Gay couples and adoption?

[Avante]

When my daughter calls it's usually.."hey dad, is mom around?" When my son wants some advice, watch the rasslin', toss the ball around, it's him and me. There are just some things where a daughter needs her mom and a son needs his dad. No teenage girl wants to talk to dad about her little situation. No boy wants to come to his mom over that school bully.

I know here's where we read....

If they both love the child, that's all that matters.

Stats have proven that kids who are adopted by gay parents do just as well...............

I find that hard to believe. Just yesterday....

Mason...wanna wrestle?
me...I'll just kick you ass.

He can't play that with mom, he can't go to the movies to see....The Avengers, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor...with mom. He can't drink a beer (at 19) with mom, hell, we have to sneak around. He can't talk about girls with mom. He can't...that Ryback (rassler) is a monster, he's bigger than you...with mom, she has no clue who Ryback is. Mom can't teach him how to fight, lift, play ball. How to play some harmonica, slide guitar.

Imagine two gay guys trying to raise a little girl, come on, that ain't right.

Shouldn't a child have the right to be raised in a normal setting? Would it be fair to them to deprive them of a mom or a dad? Why would anyone want that for a child?

As we all know kids can be cruel, showing up at some school function with your two dads, we all know how that's going to go.

If at all possible you place a child in a traditional home setting, that would be with a mom and a dad. Anything else isn't fair to the child.

[Chief Brody]

No, it's not fair to the kid. I'm all for them sponsoring a child if they want, though.

[ChumpDumper]

Avante's premise is that everyone else is as stupid, bigoted and as closed minded as he is.

And fat. He's also fat.

[Clipper Nation]

Hey look, it's another retarded thread from Avante!

[resistanze]

Isn't rasslin' with your son pretty gay?

[Gay Robot]

I knew you wanted me!!!!! THere is no way you can post so much gay stuff without being at least a little curious. I can read behind the lines and yes yes YES I will 69 you!!! You've made me the happiest gay robot ever!!!!

[bus driver]

Isn't rasslin' with your son pretty gay?


:lmao

classic






if this was the 50s, i would say this thread is right on. but since it is not then this thread gets two thumbs down

[silverblk mystix]

When my daughter calls it's usually.."hey dad, is mom around?" When my son wants some advice, watch the rasslin', toss the ball around, it's him and me. There are just some things where a daughter needs her mom and a son needs his dad. No teenage girl wants to talk to dad about her little situation. No boy wants to come to his mom over that school bully.

I know here's where we read....

If they both love the child, that's all that matters.

Stats have proven that kids who are adopted by gay parents do just as well...............

I find that hard to believe. Just yesterday....

Mason...wanna wrestle?
me...I'll just kick you ass.

He can't play that with mom, he can't go to the movies to see....The Avengers, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor...with mom. He can't drink a beer (at 19) with mom, hell, we have to sneak around. He can't talk about girls with mom. He can't...that Ryback (rassler) is a monster, he's bigger than you...with mom, she has no clue who Ryback is. Mom can't teach him how to fight, lift, play ball. How to play some harmonica, slide guitar.

Imagine two gay guys trying to raise a little girl, come on, that ain't right.

Shouldn't a child have the right to be raised in a normal setting? Would it be fair to them to deprive them of a mom or a dad? Why would anyone want that for a child?

As we all know kids can be cruel, showing up at some school function with your two dads, we all know how that's going to go.

If at all possible you place a child in a traditional home setting, that would be with a mom and a dad. Anything else isn't fair to the child.



I have to disagree with you Avante.

Just look at chumpie and Blake -they turned out ok....wait!

Nevermind.



:lmao

[THEGOAT]

i see no issue with gay couples and adoption it can't be any worse than all the single parents

[Avante]

Isn't rasslin' with your son pretty gay?

Who looks at it like that? We don't.

[Avante]

i see no issue with gay couples and adoption it can't be any worse than all the single parents

So a girl really doesn't need a mom, a son really doesn't need a father?

[TeyshaBlue]

When my daughter calls it's usually.."hey dad, is mom around?" When my son wants some advice, watch the rasslin', toss the ball around, it's him and me. There are just some things where a daughter needs her mom and a son needs his dad. No teenage girl wants to talk to dad about her little situation. No boy wants to come to his mom over that school bully.

I know here's where we read....

If they both love the child, that's all that matters.

Stats have proven that kids who are adopted by gay parents do just as well...............

I find that hard to believe. Just yesterday....

Mason...wanna wrestle?
me...I'll just kick you ass.

He can't play that with mom, he can't go to the movies to see....The Avengers, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor...with mom. He can't drink a beer (at 19) with mom, hell, we have to sneak around. He can't talk about girls with mom. He can't...that Ryback (rassler) is a monster, he's bigger than you...with mom, she has no clue who Ryback is. Mom can't teach him how to fight, lift, play ball. How to play some harmonica, slide guitar.

Imagine two gay guys trying to raise a little girl, come on, that ain't right.

Shouldn't a child have the right to be raised in a normal setting? Would it be fair to them to deprive them of a mom or a dad? Why would anyone want that for a child?

As we all know kids can be cruel, showing up at some school function with your two dads, we all know how that's going to go.

If at all possible you place a child in a traditional home setting, that would be with a mom and a dad. Anything else isn't fair to the child.

Society continues to evolve. Normalcy is completely objective, plastic, and redefined as society moves in a particular direction.

"Stats have proven that kids who are adopted by gay parents do just as well...............I find that hard to believe."

That may very well be, but stats do not lie. Nor do the multitude of studies conducted on this.
I've known mothers who could handle these "manly" topics...my Grandmother was one of 'em.
Alternately, I was able to raise my daughter quite well. We had many discussions you seem unable to fathom. They happened, and my experience is really not unique at all. Would she have done better had her Mother and I stayed together? Unquestionably, no. Her mother shaped object was completely unable to raise her and her brother which is why the court awarded custody to me.
Would she have fared better had she been raised in a "normal" family? Dunno. That definition is changing as we speak. In a "traditional" family,(the phrase you seem to be working towards), there is no question children benefit from a balanced, Mom+ Dad perspective. But to say that without a man and a woman in these roles the child is being somehow shortchanged is demonstrably false. Conventional wisdom often is.

"He can't play that with mom, he can't go to the movies to see....The Avengers, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor...with mom. He can't drink a beer (at 19) with mom, hell, we have to sneak around. He can't talk about girls with mom. He can't...that Ryback (rassler) is a monster, he's bigger than you...with mom, she has no clue who Ryback is. Mom can't teach him how to fight, lift, play ball. How to play some harmonica, slide guitar."
I think you short-change people. I've known many mothers who could handle these "manly" topics. They're a dime a dozen from my neck of the woods.

[I. Hustle]

While I personally don't really agree with homosexuality, which is my right, I don't know that I would prefer to have some poor kid rot in the system over living in a home with people that will love him/her. That's a tough one that my wife and I have talked about. Not tough in that I would say no to them adopting just tough because of how I feel about homosexuality.

Before I get beat down with the "what's wrong with two people who love each other" stuff, it's my right to disagree just as it is their right to live that lifestyle. I would never tell someone that they can't live how they want to I just choose not to agree with it. I'm not telling you that my way is right or the only way.

[I. Hustle]

So a girl really doesn't need a mom, a son really doesn't need a father?

You're right, they don't need either one. Let them bounce around in foster care and in group homes. That makes WAY more sense. In fact, take away all those children who have single parents.

[TeyshaBlue]

While I personally don't really agree with homosexuality, which is my right, I don't know that I would prefer to have some poor kid rot in the system over living in a home with people that will love him/her. That's a tough one that my wife and I have talked about. Not tough in that I would say no to them adopting just tough because of how I feel about homosexuality.

Before I get beat down with the "what's wrong with two people who love each other" stuff, it's my right to disagree just as it is their right to live that lifestyle. I would never tell someone that they can't live how they want to I just choose not to agree with it. I'm not telling you that my way is right or the only way.

Word.:toast

[I. Hustle]

"He can't play that with mom, he can't go to the movies to see....The Avengers, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor...with mom. He can't drink a beer (at 19) with mom, hell, we have to sneak around. He can't talk about girls with mom. He can't...that Ryback (rassler) is a monster, he's bigger than you...with mom, she has no clue who Ryback is. Mom can't teach him how to fight, lift, play ball. How to play some harmonica, slide guitar."
I think you short-change people. I've known many mothers who could handle these "manly" topics. They're a dime a dozen from my neck of the woods.

Word, he must have always been around weak, no backboned, small minded women all his life.

[Avante]

Society continues to evolve. Normalcy is completely objective, plastic, and redefined as society moves in a particular direction.

"Stats have proven that kids who are adopted by gay parents do just as well...............I find that hard to believe."

That may very well be, but stats do not lie. Nor do the multitude of studies conducted on this.
I've known mothers who could handle these "manly" topics...my Grandmother was one of 'em.
Alternately, I was able to raise my daughter quite well. We had many discussions you seem unable to fathom. They happened, and my experience is really not unique at all. Would she have done better had her Mother and I stayed together? Unquestionably, no. Her mother shaped object was completely unable to raise her and her brother which is why the court awarded custody to me.
Would she have fared better had she been raised in a "normal" family? Dunno. That definition is changing as we speak. In a "traditional" family,(the phrase you seem to be working towards), there is no question children benefit from a balanced, Mom+ Dad perspective. But to say that without a man and a woman in these roles the child is being somehow shortchanged is demonstrably false. Conventional wisdom often is.

"He can't play that with mom, he can't go to the movies to see....The Avengers, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor...with mom. He can't drink a beer (at 19) with mom, hell, we have to sneak around. He can't talk about girls with mom. He can't...that Ryback (rassler) is a monster, he's bigger than you...with mom, she has no clue who Ryback is. Mom can't teach him how to fight, lift, play ball. How to play some harmonica, slide guitar."
I think you short-change people. I've known many mothers who could handle these "manly" topics. They're a dime a dozen from my neck of the woods.

So you know women who played HS football, know all about the rasslin', have been in a lot of fights...? You know women where a boy would want to talk about girls with them? You know women who get out and change that flat while hubby watchs. You know women where it's them who get out of bed at 4am to check that noise in the night while hubby hides in the covers? You know women who will buy the boy some beer and sit and drink one with him? You know women who play poker with their son? I don't.

So you have no problems with two gay men trying to raise a little girl?


You do know there are also studies out there (will paste if need be) proving that the best situation for any child is a normal life with a mom and a dad.

Talk to me about real life here and how the other children view that abnormal situation. All the kids but Johnny have a mom and dd or a mom anyway, then there's his two dads. What will the other parents be thinking?

So if a child could be placed in a normal home or a gay one, you'd wouldn't care which one they ended up in with everything else being equal?

[Avante]

Word, he must have always been around weak, no backboned, small minded women all his life.

Did mom play football, wrestle, get in fights, drink beer, play poker....ah ..no. Did yours?

[I. Hustle]

So you know women who played HS football, know all about the rasslin', have been in a lot of fights...? You know women where a boy would want to talk about girls with them? You know women who get out and change that flat while hubby watchs. You know women where it's them who get out of bed at 4am to check that noise in the night while hubby hides in the covers? You know women who will buy the boy some beer and sit and drink one with him? You know women who play poker with their son? I don't.

So you have no problems with two gay men trying to raise a little girl?


You do know they are also studies out there (will paste if need be) proving that the best situation for any child is a normal life with a mom and a dad.

Talk to me about real life here and how the other children view that abnormal situation. All the kids but Johnny have a mom and dd or a mom anyway, then there's his two dads. What will the other parents be thinking?

So if a child could be placed in a normal home or a gay one, you'd wouldn't care which one they ended up in with everything else being equal?

Now you are just reaching. Who says guys have to play football and "rassle"? Growing up, I used to go to my mom all the time for advice on chicks, it helped me out big time in that department.
Who says that the wife changes the tire while hubby watches? Who is to say that there is even a hubby? People get divorced, die, etc.

Either you are just trollin' trollin' trollin' or are really that stupid. I pick the latter.

[I. Hustle]

Did mom play football, wrestle, get in fights, drink beer, play poker....ah ..no. Did yours?

Who says mom has to play football or wrestle? Was your dad your coach too? I know plenty of woem who play poker and drink beer even though my dear old ma didn't. Your bitch must be weak as shit to not be able to think for herself and figure out a way to communicate with her boy.

[DisAsTerBot]

lol avante's mom and wife only know about cooking and cleaning. What simple women. Explains a lot

[Avante]

Now you are just reaching. Who says guys have to play football and "rassle"? Growing up, I used to go to my mom all the time for advice on chicks, it helped me out big time in that department.
Who says that the wife changes the tire while hubby watches? Who is to say that there is even a hubby? People get divorced, die, etc.

Either you are just trollin' trollin' trollin' or are really that stupid. I pick the latter.

Stupid is not knowing the difference between a man and a woman. Yep, we are different...honest!

A boy needs to grow up with a man in his life, if you don't understsand that I can't help you. Tons of studies have proven that...fact. A girl needs her mom, that's simply common sense, once again tons of studies have proven that...fact.

Believe it or not there really are some things a boy can only get from a dad and a girl can only get from her mom.

[leemajors]

A child needs parents that love and care for them - the gender combination is irrelevant.

[TeyshaBlue]

So you know women who played HS football, know all about the rasslin', have been in a lot of fights...?

lol. Playing HS football means very, very little in the larger scheme of things. Any grandmother from Texas could give you a run for your money re: classic rasslin'. More popular than soaps with that crowd. lol Having been in alot of fights is meaningless. My aunt could completely disassemble you, yet she never was in a fight. She was, however, Tae Kwon Do instuctor and competed nationally, so yeah.
You know women where a boy would want to talk about girls with them? You know women who get out and change that flat while hubby watchs. You know women where it's them who get out of bed at 4am to check that noise in the night while hubby hides in the covers? You know women who will buy the boy some beer and sit and drink one with him? You know women who play poker with their son? I don't.

Obviously. Doesn't mean they don't exist.

So you have no problems with two gay men trying to raise a little girl?

lol @ trying. Your narrative chains you. No...I don't have a problem with two gay men raising a girl. I've known a few of those as well.


You do know they are also studies out there (will paste if need be) proving that the best situation for any child is a normal life with a mom and a dad.

There you go, using the word "normal" again. Substitute traditional and you'll see I already answered that question.

Talk to me about real life here and how the other children view that abnormal situation. All the kids but Johnny have a mom and dd or a mom anyway, then there's his two dads. What will the other parents be thinking?

Seriously, what matters what the other parents are thinking? News flash. Other parents think dumb shit about kids with "normal" parents.

So if a child could be placed in a normal home or a gay one, you'd wouldn't care which one they ended up in with everything else being equal?

All that matters to me is whether or not the child receives the care, respect and love they are due. There are few, if any, gender qualifications for those.

[TeyshaBlue]

A boy needs to grow up with a man in his life, if you don't understsand that I can't help you. Tons of studies have proven that...fact. A girl needs her mom, that's simply common sense, once again tons of studies have proven that...fact.

Believe it or not there really are some things a boy can only get from a dad and a girl can only get from her mom.

I'm pretty sure your narrative is interpreting those "studies" for you.

[Avante]

A child needs parents that love and care for them - the gender combination is irrelevant.

Obviously a child needs loving parents, ya reckon? But to deprive a child of a normal family setting is wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

All that matters is that the child isn't brought up by insecure, weak-minded bigots like Avante.

[Avante]

I'm pretty sure your narrative is interpreting those "studies" for you.

Not at all, simply going with the realities of the situation. Why not give a child a normal life if possible.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol @ normal.

[TeyshaBlue]

Not at all, simply going with the realities of the situation. Why not give a child a normal life if possible.

I did.

[ChumpDumper]

I did.And teh gheys do.

[TeyshaBlue]

"People want to know: How will boys learn to become men? Where will they find their role models? Will they grow up to be gay?

Here's the truth: "Boyness" is inherent. It doesn't have to be instilled, or taught. The boys I encountered in my work devised boyhoods using not just social cues, but what seemed like innate male-identity-building talents. They rode skateboards, they turned sticks into swords, toast into guns, they were leaders on sports teams. No one taught them to do these things. They just had it in them. And, in fact, all the research has reported children of gay parents feel less bound, less restricted, by gender stereotypes than those raised in straight households. They were freer to pursue a wide range of interests. There were no "boy things," no "girl things." Just kid things. That's key."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/the-kids-are-alright-gay_b_1539166.html

[Avante]

"People want to know: How will boys learn to become men? Where will they find their role models? Will they grow up to be gay?

Here's the truth: "Boyness" is inherent. It doesn't have to be instilled, or taught. The boys I encountered in my work devised boyhoods using not just social cues, but what seemed like innate male-identity-building talents. They rode skateboards, they turned sticks into swords, toast into guns, they were leaders on sports teams. No one taught them to do these things. They just had it in them. And, in fact, all the research has reported children of gay parents feel less bound, less restricted, by gender stereotypes than those raised in straight households. They were freer to pursue a wide range of interests. There were no "boy things," no "girl things." Just kid things. That's key."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/the-kids-are-alright-gay_b_1539166.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158671/Love-father-contributes-childs-development-mother-study-claims.html

[ChumpDumper]

"People want to know: How will boys learn to become men? Where will they find their role models? Will they grow up to be gay?

Here's the truth: "Boyness" is inherent. It doesn't have to be instilled, or taught. The boys I encountered in my work devised boyhoods using not just social cues, but what seemed like innate male-identity-building talents. They rode skateboards, they turned sticks into swords, toast into guns, they were leaders on sports teams. No one taught them to do these things. They just had it in them. And, in fact, all the research has reported children of gay parents feel less bound, less restricted, by gender stereotypes than those raised in straight households. They were freer to pursue a wide range of interests. There were no "boy things," no "girl things." Just kid things. That's key."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/the-kids-are-alright-gay_b_1539166.htmlBut how will they learn about gay wrestling?

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158671/Love-father-contributes-childs-development-mother-study-claims.htmlThis study actually shits on your premise.

I am convinced you are an idiot.

[Avante]

paste


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/642339/thumbs/s-GAY-PARENTS-large.jpg Controversial study suggests having gay parents could have downside, but social scientists cry foul.


By: Stephanie Pappas, LiveScience Senior Writer
Published: 06/11/2012 04:59 PM EDT on LiveScience


A new study claiming to find disadvantages for children raised by same-sex parents is attracting criticism from social scientists, who say that the research does not actually address how well gay and lesbians parent.
The research surveyed almost 3,000 18- to 39-year-olds. Most were raised by heterosexual parents, but 175 had mothers who at one point had same-sex relationships (http://www.livescience.com/20148-gay-sex-marriage-support.html) and another 73 of whom had dads once in same-sex relationships. The results suggested that children of these parents are more likely than kids in other family structures to be on public assistance, unemployed or in therapy as adults, among other negative outcomes.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158671/Love-father-contributes-childs-development-mother-study-claims.html

Finding was part of large-scale analysis of research about the power of parental rejection


http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, dummy.

Post a link.

Lesbian parents know how to post links.

[TeyshaBlue]

paste


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/642339/thumbs/s-GAY-PARENTS-large.jpg Controversial study suggests having gay parents could have downside, but social scientists cry foul.


By: Stephanie Pappas, LiveScience Senior Writer
Published: 06/11/2012 04:59 PM EDT on LiveScience


A new study claiming to find disadvantages for children raised by same-sex parents is attracting criticism from social scientists, who say that the research does not actually address how well gay and lesbians parent.
The research surveyed almost 3,000 18- to 39-year-olds. Most were raised by heterosexual parents, but 175 had mothers who at one point had same-sex relationships (http://www.livescience.com/20148-gay-sex-marriage-support.html) and another 73 of whom had dads once in same-sex relationships. The results suggested that children of these parents are more likely than kids in other family structures to be on public assistance, unemployed or in therapy as adults, among other negative outcomes.

If you're going to post a cite, at least post the whole thing or a link to it. Otherwise, cherry picked garbage.

[Drachen]

So a girl really doesn't need a mom, a son really doesn't need a father?

a vagina doesn't make a mom and a pair of testes and a shaft doesn't make a dad.

[Avante]

Finding was part of large-scale analysis of research about the power of parental rejection


http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

What was actually talked about if you'd paid attention was the imporatance of a father in the home, how could you have missed that?

[Avante]

If you're going to post a cite, at least post the whole thing or a link to it. Otherwise, cherry picked garbage.

Are you really going to read pages?


Ok

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/father-son-relationships-dad-raising-boy_n_3186191.html

[ChumpDumper]

What was actually talked about if you'd paid attention was the imporatance of a father in the home, how could you have missed that?It actually said a father in the home can be quite detrimental if he's an asshole.

Have a real man read it to you.

[TeyshaBlue]

Are you really going to read pages?


Ok

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/father-son-relationships-dad-raising-boy_n_3186191.html
"And remember that the way a father affirms his son depends on things like his culture and community and his son’s temperament and interests. The objective of affirmation is to meet a son at his particular point of need and to connect with him -- heart to heart. Indeed, there is no cookie-cutter approach to affirmation. "
"But what all of these acts of affirmation, big and small, communicate to your son is that you are his advocate and that your love is abiding and unconditional."

Funny. That article is exhorting fathers to emphasize anything that wasn't on your list of fatherly attributes. Indeed, nowhere in the article is it even implied that the father is the only one who can provide the nuturing described. Try again.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you really going to read pages?


Ok

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/father-son-relationships-dad-raising-boy_n_3186191.htmlThat wasn't the paged you cited, dummy.

Why are you so dumb?

Did your father teach you to be dumb?

[TeyshaBlue]

What was actually talked about if you'd paid attention was the imporatance of a father in the home, how could you have missed that?

No, actually. That wasn't what was being discussed.

"Examining the cases of more than 10,000 sons and daughters revealed how a cold or distant father can damage a child’s life, sometimes for decades to come.
The review of 36 studies from around the world concluded that his love is at least as important to youngsters as that of their mothers."

[TeyshaBlue]

Look Avante. You have a viewpoint and I can respect that. All I ask is that you respect others' as well.

[TeyshaBlue]

And yeah, I read pages.

[Drachen]

No, actually. That wasn't what was being discussed.

"Examining the cases of more than 10,000 sons and daughters revealed how a cold or distant father can damage a child’s life, sometimes for decades to come.
The review of 36 studies from around the world concluded that his love is at least as important to youngsters as that of their mothers."
... but not the rasslin' kind of love.

[Avante]

No, actually. That wasn't what was being discussed.

"Examining the cases of more than 10,000 sons and daughters revealed how a cold or distant father can damage a child’s life, sometimes for decades to come.
The review of 36 studies from around the world concluded that his love is at least as important to youngsters as that of their mothers."

You totally and completely missed the point...wow!


Here ya go...

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080707

[Drachen]

And yeah, I read pages.

he doesn't

[TeyshaBlue]

You totally and completely missed the point...wow!


Here ya go...

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080707

An op-ed without a single data point or a linked study? Ooook. The internets wins.

[TeyshaBlue]

If it's on the internets, it must be true.

bonjour

[Avante]

Look Avante. You have a viewpoint and I can respect that. All I ask is that you respect others' as well.

Too much out there showing how bad an idea it is to deprive a child of a man and a woman in his life.

[Avante]

If it's on the internets, it must be true.

bonjour

It's also in a ton of books.

[TeyshaBlue]

So it boils down to "My view point is the only one that's correct". Again.

Fuck.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's also in a ton of books.

Yeah, and I can post alot of them too. What's your point?

[Avante]

An op-ed without a single data point or a linked study? Ooook. The internets wins.

You have any idea at all how much is out there talking about the negativity of gay adoption?

[TeyshaBlue]

Too much out there showing how bad an idea it is to deprive a child of a man and a woman in his life.

Such a small mind, you have. Pathetic. I'm done here.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I think that if you're willing to love and care for them then anyone should be eligible to adopt a gay couple.

[Avante]

Yeah, and I can post alot of them too. What's your point?

It isn't real obvious?

[CitizenDwayne]

The Pussification continues

[Avante]

Such a small mind, you have. Pathetic. I'm done here.

I see how things really are, you need to give it a shot.

[ChumpDumper]

You totally and completely missed the point...wow!He directly quoted your article, dummy.

Just how dumb are you?



Here ya go...

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080707Dummy keeps googling.

[ChumpDumper]

It isn't real obvious?It's obvious you're an idiot.

Seriously, anyone who brags about playing "organized" club football is the most insecure person on the internets.

[Avante]

This pretty much says it all.

hV1w3-9Xz3c

Check out the stats,

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, it says you're a cherry picking, club football playing idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

Here, let's cherry pick and jump to conclusions:

Watching Wrestling Linked to Teen Dating Violence

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2274722

That says it all. Guys who watch pro wrestling end up beating their wives since they really want to have sex with other men.

[Avante]

http://rt.com/news/putin-ban-gay-adoption-636/

[ChumpDumper]

http://rt.com/news/putin-ban-gay-adoption-636/You actually think citing Putin helps your argument?

[Avante]

My dad and all of you reading this had a dad who taught you stuff a mom never would have. You women out there know how different your relationship with mom is from dad.

That is real life.

[ohmwrecker]

What a meatheaded troglodyte you are.

[ChumpDumper]

My dad and all of you reading this had a dad who taught you stuff a mom never would have. You women out there know how different your relationship with mom is from dad.

That is real life.Are you so stupid as to believe every person in this forum was brought up by a mother and father?

You are really, really stupid.

[Avante]

What a meatheaded troglodyte you are.


You ever try and educate yourself about this?


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Back in 1976, Cassidy’s mom had a religious ceremony with a woman named Pat. To make Cassidy, they did artificial insemination at home, mixing the sperm of two gay friends “to make sure nobody would ever know who the father was,” says Cassidy. (That was in the days before widespread DNA testing.) The two women stayed together for 16 years, until Pat died. Three years later, Cassidy’s mother married a man.What was it like for Cassidy being raised by two women she called “Mom” and “My Pat”?

“When growing up, I always had the feeling of being something unnatural,” Cassidy says. “I came out of an unnatural relationship; it was something like I shouldn’t be there. On a daily basis, it was something I was conflicted with. I used to wish, honestly that Pat wasn’t there.”

Why does she oppose same-sex marriage? “It’s not something that a seal of approval should be stamped on: We shouldn’t say it is a great and wonderful thing and then you have all these kids who later in life will turn around and realize they’ve been cheated. The adults choose to have that lifestyle and then have a kid. They are fulfilling their emotional needs — they want to have a child — and they are not taking into account how that’s going to feel to the child; there’s a clear difference between having same-sex parents and a mom and a dad.”

Sounds judgmental in print. But up close, Cassidy comes across as fiercely protective of her mom (Cassidy is a pen name she’s adopted to protect her mom’s privacy). Like many children of same-sex parents, she was expected to defend and protect her mothers from society’s homophobia. Her own troubled feelings about her family life were clearly unacceptable to her parents. Even now, the prospect of speaking about her own experience gives her the shakes.
Cassidy’s story is not science. It’s just her own feelings. Many researchers say most kids do just fine in these alternative family forms. Cassidy doesn’t buy that research, though. “I don’t think a fair study could be conducted because children currently in that family wouldn’t necessarily be open to speaking their true feelings about it.”

[ChumpDumper]

Cassidy’s story is not science.:lol

[benefactor]

That is real life.
No...real life is kids that are stuck in the system. I never knew just how bad foster care is until I started working directly with troubled kids. Foster parents that don't give a shit about the kids and only want a check, foster parents that abuse the kids, kids in the foster home that abuse other kids while foster parents look the other way...it's incredible how fucked up the system is.

Gay, straight, single parent...whatever. Anyone who is willing to give up themselves and love a kid enough to adopt them to get them the hell out of the system is fine with me.

[ChumpDumper]

No...real life is kids that are stuck in the system. I never knew just how bad foster care is until I started working directly with troubled kids. Foster parents that don't give a shit about the kids and only want a check, foster parents that abuse the kids, kids in the foster home that abuse other kids while foster parents look the other way...it's incredible how fucked up the system is.As long as the foster kids learn about professional wrestling, everything will be alright.

[Avante]

No...real life is kids that are stuck in the system. I never knew just how bad foster care is until I started working directly with troubled kids. Foster parents that don't give a shit about the kids and only want a check, foster parents that abuse the kids, kids in the foster home that abuse other kids while foster parents look the other way...it's incredible how fucked up the system is.

Gay, straight, single parent...whatever. Anyone who is willing to give up themselves and love a kid enough to adopt them to get them the hell out of the system is fine with me.

Who is talking about that, not I.

I'm talking about placing a child in a situation that would be best for them, that would be with both a mom and a dad. Obviously if everything else is equal.

[ChumpDumper]

Who is talking about that, not I.

I'm talking about placing a child in a situation that would be best for them, that would be with both a mom and a dad. Obviously if everything else is equal.So what?

Are you going to sterilize lesbians because you don't think they will play club football?

[Avante]

Let me see the hands of those of you who were raised by a mom or a dad who would have wanted another mom or a dad instead of the normal traditional family.

[benefactor]

A good place for a child is a loving, safe place outside of the system. The rest of the technicalities don't matter.

[benefactor]

So is it ok or is it not ok for gays to adopt children out of foster care?

[Avante]

A good place for a child is a loving, safe place outside of the system. The rest of the technicalities don't matter.
One of a ton totally saying different.

http://superstore.wnd.com/books/Inspirational/Why-a-Son-Needs-a-Dad-100-Reasons

[benefactor]

Answer the question.

[Avante]

So is it ok or is it not ok for gays to adopt children out of foster care?

If the child could be placed in a normal family first you do that. Only as a last resort would you place a child in an abnormal setting.

[benefactor]

If the child could be placed in a normal family first you do that. Only as a last resort would you place a child in an abnormal setting.
So you are saying that if there was a child that they couldn't find placement for(happens all the time) it would be ok for a gay couple of adopt that child, correct?

[CuckingFunt]

If the child could be placed in a normal family first you do that. Only as a last resort would you place a child in an abnormal setting.

A foster home is an abnormal setting.

[benefactor]

A foster home is an abnormal setting.
Very...you have no idea.

[Avante]

So you are saying that if there was a child that they couldn't find placement for(happens all the time) it would be ok for a gay couple of adopt that child, correct?

If that is the case and you have no other options available, sure.

[Avante]

A foster home is an abnormal setting.

What do you think this topic is about?

[Avante]

My son just dropped by with......

"Could you help me and Roy and Tony move a pool table later today?"

I wonder why he didn't ask Judy?

I was around 18, my dad was having some problems with a neighbor (forgot what) he was going to confront him...

dad..ok, you're coming with me, if any of those others jump in (never figured out who all lived there) you know what to do.

Well we never went over there but that is something you won't be seeing from a mom and her son. There was also the time he told me about the war and where he got that bayonet. A boy needs a man.

[CuckingFunt]

What do you think this topic is about?

Your homophobia and bigotry.

[Avante]

Your homophobia and bigotry.

You mean me thinking a boy needs his dad and a girl needs her mother? As you sit there knowing that what I'm saying is very true.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Daughter-Needs-Miniature-Edition/dp/1402242778

[CuckingFunt]

You mean me thinking a boy needs his dad and a girl needs her mother? As you sit there knowing that what I'm saying is very true.

I think all children need to be raised by a person or people who love them and who have the means to take care of them. First and foremost.

I also think that all children need strong role models of both genders in their lives. I do not think that those role models necessarily need to be parents. And I do not think that little boys need to learn how to be men or that little girls need to learn how to be women.

[Avante]

I think all children need to be raised by a person or people who love them and who have the means to take care of them. First and foremost.

I also think that all children need strong role models of both genders in their lives. I do not think that those role models necessarily need to be parents. And I do not think that little boys need to learn how to be men or that little girls need to learn how to be women.

So a boy really doesn't need a dad, when every study ever taken says he does. Same with a girl and her mom.


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At present, far too little is known about this new household form into which activist courts are pushing America (http://www.spurstalk.com/2012/06/05/next-stop-for-proposition-8-u-s-supreme-court/print/)—and much of what has been presented to date gives an inaccurate picture of the reality that children of same-sex parenting have experienced.

NFSS project director Dr. Mark Regnerus concludes in a piece running on Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/06/gay_parents_are_they_really_no_different_.single.h tml) today that “the stable, two-parent biological married model [is] the far more common and accomplished workhorse of the American household, and still—according to the data, at least—the safest place for a kid.”

Why would any sane person not want a child in a traditional family setting? You can't be naive enought to think a woman can replace a man in a boys life.

[Drachen]

My son just dropped by with......

"Could you help me and Roy and Tony move a pool table later today?"

I wonder why he didn't ask Judy?

I was around 18, my dad was having some problems with a neighbor (forgot what) he was going to confront him...

dad..ok, you're coming with me, if any of those others jump in (never figured out who all lived there) you know what to do.

Well we never went over there but that is something you won't be seeing from a mom and her son. There was also the time he told me about the war and where he got that bayonet. A boy needs a man.

Is funny how exactly none of these situations could be easily handled in a different way.

[Avante]

Is funny how exactly none of these situations could be easily handled in a different way.

Tell me your relationship with your dad is no different than what you have with mom.

[Big Empty]

im for gay marriage, the whole 9 yards. im on the fence on this subject. I look back at my childhood and if i had gay parents i would have probably committed suicude from all the bullying. kids are brutal. i dont think its fair to put a kid in the fire over two adults right to be together, even though i know there are horrible parents out there.

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you feel the need to justify your existence in every thread, Avante?

I have never seen anyone less secure about himself than you.

[Drachen]

Tell me your relationship with your dad is no different than what you have with mom.

It is absolutely different. However, the only time my dad's penis came in to the picture while raising me was when he was demonstrating how to clean my own when I was 3 or 4.

[Avante]

im for gay marriage, the whole 9 yards. im on the fence on this subject. I look back at my childhood and if i had gay parents i would have probably committed suicude from all the bullying. kids are brutal. i dont think its fair to put a kid in the fire over two adults right to be together, even though i know there are horrible parents out there.

That is a very real situation and I mentioned that. A child involved in school functions with everyone knowing the abnormality of the kids situation. Kids are not going to be cool with it and we all know it. Why put any child in that adverse situation..if...other options are available.

[Avante]

It is absolutely different. However, the only time my dad's penis came in to the picture while raising me was when he was demonstrating how to clean my own when I was 3 or 4.

Then you people wonder why I act like I do. Impossible to have an intelligent conversation here.

[ChumpDumper]

That is a very real situation and I mentioned that. A child involved in school functions with everyone knowing the abnormality of the kids situation. Kids are not going to be cool with it and we all know it. Why put any child in that adverse situation..if...other options are available.That's because bigots like you raise your kids to be bigots like you, dummy.

[Drachen]

Then you people wonder why I act like I do. Impossible to have an intelligent conversation here.
You are the one saying that the preeminent qualification to be a dad is a penis. How often does yours come up when fathering mason?

[CuckingFunt]

Why do you feel the need to justify your existence in every thread, Avante?

I have never seen anyone less secure about himself than you.

It really is quite astounding.

[leemajors]

That's because bigots like you raise your kids to be bigots like you, dummy.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Then you people wonder why I act like I do.Nobody wonders why you act like you do. It's the way anyone would expect a stupid, fat bigot to act.
Impossible to have an intelligent conversation here.You can't have one because you aren't intelligent, dummy.

[CuckingFunt]

You are the one saying that the preeminent qualification to be a dad is a penis. How often does yours come up when fathering mason?

Ba-dum ching!

[leemajors]

You are the one saying that the preeminent qualification to be a dad is a penis. How often does yours come up when fathering mason?

Every time they wrassle!

[Avante]

You are the one saying that the preeminent qualification to be a dad is a penis. How often does yours come up when fathering mason?

This is a topic for adult conversation, there are plenty of tv/movie/sex threads out there for the kids, ok?

[CuckingFunt]

This is a topic for adult conversation, there are plenty of tv/movie/sex threads out there for the kids, ok?

Are you afraid of the word "penis"?

[ChumpDumper]

Every time they wrassle!http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lthg6vjPS21ql141xo1_400.gif

[Avante]

Are you afraid of the word "penis"?

What does..penis.. have to do with the topic?

[ChumpDumper]

God, it must be microscopic.

[Avante]

Is anyone here over 17?

Never seen so many who know so little in one place before...amazing!

[benefactor]

You are the one saying that the preeminent qualification to be a dad is a penis. How often does yours come up when fathering mason?


Every time they wrassle!
:lol

[Drachen]

This is a topic for adult conversation, there are plenty of tv/movie/sex threads out there for the kids, ok?

That want a sexual question, or was the answer sexual? Either way, you've dodged twice. I'm guessing the answer is either more often than you'd like to admit or less often than you'd like to admit.

[CuckingFunt]

What does that to do with the topic?

Because it seems as if you think Drachen's comments have become childish just because he said "penis," despite the fact his comments remained every bit as adult and on topic as anything you or anyone else has posted in the thread thus far.

[Avante]

That want a sexual question, or was the answer sexual? Either way, you've dodged twice. I'm guessing the answer is either more often than you'd like to admit or less often than you'd like to admit.

Why not talk about the topic..ok?

[Drachen]

What does..penis.. have to do with the topic?

You are the one saying that the preeminent qualification to be a dad is a penis. How often does yours come up when fathering mason?

[ChumpDumper]

Why not talk about the topic..ok?We are. You just got really uncomfortable with your penis for some reason.

[I. Hustle]

My son just dropped by with......

"Could you help me and Roy and Tony move a pool table later today?"

I wonder why he didn't ask Judy?

I was around 18, my dad was having some problems with a neighbor (forgot what) he was going to confront him...

dad..ok, you're coming with me, if any of those others jump in (never figured out who all lived there) you know what to do.

Well we never went over there but that is something you won't be seeing from a mom and her son. There was also the time he told me about the war and where he got that bayonet. A boy needs a man.

You know you're retarded right? I mean, everything you just said is stupid.

[Avante]

Because it seems as if you think Drachen's comments have become childish just because he said "penis," despite the fact his comments remained every bit as adult and on topic as anything you or anyone else has posted in the thread thus far.

Not at all surprised you'd think that way.

[CuckingFunt]

Not at all surprised you'd think that way.

In the way that follows basic logic and reading comprehension? I'm not too surprised by that, either.

[Avante]

You know you're retarded right? I mean, everything you just said is stupid.

Not at all and that was just a taste of reality. Something you seem to know nothing about.

[TeyshaBlue]

It really boils down to this:

Look Avante. You have a viewpoint and I can respect that. All I ask is that you respect others' as well.


Too much out there showing how bad an idea it is to deprive a child of a man and a woman in his life.



nar·cis·sism (närs-szm) also nar·cism (-szm)
n.
1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.

[ChumpDumper]

Not at all and that was just a taste of reality. Something you seem to know nothing about.We all know the reality is there are millions of bigots out there just like you. It's up to us to protect our children from your horrible influence.

[Avante]

In the way that follows basic logic and reading comprehension? I'm not too surprised by that, either.

You can't stay on topic can you? More into pestering the poster than talking about the topic, a bad habit of yours.

[Avante]

It really boils down to this





nar·cis·sism (närs-szm) also nar·cism (-szm)
n.
1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.

This isn't about me.

[TeyshaBlue]

Except there is no overwhelming amount. I can just as easily bury you to the contrary.

[TeyshaBlue]

Knowing that you are completely unable to examine your position......it's a total waste of time.

[CuckingFunt]

You can't stay on topic can you? More into pestering the poster than talking about the topic, a bad habit of yours.

You can't stay on topic, can you? You're more into complaining about the posters who are out to get you than talking about the topic. It's an annoying habit.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol edit

[TeyshaBlue]

You left out this part:


Quote Originally Posted by moi
Look Avante. You have a viewpoint and I can respect that. All I ask is that you respect others' as well.
Quote Originally Posted by narcissist
Too much out there showing how bad an idea it is to deprive a child of a man and a woman in his life.

[Avante]

Except there is no overwhelming amount. I can just as easily bury you to the contrary.

You do know about drug/alcohol abuse in the gay family...right? You do know about suicide and violent...right? Do you really wanna put a child in that world?

[I. Hustle]

Not at all and that was just a taste of reality. Something you seem to know nothing about.

Oh ok, IIIIII don't know about reality? Even though you are the one thinking that every household has both parents and that every father likes to wrassle naked with his son.

[CuckingFunt]

This isn't about me.

If it isn't about you, then why does so much of the "evidence" you supply involve Mason and Judy?

[I. Hustle]

You do know about drug/alcohol abuse in the gay family...right? You do know about suicide and violent...right? Do you really wanna put a child in that world?

He's got a point there, TB. I mean we all know how violent and drunk the gays get.

[TeyshaBlue]

You do know about drug/alcohol abuse in the gay family...right? You do know about suicide and violent...right? Do you really wanna put a child in that world?

Right, because there is no drug/alcohol abuse in "normal" families, right? You do know about suicide and violent [sic]...right? No, I'd rather put a child in a home with loving parents. It's not rocket science.

[Avante]

You can't stay on topic, can you? You're more into complaining about the posters who are out to get you than talking about the topic. It's an annoying habit.

I've ignored the pests, you didn't notice?

So despite everything said out there, a boy doesn't really need a father...right?

[Avante]

If it isn't about you, then why does so much of the "evidence" you supply involve Mason and Judy?

How many copy/paste jobs have I brought here?

[Avante]

Right, because there is no drug/alcohol abuse in "normal" families, right? You do know about suicide and violent [sic]...right? No, I'd rather put a child in a home with loving parents. It's not rocket science.

Apparently you don't know the stats.

And you really haven't figured out we are talking about..ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL.

Dude, wow~~~~~~

[TeyshaBlue]

I've ignored the pests, you didn't notice?

So despite everything said out there, a boy doesn't really need a father...right?

Are you really distilling this down to a straw man fallacy?

[TeyshaBlue]

Apparently you don't know the stats.

I absolutely do. Most incidents are the result of years of adolescent bullying by cowards.

[Avante]

Are you really distilling this down to a straw man fallacy?

You really are going to ignore what every study ever taken has proven?

[ChumpDumper]

Not at all and that was just a taste of reality. Something you seem to know nothing about.We all know the reality is there are millions of bigots out there just like you. It's up to us to protect our children from your horrible influence.

[ChumpDumper]

You really are going to ignore what every study ever taken has proven?Link every study ever taken.

Go!

[Avante]

I absolutely do. Most incidents are the result of years of adolescent bullying by cowards.

No you don't, you have no clue and it's obvious.

[ChumpDumper]

I've ignored the pests, you didn't notice?

So despite everything said out there, a boy doesn't really need a father...right?I'm sure someone out there loves and values you, Avante.

It just isn't us.

Stop looking for our approval. It's pathetic.

[TeyshaBlue]

Actually, having taken sociology in college, I absolutely know what I'm talking about. What's obvious is you clinging to your confirmation bias.

And say what you've got to say the first time. Your incessant editing makes this even more pointless than your cowardly POV.

[CuckingFunt]

Link every study ever taken.

Go!

www.everystudyevertaken.com (https://www.google.com/).

Duh.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol at every study ever taken.

[TeyshaBlue]

Because I definitely linked one that said otherwise. Not that you could ever admit or see it.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol @ the new boutons_deux.

[ChumpDumper]

You do know about drug/alcohol abuse in the gay family...right? You do know about suicide and violent...right? Do you really wanna put a child in that world?Do you actually know any "gay" families?

[Avante]

www.everystudyevertaken.com (https://www.google.com/).

Duh.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/father-son-relationships-dad-raising-boy_n_3186191.html

I find it comical how all of you know damn well that a son needs a father and a daughter a mom but just can't....you're right.,...wow~~~~~~~~~~

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/father-son-relationships-dad-raising-boy_n_3186191.html

lol simpleton. You've already linked that. I've already destroyed it.

[TeyshaBlue]

boutons_tres

[CuckingFunt]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/father-son-relationships-dad-raising-boy_n_3186191.html

Ah. So when you said "every study ever taken," you actually meant "that one study I read a few minutes ago and didn't really understand."

[TeyshaBlue]

Sociology is not your strong suit. Stick to lists. Google will not make you an expert on this.

[TeyshaBlue]

All you have to do at this point to evolve just a little bit, assuming you are interested in evolving, is to admit that other's could conceivably have a valid view-point.

[TeyshaBlue]

baby steps and all that.

[Avante]

Ah. So when you said "every study ever taken," you actually meant "that one study I read a few minutes ago and didn't really understand."

I;ve had this discussion before, it also takes time to copy/paste a ton of sites. But I really shouldn't have to, simple common sense should prevail here. Who doen't know know a boy needs a man in his life? You honestly don't?

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/father-son-relationships-dad-raising-boy_n_3186191.html

I find it comical how all of you know damn well that a son needs a father and a daughter a mom but just can't....you're right.,...wow~~~~~~~~~~

Except I've already proven that as demonstrably false. I find it comical how you damn well ignore experiential evidence.

[Avante]

All you have to do at this point to evolve just a little bit, assuming you are interested in evolving, is to admit that other's could conceivably have a valid view-point.

This isn't about evolving it's about common sense.

[TeyshaBlue]

I;ve had this discussion before, it also takes time to copy/paste a ton of sites. But I really shouldn't have to, simple common sense should prevail here. Who doen't know know a boy needs a man in his life? You honestly don't?

What about the daughters? How did I raise my daughter to be successful without a mother? It should be impossible, right? Can't be done! I can't speak to any of her questions and fears, except of course, when I did so.

[TeyshaBlue]

This isn't about evolving it's about common sense.

Common sense evolves. It used to be common sense that you didn't swim after eating. You didn't sail beyond the horizon. Men could not travel above 60 mph.

[Avante]

Except I've already proven that as demonstrably false. I find it comical how you damn well ignore experiential evidence.

I'm not ignoring anything, I just have a ton of stuff saying just the opposite. Now add...common sense.

[TeyshaBlue]

Common sense dictates that you examine your viewpoints from time to time and test them for validity.

[Drachen]

boutons_tres

I'm more apt to go with boutons_deux_deux

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not ignoring anything, I just have a ton of stuff saying just the opposite. Now add...common sense.

And I have a ton of stuff to the contrary. Now examine your common sense and evolve with the rest of us.

[Avante]

What about the daughters? How did I raise my daughter to be successful without a mother? It should be impossible, right? Can't be done! I can't speak to any of her questions and fears, except of course, when I did so.

Trust me her life would have been far better if she'd had her mother also, don't be naive and disagree..

[Drachen]

I'm more apt to go with boutons_deux_deux

See, now that's childish

[TeyshaBlue]

Trust me her life would have been far better if she'd had her mother also, don't be naive and disagree..

You have zero knowledge of my daughter. It's laughable and the definition of naivete to suggest such a thing. Don't be an ass and assume you know anything other than what I've said, about her.

[TeyshaBlue]

Her mother was unfit, numbskull. Did you miss the court order part?

smh

[TeyshaBlue]

See, now that's childish

Troof. should be boutons_deaux-deaux.

*hint* You've got to say it out loud.

[Avante]

And I have a ton of stuff to the contrary. Now examine your common sense and evolve with the rest of us.

You have any idea how many places in the world won't even allow gay marriage much less adoption.

I'll be back later tonight with more...son needs a father...than you'll ever read....trust me.

Now I have to go help move a pool table with my son and some buddies, probably end up drinking a ferw beers and shooting the shit, would love to see Judy in this spot...hahaha!

Stay ignorant, it's you.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol Avante thinks he knows how to raise my daughter.

Holy fuck.

[mrsmaalox]

It seems Avante must have been raised by a normal male-female baboon couple.

[TeyshaBlue]

You have any idea how many places in the world won't even allow gay marriage much less adoption.

I'll be back later tonight with more...son needs a father...than you'll ever read....trust me.

Now I have to go help move a pool table with my son and some buddies, probably end up drinking a ferw beers and shooting the shit, would love to see Judy in this spot...hahaha!

Stay ignorant, it's you.

Climb a wall of dicks bigot.

[Avante]

lol Avante thinks he knows how to raise my daughter.

Holy fuck.

I was talking about ..a mother who loved her...obviously.

It's like I'm talking to a little kid. I have to draw big pictures....wow~~~~~~~

[TeyshaBlue]

She did just fine with only me. Fuck. Like talking to a narcissist.

Oh wait.

[mrsmaalox]

You have any idea how many places in the world won't even allow gay marriage much less adoption.

I'll be back later tonight with more...son needs a father...than you'll ever read....trust me.

Now I have to go help move a pool table with my son and some buddies, probably end up drinking a ferw beers and shooting the shit, would love to see Judy in this spot...hahaha!

Stay ignorant, it's you.

How manly.

[TeyshaBlue]

Again, you have zero idea of what you are talking about. You don't know her. You don't know her brother. You don't know shit.

But you sure as hell think you do. So very weird. It's like talking to a teenager.

[mrsmaalox]

She did just fine with only me. Fuck. Like talking to a narcissist.

Oh wait.

"Illusory superiority"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

[TeyshaBlue]

If I didn't love my daughter, I'd have her log in and bitch slap you into oblivion.

[TeyshaBlue]

She's kind to dumb animals, so she would likely go easy on you and just shake her head.

[TeyshaBlue]

"Illusory superiority"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wobegon#The_Lake_Wobegon_effect

:lol:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

As you sit there and stare, with bovine incomprehension, at the words google is putting on your screen, remember this:

You don't know what you don't know.

[Drachen]

Troof. should be boutons_deaux-deaux.

*hint* You've got to say it out loud.

I think we were both going for the same effect here

[TeyshaBlue]

I think we were both going for the same effect here

:lol

[clambake]

why is everyone "invoking" avante?

[ohmwrecker]

why is everyone "invoking" avante?

Did I miss something?

[clambake]

Did I miss something?

wild cobra asked me to post this for him.

[ohmwrecker]

wild cobra asked me to post this for him.

Oh, ok. That makes sense.

[Blake]

I have to disagree with you Avante.

Just look at chumpie and Blake -they turned out ok....wait!

Nevermind.



:lmao

It would surprise exactly no one if you came back in here to defend the attacks on Avante's penis size

[SupremeGuy]

Didn't read the thread but there's a shit load of homeless children in the World so I'm all for gay couples adopting children.

[Avante]

It's like being on another planet. Here there is no God, sons don't need fathers, being celibate is a good thing, daughters don't need their mothers, being gay is a good thing.

I don't live in that world, I live in the real one.

I think that is the attraction here, it's an alternative universe.

[TE]

It's like being on another planet. Here there is no God, sons don't need fathers, being celibate is a good thing, daughters don't need their mothers, being gay is a good thing.

I don't live in that world, I live in the real one.

I think that is the attraction here, it's an alternative universe.

I still don't know how people get a rise out of you intentionally sounding obtuse. You have a way though...

[TeyshaBlue]

No, on this planet all these conditions exist, including those you deem to be extant only in the "real" one. Sadly, you can only grok a few of those conditions. The rest will always remain a mystery to you. By choice.



It's called, "willfull ignorance".

[TeyshaBlue]

Willful ignorance is the child of intolerance.

[ohmwrecker]

That doesn't sound very realistic to me. It sounds sheltered and ignorant.

[TeyshaBlue]

Intolerance is the natural concomitant of strong faith; tolerance grows only when faith loses certainty... certainty is murderous. Will Durant

[Avante]

No, on this planet all these conditions exist, including those you deem to be extant only in the "real" one. Sadly, you can only grok a few of those conditions. The rest will always remain a mystery to you. By choice.



It's called, "willfull ignorance".

You really don't pay attention do you? I have raised a family, been all over the place, know tons and tons of people. Have a truck load of interests and am $$$$$$$$$$$$ secure. I'm not some kid trying to figure it out. I have seen what I talk about first hand, I'm also an avid reader.


You talk to the police (I have) about the gang activity, what do they tell you? Talk to anyone in the child care business, what do they tell you? You really do need to educate yourself on this topic, you are totally wrong if you think children are better off without their mom and dad.


paste...

A central message in your book is that fathers and sons are on parallel journeys throughout life and that fathers grow, change, and develop as much as their sons. How so and what role does a son play in his father’s emotional life?

Fathers and sons share a basic biological resemblance and their unique bond naturally emerges from the ease of identifying with the other’s maleness. In part, because of this intense mutual identification, a father and his son have an especially multifaceted impact upon one another throughout their lives.
In their complex interaction, the father influences the way his son develops, and simultaneously, his son affects the way that his father handles his own parallel transitions. Thus, for example, to become guardians of infants, fathers assume a new set of responsibilities and are challenged to redefine their sense of masculinity. As a liaison for their sons entry to the larger world, men learn to appreciate “otherness”, that is, to recognize that other people have an existence apart from theirs, which is the root of empathy. When boys need their fathers to become models and to approve of their behavior, men are called upon to develop their sense of paternal authority and personal responsibility. As boys contend with the "oedipal stage," their fathers confront, contain, and more appropriately express their own difficult emotions, particularly aggression, envy, jealousy and competitiveness. For their elementary school aged sons who need guidance, fathers are asked to develop their ability to teach and guide. Fathers of teenage boys learn to ride the roller coaster – to maintain their emotional equilibrium – to modulate their vulnerability -- in the face of their sons’ adulation and subsequent devaluation. As boys turn to young men, fathers begin to learn the lessons of "letting go" and surrendering their authority – a significant loss -- to their sons’ burgeoning autonomy. As the father of adult sons, fathers learn to confront their own dependency needs, and to find ways to leave a legacy that will survive their own death as mentors to their grandchildren and future generations. Finally, fathers learn to face and accept their own death, frequently through the help of their older sons.

[TeyshaBlue]

What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly - that is the first law of nature. Voltaire

[TeyshaBlue]

You really don't pay attention do you? I have raised a family. been all ove the place, know tons and toons of people. Have a truck load of interests and am $$$$$$$$$$$$ secure. I;m not some kid trying to figure it out. I have seen what I talk about first hand, I'm also an avid reader.


Wow. Just like me.

Except you're an intolerant hack.

[TeyshaBlue]

Again, just admit there's the possibility that other views on this could exist. It's not difficult.

[TeyshaBlue]

Common sense would dictate that.

[TeyshaBlue]

You talk to the police (I have) about the gang activity, what do they tell you? Talk to anyone in the child care business, what do they tell you? You really do need to educate yourself on this topic, you are totally wrong if you think children are better off without their mom and dad.


My first cousin is a cop in Lubbock.
I taught in the Texas Public Schools for a decade.
I'm likely better educated in the child care area than you are.

I never said better, so stop building your straw fort.

I simply said the situation could be as good.

[TeyshaBlue]

Different. But good.

[Avante]

Wow. Just like me.

Except you're an intolerant hack.

Do you honestly believe a son doesn't need a father, you gotta be kidding me.

[Avante]

My first cousin is a cop in Lubbock.
I taught in the Texas Public Schools for a decade.
I'm likely better educated in the child care area than you are.

I never said better, so stop building your straw fort.

I simply said the situation could be as good.

My uncle is a county sheriff, my wife has been in the day care business for over 30 years. Trust me I know what I'm talking about.

[ohmwrecker]

You really don't pay attention do you? I have raised a family, been all over the place, know tons and tons of people. Have a truck load of interests and am $$$$$$$$$$$$ secure. I'm not some kid trying to figure it out. I have seen what I talk about first hand, I'm also an avid reader. You talk to the police (I have) about the gang activity, what do they tell you? Talk to anyone in the child care business, what do they tell you? You really do need to educate yourself on this topic, you are totally wrong if you think children are better off without their mom and dad.

You are just proving TB's point. How does your singular life experience make you think there is only one path for everyone. That's not realistic. Not everyone has the same life experiences and opportunities.

[TeyshaBlue]

My uncle is a county sheriff, my wife has been in the day care business for over 30 years. Trust me I know what I'm talking about.

Perhaps. I never said you didn't. That's the difference here. I acknowledge there can be different viewpoints with validity. This ability to hold simultaneous conflicting viewpoints is what sets us apart from animals.

Trust me. It's also possible that I know what I'm talking about.

[ohmwrecker]

My uncle is a county sheriff, my wife has been in the day care business for over 30 years. Trust me I know what I'm talking about.

No, you don't. You never do.

[TeyshaBlue]

No matter how we wish it were, the world is not a binary solution set.

[Avante]

You are just proving TB's point. How does your singular life experience make you think there is only one path for everyone. That's not realistic. Not everyone has the same life experiences and opportunities.

I don't that's why I've brought so many copy/paste sites to the table.

I also come from a large family that spreads out over states. I also know a ton of people from my various jobs over the years. I 'd be hard pressd to find anyone telling me....a son doesn't need a father ....gay parents a great idea.....trust me.

[Avante]

No, you don't. You never do.

You are now showing me just how ignorant you really are. Dude, we have child care in the home. I've talked with my uncle many times. He's mentioned fatherless homes as the reason for most gang activity.

Wake up to real life...ok?

[TeyshaBlue]

I.....trust me.

um, no.

[TeyshaBlue]

But if you want to have a link war, well that's certainly doable.

Futile, but doable.

[Avante]

um, no.

Well then read all that I have on this topic then, it's real obvious you're clueless.

[ohmwrecker]

I also come from a large family that spreads out over states. I also know a ton of people from my various jobs over the years. I 'd be hard pressd to find anyone telling me....a son doesn't need a father ....gay parents a great idea.....trust me.

I can give you a scenario when a son doesn't need a father . . . when that father is an abusive, alcoholic piece of shit. How is someone like that in a child's best interest? What child needs a father like that? Sometimes a biological parent can be the worse person in the world to raise a child.

[Avante]

But if you want to have a link war, well that's certainly doable.

Futile, but doable.

I rather have a common sense discussion. You know as well as I do a boy needs a man in his life, so why the bullshit?

[TeyshaBlue]

I can give you a scenario when a son doesn't need a father . . . when that father is an abusive, alcoholic piece of shit. How is someone like that in a child's best interest? What child needs a father like that? Sometimes a biological parent can be the worse person in the world to raise a child.

In fairness to Avante, I don't believe that's the scenario he's working with. Nobody agrees its good to have an abusive father. His argument is predicated upon there being solid parents.

[TeyshaBlue]

I rather have a common sense discussion. You know as well as I do a boy needs a man in his life, so why the bullshit?

Benefits? Sure. Needs? Not so much.

I guess we have to define the outcome before we can really quantify need.

[TeyshaBlue]

I mean, I've already demonsrtated that those activities you welded to fatherhood early on in the discussion, could be handled by a strong mother.

[TeyshaBlue]

I mean, I've already demonsrtated that those activities you welded to fatherhood early on in the discussion, could be handled by a strong mother.

And I've actually accomplished the opposite by raising my daughter into successful, well adjusted adult.

[TeyshaBlue]

Which, when it comes right down to it, that's what we're supposed to do as parents.

[ohmwrecker]

In fairness to Avante, I don't believe that's the scenario he's working with. Nobody agrees its good to have an abusive father. His argument is predicated upon there being solid parents.

But, that predication has nothing to do with the OP.

[Avante]

I can give you a scenario when a son doesn't need a father . . . when that father is an abusive, alcoholic piece of shit. How is someone like that in a child's best interest? What child needs a father like that? Sometimes a biological parent can be the worse person in the world to raise a child.

Do you really think that is what I'm talking about, come on man.

[TeyshaBlue]

But, that predication has nothing to do with the OP.

The discussion has "evolved". lol

[ohmwrecker]

Do you really think that is what I'm talking about, come on man.

So, what is preferable? A shitty biologiical father or a loving gay father?

[Avante]

I mean, I've already demonsrtated that those activities you welded to fatherhood early on in the discussion, could be handled by a strong mother.

Totally wrong.

There are so many things we do a woman simply isn't going io be doing.

Don't make light of tossing a ball around, working on a car, wrestling, video games, poker, simply goofing around. A woman can't talk about a fly pattern, that old WCW, auto transmission vs a stick, an inside straight.

Hell, just today I was telling Mason about John Lee Hooker (tape in the truck) and them urban blues.

Get real, ok?

[TeyshaBlue]

Totally wrong.

There are so many things weddo a woman simply isn't going io be doing.

Don't make light of tossing a ball around, working on a car, wrestling, video games, poker, simply goofing around. A woman can't talk about a fly pattern, that old WCW, auto transmission vs a stick, an inside straight.

Get real, ok?

And I've already demonstrated that a woman can do all those things. C'mon man. You're telling me a woman cant work on a car...talk wrestling, video games, poker (Fuck, watch some Poker TV man!). Sure not all women can. But guess what? Not all men can either.

[TeyshaBlue]

Get real, ok?

[Avante]

And I've already demonstrated that a woman can do all those things. C'mon man. You're telling me a woman cant work on a car...talk wrestling, video games, poker (Fuck, watch some Poker TV man!). Sure not all women can. But guess what? Not all men can either.

You are really reaching guy, why I don't know. Only a fool would try to play what you're playing, trying to compare a woman to a man, wow guy! You cannot be that ignorant.

My dad taught me how to fight, play poker, catch the ball, boxing, change a flat, who Hank, Lefty, Ferlin were.

You are so lost it's comical.

[TeyshaBlue]

And what of the kid raised by two gay men? Dude's gonna be 2x as manly? lol

[TeyshaBlue]

You are really reaching guy, why I don't know. Only a fool would try to play wjat you're playing, trying to compae a woman to a ma, wow guy! You cannot be that ignorant.

My dad taught me how to fight, play poker, catch the ball, boxing, change a flat, who Hank, Lefty, Ferlin were.

You are so lost it's comical.


Hey, that's great. Find comfort in your ignorance. It's the hallmark of little minds.

[TeyshaBlue]

And seriously, work on typing complete words. It's hard enough to grok your meaning without having to buy a vowel.

[Avante]

And what of the kid raised by two gay men? Dude's gonna be 2x as manly? lol

There is more to life than being just manly. A boy also needs his mother ya know...HI MOM!....dude, you are being so ignorant it's ridiculous.

Let me slow it down....

The best chance a child has in life is to be raised by a well adjusted, intelligent, lovong set of biological parents. That cannot be argued or debated.

[TeyshaBlue]

Hey, that's great. Find comfort in your ignorance. It's the hallmark of little minds.

consistency and hobgoblins and all that.

[TeyshaBlue]

There is more to life than being just manly. A boy also needs his mother ya know...HI MOM!....dude, you are being so ignorant it's ridiculous.

Let me slow it down....

The best chance a child has in life is to be raised by a well adjusted, intelligent, lovong set of biological parents. That cannot be argued or debated.

I won't disagree. It's simply not the only way a child can be raised successfully as I have already proven.

[Avante]

Hey, that's great. Find comfort in your ignorance. It's the hallmark of little minds.

Little minds are the ones who ignore reality. Dude, just look around you, talk to anyone involved with this, try and sell...a boy doesn't need a father...watch the reaction you will get.

[TeyshaBlue]

No matter how we wish it were, the world is not a binary solution set.

This.

[TeyshaBlue]

Little minds are the ones who ignore reality. Dude, just look around you, talk to anyone involved with this, try and sell...a boy doesn't need a father...watch the reaction you will get.

lol strawman.

[TeyshaBlue]

Dude, just look around you, talk to anyone involved with this, try and sell...a boy doesn't need a father...watch the reaction you will get.

Judging from the feedback I'm getting in this thread, I've apparently succeeded.

[Avante]

I won't disagree. It's simply not the only way a child can be raised successfully as I have already proven.

Then you...finally...agree if an option is availabe go with a traditional family setting over an abnormal one.

I knew you'd finally figure this out.

[TeyshaBlue]

No matter how we wish it were, the world is not a binary solution set.


This.

Is.

[TeyshaBlue]

No matter how we wish it were, the world is not a binary solution set.


This.



Is.


Reality.

[TeyshaBlue]

Then you...finally...agree if an option is availabe go with a traditional family setting over an abnormal one.

I knew you'd finally figure this out.

Except, I didn't say that. And lol at abnormal.