Osama Dead Or Captured?!?!?!?

[ChumpDumper]

It's called an opinion, you ignorant fuck.Sorry, you're ignorant of Obama's policy and McCain's position on that policy. It has actually been explained on this board, but you were too busy lying to notice.

[ChumpDumper]

It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.No guesses, Darrin? I suppose you would prefer to remain ignorant about this too.

[LnGrrrR]

If they don't know if waterboarding works, why use it? We know conventional interrogation works, since we've used it before.

[mouse]

I missed the ending to the celebrity Apprentice. If Obama is going to cut short tax payers tv shows then he should allow Torrent sites so we can download what we missed.

[ChumpDumper]

I missed the ending to the celebrity Apprentice. If Obama is going to cut short tax payers tv shows then he should allow Torrent sites so we can download what we missed.It's telling that you also don't know that networks put full episodes of series up on their websites.

Or were you trying to make a joke?

[DarrinS]

Sorry, you're ignorant of Obama's policy and McCain's position on that policy.


Campaign rhetoric and reality are two different things.


Can you name any Obama policies (as described during the campaign) that differ with his current policies? (Hint: there's a long list)

[clambake]

duh

[ChumpDumper]

Campaign rhetoric and reality are two different things.You were wrong about its being a Bush policy.


Can you name any Obama policies (as described during the campaign) that differ with his current policies? (Hint: there's a long list)So you're saying McCain would start following Obama policy.

OK.

Now why don't you tell us what you were lying about?

[clambake]

like a child caught in a lie.

imagine this from a grown man. lol

[Jacob1983]

Wasn't Obama against Gitmo and the harsh interrogations and wiretaps? However, Gitmo is still opened and didn't the info about Bin Laden's location come from detainees at Gitmo? Obama is a conservative pretending to be a cool liberal. :lol

[DMX7]

didn't the info about Bin Laden's location come from detainees at Gitmo?

I'm sure that's what Sean Hannity coaxed out of his guests, but we don't know that.

[Nbadan]

More details surfacing...

Bin Laden skull blown apart, official says
Infamous al Qaeda leader shot above left eye in U.S. raid, blowing away part of his skull


WASHINGTON - [/B[B]]Osama bin Laden was shot above his left eye and the bullet blew away part of his skull, a U.S. official says. He was also shot in the chest.

The precision kill shot was delivered by a member of the Navy's elite SEAL Team Six during a pre-dawn raid Monday on bin Laden's hideout in Pakistan.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

Photos of bin Laden's injuries were transmitted to Washington as proof that the mission was a success.

The administration is still weighing whether to release photos of bin Laden's corpse and video of his swift burial at sea. Officials were reluctant to inflame Islamic sentiment by showing graphic images of the body. But they were also eager to address the mythology already building in Pakistan and beyond that bin Laden was somehow still alive...

CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/03/501364/main20059222.shtml)

If your still questioning whether Obama was really killed or not, is releasing photos gonna prove it? Not if the birth certificate crowd is any indication....it will appease the blood thirsty crowd I suppose..

[Nbadan]

Follow the woman..

0-ySteY3r9I

[Jacob1983]

All I'm saying is that Obama is like Bush on a lot of things. It's interesting to see the similarities between the two. It's also funny how Obama tried so hard to not be like Bush because he preached to Americans that voting for McCain would be a 3rd term of Bush. In some ways, Obama is serving Bush's 3rd term. If Bin Laden is indeed dead, I give Barry props. Good job but terrorism is not dead. And what about the economy?

[ChumpDumper]

Did you watch the end of CSI: Miami?

[redzero]

Get them while they're hot.


http://www.bikeweek.midfloridasportswear.com/daytona/obama.htm


http://www.bikeweek.midfloridasportswear.com/daytona/obama2.jpg

That is an ugly shirt.

[lefty]

So what are they waiting for to release OBL's pictures?


ROFL ROFL ROFL, bullshit

[CosmicCowboy]

So what are they waiting for to release OBL's pictures?


ROFL ROFL ROFL, bullshit

They will hold off till there is a negative news cycle and drop the picture to change the subject.

[ploto]

Follow the woman..

0-ySteY3r9I

Pretty amazing looking back.

[Saved By Zero]

Pics?.....we don't need no stinkin' pics!!

[lefty]

They will hold off till there is a negative news cycle and drop the picture to change the subject.
Yup

[DarrinS]

If your still questioning whether Obama was really killed or not, is releasing photos gonna prove it? Not if the birth certificate crowd is any indication....it will appease the blood thirsty crowd I suppose..



I'm curious Dan. How do people like you feel about the killing of OBL? Do you think they should have sent in a kill team to take out Bush or Cheney? LMAO at twoofers like you making fun of birthers.

[clambake]

maybe he's making fun of lying birthers. lol

[MannyIsGod]

It is pretty stupid for Dan to be cheering this on but it is Dan and he's a moron.

[MannyIsGod]

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), the former House Speaker and a passionate critic of President George W. Bush, said she called the former president to thank him for his role in getting Osama bin Laden, the New York Times reports.

Said Pelosi: "He is a very friendly person, as you know, and he thanked me for my call. And I think he appreciated it. But I wanted him to know the appreciation that many of us have in a bipartisan way. We have all recognized in our public comments that his role was important in having this success."

I thought that was cool

Also, Bush was invited to Ground Zero to speak with Obama but declined.

[CosmicCowboy]

Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:

[E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

And here’s Nancy Pelosi yesterday:

The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . .

[MannyIsGod]

To be completely fair I don't think those statements are contradictory. I don't think killing Osama made us any safer, but it sure as hell is historic.

[CosmicCowboy]

To be completely fair I don't think those statements are contradictory. I don't think killing Osama made us any safer, but it sure as hell is historic.

The only difference was who was president at the time. Spin it however you want, it's partisan bullshit from the master of partisan bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:

[E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

And here’s Nancy Pelosi yesterday:

The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . .Not really contradictory, if that's what you were going for.

[vy65]

The only difference was who was president at the time. Spin it however you want, it's partisan bullshit from the master of partisan bullshit.

Huh? What does this have to do with anything?

[ChumpDumper]

The only difference was who was president at the time. Spin it however you want, it's partisan bullshit from the master of partisan bullshit.I wouldn't call you a master of partisan bullshit, CC.

[MannyIsGod]

The only difference was who was president at the time. Spin it however you want, it's partisan bullshit from the master of partisan bullshit.

2 different statements saying two different things. Its not spin, its English.

[MannyIsGod]

Also, if YOU weren't trying to spin shit, you'd provide the full context of those quotes. But of course you provide snippets and leave out what else was said.


LOL @ doing that and calling anyone else a hack. Just sayin.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL I did a search for that text of Pelosi's first quote and all I get is right wing blogs talking about flip flops. One calls it the mother of all flip flops when the statements aren't even contradictory. Where were these fuckers when Newt Gingrich was out talking about Libya?

[clambake]

pretty major collapse when anybody tries to use pelosi to prove a point.

[Marcus Bryant]

Naturally this country cannot be satisfied that justice was done, that the president made the right call, the intelligence was spot on, and the servicemen performed with exceptional bravery and skill. We must determine who benefits and who loses politically, who said what when and where and changed positions and whatever the fuck else. If your first reaction was framed in political terms fuck you.

[CosmicCowboy]

Naturally this country cannot be satisfied that justice was done, that the president made the right call, the intelligence was spot on, and the servicemen performed with exceptional bravery and skill. We must determine who benefits and who loses politically, who said what when and where and changed positions and whatever the fuck else. If your first reaction was framed in political terms fuck you.


LOL

Manny was the one painting Pelosi as all sweetness and light and non-partisan. I just rebutted.

[MannyIsGod]

Actually I was just trying to show that she and Obama both reached out to Bush. You then ran to GOP talking points which are apparently formulated by people who can't read.

[ChumpDumper]

Naturally this country cannot be satisfied that justice was done, that the president made the right call, the intelligence was spot on, and the servicemen performed with exceptional bravery and skill. We must determine who benefits and who loses politically, who said what when and where and changed positions and whatever the fuck else. If your first reaction was framed in political terms fuck you.What if it was my second reaction?

[mouse]

It's telling that you also don't know that networks put full episodes of series up on their websites.

I can see you have never been to NBC's website. The show that aired that night does not show up for at least 48 hours. second you have to watch 5 TIDE commercials and 3 new medication commercials from acid reflux to the latest stay hard pill just to watch 4 1/2 minutes of the show then it's two dish liquid commercials and three more pharmaceutical commercials then 4 minutes of the show. By the time you are done (if you don't lose the feed) the next Celebrity Apprentice is already on the TV.

Why should I have to be forced to watch 11 tampon commercials just to watch someone get fired?

I am hip to the presidential tv announcement games, Bush did the same shit. he would always have a news conference during the day when the 'Young and the Restless' was on, or at night when 'Survivor' was on. They pick the most popular times when people are watching TV, It's all about timing and they are masters at it.




Or were you trying to make a joke?

You will know when I make a joke your bladder will explode like WTC7.

[ChumpDumper]

I can see you have never been to NBC's website. The show that aired that night does not show up for at least 48 hours. second you have to watch two TIDE commercials and three new medication commercials from acid reflux to the latest stay hard pill just to watch 4 1/2 minutes of the show then it's two dish liquid commercials and three more pharmaceutical commercials then 4 minutes of the show. By the time you are done (if you don't lose the feed) the next Celebrity Apprentice is already on the TV.

Why should I have to see a 11 tampon commercials just to watch someone get fired?You're the one who was whining about it. I personally don't know why anyone would. You could just read a recap if your time is that important to you -- although the next quote proves it isn't.


I am hip to the president tv announcement games Bush did the same shit. he would always have a news conference during the day when the 'Young and the Restless' was on, or at night when 'Survivor' was on. It's about timing and they are masters at it.Yes, they schedule announcements expressly to fuck with you, mouse.


You will know when I make a joke your bladder will explode like WTC7.So you are saying you haven't tried to make a joke here in eight years.

Well, that's proof, then.

[Marcus Bryant]

Politics isn't everything. An alien concept these days, obviously.

[mouse]

You're the one who was whining about it. I personally don't know why anyone would. You could just read a recap if your time is that important to you -- although the next quote proves it isn't.

The show is not important, my girlfriend being upset and me not having sex is, something you wouldn't know about.


Yes, they schedule announcements expressly to fuck with you, mouse.

I can see your still in the dark, you really think 9/11 just happened? They planned that shit on a clear day when it could of happened at night or a cloudy day they knew they would get the best coverage during the young and the restless show. What part about timing did you not get?

But you can never see outside the box Chump your to busy reading Rush Limbaugh's blogs.

[mouse]

So you are saying you haven't tried to make a joke here in eight years.



Don't mistake witty comebacks as Joking around. I am not a clown I am not here to amuse you.

You want to laugh go look at your 9/11 postings from two years ago talk about prime time comedy your the Chris Rock of politics.

[ChumpDumper]

The show is not important, my girlfriend being upset and me not having sex is, something you wouldn't know about.True, I'm good enough at sex that my girlfriend wouldn't close up shop over missing the end of a network television show.


I can see your still in the dark, you really think 9/11 just happened? They planned that shit on a clear day when it could of happened at night or a cloudy day they knew they would get the best coverage during the young and the restless show. What part about timing did you not get?I know why Al Qaeda planned the attack the day they did.


But you can never see outside the box Chump your to busy reading Rush Limbaugh's blogs.What do you think really happened on 9/11, mouse? Give us the result of your outside the box thinking.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't mistake witty comebacks as Joking around. I am not a clown I am not here to amuse you.You certainly aren't a comedian, either.


You want to laugh go look at your 9/11 postings from two years ago talk about prime time comedy your the Chris Rock of politics.What do you think really happened on 9/11, mouse?

[Drachen]

Naturally this country cannot be satisfied that justice was done, that the president made the right call, the intelligence was spot on, and the servicemen performed with exceptional bravery and skill. We must determine who benefits and who loses politically, who said what when and where and changed positions and whatever the fuck else. If your first reaction was framed in political terms fuck you.

I agree, thank you Marcus. I posted something similar on FB. I for one am happy that he is dead. I will celebrate our victory even if it is mainly symbolic (though it likely isn't mainly symbolic if it is true that we got a bunch of hard drives, thumb drives, etc). I knew it would devolve into the left and the right trying to find some kind of fault in the fact that this great thing was done, but I was hoping we would get a few days of national catharsis before that started. Nope. Sad, that we can't celebrate our victories, or (now) even mourn our tragedies.

[mouse]

What do you think really happened on 9/11, mouse?

A Government supervised not so well executed preplanned attack.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/passion-of-Osama-5.jpg

[RandomGuy]

No, no one saw the Republican/conservative attempts to spin this to mimize any credit that might be given to a Democratic president. (edit) ...and by no one, I mean everyone.

Fox "news" being the propaganda wing of the Republican party, whose job it will be to regurgitate the RNC's talking points on this, whatever they turn out to be.


I see. So they haven't yet, but they will, right?

Daily affirmation much?


I have zero doubt that will happen. Personally I give it within a week.

Do you doubt at all that such minimizing will take place during the coming election?

This is too big to simply cede to a Democrat.

Some blogger will take it up within the next few days along those lines, then this will be incessantly emailed to the faithful, only to be taken up by ever more prominent talking heads in the conservative movement, until it is GOP canon by the time the election rolls around.

Looks like I had to wait exactly 2 days for this to start happening, in exactly the manner I predicted, a right wing blogger minimizing Obama's role in the process. Astonishly enough the poster, Cosmic Cowboy finds the unnamed insider's implications of Obama "phoning it in and generally being absent" as being "credible", no offense intended, CC.

Blog post thread on May 4 http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178968

[TeyshaBlue]

So random blogger = Republican/conservative attempts to spin. Ok.

[MannyIsGod]

Politics isn't everything. An alien concept these days, obviously.

Imagine a political forum talking politics.

[TeyshaBlue]

Imagine a political forum talking politics.

:lol

[RandomGuy]

So random blogger = Republican/conservative attempts to spin. Ok.


then this will be incessantly emailed to the faithful, only to be taken up by ever more prominent talking heads in the conservative movement, until it is GOP canon by the time the election rolls around.

(shrugs)

If it doesn't happen, fine, I will readily accede to a bit of cynicism when it comes to the right-wing in this country.

If it does happen as I think it will, be ready for the "I told you so" post or two. :p:

The first stage has happened, as predicted, and we have a good year + for the rest of it to pan out or not.

[TeyshaBlue]

I missed my chance at demonstrable prescience. Dammit.:bang

Blogger posts something discrediting President Obama's role in the OSB takedown.
Resident enlightened progressives burst out in touchdown dances.:lol


I think you're boned on the canon aspect, dude.

[rjv]

well they just announced no pics so the rumors can persist if one so chooses

[RandomGuy]

So random blogger = Republican/conservative attempts to spin. Ok.

Random blogger = patdollard.com

Front page posts May 4:

"Obama Decline of America"--- WSJ

"Obama hesitated" (thread story)

"There is no doubt that Obama is a bigger threat to Israel than Osama was"

"Leftist Journos complain about Osama "assassination".

Conservative viewpoint, or not, TB?

[Spurminator]

I think Teysha's point is that it's not quite evidence of a mainstream backlash. If one conservative's viewpoint is sufficient, I could show you several Facebook posts indicating the tide was already turning at 11pm Sunday night.

[RandomGuy]

I missed my chance at demonstrable prescience. Dammit.:bang

Blogger posts something discrediting President Obama's role in the OSB takedown.
Resident enlightened progressives burst out in touchdown dances.:lol


I think you're boned on the canon aspect, dude.

You have only to see the first comment to the article to see how this will play out. I guarantee you this article will be forwarded ad infinitum through emails and forums, as it already has.

It will be picked up by the usual suspects, Limbaugh, et al., within a few weeks or months at the outside, with plenty of time before the election.

That is how the new media work.

You see this as boutons-style spin, but it is merely how things work these days.

[RandomGuy]

I think Teysha's point is that it's not quite evidence of a mainstream backlash. If one conservative's viewpoint is sufficient, I could show you several Facebook posts indicating the tide was already turning at 11pm Sunday night.

Not yet.

Give it some time, and I am pretty sure it will be.

I have gone on record though as making a reasonably falsifiable prediction. Whoot.

On that note, back to work.

[TeyshaBlue]

Random blogger = patdollard.com

Front page posts May 4:

"Obama Decline of America"--- WSJ

"Obama hesitated" (thread story)

"There is no doubt that Obama is a bigger threat to Israel than Osama was"

"Leftist Journos complain about Osama "assassination".

Conservative viewpoint, or not, TB?

Who the fuck is Pat Dollard? Relevance?

"Obama Decline of America"....this has exactly what to do with the OBL
takeout?

"Obama hesitated"...see Who the fuck is Pat Dollard?

"There is no doubt that Obama is a bigger threat to Israel than Osama was"...you do know this was a quote from Aryeh Eldad of Israel, right? Relevance?

Methinks you give patdollard.com a bit too much credit.

No, it's not the Conservative viewpoint. Is Michael Moore's unhinged ascertations the Progressive viewpoint? Get real.

[Spurminator]

Not yet.

Give it some time, and I am pretty sure it will be.

I don't disagree with that. All's fair in election season.

[lazerelmo]

well they just announced no pics so the rumors can persist if one so chooses

So, they couldn't figure out how to make the White House scanner work without adding OCR layers. good call.

[Spurminator]

I guess Osama brought a wife to a gunfight.

[TeyshaBlue]

omfg.:lmao:lmao:lobt:

[baseline bum]

What the hell? Obama even manages to screw up the crowning achievement of his presidency by not releasing the photos. He owes it to the people for the freedom and money that murdering bastard cost each and every one of us.

[DJ Mbenga]

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/obama-shh.jpg%3Fw%3D485%26h%3D364

[Marcus Bryant]

Imagine a political forum talking politics.

Precisely.

[Crookshanks]

Maybe if Obama hadn't acted like he personally delivered the "kill shot", and is now milking this to boost his falling approval ratings, then people wouldn't be as quick to discredit him.

[Marcus Bryant]

He gave the order.

[mouse]

I think Obama wanted to die than to try and qualify for healthcare.

[RandomGuy]

Who the fuck is Pat Dollard? Relevance?

"Obama Decline of America"....this has exactly what to do with the OBL
takeout?

"Obama hesitated"...see Who the fuck is Pat Dollard?

"There is no doubt that Obama is a bigger threat to Israel than Osama was"...you do know this was a quote from Aryeh Eldad of Israel, right? Relevance?

Methinks you give patdollard.com a bit too much credit.

No, it's not the Conservative viewpoint. Is Michael Moore's unhinged ascertations the Progressive viewpoint? Get real.

The point was that the website was hardly a "random blogger", it was a website with a very particular and point of view to push.

It is precisely the kind of website that I expected to get this turdball rolling.

After a while the other dung beetles will add to it and keep pushing, until it becomes an established "fact" for the GOP coolaid drinkers before the election.

I don't think this website is some heavy mover with high visibility in the conservative movement. It isn't to my knowledge.

What it is, is exactly the kind of spin incubator that provides the genesis of right-wing spin of events that gets picked up later on. The activating neuron in the collective brain that starts the cascade of a collective thought, so to speak.

It works much the same on the left with other websites.

[TeyshaBlue]

The point was that the website was hardly a "random blogger", it was a website with a very particular and point of view to push.

It is precisely the kind of website that I expected to get this turdball rolling.

After a while the other dung beetles will add to it and keep pushing, until it becomes an established "fact" for the GOP coolaid drinkers before the election.

I don't think this website is some heavy mover with high visibility in the conservative movement. It isn't to my knowledge.

What it is, is exactly the kind of spin incubator that provides the genesis of right-wing spin of events that gets picked up later on. The activating neuron in the collective brain that starts the cascade of a collective thought, so to speak.

It works much the same on the left with other websites.

Well, you've put it under the microscope...should be interesting to see what develops.:toast

[IronMaxipad]

Pics released by Reuters (None of Osama)


Article (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/04/us-binladen-pakistan-photos-idUSTRE74370620110504)
Slideshow (http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow?articleId=USTRE74370620110504&slide=1)


*Warning: Graphic*

1. The grounds of the compound (http://i.imgur.com/2KKAb.jpg)

2. The unidentified body of a man (http://i.imgur.com/QWlzJ.jpg) *graphic*

3. The unidentified body of a man (http://i.imgur.com/Z9Ozc.jpg) *graphic*

4. The unidentified body of a man (http://i.imgur.com/axMCw.jpg) *graphic*

5. Wreckage is seen in the compound (http://i.imgur.com/Bksjy.jpg)

6. Part of a damaged helicopter is seen lying near the compound (http://i.imgur.com/GnSrP.jpg)

7. The grounds of the compound (http://i.imgur.com/PMO7K.jpg)

8. Part of a damaged helicopter is seen lying near the compound (http://i.imgur.com/lXMFF.jpg)

[Stringer_Bell]

Those blood puddles look like strawberry jelly. Someone get me a biscuit. And one of those dudes looks like he's wearing a grill haha.

[clambake]

Maybe if Obama hadn't acted like he personally delivered the "kill shot", and is now milking this to boost his falling approval ratings, then people wouldn't be as quick to discredit him.

god hates phony christians.

[mouse]

god hates phony christians.

post a pic of a "real" Christian

[clambake]

post a pic of a "real" Christian

i don't know any.

[LnGrrrR]

i don't know any.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe if Obama hadn't acted like he personally delivered the "kill shot", and is now milking this to boost his falling approval ratings, then people wouldn't be as quick to discredit him.Show us all where he acted like he delivered the kill shot.

Link it.

[jack sommerset]

Barry pretty much did the right thing here. Sent soldiers into his house to put a bullet in his head, took his body, did DNA testing to confirm it was him, gave him some last rights (i guess) then feed him to the fishies. Showing picture is a joke and not needed. USA should be better than that. It's obvious these plans were in the making for a long time. Hopefully Barry will turn the page quickly and not fuck this up.

[TDMVPDPOY]

seems like everyday a new story emerges :(

imo if this shit continues, the extremists would start idolizing OBL like CHE, and start tatoo his face on their bodies and shit, obl shirts....

some ppl are arguing why didnt USA arrest the clown and take him to the international crimes court, then whats the point of supporting legal system if your not going to use it and start shooting ppl off, then doesnt that mean we are not better then the terrorists?

[ChumpDumper]

the extremists would start idolizing OBLWhat do you mean, "start"?

[Capt Bringdown]

T00k5_dMhPk
Support our deathsquads!

[SA210]

Bush lied

[DesignatedT]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-compound#/?picture=374256182&index=8

[ezau]

President Obama decides not to release "graphic" bin Laden photos

WASHINGTON — President Obama (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/Executive/Barack+Obama) declared Wednesday that "you will not see bin Laden walking on this earth again" but said he would not release photos of the terrorist leader's corpse as proof that he is dead.

"It is important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence, as a propaganda tool," Obama told CBS' 60 Minutes in an interview to be broadcast Sunday. "You know, that's not who we are. You know, we don't trot out this stuff as trophies."


Obama's decision put an end to two days of speculation about whether the White House (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Places,+Geography/Landmarks,+Landforms/White+House) would release photos of the dead al-Qaeda leader or other images from the compound where he was shot on Monday or his subsequent burial at sea.


Although CIA Director Leon Panetta on Tuesday told NBC Nightly News (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/NBC+Nightly+News) that he didn't think there was any question that "ultimately a photograph would be presented to the public," White House press secretary Jay Carney (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Jay+Carney) said Obama "held this opinion very firmly."


The White House has said repeatedly that there is ample evidence that Osama bin Laden is dead: from photos, DNA (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/DNA) sampling and facial recognition technology. "There are going to be some folks that deny it," said Obama, alluding to conspiracy theorists. But "there's no doubt that bin Laden is dead," he said. "So we don't think that a photograph in and of itself is going to make any difference."


Reaction to his decision was mostly positive. "If there was a serious doubt out there, if people were claiming he was still alive, that (would be) different," said former 9/11 Commission chairman Tom Kean (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Tom+Kean), a Republican. "But it seems to me that everyone is in agreement that he's dead. So particularly if it's graphic, I don't see the necessity of it."


Carie Lemack, whose mother Judy Larocque died aboard American Airlines Flight 11 on 9/11, said, "There are people out there who are going to continue to demand proof, but I don't think that releasing the photos would give them the proof. I want to make sure nobody else dies because of this man."


Lemack plans to attend today's ceremony at Ground Zero in New York City, where Obama will lay a wreath at the site of the World Trade Center (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Places,+Geography/Landmarks,+Landforms/World+Trade+Center) towers. Former president George W. Bush (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/Executive/George+W.+Bush) declined Obama's invitation to join him, citing a desire to stay out of the spotlight. Obama, who will not make public remarks, plans private meetings with relatives of 9/11 victims and first responders.


In Congress, the heads of the House and Senate intelligence committees also said they support keeping the images classified. "I don't think that the timing is such that something incendiary is the right thing to do." said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/U.S.+Senators/Dianne+Feinstein), D-Calif., chairwoman of the Senate committee. Said Rep. Mike Rogers (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Mike+Rogers), R-Mich., head of the House panel: "I don't want to make the job of our troops serving in places like Iraq and Afghanistan any harder than it already is."The risks of release outweigh the benefits.



Conspiracy theorists around the world will just claim the photos are doctored anyway, and there is a real risk that releasing the photos will only serve to inflame public opinion in the Middle East (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Places,+Geography/Regions/Middle+East). ... Imagine how the American people would react if al-Qaeda killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the Internet. Osama bin Laden is not a trophy – he is dead and let's now focus on continuing the fight until al-Qaeda has been eliminated." But opinion was not unanimous. Sen. Lindsey Graham (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/U.S.+Senators/Lindsey+Graham), R-S.C., called Obama's decision "a mistake."


"The whole purpose of sending our soldiers into the compound, rather than an aerial bombardment, was to obtain indisputable proof of Bin Laden (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Bin+Laden)'s death," Graham said. "I know bin Laden is dead. But the best way to protect and defend our interests overseas is to prove that fact to the rest of the world," he said.


Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Journalists,+Media,+Academia/Sarah+Palin) also disapproved. She tweeted: "Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction. No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama; it's part of the mission."
Sen. Bill Nelson (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/U.S.+Senators/Bill+Nelson), D-Fla., had another idea: keep the images under seal for a period of time, maybe 10 years, and then make them available. "The free flow of information is not just a matter of good government, but a necessary part of our democracy," Nelson wrote in a letter to Obama.


Obama's decision to withhold the images came as the White House also stopped releasing details of the dramatic raid on bin Laden's compound. One day after officials corrected misstatements by counterterrorism czar John Brennan (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/John+Brennan), who had said bin Laden had been armed and that his wife had been killed, Carney said no more details about the raid would be released because the methods used by the Navy SEALs (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Military+and+Paramilitary/Navy+SEALs) in the operation are top-secret and that secrecy must be maintained for possible future raids.


"In terms of the operational details, we have gotten to the point where we cannot cross lines because of the necessity for preserving the methods and operational techniques and capabilities of the kinds of forces that were used in this case," he said. "We've gone to the limit of our ability to do that and still maintain some of the things we need to maintain and be kept secret."


Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-05-04-bin-laden-dead-photos-Obama--_n.htm

[RandomGuy]

Who the fuck is Pat Dollard? Relevance?

"Obama Decline of America"....this has exactly what to do with the OBL
takeout?

"Obama hesitated"...see Who the fuck is Pat Dollard?

"There is no doubt that Obama is a bigger threat to Israel than Osama was"...you do know this was a quote from Aryeh Eldad of Israel, right? Relevance?

Methinks you give patdollard.com a bit too much credit.

No, it's not the Conservative viewpoint. Is Michael Moore's unhinged ascertations the Progressive viewpoint? Get real.

If you can't accept that Pat Dollard.com doesn't represent a conservative viewpoint that many conservatives would readily agree with, I'm not sure what to say.

That seems to me like attempting to claim Fox News is actually fair and balanced.

I don't think that "conservative" is some monolithic moniker that means that all conservatives think alike, but I can definitely say that this website has what 99% of people would call a "conservative" viewpoint.

[RandomGuy]

President Obama decides not to release "graphic" bin Laden photos

WASHINGTON — President Obama (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/Executive/Barack+Obama) declared Wednesday that "you will not see bin Laden walking on this earth again" but said he would not release photos of the terrorist leader's corpse as proof that he is dead.



LOL Drudge report.

I think he kept them sealed just to make Drudge a liar.

[TeyshaBlue]

If you can't accept that Pat Dollard.com doesn't represent a conservative viewpoint that many conservatives would readily agree with, I'm not sure what to say.

That seems to me like attempting to claim Fox News is actually fair and balanced.

I don't think that "conservative" is some monolithic moniker that means that all conservatives think alike, but I can definitely say that this website has what 99% of people would call a "conservative" viewpoint.

Excellent. I'll be sure and put www.workers.org in my enlightened progressive bookmark folder. I'm sure they present a liberal viewpoint that many liberals would readily agree with.:rolleyes

[MannyIsGod]

My breakfast burrito this morning was amazingly tasty.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.facebookbeststatus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/funny-facebook-osama-bin-laden-status.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.facebookbeststatus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/funny-facebook-osama-bin-laden-status.jpg

:lol

[RandomGuy]

Excellent. I'll be sure and put www.workers.org in my enlightened progressive bookmark folder. I'm sure they present a liberal viewpoint that many liberals would readily agree with.:rolleyes

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=219&pictureid=1579

Most people would recognize that website as having a "liberal", if somewhat extreme, website.

My point was that those are the kinds of websites that generate no small amount of "new" ideas or spin that later get taken up by more moderate/mainstream sources.

Do you really find this so hard to believe?

[TeyshaBlue]

I dont necessarily find it hard to believe. But I do find it difficult to label them as conservative or liberal sites since they have very little main-stream content. Extreme is extreme.
Pat Dollard is Pat Dollard. Pat Dollard is not mainstream conservatism regardless of how badly you want him to be. BTW, neither is Fox News.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

I love these fake facebook updates.

[djohn2oo8]

I think before Osama was killed, everyone kinda fell asleep at the thought of more attacks this September. But they found the targets were to be L.A. , Chicago, NY, and Washington

[TDMVPDPOY]

the materials and computers the govt lay to claim, whats the chances of them using that info against its own ppl to conspire another war?

[Nbadan]

I think before Osama was killed, everyone kinda fell asleep at the thought of more attacks this September. But they found the targets were to be L.A. , Chicago, NY, and Washington

Ok, but there were no operational plans found that we know of yet, so we don't know if Al Queda, or any of its affiliate groups, had the strategic capability to strike...might of been a pipe dream for all we know..

[Nbadan]

the materials and computers the govt lay to claim, whats the chances of them using that info against its own ppl to conspire another war?

....well, if they could connect them to Syria or Iran I wouldn't put it past them...

[TDMVPDPOY]

i wonder how many different version side of the story is the govt going to bring out?

im very skeptical now, didnt they announce last year osama had some serious health issue? seems like in the raid they didnt find any of that medicine or equipment that he needed...

since his dead now, i assume they can fabricate anything post body in the sea

[Nbadan]

im very skeptical now, didnt they announce last year osama had some serious health issue?

When you read the many biographies of Bin Laden’s it becomes obvious that he likely did not require a dialysis machine. So I have concluded that the whole thing about his kidney problems was nothing more than a popular rumour that has infiltrated some aspects of the M$M.... in reality he did not have serious health issues...

[RandomGuy]

I dont necessarily find it hard to believe. But I do find it difficult to label them as conservative or liberal sites since they have very little main-stream content. Extreme is extreme.
Pat Dollard is Pat Dollard. Pat Dollard is not mainstream conservatism regardless of how badly you want him to be. BTW, neither is Fox News.

Ok, I give up.

What constitutes "mainstream" conservatism these days?

Fox "News" certainly seems to have a wide enough audience to qualify.

Quite frankly the definition of what is conservative seems to have evolved quite substantially to the right in the last 20 years.

That may be my bias, but it is a fairly widespread impression.

While I have met some fairly reasonable conservatives here and in person, I think the average conservative these days is getting downright kooky-right, especially given the way moderates are villified in the Republican party.

If you want to claim Pat Dollard is not representative of a "mainstream" conservative viewpoint, then you will have to give me something that you think qualifies.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ok, I give up.

What constitutes "mainstream" conservatism these days?

Fox "News" certainly seems to have a wide enough audience to qualify.

Quite frankly the definition of what is conservative seems to have evolved quite substantially to the right in the last 20 years.

That may be my bias, but it is a fairly widespread impression.

While I have met some fairly reasonable conservatives here and in person, I think the average conservative these days is getting downright kooky-right, especially given the way moderates are villified in the Republican party.

If you want to claim Pat Dollard is not representative of a "mainstream" conservative viewpoint, then you will have to give me something that you think qualifies.

I think it's convenient to label the GOP as conservatives, which clearly, they are not. Social conservatives? Perhaps. Classical conservatives? Nuh uh.
Your analysis, such as it is, of the "average conservative" (never mind whether or not that animal exists in the wild) seems to be predicated upon your ongoing premise that Fox News is the teat of conservatism which is, frankly, ludicrous.
Pat Dollard again? I still don't know who the fuck he is. I do know this guy:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/george_will/

I think he's closer to the conservative viewpoint than Pat Fucking Dollard.

Shall I pick out another lefty moonbat and proclaim them to be the progressive voice? Just as intellectually vacant as what you are attempting with Pat Dollard.

lol @ "While I have met some fairly reasonable conservatives here and in person, I think the average conservative these days is getting downright kooky-right..."
Nice job of Fox News Audience = average conservative, again, whatever the hell that is.:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Pretty cool about how they train the dogs to use over there

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110504_wardogs1.jpg

[DarrinS]

The Waterboarding Trail to bin Laden

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576305023876506348.html?m od=rss_opinion_main

[ChumpDumper]

So now you are claiming to know again, Darrin?

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Just wow.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.badideatshirts.com/Assets/ProductImages/PS_0269_OSAMA_LIKE.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.badideatshirts.com/Assets/ProductImages/PS_0269_OSAMA_LIKE.jpg

:tu

[RandomGuy]

:tu

That's actually a T-shirt you can buy, btw.

Hells ya they are capitalizing on this. America, Fuck Yeah!

Still haven't seen a "They killed Osama, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" shirt yet.

[TeyshaBlue]

I should bust out my "Larry, Curly, Moammar" T-shirts and make some quick cash before the Lybia situation plays out.:lol

[Winehole23]

^^^ worthless without pics. Bust em out.

[TeyshaBlue]

^^^ worthless without pics. Bust em out.

They exist only in a unused corner of my mind, in a small, dusty folder labled "Mucho Bucks". Filed right next to my DVD Rewinder.:lol

[DarrinS]

So now you are claiming to know again, Darrin?

:lmao


I didn't claim anything, I just posted a link. But you're smart enough to know the difference.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't claim anything, I just posted a link. But you're smart enough to know the difference.Why did you post the link?

[Winehole23]

I didn't claim anything, I just posted a link. But you're smart enough to know the difference.I'm sure you are too. How do you account for the difference between the opinions of Mukasey/Hayden and those of AG Holder?

You cited them both. What do you think of them?

[Winehole23]

If you have some empirical data, I'd like to see it.There might be something for you here, if you really care so much.

http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf

[ManuBalboa]

Apparently SEAL dogs have been known to be decked out with Titanium Teeth ($2,000 a tooth) to enable them to pierce body armor.


America...fck yeah!

http://www.globalanimal.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Iraq-fighting-Dog-K-9-Named-Andy-350x233.jpg

[Winehole23]

Abbottabad blowback. Spy scandal rocks Pakistan, ISI officers sell nuclear secrets to US.

https://theprint.in/opinion/espionage-case-shatters-pakistan-armys-myths-and-the-belief-its-nuke-secrets-are-secure

[monosylab1k]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsJMnnKgNjg

[DMC]

Killing terrorists good now/then

[Spurtacular]

Killing terrorists good now/then

How about US assets?