Trade Deadline Deals and Rumors

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, the trade for Houston is bad news for the Spurs.... Lot of know-it-alls in here.

[Richie]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS) In Minnesota, J.J. Barea is indeed available, as are Luke Ridnour and Derrick Williams, sources say.

Either Barea or Ridnour would be good additions to this Spurs team, both would be better backup point guards than we have currently

[exstatic]

That rule is pretty easy to get around in two ways:

1 -- if the trade has not be officially accepted, then the Rockets can negotiated with the Hawks and just include them as a fourth team.

2 (more interesting) -- The Rockets could do a trade like Robinson and filler for Smith and Petro. Robinson for Petro would actually be a separate deal, but it would only happen because of the larger context. This type of split trade violates no rule, and it's used often.

2 is much more likely than one.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Either Barea or Ridnour would be good additions to this Spurs team, both would be better backup point guards than we have currently

backup point trade talk is gross. nando, mills, cojo, neal.

[Chinook]

2 is much more likely than one.

For sure, although neither is that likely.

[exstatic]

The Redick/M'bah A Moute trade is apparently dead. Orlando doesn't want Luc and the Magic want a first rounder, which MIL doesn't want to give. Hmmm.

Milwaukee gets Redick
SA gets M'bah a Moute
ORL gets Blair/Bonner and our first round pick

[freetiago]

Barea and Ridnour are both garbage
Barea is basically a Mills with better ballhandling/penetration

Neal and Ridnour are basically the same player
Neal has the clutch gene though and hes not white
the Matt Bonner effect wont take place

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Word is Knicks will be at front of line to try to sign Jermaine O'Neal if Phoenix consents to buy JO out to make room for Marcus Morris

[ace3g]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO) Source: Nets have secured Kris Humphries-for-Ben Gordon trade with Bobcats, but waiting to see what happens with Hawks' Josh Smith first.

[Despot]

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/2/20/4011464/hoopsworld-spurs-show-interest-in-casspi

NBA Trade Rumors: HoopsWorld Reports Spurs Show Interest in Casspi

[BatManu20]

The Redick/M'bah A Moute trade is apparently dead. Orlando doesn't want Luc and the Magic want a first rounder, which MIL doesn't want to give. Hmmm.

Milwaukee gets Redick
SA gets M'bah a Moute
ORL gets Blair/Bonner and our first round pick

I seriously doubt the Magic want Blair or Bonner tbh.. and they probably want a high 1st for him, not ours.

[Despot]

yeah i know.... hoopsworld

[eDizzle20]

Hopefully the Spurs stay put outside of trading Blair. I would love to see the Spurs go after O'Neal after the buyout is complete.

[palangi]

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/2/20/4011464/hoopsworld-spurs-show-interest-in-casspi


NBA Trade Rumors: HoopsWorld Reports Spurs Show Interest in Casspi

could this be because jackson is about a done deal? casspi comes in and is the backup SF.

[BatManu20]

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook?page=dailydimelive

Scroll to the bottom.

[BatManu20]

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/2/20/4011464/hoopsworld-spurs-show-interest-in-casspi

NBA Trade Rumors: HoopsWorld Reports Spurs Show Interest in Casspi

"Casspi might become an extremely valuable player for the Spurs becauseGregg Popovich (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/98773/gregg-popovich) sold his soul to the devil in exchange for the ability to resurrect seemingly dead careers." :lol

[ace3g]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) Among those mentioned in possible trades, told definitively that Danny Granger not going anywhere, and DeJuan Blair likely to stay put, too.

....

[Robz4000]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) Among those mentioned in possible trades, told definitively that Danny Granger not going anywhere, and DeJuan Blair likely to stay put, too.

....

Welp

[BatManu20]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) Among those mentioned in possible trades, told definitively that Danny Granger not going anywhere, and DeJuan Blair likely to stay put, too.

....

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs can't get SOMETHING in return for him.. pretty disappointing tbh.

[ace3g]

I just wish after the deadline one of Bonner or Blair is gone.

[racm]

Can't always have trade deadlines as great as last year's was.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) The Brooklyn Nets are no longer considering a deal for Charlotte's Ben Gordon, league source tells Y! Sports.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Typical Spurs. Out of all the interest expressed in Blair, the Spurs will stand pat. I didn't care what we would have got for him, I just wanted him gone, to make room for some decent Baynes minutes.

[Mugen]

Meh, i would have taken a late 2nd rounder for DeJuan when he looked absolutely done earlier in the year. He's shown a lot more athleticism the last month so I'm fine with just letting him walk at the end of the season.

Like timvp and others have alluded to, he's a pretty decent emergency backup in case of an injury. Baynes hasn't gotten the opportunity to do anything and likely won't until next season.

Considering the Spurs have great team chemistry and their continuity is something other top teams don't have, I think staying put is the right move.

[TrueSpursFan]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) Among those mentioned in possible trades, told definitively that Danny Granger not going anywhere, and DeJuan Blair likely to stay put, too.

....

So you're saying there's still a chance?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

So you're saying there's still a chance?

x2

[timtonymanu]

Anything can happen between now and the deadline, but it doesn't matter to me if Blair stays. It's not like the Spurs need to make a major trade anyways. They aren't going to make another HWSNBN for Jack trade.

[BatManu20]

So what's the deal with the Omri Casspi trade rumor? I'm sure Cleveland would trade him for Blair considering he hasn't been playing at all the past 2 months and I know Casspi wants to go to another team. He's a SF who can shoot the 3, and I'm sure he'd improve in our system. Not sure why we wouldn't be trying to make this happen.

[loveforthegame]

Figures. Turd towers for the win.

[playblair]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) Among those mentioned in possible trades, told definitively that Danny Granger not going anywhere, and DeJuan Blair likely to stay put, too.

....

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9041f6247ca2377635a522c44dc6387b/tumblr_mi195xFicF1ryfrfko1_500.gif

[freetiago]

Why would you cheer for Blair to ride the pine in SA when he could move to another team and be a starter/3rd big
trolling in my day meant something..

[Ditty]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9041f6247ca2377635a522c44dc6387b/tumblr_mi195xFicF1ryfrfko1_500.gif

Even if he stays he is not going to play and will be gone at the end of the season:rollin

[Texas_Ranger]

dont care if he's on the roster, but when in the playoffs I see Blair and Bonner on the court I'll probably hate it very very much.

[crc21209]

Yeah, just let Dejuan walk at the end of the season. He's a good body to have throughout a regular season so they don't run Tim, Tiago, and Diaw into the ground too fast. Might as well just keep his scrubby ass for now. Although I'd still want Baynes to take his spot in the rotation...

[superjames1992]

Spurs have a very good team and I just don't see an obvious realistic trade that would make them significantly better.
Agreed.

[td4mvp2k]

could this be because jackson is about a done deal? casspi comes in and is the backup SF.I want to think thats what it is.
So what's the deal with the Omri Casspi trade rumor? I'm sure Cleveland would trade him for Blair considering he hasn't been playing at all the past 2 months and I know Casspi wants to go to another team. He's a SF who can shoot the 3, and I'm sure he'd improve in our system. Not sure why we wouldn't be trying to make this happen.

Spurs got to get on it.

[mabrignani]

if the spurs pick up casspi Lefty will stop being a spurs fan.

[MR-Clutch]

Unless they're getting a big back it just doesn't make too much sense to trade him.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS) In Minnesota, J.J. Barea is indeed available, as are Luke Ridnour and Derrick Williams, sources say.

This is the sort of trade I wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs make. A true backup pg would fill a semi existent hole. Then again, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Houston-Sacramento deal for Thomas Robinson came together within 48 hours, hatched on Monday and completed today, league source tells Y!

[Brunodf]

I just wish after the deadline Bonner and Blair are gone.

[timvp]

I know Thomas Robinson has sucked as a rookie but, damn, this is amazingly quick to give up on a top 5 pick. He was a really good rebounder in college and most people thought he was a steal at 5 -- some mocks had the Bobcats at 2 selecting him. I think the Rockets got the better end of that deal, especially since they didn't give up anything special. Patterson has been decent this year but nothing too exciting.

Tbh, I don't really like either Morris twin. Their engines never seem to rev out of coast-mode.

[Ice009]

So what's the deal with the Omri Casspi trade rumor? I'm sure Cleveland would trade him for Blair considering he hasn't been playing at all the past 2 months and I know Casspi wants to go to another team. He's a SF who can shoot the 3, and I'm sure he'd improve in our system. Not sure why we wouldn't be trying to make this happen.

Why do you want Casspi? I don't think he would make a difference. Blair is more valuable to us, considering our depth at the big positions. I'd rather the Spurs look at Donte Green or someone like that instead.

[BatManu20]

This is the sort of trade I wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs make. A true backup pg would fill a semi existent hole. Then again, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

It ain't broke, but it could certainly be improved. The Spurs are far from a perfect team. We could really use a backup PG and another athletic big, preferably a stretch 4. I hate Gary Neal bringing up the ball in the playoffs, which he will inevitably do when de Colo and Mills see no PT.

[Darkwaters]

Why would you cheer for Blair to ride the pine in SA when he could move to another team and be a starter/3rd big
trolling in my day meant something..

Hey, you gotta admit, playblair has been a troll that is committed to his character. Retain Blair at ALL costs.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Add one more team to list of those showing interest in @JJRedick (https://twitter.com/JJRedick): San Antonio. Magic, from start, have wanted no less than a first for him

[Darkwaters]

Although I'd still want Baynes to take his spot in the rotation...

That shouldn't be an issue, Blair hasn't been a rotation player for months. The only time he kind of snuck in there was when Duncan was banged up.

[TrueSpursFan]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Add one more team to list of those showing interest in @JJRedick (https://twitter.com/JJRedick): San Antonio. Magic, from start, have wanted no less than a first for him

Hmmm.....

[Brunodf]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Add one more team to list of those showing interest in @JJRedick (https://twitter.com/JJRedick): San Antonio. Magic, from start, have wanted no less than a first for him

Package Blair/Neal/Bonner

[td4mvp2k]

Hey, you gotta admit, playblair has been a troll that is committed to his character. Retain Blair at ALL costs.

:lol

[crc21209]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Add one more team to list of those showing interest in @JJRedick (https://twitter.com/JJRedick): San Antonio. Magic, from start, have wanted no less than a first for him

Nice. :tu But what would it take? Usually the Spurs 1st round picks are in the 25-30th range anyway, I would do it. Would the Magic take Blair? Or do they strictly want picks?

[Ice009]

I'm interested in Redick. I wonder what the Spurs would be willing to give up to get him?

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, Blair won't get it done.

[RD2191]

@JMcDonald_SAEN (https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)


Luke Ridnour reportedly available in Minnesota. If I'm the Spurs, I'm taking a long, hard look at that.

[Darkwaters]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Add one more team to list of those showing interest in @JJRedick (https://twitter.com/JJRedick): San Antonio. Magic, from start, have wanted no less than a first for him

Redick is making like $6M this year though. Won't get him for the typical Blair+Neal configuration.

Bonner + Neal or Bonner + Blair both work though. However, I think both trades would put SA in the tax.

I don't see this trade happening honestly.

[BatManu20]

Redick would be a great pick up but he basically plays the exact same position as Neal so I don't really see the point.. He's a better player obviously, but Neal is a lot cheaper. And the Magic want a top 15 pick for him, not expiring contracts. We don't really have the pieces to get him.

[timvp]

I like Redick in theory but I don't see a deal that makes sense. I'll give up a late first rounder for him. I wouldn't give up Green, Diaw, Splitter, Jackson or anyone important. Neal, Bonner, Blair, etc. could be had but it's difficult to make salaries match.

[td4mvp2k]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Add one more team to list of those showing interest in @JJRedick (https://twitter.com/JJRedick): San Antonio. Magic, from start, have wanted no less than a first for himStein is on some BS :lol

[eDizzle20]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Add one more team to list of those showing interest in @JJRedick (https://twitter.com/JJRedick): San Antonio. Magic, from start, have wanted no less than a first for him


I don't understand why the Spurs want Redick when they have Gary Neal. Two similar players and he is also a rental.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Boris Diaw tweeted an article entitled "Dejuan Blair's Last 24 hours as a Spur?"

I'm not sure that's his real account though. Would be interesting if so.

[BatManu20]

Yea Redick isn't coming here. We don't have the assets, and he's basically a better version of Gary Neal so it doesn't make sense. We need an athletic big and/or a backup PG. But, it's looking more and more like we're not making any trades before the deadline.

[jesterbobman]

If the Magic would give up Reddick, I'd be interested in seeing how the Jazz like him in a Millsap trade. He seems to make sense to them as a shooter with some creative value(This year and resigning him) who could work alongside Burks and whatever PG they dump their own pick/GS pick into getting in this draft.

Skill wise, he's definitely worth #30, but I don't think he'd be a huge upgrade over Green, and it's hard to see a salary match unless expensive parts are included.

[chapnis]

Boris Diaw tweeted an article entitled "Dejuan Blair's Last 24 hours as a Spur?"

I'm not sure that's his real account though. Would be interesting if so.

It wasn't. his is @theborisdiaw

[DesignatedT]

I like Redick and I think he could be great in a Spurs uniform. Just depends on what kind of pay day he's going to get this Summer. If I could swap JJ and Green I would do it everyday of the week if the money was the same but Redick is about to get payed this off-season and DG is at a bargain price of 4m/yr

[MaNu4Tres]

I like Redick in theory but I don't see a deal that makes sense. I'll give up a late first rounder for him. I wouldn't give up Green, Diaw, Splitter, Jackson or anyone important. Neal, Bonner, Blair, etc. could be had but it's difficult to make salaries match.

Bonner/Neal and one of CJ/Mills/De Colo works salary wise. I'd imagine Spurs would have to throw in a first as well..

[Mugen]

I'd rather keep the first rounder/Cory/Depth for a 3 month rental of Reddick.

Ridnour would be a damn good pickup if the Spurs could get him for cheap IMO.

[DesignatedT]

Bonner/Neal and one of CJ/Mills/De Colo works salary wise. I'd imagine Spurs would have to throw in a first as well..

I would do Bonner,Neal,Mills and worry about the future after the season. Redick could help win now even if they don't resign him. Neal is destined to fail once again.

[Mugen]

I would do Bonner,Neal,Mills and worry about the future after the season. Redick could help win now even if they don't resign him. Neal is destined to fail once again.

Gary's hit more big shots in the playoffs than Redick tbh. His shooting declines by a pretty good margin in the postseason.

[ace3g]

Utah Jazz (http://sulia.com/channel/utah-jazz)
Ric Bucher (http://sulia.com/ricbucher/)
+ Trust Overall perspective on trade deadline activity: contrary to the pablum put out by the league -- and regurgitated
by some in the media -- the new CBA has put a drag on making moves for several reasons. First: fear of super luxury tax has almost every team, including the big market ones, reluctant to do anything that is going to put them in jeopardy of paying it. Big market teams already are kicking in money to smaller markets in the revenue sharing system, so they're apparently loathe to add more to the coffers of their less-wealthy opponents. Second: Because of that fear, first-round picks have become far more valuable and less likely to be used to sweeten deals because they offer the potential of acquiring a talented player at a below-market price.

[DesignatedT]

Gary's hit more big shots in the playoffs than Redick tbh. His shooting declines by a pretty good margin in the postseason.

I know that but Redick hasn't seen open shots like the ones he would see here. Neal has regressed tremendously.

[crc21209]

Gary's hit more big shots in the playoffs than Redick tbh. His shooting declines by a pretty good margin in the postseason.

Although he's never been on a team with guys who move the ball like Tony, Tim, and Manu do. He would get more open shots in SA in 3 months than he's seen in all the years he's been in Orlando combined...

[MaNu4Tres]

I would do it and worry about the future after the season. Redick could help win now even if they don't resign him. Neal is destined to fail once again.

It's a no brainer for the Spurs, even if it is a rental for this years playoff push (in all honesty Bonner and Neal are essentially rentals too since they'll most likely be gone next year-- difference is Redick has the ability to make a significant contribution).

Hypothetically, I'd imagine Spurs' second unit would feature Jackson/Manu/Redick in the back court, which somewhat has me worried about the defense-- but then again it can't get much worse than it already is with Neal/De Colo.

Really wish Spurs would talk to Babby in Phoenix and discuss a straight up Blair/2nd for J.Oneal as well. He's having a pretty solid year and his role could be potentially be comparable to Willis' role in 03'.

[Mugen]

I know that but Redick hasn't seen open shots like the ones he would see here.

He saw a lot of good looks when Dwight was drawing those double teams. Problem with a Redick trade is that you still have the same issues you have with Gary now, that Pop doesn't really have room for him in the rotation unless you pigeonhole him into the backup point.

I don't dislike Redick's game but I agree that he's getting paid this summer. I'm not even entirely sold that I want him over Danny tbh as I think Green deserves another shot come playoff time. Definitely don't want JJ at the 8-10 million he'll be asking for in the summer.

[DesignatedT]

He's recently had some bad post-seasons from long range but he's also had postseasons where he shot well over 40% from 3. Like the year ORL went to the finals. In this system if you give a shooter like Redick open looks I like his chances. He's got one of the best looking shots in the NBA.

[lil'mo]

Jj's d is nothing to sneeze at

[timvp]

The Magic have 15 players on their roster so I doubt they will take a 3-for-1 deal for Redick in which they have to drop two players ... especially when the Spurs would just be dangling a 27-30 first round pick.

[DesignatedT]

He saw a lot of good looks when Dwight was drawing those double teams. Problem with a Redick trade is that you still have the same issues you have with Gary now, that Pop doesn't really have room for him in the rotation unless you pigeonhole him into the backup point.

Even more of a reason to get rid of Neal in my eyes. If Pop really tries him out at PG in the playoffs then I guarantee you he fails. I think Manu will be the primary ball handler with the second unit and putting Redick next to him could work the same as Gary I think.


I don't dislike Redick's game but I agree that he's getting paid this summer. I'm not even entirely sold that I want him over Danny tbh as I think Green deserves another shot come playoff time. Definitely don't want JJ at the 8-10 million he'll be asking for in the summer.


Yeah I agree the money is where it doesn't work out.

[Mugen]

Spurs biggest (only IMO) need is a backup PG. Deepest position on the team is the 2 guard.

In terms of best fit & future salary concerns, IMO Ridnour >> JJ

[Mugen]

Even more of a reason to get rid of Neal in my eyes. If Pop really tries him out at PG in the playoffs then I guarantee you he fails. I think Manu will be the primary ball handler with the second unit and putting Redick next to him could work the same as Gary I think.

Definitely a valid concern. As I stated earlier, I'm willing to give guys like Neal/Green a chance to redeem themselves this postseason. I think this team as currently constructed can get out of the West.

Redick's biggest value would be having him guard Wade should they get to the Finals.

[crc21209]

It would be a great move to get Ridnour, but what would it take?

[DesignatedT]

What would you want to trade for Ridnour?

[Mugen]

It would be a great move to get Ridnour, but what would it take?

Any competent GM would prob ask for a first rounder and some young talent like CJ or DeJuan.

Considering it's Kahn, we could prob get him for Bonner and a Ricky Rubio poster.

[DesignatedT]

Can Ridnour defend?

[ace3g]

I don't think this big in terms of complicated trades but is it possible since we heard the rumor of Redick for Mbah a Moute; maybe a 3 team trade: Spurs, Magic, and Bucks somehow. Been trying to work it in trade machine, but I don't usually mess with 3 teams.

[Mugen]

What would you want to trade for Ridnour?

I'd give up a 1st+Bonner if that's all it took. Not sure I'd give up CJ or Nando though.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs biggest (only IMO) need is a backup PG. Deepest position on the team is the 2 guard.

In terms of best fit & future salary concerns, IMO Ridnour >> JJ

I disagree entirely.

Spurs biggest need is a defensive point guard who can shoot and defend the pick and roll well. When it matters, Manu needs to be the creator/facilitator just about every possession with the second unit. Therefore, an offensive point guard isn't necessarily what the Spurs need. The problem with this is there's essentially no 6'4" and under good to great defensive guards in the league, that can shoot and that are available for what the Spurs can offer.

[DesignatedT]

I wish we could pull off like a Ridnour + Williams for Bonner, Blair, Neal, Mills, pick trade.

[crc21209]

It certainly wouldn't hurt to add another shooter like Redick or Ridnour, that's for sure. You never know when guys will go cold in the Playoffs (Like Green did in the WCF's). Having another guy like Redick at the 2 guard or even Ridnour at the point would be great...

[crc21209]

I wish we could pull off like a Ridnour + Williams for Bonner, Blair, Neal, Mills, pick trade.

Damn, that would be a steal...

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd imagine the Magic would prefer keeping De Colo or CJ and Bonner's partial expiring instead of Ish Smith and Dequan Jones, no?

[NASpurs]

I disagree entirely.

Spurs biggest need is a defensive point guard who can shoot and defend the pick and roll well. When it matters, Manu needs to be the creator/facilitator just about every possession with the second unit. Therefore, an offensive point guard isn't necessarily what the Spurs need. The problem with this is there's essentially no 6'4" and under good to great defensive guards in the league, that can shoot and that are available for what the Spurs can offer.

That guy was traded to Indiana but we got Kawhi out of it. :lol Besides, I think Joseph could fit in that particular type of mold but that requires time which the Spurs don't have in a championship or bust type season.

[Mugen]

I disagree entirely.

Spurs biggest need is a defensive point guard who can shoot and defend the pick and roll well. When it matters, Manu needs to be the creator/facilitator just about every possession with the second unit. Therefore, an offensive point guard isn't necessarily what the Spurs need. The problem with this is there's essentially no 6'4" and under good to great defensive guards in the league, that can shoot and that are available for what the Spurs can offer.

Every team would love a defensive PG who can shoot and defend tbh. I can only think of about 1 or 2 that fit that description that aren't starters for other teams.

Bledsoe is really the only backup point that can expose the Spurs in that area. Every other contender, the Spurs can live with giving Gary/Nando 10-12 minutes in the playoffs.

[DesignatedT]

It isn't going to happen but If I can get Redick for Neal, Bonner, Blair then I would do it. Even if they can't figure out a contract for the future and it's just a half a season rental.

[DesignatedT]

Neal is just a horrible defender and him shooting 35% from three on the season is very underwhelming.

[MaNu4Tres]

Every team would love a defensive PG who can shoot and defend tbh. I can only think of about 1 or 2 that fit that description that aren't starters for other teams.

Bledsoe is really the only backup point that can expose the Spurs in that area. Every other contender, the Spurs can live with giving Gary/Nando 10-12 minutes in the playoffs.

I honestly think Cory Joseph has the tools, skills and body to be that player. Unfortunately, the roster as constructed hasn't allowed Joseph the opportunity.

Between Redick and Ridnour though, I'd prefer Redick every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[crc21209]

Neal is just a horrible defender and him shooting 35% from three on the season is very underwhelming.

+1. Every time Neal comes in, the opposing PG or SG goes right at him and eats him up. For example, last night Thomas made him look pretty stupid on a couple of his crossovers, and then Tyreke Evans blew passed him a couple times as well. That, and Neal just isn't as automatic as he was last year. It seemed everytime he put it up last year I felt like it was going in. This year, I don't get that feeling anymore...

[MaNu4Tres]

Neal is just a horrible defender and him shooting 35% from three on the season is very underwhelming.

If Neal had the brains, he could be a 50%/43%+ shooter right now. His problem is his shot selection, which can be very ugly at times.

Redick is not only a better shooter and offensive player than Neal, but he's better defensively and he's much much smarter. Which in the long run, would benefit the Spurs' efficiency to a relevant degree for the rest of the season and playoffs, IMO.

[freemeat]

I know Thomas Robinson has sucked as a rookie but, damn, this is amazingly quick to give up on a top 5 pick. He was a really good rebounder in college and most people thought he was a steal at 5 -- some mocks had the Bobcats at 2 selecting him. I think the Rockets got the better end of that deal, especially since they didn't give up anything special. Patterson has been decent this year but nothing too exciting.

Tbh, I don't really like either Morris twin. Their engines never seem to rev out of coast-mode.

I completely agree with this. The only thing I can think of for SAC making this deal is that, possibly, new management (since reports indicate they were informed and "approved" of the deal) are hoping to create a sort of OKC-type resurrection in Seattle, by essentially "giving up" on a #5 pick -- either because they are hoping for a deeper draft in the future, a better pick with another tanked season, or just didn't think Robinson has the potential.

I think it's a great deal for Houston, because they have the chance to see what Robinson is made of with a minimal-risk rookie contract.

But I think this move is more indicative of the new ownership's confidence in the fact that they are moving...and want to start from scratch. I would expect a bunch more deals coming from the Kings/Supersonics prior to next season that involve draft picks.

[Mugen]

Btw, I think the Rockets made a damn good move with the Robinson trade. He's gonna be a solid 4 and it clears up their logjam for Terrence Jones to get more time, who deserves it IMO.

They weren't getting past the first round anyway and giving up Morris/Patterson doesn't really hurt their chances of making the playoffs. If T-Rob pans out like I think and they manage to lure Dwight from LA, they're poised to be the best Texas team for the next 3-5 years.

[Mugen]

I honestly think Cory Joseph has the tools, skills and body to be that player. Unfortunately, the roster as constructed hasn't allowed Joseph the opportunity.

Between Redick and Ridnour though, I'd prefer Redick every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

+1 on CJ but I'm obviously on the Ridnour side of the debate.

My perfect scenario is the the top 3 West teams stay pat and Nando leapfrogs Neal as the backup point for the rest of the season.

[DesignatedT]

Nando getting minutes in the playoffs is just as frightening to me.

[BatManu20]

Nando getting minutes in the playoffs is just as frightening to me.

I really don;t think he will. I think he'll be used sparingly. His offensive game isn't developed enough yet to log major minutes and his lack of shooting ability will allow defenders to sag off of him and clog the lanes.

[NASpurs]

How many minutes is Parker playing in the playoffs? 38 to 40 minutes which leaves 8 to 10 minutes for that backup PG? I can see those minutes allocated to Manu but with Manu's health, I don't feel too safe in that regard. But saying that, if Manu isn't healthy, this team isn't going anywhere so there's that which makes it a moot point.

[loveforthegame]

Is it me or are the Spurs involved in a lot of these rumors? Moreso than normal? Even if it is BS by one source or another.

[racm]

Is it me or are the Spurs involved in a lot of these rumors? Moreso than normal? Even if it is BS by one source or another.

CIA Pop. All about increasing the value of players known to be on the block.

[Hoops Czar]

No. The rumors are mostly created by the media. The Spurs probably aren't even aware of half the them.

[Pasta Batman]

CIA Pop. All about increasing the value of players known to be on the block.

I would say it's more the agents of players. Hearing the Spurs are interested is validation for the player.

[szkorhetz]

I truly believe that a trade is in the works..

[BatManu20]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bfe2ay6 + a draft pick

or

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b3ccvrr + 1st round pick

Anyone?

[Hoops Czar]

I would say it's more the agents of players. Hearing the Spurs are interested is validation for the player.
The media creates a lot of them. The rest are usually started by the GM's of team's who are trying to drumb up more interest from around the league to possibly get a better deal for their player. I suspect that's what happened with Utah and the LAC. When the Clips found out about the Al Jefferson rumors, the Clips quickly went for the block offering up Bledsoe for Milsap. Now that the Spurs are out on Al, the Clips are content to stand pat. I don't think there was any real interest in Jefferson but the Clippers couldn't take that chance.

[BatManu20]

I'm delirious from the trade deadline

[spurraider21]

Is it me or are the Spurs involved in a lot of these rumors? Moreso than normal? Even if it is BS by one source or another.

Its what happens when you have expiring contracts

[Darkwaters]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bfe2ay6 + a draft pick

or

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b3ccvrr + 1st round pick

Anyone?

Both the Cavs and the Magic have 15 players under contract. You can't do a 3 for 2 trade with either.

[mienhmario]

Im serious, Spurs better make a few trade regarding our length in the power forward position or shooting guard position. I was wondering all these time on why didnt spurs pick up gortat or asik when they werent valuable? Now, they let cole aldrich with the rockets trade and didnt try to pick rashard lewis from miami tells me Spurs are too ignorant to everything else but their system. Piss me off!!!

[Darkwaters]

Im serious, Spurs better make a few trade regarding our length in the power forward position or shooting guard position. I was wondering all these time on why didnt spurs pick up gortat or asik when they werent valuable? Now, they let cole aldrich with the rockets trade and didnt try to pick rashard lewis from miami tells me Spurs are too ignorant to everything else but their system. Piss me off!!!

Really? Are you really saying that Cole Aldrich would put us over the top?

Thats just moronic.

[Mal]

What about Bonner + 1st rounder for Scola ? Phoenix got Morris twins, so Scola would only took theirs minutes. He`s got decent contract with 9mln/2yrs left. And he`s a heluva of a players. Why not ?


Edit:
In before Bruno explain to me. Scola cannot be trade until 1 July 2013. :downspin:

[Bruno]

What about Bonner + 1st rounder for Scola ? Phoenix got Morris twins, so Scola would only took theirs minutes. He`s got decent contract with 9mln/2yrs left. And he`s a heluva of a players. Why not ?

Scola can't be traded before July 1st (that's the rule for claimed amnestied players).

[Bruno]

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/02/21/13/Five-biggest-questions-at-NBA-trade-dead/msn_landing.html?blockID=867467&feedID=3725


Speaking of the Thunder and Spurs, while neither is expected to do anything overly serious, both are quietly doing their due diligence, and could pull off something at the last minute that gives them an edge.

Rumors of the Thunder potentially making a play for Phoenix center Marcin Gortat (for Kendrick Perkins), and the Spurs’ possibly entering the Josh Smith raffle, are real.

[Mal]

Edit:
In before Bruno explain to me. Scola cannot be trade until 1 July 2013. :downspin:



Scola can't be traded before July 1st (that's the rule for claimed amnestied players).
Oh, well

[Bruno]

:lol

[Mal]

:rolleyes

[BatManu20]

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/02/21/13/Five-biggest-questions-at-NBA-trade-dead/msn_landing.html?blockID=867467&feedID=3725

Speaking of the Thunder and Spurs, while neither is expected to do anything overly serious, both are quietly doing their due diligence, and could pull off something at the last minute that gives them an edge.

Rumors of the Thunder potentially making a play for Phoenix center Marcin Gortat (for Kendrick Perkins), and the Spurs’ possibly entering the Josh Smith raffle, are real.

False hope tbh.. Wish it was true though.

[Pop]

The idea of the Thunder trading Perkins seems frightening and more likely to happen than us getting Smith...

That said it would be very exciting if the FO could pull off a Smith trade regardless of what anyone else does. Wonder which one of Green/Tiago they'd be willing to part with, can't imagine a trade that doesn't include at least one of the two.

[mienhmario]

Really? Are you really saying that Cole Aldrich would put us over the top?

Thats just moronic.

if you actually read my post, it never said anything about putting us over the top. I just think cole Aldrich will provide us an added depth that we need in the playoff, especially Rashard Lewis. I believe Lewis would have provided us the great threat we needed and the added length to guard the power forward position. Lewis would have been a better prospect than getting josh smith. If you say smith is better, please look at YouTube videos. Smith doesn't play off the ball. He plays off the dribble. He sucks. I think the spurs should stop being so traditional and open up to other possibilities. As much as I like to deny it, our championship run is closing. The time for championship is now, no exceptions. If we fail to get a title this year, it is due to our ignorant ways.

[BatManu20]

if you actually read my post, it never said anything about putting us over the top. I just think cole Aldrich will provide us an added depth that we need in the playoff, especially Rashard Lewis. I believe Lewis would have provided us the great threat we needed and the added length to guard the power forward position. Lewis would have been a better prospect than getting josh smith. If you say smith is better, please look at YouTube videos. Smith doesn't play off the ball. He plays off the dribble. He sucks. I think the spurs should stop being so traditional and open up to other possibilities. As much as I like to deny it, our championship run is closing. The time for championship is now, no exceptions. If we fail to get a title this year, it is due to our ignorant ways.

Rashard Lewis? Better than Josh Smith? Sorry buddy but you're way off here. Rashard Lewis is averaging 5 points a game this year for a reason.

[mienhmario]

You really don't understand. In Orlando, he played off the ball, spot up shooter. Now, he is in miami but not enough pt to make any statement. Getting him is GOLD. How did we do with Robert Horry? We win champion. We cannot keep denying that this squad will bring us over the top. It just isn't true. We need length and shooting guard if Manu goes into a shooting slump. We need help and this is the Perfect time to do it. If we don't do anything to address this issue that has long been a problem, I will come to dispise the spurs.

[mienhmario]

All we need is one mediocre, lengthy player. There is no excuse for them not to find them. I always thought the higher ups prolly know more than me and that I was dumb, but all these prospects that I had hoped for all blossomed into elite players that deserves a spot in the nba. No excuse, spurs.

[mienhmario]

If we get in reddick, that will help when Manu goes to a shooting slump. It will make us a little better but I don't think we will have enough cap space to give him. Cole Aldrich would have been perfect or Lewis would be ideal. Thomas Robinson was an GOLD pickup for the spurs if they could have make some calls to he Kings. Damnit, spurs. Robinson is an easy 20-10 guy.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

All we need is one mediocre, lengthy player.


:lol


but all these prospects that I had hoped for all blossomed into elite players.

Like Rashard Lewis racking up DNPs during Miami's best stretch of the season?


No excuse, spurs.

:lol

Whose troll is this?

[Darkwaters]

if you actually read my post, it never said anything about putting us over the top. I just think cole Aldrich will provide us an added depth that we need in the playoff, .

A) During the playoffs rotations shorten. Why do we need more depth for the playoffs? Besides, I'd probably rather play Baynes.
B) The guy is averaging 7 mpg in the regular season. What makes you think he'd ever get minutes with us when he has to compete against Duncan/Splitter/Diaw...to say nothing of Bonner/Blair/Baynes?

[mienhmario]

Yo, your really not getting it. We need a center so Duncan can go back to his natural position in PF

[Hoops Czar]

Rather have Reddick than Smith, tbh.

[szkorhetz]

Yo, your really not getting it. We need a center so Duncan can go back to his natural position in PF
Duncan is a center since Robinson retired....

[BatManu20]

Rather have Reddick than Smith, tbh.

We're not getting either. Hopefully we do SOMETHING though, like trade for athletic big or a stretch 4. We need to do something.

[kobyz]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b385htz

[Darkwaters]

Yo, your really not getting it. We need a center so Duncan can go back to his natural position in PF

Why? I think the whole Duncan/Splitter thing is working pretty damn well.

[Hoops Czar]

We're not getting either. Hopefully we do SOMETHING though, like trade for athletic big or a stretch 4. We need to do something.


I agree and hopefully the Spurs can pull off a last second hail mary like last year because I don't think the Spurs can beat the Clippers in a seven game series without making a move.

I wish Hickson was available.

[Em-City]

Why? I think the whole Duncan/Splitter thing is working pretty damn well.

I agree.. It's not 2005 anymore, Duncan is a center now!

[elemento]

So much fear for the Clips. Regular season games mean nothing. We beat OKC last season in the regular season and lost in the playoffs. I think SA can beat anyone in the playoffs the way they are, including the Clips and OKC. As for Hickson, he is a avaiable for a 1st but he has the right to veto a trade and considering that he will lose his bird rights if he accepts a trade, It's really hard to believe he will leave PortlandPS: Boring deadline so far.

[jjktkk]

If we get in reddick, that will help when Manu goes to a shooting slump. It will make us a little better but I don't think we will have enough cap space to give him. Cole Aldrich would have been perfect or Lewis would be ideal. Thomas Robinson was an GOLD pickup for the spurs if they could have make some calls to he Kings. Damnit, spurs. Robinson is an easy 20-10 guy.

Please, go away.

[MANUNG-Ginobili]

so is it safe to say that nothing would happen for the Spurs until the trade deadline strikes?

[Pop]

so is it safe to say that nothing would happen for the Spurs until the trade deadline strikes?

I think it's safe to say that it'd be a disaster if nothing happens, Blair not moved = drama + midget ball and no playing time for the best rebounder on the bench in Baynes. Blair has to be moved at least, that's the minimum they have to do.

[Kawhi fan]

I think it's safe to say that it'd be a disaster if nothing happens, Blair not moved = drama + midget ball and no playing time for the best rebounder on the bench in Baynes. Blair has to be moved at least, that's the minimum they have to do.

Why does Blair sitting on the bench mean Pop can't play Baynes?

Moving Blair would be great, but not for nothing. He is better than the average 37th pick so we should be hoping for at least an early second, if not late first!

[MANUNG-Ginobili]

I think it's safe to say that it'd be a disaster if nothing happens, Blair not moved = drama + midget ball and no playing time for the best rebounder on the bench in Baynes. Blair has to be moved at least, that's the minimum they have to do.

yeah..agree with you on that, seeing Blair sitting in the bench alone is just plain disgusting..

[AFBlue]

Please, go away.

:lmao

[Bruno]

304593656944410624

[eDizzle20]

304593656944410624

I appreciate the Rockets aggressiveness to get better

[Mal]

304593656944410624

Great fit for them, tbh

[TrueSpursFan]

@WojYahooNBA: Toronto has emerged as the frontrunner to land Suns guard Sebastian Telfair in a trade, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Russ]

@WojYahooNBA: Toronto has emerged as the frontrunner to land Suns guard Sebastian Telfair in a trade, league sources tell Y! Sports.

This is what it's come to.

[bklynspursfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Lakers offering Steve Blake, Chris Duhon, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris for 2nd-rounders, sources say. Looking to unload, free roster spots.

[Mal]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Orlando has secured offers of first-round picks for J.J. Redick, sources tell Y! Sports. So far, those belong to teams drafting in the 20's.

Spurs ? And who ?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Orlando has secured offers of first-round picks for J.J. Redick, sources tell Y! Sports. So far, those belong to teams drafting in the 20's.

Spurs ? And who ?

Very unlikely to be the Spurs, it'd be very difficult to construct a trade with Orlando unless a 3rd team is involved.

[elemento]

I don't think it's the Spurs

I don't even think we need Redick tbh. Massively overrated this trade deadline. Looks like Mike Miller part 2. Look at Miller now.

[bklynspursfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Orlando has secured offers of first-round picks for J.J. Redick, sources tell Y! Sports. So far, those belong to teams drafting in the 20's.

Spurs ? And who ?

Maybe Indy?

[eDizzle20]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Orlando has secured offers of first-round picks for J.J. Redick, sources tell Y! Sports. So far, those belong to teams drafting in the 20's.

Spurs ? And who ?

I'm still not understanding the Spurs interest in Redick. Is he a better defender than Neal? To give up a 1st-rounder for a guy that may be done after this season to me is just not worth. Redick shot only 21% from beyond the arc in last year's playoffs.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs aren't in the 20s, they're #30.

About the only Redick trade that makes sense is Green + Bonner + cash to cover Bonner's buyout + 1st for Redick. Even then, the Magic would have to cut someone. That or send a min player to the Spurs, and the Spurs dump Neal for a heavily protected 2nd-rounder to a team with cap space or a trade exception. Quite unlikely imo.

[bklynspursfan]

304609860551573504

[freetiago]

Everyone in the nba is a better defender then Neal
last years playoffs i wouldnt really count
Dwight Coward dropped out at the last minute and they were playing one of the best defensive teams in the nba in Indiana
they had to go to glen davis as a #1 option to create shots for other guys

[Mal]

The Spurs aren't in the 20s, they're #30.


Technicality.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=azj3zvo + 1st rounder. It works, it adds depth for smallball with only 3 legit bigs.

[MR-Clutch]

Much better defender than Neal. He really came a long way since he entered the league.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Hawks, Bucks seriously talking on Josh Smith deal, sources tell Y! Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh among players discussed for Smith, Devin Harris.Adrian Wojnarowski ‏

@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)

Pacers pushing guard D.J. Augustin. Warriors still trying to unload bench players to get out of luxury tax. Heat offering Dexter Pittman.

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)
The Mavs are making a push to acquire Beno Udrih, but must wait while Bucks decide if his contract is needed to complete Josh Smith trade.

[Mal]

When excatly is trade deadline ? I`ve got 4 pm here, so it is 10am New York time. How many hours left ?

[ace3g]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS) Bucks "keep upping the ante" in pursuit of J.J. Redick, source says. Could mean confidence growing that they will land Josh Smith.

[moisaenz]

3 pm new york time

[elemento]

In São Paulo it's 12:28. What's the time for you guys now? How long until the end of the deadline?

Thx

[Trainwreck2100]

4hours 30 minutes

[Mel_13]

9:30 am in San Antonio.

4 1/2 hours to go.

[Spursfanfromafar]

In São Paulo it's 12:28. What's the time for you guys now? How long until the end of the deadline?

Thx

Roughly 4.5 hours more.

[bluebellmaniac]

In São Paulo it's 12:28. What's the time for you guys now? How long until the end of the deadline?

Thx

It's 10:31 am ET, which is New York Time right now.

[moisaenz]

It would be a shame if Blair does not get traded........

[dougp]

For those of you wondering what time it is in NYC, click here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+time+is+it+in+nyc)

[wildbill2u]

Once you get past the untouchables (Big 3, Splitter, Leonard,) from my point of view our two best trade assets are Jax and Blair. Jax because of expiring contract and Blair because he's still cheap as a potential free agent. We might trade some combination of Diaw, Green, Bonner and Neal because of shooting inconsistency and because of defensive flaws if we got something better in return. And of course, there's always DeColo and Mills as fillers.

But who wants/needs any of them? These aren't premier players, just role players. Most are only getting playing time in the NBA & on the Spurs because, even with flaws, they fit into the system and know their roles. None of them could go to another team and be a 'defensive stopper' or a consistent shooter. Their inconsistencies from game to game is why Pop has to shift rotations around from game to game, looking for the one who isn't in a slump.

I just don't see any team wanting these players enough to give up a good player that could easily fit into the Spurs system in 27 games remaining. At the same time, Pop has this rag tag bench bunch playing significant minutes and the Spurs among the top echelon of teams in regular season. He may be doing it with smoke and mirrors (see Cleveland game) but by God, the Spurs play good team basketball and at times are a joy to watch.

[LittleCriminal]

Please TRADE #45!!!

[elemento]

Thank you guys !

[loveforthegame]

The Suns released Luke Zeller instead of Jermaine O'Neal to make room for Morris.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226264/Suns-Release-Luke-Zeller-To-Create-Roster-Spot-For-Morris

[bklynspursfan]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt)
Source says Bucks, Pacers, Spurs, 76ers trying hardest on JJ Redick.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Milwaukee, Phoenix emerging as frontrunners for Josh Smith deal, league sources tell Y! Sports. Boston still a "darkhorse," one source says.

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo (https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)
Pacers, Spurs, Pistons, Bucks and Sixers all interested in Magic's JJ Redick, a source said. Even so, Magic could still keep sharpshooter.

[jiggy_55]

So multiple reliable sources (Aldridge and Spears) have confirmed Spurs interest in JJ Redick. Interesting.

[loveforthegame]

I know the Mavs want a pg but Beno?? :lol

[manufan10]

Chris_Broussard (http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Chris_Broussard) Chris Broussard
With Fab Melo as the bait, Celtics looking to add perimeter scoring. Wizards' Jordan Crawford available @ on their radar

[moisaenz]

I know the Mavs want a pg but Beno?? :lol

He is overpaid..

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Spurs interested on J.J. Redick, but Magic can do better than San Antonio's late first-round pick in 2013.

[jiggy_55]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Spurs interested on J.J. Redick, but Magic can do better than San Antonio's late first-round pick in 2013.

Is that all we can offer?

[TimDunkem]

Indiana or Milwaukee will end up with Reddick, if he's even moved at all.

[moisaenz]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Spurs interested on J.J. Redick, but Magic can do better than San Antonio's late first-round pick in 2013.

What do they want for a rental?

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) While Chicago's trying hard to move Rip Hamilton to lower payroll, Bulls aren't inclined to include draft pick to sweeten deal, sources say.

[jiggy_55]

timvp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8), this thread needs to be automatically refreshed just for today.. Make it 'live'! Thanks!

[dougp]

If the Spurs are persuing hard on Redick, I wonder if they have a deal lined up that would offload a combination of Blair and Green or Neal (I'd think Neal out of those two would be the one to go.)

[Chinook]

If the Spurs are persuing hard on Redick, I wonder if they have a deal lined up that would offload a combination of Blair and Green or Neal (I'd think Neal out of those two would be the one to go.)

Perhaps all three. Redick is making $6.2 Million this season, so the Spurs need to find $5.7 Million in salary to send out. I can't imagine they'd be willing to go into the tax for Redick, but then again, I'm horrified that they are even rumored to be interested.

[moisaenz]

If the Spurs are persuing hard on Redick, I wonder if they have a deal lined up that would offload a combination of Blair and Green or Neal (I'd think Neal out of those two would be the one to go.)

all three make sense contract wise

[jiggy_55]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO)
Spurs start low in offers for Magic's JJ Redick, could throw in player w/offer of first-round pick as NBA trade deadline nears.

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO)
If Spurs' bid for Redick fails, may settle by making bid for Cavs' Daniel Gibson at last minute, source says. Would offer 2nd-rd pick.

[moisaenz]

I dont think the spurs would be willing to lose two of their three point specialists for redick

[will_spurs]

if the spurs pick up casspi Lefty will stop being a spurs fan.

You're talking about this side effect as if it wasn't a clear positive...

[dougp]

I just simply don't see Green and Neal both leaving considering the Spurs have never utilized Mills as an actual SG. Redick isn't a "huge" upgrade over Green, and he wouldn't start. Just because those 3 match up, doesn't mean Orlando would take them - or want them. Spurs are probably last in Orlando's acceptance pile unless they can offload a bad contract as well.

[moisaenz]

but aren't the magic trying to free up cap space.. why would they take green's contract?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Isn't Gibson's last year only partially guaranteed? Supposedly they could cut him to go under the tax in the case that another trade puts them above it.

[said7]

Redick is crap. Horrible defender. I wouldn't give up Green for him. Maybe Blair and Neal, but thats about it.

[bklynspursfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Miami has expressed interest with Denver center Timofey Mozgov, sources tell Y!, but hard to see a path to a deal there.

[Mel_13]

I really believe that most of these bloggers are just making stuff up. If it doesn't happen, nobody notices. If it does, they can claim inside sources for the next round of BS they spew out.

Boobie Gibson? Please...

[bklynspursfan]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO)
If Spurs decide to sweeten pot by adding player to pick in trade attempts, expect that player to be DeJuan Blair.

[Cigamodnalro]

Redick is crap. Horrible defender. I wouldn't give up Green for him. Maybe Blair and Neal, but thats about it.
Redick is not a horrible defender in the least.

As a Magic fan, I am interested in the possible inclusion of Gustavo Ayon in any Spurs deal. Nifty passing big with a favorable contract (TO after every year) and someone with likely appeal to the Mexican-American demographic of SA's fanbase. Spurs were rumored to be interested in Ayon last offseason.

[elemento]

I simply want to understand SAS interest in Redick. I understand that Neal isn't playing well, but if they want a guard, wouldn't it be better to get a PG like Ridnour instead of another SG?

Not to mention all SA would have to do in order to bring Redick's contract. They would have to move Bonner, Blair, Neal and maybe more to stay below the lux tax. To me it makes no sense.

[Mel_13]

Isn't Gibson's last year only partially guaranteed? Supposedly they could cut him to go under the tax in the case that another trade puts them above it.

He's in his last year now. Making 4.8M, all of which is now guaranteed. No trade for Gibson makes any sense at all.

[Cigamodnalro]

An article on the Spurs ties to Ayon (for those who were not previously aware): http://www.projectspurs.com/2011-articles/june/gustavo-ayon-set-to-interview-with-spurs.html

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I really believe that most of these bloggers are just making stuff up. If it doesn't happen, nobody notices. If it does, they can claim inside sources for the next round of BS they spew out.

Boobie Gibson? Please...

Had to check it at shamsports - Gibson's salary is $4 792 332 - all but $2.3M of it guaranteed with no guarantee date. Don't know how it's structured, but it's possible that cutting him could help a team, say Spurs, go under the tax if another trade puts them above the line.

Edit : beaten by the timely answer :toast cheers Mel.

[moisaenz]

could it be stephen jackson for redick and vucevic?

[moisaenz]

An article on the Spurs ties to Ayon (for those who were not previously aware): http://www.projectspurs.com/2011-articles/june/gustavo-ayon-set-to-interview-with-spurs.html

yeah two years ago.

[Mal]

could it be stephen jackson for redick and vucevic?

Vucevic wont be dealt

[Mel_13]

Had to check it at shamsports - Gibson's salary is $4 792 332 - all but $2.3M of it guaranteed with no guarantee date. Don't know how it's structured, but it's possible that cutting him could help a team, say Spurs, go under the tax if another trade puts them above the line.

All partially guaranteed contracts became fully guaranteed on January 10th.

[Chinook]

Had to check it at shamsports - Gibson's salary is $4 792 332 - all but $2.3M of it guaranteed with no guarantee date. Don't know how it's structured, but it's possible that cutting him could help a team, say Spurs, go under the tax if another trade puts them above the line.

Edit : beaten by the timely answer :toast cheers Mel.

ALL contracts became guaranteed for the season on January 10.

EDIT: You win this round, Mel_13

[Chinook]

Bloggers and Twitter folk repeat after me: The Spurs don't need a two-guard. The Spurs don't need a two-guard. The Spurs don't need a two-guard. The Spurs don't need a two-guard.

I'm convince Pop is just messing with people now. Shooting guard is the ONE position that the Spurs really can't use another player.

[loveforthegame]

Ugh. No to Booby Gibson. Do not want at all. Hope that's made up.

[nadroj117]

could it be stephen jackson for redick and vucevic?

Why would they give up Vucevic?! lol That is their prize from the Howard trade.

[bklynspursfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
I discounted San Antonio-Redick talks a bit earlier, but sources insisting there are legitimate scenarios in play that make Spurs a factor.

[Texas_Ranger]

I know the Mavs want a pg but Beno?? :lol

As a starter he's good, but as a backup he just doesn't care.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

the magic have players that could make a reddick deal work. i'd love nicholson/

[Cigamodnalro]

yeah two years ago.
There was rhetoric after last season as well (including--I'm a long-time reader--on the thinktank here). Just seems like one of those inclusions that wouldn't be shocking for either side.

[moisaenz]

Why would they give up Vucevic?! lol That is their prize from the Howard trade.

I know, they would be crazy for doing that, just mentioning since someone stated that we should be shopping for him.

[Obstructed_View]

Bloggers and Twitter folk repeat after me: The Spurs don't need a two-guard. The Spurs don't need a two-guard. The Spurs don't need a two-guard. The Spurs don't need a two-guard.

I'm convince Pop is just messing with people now. Shooting guard is the ONE position that the Spurs really can't use another player.

The Spurs could use a real starting-caliber shooting guard since they refuse to put Manu in the starting lineup where he belongs. That said, I still don't understand why they'd be interested in Redick, because he sucks. It's got to be whoever the Magic would throw in with him, and the Spurs likely have designs on someone.

[TimDunkem]

the magic have players that could make a reddick deal work. i'd love nicholson/

Just...lol

[Obstructed_View]

As a starter he's good, but as a backup he just doesn't care.

He's got a lot of talent, and that always draws teams. People think that a guy can develop a work ethic if he's in the right situation. Rarely happens, but when it does everyone remembers it.

[moisaenz]

what is the possibility of jackson being traded?

[Chinook]

The Spurs could use a real starting-caliber shooting guard since they refuse to put Manu in the starting lineup where he belongs. That said, I still don't understand why they'd be interested in Redick, because he sucks. It's got to be whoever the Magic would throw in with him, and the Spurs likely have designs on someone.

Green is a starting-caliber shooting-guard. Seriously, what does the man have to do for people to stop thinking every run-of-the-mill guard on another team can do his job better?

[Maddog]

I simply want to understand SAS interest in Redick. I understand that Neal isn't playing well, but if they want a guard, wouldn't it be better to get a PG like Ridnour instead of another SG?

Not to mention all SA would have to do in order to bring Redick's contract. They would have to move Bonner, Blair, Neal and maybe more to stay below the lux tax. To me it makes no sense.

Yeah I with you on that one.
I would like him in SA but not sure how it would work.
Makes the Gibson interest seem even more puzzling- An undersized shooting guard not getting a lot of PT on a bad team?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's bad enough we have to watch Bonner get run every night.

Now we're looking at super scrubs in Redick and Boobie Gibson? Pop is just shitting on the end of the TD era.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Latest word out of Boston: Celtics making deadline-day run at player they've pursued before ... Tyreke Evans

[moisaenz]

Most probably POP is not going to make a move he is just having fun on trade deadline day... long rodeo road trip, he is just bored...

[dougp]

The Spurs could use a real starting-caliber shooting guard since they refuse to put Manu in the starting lineup where he belongs. That said, I still don't understand why they'd be interested in Redick, because he sucks. It's got to be whoever the Magic would throw in with him, and the Spurs likely have designs on someone.

How do you qualify this statement? Redick averages more points and assists in a Per36 than Green. Like I said, though, I simply don't see the Spurs moving Green (nor do I see Orlando taking him.)

[Fireball]

Most probably POP is not going to make a move he is just having fun on trade deadline day... long rodeo road trip, he is just bored...

I really would like him to prepare the team for tonights game against the Clippers instead ...

[Mel_13]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
I discounted San Antonio-Redick talks a bit earlier, but sources insisting there are legitimate scenarios in play that make Spurs a factor.

Maybe they are a factor, but not for Redick. The Bucks were linked to Redick, but couldn't agree on a trade. Add a pick or two for the Magic and this could work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ak9l8rs

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i think casspi, mbah a moute, a 1st swap, or a 2nd are the realistic spurs probables this deadline

[ace3g]

Maybe they are a factor, but not for Redick. The Bucks were linked to Redick, but couldn't agree on a trade. Add a pick or two for the Magic and this could work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ak9l8rs

Yeah I was working on something like that last night, since clearly Bucks and Magic had conversations about Redick and Mbah a Moute.

[Chinook]

How do you qualify this statement? Redick averages more points and assists in a Per36 than Green. Like I said, though, I simply don't see the Spurs moving Green (nor do I see Orlando taking him.)

Redick also takes more shots, averages fewer rebounds and lags behind on most defensive metrics. Add in the better 3PT%, and there's no question Green is more useful to a team with a good offensive system installed.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Maybe they are a factor, but not for Redick. The Bucks were linked to Redick, but couldn't agree on a trade. Add a pick or two for the Magic and this could work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ak9l8rs

The trouble is that the Magic are already loaded with 15 players, and while they might waive one off, the ones who seem to be the lowest paid seem to be contributors/ ones with rookie deals on the team. So, them taking more than a player for a player seems a bit difficult.

[moisaenz]

Maybe they are a factor, but not for Redick. The Bucks were linked to Redick, but couldn't agree on a trade. Add a pick or two for the Magic and this could work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ak9l8rs

lol with this trade spurs are "projected" -1 win...

[bklynspursfan]

Maybe they are a factor, but not for Redick. The Bucks were linked to Redick, but couldn't agree on a trade. Add a pick or two for the Magic and this could work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ak9l8rs

I like that scenario.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

How do you qualify this statement? Redick averages more points and assists in a Per36 than Green. Like I said, though, I simply don't see the Spurs moving Green (nor do I see Orlando taking him.)

You do realize basketball must be played at both ends of the court, right?

[Chinook]

I've been proposing that Mbah a Moute deal for as long as Milwaukee has been in trade rumors (like weeks ago). I hope that's something the Spurs consider, as depth at the forward spots may actually end up begin useful.

[Samr.]

I think the fireworks for the Spurs wont start until AFTER the trade deadline. Thats when teams start to tank, players get waived, and good pieces like Boris Diaw end up being FAs who are looking to play for a contender.

[Chinook]

The trouble is that the Magic are already loaded with 15 players, and while they might waive one off, the ones who seem to be the lowest paid seem to be contributors/ ones with rookie deals on the team. So, them taking more than a player for a player seems a bit difficult.

It probably wouldn't be hard to ship Blair to another team off for a trade exception and a protected second. Teams will take Blair for free.

[dougp]

Redick also takes more shots, averages fewer rebounds and lags behind on most defensive metrics. Add in the better 3PT%, and there's no question Green is more useful to a team with a good offensive system installed.

Both shoot 45%, with Green 3% more on 3P ... Regardless, we're not talking about a Green for Redick swap.

[Mel_13]

The trouble is that the Magic are already loaded with 15 players, and while they might waive one off, the ones who seem to be the lowest paid seem to be contributors/ ones with rookie deals on the team. So, them taking more than a player for a player seems a bit difficult.

If that's the biggest obstacle to that trade, I'm confident that it could be overcome.

[Mal]

I think the fireworks for the Spurs wont start until AFTER the trade deadline. Thats when teams start to tank, players get waived, and good pieces like Boris Diaw end up being FAs who are looking to play for a contender.

Nobody will waive anyone better that couldnt be aquired with Jax expiring, Bonner, Blair,Neal, 1st rounder in any combination

[dougp]

You do realize basketball must be played at both ends of the court, right?

Yup ... I'm not some random GNSF. I do believe you can read and understand that at no point did I say that Redick is a good/great defender - but I'd take him over Neal if you want to play defense.

[Despot]

http://kingjamesgospel.com/2013/02/21/nba-trade-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-redick-gibson/


San Antonio Spurs Could Trade for Redick or Gibson

[Chinook]

Both shoot 45%, with Green 3% more on 3P ... Regardless, we're not talking about a Green for Redick swap.

But we are. If the Spurs trade for Redick, it means one of three things:

Green is going be replaced by Redick, either in the roster or in the lineup.

The Spurs don't think Ginobili will be able to go for the playoffs (crazy unlikely, seeing as Manu is back)

The Spurs plan to play more three-guard lineups with Green, Ginobili and/or Redick coming in for Leonard. If that were the case, then the Spurs already have good candidates for a third guard on the team with Neal and Mills.

Basically, trading for Redick would be a judgement against the two spot right now. There's no reason why they Spurs should be upset with the production they're getting currently from the position.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) Rumbles persist that Hamed Haddadi & second-rounder to Phoenix to bring Bassy Telfair to Toronto is likely outcome in final hour of deadline

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)
Sebastian Telfair to TOR makes sense. He's close with Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay and Alan Anderson. They train together every summer in Las Vegas.

[moisaenz]

But we are. If the Spurs trade for Redick, it means one of three things:

Green is going be replaced by Redick, either in the roster or in the lineup.

The Spurs don't think Ginobili will be able to go for the playoffs (crazy unlikely, seeing as Manu is back)

The Spurs plan to play more three-guard lineups with Green, Ginobili and/or Redick coming in for Leonard. If that were the case, then the Spurs already have good candidates for a third guard on the team with Neal and Mills.

Basically, trading for Redick would be a judgement against the two spot right now. There's no reason why they Spurs should be upset with the production they're getting currently from the position.

why would you play a three guard lineup when you have jackson?

[Mal]

why would you play a three guard lineup when you have jackson?

Smallball perhaps