Osama Dead Or Captured?!?!?!?

[Isitjustme?]

http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg

[ducks]

so the president knew since last aug he was there
and last week he thought he better do something
about time

[Cant_Be_Faded]

http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg

croflcrofl

[MannyIsGod]

@rafat
Rafat Ali
Most Pakistani TV analysts now berating own govt for failure on not knowing Osama's location before.

[DesignatedT]

RT @FakeCoachPop: Now you know why I lost game 6, I had some business to take care of.


LOL

:lol

[EVAY]

I had to laugh at the folks in front of the White House singing that "Sha-na-na-hey-hey, good-bye."

[Leetonidas]

CIA Pop.................

[EVAY]

I'm so happy for all the people who have worked on this for so long for so many years.
Congratulations to all you guys and gals!!

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think I understood how bad as a country we needed good news until tonight.

[Leetonidas]

Maybe the price of oil will go down now :lol

[BRHornet45]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2cgj2g2.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

CSPAN is showing pictures of the house i think

Yep, the google link in this thread appears to be legit.

Large compound with high walls on all sides.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34.146439,73.216887&num=1&t=h&sll=34.146667,73.216389&sspn=0.073891,0.128059&gl=us&ie=UTF8&ll=34.14635,73.217308&spn=0.001376,0.002666&z=19

[ducks]

Obama said he was told last August that the United States had developed a possible lead on bin Laden - intelligence on bin Laden hiding in a compound in Pakistan. Obama said he determined last week that the United States had actionable intelligence.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/02/typo-msnbc-correspondent-accidentally-reports-on-twitter-that-obama-killed/

MSNBC Reporter reports Obama shot and killed...

[ducks]

Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed by U.S. forces in a mansion outside the Pakistani capital of Islamabad along with other family members, a senior U.S. official tells CNN.

[MannyIsGod]

RT @AP_Mobile: BREAKING: US ensuring bin Laden's body is handled in accordance with Islamic tradition, official says.

[024]

all this time he was hiding in a mansion...

[baseline bum]

CNN is showing the compound right now!

[MannyIsGod]

CNN showing video of the compound burning.

[baseline bum]

Let that motherfucker burn!

[LnGrrrR]

There was a bounty on Osama, will the SEALS get it?

Nope.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

Wow, it's burning

[Wild Cobra]

Nope.
They sure could party well if they did!

[ElNono]

The roof... the roof... the roof is on fire...

[101A]

May 1st 1945 Hitler confirmed dead. May 1st 2011, Bin Laden confirmed dead.

!66! Years!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

RT @AP_Mobile: BREAKING: US ensuring bin Laden's body is handled in accordance with Islamic tradition, official says.

That's bull shit. We should go medieval british on his corpse and hang up his body parts in the corners of the country

[MannyIsGod]

People in NYC on the street lights. :lol

Jesus people celebrate by climbing shit.

[ElNono]

That's bull shit. We should go medieval british on his corpse and hang up his body parts in the corners of the country

Agreed. We should go Abu Ghraib on it...

[ploto]

Woman that was used as a human shield for Osama was killed.

F-ing coward

[silverblk mystix]

The way that Police departments are required to videotape their dealings with the public...I wouldn't be surprised to someday find that this shootout was filmed.

Somewhere, the U.S. gov't is rushing to stop anyone from leaking this.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That's bull shit. We should go medieval british on his corpse and hang up his body parts in the corners of the country

I was thinking more like take it out and dump it in a hog pen and let them feed.


LOL at Al Jazeera showing the compound burning.

[Wild Cobra]

Limit travel alerts, and I'll be of two airplanes tomorrow...

[ChumpDumper]

That's bull shit. We should go medieval british on his corpse and hang up his body parts in the corners of the countryNo need to supermartyr the guy.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The way that Police departments are required to videotape their dealings with the public...I wouldn't be surprised to someday find that this shootout was filmed.

Somewhere, the U.S. gov't is rushing to stop anyone from leaking this.

Our Special Ops team videos their operations (mini-cams on one or more troops).

The helicopters have video as well. This raid will likely be kept under lock and key for a long time until anyone involved with it is dead (like 70-80 years), don't want to have to worry about retribution for those involved.

More details - we didn't share details on this with Pakistan until we were done. Clearly we didn't trust them.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

No need to supermartyr the guy.

Seriously though going out of our way to treat him like a muslim is still bull shit, this is a guy who used a woman as a human shield in his final seconds

[MannyIsGod]

Our Special Ops team videos their operations (mini-cams on one or more troops).

The helicopters have video as well. This raid will likely be kept under lock and key for a long time until anyone involved with it is dead (like 70-80 years), don't want to have to worry about retribution for those involved.

More details - we didn't share details on this with Pakistan until we were done. Clearly we didn't trust them.

Yeah - fuck giving them a heads up. Obviously they were hiding the son of a bitch. Telling them would have been STUPID.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously though going out of our way to treat him like a muslim is still bull shit, this is a guy who used a woman as a human shield in his final secondsRight, we're better than that.

Aren't we?

[MannyIsGod]

Pretty god damn fucked up he used a woman as a human shield. Fucking dipshit coward.

[ducks]

his body should be on displayed for 2 weeks then burned

[baseline bum]

I don't care what they do with the body. All I care is the motherfucker ain't breathing anymore.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Right, we're better than that.

Aren't we?

We are at war, CD. The more time goes by, the more I'm understanding whottt's old take that we should have threaten to nuke Mecca. There was a method to his madness.

*edit* I understood that he wanted to threaten to nuke Mecca at that time

[ElNono]

Yeah - fuck giving them a heads up. Obviously they were hiding the son of a bitch. Telling them would have been STUPID.

We're going to have to deal with Pakistan in the long run... might aswell get started...

[symple19]

I like the hog pen idea, crofl

[024]

for someone who trumpeted islamic austerity, he was hiding in a fucking mansion. good job by the intelligence officers and special forces.

[ChumpDumper]

We are at war, CD. The more time goes by, the more I'm understanding whottt's old take that we should threaten to nuke Mecca. There was a method to his madness.With whom are we at war?

[TDMVPDPOY]

US Govt payin kickbacks to pakistan, who was sheltering bin laden to milk more money

if you follow the money, someone must have benefited the longer the war continued....

conspiracy theory anyone?


ps. compound with no internet or phone line...bullshit, bin laden was leechin wireless

[LnGrrrR]

They sure could party well if they did!

Pretty sure their XO is going to buy them a few drinks. :lol

[symple19]

Oh god, Geraldo is down with the crowd in front of the WH


lol chicks going, "Woooooo he's dead, woooooooooooooooo"

[Cant_Be_Faded]

With whom are we at war?

Yeah chump, keep trying to dump. We are at war. We've already been torturing, we've killed and changed so many muslim lives, so now we're gonna make sure we treat his corpse all muslim-like? OBL's???

It's stupid, and bull shit.

But dump me again, make sure to use as few syllables as possible

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah chump, keep trying to dump. We are at war. We've already been torturing, we've killed and changed so many muslim lives, so now we're gonna make sure we treat his corpse all muslim-like? OBL's???

It's stupid, and bull shit.

But dump me again, make sure to use as few syllables as possibleYou didn't answer the question.

With whom are we at war?

[Wild Cobra]

Pretty sure their XO is going to buy them a few drinks. :lol
Be a pretty shitty XO if he didn't.

[ducks]

You didn't answer the question.

With whom are we at war?

are you that stupid you do not know

[LnGrrrR]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2cgj2g2.jpg

:lmao

[Cant_Be_Faded]

You didn't answer the question.

With whom are we at war?

iraq
al qaeda
afghanistan
qaddafi
taliban

in all of their nebulous glory

Fuck OBL's body I hope those SEALS pissed on it

[ChumpDumper]

are you that stupid you do not knowThen it will be easy for you to tell me with whom we are at war, ducks.

[baseline bum]

Geraldo is awesome right now!

[MannyIsGod]

CNN reporter tearing up pretty hard while talking to retired NYPD and NYFD on the streets.

[Sigz]

LMAO @ the kid "I have two finals tomorrow, and I'm not studying for them.. cuz we just killed BIN LADEN YEAHHHHHHHH"

[ChumpDumper]

iraq
al qaeda
afghanistan
qaddafi
taliban

in all of their nebulous glory

Fuck OBL's body I hope those SEALS pissed on itSo we're not at war with all Muslims.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself.

[LnGrrrR]

Be a pretty shitty XO if he didn't.

Pretty sure the XO will be getting shit-faced himself :lmao

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LMAO @ the kid "I have two finals tomorrow, and I'm not studying for them.. cuz we just killed BIN LADEN YEAHHHHHHHH"

That was hilarious

Geraldo looked scared

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So we're not at war with all Muslims.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself.

So the US not saying anything about his body would have declared war on all Muslims.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

crofl he just told the university to postpone finals

[ChumpDumper]

So the US not saying anything about his body would have declared war on all Muslims.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself.lol you think no one would have asked.

[Wild Cobra]

Geraldo is awesome right now!

You're watching Fox rather than CNN, MSMBC, etc?

Why? Aren't the others suppose to be better for you liberals?

[ChumpDumper]

You're watching Fox rather than CNN, MSMBC, etc?

Why? Aren't the others suppose to be better for you liberals?Which one is carrying the tornado speech?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol you think no one would have asked.

lol you thinking his body should be respected

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Which one is carrying the tornado speech?

Shoulda given Hitler a fair trial too right

[Wild Cobra]

Which one is carrying the tornado speech?
I don't know. I thought it was your turn to watch out for it.

[ChumpDumper]

lol you thinking his body should be respectedI'm thinking they should at least pay lip service to it.

You're a little too emotional about this.

[ChumpDumper]

Shoulda given Hitler a fair trial too rightDo you think he wouldn't have been convicted?


I don't know. I thought it was your turn to watch out for it.No, you're the only one who thought it would be a tornado speech.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'm thinking they should at least pay lip service to it.

You're a little too emotional about this.

No just old fashioned, some may say barbaric, in how I would like to see us conduct war.

[LnGrrrR]

It doesn't hurt to respect his religion. We're better than them.

[Wild Cobra]

No, you're the only one who thought it would be a tornado speech.
That was a guess before the announcement, and what he might have wanted to speak about if this was recent breaking news he didn't plan to deliver.

You're the only one concerned about it, so why haven't you been looking for it? Why ask me. Can't you do it yourself?

[ChumpDumper]

No just old fashioned, some may say barbaric, in how I would like to see us conduct war.By further endangering American servicemen and women.

That's very stupid. Get out there yourself and fight.

[DJ Mbenga]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjt35Jxak1qcv0ibo1_500.jpg

[Cant_Be_Faded]

By further endangering American servicemen and women.

That's very stupid. Get out there yourself and fight.
cuz they're not already endangered, i get it

[ChumpDumper]

That was a guess before the announcement, and what he might have wanted to speak about if this was recent breaking news he didn't plan to deliver.

You're the only one concerned about it, so why haven't you been looking for it? Why ask me. Can't you do it yourself?How can you not tell that we have been making fun of you all night about your ridiculous guess that the President of the United States was asking for network time late Sunday night to talk about something he had already talked about?

[ChumpDumper]

cuz they're not already endangered, i get itYou want to make it worse.

Sign up and fight, then.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

stratfor says Obama can use this as a wedge to force an evacuation from Afghanistan

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110501-red-alert-osama-bin-laden-killed?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110501&utm_content=readmore&elq=6635dcdaed6d4e36af4d61b57b5f1e5b

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't hurt to respect his religion. We're better than them.Some of us, anyway.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

You want to make it worse.

Sign up and fight, then.

Are you gonna tell me if i don't like america i should get out, too?

[TDMVPDPOY]

stratfor says Obama can use this as a wedge to force an evacuation from Afghanistan

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110501-red-alert-osama-bin-laden-killed?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110501&utm_content=readmore&elq=6635dcdaed6d4e36af4d61b57b5f1e5b

this is fkn stupid, pulling out like vietnam again...where the sufferers will continue to be the citizens left behind to fend for themselves against a wacko taliban govt.....

[ChumpDumper]

Are you gonna tell me if i don't like america i should get out, too?No, I'm telling you if you want to make life that much worse for American servicemen and women, you should be willing to put yourself in the same danger.

How about it, Rambo?

Conan?

[DesignatedT]

US tracked couriers to an elaborate bin Laden compound

Senior White House officials said early Monday that the trail that led to Osama bin Laden began before 9/11, before the terror attacks that brought bin Laden to prominence. The trail warmed up last fall, when it discovered an elaborate compound in Pakistan.

"From the time that we first recognized bin Laden as a threat, the U.S. gathered information on people in bin Laden's circle, including his personal couriers," a senior official in the Obama administration said in a background briefing from the White House.

After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, "detainees gave us information on couriers. One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre, his pseudonym, and also identified this man as one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden."

In 2007, the U.S. learned the man's name.

In 2009, "we identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated. They were very careful, reinforcing belief we were on the right track."

In August 2010, "we found their home in Abbatabad," in an isolated area.

"When we saw the compound, we were shocked by what we saw: an extraordinarily unique compound."

The plot of land was roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area. It was built in 2005 on the outskirts of town, but now some other homes are nearby.

"Physical security is extraordinary: 12 to 16 foot walls, walled areas, restricted access by two security gates." The residents burn their trash, unlike their neighbors. There are windows facing the road. One part of the compound has its own seven-foot privacy wall.

And unusual for a multi-million-dollar home: It has no telephone or Internet service.

This home, U.S. intelligence analysts concluded, was "custom built to hide someone of significance."

Besides the two brothers, the U.S. "soon learned that a third family lived there, whose size and makeup of family we believed to match those we believed would be with bin Laden. Our best information was that bin Laden was there with his youngest wife."

There was no proof, but everything seemed to fit: the security, the background of the couriers, the design of the compound.

"Our analysts looked at this from every angle. No other candidate fit the bill as well as bin Laden did," an official said.

"The bottom line of our collection and analysis was that we had high confidnece that the compound held a high-value terrorist target. There was a strong probability that it was bin Laden."

This information was shared "with no other country," an official said. "Only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance."

The raid
The operation went smoothly except for a mechanical problem with a U.S. helicopter, which was lost, the senior officials said. No U.S. personnel died. All were able to leave on other helicopters. the officials would not name the type of helicopter or say how many U.S. personnel were involved.

"Ths operation was a surgical raid by a small team designed to minimize collateral damage. Our team was on the compound for under 40 minutes and did not encounter any local authorities."

Bin Laden himself participated in the firefight, the officials suggested.

"Bin laden was killed in a firefight as our operators came onto the compound," an official said.

Did he fire, a reporter asked.

"He did resist the assault force, and he was killed in a firefight," an official said.

Four adult males were killed: bin Laden, his son, and the two couriers.

"One woman killed when used as a shield," and other women were injured, the officials said. The women's names were not given; it's not clear whether bin Laden's wife was among them.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42853221/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

[BRHornet45]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2924jrk.jpg

[lefty]

Since the title of this thread is a 2 part question, can anyone confirm if Bin Laden has been captured?


Thank you

[NASpurs]

Unreal Tournament announcer: HEADSHOT!


http://i54.tinypic.com/2924jrk.jpg

[LnGrrrR]

Shoulda given Hitler a fair trial too right

Why not?

[DJ Mbenga]

son its a fake picture. unless a eye shot qualifies as a headshot

[TDMVPDPOY]

the way he died was very questionable

in that compound, how come there was only 3-4 ppl only? where his loyal followers?

[NASpurs]

That photo looks fake as fuck though. Bottom half looks merged with the top half.

[Spurminator]

Everybody enjoy the moment, but don't forget to spend the next month arguing over which of the last two Presidents deserves more credit.

[NASpurs]

son its a fake picture. unless a eye shot qualifies as a headshot

Well there's a bullet size hole on the top of the eyebrow area. Forehead shot?

[ElNono]

this is fkn stupid, pulling out like vietnam again...where the sufferers will continue to be the citizens left behind to fend for themselves against a wacko taliban govt.....

The citizen doesn't seem to be much interested in standing up for anything, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Everybody enjoy the moment, but don't forget to spend the next month arguing over which of the last two Presidents deserves more credit.I do want to see how Trump takes credit for this one.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I do want to see how Trump takes credit for this one.

his going to provide 72 virgins as a tradeoff...

[LnGrrrR]

That photo looks fake as fuck though. Bottom half looks merged with the top half.

Dead bodies look weird.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm impressed at just how stupidly conspicuous this compound was.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Photo has already been debunked as fake.

[MannyIsGod]

AMAZING!! You guys have to go read this twitter timeline. Its basically a live blog of the operation.

http://twitter.com/#!/reallyvirtual

[ChumpDumper]

Photo has already been debunked as fake.Yeah, that shit isn't going to come out that quickly.

[Spurologist]

Has the Donald already had the presser where he asks for Osama's Death Certificate?

[ElNono]

It's not even a decent photoshop job... You can see the line in the middle of the nose where they merged the two images...

[NASpurs]

I'm going to do a IronMaxipad and steal some shit from Gaf :lol

http://i.min.us/ilhgAw.gif

[NASpurs]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/02/world/02binladen4_683/02binladen4_683-custom11.jpg

[Spurologist]

I'm going to do a IronMaxipad and steal some shit from Gaf :lol

http://i.min.us/ilhgAw.gif

Neal with it!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/02/world/02binladen4_683/02binladen4_683-custom11.jpg

Will go down as one of the greatest photos of our modern history.

[DJ Mbenga]

that 3 am ad against obama almost worked against him. its safe to say he was ready for it

[Wild Cobra]

How can you not tell that we have been making fun of you all night about your ridiculous guess that the President of the United States was asking for network time late Sunday night to talk about something he had already talked about?
I know you are and wondering how stupid you guys can be for doing it. I see it doesn't take much to amuse you. I have better things to worry about than your desire to be a chump.

[MannyIsGod]

Ground Zero.

http://occip.it/pt4s8maz

[TDMVPDPOY]

its safe to say bin laden missed out on the party

[DesignatedT]

AMAZING!! You guys have to go read this twitter timeline. Its basically a live blog of the operation.

http://twitter.com/#!/reallyvirtual

That's nuts.

[silverblk mystix]

That mansion/compound was built for Bin Laden and Pakistan knew nothing about it...


yep.

[NASpurs]

Neal with it!

:lol

http://h-7.abload.de/img/in27ygvnqi.gif

[TDMVPDPOY]

That mansion/compound was built for Bin Laden and Pakistan knew nothing about it...


yep.

they knew about it, but did shit about it, as long america keeps on giving them golden handshakes $$$ to fight war on terror, they be happy to continue to milk the cow...

no phone line, no internet...fail..these always satellite and wireless free leechin neighbors...info must have come in and out somehow

[silverblk mystix]

they knew about it, but did shit about it, as long america keeps on giving them golden handshakes $$$ to fight war on terror, they be happy to continue to milk the cow...

no phone line, no internet...fail..these always satellite and wireless free leechin neighbors...info must have come in and out somehow

Info came in & out the old fashioned way...by courier and then they burned all the correspondence-hence the only house to burn their own trash.

Obviously, the Pakistani gov't assisted with other forms of communication.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is all because Osama entered his address information when he signed up for his Playstation Network account a few weeks ago.

[ElNono]

Pakistan is balls deep in this shit... Compound built in 2005 and nobody knew about it?

[024]

This is all because Osama entered his address information when he signed up for his Playstation Network account a few weeks ago.
more like he finally bought an iphone.

[DJ Mbenga]

i will be wearing this shirt tomorrow:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/walker66/try_and_stop_us.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Fox News:

1. Death photo is being prepared for release

2. Osama was offered the option to surrender, responded with fire at the SEALs, who then killed him.

[DMX7]

Pakistan has some 'splaining to do.

[DJ Mbenga]

its a good thing obama wasnt invited to the royal wedding. he was a lil bit busy authorizing shit.

[redzero]

its a good thing obama wasnt invited to the royal wedding. he was a lil bit busy authorizing shit.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2njzksy.jpg

[Spurologist]

Fox News:

1. Death photo is being prepared for release

2. Osama was offered the option to surrender, responded with fire at the SEALs, who then killed him.

3. Obama didn't get permission from the Pakistani people.

4.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226954_10150290356809676_80939959675_9693900_72652 87_n.jpg

[DMX7]

THe internet is probably setting all kinds of traffic records.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Obama is a ruthless m-f'er.

[AnthonyM]

Fox News:

1. Death photo is being prepared for release

2. Osama was offered the option to surrender, responded with fire at the SEALs, who then killed him.

Link?

[Oh, Gee!!]

osama is deader than the spurs playoff run! too soon?

[DJ Mbenga]

Fox News:

1. Death photo is being prepared for release

2. Osama was offered the option to surrender, responded with fire at the SEALs, who then killed him.

i heard the first one not the second one. got a link? on a related note the answer was an overwhelming no, since he had a female human shield

[velik_m]

Finally the war on terror is won and Americans can go back to how they lived before. No more homeland security, no more invasive TSA searches, no more unconstitutional prisons... terrorism has lost and the American way of life has won!

p.s. Congrats to all Americans, i know how much this means to all of you.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Link?

Dish Channel 205. I can't help you there, it was on TV.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

AMAZING!! You guys have to go read this twitter timeline. Its basically a live blog of the operation.

http://twitter.com/#!/reallyvirtual

That is amazing

[baseline bum]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/02/world/02binladen4_683/02binladen4_683-custom11.jpg

That is a great pic.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i heard the first one not the second one. got a link? on a related note the answer was an overwhelming no, since he had a female human shield

wheres the facts he use a woman as a shield? i thought it was one of the couriers that used the woman as a shield...

[DJ Mbenga]

cnn just said they already buried him at sea. oh boy this is gonna get interesting. conspiracy theorists, birthers. unite!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Finally the war on terror is won and Americans can go back to how they lived before. No more homeland security, no more invasive TSA searches, no more unconstitutional prisons... terrorism has lost and the American way of life has won!

p.s. Congrats to all Americans, i know how much this means to all of you.

Yeah. I understand the significance of the situation, but yeah......
I hear ya.

[MannyIsGod]

Cue the conspiracy shit going wild. They just announced they buried him at sea.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

wheres the facts he use a woman as a shield? i thought it was one of the couriers that used the woman as a shield...

Yeah. I'm skeptical about that. Could easily be fabricated. Either way, the Muslim extremists are gonna believe what they want.

[LnGrrrR]

Cue the conspiracy shit going wild. They just announced they buried him at sea.

Yup, gonna be a field day... I'm assuming there's photographic evidence.

Of course, people like WC will call it "fishy" and wonder why they didn't chop him into small pieces, and then mail those pieces to each American household.

[Wild Cobra]

Yup, gonna be a field day... I'm assuming there's photographic evidence.

Of course, people like WC will call it "fishy" and wonder why they didn't chop him into small pieces, and then mail those pieces to each American household.
There you go, off to the deep end again.

[baseline bum]

Yup, gonna be a field day... I'm assuming there's photographic evidence.

Of course, people like WC will call it "fishy" and wonder why they didn't chop him into small pieces, and then mail those pieces to each American household.

:rollin

[redzero]

It dawned on me that Bin Laden's death sounded a lot like Tony Montana's in Scarface, so...

http://i54.tinypic.com/2h3zara.jpg

[Hemotivo]

That is a great pic.

posers

[ElNono]

Yup, gonna be a field day... I'm assuming there's photographic evidence.

Of course, people like WC will call it "fishy" and wonder why they didn't chop him into small pieces, and then mail those pieces to each American household.

:lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf is obama sugarcoating to make it seem like pakistan had nothing to do with the aid of hiding bin laden?

[Wild Cobra]

wtf is obama sugarcoating to make it seem like pakistan had nothing to do with the aid of hiding bin laden?
Pakistan might not of, at least not at the government level. High profile citizens obviously were.

Have to tread lightly when it comes to such accusations.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Pakistan might not of, at least not at the government level. High profile citizens obviously were.

Have to tread lightly when it comes to such accusations.

there govt is a puppet anyway man

[symple19]

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-inside-raid-that-killed-him_n_856158.html

[024]

i have to wonder if bin laden was actually captured alive. he could be proclaimed dead just so the CIA can secretly interrogate him in peace and start tracking down all the different al qaeda cells.

[boutons_deux]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/02/world/02binladen4_683/02binladen4_683-custom11.jpg

I see some layering and a halo of pixels around FDNY.

[NASpurs]

I see some layering and a halo of pixels around FDNY.

Eh... those halos are God sent. Doctoring that photo need not be needed.

[rascal]

You fool. It is not big at all. It won't change a thing.
Someone else will just step into Bin Laden's role.

Americans are some of the stupidest people in the world.

[ChumpDumper]

You fool. It is not big at all. It won't change a thing.
Someone else will just step into Bin Laden's role.Who?

[ChuckD]

You fool. It is not big at all. It won't change a thing.
Someone else will just step into Bin Laden's role.

Americans are some of the stupidest people in the world.

I thought about this, but it's not true. He wasn't just a guy running a terrorist org. Even though their goals and methods were NOTHING alike, he was really their Gandhi, their MLK. You just don't step into that role, ever.

[ChuckD]

As for the burial at sea, it's actually pretty smart. If you hand the body back to the family, his grave becomes an Islamic shrine at the drop of a hat. You give his followers nothing to focus on.

[Winehole23]

Finally the war on terror is won and Americans can go back to how they lived before. No more homeland security, no more invasive TSA searches, no more unconstitutional prisons... terrorism has lost and the American way of life has won!I wish. This event probably sanctifies all the wars and all the war on terror theatrics retrospectively, for most of those who didn't bless it in advance.

[Winehole23]

Great. He killed Bin Laden. But he's done nothing to fix BCS system. -- Fox News.


(reposted from fb, via the Sklar bros, allegedly)

[DarrinS]

A week to verify his identity by DNA and less than 24 hrs to burial at sea?

hmmm

[Cry Havoc]

As for the burial at sea, it's actually pretty smart. If you hand the body back to the family, his grave becomes an Islamic shrine at the drop of a hat. You give his followers nothing to focus on.

Wow, I'm late to this thread. :lol

It's not like they can't make a symbolic grave for him anyway.

[DarrinS]

Obama's announcement interruped Celebrity Apprentice.

Coincidence?

:stirpot:

[Winehole23]

Obama told a whopper about killing UBL, just so he could break in on Celebrity Apprentice. True story.

[CosmicCowboy]

i have to wonder if bin laden was actually captured alive. he could be proclaimed dead just so the CIA can secretly interrogate him in peace and start tracking down all the different al qaeda cells.


Hopefully they took him alive and have the mad dentist working him over right now...

http://www.denofgeek.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/113979.png


Isss it safe?

[lefty]

Sooooo, they buried his body at sea ?????




How convenient :tu

[TeyshaBlue]

Ground Zero.

http://occip.it/pt4s8maz

That's fucking awesome.

[JoeChalupa]

I can't believe how many doubters there are. The "birthers" will now demand to see the body or a "legal" death certificate which Trump will ignore. No matter what Obama does he just can't catch a break.

[Buddy Holly]

Wise to bury him at sea.

[MannyIsGod]

I swear you guys fall for the worst photoshops.

[CosmicCowboy]

I swear you guys fall for the worst photoshops.

Yeah, I see a layering halo around his left eye...:lol

[RandomGuy]

Hey Random...

Your biased hatred of me is showing.

You don't have a clue to my feelings over this, and you are wrong. My statements have nothing to do with an attempt to him show less competence. He needs no help from anyone.

Alright, alright, I was a bit harsh, but you hung yourself out there, and then stuck to something that was pretty obviously an idea covered in weak sauce.

I have no hatred of you, merely frustration, and I am sure that it mutual.

Better?

[CosmicCowboy]

Hey Buddy...did you take that picture?

[RandomGuy]

wtf is obama sugarcoating to make it seem like pakistan had nothing to do with the aid of hiding bin laden?

He gave them a nod.

But then why was he living so close to their capital, with retired Pakistani military officers for neighbors?

Talk about "fishy".

[RandomGuy]

the way he died was very questionable

in that compound, how come there was only 3-4 ppl only? where his loyal followers?

There were more than that, from the news accounts.

[RandomGuy]

http://i.imgur.com/sdaDJ.gif

Instant save to the ol' HD.

[LnGrrrR]

I see some layering and a halo of pixels around FDNY.

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, I see a layering halo around his left eye...:lol

:tu Good one.

[ManuBalboa]

Time to pull the fuck out. :lol at that wild idea.

[RandomGuy]

I see we have the makings of a new classic tag line. :lol

[johnsmith]

Chumpdumper, were you drunk when you were posting in this thread last night?

[lefty]

http://www.ecrans.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L450xH293/ben_laden_4-8dd79.jpg

[ManuBalboa]

^ lmao

[Ashy Larry]

Navy Seals > Lakers > all

[Ashy Larry]

http://www.ecrans.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L450xH293/ben_laden_4-8dd79.jpg



classic :toast

[Leetonidas]

It's nice that we can all take a step from bball and our differences to rejoice in that fact that this is piece of shit is finally dead.

America....FUCK YEAH

[CommanderMcBragg]

Well done!! Well done!!

[RandomGuy]

It's nice that we can all take a step from bball and our differences to rejoice in that fact that this is piece of shit is finally dead.

America....FUCK YEAH

Amateur footage shows the bloodstained interior of Osama bin Laden's compound following his death at the hands of US special forces. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8487996/Bloody-aftermath-inside-Osama-bin-Ladens-compound.html)

ABC footage at the UK paper the Telegraph, showing a lot of blood, but no bodies.

[Mr. Peabody]

Apparently, this was strictly a kill mission and not a capture mission -


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters.

"This was a kill operation," the official said, making clear there was no desire to try to capture bin Laden alive in Pakistan. (Reporting by Mark Hosenball, writing by Matt Spetalnick)

It's crazy to think that Obama was at the White House Correspondent's Dinner taking part in the festivities, knowing he had just given an order to kill the world's most notorious terrorist.

[RandomGuy]

Apparently, this was strictly a kill mission and not a capture mission -



It's crazy to think that Obama was at the White House Correspondent's Dinner taking part in the festivities, knowing he had just given an order to kill the world's most notorious terrorist.

Thereby putting the lie to McCain's election charge that Obama "telegraphs his punches".

[Ashy Larry]

Apparently, this was strictly a kill mission and not a capture mission -



It's crazy to think that Obama was at the White House Correspondent's Dinner taking part in the festivities, knowing he had just given an order to kill the world's most notorious terrorist.

that's the ultimate poker face right there .......

[clambake]

i see crookskanks lurking.

[Mr. Peabody]

A poster in The Club mentioned how the idea of a unilateral strike in Pakistan was one that Obama was criticized for during the election -


Presidential candidates debate Pakistan
McCain, Clinton criticize Obama for threatening to order attacks

By Andy Merten
NBC News
updated 2/28/2008 4:24:33 PM ET
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WASHINGTON — While recent campaign talking points seem focused on the nation’s flailing economy and its foreign wars, concerns over Pakistan remain an important, though somewhat less heralded, part of that dialogue.
. . . .
But that may have changed over the past week, as political opponents, both Republican and Democrat, have taken Sen. Barack Obama to task over his policy views toward Islamabad.

At Tuesday night’s MSNBC debate in Cleveland, Sen. Hillary Clinton criticized her opponent’s foreign policy experience, saying, “Last summer, he basically threatened to bomb Pakistan, which I don’t think was a particularly wise position to take.”

And speaking at his Wisconsin primary victory party last week, Sen. John McCain also brought up Obama's earlier statements on Pakistan. "Will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan?" asked the Arizona senator.

Even after the Wisconsin speech, McCain reiterated his criticism.

The next day, he said, “You make plans and you work with the other country that is your ally and friend, which Pakistan is.”

“You don’t broadcast and say that you’re going to bomb a country without their permission.”

Both Clinton and McCain were making hay of a speech given by Obama in August, when he said he would consider unilateral bombings of al-Qaida camps in Pakistan, with or without consent from Islamabad.

"Let me make this clear: There are terrorists holed up in those mountains, that murdered 3,000 Americans," said Obama during the counterterrorism address.
"If we have actionable intelligence about high-valued terrorist targets and if President Musharraf will not act, we will."

[symple19]

After letting this soak in I must say it just keeps feeling better that OBL is sleepin' with the fishes

From what I've read and heard so far, the CIA, JSOC, and the Obama team handled this beautifully. I hate giving praise to Obama, but credit where due.

The only thing about the operation I wonder about is how those choppers got in without lighting up Paki air defense radars. Believe I read that a Chinook and a couple Blackhawks were involved. I suppose you could keep the BHs low enough but a Chinook?


:toast To SEAL team six. Those are some bad MFers.

[ElNono]

The only thing about the operation I wonder about is how those choppers got in without lighting up Paki air defense radars. Believe I read that a Chinook and a couple Blackhawks were involved. I suppose you could keep the BHs low enough but a Chinook?

Don't we pay Pakistan handsomely to use their air space for the Afghan mission? I'm pretty sure we do.

[JoeChalupa]

:toast To SEAL team six. Those are some bad MFers.


:tu

[DarrinS]

Within a week, Obama manages to kill birtherism, completely humiliate Donald Trump, and kill the world's most wanted terrorist.

He's probably a lock to win reelection now.

Perfect timing, I'd have to say.

[coyotes_geek]

Good riddance.

[Cry Havoc]

A man is killed.

And the politicians will say "behold the bad guy, dead by our righteous hands." And the good hearted people will rejoice and sleep in their beds and know justice exists in this world. And the few will lord over the many. And the wars will continue. And bombs will still fall. And people will still die. And one day a McDonalds will stand where once a missile struck like lightning. And an orphan will super-size your meal for an extra dinar.

[leemajors]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sources-bin-ladens-corpse-has-been-on-ice-for-nearly-a-decade.html

[Stringer_Bell]

Within a week, Obama manages to kill birtherism, completely humiliate Donald Trump, and kill the world's most wanted terrorist.

He's probably a lock to win reelection now.

Perfect timing, I'd have to say.

He's still actually a step ahead of you, bud. They allowed birtherism to fester so that it took over the airwaves, pre-occupied the media with stupid shit while the grown-man sports were going on elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald was in on the birther act, he played his part perfectly.

I've believed all along that our military, if ALLOWED to gather the correct intel, could find OBL and take that nigga out with extreme prejudice. Sure, we had to pay out for it, but that's how you play the game and I'm glad Pakistan let our boys do their job.

As for "perfect timing," please. The confirmation just happened, not like he waited a year to bring out the body. We had tons of money in 2001 to pay out, have always known OBL was in Pakistan, but Bush wanted Afghanistan/Iraq for his election because "you don't change horses midstream." Obama said he'd find that nigga OBL (not even a campaign promise, just a man-to-man promise), now that nigga dead. Let's roll.

[Winehole23]

,,,

[LnGrrrR]

I dont think anyone is claiming that the death of Osama will significantly change ops, or bring about world peace, etc etc.

But a very evil man is dead, and that's something to celebrate. At the least, it's not a negative in my eyes.

[Winehole23]

He's probably a lock to win reelection now.


But I’m not sure that the magnitude of the bump that Mr. Obama might get in the Gallup tracking poll is going to be especially predictive of how much the residue of this news might produce for him 19 months from now.



In 1991, the top 8 or 10 Democratic candidates skipped the presidential race (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/a-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-ii/) because George H.W. Bush seemed unbeatable in the wake of the popular Gulf War. But by November 1992, Mr. Bush’s approval ratings were in the 30s, and Bill Clinton defeated him easily — as most any Democratic candidate would have.


That is not to suggest that this news won’t be helpful to the President. Of course it will help him.



But, the 2012 election was probably not going to revolve around national security. Instead, the Republican nominee was probably going to attempt to make the campaign about the size of government and the future of the welfare state: how to deal with entitlement programs in the face of an increasing national debt.



This news may not change the focal point of the campaign. And it may not cause Americans to forget about the direction of the economy, which they remain largely unhappy about.



The biggest mistake that Republican candidates could make would be to be intimated by the approval ratings of a president who, while not easy to defeat, may still be quite vulnerable in November 2012.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/yes-bin-ladens-death-will-help-obama-but-for-how-long/

[Fernando TD21]

http://operamundi.uol.com.br/arquivos/upload/bin1304326652_2.jpg
http://operamundi.uol.com.br/conteudo/noticia/FOTO+DE+BIN+LADEN+MORTO+E+FALSA+DIZ+IMPRENSA+INTER NACIONAL_11610.shtml

[DarrinS]

He's still actually a step ahead of you, bud. They allowed birtherism to fester so that it took over the airwaves, pre-occupied the media with stupid shit while the grown-man sports were going on elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald was in on the birther act, he played his part perfectly.


Or, a distraction from how Jimmy Carter-esque this presidency is.





I've believed all along that our military, if ALLOWED to gather the correct intel, could find OBL and take that nigga out with extreme prejudice. Sure, we had to pay out for it, but that's how you play the game and I'm glad Pakistan let our boys do their job.




Fuck Pockystahn. If you ask me, those fuckers have some questions to answer.

[Cry Havoc]

I dont think anyone is claiming that the death of Osama will significantly change ops, or bring about world peace, etc etc.

But a very evil man is dead, and that's something to celebrate. At the least, it's not a negative in my eyes.

I'll celebrate when our serving men and women come home. Osama was evil, but there is no shortage of that in this world. His death changes little, and probably doesn't even alter the scope of terrorism we face. 1,200,000,000,000 is a hell of a medical bill for someone who's on dialysis.

[ElNono]

Or, a distraction from how Jimmy Carter-esque this presidency is.

I have a feeling that the timing is not what bothers you at all, but the fact you can't claim he can't do anything right anymore, rendering the 'Jimmy Carter-esque' claim somewhat moot.

There's still a year and a half until the elections. A long, long time by any political standards, to the point that the GOP hasn't even yet sorted out who their candidate is going to be.

While this is undoubtedly an historic event, it will be forgotten in a matter of days/weeks, and replaced with the news of the day.

[LnGrrrR]

I'll celebrate when our serving men and women come home. Osama was evil, but there is no shortage of that in this world. His death changes little, and probably doesn't even alter the scope of terrorism we face. 1,200,000,000,000 is a hell of a medical bill for someone who's on dialysis.

His death is, at best, symbolic more than anything. But it will hurt the resolve of some terrorists. And they do lose a masterful strategist.

[rascal]

I thought about this, but it's not true. He wasn't just a guy running a terrorist org. Even though their goals and methods were NOTHING alike, he was really their Gandhi, their MLK. You just don't step into that role, ever.

Your wrong. Al Quaeda and their threats are not going away.

[Cry Havoc]

While this is undoubtedly an historic event, it will be forgotten in a matter of days/weeks, and replaced with the news of the day.

Nah. This will fade, but when elections come around you will hear the drum beat again and again -- this is the president that got Osama. Something the GOP didn't/couldn't do. It'll be a symbol for them, a message that, "Obama keeps his promises." Whether he deserves credit for any of it or not is moot, it's a huge win for the Dems and another setback for Republicans, who already had a pretty lousy chance of winning the White House in 2012. Now it's all but gone. Obama can play it safe as the incumbent and probably win very convincingly, where as before he might have had to have taken SOME risks.

[TheProfessor]

Or, a distraction from how Jimmy Carter-esque this presidency is.





Fuck Pockystahn. If you ask me, those fuckers have some questions to answer.
Sorry, the Jimmy Carter card is gone now. At best, as Nathan Silver points out, he could be a George H.W., as long as market gains resulting from foreign risk minimization are fleeting.

I do agree on your second point though. Pakistan needs to tread lightly right now, as India's claims that they are a terrorist sanctuary have been significantly bolstered.

[MannyIsGod]

A man is killed.

And the politicians will say "behold the bad guy, dead by our righteous hands." And the good hearted people will rejoice and sleep in their beds and know justice exists in this world. And the few will lord over the many. And the wars will continue. And bombs will still fall. And people will still die. And one day a McDonalds will stand where once a missile struck like lightning. And an orphan will super-size your meal for an extra dinar.

So you mean the world isn't all fuzzy rainbows? Well, thats right, but I guess I don't understand the point because no one claimed as much.

If you can't see why people are happy and why they are celebrating then I don't know what to tell you.

[Cry Havoc]

So you mean the world isn't all fuzzy rainbows? Well, thats right, but I guess I don't understand the point because no one claimed as much.

If you can't see why people are happy and why they are celebrating then I don't know what to tell you.

I didn't write that. I just don't see this as that great of a victory. Yes, we got him, good for us... look how long it took and how much money is gone that could have gone somewhere that needed it. Small victories, I guess, but it seems so distinctly hollow to me.

[ChumpDumper]

Your wrong. Al Quaeda and their threats are not going away.So who is their leader now?

[RandomGuy]

I have a feeling that the timing is not what bothers you at all, but the fact you can't claim he can't do anything right anymore, rendering the 'Jimmy Carter-esque' claim somewhat moot.

There's still a year and a half until the elections. A long, long time by any political standards, to the point that the GOP hasn't even yet sorted out who their candidate is going to be.

While this is undoubtedly an historic event, it will be forgotten in a matter of days/weeks, and replaced with the news of the day.

Darrin's obvious discomfort is simply icing on a very tasty cake.

The comparison with Carter falls far short, especially vis a vis Operation Eagle Claw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw).

The chances of Obama getting re-elected got measurably greater, in that I will agree with y'all.

The only question in my mind about the next election cycle is how many seats the Democrats will pick up in the house.

[boutons_deux]

Operation Eagle Claw

.... is painted by the Repugs as Carter's PERSONAL failure while the incompetent military is completely innocent.

Now, the Repugs and right-wingers here are saying Barry had nothing to do with getting OBL (and/or dubya deserves the same credit (but dubya deserves no blame for 9/11) ), and killing OBL was all on the military.

[RandomGuy]

So who is their leader now?

At the risk of giving the guy a break, since I didn't know the answer:


As of August 6, 2010, the chief of operations was considered to be Adnan Gulshair el Shukrijumah, replacing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.[20]

Bin Laden was advised by a Shura Council, which consists of senior al-Qaeda members, estimated by Western officials at about 20–30 people. Ayman al-Zawahiri is al-Qaeda's Deputy Operations Chief; Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the senior leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, but his safehouse was hit by U.S. missiles in a targeted killing, and Abu Ayyub al-Masri may have succeeded him.

Al-Qaeda's network was built from scratch as a conspiratorial network that draws on leaders of all its regional nodes "as and when necessary to serve as an integral part of its high command."[21]

Adnan Gulshair el Shukrijumah

Although the organization is now highly decentralized.

They will have a *very* hard time replacing such a monumental figurehead, in terms of visibility, although I am uncertain how aware the average "muslim-hardliner-on-the-street" is of the remaining leaders.

We can be fairly certaint that US efforts will keep the leadership of this organization from accumulating much in the way of experience or notoriety, simply due to the probable short length of their term in "office".

Still, the idea that "the US is evil" that forms the basis for the ideology enspoused by the late bin Laden, is not one that is likely to ever go away.

The next phase of our "war" should be a realization that we need to really concentrate on making this idea less credible.

[johnsmith]

Operation Eagle Claw

.... is painted by the Repugs as Carter's PERSONAL failure while the incompetent military is completely innocent.

Now, the Repugs and right-wingers here are saying Barry had nothing to do with getting OBL (and/or dubya deserves the same credit (but dubya deserves no blame for 9/11) ), and killing OBL was all on the military.

So you're saying the military deserves zero credit for killing OBL........I see.

[johnsmith]

And Chump....were you boozing last night when you were posting here?

[RandomGuy]

Operation Eagle Claw

.... is painted by the Repugs as Carter's PERSONAL failure while the incompetent military is completely innocent.

Now, the Repugs and right-wingers here are saying Barry had nothing to do with getting OBL (and/or dubya deserves the same credit (but dubya deserves no blame for 9/11) ), and killing OBL was all on the military.

:spin

Like no one saw that coming. :lol

There is no other way for Fox "News" to spin it that would give a Democrat any cred.

Like or not, Barack Hussein had the nuts to say "fuck it" and authorize the operation.

Ain't no spinning *that*, although I would not put it past the hacks at Fox to do so.

[johnsmith]

:spin

Like no one saw that coming. :lol

There is no other way for Fox "News" to spin it that would give a Democrat any cred.

Like or not, Barack Hussein had the nuts to say "fuck it" and authorize the operation.

Ain't no spinning *that*, although I would not put it past the hacks at Fox to do so.

No one saw what coming? Darrin and Boutons talking about Eagleclaw?

And what does that have to do with Fox news?

[RandomGuy]

No one saw what coming? Darrin and Boutons talking about Eagleclaw?

And what does that have to do with Fox news?

No, no one saw the Republican/conservative attempts to spin this to mimize any credit that might be given to a Democratic president. (edit) ...and by no one, I mean everyone.

Fox "news" being the propaganda wing of the Republican party, whose job it will be to regurgitate the RNC's talking points on this, whatever they turn out to be.

[johnsmith]

No, no one saw the Republican/conservative attempts to spin this to mimize any credit that might be given to a Democratic president.

Fox "news" being the propaganda wing of the Republican party, whose job it will be to regurgitate the RNC's talking points on this, whatever they turn out to be.

What Republican/conservative attempts have you seen so far?

And from where?

[TeyshaBlue]

I see. So they haven't yet, but they will, right?

Daily affirmation much?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Operation Eagle Claw

.... is painted by the Repugs as Carter's PERSONAL failure while the incompetent military is completely innocent.

Now, the Repugs and right-wingers here are saying Barry had nothing to do with getting OBL (and/or dubya deserves the same credit (but dubya deserves no blame for 9/11) ), and killing OBL was all on the military.

What all did Obama have to do with it boutons? Order the kill. Same thing any other president would have done. Props to him for making the right call.

[DarrinS]

Good to see that flag waving and chest thumping are in style again.

[LnGrrrR]

What all did Obama have to do with it boutons? Order the kill. Same thing any other president would have done. Props to him for making the right call.

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say he also authorized the various intel gathering missions as well.

And I wouldn't downplay the enormity of making that decision. Its a pretty big gamble.

[RandomGuy]

No, no one saw the Republican/conservative attempts to spin this to mimize any credit that might be given to a Democratic president. (edit) ...and by no one, I mean everyone.

Fox "news" being the propaganda wing of the Republican party, whose job it will be to regurgitate the RNC's talking points on this, whatever they turn out to be.


I see. So they haven't yet, but they will, right?

Daily affirmation much?

I have zero doubt that will happen. Personally I give it within a week.

Do you doubt at all that such minimizing will take place during the coming election?

This is too big to simply cede to a Democrat.

Some blogger will take it up within the next few days along those lines, then this will be incessantly emailed to the faithful, only to be taken up by ever more prominent talking heads in the conservative movement, until it is GOP canon by the time the election rolls around.

[Spurminator]

I'd say both teams are neck-and-neck today when it comes to chalking up partisan points for OBL's death.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say he also authorized the various intel gathering missions as well.

And I wouldn't downplay the enormity of making that decision. Its a pretty big gamble.As has been noted earlier, this is a culmination of Obama's campaign stance on military operations in Pakistan -- something Clinton and McCain said they would not do and criticized Obama's being open to it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

At the risk of giving the guy a break, since I didn't know the answer:



Adnan Gulshair el Shukrijumah

Although the organization is now highly decentralized.

They will have a *very* hard time replacing such a monumental figurehead, in terms of visibility, although I am uncertain how aware the average "muslim-hardliner-on-the-street" is of the remaining leaders.

We can be fairly certaint that US efforts will keep the leadership of this organization from accumulating much in the way of experience or notoriety, simply due to the probable short length of their term in "office".

Still, the idea that "the US is evil" that forms the basis for the ideology enspoused by the late bin Laden, is not one that is likely to ever go away.

The next phase of our "war" should be a realization that we need to really concentrate on making this idea less credible.

It would be naive to pretend Al Qaeda will just go away.

But there's still a lot of positives to come out of this.

1. Destroy the mythos that Osama is untouchable by the U.S. military.

2. Intelligence gleaned from his compound (computers, papers, etc.)

3. All along the fighters, believers, etc. had this idea that he was living and fighting in the mountains against the U.S. And now the truth comes out he was sitting in a mansion surrounded by Pakistani military living in modest surroundings.

Perhaps some of those fighters will have second thoughts about fighting for a guy who was living like a king...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say he also authorized the various intel gathering missions as well.

And I wouldn't downplay the enormity of making that decision. Its a pretty big gamble.

Well, considering such intelligence gathering missions have been ongoing, does he really deserve credit for that?

I just don't get it. The whole credit thing is stupid.

When Bush was president he tasked our intelligence community and military with finding and killing Osama.

When Obama came on board, he continued that mission. Yesterday we killed the guy.

Trying to give either president "credit" for this is just partisan stupidity.

The guys who deserved credit were the ones who went into that compound last night, killed the SOB, and brought everyone home alive.

[TeyshaBlue]

I have zero doubt that will happen. Personally I give it within a week.

Do you doubt at all that such minimizing will take place during the coming election?

This is too big to simply cede to a Democrat.

Some blogger will take it up within the next few days along those lines, then this will be incessantly emailed to the faithful, only to be taken up by ever more prominent talking heads in the conservative movement, until it is GOP canon by the time the election rolls around.

This could be a response from boutonski except the grammar is correct and there's no festive nom de guerre for the GOP.:lol

[rascal]

So who is their leader now?

There is already someone in line of command. His name will be known later.

[TeyshaBlue]

There is already someone in line of command. His name will be known later.

Ben Bernanke

[ChumpDumper]

There is already someone in line of command. His name will be known later.And do you think this guy no one has heard of will have the same gravitas among his followers as OBL had?

[xeromass]

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say he also authorized the various intel gathering missions as well.

And I wouldn't downplay the enormity of making that decision. Its a pretty big gamble.


Huge gamble, especially from political standpoint.

They've flown 4 choppers quite deep into Pakistani territory (probably from Afghanistan - around 110 miles in straight line), landed them approx half a mile from what I understand is Pakistan's main officers school, assassinated Osama and flown back.

If anything went wrong Obama wouldn't be a door kickin' hero in online gifs but definite Carter II, role he was previously slowly being fitted into.

BTW, great mission. Only thing that could turn out better is if he was taken alive. Possibly standing court in Afghanistan. Now it all seems kinda anticlimactic :)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Huge gamble, especially from political standpoint.

They've flown 4 choppers quite deep into Pakistani territory (probably from Afghanistan - around 110 miles in straight line), landed them approx half a mile from what I understand is Pakistan's main officers school, assassinated Osama and flown back.

If anything went wrong Obama wouldn't be a door kickin' hero in online gifs but definite Carter II, role he was previously slowly being fitted into.

BTW, great mission. Only thing that could turn out better is if he was taken alive. Possibly standing court in Afghanistan. Now it all seems kinda anticlimactic :)

It's a little known fact we actually have a base in western Pakistan we fly missions out of (Army base). Don't know whether we left from there or from a base in A'stan, but we did return to a base in A'stan with his body.

[JoeChalupa]

Wow. Even Rush Limpbaugh is giving Obama props. :tu

[mrsmaalox]

Apparently they flew out of Ghazi Air Base in Pakistan:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/new-details-on-bin-laden-raid-/mission-accomplished/

[Saddam]

This SOB bin laden gets all the news and they left me hanging.

[LnGrrrR]

As has been noted earlier, this is a culmination of Obama's campaign stance on military operations in Pakistan -- something Clinton and McCain said they would not do and criticized Obama's being open to it.

I'm usually against foreign intervention, but because I feel that THESE are the kinds of missions we should be focusing on. Small scale, highly targeted ops. Even though they are fraught with moral hazards, I think they contain as many as large-scale warfare/nation-building.

[DJ Mbenga]

interesting. i read the way they got to that courier was through those dudes at gitmo, and that info was acheived through waterboarding. if no waterboarding no info.

[RandomGuy]

This could be a response from boutonski except the grammar is correct and there's no festive nom de guerre for the GOP.:lol

Ouch man, you know how to hurt a guy.

That said, the question stands, do you really doubt that the GOP will take great steps to minimize this before the election?

I will stand by this. I try not to buy into naked cynicism, but I have seen some pretty scummy things come out of the right in this country not to expect *something*.

[TheProfessor]

interesting. i read the way they got to that courier was through those dudes at gitmo, and that info was acheived through waterboarding. if no waterboarding no info.
That's definitely what Limbaugh said, though I have not seen it substantiated. I've also read that Rumsfeld disavowed any waterboarding.

[TheProfessor]

Ouch man, you know how to hurt a guy.

That said, the question stands, do you really doubt that the GOP will take great steps to minimize this before the election?

I will stand by this. I try not to buy into naked cynicism, but I have seen some pretty scummy things come out of the right in this country not to expect *something*.
Not to get too boutons-y, but it has already begun. Thus the "Obama was only continuing the Bush Doctrine" meme that is fairly disingenuous. That's just politics, though.

[clambake]

bush said bin laden wasn't an important issue for him.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ouch man, you know how to hurt a guy.

:lol I should never post right before lunch. I'm a total bastard when my blood sugar's low. Apologies.:toast


That said, the question stands, do you really doubt that the GOP will take great steps to minimize this before the election?

I will stand by this. I try not to buy into naked cynicism, but I have seen some pretty scummy things come out of the right in this country not to expect *something*.

Here's my stand. I don't know what constitutes "great steps". I also don't know what the GOP will do by election time. Since I don't know, I'll also refrain from creating my own reality before it actually exists.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

White House press briefing just now:

Osama used his wife as a human shield during the gun fight.

What a little bitch (Osama, not his wife).

[LnGrrrR]

Well, considering such intelligence gathering missions have been ongoing, does he really deserve credit for that?

Since he probably authorized the various stages, I don't see why not.


I just don't get it. The whole credit thing is stupid.

When Bush was president he tasked our intelligence community and military with finding and killing Osama.

When Obama came on board, he continued that mission. Yesterday we killed the guy.

Bush deserves some small level of credit, since it seems we recovered the actionable info on the courier in 2007. I think this will vindicate Bush somewhat as well, right or wrong.


Trying to give either president "credit" for this is just partisan stupidity.

Unless you give both. But assuredly, Obama should have more "credit" since he made the final decisions. FWIW, I think Bush would have made the same ones, most likely.


The guys who deserved credit were the ones who went into that compound last night, killed the SOB, and brought everyone home alive.

Agreed, they deserve a lion's share. But since we won't know who that is for quite a while, the credit will get heaped upon a public official. For better or worse, the President is responsible for the actions our gov't takes. When it's bad, he gets the blame, it's good, he gets the glory.