10th man is all you can expect at best. and that is not where championships are won.
so significant improvement can come via trade. I'm pretty sure after Bell and Jones turned down the Spurs offer, they are working that direction. the unguaranteed contracts (maybe in a package with Dice) could bring back something. likely not a great player, but someone who could play a 6th or 7th man in the rotation.

(looking at Houston. a bit overloaded roster, isn't it? maybe Battier is the odd man out?)

[Bruno]

No point being depressed about it, I think they are going to pull something off soon though, they have no choice.

Well, I don't think Spurs have a secret plan in the waiting. It's just that they are in an extremely complicated situation.

The RJ situation is head scratching as hell. A S&T would have been great for Spurs but it looks like there isn't a market for RJ. Spurs must now pick between re-signing a player who was a failure to a relatively big contract or having a big hole at the SF spot. There isn't a good solution.

Spurs also try to get a shooter but they haven't a lot of money available and they aren't a contender. Spurs' first choice (Bell) picked money over Spurs' offer. Spurs' second choice (James Jones) picked being with a contender over Spurs' offer.

[AFBlue]

Well, I don't think Spurs have a secret plan in the waiting. It's just that they are in an extremely complicated situation.

The RJ situation is head scratching as hell. A S&T would have been great for Spurs but it looks like there isn't a market for RJ. Spurs must now pick between re-signing a player who was a failure to a relatively big contract or having a big hole at the SF spot. There isn't a good solution.

Spurs also try to get a shooter but they haven't a lot of money available and they aren't a contender. Spurs' first choice (Bell) picked money over Spurs' offer. Spurs' second choice (James Jones) picked being with a contender over Spurs' offer.

:depressed

Damn Bruno, you really know how to bring a guy down. I can't help but agree with your assessment of the RJ situation. I think the waiting game to drive down RJs contract number (in terms of dollars and years) to a point that's palatable to the FO is probably the strategy at this point. RJ back for a "reasonable" contract is better than no RJ at all unfortunately.

One can only hope that a re-signed RJ does not have future roster implications (i.e. letting Tony walk) and that he would continue to mold his game to fit in the system, as he was apparently doing by working out with Pop prior to the opt-out.

[RiverwalkParade]

One question that I have not seen answered is: Why would RJ spend an offseason working with Pop if he intended to opt-out?

He's already shown that he has commitment issues (emailed his fiancee the day of the wedding ot let her know he wasn't going to be there), so who's to say this guy resigns and just plain quits on us for years to come.

Let him walk, good riddance.

[kobyz]

"Hearing that Cavs and Matt Barnes not happening. He's likely headed to Toronto."
http://twitter.com/twithersAP

[Dex]

I think the Spurs are kind of stuck without knowing what Richard Jefferson is going to do, thus the holding pattern.

Either way they should be chasing a small forward, but the nature of how they do it (or if they can try to pull off a sign and trade) changes dramatically depending on RJ.

[Spurs Brazil]

"Hearing that Cavs and Matt Barnes not happening. He's likely headed to Toronto."
http://twitter.com/twithersAP

Maybe the Cavs will panic and offer something to RJ

[Spurs Brazil]

Dooling Signs With Milwaukee
Jul 19, 2010 7:15 PM EST
The Milwaukee Bucks have signed guard Keyon Dooling to a contract, General Manager John Hammond announced today.
Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68237/20100719/dooling_signs_with_milwaukee/#ixzz0uB8TldPH

Clippers Sign Craig Smith
Jul 19, 2010 8:33 PM EST
The Los Angeles Clippers and free agent Craig Smith today reached an agreement that will enable the power forward to return to the team for 2010-11.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68239/20100719/clippers_sign_craig_smith/#ixzz0uB8aCYyq

[ElNono]

One question that I have not seen answered is: Why would RJ spend an offseason working with Pop if he intended to opt-out?

According to Richard, he has only been practicing for a few days, which pretty much dispels the rumor that he was training with Pop or with anybody for that matter:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4511940&postcount=31

[ace3g]

STEIN_LINE_HQ

Just filed to ESPN.com: Matt Barnes and Raptors closing in on two-year deal in $10 million range. Will be completed TUES barring late snag

[DPG21920]

Toronto is dumb.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Matt Barnes is near agreement on a two-year, $9 million deal with Toronto, with a player option for year two, a league source tells Y!

[TD 21]

Not bad for them. They need toughness, defensive intensity and an SF. That the deal is for 2 years max makes it okay. Anything more would have been stupid.

If it doesn't work out next season and he doesn't opt out, then he'll be an expiring contract the following season. So no real downside to this. Yeah, they overpaid, but it's not going to make them hamstrung going forward, like Turkoglu's contract would have until they miraculously found a taker.

[ace3g]

Matt_Barnes22

Nxt season I will b playing for the Toronto Raptors. I wanted to thank the fans in orl you guys were amazing the way u guys excepted

Matt_Barnes22

My family & I and the tremendous support you showed the team. Wish things could have went down alil different but thx for everything. B EZ!!

[DesignatedT]

Matt_Barnes22

Nxt season I will b playing for the Toronto Raptors. I wanted to thank the fans in orl you guys were amazing the way u guys excepted

Matt_Barnes22

My family & I and the tremendous support you showed the team. Wish things could have went down alil different but thx for everything. B EZ!!

:lol

[ace3g]

STEIN_LINE_HQ

ESPN.com link to Matt Barnes-to-Raptors deal on course for Tuesday completion (two years in $10 mil range): http://es.pn/cSnAhB

[ace3g]

STEIN_LINE_HQ

ESPN.com sources: Raps' signing of Barnes to be finalized TUES as sign-and-trade w/ORL, since bulk of TOR midlevel exception went to Kleiza

[ace3g]

John Hollinger johnhollinger

Wow. GREAT deals for Bulls. Shooter, can play some 2. RT @MSteinmetzCSN C.J. Watson going to Chicago in a sign-and-trade for 2nd-round pick.

[slick'81]

any news on where rausal may end up?!?!

[Stump]

Wow. That's a lot of money for Barnes.

[DPG21920]

Spurs, spurs, spurs.

[gospursgojas]

Spurs do know the off season is going on right?

[Mel_13]

You do know that 5M is more than 2.4M, right?

[gospursgojas]

You do know that 5M is more than 2.4M, right?

:dramaquee

It was a joke

[ace3g]

Clippers Sign Craig Smith

The Los Angeles Clippers and free agent Craig Smith today reached an agreement that will enable the power forward to return to the team for 2010-11.

Smith, who averaged 7.8 points, 3.8 rebounds and 16.4 minutes in 75 games played with Los Angeles last season, also connected on 57 percent of his field goals on the year. He was originally acquired by the Clippers, along with Sebastian Telfair and Mark Madsen from Minnesota, on July 20, 2009 in exchange for Quentin Richardson.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68239/20100719/clippers_sign_craig_smith/#ixzz0uBV2Xlmc

[DPG21920]

Spurs have to make a trade imo and I hope they can get one done early enough to where the player(s) can fit in.

[gospursgojas]

Rhino!

[Mel_13]

:dramaquee

It was a joke

Don't fear the blue.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs have to make a trade imo and I hope they can get one done early enough to where the player(s) can fit in.

For who?

[gospursgojas]

Don't fear the blue.

I see

[EricB]

Spurs have to make a trade imo and I hope they can get one done early enough to where the player(s) can fit in.


For who using what?

[Baseline]

WojYahooNBA

Matt Barnes is near agreement on a two-year, $9 million deal with Toronto, with a player option for year two, a league source tells Y!

LeWoj didn't have anything horrible to say about LeBron in this tweet?

What's the world coming to?

[ace3g]

johnhollinger

Magic & Raps have been creative with this stuff in past, but still waiting to find out how Barnes deal would be legal under CBA.

[Blackjack]

ShamSports

Bulls get C.J. Watson for 2nd rounder http://dlvr.it/2pcNB

[ace3g]

John Hollinger johnhollinger

As I understand it: Sign and trade must be min 3 yrs. Can't sign and trade using MLE. Barnes entitled to max salary of 1.9 mil from Orlando.

[DPG21920]

For who?

For a SF. There will be plenty of room to make trades as the season goes on. It just depends on what the Spurs will be willing to give up.

It is hard to pin point a specific player at the moment because we don't know how all the new signings will pan out and who will become available because they were over paid and are under performing.

I am sure I could bring up an initial list of players who play SF, that are a decent fit and *could realistically become available.



For who using what?

Spurs have plenty of options for trades big or small or in between on their end. They have low salary guys, high upside guys, elite vets and un-guaranteed contracts.

[DPG21920]

I am not sure if it is legal, but they might be using their TE to do a S&T. They are not using their MLE obviously because they used it on Kleiza (or most of it.)

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, that's a sexy deal for the Bulls..

[Mel_13]

I am not sure if it is legal, but they might be using their TE to do a S&T. They are not using their MLE obviously because they used it on Kleiza (or most of it.)

Hollinger's point is that a Barnes S&T starts with Barnes being signed by the Magic. The Magic don't have cap space and the CBA prevents using the MLE in conjunction with a S&T. The Magic don't have Bird Rights or Early Bird Rights on Barnes, so the best they can do is a 20% raise over his 2009-10 salary of 1.6M using the Non-Bird Exception. Finally, the reports talk about a 2yr deal and an S&T must be at least three years in length per the CBA.

[Obstructed_View]

But the Raps can sign him outright for that amount if they choose, correct?

[Mel_13]

But the Raps can sign him outright for that amount if they choose, correct?

According to reports I've read, they used most of their MLE on Kleiza. Maybe they worked out a S&T with Denver on that transaction and still have their MLE to use on Barnes???

[TD 21]

According to reports I've read, they used most of their MLE on Kleiza. Maybe they worked out a S&T with Denver on that transaction and still have their MLE to use on Barnes???

I think you've nailed it. While they've talked about Kleiza as if he's already on their team, they haven't officially announced his signing or sent out a press release, which means a sign-and-trade is probably in the works.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

And still no word on Butler. C'mon, CIA Pop, come through for us again...

[Mel_13]

And still no word on Butler. C'mon, CIA Pop, come through for us again...

That's gonna be a long wait. No reason for Butler to sign a deal starting at 2.4M in July. He'll bide his time and wait for a better deal. There still have to be at least 20 teams that can offer more than 2.4M to start.

[Blackjack]

PDcavsinsider
Hold on just a minute, Matt Barnes deal not completely done, says source. Issues with Orlando in sign-and-trade. Deal not done yet.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That's gonna be a long wait. No reason for Butler to sign a deal starting at 2.4M in July. He'll bide his time and wait for a better deal. There still have to be at least 20 teams that can offer more than 2.4M to start.

Yeah, I know, it's just wishful thinking... I really think he'd be a nice piece at SF, and it would indicate that at least one of Gee/Hairston is likely to get minutes this year, which I fully endorse. It's time to realise that we need to continue to blood youth, whether Tim's still playing or not. With Hill/Blair/Anderson sure to get minutes this year, and Gee/Hairston/Temple also in the mix, it looks like we're going in that direction, but a returning RJ would throw a spanner in that mix. I like Butler as a guy who can play 24-32 minutes, accept his role, play the steadying veteran when Pop needs one, but also allow Pop to play the youngsters. Re-signing RJ to 32mil/4yrs or somesuch would mean Pop would have to play him, and I don't think that helps us win another ring or rebuild.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, I know, it's just wishful thinking... I really think he'd be a nice piece at SF, and it would indicate that at least one of Gee/Hairston is likely to get minutes this year, which I fully endorse. It's time to realise that we need to blood youth, whether Tim's still playing or not.

I agree. At this point, if the Spurs could get Butler signed I'd be perfectly fine with them cutting RJ loose and going with the young guys.

[Obstructed_View]

According to reports I've read, they used most of their MLE on Kleiza. Maybe they worked out a S&T with Denver on that transaction and still have their MLE to use on Barnes???

I think the same rules apply. I misread who signed Kleiza which is why I was confused. I thought Toronto was under the cap. Sad that they traded away Chris Bosh and Hedo Turkoglu and are out of cap room.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein STEIN_LINE_HQ

RT @jadande: Hearing Matt Barnes to Toronto isn't done deal. Magic having trouble facilitating sign-and-trade (LINK ON WAY W/FULL UPDATE)

[5in10]

What about Ryan gomes? I don't know much about him but he's a sf that no
one really talks about.36% from 3 for his career. How's his defense?

[AFBlue]

What about Ryan gomes? I don't know much about him but he's a sf that no
one really talks about.36% from 3 for his career. How's his defense?

Signed with Clippers.

[5in10]

Signed with Clippers.

My bad.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

For Matt Barnes-to-Toronto, a league source says, "The sign and trade (scenario) is dead." Blamed on a "miscalculation" somewhere in talks.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein STEIN_LINE_HQ

Updated ESPN.com link to Matt Barnes latest and issues that have endangered his Toronto deal: http://es.pn/ac12Jw

[Obstructed_View]

Who could blame him for jumping at that much money. When it turns out Toronto can't afford to pay him much more than the good teams, he'll end up with LA or Orlando.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Barnes to LA would be hilarious. His twitter fights with Odom were the best.

LA would have 2 psychos in Barnes and Artest. I think that would finally get them to implode.


On another note, would most posters prefer Butler over Barnes? I feel the teams need a gritty tough defender that has been lacking since Bruce's departure, but at this point I'd rather play it safe with Butler, than take the risk with a locker room cancer in Barnes. His twitter alone would drive the FO crazy. :lol

[scottspurs]

I would rather have Butler, but really wouldn't mind Barnes either if it's a short term deal. I think he has proven he can't last with any one team for an extended stay.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Barnes to LA would be hilarious. His twitter fights with Odom were the best.

LA would have 2 psychos in Barnes and Artest. I think that would finally get them to implode.


On another note, would most posters prefer Butler over Barnes? I feel the teams need a gritty tough defender that has been lacking since Bruce's departure, but at this point I'd rather play it safe with Butler, than take the risk with a locker room cancer in Barnes. His twitter alone would drive the FO crazy. :lol

Butler every day, and twice on Sundays. Butler is a Spurs kinda guy (will fit the locker room well), a better shooter, very solid defender, and I think Barnes' D is vastly over-rated. Throw 4 years 10mil at him and see if he bites.

[Obstructed_View]

On another note, would most posters prefer Butler over Barnes? I feel the teams need a gritty tough defender that has been lacking since Bruce's departure, but at this point I'd rather play it safe with Butler, than take the risk with a locker room cancer in Barnes. His twitter alone would drive the FO crazy. :lol

I've said numerous times that the Spurs will never replace Bowen with one guy. I'd suggested at one point that Hill, Hairston and Gist could do it collectively. Two of those guys are still in the mix and developing quite nicely. Having the potential to dominate other teams on the glass and having two seven footers back in the rotation ain't gonna hurt things either.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about broke back tmac?

[lurker23]

Butler is still my top pick for the Spurs. Beyond him and MAYBE Bobby Simmons, there's not much out there that I like. Beyond those guys, I'd much rather the Spurs roll with their young guys. And even including Butler and Simmons, it's possible the most productive road would be to give extended minutes to Anderson/Hairston/Gee.

[MaNu4Tres]

Butler every day, and twice on Sundays. Butler is a Spurs kinda guy (will fit the locker room well), a better shooter, very solid defender, and I think Barnes' D is vastly over-rated. Throw 4 years 10mil at him and see if he bites.

Even if Spurs offer 4yr/10 million, Butler can most likely make that in 2 years given Barnes (attempted deal in the works) and Bell's deal.

I'd like to sign Butler with or without RJ for 2.365 million per year, he's the best option available for the remainder of the MLE. I just don't think it's realistic. Just like the many people who thought Spurs could sign Outlaw, Miller, Matthews, Morrow, Brewer,Wright for 2.365 million.

It's highly unlikely for Butler to settle for what's left of the MLE, (given Barnes/Bell's deal and with Cleveland being one of the teams having more money and being interested in him). Even if he wanted to settle for the money the Spurs have available, he'd have to choose the Spurs over roughly 10 other teams that would probably be interested in signing him for that amount. It's a step by step progress that you have take into account that makes him very unlikely. (1- Is he willing to take a paycut for 2.365 mil?; 2. If he's willing to take a paycut, is he willing to pick the Spurs over the other multiple teams interested in him for that low price?)

Because of Nachbar and Simmons being the remaining best options for the remainder of the MLE (realistically), resigning Jefferson is a must and is the most realistic and best viable option. (IMO) A 3 yr/24-27 million; or 4 yr/30 million with partial guarantee for the 4th year should be able to get the deal done. Word is from R.C Buford (from 3 days ago) is that they hope to resign him and are working in that direction. The hold up is probably because R.J and his agent are waiting out on a possible more lucrative deal from a desperate team to create leverage against the Spurs initial standing offer. We just have to be patient as this situation unfolds.

[mountainballer]

Butler is still my top pick for the Spurs. Beyond him and MAYBE Bobby Simmons, there's not much out there that I like. Beyond those guys, I'd much rather the Spurs roll with their young guys. And even including Butler and Simmons, it's possible the most productive road would be to give extended minutes to Anderson/Hairston/Gee.

agree. but talking about Simmons I fear he belongs to the same "fall back" category from where we picked Bogans last year. (remember, quite a few - including myself - thought he was not a bad idea as fall back). this year the Bogans are named Simmons, Hayes, Wilkens, Wright and -yes - Bogans.

I think the chance to get Butler with the available 2.4 million is lower than 5%. as long as Spurs don't know about RJ, it also doesn't make much sense to hire one of the 3rd stringer they probably could get. if RJ doesn't come back, Spurs MUST make a trade, or they will cover the SF spot next season with a Bogans level player as a starter and a Bogans level player as his back up. (and they very likely will need to sacrifice something in that trade. like Anderson for example)

[lurker23]

A 4 year max-deal the Spurs can offer Butler is 9.46 million(close to 10 million). Even then Butler can most likely make that in 2 years given Barnes (attempted deal in the works) and Bell's deal.

I'd like to sign Butler with or without RJ for 2.365 million per year, he's the best option available for the remainder of the MLE. I just don't think it's realistic. Just like how many people thought Spurs could sign Outlaw, Miller, Matthews, Morrow, Brewer,Wright for 2.365 million.

It's highly unlikely for Butler to settle for what's left of the MLE, (given Barnes/Bell's deal and with Cleveland having more money and being very interested in him). Even if he wanted to settle for the money the Spurs have available, he'd have to choose the Spurs over 10 other teams that would probably be interested in signing him for that amount. It's a step by step progress that you have take into account that makes him very unlikely. (1- Is he willing to take a paycut for 2.365 mil?; 2. If he's willing to take a paycut, is he willing to pick the Spurs over the other multiple teams interested in him for that low price?)

Because of Nachbar and Simmons being the remaining best options for the remainder of the MLE (realistically), resigning Jefferson is a must and is the most realistic and best viable option. (IMO) A 3 yr/24-27 million; or 4 yr/30 million with partial guarantee for the 4th year should be able to get the deal done. Word is from R.C Buford is that they hope to resign him and are working in that direction. The hold up is probably because R.J and his agent are waiting out on a possible more lucrative deal from a desperate team to create leverage against the Spurs initial standing offer. We just have to be patient as this situation unfolds.

:tu Agreed on all points. Butler is likely just a pipe-dream at this point, which increases the importance of resigning RJ (or getting something in a S&T if another team gets desperate). While I still think there's a slight chance some team does something stupid, the numbers you quoted should get it done.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Even if Spurs offer 4yr/10 million, Butler can most likely make that in 2 years given Barnes (attempted deal in the works) and Bell's deal.

I'd like to sign Butler with or without RJ for 2.365 million per year, he's the best option available for the remainder of the MLE. I just don't think it's realistic. Just like the many people who thought Spurs could sign Outlaw, Miller, Matthews, Morrow, Brewer,Wright for 2.365 million.

It's highly unlikely for Butler to settle for what's left of the MLE, (given Barnes/Bell's deal and with Cleveland being one of the teams having more money and being interested in him). Even if he wanted to settle for the money the Spurs have available, he'd have to choose the Spurs over roughly 10 other teams that would probably be interested in signing him for that amount. It's a step by step progress that you have take into account that makes him very unlikely. (1- Is he willing to take a paycut for 2.365 mil?; 2. If he's willing to take a paycut, is he willing to pick the Spurs over the other multiple teams interested in him for that low price?)

Because of Nachbar and Simmons being the remaining best options for the remainder of the MLE (realistically), resigning Jefferson is a must and is the most realistic and best viable option. (IMO) A 3 yr/24-27 million; or 4 yr/30 million with partial guarantee for the 4th year should be able to get the deal done. Word is from R.C Buford is that they hope to resign him and are working in that direction. The hold up is probably because R.J and his agent are waiting out on a possible more lucrative deal from a desperate team to create leverage against the Spurs initial standing offer. We just have to be patient as this situation unfolds.

I know your POV on this and it (sadly - I think Butler would be perfect for this team right now) makes sense, until the emboldened bit. We really want to commit 8-9mil/yr for the next 3 years (minimum) to a guy who doesn't fit our team? That's going to get us over the top? Given the lack of desire to sign the guy around the league, that would be a very difficult contract to move, and exactly the kind of mistake the Spurs' FO usually avoids (overpaying an average player). I'd go the other way - grab a cheap vet like Simmons or Nachbar and play the kids. Remember also that we'll have picks and probably an exception of some description (post-CBA it may take a different form) next season to strengthen the SF ranks, so commiting to 3 expensive years of RJ could handicap us going forward.

Signing RJ keeps us a mediocre team whilst stifling the development of our youth - on 8mil/yr Pop'd have to play him - all the while having to hang on to a bloated contract for a declining athlete. Ugh, no thanks.

[Bruno]

If Spurs have $2.365M left on their MLE, the max they can offer is:
$4.92M/ 2 years
$7.66M/ 3 years
$10.60M/ 4 years
$13.72M/ 5 years

[lurker23]

agree. but talking about Simmons I fear he belongs to the same "fall back" category from where we picked Bogans last year. (remember, quite a few - including myself - thought he was not a bad idea as fall back). this year the Bogans are named Simmons, Hayes, Wilkens, Wright and -yes - Bogans.

I think the chance to get Butler with the available 2.4 million is lower than 5%. as long as Spurs don't know about RJ, it also doesn't make much sense to hire one of the 3rd stringer they probably could get. if RJ doesn't come back, Spurs MUST make a trade, or they will cover the SF spot next season with a Bogans level player as a starter and a Bogans level player as his back up. (and they very likely will need to sacrifice something in that trade. like Anderson for example)

Yeah, I'm not fully convinced on Simmons myself, though the three seasons of 42% three-point shooting or greater is something Bogans could never come close to claiming.

I agree with the thought that, if the Spurs somehow get nothing for RJ and he walks, a trade for a SF is pretty much a given, unless someone really breaks out early in the season. This is my biggest worry with the whole situation, as it's hard to say what the Spurs would have to give up to get a starting-caliber SF. Candidates include young players (Anderson, Hill, Blair), stars like Parker (which would likely indicate the beginning of rebuilding anyway, and isn't recommended by me), or a cap friendly contract like Dice, which would thin our front line. None of those are roads I want to go down, which is why it is important that the Spurs either re-sign RJ or find a way to get at least a trade exception.

[MaNu4Tres]

I know your POV on this and it (sadly - I think Butler would be perfect for this team right now) makes sense, until the emboldened bit. We really want to commit 8-9mil/yr for the next 3 years (minimum) to a guy who doesn't fit our team? That's going to get us over the top? Given the lack of desire to sign the guy around the league, that would be a very difficult contract to move, and exactly the kind of mistake the Spurs' FO usually avoids (overpaying an average player). I'd go the other way - grab a cheap vet like Simmons or Nachbar and play the kids. Remember also that we'll have picks and probably an exception of some description (post-CBA it may take a different form) next season to strengthen the SF ranks, so commiting to 3 expensive years of RJ could handicap us going forward.

Signing RJ keeps us a mediocre team whilst stifling the development of our youth - on 8mil/yr Pop'd have to play him - all the while having to hang on to a bloated contract for a declining athlete. Ugh, no thanks.

I understand you POV and sometimes people tend to disagree on issues on this forum surprisingly. (Like the R.J situation for instance).

I just don't think 8/9 mil a year for 3 years (or 7.5 million for 4 yrs) is exactly the death of our financial flexibility for the future. An eight million dollar salary figure will be a very tradeable piece in just two years. (If R.J doesn't produce). Two years for a player with his proven ceiling for 7-9 million is worth the risk compared to the alternative (Simmons starting at SF). IMO

I know R.J didn't have the prototypical Bowen-like contribution on the defensive end or from the corner 3 that many of us solely judge him on. But fact is the guy still produced in other aspects (IMO) and helped out the team in ways we tend to forget (58 outings in the reg. season he scored double digits; his off the ball defense contesting shots at the rim and the 32 outings he scored over 15 points.) He wasn't Bowen-like with superior foot speed and lateral quickness on the perimeter, but he is a good versatile defender that is able to defend the bigger and more methodical wings ( Pierce, Melo, Artest, ect.) and he can contest shots off the ball and become an active player in that regard. *Not to mention his ability to convert at a very high percentage in transition, which should be an asset because of the Spurs finally adding Splitter to help the interior defense*

The fact that R.J's contribution can't really get any worse than it was for a portion of last year (February (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=1006))and for the fact that the guy has a very high and proven ceiling, capable of being a reliable 3 point threat;(which will open up many lanes for him to get to the rim and the line and open up the flood gates on the Spurs overall potential) makes me believe he is the Spurs best option if they want to get to the championship. The higher the potential, the better the chance Spurs have at number 5. IMO

[mountainballer]

as much as many will hate it, but currently the re signing RJ is something to pray for. we can then still also hope for the 2nd year in the system wonder.

btw. I mentioned Battier yesterday. didn't read that he is on the block (which he reportedly was last deadline), but I really wonder what the asking price from the Rockets would be. they now have so many options of (younger) player, who will all eat from his minutes at either SF or PF. (Ariza, Budinger, Hill, Patterson). and at almost 32 he also might not be in their long term plans. and the Rockets move to lux tax territory with the re signing of Scola.
however, he can't be had for just expirings (like some will propose immediately) and something like a 2011 1st rounder won't do it either. several pieces?
(btw. Houston might be a team that is interested in DeColo. they wanted Llull this year, but he signed with Real till 2014. not that Decolo was enough. just that they might be interested with having him in a package)

[elemento]

There's not way Butler is gonna sign for a 10m/4y contract.

I don't care if RJ comes back. The only thing that a don't want is a long-term bad contract. I imagine RJ wants 40M/4y. It's way too much for him.

[Obstructed_View]

What exactly did RJ do as a Spur that makes so many people think he's invaluable? I'd be willing to see him brought back on the gamble that he can improve with another training camp, but he's very unlikely to be a make-or-break piece for the Spurs.

[MaNu4Tres]

but he's very unlikely to be a make-or-break piece for the Spurs.

That's the thing..

Interior defense and the lack of a productive bench (Mason, Bogans, Bonner) were the two factors that hurt the Spurs the most, not so much R.J.

Splitter will help the interior D.

And Anderson, Hairston, Temple are already better than Mason and Bogans.

[Obstructed_View]

And Anderson, Hairston, Temple are already better than Mason and Bogans.
If they aren't, then no amount of RJ is going to help.

Having a real center (which the Spurs didn't have AT ALL) also means Blair and Bonner don't have to play out of position. Let's hope Splitter plays like a center.

[Spurs Brazil]

Sixers Sign Tony Battie
Jul 21, 2010 2:23 PM EST

Philadelphia GM Ed Stefanski announced today that the team has signed free agent center Tony Battie.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/#ixzz0uLeeBk6y

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's the thing..

Interior defense and the lack of a productive bench (Mason, Bogans, Bonner) were the two factors that hurt the Spurs the most, not so much R.J.

Splitter will help the interior D.

And Anderson, Hairston, Temple are already better than Mason and Bogans.

Unfortunately, Jeffersons poor rotations were a huge part of why our defense was bad at times. That and his three point shooting. In reality, his shortcomings were the epitome of our issues last season.

Hopefully this year Jefferson will not have to think and can just react and has time to work on his shot rather than completely focus on the playbook.

I know everyone wants to think that RJ is cooked but it makes more sense that he will move back towards his statistical norms. He is 30 not 35 after all.

[Spurs Brazil]

WojYahooNBA
Unless Cleveland raises multi-year offer that starts around $3.5M, Matt Barnes will sign a 1-year, $1.7M deal with Lakers, sources tell Y!

[ace3g]

daldridgetnt

Lakers planning 2 address likely loss of Josh Powell 2 ATL by signing veteran bigTheo Ratliff for one year, $1.3M. Story up soon on NBA.com.

daldridgetnt

Ratliff link: http://bit.ly/9NR6hr BTW, Ratliff does not impact Lakers' pursuit of Barnes; LAL trying to sign Barnes with remainder of MLE.

[edgar]

Any chance we can go after Shannon Brown?

[edgar]

Answer Me!

:makemyday

[DPG21920]

No Edgar. Spurs are already over crowded at the SG spot and probably don't have the money.

[edgar]

No Edgar. Spurs are already over crowded at the SG spot and probably don't have the money.

Thanks.

:toast

[objective]

Damn, I know some people scoffed at Scola's deal, but he's a good deal compared to RJ.

5/47 only if incentives are met for year five, and 4/38.8 with a player option.

Both are 30, but one relies on savvy and skill while the other relies on declining athleticism.

[ace3g]

David Aldridge daldridgetnt

Celtics and MarquiS Daniels reach agreement on 1-year, $2.5M deal. Story up soon on NBA.com.

daldridgetnt

Marquis Daniels link: http://bit.ly/9NR6hr

[loveforthegame]

Solid signings for the Lakers in getting both Barnes and Ratliff.

[ElNono]

Solid signings for the Lakers in getting both Barnes and Ratliff.

I thought Ratliff was done... :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

I thought Ratliff was done... :rolleyes

I just hope he and Mahinmi don't have better seasons than Splitter does.

[ElNono]

I just hope he and Mahinmi don't have better seasons than Splitter does.

That's obviously not possible.

[Blackjack]

That's obviously not possible.

I distinctly remember Kevin Garnett telling me anything was possible (but I think he spelled it differently).

[tmtcsc]

I bet Barnes is going to the Lakers. That would be a surprise given his history with Kobe Bryant too.

Nice. I quoted myself with the BUMP. I just had a feeling...The Lakers need another reason not to like them. I have no problem with us not getting him.
We'll be fine.

[ElNono]

Nice. I quoted myself with the BUMP. I just had a feeling...The Lakers need another reason not to like them. I have no problem with us not getting him.
We'll be fine.

Good call :tu

[Obstructed_View]

That's obviously not possible.

True. Young Spurs draft picks are incapable of playing...oh shit.

[murpjf88]

I would like to sign Shannon brown with the LLE. It would at least bring some excitement off the bench.

[gospursgojas]

yah spurs do need 9 guards

[ElNono]

I would like to sign Shannon brown with the LLE. It would at least bring some excitement off the bench.

We just signed Mario Ellie 2.0! What's not exciting about that?

[Obstructed_View]

I would like to sign Shannon brown with the LLE. It would at least bring some excitement off the bench.

Shannon Brown is fucking 6'4". Who you gonna cut?

[murpjf88]

Shannon Brown is fucking 6'4". Who you gonna cut?

Under that assumption, Hairston better not get table scraps from the front office

[Obstructed_View]

Under that assumption, Hairston better not get table scraps from the front office

Hairston's 6'6" with freakishly long arms. Try again.

[AFBlue]

I'd probably take Shannon Brown over Garrett Temple, but it's barely worth discussing.

[Obstructed_View]

I'd probably take Shannon Brown over Garrett Temple, but it's barely worth discussing.

I'd take him over Neal and maybe over Temple. I wouldn't cut Hairston for him.

[AFBlue]

I'd take him over Neal and maybe over Temple. I wouldn't cut Hairston for him.

Agreed.

[ace3g]

Antoine Wright To Sign One-Year Deal With Kings

The Kings are expected to sign Antoine Wright to a one-year deal on Friday, according to Tim Cowlishaw of the Dallas Morning News.

Wright averaged 6.5 points and 2.8 rebounds in 67 games with the Raptors during the 2009-10 season.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68312/20100723/antoine_wright_to_sign_one_year_deal_with_kings/#ixzz0uWnjFfZf

[ace3g]

Cavaliers Sign Christian Eyenga

The Cleveland Cavaliers have signed guard/forward Christian Eyenga to a contract, Cavaliers General Manager Chris Grant announced today. Per league and team policy, terms of the contract were not announced.

Eyenga, 21, was the Cavaliers’ first round selection (30th overall) in the 2009 NBA Draft. He averaged 3.9 points on .561 shooting and 2.0 rebounds in 12.0 minutes in 29 regular season games during the 2009-10 season with DKV Joventut Badalona of the Spanish League. The Spanish League is widely regarded as the second-best domestic league in the world behind the NBA. In 11 EuroCup games, the 6-foot-5 guard/forward posted averages of 3.4 points on .444 shooting and 1.2 rebounds in 9.7 minutes per game.

“We’re looking forward to having Christian continue his development on the court here with Coach Scott and our team,” said Cavs General Manager Chris Grant. “He has worked hard and we were very encouraged by his recent performance in summer league.”

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68314/20100723/cavaliers_sign_christian_eyenga/#ixzz0uWnwF5H2

[murpjf88]

I'd take him over Neal and maybe over Temple. I wouldn't cut Hairston for him.

Are you a trash collector OV? You have to learn to let things go. I think the Spurs made a statement by signing Neel. Besides, with all those teams knocking on Hairston's door trying to get a piece of that 6'6' with freakish wing span, the Spurs might lose out. There aren't too many "air" Hairston's remaining on the market this offseason. We should be blessed he supplied us with a warm bench seat for as long as he did. Unless, you think we should start Malik over Hill and let him run the show because the Spurs can never get enough Malik. How can the Spurs even cope with such a loss? There would definitely be a shift in the balance of powers in the Western Conference if Malik were no longer wearing silver and black.

[Obstructed_View]

Are you a trash collector OV? You have to learn to let things go. I think the Spurs made a statement by signing Neel. Besides, with all those teams knocking on Hairston's door trying to get a piece of that 6'6' with freakish wing span, the Spurs might lose out. There aren't too many "air" Hairston's remaining on the market this offseason. We should be blessed he supplied us with a warm bench seat for as long as he did. Unless, you think we should start Malik over Hill and let him run the show because the Spurs can never get enough Malik. How can the Spurs even cope with such a loss? There would definitely be a shift in the balance of powers in the Western Conference if Malik were no longer wearing silver and black.

Hey look, a strawman army!

[murpjf88]

Hey look, a strawman army!

Malik Homerism 101...Catch the fever.

[Obstructed_View]

Malik Homerism 101...Catch the fever.

You really want Shannon Brown that bad?

[murpjf88]

You really want Shannon Brown that bad?

Not as bad as Barnes or Bell, but he's a step up from Malik. Besides, the Spurs can only hope for sloppy seconds. There not going to sign first class FA's either because the want more money or will take less for a chance at a championship. SB is probably attainable and he averaged 8.1 ppg. He wouldn't be a bad addition off the bench. We also have no idea what Neel or Anderson will bring to the table offensively. They haven't played one minute on an NBA court. It would help to have some athletic insurance who has already produced and had success at the NBA level. He's no blockbuster, but not a bad role player with championship experience.

[AFBlue]

Are you a trash collector OV? You have to learn to let things go. I think the Spurs made a statement by signing Neel. Besides, with all those teams knocking on Hairston's door trying to get a piece of that 6'6' with freakish wing span, the Spurs might lose out. There aren't too many "air" Hairston's remaining on the market this offseason. We should be blessed he supplied us with a warm bench seat for as long as he did. Unless, you think we should start Malik over Hill and let him run the show because the Spurs can never get enough Malik. How can the Spurs even cope with such a loss? There would definitely be a shift in the balance of powers in the Western Conference if Malik were no longer wearing silver and black.

I just don't see how Brown signing with the Spurs would impact Hairston. It seems that if they brought in a combo guard like Brown, they would cut a combo guard like Temple.

[murpjf88]

I just don't see how Brown signing with the Spurs would impact Hairston. It seems that if they brought in a combo guard like Brown, they would cut a combo guard like Temple.

It didn't have to be Haisrston, I just came up with a name. Temple is a possibility. From what I read, the Neel signing most likely impacted Hairston though.

[elemento]

Why should we sign Brown? We have a nice guard rotation.

Parker/Hill/Manu/Anderson/Temple. Isn't that good enough ? I think it is. Unless you guys just want a nice dunk show.

That was never the problem with the Spurs.

We wanted a BIG to help Timmy - DONE

We wanted a SF with good defense and good 3-point shooting - NOT DONE

We overpaid a guy that doesn't fit and we overpaid a guy that chokes big time in playoffs.

That's basically our offseason.

[murpjf88]

Why should we sign Brown? We have a nice guard rotation.

Parker/Hill/Manu/Anderson/Temple. Isn't that good enough ? I think it is. Unless you guys just want a nice dunk show.

That was never the problem with the Spurs.

We wanted a BIG to help Timmy - DONE

We wanted a SF with good defense and good 3-point shooting - NOT DONE

We overpaid a guy that doesn't fit and we overpaid a guy that chokes big time in playoffs.

That's basically our offseason.

Who, left on the market, fills that role? Slim pickings from here on out.

[ace3g]

Rasual Butler is still available, which is odd considering he is one of the best remaining SF FA. In a couple of articles I've read about "the best available FA left on the market" Butler hasn't been mentioned.

[Obstructed_View]

It didn't have to be Haisrston, I just came up with a name. Temple is a possibility. From what I read, the Neel signing most likely impacted Hairston though.

Not sure how. Hairston's a better shooter, a better defender, and he's taller. Gary Neal's not likely to make the team, but if he does it'll be at the expense of Jerrells or Gee.

[wildbill2u]

Rasual Butler is still available, which is odd considering he is one of the best remaining SF FA. In a couple of articles I've read about "the best available FA left on the market" Butler hasn't been mentioned.

Maybe the fact that no one mentions him in that context is significant?

[Obstructed_View]

Maybe the fact that no one mentions him in that context is significant?

:lol

[AFBlue]

It didn't have to be Haisrston, I just came up with a name. Temple is a possibility. From what I read, the Neel signing most likely impacted Hairston though.

Where did you read that a Neal signing meant Hairston would probably be gone? And please don't say McDonald...he's got about as much insight to the Spurs as my soon-to-be-born son.

As far as job security for non-guaranteed contracts go, I'd put it in this order...

1) Hairston
2) Temple
3) Gee
4) Jerrells

If Brown is brought in, it will be at the expense of the low man on the totem pole.
.

[AFBlue]

It's funny because at the beginning I said it was barely worth the debate...must be a slow Friday

[Obstructed_View]

Where did you read that a Neal signing meant Hairston would probably be gone? And please don't say McDonald...he's got about as much insight to the Spurs as my soon-to-be-born son.

As far as job security for non-guaranteed contracts go, I'd put it in this order...

1) Hairston
2) Temple
3) Gee
4) Jerrells

If Brown is brought in, it will be at the expense of the low man on the totem pole.
.

I don't think McDonald would be stupid enough to suggest that Neal's going to push Hairston out. He and the Spurs probably agree with your order above. If there's an odd-man out it might be Gee because the Spurs could possibly need Jerrells if his point guard skills continue to show improvement.

[AFBlue]

If there's an odd-man out it might be Gee because the Spurs could possibly need Jerrells if his point guard skills continue to show improvement.

Like if they needed a PG because of a Tony Parker trade?

:stirpot: