Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say

[poeticism707]

In fairness to me, despite being somewhat wrong, one of the biggest reasons I didn't like the trade was because of RJ. They did in fact trade him which then opened up opportunity.

No one saw Kawhi being as good as he is, and he is still rising.

Props to the Spurs FO, this is one of their legendary moves.

Unreal.

[Solid D]

Yep, they finally found their long 3 who plays D.

[Dancelot]

:lol best case: shawn marion

[FkLA]

I don't see why you have to be defensive about what someone says about me.

So if I comment I'm being defensive? Why are you getting defensive about me thinking you don't deserve props then ?


What if that player was Kevin Durant and that person just hadn't watched him play?

Would you look stupid for automatically agreeing with him?

That's a dumb and dishonest comparison.

[Gummi Clutch]

So if I comment I'm being defensive? Why are you getting defensive about me thinking you don't deserve props then ?



That's a dumb and dishonest comparison.
Ignore Cumpster, thats his shtick. Then he pretends he isn't a troll when people call him out.

Kool's basketball takes be more insightful than Cump's, so that's really saying something :lol

[Gummi Clutch]

Still can't believe we traded away Paul George!
He's a stupid chucker and is a less efficient player than Kiwi. If it was just George Hill for him, then yes...but we got a more valuable player now.

[ChumpDumper]

So if I comment I'm being defensive? Why are you getting defensive about me thinking you don't deserve props then ?You're being defensive when you're being defensive. Like now.




That's a dumb and dishonest comparison.It's honest and smart. You're afraid to answer because you don't want to admit you take the word of people who have no idea what they are posting about. It's OK. No need to get angry about it.

[FkLA]

There is something wrong with you tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, you're just being defensive.

[RD2191]

There is something wrong with you tbh.

:lol

[Gummi Clutch]

Cumpster copying and pasting the same shit to get his post count up.

You do realize that its about the quality of your posts, not the quantity right? :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, you are the one saying the same thing in multiple threads.

Trying to catch up? Stick to one screen name.

lol

[spurraider21]

How does this help the Spurs win now or rebuild
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1880173_o.gif

[TheGreatYacht]

KLMVP

[xellos88330]

I will admit, I was pretty worried when we traded Hill for Leonard because he didn't have a consistent jumper. Kawhi put in his work and I severely underestimated his work ethic. So happy to be soooo wrong.

[apalisoc_9]

BUmp

[313]

Bump lol

Edit: wizard

[ChumpDumper]

In fairness to me, despite being somewhat wrong

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/crazy-dog-looks-backwards-wtf-1365324319l.gif

[Johnny RIngo]

Hill's a nice guy but Leonard's on another level. He's basically the SF the Spurs have always been looking for. Great defender, great rebounder, long, athletic, 3 point-shot, fantastic transition game. All those years of suffering through Finley, Udoka, Jefferson is worth it with Kawhi on the team now.

[cjw]

Pacers just got ripped off
First to call it


Who did the Spurs get? The big hands guy?
Loved the whole team holding up the hand during the MVP presentation. Has there ever been a team like this in pro sports that's enjoyed the moment so much like kids?


lorbek should be a steal
So much for that

[NickiRasgo]

Greatest. Trade. Ever.

I still remembered I'm having doubt with Kawhi but at the same time I'm high on him.

[100%duncan]

The trade that made this all possible. :cry

[poop]

Young ron artest? Bowen Jr? :lmao

Nah..more like a Scottie Pippen...and a Finals MVP.. hahhjahaha eat a dick :lmao

[KaiRMD1]

Amazing how that trade ended up. How is George Hill doing on the Pacers anyhow?

[DPG21920]

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/crazy-dog-looks-backwards-wtf-1365324319l.gif

Charge it to da game.

[spurs1990]

Geez I look like a maroon.

I will bow at the altar of Kawhi for eternity to make up for my transgression.

[Mel_13]

Q: Wait, the Spurs won three lotteries? Didn’t they win only two?

Technically, yes — they won in 1987 (Robinson) and 1997 (Duncan). But considering that George Hill morphed into a third guard during this year’s playoffs, I’m counting 2011’s Leonard-Hill trade as San Antonio’s third lottery win. Grantland’s Zach Lowe wrote wonderfully about that trade last year, but the odds of Leonard falling to no. 15 in 2011 — making that trade possible — had to be lower than San Antonio winning the 1987/1997 lotteries. Consider …

• Chad Ford ranked Leonard as 2011’s sixth-best prospect and had Detroit taking him at no. 8 in his final 2011 mock draft. John Hollinger’s Draft Rater pegged Leonard as the draft’s fifth-best prospect and guaranteed that he’d become a “solid” rotation player at worst.

• The following players were picked ahead of Leonard: Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo, Jimmer Fredette, Alec Burks and both Morris twins. Of that group, my favorite miss is Vesely — and not just because it was immediately revealed that he was horrible at basketball. During Kawhi’s rookie season, Washington used Rashard Lewis, Maurice Evans, Cartier Martin and Chris Singleton as their small forwards.

• After Utah took Burks at no. 12, I wrote in my Draft Diary, “How has Kawhi Leonard not been taken yet? What am I missing?”4

• Indiana took Leonard 15th. You know who had the 14th pick? Dork Elvis! That’s right, the darling of the advanced-metrics and common-sense communities took the Poor Man’s Morris Twin one pick ahead of Kawhi Freaking Leonard. Cancel the Sloan Conference right now! Just cancel it!

• After both Morris twins went, I wrote in my Draft Diary, “San Diego’s Kawhi Leonard is officially our ‘how the hell did he slide to the middle of the draft’ guy, which doesn’t happen every year, but when it happens (Danny Granger, Ty Lawson, Roy Hibbert), you know as it’s happening. He should have been a lottery pick. That guy is a natural NBA small forward.”

• And if that’s not enough, the Pacers could have kept Kawhi and teamed him up with Paul George … which, in retrospect, they definitely would have done had they known that they would have been trotting out the NBA’s most frightening defense/young legs/above-the-rim perimeter combination since Jordan and Pippen. Can you imagine?

To recap: The Spurs needed Michael Jordan, Dork Elvis AND the Basketball Jesus to blow the Kawhi thing, along with everything else that happened. They NEVER should have gotten Kawhi. That’s Lottery Win No. 3.

http://grantland.com/features/24-lingering-questions-from-the-nba-finals/

[Jimcs50]

Don't know why they took Leonard over Singleton. Anyone have any idea?


Because Leonard will be future Finals MVP

[Budkin]

I can't believe we traded Paul George...

[Chinook]

Loved the trade because I was desperate for the Spurs to do SOMETHING that draft. Had it been Parker for Valanciunas and some PG, I would have been happy. Glad it worked out the way it did, though.

[spursparker9]

Q: Wait, the Spurs won three lotteries? Didn’t they win only two?

Technically, yes — they won in 1987 (Robinson) and 1997 (Duncan). But considering that George Hill morphed into a third guard during this year’s playoffs, I’m counting 2011’s Leonard-Hill trade as San Antonio’s third lottery win. Grantland’s Zach Lowe wrote wonderfully about that trade last year, but the odds of Leonard falling to no. 15 in 2011 — making that trade possible — had to be lower than San Antonio winning the 1987/1997 lotteries. Consider …

• Chad Ford ranked Leonard as 2011’s sixth-best prospect and had Detroit taking him at no. 8 in his final 2011 mock draft. John Hollinger’s Draft Rater pegged Leonard as the draft’s fifth-best prospect and guaranteed that he’d become a “solid” rotation player at worst.

• The following players were picked ahead of Leonard: Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo, Jimmer Fredette, Alec Burks and both Morris twins. Of that group, my favorite miss is Vesely — and not just because it was immediately revealed that he was horrible at basketball. During Kawhi’s rookie season, Washington used Rashard Lewis, Maurice Evans, Cartier Martin and Chris Singleton as their small forwards.

• After Utah took Burks at no. 12, I wrote in my Draft Diary, “How has Kawhi Leonard not been taken yet? What am I missing?”4

• Indiana took Leonard 15th. You know who had the 14th pick? Dork Elvis! That’s right, the darling of the advanced-metrics and common-sense communities took the Poor Man’s Morris Twin one pick ahead of Kawhi Freaking Leonard. Cancel the Sloan Conference right now! Just cancel it!

• After both Morris twins went, I wrote in my Draft Diary, “San Diego’s Kawhi Leonard is officially our ‘how the hell did he slide to the middle of the draft’ guy, which doesn’t happen every year, but when it happens (Danny Granger, Ty Lawson, Roy Hibbert), you know as it’s happening. He should have been a lottery pick. That guy is a natural NBA small forward.”

• And if that’s not enough, the Pacers could have kept Kawhi and teamed him up with Paul George … which, in retrospect, they definitely would have done had they known that they would have been trotting out the NBA’s most frightening defense/young legs/above-the-rim perimeter combination since Jordan and Pippen. Can you imagine?

To recap: The Spurs needed Michael Jordan, Dork Elvis AND the Basketball Jesus to blow the Kawhi thing, along with everything else that happened. They NEVER should have gotten Kawhi. That’s Lottery Win No. 3.

http://grantland.com/features/24-lingering-questions-from-the-nba-finals/


I thought it was the Spurs that told Indiana to draft Kawhi.

If left on their own, Indiana may not have drafted Kawhi also.

[Chinook]

I thought it was the Spurs that told Indiana to draft Kawhi.

If left on their own, Indiana may not have drafted Kawhi also.

No, the Pacers like Leonard as well. They were thinking about reneging and keeping Kawhi as they had done the previous year with George, but they couldn't justify adding a fifth wing over a potential starting PG.

[Aztecfan03]

Hoops Czar was so butt-hurt over this trade.

[noob cake]

First to call it


Loved the whole team holding up the hand during the MVP presentation. Has there ever been a team like this in pro sports that's enjoyed the moment so much like kids?


So much for that

Praise the prophet. I didn't know Leonard would be this good. I just knew Hill was garbage and only looked good because of Pops' season.

Let us be honest, Leonard is not FMVP level player. He is a borderline all-star.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

What a horrible trade. An unproven talent who can't shoot for a proven guy who's like 23 and makes next to nothing.

:lmao

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Would take Hill over Parker right now tbh.

The fail is strong with this post :lol :lmao :rollin

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I would give up de Colo, Mills and Neal to get George back.

:lmao

[jARS mEsH sEt]

A contradiction right there. Leonard isn't going to supply instant stability at the small forward position. Hell, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season. They traded away a starting SG, who even with his ups and downs, was the one and only valuable trade chip the Spurs had at their disposal who could have brought in proven talent. They pissed it all away on a future maybe, a future shawn Marion :lmao best case scenario. Shawn Marion BLOWS!!!

Good take.

[Mel_13]

Good take.

Yeah, proclaiming that Leonard's ceiling was Marion wasn't one of his better prognostications. Still, better than the guys that said the Spurs screwed up by drafting Leonard over Singleton.

[Mel_13]

How do you know Hill won't turn into a star in Indiana. He no longer will be playing in the shadows of parker and Manu and will flourish in Indiana. He will be a boderline all star there with lots of opportunity to play.

His confidence level will increase with the added playing time and they probably will mainly play him at the 2, his more natural position. There have been times when hill showed how good he can be with the Spurs but those times were far and few between. It was a confidence issue with him playing in a backup role. That won't happen in Indiana.

He will have a better year than Leonard. the trade is not bad for the spurs because Leonard fills a needed role and the spurs had a logjam at the 2 and Hill should not have been logging many minutes at pg anyways but Hill will outperform Leonard.

Its a trade that will help both teams. But

The Spurs should have dealt manu for an impact borderline star big and moved Hill over to the 2. That would have been the best for the team.

Because as it stands now the Spurs still have the same core team that has been regressing in the playoffs, that will likely just add an over the hill type of player on the frontline who won't be enough of a difference maker.

So much fail.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Yeah, proclaiming that Leonard's ceiling was Marion wasn't one of his better prognostications. Still, better than the guys that said the Spurs screwed up by drafting Leonard over Singleton.

There's that but I was more making fun of the first part. Like, he could not have been possibly more wrong if he tried:


Hell, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season.

[Mel_13]

There's that but I was more making fun of the first part. Like, he could not have been possibly more wrong if he tried:

:lol

[The Reckoning]

Physicals Positions Rankings Salary Misc
H: 6' 7"
W: 225 lbs
Bday: 06/29/1991
(19 Years Old)
Current: SF
NBA: SF
Possible: SF
Round: 1 Pick: 14 in 2011 Mock Draft
Rank 10 in Top 100 Prospects
Rank 5 in NCAA Sophomores
Rank 1 in 2011 Wings
RSCI: 48
Agent: Brian Elfus
DRAFT ELIGIBLE
High School: King High
Hometown: Riverside, Calif
Best Case: Shawn Marion
Worst Case: Luc Richard Mbah A Moute

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/#ixzz1Q9SR48Td
http://www.draftexpress.com


lol scouts

[Cry Havoc]

I don't get the Marion hate in this thread. Sure he was never finals mvp worthy, but he was a damn good player and very multi-tool in his own right. Fantastic defender and rebounder and just never really developed the ability to create his own shot. I mean FFS he had a season of 22 and 12 with 2 steals and 2 blocks per game.

That said, Leonard is a phenom. I can't WAIT to see our first game against OKC next year. After what Durant said, Leonard is gonna feast on dat dude.

[benefactor]

Leonard isn't going to supply instant stability at the small forward position. Hell, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season.
Sir, you are dumb as shit.

[Mugen]

Sir, you are dumb as shit.

Hoops Czar has managed to slide under the radar for a while now but he's easily one of the faggiest/dumbest posters that venture upstairs tbh.

[benefactor]

Hoops Czar has managed to slide under the radar for a while now but he's easily one of the faggiest/dumbest posters that venture upstairs tbh.
Harlem has been calling him out for a while now about some of the bullshit he's been saying. It's all coming light now though.:lol

[DPG21920]

Well, I didn't think Kawhi would play a lot either with RJ and that contract around. It's also rare that rookies contribute on actual championship teams. But the Spurs did the unthinkable and somehow found a taker for RJ and that opened up everything for Kawhi. It was part of the reason I didn't see why the trade was made initially but obviously I didn't think Kawhi would blossom so much, so soon.

[ohmwrecker]

:lmao

Not that funny at the time. Nobody knew Patty would take such a leap forward the next year. He barely played when I posted that. He was still team towel waver.

[King]

That's a matter of debate. At least Chalmers can drain his open 3s and do it in a pressure packed game. .

:toast

[Aztecfan03]

Yeah, proclaiming that Leonard's ceiling was Marion wasn't one of his better prognostications. Still, better than the guys that said the Spurs screwed up by drafting Leonard over Singleton.

He got the Marion comparison from draft sites that said it was Leonard's best case. If you look back at this thread, Hoops Czar failed worse than anyone else in here.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

:toast

Funny you didn't quote this last year in Game 6 :toast

[apalisoc_9]

bump

[Aztecfan03]

I don't get the Marion hate in this thread. Sure he was never finals mvp worthy, but he was a damn good player and very multi-tool in his own right. Fantastic defender and rebounder and just never really developed the ability to create his own shot. I mean FFS he had a season of 22 and 12 with 2 steals and 2 blocks per game.

That said, Leonard is a phenom. I can't WAIT to see our first game against OKC next year. After what Durant said, Leonard is gonna feast on dat dude.

Ummmm. In this thread, you said Shawn Marion blows.

[ElNono]

A contradiction right there. Leonard isn't going to supply instant stability at the small forward position. Hell, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season. They traded away a starting SG, who even with his ups and downs, was the one and only valuable trade chip the Spurs had at their disposal who could have brought in proven talent. They pissed it all away on a future maybe, a future shawn Marion :lmao best case scenario. Shawn Marion BLOWS!!!

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

Hell, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons.

:lmao

[ElNono]

Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!

:lol

[ElNono]

How does this help the Spurs win now or rebuild


I get what your saying and I understand the logic behind the move. I'm breaking it down like this: spurs aren't any closer to truly contending because of the move. They didn't do any thing to help usher in a rebuild either.

:wow :lol

[ElNono]

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.

:lol

[ElNono]

I was all in on Hill and Blair for Love.


You're just trolling, right?

:lmao

[ElNono]

He's only incredibly bargain if he plays and contributes on a regular basis. If he's riding the pine, he's useless. I'm not one for collecting bigs just for the sake of having bigs on the roster. For a player averaging 1.7 minutes/game, that's about right. He's still got a lot to prove and as far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on him.

Not sure why you included Bargnani. He's at level Splitter can't touch.

:lol

[hater]

:lol

[manufan10]

:lol Hoops Czar with the bads per par.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol
:lol
:lmao

[Sean Cagney]

:lol Hoops Czar with the bads per par.

This guy never says anything positive about the Spurs at all, it's always downing the team or a player TBH. He claims he has given them credit but I don't remember! You would swear they are the worst team in sports if you go by his takes.

[Brazil]

Going through the thread, most had solid view and takes on the move in particular, Many, Kori and others tbh

went through nonostradamus post, nothing close to takes about Spurs doing a desperate move tho

[Brazil]

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
Liked Spurs trade. George Hill too inconsistent, underconfident. KLeonard a steal at 15. Blue-collar toughness will help. Nice little move.

:lol dat Bayless take

It appears it is probably the biggest Spurs move since they drafted Tim

[ElNono]

I didn't go through the whole thing, I probably had some hits and misses too, tbh. I did call it a gamble and mentioned the Spurs would have to eventually get better through trades, which they did (RJ for Jack, which was crucial alongside bringing in Boris).

8/10

[ElNono]

In hindsight it was a huge move for a franchise that rarely did much in the top spots in the draft due largely to it's success... desperate times called for desperate measures, tbh...

I still can't talk shit about George Hill, tbh... he always was a standup guy with us, even if he was limited.

[Brazil]

I didn't go through the whole thing, I probably had some hits and misses too, tbh. I did call it a gamble and mentioned the Spurs would have to eventually get better through trades, which they did (RJ for Jack, which was crucial alongside bringing in Boris).

8/10

more hits than misses tbh
you got some good nonostradamus going on dat thread

but yep no sign of Spurs doing anything close to desperate

[ElNono]

Disagree. I think this move had desperation written all over it... it was clear at this point RJ was a cancer and the team leader at the time lost faith in winning another championship...

That said, don't think the FO gets enough credit for basically turning around the roster in a matter of a season or two. Obviously, some long-term things fell in place too (Splitter), but GOAT stuff, tbh

[RD2191]

Unless the Spurs move RJ, this guy likely won't have a chance to do anything
Hill was a very good rotation player. I'm not against trading Hill, but why for this?
:wakeup

[Brazil]

Disagree. I think this move had desperation written all over it... it was clear at this point RJ was a cancer and the team leader at the time lost faith in winning another championship...

That said, don't think the FO gets enough credit for basically turning around the roster in a matter of a season or two. Obviously, some long-term things fell in place too (Splitter), but GOAT stuff, tbh

don't forget Duncan playing better today than 5 years ago :lol

[Mel_13]

Disagree. I think this move had desperation written all over it... it was clear at this point RJ was a cancer and the team leader at the time lost faith in winning another championship...

That said, don't think the FO gets enough credit for basically turning around the roster in a matter of a season or two. Obviously, some long-term things fell in place too (Splitter), but GOAT stuff, tbh

In less than two years, from the end of the 2010 playoffs until March of 2012, the Spurs added Splitter, Green, Leonard, Diaw, and Mills. The only real asset they surrendered was Hill. They also traded RJ and the 30th pick in the 2012 draft for Jack and more than 10 million dollars in salary savings.

[DPG21920]

:wakeup

So basically the unthinkable happened and the Spurs moved RJ. When RJ was still a Spur, he was starting and Kawhi was glued to the bench. Then he was moved and that opened up time. That was one of my biggest beefs with the original trade (RJ still being here) as I've mentioned 100 times :lol

[Mugen]

crofl Hoopz Czar

[Mel_13]

So basically the unthinkable happened and the Spurs moved RJ. When RJ was still a Spur, he was starting and Kawhi was glued to the bench. Then he was moved and that opened up time. That was one of my biggest beefs with the original trade (RJ still being here) as I've mentioned 100 times :lol

Except that it wasn't unthinkable and that Kawhi was not glued to the bench before the trade.

[cjw]

In less than two years, from the end of the 2010 playoffs until March of 2012, the Spurs added Splitter, Green, Leonard, Diaw, and Mills. The only real asset they surrendered was Hill. They also traded RJ and the 30th pick in the 2012 draft for Jack and more than 10 million dollars in salary savings.

Splitter probably had been in their plans longer (can't believe he's almost 30) but couldn't pry him away from Europe yet. Still pretty amazing, not to mention finding two other productive rotation guys for the league minimum in Neal and Blair, no matter what their faults were.

[DPG21920]

Except that it wasn't unthinkable and that Kawhi was not glued to the bench before the trade.

:lol Ok. Are you trying to be literal in saying it was "unthinkable" or are you really trying to imply it was likely the Spurs would be able to move that contract/find a taker for RJ?

[DPG21920]

Also, IIRC, while RJ was with the team, I believe he started every single game and played close to 30MPG. I believe Kawhi was hovering around 20MPG until the trade..

[Mel_13]

:lol Ok. Are you trying to be literal in saying it was "unthinkable" or are you really trying to imply it was likely the Spurs would be able to move that contract/find a taker for RJ?

You make it sound like getting rid of RJ was a long shot.

They were ready to amnesty RJ before Kawhi's rookie season, but couldn't sign a reasonable alternative for the MLE.

Kawhi was not glued to the bench with RJ on the team. He was in the rotation from the first game of his rookie season. With Kawhi proving himself to be ready for the NBA, RJ would not have been back for the 2012-13 season, either through trade or amnesty. As it was, the opportunity to him offload him earlier presented itself and the Spurs jumped on it, but your contention that Kawhi was glued to the bench just doesn't stand up to a fact check.

[Mel_13]

Also, IIRC, while RJ was with the team, I believe he started every single game and played close to 30MPG. I believe Kawhi was hovering around 20MPG until the trade..

RJ was the starter, but you're wrong about Kawhi's minutes.

[RD2191]

Let's keep this clean. No bellow the belt. No 3 knockdown rule. Bell can't save you.

[benefactor]

In less than two years, from the end of the 2010 playoffs until March of 2012, the Spurs added Splitter, Green, Leonard, Diaw, and Mills. The only real asset they surrendered was Hill. They also traded RJ and the 30th pick in the 2012 draft for Jack and more than 10 million dollars in salary savings.
:tu

[DPG21920]

RJ was the starter, but you're wrong about Kawhi's minutes.

How many minutes was Kawhi playing per game pre-RJ trade.

[DPG21920]

You make it sound like getting rid of RJ was a long shot.

They were ready to amnesty RJ before Kawhi's rookie season, but couldn't sign a reasonable alternative for the MLE.

Kawhi was not glued to the bench with RJ on the team. He was in the rotation from the first game of his rookie season. With Kawhi proving himself to be ready for the NBA, RJ would not have been back for the 2012-13 season, either through trade or amnesty. As it was, the opportunity to him offload him earlier presented itself and the Spurs jumped on it, but your contention that Kawhi was glued to the bench just doesn't stand up to a fact check.

Getting rid of RJ was absolutely an long-shot. Spurs had not shown the willingness to amnesty anyone for any reason and were the only team not to use their amnesty, no? RJ's contract was terrible and just because one stupid team made a stupid trade, doesn't mean it was at all likely. When that contract was signed, the vast majority of people here and pundits knew it was a VERY difficult contract to move.

[Mel_13]

How many minutes was Kawhi playing per game pre-RJ trade.

40 games pre-trade: 23.4 mpg

24 games post-trade: 25.0 mpg

Jack basically took RJ minutes while Kawhi permanently moved in the starting line-up, but Kawhi was part of a 4-man wing rotation from Game 1.

[DPG21920]

40 games pre-trade: 23.4 mpg

24 games post-trade: 25.0 mpg

Jack basically took RJ minutes while Kawhi permanently moved in the starting line-up, but Kawhi was part of a 4-man wing rotation from Game 1.

Well, that is more minutes than I remembered. I thought he was closer to 20MPG pre-trade. Despite that, I contended that RJ would be the starter and play big minutes which would limit the impact of the trade. Many argued that RJ wouldn't play and he started 41 of 41 games and played close the team lead in minutes. But yes, Kawhi playing 23MPG isn't glued to the bench.

[Mel_13]

Getting rid of RJ was absolutely an long-shot. Spurs had not shown the willingness to amnesty anyone for any reason and were the only team not to use their amnesty, no?

Your opinion. The amnesty reports before the 2011-12 were quite believable, imo.

[MI21]

crofl Hoopz Czar

crofl

[Mel_13]

Well, that is more minutes than I remembered. I thought he was closer to 20MPG pre-trade. Despite that, I contended that RJ would be the starter and play big minutes which would limit the impact of the trade. Many argued that RJ wouldn't play and he started 41 of 41 games and played close the team lead in minutes. But yes, Kawhi playing 23MPG isn't glued to the bench.

:bobo

One other thing. RJ's minutes were declining before the trade.

22 games in Dec/Jan: 31.0 mpg
19 games in Feb/Mar: 25.5 mpg

Jack came in and played 23.8 mpg.

[Aztecfan03]

So basically the unthinkable happened and the Spurs moved RJ. When RJ was still a Spur, he was starting and Kawhi was glued to the bench. Then he was moved and that opened up time. That was one of my biggest beefs with the original trade (RJ still being here) as I've mentioned 100 times :lol

Out of the 41 games while RJ was here, kawhi played in 40. And in those games he averaged over 23 mpg and about a half minute under his season average. I would hardly call that glued to the bench.

[DPG21920]

Out of the 41 games while RJ was here, kawhi played in 40. And in those games he averaged over 23 mpg. I would hardly call that glued to the bench.

Did you hear we landed on the moon?

[Malik Hairston]

Hoops Czar has managed to slide under the radar for a while now but he's easily one of the faggiest/dumbest posters that venture upstairs tbh.

:lmao, tbh..

[apalisoc_9]

Hoops czar

:lmao

[lefty]

A 6'7" power forward? I'm not a huge Hill fan by any stretch and the Spurs are pretty loaded at the backup 2, but do the Spurs need another undersized power forward? CROFL Hill homers at least though.
I guess

[baseline bum]

I guess

lefty coming hard with his vest and cellphone

[100%duncan]

He can't spread the floor aka Sp:lolrs=F:lolcked

lol faggot

[baseline bum]

The biggest factor is that Leonard has the potential to be the best perimeter defender we've had since Bowen. Of course not on Bowen level (remains to be seen if he can elevate it that high) but defending and rebounding is his skillset.

Young Ron Artest maybe but without the drama.

Nice :tu

[baseline bum]

lol faggot

To be fair, Leonard was a horrible shooter in college. No one knew he'd develop a jumper during the lockout.

[apalisoc_9]

Nice :tu

Danny Green and Leonard > Bowen Defensively..

You can check my posts back in 07-08 and i was the biggest Bowen fan...

[SpursFan86]

We traded a promising young PG who could replace Tony for an injury-prone monkeyballer stuck in the early-2000s still wearing cornrows.

I'll never forgive our FO for this.

[Hoops Czar]

A contradiction right there. Leonard isn't going to supply instant stability at the small forward position. Hell, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season. They traded away a starting SG, who even with his ups and downs, was the one and only valuable trade chip the Spurs had at their disposal who could have brought in proven talent. They pissed it all away on a future maybe, a future shawn Marion :lmao best case scenario. Shawn Marion BLOWS!!!


:lol

:lmao


Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!


:lol

:lol


He's only incredibly bargain if he plays and contributes on a regular basis. If he's riding the pine, he's useless. I'm not one for collecting bigs just for the sake of having bigs on the roster. For a player averaging 1.7 minutes/game, that's about right. He's still got a lot to prove and as far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on him.

Not sure why you included Bargnani. He's at level Splitter can't touch.


:lol

;)


Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.


:lmao

:flipoff Overkill!!!


I was all in on Hill and Blair for Love.


You're just trolling, right?


:lol

:lmao OK, now it's funny again!!!! :lmao

[100%duncan]

Lol noobs czar ffaggottttt

[apalisoc_9]

Hoops czar

:lol

[dabom]

Hoops is faggot with the bads tbh. His takes are worse than hater. Dude doesnt know basketball.

[Nathan89]

Pacers giving us a top 5 player in the league for George Hill:lol

[$pursDynasty]

the thread that will never die, with Kiwi's ascendance, this has a chance to keep getting bumped for years, the oldest active thread is Spurs talk. I can't think of one that has a chance to live longer, man I thought that TSpense Pau thread would not die but this thread has years on that one.

[vander]

wow I had forgotten that the Spurs didn't even give up the 29 pick and also got Bertans. there must have been some off the record dealings.

also, however much Chip Engelland makes, it isn't enough

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Larry Bird got Executive of the year for 2011/12 :lol

[cd98]

Hard to blame Larry. Even the Spurs didn't know Leonard would be this good. They just knew that they needed a small forward, and he was the best one that they could trade for in that draft. They just struck gold, kind of like drafting a no name kid in the second round named Ginobili. No one had any idea what he would become. TBH, too many people here hate on Parker; he was a steal as a late first round draft pick. I'm sure the Pacers are kicking themselves for trading Leonard, but they were thinking they had their small forward of the future and they needed a PG. Hence, the trade.

[Seventyniner]

Hard to blame Larry. Even the Spurs didn't know Leonard would be this good. They just knew that they needed a small forward, and he was the best one that they could trade for in that draft. They just struck gold, kind of like drafting a no name kid in the second round named Ginobili. No one had any idea what he would become. TBH, too many people here hate on Parker; he was a steal as a late first round draft pick. I'm sure the Pacers are kicking themselves for trading Leonard, but they were thinking they had their small forward of the future and they needed a PG. Hence, the trade.

The Pacers ostensibly didn't want Leonard because of Paul George's breakout. As said before, it's a lite version of the Blazers passing over Jordan because they already had Drexler. The comparison becomes more appropriate the better Leonard gets, especially vis a vis George.

[szkorhetz]

Hard to blame Larry. Even the Spurs didn't know Leonard would be this good. They just knew that they needed a small forward, and he was the best one that they could trade for in that draft. They just struck gold, kind of like drafting a no name kid in the second round named Ginobili. No one had any idea what he would become. TBH, too many people here hate on Parker; he was a steal as a late first round draft pick. I'm sure the Pacers are kicking themselves for trading Leonard, but they were thinking they had their small forward of the future and they needed a PG. Hence, the trade.
Wasn't there stories about that Leonard was only fifth or sixth even in the Spurs desired draft board?

[8FOR!3]

lol I remember this thread. I was pissed bc we passed on Chris Singleton. I thought he was the next Ron Artest and would be the best defender in the draft. Obviously I was so wrong, I didn't even know who Kawhi Leonard was at the time :lol

[Agloco]

Physicals Positions Rankings Salary Misc
H: 6' 7"
W: 225 lbs
Bday: 06/29/1991
(19 Years Old)
Current: SF
NBA: SF
Possible: SF
Round: 1 Pick: 14 in 2011 Mock Draft
Rank 10 in Top 100 Prospects
Rank 5 in NCAA Sophomores
Rank 1 in 2011 Wings
RSCI: 48
Agent: Brian Elfus
DRAFT ELIGIBLE
High School: King High
Hometown: Riverside, Calif
Best Case: Shawn Marion
Worst Case: Luc Richard Mbah A Moute

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/#ixzz1Q9SR48Td
http://www.draftexpress.com

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[Brazil]

:tu

Unless yall are ready to rebuild, why in the world are Spur fans celebrating this? Even if this nigga developes into a stud it wont be an immediate thing, and Manu & Tim dont necessarily have enough time left to wait for that.

If youre ready to rebuild then continue your celebration. Although honestly trading a 23 yr old talented player doesnt make much sense either.

:lol apparently not all the krew was right before everybody tbh

BTW I did not see dabom or apa takes on Kawhi's potential on this thread tbh

[cd98]

Wasn't there stories about that Leonard was only fifth or sixth even in the Spurs desired draft board?

It's possible they wanted Williams or the Morris twins as those were the only small forwards to go before Kawhi. The big question for Kawhi is whether he would be able to consistently shoot in the upper .30s from 3 point range. I'm sure the teams that were ahead of the Spurs weren't so sure he could do it. The Spurs, however, desperately needed a small forward that could defend, and they knew Kawhi could at least do that. We happened to have two good point guards, Parker and Hill. Indiana, on the other hand, had Paul George and no point guard. Hill had looked good that year and in the playoffs, and as a known commodity that was young, the Spurs were able to get more for him than just Kawhi. Most people said that draft was a terrible draft from the outset. Kawhi proved to be a major exception to that rule.

[cjw]

It's possible they wanted Williams or the Morris twins as those were the only small forwards to go before Kawhi. The big question for Kawhi is whether he would be able to consistently shoot in the upper .30s from 3 point range. I'm sure the teams that were ahead of the Spurs weren't so sure he could do it. The Spurs, however, desperately needed a small forward that could defend, and they knew Kawhi could at least do that. We happened to have two good point guards, Parker and Hill. Indiana, on the other hand, had Paul George and no point guard. Hill had looked good that year and in the playoffs, and as a known commodity that was young, the Spurs were able to get more for him than just Kawhi. Most people said that draft was a terrible draft from the outset. Kawhi proved to be a major exception to that rule.

Hill has really lifted his game this year despite much higher usage (previous high was 18.6, now up to 23.3). Nice to see him playing well. They got back a nice piece in the deal after all, except took him a few years. Meanwhile, Kawhi would be no worse than the #2 pick in a redraft behind Kyrie and that could eventually flip.

[FkLA]

:lol apparently not all the krew was right before everybody tbh

BTW I did not see dabom or apa takes on Kawhi's potential on this thread tbh

The post you quoted doesn't even talk about Kawhi's potential. I was more worried about Timmy/Manu not having enough time left to allow Kawhi to develop. Kawhi was only 19 and extremely raw--couldn't shoot or dribble much. I think it speaks volumes about the type of gym rat he is so if anything I'm guilty of underestimating his work ethic. He's made huge strides in four short years.

I was sold after that first season. Wouldn't trade him back for five GHills tbh.

[Silver&Black]

lol I remember this thread. I was pissed bc we passed on Chris Singleton. I thought he was the next Ron Artest and would be the best defender in the draft. Obviously I was so wrong, I didn't even know who Kawhi Leonard was at the time :lol

And you know what man....it's totally fine. I didn't know who Kawhi Leonard was either. Needless to say, I didn't watch much San Diego State basketball.

What kills me though is these people who are only in it to say "See guys...I told you so" and "Look at me...I was right all along".

[FkLA]

What kills me though is these people who are only in it to say "See guys...I told you so" and "Look at me...I was right all along".

Yep. Even if someone followed SDSU closely, Kawhi was so raw offensively that it would've been extremely hard to guess his ceiling. He's averaging more PPG this season with the Spurs than he ever did in college. If anybody predicted this back then it was probably more a case of being a homer than anything else tbh. :lol

[pgardn]

And you know what man....it's totally fine. I didn't know who Kawhi Leonard was either. Needless to say, I didn't watch much San Diego State basketball.

What kills me though is these people who are only in it to say "See guys...I told you so" and "Look at me...I was right all along".

No one knew we would get what is now on our team, no one. I wonder if Pop and RC knew KL would be so dedicated. There is no way anyone on this board could know that.

What is so exciting for me is this kid can get better. He can get physically stronger and improve his dribbling skills. And obviously his FT shooting... Last night he had a number of plays where he physically beasted up opponents. We saw how tough he played on Lebron but he can get stronger, a true specimen. He had been the best athlete on the team early on, but not the best player.

[Silver&Black]

Yep. Even if someone followed SDSU closely, Kawhi was so raw offensively that it would've been extremely hard to guess his ceiling. He's averaging more PPG this season with the Spurs than he ever did in college. If anybody predicted this back then it was probably more a case of being a homer than anything else tbh. :lol

Well said.

If someone were to tell me before Kawhi got drafted that he would be our best player (by far) during his 4th year....I would have said you are bat shit crazy. Would I have been wrong....absolutely. But I've been wrong several times about the Spurs. I can remember (vividly I might add) throwing a fucking tantrum when we drafted "Gee-Know-Bee-Lee". I cussed at the screen for 10 minutes. Who the fuck is this guy from Argentina? European League? WTF are we doing?

I ate that plate of crow a long time ago....

[Brazil]

The post you quoted doesn't even talk about Kawhi's potential. I was more worried about Timmy/Manu not having enough time left to allow Kawhi to develop. Kawhi was only 19 and extremely raw--couldn't shoot or dribble much. I think it speaks volumes about the type of gym rat he is so if anything I'm guilty of underestimating his work ethic. He's made huge strides in four short years.

I was sold after that first season. Wouldn't trade him back for five GHills tbh.

Just poking you a bit... You were not a big fan of this trade mainly because this trade was assurance parker would resign for an extension tbh :lol

Funny part is Hill maturation has been very slow tbh... He struggled quite a bit when given the minutes with Indiana. In retrospect keeping hill and trading parker would have put Spurs on rebuilding mode.... exactly what you feared it would happen with Kawhi.

even if Kawhi turn out to be "just" a solid role player this trade was great because she was addressing what Spurs needed the most a wing player with length and defensive skills but best part he was a dude capable to eat RJ's minutes

[apalisoc_9]

Just poking you a bit... You were not a big fan of this trade mainly because this trade was assurance parker would resign for an extension tbh :lol

Funny part is Hill maturation has been very slow tbh... He struggled quite a bit when given the minutes with Indiana. In retrospect keeping hill and trading parker would have put Spurs on rebuilding mode.... exactly what you feared it would happen with Kawhi.

even if Kawhi turn out to be "just" a solid role player this trade was great because she was addressing what Spurs needed the most a wing player with length and defensive skills but best part he was a dude capable to eat RJ's minutes

Never address Leonard the same way you address yourself, buddy.

[Brazil]

Well said.

If someone were to tell me before Kawhi got drafted that he would be our best player (by far) during his 4th year....I would have said you are bat shit crazy. Would I have been wrong....absolutely. But I've been wrong several times about the Spurs. I can remember (vividly I might add) throwing a fucking tantrum when we drafted "Gee-Know-Bee-Lee". I cussed at the screen for 10 minutes. Who the fuck is this guy from Argentina? European League? WTF are we doing?

I ate that plate of crow a long time ago....

Nobody was saying dude would become a beast but a lot of Spurs fans aplauded the trade (Jeffries (?) who created a thread to say Spurs had found their long 3, manyisgod, Solid Defense, Chump etc...) while others in minority were questioning it vehemently (FkLA, DPG and few others)

[Brazil]

Never address Leonard the same way you address yourself, buddy.

She was used for the trade that for me is a feminin word for whatever reason, I should have used it tho... But you could have figured out reading.

on a side note and contrary to you I don't address myself

for the rest you can go fuck yourself faggot tbh fwiw

[apalisoc_9]

She was used for the trade that for me is a feminin word for whatever reason, I should have used it tho... But you could have figured out reading.

on a side note and contrary to you I don't address myself

for the rest you can go fuck yourself faggot tbh fwiw

:lol

Chill man, I was just poking fun at you..I know you get irritated so fast..It was nothing but just a fun joke.

I know english is not your first your english and neither is it mine. honestly, you probably speak 4 or 5 more languages than the average joe and that's to be admired, IMO.:toast

[FkLA]

Just poking you a bit... You were not a big fan of this trade mainly because this trade was assurance parker would resign for an extension tbh :lol

Funny part is Hill maturation has been very slow tbh... He struggled quite a bit when given the minutes with Indiana. In retrospect keeping hill and trading parker would have put Spurs on rebuilding mode.... exactly what you feared it would happen with Kawhi.

even if Kawhi turn out to be "just" a solid role player this trade was great because she was addressing what Spurs needed the most a wing player with length and defensive skills but best part he was a dude capable to eat RJ's minutes

:lol I honestly thought we were finally getting rid of Enrique when the rumor that the Spurs were shopping him came out.

I never thought Hill was ever going to be as good as a prime Enrique. I did think he was capable of being a solid starting PG though, which ended up being the case. Slide Hill at PG and get a solid bigman in return for Enrique. Either that or trade Hill for a 19 year old SF to back-up Dick who just signed a big extension. Which seemed like the better option after getting knocked out in '11 by the Grizz?

I don't think my reasoning was that bad, Kawhi just made me look bad bc he ended up being so good so soon. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

agh the days of Richard Jefferson..

Dark days...

[pgardn]

:lol I honestly thought we were finally getting rid of Enrique when the rumor that the Spurs were shopping him came out.

I never thought Hill was ever going to be as good as a prime Enrique. I did think he was capable of being a solid starting PG though, which ended up being the case. Slide Hill at PG and get a solid bigman in return for Enrique. Either that or trade Hill for a 19 year old SF to back-up Dick who just signed a big extension. Which seemed like the better option after getting knocked out in '11 by the Grizz?

I don't think my reasoning was that bad, Kawhi just made me look bad bc he ended up being so good so soon. :lol

No, it was bad, give yourself credit. Hill is still not a PG.

[FkLA]

No, it was bad, give yourself credit. Hill is still not a PG.

Relative to say Stockton or Nash, sure. But like I said then he wouldn't have been replacing that type of guy. Enrique has always been a score-first PG with limited courtvision that averaged ~5 apg during the majority of his younger years. Hill has a different skillset than Enrique too obviously. I was thinking along the lines of the '10 Spurs with Manu running the show and a solid bigman alongside Timmy.

[Brazil]

:lol

Chill man, I was just poking fun at you..I know you get irritated so fast..It was nothing but just a fun joke.

I know english is not your first your english and neither is it mine. honestly, you probably speak 4 or 5 more languages than the average joe and that's to be admired, IMO.:toast

Its all good

when I use tbh fwiw after faggot it usually means Im having fun too even though I have to admit sometimes ST makes my blood go high... :lol

[Brazil]

:lol I honestly thought we were finally getting rid of Enrique when the rumor that the Spurs were shopping him came out.

I never thought Hill was ever going to be as good as a prime Enrique. I did think he was capable of being a solid starting PG though, which ended up being the case. Slide Hill at PG and get a solid bigman in return for Enrique. Either that or trade Hill for a 19 year old SF to back-up Dick who just signed a big extension. Which seemed like the better option after getting knocked out in '11 by the Grizz?

I don't think my reasoning was that bad, Kawhi just made me look bad bc he ended up being so good so soon. :lol

thing is one tend to forget Hill had a rough start with pacers, I remember the famous serie against heat, with half of a decent PG pacers would have won dat shit with ease. I do like hill a lot but he is more a SG playing PG with pass skilling abilities close to 0. He did improve tho but it took time. Hill was not a good idea as Spurs starting PG, we tried that a couple of games against Suns in POs and did not work out very well.

your reasoning was biased by your parker hate imo... But I agree nobody could have predicted Kawhi will become a dude capable to outplay Lebron on a PO serie

[FkLA]

thing is one tend to forget Hill had a rough start with pacers, I remember the famous serie against heat, with half of a decent PG pacers would have won dat shit with ease. I do like hill a lot but he is more a SG playing PG with pass skilling abilities close to 0. He did improve tho but it took time. Hill was not a good idea as Spurs starting PG, we tried that a couple of games against Suns in POs and did not work out very well.

your reasoning was biased by your parker hate imo... But I agree nobody could have predicted Kawhi will become a dude capable to outplay Lebron on a PO serie

That's dishonest. The Spurs won a playoff series with him as the starter and Enrique was brought off the bench bc the team played so well with a Hill-Manu backcourt. Sure they got beatdown by Phoenix but that wasn't entirely Hill's fault since they got beatdown even when Enrique was reinserted into the starting line-up. The Spurs just weren't good enough that year.

Saying he's not a PG bc he's not a great playmaker is dumb. There's plenty of starting PGs who's bread and butter is shooting the three/defense rather than playmaking tbh.

Regarding Indiana-Miami, that's like saying the Spurs would've gotten past OKC in '12 or Miami in '13 without a choking PG. Or past the Grizz if the all-star PG hadn't allowed a young Conley to school him. Or past the Lakers all those years if Phil Jax didn't contain the Spurs PG so easily. Or what if the Spurs hadn't had Speedy, Kerr, CoJo and Paddy to bail the starting PG out??

[Brazil]

That's dishonest. The Spurs won a playoff series with him as the starter and Enrique was brought off the bench bc the team played so well with a Hill-Manu backcourt. Sure they got beatdown by Phoenix but that wasn't entirely Hill's fault since they got beatdown even when Enrique was reinserted into the starting line-up. The Spurs just weren't good enough that year.

Saying he's not a PG bc he's not a great playmaker is dumb. There's plenty of starting PGs who's bread and butter is shooting the three/defense rather than playmaking tbh.

Regarding Indiana-Miami, that's like saying the Spurs would've gotten past OKC in '12 or Miami in '13 without a choking PG. Or past the Grizz if the all-star PG hadn't allowed a young Conley to school him. Or past the Lakers all those years if Phil Jax didn't contain the Spurs PG so easily. Or what if the Spurs hadn't had Speedy, Kerr, CoJo and Paddy to bail the starting PG out??

Listen if you are so angry at parker you can't even recognize how pacers needed a capable pg there is nothing to discuss about tbh... We spent two seasons saying hill was sucking ass with dat pacers roster. He averaged like 3 asp with 1,5 TOs barely shooting .40 from the field with a PER of 13 during last year PO. He is having a solid season this year and I'm happy for him but let's not act like dude was somehow solid before that.

[ChumpDumper]

lolFkLA still defending det take.

[UZER]

Well said.

If someone were to tell me before Kawhi got drafted that he would be our best player (by far) during his 4th year....I would have said you are bat shit crazy. Would I have been wrong....absolutely. But I've been wrong several times about the Spurs. I can remember (vividly I might add) throwing a fucking tantrum when we drafted "Gee-Know-Bee-Lee". I cussed at the screen for 10 minutes. Who the fuck is this guy from Argentina? European League? WTF are we doing?

I ate that plate of crow a long time ago....

This is what happens when you bring a guy along slowly in a good program, and he has a work ethic. A lot of guys get thrown to the fire too early and burn out. Granted, alot those guys have too big an ego to take a back seat when they first come in.

[The Reckoning]

Hoops Tard :lol

[FkLA]

Listen if you are so angry at parker you can't even recognize how pacers needed a capable pg there is nothing to discuss about tbh... We spent two seasons saying hill was sucking ass with dat pacers roster. He averaged like 3 asp with 1,5 TOs barely shooting .40 from the field with a PER of 13 during last year PO. He is having a solid season this year and I'm happy for him but let's not act like dude was somehow solid before that.

The whole Pacers team fell apart down the stretch last year. You're coming off as a bitter towards him by placing the blame on him for that series just like you placed the blame on him for the Spurs-Suns series.

He's a complimentary piece anyway not a star. He's never going be a consistently good playoff performer. Then again Rique hasn't been a consistently good playoff performer either, which is why I brought up his playoff chokejobs.

[ChumpDumper]

You're coming off as a bitter:lol

[apalisoc_9]

The whole Pacers team fell apart down the stretch last year. You're coming off as a bitter towards him by placing the blame on him for that series just like you placed the blame on him for the Spurs-Suns series.

He's a complimentary piece anyway not a star. He's never going be a consistently good playoff performer. Then again Rique hasn't been a consistently good playoff performer either, which is why I brought up his playoff chokejobs.

Better watch your words brah..you don't want to get banned.

[Clipper Nation]

I can remember (vividly I might add) throwing a fucking tantrum when we drafted "Gee-Know-Bee-Lee". I cussed at the screen for 10 minutes. Who the fuck is this guy from Argentina? European League? WTF are we doing?

I ate that plate of crow a long time ago....
You threw a tantrum over a second-round pick? Seriously?

[jeebus]

You threw a tantrum over a second-round pick? Seriously?

:lol


:cry why didn't the spurms draft Eddie Lucas? he was still available :cry

[apalisoc_9]

You threw a tantrum over a second-round pick? Seriously?

:lmao

[Silver&Black]

You threw a tantrum over a second-round pick? Seriously?

Only get two picks every year CN....this isn't Football.

And I think the purpose of that post went over your head. The post was about not knowing what a rookie will become.

[100%duncan]

I thought manu was conisdered the best euro player that time

[FkLA]

I thought manu was conisdered the best euro player that time

No not at the time. He was by the time he came over but that was like 4-5 yrs after the Spurs drafted him. He would've been a lottery pick in the '02 draft imo.

[100%duncan]

No not at the time. He was by the time he came over but that was like 4-5 yrs after the Spurs drafted him. He would've been a lottery pick in the '02 draft imo.

Ah yah. I remembered Pop deciding to bring him over cuz of that

[exstatic]

Wasn't there stories about that Leonard was only fifth or sixth even in the Spurs desired draft board?

When you set up your draft board, you rank players 1-60, one for every pick in the draft, and when your pick comes, you pick the highest remaining player left on your board. Having Kawhi ranked 5 or 6 meant that they thought he was the 5th or 6th best player in the DRAFT, and they got him at #15.

[T Park]

sorry to rain in your parade but that doesn't mean shit if we still have RJ and Bonner because they have corporate knowledge and Pop will send the rookie to the NBADL or the end of the bench for the next 2 years



Oops

[T Park]

Based on a cursory glance at Leonard's info, it seems he's an energy player with poor lateral movement/speed. Sounds familiar...



Yeah he's sure is poor laterally

[Brazil]

The whole Pacers team fell apart down the stretch last year. You're coming off as a bitter towards him by placing the blame on him for that series just like you placed the blame on him for the Spurs-Suns series.

He's a complimentary piece anyway not a star. He's never going be a consistently good playoff performer. Then again Rique hasn't been a consistently good playoff performer either, which is why I brought up his playoff chokejobs.

Me bitter ? you are the one that appears bitter here.

There is a difference between placing the blame on him and saying he played horrible with Pacers during POs and horrible with Spurs against Suns. During Suns serie he was not capable to stay in front of Nash and more importantly Nash was saving himself on the D end because dude could not hit the side of a barn during that serie, his +/- were horrible, he shot .36 during dat serie and cumulated -54 in +/-. For the Suns, he has to share the blame with everybody, Suns were far superior, he is part of the team that has been destroyed, he is not particularly to blame but this does not change the fact he played poorly, very poorly.

So yes he was a complementary piece, that's the whole point, not at expected level to get the starting job as PG on a team like Spurs or even Pacers. So saying trade Parker for a big, put G Hill as PG and forget to get a long 3 capable to defend from the draft was a bad take.

BTW I never brought the fact he is a PO chocker anywhere, he did not play particularly bad in PO compared to RS.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Hill is not a bad player. He is leading the Pacer's in scoring this year. Grant it, Kawhi is a much better player now. IF he was on another team, Kawhi more than likely would not have developed into the player he is today.

That is why everybody around the league think the Spurs from top to bottom (HC, Asst Coaches, Trainers, Front office, etc.) are the best in the NBA if not the best in all 4 major sports.

Another man's junk could be another man's treasure, aka Danny Green.

Spurs have been doing this for year's, getting high level talent late in the draft or getting talent nobody wants and turning them into very good players.

[Old School 44]

...getting talent nobody wants and turning them into very good players.

Yep...that's why Stephen Jackson, for all the disagreements with Pop, never has a bad thing to say about him and the Spurs. If it wasn't for his time with the Spurs, I doubt if Jack would have had the career (and paydays) he had.

[will_spurs]

Wasn't there stories about that Leonard was only fifth or sixth even in the Spurs desired draft board?

It's certainly the case because each draft has some top talents that simply can't be ignored, and I'm sure the Spurs would have been happy to draft Kyrie Irving if they could have (if only for his trade value :) ). The 2011 draft didn't turn out to be exceptional but it was far from bad: Kyrie Irving and Klay Thompson were drafted ahead of Kawhi, and also serviceable guys like Tristan Thompson, Jonas Valanciunas or Kemba Walker. And after Kawhi there were Kenneth Faried, Jimmy Butler or Nikolas Vucevic (just to show the Spurs aren't perfect either: they drafted Cory Joseph just before Jimmy Butler...)

There were a few disappointments as well, like Enes Kanter, Vesely, Biyombo or Fredette. It's not hard to pick 4-5 guys among those that were ranked higher than Kawhi by the Spurs.

But when your #5 guy is available at #15... it's worth giving it a second thought!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

There were a few disappointments as well, like Enes Kanter, Vesely, Biyombo or Fredette. It's not hard to pick 4-5 guys among those that were ranked higher than Kawhi by the Spurs.


Kanter has really been good since he has been trade to OKC. He is probably 2nd best player currently playing on that roster right now (of course negating Durant and Ibaka who are out for the year).

[will_spurs]

Kanter has really been good since he has been trade to OKC. He is probably 2nd best player currently playing on that roster right now (of course negating Durant and Ibaka who are out for the year).

True but for a 3rd pick he's been somewhat of a bust so far. Hopefully the change of scenery will do him good and he'll be able to restart his career (which is likely as he's only 22).

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Kanter has really been good since he has been trade to OKC. He is probably 2nd best player currently playing on that roster right now (of course negating Durant and Ibaka who are out for the year).

His defense has been Hardenesque ( last season's version ), negating any positive offensive impact.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

His defense has been Hardenesque ( last season's version ), negating any positive offensive impact.

Amare 2.0. But still, Amare did give the Spurs fits. He is like the new Kevin Love down in OKC. Points, rebounds but no defense. But you have to give him that he does get way more blocks than Love ever did.

[Pauleta14]

(just to show the Spurs aren't perfect either: they drafted Cory Joseph just before Jimmy Butler...)

We needed a backup PG badly after trading GH, so even if they liked Butler, it wasn't a mistake imo.

[FkLA]

Me bitter ? you are the one that appears bitter here.

There is a difference between placing the blame on him and saying he played horrible with Pacers during POs and horrible with Spurs against Suns. During Suns serie he was not capable to stay in front of Nash and more importantly Nash was saving himself on the D end because dude could not hit the side of a barn during that serie, his +/- were horrible, he shot .36 during dat serie and cumulated -54 in +/-. For the Suns, he has to share the blame with everybody, Suns were far superior, he is part of the team that has been destroyed, he is not particularly to blame but this does not change the fact he played poorly, very poorly.

So yes he was a complementary piece, that's the whole point, not at expected level to get the starting job as PG on a team like Spurs or even Pacers. So saying trade Parker for a big, put G Hill as PG and forget to get a long 3 capable to defend from the draft was a bad take.

BTW I never brought the fact he is a PO chocker anywhere, he did not play particularly bad in PO compared to RS.

The point is you've only brought up two of his worst series in which his team was outmatched anyways. That's not an objective analysis of his ability as a PG. Also what makes you think a complimentary piece can't be a starting PG? Chalmers, Fisher, Rondo, Kidd were all complimentary pieces on recent title teams.

[will_spurs]

We needed a backup PG badly after trading GH, so even if they liked Butler, it wasn't a mistake imo.

The Spurs drafted to meet the needs they had at the time, but it's quite obvious they'd rather have Butler than CoJo on the roster right now... one is likely to get a max contract, the other is barely a rotation player.

[k_nguyen93]

The Spurs drafted to meet the needs they had at the time, but it's quite obvious they'd rather have Butler than CoJo on the roster right now... one is likely to get a max contract, the other is barely a rotation player.
From what I remember CoJo played with RC's kid at Texas for a year? In addition to need there was probably a familiarity factor there. Jimmy's obviously a talent but I'm not sure he develops the same way if Danny and Manu are in front of him in the rotation. CoJo is also two years younger, if he had stayed 4 years this would be rookie season right. Jimmy's had a lot of free reign this year with all the injuries plus plays more than double CoJo's minutes.

[Brazil]

The point is you've only brought up two of his worst series in which his team was outmatched anyways. That's not an objective analysis of his ability as a PG. Also what makes you think a complimentary piece can't be a starting PG? Chalmers, Fisher, Rondo, Kidd were all complimentary pieces on recent title teams.

Chalmers was playing with the most dominant dude since Jordan who btw was handling the ball most of the time, Rondo during his title run is ten times G Hill and actually was a play maker putting double digit assists every game, Kidd is also very different as he is a play maker, Fisher is the only one worth the comparaison even though like for Chalmers he just gave up the ball soon to Kobe.

And no I don't bring only one serie, I bring his whole time untill this year with the Pacers. For the Spurs he did not play a lot starting PG so my point remains

[james evans]

i will not look, but i'm sure I was against this trade at the time

[FkLA]

Chalmers was playing with the most dominant dude since Jordan who btw was handling the ball most of the time, Rondo during his title run is ten times G Hill and actually was a play maker putting double digit assists every game, Kidd is also very different as he is a play maker, Fisher is the only one worth the comparaison even though like for Chalmers he just gave up the ball soon to Kobe.

And no I don't bring only one serie, I bring his whole time untill this year with the Pacers. For the Spurs he did not play a lot starting PG so my point remains

Kidd was more of a spot-up shooter at that age. You can argue semantics if you'd like, one thing you can't really argue is that none of them were stars. You made it seem like that was a requirement to be a starting PG for SA/Indi and that's not the case.

GHill had Manu to shoulder playmaking duties just like Chalmers/Fish had Bron/Kirby. Not sure why you are acting like he would've been asked to be Stockton for SA. He could've been a 3&D guy tbh.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

i will not look, but i'm sure I was against this trade at the time

I was for that trade. Spurs were in desperate need of a SF, as obviously RJ couldn't even remotely fill Bowen's shoes.

And I am not saying this after the fact, but Kawhi was my favorite player from that draft, even before the Spurs drafted. He was a defensive beast and he was the player I thought could bring back that Bowen like defense to this team. His shot mechanics were horrible and that is why he fell so low in the draft. I had him as a top 5 talent and was elated when the Spurs drafted him.

When you look back on that draft, Kawhi was hands down the best defensive SF in that draft. Even judging today, he still is. I appreciated Hill, but with Parker in his prime, the Spurs really didn't need Hill. They needed someone like Kawhi.

A WCF, Finals, and Championship over the past 3 years validates that.

[gambit1990]

i'm curious as to what larry bird would say about the trade/kawhi.

[Brazil]

Kidd was more of a spot-up shooter at that age. You can argue semantics if you'd like, one thing you can't really argue is that none of them were stars. You made it seem like that was a requirement to be a starting PG for SA/Indi and that's not the case.

GHill had Manu to shoulder playmaking duties just like Chalmers/Fish had Bron/Kirby. Not sure why you are acting like he would've been asked to be Stockton for SA. He could've been a 3&D guy tbh.

Kidd was averaging 8 assists per game with like 2 steals during 2011 mavs run, he was a spot up shooter and a bad one but still had great playmaking abilities, again a totally different player than Hill. I never said you need to be a star but being a SG playing PG with very low playmaking abilities is not what Pacers needed neither Spurs.

Your argument is stupid regarding Manu... Let me get this straight... you would have played Manu and Hill together with basically Manu playing PG and Hill SG ? The bench would have been fucking great with Roger fucking Mason Junior, Keith centerpiece Bogan and Garret the great Temple. Your point does not make sense at all. None of the situations (PG + Team) to back up your point makes sense... at all.

[FkLA]

Kidd was averaging 8 assists per game with like 2 steals during 2011 mavs run, he was a spot up shooter and a bad one but still had great playmaking abilities, again a totally different player than Hill. I never said you need to be a star but being a SG playing PG with very low playmaking abilities is not what Pacers needed neither Spurs.

Your argument is stupid regarding Manu... Let me get this straight... you would have played Manu and Hill together with basically Manu playing PG and Hill SG ? The bench would have been fucking great with Roger fucking Mason Junior, Keith centerpiece Bogan and Garret the great Temple. Your point does not make sense at all. None of the situations (PG + Team) to back up your point makes sense... at all.

Dirk and team ball movement were what got the Mavs a title, Kidd's playmaking and his play in general was complimentary. In the current Spurs system ball movement is vital as well, there's no need for a hero PG as was shown last season. No reason why Hill wouldn't have fit in.

So were Chalmers and Fisher a SG? You're assuming the roster would've stayed the same. Obviously Enrique would've got the Spurs a good, established player in return. Depending on that who knows how the team would've been built. A Hill-Manu backcourt looked pretty good in 2010 tbh.

[Brazil]

Dirk and team ball movement were what got the Mavs a title, Kidd's playmaking and his play in general was complimentary. In the current Spurs system ball movement is vital as well, there's no need for a hero PG as was shown last season. No reason why Hill wouldn't have fit in.

Except Spurs in 2010, 2011 had not the current spurs system with most of the roster with playmaking abilities... I'm not sure you remember the Spurs roster during G Hill years... have a look tbh it gonna help you realizing what you are saying does not make sense.

I disagree and Kidd's playmaking being "only" complementary, but yes they had more playmakers than 2010-2011 Spurs roster with Barrea, Terry.


So were Chalmers and Fisher a SG? You're assuming the roster would've stayed the same. Obviously Enrique would've got the Spurs a good, established player in return. Depending on that who knows how the team would've been built. A Hill-Manu backcourt looked pretty good in 2010 tbh.

Chalmers and Fisher were PG but playmakings were most off their hands. For Parker you wanted a big.... At that time Parker was hitting his prime, GHill not essential to Spurs roster... declining the opportunity to trade Hill for basically getting rid of RJ would have been dumb

[100%duncan]

Yeah he's sure is poor laterally

Cursory glance :lmao

[FkLA]

Except Spurs in 2010, 2011 had not the current spurs system with most of the roster with playmaking abilities... I'm not sure you remember the Spurs roster during G Hill years... have a look tbh it gonna help you realizing what you are saying does not make sense.

I disagree and Kidd's playmaking being "only" complementary, but yes they had more playmakers than 2010-2011 Spurs roster with Barrea, Terry.

I remember those years fine. The team was transitioning into a more offensive oriented team and the system was in it's early stages of taking over. In hindsight I woud've rather the system have taken over sooner instead of spending those couple of years foolishly relying on 'MVParker' to lead us to disappointing finishes.


Chalmers and Fisher were PG but playmakings were most off their hands. For Parker you wanted a big.... At that time Parker was hitting his prime, GHill not essential to Spurs roster... declining the opportunity to trade Hill for basically getting rid of RJ would have been dumb

So why couldn't Hill had been a PG who deferred playmaking like Chalmers and Fiser did? :lol

Who cares if he was hitting his prime. He was fools gold. We relied on him to be 'MVParker' and he was never good enough to lead us to a title as a clear cut alpha of the team.

[Brazil]

I remember those years fine. The team was transitioning into a more offensive oriented team and the system was in it's early stages of taking over. In hindsight I woud've rather the system have taken over sooner instead of spending those couple of years foolishly relying on 'MVParker' to lead us to disappointing finishes.



So why couldn't Hill had been a PG who deferred playmaking like Chalmers and Fiser did? :lol

Who cares if he was hitting his prime. He was fools gold. We relied on him to be 'MVParker' and he was never good enough to lead us to a title as a clear cut alpha of the team.

Your Parker hate is too much brah... I understand you don't like him but there is not a single quote not biased by your disgusting hate towards him, not sure how anybody would take you seriously on any topic related to him. At this point it's beyond stupid


Regarding your question, it's because you had nobody to defer playmaking to except Gino who cannot play 48 mn a game... so again my point remains. Spurs move was the clear better move to do even not knowing Kawhi's motor, it's even a better move in retrospect.

[Embedded]

WOW

[timtonymanu]

Would take Hill over Parker right now tbh.

Bringing the goods while others scoff at him


KLMVP

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Non-player fan here, tbh.

:lol short bus

[K...]

This is always a curious thread to bump since it does not include several notable player fans.

[dabom]

Bringing the goods while others scoff at him



:lol

:lmao


















































thegreatfaggot :lmao:lmao

[dabom]

KLMVP :lmao

[dabom]

https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0473/41/1428135514083.jpg

[BD24]

This is always a curious thread to bump since it does not include several notable player fans.
Right, funny that you never find the short bus crew or their leader propping up Kawhi in the early threads when we first drafted him. Yet they love to spout the "I knew he was gonna be great from the beginning" bullshit.

[spursistan]

bump..

:lol at this ever being "win-win" for both teams at any point..one the biggest heists in NBA trade history..
:lmao GM Bird

[dweaver99027]

Well, it's not like the Spurs knew at the time they traded a backup PG for a future Top 10 player...

[BillMc]

What's amusing is this franchise-changing event is only 1/3 as long as the Jimmer thread. :lol

[Chinook]

What's amusing is this franchise-changing event is only 1/3 as long as the Jimmer thread. :lol

Despite being years older as well.

[Lostwingman]

What's amusing is this franchise-changing event is only 1/3 as long as the Jimmer thread. :lol

Jimmer Watch 2015: The Mormoning

[spurraider21]

Wow FkLA was really upset about this trade.

[TXstbobcat]

Damn Larry Bird got fucking fleeced by the Spurs front office on this one.

[cd98]

Can't blame Bird. You don't draft a small forward when you have an established Paul George. And even the Spurs admit they didn't see his scoring potential. They saw him as someone that could defend. Spurs just got lucky that they had a need at that position and that the move yielded much more then they anticipated.

[dbreiden83080]

Damn Larry Bird got fucking fleeced by the Spurs front office on this one.

KL didn't exactly have a stellar college career. He was a nice prospect but nobody thought he was a can't miss pick..

[Russ]

bump..

:lol at this ever being "win-win" for both teams at any point..one the biggest heists in NBA trade history..
:lmao GM Bird

I think I said it at the time . . .

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181950&page=21&p=5319797&viewfull=1#post5319797

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181950&page=20&p=5319754&viewfull=1#post5319754

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181950&page=18&p=5319625&viewfull=1#post5319625


Wow FkLA was really upset about this trade.

Yeah, but this time I'm sure he's right, you know, about Parker . . .

[NickiRasgo]

This trade brings the Spurs to 3 WCF appearance and 2 NBA Finals appearance for the rookie contract.

[TXstbobcat]

KL didn't exactly have a stellar college career. He was a nice prospect but nobody thought he was a can't miss pick..

That is true but what a hell of a trade it was for the Spurs.

[TXstbobcat]

This trade brings the Spurs to 3 WCF appearance and 2 NBA Finals appearance for the rookie contract.

thank you Larry Bird!!!!

[HarlemHeat37]

Larry Bird looks like an old potato, tbh..

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/nwitimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/af/8af5a6d5-3a76-5d2e-a0d0-6f63261fdde3/536ecb0c0dc92.preview-620.jpg

https://pennfoodwasterevolution.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/old-potato.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

Bird is fuking disgusting.

Ugliest mofo ever.

[benefactor]

Larry Bird looks like an old potato, tbh..

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/nwitimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/af/8af5a6d5-3a76-5d2e-a0d0-6f63261fdde3/536ecb0c0dc92.preview-620.jpg

https://pennfoodwasterevolution.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/old-potato.jpg
:tu

[tholdren]

Bird is fuking disgusting.

Ugliest mofo ever.

delonte west, bibby, boban... bird is not the ugliest

[TrainOfThought5]

How does this help the Spurs win now or rebuild

CROFL :lmao

[K...]

i dunno how bird fcked up with a pacers roster that was meant to be contending out east

just because the miami big3 breakup, doesnt mean u breakup ur own team also...fail

they replaced their starters with shit

Uh, they had a good team. Never a title team, but they had some pretty bad luck and had to beat LeBron in the playoffs, which isn't easy. But one mistake was thinking George hill was a good pg.

[SpurPadre]

Durant still thinks we got ripped off in this deal.

[DJR210]

I thought Bird resembles a chicken mcnugget

[Trill Clinton]

Larry Bird looks like an old potato, tbh..

A

https://pennfoodwasterevolution.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/old-potato.jpg


Looks like the average cac

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

bump..

:lol at this ever being "win-win" for both teams at any point..one the biggest heists in NBA trade history..
:lmao GM Bird

Please. Indiana made two straight ECF with Hill. At first it was an even trade. It is just Kawhi with the instruction of the Spurs staff, has made himself into the player he is today. Kawhi had a horrible shooting mechanic when he first entered the league and he has put in the hard work to vastly improve it. A testament to himself and also Chip, the best shooting coach in the NBA, if not world.

[Agloco]

Durant still thinks we got ripped off in this deal.

I'm sure that first game in OKC changed his opinion a bit

[spursistan]

:lol Pacers getting to see this trade blow up in their face from now on at each meeting...Kawhi completely erasing PG while taking over the game..you could have prevented this sight by having both on your team Larry Bird..

[tholdren]

Despite being years older as well.
I would assume because no one thought Hill was good. I think the intrigue is about filling the roster with playable players, i.e. Matt Bonner is worthless, is JF really more worthless? And that's really what the forum is about, having opinions about who could play more/when/at all. To read the posters who insist JF is able to earn a spot is just as valid as those who hate on him.

Watching people get upset is entertaining and confusing all at the same time.

[100%duncan]

Always a good thread to revisit.

[RD2191]

Unless the Spurs move RJ, this guy likely won't have a chance to do anything
Hill was a very good rotation player. I'm not against trading Hill, but why for this?
I love bumping this. :lol

[100%duncan]

Pacers just got ripped off


Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!


:lol

[timtonymanu]

:lol

No surprise Poops Czar is a moron in this thread too

[RD2191]

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.
Lol @ this faggot

[100%duncan]

Lol @ this faggot

:lmao 3 years after that post the nigga who won't see time in the court even during the RS is the Finals MVP

[RD2191]

:lmao 3 years after that post the nigga who won't see time in the court even during the RS is the Finals MVP
Hoops brought the bads in this thread. :lol

[100%duncan]

Hoops brought the bads in this thread. :lol

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/kawhi-leonard-not-sold
Hoops Czar is this you

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I love bumping this. :lol

He never understands why I go after his takes. It's amusing.

[RD2191]

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/kawhi-leonard-not-sold
Hoops Czar (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18859) is this you
Damn, the posters in that thread. And I thought I had shit basketball takes. (I do) :lol

[100%duncan]

Damn, the posters in that thread. And I thought I had shit basketball takes. (I do) :lol

Who the fuck is vessely tbh

[RD2191]

Who the fuck is vessely tbh
I've heard of him..but can't put a face on him. :lol

[RD2191]

"I agree. He can't shoot, jump, or dribble.
I've heard many people compare him to Gerald Wallace and Shawn Marion, but he's nowhere near as athletic as those two. He's an overrated athlete, and people found that out at the combine.
He's a good rebounder and defender, but I think there are more talented players that might go behind him in this draft. I hope my Wizards don't take him, because Chad Ford has him going to us, and I heard that he had a good workout with up.
Some people projecting him as the #1 SF in this draft shows just how weak this SF crop is. He's a safe pick, but he shouldn't be a lottery pick. More like late 1st, but will go in the lottery because this class is so weak, maybe even top 5."

[RD2191]

This fucking guy.

[100%duncan]

This fucking guy.

Thank Jesus "their" teams didn't pick this fucking scrub tbh :lol

[RD2191]

"Im not sold on him at all. I dont even want my Bobcats taking him at 9 if hes there. His comparison is Gerald Wallace but this guy is light years from bringing what Wallace can bring to the table, hell it took Wallace years to develop from what he once was which was similar to Kawhi Leonard to someone who could crack the rotation. I dont think hes ready to contribute right away nor do I think he has tremendous potential. If he lives up to Wallace he will be well worth the pick but I feel thats such a long shot that I wouldn't take him top ten."

:lmao

[james evans]

Pacers just got ripped off
:lol good call

[K...]

Hind sight is a bitch, unless you're an idiot.

I'll take my friend hoops czar over the emotional player fans who made outlandish claims kawhi would be an mvp candidate. Just because you want something to be true, and it became true, does not mean you have knowledge or control over the situation.It's called luck.


Unless you knew Leonard personally then you were just guessing how good he'd be. I'm very pessimistic any here actually understood how good he'd be.



But hey good times guys

[Floyd Pacquiao]

What a great great thread

[100%duncan]

Hind sight is a bitch, unless you're an idiot.

I'll take my friend hoops czar over the emotional player fans who made outlandish claims kawhi would be an mvp candidate. Just because you want something to be true, and it became true, does not mean you have knowledge or control over the situation.It's called luck.


Unless you knew Leonard personally then you were just guessing how good he'd be. I'm very pessimistic any here actually understood how good he'd be.



But hey good times guys

Uh.. kawhi is an mvp candidate. Hindsight or none, you are an idiot.

[RD2191]

Hind sight is a bitch, unless you're an idiot.

I'll take my friend hoops czar over the emotional player fans who made outlandish claims kawhi would be an mvp candidate. Just because you want something to be true, and it became true, does not mean you have knowledge or control over the situation.It's called luck.


Unless you knew Leonard personally then you were just guessing how good he'd be. I'm very pessimistic any here actually understood how good he'd be.



But hey good times guys
Crofl. "Friend hoops".

[timtonymanu]

Hind sight is a bitch, unless you're an idiot.

I'll take my friend hoops czar over the emotional player fans who made outlandish claims kawhi would be an mvp candidate. Just because you want something to be true, and it became true, does not mean you have knowledge or control over the situation.It's called luck.


Unless you knew Leonard personally then you were just guessing how good he'd be. I'm very pessimistic any here actually understood how good he'd be.



But hey good times guys

Shut up faggot. I feel dumber every time I read one of your posts.

[RD2191]

Shut up faggot. I feel dumber every time I read one of your posts.
:lmao

[rasuo214]

Hind sight is a bitch, unless you're an idiot.

I'll take my friend hoops czar over the emotional player fans who made outlandish claims kawhi would be an mvp candidate. Just because you want something to be true, and it became true, does not mean you have knowledge or control over the situation.It's called luck.


Unless you knew Leonard personally then you were just guessing how good he'd be. I'm very pessimistic any here actually understood how good he'd be.



But hey good times guys

Eh anyone that had decent insight about Kawhi would have known he had an outstanding work ethic and improved every year he played basketball.

Personally I see Hoops Czar's reaction as more emotional than the "player fans". Hoops Czar was clearly upset over the trade, the "player fans" are simply giving an optimistic viewpoint (and really no different than the reaction to most Spurs projects, just look at Boban, Simmons and the many before them).

[HarlemHeat37]

Eh anyone that had decent insight about Kawhi would have known he had an outstanding work ethic and improved every year he played basketball.

Personally I see Hoops Czar's reaction as more emotional than the "player fans". Hoops Czar was clearly upset over the trade, the "player fans" are simply giving an optimistic viewpoint (and really no different than the reaction to most Spurs projects, just look at Boban, Simmons and the many before them).

:lol it's not emotional; Hoops is a good dude, but his ST persona is not really a Spurs fan, tbh..his shtick is to be anti-Spurs hype(whatever Spurs feature is receiving the most hype on the forum at the time, whether it's the defense, Kawhi, the bench, etc)..

[NASpurs]

Shut up faggot. I feel dumber every time I read one of your posts.

:lol tbh

[100%duncan]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWzgrvaU4AAts9J.jpg:large

[bic50]

Those takes are awful. It's funny how they never post on it again.

[SupremeGuy]

Hoops brought the bads in this thread. :lolHe always brings the bads, tbh. :lol I can't even tell if he's trolling or genuinely believes his shitty sports takes.

[SupremeGuy]

Shut up faggot. I feel dumber every time I read one of your posts.:lol

[Splits]

Popths really really likths Georgie's hair..

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[DPG21920]

I love bumping this. :lol

They moved RJ.





























But I was still wrong about him in general. Was more about losing Hill than it was about Kawhi in my defense.

[DPG21920]

He never understands why I go after his takes. It's amusing.

:lmao

[LongtimeSpursFan]

He shoulda said KL would never be an All Star. At least he would have got that right.

[BD24]

Who the fuck is vessely tbh
Was the 3rd pick by the Wizards in Kawhis draft. He bombed terribly, believe he is back playing in Europe now.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao

That is actually how I spot you.

[Kawhitstorm]

Was the 3rd pick by the Wizards in Kawhis draft. He bombed terribly, believe he is back playing in Europe now.

He has actually landed on his feet & turned out into a decent player (had pretty good showing in preseason/Euro Cup against NBA players). I wouldn't mind him as Bonner's replacement next season, he & Boban would be the ultimate garbage time show.:lol

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[DPG21920]

That is actually how I spot you.

That doesn't make any sense. I'm just here to talk basketball.

[BD24]

He has actually landed on his feet & turned out into a decent player (had pretty good showing in preseason/Euro Cup against NBA players). I wouldn't mind him as Bonner's replacement next season, he & Boban would be the ultimate garbage time show.:lol

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Yea, hes still a pretty darn good athlete and seems to of improved his skills a bit. Wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Was the 3rd pick by the Wizards in Kawhis draft. He bombed terribly, believe he is back playing in Europe now.

welp, sometimes in the draft you screw the pooch and it isn't your fault. see: Cowboys, Morris Claiborne

[Joseph Kony]

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