Federally mandated LED lightbulbs to cost $50 each

[RandomGuy]

that was essentially my reaction last time I saw an XRZ post.

I got nowhere with that.:lol

Ah well. People do move on. I have a hard time finding time to be here most days.

[CosmicCowboy]

Is it $50 yet?

I just paid $100 for one that is supposed to be indestructable to try in droplights on my service trucks.

[ElNono]

I just paid $100 for one that is supposed to be indestructable to try in droplights on my service trucks.

Was that federally mandated?

[ElNono]

I've been saving quite a bit by just switching to CFLs... just wish they would be constructed a bit more sturdily... had a couple break on the electronics...

[AntiChrist]

I've been saving quite a bit by just switching to CFLs... just wish they would be constructed a bit more sturdily... had a couple break on the electronics...

I'd switch to LED's before buying those things.

[CosmicCowboy]

Was that federally mandated?

Nope. And throw those fucking CFL's away. LED's rock. I'm almost all LED at home now.

[ElNono]

Nope. And throw those fucking CFL's away. LED's rock. I'm almost all LED at home now.

When I tried them a couple years ago, they weren't as bright... might have to give them a second look...

[Wild Cobra]

When I tried them a couple years ago, they weren't as bright... might have to give them a second look...
I tried a few of the earlier ones also, and didn't like them either. I am still using the 950 lumen Ecosmart I spoke of some time back, and it is great.

[CosmicCowboy]

When I tried them a couple years ago, they weren't as bright... might have to give them a second look...

As I was transitioning I had a room with incandescent, CFL, and LED BR30 floods and the LED's gave by far the brightest and most color true light. CFL's make everything look yellowish.

[ElNono]

As I was transitioning I had a room with incandescent, CFL, and LED BR30 floods and the LED's gave by far the brightest and most color true light. CFL's make everything look yellowish.

You can get bright white CFLs. The only issue with CFLs is that even "instant-on" ones can take a bit to give full brightness when it's too cold.

[boutons_deux]

"CFL's make everything look yellowish."

blanket statement doesn't apply since home depot/lowes have about 4 shades/color temps of CFL.

[CosmicCowboy]

"CFL's make everything look yellowish."

blanket statement doesn't apply since home depot/lowes have about 4 shades/color temps of CFL.

Fine.You liberals stay in the dark ages with your antique, mercury polluting CFLs. You are murdering chinese kids.

LED's are the shiznit.

[Wild Cobra]

FYI, I received notice and a tracking number. My Nanoleaf 100 watt equivalent LED is on it's way. It is now in the hands of the USPS, so I should get it any day now.

[boutons_deux]

Fine.You liberals stay in the dark ages with your antique, mercury polluting CFLs. You are murdering chinese kids.

LED's are the shiznit.

I'm not promoting CFL, just exposing your ignorance about the range of CFL color temperatures.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not promoting CFL, just exposing your ignorance about the range of CFL color temperatures.
Who cares if he doesn't know about the different K values. He doesn't like CFL's so he doesn't shop for them. You apparently do, and you posts suggest you do condone polluting China.

[Wild Cobra]

FYI, I received notice and a tracking number. My Nanoleaf 100 watt equivalent LED is on it's way. It is now in the hands of the USPS, so I should get it any day now.

LOL...

Damn Chinese tracking number. Must have been on a ship. Finally left the first USPS sorting facility, being there for about 13-1/3 hrs. Next stop, Seattle, then Portland, via FedX contract flight?

Times are Chinese time, not local:

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[Winehole23]

Lighting prices fall and efficiencies rise with the breathtaking inevitability of Moore’s Law in semiconductors. Moore’s Law, a prediction made by Intel co-founder Gordon Moore in 1965, says that the number of transistors packed on a chip will double every 18 to 24 months. More than half a century later, Moore’s Law still holds, although many experts believe it will run its course in a few more years. The lighting field has its own Moore’s Law, an LED counterpart called Haitz’s Law. In 2000, Dr. Roland Haitz, then with Agilent Technologies, predicted that the cost of LED lighting will fall by a factor of 10, while “flux per lamp” (what we call brilliance or luminosity) will increase by a factor of 20 per decade. How long that trend will continue is also a matter of intense debate, but solid-state lighting (SSL) technology is based on semiconductor components, so the technology price fix is in, at least for now, and lighting is likely to keep getting cheaper.

As prices fall, our use of light climbs in exact proportion. For several years now, physicist Jeff Tsao at Sandia National Laboratories has been digging into the economic cost-benefit ratios of artificial lighting. Analyzing data sets spanning three centuries and six continents, Tsao and his coworkers at Sandia have concluded that “the result of increases in luminous efficacy has been an increase in demand for energy used for lighting that nearly exactly offsets the efficiency gains—essentially a 100% rebound in energy use.”3 The Sandia group’s equations aren’t holy writ, but with remarkable consistency, human beings, when faced with the availability of a cheaper and more efficient lighting technology, simply use more of it. We don’t bank the savings, but instead fall into what is known as Jevons’ paradox, which states that technological improvements can be counterproductive if the resultant savings are spent rather than saved.


Tsao calculates that, as a result, light represents a constant fraction of per capita gross domestic product (GDP) over time; the world has been spending 0.72 percent of its GDP for light for 300 years now. If there are other energy markets that show a constant percentage of GDP expenditure over time, Tsao doesn’t know of them. Noted environmentalist Amory Lovins memorably told the New Yorker’s David Owen in 2010 that improved lighting has always been “a lunch you’re paid to eat.”4



Like any junkie, we don’t know when we’ve had enough. “One thing that evolutionary anthropologists have learned is that humans are not necessarily natural conservationists,” says biological anthropologist Carol Worthman of Emory University, who has done field work in developing countries with scant night lighting, such as New Guinea and Vietnam. “We don’t have inbuilt mechanisms to step down consumption, even in the best interest of our own physical health.” The disruption of circadian rhythms and the disappearing night sky are just a part of the price. We’ve even tried, and failed, to understand how much we need. “Despite over a century of research,” the Sandia group found, “recommended [lighting] levels for comparable spaces still vary by a factor of up to 20.”

http://nautil.us/issue/11/light/drowning-in-light

[boutons_deux]

"The disruption of circadian rhythms..."

.... for night shift workers has been "linked" to increase cancer, etc incidence.

[Winehole23]

As prices fall, our use of light climbs in exact proportion. For several years now, physicist Jeff Tsao at Sandia National Laboratories has been digging into the economic cost-benefit ratios of artificial lighting. Analyzing data sets spanning three centuries and six continents, Tsao and his coworkers at Sandia have concluded that “the result of increases in luminous efficacy has been an increase in demand for energy used for lighting that nearly exactly offsets the efficiency gains—essentially a 100% rebound in energy use.” The Sandia group’s equations aren’t holy writ, but with remarkable consistency, human beings, when faced with the availability of a cheaper and more efficient lighting technology, simply use more of it.same

[boutons_deux]

"when faced with the availability of a cheaper and more efficient lighting technology, simply use more of it."

the inverse is also true, as we saw when gas prices went way up after the 1973 M/E war. Fuel-efficient (but mostly shitty) cars were all the rage.

Raising Fed tax on gasoline over a ramp up of a few years to $7 or $8 would push people out of gasoline cars and into the huge construction in public, electrified transport. BigCarbon, who runs the country, won't permit it.

[boutons_deux]

LED lighting is so 2012: LG bets on an OLED lamp
http://www.cnet.com/news/led-lighting-is-so-2012-lg-bets-on-an-oled-lamp/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703&ftag=CAD090e536

[Wild Cobra]

LED lighting is so 2012: LG bets on an OLED lamp
http://www.cnet.com/news/led-lighting-is-so-2012-lg-bets-on-an-oled-lamp/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703&ftag=CAD090e536


I didn't see a mention of lumens.

The USPS lost my shipment. I think someone stole it from inside the USPS. A replacement was finally shipped today from China, new tracking number etc. The other one took from 3/7 to 3/19 to get to the delivery station, of which I should have received it on 3/19. Hopefully I get my 1600 lumen 12 watt LED bulb to test withing two weeks.

[Wild Cobra]

"when faced with the availability of a cheaper and more efficient lighting technology, simply use more of it."

the inverse is also true, as we saw when gas prices went way up after the 1973 M/E war. Fuel-efficient (but mostly shitty) cars were all the rage.

Raising Fed tax on gasoline over a ramp up of a few years to $7 or $8 would push people out of gasoline cars and into the huge construction in public, electrified transport. BigCarbon, who runs the country, won't permit it.






I'm actually OK with raising the fuel tax, but only up to around $1.00/gallon. The $0.18 hasn't increased for a very long time. I would raise pumped diesel for cars also, but not at truck stops. We need to keep transportation costs down.

[boutons_deux]

I'm actually OK with raising the fuel tax, but only up to around $1.00/gallon. The $0.18 hasn't increased for a very long time. I would raise pumped diesel for cars also, but not at truck stops. We need to keep transportation costs down.

Raise gasoline to $8/gal with federal taxes over a 5 year period. That GOVT POLICY will give a huge push to hydrogen and electric vehicules, while also providing funds to investment in the federal highway system and regional high speed, fully electric rail.

[TeyshaBlue]

Raise gasoline to $8/gal with federal taxes over a 5 year period. That GOVT POLICY will give a huge push to hydrogen and electric vehicules, while also providing funds to investment in the federal highway system and regional high speed, fully electric rail.

Just what we need...a super-regressive gasoline tax. That'll get the poor folks to pony up 30k for an electric car in no time. :facepalm

[Winehole23]

lol boutons screwing the 99%

[Winehole23]

so long as energy barons get screwed, the downstream wreckage hardly matters to boutons.

[Wild Cobra]

Raise gasoline to $8/gal with federal taxes over a 5 year period. That GOVT POLICY will give a huge push to hydrogen and electric vehicules, while also providing funds to investment in the federal highway system and regional high speed, fully electric rail.
Yes, I understand your authoritarian ideals and intent. All it will do is hurt a significant percentage of the population that will be forced out of personal transportation due to extra costs. You will simply give more power to the 1%.

Which side did you say you're on?

[Wild Cobra]

so long as energy barons get screwed, the downstream wreckage hardly matters to boutons.
Wages may not trickle down, but shit most certainly does...

[boutons_deux]

lol boutons screwing the 99%

BigOil is already screwing the 99% and will screw them more as oil and gas decline even more.

Better to fund PUBLIC investment to benefit the 99% (get something back for the taxes paid) rather than get nothing back other than stuff BigOil treasuries.

The urbanization and de-exurbanizaton, and de-surburbanization of USA continues.

[Wild Cobra]

BigOil is already screwing the 99% and will screw them more as oil and gas decline even more.

Better to fund PUBLIC investment to benefit the 99% (get something back for the taxes paid) rather than get nothing back other than stuff BigOil treasuries.

The urbanization and de-exurbanizaton, and de-surburbanization of USA continues.
I will suggest that most of us do not agree with your viewpoint to that extent. You are obviously blinded by your assumed noble ideals what the actual repercussion will be.

[boutons_deux]

I will suggest that most of us do not agree with your viewpoint to that extent. You are obviously blinded by your assumed noble ideals what the actual repercussion will be.

gas has gone up from lower $2+ to $3+ and rising in 4 years, and USA hasn't collapsed, but roads and bridges are deteriorating.

When taxes were a hell of a lot higher in the 1950s, esp on the wealth and corps, Ike/Repugs started/built the Interstate highway system that is STILL paying back in the $Ts.

btw, water, sewer, gas/oil pipelines are also 50+ years old, with no money to fix them.

[TeyshaBlue]

gas has gone up from lower $2+ to $3+ and rising in 4 years, and USA hasn't collapsed, but roads and bridges are deteriorating.

When taxes were a hell of a lot higher in the 1950s, esp on the wealth and corps, Ike/Repugs started/built the Interstate highway system that is STILL paying back in the $Ts.

btw, water, sewer, gas/oil pipelines are also 50+ years old, with no money to fix them.

Yeah cause $8, $10, $12/gal is exactly like $2, $3, $4/gal gas prices. :facepalm

[boutons_deux]

Yeah cause $8, $10, $12/gal is exactly like $2, $3, $4/gal gas prices. :facepalm

TB :lol are they? really? the higher prices through fed taxes will induce different consumer behaviors, bring new, cleaner products to the market, and divert $100Bs from BigOil to the govt for investing for the 99%, not screw the 99%.

[TeyshaBlue]

TB :lol are they? really? the higher prices through fed taxes will induce different consumer behaviors, bring new, cleaner products to the market, and divert $100Bs from BigOil to the govt for investing for the 99%, not screw the 99%.
:lol An $8/gal gas tax will induce alot of behaviors....like not eating, not paying rent, or not driving to work/school. Thats a total screw job for the 99%. Good thinking. :facepalm

[TeyshaBlue]

But, the 1% will hardly feel it so, good job!

[boutons_deux]

:lol An $8/gal gas tax will induce alot of behaviors....like not eating, not paying rent, or not driving to work/school. Thats a total screw job for the 99%. Good thinking. :facepalm

all that is going to occur anyway, with ALL the $Ts go to BigOil rather than to govt and 99%. Taxes can change behavior in a manageable fashion, both by consumers and by producers. But, don't worry, BigOil won't let any of their $Ts be taxed away.

[TeyshaBlue]

No, an $8/gal price hike is not going to "occur anyway". Just stop. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Again, a completely REGRESSIVE $8/gal gas tax is not the answer.

[Wild Cobra]

But, the 1% will hardly feel it so, good job!
That's something I can't understand about boutons. Doesn't he realize such things affect the less privileged more?

[Winehole23]

the 99% are mainly a prop for boutons' outrage and self-importance. to the extent that he views them as powerless, helpless victims, he ignores their lives as actually lived and dehumanizes them in a way that is little distinguishable from the big bad exploiters he secretly envies.

[boutons_deux]

winehole, I suggest you seek medical care for your butthurt

[Winehole23]

no thanks, I'm good.

[boutons_deux]

Again, a completely REGRESSIVE $8/gal gas tax is not the answer.

but you right wingers are all for flat income taxes with NO exceptions ( aka "skin in the game" for the working poor), and flat sales taxes that are both highly regressive

[boutons_deux]

That's something I can't understand about boutons. Doesn't he realize such things affect the less privileged more?

like your flat tax and consumption tax? :lol

there's LOTS of things you don't understand about LOTS of stuff

[TeyshaBlue]

but you right wingers are all for flat income taxes with NO exceptions ( aka "skin in the game" for the working poor), and flat sales taxes that are both highly regressive

lol @lazy conflation. Your one size fits all fails. I'm for none of those things. Could you be more intellectually lazy?

No.

[TeyshaBlue]

And your REGRESSIVE tax idea is still profoundly stupid.

[boutons_deux]

And your REGRESSIVE tax idea is still profoundly stupid.

there are ways to fix the regressivity, like there are in all regressive schemes.

[boutons_deux]

Here's BigOil killing public transport:

The Tennessee Senate passed a bill last week that, if approved, would broadly ban mass transit projects in the region, an anti-transit effort that’s gotten some help in the state from Charles and David Koch.

On Thursday, the Tennessee Senate passed (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/27/tenn-senate-approves-bill-block-amp-bus-project/6956069/) SB 2243 (http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/BillSummaryArchive.aspx?BillNumber=SB2243&ga=108), which includes an amendment that “prohibits metropolitan governments and any transit authorities created by a metropolitan government from constructing, maintaining or operating any bus rapid transit system using a separate lane, or other separate right-of-way, dedicated solely to the use of such bus rapid transit system on any state highway or state highway.” The amendment is aimed at Nashville’s proposed $174 million rapid bus system called the Amp, but would apply to any mass transit system proposed in Tennessee’s cities.

The Amp (http://www.nashvillemta-amp.org/AMP-FAQs-Nashville-MTA.asp), a proposed 7.1-mile bus rapid transit system that would cut commute times (http://www.nashvillemta-amp.org/AMP-FAQs-Nashville-MTA.asp) along one of Nashville’s major corridors, has been staunchly opposed by the Tennessee branch of Americans for Prosperity, a lobbying organization founded in part by the Koch brothers.

“It would be hugely transformational,” McCall said of the Amp. “If we don’t do it now, we’re going to be so far behind, and it’s really going to start to hinder our economic development and growth.”

“The Senate basically took a local project that has been in development for five years and voted an amendment to kill it,” Schatzlein said. “The project is the first leg of a regional transit system, so this vote impacts all of Middle Tennessee.”

AFP has chapters in 35 states, and this isn’t the first time they’ve lobbied against local energy and transit initiatives.

Last Summer in Georgia, AFP launched (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/07/09/2267051/koch-brothers-fund-effort-to-undermine-tea-party-support-of-solar-energy-in-georgia/) a “multi-pronged, grassroots driven initiative” that urged citizens to pressure members of the state’s Public Service Commission to reject an effort to require Georgia Power to expand its use of solar energy.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/04/01/3421088/koch-brothers-tennessee/

BigOil never met a 99%er it wouldn't screw.

All y'all Kock suckers happy?

[TeyshaBlue]

there are ways to fix the regressivity, like there are in all regressive schemes.

Yeah...one way is not to institute such a fucking regressive tax. You havent thought this through at all, per par.

[TeyshaBlue]

BigOil never met a 99%er it wouldn't screw.

All y'all Kock suckers happy?

lol goal post move.
lol lazy conflation.
lol progressive echo chamber.

[TeyshaBlue]

the 99% are mainly a prop for boutons' outrage and self-importance. to the extent that he views them as powerless, helpless victims, he ignores their lives as actually lived and dehumanizes them in a way that is little distinguishable from the big bad exploiters he secretly envies.

Boom. Roasted.

[Winehole23]

should have said us and our instead of them and their. I'm in that category.

[boutons_deux]

the 99% are mainly a prop for boutons' outrage and self-importance. to the extent that he views them as powerless, helpless victims, he ignores their lives as actually lived and dehumanizes them in a way that is little distinguishable from the big bad exploiters he secretly envies.

guess whom I KNOW always gets screwed WORST when shit hits the fan? like when global warming creates water, food, weather disasters arrive?

The 99%, esp the infamous 47%, will get hit the worst, practically HELPLESS victims to forces NOBODY will be able to control.

The regressivity of high fed taxes on transport fuel (to siphon profits from BigOil into govt where it can benefit the 99%, and to increase the viability non-BigOil energy) can be fixed.

[TeyshaBlue]

The regressivity of high fed taxes on transport fuel (to siphon profits from BigOil into govt where it can benefit the 99%, and to increase the viability non-BigOil energy) can be fixed.
:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

While I'm waiting for my 100 watt equivalent Nanoleaf, here are some specs:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/Nanoleaf075_zpsc62aa312.png (http://nanoleaf.me/pages/products)

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/Nanoleaf100_zps165ed7f9.png

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/Nanoleaf100plus_zpsab0626fa.png

[Wild Cobra]

Damn, it's a slow process to get my $50 LED light. Tracking finally shows it at customs. maybe I'll just order from Amazon:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91BiNkD39RL._SL1500_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/NanoLeaf-NL1200BN120V-1200Lm-Light-Black/dp/B00DT5K544)

[TeyshaBlue]

Home Depot has a 4 pack of Phillips 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs for $38. Less than $10 each now. :tu

[leemajors]

Home Depot has a 4 pack of Phillips 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs for $38. Less than $10 each now. :tu

I caught some at best buy for $5 a bulb around September, was only able to order 8 but they are great. Next to no heat from the bulbs

[Winehole23]

government regs in action: strangling innovation, restricting choice and raising the price of everything.

[Wild Cobra]

Home Depot has a 4 pack of Phillips 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs for $38. Less than $10 each now. :tu
They also have a 4 pack of 40 watt equivalent for $15. After making that posting, I searched for 100W equivalents. There are 3 Home depot stores listed in the Portland metro area as having them. I drove out to the Clackamas location to find out they just received them and didn't get unpacked yet out of the shipment. I am only interested in the 100 watt equivalents. I should be able to buy the Cree 100W equivalent today.

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/4e/4e8b0ace-5c58-4554-a6af-9dd9e6c4a490_400.jpg (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-100W-Equivalent-Daylight-5000K-A21-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-5-Pack-BA21-16050OMF-12DE26-1U100/205083141?cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-205083141&skwcid&kwd=&ci_sku=205083141&ci_kw=&ci_gpa=pla&ci_src=17588969)

These use 18 watts for 1600 lumens. The Nanoleaf I am waiting for only uses 12 watts for 1600 lumens. My tracking finally shows it stateside and I think I'll get it later this week. I will pick up some of these Cree and compare them with the Nanoleaf.

[scott]

Thanks for your support of American Manufacturing, WC

[Wild Cobra]

Thanks for your support of American Manufacturing, WC
I would love to buy US made LED 100 watt equivalents.

Do you know of a manufacturer that survived Clinton's global free trade?

[Wild Cobra]

Scott, to add. LEDnovations claims to manufacture here in the USA. Their only 100W equivalent uses 19 watts and uses a color temperature of 2700 K. I'm even skeptical about using the 3500 K Nanoleaf, but it only uses 12 watts for the true 100 watt equivalent 1600 lumens output. The Cree I will be picking up in an hour or so has a 1600 lumen output with 18 watts which is similar to the LEDnovations, but is closer to my preferred daylight color output. It has a 5000 K color. I'm currently using lamps that I think are 5700 K everywhere in my place.

I stopped looking, but I didn't see a retailer for the LEDnovation A21 lamp. Only at their web site.

http://www.lednovation.com/products/pdf/Spec_LEDH-A21-100-1-27D-IO.pdf

[Wild Cobra]

Scott.

I found a retailer for the LEDnovation A21. Their site says they are out of stock, but I left my email for notification when they get some in. I will be calling the manufacturer tomorrow during business hours to see if the have a retailer in the Portland metro area.

Earth LED's price is $59.99 ea:

http://earthled.com/products/lednovation-bright-for-life-omni-directional100-watt-replacement-a19-led#.U1CikqIVAk4

I will buy at least one of these. I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?

[DMX7]

Scott.

I found a retailer for the LEDnovation A21. Their site says they are out of stock, but I left my email for notification when they get some in. I will be calling the manufacturer tomorrow during business hours to see if the have a retailer in the Portland metro area.

Earth LED's price is $59.99 ea:

http://earthled.com/products/lednovation-bright-for-life-omni-directional100-watt-replacement-a19-led#.U1CikqIVAk4

I will buy at least one of these. I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?

I bought the GE LED lightbulbs. They're like $20 with good white light and low energy consumption.

[scott]

Scott.

I found a retailer for the LEDnovation A21. Their site says they are out of stock, but I left my email for notification when they get some in. I will be calling the manufacturer tomorrow during business hours to see if the have a retailer in the Portland metro area.

Earth LED's price is $59.99 ea:

http://earthled.com/products/lednovation-bright-for-life-omni-directional100-watt-replacement-a19-led#.U1CikqIVAk4

I will buy at least one of these. I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?

I've bought at least $2,000 worth of LED bulbs in the last 2 years, but most are made in China. But I've spent $1.3 million in the last 5 months on American manufactured goods, with another $1.2 million to go. Am I winning yet?

[Wild Cobra]

I've bought at least $2,000 worth of LED bulbs in the last 2 years, but most are made in China. But I've spent $1.3 million in the last 5 months on American manufactured goods, with another $1.2 million to go. Am I winning yet?
Great!

Glad you choose to do so.

The only Cree I noticed that is labeled "Made in the USA" are some of their lighting fixtures. The five 100W equivalents I bought last night are great! Love the brightness and color. However, they are "Assembled in the USA." Still better than something "Made in China."

A friend and I were discussing that, wondering how much is necessary for the "assembled in the USA" label. We figured they probably got the heat sink and electronics in China, then the actual bulb part here, and put it together here. Probably more cost effective for shipping purposes because a rough guesstimate, you can ship 10 or more internal elements and heat sinks in the same volume as the package for one. At least some people are employed here operating and maintaining the assembly equipment.

It doesn't look like I'll be able to buy the 100W equivalent from LEDnovation. When I called, they said they are going out of business. They simply cannot compete in Clinton's free trade zone.

[Wild Cobra]

Damn...

The Cree 100W equivalent is enough larger that it doesn't fit in all light fixtures I need it to.

[Wild Cobra]

I bought the GE LED lightbulbs. They're like $20 with good white light and low energy consumption.
How many lumens, and what's the color temperature?

The Cree 100W equivalents at Home depot were $20.97 each.

They are true 100W equivalents... 1600 lumens! 18 watts.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

Just check the Home Depot site again. Yesterday, it was only showing three stores in the Portland Metro area having the Cree 100W equivalents. Now it looks like they all do.

[dbestpro]

like your flat tax and consumption tax? :lol



Would you support the elimination of income tax for a progressive sales tax? This being a tax that has a higher percentage increase based off of the cost of the ticket item. Seems like it would be something the rich could not avoid, the poor would get some skin in the game (low percentage), and the middle income would not asked to commit economic ruin.

[Th'Pusher]

Would you support the elimination of income tax for a progressive sales tax? This being a tax that has a higher percentage increase based off of the cost of the ticket item. Seems like it would be something the rich could not avoid, the poor would get some skin in the game (low percentage), and the middle income would not asked to commit economic ruin.
An income tax results in economic ruin for those earning in the 'middle income' range? Do explain.

[Wild Cobra]

You know, I was thinking about the thread title, and I contend it still applies to the OP as intended.

The cheapest true 100 watt equivalent that fits in an A19 size application is now $50 plus shipping.

The Cree I paid $20.97 each for do not fit in an A19 size. They are A21.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://earthled.com/products/xledia-d100n-a19-15-watt-1520-lumens-cool-white-5000k-100-watt-equal

$39.

60 Watt $10

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/112128/LED-1600AD27.html

100 watt dimmable $25 and change.

From a 12 second google search.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/112128/LED-1600AD27.html

100 watt dimmable $25 and change.

From a 12 second google search.
Your 1000 bulbs link is a size A21, not A19. The other looks like it might prove me wrong. Only 1520 lumens, but I'm not going to quibble over 5%.

I guess the question is this...

What does the "lighting facts" sticker look like for that bulb?

[TeyshaBlue]

My bad...the A19 is right below the A21.

[Wild Cobra]

Haven't found a "lighting fact" for it yet for consistent comparisons. The bulb is within A19 lengths, but a larger diameter and still may not work in all A19 applications.

http://www.synxiaphotonic.com/uploads/9/3/8/9/9389614/1582939_orig.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Thanx for the link. Now I'm going to have to order at least one of those D100's.

[Wild Cobra]

I received my Nanoleaf today. It fits in the fixture that the Cree wouldn't. However, I like the Cree better because it is the 5000 K color. The Nanoleaf is 3500 K.

Rather than order the D100, I'm going to go locally with Batteries Plus. They have one that looks good:

http://www.batteriesplus.com/images/Product/Large/772774.jpg (http://www.batteriesplus.com/bulbs-product/LED-Light-Bulbs/A-Shape-%28A%29/100/LED10955A-A19-Daylight-22-dot5W-Light-Bulb/100220-107133-108103-772774.aspx)

It uses 22.5 watts for 1640 lumens and it looks like it will fit nicely in the A19 size. I will buy the Cree's for most other places.

[Wild Cobra]

I finally made it over to Batteries Plus about an hour ago and bought two of the Duracell 100 watt equivalents pictured in my last post. They are a true A19 size, measuring 19/8 (2-3/8) of an inch in diameter.

Very nice output and color, but they do use 22.5 watts. Also spendy at $39.99 each. If you want a true A19 size and 1640 lumens, this is the one to buy.

A few days ago, I bought more of the Cree 100 watt equivalents. 1600 lumen for 18 watts. I now have 16 of them at $20.97 each.

[Winehole23]

Back in 2012, the U.S. government started phasing out incandescent light bulbs, in an attempt to turn Americans on to energy-efficient alternatives. The reaction has mostly been underwhelming—incandescents still outsell more efficient alternatives like LEDs and compact fluorescents, and make up 65% of lightbulb shipments, due to leftover inventory from before the bans, along with regulation-compliant halogens.





However, the New York Times reports (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/business/energy-environment/new-ideas-in-lighting-get-closer-to-market.html?_r=2) that two companies are debuting new bulb technologies, hoping to cash in on the desire for the same warm glow as Edison’s big idea in a more environmentally palatable package—if not the relatively low price.





The first entrant is called Finally, as in: Finally, here’s an eco-friendly, somewhat cheap (8$) bulb that won’t make your room glow like a chain-store pharmacy. These bulbs pump a magnetic field through a tiny piece of solid mercury, which creates ultraviolet light. The ultraviolet light agitates a phosphor coating on the inside of the glass, emitting visible light.




Another technology called Vu1 creates light using technology similar to the cathode rays that used to power old TVs. It was supposed to debut three years ago, but has had some manufacturing issues. Vu1 has only designed flood-style bulbs for recessed fixtures so far. Each bulb costs $15 (http://www.vu1corporation.com/products/), is mercury-free, and is supposed to have a warm light that’s similar to incandescent bulbs.





In the meantime, if you are an environmental scofflaw, you can get incandescent bulbs on the internet (http://www.amazon.com/GE-Lighting-41028-60-Watt-4-Pack/dp/B000BPILBY/ref=lp_328865011_1_2?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1399321155&sr=1-2) for a little more than a dollar apiece. http://qz.com/206252/americas-draconian-lightbulb-laws-are-fueling-the-search-for-bright-new-ideas/

[CosmicCowboy]

I bought this LED worklight a couple months ago and it kicks fucking ass. Doesnt' look like any LED I have ever seen. It's so bright it almost burns your eyes to look at it and so far it has been unbreakable unlike those POS halogen work lights where we were replacing bulbs every other day.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FQJRF6W/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[boutons_deux]

I bought this LED worklight a couple months ago and it kicks fucking ass. Doesnt' look like any LED I have ever seen. It's so bright it almost burns your eyes to look at it and so far it has been unbreakable unlike those POS halogen work lights where we were replacing bulbs every other day.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FQJRF6W/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm always amazed at how damn bright the cop and EMS LED lights are from many 100s of yards.

[Wild Cobra]

http://qz.com/206252/americas-draconian-lightbulb-laws-are-fueling-the-search-for-bright-new-ideas/

I'm not impressed... at all...

The Finally if really just $8 is OK, but still... LED prices are coming down, and use less power. Really something necessary for people using solar cells and wanting off the grid.

Finally lighting facts:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/finallybulb/lightingfacts_FNL-A19-60-W27-120-ND.pdf

14.5 watts for 800 lumens... Get with the times please. Home depot's Cree 60 watt equivalent have come down to $4.97 each, use 9.5 watts, and output 800 lumens.

And... a 25,000 hour life instead of 14,500.

The $15 floodlight in the article uses 19.5 watts and only 500 lumens:

http://www.vu1corporation.com/products/?_ga=1.93810973.1212033964.1399429183

Lumens = 500
115V AC input power: 19.5W
Color Temperature = 3200K
Color Rendering Index > 90+
High Power Factor > .99
Fully linear dimming with ordinary household Triac-based dimmers
Approximately 11,000 hour life

Now the Cree 65 watt equivalents LED available at Home depot use 9.5 watts and output 850 lumens, for $14.97 each, and a 25,000 hour life.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm always amazed at how damn bright the cop and EMS LED lights are from many 100s of yards.
It helps that they flash, and aren't on continuously. They don't have the same heat problems as remaining on.

[Wild Cobra]

Nice...

I replaced some PAR38 flood lamps today with the Cree 90 watt equivalent. They were $24.97 each, I have now spent more than $500 in LED lights in the last few weeks. These Cree keep impressing me. I took out the GE FLE26/2/PAR38/XL that were installed about a year ago. The Cree are at least twice as bright since the CFL loses brightness with time. Damn it's bright...
Of the two:

Cree; 18 watts 1500 lumens.

GE; 26 watts 1300 lumens, but the specs say that is initial with 1040 average.

Two links for comparison, for those interested:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-90W-Equivalent-Bright-White-3000K-PAR38-47-Degree-Flood-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-BPAR38-1503047T-12DE26-1U100/205184900

http://genet.gelighting.com/LightProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=COMMERCIALSPECPAGE&PRODUCTCODE=80895

[Wild Cobra]

For those wanting a good three-way bulb, Home Depot now has available a 30/60/100 watt equivalent (320/820/1620 lumens) for $24.97.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-30-60-100W-Equivalent-Soft-White-2700K-3-Way-A21-LED-Light-Bulb-BA21-16027OMF-12WE26-1U100/205226208?N=5yc1vZbm79Zbol

[Wild Cobra]

I found this going to Cree's site:

link: Cree Announces Next-Generation XP LED Delivering 200 Lumens Per Watt (http://www.cree.com/News-and-Events/Cree-News/Press-Releases/2014/May/XPL-intro)

First paragraph:


DURHAM, NC -- Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE) introduces the XLamp® XP-L LED, the first commercially available single-die LED to achieve breakthrough efficacy of up to 200 lumens per watt (LPW) at 350 mA. Delivering up to 1226 lumens in a 3.45 mm x 3.45 mm package, the game-changing Cree® XLamp XP-L LED enables an immediate performance increase of 50 percent or more as a drop-in upgrade for lighting designs based on Cree’s market-leading XLamp XP-G LEDs.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm thinking of replacing my kitchen lighting with this:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/67/67720907-0a3c-4356-b2f3-3b2177c9d79d_400.jpg (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-40-in-LED-Surface-Linear-Fluorescent-Fixture-RL40-40L-35K/204336646?N=5yc1vZc7buZbol)

Thoughts?

Link in pic.

[scott]

I'm thinking of replacing my kitchen lighting with this:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/67/67720907-0a3c-4356-b2f3-3b2177c9d79d_400.jpg (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-40-in-LED-Surface-Linear-Fluorescent-Fixture-RL40-40L-35K/204336646?N=5yc1vZc7buZbol)

Thoughts?

Link in pic.

I've got LED strip lights similar to these going into an office setting next month. I'll let you know how they are.

[Wild Cobra]

I've got LED strip lights similar to these going into an office setting next month. I'll let you know how they are.
I'll bet it will be great... at least if it's Cree or Phillips. Cree seems to have the best value in lumens per watt, CRI, and cost per lumen.

The only reason I didn't buy it yesterday is because I'll be replacing a 1' x 4' footprint on a popcorn ceiling. It's just shy of 6" x 40". 4000 lumens for 55 watts... I don't know what the typical 2 tube 40 watt florescent output in lumens, but I'm pretty sure 4000 lumens is fine for my kitchen.

[Th'Pusher]

I'll bet it will be great... at least if it's Cree or Phillips. Cree seems to have the best value in lumens per watt, CRI, and cost per lumen.

The only reason I didn't buy it yesterday is because I'll be replacing a 1' x 4' footprint on a popcorn ceiling. It's just shy of 6" x 40". 4000 lumens for 55 watts... I don't know what the typical 2 tube 40 watt florescent output in lumens, but I'm pretty sure 4000 lumens is fine for my kitchen.

WC living in the stylish lap of luxury no doubt. How about retexturing the place and dropping in some recessed cans?

[boutons_deux]

http://www.cnet.com/products/philips-slimstyle-br30-led/?tag=nl.e404&s_cid=e404&ttag=e404&ftag=CAD1acfa04

[boutons_deux]

$10.5 Million For Low Cost LEDs

The new low cost LED funding (http://energy.gov/eere/articles/energy-department-invests-more-10-million-efficient-lighting-rd?utm_source=PA934&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ProgressAlerts) will be distributed among nine one- to two-year projects in six different states. The total Energy Department contribution adds up to $10.5 million. The recipients will chip in an additional $3.7 million for a total of $13.7 all together.

Here’s the breakdown:

1. In Pennsylvania, Carnegie Mellon University is tasked with “Novel Transparent Phosphor Conversion Matrix with High Thermal Conductivity for Next-Generation Phosphor-Converted LED-based Solid State Lighting.” That’s fancyspeak for impriving heat transfer.

CMU’s work is expected to achieve thermal conductivity of more than five times over conventional LED technology.

That, in turn, is expected to reduce the price of light by up to 50–60%, as meausred in $/klm.

2. Now, here’s a name that should ring a bell. North Carolina’s Cree (http://www.cree.com/Lighting) has been front and center in the LED market, and just last January the company announced a low cost LED breakthrough (http://planetsave.com/2014/01/27/cree-hits-led-target-doe-projected-wouldnt-occur-2020/) that beat the Energy Department’s 2020 goal for demonstrating a 200 lumen-per-watt (LPW) LED.

In this round of funding, Cree will focus on modifying conventional LED manufacturing processes, resulting in more economical, compact products.

3. In Ohio, the company Momentive Performance Materials Quartz, Inc. will do something called “Next-Generation LED Package Architectures Enabled by Thermally Conductive Transparent Encapsulants.” The company will tweak LED technology with nanoscale boron nitride, with the goal of producing higher lumen output at the same cost.

4. In New York, the company OLEDWorks, LLC will live up to its name with a project that examines different combinations of components to determine the most efficient way to improve OLED (organic light emitting diode) performance.

5. In California another familiar name, Philips (http://www.usa.philips.com/), pops up in the form of Philips Lumileds Lighting Company, LLC. This project, titled “High-Voltage LED Light Engine with Integrated Driver,” is aimed at a comprehensive cost reduction.

Philips is casting a wide net with this one. The company aims to reduce the size of the LED package and use fewer components, as well as reducing the weight and size of the housing. If all goes as planned that will also lead to a more simple, less costly fabrication process.

6. In New York, Philips pops up again. This time it’s Philips Research North America, LLC, which will focus specifically on aesthetics, as well as energy efficiency, as applied to patient suites (room + bathroom) in medical facilities.

The expectation is that LEDs can be tailored to contribute patient wellness by providing a more soothing environment, without compromising the lighting needs of the staff.

7. In Maryland there’s a new name on the scene (new to us, at least). A company called Pixelligent Technologies, LLC will use its proprietary sub-10 nm ZrO2 (zirconium oxide) nanocrystals to boost the light extraction efficiency of OLED lighting to the 70 percent level, without compromising other factors.

8. In New Jersey, Princeton University will also work the OLED angle with a project that tackles the efficiency of outcoupling (outcoupling refers to strategies for coaxing light out of OLEDs that is otherwise trapped inside).

Here’s a rather poetic description from the Energy Department:

This project will integrate multiple aspects of outcoupling enhancement within one OLED structure such that the enhancement is greater than the sum of its parts owing to a holistic approach that treats the system as a whole rather than multiple approaches spliced together.


9. In California, the University of of California tackles the OLED cost problem head on by developing a low cost plastic substrate that could replace other expensive components.
U-Cal is aiming its sights high. It expects the cheap substitute to match the quality of high grade ITO glass, while achieving a 200% improvement on light extraction (ITO glass is a glass substrate tarted up with indium tin oxide).

We Built These Low Cost LEDs!

This is actually Round 9 for the Energy Department’s solid state lighting grants for industry and academic partners, which has already proved instrumental in bringing the cost of LEDs down to a reasonable level. So go ahead and pat yourself on the back, taxpayers.

As a side note, the geographic distribution of the grants illustrates yet another way in which the Obama Administration has been pushing an environmental agenda, despite the efforts of (mostly) Republican state and federal legislators and governors to work in the opposite direction.

Count down that list of Round 9 grants and you’ll see nine industry and academic partners in six different states, four of which have Republican governors notorious for their ties to the fossil energy-leaning lobbying organization ALEC (the American Legislative Exchange Council) and/or the Koch Brothers, who are well known for lobbying on behalf of their extensive fossil energy investments.

Those governors would be Ohio’s John Kasich (http://site.pfaw.org/pdf/ALEC-in-Ohio.pdf), Pennsylvania’s Tom Corbett (http://blog.workingamerica.org/tag/tom-corbett/), North Carolina’s Pat McCrory (http://www.indyweek.com/triangulator/archives/2013/01/11/mccrorys-chief-lobbyist-fred-steen-also-an-alec-bigwig), and New Jersey’s Chris Christie (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/09/audio-chris-christie-koch-brothers-seminar).

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/06/14/10-million-low-cost-leds/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

[Wild Cobra]

Commercial interests should not be given these subsidies. They are competing for the market already, and all this money will do is allow the government to pick winners and losers, making it political.

This is a terrible use of government funding.

[boutons_deux]

Commercial interests should not be given these subsidies. They are competing for the market already, and all this money will do is allow the government to pick winners and losers, making it political.

This is a terrible use of government funding.

but $3T wasted on Iraq-for-BigOil was well spent.

[Wild Cobra]

Yesterday, I bought five of the Cree three way bulbs. They are pretty nice. Link in pic:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/ef/ef27c1d9-7036-4295-bf8e-a5c8a25716f0_400.jpg (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-30-60-100W-Equivalent-Soft-White-2700K-3-Way-A21-LED-Light-Bulb-BA21-16027OMF-12WE26-1U100/205226208)

[Wild Cobra]

but $3T wasted on Iraq-for-BigOil was well spent.
It wasn't for oil. I guess you would have agreed to it if we did get oil out of it.

[boutons_deux]

It wasn't for oil.

You Lie

BigOil didn't get the production contracts it wanted, and didn't get the oil it wanted, but the dubya/dickhead/BigOil objective in Iraq the oil.

[Wild Cobra]

You Lie

BigOil didn't get the production contracts it wanted, and didn't get the oil it wanted, but the dubya/dickhead/BigOil objective in Iraq the oil.
Why do you have to pollute every thread with oil?

[DMX7]

OP must feel so stupid about this thread. LED bulbs are great and cheap.

[Wild Cobra]

OP must feel so stupid about this thread. LED bulbs are great and cheap.
Oh I doubt it. The timelines initially posted about banning incandescent make them expensive. The best price I've seen for a 100 watt equivalent LED that fits in the bulb A19 form factor is $40, and it would be $50 or more a year ago. Most 100 watt equivalents are the A21 size, and will not fit in many application. These are still $20.

[Wild Cobra]

OP must feel so stupid about this thread. LED bulbs are great and cheap.
A few highlights from the linked material in the OP:


To encourage energy efficiency, Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals, starting in 2012.
At $40 now, they would have definitely been $50 or more in 2012. When the mandate took effect.


Creating good alternatives to the light bulb has been more difficult than expected, especially for the very bright 100-watt bulbs. Part of the problem is that these new bulbs have to fit into lamps and ceiling fixtures designed for older technology.



Before the 100-watters, there will be 75-watters on the shelves this year. Osram Sylvania will be selling them at Lowe's starting in July. Royal Philips Electronics NV, the world's biggest lighting maker, will have them in stores late this year for $40 to $45.
$75 watters are now available in the A19 size for about $12.


To stimulate LED development, the federal government has instituted a $10 million "L Prize" for an energy-efficient replacement for the 60-watt bulb. Philips is so far the only entrant in testing, and Eftekhar expects the company to win it soon. But Lighting Sciences Group plans its own entry, which it will demonstrate at the trade show.

Philips has been selling a 60-watt-equivalent bulb at Home Depot since December that's quite similar to the one submitted to the contest. But it's slightly dimmer, consumes 2 watts too much power and costs $40, whereas the L Prize target is $22. Sylvania sells a similar LED bulb at Lowe's, also for $40.
Phillips ended up winning this L-Prize, but weeks later, the Cree 60 watt equivalent you see on the shelves now are superior.


However, LED prices are coming down quickly. The DoE expects a 60-watt equivalent LED bulb to cost $10 by 2015, putting them within striking range of the price of a compact fluorescent bulb.
Cree 40 and 60 watt $6.97 at Home Depot now. They originally had them for $4.97 as a "new low price," but it appears they cannot maintain that price point for now, or decided they can make that extra $3 profit since nobody else is was good at that price.

Here is the only worth while watt 100 equivalent I know of that fits an application restricted to the A19 size:

http://www.batteriesplus.com/images/Product/Large/772766.jpg (http://www.batteriesplus.com/bulbs-product/LED-Light-Bulbs/A-Shape-%28A%29/100/LED10954A-Cool-White-22-dot5W-A19-Light-Bulb/100220-107133-108103-772769.aspx)

They cost $39.99 for 1600 lumens and use 22.5 watts. Available in cool white, warm while, and daylight. The daylight puts out 1640 lumens.

I have found others when searching for the 100 watt equivalent size and A19, but they all have had A21 when you look at their specs.

[Winehole23]

http://buy.lifx.co/001/zs/

[boutons_deux]

http://buy.lifx.co/001/zs/

Same question as for "Internet of All-My-Stuff" (like my entry door locks and HVAC). Hackable?

[Winehole23]

one would think so

[Winehole23]

voila:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/crypto-weakness-in-smart-led-lightbulbs-exposes-wi-fi-passwords/

[Wild Cobra]

voila:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/crypto-weakness-in-smart-led-lightbulbs-exposes-wi-fi-passwords/
I hate mesh networks. Nothing but problems when you have just one finicky device.

[Wild Cobra]

Now this is cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reI9BlLx65Y

They are doing a kickstarter camapaign again for it.

After this next payday, I'm taking the $400 option:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nanoleaf/nanoleaf-bloom-the-first-bulb-that-dims-without-a

[cantthinkofanything]

Now this is cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reI9BlLx65Y

Fake

[Wild Cobra]

Fake
No it isn't.

I already have their 12 watt/100 watt equivalent/ 1600 lumen bulb.

It's great!

[cantthinkofanything]

No it isn't.

I already have their 12 watt/100 watt equivalent/ 1600 lumen bulb.

It's great!

Watt you talkin' bout Willis?
"lumen"...haha

[Wild Cobra]

Watt you talkin' bout Willis?
"lumen"...haha

Please...

Get an education. School is free you know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_%28unit%29

[cantthinkofanything]

Please...

Get an education. School is free you know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_%28unit%29

Wikipedia...where the uneducated go to get trolled...

[Wild Cobra]

Wikipedia...where the uneducated go to get trolled...
No, I thought it would be at a low enough level for you to comprehend.

My bad.

I'm done with you.

[cantthinkofanything]

No, I thought it would be at a low enough level for you to comprehend.

My bad.

I'm done with you.

That's what I thought. Enjoy your "Nanoleaf Bloom".
LMAO. Hope it has a high lumen rating.

[boutons_deux]

IKEA today had 40W LED bulbs in bright white frosted bulbs, standard base, for $4.99.

[Wild Cobra]

IKEA today had 40W LED bulbs in bright white frosted bulbs, standard base, for $4.99.
The ones that use 6 watts and have 400 lumen output?

The Cree 40 watt equivalents are a bit more at $6.97 at Home depot, but they output 450 lumens and use 6 watts.

Do you want to support Sweden, or the USA?

Cree = USA.

IKEA LEDARE = Sweden.

The Crees also have 330 degrees of light. I doubt the LEDARE's do. They look like they have about 300 degrees of coverage.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/images/products/ledare-led-bulb-e__0212705_PE366733_S4.JPG (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/images/products/ledare-led-bulb-e__0212705_PE366733_S4.JPG)



http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/17/17d1ad5f-da39-482a-b607-e1d78a06e62a_400.jpg (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-40W-Equivalent-Soft-White-2700K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-BA19-04527OMF-12DE26-2U100/204476612)

[Wild Cobra]

I've tried a great deal of different LED bulbs. In my view, Cree is the winner, hands down.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyYAqzGm_Gg

[lazerelmo]

Additional information for the light bulb enthusiasts. Instant On using Acandescent technology.

http://finallybulbs.co (http://finallybulbs.com)m

[Wild Cobra]

Additional information for the light bulb enthusiasts. Instant On using Acandescent technology.

http://finallybulbs.co (http://finallybulbs.com)m


See post 837.

Finally Ligting facts:

https://cdn3.volusion.com/dckgk.pvccu/v/vspfiles/photos/FNL-A19-60-W27-120-ND-S-5T.jpg

The Cree 60 watt equivalents are available now at $6.97.

The Cree's DO NOT CONTAIN MERCURY

The Crees use 9.5 watts vs. 14.5 watts.

Cree lighting facts:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/56/569ed453-7895-4fbe-b1cf-da36be29a1d5_400.jpg

[Big Empty]

so i dont want to read 29 pages lol. have any of you invested in these types of bulbs and have you noticed any differences on your light bill?

[Wild Cobra]

so I dont want to read 29 pages lol. have any of you invested in these types of bulbs and have you noticed any differences on your light bill?
I won't see a recognizable difference in my lighting bill. I've already gone to CFL so many years ago. The difference lighting makes will be too tine for me to see. I simply like the life and efficiency.

For anyone living in hotter areas, If I use a light bulb that produces 800 lumens at 9.5 watts vs. 14.5 watts, I am producing the same light with 5 watts less of heating. The CFL's use somewhere arounf 13 watts for the 800 lumen range, but incandescent uses 60 watts.

Doesn't much matter for the winter when I'm heating the place anyway, but in the summer, it's more my air conditioner has to work. Besides, I prefer the place being well lighted, As I typing this, I have two 100 watt equivalent Cree's overhead that use 36 watts vs. 200 watts of incandescent.

[Winehole23]

I simply like the life and efficiency.

[Wild Cobra]

Bloomberg interviews Gimmy Chu:

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/-nanoleaf-looks-to-light-up-your-life-kGMv9FDkRu6lwxyxUVG6Bg.html

[Agloco]

I'm interested in some of the $50 dollar bulbs. Anyone see these on the shelves?

[Wild Cobra]

I'm interested in some of the $50 dollar bulbs. Anyone see these on the shelves?

It's an old thread. The A19 size 1600 lumens are now $40. Go to your nearest Batteries + Bulbs store.

http://www.batteriesplus.com/images/Product/Large/772769.jpg (http://www.batteriesplus.com/bulbs-product/LED/A-Shape-%28A%29/100/LED10954A-Cool-White-22-dot5W-A19-Light-Bulb/100220-107133-108103-772769.aspx)

link in pic.

[Drachen]

Lol! I was just at HEB today and they are doing some special. 60w equivalent for $6.97 with a $6.00 coupon.

[baseline bum]

LOL who wants a lightbulb that takes twice as much power to run as a CPU?

[Wild Cobra]

Lol! I was just at HEB today and they are doing some special. 60w equivalent for $6.97 with a $6.00 coupon.
Is there a limit?

If that's the same one I found searching, that is a steal. I found it's an 800 lumen that uses 9.5 watts, 2700 k color. Not as efficient as some, but still a fantastic deal.

Unless you want more than 800 lumens, I suggest buying as many as you need, and a few more.

[ChumpDumper]

http://images.frys.com/art/email/012015_tue012pwr/box-19.jpg

$4 per 60w equivalent bulb at Fry's

lol Darrin

[Wild Cobra]

They are becoming rather affordable!

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol! I was just at HEB today and they are doing some special. 60w equivalent for $6.97 with a $6.00 coupon.

Which HEB? I couldn't find it in the online ads...

[DarrinS]

http://images.frys.com/art/email/012015_tue012pwr/box-19.jpg

$4 per 60w equivalent bulb at Fry's

lol Darrin



They suck. I bought some for my kitchen light fixtures. They are bright enough and have warm color, but because of their design, they leave a dark area around where the bulb screws into the fixture. Looks shitty, so I went and bought some halogens.

If they make a so-called "omnidirectional" led bulb, I haven't seen a good one yet.

[TeyshaBlue]

Bought 2 60w Cree for $14 and change at Home Depot.

[DarrinS]

Bought 2 60w Cree for $14 and change at Home Depot.


Those are the ones I bought. Look like shit in this kind of fixture.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-Bay-Oron-3-Light-Brushed-Steel-Island-Light-HDP12070/204231123?N=5yc1vZc7nt

[TeyshaBlue]

Depends on if you get the soft white or the bright bulbs.

[Wild Cobra]

Bought 2 60w Cree for $14 and change at Home Depot.

Cree are the best value to buy if you want omnidirectional.

[Drachen]

The date on that comment was November 6

[DMX7]

Replaced all the bulbs in my home with LEDs (most of them a year ago, but finally got around to the rest). Even if they weren't more energy efficient, I would probably do it again anyway just because I like the better quality of the light.

[Winehole23]

soft white dimmable, 8 watts, 9 bucks, 22.8 year lifetime:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00JM72W58/boingboing

[Wild Cobra]

Winehole, that 8 watt is for 450 lumens.

The Cree 40W equivalent uses 6 watts, and is $7.97 for the newer design at 460 lumens, or the earlier disign is $6.97 for the 450 lumen.

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/7e/7e2f8544-6868-4f6f-866f-f6e4c4a92f6a_400.jpg

How about this Cree 11 watt 850 lumen for $7.97...

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/40/403a8105-9bfb-4864-9e9f-71d2a37109e4_400.jpg

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-60W-Equivalent-Soft-White-2700K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-with-4Flow-Filament-Design-BA19-08027OMF-12DE26-3U100/205597078

They also have the 60 watt equivalents in the earlier design for $6.97 each, also 850 lumens and only used 9.5 watts.

All these are dimable, and local purchase at your nearest Home Depot.

[Winehole23]

plenty of options well below $10.

so much for government mandated $50 LEDs.

[DarrinS]

I've had bad experience with some that I've bought. I'll wait until they've worked all the bugs out.

[Wild Cobra]

plenty of options well below $10.

so much for government mandated $50 LEDs.

Once again, the A19 size 100 watt equivalents are still expensive.

Context...

Is important...

I think the cheapest you can find an A19 size 1600+ lumen bulb is $39.95. It went below $50 maybe 2 years ago. This thread started how long ago? Isn't it 5 years old now?

I challenge you to find an A19 size 1600 lumen LED.

Careful now... some say A19 shape, and are not A19 sized.

The A number is 8th's of an inch. An A19 bulb will be 19/8" or 2-3/8" in diameter. Most 100 watt equivalents are A21 or larger.

[Winehole23]

I've had bad experience with some that I've bought. I'll wait until they've worked all the bugs out.you can still get the kind you like? I thought they were banned...

[DarrinS]

you can still get the kind you like? I thought they were banned...

I recently bought some halogens that meet the new efficiency standard -- and they are absolute crap (short life).

I've also had some of these "20 year LED bulbs" take a dump after a week or so. Heat management seems to be an issue, especially in downward facing fixtures.

[DarrinS]

That one that WC posted looks promising, but read the reviews. The bad ones, too.

[Wild Cobra]

I recently bought some halogens that meet the new efficiency standard -- and they are absolute crap (short life).

I've also had some of these "20 year LED bulbs" take a dump after a week or so. Heat management seems to be an issue, especially in downward facing fixtures.

I've had my LED's for some time now. Started just over a year ago. Every bulb inside and outside is now LED except the small ones in my microwave, refrigerator, oven, dryer, etc.

I have had three of my LED bulbs wink out when there were power fluctuations. Maybe 10%. most of mine are the Cree brand, and most 100 watt. I have four pairs on dimmer circuits.

[Wild Cobra]

That one that WC posted looks promising, but read the reviews. The bad ones, too.

Interesting.

I wonder if the reviewer that had all burn out had inconsistent power. I'll bet the one that said they had off-color for dimming had an old style dimmer instead of the newer dimmers made for LED's? The shadow... Not good.

I haven't tried any of the new Cree design. I like the original version better, but for the robust feel.

[DarrinS]

I've had my LED's for some time now. Started just over a year ago. Every bulb inside and outside is now LED except the small ones in my microwave, refrigerator, oven, dryer, etc.

I have had three of my LED bulbs wink out when there were power fluctuations. Maybe 10%. most of mine are the Cree brand, and most 100 watt. I have four pairs on dimmer circuits.


I have some Cree recessed lights that I've been really happy with. I just haven't found a decent LED replacement for my standard light bulbs.

[boutons_deux]

Are LED bulbs worth it? We shed some light on the subject.

http://enews.cnet.com/hostedemail/email.htm?CID=26101019084&ch=C89C821EA317A4379C43E6FC1D547932&h=4a77eff4a9bedcfa311ab34114beed43&ei=s3WZSL1aN

[boutons_deux]

Philips' newest LED: a five-buck bulb

It's only been a few years since LED light bulbs sold for thirty bucks a piece or more, but -- thankfully -- prices have since fallen steadily. These days, you'll find plenty of strong options that cost $10 or less, but Philips is pushing things a step further, with a new 60W equivalent LED that'll retail for less than $5.

At that price, Philips' new bulb is already the least expensive big-brand LED we've seen, but to further sweeten the deal, the Dutch manufacturer is offering two bulbs for the price of one at Home Depot for the first ninety days of its shelf life. That brings the cost per bulb down to something less than you'd pay for a morning latte -- and makes outfitting a whole home's worth of bulbs seem a lot more feasible.

http://www.cnet.com/products/philips-60w-equivalent-led-bulb-9290011350/?tag=nl.e404&s_cid=e404&ttag=e404&ftag=CAD1acfa04

[RandomGuy]

Philips' newest LED: a five-buck bulb

It's only been a few years since LED light bulbs sold for thirty bucks a piece or more, but -- thankfully -- prices have since fallen steadily. These days, you'll find plenty of strong options that cost $10 or less, but Philips is pushing things a step further, with a new 60W equivalent LED that'll retail for less than $5.

At that price, Philips' new bulb is already the least expensive big-brand LED we've seen, but to further sweeten the deal, the Dutch manufacturer is offering two bulbs for the price of one at Home Depot for the first ninety days of its shelf life. That brings the cost per bulb down to something less than you'd pay for a morning latte -- and makes outfitting a whole home's worth of bulbs seem a lot more feasible.

http://www.cnet.com/products/philips-60w-equivalent-led-bulb-9290011350/?tag=nl.e404&s_cid=e404&ttag=e404&ftag=CAD1acfa04




The bulb could cost $100 and it would still be a better deal than the incandescents.

This pretty much seals it, even setting aside the massive amounts of money spent on electricity, LEDs now win on the cost of the bulbs alone.

[RandomGuy]

Pardon the repost...

---------------------------------------------

Just to get some hard facts:
Cost of a 100W incandescent equivalent (assume they are measuring lumens, the measurement of light): $47.89, life span 50,000 hours.

I found a cost comparison here:
http://eartheasy.com/live_led_bulbs_comparison.html

Given they have an obvious viewpoint, I decided to do some verification of their assumptions and found their 20 cents per kWh to be waaay too much.
But to be more realisitic I looked up the actual cost of electricity in San Antonio:
http://www.cpsenergy.com/files/Rate_ResidentialElectric030110.pdf
6 cents plus a bit for peak usage. Call it 6.2 cents to be fair.

The cost comparison assumption of the price of electricity is the most critical assumption.

Re-running their analysis, using San Antonio rates means that running the same 50,000 hours of illumination gets the following costs for a 100w equivalent:

LED:Bulbs: $48
Electricity: $40.30
Total cost: $88.30

Florescent:
Bulbs: $20
Electricity: $62
Total cost: $82

Incandescant:
Bulbs: $52.08
Electricity: $310
Total cost: $362.08

(edit)
Incandescant - LED = $273.78
Most houses have more than one light bulb. Our little house has about 14, by my mental count.
If you have just ten in your house, then that is a total difference of some $2,737.80 over that time period.
(end)

Given electricity rates rise over time, that differential will certainly be more, making that figure somewhat conservative.

Currently Florescents seem to be cheapest by a smidge.

Halve the cost of an LED, and that edge disappears, especially given the fragility and mercury contents of the florescents.

Darrin has every right to keep spending 10 times the electricity on lighting his house.

Did I mention that the LED bulb only gives out 5% of the heat that incandescants do?

Any one bulb or even five probably don't put out that much heat, but when you are paying to cool your house most of the year, that extra heat isn't all that welcome from an efficiency standpoint. My gut says the difference probably isn't all that much money-wise, just to be fair. Still it is a minor consideration.

Boom.

The LED bulb could cost $300 a piece and would STILL be a better deal than incandescants.

[RandomGuy]

Once again, the A19 size 100 watt equivalents are still expensive.

Context...

Is important...

I think the cheapest you can find an A19 size 1600+ lumen bulb is $39.95. It went below $50 maybe 2 years ago. This thread started how long ago? Isn't it 5 years old now?

I challenge you to find an A19 size 1600 lumen LED.

Careful now... some say A19 shape, and are not A19 sized.

The A number is 8th's of an inch. An A19 bulb will be 19/8" or 2-3/8" in diameter. Most 100 watt equivalents are A21 or larger.


http://www.lowes.com/pd_596930-75774-LA1600830LED_0__?productId=50254547

[RandomGuy]

But, LED's are getting set to be obsolescent.

Something more efficient, and longer lasting is in the works.


PHYSICISTS Andre Geim and Kostya Novoselev have been rightly feted for their isolation, in 2003, of graphene—sheets of pure carbon a single atom thick—whose existence had been pondered for decades, but which theory suggested was too unstable to survive. The two Soviet-born researchers won the Nobel physics prize in 2010 for their groundbreaking work, carried out at Manchester University, which involved peeling layers of graphene from blocks of graphite. Both men, now British citizens, were knighted in 2012 for their contribution to science. Their work has won generous support from the British government and the European Union—in particular, the construction, at a cost of £61m ($92m), of the National Graphene Institute, which was opened by George Osborne, Chancellor of the Exchequer, in March.

The researchers now have another distinction to their credit: their discovery is about to become a commercial product. A graphene-based lightbulb, said to be longer-lasting, more efficient and cheaper to make than today’s domestic LED lamps, will go on sale in a few months’ time. Though graphene flakes have already been incorporated into tennis racquets, skis and conductive ink, the new lightbulb is claimed by its manufacturer—Graphene Lighting Plc, a spin-out from the National Graphene Institute and Manchester University—to be the first commercially viable consumer product based on the material.

That may be splitting hairs. Even so, going from discovery to commercialisation in little more than a decade is quick. Many entrepreneurial companies find turning an invention into a successful innovation can take 20 years or more.

(full article here, mainly about the aweness of graphene: http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21649811-can-graphene-live-up-all-hype-graphenes-lightbulb-moment )

[Wild Cobra]

Originally Posted by what happens when you google "A19 size 1600 lumen LED"
http://www.lowes.com/pd_596930-75774-LA1600830LED_0__?productId=50254547

I already addressed that earlier. I'm sorry you don't see past advertisers BS.

And this too:

Careful now... some say A19 shape, and are not A19 sized.

Look at the specs of that bulb. It is actually an A21 size.


Bulb Shape A19

Bulb Diameter (Inches) 2.7

It says "bulb shape." Not "bulb size." An A19 would be no larger than 2.375" diameter.

Besides. The angle of light coverage is limited also.

This bulb will not replace many applications of a standard A19 100 watt, because it's too large in diameter.

[DarrinS]

Boom.

The LED bulb could cost $300 a piece and would STILL be a better deal than incandescants.


That's awesome. So, over the course of 17 years or so, I can save a couple hundred bucks?

I was definitely wrong in this thread, but the economic benefit is a bit of a stretch. There's a reason the incandescent bulb was basically unchanged for so many years. They were cheap and produce good light.

And lighting is a tiny fraction of your electricity bill.

For the record, I've switched to LED in my recessed lights and external lights. Cree for both. I had a couple of failures with another brand, so take the 20,000 hr lifespan with a grain of salt.

[RandomGuy]

That's awesome. So, over the course of 17 years or so, I can save a couple hundred bucks?

I was definitely wrong in this thread, but the economic benefit is a bit of a stretch. There's a reason the incandescent bulb was basically unchanged for so many years. They were cheap and produce good light.

And lighting is a tiny fraction of your electricity bill.

For the record, I've switched to LED in my recessed lights and external lights. Cree for both. I had a couple of failures with another brand, so take the 20,000 hr lifespan with a grain of salt.

[facepalm]

20,000 hours is the average life span, over a large number of bulbs, and it wasn't a "couple of hundred of bucks" it was thousands of dollars.


The costs of the electricity to run the incandescents was still SIX times the cost of the bulbs themselves.

That doesn't change, no matter how long the LED's last or don't.

Your call I guess, as long as you don't mind spending four to seven times more for the light you get out of it. That isn't a "stretch", that is simply reality and evidence, period.

[RandomGuy]

Easy enough to do an update, the other post is four years old after all.


Just to get some hard facts:
Cost of a 100W incandescent equivalent (assume they are measuring lumens, the measurement of light): $15.00, life span 25,000 hours.

I found a cost comparison here:
http://eartheasy.com/live_led_bulbs_comparison.html

I looked up the actual cost of electricity in San Antonio:
https://www.cpsenergy.com/content/dam/corporate/en/Documents/Rate_ResidentialElectric.pdf
6.9 cents plus a almost 2 cents for peak usage. Call it 8 cents to be fair.

The cost comparison assumption of the price of electricity is the most critical assumption.

Re-running their analysis, using San Antonio rates means that running the same 25,000 hours of illumination gets the following costs for a 100w equivalent:

LED:Bulbs: $75/5= $15 each
Electricity: $36
Total cost: $51

Incandescant:
Bulbs: $19.83 (1.19 at about 1500 hours life each)
Electricity: $200 (.08*100watts*25,000 hours /1,000 to cancel our kw unit)
Total cost: $219.83

(edit)
Incandescent - LED = $168.83
Most houses have more than one light bulb. Our little house has about 14, by my mental count.
If you have just ten in your house, then that is a total difference of some $2,363.62 over that time period.

LEDs currently cost about 23% of an incandescent, compared to about 24% a few years ago.

Still holds up. Looks like the cost per unit has come way down, but that has been at the expense of lifespan, balancing out.

The electricity is still the expensive part.

[DarrinS]

[facepalm]

20,000 hours is the average life span, over a large number of bulbs, and it wasn't a "couple of hundred of bucks" it was thousands of dollars.


The costs of the electricity to run the incandescents was still SIX times the cost of the bulbs themselves.

That doesn't change, no matter how long the LED's last or don't.

Your call I guess, as long as you don't mind spending four to seven times more for the light you get out of it. That isn't a "stretch", that is simply reality and evidence, period.

Ok, I see that you were multiplying by 10 bulbs. I get it, but it's not like regular bulbs and the cost to run them were breaking the bank. It's your AC and large appliances that make up the vast majority of your utility. The LEDs make sense at the current price point. Back when they were more expensive, the time to break even didn't make sense.

[RandomGuy]

I already addressed that earlier. I'm sorry you don't see past advertisers BS.

And this too:


Look at the specs of that bulb. It is actually an A21 size.




It says "bulb shape." Not "bulb size." An A19 would be no larger than 2.375" diameter.

Besides. The angle of light coverage is limited also.

This bulb will not replace many applications of a standard A19 100 watt, because it's too large in diameter.

Got it. You are right about that. Looked again and found the dimensions.

Still, 1/3 of an inch doesn't seem to be much of a difference to me.

[RandomGuy]

Ok, I see that you were multiplying by 10 bulbs. I get it, but it's not like regular bulbs and the cost to run them were breaking the bank. It's your AC and large appliances that make up the vast majority of your utility. The LEDs make sense at the current price point. Back when they were more expensive, the time to break even didn't make sense.

Yes, they did. Still do. That was the point of the entire analysis, although I'm not surprised you didn't read it then, or now.

14 bulbs at 100 watts each is a space heater, a hair dryer, or a microwave oven running constantly. Again, we have a small house.

How many bulbs do you generally run at night?

[DarrinS]

Yes, they did. Still do. That was the point of the entire analysis, although I'm not surprised you didn't read it then, or now.

14 bulbs at 100 watts each is a space heater, a hair dryer, or a microwave oven running constantly. Again, we have a small house.

How many bulbs do you generally run at night?


http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/styles/borealis_article_hero_respondlarge/public/energy_use_piechart-01.jpg?itok=qRrqduk7

[RandomGuy]

http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/styles/borealis_article_hero_respondlarge/public/energy_use_piechart-01.jpg?itok=qRrqduk7
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4T6BNHIR8s0/TBvNPjlR-rI/AAAAAAAAE4g/_Zm9OlwJ4IM/s400/pie-chart.png

http://newshour.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/2011/08/12/sweden_piechart-01_RGB_homepage_feature.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Got it. You are right about that. Looked again and found the dimensions.

Still, 1/3 of an inch doesn't seem to be much of a difference to me.
Point is, mandating 100 watt incandescent to be obsoleted, means using $40 bulbs in some fixtures, paying an electrician to change the fixture, or using 60 watt equivalents instead.

The original argument for 100 watt replacements costing $50 was still valid until about 2 years ago. This thread is four years old in a few days.

[boutons_deux]

Point is, mandating 100 watt incandescent to be obsoleted, means using $40 bulbs in some fixtures, paying an electrician to change the fixture, or using 60 watt equivalents instead.

bullshit. stopping production of tungsten bulbs had years of forewarning, and CFLs were even then widely available. Your 'hate govt' ideology is totally transparent, and easily refutable.

[Wild Cobra]

bullshit. stopping production of tungsten bulbs had years of forewarning, and CFLs were even then widely available. Your 'hate govt' ideology is totally transparent, and easily refutable.

Do you know of a CFL that fits a fixture requiring the A19 size or smaller?

[RandomGuy]

Point is, mandating 100 watt incandescent to be obsoleted, means using $40 bulbs in some fixtures, paying an electrician to change the fixture, or using 60 watt equivalents instead.

The original argument for 100 watt replacements costing $50 was still valid until about 2 years ago. This thread is four years old in a few days.

Meh. Doing that is a lot cheaper collectively, than building, maintaining, and fueling new power plants.

[DarrinS]

Meh. Doing that is a lot cheaper collectively, than building, maintaining, and fueling new power plants.

huh?

[RandomGuy]

huh?

Fungibility. Think about it enough, it will come to you.

If you *really* want me to lay it out I can. Lunch time is up though, so you will have to wait until later if so.

[DarrinS]

If you still want incandescent bulbs, you can still buy what are called "rough service" bulbs. They are exempt from the ban.

https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/rough-service-light-bulbs/

[Wild Cobra]

If you still want incandescent bulbs, you can still buy what are called "rough service" bulbs. They are exempt from the ban.

https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/rough-service-light-bulbs/

Looks like the rough service 100 watt tops out at 880 lumens. That's a 60 watt equivalent.

[RandomGuy]

If you still want incandescent bulbs, you can still buy what are called "rough service" bulbs. They are exempt from the ban.

https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/rough-service-light-bulbs/

Do you want me to explain the "new power plants" remark or not? Did you figure it out?

This lunch time is up, but I will still be happy to give you one, if you haven't glommed on yet. It is worth knowing, and is relevant to the topic.

[RandomGuy]

huh?

Mandating that incandescents be replaced is cheaper than building and fueling new power plants because it flattens or reduces demand for electricity.

Economic and population growth are a constant, at least in the US, and that means increases in the amount of demanded electricity. Slowing that down means that we have to build fewer new plants for the additional capacity required.

Does that explain it for you? I can expand on that if you want.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21651112-screens-bedtime-harm-sleep-effect-biggest-teenagers-sleep

Sort of relevant bit in the news:

Modern life, though, is confusing for the pineal because its signal to start work is the absence of light—specifically, of blue light. This part of the spectrum radiates by the bucketful from light-emitting diodes in the screens of phones, tablets and laptop computers. As far as the gland is concerned, that turns night into day. Study after study has suggested night-time use of screen-based gadgets has a bad effect on peoples’ sleep. Indeed, things are getting worse as screens get smaller and are thus held closer to the eyes. As a consequence there is a tidy market in devices and apps which regulate the amount of blue light a screen emits.
The latest research suggests one group of people—teenagers—may be particularly susceptible.

Speciality LEDs are available:

https://definitydigital.com/File%20Library/Spec%20Sheets/good_night_specification_sheet.pdf

$70 a pop though.

Given the importance of sleep to brain/heart health, it would seem that plunking down the money is worthwhile, over conventional LEDs. Might buy some lamps for just such purposes.

[Wild Cobra]

Mandating that incandescents be replaced is cheaper than building and fueling new power plants because it flattens or reduces demand for electricity.

Economic and population growth are a constant, at least in the US, and that means increases in the amount of demanded electricity. Slowing that down means that we have to build fewer new plants for the additional capacity required.

Does that explain it for you? I can expand on that if you want.

It's a drop in the bucket, but yes. Has a minimal effect.

[DarrinS]

Mandating that incandescents be replaced is cheaper than building and fueling new power plants because it flattens or reduces demand for electricity.

Economic and population growth are a constant, at least in the US, and that means increases in the amount of demanded electricity. Slowing that down means that we have to build fewer new plants for the additional capacity required.

Does that explain it for you? I can expand on that if you want.


Residential lighting is a small percentage of residential electrical use, but I guess going after incandescent bulbs was low-hanging fruit.

If they wanted a really massive drop in electrical demand, they'd improve residential heating/cooling efficiency and efficiency of large appliances.

[boutons_deux]

"improve residential heating/cooling efficiency and efficiency of large appliances."

these are already subject to local and federal programs, eg, Energy Star.

I got tax rebates for my additional attic insulation and for reflective foil. made a huge difference in HVAC.

[boutons_deux]

one area where energy is wasted, like nuke plants wasted per year, is "vampire" devices, like cable boxes, gadget chargers, etc, etc.

[Wild Cobra]

one area where energy is wasted, like nuke plants wasted per year, is "vampire" devices, like cable boxes, gadget chargers, etc, etc.

I agree.

Everyone is making these small plug in transformers, and the on/off is on the devise they power. They are always using power!

[RandomGuy]

Residential lighting is a small percentage of residential electrical use, but I guess going after incandescent bulbs was low-hanging fruit.

If they wanted a really massive drop in electrical demand, they'd improve residential heating/cooling efficiency and efficiency of large appliances.

I agree, although I would not know how much lighting really is as a percentage of residential use.

(edit)

Until of course I research it, because getting actual facts is a good thing. :toast

[RandomGuy]

It's a drop in the bucket, but yes. Has a minimal effect.


How much electricity is used for lighting in the United States?

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that in 2014, about 412 billion kilowatthours (kWh) of electricity were used for lighting by the residential sector and the commercial sector in the United States. This was about 15% of the total electricity consumed by both of these sectors and about 11% of total U.S. electricity consumption.

Bit more than a "Drop".

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=99&t=3


Residential lighting consumption was about 150 billion kWh or about 14% of total residential electricity consumption.

[Wild Cobra]

How much electricity is used for lighting in the United States?

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that in 2014, about 412 billion kilowatthours (kWh) of electricity were used for lighting by the residential sector and the commercial sector in the United States. This was about 15% of the total electricity consumed by both of these sectors and about 11% of total U.S. electricity consumption. Bit more than a "Drop".

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=99&t=3

By 2014, very little lighting was filament bulbs, most has gone to florescent.

A 1600 lumen florescent uses 23 watts, and 18 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8.6%.

A 900 lumen florescent uses 13 watts, and 9.5 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8%.

I guess 3% is significant enough....

Whoop-t-do though...

[ChumpDumper]

By 2014, very little lighting was filament bulbs, most has gone to florescent.

A 1600 lumen florescent uses 23 watts, and 18 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8.6%.

A 900 lumen florescent uses 13 watts, and 9.5 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8%.

I guess 3% is significant enough....

Whoop-t-do though...What do you mean by "most" and when did that change happen?

Was that change whoop-t-do? What do you consider whoop-t-do worthy?

[RandomGuy]

By 2014, very little lighting was filament bulbs, most has gone to florescent.

A 1600 lumen florescent uses 23 watts, and 18 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8.6%.

A 900 lumen florescent uses 13 watts, and 9.5 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8%.

I guess 3% is significant enough....

Whoop-t-do though...

(winces)

Please quantify "very little", with something approaching actual data. "we" prefer not to pull made up statistics out of our ass.

[RandomGuy]

By 2014, very little lighting was filament bulbs, most has gone to florescent.

A 1600 lumen florescent uses 23 watts, and 18 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8.6%.

A 900 lumen florescent uses 13 watts, and 9.5 watts in an LED. So we reduce that 11% to about 8%.

I guess 3% is significant enough....

Whoop-t-do though...

Even accepting your bullshit made up statistic:


There are about 19,243 individual generators with nameplate generation capacities of at least 1 megawatt (MW) at about 7,304 operational power plants in the United States. A power plant may have one or more generators, and some generators may use more than one type of fuel.Apr 2, 2015

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=65&t=2

3% of 19243 is 577 generators.

That is a lot of power plants.

If the real figure is closer to 5 or 10%, then you have thousands of generators powering inefficient light bulbs.

[Wild Cobra]

If anyone is interested:

http://superefficient.org/LightingAwards

International winners are Nanoleaf and Cree.

[DarrinS]

Never have I been more wrong than in this thread.

Walmart's Great Value brand LED bulbs (60W equivalent) are cheap and excellent replacement for most of your indoor lights. I'm replacing every single one in the house. Get the soft white and NOT the daylight (too harsh, IMO).

[Wild Cobra]

Never have I been more wrong than in this thread.

Walmart's Great Value brand LED bulbs (60W equivalent) are cheap and excellent replacement for most of your indoor lights. I'm replacing every single one in the house. Get the soft white and NOT the daylight (too harsh, IMO).

I haven't tried those ones. I pretty much stuck with the Cree brand.

I looked online and see the Great value are about half the price of the Cree, but one reason i never bough that style was they have the area near the base covered.

Besides, more USA labor goes into the Cree. I try to buy "Made in the USA" products only. The Cree are at least are "Assembled in the USA." many of Cree's other products are "Made in the USA."

So call me a snob, but I'll stick with Cree.

[boutons_deux]

I've been shopping for LED car headlight bulbs. I find some for $150+ (with huge heatsinks) and some for under $20 (no heatsink). anybody have experience with the cheaper ones?

[Wild Cobra]

I've been shopping for LED car headlight bulbs. I find some for $150+ (with huge heatsinks) and some for under $20 (no heatsink). anybody have experience with the cheaper ones?
No experience, but don't trust the rated equivalency. Make sure you compare the lumen output.

Not sure what the lumens should be. Probably around 800 for the low beams and 1200 or more for the high.

[Splits]

Never have I been more wrong than in this thread.

:lol this should be your sig, applies to every thread you've ever posted in

[DarrinS]

down here the council gives them out in exchange for ur shitty lights

wtf does it costs 50bucks in the states?

They were prett expensive when they first came out. Very affordable now.

[DarrinS]

I haven't tried those ones. I pretty much stuck with the Cree brand.

I looked online and see the Great value are about half the price of the Cree, but one reason i never bough that style was they have the area near the base covered.

Besides, more USA labor goes into the Cree. I try to buy "Made in the USA" products only. The Cree are at least are "Assembled in the USA." many of Cree's other products are "Made in the USA."

So call me a snob, but I'll stick with Cree.


In a lamp, those Walmart bulbs look just like a regular incandescent.

[Wild Cobra]

In a lamp, those Walmart bulbs look just like a regular incandescent.

Maybe they do. But for a couple bux more each, I'll buy USA.

[TeyshaBlue]

I've been shopping for LED car headlight bulbs. I find some for $150+ (with huge heatsinks) and some for under $20 (no heatsink). anybody have experience with the cheaper ones?

I haven't heard anything good about the cheap ones. I've been looking for some for my pickup. The truck forum dudes really hate on the cheap ones. .. last about 6 months. I think it's one of those "You get what you pay for" deals.

[boutons_deux]

"You get what you pay for" deals.

yeah probably

says cree, not sure: http://www.banggood.com/9006-HB4-9006XS-Headlight-Low-Beam-4000LM-White-Cree-6500K-LED-Bulb-p-979941.html

[TeyshaBlue]

Science, bitches.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12093545/Return-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-as-MIT-makes-them-more-efficient-than-LEDs.html

[boutons_deux]

"In comparison LED or florescent bulbs manage around 14 per cent efficiency"

"new bulb could reach efficiency levels of 40 per cent."

:lol

http://c1cleantechnicacom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2014/11/Screen-shot-2014-11-05-at-2.56.38-PM-570x299.png

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/11/05/led-lighting-efficiency-jumps-roughly-50-since-2012/

[Wild Cobra]

"In comparison LED or florescent bulbs manage around 14 per cent efficiency"

"new bulb could reach efficiency levels of 40 per cent."[COLOR=#333333][FONT=arial]

:lol


Why are you laughing? To show your ignorance? 40% is damn good for that type of lighting.

Most people prefer the full spectrum lighting of incandescent vs. LED or CFL.

[boutons_deux]

Why are you laughing? To show your ignorance? 40% is damn good for that type of lighting.

yep, and at 40% will have a hard competing with LEDs, and probably on price, if they ever get into production


... but 40% is damn poor compared to LED lighting, which has been and will continually be upgraded in efficiency and with a wide range of choice of color temp.

What people really like about incandescents is that they are NOT full spectrum but "warm", so skin tones look healthy.

People don't like the better LEDs which are now quite "white" and therefore look "cold" in comparison to "warm" incadescents.

Halogens are also "cold" white but who complained about them, other than short life and high cost?

[sickdsm]

I replaced shop lighting last year and the guy was trying to push led. I went with fluorescent bc of the price. Selling point of course was efficiency. Heavily used in the winter not much the rest of the year. In the north that's pretty typical of a lot of places. We are not in our house near as much as winter. What I explained to the electrician is why the hell do I care about efficiency when I'm heating the shop with electricity anyway?

Should maybe have bought some Chinese led as I've been very happy with the 12 volt ones I've been using.

[Winehole23]

Science, bitches.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12093545/Return-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-as-MIT-makes-them-more-efficient-than-LEDs.html:tu

[boutons_deux]

"In comparison LED or florescent bulbs manage around 14 per cent efficiency."

... bullshit, bitches.

"instant, bright warm glow of traditional filament bulbs."

... which is NOT "full spectrum" but very towards the red end.

[TeyshaBlue]

Take it up with the Telegraph, bitch.

[TeyshaBlue]

Probably want to grace Nature Nanotechnology with your moonbat takes as well.

[clambake]

got the whole house on phillips hue.

live a little.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2015.309.html

Brief:

Tailoring high-temperature radiation and the resurrection of the incandescent source

Ognjen Ilic, Peter Bermel, Gang Chen, John D. Joannopoulos, Ivan Celanovic & Marin Soljačić
AffiliationsContributionsCorresponding author
Nature Nanotechnology (2016) doi:10.1038/nnano.2015.309
Received 24 July 2015 Accepted 25 November 2015 Published online 11 January 2016
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In solar cells, the mismatch between the Sun's emission spectrum and the cells’ absorption profile limits the efficiency of such devices1, while in incandescent light bulbs, most of the energy is lost as heat2. One way to avoid the waste of a large fraction of the radiation emitted from hot objects is to tailor the thermal emission spectrum according to the desired application. This strategy has been successfully applied to photonic-crystal emitters at moderate temperatures3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, but is exceedingly difficult for hot emitters (>1,000 K)9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. Here, we show that a plain incandescent tungsten filament (3,000 K) surrounded by a cold-side nanophotonic interference system optimized to reflect infrared light and transmit visible light for a wide range of angles could become a light source that reaches luminous efficiencies (∼40%) surpassing existing lighting technologies, and nearing a limit for lighting applications. We experimentally demonstrate a proof-of-principle incandescent emitter with efficiency approaching that of commercial fluorescent or light-emitting diode bulbs, but with exceptional reproduction of colours and scalable power. The ability to tailor the emission spectrum of high-temperature sources may find applications in thermophotovoltaic energy conversion15, 16, 17, 18 and lighting.

Subject terms: Optical materials and structures Photonic devices Technology

[TeyshaBlue]

got the whole house on phillips hue.

live a little.
I'm running LEDs in every outlet.... Have for quite a while now.

[clambake]

http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2015.309.html

Brief:

Tailoring high-temperature radiation and the resurrection of the incandescent source

Ognjen Ilic, Peter Bermel, Gang Chen, John D. Joannopoulos, Ivan Celanovic & Marin Soljačić
AffiliationsContributionsCorresponding author
Nature Nanotechnology (2016) doi:10.1038/nnano.2015.309
Received 24 July 2015 Accepted 25 November 2015 Published online 11 January 2016
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In solar cells, the mismatch between the Sun's emission spectrum and the cells’ absorption profile limits the efficiency of such devices1, while in incandescent light bulbs, most of the energy is lost as heat2. One way to avoid the waste of a large fraction of the radiation emitted from hot objects is to tailor the thermal emission spectrum according to the desired application. This strategy has been successfully applied to photonic-crystal emitters at moderate temperatures3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, but is exceedingly difficult for hot emitters (>1,000 K)9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. Here, we show that a plain incandescent tungsten filament (3,000 K) surrounded by a cold-side nanophotonic interference system optimized to reflect infrared light and transmit visible light for a wide range of angles could become a light source that reaches luminous efficiencies (∼40%) surpassing existing lighting technologies, and nearing a limit for lighting applications. We experimentally demonstrate a proof-of-principle incandescent emitter with efficiency approaching that of commercial fluorescent or light-emitting diode bulbs, but with exceptional reproduction of colours and scalable power. The ability to tailor the emission spectrum of high-temperature sources may find applications in thermophotovoltaic energy conversion15, 16, 17, 18 and lighting.

Subject terms: Optical materials and structures Photonic devices Technology

i just told you to get phillips hue.

now thank me and move on.

[CosmicCowboy]

only incandescents left in the house are the 34's over the vanity where the SO does her makeup.

[clambake]

oops

[clambake]

the hue system. i haven't touched a lamp in ages.

the bulbs are the same size as regular bulbs..about $14. but, they have a smaller version that allows you to use a full color spectrum..pricey about $60.


and they don't get hot, at all.

[boutons_deux]

Take it up with the Telegraph, bitch.

If she's accidentally right on the 40%, your science guys will probably never reach the efficiency of LEDs, bitch.

[TeyshaBlue]

My science guys. :lmao

[clambake]

"You don't need science when you have Phillips hue system"

time to retire this thread.

[TeyshaBlue]

Hue, bitches. /thread

[clambake]

lol

[Winehole23]

Take it up with the Telegraph, bitch.Regs didn't stop the science. Bully on the science.

[Winehole23]

This might be my favorite thread in this forum, ever.

[Winehole23]

Reversal isn't a bitch: it's a muse.

[Winehole23]

GE to drop CFLs, focus on LED bulbs:

http://gizmodo.com/ge-will-no-longer-make-cfl-lighbulbs-1756344245

[clambake]

you have to be able to see the future.

thats why philips hue can shed some light on that.

[Wild Cobra]

GE to drop CFLs, focus on LED bulbs:

http://gizmodo.com/ge-will-no-longer-make-cfl-lighbulbs-1756344245

It's about time.

[Winehole23]

http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2015.309.html

Brief:

Tailoring high-temperature radiation and the resurrection of the incandescent source

Ognjen Ilic, Peter Bermel, Gang Chen, John D. Joannopoulos, Ivan Celanovic & Marin Soljačić
AffiliationsContributionsCorresponding author
Nature Nanotechnology (2016) doi:10.1038/nnano.2015.309
Received 24 July 2015 Accepted 25 November 2015 Published online 11 January 2016
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In solar cells, the mismatch between the Sun's emission spectrum and the cells’ absorption profile limits the efficiency of such devices1, while in incandescent light bulbs, most of the energy is lost as heat2. One way to avoid the waste of a large fraction of the radiation emitted from hot objects is to tailor the thermal emission spectrum according to the desired application. This strategy has been successfully applied to photonic-crystal emitters at moderate temperatures3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, but is exceedingly difficult for hot emitters (>1,000 K)9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. Here, we show that a plain incandescent tungsten filament (3,000 K) surrounded by a cold-side nanophotonic interference system optimized to reflect infrared light and transmit visible light for a wide range of angles could become a light source that reaches luminous efficiencies (∼40%) surpassing existing lighting technologies, and nearing a limit for lighting applications. We experimentally demonstrate a proof-of-principle incandescent emitter with efficiency approaching that of commercial fluorescent or light-emitting diode bulbs, but with exceptional reproduction of colours and scalable power. The ability to tailor the emission spectrum of high-temperature sources may find applications in thermophotovoltaic energy conversion15, 16, 17, 18 and lighting.

Subject terms: Optical materials and structures Photonic devices Technologyhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/return-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-as-mit-makes-them-more-effici/

[TeyshaBlue]

Sulawesie Kalossi.

Anderson's Coffee (http://www.andersonscoffee.com/coffee.html). DUZ ship.

Been roasting alot of Sulawesie lately. My wife's fav. Big thanks for the recommendation. :tu

[Winehole23]

Been roasting alot of Sulawesie lately. My wife's fav. Big thanks for the recommendation. :tuMost welcome. Where do you get the beans?

[TDMVPDPOY]

down here the council/govt was handing out free led energy efficient lights/downlights....the catch is? they costs like $25-$45 each for replacement...so what u do is tell the installer to give u twice or spares since its free anyway...

[TeyshaBlue]

Most welcome. Where do you get the beans?
Lavanta Coffee Beans via Amazon. They've been very, very good quality this far. Just finished roasting another pound tonight.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/IMG_20161024_220333_zpsne1kqzh9.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/IMG_20161024_220333_zpsne1kqzh9.jpg.html)

[Winehole23]

The Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975, as amended by the EnergyIndependence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA 2007), requires that, effective beginning January1, 2020, the Secretary of Energy shall prohibit the sale of any general service lamp (GSL) thatdoes not meet a minimum efficacy standard of 45 lumens per watt. This is referred to as theEISA 2007 backstop. The U.S. Department of Energy recently revised the definition of the termGSL to include certain lamps that were either previously excluded or not explicitly mentioned inthe EISA 2007 definition. For this subset of GSLs, we assess the impacts of the EISA 2007backstop on national energy consumption, carbon dioxide emissions, and consumerexpenditures. To estimate these impacts, we projected the energy use, purchase price, andoperating cost of representative lamps purchased during a 30-year analysis period, 2020-2049,for cases in which the EISA 2007 backstop does and does not take effect; the impacts of thebackstop are then given by the difference between the two cases. In developing the projectionmodel, we also performed the most comprehensive assessment to date of usage patterns andlifetime distributions for the analyzed lamp types in the United States. There is substantialuncertainty in the estimated impacts, which arises from uncertainty in the speed and extent of themarket conversion to solid state lighting technology that would occur in the absence of the EISA2007 backstop. In our central estimate we find that the EISA 2007 backstop results in significantenergy savings of 27 quads and consumer net present value of $120 billion (at a seven percentdiscount rate) for lamps shipped between 2020 and 2049, and carbon dioxide emissionsreduction of 540 million metric tons by 2030 for those GSLs not explicitly included in the EISA2007 definition of a GSL.


https://ees.lbl.gov/sites/default/files/lbnl-1007090-rev2.pdf

[Winehole23]

[6450-01-P]DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY10 CFR Part 430RIN 1904-AE26Energy Conservation Program: Energy Conservation Standards for General ServiceLampsAGENCY: Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, Department of Energy.ACTION: Notice of proposed rulemaking and request for comment.SUMMARY: On January 19, 2017, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) published two finalrules adopting revised definitions of general service lamp (GSL), general service incandescentlamp (GSIL) and other supplemental definitions, effective January 1, 2020. DOE has sincedetermined that the legal basis underlying those revisions misconstrued existing law. As a result,DOE is issuing this notice of proposed rulemaking (NOPR) proposing to withdraw thedefinitions established in the January 19, 2017, final rules. DOE proposes to maintain theexisting regulatory definitions of GSL and GSIL, which are the same as the statutory definitionsof those terms.https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/02/f59/withdrawal-of-gsl-definition-nopr.pdf

[Winehole23]

HAPPY NOW DARRIN?:lol

[boutons_deux]

Just when you thought it was safe to turn on a light ... (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/4/1883387/-Just-when-you-thought-it-was-safe-to-turn-on-a-light)

The war on lightbulbs is back! Oh, the things Republicans obsess about.

Remember all the way back to 2011 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/02/951846/-The-great-Lightbulb-War-goes-on-funded-by-energy-companies), and 2012 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/22/1076834/-Mr-Etch-a-Sketch-and-the-Great-Light-Bulb-War-of-2012), and of course 2013 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/7/10/1222613/-Really-House-Republicans-Light-bulbs-Again), when Republicans were dramatically clutching their incandescent lightbulbs to their chests as the last vestiges of freedom?

In case you missed all the fun earlier this decade, Republicans were incensed over a new law and regulations from the George W.

Bush administration (yes, he started it)

that were continued and built upon by the Barack Obama administration and changed lightbulb standards to make them more energy-efficient.

So the Trump administration has officially rolled back (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/459884-trump-administration-rolls-back-obama-era-lightbulb-rules?__twitter_impression=true) rules passed under that efficiency law by the Obama :lol administration

and applied to bulbs other than the traditional lamp lights—recessed lights, chandeliers, etc.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1883387

Trash and his team must have looked at all the stuff Obama did to reverse all of it. petty pricks

[RandomGuy]

HAPPY NOW DARRIN?:lol


In our central estimate we find that the EISA 2007 backstop results in significantenergy savings of 27 quads and consumer net present value of $120 billion (at a seven percentdiscount rate) for lamps shipped between 2020 and 2049

Translation:

The new energy standards would have saved a hundred and twenty billion dollars in present day dollars over a 19 years period. I believe earlier in this thread I pointed out that LEDs are cheaper by a substantial margin.

So basically the Trump administration is reversing a rule that saved people money, for the sole reason that it was passed by the administration of The Scary Black Guy.

:lol Darrin

[Winehole23]

I ALWAYS LOOK ORANGE. SO DO YOU.

1172349985259753472

[boutons_deux]

I am "Number one, to me, most importantly"

yep, that's all that matters to the mentally deranged shitbag asshole, who psychological slogan is "Me First" not America First.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.energysavers.gov/your_home/lighting_daylighting/index.cfm/mytopic=11980


Nationwide, artificial lighting consumes about 10% of a household's electricity use. Use of new lighting technologies can reduce lighting energy use in homes by 50%–75%. Upgrading 15 of the inefficient incandescent light bulbs in your home could save you about $50 per year.

Upgrading 15 incandescent bulbs

Cost $750

Savings $50

I'll pass

So I did an update at the local Home Depot.

The halogen (incandescent bulbs) lasted a 1,000 hours
The LEDs lasted 15,000 hours.

The LEDs were a bit under three times as expensive on the shelf, but you would have to buy 15 of them for the same light.

The LEDS were therefore about 1/5 the cost over the same period, just for the bulbs.


Cost of electricity:
Halogen 72w
LED 7w


Bluebonnet Residential Service = $0.033047 per kWh

72w*15kh= 1080kWh * .033047= $35.00 worth of electricity
7w*15kh = 105kWh * .033047= $3.47 worth of electricity

Total cost of LED bulb was about $7
Total cost of incand. was $52.5

The most efficient incandescent bulbs are 7.5 times more expensive than the LEDs, which have, as predicted vastly come down in price.

The economics haven't changed.

Neither has the fact that you lack critical thinking skills.

[boutons_deux]

whatever is progressive, scientific, healthful, better, cheaper, sustainable, etc, etc, etc.

any and all of it incites ignorant, reflexive (anti-thinking) contrariness in ignorant rightwingnutjobs.

There is no value in discussing ANYTHING with these mofos, but hearing their shit is educational in trying to understand how they "think" and why they vote in Repug to fuck themselves and everybody over (except the oligarchy).

[DarrinS]

My entire home has LED bulbs. Costs are substantially lower and quality control is much better now.

I took the L a long time ago.

:lol

[DarrinS]

Some of the early ones I bought failed though.

[phxspurfan]

U4f_51oTYJw

[phxspurfan]

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ryet-led-bulb-e26-400-lumen-globe-opal-30428492/

https://i.ibb.co/5WFw0Nk/lightbulb.png

[RandomGuy]

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ryet-led-bulb-e26-400-lumen-globe-opal-30428492/

https://i.ibb.co/5WFw0Nk/lightbulb.png

Points out a missed variable in my calculation. My comparison was for 1000 lumen bulbs. Generally more lumens = more $$

[RandomGuy]

My entire home has LED bulbs. Costs are substantially lower and quality control is much better now.

I took the L a long time ago.

:lol

Yet you didn't really evaluate where or how you got your information, even after it failed you, and still don't seem to try critical thinking any more than you did then.

Just like you haven't changed your mind on climate change, despite the continuing march of evidence I pointed out would be the case almost a decade ago.

[DMX7]

My entire home has LED bulbs. Costs are substantially lower and quality control is much better now.

I took the L a long time ago.

:lol

Well good for you for admitting it.

[Winehole23]

Some of the early ones I bought failed though.Innovation can be bumpy, cheers!