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spursballer21

07-09-2010, 03:56 PM

ill rather pay ian that money f bonner hes a p****

SCdac

07-09-2010, 03:56 PM

Robert Horry made almost three times as many 3's in the 2005 post season than Bonner has in all of his playoffs combined. These players, from acumen, to talent, to athleticism, to shooting release, to defensive impact... these players are just not similar at all in my opinion... Spurs are wasting they're money and wasting Duncan's time.

vander

07-09-2010, 03:56 PM

I don't see how the Spurs can justify paying 5 bigs (TD, Blair, Dice, Bonner, and Splitter) next year when there are holes at other positions, ESPECIALLY when we know only 1 of those 5 will be on the court much of the time during Pop's "Small Ball."

To me, Bonner's re-signing means one of four things:

1. Splitter has decided to remain in Europe
2. Dice is either retiring or will be traded
3. The Spurs will trade Splitter's rights to another team and then use the MLE on a small forward and sign someone like Shaq to be the 5th big
4. (God forbid) Blair will be traded in a package to acquire a legit small forward

yeah, I don't think they'll be carrying all 5 either. I hope it's Dyess retiring, would prefer to keep Splitter and Blair, and Ian too. but If we can get something for Splitter, that would be all right too I suppose.

baseline bum

07-09-2010, 03:57 PM

Awesome, so now you're pimping the "small ball" idea that gets killed in here on a regular basis?

And Mason hasn't hit a clutch shot in a year and a half. In fact, I think his last clutch shot was his last made shot.

Bonner is small ball too.

picnroll

07-09-2010, 03:57 PM

Bonner is a good positional defender. He knows where to be and is very rarely in the wrong spot. Obviously other things like his lateral speed and lack of strength in the post cause problems. Still a better defender than Mason is.

My grandmother can shoot over Bonner in the post.

Dr. Gonzo

07-09-2010, 03:58 PM

If you disagree with the direction of your favorite team the only action a real fan has is to limit what he willing to spend on that team. Casual fans don't care and neither do bandwagon fans. True fanatics are trade away from being on lockdown suicide watch.

Glad you cleared that up. Here I was thinking real fanatics would dish out money on season tickets no matter what, to see their favorite team.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 03:58 PM

Bonner is small ball too.

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 03:58 PM

Absolutely gross

Dr. Gonzo

07-09-2010, 03:58 PM

ill rather pay ian that money f bonner hes a p****

Ian can't get breathed on without breaking something and Bonner is the pussy?

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 03:59 PM

I see at least one problem with that statement.

Would you like to share? because they're is no way in hell Mason was ever a better defender than Bonner. Mason was trash. They are both unimpressive but Ill take Bonner everyday of the week over that piece of garbage Mason. At least Bonner shows up in the regular season. Mason doesn't do shit and then people blame it on pops "pg experiment" which somehow made mason forget how to shoot the ball.

vander

07-09-2010, 03:59 PM

our big 3 are half the players they once were and are making 2x the money, yet THIS is what pushes ST posters over the edge :lmao:lmao:lmao

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:00 PM

This is so fucking sad... this is the 'big man' we just re-signed:

Matt Bonner: career 3.5 rpg
Tony Parker: career 3.1 rpg

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:00 PM

The new contract is expected to exceed the annual salary of $3.2 million he earned last season.

:lmao Our front office just went from hero (post-draft) to zero. What did they see in the Phoenix series that warranted him getting anything more than the minimum?

Hell, even if Tiago isn't coming, spend the MLE on a guy like Mathews.

F this :td

AFBlue

07-09-2010, 04:01 PM

This is the worst cop out that has been here since Horry retired.

Did DRob provide spacing with his 3 point shot?
Did Rasho provide spacing with his 3 point shot?
Did Nazr provide spacing with his 3 point shot?

The system is not built exclusively with the 4 providing spacing.

Like it or not, it's a role the Spurs consider important.

RC Buford said on draft night when getting Ryan Richards..."the stretch 4 is big for us".

Whether it was as important to them in the past or not, it seems to be something they look for now. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:01 PM

My grandmother can shoot over Bonner in the post.

wow, then she could probably shoot over TD in the post as well :downspin:

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 04:01 PM

This is so fucking sad... this is the 'big man' we just re-signed:

Matt Bonner: career 3.5 rpg
Tony Parker: career 3.1 rpg

:lol

spursfan1000

07-09-2010, 04:02 PM

LMAO spurs.

tp2021

07-09-2010, 04:03 PM

Now all they have to do is S&T Matt and RJ for a basketball player.
What a great offseason this is turning out to be.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:03 PM

Whether it was as important to them in the past or not, it seems to be something they look for now. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

Then take a fucking gamble with Richard, because Bonner has undeniable proven that he cannot hit a shot when it matters, and what follows is the other team inviting him to shoot and miss.

bigzak25

07-09-2010, 04:03 PM

Pssst, Bonner is not only the 5th big, (Hopefully 6th option if a FA Vet is added)

He is now the 1st SF. At least currently.

It's a bit more insurance in case Jefferson gets a better offer or if the right guy isn't there for the LLE.

bigzak25

07-09-2010, 04:03 PM

:toast

200 miles

07-09-2010, 04:03 PM

Like it or not, it's a role the Spurs consider important.

RC Buford said on draft night when getting Ryan Richards..."the stretch 4 is big for us".

Whether it was as important to them in the past or not, it seems to be something they look for now. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

well then sign richards over here then, rc
Not that red-headed nobody piece of shit Bonner!!

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:04 PM

Not to mention we could have had Richards for the rookie scale...

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:04 PM

Ah the typical reactions from the typical moons :lmao

Damn you're dumb.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:05 PM

This is so fucking sad... this is the 'big man' we just re-signed:

Matt Bonner: career 3.5 rpg
Tony Parker: career 3.1 rpg

:lol yeah Bonner's out there for rebounding, like TP is out there to create for other players and rack up assists :lol:lol

Supergirl

07-09-2010, 04:05 PM

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=587d54f6-bb06-4a60-8fc0-85c828bf54fd&headline=Concord%27s+Bonner+re-ups+with+the+Spurs

"The past four seasons, Bonner established himself as more than a 3-point shooting specialist with San Antonio. Player efficiency and plus-minus ratios have shown the Spurs tend to operate more productively with Bonner on the court.

In six NBA seasons, he has averaged 6.7 points and 3.5 rebounds per game. Bonner ranks as the 16th-best 3-point shooter in NBA history, his .405 percentage tying him with Brent Barry and Mike Miller."

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:05 PM

This is got damn horrible news. Bonner is a decent signing for LLE money. Four years and $14M or whatever the F is just stupid. He's a proven choker who should be a fifth bigman this season.

Ungotdamnbelievable :pctoss

Scary thought: this means Tiago ain't coming.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:05 PM

:lol yeah Bonner's out there for rebounding, like TP is out there to create for other players and rack up assists :lol:lol

The only ones laughing are Gasol/Bynum/Odom... he's our PF.. at least defensively...

Brazil

07-09-2010, 04:06 PM

i knew it ah ah ah goodbye Ian the savior

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:06 PM

By the way, you are all fools if you think they are paying this for the 'fifth' big.

This means Pop and RC are sold on the Anti-Horry being a rotation big for us (probably the first one off the bench).

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:07 PM

4down

07-09-2010, 04:07 PM

Would you like to share? because they're is no way in hell Mason was ever a better defender than Bonner. Mason was trash. They are both unimpressive but Ill take Bonner everyday of the week over that piece of garbage Mason. At least Bonner shows up in the regular season. Mason doesn't do shit and then people blame it on pops "pg experiment" which somehow made mason forget how to shoot the ball.

Absolutely, and we're not that far off. The problem is that Mason is a terrible defender so saying Matt is better amounts to saying horseshit is better than dogshit. At least as far as defense is concerned. I like matty. I even liked Mase. The problem is shitty defenders who can't shoot have no place on the roster if you're serious about trying to contend.

I wonder - how long before the Spurs can trade Bonner???

spursfan1000

07-09-2010, 04:07 PM

This is so fucking sad... this is the 'big man' we just re-signed:

Matt Bonner: career 3.5 rpg
Tony Parker: career 3.1 rpg

Well this could be because of MPG?

baseline bum

07-09-2010, 04:07 PM

The only ones laughing are Gasol/Bynum/Odom... he's our PF.. at least defensively...

I'm laughing. Matt Bonner gets a four year deal for $14M-$16M. You just can't make this kind of shit up.

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:07 PM

For the vet min I said I'd be ok with it.

Nothing I can do about it so I'm not gonna let it ruin my day off season or fandom as it does to these wahoos.

Death, taxes, and TPark schlobbing the front office knob for overvaluing marginal Spurs organization end of bench fodder.

Warlord23

07-09-2010, 04:08 PM

I don't know what's worse ... that the Spurs want to persist with Matt Bonner as the 3rd big on this team after his spectacular playoff failure, or that I'm having to read TPark's asinine posts and bigzak's bipolar drivel claiming that this is a good thing.

Matt Bonner is at best the 5th big on a contending team. Paying him 14 million is confirmation that he will see meaningful minutes and get outplayed by every opposing big in the playoffs. I'd rather the Spurs rebuild than go through this shit for one more season.

200 miles

07-09-2010, 04:08 PM

Not to mention we could have had Richards for the rookie scale...

So the Spurs choose the direction of the "double whammy" and not the direction of the..."double happiness"?

SpursChampsIII

07-09-2010, 04:09 PM

Without reading through every single post, does signing Bonner tie up ANY of the money for the MLE?

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:09 PM

Well this could be because of MPG?

He averages 18mpg. 3.5 rebounds in nearly 20 mins.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:10 PM

The only ones laughing are Gasol/Bynum/Odom... he's our PF.. at least defensively...

you want Bonner to be as good as any of those? :lol:lol:lol

how much does the least of them make? 12 mill?

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:11 PM

you want Bonner to be as good as any of those?

No silly, I want him to be able to guard any of those, since he's going to be getting the minutes on the floor against them.

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:12 PM

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:13 PM

you want Bonner to be as good as any of those? :lol:lol:lol

how much does the least of them make? 12 mill?

You think at 4 million a year Bonner won't be asked to guard them? Wake up.

SpursTillTheEnd

07-09-2010, 04:14 PM

Imagine if Tiago doesn't come over because the Spurs wouldn't pony up the MLE for him.

That means they will have passed on having Splitter and Scola next to Tim in the front court and given Bonner $22 million to be Tim's front court wing man :rolleyes

If I were Tim I'd demand a trade.

to miami? but yea if bonner is the reason we lost out on scola and splitter
:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang :bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 04:14 PM

The thing that scares me is bonner has no upside and does not help the spurs win now. If they are willing to give him a long term deal when they have to rebuild in a year or two, then I can see them bringing rj back.

Supergirl

07-09-2010, 04:15 PM

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:15 PM

Disagree about the skill-set being detrimental. The success of Pop's offensive system is heavily reliant on spacing. I mean, how many times did we say that RJ absolutely killed the Spurs because he wasn't in the right place or couldn't make the shots when he was in the right place. Bonner provides the spacing for Tim, Tony and Manu to operate in the paint. And he converts on a greater majority of those shots than any other Spur.

Am I thrilled about his performance in playoff situations...no it kills me. But, don't delude yourself into thinking the Spurs would fill out a roster without having that skill-set included. So, if not Bonner then who for the money they had available?

How many threes did DRob shoot? Will Perdue? Kevin Willis? Rasho? Nazr?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Gooshie

07-09-2010, 04:16 PM

Without reading through every single post, does signing Bonner tie up ANY of the money for the MLE?

No, since he has played for the Spurs for more than 3 years or more, we have his "Bird rights." However.....

.... this might preclude us from using our LLE because once we use our full MLE, we might be in Luxury Tax territory.

tuncaboylu

07-09-2010, 04:16 PM

Brazil

07-09-2010, 04:16 PM

don't panic guys, I see what Pop is doing, he will play Matt SF ! ah ah ah no need of a solid SF we have bonner !!!!

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-09-2010, 04:18 PM

A good move by Spurs.
The Spurs would not be able to find a player who can shoot 40% from three for the vet minimum. Bonner would be able to do that. He also plays hard and tries on defense. Although he is atrocious at defense, the Spurs should still bring him back. Despite his choke job in the past 2 playoffs, he is still very helpful to the Spurs.

Please, Spurs, give Matt Bonner another chance.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158112

Good lord. 40% in the regular season. We all know he's been 0-for-choke in the playoffs. That's the only metric that matters. Stupid noobs.

Muser

07-09-2010, 04:19 PM

If the Spurs don't sign Tiago now then ST is gonna have the biggest meltdown ever :lmao

Blackjack

07-09-2010, 04:19 PM

Spacing in the front court has become a 4-letter term.

Dro210

07-09-2010, 04:19 PM

Please tell me this is a bad joke..... Please

ace3g

07-09-2010, 04:20 PM

Bonner re-ups with Spurs
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2010/07/bonner-re-ups-w.html

Dro210

07-09-2010, 04:20 PM

If the Spurs don't sign Tiago now then ST is gonna have the biggest meltdown ever :lmao

rightfully so this time

Texas_Ranger

07-09-2010, 04:20 PM

Bonner stretches the other team's defense with his 3 pt shooting. That's why he's important. We're not likely to find a better 3 pt shooting big man who is available. He's also highly coachable, and hence has gotten BETTER on defense since being in SA, but that's not really why he's there. The deficits people highlight (Interior defense and rebounding) are not what Bonner was signed for. The hope is that Splitter will solve these deficits, but obviously that's an unknown - even if he is signed, and I think he will be, we won't know how good he will/can be until he plays.

I think Ian is probably gone. He's proven himself to be injury prone and not a fast enough learner.

McDyess is a good rebounder and defender, but he's older and slower than a lot of guys he's asked to defend. So I expect a third C to be the Spurs top priority - probably Splitter.

Who gives a fuck about his 3 point shooting. The guy's a pussy in the playoffs, so you don't give him 15 mil/4 year deal. Do the Lakers need Pau to shoot trees. NO. Do other great teams need a PF/C who can shoot trees. NO.
So fuck Matt Bonner!!!

vander

07-09-2010, 04:20 PM

the role players for the Lakers

Artest shot under 40% in the playoffs, under 30% from 3
S Brown too
Walton was terrible
Odom and Bynum played far below their salaries

But the Lakers overcame, why? because you go as far as your star players take you.

yet stupid ST posters think it's all because of Bonner and Jefferson and not having Bowen anymore :lol:lol:lol

we can't win because of the Big 3, resigning Bonner, not resigning Bonner, Splitter, no Splitter, it doesn't fucking matter!

at least Regular Season Hero Bonner will add a couple games to the win column.

ace3g

07-09-2010, 04:20 PM

this move better be part of a trade, Bonner isn't useful for 1 year let alone 4 years

picnroll

07-09-2010, 04:21 PM

Look Bonner souks ass and I'm tired of the turkey coming in and in less than a minute single handily blowing a lead or putting the Spurs in the hole. If Spurs sign Bonner to a long term contract plus screw up the Tiago signing I'm taking a vacation from the Spurs until there's a new coach and new FO.

peacemaker885

07-09-2010, 04:21 PM

So much Bonner hatred. I'm pretty sure its not only Pop, RC or Holt that decides who gets signed or re-signed. Tony, Manu and of course Tim have to be OK with this also. If its all good for them, who interact on a daily basis, then its good for me.

spurs_fan_in_exile

07-09-2010, 04:23 PM

I'm late to the party. For now I'm just going to take some deep breaths and wait until the end of the summer before final judgment. We'll see if this is just a bad contract in a summer full of horrible ones or just flat out fucking terrible for the team.

Amuseddaysleeper

07-09-2010, 04:23 PM

Bonner stretches the other team's defense with his 3 pt shooting. That's why he's important. We're not likely to find a better 3 pt shooting big man who is available. He's also highly coachable, and hence has gotten BETTER on defense since being in SA, but that's not really why he's there. The deficits people highlight (Interior defense and rebounding) are not what Bonner was signed for. The hope is that Splitter will solve these deficits, but obviously that's an unknown - even if he is signed, and I think he will be, we won't know how good he will/can be until he plays.

I think Ian is probably gone. He's proven himself to be injury prone and not a fast enough learner.

McDyess is a good rebounder and defender, but he's older and slower than a lot of guys he's asked to defend. So I expect a third C to be the Spurs top priority - probably Splitter.

No no no no no! He doesn't do jack shit for spreading the floor. You may as well have had Ian Mahinmi chucking 3's out there with the amount of respect Bonner draws from opposing defenses on the floor. He is an absolute choker and a horrible horrible basketball player. His shot ALWAYS disappears come playoff time. It's not even like he shoots from 40% to 35% come playoff time, he effing shoots 8% in the playoffs!!

This is an even crappier decision than extending RJ. If the Spurs fail to land Tiago this summer I promise you the Spurs will not make the playoffs next year, Parker will leave, and SA will rot in obscurity.

Fuck this shit

vander

07-09-2010, 04:23 PM

You think at 4 million a year Bonner won't be asked to guard them? Wake up.

Spurs being thrifty is a separate matter, Bonner's as good as anyone else they could have gotten for 4 mil per

The Truth #6

07-09-2010, 04:25 PM

Damn it's getting cold in here. Someone shut the window.

Dro210

07-09-2010, 04:26 PM

Spurs being thrifty is a separate matter, Bonner's as good as anyone else they could have gotten for 4 mil per

Yea right, Bonner may be a good guy and all, but Bonners not worth a fuckin cent on a winning basketball team.

Agloco

07-09-2010, 04:27 PM

The good thing now is that Spurs fans won't have to burn their Bonner jerseys a la Cleveland Cavaliers fans when LeBron James decided to join the Miami Heat.

They sell those? :lol

baseline bum

07-09-2010, 04:27 PM

Agloco

07-09-2010, 04:27 PM

Spurs being thrifty is a separate matter, Bonner's as good as anyone else they could have gotten for 4 mil per

Yeah yeah.....and RJ is as good as they can get at SF. Shows how screwed the Spurs really are.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:28 PM

No silly, I want him to be able to guard any of those, since he's going to be getting the minutes on the floor against them.

why does Bonner have to guard them well but not TD? TD makes 20 mill and gets schooled by Gasol, yet you cry about Bonner? you think Blair's going to be able to guard any of them? Splitter?

no, Lakers go out and get better and more expensive players, don't turn the Spurs' thriftyness into a Bonner personal failure

what player out there is going to be able to guard Gasol well for 4 mill a year?

Agloco

07-09-2010, 04:29 PM

Damn it's getting cold in here. Someone shut the window.

<Hands Matt Bonner a pen to sign his new "Contract">

Done.

objective

07-09-2010, 04:30 PM

This is a disgrace.

I'm not spending money on the Spurs for the duration of his time with the team. Which will be four years because nobody will want to trade for a choking minutes-stealer.

Agloco

07-09-2010, 04:31 PM

why does Bonner have to guard them well but not TD? TD makes 20 mill and gets schooled by Gasol, yet you cry about Bonner? you think Blair's going to be able to guard any of them? Splitter?

no, Lakers go out and get better and more expensive players, don't turn the Spurs' thriftyness into a Bonner personal failure

what player out there is going to be able to guard Gasol well for 4 mill a year?

Bonner is a choker and he sucks. No amount of nuthugging or knobslobbing on your part will change that.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:33 PM

Artest's defense on Pierce was the main reason LA won that series. Did you even watch it?

:lol sure it was, and Pierce is all the Celts have too, stop him and you stop the Celts.

and defending one guy well in one series makes him a success? where's that leniency on Bonner? maybe if we had gotten that far Bonner would have finally started hitting 3's.

"main reason" :lmao

vander

07-09-2010, 04:35 PM

Bonner is a choker and he sucks. No amount of nuthugging or knobslobbing on your part will change that.

the Big three are washed up and overpaid and we won't win another championship with them, no amount of crying, Bonner bashing, or whatever you and nono and baseline are doing will change that

baseline bum

07-09-2010, 04:36 PM

:lol sure it was, and Pierce is all the Celts have too, stop him and you stop the Celts.

and defending one guy well in one series makes him a success? where's that leniency on Bonner? maybe if we had gotten that far Bonner would have finally started hitting 3's.

"main reason" :lmao

Weren't you one of the fans who said you weren't watching the Finals?

ElNono

07-09-2010, 04:36 PM

the Big three are washed up and overpaid and we won't win another championship with them, no amount of crying, Bonner bashing, or whatever you and nono and baseline are doing will change that

Then why throw stupid money at him if we're done? Just sign up a few rooks for the min and start rebuilding...

angelbelow

07-09-2010, 04:38 PM

Spurs being thrifty is a separate matter, Bonner's as good as anyone else they could have gotten for 4 mil per

so you think bonners value is worth 4 million on the market? i think hes a scrub that should maybe get a little bit more than a player like brian cook (2 years 2.5 mil). Bonner probably deserves 2 years 4 million.

angelbelow

07-09-2010, 04:40 PM

the Big three are washed up and overpaid and we won't win another championship with them, no amount of crying, Bonner bashing, or whatever you and nono and baseline are doing will change that

Im not bashing bonner. im questioning the reason behind giving this guy a raise when hes probably not gonna play that much and how does helps our cap space in the future when we do try and rebuild.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:42 PM

Weren't you one of the fans who said you weren't watching the Finals?

I didn't,

and Artest still sucked

if he was ginger and on the spurs you'd be giving him the Bonner treatment

InK

07-09-2010, 04:43 PM

Dont mind keeping Bonner, but cmon dont give his ass a raise. Thats just crap.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:44 PM

Im not bashing bonner. im questioning the reason behind giving this guy a raise when hes probably not gonna play that much and how does helps our cap space in the future when we do try and rebuild.

Spurs have no plans to rebuild, that was apparent when they resigned Manu

Spurs FO happy to be a first-round-exit team for the rest of TD's career

Dro210

07-09-2010, 04:44 PM

the Big three are washed up and overpaid and we won't win another championship with them, no amount of crying, Bonner bashing, or whatever you and nono and baseline are doing will change that

Tony Parker isn't even 30 years old. Manu was the 3rd best SG in the league 2nd half of last year, and Tim Duncan is the fuckin GOAT..... you bash them to justify a 4 year Bonner contract... lol, fuck off.

baseline bum

07-09-2010, 04:50 PM

I didn't,

and Artest still sucked

if he was ginger and on the spurs you'd be giving him the Bonner treatment

So you have no clue then. Artest brought Boston's halfcourt offense to a standstill when Pierce couldn't get past him. Half of Boston's halfcourt possessions would play out like

- Rondo brings the ball up the court, passes to Pierce
- Pierce holds it, tries to get past Artest, fails, has to turn around to protect the ball, dumps it back to Rondo and calls for the ball again.
- Pierce gets it back, tries to get past Artest, fails, forces a desperation jumper with the shot clock running down

But hey, you checked the box score.

Spurs Brazil

07-09-2010, 04:50 PM

Late again EN...:lol

Bonner re-ups with Spurs
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 9, 10 03:34 PM | Permalink | Comments (11) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark Twitter
Matt Bonner has agreed to a four-year deal to return to the Spurs.

"The whole time, I wanted to come back to San Antonio," Bonner said this afternoon from Derry, N.H., where he was running his annual basketball camp. "It's where my daughter was born. I have a lot of connection there. I'm excited to be back."

Complete terms of the agreement were not immediately available. Kenny Grant, Bonner's agent, said the deal is likely to be finalized over the weekend.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:52 PM

Tony Parker isn't even 30 years old. Manu was the 3rd best SG in the league 2nd half of last year, and Tim Duncan is the fuckin GOAT.....

anecdotal, all anecdotal, time to accept reality

Dro210

07-09-2010, 04:54 PM

anecdotal, all anecdotal, time to accept reality

Bullshit....

This from a guy with a Bonner sig... no wonder.

vander

07-09-2010, 04:55 PM

So you have no clue then. Artest brought Boston's halfcourt offense to a standstill when Pierce couldn't get past him. Half of Boston's halfcourt possessions would play out like

- Rondo brings the ball up the court, passes to Pierce
- Pierce holds it, tries to get past Artest, fails, has to turn around to protect the ball, dumps it back to Rondo and calls for the ball again.
- Pierce gets it back, tries to get past Artest, fails, forces a desperation jumper with the shot clock running down

But hey, you checked the box score.

right, you watched the finals, so whatever you choose to say about it or the players involved is automatically true.

Artest = playoffs MVP because BB watched the finals

baseline bum

07-09-2010, 04:56 PM

right, you watched the finals, so whatever you choose to say about it or the players involved is automatically true.

Artest = playoffs MVP because BB watched the finals

You didn't watch a second of it and you're trying to give Finals analysis? :lol

spursfan1000

07-09-2010, 04:57 PM

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Dro210

07-09-2010, 04:57 PM

Vander, you should take the rest of the day off bro... You're goin all Dan Gilbert on us

wut

07-09-2010, 04:59 PM

I think Bonner is capable of shooting a better percentage for 3 than he did this past season; he broke his hand right when he was starting to get hot.

He added depth to his game, and is capable of driving and taking jump shots. While he clearly isn't going to go in the game and stop anyone; he is a solid bench player that adds depth to the Spurs lineup.

I really don't get all the hate.

tuncaboylu

07-09-2010, 04:59 PM

Agloco

07-09-2010, 05:00 PM

]the Big three are washed up and overpaid and we won't win another championship with them, no amount of crying, Bonner bashing, or whatever you and nono and baseline are doing will change that

Spurs have no plans to rebuild, that was apparent when they resigned Manu

Spurs FO happy to be a first-round-exit team for the rest of TD's career

Ahhh yes, we've come to the heart of the matter now haven't we?

Perhaps you've forgotten the entire reason for the off season moves that were made last year. The idea was to win another championship while Timmy was still here. Rebuilding doesn't accomplish that. You fail.

galvatron3000

07-09-2010, 05:02 PM

Anyone thinking keeping Bonner longer after th last two seasons hasn't been paying attention or seriously is not about the Spurs winning another Championship before Tim retires. We tried it and it doesn't work, and I'm not for him on the bench either, time to groom someone else at best or at least just go in another direction at worst, he would serve someone else better than the Spurs at this point.

vander

07-09-2010, 05:03 PM

Bullshit....

This from a guy with a Bonner sig... no wonder.

TP is under 30: so? did you see those PGs run circles around him in the playoffs? did you see him beating ANYONE off the dribble in the playoffs? dude had his run, TD made him look better than he was, he's never had great PG skills, just quickness and layup skills, and he no longer has quickness.

Duncan is GOAT: so? where has that gotten him recently?

Manu was 3rd best for short time: so? he wasn't 3rd best when it mattered, and he can't get to the rim against playoff defense, he's basically Brent Barry from here on out

vander

07-09-2010, 05:04 PM

Ahhh yes, we've come to the heart of the matter now haven't we?

Perhaps you've forgotten the entire reason for the off season moves that were made last year. The idea was to win another championship while Timmy was still here. Rebuilding doesn't accomplish that. You fail.

seems to me that the Spurs failed, and are going to keep failing

Agloco

07-09-2010, 05:05 PM

Without reading through every single post, does signing Bonner tie up ANY of the money for the MLE?

No.

siraulo23

07-09-2010, 05:06 PM

hey guys its no so bad, bonner spreads the floor in the regular season which makes life easier for duncan to work inside and regular season wins get you into the playoffs

hey there was an improvement from the 09' series vs the mavs and the this year's playoffs, hopefully thats a sign

:depressed

vander

07-09-2010, 05:06 PM

You didn't watch a second of it and you're trying to give Finals analysis? :lol

nope, role player analysis

Agloco

07-09-2010, 05:09 PM

seems to me that the Spurs failed, and are going to keep failing

With mister "O fer Infinity" sitting on the bench during the playoffs, I don't even need my crystal ball to confirm your suspicions. But hey, let's not let that inconvenient fact ruin our block party for Bonner's resigning.

benefactor

07-09-2010, 05:10 PM

"He spreads the floor."
"He will only play 10mpg."

Wake the hell up. This signing officially etches the closing tombstone date on championship level Spurs defense.

vander

07-09-2010, 05:11 PM

With mister "O fer Infinity" sitting on the bench during the playoffs, I don't even need my crystal ball to confirm your suspicions. But hey, let's not let that inconvenient fact ruin our block party for Bonner's resigning.

:lol

yep, but without bonner we had a chance :lol:lol

also, I stated already in this thread that I would have preferred Bonner sign elsewhere

Obstructed_View

07-09-2010, 05:11 PM

What a bargain for the first big off the bench. Can't wait to see him defending starters in the post for another four years.

slick'81

07-09-2010, 05:16 PM

jesus christ 4 years might as well be a life time :(

vander

07-09-2010, 05:18 PM

"He spreads the floor."
"He will only play 10mpg."

Wake the hell up. This signing officially etches the closing tombstone date on championship level Spurs defense.

yet another melting down "all star" who actually thinks Bonner effects our championship chances :lmao:lmao:lmao

underdawg

07-09-2010, 05:19 PM

:lol

yep, but without bonner we had a chance :lol:lol

also, I stated already in this thread that I would have preferred Bonner sign elsewhere

so, you've mailed it in too? why defend T-rex then?

I had a slight bit of hope for this season with Spitter coming in, but this is a waste of a roster spot for a player that will get significant playing time.

Agloco

07-09-2010, 05:21 PM

:lol

yep, but without bonner we had a chance :lol:lol

also, I stated already in this thread that I would have preferred Bonner sign elsewhere

It starts with him because he's usually the first big off the bench. Plug in a decent big who plays a lick of defense and blocks shots and the Spurs have a shot. Bonner amounted to absolutely nothing in the playoffs.

Rest assured, he's gonna develop another fine case of blueball once the playoffs roll around.

benefactor

07-09-2010, 05:21 PM

yet another melting down "all star" who actually thinks Bonner effects our championship chances :lmao:lmao:lmao
If he makes as much as reported he will play rotation minutes. That affects championship chances.

ploto

07-09-2010, 05:21 PM

Why would you tie up four more years with Matt Bonner??

tuncaboylu

07-09-2010, 05:23 PM

Why would you tie up four more years with Matt Bonner??

Because his game is improving year by year :lol

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:23 PM

Same reason people sign Kleiza.

Agloco

07-09-2010, 05:23 PM

jesus christ 4 years might as well be a life time :(

---Signed Manu Ginobili and Timothy Duncan.

rayray2k8

07-09-2010, 05:23 PM

I honestly don't care since Blair and Splitter will end up eating up his minutes.

slick'81

07-09-2010, 05:23 PM

Why would you tie up four more years with Matt Bonner??

that is the million dollar question he has absolutely sucked balls in the postseason when the spurs need him most yet every time he gets resigned first 3 years now 4 whats the fascination with this 6/9 hack who cant board defend or hit a three to save his life when it counts??

tomtom

07-09-2010, 05:24 PM

LMAO 4 years

ploto

07-09-2010, 05:24 PM

Now if we can just lock in Jefferson for 4 more years, we'll be all set.

angelbelow

07-09-2010, 05:25 PM

I honestly don't care since Blair and Splitter will end up eating up his minutes.

Its not that simple - I see his contract eventually becoming a problem as well. Its like with RJ, people didnt like him because he was overpaid, at a more reasonable contract he could be a good addition.

Magdalena M

07-09-2010, 05:25 PM

I was just looking at a Miami Heat website and there's a lot of chatter there about Bonner resigning.... and to be honest, or so it seemed to me, a lot of fear, too.

Bruno

07-09-2010, 05:26 PM

BTW, while I don't like Spurs re-signing Bonner, especially for that kind of money/length, I'm happy for him. Bonner is one of the most likable personality in the NBA. When you see how Lebron has acted yesterday, it's good to see that all that NBA money can also go to nice guys.

If the rumor about Splitter is confirmed, Spurs have finished their shopping for their frontcourt. Duncan, Splitter, Blair, McDyess and Bonner is a depth front court with some quality. I guess Ryan Richards will also be added and send to Austin.

Next step: filling the SF spot.

galvatron3000

07-09-2010, 05:26 PM

I'd rather have Shaq, man I sure hope a trade is in the works

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:27 PM

What is worse:

Kleiza + Amir = 54M

or

Bonner + RJ = 50M

That is tough.

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:28 PM

vander

07-09-2010, 05:28 PM

It starts with him because he's usually the first big off the bench. Plug in a decent big who plays a lick of defense and blocks shots and the Spurs have a shot. Bonner amounted to absolutely nothing in the playoffs.

Rest assured, he's gonna develop another fine case of blueball once the playoffs roll around.

If he makes as much as reported he will play rotation minutes. That affects championship chances.

but our chances were 0.00% before we signed Bonner, so what's the problem?

Spurs have chosen (by not trading Manu and TP) to just be competitive for the rest of TD's career, rather than actually rebuilding while we have/had some pieces to trade.

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:30 PM

Question 1: Who else would have offered Bonner this money?

Question 2: Does it make sense to pay your 5th big 4M per year?

Question 3: How many minutes does Bonner see next year?

slick'81

07-09-2010, 05:31 PM

how much money did that asshat bonner get??

Texas_Ranger

07-09-2010, 05:32 PM

Question 1: Who else would have offered Bonner this money?

Question 2: Does it make sense to pay your 5th big 4M per year?

Question 3: How many minutes does Bonner see next year?

1. No one

2. No

3. Pop likes his floor spreading, so I'd say 20. :downspin:

Mel_13

07-09-2010, 05:32 PM

Question 1: Who else would have offered Bonner this money?

Question 2: Does it make sense to pay your 5th big 4M per year?

Question 3: How many minutes does Bonner see next year?

1. Few, if any

2. No

3. Too many

Bruno

07-09-2010, 05:32 PM

How would you feel if the Spurs signed RJ & Bonner to 4+ year deals?

I didn't even want that Spurs re-sign Bonner for the min.
We will see what is Bonner exact contract. Maybe it isn't as bad as it seems.

slick'81

07-09-2010, 05:33 PM

bonner for 4mil you have got to be fucking kidding really spurs really?!

Spurs Brazil

07-09-2010, 05:34 PM

I didn't even want that Spurs re-sign Bonner for the min.
We will see what is Bonner exact contract. Maybe it isn't as bad as it seems.

I hope it's Haislip part 2. First report was LLE and it was just a minimum deal

Bruno

07-09-2010, 05:34 PM

Bonner getting $4M per year is a speculation. It could be slightly less. Nobody knows for the moment.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 05:35 PM

how much money did that asshat bonner get??

bonner for 4mil you have got to be fucking kidding really spurs really?!

This is gold. :lmao

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:35 PM

It is not the amount that bothers me, although I did not want him or RJ back for anything, it is the years. Makes me want to spit.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 05:36 PM

The report said he was getting a raise from his 3.2 mill last season. Could easily be 3.3 million, or the report could be wrong.

vander

07-09-2010, 05:37 PM

now with Splitter supposedly coming over, this makes even less sense, so is Dyess retiring? or are the Spurs trading Blair for someone older?

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:37 PM

It just makes such little sense. Why pay Bonner. He is going to be your 5th big (or should be) and you could have plucked someone from the D-Leauge with a similar skill set for so much cheaper. At least they would have upside.

Bruno

07-09-2010, 05:39 PM

I hope it's Haislip part 2. First report was LLE and it was just a minimum deal

Exactly, you had to be careful as long the details deals aren't fully known. The 4th year could be a team option or a non-guaranteed one, the yearly salary is unknown and could even be lower than $3.2M.

Wait and see...

Agloco

07-09-2010, 05:39 PM

Spurs have chosen (by not trading Manu and TP) to just be competitive for the rest of TD's career, rather than actually rebuilding while we have/had some pieces to trade.

And that's exactly my point. You're butthurt over the fact that the Spurs didn't blow things up a few years back. We get it. Move along.

Mark in Austin

07-09-2010, 05:39 PM

The Spurs don't need a soft PF who is a one-trick pony who forgets his trick when the games start to matter. They need bigs who can rebound, defend, and get high percentage looks inside. That skillset of Bonner's is hugely detrimental to the success of the Spurs. It worked with Horry because he was also a phenomenal defensive player with a basketball IQ that was off the charts.

Have to agree with this. Still wouldn't be opposed to him at LLE money, but at 4 million per year? That's just awful. I wonder if it was Lindsey who negotiated the deal...

Seventyniner

07-09-2010, 05:39 PM

What if the contract is something like 3.5 every year with the last year unguaranteed? Then it's really just 3/10.5, which is still too much, but not completely absurd.

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:40 PM

I would rather have a high energy guy like Tolliver back as a 5th big.

slick'81

07-09-2010, 05:41 PM

What if the contract is something like 3.5 every year with the last year unguaranteed? Then it's really just 3/10.5, which is still too much, but not completely absurd.

anything more than what he got last season is absurd we all know what matt bonner is by now

Agloco

07-09-2010, 05:42 PM

now with Splitter supposedly coming over, this makes even less sense, so is Dyess retiring? or are the Spurs trading Blair for someone older?

Or perhaps packaging the two for an upgrade. I don't really see them parting with McDyess unless he goes to a winner. I don't think they'd sell him down the river like that.

slick'81

07-09-2010, 05:42 PM

I would rather have a high energy guy like Tolliver back as a 5th big.

that would be a dream and to think we had him at one time sure he stunk it up but looks to be light years ahead of bonner now

vander

07-09-2010, 05:43 PM

And that's exactly my point. You're butthurt over the fact that the Spurs didn't blow things up a few years back. We get it. Move along.

no, you are needlessly "butthurt" over the Bonner signing.
once you(all) accept the reality of the situation, you will (all) realize there is no reason to get so emotional over this or any signing, it doesn't really make a difference.

rascal

07-09-2010, 05:44 PM

Bad move, like many bad moves the fo has made over the last 3 years.

rayray2k8

07-09-2010, 05:45 PM

no, you are needlessly "butthurt" over the Bonner signing.
once you accept the reality of the situation, you will realize there is no reason to get so emotional over this or any signing, it doesn't really make a difference.

Someone needs to play in Toronto on back-to-backs when timmy is resting. Might as well put this garbage out there.
Have him "stretch" the floor while Splitter owns in the paint.

Chomag

07-09-2010, 05:48 PM

NBA teams are loading up and this is our FO's first set of business.

Miami grabs lebron and Bosh but Spur counter with a Bonner signing, that's pretty fairly even right?

benefactor

07-09-2010, 05:49 PM

I would rather have a high energy guy like Tolliver back as a 5th big.
:tu

He'd have been a helluva a lot cheaper too.

slick'81

07-09-2010, 05:49 PM

[quote=Chomag;4491792]NBA teams are loading up and this is our FO's first set of business.

Miami grabs lebron and Bosh but Spur counter with a Bonner signing, that's pretty fairly even right?[/quote

its like they have to keep him basically because he was the guy the kept over scola

rmt

07-09-2010, 05:50 PM

You can't just say "Bonner... noooo!" without context. The real question is not the value of Matt Bonner, it's his value compared to the replacement you could get at that price. You also have to factor in the time and energy to get the replacement to learn the system and fit into the team's style and strategy.

You can't really get NBA-capable NBA-experienced non-disruptive non-head-case hard-working big men at a much lower price than this. Name me one and I'll shut up.

They had one on the Spurs last year named Theo Ratliff who signed for the veteran's minumum and who did a pretty good job for the Bobcats when he was traded.

This has got to be a nightmare. Bonner, the choke artist, for 4 more years and with a raise. From David Robinson to Matt Bonner. What a waste of Duncan's last 2 years.

Maybe I should become a Miami Heat fan seeing as I live in Miami. What is the FO thinking? I wonder if Splitter is not coming and they're desperate.

Jlowd21

07-09-2010, 05:52 PM

redonkulous

Chomag

07-09-2010, 05:54 PM

Yep, look at the bright side people. We get to watch him playoff choke at least 4 more times.

quentin_compson

07-09-2010, 06:05 PM

Question 1: Who else would have offered Bonner this money?

Legit question. Common sense would say no one, but you never know these days.

Drz

07-09-2010, 06:08 PM

Help me understand -- he only shot 27 threes in the playoffs and made 10 for a .370 %. Given the small sample size and the not unrespectable 3P%, why is everyone saying he's a playoff choke artist?

vander

07-09-2010, 06:12 PM

Help me understand -- he only shot 27 threes in the playoffs and made 10 for a .370 %. Given the small sample size and the not unrespectable 3P%, why is everyone saying he's a playoff choke artist?

can't blame the Big 3. they are gods

tuncaboylu

07-09-2010, 06:15 PM

Maybe I should become a Miami Heat fan seeing as I live in Miami. What is the FO thinking? I wonder if Splitter is not coming and they're desperate.

Splitter is coming.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158408

By the way if you want to be a Miami fan, no respect to you:)

tuncaboylu

07-09-2010, 06:17 PM

I still have a little hope that 4th year of his contract is not fully guaranteed at least.

AnthonyM

07-09-2010, 06:19 PM

spurs2112

07-09-2010, 06:25 PM

Wow resigned and with a raise. :(

O.J Mayo

07-09-2010, 06:29 PM

I called it. The Spurs needed Matt Bonner back. Kori closed my thread.

Drz

07-09-2010, 06:31 PM

You'd probably understand if you watched the games
I did.

Can anyone offer a real explanation? I'm new here. Maybe unintelligent trolling is just the way things are.

barbacoataco

07-09-2010, 06:35 PM

Marcus Bryant

07-09-2010, 06:36 PM

With Splitter, TD, McDyess, and Blair, Bonner should finally be in the proper role for him in the NBA, as the 5th big.

TD 21

07-09-2010, 06:42 PM

5th bigs don't sign 4 year deals for (presumably) $3.5 or $4 million.

Dex

07-09-2010, 06:44 PM

With Splitter, TD, McDyess, and Blair, Bonner should finally be in the proper role for him in the NBA, as the 5th big.

As long as Dice doesn't break down, I'd like to think you will be right. No reason for Bonner to be ahead of Tim, Tiago, or a sophmore Dejuan.

But Dice is only getting older, and Pop is only getting more senile.

underdawg

07-09-2010, 06:44 PM

I did.

Can anyone offer a real explanation? I'm new here. Maybe unintelligent trolling is just the way things are.

when that's all you bring to the table 37% isn't cutting it - see below

Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Playoffs
Conference Semi-Finals
May 09 vs. PHX2 L 101 - 107 30 5 - 6 2 - 3 2 - 2 1 2 3 0 0 0 3 3 14
May 07 vs. PHX2 L 96 - 110 19 4 - 6 3 - 4 0 - 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 11
May 05 @ PHX2 L 102 - 110 15 0 - 4 0 - 3 0 - 0 0 3 3 1 1 2 1 2 0
May 03 @ PHX2 L 102 - 111 13 1 - 2 0 - 1 0 - 0 1 2 3 0 0 0 1 0 2
First Round
Apr 29 vs. DAL1 W 97 - 87 12 2 - 4 0 - 1 0 - 0 1 6 7 1 0 0 1 4 4
Apr 27 @ DAL1 L 81 - 103 22 2 - 5 2 - 5 0 - 0 0 6 6 0 0 1 0 2 6
Apr 25 vs. DAL1 W 92 - 89 8 0 - 2 0 - 2 0 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Apr 23 vs. DAL1 W 94 - 90 15 0 - 3 0 - 1 0 - 0 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 2 0
Apr 21 @ DAL1 W 102 - 88 20 3 - 6 2 - 5 0 - 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 2 8
Apr 18 @ DAL1 L 94 - 100 19 2 - 6 1 - 2 0 - 0 2 2 4 1 0 0 0 4 5

he needs 70% to make up what he gives up doing this

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/hsJ2t_EkmG6/Los+Angeles+Lakers+v+San+Antonio+Spurs/w-yNrT7hGhV/Matt+Bonner

Drz

07-09-2010, 06:44 PM

What part of choker/defensive lightweight/soft in the lane do they not see?
This is just a guess, but maybe they use statistics to see how the team performs when he's in the lineup. Maybe, just maybe, they employ paid professionals to evaluate the performance of a team on a level that transcends your emotional evaluation of what you yell at the TV. Omg, I bet they even use Excel! With macros!!! :wow

As someone else said, once Duncan stopped drawing double teams down low, WHAT GOOD DOES A SPREAD 4 do us?
Have you seriously been watching basketball since 1989? It allows for easier penetration. What would generate more points, 3 on 3 or 100 on 100. Less players out there leads to a more efficient, higher scoring offense. See the NHL for a real-world example.

Ice009

07-09-2010, 06:47 PM

What the fuck.

Drz

07-09-2010, 06:48 PM

when that's all you bring to the table 37% isn't cutting it - see below

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he needs 70% to make up what he gives up doing this
Your picture's not loading, but I assume it's a picture of him playing bad D. Yes, his D is not good, but it's more than made up for by what he creates on offense. It just baffles me that so many basketball fans can be unaware of what he provides for the Spurs. Are there no statistics guys on this forum? Am I going to have to become that guy? I've perused that think tank forum, there are clearly a lot of intelligent people in there. I'd rather one of them come here to defend this signing than me have to put in the effort to do it.

Ice009

07-09-2010, 06:50 PM

I AM FUCKING PISSED OFF. FUCKING IDIOTS in the SPURS FO. They even fucking give him a raise.

YOU WON't FUCKING SIGN STEPHEN JACKSON for more than 3 million a season, but you FUCKING HAVE NO PROBLEM SIGNING MATT BONNER FOR MORE. What are these guys thinking? What happened to the if you don't perform in the playoffs then you are out???? Spurs are all about the playoffs, not regular season. WTF.

FUCKING, STUPID STUFF.

Then again that salary could be used in a trade, but who would take a long term Matt Bonner contract?

He is the confidence maker for anyone he guards. NBA players who are down on their confidence could pay Bonner to raise their games.

urunobili

07-09-2010, 06:59 PM

ha! it's starting to look i will not be buying the league pass this year... :wakeup

noles1983

07-09-2010, 06:59 PM

They resigned bonner to give handjobs during half time, that shit doesnt come cheap :nope

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 07:00 PM

Chieflion

07-09-2010, 07:02 PM

They resigned bonner to give handjobs during half time, that shit doesnt come cheap :nope

$250 per handjob. That shit is expensive for sure.

noles1983

07-09-2010, 07:07 PM

$250 per handjob. That shit is expensive for sure.

yup, evidently the reason for the raise was due to his sprewell speech he gave.

''Why would I want to help them win a title? They're not doing anything for me. I'm at risk. I have a lot of risk here. I got my family to feed.''

elbamba

07-09-2010, 07:13 PM

This deal makes no sense to me. Bonner does not deserve more than the league min. He does not make the Spurs better. I can't believe that we don't have the money to throw at someone like Ian but we can hand this guy 4 million.

I will always root for my Spurs, but they don't stand a chance if Bonner is getting serious minutes. He cannot help the Spurs defend teams like LA and he can't make them pay with his jumper as they can throw players like Odom on him to shut him down.

I am even tempted to not buy the NBA package this year just because I do not understand what the front office is doing. Of course, i will get it just because I have to but I will bitch and complain all year long.

barbacoataco

07-09-2010, 07:14 PM

This is just a guess, but maybe they use statistics to see how the team performs when he's in the lineup. Maybe, just maybe, they employ paid professionals to evaluate the performance of a team on a level that transcends your emotional evaluation of what you yell at the TV. Omg, I bet they even use Excel! With macros!!! :wow

Have you seriously been watching basketball since 1989? It allows for easier penetration. What would generate more points, 3 on 3 or 100 on 100. Less players out there leads to a more efficient, higher scoring offense. See the NHL for a real-world example.

Have the Spurs done sh#t since Bonner joined the team? I don't care how great his +/- is, anyone watching the games can see that he folds in high pressure situations.

SenorSpur

07-09-2010, 07:16 PM

I would've rather the Spurs taken their chances on Anthony Tolliver. Sure he's an unknown stretch 4, but he's a better passer than Bonner. Besides Bonner is a known playoff fuckup. Unless the Spurs are planning on using his contract in a trade package for a better player, there is absolutely "0" upside to retaining him.

I know he gets a bad rap on the board, and I realize he's a good guy. However, if the Spurs are truly serious about trying to field a team that can maximize its playoff possibilities in this final year's run, they cannot do so with a guy that has such a history of playoff failure - like Bonner. His post-season resume is indefensible.

4>0rings

07-09-2010, 07:19 PM

I hope to God he's insurance as a 5th big that sees no time on the court but we all know deep down inside Bonners going to be raining bricks, getting dunked on, holding up his hands and walking backwards as his defense, and jumping 3''s in the air for about 15-20 mpg.

Sigz

07-09-2010, 07:24 PM

Well, we might as well just skip next season. We have never won shit with Matt Bonner on this fucking team.

Un-fucking-believable

Birn

07-09-2010, 07:26 PM

when that's all you bring to the table 37% isn't cutting it - see below

Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Playoffs
Conference Semi-Finals
May 09 vs. PHX2 L 101 - 107 30 5 - 6 2 - 3 2 - 2 1 2 3 0 0 0 3 3 14
May 07 vs. PHX2 L 96 - 110 19 4 - 6 3 - 4 0 - 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 11
May 05 @ PHX2 L 102 - 110 15 0 - 4 0 - 3 0 - 0 0 3 3 1 1 2 1 2 0
May 03 @ PHX2 L 102 - 111 13 1 - 2 0 - 1 0 - 0 1 2 3 0 0 0 1 0 2
First Round
Apr 29 vs. DAL1 W 97 - 87 12 2 - 4 0 - 1 0 - 0 1 6 7 1 0 0 1 4 4
Apr 27 @ DAL1 L 81 - 103 22 2 - 5 2 - 5 0 - 0 0 6 6 0 0 1 0 2 6
Apr 25 vs. DAL1 W 92 - 89 8 0 - 2 0 - 2 0 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Apr 23 vs. DAL1 W 94 - 90 15 0 - 3 0 - 1 0 - 0 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 2 0
Apr 21 @ DAL1 W 102 - 88 20 3 - 6 2 - 5 0 - 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 2 8
Apr 18 @ DAL1 L 94 - 100 19 2 - 6 1 - 2 0 - 0 2 2 4 1 0 0 0 4 5

he needs 70% to make up what he gives up doing this

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/hsJ2t_EkmG6/Los+Angeles+Lakers+v+San+Antonio+Spurs/w-yNrT7hGhV/Matt+Bonner

The math shows that Bonner shot 38.5% in the playoffs. That's well above average. His role is to be a shooter and spread the floor for TD, Manu, and TP to operate in the lane. He's not paid to be a defensive stopper. Brent Barry wasn't a defensive stopper either. Brent's 3pt % and Bonner's 3pt % are almost the same. All the Bonner haters prove is that they have no clue how NBA basketball is played. Re-signing Bonner is good for the Spurs because we need shooters big time. That's what he does and that's why he earned this new contract. Kyle Korver is a shooter too and somebody is going to pay him the MLE.

Kori Ellis

07-09-2010, 07:26 PM

Well, we might as well just skip next season. We have never won shit with Matt Bonner on this fucking team.

Un-fucking-believable

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YWT7uGfZ0d0/RnOWBD5_A6I/AAAAAAAAASk/UelZ81JCkcE/s320/fullj_getty-74165826cc211_nba_finals_ga_2_33_45_am.jpg

024

07-09-2010, 07:27 PM

four years? the fuck?

scottspurs

07-09-2010, 07:28 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YWT7uGfZ0d0/RnOWBD5_A6I/AAAAAAAAASk/UelZ81JCkcE/s320/fullj_getty-74165826cc211_nba_finals_ga_2_33_45_am.jpg

Well Done

4>0rings

07-09-2010, 07:34 PM

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2007/12-14/lakers14csf_400.jpg

timaios

07-09-2010, 07:35 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YWT7uGfZ0d0/RnOWBD5_A6I/AAAAAAAAASk/UelZ81JCkcE/s320/fullj_getty-74165826cc211_nba_finals_ga_2_33_45_am.jpg

And he played a total of 0 min in 2007 finals ! :lmao

The Truth #6

07-09-2010, 07:36 PM

I guess all dynasties end with cronyism, drunkenness, and senility.

Borosai

07-09-2010, 07:37 PM

I've already mentioned that I like Bonner. But this is kind of disappointing. I was hoping this team was over the stretch-four-bizniss.

Duncan, Splitter, McDyess and Blair supply a balance of size, youth, and experience. I really wanted to see the Spurs play bigger from now on, but Bonner could add versatility if he toughens up and plays with consistency.

What I can't understand is the four years and a raise. Is the market really this fucked up?

barbacoataco

07-09-2010, 07:37 PM

Bonner played garbage minutes in the 2007 playoffs - 25 minutes in total.

objective

07-09-2010, 07:37 PM

I guess all dynasties end with cronyism, drunkenness, and senility.

not from without but from within?

intothechaos

07-09-2010, 07:41 PM

Motherf*****.... are the spurs really trying to fuck up this franchise by keeping this piece of shit?.... I don't fukn get it anymore... are we the fans the only ones that noticed bonner wasn't worth a shit last season?.. I mean does the FO need a good slap in the back if the head? If this asshole sees minutes he shouldn't deserve next season, u can count on a repeat season of last year.. and those that defend this asshole, ur outa ur brains....

SenorSpur

07-09-2010, 07:44 PM

I just don't understand this. I've been a Spurs fan since around 1988-89, but this love affair with Bonner just blows my mind. DO THEY REALLY THINK THAT HE CAN HELP A TEAM WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP? What part of choker/defensive lightweight/soft in the lane do they not see?

As someone else said, once Duncan stopped drawing double teams down low, WHAT GOOD DOES A SPREAD 4 do us?

That's the point right there.

Also until such time as Bonner is able to guard other 4's (Aldridge, Odom, Nowitzki and others), he'll continue to be what he is: a one-trick pony, who is an on-court liability when his shot isn't falling.

With Duncan in decline, he can no longer carry the team as he once did. As such, the objective should be to upgrade the supporting cast around him. This signing DOES NOT achieve that objective.

Furthermore, it does nothing to get the Spurs closer to the perennial target - the Fakers.

barbacoataco

07-09-2010, 07:45 PM

SenorSpur

07-09-2010, 07:46 PM

Those of you who think he will be the 5th big with limited minutes are kidding themselves. If they are paying him 4 mil a year then he will play.

This is the Finley Syndrome all over again. Hell, knowing Pop, Bonner will probably be the 3rd big in the rotation and first one off the bench.

thOOdee

07-09-2010, 07:47 PM

lol..this thread is funny.....on a serious note though ....ill always be a spurs fan...but this may hurt my interest come next year.....i get ill watching bigs on the bench ala theo or ian while bonner is running loose looking like a chicker w his head cut off.....MAYBE THERE REALLY IS A ROMANCE BEHIND THE SCENES.

angelbelow

07-09-2010, 07:49 PM

Those of you who think he will be the 5th big with limited minutes are kidding themselves. If they are paying him 4 mil a year then he will play.

This means Blair and McDyess will be fighting for the 4th/5th big man spot with Duncan, Splitter and Bonner ahead of them in the rotation.

Its a lose lose. If hes gonna play, we take minutes away from Blair and Splitter, if he doesnt play we just overpaid a 5th big off the bench.

I just hope the numbers are wrong and he actually has a 4 year 8million total contract. I think hes worth about 1.5-2mil a year.

timvp

07-09-2010, 07:52 PM

The only way giving Bonner more than $10 million guaranteed is if the Spurs are going to trade away McDyess before the start of the season. Otherwise, if Bonner is the fifth big, his salary wouldn't be worth the difference between what he gives you and some scrub like James Singleton, Tim Thomas, Steve Novak, Josh McRoberts, Jonathan Bender or even Connor f'in Atchley gives you.

NewJerSpur

07-09-2010, 07:57 PM

Didn't see the RJ opt-out coming, but I figured things would get worked out with Bonner fairly quickly.....didn't think he was going anywhere. Goodbye Ian, hello Tiago?

Sigz

07-09-2010, 08:01 PM

And he played a total of 0 min in 2007 finals ! :lmao

Matt Bonner played a total of 25 minutes in the ENTIRE postseason during the 2007 playoffs/finals.

That is a 2.8 minuet per GAME average.

Trill Clinton

07-09-2010, 08:02 PM

This big red sandwich hunting-disappearing act got 4 years?!!! RC and co must be smoking some good shit to even offer that...dude can't even guard his own shadow in a phone booth...I bet bonnet was surprised when his agent called him too...let's get splitter signed asap so I can start feeling good about our offseason again.

HankChinaski

07-09-2010, 08:05 PM

McDyess is gonna retire after this year more than likely.

So that leaves you still with a 4 big back court and room to consider Ryan Richards (If we sign and keep him) after a year or two in the d-league/european leagues to consider if he is a going to be able to jump over and be NBA ready and contribute to the spurs front court. Otherwise in a season or two the spurs will be looking at someone else to bring in for additional help and it doesn't hurt to have a guy like Bonner on the books that can step in off the bench and is reliable enough throughout the regular season to rest some of the core starters.

Seems okay to me long term.

objective

07-09-2010, 08:05 PM

rmt

07-09-2010, 08:07 PM

The math shows that Bonner shot 38.5% in the playoffs. That's well above average. His role is to be a shooter and spread the floor for TD, Manu, and TP to operate in the lane. He's not paid to be a defensive stopper. Brent Barry wasn't a defensive stopper either. Brent's 3pt % and Bonner's 3pt % are almost the same. All the Bonner haters prove is that they have no clue how NBA basketball is played. Re-signing Bonner is good for the Spurs because we need shooters big time. That's what he does and that's why he earned this new contract. Kyle Korver is a shooter too and somebody is going to pay him the MLE.

Please do not compare Bonner to Barry. Barry was a great passer and could play the point guard position. Have you forgotten that he was one of the 7 man rotation that played the last quarter of game 7 of the NBA Finals. God forbid that Bonner ever play in such a pressure-packed situation. No one left Barry open at the 3 point line as they do with Bonner and no NBA player ever said, "Just give the ball to whoever Barry is guarding." I don't care what Bonner's +/- stat is or what his 3 pt % is, the fact is that he has no heart and chokes in the playoffs.

I hope the Spurs aren't thinking of trading Dice. I know he didn't do much in the regular season, but he was fantastic against Dirk. I don't think Spurs make it past the Mavs last year without Dice. And Dice has a lot of heart.

024

07-09-2010, 08:08 PM

spurs should trade mcdyess, then the new team would buy him out, and then he can go join the heat. i want to see him at least get one more chance to win a championship.

Cant_Be_Faded

07-09-2010, 08:12 PM

This is the most pathetic move by this FO in ages. I don't think this FO deserves the constant credit that it's given. It's a pathetic move of desperation pure and simple.

There is no logic to it no matter how you look at it.

Sad sad day in silver-and-black land.

If we trade Dice because Bonner needed more money I will vomit.

Birn

07-09-2010, 08:20 PM

timvp

07-09-2010, 08:22 PM

This is the most pathetic move by this FO in ages.

Not quite as bad as two-years and $5 million for a completely washed up Michael Finley.

Then again, maybe it is. We haven't seen the final numbers yet.

Cant_Be_Faded

07-09-2010, 08:24 PM

Not quite as bad as two-years and $5 million for a completely washed up Michael Finley.

Then again, maybe it is. We haven't seen the final numbers yet.

the fact that my friends babies will be in kindergarten and Bonner will still be on this team is a fucking travesty

timvp

07-09-2010, 08:25 PM

the fact that my friends babies will be in kindergarten and Bonner will still be on this team is a fucking travesty

:lol

Kori Ellis

07-09-2010, 08:27 PM

the fact that my friends babies will be in kindergarten and Bonner will still be on this team is a fucking travesty

:lmao That put it in a funny perspective for me.

HankChinaski

07-09-2010, 08:30 PM

I'll reserve to groan a little depending on further info on exactly how the contract is laid out. Right now I'm not excited but i'm also not throwing a fit over this signing. Partial guaranteed money in the last year of the contract or team option wouldn't sound bad. Also the scale of the contract where it starts at.

benefactor

07-09-2010, 08:30 PM

the fact that my friends babies will be in kindergarten and Bonner will still be on this team is a fucking travesty
My daughter will be in high school by the time he's gone...that is...if they don't re-up him with another raise. By the time he is gone she will be able to actually understand why dad spent so much time mad at the computer/TV.

Cant_Be_Faded

07-09-2010, 08:31 PM

It's a total abortion. I exceeded my phone data coverage for the billing period on my phone so I could not post and rant from work. I've been waiting all fucking day to rant about what an amazingly horrible move this is.

It makes no sense from any angle. We are witnessing this team shift its goals from championship to just making the playoffs. I know we're on decline hardcore but cementing that fact by committing four fucking years to Bonner makes me sick.

Nothing personal against him he just does not belong on this team.

Birn

07-09-2010, 08:33 PM

Please do not compare Bonner to Barry. Barry was a great passer and could play the point guard position. Have you forgotten that he was one of the 7 man rotation that played the last quarter of game 7 of the NBA Finals. God forbid that Bonner ever play in such a pressure-packed situation. No one left Barry open at the 3 point line as they do with Bonner and no NBA player ever said, "Just give the ball to whoever Barry is guarding." I don't care what Bonner's +/- stat is or what his 3 pt % is, the fact is that he has no heart and chokes in the playoffs.

I hope the Spurs aren't thinking of trading Dice. I know he didn't do much in the regular season, but he was fantastic against Dirk. I don't think Spurs make it past the Mavs last year without Dice. And Dice has a lot of heart.

How do you define "No heart" and "chokes in the playoffs"? Provide specific examples. Bonner's role has always been to be a shooter...that's it. That's what morons like you don't understand. Our team desperately needs shooters. Bonner has been one of the top 5 NBA 3pt shooters over the past two seasons. You don't find 40% 3pt shooters hanging around any street corner. Our team has always won championships with shooters. Go back to Kerr, Jaren Jackson, Ferry, and Barry were all dead-eye shooters but gave us nothing on defense. I never heard anybody claim they were chokers or hard no heart. It's because their role was to be the designated gunner while on the floor. That's what Bonner's role is plain and simple. He's not being re-signed to be a defensive stopper or a shot blocker deluxe or an enforcer. His contract is very decent and doesn't hurt the team's payroll at all. We keep our MLE for Splitter and the LLE for another player. In addition, we remain well below the luxury tax.

This is a good move by the Spurs.

J_Paco

07-09-2010, 08:33 PM

I can't for the life of me understand why the Spurs are bringing back Bonner. The days of Tim Duncan seeing a constant double-team are over. So, why hold on to a player that doesn't bring absolutely anything else but three-point shooting back? Bonner's fucking 6'10'' but has the game of Chase Budinger, Matt Carroll or J.J. Reddick.

:bang:bang:bang:bang

When will they learn that adding or keeping another young, athletic big man was a more pressing need than keeping this guy? God forbid that Duncan, Splitter, McDyess or Blair suffer any serious injuries next season. Then we'll be stuck back at square one with Bonner playing extended minutes and a bigger role.

:depressed:depressed:bang:bang:cry:cry:drunk:vomit ::vomit:

rascal

07-09-2010, 08:39 PM

How do you define "No heart" and "chokes in the playoffs"? Provide specific examples. Bonner's role has always been to be a shooter...that's it. That's what morons like you don't understand. Our team desperately needs shooters. Bonner has been one of the top 5 NBA 3pt shooters over the past two seasons. You don't find 40% 3pt shooters hanging around any street corner. Our team has always won championships with shooters. Go back to Kerr, Jaren Jackson, Ferry, and Barry were all dead-eye shooters but gave us nothing on defense. I never heard anybody claim they were chokers or hard no heart. It's because their role was to be the designated gunner while on the floor. That's what Bonner's role is plain and simple. He's not being re-signed to be a defensive stopper or a shot blocker deluxe or an enforcer. His contract is very decent and doesn't hurt the team's payroll at all. We keep our MLE for Splitter and the LLE for another player. In addition, we remain well below the luxury tax.

This is a good move by the Spurs.

The problem is bonner does next to nothing on the floor other than shoot 3 pointers and that kills the team when your center is just chucking up 3 point shots and is useless in areas that a center needs to be good at.

rayray2k8

07-09-2010, 08:39 PM

The sig says it all!!

Trill Clinton

07-09-2010, 08:42 PM

This bullshit is right up there with the day we signed bill curley.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 08:44 PM

Let me add the proper disclaimers on this post:

How do you define "No heart" and "chokes in the playoffs"? Provide specific examples (1). Bonner's role has always been to be a shooter...that's it(2). That's what morons like you don't understand. Our team desperately needs shooters. Bonner has been one of the top 5 NBA 3pt shooters over the past two seasons(3). You don't find 40% 3pt shooters hanging around any street corner(4). Our team has always won championships with shooters. Go back to Kerr, Jaren Jackson, Ferry, and Barry(5) were all dead-eye shooters but gave us nothing on defense. I never heard anybody claim they were chokers or hard no heart. It's because their role was to be the designated gunner while on the floor. That's what Bonner's role is plain and simple. He's not being re-signed to be a defensive stopper or a shot blocker deluxe or an enforcer. His contract is very decent and doesn't hurt the team's payroll at all(6). We keep our MLE for Splitter and the LLE for another player. In addition, we remain well below the luxury tax(7).

1) Career 31.8% shooter in the playoffs. At that rate, you let Manu or Hill take those shots and they'll make more than Bonner.
2) Except the part where he doubles as our PF defensively and creates a huge hole in the interior, to the point of other players calling out to give the ball to whoever Bonner is guarding.
3) ...during the regular season. He's top 1000 during the playoffs.
4) It looks like the Spurs can't find 40% 3PT shooters when they need them either.
5) None of which was a 'big' and played in the paint. Horry is the exception. Bonner is not Horry, obviously.
6) If it's the numbers that were thrown out there, he might hurt the Spurs's ability to offer a competitive extension to Parker.
7) Again, if the numbers that were thrown out there are correct, we would be OVER the luxury tax.

underdawg

07-09-2010, 08:49 PM

The math shows that Bonner shot 38.5% in the playoffs. That's well above average. His role is to be a shooter and spread the floor for TD, Manu, and TP to operate in the lane. He's not paid to be a defensive stopper. Brent Barry wasn't a defensive stopper either. Brent's 3pt % and Bonner's 3pt % are almost the same. All the Bonner haters prove is that they have no clue how NBA basketball is played. Re-signing Bonner is good for the Spurs because we need shooters big time. That's what he does and that's why he earned this new contract. Kyle Korver is a shooter too and somebody is going to pay him the MLE.

it's actually 37%, but that's not nearly the point - if he didn't play as many minutes as he usually does, he'd be less of a liability and worth more to the team as a 3 point shooter. Horry was able to play more without causing harm because he brought defense and rebounding with his 3 point shooting.

Bonner's defense, rebounding and offense (outside his 3's) are a major hit to the balance needed for the Spurs to succeed. Again, if he didn't log so many minutes, it would not hurt the Spurs as much.

we need defenders more than we need shooters right now.

Birn

07-09-2010, 08:50 PM

The problem is bonner does next to nothing on the floor other than shoot 3 pointers and that kills the team when your center is just chucking up 3 point shots and is useless in areas that a center needs to be good at.

Yes, but Bonner's value is being useful in areas that most 4/5 players usually aren't. i.e. 3pt shooting.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 08:54 PM

Kyle Korver plays in the perimeter. If he screws up, it's not directly a layup. He's also not expected to rebound the ball or guard bigger players. He also got a 3 year deal. He also averages 37% 3PT shooter in his career, with his last two playoff outings showing 46% and 48% 3PT shooting.

rmt

07-09-2010, 08:55 PM

By the way if you want to be a Miami fan, no respect to you:)

It was a joke. Do you think that I'd do that if I'm in a Matt Bonner thread when everyone around me is talking about the Heat? The worse part for me is that there's no way I'll be able to afford my 2 behind the visitors bench tickets when the Spurs come to town. The tickets will be unavailable or outrageously expensive :-(

J_Paco

07-09-2010, 08:58 PM

Yes, but Bonner's value is being useful in areas that most 4/5 players usually aren't. i.e. 3pt shooting.

See, that's the biggest issue. Bonner's only value is outside of the skills needed to be successful NBA big man. The guy does absolutely nothing else well enough that warrants a long-term contract or a pay raise.

He is at best a fringe NBA player like his red-headed brethren Brian Scalabrine. Yet, Boston was smart enough to end their relationship with 'Brine as a legitimate NBA player. The Spurs have yet to demonstrate that they're past "The Bonner Experiment" and continue acquiring his services. Much like Michael Finley before him; to the detriment to young players and the team as a whole.

underdawg

07-09-2010, 09:09 PM

Yes, but Bonner's value is being useful in areas that most 4/5 players usually aren't. i.e. 3pt shooting.

boner was 28th in the league last year for 3pt% (George Hill was 18th - that's surprising)

Birn

07-09-2010, 09:17 PM

it's actually 37%, but that's not nearly the point - if he didn't play as many minutes as he usually does, he'd be less of a liability and worth more to the team as a 3 point shooter. Horry was able to play more without causing harm because he brought defense and rebounding with his 3 point shooting.

Bonner's defense, rebounding and offense (outside his 3's) are a major hit to the balance needed for the Spurs to succeed. Again, if he didn't log so many minutes, it would not hurt the Spurs as much.

we need defenders more than we need shooters right now.

He only averaged 17 minutes a game this postseason. Not major minutes at all. In fact, his playoff % this year from 3 was very solid. Again, he's not on the team to be a rebounder or shotblocker. His game is very similar to Channing Frye. Frye does nothing on defense but is an outstanding shooter. In fact, Frye and Bonner have very similar contracts. That's the market value for a big man that can stretch the floor. Anytime you can get one of those, it opens up the floor for everyone else because the opposing team's big is pulled away from the paint. Without Bonner, TD and Manu have less opportunities to penetrate. He's a valuable member of the team.

Great move by the Spurs. Very economical piece of the team that brings a skill that we desperately need - shooting. Because he's our own free agent, we don't have to use the MLE or LLE. Bringing someone else in would eat up part of the MLE or LLE.

If you hate Bonner so much, then name one player we can bring in that can shoot as well as Bonner.

The Truth #6

07-09-2010, 09:19 PM

He is a minimum salary player. What bargaining power could he have? He doesn't want to leave San Antonio. Conversely, what team is beating down the door to sign Matt Bonner? I know there are a lot of dumb FO's out there...but for us to do this...wow. It's like it negates all the other great moves we've made before.

Pop must have no self-confidence anymore. Or he's become completely lazy. It's like he wants to play it safe and surround himself with lapdogs. No way Presti makes these bonehead mistakes.

Ugh. I can't believe we open up the wallet for THIS chump. He has no more room to improve. We couldn't try to get someone with some amount of promise.

The last time we signed Bonner was stupid. This only compounds it.

This must drive the ad department nuts. How do they promote this garbage?

underdawg

07-09-2010, 09:25 PM

He only averaged 17 minutes a game this postseason. Not major minutes at all. In fact, his playoff % this year from 3 was very solid. Again, he's not on the team to be a rebounder or shotblocker. His game is very similar to Channing Frye. Frye does nothing on defense but is an outstanding shooter. In fact, Frye and Bonner have very similar contracts. That's the market value for a big man that can stretch the floor. Anytime you can get one of those, it opens up the floor for everyone else because the opposing team's big is pulled away from the paint. Without Bonner, TD and Manu have less opportunities to penetrate. He's a valuable member of the team.

Great move by the Spurs. Very economical piece of the team that brings a skill that we desperately need - shooting. Because he's our own free agent, we don't have to use the MLE or LLE. Bringing someone else in would eat up part of the MLE or LLE.

If you hate Bonner so much, then name one player we can bring in that can shoot as well as Bonner.

it's a great theory that Bonner provides the necessary spacing for Tim to be successful, but in reality it still doesn't make up for what we lose on defense. Our 3pt percentage has been higher the past 2 years versus '05 and '07, but our opponents points per game has gone up dramatically as well (almost 8 points per game.) We don't need a stretch 4 - we need a 4 that can help Tim defend the paint. To answer your question - we don't need a better shooter than Bonner. We need a better defender to give Tim and Dice rest and help out Blair when we're matched up against taller and longer players.

Bad move by the Spurs - don't give a raise to a player that's called a "limo player"

Budkin

07-09-2010, 09:26 PM

I don't get it... why? He must have something on Pop and RC.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 09:27 PM

slick'81

07-09-2010, 09:28 PM

It's a total abortion. I exceeded my phone data coverage for the billing period on my phone so I could not post and rant from work. I've been waiting all fucking day to rant about what an amazingly horrible move this is.

It makes no sense from any angle. We are witnessing this team shift its goals from championship to just making the playoffs. I know we're on decline hardcore but cementing that fact by committing four fucking years to Bonner makes me sick.

imo this is right up there with scola for a 2nd rounder and jackie butler

Nothing personal against him he just does not belong on this team.

i wish i could wake up but alas this is reality matt bonner is back :(

Birn

07-09-2010, 09:33 PM

it's a great theory that Bonner provides the necessary spacing for Tim to be successful, but in reality it still doesn't make up for what we lose on defense. Our 3pt percentage has been higher the past 2 years versus '05 and '07, but our opponents points per game has gone up dramatically as well (almost 8 points per game.) We don't need a stretch 4 - we need a 4 that can help Tim defend the paint. To answer your question - we don't need a better shooter than Bonner. We need a better defender to give Tim and Dice rest and help out Blair when we're matched up against taller and longer players.

Bad move by the Spurs - don't give a raise to a player that's called a "limo player"

No NBA team has a roster filled with lock down defenders. Yes, I agree we need a shotblocking/rebounding presence in the paint. However, every NBA GM always looks for shooters on their roster. Most dead eye shooters are gunners who are limited defensively. By the way, the reason the Spurs defense has struggled the past two seasons is not solely Bonner's fault. When you only play 17 minutes a game, you can't lay it on him. Tim is getting slower and so is Dice. Same with Manu gambling a little more.

It gets really old to see so many people use Bonner as a straw man to blame our defensive troubles. The facts just don't bear that out.

rmt

07-09-2010, 09:33 PM

The last time we signed Bonner, we could have had Scola for the same money. Imagine - some one with heart, big game experience, who has an array of post moves and who guards Odom very well. To compound it by signing Bonner for another 4 years with a raise is incomprehensible.

Don't know why they traded away Ratliff last season. I'd rather have his length and defense against the Lakers than Bonner. Duncan will wear down even more trying to cover for Bonner.

objective

07-09-2010, 09:35 PM

When you only play 17 minutes a game, you can't lay it on him. Tim is getting slower and so is Dice. Same with Manu gambling a little more.

So the team's good defenders get worse, and that excuses Bonner?

Shouldn't the logical response to the good defenders declining be to acquire better defense from the role players around them?

Birn

07-09-2010, 09:38 PM

Frye averaged almost twice the amount of rebounds than Bonner this postseason (5.6 vs 3.2). And ultimately Frye ended up choking against the Lakers, which should really tell you that the whole stretch 4 theory doesn't work at all against those taller, more athletic teams. Furthermore, Bonner is not pulling anybody out of the paint. Sit down and watch a Lakers game against the Spurs, and you'll see it clear as a day.

And Hill shot aswell as Bonner during the playoffs. And ultimately, it's not Bonner we're hating. It's not his fault he got offered to re-sign. It's the FO being stuck on stupid looking for Horry in a guy that's not Horry.

Frye averaged almost twice the minutes that Bonner averaged. On a per minute basis, they are very comparable. You have to live and die with shooters. You ride them when they're on and you live with them when they're off. It happens. Same thing happened to Ray Allen in the finals. It has nothing to do with being a stretch 4. By the way, the Spurs did beat the Lakers 2 out of 3 times this season. We do match up pretty well with them because we have quicker guards and a big that can shoot from 3 which pulls out Gasol or Bynum. Now that we have Splitter, it gives us a lot more flexibility. We can match up with just about any team in the league.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 09:39 PM

So the team's good defenders get worse, and that excuses Bonner?

Shouldn't the logical response to the good defenders declining be to acquire better defense from the role players around them?

Exactly. Tim has been screaming for help for two seasons now.
You either build towards improving your defense, or you live with the status quo. Bonner is not the sole reason our defense declined. But he's part of the problem, not the solution.

TJastal

07-09-2010, 09:40 PM

it's a great theory that Bonner provides the necessary spacing for Tim to be successful, but in reality it still doesn't make up for what we lose on defense. Our 3pt percentage has been higher the past 2 years versus '05 and '07, but our opponents points per game has gone up dramatically as well (almost 8 points per game.) We don't need a stretch 4 - we need a 4 that can help Tim defend the paint. To answer your question - we don't need a better shooter than Bonner. We need a better defender to give Tim and Dice rest and help out Blair when we're matched up against taller and longer players.

Bad move by the Spurs - don't give a raise to a player that's called a "limo player"

+1

The irony of all this is Boner will end up taking a chunk of Splitter's minutes and probably salary too (if I was Splitter I would have ceased negotiations the minute the spurs' F.O. announced this signing). Fortunately for the spurs, Splitter might not realize that the Boner signing will significantly impact HIS minutes and be fooled into signing a contract with the thinking he is going to get significant minutes.

If Bonner had been signed at a reasonable price as a 5th or 6th big that would be one thing. But to sign him at an exorbitant rate will gaurantee he is going to play close to 20 minutes a game and take minutes from what will probably end up being mostly Splitter's.

Poor Tiago will probably be fooled into signing a contract (reduced, thanks to Boner) with the spurs and be be totally blindsided when Bonner's minutes > his.

The Truth #6

07-09-2010, 09:41 PM

Birn, are you an unpaid intern trying to get a job with the Spurs? I'm trying to understand what compels you to come up with these opinions.

Johnny RIngo

07-09-2010, 09:43 PM

Ugh, I just heard about this. Fucking depressing as shit.

R.I.P. to the Tim Duncan era. Overpaying Bonner for four more years proves the FO doesn't care about winning another title.

TJastal

07-09-2010, 09:43 PM

Poor Tim Duncan... he's going to have to carry Bonner's weight around again this year. :(

Chucho

07-09-2010, 09:45 PM

If anyone ever wants to know what R.C and Pop's dick cheese smells like, just go talk to this worthless piece of trash. That's ain't no gorgonzola from some fuckin' hoagie. 4 years?!?! Outfuckinraegous. I hope he's driving through a West Texas dessert and his sorry ass Pontiac breaks down and he becomes a hitch hiking casualty. I just wish the Spurs would try something logical to keep competitive with the rest of the league and unless Bonner and Parker get packaged to Denver for Melo, I don't see that happening, Splitter or no Splitter, who should have been the first priority over this fucking Nancy.

Birn

07-09-2010, 09:46 PM

So the team's good defenders get worse, and that excuses Bonner?

Shouldn't the logical response to the good defenders declining be to acquire better defense from the role players around them?

That's not how you look at it. It's called "TEAM" defense. The idea is to funnel the wing players toward the baseline so TD can block the shot. sometimes, Timmy was too slow to rotate over and other times Manu or Tony allowed their man to get inside the paint. Everybody on the team struggled on defense last year. We didn't have very many "good defenders" last year because they didn't play as well as a team defensively. it takes an incredible amount of trust and timing to play good team defense.

I'd like to ask all the Bonner haters a serious question. Is there anything he does that you think is helpful to the team? If you respond with smartass comments and nothing else then it proves my point that you know nothing about NBA basketball. If all you're doing is just hating on someone then you shouldn't be offering any meaningful opinions on the team's acquisitions.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 09:46 PM

Frye averaged almost twice the minutes that Bonner averaged. On a per minute basis, they are very comparable. You have to live and die with shooters.

We can live and die with shooters. That doesn't mean that the shooters have to double as your PF. Especially when your Center is aging quick and needs real help out there.

You ride them when they're on and you live with them when they're off. It happens.

Sure, I can understand that. The problem is where do you draw the line? We rode Bonner 3 point shot into 1st and 2nd round exits. His shooting becomes very average in the playoffs. Like I said, I can live with Hill taking the same shots, and having an actual good big grabbing boards and helping Tim defend the interior.

Same thing happened to Ray Allen in the finals.

Ray Allen is not the last line of defense. Ray also did a great job defending, even if he was not scoring.

It has nothing to do with being a stretch 4. By the way, the Spurs did beat the Lakers 2 out of 3 times this season. We do match up pretty well with them because we have quicker guards and a big that can shoot from 3 which pulls out Gasol or Bynum. Now that we have Splitter, it gives us a lot more flexibility. We can match up with just about any team in the league.

We played the Lakers 4 times this season. We went 2 and 2. The two games we won, the first one Gasol didn't play. The second one Bynum didn't play.
We don't match up with them well at all. We obviously didn't match up well with the Suns either last season, seeing the 4 game ass whooping we got.

Birn

07-09-2010, 09:48 PM

ElNono

07-09-2010, 09:48 PM

+1

The irony of all this is Boner will end up taking a chunk of Splitter's minutes and probably salary too (if I was Splitter I would have ceased negotiations the minute the spurs' F.O. announced this signing). Fortunately for the spurs, Splitter might not realize that the Boner signing will significantly impact HIS minutes and be fooled into signing a contract with the thinking he is going to get significant minutes.

If Bonner had been signed at a reasonable price as a 5th or 6th big that would be one thing. But to sign him at an exorbitant rate will gaurantee he is going to play close to 20 minutes a game and take minutes from what will probably end up being mostly Splitter's.

Poor Tiago will probably be fooled into signing a contract (reduced, thanks to Boner) with the spurs and be be totally blindsided when Bonner's minutes > his.

Not just Splitter. I honestly believe Blair is now officially the 5th big.

rmt

07-09-2010, 09:49 PM

No NBA team has a roster filled with lock down defenders. Yes, I agree we need a shotblocking/rebounding presence in the paint. However, every NBA GM always looks for shooters on their roster. Most dead eye shooters are gunners who are limited defensively. By the way, the reason the Spurs defense has struggled the past two seasons is not solely Bonner's fault. When you only play 17 minutes a game, you can't lay it on him. Tim is getting slower and so is Dice. Same with Manu gambling a little more.

It gets really old to see so many people use Bonner as a straw man to blame our defensive troubles. The facts just don't bear that out.

Then if Tim, Dice and Manu are getting older and slower, why would the Spurs not get some one to help in that department (defense)? Why re-sign Bonner who compounds the problem? Why not have your shooting from a position on the perimeter and if some one gets by said shooter, have some one like Ratliff who can shot-block in addition to play some post defense and who has length? This is not even factoring in the cost and commitment of a Bonner vs Ratliff.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 09:52 PM

Is there anything he does that you think is helpful to the team? If you respond with smartass comments and nothing else then it proves my point that you know nothing about NBA basketball. If all you're doing is just hating on someone then you shouldn't be offering any meaningful opinions on the team's acquisitions.

He writes a damn fine sandwich blog. He also gives Dice the opportunity to rest during the regular season. That's probably worth $1.5m/season max.

TJastal

07-09-2010, 09:56 PM

That's not how you look at it. It's called "TEAM" defense. The idea is to funnel the wing players toward the baseline so TD can block the shot. sometimes, Timmy was too slow to rotate over and other times Manu or Tony allowed their man to get inside the paint. Everybody on the team struggled on defense last year. We didn't have very many "good defenders" last year because they didn't play as well as a team defensively. it takes an incredible amount of trust and timing to play good team defense.

I'd like to ask all the Bonner haters a serious question. Is there anything he does that you think is helpful to the team? If you respond with smartass comments and nothing else then it proves my point that you know nothing about NBA basketball. If all you're doing is just hating on someone then you shouldn't be offering any meaningful opinions on the team's acquisitions.

At least have the balls to post under your real user name, Thispego