Official Boxing Thread

[Ashy Larry]

Wilder defends his title against Molina tonight in his first title defense. Anybody watching this?

Yeah. I caught it. It was like a voluntary bout. Being a title fight to your home state/city type of deal. Did what he had to do. Also scheduled to get some rounds in and test his wrist after the Stiverne fight. Dude bent the rods in his wrist. Lol.

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That's nice, but posting a quote from him in the last few weeks isn't relevant. Ward balked publicly at the matchup when he might have had an opportunity, then he had a long layoff, and now he wants in when the guys who were active are already lined up to fight. He's going to have to find a way to get his foot in the door, but Canelo or Cotto are ahead of him in line now. That's just how it is. You have a serious rooting interest in Ward, and I don't care either way.

All that said, GGG had better take one of those big fights soon, or what Ward said above will start to resonate with everyone, and he'll get labeled a coward. Also we'll know more about Ward when he's had another fight. He looked rusty in his comeback, but it's good to see him fight again.

[james evans]

ward beats the hell out of ggg any day of the week including sunday. If ward looked rusty in his last fight, how did ggg look against a feather fisted Monroe? Ward was obviously more skilled than his opponent, but that mf was easily a hw on fight night and he stopped him.

[Ashy Larry]

As much as I love SOG, it was still Paul Smith. Slow, sloppy and undisciplined. Granted, Ward needed to just get back into the ring but whether he was close to being a heavyweight or not, it's still Smith. As far as Golovkin facing pillow hands Monroe, he looked great in the fight. You could obviously see that dude was taking shots just to walk him down. Fighters tend to do that when the know you can't hurt them and that's what happened with Golovkin and Monroe. At the end of the day, it was Willie Monroe.

[Blizzardwizard]

Tyson Fury defeats Wladimir Klitschko to become Britain's seventh World Heavyweight champion. Seems likely it'll be an all British bout between Fury and Anthony Joshua for the title next year.

[I. Hustle]

Anyone going to the fights tomorrow? I'll be there beer in hand.

Curious to see how fatass Arreola does in his fight.

Been following Figueroa and definately want to see that fight.

I guess Ortiz too.

[Ashy Larry]

Hopefully we have a solid 2016:

possible scraps:

thurman v Porter
SOG v Kovalev
batman v superman
canelo v GGG
maybe even Manny v Bradley, even though Manny got him twice.

Cant wait to see what Crawford's got going on.

[UZER]

Tonight's fight should be entertaining.

[UZER]

Not a big fan of Danny Garcia, but he made some good adjustments mid fight. He looked good tonight, but it's not like Guerrero is sugar ray.

[Ashy Larry]

Not a big fan of Danny Garcia, but he made some good adjustments mid fight. He looked good tonight, but it's not like Guerrero is sugar ray.


Garcia did well. Faced an actual decent 147er even though Guerrero is not at he top of the class. Dude always comes to fight and applies good pressure. Thought Garcia handled it well but don't know how he'll fair against Thurman. I think he might get worked in that fight. Garcia has a pretty nice resume.

[Ashy Larry]

Kovalev basically tortured Pascal and said he would do it. Made Roach stop the fight. Stevenson gets in the ring talking shit. Dude don't wanna see Kovalev. Ward v Kovalev is where it's at.

[Ashy Larry]

Tyson Fury defeats Wladimir Klitschko to become Britain's seventh World Heavyweight champion. Seems likely it'll be an all British bout between Fury and Anthony Joshua for the title next year.


Like what I've seen from Joshua. Too bad politics stripped him of the IBF Title.

[Ashy Larry]

Canelo may murder Khan

[UZER]

Canelo may murder Khan

I hope so.

[Ashy Larry]

I hope so.

Khan can really screw up shit. He wins, it pushes back that potential GGG v Canelo in the fall. Also looks like SOG is gonna get two tune up fights before stepping to Kovalev in November.

[SD126]

Like what I've seen from Joshua. Too bad politics stripped him of the IBF Title.

Well Joshua will win that IBF strap in a couple of months

[Ashy Larry]

Well Joshua will win that IBF strap in a couple of months



Easy work. Charles Martin, IBF Heavyweight Champion. Lol. These sanctioning bodies are worse than the Olympics and FIFA.

[SD126]

Easy work. Charles Martin, IBF Heavyweight Champion. Lol. These sanctioning bodies are worse than the Olympics and FIFA.

Understatement. And Martin has no business carrying that strap, let alone fight fo it. Joshua puts his sorry ass back into mediocrity.

[Ashy Larry]

Crawford and Santa Cruz looked good this weekend. That Quigg Frampton scrap was brutal.

[Killakobe81]

ward with an easy win tonight. got touched a couple times ...and cut from a butt ...yet he still dominated.

[Ashy Larry]

Gotta wait until SOG step up in class of comp but he looked decent.

Manny my did what he did versus Bradley, who I think is the ultimate overachiever. Really 3-0 vs. Manny.

Check out Errol Spence going against Algeri tomorrow.

And look for you boy next weekend at the GGG card.

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Check out Errol Spence going against Algeri tomorrow.

That was ... surprising. Algieri looked completely outclassed. Gonna say Spence is legit until proven otherwise.

[Ashy Larry]

That was ... surprising. Algieri looked completely outclassed. Gonna say Spence is legit until proven otherwise.

hes pretty solid. Gave Floyd and broner the business in sparring. Floyd actually kicked him out his gym then brought him back in. Kid is slick. Algeri was a test. Now see how he fairs against Brook.

[SD126]

hes pretty solid. Gave Floyd and broner the business in sparring. Floyd actually kicked him out his gym then brought him back in. Kid is slick. Algeri was a test. Now see how he fairs against Brook.

Errol Spence is the goods

[SD126]

Gotta wait until SOG step up in class of comp but he looked decent.

He's supposedly fighting Nathan Cleverly July 30 as prep work for his big showdown with Kovalev later in the year.

[Ashy Larry]

He's supposedly fighting Nathan Cleverly July 30 as prep work for his big showdown with Kovalev later in the year.


Just st hope he can get back to Super Six form. Really his style is nothing special. 50% Ko mark for the most part. He gets major props for getting in the ring with that monster. Kovalev has been breaking people and is a complete dick in the ring. Down to earth dude outside though. He and Golovkin moved out here to So Cal.

[Ashy Larry]

Errol Spence is the goods

hes really gonna shake up 147. Division is too stacked not to have a good fight at least once every other month. He has a
Manditory against Ponomarev which he should win. Then he sees Brook. Kid is nice.

[Ashy Larry]

Damn, Ali passed.

[dbreiden83080]

The greatest is gone. May he rest in peace.

[TheGreatYacht]

Rest in peace to the greatest ever :depressed

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Bumaye.

[UZER]

Damn that Porter Thurman fight was sick. Thurman really showed me something tonight. I know he's got power, but he stayed composed and didn't let his control get away from him agsibst a guy that just constantly comes rushing in.

[Ashy Larry]

Damn that Porter Thurman fight was sick. Thurman really showed me something tonight. I know he's got power, but he stayed composed and didn't let his control get away from him agsibst a guy that just constantly comes rushing in.

was a really good fight. Think it was second to Vargas Salido. But it was a good scrap. Judges were all 115-113 on a close fight. Some judge would have judged this fight 118-110 and I know people would have been pissed. It was close across the board. I had it a draw 114-114. Should be a rematch coming up.

[UZER]

was a really good fight. Think it was second to Vargas Salido. But it was a good scrap. Judges were all 115-113 on a close fight. Some judge would have judged this fight 118-110 and I know people would have been pissed. It was close across the board. I had it a draw 114-114. Should be a rematch coming up.

I had it 115-113 but a draw would've been legit too. It was that close. I just feel Thurman landed the best big clean punches in the fight and when it's that close, those can swing it one way or the other.

[Ashy Larry]

I had it 115-113 but a draw would've been legit too. It was that close. I just feel Thurman landed the best big clean punches in the fight and when it's that close, those can swing it one way or the other.

yeah, if I had to choose a winner, I thought One Time landed the cleaner, sharper shots. Only way I saw Porter winning was to bully him for twelve rounds and he did. He has nothing to be ashamed of because of the loss. Keeps him where he is in the welterweight division. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if Porter got a title shot soon despite the loss. That's what you call a good loss.

[LakerHater]

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[oh crap]

Pumped for the Crawford fight next weekend. I just wonder what kind of PPV numbers it's going to pull in since he's not a known entity to casual fans.

[oh crap]

crawford fight tonight

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crawford fight tonight

He's sure a smart fighter. Reminds me of Chavez in that he'd take a round or two to figure you out and then pick you apart.

[Ashy Larry]

He's sure a smart fighter. Reminds me of Chavez in that he'd take a round or two to figure you out and then pick you apart.


Key word: patient. Dude is patient as hell and then BAM, you're in trouble.

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Key word: patient. Dude is patient as hell and then BAM, you're in trouble.

Agree. Kid's got it all. There's almost no limit to how good he can be. The only thing that might limit him is a lack of great opponents.

[Ashy Larry]

Agree. Kid's got it all. There's almost no limit to how good he can be. The only thing that might limit him is a lack of great opponents.

140 might be shaky even though there's still some decent comp there (Broner, Manny). He needs to get into that 47 sweep steaks. Problem with that is Arum is not in any hurry to have him fight Haymon fighters. So Broner at 40 and Thurman, Porter, Spence and Garcia is probably a no go. Look for the trilogy Crawford vs Jesse Vargas.

[Killakobe81]

First undercard tonight was entertainment...

[Killakobe81]

Great fight between Ward and Kovalev

[Ashy Larry]

Best fight on the undercard was actually the four rounder with Clarissa Shields. Lol

[Ashy Larry]

Gonna try to hit up that Loma Walters card ran by Uncle Bob.

[oh crap]

Terence Crawford vs Molina this weekend. Also fights on Showtime.

[ace3g]

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[Ashy Larry]

Yeah that shit by Smith with Hopkins was crazy. Then Hopkins was like my legs or knee got fucked up. kinda hard for them to get messed up when they never hit anything. They were straight in the air as the back of his dome hit the ground.

[UZER]

Canelo v Chavez jr? :lol

Mexicans don't run from fights so to save face from running from GGG, hes going after another Mexican with a biggest name just so all the Mexicans will watch and he can feel proud.

He's too afraid to move up 5 pounds to fight GGG, but will move up 10 to fight Chavez jr. And at that, will still be making Chavez come into the fight weak from making weight.

Now, as much a Chavez jr has been such a disappointment for laziness, this could be his Buster Douglas moment. That's only if, and only if, he trains like a lion for this fight. Dude has heavy hands and one punch that Canelo doesn't slip could change the fight. But that's a big if.

[Ashy Larry]

Canelo v Chavez jr? :lol

Mexicans don't run from fights so to save face from running from GGG, hes going after another Mexican with a biggest name just so all the Mexicans will watch and he can feel proud.

He's too afraid to move up 5 pounds to fight GGG, but will move up 10 to fight Chavez jr. And at that, will still be making Chavez come into the fight weak from making weight.

Now, as much a Chavez jr has been such a disappointment for laziness, this could be his Buster Douglas moment. That's only if, and only if, he trains like a lion for this fight. Dude has heavy hands and one punch that Canelo doesn't slip could change the fight. But that's a big if.


trying to add age on Golovkin. Fight with Chavez was smart from a bank account point of view. Face of boxing vs son of legendary Mexican fighter on Cinco de mayo.

Got a few good fights swinging through with Thurman vs. Garcia, GGG vs Jacobs and that Wilder card tonight wasn't half bad.

[david196520]

Best fight on the undercard was actually the four rounder with Clarissa Shields.
I love the boxing.

[Lorge1935]

Very nice fight.

[Lorge1935]

Happy to be member of this community.

[Ashy Larry]

Tank Davis vs Abner Mares at Stubhub. I’ll be there for that one.

[Texas eye]

Canelo fights are FIXED. Tonight was a joke

[Spurtacular]

What's embarrassing is that Lamar Odom is going 100 percent on this flower boy and that's all he can do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvF70LEAemo

[oh crap]

How'd we let this thread die? Anyone watching the Fury fight today? And that Valdez/Stevenson fight next weekend should be excellent!

[pgardn]

How'd we let this thread die? Anyone watching the Fury fight today? And that Valdez/Stevenson fight next weekend should be excellent!

Stevenson made him look like an amateur.
The difference in ability is astounding.
And Stevenson had plenty left in the tank after 12 rounds.

The kid showboated at the end of the fight, which I did not think was appropriate.
But then in his interview Stevenson had nothing but praise for Valdez. Said he was tough as hell and never gave up.
Then gently stated, Im just better. Which is clearly true.

I should also add Stevenson is much, much physically stronger in this division if Valdez is the best offer. He walked Valdez down and was unaffected by the few punches Valdez got in. So not only was Stevenson a better boxer, quicker, smarter, he is a hell of a lot stronger. Very lopsided.

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Yeah, very lopsided indeed. Thought Stevenson would easily win but had hoped it would have been more competitive. Stevenson dominated the fight but was pretty boring overall. The Serrano/Taylor fight ended up delivering much more action.

Canelo vs Bivol tonight. I think Canelo will probably win but Bivol could hurt him so we'll see.

[MarCowMar]

Bivol dismantled him. I didn't expect to see Canelo that befuddled.

Bivol's combos frequently didn't land flush but they came so fast that even if it's only like a 20% hit, you can tell it was pissing off Canelo. Bivol also very cautious and didn't allow himself to be setup for a counterpunch.

Also seemed like massive disrespect to Bivol's home country. Acting like he is from the US? Maybe a sanctions thing. Glad the fight was able to go through despite US geopolitical ignorance and arrogance.

[pgardn]

Yeah, very lopsided indeed. Thought Stevenson would easily win but had hoped it would have been more competitive. Stevenson dominated the fight but was pretty boring overall. The Serrano/Taylor fight ended up delivering much more action.

Canelo vs Bivol tonight. I think Canelo will probably win but Bivol could hurt him so we'll see.

Easy win for Bivol.
Canelo got against a guy longer and big who was a very disciplined but a consistently hard puncher.
Not even close. Canelo felt hard punches the entire fight and it was just way too much. And Canelo could not avoid them or catch Bivol coming in.
Bivol was the better mover. He was never really bothered.
If they had gone 15 rounds, like in years past, they would have stopped the fight imo.

Bivol is a really good boxer. He throws very stiff combinations in every round and the combinations go high and low. Very difficult for a smaller fighter who really never got a sniff at hurting his opponent.

Canelo needs to rethink this division. He cant stand there like that against a guy this good a boxer. And If there are any real boxer/heavy punchers in this division, Canelo must avoid them. Lighter weight divisions so Canelo does not feel the punches as much and his own punching power makes a difference. Boxing like a bull when you are so much smaller... nope.

[pgardn]

Bivol dismantled him. I didn't expect to see Canelo that befuddled.

Bivol's combos frequently didn't land flush but they came so fast that even if it's only like a 20% hit, you can tell it was pissing off Canelo. Bivol also very cautious and didn't allow himself to be setup for a counterpunch.

Also seemed like massive disrespect to Bivol's home country. Acting like he is from the US? Maybe a sanctions thing. Glad the fight was able to go through despite US geopolitical ignorance and arrogance.

The bolded. Absolutely.

Bivol is very skilled at moving out at exactly the right time, and then standing firm with hard combinations when his opponent is not able to counter. He was very, very good at this.

And totally agree. Its not like this guy is some sort of friend of Putin. Hes a boxer who has been here a while.

[pgardn]

Looked at the judges scorecard.... what a sham

Give Canelo 5 rounds automatically in Vegas.
Seriously, it could be argued that Bivol won every round except one.
That fight was not EVEN close. Its the GG fight judges again for Canelo.
Canelo is a really entertaining tough fighter. But the judges just giving him rounds ruins the image.

Boxing is still in the dark ages.

[pgardn]

Looked at the judges scorecard.... what a sham

Give Canelo 5 rounds automatically in Vegas.
Seriously, it could be argued that Bivol won every round except one.
That fight was not EVEN close. Its the GG fight judges again for Canelo.
Canelo is a really entertaining tough fighter. But the judges just giving him rounds ruins the image.

Boxing is still in the dark ages.

Canelo claims he would have fought differently if he knew he was behind on all the scorecards??????????
What a bunch of crap. He got completely out boxed and he does not know it???
Lost some respect for him. I like that he wanted to get out of its comfort zone and take on a new challenge but, Canelo? Hello? You got destroyed.

[benefactor]

Cordina hands Ogawa a sleeping pill
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[pgardn]

Reminder:

Kambosis v. Haney ~ 9:30 pm CT and its on ESPN so none of the PPV crap.

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Looks more like 10:30 CT

[pgardn]

A boxer v. a counter puncher who wants to brawl.
No contest.
All Haney.

Judges give anything else than Haney by a mile and it will be an embarrassment.

[pgardn]

Two judges gave it 116-112, thats way too close.
Anyways.
ALL Haney.

And a boring fight as Kambosis does not have the speed or skill or style to beat a real boxer.
Kambosis must fight a bomb thrower who takes risks to be effective.
or somehow get a lucky 1 punch KO to ever beat Haney.
I do NOT look forward to the rematch at all.

[Ashy Larry]

It was a yawn fest. But u disputed is undisputed especially doing it on the other side of the planet. He needs to fight Tank.

[pgardn]

Haney defeats Lomo in a very good fight.
Boxing at its best. Imo possibly a draw.

[lebomb]

What a joke. At the worst it was a draw. I was for Haney, but Loma won that fight 115-113 in my opinion.

Thats why I hate boxing and watch MMA.

[pgardn]

What a joke. At the worst it was a draw. I was for Haney, but Loma won that fight 115-113 in my opinion.

Thats why I hate boxing and watch MMA.

Can’t do that because Haney had the first five rounds at least.
And he won the last round.
The announcers completely overlooked the jabs Haney hit Lomo with, but Lomos face don’t lie.

The above being said I absolutely love the way Lomo fights. His movement to establish position is absolutely extraordinary.
I want to see it again. Those are two extraordinarily polished boxers. If you hated that fight you don’t like boxing. If you disagree with the outcome… that’s cool. Neither was close to being in real trouble and it was still fantastic. I don’t need a knockout or even a guy going down to enjoy this kind of fight.

[lebomb]

Can’t do that because Haney had the first five rounds at least.
And he won the last round.
The announcers completely overlooked the jabs Haney hit Lomo with, but Lomos face don’t lie.

The above being said I absolutely love the way Lomo fights. His movement to establish position is absolutely extraordinary.
I want to see it again. Those are two extraordinarily polished boxers. If you hated that fight you don’t like boxing. If you disagree with the outcome… that’s cool. Neither was close to being in real trouble and it was still fantastic. I don’t need a knockout or even a guy going down to enjoy this kind of fight.


Dude, I watched the fight with guys that box. Also, why are the majority of Pro boxers saying that result was BULLSH*Z. Even boxers who predicted Haney would win, or were friends of Haney said that was a bad decision. Loma was NEVER in trouble and pressed the fight the entire time. I saw Haney stumble his ass off in a few rounds. Dude was rocked and you know it.

[lebomb]

Can’t do that because Haney had the first five rounds at least.



Thats funny?, because Moretti who scored the fight 116-112 for Haney had Loma winning almost ALL of the first 5 rounds and gave round 10 to Haney. Round 10 Haney was rocked badly by Loma. Round 10 was the most decisive in the entire fight. Both of the other judges scored round 10 for Loma, as did the rest of all human kind on the planet. Explain that shiat????!!!!!

[pgardn]

Thats funny?, because Moretti who scored the fight 116-112 for Haney had Loma winning almost ALL of the first 5 rounds and gave round 10 to Haney. Round 10 Haney was rocked badly by Loma. Round 10 was the most decisive in the entire fight. Both of the other judges scored round 10 for Loma, as did the rest of all human kind on the planet. Explain that shiat????!!!!!

Blind refs just like you said.
And dude...

I also watched the fight with people who coached very goodboxers and coached me (very informally).
They said no such thing at all. Explain that shiat??? Guess it depends on who you hang with.
And dude.
Pro boxers can be some horrible analysts. Tim Bradley absolutely sucks. The opinion on him is he is just trying to fill space with his mouth.
He said some of the stupidest shit these guys had ever heard. And he was a very good boxer. Its usually the ex boxers who are not so good that become trainers?
Haney was not close to going down. That BS. Loma winced and covered up after getting hit with a superb body shots numerous times, do those count or did you just miss them.

Explain that shiat?

With that said most of the public was with Lomo. Its pretty obvious why. He fought a great fight. and served in Ukraine. comes back at his age and fights a great fight.
I would rather him win. But in any decision I definitely want to see that fight again.

[pgardn]

The real point is you dont understand the scoring system.
I would totally agree that the rounds Lomo won 10-9 were more dominating than the rounds Haney won 10-9. But they still count THE SAME.
But because neither fighter got hurt enough to take an 8 count there were NO 10-8 rounds.
Thats how these fights are scored. If you want a system that counts some 10-9 rounds as above others, there are diff scoring systems.

[lebomb]

I was pulling for Haney pre and during the fight. I even thought he lost.

[lebomb]

Garcia
Gervonte
Shakur

All beat Haneys a$$.

[pgardn]

Well thats fine.
But honestly if you want to GIVE a guy a fight it would be Lomo.
He has a much larger fan base and a world wide draw.
The only problem is that he is old. Haney has no big fanbase.

Seriously the compubox numbers have Lomo throwing about 160 more punches in the fight.
With only 9 more landed. This would have won Lomo an amateur or Olympic bout because he was more active.
But its a 10 point must system.

The real surprise here imo is that NO judges gave a draw or a winning card for Lomo. It was a unanimous decision. That was strange.
But I dont find Haney winning by a close margin a total farce at all. I have seen much, much worse decisions than this. This was a close fight.
And I can see how one might have Lomo the winner. But its not near as bad enough to make one just quit watching boxing. There are way, way more farcical decisions than this one.
I dont know how to emphasize how good the actual fight was. There should be zero disappointment in taking in this fight to view.
The outcome is a different subject for me.

I just want them to fight again.

[lebomb]

Its still a matter of opinion, but I will go with what I saw and what the vast majority of pro fighters at ringside saw. A win for Loma.

Have a great day.

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Loma got fucked.

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The real point is you dont understand the scoring system.
I would totally agree that the rounds Lomo won 10-9 were more dominating than the rounds Haney won 10-9. But they still count THE SAME.
But because neither fighter got hurt enough to take an 8 count there were NO 10-8 rounds.
Thats how these fights are scored. If you want a system that counts some 10-9 rounds as above others, there are diff scoring systems.
There isn't any rule that says a judge has to call a round 10-9. If they called a close round 10-9, a more decisive round 10-8, and a dominant round 10-7 it would almost eliminate these outcomes. It would also make a knockdown or a point deduction less impactful on the outcome.

But let's face it, boxing won't do that because it makes too much sense. This is, after all, the sport that changed championship fights to an even number of rounds and has 80-year-old politicians as judges.

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Well thats fine.
But honestly if you want to GIVE a guy a fight it would be Lomo.
He has a much larger fan base and a world wide draw.
The only problem is that he is old. Haney has no big fanbase.

Seriously the compubox numbers have Lomo throwing about 160 more punches in the fight.
With only 9 more landed. This would have won Lomo an amateur or Olympic bout because he was more active.
But its a 10 point must system.

The real surprise here imo is that NO judges gave a draw or a winning card for Lomo. It was a unanimous decision. That was strange.
But I dont find Haney winning by a close margin a total farce at all. I have seen much, much worse decisions than this. This was a close fight.
And I can see how one might have Lomo the winner. But its not near as bad enough to make one just quit watching boxing. There are way, way more farcical decisions than this one.
I dont know how to emphasize how good the actual fight was. There should be zero disappointment in taking in this fight to view.
The outcome is a different subject for me.

I just want them to fight again.

I watched the fight with my boys and told them that Loma would be crazy to let the fight go to the scorecards again.

[lebomb]

There isn't any rule that says a judge has to call a round 10-9. If they called a close round 10-9, a more decisive round 10-8, and a dominant round 10-7 it would almost eliminate these outcomes. It would also make a knockdown or a point deduction less impactful on the outcome.

But let's face it, boxing won't do that because it makes too much sense. This is, after all, the sport that changed championship fights to an even number of rounds and has 80-year-old politicians as judges.

I like it!!! Get it done niggras!!!

[pgardn]

There isn't any rule that says a judge has to call a round 10-9. If they called a close round 10-9, a more decisive round 10-8, and a dominant round 10-7 it would almost eliminate these outcomes. It would also make a knockdown or a point deduction less impactful on the outcome.

But let's face it, boxing won't do that because it makes too much sense. This is, after all, the sport that changed championship fights to an even number of rounds and has 80-year-old politicians as judges.

You have to really dominate a round to get 10-8. Knockdown or bell ending a slaughter.
I cant help it if boxing follows these rules. WE know what they are. You just stated they wont.
So in that case its silly.

Loma lost a close fight.
Your view is indeed obstructed.
Your beef is with boxing, not this fight. Because its way off.

You cannot seriously tell me you have seen many, many decisions that were absolutely horrific. Much more than this fight. If you think this was a horrible screw job, you really are not acquainted with boxing.
THIS fight was NOT in that category. It was a good fight. If Lomo had won, I would have still liked the fight. Who won does not really matter to me personally.
The quality of the fight does. And it was a good one.

[pgardn]

I like it!!! Get it done niggras!!!


It would still make for a mess.
Its still an opinion.
Its JUDGED. It requires JUDGES to decide who wins. Just like ice skating and gymnastics.
And the JUDGES are indeed part of the problem, but it will not change controversy, just like the other sports that are judged.
They do need a whole new system of picking judges. Not sure how it gets done because this sport is naturally corrupt just by the way fights are set up.
There is no one ruling body. There is no commissioner. And worst of all.... its judged.

Just think about Promoters. Thats the real problem. There is not one body, like the NFL that sets up the stage, the venues, the schedule, who gets to fight whom.

I realize this. I just go with the beauty of the sport itself. If you are really into outcomes this sport will treat you badly.
So great fight. Do it again (and hell yes I may be asking way too much to ask for another, promoters will determine this).

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You have to really dominate a round to get 10-8. Knockdown or bell ending a slaughter.
There is literally no rule stating that you have to dominate a round to get a 10-8 score. It is simply how they have always done it.


You cannot seriously tell me you have seen many, many decisions that were absolutely horrific. Much more than this fight. If you think this was a horrible screw job, you really are not acquainted with boxing.

I assume you missed the word not in that first sentence, because I've seen hundreds of fights in the last 40 years and I've seen dozens of terrible decisions. I'm watching a fight on Showtime right now and just saw an outcome I agreed with but by a margin that was embarrassing.


THIS fight was NOT in that category. It was a good fight. If Lomo had won, I would have still liked the fight. Who won does not really matter to me personally.
The quality of the fight does. And it was a good one.
It was a really good fight. It was a shit decision. Yeah, it wasn't the worst decision ever, but I'm puzzled how you defend bad decisions. I knew Loma would get screwed by the judges. And he did. Boxing is a great sport run by thieves, gangsters and cheats.

[lebomb]

I agree with Obstructed. Proof that the decision was bullshit was the look on Haney’s face after the fight was over he looked very very worried. Also when the decision was read, he went crazy because he knew that he should’ve lost the fight. That was joy of getting gifted a win.

Anyhow, I really don’t care because boxing is corrupt as f ck.

[pgardn]

There is literally no rule stating that you have to dominate a round to get a 10-8 score. It is simply how they have always done it.


I assume you missed the word not in that first sentence, because I've seen hundreds of fights in the last 40 years and I've seen dozens of terrible decisions. I'm watching a fight on Showtime right now and just saw an outcome I agreed with but by a margin that was embarrassing.


It was a really good fight. It was a shit decision. Yeah, it wasn't the worst decision ever, but I'm puzzled how you defend bad decisions. I knew Loma would get screwed by the judges. And he did. Boxing is a great sport run by thieves, gangsters and cheats.

Why would the judges be against Lomo?
He is by far a larger draw for future fights compared to Haney.

I will say it again. I thought it was a close fight. You know how it is judged, it does not matter if you want a 10-7 round. 10-8 and 10-7 rounds are absolute slaughters.
ANd I was the one that brought up that the 10-9 rounds in favor were more in Lomos favor. But I know how the fights are scored. Your system can still result in screw jobs. In fact it gives the judges more latitude to do so as they can really change a fight even more.

I do like that I have ignited the boxing section.

I really like Lomo. He goes away and no one even thinks about those lower divisions right now. He has a much better resume than Haney. Again. I just like good fights. The outcome will kill you if you are dead set on one boxer. I remember the Pac Mayweather shit that went back and forth that saw both fighters out of their prime when they finally fought. That was extraordinarily disappointing. People were all over Mayweather for ducking. People were all over Pac for doping. I actually enjoyed Mayweather fights because he was so good defensively. And I really loved Pac fights because he really was an outstanding aggressive fighter. They were very different and I loved both styles. I like the sport, its super difficult.

Lets see the fight in question again and I hope its even better.

[pgardn]

I agree with Obstructed. Proof that the decision was bullshit was the look on Haney’s face after the fight was over he looked very very worried. Also when the decision was read, he went crazy because he knew that he should’ve lost the fight. That was joy of getting gifted a win.

Anyhow, I really don’t care because boxing is corrupt as f ck.

It is horribly corrupt.
But if you can accept that and just watch the fights and not worry about the decisions its much more satisfying.
Boxing tries to get fans just like MMA. They make one of the guys out to be a villain. Its totally silly.
Then the fighter whos promoter does the fight has control over the decision, and decisions are made by how popular they can make a boxer.
Pac being a politician and savior, Mayweather all about money and basically being a horrible person.

Boxing itself does not need to have this kind of shit to interest me.
And we really dont need to give our resumes or who we watch the fights with as it will probably end in a draw if you really watch fights with people who teach the sport. Because they can be as slanted as a casual fan. There are great stories about the Ayalas here in San Antonio that are just horrific. But they knew their boxing. Until scrambled brains and drugs.

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Why would the judges be against Lomo?
He is by far a larger draw for future fights compared to Haney.

I will say it again. I thought it was a close fight. You know how it is judged, it does not matter if you want a 10-7 round. 10-8 and 10-7 rounds are absolute slaughters.
ANd I was the one that brought up that the 10-9 rounds in favor were more in Lomos favor. But I know how the fights are scored. Your system can still result in screw jobs. In fact it gives the judges more latitude to do so as they can really change a fight even more.

I do like that I have ignited the boxing section.

I really like Lomo. He goes away and no one even thinks about those lower divisions right now. He has a much better resume than Haney. Again. I just like good fights. The outcome will kill you if you are dead set on one boxer. I remember the Pac Mayweather shit that went back and forth that saw both fighters out of their prime when they finally fought. That was extraordinarily disappointing. People were all over Mayweather for ducking. People were all over Pac for doping. I actually enjoyed Mayweather fights because he was so good defensively. And I really loved Pac fights because he really was an outstanding aggressive fighter. They were very different and I loved both styles. I like the sport, its super difficult.

Lets see the fight in question again and I hope its even better.
I think you and I agree that we each resolved long ago to enjoying the boxing during the fight in spite of the judging afterward. My suggestion would probably solve the accidentally bad decisions, but you and I both know the intentionally bad decisions are what makes the business of boxing suck. There will always be a Don King lurking.

[pgardn]

I think you and I agree that we each resolved long ago to enjoying the boxing during the fight in spite of the judging afterward. My suggestion would probably solve the accidentally bad decisions, but you and I both know the intentionally bad decisions are what makes the business of boxing suck. There will always be a Don King lurking.

Absolutely.
Promoters have kept some super fights from ever happening.
And they get their weasely hands on judges.

[lebomb]

Beating a dead horse I presume, because if nothing has changed to this point it never will.

I will watch MMA. I'm done with Boxing.

[pgardn]

Beating a dead horse I presume, because if nothing has changed to this point it never will.

I will watch MMA. I'm done with Boxing.

So you did not like the fight? forget the outcome... the fight was no good?

[GAustex]

Power Slap fighting is where it’s at

[lebomb]

So you did not like the fight? forget the outcome... the fight was no good?


Yes it was good, but DONT charge me to watch a rigged fight. Make all boxing exhibitions as well. These very sketchy score cards happen way too often. Everyone knows what is going on.

:rolleyes

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Yes it was good, but DONT charge me to watch a rigged fight. Make all boxing exhibitions as well. These very sketchy score cards happen way too often. Everyone knows what is going on.

:rolleyes
The last fight I paid for had one boxer biting another boxer twice and getting disqualified. Ipvanish, Kodi, and The Crew are the trick.

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Beating a dead horse I presume, because if nothing has changed to this point it never will.

I will watch MMA. I'm done with Boxing.
I've gotten to the point where I quite like UFC, but I still prefer a great boxing match.

[pgardn]

I like both.

But they are both easy to cheat on.
I would never bet on one of these events.

I get your stance Lebomb.

I almost can see Haney getting paid for giving that shove that cost him.
They have to keep interest up in these things. In order to do this there is a lot of pretend hate and show it in public. there is zero reason to make them weigh in and do publicity together other than to let them scream and shove. It does not require this imo if both boxers are really good an pair well in style.

[lebomb]

I like both.

But they are both easy to cheat on.
I would never bet on one of these events.

I get your stance Lebomb.

I almost can see Haney getting paid for giving that shove that cost him.
They have to keep interest up in these things. In order to do this there is a lot of pretend hate and show it in public. there is zero reason to make them weigh in and do publicity together other than to let them scream and shove. It does not require this imo if both boxers are really good an pair well in style.

:toast

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So Spence vs Crawford. Anyone else as excited as I am for it? This feels like Tyson/Holyfield or Whittaker/Chavez. Fortunately it's happening before anyone's over the hill.

I like Spence, but I love Crawford. I think the only chance Spence has is if Bud doesn't take his training seriously, which I don't think I've seen him do thus far. I'll go back and watch some more of Spence's fights to get some info.

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Naoya Inoue is a bad motherfucker. He just went up four weight classes and dismantled the champion with ease.

[lebomb]

For me, from the fights I have seen PFP right now is:

1. Crawford
2. Shakur Stevenson
3. Gervonte Davis
4. Inoue
5. Alvarez

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I really like Shakur, but not sure if he has a signature win yet. He beat up smaller guys and is now being ducked, but he has whipped who they put in front of him. Gervonta is amazing to watch. Bud is an all time great. Usyk and Beturbiev have fights coming up, but might be special. Canelo is frighteningly overrated IMHO.

[lebomb]

I really like Shakur, but not sure if he has a signature win yet. He beat up smaller guys and is now being ducked, but he has whipped who they put in front of him. Gervonta is amazing to watch. Bud is an all time great. Usyk and Beturbiev have fights coming up, but might be special. Canelo is frighteningly overrated IMHO.


Great points Obstructed. I agree with all of your takes. I have only seen highlights of Inoue, so Im going off of that only. :toast

[lebomb]

Oh yeah, by the way. Crawford beat the brakes off of Spence, he laid dem hands on Spences piehole, he dropped dem 5th ward B's on Spence. I never in a million years saw an arsewhoopin of biblical proportions like that on Spence. Crawford is the truth!!! :claw

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Great points Obstructed. I agree with all of your takes. I have only seen highlights of Inoue, so Im going off of that only. :toast
I was exactly the same on Inoue until last week when I saw him go up yet another weight class and completely pummel the champion like it was a sparring session. If there is anyone approaching Bud, it's likely him.

[pgardn]

Good stuff. ^