Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say

[Joseph Kony]

aaaand thousandth reply


carry on

[UNT Eagles 2016]

1,001

[noob cake]

Pacers just got ripped off

The prophet speaks once again. Repeat after me

Lillard = trash

Wiggins = bust

Towns = solid all-star

[Vokun]

Best Case: Shawn Marion :lmao

[AFMadison]

:tu

Unless yall are ready to rebuild, why in the world are Spur fans celebrating this? Even if this nigga developes into a stud it wont be an immediate thing, and Manu & Tim dont necessarily have enough time left to wait for that.

If youre ready to rebuild then continue your celebration. Although honestly trading a 23 yr old talented player doesnt make much sense either.

[spursistan]

Bump..

this fuckin trade :lmao..

already a highway robbery but that's now combined with man murder of Larry Bird after his fleecing :lol..

Bertans :wow:worthy:

[apalisoc_9]

kawhi and Bertans.....:lol

[dabom]

:lol

[100%duncan]

Robbery of the 21st century

[timtonymanu]

It will be funnier when Hill resigns here next summer as well.

[r0drig0lac]

It will be funnier when Hill resigns here next summer as well.

this

[T Park]

It will be funnier when Hill resigns here next summer as well.



I don't think Utah let's him go but, stranger things have happened.

[Kawhitstorm]

It will be funnier when Hill resigns here next summer as well.

George is ballin' out in Utah, had the Pacers used him appropriately & Granger didn't have a career ending injury then nobody would be laughing at the Pacers. Vogel running a 90s offense was their demise.

[nowitzkikopf]

Physicals Positions Rankings Salary Misc
H: 6' 7"
W: 225 lbs
Bday: 06/29/1991
(19 Years Old)
Current: SF
NBA: SF
Possible: SF
Round: 1 Pick: 14 in 2011 Mock Draft
Rank 10 in Top 100 Prospects
Rank 5 in NCAA Sophomores
Rank 1 in 2011 Wings
RSCI: 48
Agent: Brian Elfus
DRAFT ELIGIBLE
High School: King High
Hometown: Riverside, Calif
Best Case: Shawn Marion
Worst Case: Luc Richard Mbah A Moute

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/#ixzz1Q9SR48Td
http://www.draftexpress.com


this projection still makes me crack the fuck up

[spursistan]

Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!

:lmao :lol:rollin :lmao

[dabom]

:lmao

Hoops has always been a bad poster. I remember he took a hiatus so people could forget the shit he used to say. :lol

[spursistan]

Again this trade :lol

[NASpurs]

Davis is still 24 and will hopefully be a Spur a long time (if his knees hold up) :worthy:

[timtonymanu]

:lmao Larry bird

[Robz4000]

:lol the trade that keeps on giving

[BillMc]

:lmao Larry bird
:lol

[Chinook]

Getting the 12th pick years later was a pretty good move. The trade had value for them. Too bad they pissed that pick away on Jeff Teague. Could have overdrafted Brogdon and been better off.

[100%duncan]

Getting the 12th pick years later was a pretty good move. The trade had value for them. Too bad they pissed that pick away on Jeff Teague. Could have overdrafted Brogdon and been better off.

Bruh we couldve gotten brogdon. Feels bad

[apalisoc_9]

He's better than RJ.


Pacers

[QUOTE=Hoops Czar;5320293]Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!

Worst take in 35 pages filled with bad takes..

Congrats..You take the cake.

[apalisoc_9]

FkLA and DPG21920 were cool back then..How things change. :lol

Can't remeber how their beef started..

[Chinook]

Bruh we couldve gotten brogdon. Feels bad

Shit yeah. He was my guy in the draft along with Davis. Had the Spurs had something set up for Mills, swinging around to take Brogdon to replace him at the end of the first was my goal. That said, the Spurs drafted Murray for 2018-2019. If Dejounte is better than Brogdon then, it's all worth it. They weren't planning on letting either play right now.

[ElNono]

I will repeat. When Duncan retires, Parker is out the door.

crofl

[TimDunkem]

Hoops Czar. lmao More like Hoops Peasant. Anyone who saw Leonard in college knew he had the potential to at least be a much better player than Hill...And this was a time where we sorely needed a player at that wing position.

What a shitty take.

[100%duncan]

Shit yeah. He was my guy in the draft along with Davis. Had the Spurs had something set up for Mills, swinging around to take Brogdon to replace him at the end of the first was my goal. That said, the Spurs drafted Murray for 2018-2019. If Dejounte is better than Brogdon then, it's all worth it. They weren't planning on letting either play right now.

Seems like Brogdon's built is more nba ready though? Havent watched this dude before nba so I cant tell my opinion between him and murray pre nba

[100%duncan]

Hoops Czar. lmao More like Hoops Peasant. Anyone who saw Leonard in college knew he had the potential to at least be a much better player than Hill...And this was a time where we sorely needed a player at that wing position.

What a shitty take.
I remember being very surprised but Pop wouldnt trade his son for no one :lol

[Chinook]

Seems like Brogdon's built is more nba ready though? Havent watched this dude before nba so I cant tell my opinion between him and murray pre nba

He is, but he's 24 already. Murray seems to have more potential.

[spursistan]

crofl
Glorious run of shit takes from Hoops in this thread :lol

[Hoops Czar]

crofl

Yeah, me thinks your not really crawling on the floor from a post made back in 2011 but hey, whatever floats your boat.

[dabom]

Yeah, me thinks your not really crawling on the floor from a post made back in 2011 but hey, whatever floats your boat.

You were also trash every year you posted. Not just 2012. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Worst take in 35 pages filled with bad takes..

Congrats..You take the cake.

Still pales in comparison to this one.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225796

[gambit1990]

I will repeat. When Duncan retires, Parker is out the door.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png

[gambit1990]

what on earth would even possess someone to think tony would leave once duncan did? :rollin

i wish he had been right though.

[ElNono]

Yeah, me thinks your not really crawling on the floor from a post made back in 2011 but hey, whatever floats your boat.

It's all good scrah... but :lol @ package deal...

[gambit1990]

and what if Duncan doesn't retire for 2 or 3 more seasons?

Question... What's compelling Duncan to stay? Why should he add more wear and tear on his body and continue to struggle through the season when the Spurs aren't going to contend?
http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/tim-duncan1-1402910283.jpg

[Hoops Czar]

It's all good scrah... but :lol @ package deal...

No problem. :lol As you should recall, there were prominent posters in Spurstalk unlike myself that were predicting Duncan's demise for a couple of years prior to that post. It was around that time Parker himself said the Spurs were no longer contenders so it stands to reason that if a move was going to be made to prepare for the future and life after Duncan, Parker was likely the one to be traded because he would bring back the most in return. The package deal metaphorically speaking was to rebuild for the future. I mean, what's the good in keeping a regular season stat padder, a perennial playoff choker and a wife stealer on the roster if the franchise retires, the Spurs are no longer contenders and the player in his prime can net a package that includes lottery pick in return?

[ElNono]

No problem. :lol As you should recall, there were prominent posters in Spurstalk unlike myself that were predicting Duncan's demise for a couple of years prior to that post. It was around that time Parker himself said the Spurs were no longer contenders so it stands to reason that if a move was going to be made to prepare for the future and life after Duncan, Parker was likely the one to be traded because he would bring back the most in return. The package deal metaphorically speaking was to rebuild for the future. I mean, what's the good in keeping a regular season stat padder, a perennial playoff choker and a wife stealer on the roster if the franchise retires, the Spurs are no longer contenders and the player in his prime can net a package that includes lottery pick in return?

lol... frankly, the league has changed so much since then... 3/4 of the league is tanking, and there's only 3-4 teams really vying for the championship. Glad the Spurs are still one of them.

[Kawhitstorm]

He is, but he's 24 already. Murray seems to have more potential.

Yeah, he's the same age as Hill when he was traded.

[Mal]

Bruh we couldve gotten brogdon. Feels bad

I was hoping for this dude.
The dude himself wanted to be a Spur

[MaNu4Tres]

Some serious back peddling in this thread. Lol

The trade absolutely made sense at the time, I remember me and objective hoping this trade happened weeks before the draft. Hill was redundant and due for a raise, Spurs replenished the program with not only a brand new rookie contract, but Kawhi Leonard, an athletic long defensive wing they desperately needed -- who had tremendous intangibles ( team had no size at the wing at the time).

Overpaying for redundancy or overpaying for a back up never makes sense when you have quality cheap depth behind the back up or quality depth with a high ceiling ( Spurs had Neal/ Anderson at the time, now they'll have Murray/ Forbes). Thats why I think Mills will be let go this next summer.

[100%duncan]

I was hoping for this dude.
The dude himself wanted to be a Spur
Really? Wasnt keen on followinf the offseason outside of TDs retirement

[sasaint]

Seems like Brogdon's built is more nba ready though? Havent watched this dude before nba so I cant tell my opinion between him and murray pre nba

He went to my alma mater. I watched him a lot and really wanted the Spurs to draft him in the first. Very Spursy guy. Just before the draft I posted an article from the Charlottesville paper downstairs in his draft prospect thread - kind of like a mini-DRob in his intangibles.

[Mal]

Really? Wasnt keen on followinf the offseason outside of TDs retirement

Yeah, I hoped Spurs will pick up him, rather another euro stash trash. He was leader of great team, defensive minded, good vision, good three shooting. Perfect fit for Spurs, but then, quite possible Murray`s upside was too much to pass.

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/06/03/san-antonio-spurs-malcolm-brogdon-perfect-fit/


Can`t google article where he said, he wanted to join Spurs.

[Mal]

Some serious back peddling in this thread. Lol

The trade absolutely made sense at the time, I remember me and objective hoping this trade happened weeks before the draft. Hill was redundant and due for a raise, Spurs replenished the program with not only a brand new rookie contract, but Kawhi Leonard, an athletic long defensive wing they desperately needed -- who had tremendous intangibles ( team had no size at the wing at the time).

Overpaying for redundancy or overpaying for a back up never makes sense when you have quality cheap depth behind the back up or quality depth with a high ceiling ( Spurs had Neal/ Anderson at the time, now they'll have Murray/ Forbes). Thats why I think Mills will be let go this next summer.

Imagine that Hill was traded for guy who was suppose to help on defense and with rebounding.

Mills will be let go this summer, if some one pays him over 10mil per season. He`ll stay, if he`ll give discount, like Danny Green did. Spurs wanted to pay their guys, but can`t go deep into tax.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Yeah, I hoped Spurs will pick up him, rather another euro stash trash. He was leader of great team, defensive minded, good vision, good three shooting. Perfect fit for Spurs, but then, quite possible Murray`s upside was too much to pass.http://hoopshabit.com/2016/06/03/san-antonio-spurs-malcolm-brogdon-perfect-fit/Can`t google article where he said, he wanted to join Spurs.

If I can remember correctly, Brogdon's desire to be a Spur was mentioned in a tweet, not an article.

I'm still not sure what RC saw in Murray to pick him over Brogdon. The former never displayed the BBIQ, efficiency and defensive ability of the latter. Presently, Brogdon is touted as one of the best rookies in his class and the absolute steal of the draft. And in his second start for the Bucks, he's notched up his first triple double.

Frankly, I think RC fucked up big time by passing on Brogdon.

[100%duncan]

He went to my alma mater. I watched him a lot and really wanted the Spurs to draft him in the first. Very Spursy guy. Just before the draft I posted an article from the Charlottesville paper downstairs in his draft prospect thread - kind of like a mini-DRob in his intangibles.


Yeah, I hoped Spurs will pick up him, rather another euro stash trash. He was leader of great team, defensive minded, good vision, good three shooting. Perfect fit for Spurs, but then, quite possible Murray`s upside was too much to pass.

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/06/03/san-antonio-spurs-malcolm-brogdon-perfect-fit/


Can`t google article where he said, he wanted to join Spurs.

Thanks

[sasaint]

If I can remember correctly, Brogdon's desire to be a Spur was mentioned in a tweet, not an article.

I'm still not sure what RC saw in Murray to pick him over Brogdon. The former never displayed the BBIQ, efficiency and defensive ability of the latter. Presently, Brogdon is touted as one of the best rookies in his class and the absolute steal of the draft. And in his second start for the Bucks, he's notched up his first triple double.

Frankly, I think RC fucked up big time by passing on Brogdon.

Brogdon and the Spurs seemed like the proverbial marriage made in heaven. I personally could not wait to root for a guy from my alma mater wearing a Spurs uniform. I was crushed when RC passed on him. If you're interested, I'll try to find the newspaper article and post it up here.

[Solid D]

Brogdon and the Spurs seemed like the proverbial marriage made in heaven. I personally could not wait to root for a guy from my alma mater wearing a Spurs uniform. I was crushed when RC passed on him. If you're interested, I'll try to find the newspaper article and post it up here.

Brogdon has been impressive. He's a more mature player...4 years older than Dejounte. It will be fun watching how Murray's player development progresses.

[CGD]

He went to my alma mater. I watched him a lot and really wanted the Spurs to draft him in the first. Very Spursy guy. Just before the draft I posted an article from the Charlottesville paper downstairs in his draft prospect thread - kind of like a mini-DRob in his intangibles.

Wahoowa

[sasaint]

Wahoowa

You a Wahoo?

[CGD]

You a Wahoo?

Once upon a time :-) Like Roger Mason Jr. and Al Groh once upon a time.

[sasaint]

Once upon a time :-) Like Roger Mason Jr. and Al Groh once upon a time.

Lol, I was there in the late seventies!

[gambit1990]

larry bird had paul george + kawhi leonard :lol

[exstatic]

larry bird had paul george + kawhi leonard :lol

In context, they had a pre-injury Danny Granger, who was an All Star, and PG, who was an up and comer. For themselves, they probably wouldn't have even drafted Kawhi in 2011. They were set on the wing.

[Mr. Body]

I don't consider it as that bad a trade. The value was basically equal at the time, just that Kawhi fell into a fluke situation and is a fluke player and Bertans might pan out, too. It was a good trade for Indiana that turned relatively bad. As an opposite example, the Lakers trade for Pau Gasol was a terrible trade that turned out (by fluke) to be pretty good, in that his brother turned out to be very good.

[BillMc]

I don't consider it as that bad a trade. The value was basically equal at the time, just that Kawhi fell into a fluke situation and is a fluke player and Bertans might pan out, too. It was a good trade for Indiana that turned relatively bad. As an opposite example, the Lakers trade for Pau Gasol was a terrible trade that turned out (by fluke) to be pretty good, in that his brother turned out to be very good.

These are very good points especially about the perceptions of the trades at the time. For the first 2 or 3 years Hill-Leonard was touted as an example of a "win-win" trade. That was when Indiana was playing well and getting to the ECF. Since Indiana has faltered and Kawhi's blossomed the perspective has changed naturally. And, your right, no one knew Marc would be so good. At the time everyone thought it was robbery and Jerry West doing a favor for his old team the Lakers, much like McHale gave the Celtics KG for practically nothing.

[GSH]

It's pretty funny to go back and read the initial reactions to the trade from the comfort of what we know now. It was a good trade for both sides at the time. The Spurs FO had vision, and they were pretty shrewd coming out of it with Bertans in the deal. But even Pop said that they were "scared shitless" when they finally pulled the trigger on the deal.

I found this in the pile of old posts from when Kawhi was drafted, and it made me smile. I can hear the man that would go on to star in so many HEB commercials:


The following are quotes from Kawhi Leonard following his selection in the NBA Draft.

Q. Kawhi, what does it feel like?
Kawhi Leonard: I feel great right now. I got picked to be on an NBA team. I worked hard. I finally accomplished my dream now, but it's not over yet. I've got a lot of work to do to make an impact in the league, and I'm ready to do any type of work I've got to do.

Q. There were reports that the Pacers and the Spurs have made a deal sending you to San Antonio; if true, how would you feel playing in San Antonio?
Kawhi Leonard: I feel good. I had a meeting with them, and I got a great vibe from them. Just any team I'm on, I'm happy with right now. I'm just going in, trying to do whatever the coach wants me to do to make the team successful.

Q. If that report isn't correct, you're going to a Pacer team that has a lot of players of your position, small forwards. What can you do to separate yourself and get yourself on the floor?
Kawhi Leonard: I can do a lot on the court. I'm very versatile. The coach drafted me, and he must have a plan in his head, and whatever his plan is, I'm ready for it.

Q. Your emphasis on rebounding in defense, talk about with the Pacers that, can get you immediate playing time, because they struggled on the defensive end, in the post, especially. Talk about how you're looking forward to that opportunity?
Kawhi Leonard: Yes, I take pride in defense. I'm just going to go in, do the same thing I did in college, get some rebounds and help my teammates find ways to win games.

[Dre_7]

Yeah, me thinks your not really crawling on the floor from a post made back in 2011 but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Sorry, but I just re-read the first 10 pages of this thread and you were WAY off on basically all of your takes. :lmao It was very entertaining and very fun to read. :claw

[DAF86]

George Hill for the 15th pick in a draft is a no brainer, tbh. 99% of the time, you don't get a Kawhi that late in the draft. Chances are Pacers wouldn't have even drafted Leonard with that pick.

[spurraider21]

George Hill for the 15th pick in a draft is a no brainer, tbh. 99% of the time, you don't get a Kawhi that late in the draft. Chances are Pacers wouldn't have even drafted Leonard with that pick.except they did

[Chinook]

except they did

So was Chump an actual person, or was he just a role someone has to play like Pumpkinhead?

[spurraider21]

So was Chump an actual person, or was he just a role someone has to play like Pumpkinhead?:lol... i dont think chump would ever write a sentence without proper capitalization, punctuation, and even use of italics without offing hismelf

[Solid D]

except they did

According to one article I read on Grantland, even before pick #11, the Spurs had already agreed to send George Hill to the Pacers for Indiana’s no. 15 pick, but only if a particular player or players were still on the board. The Pacers didn't even know which player the Spurs wanted at #15, at that point.

[GSH]

According to one article I read on Grantland, even before pick #11, the Spurs had already agreed to send George Hill to the Pacers for Indiana’s no. 15 pick, but only if a particular player or players were still on the board. The Pacers didn't even know which player the Spurs wanted at #15, at that point.

:tu I thought about posting it, and decided not to get in the middle of that discussion, because I don't have a clue what they're talking about. (The ChumpDumper stuff.) Here it is: http://grantland.com/features/analyzing-kawhi-leonard-george-hill-trade-2013-conference-finals/

[Chinook]

According to one article I read on Grantland, even before pick #11, the Spurs had already agreed to send George Hill to the Pacers for Indiana’s no. 15 pick, but only if a particular player or players were still on the board. The Pacers didn't even know which player the Spurs wanted at #15, at that point.

They definitely didn't. But Bird apparently said that he loved Leonard and considered reneging like he had with George the previous season. Probably just retroactive back-patting, though.

[DAF86]

except they did

I don't remember how it went. The Pacers traded Leonard for Hill after they drafted him? I thought the Spurs had traded for the pick before drafting Kawhi. Either way, Pacers could have pretty well drafted Kawhi under Spurs orders, tbh.

I don't see the Pacers drafting Kawhi with George and Granger on their roster.

[GSH]

I don't remember how it went. The Pacers traded Leonard for Hill after they drafted him? I thought the Spurs had traded for the pick before drafting Kawhi. Either way, Pacers could have pretty well drafted Kawhi under Spurs orders, tbh.

I don't see the Pacers drafting Kawhi with George and Granger on their roster.


According to the article, the Pacers wanted Hill, and were trying to make a deal with SA - but they didn't know which player the Spurs were holding out for. When it got to them, and Kawhi was still there, they thought about just picking him for themselves. But it says that they made a deal before the pick, they picked Kawhi, and the deal was announced before Kawhi could even make it to the stage.

Again - according to the article. I think it's probably right, but who knows?

[Solid D]

The Spurs did miss out on a couple of guys in that draft. Taking Bertans with the traded pick was great, but retrospect thinking would have been Jimmy Butler instead of Cory Joseph and Isaiah Thomas instead of a very talented Adam Hanga.

[DAF86]

The Spurs did miss out on a couple of guys in that draft. Taking Bertans with the traded pick was great, but retrospect thinking would have been Jimmy Butler instead of Cory Joseph and Isaiah Thomas instead of a very talented Adam Hanga.

Damn, almost an entire starting line-up in one draft.

[BillMc]

The Spurs did miss out on a couple of guys in that draft. Taking Bertans with the traded pick was great, but retrospect thinking would have been Jimmy Butler instead of Cory Joseph and Isaiah Thomas instead of a very talented Adam Hanga.


Damn, almost an entire starting line-up in one draft.

Not related but speaking of drafting, I'm still pissed we missed Gobert by one slot a few years later. It would have solved soooo many problems long term.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Brogdon and the Spurs seemed like the proverbial marriage made in heaven. I personally could not wait to root for a guy from my alma mater wearing a Spurs uniform. I was crushed when RC passed on him. If you're interested, I'll try to find the newspaper article and post it up here.

It'll be great if you can find that article.

I agree it appeared to be a proverbial marriage made in heaven. And rare is a draftee who professes a desire to play for the Spurs. Perhaps PATFO were feeling the stigma of drafting another such Spursy type point guard who was supposed "slow" and "unathletic" but is long and has high BBIQ and an old man's game, after the 30th pick in the 2014 draft. It's almost like they didn't even check the guy out.

Brogdon's supposedly slow first step looked okay here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSirx-A644A

And his lack of athleticism did not seem a hindrance in finishing this play:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ix-xMQjU9A

[TheDoctor]

It'll be great if you can find that article.

I agree it appeared to be a proverbial marriage made in heaven. And rare is a draftee who professes a desire to play for the Spurs. Perhaps PATFO were feeling the stigma of drafting another such Spursy type point guard who was supposed "slow" and "unathletic" but is long and has high BBIQ and an old man's game, after the 30th pick in the 2014 draft. It's almost like they didn't even check the guy out.

Brogdon's supposedly slow first step looked okay here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSirx-A644A

And his lack of athleticism did not seem a hindrance in finishing this play:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ix-xMQjU9A

Damn:wow

[sasaint]

It'll be great if you can find that article.

I agree it appeared to be a proverbial marriage made in heaven. And rare is a draftee who professes a desire to play for the Spurs. Perhaps PATFO were feeling the stigma of drafting another such Spursy type point guard who was supposed "slow" and "unathletic" but is long and has high BBIQ and an old man's game, after the 30th pick in the 2014 draft. It's almost like they didn't even check the guy out.

Brogdon's supposedly slow first step looked okay here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSirx-A644A

And his lack of athleticism did not seem a hindrance in finishing this play:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ix-xMQjU9A

Here it is. It is pretty long, and it doesn't focus on basketball, but it is a terrific "character" piece:

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/uva/dp-spt-malcolm-brogdon-profile-20160316-story.html

Enjoy!

[Snaq O'Meal]

Here it is. It is pretty long, and it doesn't focus on basketball, but it is a terrific "character" piece:

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/uva/dp-spt-malcolm-brogdon-profile-20160316-story.html

Enjoy!

Thanks for the link.

By the way, I found that tweet:

730086756977102848

[sasaint]

Wow! Thanks. The Stars were perfectly aligned. How did it not Happen?!?!?! Smh!

[CGD]

Lol, I was there in the late seventies!

Awesome man! Did they even have the Lawn back then ;-) jk. Nice to read a fellow Hoo on this forum.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Wow! Thanks. The Stars were perfectly aligned. How did it not Happen?!?!?! Smh!

We can thank PATFO for that.

Brogdon had a decent game today with 17 pts, 6 rbs and 6 ast while shooting 60% from 3-point range. Could've been the Spurs' point guard for the future.

[objective]

Brogden is already better than Parker and Mills, I'd take him over both right now. Hell, the guy I wanted, GPII, I think I'd still take.

Didn't know Brogden could play point, most draft previews had him as a 2 or 3 that I remember. I was off big time in a big way.

The age thing on draft picks stopped bothering me when I researched and saw that the Spurs only give second contracts to draft picks who are stars or key contributors like Tiago, everyone else they junk. Beno, Cory, Blair, Ian, Nandi ... All could play a role in the NBA, Spurs didn't care. Might as well get someone who can contribute immediately instead of spending 3 years polishing Cory or Dejounte and never have their best years.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Brogden is already better than Parker and Mills, I'd take him over both right now. Hell, the guy I wanted, GPII, I think I'd still take.

Didn't know Brogden could play point, most draft previews had him as a 2 or 3 that I remember. I was off big time in a big way.

They compared his playmaking and BBIQ to Andre Miller in the pre-draft workouts. He has the length and bulk of a wing player, but was quick enough to guard quick PGs like Cat Barber.

[MaNu4Tres]

Lets be real, if Spurs drafted Brogden, hed be in Austin.

It wouldnt be fair to Parker, Patty, Manu, Simmons or Anderson. Tbh..

Hell, we are probably saying the same thing about Murray if he was getting quality time and performing elsewhere.

[Chinook]

I think Brogdon would be playing next to Manu. Dude would be dominating the D-league just like Murray is, but he'd also be a more pro-ready prospect with an established role as a shooter/defensive stopper. Murray may yet (and hopefully will) turn out to be a better player, but I think Malcolm would be more Kawhi and less Joseph in terms of how the Spurs handled him.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think Brogdon would be playing next to Manu. Dude would be dominating the D-league just like Murray is, but he'd also be a more pro-ready prospect with an established role as a shooter/defensive stopper. Murray may yet (and hopefully will) turn out to be a better player, but I think Malcolm would be more Kawhi and less Joseph in terms of how the Spurs handled him.

That is if you were the coach, but you should know Pop by now.

No way Pop has Brogden ahead of Mills, Simmons, Anderson by midseason in his rookie year.

[Brazil]

Not related but speaking of drafting, I'm still pissed we missed Gobert by one slot a few years later. It would have solved soooo many problems long term.

it could have been worst tbh... we could have traded his pick for a 46th, a bit of cash and Erik Green :lmao

[BillMc]

it could have been worst tbh... we could have traded his pick for a 46th, a bit of cash and Erik Green :lmao
True that.

[Brazil]

True that.

new avatar mate ? who are they ?

[Dre_7]

Who cares about Brogdon? In a few years Murray is going to make you forget all about Brogdon. It will be worth the wait.

[BillMc]

new avatar mate ? who are they ?

Two models from Kharkov, Ukraine. That picture is up in my gym where the manager "claims" they work out, though I've never seen them. (Though to be fair, I never get much to the gym). The blonde's name is Alena and does live in Kharkov, and this is a Kharkov's most ritsy gym so it's possible. Anyway, it's a advertisement for women's black and white elegant clothing here.

I just PMed you a link to her twitter page.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Who cares about Brogdon? In a few years Murray is going to make you forget all about Brogdon. It will be worth the wait.

That's true. Murray will make us want to forget all these had happened. PATFO have a great track record of discovering and developing gems from late first rounds of the draft, like LJC and Anderson. We can hardly wait.

[Dancelot]

That's true. Murray will make us want to forget all these had happened. PATFO have a great track record of discovering and developing gems from late first rounds of the draft, like LJC and Anderson. We can hardly wait.
:lol I see your point, but Murray will end being better than those 2 busts. I hope.

[dabom]

Who cares about Brogdon? In a few years Murray is going to make you forget all about Brogdon. It will be worth the wait.

[Dre_7]

That's true. Murray will make us want to forget all these had happened. PATFO have a great track record of discovering and developing gems from late first rounds of the draft, like LJC and Anderson. We can hardly wait.

Lmao! Those two didn't have the same potential as Murray does. I was thinking more along the lines of Manu Ginobili, or Tiago Splitter (minus the injury proneness lol), or more recently Davis Bertans .

[TheDoctor]

Lmao! Those two didn't have the same potential as Murray does. I was thinking more along the lines of Manu Ginobili, or Tiago Splitter (minus the injury proneness lol), or more recently Davis Bertans .

You went deep there Dre. Comparing Murray to a future HoF :toast

[Dre_7]

You went deep there Dre. Comparing Murray to a future HoF :toast

I was just speaking in terms of potential. Not saying he will be as good as Manu. But he has the potential to be great.

[NameLess Scrub]

Just wait until Brogdon in his 30's and sign him. That's the spursian thing to do.

[NameLess Scrub]

These are very good points especially about the perceptions of the trades at the time. For the first 2 or 3 years Hill-Leonard was touted as an example of a "win-win" trade. That was when Indiana was playing well and getting to the ECF. Since Indiana has faltered and Kawhi's blossomed the perspective has changed naturally. And, your right, no one knew Marc would be so good. At the time everyone thought it was robbery and Jerry West doing a favor for his old team the Lakers, much like McHale gave the Celtics KG for practically nothing.

I haven't changed my mind on that. Even if the Grizz knew Marc was a good player, they gave the Lakers an instant title ready team that won 2 titles and could have won 3 or 4.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Just wait until Brogdon in his 30's and sign him. That's the spursian thing to do.

So that he can be Parker's backup?

[Trueblood]

:lol I see your point, but Murray will end being better than those 2 busts. I hope.

I'm pretty sure he will be. His shot is a little off and he's turnover prone but those are both things the spurs system works well at fixing. His talent is there. He will only be limited by his work ethic...

[TimDunkem]

Stop spreading the myth that Murray's shot is off. He's already improved it greatly...

[TimDunkem]

I'm pretty sure he will be. His shot is a little off and he's turnover prone
24 pts, 1 TO. :nope

[Snaq O'Meal]

Stop spreading the myth that Murray's shot is off. He's already improved it greatly...

Murray had a fantastic game today!

I hope he can keep that up. More importantly, I hope Pop can pull his head outta his ass and give our young rookie more playing time to gain the necessary experience and exposure.

[NameLess Scrub]

So that he can be Parker's backup?

Didn't think that far, but yes :lol

[ElNono]

Kids gonna be pretty good :wow

[Chinook]

It took a while, but the trade finally caught up to him:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245777/Larry-Bird-Stepping-Down-As-President-Of-Pacers


Larry Bird Stepping Down As President Of PacersAPR 28, 2017 12:37 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Bird_Larry_ind_130727.jpg
Larry Bird will step down as president of the Indiana Pacers with Kevin Pritchard taking over basketball operations.
Bird is expected to continue working for the Pacers as a consultant. Bird was head coach of the Pacers in the late 1990s and returned to the team in 2003 as President of Basketball Operations. Bird left the Pacers in 2012 due to health issues before returning a year later.


Pritchard previously ran the Portland Trail Blazers and joined the Pacers in 2011. In 2012, Pritchard was promoted to general manager working under Bird.

[Brazil]

best trade ever :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Pritch-slapped!

[$pursDynasty]

It took a while, but the trade finally caught up to him:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245777/Larry-Bird-Stepping-Down-As-President-Of-Pacers
As the KingSlayer continues to ascend it makes the Birdman look worse and worse, the kicker...now Davis is contributing and Hill is with the Jazz.

[dabom]

Trade away the League MVP. :lmao

[Thomas82]

As the KingSlayer continues to ascend it makes the Birdman look worse and worse, the kicker...now Davis is contributing and Hill is with the Jazz.

What would be even funnier is if George Hill ever found his way back to the Spurs with Kawhi and Davis still on the team. It would be kinda reminiscent of the Sean Elliott/Dennis Rodman trade in 1993, only to get Sean back after a year in Detroit.

[RC_Drunkford]

the gift that keeps on giving tbh DeRozan, Poeltl and Bertans for George Hill (and Danny Green's expiring). Trade still looking good

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

the gift that keeps on giving tbh DeRozan, Poeltl and Bertans for George Hill (and Danny Green's expiring). Trade still looking good

True. Good point.

[marinoman]

Seeing dabom’s name in pink makes me smile

[SpurPadre]

We should've held on to Paul George, tbh.

[hooperflash]

We should've held on to Paul George, tbh.
​it still hurts, tbh...

[JPB]

lorbek should be a steal

Ouch.

[flox]

Ouch.
Whoops. Mistakes were made.