Rallies over mosque near ground zero get heated

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation/20100822_ap_ralliesovermosqueneargroundzerogetheat ed.html


Rallies over mosque near ground zero get heated




Rallies over mosque near ground zero get heated
VERENA DOBNIK

The Associated Press

NEW YORK - The proposed mosque near ground zero drew hundreds of fever-pitch demonstrators Sunday, with opponents carrying signs associating Islam with blood, supporters shouting, "Say no to racist fear!" and American flags waving on both sides.

Police separated the two groups but there were some nose-to-nose confrontations, including a man and a woman screaming at each other across a barricade under a steady rain.

Opponents of the plan to build a $100 million, 13-story Islamic center and mosque two blocks from the World Trade Center site appeared to outnumber supporters. Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" blared over loudspeakers as mosque opponents chanted, "No mosque, no way!"

Signs hoisted by hundreds of protesters standing behind police barricades read "SHARIA" , using dripping, blood-red letters to describe Islam's Shariah law. Around the corner, NYPD officers guarded a cordoned-off stretch of Park Place occupied by the old building that is to become the Islamic center.

Steve Ayling, a 40-year-old Brooklyn plumber who took his "SHARIA" sign to a dry spot by an office building, said the people behind the mosque project are "the same people who took down the twin towers."

Opponents demand that the mosque be moved farther from the site where nearly 3,000 people were killed on Sept. 11, 2001. Ayling said, "They should put it in the Middle East," and added that he still vividly remembers watching television on 9/11 "and seeing people jumping from the towers, and ashes falling on my house."

On a nearby sidewalk, police chased away a group that unfurled a banner with images of beating, stoning and other torture they said was committed by those who followed Islamic law.

The mosque project is being led by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, who insist the center will promote moderate Islam. The dispute has sparked a national debate on religious freedom and American values and is becoming an issue on the campaign trail ahead of the midterm elections. Republicans have been critical of President Barack Obama's stance: He has said the Muslims have the right to build the center at the site but has not commented on whether he thinks they should.

At a pro-mosque rally staged a block away from opponents' demonstration, several hundred people chanted, "Muslims are welcome here! We say no to racist fear!"

Dr. Ali Akram, a Brooklyn physician, came with his three sons and an 11-year-old nephew waving an American flag in his hand. He noted that scores of Muslims were among those who died in the towers, and he called those who oppose the mosque "un-American."

"They teach their children about the freedom of religion in America , but they don't practice what they preach," Akram said.

Gila Barzvi, whose son, Guy Barzvi, was killed in the towers, stood with mosque opponents, clutching a large photo of her son with both hands.

"This is sacred ground and it's where my son was buried," the native Israeli from Queens said. She said the mosque would be "like a knife in our hearts."

She was joined by a close friend, Kobi Mor, who flew from San Francisco to participate in the rally.

If the mosque gets built, "we will bombard it," Mor said. He would not elaborate but added that he believes the project "will never happen."

The Sunday rallies coincided with an annual motorcycle ride by a group that raises money for Sept. 11 first responders.

Bikers rolled in from the two other Sept. 11 attack sites, Washington and Shanksville, Pa.

The imam behind the project is in the middle of a Mideast trip funded by the U.S. State Department that is intended to promote religious tolerance. He has discussed efforts to combat extremism, but has avoided any comments on the rancor over the planned Islamic center.

Rauf told the Al Wasat newspaper in Bahrain that the freedoms enshrined by the U.S. Constitution also reflect true Muslim values. A portion of the interview , to be published Monday , was seen Sunday by The Associated Press.


Sharia!

[boutons_deux]

Ever wonder why Fox Repugnant Network hasn't fomented similar demonstrations and hate-mongering about Wall St?

[George Gervin's Afro]

It's obvious these people are well informed on the issue.

[spursncowboys]

this is nothing compared to the violence from the pro-illegal immigration guys in Cali.

[boutons_deux]

"For years, the American Right and neocons have been quick to accuse critics of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars of endangering American troops – by causing disunity, exposing counter-terror techniques, etc. – but these war enthusiasts are now the ones putting the lives of U.S. soldiers in jeopardy."


"The United States would have stood up before the world as a confident nation that lives – not just talks – its principles. The American welcoming of a mosque near the 9/11 site could have represented a propaganda blow to al-Qaeda and other extremists.

Instead, the opposite has occurred. The world has seen the United States appearing as a weak, prejudiced and vengeful nation, blaming an entire religion for the actions of a few adherents."

http://consortiumnews.com/Print/2010/081810.html

iow, OBL wins again, exposes America as petty, bigoted, xenophobic, retrograde, close-minded.

Terrorists beat America's huge, flabby ass again, and again, and again.

=========

A take that Fox hate-mongering does betrayus Petraeus:

"prime movers in the campaign against the “ground zero mosque” just happen to be among the last cheerleaders for America’s nine-year war in Afghanistan. The wrecking ball they’re wielding is not merely pounding Park51, as the project is known, but is demolishing America’s already frail support for that war, which is dedicated to nation-building in a nation whose most conspicuous asset besides opium is actual mosques. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinion/22rich.html?pagewanted=print

[boutons_deux]

...

[EmptyMan]

instead, the opposite has occurred. The world has seen the united states appearing as a weak, prejudiced and vengeful nation, blaming an entire religion for the actions of a few adherents."



lmao.

[Wild Cobra]

this is nothing compared to the violence from the pro-illegal immigration guys in Cali.
Or Code Pink, NAMBLA, PETA, or just about any other leftist group. Conservative protests are so mild compared to liberal protests.

[leemajors]

Little to no uproar when the story first broke in Dec:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html

[DarrinS]

Sharia!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38799106/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

Saudi judge considers punishment by paralysis







CAIRO — Amnesty International has spoken out against a Saudi judge who, earlier this week, asked hospitals in the country whether they cut the spinal cord of a man who was convicted of paralyzing another man in a fight.

"We urge the Saudi Arabian authorities not to carry out such a punishment, which amounts to nothing less than torture," Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui, director of Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa Program, said in a statement. "While those guilty of a crime should be held accountable, intentionally paralysing a man in this way would constitute torture, and be a breach of its international human rights obligations."

Earlier this week, the brother of the victim — Abdul-Aziz al-Mutairi, 22 — told the media that the judge in the case was making inquiries about the deliberate paralysis.

The convicted man in the case allegedly attacked al-Mutairi with a cleaver two years ago, leaving al-Mutairi paralyzed. Al-Mutairi subsequently lost one of his feet.

Al-Mutairi asked a judge in northwestern Tabuk province to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law, his brother Khaled al-Mutairi told The Associated Press by telephone from there.

He said one of the hospitals, located in Tabuk, responded that it is possible to damage the spinal cord, but it added that the operation would have to be done at another more specialized facility. Saudi newspapers reported that a second hospital in the capital Riyadh declined, saying it could not inflict such harm.

Administrative offices of two of the hospitals and the court in Tabuk were closed for the Saudi weekend beginning Thursday and could not be reached for comment.

[DarrinS]

Ever wonder why Fox Repugnant Network hasn't fomented similar demonstrations and hate-mongering about Wall St?


Quite possibly the dumbest post in ST political forum history.

[boutons_deux]

But Saudis have "our" oil so US loses its humanity.

Saddam govt bad (US didn't have it Saddam's oil),
Saudi govt good (US addicted to Saudi oil).

[DarrinS]

But Saudis have "our" oil so US loses its humanity.

Saddam govt bad (US didn't have it Saddam's oil),
Saudi govt good (US addicted to Saudi oil).


Another post. Another fail.

[boutons_deux]

Darrin, why you hate all Muslims?

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38799106/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

Saudi judge considers punishment by paralysis

Sharia has nothing to do with Mosque!

Sharia!

[DarrinS]

Sharia has nothing to do with Mosque!

Sharia!


America is a Sharia-compliant state.

Nervous laughter at end of video.

qmZ0Qmqn3Wo

[DarrinS]

Ground Zero Mosque’s Hidden Websites: Follow the Shariah

http://bigpeace.com/cbrim/2010/08/17/ground-zero-mosques-hidden-websites-follow-the-shariah/

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sharia has nothing to do with Mosque!

Sharia!

[rjv]

born in the USA is probably the most misunderstood rock anthem of all time.

[Drachen]

born in the USA is probably the most misunderstood rock anthem of all time.

LOL, I thought this earlier when I read this, I even said out loud "why do people keep using Born in the USA as some kind of uber-patriot song?" Unfortunately, the only people around me were too young to even know that song.

[spurster]

I think Frank Rich has nailed the hypocrisy on this one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinion/22rich.html



Op-Ed Columnist
How Fox Betrayed Petraeus
By FRANK RICH
Published: August 21, 2010

THE "ground zero mosque," as you may well know by now, is not at ground zero. It’s not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center containing a prayer room. It's not going to determine President Obama's political future or the elections of 2010 or 2012. Still, the battle that has broken out over this project in Lower Manhattan — on the "hallowed ground" of a shuttered Burlington Coat Factory store one block from the New York Dolls Gentlemen’s Club - will prove eventful all the same. And the consequences will be far more profound than any midterm election results or any of the grand debates now raging 24/7 over the parameters of tolerance, religious freedom, and the real estate gospel of location, location, location.

Here's what's been lost in all the screaming. The prime movers in the campaign against the "ground zero mosque" just happen to be among the last cheerleaders for America’s nine-year war in Afghanistan. The wrecking ball they're wielding is not merely pounding Park51, as the project is known, but is demolishing America's already frail support for that war, which is dedicated to nation-building in a nation whose most conspicuous asset besides opium is actual mosques.

So virulent is the Islamophobic hysteria of the neocon and Fox News right - abetted by the useful idiocy of the Anti-Defamation League, Harry Reid and other cowed Democrats - that it has also rendered Gen. David Petraeus's last-ditch counterinsurgency strategy for fighting the war inoperative. How do you win Muslim hearts and minds in Kandahar when you are calling Muslims every filthy name in the book in New York?

...

We owe thanks to Justin Elliott of Salon for the single most revealing account of this controversy's evolution. He reports that there was zero reaction to the "ground zero mosque" from the front-line right or anyone else except marginal bloggers when The Times first reported on the Park51 plans in a lengthy front-page article on Dec. 9, 2009. The sole exception came some two weeks later at Fox News, where Laura Ingraham, filling in on "The O'Reilly Factor," interviewed Daisy Khan, the wife of the project's organizer, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. Ingraham gave the plans her blessing. "I can't find many people who really have a problem with it," she said. "I like what you're trying to do."

...

[DarrinS]

How can you not love this guy?

CHKV9GbjFko

[George Gervin's Afro]

How can you not love this guy?

CHKV9GbjFko

The US has always been perfect and any acknowledgment to anything different will cause you to be crucified by Fox News..:toast

hey darrins what does this have to do with the Mosque?

Sharia!

[boutons_deux]

OBL himself said his objective for attacking US was because the occupation of Saudi/Muslim "sacred ground" by US boots.

So, yes, US's occupation of SA to secure US's oil addiction was responsible for the WTC attack.

Substance abusers, like oil druggies, almost never admit they have a problem.

[DarrinS]

OBL himself said his objective for attacking US was because the occupation of Saudi/Muslim "sacred ground" by US boots.

So, yes, US's occupation of SA to seucre US's oil addiction was responsible for the WTC attack.

Substance abusers, like oil druggies, almost never admit they have a problem.


You fail

[boutons_deux]

Darrin, you're right, I am fully refudiated.

[boutons_deux]

Blind squirrel finds a nut and agreement from The Great Boutons:

Ron Paul breaks with GOP on New York mosque: The opposition ‘is all about hate and Islamaphobia.’

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/23/ron-paul-ny-mosque/

[ChumpDumper]

How can you not love this guy?

CHKV9GbjFkoGlenn Beck said exactly the same thing Rauf did about US foreign policy.

Both were correct.

[MannyIsGod]

You guys let WC say NAMBLA was a leftist group?

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, that was funny.

Someone whose posts he can see should ask him to explain that one.

[TeyshaBlue]

yeah, that was funny.

Someone whose posts he can see should ask him to explain that one.

rofl.

[Spurminator]

How can you not love this guy?

CHKV9GbjFko


OMG that's practically a terrorist manifesto!!

If you're a fucking moron.




(You're a fucking moron.)

[TeyshaBlue]

Blind squirrel finds a nut and agreement from The Great Boutons:

Ron Paul breaks with GOP on New York mosque: The opposition ‘is all about hate and Islamaphobia.’

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/23/ron-paul-ny-mosque/

Shouldn't that be: Blind squirrel finds a nut and agreement from The Great Ron Paul? :lol :lol

[leemajors]

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/real-americans-please-stand-up/?src=tptw

[CosmicCowboy]

Shouldn't that be: Blind squirrel finds a nut and agreement from The Great Ron Paul? :lol :lol

Or maybe, Nut finds a squirrel (Ron Paul) that agrees with him?

[Spurminator]

I really, really didn't want to bump this thread, but this music video has to be seen.

oaQBrTROj2w

[MiamiHeat]

Cordoba, yeah, Muslims tried to live peacefully with their neighbors.

Except that the Muslims were in control in Cordoba and killed many people. They allowed some people to practice a different religion, but they weren't tolerant. You'd be killed if you did something that was entirely offensive to them, and we know how easily offended they are.

Guess what Muslims believe? That Cordoba, and all of Spain, is rightfully Muslim land. Because, you know, they conquered it once, so it rightfully belongs to them, and they have vowed to retake it.

Guess what they did to the Christian Churches in Cordoba? They rebuilt Mosques over them.


Fuck that. I can't believe more people don't talk about the truth behind the meaning behind Cordoba Spain.

This mosque thing should be stopped.

[MiamiHeat]

also, building it right next to the WTC is a symbol of victory.

it will be a shining beacon in the ideological war....

fucking slimy politicians allowing this shit because of all these wealthy arabs

[LnGrrrR]

Nice trolling MH :tu

[MiamiHeat]

show me where i am wrong then

you realize the Quran says that every muslim is commanded to strive for peace, and to have peace, muslims must impose Shari'a Law in every corner of the earth

that is what "peace" looks like to muslims.

there is no such thing as a moderate or peaceful muslim. they are just the ones who are not following their holy text CORRECTLY. the osama bin laden's of the world are the actual loyal followers of the quran.

[boutons_deux]

MH hasn't been here long, but already I'm very impressed. An excellent representative of the right wing. :lol

[MiamiHeat]

MH hasn't been here long, but already I'm very impressed. An excellent representative of the right wing. :lol

have you ever stopped to actually learn about muslims?

seriously, i want to know

a lot of westerners believe that the Quran is like any other religious text, and that muslims practice a religion like any other religion...

it's completely wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Guess what they did to the Christian Churches in Cordoba? They rebuilt Mosques over them.What did the Christians do to the mosques once they retook Spain?

[LnGrrrR]

Pretty sure that the Bible tells Christians to follow God's word above all, as well. Of course, many Christians will tell you that they don't support stoning children, but they're just not following the Bible correctly.

[MiamiHeat]

Pretty sure that the Bible tells Christians to follow God's word above all, as well. Of course, many Christians will tell you that they don't support stoning children, but they're just not following the Bible correctly.

The New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant. Jesus' teachings overruled the old teachings.

Any worthwhile Christian knows this.

The same thing with the Quran.

Naskh states that any contradictions in the Quran must be handled in the following way : The older/earlier verses/teachings are replaced by the chronologically successive later verses.

When reading the quran this way, the quran FLAT OUT SAYS

it is the duty of every muslim to bring peace to the world by imposing Shari'a Law everywhere on earth.

among many other things.

any "peaceful" muslims you know are the product of human beings wanting to live peaceful lives. they are NOT faithful muslims to their holy text.

[Wild Cobra]

Pretty sure that the Bible tells Christians to follow God's word above all, as well. Of course, many Christians will tell you that they don't support stoning children, but they're just not following the Bible correctly.
Christians will also tell you that Christ made the old laws unnecessary. then most of the old laws were for the time and place. Not today.

Know any Christians or Jews that dig a hole to relieve themselves when we now have indoor plumbing?

The time/place standard is easily understood.

[Spurminator]

Seriously you all should check out the music video.

[ChumpDumper]

Christians will also tell you that Christ made the old laws unnecessary. then most of the old laws were for the time and place. Not today.

Know any Christians or Jews that dig a hole to relieve themselves when we now have indoor plumbing?

The time/place standard is easily understood.So the Ten Commandments no longer apply.

Neat.

[MiamiHeat]

So the Ten Commandments no longer apply.

Neat.

No, they still apply because it was included in the New Covenant.


Romans 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

[resistanze]

The New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant. Jesus' teachings overruled the old teachings.

Any worthwhile Christian knows this.


That's hilarious, because the first thing a 'Christian' will always do is quote the Old Testament when it comes to justifying slavery, homophobia, anti-abortion, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

So why is the Old Testament even in the Bible?

Please explain.

[MiamiHeat]

That's hilarious, because the first thing a 'Christian' will always do is quote the Old Testament when it comes to justifying slavery, homophobia, anti-abortion, etc.

Educate yourself before trying to sound like you know what you are talking about. That touch of "superior arrogance" you displayed is what is hilarious.

Homosexuality is denounced in the New Testament too.

Romans 1

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

[MiamiHeat]

So why is the Old Testament even in the Bible?

Please explain.

Because humans kept it.

[ChumpDumper]

Because humans kept it.So where is the superseding clause in the New Testament?

[MiamiHeat]

So where is the superseding clause in the New Testament?

I don't understand your question

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously you all should check out the music video.
Sorry, I'm watching the "Rat Patrol" right now.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't understand your questionIs there some passage in the NT saying the OT is to now be ignored unless parts are repeated in the NT?

[MiamiHeat]

Is there some passage in the NT saying the OT is to now be ignored unless parts are repeated in the NT?

The passage you refer to is in the OT

Jeremiah 31

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


So Jesus being the son of god that fulfilled the prophecy of the messiah, who came to do god's work, taught the new covenant of forgiveness

hey, I'm an atheist and I still remember this stuff.

[ChumpDumper]

But why would anyone believe that? It's in the Old Testament.

And if God is perfect, why did he need a mulligan on that first covenant?

[MiamiHeat]

But why would anyone believe that? It's in the Old Testament.

And if God is perfect, why did he need a mulligan on that first covenant?

Now you're getting completely off-topic.... with an atheist

You do realize I'm not a Christian right?

[ChumpDumper]

Now you're getting completely off-topic.... with an atheist

You do realize I'm not a Christian right?Don't really care. You're answering questions.

[MiamiHeat]

Also

Mulsims are told, BY THE QURAN, to LIE and MANIPULATE people in order to protect their beliefs or themselves.

this is known as taqiya. in fact, the Quran even tells muslims that it is ok to manipulate an infidel and make him believe you are on his side if it will get you an advantage. to protect himself or even to use it in the spread of islam.

[Wild Cobra]

Also

Mulsims are told, BY THE QURAN, to LIE and MANIPULATE people in order to protect their beliefs or themselves.

this is known as taqiya. in fact, the Quran even tells muslims that it is ok to manipulate an infidel and make him believe you are on his side if it will get you an advantage. to protect himself or even to use it in the spread of islam.
That's why someone needs to build that gay bar right next door to them to see if they really are tolerant.

[MiamiHeat]

or how about that ALL form of man made governments and free speech is a SIN and must be abolished?

it is a DUTY OF EVERY MUSLIM to do these things.


this is why Osama Bin Laden is a more faithful religious servant to Islam than a "peaceful" muslim is

[MiamiHeat]

That's why someone needs to build that gay bar right next door to them to see if they really are tolerant.

these obama apologists are so fucking stuck on their childish ideas of "WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT!" attitude. it spreads from homosexuality to this to anything else.

they have no fucking clue what islam is really about.

[ChumpDumper]

So you think every Muslim holds all of these beliefs?

[MiamiHeat]

So you think every Muslim holds all of these beliefs?

nope, there are good people who happen to be muslim and do not follow the quran

but the FACTS are FACTS AND CANNOT BE CHANGED

The Quran teaches and COMMANDS these things to every muslim.

if some peaceful, good hearted muslims choose to ignore it, that doesn't change what Islam is really about.


plus, I just told you about TAQIYA. Any muslim is told by the Quran that they can LIE TO YOU AND MANIPULATE ANY INFIDEL if it helps them or Islam. So maybe some of these people who say they do not believe these things, maybe some of them are LIARS

[ChumpDumper]

nope, there are good people who happen to be muslim and do not follow the quran

but the FACTS are FACTS AND CANNOT BE CHANGED

The Quran teaches and COMMANDS these things to every muslim.

if some peaceful, good hearted muslims choose to ignore it, that doesn't change what Islam is really about.


plus, I just told you about TAQIYA. Any muslim is told by the Quran that they can LIE TO YOU AND MANIPULATE ANY INFIDEL if it helps them or Islam. So maybe some of these people who say they do not believe these things, maybe some of them are LIARSSo how do you tell the peaceful, goodhearted ones from the liars?

[MiamiHeat]

On 19 November 2003, in the United States District Court Eastern District of Michigan Southern Division, Judge Steven Whalen concluded a four-page indictment against Mahmoud Youseff Kourani.

The indictment described Kourani as a dedicated member of Hezbollah who had received specialised training in radical Shiite fundamentalism, weaponry, spy craft and counter-intelligence in Lebanon and Iran and a dedicated member/fighter/recruiter and fundraiser for Hezbollah: (1)


"While in the United States,
Kourani employed 'taqiyya': a Shia
Muslim doctrine of concealment,
pretense and fraud. This meant
amongst other things that Kourani
would, when he thought it necessary,
avoid going to mosques, not
attend Shiite religious rituals, shave
his beard, and otherwise keep his
true beliefs secret while inside what
he considered to be hostile territory
--the United States of America."


This Cordoba House garbage by Imam whatever his name is .... this is just another fucking deception.

The goal of spreading more Mosques is to convert more people,

and by doing it THIS CLOSE TO GROUND ZERO, it is so fucking obvious what they are doing.

[MiamiHeat]

it must be stopped.

[ChumpDumper]

This Cordoba House garbage by Imam whatever his name is .... this is just another fucking deception.How do you know this?

You just said Muslims can be goodhearted and peaceful.

[MiamiHeat]

How do you know this?

You just said Muslims can be goodhearted and peaceful.

Good hearted peaceful people do NOT step on the sensitivity of others.

70% of americans oppose the Mosque at Ground Zero.

There are weekly demonstrations there, but he doesn't give a fuck. He is pushing through.


This signals to me that the location is very, very important to him. Why would it HAVE to be built there? If he was a good hearted, peaceful man, he would relocate, no big deal.

Nope. he wants to BUILD THERE. Fuck the demonstrators and sensitivities of 9/11.

then he names it the Cordoba House. Lawl.

Pretty clear what his objective is.

[ChumpDumper]

Good hearted peaceful people do NOT step on the sensitivity of others.That's your evidence?

Goodhearted people do that all the time.


70% of americans oppose the Mosque at Ground Zero.Good for them.


There are weekly demonstrations there, but he doesn't give a fuck. He is pushing through.Good for him.



This signals to me that the location is very, very important to him. Why would it HAVE to be built there? If he was a good hearted, peaceful man, he would relocate, no big deal.Perhaps he wants to build it there to actually prove it is no big deal.


Nope. he wants to BUILD THERE. Fuck the demonstrators and sensitivities of 9/11.

then he names it the Cordoba House. Lawl.

Pretty clear what his objective is.Yes, he is so obviously trying to deceive you that he intentionally picked a location and a name that would piss you off.

Diabolical.

It's nice to know that atheists can discriminate on the basis of religion.

[MiamiHeat]

none of your replies were a sufficient rebuttal to my statements

[ChumpDumper]

none of your replies were a sufficient rebuttal to my statementsYour statements are self-rebutting.

[MiamiHeat]

Your statements are self-rebutting.

lol no u

[ChumpDumper]

Here's your rebuttal:

You have no proof.

[resistanze]

Educate yourself before trying to sound like you know what you are talking about. That touch of "superior arrogance" you displayed is what is hilarious.

Homosexuality is denounced in the New Testament too.

Romans 1

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Doesn't change the fact that people look to the OT when passing judgment on others. You'll never see some one quote Jesus and the Gospels when they're ready to judge. I should've added that they'll usually skip right over to Paul (like you), where the vengeful, murderous God of the OT suddenly reappears after being completely absent during the life of Jesus.

You'd think creating a new religion separate from Judaism named after Jesus Christ would make the Gospels more important.

And please, I'm was born and raised a Roman Catholic. I don't need your closet Muslim ass teaching me Christian Scripture.

[Stringer_Bell]

Good hearted peaceful people do NOT step on the sensitivity of others.

70% of americans oppose the Mosque at Ground Zero.

There are weekly demonstrations there, but he doesn't give a fuck. He is pushing through.


This signals to me that the location is very, very important to him. Why would it HAVE to be built there? If he was a good hearted, peaceful man, he would relocate, no big deal.

Nope. he wants to BUILD THERE. Fuck the demonstrators and sensitivities of 9/11.

then he names it the Cordoba House. Lawl.

Pretty clear what his objective is.


So it's okay to bully the "mosque" owners into moving somewhere else? How about you bully the owner of the WTC over the fact that it's still a giant wound in the community after all these years? Those muslims bought the land fair and square, let them build whatever they want. This issue is just a distraction, c'mon yo.

[MiamiHeat]

So it's okay to bully the "mosque" owners into moving somewhere else? How about you bully the owner of the WTC over the fact that it's still a giant wound in the community after all these years? Those muslims bought the land fair and square, let them build whatever they want. This issue is just a distraction, c'mon yo.

It is a powerful ideological tool to recruit more terrorists and converts.

To build a mosque over your conquered enemy. Just like in Cordoba, Spain. Funny how he wants to name it that.

The symbolism is worth much more than whatever he has to pay for the building.

He can pretty much move anywhere else in the country. But he chose to build on on that one spot. Funny.

All of this support of this "imam" is sad. Go learn about Taqiya, go learn about who this man really is, watch his interviews from the past 10 years, read his transcripts.
For all the lip service he does, he has never come out to denounce Hezbollah or other terrorist organizations. It's all Islamic fraud to deceive the West.

[MiamiHeat]

lol @ someone calling me a closet muslim now

would like to know how anyone could come up with something like that from this thread

[Stringer_Bell]

It is a powerful ideological tool to recruit more terrorists and converts.

To build a mosque over your conquered enemy. Just like in Cordoba, Spain. Funny how he wants to name it that...He can pretty much move anywhere else in the country. But he chose to build on on that one spot. Funny.

If anything helps recruit terrorists, it's when they tell the young people, "SEE! You can't peacefully exist in the West. They will bitch and moan about "emotional wounds" while your cities have been blown to pieces and you've lived in occupation. They do not honor they're own laws, they are not the shining examples they pretend to be about - but we can make them examples." That's the kind of shit they are telling the kids, and even if they recruit 1 over AMERICA being butthurt about a community center with a prayer room...that's one too many and we should be ashamed for giving them the recruiting tools. The government knows this Imam, and you best believe they will watch that place like a hawk...not only for concerns about attracting fanatics, but also to protect them from the fanatics that believe they are cooperating with the evil West.

And yes, he can move the property anywhere in the country and name it Cordoba...it would still signal that the terrorists still pwned us and it would be their flag and much harder to cooperate with. Fuck the politics, gotta get real.

[ChumpDumper]

lol @ someone calling me a closet muslim now

would like to know how anyone could come up with something like that from this threadIt's clear you are practicing Taqiya.

It's plain as day.

You're a terrorist who is fomenting discord between the West and Islam..

[Banzai]

I wonder if New York will turn into London. Muslims in the UK want Sharia over there..of course it is a select few I believe.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The thought police are still out in full force today.. he thinks this, he said that,..blah,blah,blah..this is America where you can have your own views...

no one has answered the question,

what is insensitive about the mosque being built there? Specifically...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You know, its becoming quite clear that people like MiamiHeat, WC and all these dumb asses that are protesting the mosque are quite a bit more dangerous to what America stands for than any terrorist will ever be. Perhaps the CIA should invest some time into finding ways to fight idiocy. It'll certainly be cheaper than hunting terrorists and likely to save more lives in the long run.

[Blake]

Perhaps the CIA should invest some time into finding ways to fight idiocy. It'll certainly be cheaper than hunting terrorists and likely to save more lives in the long run.

It would have been tough for the CIA to pick a fight against Dubya.

[TeyshaBlue]

If anything helps recruit terrorists, it's when they tell the young people, "SEE! You can't peacefully exist in the West. They will bitch and moan about "emotional wounds" while your cities have been blown to pieces and you've lived in occupation. They do not honor they're own laws, they are not the shining examples they pretend to be about - but we can make them examples." That's the kind of shit they are telling the kids, and even if they recruit 1 over AMERICA being butthurt about a community center with a prayer room...that's one too many and we should be ashamed for giving them the recruiting tools. The government knows this Imam, and you best believe they will watch that place like a hawk...not only for concerns about attracting fanatics, but also to protect them from the fanatics that believe they are cooperating with the evil West.

And yes, he can move the property anywhere in the country and name it Cordoba...it would still signal that the terrorists still pwned us and it would be their flag and much harder to cooperate with. Fuck the politics, gotta get real.

^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^:toast

[DarrinS]

CBS Poll

Libs continue to be out of touch with most Americans.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/25/image6805662_1.gif





A majority of Americans don't think it is appropriate to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center two blocks from the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, according to a new CBS News poll.


Nearly three of four Americans -- 71 percent -- say building a mosque so close to the site is not appropriate while just 22 percent say it is appropriate.


How one views Islam informs how they feel about the proposed construction of the mosque near Ground Zero. Those who have a favorable opinion of Islam are more inclined to think the mosque is appropriate with 50 percent calling it appropriate and 42 percent saying it isn't. Those who view Islam unfavorably decidedly think it's inappropriate 88 percent going against it to 9 percent.


Nevertheless, most Americans also agree that the developers do have a right to build a mosque there. Sixty-seven percent say they do while 29 percent say they do not.


Overall, 24 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of Islam while far more -- 39 percent -- have an unfavorable opinion of the religion. Nearly as many-- 37 percent -- don't have an opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

Why does this community center threaten you, Darrin?

[Spurminator]

I'm glad I'm out of touch with stupidity.

[Blake]

CBS Poll

Libs continue to be out of touch with most Americans.






Nevertheless, most Americans also agree that the developers do have a right to build a mosque there.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm glad I'm out of touch with stupidity.Americans like DarrinS have the right to be stupid and prejudiced.

[DarrinS]

Americans like DarrinS have the right to be stupid and prejudiced.


In other news, liberal film student, Michael Enright, stabbed a Muslim cab driver in the throat, face, and arm.


http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/26/michael_enright_hate_diary


http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/26/michael_enright_hate_diary/md_horiz.jpg


I know you guys were hoping for one of those racist, Tea Baggers. Oh well.





Michael Enright, the raging drunk who nearly killed a Muslim cab-driver in Manhattan this week, is being held without bail following his arraignment on hate crime charges. Enright a film student, is finishing a documentary about marines serving in Afghanistan, where he was embedded earlier this year for 35 days.

Enright stabbed the man after an apparently civil conversation about the driver's Muslim faith. Then Enright allegedly yelled "this is the checkpoint," and slashed the drivers throat and arm.

According to friends, Enright was usually kind and mild-mannered. He volunteered with Intersections International, a liberal organization dedicated to religious tolerance and peace.

"The person who volunteered for us is a really good guy," Intersections International executive director Rev. Robert Chase told the media. "He's responsible, he's been generous, he's concerned about the issues in the world."

"He's a really nice guy to be around," a college friend told the New York Post. ""He's a great kid," a neighbor said.

But: Enright was arrested twice last year, for disorderly conduct and underage drinking. According to the Post: "College friends said Enright had been sober for the last year."

And a friend tells the Daily News that Enright had seemed troubled and angry since his return from Afghanistan.

The Daily News also reports that cops found a diary on Enright that was filled with anti-Muslim rantings:


When he was arrested Tuesday in midtown, Enright had a personal diary filled with pages of "pretty strong anti-Muslim comments," a police source said.

The source said Enright's journal equated Muslims with "killers, ungrateful for the help they were being offered, filthy murderers without a conscience."


So. He's a complicated character. Possible alcoholism, possible PTSD.

Ahmed Sharif, the driver, described the terrifying attack to the local media. He'll go to city hall to meet Mayor Bloomberg later today.

[DarrinS]

I don't understand the difference between moral and legal arguments.

[George Gervin's Afro]

no one has answered the question,

what is insensitive about the mosque being built there? Specifically...

[Blake]

Main Entry: moral
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: ethical, honest

Synonyms: aboveboard, blameless, chaste, conscientious, correct, courteous, decent, decorous, dutiful, elevated, exemplary, good, high-minded, honorable, immaculate, incorruptible, innocent, just, kindly, kosher*, laudable, meet, meritorious, modest, moralistic, noble, praiseworthy, principled, proper, pure, respectable, right, righteous, saintly, salt of the earth, scrupulous, seemly, square, straight, true-blue, trustworthy, truthful, upright, upstanding, virtuous, worthy

Notes: moral (noun) means the lesson or principle of a story or event - (adjective) relating to lessons or principles of right and wrong; morale is a state of individual psychological well-being based upon a sense of confidence and usefulness and purpose or the spirit of a group that makes the members want the group to succeed

Antonyms: amoral, bad, corrupt, dishonest, evil, immoral, sinful, unethical, unprincipled, vile


I don't understand the poll I posted.

[boutons_deux]

Just paranoid right-wingers seeing the COMMUNITY CENTER as reminder of how badly OBL beat America's ass, and beats it still today.

Right-wingers wrap themselves in the Constitution and "respect for the law" except when their ignorance and bigotry intervenes. "Get a brain, morans"

[George Gervin's Afro]

In other news, liberal film student, Michael Enright, stabbed a Muslim cab driver in the throat, face, and arm.


http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/26/michael_enright_hate_diary


http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/26/michael_enright_hate_diary/md_horiz.jpg


I know you guys were hoping for one of those racist, Tea Baggers. Oh well.




Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro


no one has answered the question,

what is insensitive about the mosque being built there? Specifically...

[clambake]

Just paranoid right-wingers seeing the COMMUNITY CENTER as reminder of how badly OBL beat America's ass, and beats it still today.

can't argue with that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I wonder if New York will turn into London. Muslims in the UK want Sharia over there..of course it is a select few I believe.

select few? they are a bunch of idiots who ran away from their land and resettled on another persons soil and forcing the ppl to adapt to them instead of these loaders adapting to the ppls value and constitution...fck that shit is also happening down here, why do we have to bend over for these ppl and immigrants who migrate and force us to adapt to their values.

i know ur country is already in the shits with the latin americans and spanish speaking wankers who chose not to learn english...argg the white man bending over....

[boutons_deux]

But I bet you right-wingers are OK with the "Christians" like pitbull bitch and other "Christian" theocratic supremacists wanting to replace the Constitution and all laws with the Bible, "forcing the (non-Christian) ppl to adapt to them" ???

[Blackjack]

This topic is the definition of "grey" and anyone that can take a position so firm as to dismiss the other argument, is being nothing more than a putz.

[DarrinS]

I don't understand that people can think something is legally right, but morally wrong.

[boutons_deux]

legal, ethical, moral, justice are only remotely related concepts, especially in practice, and totally disjoint for newly born Corporate-Americans, where profit trumps them all.

[Stringer_Bell]

CBS Poll

Libs continue to be out of touch with most Americans.

What do Libs have to do with the issue? It's not a political issue, it's a property issue and the developers involved agreed that they chose the right property to build on. If anything, it's the "conservatives" that are out of touch with the values they are supposed to offer the American people. "Conservatives" love shouting against regulation of environmental, banking, and property policies...but love regulating the private lives of citizens (abortion, gay marriage, WHERE THE FUCK THEY CAN GATHER FOR RELIGIOUS AND SOCIAL EVENTS BECAUSE THEY ACT BUTTHURT OVER THE ONLY MUSLIM TERROR ATTACK ON OUR SOIL). Are we to believe that "conservatives" are also in favor of telling the VFW that they can't have centers close to the Oklahoma City Bombing site (ya know, that Mcvey guy fought overseas, so we shouldn't let other dudes that fought overseas gather so close to the OKC Building). RiDICKulous and ASSinine. :king

Is building the community center with a prayer room a few blocks away from the abandoned WTC site a dick move? Yes, it is very dickly, especially the Cordoba name that's been circulating, but apparently the name has been changed to Park51

Is it against the law or so offensive to what our country stands for that it should even be an issue on the daily news cycle? No, not at all.

[DarrinS]

What do Libs have to do with the issue? It's not a political issue, it's a property issue and the developers involved agreed that they chose the right property to build on.


Stopped reading right there.

The majority believes they have the legal right to build there. No one is arguing that point.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Stopped reading right there.

The majority believes they have the legal right to build there. No one is arguing that point.


Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro


no one has answered the question,

what is insensitive about the mosque being built there? Specifically...

[Stringer_Bell]

Stopped reading right there.

The majority believes they have the legal right to build there. No one is arguing that point.

Keep reading, friend, then maybe you'll see that there's nothing to argue over at all and if you still think there is...then please formulate it into a few sentences so instead of graphs and articles. Tell us how you really feel. ;)

[Blake]

I still don't understand the poll I posted never mentioned any form of the word "moral"

[DarrinS]

In these pie charts, I don't understand what "appropriate" and "have a right" mean.


http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/25/image6805662_1.gif

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/25/image6805662_1.gif


Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro


no one has answered the question,

what is insensitive about the mosque being built there? Specifically...

[Blake]

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/25/image6805662_1.gif

I very clearly understand the difference between 'appropriate' and 'have a right'.

But that's not what you said. You used the word 'moral'.

'appropriate' ≠ 'moral'

[ChumpDumper]

In other news, liberal film student, Michael Enright, stabbed a Muslim cab driver in the throat, face, and arm.


http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/26/michael_enright_hate_diary


http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/26/michael_enright_hate_diary/md_horiz.jpg


I know you guys were hoping for one of those racist, Tea Baggers. Oh well.Hey, you voted for Obama and you are a stupid racist. Oh well.

[ChumpDumper]

Stopped reading right there.

The majority believes they have the legal right to build there. No one is arguing that point.No one is arguing any poll results except you.

Why does this community center with a prayer room threaten you personally so much that you must oppose its construction?

[clambake]

No one is arguing any poll results except you.

Why does this community center with a prayer room threaten you personally so much that you must oppose its construction?

islam only exists within bricks and mortar.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro


no one has answered the question,

what is insensitive about the mosque being built there? Specifically...

[ChumpDumper]

It will hurt the feelings of the strippers working up the block.

[Winehole23]

'appropriate' ≠ 'moral'In the strict sense no, perhaps, but in this case moral can be and almost surely is a codeword for looser tribal mores. You have to think in terms of voters activated by the slogan "Morals", rather than by any clear philosophical derivation of the word.

[Winehole23]

Morality as pop phenomenon.

[Stringer_Bell]

In the strict sense no, perhaps, but in this case moral can be and almost surely is a codeword for looser tribal mores. You have to think in terms of voters activated by the slogan "Morals", rather than any clean philosophical derivation of the word.

How dare you accuse the GOP of hijacking the English language to exude knee-jerk emotional reactions from people too stupid to have an informed opinion for themselves!

DarrinS, what is the point of your poll posting? What are you trying to show us?

[Winehole23]

How dare you accuse the GOP of hijacking the English language to exude knee-jerk emotional reactions from people too stupid to have an informed opinion for themselves!It's the imposition of their uninformed opinion on the rest of us that grates. Btw, I said nada wrt the GOP.

If in this case the tribal mores cast in with the GOP, god bless em!

[resistanze]

I heard OBL is going to attend the groundbreaking ceremony.

[cool cat]

No one is arguing any poll results except you.

Why does this community center with a prayer room threaten you personally so much that you must oppose its construction?

Stop spreading bad information it's a community center with a mosque.

[SnakeBoy]

Saudi judge considers punishment by paralysis








CAIRO — Amnesty International has spoken out against a Saudi judge who, earlier this week, asked hospitals in the country whether they cut the spinal cord of a man who was convicted of paralyzing another man in a fight.

"We urge the Saudi Arabian authorities not to carry out such a punishment, which amounts to nothing less than torture," Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui, director of Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa Program, said in a statement. "While those guilty of a crime should be held accountable, intentionally paralysing a man in this way would constitute torture, and be a breach of its international human rights obligations."

Earlier this week, the brother of the victim — Abdul-Aziz al-Mutairi, 22 — told the media that the judge in the case was making inquiries about the deliberate paralysis.

The convicted man in the case allegedly attacked al-Mutairi with a cleaver two years ago, leaving al-Mutairi paralyzed. Al-Mutairi subsequently lost one of his feet.

Al-Mutairi asked a judge in northwestern Tabuk province to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law, his brother Khaled al-Mutairi told The Associated Press by telephone from there.

He said one of the hospitals, located in Tabuk, responded that it is possible to damage the spinal cord, but it added that the operation would have to be done at another more specialized facility. Saudi newspapers reported that a second hospital in the capital Riyadh declined, saying it could not inflict such harm.

Administrative offices of two of the hospitals and the court in Tabuk were closed for the Saudi weekend beginning Thursday and could not be reached for comment.


This is scary, I find myself not thinking too poorly of the judges idea. Did I get some muslim on me? Am I going to become a terrist?

[Blake]

In the strict sense no, perhaps, but in this case moral can be and almost surely is a codeword for looser tribal mores. You have to think in terms of voters activated by the slogan "Morals", rather than by any clear philosophical derivation of the word.

I'm betting that CBS did not define the word 'appropriate' in that sense to the 1,082 random people in that telephone poll.

Inappropriate to my mom means wearing shorts to Sunday church.

[DarrinS]

This is scary, I find myself not thinking too poorly of the judges idea. Did I get some muslim on me? Am I going to become a terrist?


You may not be muslim or terrist, but you're fucked in the head if you agree with that judge.

[Winehole23]

Inappropriate to my mom means wearing shorts to Sunday church.Social mores. Bingo.

[DarrinS]

I'm betting that CBS did not define the word 'appropriate' in that sense to the 1,082 random people in that telephone poll.

Inappropriate to my mom means wearing shorts to Sunday church.


That's a good example. It's inappropriate for an Al Qaeda sympathizer to build a 15-story, 100 million dollar mega mosque at Ground Zero.

[Spurminator]

Al Qaeda sympathizer

:lol

[DarrinS]

Classy


Mega mosque supporter lefty nutjob curses out 82-year old Holocaust survivor.


MF_tL8m9e-c

[Spurminator]

Lots of class on both sides of that. So what? Congrats on showing that this is an emotional and often irrationally heated debate. Do you think this helps your anti-mosque position?

[DarrinS]

Lots of class on both sides of that. So what? Congrats on showing that this is an emotional and often irrationally heated debate. Do you think this helps your anti-mosque position?


I actually understand the other side's viewpoint and don't think they have sinister motives -- just because I disagree with them. I wish the other side had the same respect and tolerance for the opposing viewpoint. I guess it's just easier to call people racists or islamophobes.



EDIT> And I was raised to never, EVER disrespect a person that age, regardless of their political ideology.

[DarrinS]

:lol


Well, he thinks America was an accessory to 9/11 and said so on 60 minutes.

[doobs]

Wow, the mosque developers have really fostered some positive interfaith dialogue and "understanding"!

This was all foreseeable, IMO. I don't care if a mosque is built there, and I strongly support the developers' right to put whatever they want there consistent with the law. I'm disappointed in the public outcry against the mosque, but I'm not at all surprised. I doubt the developers are surprised, either.

[Spurminator]

Well, he thinks America was an accessory to 9/11 and said so on 60 minutes.

Yes we saw the video you posted, and it's a huge stretch to go from those comments to al-Queda sympathizer...

A lot of you guys really hate hearing that American foreign policy helped create America hating terrorist organizations, but it doesn't make it untrue, and saying so doesn't make one a terrorist sympathizer. Otherwise there would be a lot of terrorist sympathizers in this country.

I mean, it's kind of like calling me a car thief sympathizer if I say you leaving your car unlocked in a shady neighborhood overnight might have contributed to your car getting jacked.

[clambake]

A lot of you guys really hate hearing that American foreign policy helped create America hating terrorist organizations, but it doesn't make it untrue, and saying so doesn't make one a terrorist sympathizer.

darrin knows very little about american foreign policy and empire building.

he's just here to shout the latest cheer.

[fraga]

Classy


Mega mosque supporter lefty nutjob curses out 82-year old Holocaust survivor.


MF_tL8m9e-c

Oh my god...you found a video of ONE GUY...congratulations...

[DarrinS]

We deserved 9/11

[Stringer_Bell]

I mean, it's kind of like calling me a car thief sympathizer if I say you leaving your car unlocked in a shady neighborhood overnight might have contributed to your car getting jacked.

Now you're being inappropriate. +1 *hi-five*



Classy


Mega mosque supporter lefty nutjob curses out 82-year old Holocaust survivor.


MF_tL8m9e-c

The most classless thing in that video was when the cameraman stalked that dude after the argument and said "BRO! BRO! How does it feel to blah blah blah..." as if it would help the situation at all. What a self-righteous douche-bag...if he had any fucking balls he'd have stepped up to the plate earlier. Then he calls himself "an ordinary citizen." What spineless bullshit, someone take his youtube license away. Please.

The old man, who I'm sure is a pleasant dude when he's not protesting anything that he remotely thinks is related to Hamas, embarassed himself by saying the prayer room/community center would only be built over his and the other protestors dead bodies. That building is NOT worth dying over, and I have no idea how old one's mind must be depleted to think that is it worth two shits in the long run. Hearing "God Bless America" at the end and knowing the context in which they played it hurt me and reminded me of how easy it is to fool people into thinking they are doing the right thing. It's quite easy to turn good people into zombies. Never forget.

And seriously, DarrinS, show us a youtube or newspaper quote with the Imam dude saying we deserved 9/11. All these wanna-be patriotic fucks pretend 9/11 means something to them as individuals but they only want to turn the world into "us vs them." I'm not saying it can't be "us AND them", at some point we have to seperate ourselves from crazy religious fanatics and dictators and human rights violators, but when both sides are full of loonies there's no reason to stand on the "US" side or the "THEM" side and I just wanna say "Fuck you all, you greedy cunts" and take my kids and baby mammas to live with me somewhere in Tahiti for the rest of my life.

Fuck. :depressed

PS: Oops on the DarrinS "we deserved it" quote. I didn't notice clambake was the one quoted. But really, please show us where the Imam dude has been a terrorist sympathizer.

[Winehole23]

I actually understand the other side's viewpoint and don't think they have sinister motives -- just because I disagree with them. I wish the other side had the same respect and tolerance for the opposing viewpoint. I guess it's just easier to call people racists or islamophobes.Hurt feelings because your adversaries lack tolerance for your differing viewpoints?

Boo fucking hoo. Since when did you ever care about tolerance and respect, mister fister (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4399195&postcount=9)?

EDIT> And I was raised to never, EVER disrespect a person that age, regardless of their political ideology.Btw, at what age is still ok to disrespect people?

[Winehole23]

It's obvious you must draw the line somewhere.

[clambake]

PS: Oops on the DarrinS "we deserved it" quote. I didn't notice clambake was the one quoted.

you just got owned........by darrin :depressed

[Winehole23]

everyone goofs now and then.

[MiamiHeat]

So essentially these misguided supporters are claiming that this Imam and the people behind the mosque project are not faithful followers of the Quran?

I posted specific, clear as day statements from the Quran, mandates and duties to every muslim.

Islam is a violent, intolerant religion to it's core, period. The objective is quite clear - to spread Shari'a Law to every part of the globe, and to do so by LYING is perfectly ok.

This is why a muslim can quote you a "peaceful" earlier quote from the Quran, but ignore telling you the later violent quotes. He can lie right to your face. He can do whatever he wants to protect Islam and help to spread it.

Are any of you familiar with the fundraising scandals in the United States? An example - a muslim group raised money in the USA for children abroad, and turned around and gave the money to fund terrorist organizations.

They can do this and be COMPLETELY WITHIN THEIR RELIGION'S ETHICS.

This is why barely any muslim will come out and condemn Hamas or Hezbollah.

Even this Imam behind the Cordoba project has refused to condemn Hezbollah.

[MiamiHeat]

its quite clear some of you are completely ignorant of the muslim way.

[Winehole23]

So now it's ok to say it's a crusade. A war of civilizations, as originally stipulated by Osama. Interesting.

[Yonivore]

its quite clear some of you are completely ignorant of the muslim way.
It's a choice.

[The Reckoning]

miamiheat is clearly in the closet about his moorish ways

[ChumpDumper]

Well, he thinks America was an accessory to 9/11 and said so on 60 minutes.Glenn Beck said the same thing.

I can't believe you haven't seen it.

It's on YouTube!

[ChumpDumper]

This is why barely any muslim will come out and condemn Hamas or Hezbollah.

Even this Imam behind the Cordoba project has refused to condemn Hezbollah.So why doesn't he just lie and deceive you about Hezbollah?

It's clear you are a terrorist spreading lies.

You lie about being an atheist.

[DarrinS]

Now you're being inappropriate. +1 *hi-five*




The most classless thing in that video was when the cameraman stalked that dude after the argument and said "BRO! BRO! How does it feel to blah blah blah..." as if it would help the situation at all. What a self-righteous douche-bag...if he had any fucking balls he'd have stepped up to the plate earlier. Then he calls himself "an ordinary citizen." What spineless bullshit, someone take his youtube license away. Please.

The old man, who I'm sure is a pleasant dude when he's not protesting anything that he remotely thinks is related to Hamas, embarassed himself by saying the prayer room/community center would only be built over his and the other protestors dead bodies. That building is NOT worth dying over, and I have no idea how old one's mind must be depleted to think that is it worth two shits in the long run. Hearing "God Bless America" at the end and knowing the context in which they played it hurt me and reminded me of how easy it is to fool people into thinking they are doing the right thing. It's quite easy to turn good people into zombies. Never forget.

And seriously, DarrinS, show us a youtube or newspaper quote with the Imam dude saying we deserved 9/11. All these wanna-be patriotic fucks pretend 9/11 means something to them as individuals but they only want to turn the world into "us vs them." I'm not saying it can't be "us AND them", at some point we have to seperate ourselves from crazy religious fanatics and dictators and human rights violators, but when both sides are full of loonies there's no reason to stand on the "US" side or the "THEM" side and I just wanna say "Fuck you all, you greedy cunts" and take my kids and baby mammas to live with me somewhere in Tahiti for the rest of my life.

Fuck. :depressed

PS: Oops on the DarrinS "we deserved it" quote. I didn't notice clambake was the one quoted. But really, please show us where the Imam dude has been a terrorist sympathizer.



Sounds like you wish you were the one cursing out the octogenarian.

[jack sommerset]

Are they going to open the mosque on 9.11.11?

[DarrinS]

Hurt feelings because your adversaries lack tolerance for your differing viewpoints?

Boo fucking hoo. Since when did you ever care about tolerance and respect, mister fister (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4399195&postcount=9)?



Thanks WH. That made me laugh again. Please click on that link and see who I was responding to.




Btw, at what age is still ok to disrespect people?


Actually, you made me think about that. I wouldn't ever feel confortable cursing at someone like that, regardless of age.

[Winehole23]

But calling people terrorist sympathizers is cool?

[DarrinS]

Are they going to open the mosque on 9.11.11?



I really think that would be apropos. What better way to bring unity between Christian, Jew, and Muslim, but by doing a ribbon cutting on the enormous "Fuck You America" mega mosque on 9/11. It certainly is bringing people together now.

[DarrinS]

But calling people terrorist sympathizers is cool?


Maybe sympathizer is too strong? What is another word for someone who understands the motives of terrorists and thinks they are justified in their actions?

[jack sommerset]

I really think that would be apropos. What better way to bring unity between Christian, Jew, and Muslim, but by doing a ribbon cutting on the enormous "Fuck You America" mega mosque on 9/11. It certainly is bringing people together now.

Me too. After the cermony lets fly a f-16 into it and really bring this nation together!

[Blake]

That's a good example. It's inappropriate for an Al Qaeda sympathizer to build a 15-story, 100 million dollar mega mosque at Ground Zero.

awesome.

Now explain how it's immoral.

[DarrinS]

awesome.

Now explain how it's immoral.


Fucking nit-pickers. How about, it's in bad taste?

[Winehole23]

Maybe sympathizer is too strong? What is another word for someone who understands the motives of terrorists and thinks they are justified in their actions?You think clambake said terrorists are justified?

[Blake]

Fucking nit-pickers.

How about, it's in bad taste?

:lol Fucking backtrackers.

So your real issue is that it's in bad taste?

Tell us how you feel about flag burners.

[LnGrrrR]

Well, he thinks America was an accessory to 9/11 and said so on 60 minutes.

Saying that America is an accessory is not the same as sympathizing with Al Qaeda, though. There have been other people in the public eye who have argued that the reason we are targeted is because we are already involved in that area, and if we were to pull out, they would turn their tensions/aggressions on each other.

I think it's reasonable that one might state that American's inventionism leads to their being targeted more often, while still finding the methods of terrorists deplorable.

[LnGrrrR]

I really think that would be apropos. What better way to bring unity between Christian, Jew, and Muslim, but by doing a ribbon cutting on the enormous "Fuck You America" mega mosque on 9/11. It certainly is bringing people together now.

Yes, because the mosque was explicity designed not as an area for Muslim men and women to congregate, but as a giant middle finger to the country at large.

[LnGrrrR]

You think clambake said terrorists are justified?

Cmon now WH. If you take strawmen away from DarrinS, he'd only post twice a year.

[Winehole23]

(Social!)

:toast

[Winehole23]

(everybody drinks)

[LnGrrrR]

(everybody drinks)

We really should create a Spurstalk drinking game. Drink once when:

DarrinS posts a youtube
WC questions the validity of a source
Boutons says at least ten curse words in a single post
When Chump responds to a post with only questions

Drink twice when:

DarrinS is the first to mention race in a thread
WC argues that others opinions are invalid/wrong
WH23 posts three successive posts in a row
FWDT posts a legal argument

Drink until you're dead when:

Boutons supports a Republican in a Congressional race

[DarrinS]

Saying that America is an accessory is not the same as sympathizing with Al Qaeda, though. There have been other people in the public eye who have argued that the reason we are targeted is because we are already involved in that area, and if we were to pull out, they would turn their tensions/aggressions on each other.

I think it's reasonable that one might state that American's inventionism leads to their being targeted more often, while still finding the methods of terrorists deplorable.


I think that Israel's pulling out of Gaza in 2005 pretty much blows that theory out of the water.

[jack sommerset]

We really should create a Spurstalk drinking game. Drink once when:

DarrinS posts a youtube
WC questions the validity of a source
Boutons says at least ten curse words in a single post
When Chump responds to a post with only questions

Drink twice when:

DarrinS is the first to mention race in a thread
WC argues that others opinions are invalid/wrong
WH23 posts three successive posts in a row
FWDT posts a legal argument

Drink until you're dead when:

Boutons supports a Republican in a Congressional race

The Chump rule of the game would kill anyone that participated in this game alone.

[Winehole23]

I think that Israel's pulling out of Gaza in 2005 pretty much blows that theory out of the water.Of much greater import were the free elections the US insisted on. That was the proximate cause of Hamas rising to power. They were allowed on the ballot and won.

[DarrinS]

Of much greater import were the free elections the US insisted on. That was the proximate cause of Hamas rising to power. They were allowed on the ballot and won.



Well, when Israel pulled out, there were no more attacks, right?

[Winehole23]

The Chump rule of the game would kill anyone that participated in this game alone.It could be fatal to a casual or weekend drinker.

I think jack raises a valid point, LNGR.













(social!)

:toast

[Winehole23]

Well, when Israel pulled out, there were no more attacks, right?Not claimed anywhere in this thread that I'm aware of.

[DarrinS]

The Chump rule of the game would kill anyone that participated in this game alone.


Take a drink every time CumDumpster asks a rhetorical question (that even he won't answer) and you'll have alcohol poisoning by page 2.

[Winehole23]

^^^Pure class, as ever.

[Winehole23]

I'm surprised you'd even go there, D. Are you doing whippets?

[DarrinS]

Not claimed anywhere in this thread that I'm aware of.


Ok. But it has been claimed, by both the friendly imam of the ground zero mosque and by board hacks, that US foreign policy is the root of islamo-terrorism.

I think that isolationist conservatives like Pat Buchanan also share this philosophy.

Do you agree?

Basically, the US removes their footprinit from the ME and allows Israel to get annihilated, and all will be right in the world.

[DarrinS]

I'm surprised you'd even go there, D. Are you doing whippets?

WTF are whippets? Is that something you, cumdumpster, and boutons_douche endulge in, whilst clambake takes photos?

[MannyIsGod]

Hey when did Israel leave the West Bank? Who claimed leaving Gaza would stop the situation?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Shariah!

[Winehole23]

Ok. But it has been claimed, by both the friendly imam of the ground zero mosque and by board hacks, that US foreign policy is the root of islamo-terrorism.It's part of the explanation. They're over here, in part, because we're over there.


I think that isolationist conservatives like Pat Buchanan also share this philosophy.

Do you agree?Guess you kick a lot of people into that ditch you dug for em. I don't consider myself a nativist a la Buchanan. His nationalism is also to a certain degree bullcorn IMO.



Basically, the US removes their footprinit from the ME and allows Israel to get annihilated, and all will be right in the world.No one actually says this, Darrin.

Accuracy counts, dude. Please consider that when choosing yr rhetorical scarecrow.

[Winehole23]

WTF are whippets? You might recall the relevant scenes in Blue Velvet where Frank Booth huffs nitrous oxide. It's something like that.

zEHesuSxLmQ

[Winehole23]

Stop fapping the fear and assess the situation, dude.

Breathe. Relax.

[Winehole23]

Israel has nukes. Everyone knows this. It's a powerful deterrent.

[Mikesatx]

The American Way allows for speech, religion, hate etc. Allow the mosque and if Muslims practice their faith outside of the context of our laws then prosecute. If an ignorant individual or group decide to take matters into their own hands and murder, maim or terrorize the Muslims then prosecute them.

[Blake]

We really should create a Spurstalk drinking game. Drink once when:

DarrinS posts a youtube
WC questions the validity of a source
Boutons says at least ten curse words in a single post
When Chump responds to a post with only questions



Galileo starts a bat shit crazy thread nobody cares about regarding 9/11, Rand/Ron Paul, his radio show or the actual Galileo

[clambake]

finally, darrin speaks.

unfortunate.

[LnGrrrR]

Ok. But it has been claimed, by both the friendly imam of the ground zero mosque and by board hacks, that US foreign policy is the root of islamo-terrorism.

I think that isolationist conservatives like Pat Buchanan also share this philosophy.

Do you agree?

Basically, the US removes their footprinit from the ME and allows Israel to get annihilated, and all will be right in the world.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree. (I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle... less intervention, but not complete elimination).

However, one can think America causes its own problems without supporting/sympathizing with terrorists. After all, no one would say Buchanan sympathized with terrorists, correct?

[LnGrrrR]

Galileo starts a bat shit crazy thread nobody cares about regarding 9/11, Rand/Ron Paul, his radio show or the actual Galileo

:lol Good addition.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, he thinks America was an accessory to 9/11 and said so on 60 minutes.Well Darrin, you're a liar.


I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened, but United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.


Did we deserve 9/11? No. But were we minding our business? No. Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems.

The only difference between these two statements is the religion of those who made the statements.

That is why you are an Islamophobe.

[Blake]

:lol Good addition.

I forgot to add "Founding Fathers" to his list.

[DarrinS]

Well Darrin, you're a liar.



6DMhzsUKr2s

[ChumpDumper]

6DMhzsUKr2sHey Darrin, I already posted the quote for people who can read.

You're a liar and a bigot.

[DarrinS]

Hey Darrin, I already posted the quote for people who can read.

You're a liar and a bigot.


<sigh> <yawn>

[ChumpDumper]

<sigh> <yawn>Then tell us all the difference between Rauf's statement and Beck's that doesn't have to do with Rauf's religion.

[TeyshaBlue]

Well Darrin, you're a liar.





The only difference between these two statements is the religion of those who made the statements.

That is why you are an Islamophobe.

Whoa...those quotes are carbon copies of each other.:toast

[George Gervin's Afro]

darrins won't man up and admit that because the terrorists were muslims he doesn't want a muslim place of worship near ground zero.

[Winehole23]

The only question is who got out-trolled. It's a troll v. troll encounter.

[jack sommerset]

Whoa...those quotes are carbon copies of each other.:toast

One says the USA is an accessory to 9/11 and the other says we didn't deserve 9/11. Don't see it.

[Winehole23]

(burp)

[Spurminator]

He keeps posting the video, getting rebutted, then ignoring the rebuttal and posting the video again a few pages later.

[Winehole23]

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[ChumpDumper]

One says the USA is an accessory to 9/11 and the other says we didn't deserve 9/11. Don't see it.Well jack, you're a liar.


I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened


Did we deserve 9/11? No.
Or you're just very stupid.

[TeyshaBlue]

One says the USA is an accessory to 9/11 and the other says we didn't deserve 9/11. Don't see it.

"Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems."

The implication here is 9-11 was a problem.

[DarrinS]

Is Glen Beck building a 100 million dollar mosque at Ground Zero?


By the way, fuck Glen Beck.

[ChumpDumper]

Is Glen Beck building a 100 million dollar mosque at Ground Zero?So the only difference you can cite is the religion of the speaker.

That is why you are a bigot and an Islamophobe.


By the way, fuck Glen Beck.Looks like Glenn Beck fucked you this time.

[TeyshaBlue]

Is Glen Beck building a 100 million dollar mosque at Ground Zero?


By the way, fuck Glen Beck.

The statements stand regardless of what window dressing you want to place on them.

Do you not see importance of neoconservatism and Muslim ideaologies merging?

[DarrinS]

The statements stand regardless of what window dressing you want to place on them.

Do you not see importance of neoconservatism and Muslim ideaologies merging?


Pat Buchanon probably said the same thing. He's also not building a mega mosque at Ground Zero.

[George Gervin's Afro]

darrins won't man up and admit that because the terrorists were muslims he doesn't want a muslim place of worship near ground zero.

[LnGrrrR]

Darrin, care to respond on whether or not you think Buchanan is a terrorist sympathizer? Or, given Chump's quote, whether Glenn Beck is?

[TeyshaBlue]

Pat Buchanon probably said the same thing. He's also not building a mega mosque at Ground Zero.

What Pat B is doing is still as irrelevant as what Beck or Rauf are doing.

The statements stand alone, Darrin, without needed editorial context placed by someone who is desperately trying to make a weakly wobbling point.

[jack sommerset]

"Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems."

The implication here is 9-11 was a problem.

It doesn't mean we were an accessory to 9/11. Not even close.

[jack sommerset]

Well jack, you're a liar.




Or you're just very stupid.

You need to get out of here. It's rotten your brain.

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't mean we were an accessory to 9/11. Not even close.Take it up with Glenn Beck. That's what he said.

[Winehole23]

Dane bramage to the max, jack. Rotten your day.

[ChumpDumper]

You need to get out of here. It's rotten your brain.What is your excuse for not being able to understand the stark similarities of those two statements?

I will accept stupidity....

....unless you are lying, which I am admittedly more inclined to believe.

[TeyshaBlue]

It doesn't mean we were an accessory to 9/11. Not even close.

The statements "United States policies were an accessory to..." is exactly the same as "Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems."

Both statements follow the same chain of causation. They are functionally identical. Don't get hung up on nomenclature unless you want WC to come busting into this discussion.

I think the argument is valid that our policies in the M.E. predicated the terror attacks on us. I'm not justifying it in anyway, and neither are Beck or Rauf. The observation stands independent of justification, Jack. Stop trying to link them....that's the insane fallacy that drives much of the lunacy around the debate concerning the Muslim center.

*edit* Stupid brain. Replaced "Blame" with "justification".

[jack sommerset]

What is your excuse for not being able to understand the stark similarities of those two statements?

I will accept stupidity....

....unless you are lying, which I am admittedly more inclined to believe.

Right back at you.


You're trying to hard lately. Take a break.

[jack sommerset]

The statements "United States policies were an accessory to..." is exactly the same as "Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems."

Both statements follow the same chain of causation. They are functionally identical. Don't get hung up on nomenclature unless you want WC to come busting into this discussion.

I think the argument is valid that our policies in the M.E. predicated the terror attacks on us. I'm not justifying it in anyway, and neither are Beck or Rauf. The observation stands independent of justification, Jack. Stop trying to link them....that's the insane fallacy that drives much of the lunacy around the debate concerning the Muslim center.

*edit* Stupid brain. Replaced "Blame" with "justification".

You make a nice case but sorry it doesn't cut the mustard.

[LnGrrrR]

Jack, since to you there's an obvious difference, would you care to explain the difference between the two statements?

[ChumpDumper]

You're trying to hard lately. Take a break.I didn't have to try hard at all -- just copied and pasted two quotes and exposed you and Darrin as the bigots you are.

It was quite easy.

[jack sommerset]

Jack, since to you there's an obvious difference, would you care to explain the difference between the two statements?

One said USA was an accessory to 9/11 the other one did not. There is nothing else to explain.

[LnGrrrR]

One said USA was an accessory to 9/11 the other one did not. There is nothing else to explain.

So, if I said that one person was an accessory to a crime, and I said another person was partially responsible for a crime by committing actions that helped lead to the crime, would that be the same thing?

[jack sommerset]

So, if I said that one person was an accessory to a crime, and I said another person was partially responsible for a crime by committing actions that helped lead to the crime, would that be the same thing?

You're complicating it. One said the USA was an accessory to 9/11, the other did not.

[ChumpDumper]

You're complicating it. One said the USA was an accessory to 9/11, the other did not.It's ok, jack.

You are incapable of understanding words.

[jack sommerset]

You are insecure. Take a break. You owe yourself that.

Blame the girl in the mini-skirt for being raped. Nice trolling douchebag.

[ChumpDumper]

You are insecure. Take a break. You owe yourself that.No need. You don't that there is more than one way to say something.

Example:

1) jack is stupid.

2) jack's intelligence level is embarrassingly low.

You see, I said the same thing with different words.


Blame the girl in the mini-skirt for being raped. Nice trolling douchebag.If you have a problem with what Glenn Beck said, take it up with Glenn Beck.

[Blake]

You are insecure. Take a break. You owe yourself that.

Blame the girl in the mini-skirt for being raped. Nice trolling douchebag.


You were proven wrong in the court of public opinion but continue to claim that everyone is wrong.

If anyone is trolling it's you.

[jack sommerset]

ROLMFA.

You two fags should fuck and end this charade.

[Blake]

ROLMFA.

You two fags should fuck and end this charade.

:lol silly troll!

You're a silly idiot!

[ChumpDumper]

ROLMFA.

You two fags should fuck and end this charade.There is the dropping of the other shoe.

jack is stupid and compulsively expresses his visions of men engaged in homosexual activity with no solicitation or prompting.

[jack sommerset]

There is the dropping of the other shoe.

jack is stupid and compulsively expresses his visions of men engaged in homosexual activity with no solicitation or prompting.

Stop it. You are turning Blake on harcore. Ask him to cum to your government funding apartment and suck your 3 inch cock. He'll be there in a heartbeat. Quit teasing him.

[4>0rings]

I hope they build it there.

































I also hope some white christian fanatic goes suicide bomber in it afterwards.

[ChumpDumper]

Stop it. You are turning Blake on harcore. Ask him to cum to your government funding apartment and suck your 3 inch cock. He'll be there in a heartbeat. Quit teasing him.You should really see a therapist.

Of just go to a gay bar.

It is amusing that your response to being proved to be rather stupid and incapable of actual discussion is to retreat into a homosexual fantasy land of your own making. My only question is why you choose to include posters on this message board as the objects of your fantasies.

[jack sommerset]

Will one of you two fags tell me how Beck said USA was an accessory to 9/11. Until then I have to assume you two trolls are sucking each other cocks trolling as one.

[Blake]

Will one of you two fags tell me how Beck said USA was an accessory to 9/11. Until then I have to assume you two trolls are sucking each other cocks trolling as one.


Teysha answered you pretty well.


The statements "United States policies were an accessory to..." is exactly the same as "Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems."

Both statements follow the same chain of causation. They are functionally identical. Don't get hung up on nomenclature unless you want WC to come busting into this discussion.

I think the argument is valid that our policies in the M.E. predicated the terror attacks on us. I'm not justifying it in anyway, and neither are Beck or Rauf. The observation stands independent of justification, Jack. Stop trying to link them....that's the insane fallacy that drives much of the lunacy around the debate concerning the Muslim center.

*edit* Stupid brain. Replaced "Blame" with "justification".

You are just trolling with your usual troll gay/fag junk talk, troll.

:lol Stupid troll.

[ChumpDumper]

Will one of you two fags tell me how Beck said USA was an accessory to 9/11.Thanks for admitting you are too stupid to discern it for yourself.

As was noted, it has already been spoon fed to you and you still con't comprehend it. That is your problem.


Until then I have to assume you two trolls are sucking each other cocks trolling as one.You've made it pretty clear you are going to fantasize about me no matter what.

[jack sommerset]

Chump and Blake. Please exchange info so you two can swallow each other loads.

[ChumpDumper]

jack. Please find another outlet for your not-so-latent homosexuality.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The gayest thing about super long spurstalk political threads like this is that they take too much effort to read through to discern the direct opinions of the chumpdumpers, gtowns, marcus bryants, and extra stouts of the forum.

[jack sommerset]

jack. Please find another outlet for your not-so-latent homosexuality.

Get a job. You might find the guy of your dreams. Trolling spewstalk political forum only deludes your gay fantasies. Just ask Blake for his number. You two have alot in common, gay wise.

[DMX7]

Jack is having a full blown coming out party. No pun intended.

[jack sommerset]

Be very careful DMX on what you say: "they" might be Chump and Blake with your asshole marking the spot.

[Winehole23]

The gayest thing about super long spurstalk political threads like this is that they take too much effort to read through to discern the direct opinions of the chumpdumpers, gtowns, marcus bryants, and extra stouts of the forum.ES still posts here?

Where?
(Hi-skool Security not included)

[Winehole23]

Do you not see importance of neoconservatism and Muslim ideologies merging?The war of civilizations that the Bush administration was at pains to dismiss after GWB's crusade gaffe, is now an accepted novena (http://www.catholicdoors.com/prayers/novena.htm) in Bushlandia.

[Winehole23]

Resemble what you hate. It's a very old theme.

[Winehole23]

(buuuuurrrrrrrrrrrr-p!)

[ChumpDumper]

Get a job.Got one.
You might find the guy of your dreams.Do not want.
Trolling spewstalk political forum only deludes your gay fantasies.The only gay fantasies expressed in this thread are yours.
Just ask Blake for his number.Do not want.
You two have alot in common, gay wise.As in we are both not gay but you wish we were for the purposes of your forbidden desires, yes.

[Bartleby]

(buuuuurrrrrrrrrrrr-p!)

Ignatius Reilly, is that you?