Trade Deadline Deals and Rumors

[Sean Cagney]

None of the players (Smith or Al Jefferson) really make sense from a reality perspective IMO. I think that is why you won't see anymore prominent "insert name" to Spurs rumors heading toward the deadline. No issues with me as this team is really damn good if healthy.

BINGO! I never get into that Spurs are the frontrunners for crap, seems to never come out to be true. I could care less either, this team is good and this could break up the Chemistry.

[Brunodf]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard) In talks with ATL for Josh Smith, Wizards have said all but 3 players available: J Wall, B Beal & Nene

K.Seraphin and J.Crawford are good/young/cheap players...

[ace3g]

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA) The Magic and Knicks have discussed a J.J. Redick for Iman Shumpert trade. Other players (and maybe a third team) would have to be involved.

[Sean Cagney]

Yep, that's why it makes sense to push for the #1 seed so LAC can take down the FThunderfags & we can destroy LAC in the WCF & curbstomp MIA in the finals.

LOL wishful thinking there, only if it were that easy.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Brunodf

i dunno if it's cause of your sig being in hd. maybe it's just that my computer sucks. probably both, and don't take this as a request for you to change it. but your posts always lock up my screen, and it sucks. anybody else have that problem?

[Obstructed_View]

Brunodf

i dunno if it's cause of your sig being in hd. maybe it's just that my computer sucks. probably both, and don't take this as a request for you to change it. but your posts always lock up my screen, and it sucks. anybody else have that problem?

I think you can click on the little X in his post to hide his sig.

[Obstructed_View]

How come SJax massive expiring contract never seems to get mentioned in trade rumors? As a player, he doesn't appear all that valuable, and especially with the new luxury tax penalties under the new CBA I'm sure there's plenty of teams wanting to take on his expiring deal for some cap space.

I'm wondering what trade rumor you've been looking at that DIDN'T mention Jack's expiring tbh.

[Splits]

Speaking of Jack, where the hell is he? (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/02/19/healthy-2nd-half-is-spurs-no-1-goal/)


Notebook: Small forward Stephen Jackson did not accompany the team on its flight to Sacramento, and it is uncertain when or if he will rejoin the rodeo road trip. Jackson remains out on personal business, which caused him to miss the final two games before the All-Star break as well.

No news at all.

[Manu-20]

Speaking of Jack, where the hell is he? (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/02/19/healthy-2nd-half-is-spurs-no-1-goal/)



No news at all.

Just based on his tweet losing a child is the worst thing that can happen to u I really hope it's nothing that horrible going on with him, hoping this is just some plan by pop to get him to rest his finger but I doubt it hopefully we find out what's going on with him soon.

[Bruno]

If it follows previous years pattern, talks should heat up today with possibly a first trade made.

Regarding Spurs, and for the first time in years, I would have no issue with Spurs standing pat at this trade deadline. Few weeks ago, I wanted them to trade Neal but it isn't an as obvious decision with Manu's recent injuries. Spurs have a very good team and I just don't see an obvious realistic trade that would make them significantly better.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Speaking of Jack, where the hell is he? (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/02/19/healthy-2nd-half-is-spurs-no-1-goal/)



No news at all.

I really hope it's not his promotion of his new album; but then again I also hope it's nothing too serious..

[superbigtime]

Just based on his tweet losing a child is the worst thing that can happen to u I really hope it's nothing that horrible going on with him, hoping this is just some plan by pop to get him to rest his finger but I doubt it hopefully we find out what's going on with him soon.

That would be awful, for anyone but especially Jack. I really doubt Spurs would trade Jack if such a life altering event has occurred.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I think you can click on the little X in his post to hide his sig.

thanks for that

[Bruno]

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[Mel_13]

A feature at hoopshype that I had noticed before. Click on the picture of the player to see associated rumors:

http://hoopshype.com/trade_deadline.htm

[BatManu20]

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No one in their right mind would take on that contract, especially with how he's played this season. The Nets have shot themselves in the foot with all the bloated contracts they've given Williams, Lopez, Johnson, Wallace, and Humphries.

[Bruno]

No one in their right mind would take on that contract, especially with how he's played this season. The Nets have shot themselves in the foot with all the bloated contracts they've given Williams, Lopez, Johnson, Wallace, and Humphries.

It's about Derrick Williams, not Deron.

[Strategic]

:rollin

[TD 21]

If it follows previous years pattern, talks should heat up today with possibly a first trade made.

Regarding Spurs, and for the first time in years, I would have no issue with Spurs standing pat at this trade deadline. Few weeks ago, I wanted them to trade Neal but it isn't an as obvious decision with Manu's recent injuries. Spurs have a very good team and I just don't see an obvious realistic trade that would make them significantly better.

Same. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be seeing if there's a steal of a deal out there (as I'm sure they're doing), but I don't think they need to be actively pursuing anything.

[BatManu20]

It's about Derrick Williams, not Deron.

:shootme

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

I would not mind picking up Derrick Williams.

[BatManu20]

According to a report from Ken Berger of CBS Sports, there's a possible deal on the table (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/303939430664777729)between the Milwaukee Bucks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/milwaukee-bucks) and the Orlando Magic (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/orlando-magic) that would send J.J. Redick (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21613/j-j-redick) to Milwaukee in return for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a future first-round pick. However, that deal would reportedly depend (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/303939583639420928) on the Bucks finding a home for Monta Ellis (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21527/monta-ellis).

That may end up being too high a hurdle to clear in the next few days, as Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports is reporting that Milwaukee doesn't have much going on (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-power-rankings--spurs-have-staying-power-172638648.html) in terms of possible deals for either Ellis or Brandon Jennings (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71910/brandon-jennings).


http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/2/19/4005672/nba-trade-rumors-2013-jj-redick-brandon-jennings-monta-ellis

[baseline bum]

Regarding Spurs, and for the first time in years, I would have no issue with Spurs standing pat at this trade deadline. Few weeks ago, I wanted them to trade Neal but it isn't an as obvious decision with Manu's recent injuries. Spurs have a very good team and I just don't see an obvious realistic trade that would make them significantly better.

I gotta agree. The only move I could see making sense is trading Splitter for a player they'd rather pay max to in case Portland throws Hibbert money at him next summer; but Josh Smith isn't the kind of player I'd want to do that with and I don't see anyone realistic who is.

[BatManu20]

Just posted this in the Josh Smith thread. Thought I'd add it here too:

Ric Bucher ‏@RicBucher (https://twitter.com/RicBucher)
Not sure if the Spurs make a deal before Thursday, but a source says it won't be for Josh Smith or Al Jefferson.

"The Jefferson rumor never had substance to it because it would've put San Antonio into a difficult salary-cap position. The Smith interest apparently died upon discovering that Josh simply didn't have the requisite Spurs' DNA. Former NBA coach Sam Mitchell told me today that playing for the Spurs would be a great benefit to Smith and I agree; he's never struck me as a malcontent or bad guy or purposely undisciplined. He might not have Spurs' DNA now, but I believe he wouldn't reject a transfusion and it would make the most of the raw talent he clearly has."

[BatManu20]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Sources: Knicks showing strong interest in Phx's Jermaine O'Neal...Phx also talking w/Toronto about moving Sebastian Telfair


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Phoenix has talked with ATL about Josh Smith, but deal is very inlikely, sources say.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Sources say Boston willing to trade injured PG Rajon Rondo in right deal. Wizards looking to move Jordan Crawford.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Other players who are on trade market, sources say: Brooklyn's Humphries, Philly's E Turner, Charlotte's Ben Gordon & Gerald Henderson.....

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
(con't) Bulls' Hamilton, Dallas' Kaman, Denver's Mozgov, Indy's Gerald Green, Bucks' Mbah a Moute, Monte Ellis, OKC's Eric Maynor.......

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
(con't) Spurs' DeJuan Blair, Toronto's Bargnani, Utah's Jefferson & Millsap...

[BatManu20]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Bucks willing to move Ellis bc he turned down Milwaukee's 2-yr contract extension. Ellis wanted to play out the season.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
And of course, Orlando's Redick, along with Minny's Derrick Williams are available

[Seventyniner]

"The Jefferson rumor never had substance to it because it would've put San Antonio into a difficult salary-cap position.

Jackson + Bonner + Joseph + pick(s) for Jefferson is a wash salary-wise, leaving the Spurs below the tax. I can see why Utah wouldn't go for that, though.

[Chinook]

(As anyone who reads the Think Tank knows) I'd totally take Mbah a Moute if the asking price was just expiring contracts. I'd much rather have him on the bench than Bonner, as he is what people want Leonard to become defensively.

[BatManu20]

(As anyone who reads the Think Tank knows) I'd totally take Mbah a Moute if the asking price was just expiring contracts. I'd much rather have him on the bench than Bonner, as he is what people want Leonard to become defensively.

Hell I would've traded Bonner and our 1st round pick for Mbah a Moute. Something tells me we're going to need his length and athleticism for defense in the playoffs, especially for Durant.

[baseline bum]

Hell I would've traded Bonner and our 1st round pick for Mbah a Moute. Something tells me we're going to need his length and athleticism for defense in the playoffs, especially for Durant.

That first will be worthless in this awful draft. I'd give Milwaukee that first and Bonner for a trade exception if they had any caproom.

[jermaine]

I'd take Green from Indy

[ace3g]

OT but Raptors have won 5 in a row, Grizz about to have 4 in a row; looks like trade working out for both teams.

[Chinook]

OT but Raptors have won 5 in a row, Grizz about to have 4 in a row; looks like trade working out for both teams.

I would be concerned about Toronto. Gay and Derozan went 19-43 to net 48 points. Since the trade, Terrence Ross has gotten very little playing time. They need to make some more moves to fix their offensive issues.

[macdude06]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Sources: Knicks showing strong interest in Phx's Jermaine O'Neal...Phx also talking w/Toronto about moving Sebastian Telfair


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Phoenix has talked with ATL about Josh Smith, but deal is very inlikely, sources say.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Sources say Boston willing to trade injured PG Rajon Rondo in right deal. Wizards looking to move Jordan Crawford.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Other players who are on trade market, sources say: Brooklyn's Humphries, Philly's E Turner, Charlotte's Ben Gordon & Gerald Henderson.....

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
(con't) Bulls' Hamilton, Dallas' Kaman, Denver's Mozgov, Indy's Gerald Green, Bucks' Mbah a Moute, Monte Ellis, OKC's Eric Maynor.......

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
(con't) Spurs' DeJuan Blair, Toronto's Bargnani, Utah's Jefferson & Millsap...


Whats the deal with Mozgov? Would he even be valuble as a big for us? Honestly havent seen him play lately.

[hooperflash]

Basically follow CB on Twitter ! :lol

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Latest Yahoo! Sports NBA trade deadline buzz. http://tinyurl.com/aqr2xrv (http://t.co/XLvAJhgY)

[BatManu20]

The San Antonio Spurs will likely move forward DeJuan Blair close to the deadline, ultimately accepting the best final offer for him, sources said. Blair has wanted a trade for more than a year, and clearly will not re-sign with the Spurs as a free agent this summer.
The Spurs had tried to canvass the market for a first-round pick, but have relented on that demand. The Spurs could get a second-round pick, or perhaps a player on an expiring deal in return. - Adrian Wojnarowski

EDIT: To elaborate on ace3g

[jesterbobman]

Beaten to it.

Sacramento may be Blair's last game as a Spur.

[jesterbobman]

Also: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226216/Source-Spurs-Wont-Acquire-Josh-Smith-Al-Jefferson

The San Antonio Spurs have been linked to trade discussions for Josh Smith and Al Jefferson, but a source the team won't pursue a move for either player.
The Spurs would have struggled to afford either player given their salary cap situation.

[Richie]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Sources: Knicks showing strong interest in Phx's Jermaine O'Neal...Phx also talking w/Toronto about moving Sebastian Telfair


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Phoenix has talked with ATL about Josh Smith, but deal is very inlikely, sources say.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Sources say Boston willing to trade injured PG Rajon Rondo in right deal. Wizards looking to move Jordan Crawford.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Other players who are on trade market, sources say: Brooklyn's Humphries, Philly's E Turner, Charlotte's Ben Gordon & Gerald Henderson.....

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
(con't) Bulls' Hamilton, Dallas' Kaman, Denver's Mozgov, Indy's Gerald Green, Bucks' Mbah a Moute, Monte Ellis, OKC's Eric Maynor.......

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
(con't) Spurs' DeJuan Blair, Toronto's Bargnani, Utah's Jefferson & Millsap...


Would be surprised to see Philly move Turner, I thought he was having a great season?

[Darkwaters]

Also: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226216/Source-Spurs-Wont-Acquire-Josh-Smith-Al-Jefferson

The San Antonio Spurs have been linked to trade discussions for Josh Smith and Al Jefferson, but a source the team won't pursue a move for either player.
The Spurs would have struggled to afford either player given their salary cap situation.

Not surprising. In fact, the whole Al Jefferson discussion started because some author just wrote an article saying "Hey, San Antonio might want Jefferson, right?" and never bothered to base that on any fact or reality.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I'd love to see San Antonio trade Blair for Fab Melo. I don't know why we would want an expiring contract when Blair is expiring. He will definitely have some value to the Spurs down the stretch. I am sure Pop will rest Tim at least 2 or 3 games before season's end and Blair will be better than anyone of simalar salary. If you can get someone like Melo who could be someone to develop then fine, but not just to ship Blair out.

[BatManu20]

With the Suns being ruled out, I would say Milwaukee and Philly have the best chances to land Smith right now, but Philly would have to give up Turner which would be unwise imo. And I can almost guarantee Smith wouldn't re-sign with Milwaukee so that'd be a waste, unless it's just to dump Monta Ellis contract onto the Hawks (which I also doubt Ferry would do). And I don't see Danny trading him to Brooklyn cause it'd be dumb to take on Kris Humphries bloated contract. So there's really not many options here.. I'm also a little surprised Dallas hasn't been mention more but I guess Cuban's just confident he can lure him in this offseason with a max deal. Then entice Dwight to sign cause he and Smith are good friends and have talked about wanting to play together.

[BatManu20]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Houston's showing a willingness to move rookie Terrence Jones for a 1st-round pick, sources tell Y! Rockets are deep at forward spot.


Wonder if the Spurs would be willing to trade our 1st for Jones. He's still raw, but he's got good size at 6'9" 250 lbs and is pretty athletic. I'd compare his game to an underdeveloped Carl Landry.

I'd even try and throw Bonner in the deal, see if they'd bite.

[chapnis]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Houston's showing a willingness to move rookie Terrence Jones for a 1st-round pick, sources tell Y! Rockets are deep at forward spot.


Wonder if the Spurs would be willing to trade our 1st for Jones. He's still raw, but he's got good size at 6'9" 250 lbs and is pretty athletic. I'd compare his game to an underdeveloped Carl Landry.

Our first is considered a second-round pick.

[Bruno]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/20130219hunters-find-new-job-much-like-old-job.html?nclick_check=1


another source said there was All-Star break talk of Oklahoma City exploring Marcin Gortat and P.J. Tucker for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick.

It would suck for Spurs.

[Chinook]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/20130219hunters-find-new-job-much-like-old-job.html?nclick_check=1



It would suck for Spurs.

Great deal for the Suns, though, if that's Toronto's pick.

[mountainballer]

It would suck for Spurs.

yes, big time.
Mavs wanted him badly in 2009. hope they still do. and they could offer a better package than the Thunder.
Cuban, pleeeeeaaaase!

[ShinerBlack]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/20130219hunters-find-new-job-much-like-old-job.html?nclick_check=1



It would suck for Spurs.

You think this makes them that much better? Seems like the Thunder would only marginally improve with it.

[eDizzle20]

If OKC can get this deal done they are 10 steps ahead of every other front office as far as payroll management. Perkins has played relatively bad all year. To get an interior defender like Gortat would great for them. At the end of the day you could basically say that OKC traded Harden and Perkins for Martin and Gortat. Not bad considering they were gonna have to let go of one of their big 3 at the beginning of the year. I can tell Sam Presti learned a thing or 2 with San Antonio by trading Harden at the beginning of the year instead of deadline day. Apparently Ferry did not. If this deal goes through, then well done Presti. :rollin

[mountainballer]

Thunder would improve big time considering the match ups vs. the Spurs. Gortat played decent to well against the Spurs, he would be much more efficient defending the P&R than Perkins.

[Mal]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/20130219hunters-find-new-job-much-like-old-job.html?nclick_check=1



It would suck for Spurs.

Just wanted to write about it. Gortat is better player for Thunder, rather than Perkins. Since there isnt any heavy weight center in the west, OKC could use Gortat ofensive game. Plus I think he is better rebounder and help defense player than Perk. It would suck for me, since a fucking hate Thunderefs

[MR-Clutch]

The spurs would need one of those trades to happen if the thunder get tatas.

[Brunodf]

Just wanted to write about it. Gortat is better player for Thunder, rather than Perkins. Since there isnt any heavy weight center in the west, OKC could use Gortat ofensive game. Plus I think he is better rebounder and help defense player than Perk. It would suck for me, since a fucking hate Thunderefs

Yeah, but Perkins post defense is useful vs TD...

[Mal]

Yeah, but Perkins post defense is useful vs TD...

Cant argue with that, but Gortat is more dreadful player for Spurs.

[Brunodf]

Cant argue with that, but Gortat is more dreadful player for Spurs.
You are thinking about the 2011-2012 Gortat, Spurs no longer has Blair in the starting lineup, and without Perkins the Grizzlies could take them out tbh.

[Mel_13]

That OKC-PHX rumor is all about saving money for OKC. Lamb plus a first round pick (especially if it's the Toronto pick) is a steep price to pay to exchange Perkins for Gortat.

[Bruno]

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If it happens, Bucks will have to shed some salary to re-sign all three. A trade like Bonner for Udoh or Bonner+Blair for Mbah A Moute, could be nice options for Bucks.

[elemento]

I don't fear Gortat at all. Timmy has way more problems trying to score on Perkins than on Gortat. Gortat is soft. Timmy eats soft players alive. Obviously Gortat would give us more problems because he can hit the mid-range and he is a good P&R player, but defensively I don't see a big problem. In fact, i like it.

[elemento]

304244076964900864If it happens, Bucks will have to shed some salary to re-sign all three. A trade like Bonner for Udoh or Bonner+Blair for Mbah A Moute, could be nice options for Bucks.Yes to both trades. If they're not including Monta, then they will have to include Ersan right? Can they still use the amnesty clause on Gooden?

[Bruno]

Yes to both trades. If they're not including Monta, then they will have to include Ersan right? Can they still use the amnesty clause on Gooden?

They have enough expiring contracts to make a deal for Smith with Udrih and Dalembert. Gooden can and should be amnestied.

[Seventyniner]

Wouldn't a Bonner + Blair for Mbah a Moute trade give the Bucks like 8 bigs?

[MaNu4Tres]

Thunder get a lot better in that proposed deal. A lot better.

Perkins has been pretty damn bad, and when motivated (playing for a contender/contract/or genuinely happy with situation) Gortat is a damn solid/versatile defender.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

It's sort of like pick your poison defensively with perkins and gortat. perkins clearly has the better post defense but weaker in the pick and roll D. with gortat he's the better pick and roll defender but not as strong in the post. but offensively gortat is clearly better

[cd98]

Why are the Suns in such a hurry to trade Gortat? I've heard the rumors, I just don't get them. He's a quality/skilled center. He may not be a number one guy, but he could be coupled with a number one and maybe morph into a number 2, but he is at least a number 3 guy. He gets no recognition because he plays on a bad team. But if he went to the Thunder, by virtue of playing with Durrant and Westbrook, he would probably be a perrenial all-star.

[Mel_13]

If OKC can get this deal done they are 10 steps ahead of every other front office as far as payroll management. Perkins has played relatively bad all year. To get an interior defender like Gortat would great for them. At the end of the day you could basically say that OKC traded Harden and Perkins for Martin and Gortat. Not bad considering they were gonna have to let go of one of their big 3 at the beginning of the year. I can tell Sam Presti learned a thing or 2 with San Antonio by trading Harden at the beginning of the year instead of deadline day. Apparently Ferry did not. If this deal goes through, then well done Presti. :rollin

And who gave Perkins that fat extension that they're now looking to shed? They could have kept Harden if the Perkins deal wasn't on the books.

[Mal]

You are thinking about the 2011-2012 Gortat, Spurs no longer has Blair in the starting lineup, and without Perkins the Grizzlies could take them out tbh.

It`s not that. Perkins only give OKC post defense. Gortat maybe softer, but he is mobile, better P&R defender. It`s important vs Spurs and Clippers. Plus his contract expire after next season.

[spurraider21]

Per rotoworld Celtics are open to dealing Fab Melo for backcourt help. Now THAT would be interesting, though not sure who they'd want from us if Melo is a guy our FO is interested in. He's as much in the "project" stage as Baynes, but is much younger with much more upside

[spurraider21]

I don't fear Gortat at all. Timmy has way more problems trying to score on Perkins than on Gortat. Gortat is soft. Timmy eats soft players alive. Obviously Gortat would give us more problems because he can hit the mid-range and he is a good P&R player, but defensively I don't see a big problem. In fact, i like it.

Against us in the playoffs Perkins was hitting jumpers like Ibaka anyway

[MR-Clutch]

I know a trade for Smith or Jefferson is unlikely. What I don't get is the report that the spurs would not be interested in either because of the salary cap issues. First obviously, the spurs would have to match salaries, and in either trades spurs could actually dump more salary than they would be taking on. Now, if the report about the salaries has to do with the spurs ability to resign a player after this year, then it makes a little more sense. Still, a one year rental that helps the spurs obtain a 5th championship would be deemed worth it IMO, especially if the package has to do jackson, spare parts, picks and rights to oversea players. If the spurs don't make a trade for Jefferson or Smith, I don't think it has anything to do with this years salary cap.

[callo1]

Gortat doesn't do much on a team with Durant and Chunkbrook. OKC plays outside first.

[Chinook]

Wouldn't a Bonner + Blair for Mbah a Moute trade give the Bucks like 8 bigs?

I see Bruno's suggestion as more of a part of a multi-team deal as opposed to a straight-up trade.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b7xqbjh

Where the Spurs get Mbah a Moute, the Bucks get Blair, Smith and maybe another player to make the numbers work, and the Hawks get Bonner and another expiring from Milwaukee in addition to some sweeteners. (I used Henson here, and I think that's a good price in addition to a first.) That give Atlanta some assets while not taking away much cap space. It gives Milwaukee a big to replace Henson while ridding them of a redundant player (Mbah a Moute and Smith pretty much player the same position), and it gives the Spurs one of the most versatile defenders in the league.

[K-State Spur]

It's sort of like pick your poison defensively with perkins and gortat. perkins clearly has the better post defense but weaker in the pick and roll D. with gortat he's the better pick and roll defender but not as strong in the post. but offensively gortat is clearly better

Vast majority of his offense is finishing PnR (i.e. - a less efficient Splitter), and I don't think Westbrook is the right PG to bring that out of him.

Defensively, he is better on PnR that Perkins, but not a lot. FWIW, Suns bad defense has actually been slightly worse with him on the floor (1.09 ppp) than when he's on the bench (1.08 ppp).

[MoSpur]

Mitch Kupchak was on the radio right now on ESPN stating that D Howard is the future of the Lakers and that they would NOT trade Howard and made it seem they wouldn't even consider it. He stated he's received calls for Howard, but that he does not have interest in trading Howard. When asked about Gasol, his answer was totally different. He seemed like he was open to trading Gasol. He said "I don't see us trading Pau today or tomorrow." However, he was not for sure like he was when asked about trading Howard.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Vast majority of his offense is finishing PnR (i.e. - a less efficient Splitter), and I don't think Westbrook is the right PG to bring that out of him.

Defensively, he is better on PnR that Perkins, but not a lot. FWIW, Suns bad defense has actually been slightly worse with him on the floor (1.09 ppp) than when he's on the bench (1.08 ppp).

true that gortat was getting spoon fed alot by nash and westbrook is basically a diffrent type of guard.but gortat still has a decent 15 ft jumpshot imo

also intresting defensive stats

[ace3g]

I see Bruno's suggestion as more of a part of a multi-team deal as opposed to a straight-up trade.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b7xqbjh

Where the Spurs get Mbah a Moute, the Bucks get Blair, Smith and maybe another player to make the numbers work, and the Hawks get Bonner and another expiring from Milwaukee in addition to some sweeteners. (I used Henson here, and I think that's a good price in addition to a first.) That give Atlanta some assets while not taking away much cap space. It gives Milwaukee a big to replace Henson while ridding them of a redundant player (Mbah a Moute and Smith pretty much player the same position), and it gives the Spurs one of the most versatile defenders in the league.

I've read that Henson is untouchable so you would have to adjust your trade

Also some more rumors from USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/02/20/nba-trade-deadline/1932729/

[Chinook]

I've read that Henson is untouchable so you would have to adjust your trade.


Maybe, but I doubt it. He's not even getting minutes right now. If the Bucks aren't trading Jennings, Ellis or Sanders, they have nothing that Atlanta could want.

[Chinook]

In any event, the Bonner/Blair for Mbah a Moute trade would make even more sense in a deal for Reddick.

[Mel_13]

Perkins won't play tonight due to a practice related knee injury.

[baseline bum]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Houston's showing a willingness to move rookie Terrence Jones for a 1st-round pick, sources tell Y! Rockets are deep at forward spot.


Wonder if the Spurs would be willing to trade our 1st for Jones. He's still raw, but he's got good size at 6'9" 250 lbs and is pretty athletic. I'd compare his game to an underdeveloped Carl Landry.

I'd even try and throw Bonner in the deal, see if they'd bite.

Wow, Jones must really be a fucking drama queen if they want a first rounder this year for him.

[Mel_13]

No truth to rumor of Gortat and Tucker to OKC for Perkins, Lamb and a first......not going to happen

https://twitter.com/Gambo620

[Chinook]

No truth to rumor of Gortat and Tucker to OKC for Perkins, Lamb and a first......not going to happen

https://twitter.com/Gambo620

That's a shame.

[BatManu20]

Really hope the Thunder rumor isn't true. That would be bad for us tbh.

[baseline bum]

Really hope the Thunder rumor isn't true. That would be bad for us tbh.

I would have liked to seen it personally. Perkins made Tim's life hell in the WCF last year.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

okc may not be as good without harden, but they sure did make out like bandits on that trade. martin, lamb, and a lottery pick! like okc didn't already have a bright future. and they still challenge us for best in the west. consider that and memphis trashed their chemistry, the lakers are on the brink of epic fail, and the clippers might shake up their team.

maybe a splitter trade would do more good than harm? it wouldn't be a good idea for winning this year, but the west is kinda sickly this season. i think the spurs can maintain competitiveness this year and next, while avoiding a timmy's gone tank fest! how bout a little cap space and quality youth?

spurs get cavs get
tyler zeller splitter
omri casspi blair
cavs 1st 13 bonner
cavs 2nd 13 spurs 2nd 13

spurs like casspi. zeller has starting minutes experience, good coaching background, averages a high amount of assists, etc. cavs 1st stands a good chance of being in the lottery. cavs second is a huge upgrade from the spurs 2nd. could be the difference between a draft and stash, or a sleeper.

cavs get another brazlian pick and roller, we've seen how they do with the other one. that alone could save their playoff hopes. they've also seen blair tear it up in the city closest his home town. i think cavs are one of a few teams that could get actual value outta blair. and i think the cavs know that. bonner is a salary dump. he's just part of the cost of doing business. the spurs aren't dumpin splitter cause he stinks, it's about the money. blair on the other hand... well at least he's gonna give the cavs some value, probably re-sign for cheap. so they get the bill for bonner.

as for the picks. well a bonner bill, a decent rookie big, and a casspi dump aint worth the spurs chemistry and quality bigs. they gotta give up that juicy 1st too. hell! with splitter/quality blair on the team and the quality of this draft, it may not even be so juicy. they're gonna have to swap 2nds just to give a little insurance on that juice.

[DesignatedT]

smh just stop

[Spur|n|Austin]

Really hope the Thunder rumor isn't true. That would be bad for us tbh.

I disagree. I personally would not want to see Perkins again in the WCF's.

[Bruno]

In any event, the Bonner/Blair for Mbah a Moute trade would make even more sense in a deal for Reddick.

It's even more true that Magic aren't interested in Mbah A Moute contract:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/02/20/nba-trade-deadline/1932729/


Bucks forward Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is one option, but Orlando does not like his contract. But the Magic aren't interested in the remainder of Mbah a Moute's contract – two years, $8.97 million.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i'd love blair/bonner for mbah a moute. i've been high on bonner lately, but he's starting to get that late season slump look to him.

[ace3g]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO) FYI: Source says trade talks involving Hornets G Eric Gordon and Warriors G Klay Thompson are at "more than exploratory" stage.

[DesignatedT]

I don't see why the Warriors would want to do that.

[Captivus]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) In pursuit of guard help, the Celtics have made rookie center Fab Melo available in trade offers, league sources tell Y! Sports.

We all knew this but, maybe this is a good chance to trade Mills, for example. Nothing WOW, but still, could help in the long run.

[Chinook]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO) FYI: Source says trade talks involving Hornets G Eric Gordon and Warriors G Klay Thompson are at "more than exploratory" stage.

I can't see a deal happening unless the Warriors also throw in Harrison Barnes. Gordon has enough value that New Orleans doesn't have to take back a bad contract like Jefferson or Biedrins just to get rid of him.

[DesignatedT]

I'd rather keep Klay on the rookie scale for the next 3 years then pay injury prone/attitude problem Gordon 15 mil per season. Klay is having a better year across the board and his upside is huge. Already one of the best shooters in the league. If GSW thinks Gordon is going to somehow put them over the top then they are more delusional then I thought. This is arguably the worst run F.O. in the league though so it wouldn't surprise me.

[ace3g]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO) If Warriors were to make trade, it'd have to involve contract of either HWSNBN or Andris Biedrins, league sources say.

[NASpurs]

lol Warriors trying to unload Dicky J

[Mugen]

That'd be really dumb panic move by the Warriors.

[Chinook]

I don't think the Hornicans should be desperate enough to take on that kind of money when someone will give them an expiring. Since the Warriors aren't as bad as they used to be, their first probably wouldn't be enough to make up the difference (especially since they don't have it).

That's why this seems to be the most likely trade in my opinion:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b3kncmx

[baseline bum]

okc may not be as good without harden, but they sure did make out like bandits on that trade. martin, lamb, and a lottery pick!

Methlahoma got hosed in that deal. 1-dimensional Martin sucks and won't be back next year unless he takes a pretty sizeable paycut, Lamb was one of the most overrated players in college last year and can't earn any minutes this season, and that Toronto pick will likely end up somewhere around 8-15 or so in a horrendous draft. This isn't last year when you can pull a Harrison Barnes or a Drummond with a mid lottery pick.

[DesignatedT]

I don't think the Hornicans should be desperate enough to take on that kind of money when someone will give them an expiring. Since the Warriors aren't as bad as they used to be, their first probably wouldn't be enough to make up the difference (especially since they don't have it).

That's why this seems to be the most likely trade in my opinion:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b3kncmx

I wouldn't trade Thompson straight up for Gordon. No way I throw in Barnes as well.

[Strategic]

Something about RJ and Bourbon Street mixing it up.

[K-State Spur]

I would have liked to seen it personally. Perkins made Tim's life hell in the WCF last year.

Perk does a great job on Tim 1 on 1 in the post, but how often do we go 4 down anymore? OKC struggled with him on the floor defensively in games 1 & 2, then our role players collectively stopped taking/making outside jumpers that are wide open because Perk struggles with PnR.

[Chinook]

I wouldn't trade Thompson straight up for Gordon. No way I throw in Barnes as well.

I agree with you. But the Warriors don't apparently. If I'm New Orleans I'm going to see how badly they want another max player.

[Seventyniner]

It's even more true that Magic aren't interested in Mbah A Moute contract:

No, Chinook meant a 3-way deal that would send Reddick to the Bucks, Mbah a Moute to the Spurs, Bonner and Blair to the Magic, with other filler and picks as needed. (I know there would need to be more included)

[K-State Spur]

okc may not be as good without harden, but they sure did make out like bandits on that trade. martin, lamb, and a lottery pick!

If Martin keeps shooting 5% above his career average from 3, it's not too bad. But hard to say that anybody made out like a bandit when they gave up the best player in the trade by a large margin.

[Chinook]

No, Chinook meant a 3-way deal that would send Reddick to the Bucks, Mbah a Moute to the Spurs, Bonner and Blair to the Magic, with other filler and picks as needed. (I know there would need to be more included)

I think he understood what I meant, which is why he posted that quote which said the Bucks want Reddick and want to trade Mbah a Moute for him, but the Magic don't want Mbah a Moute's deal.

[BatManu20]

I don't see why the Warriors would want to do that.

Agreed. Thompson's having a breakout year and is much cheaper than Gordon, and they're putting up almost identical numbers. Would be a dumb move imo.

[Cry Havoc]

okc may not be as good without harden, but they sure did make out like bandits on that trade. martin, lamb, and a lottery pick! like okc didn't already have a bright future. and they still challenge us for best in the west. consider that and memphis trashed their chemistry, the lakers are on the brink of epic fail, and the clippers might shake up their team.

maybe a splitter trade would do more good than harm? it wouldn't be a good idea for winning this year, but the west is kinda sickly this season. i think the spurs can maintain competitiveness this year and next, while avoiding a timmy's gone tank fest! how bout a little cap space and quality youth?

spurs get cavs get
tyler zeller splitter
omri casspi blair
cavs 1st 13 bonner
cavs 2nd 13 spurs 2nd 13

spurs like casspi. zeller has starting minutes experience, good coaching background, averages a high amount of assists, etc. cavs 1st stands a good chance of being in the lottery. cavs second is a huge upgrade from the spurs 2nd. could be the difference between a draft and stash, or a sleeper.

cavs get another brazlian pick and roller, we've seen how they do with the other one. that alone could save their playoff hopes. they've also seen blair tear it up in the city closest his home town. i think cavs are one of a few teams that could get actual value outta blair. and i think the cavs know that. bonner is a salary dump. he's just part of the cost of doing business. the spurs aren't dumpin splitter cause he stinks, it's about the money. blair on the other hand... well at least he's gonna give the cavs some value, probably re-sign for cheap. so they get the bill for bonner.

as for the picks. well a bonner bill, a decent rookie big, and a casspi dump aint worth the spurs chemistry and quality bigs. they gotta give up that juicy 1st too. hell! with splitter/quality blair on the team and the quality of this draft, it may not even be so juicy. they're gonna have to swap 2nds just to give a little insurance on that juice.

What the hell.

[Strategic]

:rollin

[NASpurs]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/02/20/nba-trade-deadline/1932729/

If the Hawks had their way before Thursday, they would find a deal that included a young center (because they see Al Horford as a power forward), expiring contracts, desirable players on rookie contracts and/or draft picks.

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Sorry if this has been posted, I'm pretty sure it has :lol

[td4mvp2k]

What the hell.
:lol

[ace3g]

Less than 24 hours away from deadline.

[ajballer4]

Surprised there hasn't even been one deal that has gone through yet

[ace3g]

Everyone waiting for that Josh Smith and/or Jefferson/Millsap type deal to knock down first domino.

[pad300]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/02/20/nba-trade-deadline/1932729/

If the Hawks had their way before Thursday, they would find a deal that included a young center (because they see Al Horford as a power forward), expiring contracts, desirable players on rookie contracts and/or draft picks.

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Sorry if this has been posted, I'm pretty sure it has :lol

Combine with that Celtics shopping Fab Melo for guard help rumour, and shake:

SA in : Josh Smith
SA out : Sjax, Bonner, $1 million (to pay Bonner's buyout), 1 of Neal/Mills, 2013 1st

BOS in: Mills/Neal
BOS out: Fab Melo

ATL out: Josh Smith
ATL in: Fab Melo , Bonner, SJax, SA 2013 1st

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Among teams and officials involved in Josh Smith talks, the three most likely destinations right now: Brooklyn, Milwaukee and Phoenix.

[Bruno]

So, it looks like there won't have a single trade made in the few days before the trade deadline day. That's quite unusual and could leads to a very quiet trade deadline.

[slick'81]

So, it looks like there won't have a single trade made in the few days before the trade deadline day. That's quite unusual and could leads to a very quiet trade deadline.



ahhhh the quiet before the storm

[ace3g]

I was wondering this earlier, what trade deadline had the least amount of trades?

[Maddog]

So, it looks like there won't have a single trade made in the few days before the trade deadline day. That's quite unusual and could leads to a very quiet trade deadline.
Do you think the more punitive luxury tax is contributing to this?

[dbestpro]

Yes.

[Bruno]

I was wondering this earlier, what trade deadline had the least amount of trades?

I would say the 2007 trade deadline:
- Juan Dixon for Fred Jones
- Anthony Johnson for a second round pick

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007_transactions.html

[Bruno]

Do you think the more punitive luxury tax is contributing to this?

It's possible, I'm not sure. Another reason would be that a lot of moves have been done this summer and earlier this season.

[BatManu20]

Josh Smith will windup in Milwaukee if I was a betting man. I'm actually pretty disappointed the Spurs aren't even interested in him. I don't have nearly the confidence in Splitter/Diaw come playoff time that most of the fans on these boards do.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Latest Y! Sports NBA Trade Deadline Buzz: Boston, Brooklyn discuss Paul Pierce. http://tinyurl.com/aqr2xrv (http://t.co/LcX0mFaWMg)

[elemento]

Weird

What's the point of Pierce in BK? Unless they're planning to play small-ball with Wallace at the 4, It makes no sense to me.

I wonder if they're offering the same package they did for Smith (Hump + Marshon + 1st round pick).

[Brunodf]

Josh Smith will windup in Milwaukee if I was a betting man. I'm actually pretty disappointed the Spurs aren't even interested in him. I don't have nearly the confidence in Splitter/Diaw come playoff time that most of the fans on these boards do.
[2] Diaw doesn't rebound or box out(i hope he is just coasting...) and Splitter isn't a good rebounder this season.

[BatManu20]

Scratch

[BatManu20]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Latest Y! Sports NBA Trade Deadline Buzz: Boston, Brooklyn discuss Paul Pierce. http://tinyurl.com/aqr2xrv (http://t.co/LcX0mFaWMg)

"The Boston Celtics and Brooklyn Nets have discussed a trade for Celtics star Paul Pierce, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Nets' offer centered on forward Kris Humphries, guard MarShon Brooks and a first-round draft pick, but the Celtics want a more substantial package to consider moving Pierce, league sources said." - Adrian Wojnarowski


Weird

What's the point of Pierce in BK? Unless they're planning to play small-ball with Wallace at the 4, It makes no sense to me.

I wonder if they're offering the same package they did for Smith (Hump + Marshon + 1st round pick).


Is it just me, or does Brooklyn seem like they have no idea what the hell they're doing? Other than trying to accumulate the highest payroll in NBA history.

[cd98]

"The Boston Celtics and Brooklyn Nets have discussed a trade for Celtics star Paul Pierce, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Nets' offer centered on forward Kris Humphries, guard MarShon Brooks and a first-round draft pick, but the Celtics want a more substantial package to consider moving Pierce, league sources said." - Adrian Wojnarowski

Is it just me, or does Brooklyn seem like they have no idea what they're doing? Other than trying to accumulate the highest payroll in NBA history.


That package is laughable. Paul Pierce is still a stellar player that is incredibly popular in Boston. Humphries and Brooks are afterthoughts that the Nets have been trying to get rid of since the beginning of this year. So essential it's Pierce for a lame draft pick. Heck, that's as bad as the Bonner, Blair, and a first rounder for Pierce.

[hater]

"Who is this Pierce? Bring him to me at once!" - Mikhai Pokorov

[Bruno]

If Boston wants to rebuild, a trade like Garnett+Pierce to Clippers for Bledsoe+Jordan+Odom+Butler+picks sounds good. KG being traded alongside Pierce to LA might convince him of waiving his no trade clause.

[BatManu20]

If Boston wants to rebuild, a trade like Garnett+Pierce to Clippers for Bledsoe+Jordan+Odom+Butler+picks sounds good. KG being traded alongside Pierce to LA might convince him of waiving his no trade clause.

Agreed but everything I've read is saying that the Clippers don't want to give up both Bledsoe and Jordan, just Bledsoe. But it wouldn't matter anyways unless KG agrees to waive his no-trade clause which he's said he won't. My guess is neither team makes any deals by the deadline.

[Bruno]

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[ace3g]

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but watching the box scores might put a spotlight on who is traded if they don't play tonight.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I think as Spurs fans we should hope Garnett doesn't end up in Clipperland as that would improve them a lot. On the other hand, Bledsoe would be gone and he's a scary bench player who can turn a game in 5 mins. Still, Clips with KG become super-scary.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Just under 20 hours left before trade deadline for stances to change, but mostly standing-pat rumbles coming from both Clipperland and Utah

[Chinook]

304362150825189376

Joseph and Blair for Ross is about the only trade I'd consider.

[Brunodf]

I think as Spurs fans we should hope Garnett doesn't end up in Clipperland as that would improve them a lot. On the other hand, Bledsoe would be gone and he's a scary bench player who can turn a game in 5 mins. Still, Clips with KG become super-scary.

Bledsoe/D.Jordan>>>KG

[Bruno]

Agreed but everything I've read is saying that the Clippers don't want to give up both Bledsoe and Jordan, just Bledsoe. But it wouldn't matter anyways unless KG agrees to waive his no-trade clause which he's said he won't. My guess is neither team makes any deals by the deadline.

Well, they don't want to give up both Bledsoe and Jordan for KG but in the trade I've proposed, they also get a not so bad player called Paul Pierce.

[Pasta Batman]

304362150825189376

To me, he's exactly who they want around next season. It's perfect. That would be his senior year, and Mills and/or Neal won't be back.

[Bruno]

Joseph and Blair for Ross is about the only trade I'd consider.

Joseph and Blair don't have that kind of value but you should know it.

What I find interesting is that Spurs wants to stick with Joseph despite the fact that he doesn't play at all with Spurs this year. They might think he has a chance to be a part of the rotation in the future. I like it because, even if he is raw/young, I find that Joseph is an intriguing player.

[Pasta Batman]

Joseph and Blair don't have that kind of value but you should know it.

What I find interesting is that Spurs wants to stick with Joseph despite the fact that he doesn't play at all with Spurs this year. They might think he has a chance to be a part of the rotation in the future. I like it because, even if he is raw/young, I find that Joseph is an intriguing player.

To me, they used the farm system as a safe way to keep him around like if he went to Europe or played in college still, but they own his rights. He's basically being taught to be a perfect Spurs (combined with his skill set). Him and Nando are probably their future backups. Both bring versatility to their positions: CJ (steady PG game and solid D), Nando (crafty creative play maker who can play 1-2-3 positions with his size).

I like that the Spurs are finding versatile guys. It helps a lot.

[Chinook]

Joseph and Blair don't have that kind of value but you should know it.

What I find interesting is that Spurs wants to stick with Joseph despite the fact that he doesn't play at all with Spurs this year. They might think he has a chance to be a part of the rotation in the future. I like it because, even if he is raw/young, I find that Joseph is an intriguing player.

Yes, I know that there should be no way for Toronto to agree to that trade. But I suggested that because really, there's not much they have at this point to give for such a small contract. The Spurs aren't looking to just dump Joseph (as you already said), so they'd have to get something of value. Toronto can't guarantee a pick for many more years, and their only young assets are Ross and Valanciunas. They're just not a good partner.

Perhaps a Joseph/Blair/Bonner for Amir Johnson deal would interest the Spurs though.

I completely agree with you on Joseph, though. With the way De Colo, Mills and Neal have played, there's no reason to think that Joseph couldn't get a chance next year, or even this season.

[timvp]

304362150825189376

Interesting note. I'm probably making too much of it but this tells me:

1. Spurs still like Joseph. That hasn't been obvious this year but this report tells me that the Spurs aren't looking to salary dump him or anything.

2. The FO must see a way that Joseph can become the backup point guard next season. Neal and/or Mills must not be locks to return.

3. Spurs aren't desperate to shed money. The easiest way to clear salary would be to salary dump Joseph somewhere. Doing that wouldn't hurt the depth at all for this season.

4. Piggybacking off of #3, a Blair trade must be there for the taking if Joseph isn't being made available.

[Bruno]

To me, they used the farm system as a safe way to keep him around like if he went to Europe or played in college still, but they own his rights. He's basically being taught to be a perfect Spurs (combined with his skill set). Him and Nando are probably their future backups. Both bring versatility to their positions: CJ (steady PG game and solid D), Nando (crafty creative play maker who can play 1-2-3 positions with his size).

I like that the Spurs are finding versatile guys. It helps a lot.

The investment isn't exactly the than for a player who is in Europe. Spurs have still spend $3.2M in salary for Joseph and will have to decide whether or not to invest an additional $2M at the end of next training camp.

I agree with you that a Joseph/De Colo back court looks good on paper. I thing that De Colo best spot is as a creative SG. The only thing that doesn't work with that scenario is that Spurs have really used De Colo as a PG this year. Do they think it's his best position or at they playing him at PG because they don't have another option?

[Bruno]

And regarding next season backup PG slot, Dwight Buycks has been awesome this year in France. I don't know if Spurs are still following him after his summer league with them but I wouldn't be surprised to see him ending with a NBA team next season.

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[DrunkTXLabrat]

304362150825189376

that's interesting. toronoto could make a nice trade partner. bonner still seems like a fan favorite there.

[will_spurs]

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[ace3g]

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but watching the box scores might put a spotlight on who is traded if they don't play tonight.

Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen (https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen) Marcus Morris inactive tonight for Rockets. Checking on why.

Things like this...

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Word is Rockets have decided to trade Marcus Morris and deciding between two deals

[timvp]

:lol Rockets, Where Royce White is a Better than Average Draft Pick Happens

[Pasta Batman]

The investment isn't exactly the than for a player who is in Europe. Spurs have still spend $3.2M in salary for Joseph and will have to decide whether or not to invest an additional $2M at the end of next training camp.

I agree with you that a Joseph/De Colo back court looks good on paper. I thing that De Colo best spot is as a creative SG. The only thing that doesn't work with that scenario is that Spurs have really used De Colo as a PG this year. Do they think it's his best position or at they playing him at PG because they don't have another option?

I think of Nando as I thought about Barry. He could do it all (speaking offensively only), in that sense. He's a versatile player who can play any position. Spurs love those guys, and it makes sense. Nando is big enough to play 3 (in spot minutes off the bench), but can also play 1 or 2.

As for Joseph, they've known about him since RC'd adopted son played with him at Texas, so it makes sense why they'd have a crush on him still if he has continued to meet all their demands (and it seems like he has). Joseph is a Junior in college at this point, and last season was a mess without a training camp, so I wouldn't put too much stock in how "he's been treated."

I feel like they have flexibility to take Joseph through the system slowly while:
-Evaluate Neal to see if he can get better, but also increase his trade value. Basically improve the team through his (somewhat unique) skill set, even though he has big flaws elsewhere
-Evaluate Mills. Similar to Neal, but has a few other weaknesses, but is younger and has possibly more potential with more work.
-Evaluate Nando - too many guys to give enough time to. Nando is older and more experienced, so he needs the NBA evaluation period a bit more, while CJ is a little bit more raw and just needs more hands on guidance (kinda like the college experience)


And regarding next season backup PG slot, Dwight Buycks has been awesome this year in France. I don't know if Spurs are still following him after his summer league with them but I wouldn't be surprised to see him ending with a NBA team next season.

If they liked him at all, and made the suggestion to play overseas, then they likely are keeping their tabs. Spurs have done well to create a full network overseas.

[timvp]

That said, Blair and Mills for Morris? I might do it since Stretch 4s are hard to find.

[bklynspursfan]

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Trade? RT @Jonathan_Feigen Marcus Morris inactive tonight for Rockets. Checking on why.



Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Marcus Morris inactive. Kevin McHale told @Jonathan_Feigen, "Talk to Daryl." Here we go.



Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
It sounds like the Rockets are trading Marcus Morris. That would be the sixth year in a row that Daryl Morey has made a deal at deadline.

[Pasta Batman]

That said, Blair and Mills for Morris? I might do it since Stretch 4s are hard to find.

If only, Blair's advanced numbers looked good! Morey wouldn't said yes long ago then, I bet!!

[BatManu20]

Marcus Morris > Blair and Bonner 8 days out of the week. Let's pray we're in on this..

[elemento]

Pretty sure Morey is using cap space to get a 1st round pick.

Chicago could be a partner. Something around Rip + 1st for Morris.

[crc21209]

Would the Rockets really trade Morris to a divison rival is the question though....

[BatManu20]

Would the Rockets really trade Morris to a divison rival is the question though....

Doubtful unless it was a great deal. And I don't see Blair + a late 1st round pick being that appealing to the Rockets, unless they're just really trying to cut payroll to make a run at Dwight Howard or Josh Smith this summer. But, Morris is only making $3 million over the next season and a half, with a club option for 2015 for $4 million.

[ace3g]

Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling (https://twitter.com/JaredZwerling) Sources tell me the #Knicks (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Knicks&src=hash) are shopping Ronnie Brewer. Not sure for who. J. O'Neal (via trade) & L. Amundson (via pickup) are also targets.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Sacramento has traded forward Thomas Robinson to the Houston Rockets, league source tells Y Sports.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) The Houston Rockets have traded Marcus Morris to the Phoenix Suns for a future second-round draft pick, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[timtonymanu]

:lol Both Morris twins play in Phoenix now!

[dbestpro]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Sacramento has traded forward Thomas Robinson to the Houston Rockets, league source tells Y Sports.

I think Sacramento got the better of this deal.

[ace3g]

timvp, can you make this a live thread?

[dbestpro]

If Morris is only worth a 2nd round pick we might have to give up a 2nd round pick to get rid of Blair.

[timtonymanu]

Well a trade has finally been made. Interesting to see if this leads to anywhere (mostly the fate of Blair).

[jesterbobman]

Or not. Woj reporting Morris to Suns for a 2nd, and Rockets trading for Thomas Robinson.

[crc21209]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) The Houston Rockets have traded Marcus Morris to the Phoenix Suns for a future second-round draft pick, league sources tell Y! Sports.

For only a 2nd round draft pick? WTF?!?!

[ace3g]

Suns about to trade 1 or more of their forwards away?

[Robz4000]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Sacramento has traded forward Thomas Robinson to the Houston Rockets, league source tells Y Sports.

Damn, great news for Robinson. He was going nowhere fast with the Kings, and it doesn't look like things are gonna get much better even after they move to Seattle.

[freetiago]

LOL
wow when i didnt think sacramento could get any dumber
trading a top 5 pick who hasnt even played half a season really considering hes been chained to the bench for a fringe rotation player

[TrueSpursFan]

For only a 2nd round draft pick? WTF?!?!

Exactly!
If they wanted 2nd round talent, they could have taken Blair off of our hands

[jesterbobman]

The Kings are dumb unless they get more.

@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA): The Rockets will send Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich and Toney Douglas to the Kings for Thomas Robinson, sources tell Y!”

[benefactor]

Kings gave up on him awfully quick. They may regret this one.

[racm]

:lol Both Morris twins play in Phoenix now!

Now watch as Lindsey Hunter confuses opponents by subbing them in for each other.

:lol

[jesterbobman]

If it was Jones + expiring + pick it'd be understandable, but that's basically just expirings.

[racm]

I remember J.J. Hickson being terrible in Sacramento - then blossoming once he signed with Portland.

The Rockets depth chart now looks like this

Lin/Beverley
Harden/JA
Parsons/Delfino/Jones
Robinson/Motiejunas
Asik/Smith

They're worse at spreading the floor but Robinson was a great rebounder in limited minutes.

[elemento]

The Kings are fighting with BK for the title of dumbest franchise in the NBA

[jesterbobman]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick) Kings send T. Robinson, F. Garcia, T. Honeycutt to Houston for Toney Douglas, Cole Aldrich, Patrick Patterson & cash, USAT has learned.

[ace3g]

lol I missed the 2nd Woj tweet, because of my tweetdeck filter, I hadn't turned it off since the walking dead episode on Sunday, one of the keywords was blocking, because of "rick" in Patrick, lol

[racm]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick) Kings send T. Robinson, F. Garcia, T. Honeycutt to Houston for Toney Douglas, Cole Aldrich, Patrick Patterson & cash, USAT has learned.

:lmao at the Kings sending out a locker room vet out. Now watch as their locker room gets even worse.

[BatManu20]

Why the hell would the Kings make this trade..? Trying to be as shitty as possible once they get to Seattle or what?

[spurraider21]

And this is why the Kings are the Kings

[Jordanobili2320]

The Kings are fighting with BK for the title of dumbest franchise in the NBA

dude how is BK even close to as dumb as the Kings are? Please explain...

[Pasta Batman]

lol I missed the 2nd Woj tweet, because of my tweetdeck filter, I hadn't turned it off since the walking dead episode on Sunday, one of the keywords was blocking, because of "rick" in Patrick, lol

Priorities, man. Haha

[CGD]

For only a 2nd round draft pick? WTF?!?!

Lol Blair trade value...

[ElNono]

Kings are shredding salary... they're all expiring, except for Patterson who has one more year left...

[BatManu20]

How do you trade your rookie lottery pick who's only 21 and your best outside shooter and only veteran leader for a backup PG and 2 bench bigs? That is beyond stupid unless there's something going on that we don't know about.

[DesignatedT]

Nice pickup for Houston.

[ElNono]

Upon taking a further look, this is basically a Thomas for Patterson swap, with all the other guys either expiring or having a team option for next season... basically, just shaking things up

[tim_duncan_fan]

We are who we we know we are. No one wants to trade with us because they think whoever they might give us will somehow turn into gold.

We're standing pat.

[racm]

OKC started Thabeet and Perkins isn't on the active roster. :downspin:

[Pasta Batman]

How do you trade your rookie lottery pick who's only 21 and your best outside shooter and only veteran leader for a backup PG and 2 bench bigs? That is beyond stupid unless there's something going on that we don't know about.

They saw that they had Isiah Thomas on their team and had to follow through with that name?

[AFBlue]

Not sure why the crazy reax...Robinson has been garbage converting 42% of his FGs, which is terrible for a big.

Sacto got the best player in the trade with Patterson.

[DesignatedT]

OKC started Thabeet and Perkins isn't on the active roster. :downspin:

Hope they aren't making a move. I think we can beat them as currently constructed.

[BatManu20]

OKC started Thabeet and Perkins isn't on the active roster. :downspin:

Well the Marcin Gortat rumor was dispelled so if they're trading him, who could it be for I wonder..

[timtonymanu]

Perkins is also battling a knee injury (I think) but it's still to something to watch out for.

[ace3g]

not surprising but it was a 3 team trade:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--rockets-deal-marcus-morris-to-suns-005956136.html

[SpursRock20]

not surprising but it was a 3 team trade:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--rockets-deal-marcus-morris-to-suns-005956136.html

Not sure what to take from this trade. At least the Morris brothers are on the same team.

[Chinook]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick) Kings send T. Robinson, F. Garcia, T. Honeycutt to Houston for Toney Douglas, Cole Aldrich, Patrick Patterson & cash, USAT has learned.

Oh wow. I was hoping the Spurs were going to be able to pull that type of deal earlier in the season. I really think Robinson could be good.

[BatManu20]

Watch the Thunder trade Perkins for Josh Smith out of nowhere

[BatManu20]

And Marcus Morris for only a 2nd round pick? Damn Spurs should've jumped all over that.

[Brunodf]

Watch the Thunder trade Perkins for Josh Smith out of nowhere

That would be scary

[DesignatedT]

And Marcus Morris for only a 2nd round pick? Damn Spurs should've jumped all over that.

Who knows, they might have. Seeing that Phoenix has the better 2nd round pick they would go with them anyway. Unless you're saying the Spurs should have offered their first.

[Texas_Ranger]

Watch the Thunder trade Perkins for Josh Smith out of nowhere

hawks dont need a center. Also Perkins's got a pretty big contract.

[Bruno]

This trade is a bad news for Spurs.

Rockets will be weaker for the rest of the season with only rookies at the PF slot. It's now more likely that they miss the playoffs.

This trade could have turned Spurs first round opponents from the Rockets to the Lakers or Mavs. :bang

[Bruno]

And :lol at Rockets to have turned Marcus Morris, a lottery pick, into a second rounder.

[loveforthegame]

Oh Kings. What are you doing? Petrie trolling fans on the way out.

Happy for Robinson though. He'll get playing time in Houston. Kings will regret that move.

[Chinook]

I hope Robinson turns out to be good, but Houston hasn't developed any good bigs recently. Morey seems to give up on them too quickly.

[Captivus]

Gery Woelfel ‏@GeryWoelfel (https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel) Told by good source Josh Smith would play for Bucks even if Ellis isn't still on team.

[CGD]

Upon taking a further look, this is basically a Thomas for Patterson swap, with all the other guys either expiring or having a team option for next season... basically, just shaking things up

If the motive is financial, i Wonder if Kings make Patterson available now for a small expiring contract in exchange.

[raybies]

Robinson an asset for a Smith deal?

[CGD]

This trade is a bad news for Spurs.

Rockets will be weaker for the rest of the season with only rookies at the PF slot. It's now more likely that they miss the playoffs.

This trade could have turned Spurs first round opponents from the Rockets to the Lakers or Mavs. :bang

I've already come to grips with the fact that we may have to face a hot Mavs or Laker team in the first round. A Milsap or Jefferson trade by the Jazz helps their chances even more. LAL is just a tough match up for us; no clue what the Mavs are about this year.

[benefactor]

This feels like the Kings are just dumping assets before moving to Seattle.

lol not trying to shop the cancer that is Demarcus Cousins

[BatManu20]

Robinson an asset for a Smith deal?

I think at this point the Bucks are the heavy favorites to land Smith but anything's possible

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Seriously, why on earth have the Rockets let Morris go for virtually nothing?

[benefactor]

lol hoopsworld getting owned on twitter per par.

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[Dverde]

So the Suns traded for the exact same player they already had who doesn't play more than 20 minutes a game. I hope the Suns are gathering pieces for a deal for Millsap or Smith...otherwise terrible move. I like the trade for the Rockets. Robinson will play better out of Sac and under McHale in H-Town.

[bklynspursfan]

This trade is a bad news for Spurs.

Rockets will be weaker for the rest of the season with only rookies at the PF slot. It's now more likely that they miss the playoffs.

This trade could have turned Spurs first round opponents from the Rockets to the Lakers or Mavs. :bang

I'd love to avoid the Lakers. The Mavs though, don't know if they can keep up with us. Maybe even the Blazers, though they've dropped 6 straight are still tied with the Lakers.

[MI21]

Pretty sure Patterson is close friends with Cousins after their time together at Kentucky, gives another angle as to why the Kings may have done it.

Still, :lol Kings for trying to appease Cousins.. the guy has talent but they would be best getting rid of him, tbh.

[freetiago]

Rather beatdown the Lakers 1 last time in what will probably be the Spurs contending era
even if the Spurs contend next year LA is likely out of the playoffs with a terrible Bible Kemp, 40 year old Nash, older Kobe who says he would probably be playing his last year and possibly with Gasoft

In the first LA meeting Parker was horrible
he was still in that begining of the season slump where he couldnt penetrate or hit anything and would only take like 4 shots a game
in the second meeting Hill/Howard/Gasol were out and the Spurs took it easy
it will likely be a gentlemens sweep if they meet in the playoffs
and i dont buy that Lakers will make the playoffs by getting on a hot streak
if they get in it will be because of injuries to other playoff teams or incredibly cold streaks like what is going on in Golden State

[Man In Black]

Bring on the LAL... They ain't all that.

[benefactor]

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[Big P]

I'd love to avoid the Lakers. The Mavs though, don't know if they can keep up with us. Maybe even the Blazers, though they've dropped 6 straight are still tied with the Lakers.

:wtf

Avoid them??? Why??

[Captivus]

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[Ditty]

Was hopin we could get in that trade and get Patterson

[bklynspursfan]

:wtf

Avoid them??? Why??

Paranoia I guess. Fear of them getting it together and Kobe going nuts on us lol

[FvckMavs]

Paranoia I guess. Fear of them getting it together and Kobe going nuts on us lol

We will go 5 on 8 with Stern as cheerleader for them.

[exstatic]

Robinson an asset for a Smith deal?


I think at this point the Bucks are the heavy favorites to land Smith but anything's possible

No, once a player is traded, to turn around and trade him again immediately, he has to go out alone, no other players. His contract doesn't match Smith's.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Pretty sure Patterson is close friends with Cousins after their time together at Kentucky, gives another angle as to why the Kings may have done it.

Still, :lol Kings for trying to appease Cousins.. the guy has talent but they would be best getting rid of him, tbh.


...great idea. i wouldn't laugh. the kings were making us work last night. maybe a little kiss ass on cousins is a good route to travel.

[SpurPadre]

I'd love to avoid the Lakers. The Mavs though, don't know if they can keep up with us. Maybe even the Blazers, though they've dropped 6 straight are still tied with the Lakers.

I know the playoffs are all about matchups but why are some here sweating the prospects of facing an 8th seed? LOL. If we have any real aspirations to win it all, then an 8th seed should be the least of our concerns. Sure, it's happened where we've lost to an 8th seed but we were missing Manu and TD wasn't 100% at that time. Oh by the way, if the Warriors keep struggling, we may very well face them as an 8th seed. If you want to talk about who would be the easiest 8th round matchup, that's a different story and the Warriors would probably be our easiest matchup since we own them.

[Texas_Ranger]

Parsons just got injured... Lakers got a shot

[exstatic]

:lol Both Morris twins play in Phoenix now!

I used to always laugh at PHO. It seemed any time there were twins in the NBA, they got the shitty one. I guess the solution to that is to get both. :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

I used to always laugh at PHO. It seemed any time there were twins in the NBA, they got the shitty one. I guess the solution to that is to get both. :lol

True. :lol

ok, i never knew which Collins brother was worse.

[timtonymanu]

True. :lol

ok, i never knew which Collins brother was worse.

:lol they both suck, but Jason is the one in the NBA still (Boston) and Phoenix ended up with Jarron who hasn't been in the NBA for a while.

[timtonymanu]

I used to always laugh at PHO. It seemed any time there were twins in the NBA, they got the shitty one. I guess the solution to that is to get both. :lol

:lol even if they weren't twins, PHO still landed the shittier brother.

Taylor Griffin (Blake Griffin's brother)
Luke Zeller (Tyler Zeller's brother)

[ace3g]

(https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS) Make that Rodrigue Beaubois and Dominique Jones available in Dallas. It's been a long day.

[BatManu20]

Steve Kyler: Houston did the Morris deal because Phoenix is trying to get a better offer in on Josh Smith... clock was ticking for Phoenix (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html). Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)steve (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3757)kylerNBA

Marc J. Spears: Kings move was all about cutting costs and not something management enjoyed doing, (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) a source said. Twitter @SpearsNBAYahoo (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

Brian Windhorst: Suns have to make roster move to make room for Morris deal. Teams have been expecting a Jermaine O'Neal buyout/release if not traded (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html). Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)wind (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14572)horstESPN

Jermaine O'Neal might become available for free

[racm]

Funny, Phoenix decides to let Robin Lopez go and he immediately plays well as a Pelican

[ace3g]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS) In Minnesota, J.J. Barea is indeed available, as are Luke Ridnour and Derrick Williams, sources say.

[Chinook]

No, once a player is traded, to turn around and trade him again immediately, he has to go out alone, no other players. His contract doesn't match Smith's.

That rule is pretty easy to get around in two ways:

1 -- if the trade has not be officially accepted, then the Rockets can negotiated with the Hawks and just include them as a fourth team.

2 (more interesting) -- The Rockets could do a trade like Robinson and filler for Smith and Petro. Robinson for Petro would actually be a separate deal, but it would only happen because of the larger context. This type of split trade violates no rule, and it's used often.

[ace3g]

This trade is a bad news for Spurs.

Rockets will be weaker for the rest of the season with only rookies at the PF slot. It's now more likely that they miss the playoffs.

This trade could have turned Spurs first round opponents from the Rockets to the Lakers or Mavs. :bang


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2013022010

[RodNIc91]

^Perkins and lamb DNP. Trade cooking up??

[cd98]

^Perkins and lamb DNP. Trade cooking up??

I think Lamb is dnp every game.

[BatManu20]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2013022010

Wow Harden drops 46 points on his former team and picks up the W! Poetic justice :toast