Apple sucks

[hater]

that's right. Apple sucks dick. My 3G phone has slowed down to a miserable crawl after the OS 4.2 update. It is a laughable little shit now.

Yesterday I even jailbroke it and disabled some things, still the OS 4.2 turns these phones into paperweights. It takes me 2 - 3 minutes to even look up something online or download an app. (not to mention the jailbreaking process broke my computer's USB ports)

I might have to downgrade to OS 3 and then what? most newer apps won't even work. :pctoss

Apple is a fucking joke. Am I gonna get the next Iphone. Fuck no.

Android, here I come. Not to say Android is much better at this aspect but this is for different reasons, Android has to support thousands of phone models. Apple? 4 goddam phone models! :pctoss

[leemajors]

Your phone is almost 3 years old. Get a new phone and quit bitching.

[lefty]

your phone is almost 3 years old. Get a new phone and quit bitching.
+1

[hater]

Your phone is almost 3 years old. Get a new phone and quit bitching.

Thanks Steve Jobs. How about why should I get a new phone if mine is working perfectly fine. It has the adequate hardware to still be a good phone. A good phone should last at least 5 years or more, especially if there is nothing wrong with the hardware. Shit if nothing is wrong with the hardwre a phone should last forever and it's software should be supported by the manufacturer.

Why do you have to force me to buy a new phone from your filthy rich bald ass?

[lefty]

Thanks Steve Jobs. How about why should I get a new phone if mine is working perfectly fine. It has the adequate hardware to still be a good phone. A good phone should last at least 5 years or more, especially if there is nothing wrong with the hardware. Shit if nothing is wrong with the hardwre a phone should last forever and it's software should be supported by the manufacturer.

Why do you have to force me to buy a new phone from your filthy rich bald ass?
What version of iOS do you have?

[hater]

I think 4.2.2

[lefty]

I think 4.2.2
Didnt Apple recommend against upgrading to 4.1 and up (on iphone 3g) ?

[hater]

Didnt Apple recommend against upgrading to 4.1 and up (on iphone 3g) ?

no. Ppl complained about 4.0 or 4.1 and apple recommended 4.2. That is what I read. But it doesn't help.

[lefty]

no. Ppl complained about 4.0 or 4.1 and apple recommended 4.2. That is what I read. But it doesn't help.
You are right; I forgot about that

When I got my ip4, I gave my 3G to my father

He upgraded it to 4.0 or 4.1, even though I told him not to, then 4.2 was supposed to fix the problems
I also did a shitload of jailbreaks, had to change the baseband and stuff

A good beat up :lol

[leemajors]

Jailbreaking won't "break" USB ports.

[Cry Havoc]

Jailbreaking won't "break" USB ports.

It sure can.

The first time I rooted my Evo, it disabled the HDMI port on the phone. Only temporarily though, so "break" is a bit of an ambiguous term here, especially since you put it in quotes.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I wouldn't recommend iOS 4 for anything lower than a 3GS. I'd have done research before actually doing it. I don't believe you can undo iOS 4 on your phone, or so I read when other people wrote on the interwebz that iOS 4 drags their sub 3GS model way down. :toast

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Hater. Just in case you were thinking about it, I wouldn't try to install win7 on a single core chip. Anything above a PIII should work.

[hater]

Viva with the bads.

A computer does not automatically push the update of windows 7 to your old pc running windows 98.

[hater]

Jailbreaking won't "break" USB ports.

It did on mine. After a pc reboot even my mouse did not work. I had to use my keyboard to navigate to my device manager and disable/enable each USB port. Now I have to do this after every reboot :bang

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Viva with the bads.

A computer does not automatically push the update of windows 7 to your old pc running windows 98.

Win98=iOS 3
Win7=iOS 4

Notice how there's no .1 or .2 or .3 after I typed win7. You have a 3G, which means most likely you paid $10 for iOS 4. Oh, and you can switch your iPhone to Manually update. Oh, and there's also a Cancel button. :toast

[hater]

doesn't matter.

From Apple. Supported devices on iOS 4:
Iphone 3G
...

Microsoft does not say. Supported hardware on Win 7:
Pentium III

[hater]

holy shit. found the motherload. if you want to read 120+ pages of ppl bitching about this issue. Please click the link

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2475859?start=60&tstart=0

:lol Apple

[Viva Las Espuelas]

"minimum"

"recommended"

[hater]

"i also have a problem with my iphone 3g after i upgraded it to iSO 4...i feel so bad when after this, my phone crushed...before, i am not experiencing a lag when my operation system was 3.1.5...but everything just caused me so much stress...i was expecting there could be a way apple company could help their customers who at first very impressed on how apple's iphones change the trend in cellphones...they cannot just say that because it's us who chose to upgrade our iphone 3gs to a better operation we are the ones who are to be held liable in what they have offered to be a better operations for our iphone 3gs....i think apple should be aware that customer's feedback is the thing that they based if the products they offer is at its quality...its a very bad reason that upgrading is customer's sole decision and held liable if something happened wrong...come on!!!! THE REASON WHY WE UPGRADED OUR IPHONE 3GS IS BECAUSE WE ARE RELYING WITH YOUR EXPERTISE ESPECIALLY IT IS YOU WHO KNOWS WELL ABOUT APPLE'S PRODUCTS....SO NEVER EXPECT US TO DECIDE ON THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE EXPERT WITH....UPGRADING MEANS OFFERING A BETTER USAGE NOT A DOWNGRADED OPERATION!!!!DON'T EXPECT US TO MAKE A WAY OF BRINGING IT BACK TO HOW IT WAS YOU SHOULD TAKE THE WAY OF HELPING US MAKING IT OK AGAIN....."

:lmao

[hater]

"minimum"

"recommended"

you have no hope. :bang

[Nathan Explosion]

It was a stupid thing to do plain and simple. Shouldn't have done it. I have a friend who has a 3G still running iOS 3. It works fine for him.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It was a stupid thing to do plain and simple. Shouldn't have done it. I have a friend who has a 3G still running iOS 3. It works fine for him.

"recommended"

[Dex]

doesn't matter.

From Apple. Supported devices on iOS 4:
Iphone 3G
...

Microsoft does not say. Supported hardware on Win 7:
Pentium III

No, but if you ran Windows 7 on minimum HW (1ghz, 1gb of RAM, 16GB of space), I bet it would run like shit, too.

Not saying it doesn't suck....just how technology goes. SW progresses much faster than HW can keep up with.

[hater]

It was a stupid thing to do plain and simple. Shouldn't have done it. I have a friend who has a 3G still running iOS 3. It works fine for him.

How was a regular user supposed to know an OS upgrade would make his/her phone useless? Nostradamus?

[hater]

"recommended"

link for apple "not recommended on iphone 3G" ?

[hater]

It's been four months and I still have my iPhone 3G that was replaced at the Apple Store back in December. I am sorry to say that there is no improvement. My phone is always hot to the touch. I have turned off and reset and tried everything you can find on the Internet to resolve performance issues. My phone locks up runing the phone app, iPod, calendar and crashes out of Twitter, Facebook, Photos, Reddit, Google, Pandora repeatedly. I can not downgrade to 3.1 because it fails every time I try. It will never sync with my computer/iTunes without a reboot first.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to upgrade to an iPhone 4 now but my contract ends in August. Forget this I am going to use my Droid phone from now on.


Thanks Apple. for nothing.....

[hater]

A last ditch effort to visit the Apple Store last Friday with my issues ended up in the same cyclic conversation I've been a part of at least 6 times which always starts off with "Did you try restoring your phone?" Yes "Did you try resetting all settings?" Yes "After the restore did you replace items manually or restore from your backup?" Yes and No I did it both ways per your instructions.

I have done EVERYTHING these Genius Bar people have told me to do. I actually helped 2 other iPhone users with their issues while waiting in line which in turn save them from having to spend time on their visit and moved me up in the queue. I know this stuff because I do it all day long for other people. I spent all afternoon Friday after my visit restoring 2 Samsung Captivate phones from their bricked state for one of my clients. At no point did I have to call Samsung/AT&T or walk into a Genius bar to get interrogated and judged to the effect of "How dare you have problems on our perfect yet closed platform!!" It was a fairly straightforward process.



Apple has screwed up with us 3G users and basically only cares about new customers. The AT&T virus has invaded Curpertino

[hater]

Amen to that. I agree completely. My 3G is so sluggish I want to throw it in the trash and just start over. I refuse to go to iPhone4 (waiting for either iPhone 5 or a better Android phone). I've done complete restores and it is still as slow as molasses. Apple is turning off it's customer base. I'm now considering other platforms. Such a shame it has to be that way. A bloated organization (Apple) offers a bloated operating system for the users of its older technology.

[hater]

This has caused me to really think I will Never EVER buy another Iphone. So in 1 year Apple will abandon you and attempt to force you to buy new,,, Shhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyytttttttttttttt. Dope or Dog Food!!!!! My 3G is soooooooooooooooooooooo sssslllllllloooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww... Yes I did all they asked and it is crazy!! I was starting to think Apple was a reputable company but that is truly out of the window!!!!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

There probably should BUT I believe they were gambling that people would get a new phone. I'm also sure they thought the good would outweigh the bad as well.

[hater]

I guess Nostradamus did not get to all those users ^ :rolleyes

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Hell, you probably have other internal issues going on as well. That's almost a 3 year old phone. I feel mine showing it's age but it's all wear and tear. Also, I won't upgrade to iOS5 to speed up that process.

[hater]

Hell, you probably have other internal issues going on as well. That's almost a 3 year old phone. I feel mine showing it's age but it's all wear and tear. Also, I won't upgrade to iOS5 to speed up that process.

nope. From reading that thread it looks like OS4 takes up 98% of internal memory on IDLE mode. No wonder my thigh is always scorching hot from puttin this phone in my pocket :lol

[Nathan Explosion]

Actually, they want you to get a new phone every two years, just like every other phone maker. Nothing new here.

It's like getting a Hero and installing Honeycomb on it. It's just plain stupid and you shouldn't do it. Some phones can handle the new stuff and most phones can't. Every maker does it.

It's you own damn fault for not doing the research first. I know you don't want to hear that, but it's true. And for people who think I'm an Apple lover, if I had an Android phone that ran honeycomb (when it actually does come out) and someone had an older Android phone running Gingerbread and tried to upgrade, I'd say the exact same thing.

Once again, do the research first and don't bitch when you fuck up your device because you were too lazy to look. That goes for anyone with any smartphone.

[hater]

Actually, they want you to get a new phone every two years, just like every other phone maker. Nothing new here.

It's like getting a Hero and installing Honeycomb on it. It's just plain stupid and you shouldn't do it. Some phones can handle the new stuff and most phones can't. Every maker does it.

It's you own damn fault for not doing the research first. I know you don't want to hear that, but it's true. And for people who think I'm an Apple lover, if I had an Android phone that ran honeycomb (when it actually does come out) and someone had an older Android phone running Gingerbread and tried to upgrade, I'd say the exact same thing.

Once again, do the research first and don't bitch when you fuck up your device because you were too lazy to look. That goes for anyone with any smartphone.

wake up. 99% of iphone users dont' even know what an OS is or does. Apple should not pop up the message or recommend the upgrade. They fucked up and any apple fanboy that does not recognize this is in a real sad state.

me? I like to get the latest security patches and bugfixes. And don't have time to "look" :rolleyes

[Nathan Explosion]

nope. From reading that thread it looks like OS4 takes up 98% of internal memory on IDLE mode. No wonder my thigh is always scorching hot from puttin this phone in my pocket :lol

Because your phone doesn't have the hardware to handle the iOS. My iPhone 4 does just fine. Hell, I had a hard time killing the battery the other day (I like to drain my battery all the way down every now and then) and I was playing games and watching videos and what not. Just get a new phone. You're going to encounter the same thing with Android if you get a free phone. Those phones are cheaper phones with outdated hardware (they're still nice, capable phones though), but once Honeycomb comes out, you can't upgrade. So unless you want to throw down $200 on a new phone, you're going to encounter the same problem, be it iPhone or Android.

[hater]

Because your phone doesn't have the hardware to handle the iOS. My iPhone 4 does just fine. Hell, I had a hard time killing the battery the other day (I like to drain my battery all the way down every now and then) and I was playing games and watching videos and what not. Just get a new phone. You're going to encounter the same thing with Android if you get a free phone. Those phones are cheaper phones with outdated hardware (they're still nice, capable phones though), but once Honeycomb comes out, you can't upgrade. So unless you want to throw down $200 on a new phone, you're going to encounter the same problem, be it iPhone or Android.

Honeycomb is not going to pop up the message "upgrade me it's recommended" and if it does fuck Google too. They fucked up too

[Nathan Explosion]

wake up. 99% of iphone users dont' even know what an OS is or does. Apple should not pop up the message or recommend the upgrade. They fucked up and any apple fanboy that does not recognize this is in a real sad state.

No, a user too lazy to do the right research is just pissed and doesn't want to take responsibility. Again, Android is fixing to do the same thing with the release of Honeycomb. Lots of phones are going to be left behind, and some idiots are going to try and upgrade too. Now, maybe the phones won't let the upgrade go through, and I say good on them if that happens.

But either way, technology moves forward and if you're not prepared to keep up, then don't bitch when you get left behind. Hell, I've had my phone a year, and it's already been passed up by dual core phones. But I don't bitch, I just keep going. In another year, I'll have the new latest and greatest because I like trying to keep up.

Future-proof your shit. My desktop is 5 years old, but I added so much new shit to it when I bought it that it has kept up no problem. I can install Windows 7 on this bitch and not have a problem because I made sure the processor is fast enough and has enough internal memory. But above all, if I do upgrade the OS, I'M GOING TO RESEARCH IT FIRST!!!!

But keep complaining. It only makes you look more foolish.

And no, I'm not a technology wiz. I just read about things before I actually try and do them.

[Nathan Explosion]

Honeycomb is not going to pop up the message "upgrade me it's recommended" and if it does fuck Google too. They fucked up too

Thank you for showing where the problem is. The problem isn't with Apple or Google or the various Android phone makers, it's you. Look in the mirror and say, I have a problem keeping up with technology, and in my mind, that's everyone else's fault instead of mine.

[hater]

Thank you for showing where the problem is. The problem isn't with Apple or Google or the various Android phone makers, it's you. Look in the mirror and say, I have a problem keeping up with technology, and in my mind, that's everyone else's fault instead of mine.


someone is not grasping or not wanting to grasp the concept that Apple fucked up. A "regular user" connects their phone and gets a message "upgrade me to the latest" of course they click yes. Next day their phone is a hot piece of shit that doesn't do shit.

The "regular user" calls apple and that starts a round of phone calls, conversations, phone reset after phone reset. Weeks turn into months with no improvement.

This same thing happens to thousands of users.

Can you grasp that Apple fucked up now???

[MannyIsGod]

If they are going to push the update out then it should work much better than it is for so many complaints. I don't get why anyone is even defending that.

And 3 year old phones really aren't that old by any means.

[Nathan Explosion]

Just because I can, I'm typing this on my iPhone 4 running the latest version of iOS and look, no lag. :)

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Try installing win7 on a PIII and get back to us on that.

3 years is plenty old in the tech world. Numerically speaking, 3 years isn't old.

[leemajors]

If they are going to push the update out then it should work much better than it is for so many complaints. I don't get why anyone is even defending that.

And 3 year old phones really aren't that old by any means.

It's just a reminder that says new software is available when you connect to iTunes. 3 years old in iPhones is a good bit behind (but not ancient), especially in what games/apps you can run well and not.

[hater]

It's just a reminder that says new software is available when you connect to iTunes. 3 years old in iPhones is a good bit behind (but not ancient), especially in what games/apps you can run well and not.

:lol wow Apple fanboys have lost it

"A new update is available for your phone. Please click to update it"

this showing up everytime you connect your phone is not a reminder. It is basically pushing users to do it.

Again nobody is discussing the speed technology changes. We are discussing the fact that Apple fucked this up by pushing OS 4 to 3G iphones and dropped the ball even further by not fixing the issue and just advising customers to reset their phone twice. Apple has not even released an official statement. Click the link to the thread I posted.


how you can compare this to a user reinstalling Windows 7 on a Window 98 Pentium III computer is beyond me :downspin:

[MannyIsGod]

Try installing win7 on a PIII and get back to us on that.

3 years is plenty old in the tech world. Numerically speaking, 3 years isn't old.

They were making PIIIs 3 years ago?

When you have to use a 12 year old processor to prove your point you're probably doing a shitty job of making a point.

But, for simplicities sake, lets go with your (bad) analogy. Lets say in 2000, I bought a Pentium III from Dell. Then in 2011, when I turn on my PIII desktop, Dell's updater informs me there is an update for my machine and its Windows 7. You think thats a good idea on Dell's part?

[MannyIsGod]

It's just a reminder that says new software is available when you connect to iTunes. 3 years old in iPhones is a good bit behind (but not ancient), especially in what games/apps you can run well and not.

Do you think Apple should issue a reminder for someone to update their phone to a piece of software that will not run well? I don't.

Also, the processor difference is substantial between the two phones but I really doubt that the hardware intensity of the two IOS versions is all that great. The processor difference will absolutely make a difference in apps but I'm not too sure that is the case for the baseline OS.

Perhaps ElNono can fill us in on that since he would know better than you or I would.

[MannyIsGod]

One huge thing you have to consider, is that the average phone user isn't going to think about their phone specs and whether or not it can handle new software. They're going to see an update from Apple and they're going to do it because Apple is supposed to know better than they do.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Do you forward emails to 10 people in fear of you having 7 years of bad luck?
Do you buy every product from every pop up that pops up in the interwebz?
Geez. There is a cancel button and Do Not Remind Me box on there and they work great for me.

Its iOS 3 and iOS 4. It's not 3.1 3.2 or 3.1111. It's a new number it's a completely new OS that enables multi-tasking for current technology. PIII and the current i5 i7 chips are the means that I'm using to make an analogy that you and other people don't seem to comprehend. I've already stated that apple gambled on people updating their phones to make the shift to iOS less whiny. You wouldn't put a performance engine in a fucking Yugo.

I'm not a fanboy. I just don't hop on the latest updates cuz a gun is held to my head whenever I pull up iTunes and hook up my phone. And if a silly program "makes" you update then I think you've lost it, flapjack.

[SourCandy]

Phones nowadays are like computers. You buy one off the shelf and your good....for a while. Few months? Then you need updates software changes and such :madrun

Only way your good is if you buy a phone gut it and change it and have the smarts(or know someone who does) to keep it fresh and running sweet.

I hate computers and I hate phones..for all the pc shit they put in it(but i like it too haha)Next I'm gonna start hating cars with all the tech savy stuff they are putting in it nowadays too! As if cars were not complicated enough!

ok i'm done :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Everyone here understands you're making an analogy but I think everyone also understands that you're making a bad analogy. See my above post.

Its very simple, do you think its a good idea for software companies to push software updates that will cause them and their customers headaches? The fact that you can ignore the update is irrelevant. Wouldn't the fact that you have to ignore their updates be proof in favor of the OP that Apple does in fact suck?

When Apple gives you an update, you don't think you should be able to assume it runs faster? Maybe its just me, but I think thats fairly reasonable.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

They were making PIIIs 3 years ago?

When you have to use a 12 year old processor to prove your point you're probably doing a shitty job of making a point.

But, for simplicities sake, lets go with your (bad) analogy. Lets say in 2000, I bought a Pentium III from Dell. Then in 2011, when I turn on my PIII desktop, Dell's updater informs me there is an update for my machine and its Windows 7. You think thats a good idea on Dell's part?

In terms of iPhones CPUs I'd think a PIII is par with a 3G chip compared to an iPhone 4 chip. Will a Core2duo satisfy you? Oh wait. That's a dual core which 3G's didn't have. Hence PIII

With any OS upgrade, and I'm talking complete OS, you have to see if you can run it with what you have. He went from iOS 3 to iOS 4 which makes it a completely different OS. don't really know how else to simplify it to you and hater. The ones that can't seem to understand.

[MannyIsGod]

new number

Maybe my mistake was not using a large font when I tried to tell you that your analogy sucked. For that, I apologize.

[MannyIsGod]

In terms of iPhones CPUs I'd think a PIII is par with a 3G chip compared to an iPhone 4 chip. Will a Core2duo satisfy you? Oh wait. That's a dual core which 3G's didn't have. Hence PIII

With any OS upgrade, and I'm talking complete OS, you have to see if you can run it with what you have. He went from iOS 3 to iOS 4 which makes it a completely different OS. don't really know how else to simplify it to you and hater. The ones that can't seem to understand.

Ok, fine. But here's the point that you can't possibly counter. If you expect Hater to know better, why the fuck don't you expect Apple to know better?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Everyone here understands you're making an analogy but I think everyone also understands that you're making a bad analogy. See my above post.

Its very simple, do you think its a good idea for software companies to push software updates that will cause them and their customers headaches? The fact that you can ignore the update is irrelevant. Wouldn't the fact that you have to ignore their updates be proof in favor of the OP that Apple does in fact suck?

When Apple gives you an update, you don't think you should be able to assume it runs faster? Maybe its just me, but I think thats fairly reasonable.

Ok, Manny, there's a reason there's an iOS 4 for an iphone 4. Is that a good analogy. Picture in your head a perfect world where an iPhone 3G will smoothly run iOS 4. Can you see it?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I swear, Manny. You'd debate that a boar's tits are full of worth til you're satisfied.

[MannyIsGod]

Where I see it or not is not the issue. The issue is whether or not Apple should see it. Thats kinda the point when he says that Apple sucks.

Let me know if the big font is needed to make you understand. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

I swear, Manny. You'd debate that a boar's tits are full of worth til you're satisfied.

:lol

You shouldn't come to a battle of wits unarmed and then whine about it. Errr, I mean you shouldn't try to use a PIII to run Windows 7 and then whine about it.

[leemajors]

Do you think Apple should issue a reminder for someone to update their phone to a piece of software that will not run well? I don't.

Also, the processor difference is substantial between the two phones but I really doubt that the hardware intensity of the two IOS versions is all that great. The processor difference will absolutely make a difference in apps but I'm not too sure that is the case for the baseline OS.

Perhaps ElNono can fill us in on that since he would know better than you or I would.

It runs fine for some. My brother has a 3G phone that runs 4.2 and it works great. My best friend has a 3G that runs like shit unless it is restored every other week. I would imagine the OP has a hardware problem of some sort exacerbated by software, but it would cost to have it repaired/replaced.

I think it's a lot easier to code a warning for any iPhone plugged in rather than differentiating between models, or determining which specific phones may be able to run it well or not.

Of course, the OP could just call tech support, state he was having serious problems after upgrading his phone and request to speak with CR. Once on the line, he could state his complaint calmly and state it was seriously affecting his decision on whether to purchase Apple products in the future, which he really wants to do since he has sunk a decent amount of money into the iOS/iTunes ecosystem. They would likely offer a free repair/replacement, and he could have a refurb on his hands he could hack and sell or just keep until something else came along. They were offering a lot of exceptions for this very reason when 4.0 first came out. Or he could just whine on a messageboard.

[diego]

maybe they shouldnt share the same software platform if there is such a disparity in hardware capacity. I agree with Hater, the average user (especially the average Apple user) will see the word update and hit yes trusting that the manufacturer is recommending the update by notifying them of it.

From here it seems like just a money grab, to get people to buy new phones.


any comparison to windows or android is really not equivalent, because those are open platforms where you are expected to check the hardware / software compatibility as they come from different manufacturers. what is the point of having a closed system (which you pay a significant price premium for) if I have to treat my devices and software as if they were from different manufacturers, and rely on reviews, blogs and users to find out what works and what doesnt? Plain and simple, Apple should not have sent a notification for an OS update to a device that can't handle it, that has nothing to do with "keeping up with technology" or user irresponsibility.

[MannyIsGod]

It runs fine for some. My brother has a 3G phone that runs 4.2 and it works great. My best friend has a 3G that runs like shit unless it is restored every other week. I would imagine the OP has a hardware problem of some sort exacerbated by software, but it would cost to have it repaired/replaced.


That makes more sense then. I guess that PIII can run Windows 7 after all.



I think it's a lot easier to code a warning for any iPhone plugged in rather than differentiating between models, or determining which specific phones may be able to run it well or not.

Of course, the OP could just call tech support, state he was having serious problems after upgrading his phone and request to speak with CR. Once on the line, he could state his complaint calmly and state it was seriously affecting his decision on whether to purchase Apple products in the future, which he really wants to do since he has sunk a decent amount of money into the iOS/iTunes ecosystem. They would likely offer a free repair/replacement, and he could have a refurb on his hands he could hack and sell or just keep until something else came along. They were offering a lot of exceptions for this very reason when 4.0 first came out. Or he could just whine on a messageboard.

If Apple gave him a refurb that would be pretty damn awesome.

[MannyIsGod]

maybe they shouldnt share the same software platform if there is such a disparity in hardware capacity. I agree with Hater, the average user (especially the average Apple user) will see the word update and hit yes trusting that the manufacturer is recommending the update by notifying them of it.

From here it seems like just a money grab, to get people to buy new phones.


any comparison to windows or android is really not equivalent, because those are open platforms where you are expected to check the hardware / software compatibility as they come from different manufacturers. what is the point of having a closed system (which you pay a significant price premium for) if I have to treat my devices and software as if they were from different manufacturers, and rely on reviews, blogs and users to find out what works and what doesnt? Plain and simple, Apple should not have sent a notification for an OS update to a device that can't handle it, that has nothing to do with "keeping up with technology" or user irresponsibility.

Bingo.

[leemajors]

That makes more sense then. I guess that PIII can run Windows 7 after all.



If Apple gave him a refurb that would be pretty damn awesome.

Dunno why you are lumping me in with the Win 7 stuff :lol

They have been known to do so on many occasions.

[diego]

sorry, but to add to the pIII win 98 - windows 7 analogy:

between win 98 and windows 7 there were 2 different versions of windows released, XP and vista.
likewise, there were at least 4 different intel CPU architectures released in the 10+ years between a pentium 3 and the iCore lines.

I do run windows 7 on a pentium 4 though (with aero off, as a media server). It actually needs more RAM than it does CPU power. I prefer win7 over XP because it has better networking performance, especially when it comes to supporting WIFI and external disks.

[MannyIsGod]

Dunno why you are lumping me in with the Win 7 stuff :lol

They have been known to do so on many occasions.

:lol I didn't mean to make it seem like I was lumping you in. I just had to take another shot but it wasn't directed at you.

[Cry Havoc]

You know Apple is slipping when, after years of proclaiming it's extreme superiority to anything non-Steve Jobs-based, Apple users are using Microsoft's operating system as a basis of comparison. :wow

Also: 3 years != 12 years. There's just no way you can make that comparison. I had a top of the line computer in 2000 with a 1 Ghz PIII and 256mb of RAM. That was the fastest chip you could buy, because they just broke the 1Ghz barrier. So again, the comparison is ridiculous. The differences between a modern day computer and a PIII are much greater than those between an iPhone 3G and an iPhone4.


It's like getting a Hero and installing Honeycomb on it. It's just plain stupid and you shouldn't do it. Some phones can handle the new stuff and most phones can't. Every maker does it.

You... do realize that Honeycomb is more efficiently designed than Eclair, and thus will likely run as well on a Hero as 2.1 does, right? I mean, that's the argument you're attempting to make, right? People are using their Nooks with ~2 year old procs in them and Honeycomb is just fine. I'm betting a Hero wouldn't struggle to run 3.0.

[Dex]

If Apple made computers and devices that people were meant to hold onto for 10 years, their business would crumble to the ground. Same goes for most technology companies.

[diego]

thats fine and dandy, but the objective should be to make products so improved that people want to upgrade, not force them to by crippling their old products

[Cry Havoc]

If Apple made computers and devices that people were meant to hold onto for 10 years, their business would crumble to the ground. Same goes for most technology companies.

Apparently 3 years is now the limit.

[Dex]

Apparently 3 years is now the limit.

Which is, coincidentally, the exact same length of time the will warranty any hardware.

Five years and older is obsolete, as far as they are concerned.

[Nathan Explosion]

You know Apple is slipping when, after years of proclaiming it's extreme superiority to anything non-Steve Jobs-based, Apple users are using Microsoft's operating system as a basis of comparison. :wow

Also: 3 years != 12 years. There's just no way you can make that comparison. I had a top of the line computer in 2000 with a 1 Ghz PIII and 256mb of RAM. That was the fastest chip you could buy, because they just broke the 1Ghz barrier. So again, the comparison is ridiculous. The differences between a modern day computer and a PIII are much greater than those between an iPhone 3G and an iPhone4.



You... do realize that Honeycomb is more efficiently designed than Eclair, and thus will likely run as well on a Hero as 2.1 does, right? I mean, that's the argument you're attempting to make, right? People are using their Nooks with ~2 year old procs in them and Honeycomb is just fine. I'm betting a Hero wouldn't struggle to run 3.0.

My aunt had a Hero that was struggling to run Gingerbread. Again, might be a hardware problem. A Hero's specs are vastly inferior to an Evo and will stuggle to run what is designed to run on a dual core chipset. The Nooks are running a rooted version with mixed results from what I'm hearing, and I've been asking because I thought about getting a Nook and rooting it (you see, I research before I do something).

As for the MS comparisons, here's one. My iBook G4 running Tiger could not run Leopard. I know you're going to say the chipset is different, and it is, but the speed of the chip wouldn't be able to handle it regardless of the chip maker (Motorola vs Intel). I can't even run Youtube videos on it because the hardware isn't up to par anymore. And we're talking just one OS difference between the two.

He's barely bitching about this now, while the information about the 3G running iOS4 has been out there for a while. A little research could have saved him a lot of trouble. But don't let your laziness get in the way of a good bitching.

[Nathan Explosion]

Which is, coincidentally, the exact same length of time the will warranty any hardware.

Five years and older is obsolete, as far as they are concerned.

In the technology world, 5 years is ancient unless you future proof your stuff. My computer is ancient by today's standards, but I added a faster chip, big HD and nice amount of RAM when I was buying it, and it still runs great. Not the best by any stretch of the imagination, but definitely better than adequate. If I added a better video card, I'd have it running as good as some of the lower end PCs coming out today.

But then again, a desktop is much easier to upgrade on the fly. As for phones, well, there's a reason 2 year contracts are put out there (other than the main reason of making money). After two years, your smartphone is pretty much done and newer hardware is available to leave your current phone in the dust. Just keep up or stop complaining when you're left behind.

[MannyIsGod]

You're a fool if you think a phone's shelf life is 2 years.

[ElNono]

iOS 4 has some features turned off on the 3GS exactly for that reason (performance). I still have my 3GS around here running iOS 4, and it's ok. The problem is that after using something much faster (iPad, iPhone 4), it's very hard to go back to a noticeable slower device. It happens on the computer world too.

[Slydragon]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/apple-camera-patent-could-stop-smartphone-bootleggers-in-their-t/?m=false

[Cry Havoc]

(you see, I research before I do something).


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[Cry Havoc]

After two years, your smartphone is pretty much done and newer hardware is available to leave your current phone in the dust. Just keep up or stop complaining when you're left behind.

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[Cry Havoc]

The lengths people will delude themselves to keep backing Apple. It's shocking. Not unlike the political forum TBH.

[hater]

crazy apple fanboys will run off a cliff for the next Apple IOS

:lmao

[PM5K]

I like Apple but I'm not a fanboy. I own Apple products, but do not own, and probably will never own a Mac.

I agree that they shouldn't push the update, the 3G just isn't fast enough to run it.

Anyone that doesn't think a three year old phone is ancient, is fucking crazy.

[TheInternets]

I like Apple but I'm not a fanboy. I own Apple products, but do not own, and probably will never own a Mac.

I agree that they shouldn't push the update, the 3G just isn't fast enough to run it.

Anyone that doesn't think a three year old phone is ancient, is fucking crazy.

So someone who owns a 3 year old phone should expect it to be so antiquated that it's not even usable?

The issue isn't about how "old" haters phone is. It's that it was working perfectly well a shoe while ago, and is no longer. And after all this shit talking about how foolproof the phones are, and how they "just work", now all of the sudden hater is to be blamed for not looking over support forums before he accepts a recommend update to his phone?

[MannyIsGod]

I like Apple but I'm not a fanboy. I own Apple products, but do not own, and probably will never own a Mac.

I agree that they shouldn't push the update, the 3G just isn't fast enough to run it.

Anyone that doesn't think a three year old phone is ancient, is fucking crazy.

Eh, the people saying stupid shit like this are fucking crazy. Just because something is not cutting edge anymore doesn't make it ancient by any means. There are people in this forum with nearly 3 year old android phones that are working pretty damn well thanks to the community.

[in2deep]

Anyone that doesn't think a three year old phone is ancient, is fucking crazy.

I have a 4 year old phone and it works fine. I know this is the Geek forum where geeks have to always buy the latest. But I am also a geek, but my phone works perfectly fine. I fixed the screen twice, the headphone jack and hack it and mess with it all the time. I am attached to this phone if it lasts this long its gonna be for a good reason why should I be forced to get a new one?

[ElNono]

The thing with lower-end processors, like those used on cellphones, is that Moore's law still applies. So, I definitely agree in the 2-3 year rule when calling tech ancient in that space.
Shouldn't prevent your old phone from working though, but compared to the latest and greatest, it should feel relatively ancient.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

"minimum"

"recommended"

lengths lol

[ElNono]

crazy apple fanboys will run off a cliff for the next Apple IOS

:lmao

Is this gonna be happening today? :lol

[Cry Havoc]

"minimum"

"recommended"

lengths lol

"It just works"

[Venti Quattro]

Someone please update about the Apple keynote

[lefty]

Someone please update about the Apple keynote
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/06/live-from-apples-wwdc-2011-keynote-with-steve-jobs/

[Drachen]

My aunt had a Hero that was struggling to run Gingerbread. Again, might be a hardware problem. A Hero's specs are vastly inferior to an Evo and will stuggle to run what is designed to run on a dual core chipset. The Nooks are running a rooted version with mixed results from what I'm hearing, and I've been asking because I thought about getting a Nook and rooting it (you see, I research before I do something).

As for the MS comparisons, here's one. My iBook G4 running Tiger could not run Leopard. I know you're going to say the chipset is different, and it is, but the speed of the chip wouldn't be able to handle it regardless of the chip maker (Motorola vs Intel). I can't even run Youtube videos on it because the hardware isn't up to par anymore. And we're talking just one OS difference between the two.

He's barely bitching about this now, while the information about the 3G running iOS4 has been out there for a while. A little research could have saved him a lot of trouble. But don't let your laziness get in the way of a good bitching.

Really? I have a hero that runs GB at least twice as fast/smooth as eclair. I had to revert to stock about 7 days ago, haven't used it in about 8 months. There is no way I could ever stay on stock. I was only on it for about an hour and I grew ridiculously impatient with how slow it was and how much battery power it was using.

As far as the Nooks are concerned, you are probably right not to buy it if you feel HC is absolutely necessary. The Dev community doesn't have the source code and is building it specifically from the sdk so it is going to be a little buggy. It is likely that HC source won't be released, and they will release Ice cream source code when it comes out (at which point they will likely have a NC2 to kick around with). However if you want a HC tab, I would look at the Transformer (personally).

[Dex]

More WWDC coverage here: http://www.macrumorslive.com/

[Viva Las Espuelas]

"It just works"

Well yeah. I don't believe I ever said it wouldn't. That's why minimum and recommended are two separate words used in software and hardware. Would your games "just work" on your old computer? Why did you get a newer one? Minimum. Recommended.

[Venti Quattro]

Did Jobs say anything about the Mac Pro?

[Jt.ONE]

android is where its at man!

fcuk apple..

[ElNono]

Did Jobs say anything about the Mac Pro?

:lol no

[Venti Quattro]

well that el jobso fucker I was waiting for the new shit that he was going to throw into the 2011-2012 mac pro

[cheguevara]

http://techland.time.com/2011/06/06/its-official-its-microsoft-facebook-vs-twitter-apple/


It's Official: It's Microsoft & Facebook vs. Twitter & Apple

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Did Jobs say anything about the Mac Pro?

As far as?

I know they bulked up the MacBook pro's and iMac's a few months ago. Doubled the processing power and introduced Thunderbolt. I can't imagine bulking up the Mac Pro's.

[Dex]

Mac Pros will get a revamp soon enough so they can be integrated with Thunderbolt. It's just a matter of when. For some reason they usually don't really push the hardware upgrades at events like WWDC; they are usually rolled out during the slower periods. Maybe this summer. The last version was a Mac Pro Mid-2010, so a Mid-2011 would make sense.

[Heath Ledger]

LOL at the poster bitching about his old ass iphone slowing down. It's akin to buying a mac g5 and bitching because you cant run the latest version of mac osx on it. Don't be a cheap ass, sell your phone for $100 put it towards your upgrade or buy a 3gs outright so you have no contract.

[symple19]

Eh, the people saying stupid shit like this are fucking crazy.

this times infinity

these threads are always fun(ny) to read

lol apple

[Venti Quattro]

As far as?

I know they bulked up the MacBook pro's and iMac's a few months ago. Doubled the processing power and introduced Thunderbolt. I can't imagine bulking up the Mac Pro's.

Can you imagine dat bitch with 24 cores, 32 TB of HDD, 4 GB of video capability and 256 GB of RAM? Can't wait. The Mac Pro is the only thing I religiously follow at Apple.

[TheInternets]

I find it somewhat amusing that if this situation were to have happened on a non-Apple device, the postings in this thread blaming the OP for having an old phone would instead be rofling and loling to their hearts content about how stupid they are for owning a non-iPhone, and adamantly talking about how nothing like that would ever happen on a device crafted by Mr. Jobs.

[cheguevara]

:lol

Android bugs, it's Google's fault

Apple bugs, it's the user's fault

[TheInternets]

:lol

Android bugs, it's Google's fault

Apple bugs, it's the user's fault

You're not holding the updates the right way. :lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Can you imagine dat bitch with 24 cores, 32 TB of HDD, 4 GB of video capability and 256 GB of RAM? Can't wait. The Mac Pro is the only thing I religiously follow at Apple.

A bit of overkill, but if they can make it then cool. Mac Pro's are beasts. Every recording studio I've been to and have read about has one as the core. It's THE standard and a proven piece of machinery in that environment.

[leemajors]

I find it somewhat amusing that if this situation were to have happened on a non-Apple device, the postings in this thread blaming the OP for having an old phone would instead be rofling and loling to their hearts content about how stupid they are for owning a non-iPhone, and adamantly talking about how nothing like that would ever happen on a device crafted by Mr. Jobs.

If someone is bitching about a phone that is a few years old, I would always say buy a new one first, no matter who made it.

[hater]

If someone is bitching about a phone that is a few years old, I would always say buy a new one first, no matter who made it.

and Steve Jobs loves you for it.

[leemajors]

i'd rather have a bigger raise

[MannyIsGod]

A 3 year old phone can still do most of the things the average user needs it to do. There are going to be a few fringe items that it won't do but I promise you the average user doesn't care.

Further more, I can't speak for Apple, but Android devices that are between 2-3 years old currently and are receiving updated versions of the OS and running at higher efficiency levels than they have ever run.

It just makes no sense to consider the lifespan of a smart phone to be 2 years and new models coming out RIGHT NOW will likely display even longer productive periods. It really doesn't matter how fast the newer processors are if the newer processors will be overkill for what most people use their phones for (calls, texting, internet browsing, and simple video games).

[ElNono]

Manny, you sound like "640K ought to be enough for anybody". :lol

The thing with these smartphones (both Android and Apple) is that they allow you to do much more than just calling, texting and browsing... and so people do much more with them.

Three years ago the 3G was coming out. I happen to use one of those still today to test compatibility with older devices. Web browsing on that thing is insufferable. Would it work for most things? Sure. Does it feel like I'm using a Pentium II? Absolutely.

It's orders of magnitude better than the 5 year old WAP. And the leap from the 3G to the iPhone 4 or even an EVO is not as high, but certainly at least an order of magnitude. And I agree that as we move forward the difference will diminish and the longevity will extend. But there' still plenty of room for a few more Moore's Law iterations in the mobile market.

[MannyIsGod]

You're not the average user though. And thats the main problem that leads to the perception that a 3 year old smart phone is getting older. I'll grant you that a phone from 3 years ago today is going to fare worse than an Evo will fare 3 years after its inception but the point is that for the average user that phone will be fine.

[PM5K]

...Android devices that are between 2-3 years old currently and are receiving updated versions of the OS...

Wha?

[MannyIsGod]

Why are you trying to play dumb?

[MannyIsGod]

IE - the 2 year old Hero running 2.3.

[MannyIsGod]

Hell the HTC Magic is over 3 years old and its officially running 2.2

[ElNono]

You're not the average user though. And thats the main problem that leads to the perception that a 3 year old smart phone is getting older. I'll grant you that a phone from 3 years ago today is going to fare worse than an Evo will fare 3 years after its inception but the point is that for the average user that phone will be fine.

Unrelated, but I'm actually pretty average as a user. I have about 8 apps installed in my phone, 3 of which are ours. I don't even text. As you probably noticed, I rarely tweet :D

The way I see it is that the average user is either ok with that they have for what they do, or they're bitching and moaning (ie: OP) because of a number of reasons. If you're on the later group, then upgrading should be an option to consider.

Shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg to move up to a 3GS, and that's even supported by the upcoming iOS 5...

[ElNono]

And BTW, there's actually a hardware reason why the 3G can't do things like multitasking with iOS while the 3GS can. There was a CPU switch between those models, and obviously, going forward, Apple is just going to stick with the new tech.

[Venti Quattro]

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[hater]

yet more reasons to hate Apple :lol

Apple Harassed Over iPhone 5 & iPad 3, Tells Court
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/apple/7264-iphone-5-ipad-3

Not only does apple accuse Samsung of copying their Ipad2 iphone4 designs. They order them to hand over their upcoming products to make sure they are not copying from iphone 5. When Samsung orders them to do the same and hand over their upcoming designs, Apple says they are being harrassed.

:lmao

fuck Apple. I hope they die slowly

[hater]

fuckers are suing everyone and their mothers. They just lost a suit to Nokia :lol

Apple loses to Nokia in patent licensing suit: signs licensing agreement
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/06/14/apple-loses-to-nokia-in-patent-licensing-suit-signs-licensing-agreement/

[lefty]

Who cares

Jobs = gangsta


At the end, still the best phones

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae255/Genisisthewolf/HatersGonnaHate.png

[hater]

At the end, still the best phones


:lol

wake up. iphone 4 is not even top 5 best phone out there right now

[lefty]

:lol

wake up. iphone 4 is not even top 5 best phone out there right now
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/041/3/f/Joker_Troll_by_GEEK_in_IT.png

[hater]

1. Galaxy s2
2. Sensation
3. Droid Bionic
4. Motorola Atrix
5. Nokia N8

:sleep

[lefty]

http://ninjawiththeorangetshirt.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/jobbbs.jpg?w=385&h=599

[hater]

:lol butthurt

[lefty]

1. Galaxy s2
2. Sensation
3. Droid Bionic
4. Motorola Atrix
5. Nokia N8

:sleep
Shit, I didnt see that list

































:lmao

[hater]

you sound like a spursfan coming into the 2011 playoffs.

:lmao

[in2deep]

that is the Steve Jobs motto. When you can't beat them. Sue them.

not sure about calling it "gasta" if they cry "harassment" to the court at the first instigation

[lefty]

you sound like a spursfan coming into the 2011 playoffs.

:lmao
Prove me that the 5 phones you have listed are better than the iPhone 4

[hater]

:lmao having to prove to an apple fanboy.

Do your research and open your eyes if you really want to find out.

All the phones listed have superior hardware to the Iphone4 by miles. Gingerbread is miles ahead of iOS as well. It won't be even close until Iphone5 comes out.

[lefty]

:lmao having to prove to an apple fanboy.

Do your research and open your eyes if you really want to find out.

All the phones listed have superior hardware to the Iphone4 by miles. Gingerbread is miles ahead of iOS as well. It won't be even close until Iphone5 comes out.
Typical answer from someone who has 0 argument, nada


GTFO :lmao

[hater]

Typical answer from someone who has 0 argument, nada


GTFO :lmao

typical response from Apple fanboy when truth is spoken.

You could have said Iphone has better hardware... oh wait :depressed
or iOS is better than Gingerbread... oh wait :depressed
but iphone has better camera.... oh wait :depressed
well Iphone plays Flash.... oh wait :depressed
but Itunes is the shit... oh wait :depressed

:lmao


lefty with a shitty phone

[koriwhat]

love me some apple products but fuck their stores and their philosophy. i went to a pre interview things a couple months ago and that shit was a joke, full of little bitches eager to kiss a bunch of no-name's asses. fuck that place!

[MannyIsGod]

LOL in other words you had no chance of getting a job?

[Cry Havoc]

love me some apple products but fuck their stores and their philosophy. i went to a pre interview things a couple months ago and that shit was a joke, full of little bitches eager to kiss a bunch of no-name's asses. fuck that place!

Uh.... what the fuck did you expect?

[Dex]

love me some apple products but fuck their stores and their philosophy. i went to a pre interview things a couple months ago and that shit was a joke, full of little bitches eager to kiss a bunch of no-name's asses. fuck that place!

Welcome to employment.

[koriwhat]

LOL in other words you had no chance of getting a job?

i applied many many months ago and out of the blue they called me in, to what i thought was an interview so wth i went. i ended up getting there and noticed 20 others sitting around waiting for that joke of a pre-interview.

none of those fools even owned a damn apple computer, let alone computer literate. if anything, i am too knowledgable to sit around and bs with a bunch of hipster faggots at some lame ass store.

fuck that place!

btw, tattooing and freelancing is worth it more than working at some shitty mall job.

[koriwhat]

Uh.... what the fuck did you expect?

not much tbh

[lefty]

typical response from Apple fanboy when truth is spoken.

You could have said Iphone has better hardware... oh wait :depressed
or iOS is better than Gingerbread... oh wait :depressed
but iphone has better camera.... oh wait :depressed
well Iphone plays Flash.... oh wait :depressed
but Itunes is the shit... oh wait :depressed

:lmao


lefty with a shitty phone


Lol Flash is NOT necessary to begin with

iTunes?

Not needed anymore with iOs 5, everything is in the cloud.

Let me guess, with your Nokia N8, you still have to plug it to your PC in order to transfer files


Don't hate, man, don't hate :lol

[koriwhat]

i still own a shitty crackberry with no camera on it. hahaha! shit sucks but i don't care because i don't need all the whistles and bells, i have an ipad with internet on the go for all that mess.

[hater]

Lol Flash is NOT necessary to begin with


typical fanboy response



iTunes?

Not needed anymore with iOs 5, everything is in the cloud.

Let me guess, with your Nokia N8, you still have to plug it to your PC in order to transfer files


Don't hate, man, don't hate :lol

oh I forgot about the iCloud. The next best thing since sliced bread. Except it's nothing new. Ever heard of DropBox?

but it's apple, it will rock like MobileMe did
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/07/apple-slammed-f/

:lmao

[lefty]

typical fanboy response



oh I forgot about the iCloud. The next best thing since sliced bread. Except it's nothing new. Ever heard of DropBox?

but it's apple, it will rock like MobileMe did
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/07/apple-slammed-f/

:lmao
Where did I say that iCloud it'S the 1st of its kind?

Learn to read :lmao


Does Nokia or any of the phones you have listed has its own virtual files storage system?

No plugging to computer, no memory card needed if I want to transfer mp3's to my iPhone :hat



Hater :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

i applied many many months ago and out of the blue they called me in, to what i thought was an interview so wth i went. i ended up getting there and noticed 20 others sitting around waiting for that joke of a pre-interview.

none of those fools even owned a damn apple computer, let alone computer literate. if anything, i am too knowledgable to sit around and bs with a bunch of hipster faggots at some lame ass store.

fuck that place!

btw, tattooing and freelancing is worth it more than working at some shitty mall job.

I would fucking hate to work retail. If I worked there I'd want to tell every fucker that walked in they were paying too much.

[koriwhat]

I would fucking hate to work retail. If I worked there I'd want to tell every fucker that walked in they were paying too much.

:tu

[Spurminator]

I would fucking hate to work retail. If I worked there I'd want to tell every fucker that walked in they were paying too much.

This is exactly why I was terrible behind the movie theater concession stand.

[TheoGretzinger]

Daily Magazines (http://dailymagazines.net)
I am full of admiration and positive feelings. Very nice, clean and pleasant. All the best for the author.

[hater]

Where did I say that iCloud it'S the 1st of its kind?

Learn to read :lmao


Does Nokia or any of the phones you have listed has its own virtual files storage system?

No plugging to computer, no memory card needed if I want to transfer mp3's to my iPhone :hat



Hater :lmao

Don't know about symbian but Androids can easily access a network share and copy files back and forth. This has been possible for years.

:lol being able to talk smack only about my #5 device in the list

[lefty]

Don't know about symbian but Androids can easily access a network share and copy files back and forth. This has been possible for years.

:lol being able to talk smack only about my #5 device in the listyeah but it sucks

[ElNono]

Actually, iCloud isn't just another Dropbox. Arguably, it's quite different than DB. It's more of a sync service with metadata capabilities than a remote file system. Can't really discuss the APIs due to the NDA.

[resistanze]

This is exactly why I was terrible behind the movie theater concession stand.

Yup. I used to give shit we were supposed to charge 'extra' for free all the time. I never used the canned 'would you like to try a $100 combo' line even though I made commission on each one.

[lefty]

Actually, iCloud isn't just another Dropbox. Arguably, it's quite different than DB. It's more of a sync service with metadata capabilities than a remote file system. Can't really discuss the APIs due to the NDA.

Can you translate that post for Hater?

Thanks

[hater]

Can you translate that post for Hater?

Thanks

good morning lefty. How is your shitty phone doing. Have you logged into Itunes lately :lol

[hater]

Actually, iCloud isn't just another Dropbox. Arguably, it's quite different than DB. It's more of a sync service with metadata capabilities than a remote file system. Can't really discuss the APIs due to the NDA.

DropBox is not simply remote filesystem. You can also sync with all your devices.

this was a year ago:
Dropbox Launches Android App & Mobile API, Gives iPad Cloud Sync Apple Should Have Built

http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/04/dropbox-launches-android-app-mobile-api-gives-ipad-cloud-sync-apple-should-have-built/

One of the best parts of the new mobile API is the fact that it works with iPad applications. There are plenty of things to love about the iPad, but Apple has badly botched the flow to actually share files created on an iPad with your PC or Mac — the convoluted process involves syncing with iTunes, (:lol lefty) which isn’t the first application you’d think of when you’re trying to save, say, a Word document. With applications that integrate the Dropbox mobile API, you can skip that entirely: just tap save from your iPad. Your file will sync to your Dropbox account, and it will immediately pop up on all of your synced computers. In short, this is the file syncing service that Apple should have built (but better, because it works with Android apps too). :rollin

[lefty]

You don't give up


I respect that

[cheguevara]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/big_harris/NTkobe.gif

:lmao :lmao

[ElNono]

DropBox is not simply remote filesystem. You can also sync with all your devices.

We support DropBox in our apps. I'm very familiar with their service since I wrote the code using their APIs. DropBox *IS* a remote filesystem, and it also will do incremental diffing on the actual files (which is what they call sync).

iCloud is very different. There's no 'create directory', 'rename', 'upload', 'download' or even directory listing on iCloud. You just mark a document to be in the cloud, and a domain where you want to store it (a domain being basically what kind of file it is: Document or something else). iCloud at that point will handle all the uploading and pushing to other devices. The other action you can do from your app is run a metadata search on the storage domain. iCloud also provides an asynchronous notification mechanism to let your app know that data in the cloud has changed. With Dropbox you have to poll for changes, since it's a REST-ful API.

In a nutshell, they're just different services. Dropbox was born as a remote file system, then added sync capabilities on top. iCloud is inherently a sync service, kind of like iSync but over the internet.

I really like Dropbox as a remote file system. We integrated it in our app and people love it. I don't think we can implement the same functionality with iCloud without jumping through a lot of hoops. We could use iCloud for something else, like storing the actual app database there and we would get free sync basically. But we already offer Bluetooth and Wifi syncing, so it's somewhat irrelevant for us.

We'll probably add an iCloud option to store and retrieve database backups (we already support Dropbox for that). That's the only thing that makes sense for us.

[leemajors]

Have you looked into this, hater?

http://lifehacker.com/5817477/how-can-i-breath-new-life-into-my-old-iphone


Whited00r is a replacement firmware for the iPhone 2G and 3G (as well as iPod touch 1G and 2G) that's designed specifically for aging iOS devices. It's exactly like iOS, except it's optimized to run fast on old devices while also introducing many of the features old iPhone's can't get from the most recent iOS updates. Among other features, Whited00r supports:

Multitasking
Folders
Homescreen wallpaper
Batter percentages
MMS
Bluetooth and USB tethering
Tap-to-focus camera
Emoji
Video recording
Essentially Whited00r offers a ton of upgrades to old iOS devices without the serious slowdowns you'll experience if you try upgrading to iOS 4. (Which isn't even an option, depending on how old your device is.) Whited00r devices are also jailbroken out of the box, so you can also enjoy our favorite jailbreak hacks.

To install Whited00r on your device, just follow along with Whited00r's installation guide. When I installed Whited00r on my iPhone 3G, I had to follow the instructions in the "Solve installation errors" section, so if at first you don't succeed, troubleshoot! Be sure to check out the post-installation scripts if you want to squeeze even more performance from your device.

[hater]

well I had jailbroken my phone and downgraded and it was running great. (that's right apple fanboys. My phone was running great once I removed Apple supported OS)

but then the screen broke :( I think my phone is officially dead.

Hey I'm an unbiased person. While I will miss iphone and iOS and its niceties., I will never ever buy an Apple product ever again.

[leemajors]

Bummer. They sell screen kits on ebay pretty cheap if you feel confident doing it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

u know how to carrier unlocked?

[koriwhat]

well I had jailbroken my phone and downgraded and it was running great. (that's right apple fanboys. My phone was running great once I removed Apple supported OS)

but then the screen broke :( I think my phone is officially dead.

Hey I'm an unbiased person. While I will miss iphone and iOS and its niceties., I will never ever buy an Apple product ever again.

yeah, that's the way to show them up! buy their products, jailbreak them and claim you removed their OS... hahahaha! you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about but that's ok, keep on spewing your bs.

[hater]

yeah, that's the way to show them up! buy their products, jailbreak them and claim you removed their OS... hahahaha! you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about but that's ok, keep on spewing your bs.

moron. I meant I downgraded to an unsupported iOS.

iOS 3 and iOS 4 are 2 DIFFERENT Operating Systems :bang.

[ElNono]

Sorry to hear your hardware broke. I guess it's a great time to try something else.

I've been switching between Apple and Win for my desktop computer at home for years. There's nothing wrong with 'switching' and trying to find what you're more comfortable with at any given point in time. It's actually great there's more than one option out there, IMO.

[hater]

agree 100%

[MannyIsGod]

Sorry to hear your hardware broke. I guess it's a great time to try something else.

I've been switching between Apple and Win for my desktop computer at home for years. There's nothing wrong with 'switching' and trying to find what you're more comfortable with at any given point in time. It's actually great there's more than one option out there, IMO.

Indeed.

[koriwhat]

moron. I meant I downgraded to an unsupported iOS.

iOS 3 and iOS 4 are 2 DIFFERENT Operating Systems :bang.

yeah, i'm the moron because you have no idea how to properly convey what you're thinking in written/typed form?

iOS and Android are two different OS's, iOS3 and iOS4 are two different versions of the same OS. uh...

as for "Apple supported OS", i believe apple supports all their OS's even jailbroken, but once you jailbreak it, you just don't get the tech support to help with your pirated apps and such.

[koriwhat]

Sorry to hear your hardware broke. I guess it's a great time to try something else.

I've been switching between Apple and Win for my desktop computer at home for years. There's nothing wrong with 'switching' and trying to find what you're more comfortable with at any given point in time. It's actually great there's more than one option out there, IMO.

i totally agree even though i despise winOS no matter the version... after fuckin' around with protools on a win7 install, i really hate that shitty OS. i'd rather spend all day in linux fuckin' around with some opensource recording software than try my hand at protools on a winOS system again, that shit was a pain in the ass to get going, maybe my friends computer just flat out sucks.

[hater]

Apple denied injunction to stop Amazon's use of 'appstore' name; trial date set

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/07/apple-denied-in-app-store-lawsuit-vs-amazon-dot-com.html

:lol

[lefty]

WGAF :lmao


Apple still rules

[hater]

obviously Apple does

:lol trying to copyright "appstore" after the fact

[lefty]

Here is your chocolate sandwich:

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/analyst_iphone_4_top_selling_smartphone_at_att_ver izon/

Juste a taste:


Even Apple’s two year old iPhone 3GS is doing well. The analyst wrote, “Interestingly, our checks indicated continued strong demand for the iPhone 3GS at AT&T as this older generation product with a reduced price of $49 often outsold new Android products.”

:lmao

[hater]

:lmao AT&T

[lefty]

:lmao AT&T
Lol didnt read the whole article :rollin


Apple’s iPhone 4 remains the top selling smartphone “by far” at both AT&T and Verizon

[hater]

:lmao Verizon

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Hater is still bitter :lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

iOS 3 and iOS 4 are 2 DIFFERENT Operating Systems :bang.That's what I told you. Took you awhile but thanks for getting a clue.


PS. Stop doing dumb things with smart phones :toast

[Slydragon]

For better or worse, this says iPhone on sprint in October.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903327904576526690675657466.html

[ElNono]

Interesting... last carrier offering true unlimited data...

[Trainwreck2100]

won't be for long after the jailbreakers get ahold of it, so i hope it never happens

[MannyIsGod]

Rumors of the Iphone on Sprint have been going on forever. That being said, wimax or GTFO, IMO.

[lefty]

Dutch Court Rules for Apple, Bans Samsung Smartphones, Tablets




Article (http://ca.ibtimes.com/articles/203319/20110824/dutch-court-rules-for-apple-bans-samsung-smartphones-tablets.htm)







By James Lee Phillips | August 24, 2011 11:09 AM PDT
A Dutch court has ruled to ban the import and sale of certain Samsung (http://ca.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/347/samsung/) devices on the grounds that they infringe upon Apple's intellectual property.

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Dutch Court Bans Samsung Galaxy Phone Sales in Europe (http://ca.ibtimes.com/articles/203285/20110824/dutch-court-bans-sales-of-samsung-galaxy-smartphone-in-europe.htm)





A judge of the court in The Hague, Netherlands, ruled on Wednesday that Samsung (http://ca.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/347/samsung/)'s "tablet PCs with its Galaxy and Galaxy Tab Tab 10.1 and 10.1v and its smartphones Galaxy S, S II and Ace," (quote via Google translation) had violated three specific Apple patents -- a "method of scrolling / browsing gallery", a specific 'unlocking via image' method, and "recording a 'flag' in connection with multiple screen taps".
Of the latter, the order specifically notes that Android OS version 2.3 ("Gingerbread") is at issue, which could imply that any Android device imported and sold in The Netherlands could also be in jeopardy from future Apple litigation. The court specifically excluded this patent from applying to the Galaxy tablets listed.

More News
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A minor detail that many sources have seized upon is a film clip from Kubrick's iconic 1968 film "2001: A Space Odyssey" filed as evidence by Samsung. Characters in the film use a device that resembles the iPad (http://ca.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/401/ipad/) in various ways, and Samsung may have intended this to be legal evidence of "prior art" -- but more likely, Samsung may be making the point that devices with similar uses will share a certain amount of necessarily similar design features.
This ban is particularly significant due to the Netherlands' position as a point of import for Samsung's European distribution network. While this has led some sources to report the ruling as a 'Europe-wide ban', Florian Mueller of FOSSPatents has observed that the Dutch court's ruling "does not bind Samsung's Korean parent company -- only three different Samsung subsidiaries registered in the Netherlands -- with respect to other countries than the Netherlands."
"If Samsung's Korean parent company wants to exercise its freedom to ship into other European countries despite this injunction, it will have to reorganize its logistics chain in Europe accordingly,' Mueller writes.
The Netherlands was the sole European exception earlier in the month when a German court also declared a preliminary ban on Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales and imports. One week later, the ban was judged to be unenforceable for the remainder of Europe when the Dusseldorf court amended its ruling, having determined that its jurisdiction applied only within German borders.

[ElNono]

Rumors of the Iphone on Sprint have been going on forever. That being said, wimax or GTFO, IMO.

Wish WiMax would be available in my area.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Jobs just stepped down. I hope he's ok.

[DJ Mbenga]

man people on twitter are nuts. i know steve jobs is a nice man who has done some great things but people's reactions are pathetic.

[Slydragon]

I'm not really a apple fan but all the bad comments on Jobs is pretty bad as his health made him step down.

[jman3000]

Probably amateur stock holders venting.

[DMX7]

The stock is down 5%+ afterhours.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Wonder how Apple does after this. This company was on the verge of death before begging Jobs to save the company he started.

[jman3000]

They're on the verge of being the most valuable company on earth. They'll be fine. Short term stock hit. Perhaps a small prestige hit.

Ultimately Apple is driven by the products they release and at this point they could release a pile of shit with an audio jack and it would sell a few million units.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

They say the new guy or speculated new guy isn't a Products kinda guy. I'd hate for another American company to bite the dust. Especially now.

[jman3000]

They're on the verge of being the most valuable company on earth. They'll be fine. Short term stock hit. Perhaps a small prestige hit.

Ultimately Apple is driven by the products they release and at this point they could release a pile of shit with an audio jack and it would sell a few million units.


Although that's probably a bad thing. If they don't continue to release shiny objects that people think make them look cool then they could be in trouble.

Everything that goes up must come down and blah blah blah.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The stock is down 5%+ afterhours.
i wonder how it feels to be the person that caused it.

[DMX7]

i wonder how it feels to be the person that caused it.

It wasn't me.

[ElNono]

Wonder how Apple does after this. This company was on the verge of death before begging Jobs to save the company he started.

This time is a little different though. Last time they kicked him out after a power struggle. Now he's supposed to stick around on a lesser role. Still a big hit for the company.

[ElNono]

Ultimately Apple is driven by the products they release and at this point they could release a pile of shit with an audio jack and it would sell a few million units.

tbh, you can rag all you want about Apple, but what made Jobs special was that he was anal retentive when it came to quality of the products the company would put out. Which is exactly what differentiated him from CEOs that just want to hoard money (see Ballmer, Fiorina) without looking what they're putting out.

[jman3000]

I'm not ragging on Apple. They make great products. It's the people that buy them for no other reason but to have them as a status symbol. Do what you want with your money... but geez to see a guy buy an Ipad 2 who has no other use for it than angry birds is just annoying.

tbh I'd probably have purchased apple stock a few months ago if it wasn't so expensive per share. they've pretty much annihilated all estimates for like 12 quarters in a row... if not more. I'd rather play with smaller priced stocks that let me buy more shares for the flexibility of easing in and out of buys/sells.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not ragging on Apple. They make great products. It's the people that buy them for no other reason but to have them as a status symbol. Do what you want with your money... but geez to see a guy buy an Ipad 2 who has no other use for it than angry birds is just annoying.
Jobs' emphasis on making Apple products aesthetically pleasing is what has led to such a loyal customer base owning apple products as a status symbol as you just described. It's not like Apple lucked into being a company that was considered to have high end, flashy products. That was because of jobs.

One thing also about Jobs is that he knew how to adjust to the market. Apple released the iPhone in 2008 and now the iPhone is the backbone of Apple's sales every year. If Apple needs to develop another product whenever the next major shift in the electronics market occurs, will the new CEO be as great as Jobs was at predicting what that product needed to be?

[ElNono]

Dude is a constant game changer.

When the iPod first came out there were already other MP3 players, but along with iTunes and the music store, he sold the whole package and changed the way music was sold.

The first iPhone didn't even do half the stuff the Blackberries did, functionally speaking, but when they launched the app store and 3rd party development (for $100 for the dev kit, unheard of at the time), they changed the mobile landscape.

When the iPad came out, there were already other tablet PCs out there running windows, and a lot of people thought it was going to tank (you can probably find 1000 articles on "why tablets won't catch on" before the launch). Not only it caught on, every other company jumped on the wagon, and tablets have been eating at netbook and PC sales like nuts.

He's a ruthless asshole when it comes to the business side, but the way he affected technology is really non-arguable.

[Venti Quattro]

Steve Jobs made himself synonymous to the brand he represents and the products he sells. It's like when you think about AAPL, he always pops out in the memory of the consumer. When you buy an Apple product, you see his face or a memory information of him through that Apple product box. Same thing with the MSFT brand & products being synonymous with Bill Gates.

The next Chief Executive should be able to do this. If not, he's going to be a big failure -- a next Ballmer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dude is a constant game changer.

When the iPod first came out there were already other MP3 players, but along with iTunes and the music store, he sold the whole package and changed the way music was sold.

The first iPhone didn't even do half the stuff the Blackberries did, functionally speaking, but when they launched the app store and 3rd party development (for $100 for the dev kit, unheard of at the time), they changed the mobile landscape.

When the iPad came out, there were already other tablet PCs out there running windows, and a lot of people thought it was going to tank (you can probably find 1000 articles on "why tablets won't catch on" before the launch). Not only it caught on, every other company jumped on the wagon, and tablets have been eating at netbook and PC sales like nuts.

He's a ruthless asshole when it comes to the business side, but the way he affected technology is really non-arguable.
Jobs moreso than any other person is why desktop PCs are on the verge of obsolete. Businesses are the only reason why they're still needed.

[leemajors]

They say the new guy or speculated new guy isn't a Products kinda guy. I'd hate for another American company to bite the dust. Especially now.

Cook has filled in before, and will be taking over. I doubt Jobs would have stepped down if he wasn't fully confident in him.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

We shall see

[Fpoonsie]

won't be for long after the jailbreakers get ahold of it, so i hope it never happens

Damn. I was initially kinda stoked, but that's a great (albeit ultimately disheartening) point.

[z0sa]

Dude is a constant game changer.

When the iPod first came out there were already other MP3 players, but along with iTunes and the music store, he sold the whole package and changed the way music was sold.

The first iPhone didn't even do half the stuff the Blackberries did, functionally speaking, but when they launched the app store and 3rd party development (for $100 for the dev kit, unheard of at the time), they changed the mobile landscape.

When the iPad came out, there were already other tablet PCs out there running windows, and a lot of people thought it was going to tank (you can probably find 1000 articles on "why tablets won't catch on" before the launch). Not only it caught on, every other company jumped on the wagon, and tablets have been eating at netbook and PC sales like nuts.

He's a ruthless asshole when it comes to the business side, but the way he affected technology is really non-arguable.


I wouldn't be surprised at all if tablets overtook laptops completely. Laptops will never be easily upgradable in a cost efficient manner, or cheap, and with the increasing ease of touch and voice technology, laptops could appear clunky and overpriced in comparison to tablets to the average consumer. However, large niche markets would probably still exist, like students, for example.

OTOH, I don't see desktop PCs going anywhere. More people learn the ease and low cost of upgrading their desktop PCs every day. It will never have mobility but it will always be cheaper.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I don't know if tabs will ever overtake laptops. At least not in the next 5 or so years. Laptops have so many advantages compared to tabs. At least that's how I see them. For now, that is.

[ElNono]

I don't disagree. But tablets have definitely eaten up a good chunk of the netbook market (if not entirely) and some niches of the laptop/desktop market (like non-tech savvy mom/grandma having a cheap pc/laptop to surf, email, photos).

[z0sa]

I don't know if tabs will ever overtake laptops. At least not in the next 5 or so years. Laptops have so many advantages compared to tabs. At least that's how I see them. For now, that is.

I agree, but in 5 years time there should be a flood of older generation tablets for cheap (sort of like the HP one for $99 we are seeing/saw, but obviously one hopes they won't be unsupported).

Basically in a few years if you can buy an ipad2 or (whatever) for $129 but low end laptops are still $250+ I know which one I will be choosing, and I'm sure many will feel the same. Will it have the capabilities of a laptop? No, but I'm assuming here that the average joe will find it more than enough for his daily usage.

[DJ Mbenga]

I don't disagree. But tablets have definitely eaten up a good chunk of the netbook market (if not entirely) and some niches of the laptop/desktop market (like non-tech savvy mom/grandma having a cheap pc/laptop to surf, email, photos).

agree. 2 years ago people were predicting that it would be the netbook black friday, one at 99 bucks. that never happened and now netbooks are all but dead.

[Dex]

I don't disagree. But tablets have definitely eaten up a good chunk of the netbook market (if not entirely) and some niches of the laptop/desktop market (like non-tech savvy mom/grandma having a cheap pc/laptop to surf, email, photos).

This.

Tablets probably will never completely take over the industry, because there will always be power-users who require things only laptops can do. Until they can design tablets to provide these functions, laptops will still be out there.

That said, those power-users are probably a pretty small percentage of overall users, comparatively. Most people probably just use a laptop for browsing, email, word processing, and other basic functions. Most of this can be handled fine by tablets, and so that chunk of the market share will always be out there just waiting to switch, and that's why the whole tablet idea has just exploded.

[hater]

IMO most ppl will need both. Tablet is a light version to do light things. And notebook is a power version.

IMO that Asus transformer is a great idea, same thing with the MOtorola atrix phones. they have a real keyboard dock you can plug the devices in and it becomes a real laptop.

Now if they had that for Windows, I would be all over that. Hopefully they continue this merge towards a "convertible" tablet/laptop.

[hater]

I give respects to Steve Jobs. he really took the market to a new level.And he created a following of a new breed of lemmings in the world, those retards called "apple fanboys"

that being said. Fuck apple, this is the beggining of the end for that company.

[lefty]

I give respects to Steve Jobs. he really took the market to a new level.And he created a following of a new breed of lemmings in the world, those retards called "apple fanboys"

that being said. Fuck apple, this is the beggining of the end for that company.
No

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Way to go wishing an American company to go out of business :toast
And notice I said "an American company" and not Apple.

Idiot

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I guess you're still mad over your stupidity :lol

[MannyIsGod]

I don't disagree. But tablets have definitely eaten up a good chunk of the netbook market (if not entirely) and some niches of the laptop/desktop market (like non-tech savvy mom/grandma having a cheap pc/laptop to surf, email, photos).

Tablets have killed the netbook. I am carrying around my touchpad and my laptop though. I don't need my laptop everyday but I hate to not have it when I do need it. Even when I have it, I will be carrying the tablet because its MUCH more convenient.

[The_Worlds_finest]

I was anti apple, until i used my friends ipad, i bought one a week later. As for the rips on apple fan boys....how can you not when something like this exist?

http://cdn2.diggstatic.com/story/so_i_m_new_to_my_university_and_i_wanted_to_make_s ome_friends_pic/o.png

[Heath Ledger]

that hp netbook makes a good paper weight. its garbage next to my ipad two which is why i sold all 6 of the touchpads i got.

for the money though i guess its okay but if you have owned or used an ipad its painful to use that thing.

[lefty]

that hp netbook makes a good paper weight. its garbage next to my ipad two which is why i sold all 6 of the touchpads i got.

for the money though i guess its okay but if you have owned or used an ipad its painful to use that thing.
Amen

[MannyIsGod]

Can you get an ipad for 100 bucks?

[MannyIsGod]

No?

[lefty]

Of course not

It's not a POS

[MannyIsGod]

Well until you can get one for 99 you probably shouldn't compare them.

I can't imagine why anyone makes fun of Apple fan boys. No, really. I can't.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

for the money though i guess its okay but if you have owned or used an ipad its painful to use that thing.

smh

[lefty]

I can't imagine why anyone makes fun of Apple fan boys. No, really. I can't.
I agree

http://ninjawiththeorangetshirt.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/jobbbs.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

Well until you can get one for 99 you probably shouldn't compare them.

I can't imagine why anyone makes fun of Apple fan boys. No, really. I can't.

Your Camaro sucks. My Gallardo is so much better in every aspect.

[ElNono]

Can you get an ipad for 100 bucks?

You can get one for $400 (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad) (probably cheaper on eBay), and it's very likely to be more than 4x better.

Sometimes you have to pay a little more to get the best stuff out there.

[Dex]

AAPL +2.64% ($9.86) the day following.

[MannyIsGod]

You can get one for $400 (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad) (probably cheaper on eBay), and it's very likely to be more than 4x better.

Sometimes you have to pay a little more to get the best stuff out there.

see what ch posted.

[koriwhat]

I give respects to Steve Jobs. he really took the market to a new level.And he created a following of a new breed of lemmings in the world, those retards called "apple fanboys"

that being said. Fuck apple, this is the beggining of the end for that company.

so what kind of "fanboy" are you? i mean, considering how much you drool over winOS, i am guessing a microsoft fanboy?

[koriwhat]

Can you get an ipad for 100 bucks?

so defensive when it comes to your shitty hp touchpad even though you know for the price you still can't compare it to an ipad... wow! granted, i bought one too. hahahaha

[MannyIsGod]

not defensive at all. The touchpad is pretty bad overall. The ipad clearly a much better tablet and its the best and will remain the best until ics comes out. Its also really stupid to compare it to a tablet that costs a fourth of the price. Anyone who wants a 500 dollar tablet would not look at the tp.

if I'm in the market for a Mercedes I'm not going to compare it to a kia.

[koriwhat]

Its also really stupid to compare it to a tablet that costs a fourth of the price. Anyone who wants a 500 dollar tablet would not look at the tp.

funny thing you say considering HP was toutin' it as such...

[lefty]

Yep it was at 500$ or more when it came out :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

and that's why it did terrible? HP is just as dumb as apple fan boys.

[Cry Havoc]

so defensive

kw accusing someone else of being defensive. I lol'ed.

[Cry Havoc]

funny thing you say considering HP was toutin' it as such...

HP is a horrible manufacturer and anyone who's in the business of technology knows this. Aside from their printers which are decent in that they only have a fail rate no worse than all other printers for the most part (which is to say, unreliable as hell), HP is probably the worst major tech brand in terms of quality control, if not they are at the very bottom of the barrel.

What is equally unsurprising is that Apple fanboys are trumpeting the iPad over the HP tablet like it's some great victory. Seriously? This is what you want the iPad to compare itself to? The cheapest tablet on the market? :lol

[ElNono]

Not to mention that HP literally sold these at an absolute loss. IIRC, the BOM when it came out (which I'm pretty sure was the only production run they had) added up to $300+ for the cheapest version.

IMO, the comparison is valid because A) HP didn't roll it on the market at $100 and B) They definitely touted it as competition with other tablets (including the iPad and Xoom).

[MannyIsGod]

the comparison is invalid, el nono. Why do people buy the tp? Why do they buy the iPad? They're not the same reason. HP can do whatever they want and the tp isn't in the same class as the iPad. Does the tp sell without the price drop? Nope. Would the people who just bought them have bought iPods otherwise? Nope.

[ElNono]

the comparison is invalid, el nono. Why do people buy the tp? Why do they buy the iPad? They're not the same reason. HP can do whatever they want and the tp isn't in the same class as the iPad. Does the tp sell without the price drop? Nope. Would the people who just bought them have bought iPods otherwise? Nope.

Until HP decided to pull the plug on it, the reason was that it was competing with the iPad and Android tablets and the difference was night and day. Thus why nobody was buying it.

That HP decided to cut their losses and basically give away the tablet is great for consumers, but let's not pretend here that HP built a tablet not to compete in the tablet market.

That somebody didn't buy an iPad but bought a $100 TP at liquidation price doesn't mean that whoever paid $500 for the TP didn't choose between buying that or an iPad.

[ElNono]

It's like saying the TP hardware/software somehow changed when it was $500 and when it was $100. It didn't. If the comparisons were valid back when it was $500, then why would they be different now?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Yep it was at 500$ or more when it came out :lmao

Don't confuse them with facts or the concept of fire sales. They're rollin'.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It's like saying the TP hardware/software somehow changed when it was $500 and when it was $100. It didn't. If the comparisons were valid back when it was $500, then why would they be different now?

Quit confusing them. First it was price and now it's whats under the hood. Please wait while goal posts are moved. They need to regroup.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Oh and

for the money though i guess its okay but if you have owned or used an ipad its painful to use that thing.
smh

[MannyIsGod]

Until HP decided to pull the plug on it, the reason was that it was competing with the iPad and Android tablets and the difference was night and day. Thus why nobody was buying it.

That HP decided to cut their losses and basically give away the tablet is great for consumers, but let's not pretend here that HP built a tablet not to compete in the tablet market.

That somebody didn't buy an iPad but bought a $100 TP at liquidation price doesn't mean that whoever paid $500 for the TP didn't choose between buying that or an iPad.

who's arguing that? Disagree on last part.

[MannyIsGod]

Quit confusing them. First it was price and now it's whats under the hood. Please wait while goal posts are moved. They need to regroup.

who moved the goal posts?

[ElNono]

Why would HP build a tablet that cost them $300+ to put together if they planned to sell it for $100 all along? Why would they invest that kind of money if they weren't competing with the $500 tablets? :lol

Sorry Manny, I disagree that what was a valid comparison 2 weeks ago isn't valid now.

[MannyIsGod]

It's like saying the TP hardware/software somehow changed when it was $500 and when it was $100. It didn't. If the comparisons were valid back when it was $500, then why would they be different now?

huh? Its a good buy at 100. Ifs a bad buy at 500. When someone buys one at 100 its not because they think its better than the iPad. That's pretty much the whole point.