*****Official Government Shutdown Gamethread*****

[DMX7]

If it really is just kicking the can until Jan 31st, then keep the thing shut down. This is ridiculous. We need a long-term funding agreement.

[Spurs Homer]

Of course schumer caves…piece of shit…

then again we already knew he would…

[Millennial_Messiah]

today's just a procedural vote

from what I've heard, it'll take about 8 days to reopen, assuming no setbacks

They can get it done this week and polymarket agrees:

https://polymarket.com/event/will-the-government-shutdown-end-by-763

November 15th is this coming Saturday, so expect it to officially re-open by no later than Friday.


If it really is just kicking the can until Jan 31st, then keep the thing shut down. This is ridiculous. We need a long-term funding agreement.

Hell fucking no!!!! :flipoff

Getting the government open now means that the Senate (and then Trump) will be able to approve all of the crypto ETFs and critical CLARITY Act. Without that, my portfolio which is down ~50% already because of the shutdown to begin with, has no chance to break even and profit, especially since we're already almost at the end of the four-year halving cycle and near the typically parabolic stage.

[Winehole23]

Lol polymarket

Rand Paul is pissed about the cannabis provision and has promised to draw things out for five days That's all this week.

After that, reconciliation in the House -- the two CRs are materially different, that's gonna take a minute too.

[Winehole23]

Dems lost credibility with Rs and their own rank and file

Senate leadership is cooked imho, Schumer either did this or isn't in control of his own caucus. In either case he has to go.

[BadMotorscooter]

democrats bend knee to the boss Trump...again.....lmao. Snowflake democrats crying as usual....lmao

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:yni5eazdl6liolhuwmcix67s/bafkreiegujqj35acxzbildvnwzfofaz4n5r2g5hxvcjggbwdb c6fnz3gpi@jpeg

[Winehole23]

the CR purports to stop RIFs until Jan 30th, which isn't nothing



https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:drfb2pdjlnsqkfgsoellcahm/bafkreidlz5o5mhva2jxlbtpg6v2xqadxcrkdaiujzxvxjvdju i7whzl73i@jpeghttps://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/continuing_appropriations_act_2026_bill_text.pdf

[Winehole23]

onus will (soon) be on the House of Representatives to get the funding done

[Winehole23]

Lol polymarket


Rand Paul is pissed about the cannabis provision and has promised to draw things out for five days That's all this week.

After that, reconciliation in the House -- the two CRs are materially different, that's gonna take a minute too.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:o3a6jfdca5xp4ofyaduibtqb/bafkreici3oiv5ekinyvoxo36fos2ozxrna7ky2aq4upbfijqm 6eah6r6oe@jpeg

[Winehole23]

probably not a nonfactor


https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/faa-limits-private-aircraft-flights-at-major-airports-5d9c2f63

[Winehole23]

American politics makes a lot more sense when you realize that the GOP is afraid of pissing off the GOP base, and the Dems are afraid of pissing off the GOP base, but neither party is afraid of pissing off the Dem base.

[Winehole23]

Lots going on but from outside it seems that at least part of the calculus was that flight disruption for middle class and up travelers matters more than life disruption for untold numbers who’ll be deprived of health care.

[Winehole23]

what's the R win here?

going on record wanting to jack up everyone's health care costs before the midterms?

[velik_m]

Lol democrats still pretending things will one day go back to "normal". Don't worry guys, it can all be fixed at the next elections. See you in a year, don't forget to donate to us in the mean time.

[Winehole23]

Lol democrats still pretending things will one day go back to "normal". Don't worry guys, it can all be fixed at the next elections. See you in a year, don't forget to donate to us in the mean time.Dems misread the situation -- fascist consolidation and lawbreaking -- but it's hard to see how we don't end up in a very similar place at the end of January.

All the Republicans do is inflict pain on Americans and wreck public capacity, this is not necessarily to their advantage while trying to consolidate power.

[Spurs Homer]

It all actually makes sense if you do a level reset and realize;

People/voters love to be lied to - 24/7
People/voters love to get abused
People voters will always vote against their best interests
People/voters - are like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders

Red- voters are ok getting fucked hard as long as blacks/brown/gays get fucked too

So, now the american voters are all aware that the GOP are sadists who want to kill them
and
they know Democrats are pussies - whose weakness will also kill them (voters) ...

But expect the GOP (Guardians of Pedophiles) to still get the house and senate because this will insure maximum damage to masochistic american dumbshit voters.

Thats it and thats all.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump still your Daddy

[Winehole23]

How trite

[SnakeBoy]

1987934240168620320

[koriwhat]

Lol democrats still pretending things will one day go back to "normal". Don't worry guys, it can all be fixed at the next elections. See you in a year, don't forget to donate to us in the mean time.

You need to brush up on the past, actions of the Communists, and their penchant for campaigning. Those champagne socialists won't be dining on their own dime but yours instead like they have in the past.

Normal, would be rounding up all those who claim to be socialist/communist and sending them where they belong, to the pits of hell to burn forever!

[koriwhat]

It all actually makes sense if you do a level reset and realize;

People/voters love to be lied to - 24/7
People/voters love to get abused
People voters will always vote against their best interests
People/voters - are like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders

Red- voters are ok getting fucked hard as long as blacks/brown/gays get fucked too

So, now the american voters are all aware that the GOP are sadists who want to kill them
and
they know Democrats are pussies - whose weakness will also kill them (voters) ...

But expect the GOP (Guardians of Pedophiles) to still get the house and senate because this will insure maximum damage to masochistic american dumbshit voters.

Thats it and thats all.


Let me ask you something, you call republicans, and those you despise, nazis, maybe not in the reply above but in most others, but why exactly?

In the 40's the USSR made a pact to align with the Nazis and that became the Communist Party's modus operandi. There's no doubt you would've been a party member in such times considering you are exactly who they prey upon; the mentally ill, degens, low IQ, and those just wanting to belong to something bigger than themselves due to their nihilist nature.

Is your method of smear simply a Communist Party tactic like it's been in the past and presently?

[velik_m]

Dems misread the situation -- fascist consolidation and lawbreaking -- but it's hard to see how we don't end up in a very similar place at the end of January.

All the Republicans do is inflict pain on Americans and wreck public capacity, this is not necessarily to their advantage while trying to consolidate power.

The issue for Democrats will not be that people will not believe that Republicans are the problem, it's that they will also believe Democrats are not the solution. The Dems are completely lost, they have no leadership, they have no plan. They are just there to legitimize the new rule. They are trying to play a game that ended long ago.

[Winehole23]

The issue for Democrats will not be that people will not believe that Republicans are the problem, it's that they will also believe Democrats are not the solution. The Dems are completely lost, they have no leadership, they have no plan. They are just there to legitimize the new rule. They are trying to play a game that ended long ago.I don't think it's over yet

The judiciary, the states and the people still have roles...it's not unthinkable the democratic opposition will start to oppose Trump and lead the people against him

[koriwhat]

The issue for Democrats will not be that people will not believe that Republicans are the problem, it's that they will also believe Democrats are not the solution. The Dems are completely lost, they have no leadership, they have no plan. They are just there to legitimize the new rule. They are trying to play a game that ended long ago.

Dems aren't lost because there aren't any to speak of anyhow. That party has been taken over and was infiltrated way before our time. Continuing to legitimize that pol party is akin to legitimizing the Communist fist iconography while proclaiming it not to be Communistic.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol you don't know what communism is.

[SnakeBoy]

Open civil war ensues


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB7KF_f8KOA

[ChumpDumper]

Thank goodness you Republicans have united in your protection and elevation and veneration of pedophiles.

[koriwhat]

Those of you so hell bent on seeing Trump behind bars, ask yourself, why you don't want leftist politicians to be jailed with him when their past is riddled in campaign donations from Trump himself. If he's a criminal then aren't they criminals too by association and "bribes"?

It's comical how rabid you all get when it comes to Trump but never ever criticize those whose pockets have been lined with his charitable donations.

[ChumpDumper]

That's not how law works, moron.

And I'm fine with prosecuting and imprisoning Democrats who break the law. Bob Menendez is in Allenwood as we speak and deservedly so.

Why do you want to protect your felon?

[koriwhat]

Brooke, your attempts are futile. I wouldn't mind a conversation with you if your past interactions weren't so vain. Good luck to the fool(s) who argue, "debate", in good faith with you. Do yourself a favor and stop obsessing over my every post, hoping I'd respond in kind to the context of those posts. I will never read a post from you again and haven't in a very long time.

As far as I am concerned, you're sub-human and not worthy of a response whatsoever.

[ChumpDumper]

Brooke, your attempts are futile. I wouldn't mind a conversation with you if your past interactions weren't so vain. Good luck to the fool(s) who argue, "debate", in good faith with you. Do yourself a favor and stop obsessing over my every post, hoping I'd respond in kind to the context of those posts. I will never read a post from you again and haven't in a very long time.

As far as I am concerned, you're sub-human and not worthy of a response whatsoever.:lol you're a crying little bitch who tried to doxx and stalk me.

Do yourself a favor and do more drugs while listening to Tim Pool and get your ass stomped by real men.

[koriwhat]

https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/the-office-dwight-smh-5gpiopp771a6izg0.gif

[ChumpDumper]

https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/the-office-dwight-smh-5gpiopp771a6izg0.gif

[Spurs Homer]

funny as shit...

for years i attempted to have actual debate with kunt tat boy...
here is how it went every single time...

me: the sky is blue - if you disagree explain why?
korikunt: you are a loon - i hope you die!

me: this issue/trump crime - happened and he should be prosecuted - if you disagree tell me why he is innocent?
korikunt: "you should be in an asylum - i will celebrate the day you fuckin die"

- ok - ignore time

[Winehole23]

don't hold your breath


TRUMP: US TO LAUNCH NEW AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM WITHIN 2–3 WEEKS

[ChumpDumper]

Oh God, it's going to be AI, isn't it?

[Winehole23]

oh lordt I hope not

[Blake]

Military maybe?

Air Force?

Space Force?

[Winehole23]

:lol you don't know what communism is.opposing tyranny is good

[Winehole23]

and also, in the exact vein of the 1787 revolutionary impulse

[Yonivore]

I guess it was the Schumer Shutdown after all, eh?

[Winehole23]

I guess it was the Schumer Shutdown after all, eh?it's all on the House and Mike Johnson now, tbh

House Republicans must reconcile with Senate Republicans to reopen the government

it never was up to the Democrats

[Winehole23]

lol blaming it all on the minority

[Blake]

I guess it was the Schumer Shutdown after all, eh?

Neh. Keep listening to your alt right podcasts for further instructions on who else to blame.

[DMX7]

1987934240168620320

It was never a Republican Government Shutdown and everyone knows it. Now it's even more undeniable.

[SnakeBoy]

it never was up to the Democrats

Why did they cave then?

[Winehole23]

Why did they cave then?academic

Mike Johnson and the House reopen the government or they don't

[Winehole23]

the contest is not between the Rs and the Ds at this point, it's more about competing Republican perspectives

[Blake]

It was never a Republican Government Shutdown and everyone knows it. Now it's even more undeniable.

Goddam you're a gullible tool. Keep eating up what Fox News spoonfeeds you.

[DMX7]

Goddam you're a gullible tool. Keep eating up what Fox News spoonfeeds you.

I don't watch Fox News and I certainly don't watch MSNBC.

[Millennial_Messiah]

lol blaming it all on the minority

lol not knowing or acknowledging that the filibuster exists.

[SnakeBoy]

(Bloomberg) -- Democrats entered the shutdown seeking to renew tax credits to stave off insurance premium price hikes and to show voters they have the stomach for hardball negotiations in President Donald Trump’s Washington.

As the record-long shutdown neared its end more than a month later, they failed to achieve either goal.

...even bloomberg knows acknowledges the Dems massive fail

[koriwhat]

funny as shit...

for years i attempted to have actual debate with kunt tat boy...
here is how it went every single time...

me: the sky is blue - if you disagree explain why?
korikunt: you are a loon - i hope you die!

me: this issue/trump crime - happened and he should be prosecuted - if you disagree tell me why he is innocent?
korikunt: "you should be in an asylum - i will celebrate the day you fuckin die"

- ok - ignore time

Your first mistake was ever thinking I wanted a real dialogue with you in the first place. Again, I don't take the words of the mentally ill to heart nor do I learn anything meaningful from them so I'd rather not entertain them.

Have a great night, loon!

[koriwhat]

opposing tyranny is good

Same ol' trope, not by you though WH but by Brooke, "you don't know _____".

I don't know Communism personally seeing how I haven't lived through a Communist dictatorship. However, I learn from reading. I shared a lot today which would prove Brooke's theory wrong. I might not know Communism itself but I do know what Communism entails from autobiographies, biographies, Marx's & Engels writings, documentaries, and a plethora of other resources.

I'd rather not know what I've read; it's brutally disgusting and barbaric, manipulative, cultish, and Godless. It's not pretty in the least, just like art, architecture, and so much more today. You know why there's a penchant for ugliness in Communism, because beauty would be what the bourgeoisie preferred.

World domination is what drives Communism. What propels Communism though, is the down-trodden, the affluent, and those who are looking to belong to something bigger than themselves with a promise of virtue.

[Blake]

(Bloomberg) -- Democrats entered the shutdown seeking to renew tax credits to stave off insurance premium price hikes and to show voters they have the stomach for hardball negotiations in President Donald Trump’s Washington.

As the record-long shutdown neared its end more than a month later, they failed to achieve either goal.

...even bloomberg knows acknowledges the Dems massive fail

Why do you guys cheer for higher insurance hikes? Why do you guys never answer?

[Blake]

I don't watch Fox News and I certainly don't watch MSNBC.

You'll never admit where you get your talking points from, huh.

[BadMotorscooter]

You'll never admit where you get your talking points from, huh.


Where do you get yours from, Flake....lets see your sources....lmao

[Winehole23]

lol not knowing or acknowledging that the filibuster exists.Senate rules can be changed by the majority

[Winehole23]

One air traffic controller earns cash by hanging Christmas lights for his neighbors. Another stocks grocery store shelves for six hours before heading in for his shift. A third drives for DoorDash after clocking out.

Hundreds of air traffic controllers across the United States have taken on second jobs driving for Uber and Lyft, delivering food, or working in restaurants as the government shutdown stretches past five weeks, according to the National Air Traffic Controllers Association (https://www.natca.org/), a union that represents nearly 20,000 aviation safety professionals. Struggling to pay their bills and put food on the table, controllers, who must work without pay during the shutdown, say they remain dedicated to keeping air travel safe but are running ragged trying to support themselves and their families.

“I’m broken down. I’m sore. I’m mentally drained,” said one controller at an airport in the Southeast, who has spent nearly all his free time this week — almost 40 hours — hanging Christmas lights for pay. “There’s some times where I felt like just going into the corner and crying because it’s been pretty tough to push through the physical pain, the tiredness and waking up the next day having to do it all over again.”

The controller, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity out of concern that making frank comments about the Federal Aviation Administration could get him fired.

Nick Daniels, NATCA’s president, said in an interview that controllers working other jobs in their spare time “absolutely” made the air traffic system less safe. But he added that he understood, as mortgage and car payments come due, that many controllers have few other options.

“They need to do whatever is best for them and their families,” he said. “I’m not here to judge people on what is going to help them.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/07/travel/shutdown-air-traffic-controllers.html?unlocked_article_code=1.0E8.bWTr.-IkYaD5aOgxU&smid=url-share

[Winehole23]

Since Friday, airlines have canceled about 8,000 flights under orders to drop 4% of flights at 40 of the nation’s busiest airports. That will rise to 6% on Tuesday and 10% by week’s end, the FAA says.https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2025-11-10/us-flight-cancellations-shutdown-19718223.html

[ChumpDumper]

Same ol' trope, not by you though WH but by Brooke, "you don't know _____".

I don't know Communism personally seeing how I haven't lived through a Communist dictatorship. However, I learn from reading. I shared a lot today which would prove Brooke's theory wrong. I might not know Communism itself but I do know what Communism entails from autobiographies, biographies, Marx's & Engels writings, documentaries, and a plethora of other resources.

I'd rather not know what I've read; it's brutally disgusting and barbaric, manipulative, cultish, and Godless. It's not pretty in the least, just like art, architecture, and so much more today. You know why there's a penchant for ugliness in Communism, because beauty would be what the bourgeoisie preferred.

World domination is what drives Communism. What propels Communism though, is the down-trodden, the affluent, and those who are looking to belong to something bigger than themselves with a promise of virtue.

But you keep saying everything you don't like is communism, proving you don't actually know what it is.:tu

[Blake]

Where do you get yours from, Flake....lets see your sources....lmao

Every time I post info, I link the source. You'll never admit where you get your marching orders from.

[Yonivore]

it's all on the House and Mike Johnson now, tbh

House Republicans must reconcile with Senate Republicans to reopen the government

it never was up to the Democrats
Actually, it was. See Senator Dick Turban Durbin's admission in the video below. "We [8 Democrats] agreed to reopen the government...," after Senator Majority Leader Thune pinky-swore to have a vote on the ACA Healthcare Company Enrichment Scheme in December. Look, if Senator Schumer had allowed his caucus to vote yes on the Clean CR, 15 times ago, you wouldn't be looking at an empty promise on the Unaffordable Care Act, between now and the end of the December and, full funding on the 3 budgets that suffered the most during the Schumer Shutdown - meaning he can't hold them hostage again. I'm enjoying the absolute meltdown of the Commie Left of the Party. Bernie, AOC, and their minions are absolutely apoplectic over the 8 Democrats that finally had had enough of the politics and voted with reason.

What did the Republicans give up? Agreeing to hire back federal employees RIF'd during the Schumer Shutdown, with back pay.

I'll take it.

Sad Turban Durbin admits Democrats fucked up (https://rumble.com/v71ibb8-durbin-admits-democrats-were-ready-to-starve-children-as-part-of-their-shut.html)

[Yonivore]

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2025-11-10/us-flight-cancellations-shutdown-19718223.html
All on Senator Chuck Shutdown Schumer.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, it was. See Senator Dick Turban Durbin's admission in the video below. "We [8 Democrats] agreed to reopen the government...," after Senator Majority Leader Thune pinky-swore to have a vote on the ACA Healthcare Company Enrichment Scheme in December. Look, if Senator Schumer had allowed his caucus to vote yes on the Clean CR, 15 times ago, you wouldn't be looking at an empty promise on the Unaffordable Care Act, between now and the end of the December and, full funding on the 3 budgets that suffered the most during the Schumer Shutdown - meaning he can't hold them hostage again. I'm enjoying the absolute meltdown of the Commie Left of the Party. Bernie, AOC, and their minions are absolutely apoplectic over the 8 Democrats that finally had had enough of the politics and voted with reason.

What did the Republicans give up? Agreeing to hire back federal employees RIF'd during the Schumer Shutdown, with back pay.

I'll take it.

Sad Turban Durbin admits Democrats fucked up (https://rumble.com/v71ibb8-durbin-admits-democrats-were-ready-to-starve-children-as-part-of-their-shut.html)
Why do you want the health care premiums of US citizens to skyrocket?

Please explain.

[Yonivore]

Senate rules can be changed by the majority
I'm glad that didn't happen.

Here's my prediction for the Unaffordable Care Act. President Trump is going to fight for the subsidies to be paid directly to the insured, instead of the insurance companies - something he proposed over the weekend (which, it has been suggested) got the 8 Democrats off their asses to vote with Republicans. The subsidies -- which were only ever meant to be in place during the Pandemic -- had become a cash cow for Insurance Companies. The only way you're going to drive down Healthcare Insurance prices is to put the power of selection back in the hands of the people who use it.

President Barack Obama said the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) would bring premium prices down 25% and that if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor. Neither of which was true. Most people had to leave their doctors and buy insurance from the ACA Marketplace or face annual fines. In the interim, rates have skyrocketed over 220% and most people had to find new doctors.

This whole scam was fucked up from the beginning. It's why NO Republicans voted for it and why Obamacare had to bribe more than a couple of Democrats to go along. It's probably why Bernie is the top recipient of donations from the HealthCare Industry.

Talk about a self-own. If Schumer had just done what he had done 13 previous times - back in October - he wouldn't be crying in his milk this morning.

[Yonivore]

You know, being mad at 8 members of your own party for voting yes on the Continuing Resolution, is a tacit admission it was always within the Democrats power to end the Schumer Shutdown.

Democrats rage as funding bill heads to House (https://thehill.com/newsletters/morning-report/5599865-house-democrats-oppose-spending/)

[Blake]

Why do you want the health care premiums of US citizens to skyrocket?

Please explain.

They'll never answer.

[Th'Pusher]

All on Senator Chuck Shutdown Schumer.

Trump’s favorability dropped during the shutdown and no one is going to be keeping score on how the government reopened during the midterms. What they will care about is how the economy is performing and how expensive healthcare is. Republicans are completely incapable of fixing either of those problems which is why trumps looking to hand out $2k tariff rebate checks.

[Th'Pusher]

I'm glad that didn't happen.

Here's my prediction for the Unaffordable Care Act. President Trump is going to fight for the subsidies to be paid directly to the insured, instead of the insurance companies - something he proposed over the weekend.

lol. What’s the mechanism for this? Sounds like he’s trying to dust off the tired old health savings account scheme.

[Winehole23]

Actually, it was. See Senator Dick Turban Durbin's admission in the video below. "We [8 Democrats] agreed to reopen the government...," after Senator Majority Leader Thune pinky-swore to have a vote on the ACA Healthcare Company Enrichment Scheme in December. Look, if Senator Schumer had allowed his caucus to vote yes on the Clean CR, 15 times ago, you wouldn't be looking at an empty promise on the Unaffordable Care Act, between now and the end of the December and, full funding on the 3 budgets that suffered the most during the Schumer Shutdown - meaning he can't hold them hostage again. I'm enjoying the absolute meltdown of the Commie Left of the Party. Bernie, AOC, and their minions are absolutely apoplectic over the 8 Democrats that finally had had enough of the politics and voted with reason.

What did the Republicans give up? Agreeing to hire back federal employees RIF'd during the Schumer Shutdown, with back pay.

I'll take it.

Sad Turban Durbin admits Democrats fucked up (https://rumble.com/v71ibb8-durbin-admits-democrats-were-ready-to-starve-children-as-part-of-their-shut.html)the Dems did not cover themselves with glory, nor did they tell a convincing tale afterwards

it's just sad

[Winehole23]

Trump’s favorability dropped during the shutdown and no one is going to be keeping score on how the government reopened during the midterms. What they will care about is how the economy is performing and how expensive healthcare is. Republicans are completely incapable of fixing either of those problems which is why trumps looking to hand out $2k tariff rebate checks.illegally spending what he illegally taxed? TERRIBLE IDEA

and blowing another 9 figure hole in the deficit? WITH RESULTING INFLATION

[Winehole23]

(actually, I doubt Trump will follow through with another megadole à la 2020, his second administration seems focused on pure punishment; I rate Trump Check 2.0 probable puffery)

[Yonivore]

the Dems did not cover themselves with glory, nor did they tell a convincing tale afterwards

it's just sad
No, they did not. But, it's who they are and have always been.

[Winehole23]

No, they did not. But, it's who they are and have always been.not true

what happened in the mid 20th century?

the stink of Republican loserdom has never worn out, nor the resentment for 40 years in the woods, even though that was a long time ago

:lol

[Yonivore]

not true
Sure it is.

Democrats have been the party of exploitation and identity politics since the very first one, Andrew Jackson.

[Yonivore]

not truel
The War on Poverty - which led to programs such as SNAP, used by Schumer to attempt to extort Republicans - at the expense of those who had become dependent on a government handout - was begun with racist motives. Doesn't look like it's going to make it 200 years.

https://www.snopes.com/uploads/2016/07/lbj-racist-quotes-2.jpg

[Winehole23]

Sure it is.

Democrats have been the party of exploitation and identity politics since the very first one, Andrew Jackson.not sure i know what you mean

is andrew jackson the source of identity politics?

do tell

[Winehole23]

btw, why do you guys want to be the 1860s Democrats?

[Winehole23]

you guys are rolling back the Reconstruction

[Yonivore]

not sure i know what you mean

is andrew jackson the source of identity politics?

do tell

Andrew Jackson did not invent factional politics, but he changed its basis. He built the Democratic Party not as a coalition of policy interests but as a community organized around identity—an identity constructed in contrast to an enemy, mobilized emotionally, and codified through racial boundaries and mass cultural messaging.

In this sense, Jackson was the architect of identity politics: He defined who the nation was, He defined who the nation was not, And he made political loyalty a reflection of belonging to one group or the other.

Modern identity politics follows the same structure. Jackson simply did it first—loudly, effectively, and intentionally.

It's why Barack Obama can call you racist for not voting for a black person in one political race while coming out in full-throated opposition to a black person in another.

[Winehole23]

The War on Poverty - which led to programs such as SNAP, used by Schumer to attempt to extort Republicans - at the expense of those who had become dependent on a government handout - was begun with racist motives. Doesn't look like it's going to make it 200 years.

https://www.snopes.com/uploads/2016/07/lbj-racist-quotes-2.jpgyes, LBJ was known for earthy expressions and frank racism, like many of his peers

He also knew what he was doing when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act

He split the Democrats on that one.

The southern ones became Republicans over time

[Yonivore]

you guys are rolling back the Reconstruction
From Andrew Jackson forward, Democrats have repeatedly defined political legitimacy through group identity rather than shared citizenship. Jackson built a coalition of “the real Americans” against supposed elites; Andrew Johnson protected Southern racial hierarchy in Reconstruction; FDR and later LBJ expanded government dependency as a surrogate identity for entire voting blocs; Carter moralized national decline as the public’s own fault; Clinton perfected demographic triangulation; and Obama recast political disagreement itself as racial animus. Joe Biden simply carries the tradition forward—dividing Americans into categories of aggrieved and oppressor, then declaring himself champion of whichever group secures the necessary votes. The labels change; the strategy hasn’t.

[Winehole23]

Andrew Jackson did not invent factional politics, but he changed its basis. He built the Democratic Party not as a coalition of policy interests but as a community organized around identity—an identity constructed in contrast to an enemy, mobilized emotionally, and codified through racial boundaries and mass cultural messaging.

In this sense, Jackson was the architect of identity politics: He defined who the nation was, He defined who the nation was not, And he made political loyalty a reflection of belonging to one group or the other.

Modern identity politics follows the same structure. Jackson simply did it first—loudly, effectively, and intentionally.

It's why Barack Obama can call you racist for not voting for a black person in one political race while coming out in full-throated opposition to a black person in another.Bullshit

Andy Jackson as the progenitor of PC is a lame hypothesis, barely credible -- unless you're talking about native Americans. your link up with nationalism failed at inception, it's gobbledegook.

your babbling about Obama hardly makes any sense either, do better!

:lol

[Winehole23]

From Andrew Jackson forward, Democrats have repeatedly defined political legitimacy through group identity rather than shared citizenship. Jackson built a coalition of “the real Americans” against supposed elites; Andrew Johnson protected Southern racial hierarchy in Reconstruction; FDR and later LBJ expanded government dependency as a surrogate identity for entire voting blocs; Carter moralized national decline as the public’s own fault; Clinton perfected demographic triangulation; and Obama recast political disagreement itself as racial animus. Joe Biden simply carries the tradition forward—dividing Americans into categories of aggrieved and oppressor, then declaring himself champion of whichever group secures the necessary votes. The labels change; the strategy hasn’t.this is undiluted piffle

it makes no sense

[Yonivore]

this is undiluted piffle

it makes no sense
To you.

[Winehole23]

To you.right wing Mad Libs tbh

very buzzy and trite

[Yonivore]

Bullshit

Andy Jackson as the progenitor of PC is a lame hypothesis, barely credible -- unless you're talking about native Americans. your link up with nationalism failed at inception, it's gobbledegook.

your babbling about Obama hardly makes any sense either, do better!

:lol
You’re reacting to a claim I didn’t make. I didn’t say Jackson invented progressive identity politics or modern PC. I said he pioneered building a political coalition based on a constructed group identity—“the real Americans”—defined against an internal enemy. That’s not speculation; it’s how the Democratic Party organized itself from the 1820s forward. Jackson didn’t argue policy to win support—he declared that those who backed him were the nation and those who opposed him were illegitimate. That’s identity politics in its most primal form.

And yes—Obama absolutely used the same frame. If identity is the basis of political legitimacy, then criticizing or rejecting a candidate from a “protected” identity group becomes automatically suspect, while opposing a similar candidate becomes permissible if they fall outside the approved ideological tribe. That’s why Obama could imply racism when voters rejected his candidate in one race, yet attack Winsome Sears—also black—without hesitation. Identity wasn’t the principle. Loyalty was the principle, and identity was the tool.

That’s the continuity:
Jackson → Johnson → FDR → LBJ → Obama → Biden
Different eras, same tactic: define who is “the public” and who isn’t—and govern by rewarding one and condemning the other.

If you want to dispute the argument, dispute that lineage. But pretending the Democratic Party hasn’t leveraged identity as a political organizing strategy for 200 years is historically unserious.

[Winehole23]

You’re reacting to a claim I didn’t make. I didn’t say Jackson invented progressive identity politics or modern PC. I said he pioneered building a political coalition based on a constructed group identity—“the real Americans”—defined against an internal enemy. That’s not speculation; it’s how the Democratic Party organized itself from the 1820s forward. Jackson didn’t argue policy to win support—he declared that those who backed him were the nation and those who opposed him were illegitimate. That’s identity politics in its most primal form.

And yes—Obama absolutely used the same frame. If identity is the basis of political legitimacy, then criticizing or rejecting a candidate from a “protected” identity group becomes automatically suspect, while opposing a similar candidate becomes permissible if they fall outside the approved ideological tribe. That’s why Obama could imply racism when voters rejected his candidate in one race, yet attack Winsome Sears—also black—without hesitation. Identity wasn’t the principle. Loyalty was the principle, and identity was the tool.

That’s the continuity:
Jackson → Johnson → FDR → LBJ → Obama → Biden
Different eras, same tactic: define who is “the public” and who isn’t—and govern by rewarding one and condemning the other.

If you want to dispute the argument, dispute that lineage. But pretending the Democratic Party hasn’t leveraged identity as a political organizing strategy for 200 years is historically unserious.isn't MAGA mostly aligned against an internal enemy?

[Winehole23]

the Dems never sicced the US marines on y'all

[Yonivore]

isn't MAGA mostly aligned against an internal enemy?

Nope. It's aligned against the internal ideology expressed in my quote to which you responded.

[Yonivore]

Every political movement defines an opponent. The difference is what the group identity is based on.
Jackson (and today’s Democrats) tie political legitimacy to demographic identity—race, class, gender, tribe, grievance category.
MAGA ties it to citizenship and shared national norms—border, sovereignty, economy, energy, inflation, schools, crime.

One is “you belong because of what you are.”
The other is “you belong because of what you believe.”

Identity politics sorts people by biology and grievance.
MAGA sorts people by agenda and interests.

That’s the distinction. The internal enemy in identity politics is the wrong kind of person.
The internal enemy in MAGA is the wrong set of policies.

One is tribal.
The other is political.

[SnakeBoy]

From Andrew Jackson forward, Democrats have repeatedly defined political legitimacy through group identity rather than shared citizenship. Jackson built a coalition of “the real Americans” against supposed elites; Andrew Johnson protected Southern racial hierarchy in Reconstruction; FDR and later LBJ expanded government dependency as a surrogate identity for entire voting blocs; Carter moralized national decline as the public’s own fault; Clinton perfected demographic triangulation; and Obama recast political disagreement itself as racial animus. Joe Biden simply carries the tradition forward—dividing Americans into categories of aggrieved and oppressor, then declaring himself champion of whichever group secures the necessary votes. The labels change; the strategy hasn’t.

Yoni

[Winehole23]

Every political movement defines an opponent. The difference is what the group identity is based on.
Jackson (and today’s Democrats) tie political legitimacy to demographic identity—race, class, gender, tribe, grievance category.
MAGA ties it to citizenship and shared national norms—border, sovereignty, economy, energy, inflation, schools, crime.

One is “you belong because of what you are.”
The other is “you belong because of what you believe.”

Identity politics sorts people by biology and grievance.
MAGA sorts people by agenda and interests.

That’s the distinction. The internal enemy in identity politics is the wrong kind of person.
The internal enemy in MAGA is the wrong set of policies.

One is tribal.
The other is political.no, you guys are the ones purging internal enemies

before it was cultural, free society

y'all are using raw political power to enforce your tribal norms

[Winehole23]

of bigotry and hatred and xenophobia

[Yonivore]

the Dems never sicced the US marines on y'all
When did that happen?

[Winehole23]

When did that happen?LA man, you're not keeping up

[Yonivore]

no, you guys are the ones purging internal enemies

before it was cultural, free society

y'all are using raw political power to enforce your tribal norms
I simply disagree. There is a schism in the Republican Party, but it didn’t begin as a purge — it began as a reckoning. When Trump descended that escalator in 2016, he exposed a divide between the Republican elites and the base — between those content to manage America’s decline and those determined to confront government abuse, runaway spending, and entrenched corruption. In Texas, we’re doing our part to move the party back to its principles by supporting leaders like Wesley Hunt over career politicians like John Cornyn — people who still believe in accountability, limited government, and serving the voters rather than the donor class.

And since you’re a Democrat, I’d think you’d be all-in for Wesley Hunt — you know, representation and all that. Or, are you a racist?

[Winehole23]

I simply disagree. There is a schism in the Republican Party, but it didn’t begin as a purge — it began as a reckoning. When Trump descended that escalator in 2016, he exposed a divide between the Republican elites and the base — between those content to manage America’s decline and those determined to confront government abuse, runaway spending, and entrenched corruption. In Texas, we’re doing our part to move the party back to its principles by supporting leaders like Wesley Hunt over career politicians like John Cornyn — people who still believe in accountability, limited government, and serving the voters rather than the donor class.

And since you’re a Democrat, I’d think you’d be all-in for Wesley Hunt — you know, representation and all that. Or, are you a racist?I've never heard of Wesley Hunt

Are you the racism police now?

:lol

[Yonivore]

LA man, you're not keeping up
I'm keeping up fine. President Trump hasn't deployed Marines to any U. S. City.

[Winehole23]

(y'all are already pretending to be the gentile antisemitism police, so it tracks)

[Winehole23]

I'm keeping up fine. President Trump hasn't deployed Marines to any U. S. City.wrong


U.S. officials said the Marine troops were deployed to protect federal property (https://apnews.com/article/immigration-raids-los-angeles-2d1d5e2f638da600c4b34fe8bf8cf3aa) and personnel, including federal immigration agents. https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-protests-national-guard-trump-14c9dda32663d7d2c45f2b1c5a1d219c

[Winehole23]

you're not even trying, dude

give up

[ChumpDumper]

Every political movement defines an opponent. The difference is what the group identity is based on.
Jackson (and today’s Democrats) tie political legitimacy to demographic identity—race, class, gender, tribe, grievance category.
MAGA ties it to citizenship and shared national norms—border, sovereignty, economy, energy, inflation, schools, crime.

One is “you belong because of what you are.”
The other is “you belong because of what you believe.”

Identity politics sorts people by biology and grievance.
MAGA sorts people by agenda and interests.

That’s the distinction. The internal enemy in identity politics is the wrong kind of person.
The internal enemy in MAGA is the wrong set of policies.

One is tribal.
The other is political.

You have secret police that disappears US citizens.

You are the enemy within.

You are the wrong kind of person because of your tribal fascist policies.

[SnakeBoy]

Libs crying that ICE was funded the whole time lol

[ChumpDumper]

Libs crying that ICE was funded the whole time lol
Secret Police: your top priority.

[Millennial_Messiah]

(y'all are already pretending to be the gentile antisemitism police, so it tracks)
I don't stand with Israel. Never have, never will.

[Winehole23]

I don't stand with Israel. Never have, never will.if that's your test, you might be an antisemite too

[Millennial_Messiah]

if that's your test, you might be an antisemite too

I don't hate practicing Jews, Orthodox Jews, Hasidic Jews etc who are actually Jewish by faith and culture and not just by legacy, wealth and surname. Most of the former were NOT in favor of building a Jewish super-state nation of Israel in the 1940s. They sought to maintain a decentralized, peaceful guerrilla coalition of Jewish circles worldwide and were focused on their faith and not about globalism or world domination.

I'm not antisemitic per se. If I were in Hitler's shoes in the 1930s/40s, I wouldn't have gassed and killed Jews indiscriminately. I would have imposed an immediate, graduated one-time wealth tax up to 95% (this might even be too soft, considering just how much money and assets the Jewish minority had stockpiled and scammed and hoarded over the generations) simply to confiscate and redistribute over-bloated legacy wealth, payable immediately, or else they would go to prison and have their assets fully seized by the Reich government anyway.

I hate Zionists, those who want a new world order leftist, world domination, population control, fundamentally faux-capitalist but absolute government power dystopian hellhole, typically the very elite rich legacy Jews who are actually more likely atheist/agnostic and money and power is their real religion. Think Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Pritzkers and Soros, Schwabs, AIPAC- and Israel-backed big elitist asset manager companies like Blackrock, Blackstone, Vanguard, StateStreet etc, Israel- backed defense contractor companies like Lockheed, Raytheon etc, and then their AIPAC-funded cronies in US political office like the Schumer's and Schiff's and Spanberger's and Josh Shapiro's who are exclusively Democrats, that foster a one world order society with AI squeezing down the middle class. I can't name one single conservative/Republican legacy-Jewish governor, senator, congressman/woman, or otherwise bureaucrat? Closest thing to it was Zeldin in NY in 2022 and even he was more of a Ben Shapiro esque practicing Jew type.

[Blake]

I don't hate practicing Jews, Orthodox Jews, Hasidic Jews etc who are actually Jewish by faith and culture and not just by legacy, wealth and surname. Most of the former were NOT in favor of building a Jewish super-state nation of Israel in the 1940s. They sought to maintain a decentralized, peaceful guerrilla coalition of Jewish circles worldwide and were focused on their faith and not about globalism or world domination.

I'm not antisemitic per se. If I were in Hitler's shoes in the 1930s/40s, I wouldn't have gassed and killed Jews indiscriminately. I would have imposed an immediate, graduated one-time wealth tax up to 95% (this might even be too soft, considering just how much money and assets the Jewish minority had stockpiled and scammed and hoarded over the generations) simply to confiscate and redistribute over-bloated legacy wealth, payable immediately, or else they would go to prison and have their assets fully seized by the Reich government anyway.

I hate Zionists, those who want a new world order leftist, world domination, population control, fundamentally faux-capitalist but absolute government power dystopian hellhole, typically the very elite rich legacy Jews who are actually more likely atheist/agnostic and money and power is their real religion. Think Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Pritzkers and Soros, Schwabs, AIPAC- and Israel-backed big elitist asset manager companies like Blackrock, Blackstone, Vanguard, StateStreet etc, Israel- backed defense contractor companies like Lockheed, Raytheon etc, and then their AIPAC-funded cronies in US political office like the Schumer's and Schiff's and Spanberger's and Josh Shapiro's who are exclusively Democrats, that foster a one world order society with AI squeezing down the middle class. I can't name one single conservative/Republican legacy-Jewish governor, senator, congressman/woman, or otherwise bureaucrat? Closest thing to it was Zeldin in NY in 2022 and even he was more of a Ben Shapiro esque practicing Jew type.

That's a long way around to explain your levels of racism

[Millennial_Messiah]

That's a long way around to explain your levels of racism

I already demonstrated that it's not about race or color or religion for me, it's about being anti-extreme wealth, anti-greed, and anti-one world order.

[Winehole23]

Dividing Jews into good Jews and bad Jews is antisemitism

When governments do it it usually leads to pogroms

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dividing Jews into good Jews and bad Jews is antisemitism

When governments do it it usually leads to pogroms

Is it antisemitic to hate Bill Gates too? Who has like zero jewish blood.

[Blake]

I already demonstrated that it's not about race or color or religion for me, it's about being anti-extreme wealth, anti-greed, and anti-one world order.

That's really all you had to say.

But you didn't.

And if that was really your stance, you'd be anti- Trump.

[Yonivore]

wrong
To protect federal assets and U. S. Customs officers. They weren't "sicced" on you.

[Yonivore]

I've never heard of Wesley Hunt

Are you the racism police now?

:lol
It would be unusual for anyone who claims to be politically aware - particularly with Texas politics - to not know who is Wesley Hunt. But, I'm not shocked over your ignorance.

[Millennial_Messiah]

That's really all you had to say.

But you didn't.

And if that was really your stance, you'd be anti- Trump.

I don't love Trump, I think he's a megalomaniac, petty, filled with self pride and he's obviously eccentric and narcissistic and miscalculates a lot, and many of his decisions and the way he executes certain actions, regardless of whether the base approves of them or not, are quite poor. Trump is, in a lot of ways, 'GOPritzker'. I actually dislike Vance far more though, he is very much a sleeper globalist cell candidate who has led a thinly veiled Ivy League life of counterculture, and ergo I might be willing to vote Newsom over Vance in a couple of circumstances. Hoping for DeSantis/Youngkin/Rubio.

I just think that the high-wealth leftist old-wealth that has been leveraging Citizens United v FEC (a rare mistake by Alito and Thomas tbh) to spend money on the NWO one world order dystopianistic, anti-tradition, pro-AI, anti-nuclear family, anti-humanist, globalist, feminazist, counterculture and subversionist agenda is a far, far worse evil, and that evil has been fighting against him more often than not (hence the rigged, not necessarily "stolen" but rigged 2020 election a-la 2002 Kings vs Lakers, from Soros bucks to Zuckerbucks to everything in between) and the few rich folk who do want to do right by society like Elon Musk.

I don't like just how pro-Israel Trump 2.0 has been so far and been so open to capitulating into Netanyahu et al's war-hawkish demands in 2025, tbh, but he still has time to make up for it, tick tock. However the Epstein files issue is looming and most likely damning, not just for Trump but for the entire establishment on both sides as well as AIPAC, its full and accurate release is, similarly to the Warren court files, a threat to the entire (evil) current system in place, tbh. AIPAC and Israel and the global elite zionists certainly have a lot on Trump's head re: Epstein, and it's dangerous how much we've capitulated to them for it to come to that. There's a good chance there's no damning stuff about Trump but more that he'd get whacked if he released it.


It would be unusual for anyone who claims to be politically aware - particularly with Texas politics - to not know who is Wesley Hunt. But, I'm not shocked over your ignorance.
I like Wesley Hunt, but still want Paxton to win. It's going to be a May runoff no matter what, so hopefully Cornyn is the odd man out. Anyone but Cornyn in March.

[Winehole23]

To protect federal assets and U. S. Customs officers. They weren't "sicced" on you.you said they weren't deployed

you were wrong

[Winehole23]

It would be unusual for anyone who claims to be politically aware - particularly with Texas politics - to not know who is Wesley Hunt. But, I'm not shocked over your ignorance.I don't claim to be politically aware

1st term congressman from Houston, sounds like a long-shot for senator.

What has he done so far that might tend to propel him to higher office?

[SnakeBoy]

I don't claim to be politically aware

[Winehole23]

so why do y'all like Wesley Hunt for US Senator, besides the fact that he isn't John Cornyn?

[Yonivore]

I don't claim to be politically aware
No shit.

Not being John Cornyn is a good start for both him and Paxton. I just think I'm more ideologically aligned with Hunt than I am with Paxton.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No shit.

Not being John Cornyn is a good start for both him and Paxton. I just think I'm more ideologically aligned with Hunt than I am with Paxton.

so why do y'all like Wesley Hunt for US Senator, besides the fact that he isn't John Cornyn?

And I'm more aligned with Paxton, but c'est la vie. We just have to make the runoff Paxton vs. Hunt.

[Winehole23]

No shit.

Not being John Cornyn is a good start for both him and Paxton. I just think I'm more ideologically aligned with Hunt than I am with Paxton."I like him" is an answer, but it sidesteps the specific information requested, for some reason

[Winehole23]

which is fine, it's ok to give more or less information free answers

[UNT Eagles 2016]

"I like him" is an answer, but it sidesteps the specific information requested, for some reason
I'll answer for him. Yonivore (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=48) Winehole23 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14613)

John Cornyn is .....

a) a gun-grabber, repeatedly voting with Senate Democrats and Susan Collins against the rest of the GOP on anti-second amendment, pro-gun control legislation, and
b) an illegal alien sympathizer, repeatedly voting with Senate Democrats against the rest of the GOP, Collins, and Murkowski on pro-amnesty, pro-right-to-citizenship for illegals legislation, not America First at all.
c) voted with Senate Democrats and only 2-3 other Republicans on increasing Covid-era lockdowns, mask mandates, and vax mandates for certain sectors to as late as 2022.

Cornyn is cut from the Bush-era cloth of neoconservative establishmentarian Texas warhawks like the Bush clan, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Tom DeLay, and others. Very much pro-war, pro-defense contractor conglomerate, and supported the failed impeachment and removal of Ken Paxton, AG, who fought the federal government and won Texas back its tenth amendment right to not have vaccine mandates for federal workers who are residents in Texas, and other good, conservative legislation.

Cornyn is an outspoken critic of Trump. While not having voted for either impeachment conviction in 2019 or 2021, if he were in a state bluer than Texas and/or not worried about being primaried out of his Senate seat, he absolutely would have voted 'yea' on this, especially the 2021 vote, which would have effectively ended the MAGA movement, disqualified Trump from holding future office, and forced someone like DeSantis to be frontrunner for President in 2024.

Cornyn is outspokenly in favor and defense of far-left liberal Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough, a left-wing partisan hack appointed by Obama early in his first term (at around the time the Democrats had 59-60 Senate seats), who essentially serves as the filibuster judge of the Senate and has repeatedly favored Democrats and bent Senate rules for Senate Democrats to pass bills narrowly when the Senate has had small Democratic majorities circumventing the filibuster such as ACA (which, by the way, contained much more than budgetary legislation) while repeatedly repudiating Senate Republican bills and forcing them to be weakened and trim down or be filibustered, from the TCJA to the BBB2 and just about everything in between.

Cornyn, despite hailing as a U.S. Senator for a solidly ruby-red state, has consistently been ranked by Cook Political Report, Politico, NYT and others as one of the ten most centrist Senators in each of the last 14 years. That is far more consistent with a Senator representing a state such as Michigan or Georgia or Wisconsin or Nevada in today's political environment, but certainly not from the far-conservative State of Texas.

Cornyn should run for senator in New Mexico or something. Certainly, getting centrists like him and Susan Collins in states like Maine or Minnesota that are less favorable to the GOP otherwise if they run purely MAGA candidates, would be a net positive and an opportunity conservatives including the egomaniac Trump should look into, because a 'maybe' vote is better than a 'Schumer sycophant' vote. But the centrist Cornyn absolutely has no business being a U.S. Senator representing a Trump+14 state in this political climate. As aforementioned, he would be a Murkowski type of vote in any even slightly bluer state, and he could very much lean in that direction even more if he were to be re-elected again, likely retiring in 2032 with nothing to lose, similar to the late-era John McCain voting record.

[Winehole23]

I'll answer for him. Yonivore (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=48) Winehole23 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14613)

John Cornyn is .....

a) a gun-grabber, repeatedly voting with Senate Democrats and Susan Collins against the rest of the GOP on anti-second amendment, pro-gun control legislation, and
b) an illegal alien sympathizer, repeatedly voting with Senate Democrats against the rest of the GOP, Collins, and Murkowski on pro-amnesty, pro-right-to-citizenship for illegals legislation, not America First at all.
c) voted with Senate Democrats and only 2-3 other Republicans on increasing Covid-era lockdowns, mask mandates, and vax mandates for certain sectors to as late as 2022.

Cornyn is cut from the Bush-era cloth of neoconservative establishmentarian Texas warhawks like the Bush clan, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Tom DeLay, and others. Very much pro-war, pro-defense contractor conglomerate, and supported the failed impeachment and removal of Ken Paxton, AG, who fought the federal government and won Texas back its tenth amendment right to not have vaccine mandates for federal workers who are residents in Texas, and other good, conservative legislation.

Cornyn is an outspoken critic of Trump. While not having voted for either impeachment conviction in 2019 or 2021, if he were in a state bluer than Texas and/or not worried about being primaried out of his Senate seat, he absolutely would have voted 'yea' on this, especially the 2021 vote, which would have effectively ended the MAGA movement, disqualified Trump from holding future office, and forced someone like DeSantis to be frontrunner for President in 2024.

Cornyn is outspokenly in favor and defense of far-left liberal Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough, a left-wing partisan hack appointed by Obama early in his first term (at around the time the Democrats had 59-60 Senate seats), who essentially serves as the filibuster judge of the Senate and has repeatedly favored Democrats and bent Senate rules for Senate Democrats to pass bills narrowly when the Senate has had small Democratic majorities circumventing the filibuster such as ACA (which, by the way, contained much more than budgetary legislation) while repeatedly repudiating Senate Republican bills and forcing them to be weakened and trim down or be filibustered, from the TCJA to the BBB2 and just about everything in between.

Cornyn, despite hailing as a U.S. Senator for a solidly ruby-red state, has consistently been ranked by Cook Political Report, Politico, NYT and others as one of the ten most centrist Senators in each of the last 14 years. That is far more consistent with a Senator representing a state such as Michigan or Georgia or Wisconsin or Nevada in today's political environment, but certainly not from the far-conservative State of Texas.

Cornyn should run for senator in New Mexico or something. Certainly, getting centrists like him and Susan Collins in states like Maine or Minnesota that are less favorable to the GOP otherwise if they run purely MAGA candidates, would be a net positive and an opportunity conservatives including the egomaniac Trump should look into, because a 'maybe' vote is better than a 'Schumer sycophant' vote. But the centrist Cornyn absolutely has no business being a U.S. Senator representing a Trump+14 state in this political climate. As aforementioned, he would be a Murkowski type of vote in any even slightly bluer state, and he could very much lean in that direction even more if he were to be re-elected again, likely retiring in 2032 with nothing to lose, similar to the late-era John McCain voting record.I get that y'all hate Cornyn, I stipulated that and asked for information about Wesley Hunt

Seems you have none either

[Yonivore]

I get that y'all hate Cornyn, I stipulated that and asked for information about Wesley Hunt

Seems you have none either
While I think anyone but Cornyn (or a Democrat - which would be worse) is explanation enough, here you go Winehole. But, I only indulge because you genuinely seem interested.

I intend to vote for Hunt because I believe he represents the ideologies I most align with and has none of the baggage that comes from decades in Washington or years of legal controversy. Hunt’s voting record backs that alignment: he voted for H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act, the strongest border-security package the House has passed in years; he supported H.R. 1, the Lower Energy Costs Act, which protects domestic oil-and-gas production and rolls back overreaching federal regulations; and he consistently votes pro-life and pro-family, reflected in his 0% rating from abortion-rights groups and 0% rating from environmental regulatory groups. These aren’t slogans—his record matches his message. Cornyn has spent over 20 years drifting toward the D.C. establishment, and Paxton’s legal issues would follow him into every debate and every news cycle. Hunt gives us a principled, conservative, forward-looking choice who can unite Republicans without handing Democrats easy talking points. That’s why I’m with Hunt.

Good enough?

[ChumpDumper]

Forward looking fossil fuels.:lol

[Winehole23]

While I think anyone but Cornyn (or a Democrat - which would be worse) is explanation enough, here you go Winehole. But, I only indulge because you genuinely seem interested.

I intend to vote for Hunt because I believe he represents the ideologies I most align with and has none of the baggage that comes from decades in Washington or years of legal controversy. Hunt’s voting record backs that alignment: he voted for H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act, the strongest border-security package the House has passed in years; he supported H.R. 1, the Lower Energy Costs Act, which protects domestic oil-and-gas production and rolls back overreaching federal regulations; and he consistently votes pro-life and pro-family, reflected in his 0% rating from abortion-rights groups and 0% rating from environmental regulatory groups. These aren’t slogans—his record matches his message. Cornyn has spent over 20 years drifting toward the D.C. establishment, and Paxton’s legal issues would follow him into every debate and every news cycle. Hunt gives us a principled, conservative, forward-looking choice who can unite Republicans without handing Democrats easy talking points. That’s why I’m with Hunt.

Good enough?yeah, thanks

was that so hard?

:lol

[Yonivore]

yeah, thanks

was that so hard?

:lol
No, but if you had bothered to read even a little bit about Hunt, you'd know why I would choose him over Paxton or Cornyn. Now, if we can convince the racists, on the Left, to vote for him - simply because he's Black - he'd be a shoe-in.

[Winehole23]

No, but if you had bothered to read even a little bit about Hunt, you'd know why I would choose him over Paxton or Cornyn. Now, if we can convince the racists, on the Left, to vote for him - simply because he's Black - he'd be a shoe-in.good luck!

[Winehole23]

(Yonivore cranky because I didn't read his mind)

[Yonivore]

(Yonivore cranky because I didn't read his mind)
The Left continues to prove it's the ideology of violence. Virginians elected an Attorney General that openly and sincerely wished death on his political opponent - but not before he witnessed the deaths of his children and wife first. And, now, the most reasonable Democrat on the planet - who also happens to be recovering from a severe brain injury - is finding out about his own party:

https://x.com/i/status/1988714700348223642

Yeah, Republicans and the Right called him names, something he brushes off but, the worst was coming from the Left; wishes for death.

Charlie Kirk was unavailable for comment.

[ChumpDumper]

The Left continues to prove it's the ideology of violence. Virginians elected an Attorney General that openly and sincerely wished death on his political opponent - but not before he witnessed the deaths of his children and wife first. And, now, the most reasonable Democrat on the planet - who also happens to be recovering from a severe brain injury - is finding out about his own party:

https://x.com/i/status/1988714700348223642

Yeah, Republicans and the Right called him names, something he brushes off but, the worst was coming from the Left; wishes for death.

Charlie Kirk was unavailable for comment.
Are you one of those guys who think Tim Walz ordered the assassinations of Minnesota Democrats?

[Blake]

Are you one of those guys who think Tim Walz ordered the assassinations of Minnesota Democrats?

Lol

[Winehole23]

SNAP enrollees employed by Massachusetts companies

The US is basically subsidizing employee compensation for them


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[Winehole23]

"In Massachusetts, 74% of working-age recipients of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are employed, half of them full-time."

[Blake]

SNAP enrollees employed by Massachusetts companies

The US is basically subsidizing employee compensation for them

hhttps://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/11/28/metro/snap-food-stamps-employers-massachusetts/

It's probably been that way going on 30 years now. Sad stuff.

[koriwhat]

It's probably been that way going on 30 years now. Sad stuff.

too many are old dirty bastards...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YpIV55MNe0

[ChumpDumper]

How do you know?

[Winehole23]

More like a one-vote margin if you figure in Thomas Massie

CR expires at the end of this month


Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson’s razor-thin majority took three hits on Tuesday. They include the effective date of U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s resignation, the unexpected passing of U.S. Rep. Doug LaMalfa (R-CA), and the hospitalization of U.S. Rep. Jim Baird (R-IN).


“It’s about the math,” reported (https://x.com/ChadPergram/status/2008547060568502421) Fox News Chief Congressional Correspondent Chad Pergram.



Baird’s condition is stable, Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-congressman-hospitalized-after-car-accident-sources-say) reported. But, as another shutdown looms, Johnson — at least temporarily — may have to pass legislation with a 217-213 majority.
https://www.alternet.org/trump-doug-lamalfa/

[Winehole23]

via David Dayen at The American Prospect

shutdown if no deal before January 30



NEWS from inside the Senate Dem meeting tonight:
1-Schumer has the votes to block the DHS funding bill
2-They're going to ask for real investigations into the murders (including an end to impeding the state/local investigations), an end to masks and arrest quotas.

3-Senate Dems will try to advance the other five spending bills (which are relatively bipartisan) without DHS.
4-All of this would require Senate Republicans to agree, and the House to come back and pass before Friday. Both unlikely.

[Winehole23]

Linday Graham wants to shut down the government


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[Winehole23]

5-bill minibus clears Senate, 2-week CR for DHS to be voted on next, to give time to negotiate for a DHS spending bill

[Winehole23]

temporary shutdown

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[Winehole23]

let's see which is more popular

Congress trying to rein in DHS

or DHS shooting people in the back

[Yonivore]

let's see which is more popular

Congress trying to rein in DHS

or DHS shooting people in the back
I believe both Ms. Good and Mr. Pretti were shot in the front.

[Winehole23]

what you believe is usually incorrect or misleading

[Yonivore]

what you believe is usually incorrect or misleading
According to Ms. Good's autopsy, she was shot in her forearm, her right breast, and her head (temple area). All in front. Now, it appears Pretti was shot both in the front and the back but, it was in the context of a scrum while agents attempt to arrest him, not (as is implicated by your less than explanatory statement) as he was turned away from officers. I'm not sure they've determined which shot was fired first but, I'm not sure that matters, if the officers shot from the position they found themselves in when the threat was perceived.

I wasn't trying to mislead. Good definitely wasn't shot from the back and Pretti was shot while in a scuffle with officers.

[Yonivore]

what you believe is usually incorrect or misleading
What you say is usually unsupported by facts.

[Winehole23]

Pretti got shot in the back

[ChumpDumper]

What you say is usually unsupported by facts.

:lol you just said Pretti was shot in the back.

You were trying to mislead.

Ross was clearly standing to the side of the car when he shot through the SIDE window.

You are trying to mislead.

[Yonivore]

Pretti got shot in the back
Pretti got shot in the back too. And, the context of how he ended up being shot is important but, you continue to oversimplify things, Winehole. You do you boo.

Here's a thought experiment for you. If ICE and CBP were just a roving band of murderers looking for every opportunity to gun down innocent Americans, why wasn't Pretti shot the week before and why are there only two casualties?

The Left will never admit that it is reasonable (even if not justified) that the officer who shot Pretti and Good believed their lives were in danger. If what you and your cohorts claim is true about the deployment of ICE and CBP into the Minneapolis were true, there'd be a whole lot more dead people. You don't help your argument by claiming such an extreme position as they're just willy-nilly running around executing Americans.

[ChumpDumper]

There it is.

Our secret police thugs were SCARED! I am also SCARED! My algorithm told me to be SCARED!

It's not reasonable.

It's not justified.

Your secret police murdered US citizens in the street directly due to the needless and dangerous actions of your secret police.

[ChumpDumper]

Secret police pass in front of Good's running car against all good training to make a TikTok as instructed.

Secret police assault a woman standing across the street from some alleged operation, assault Pretti who was trying to help her and FIRE PRETTI'S GUN after taking it because the secret police didn't follow good training.

This is all on Trump and by extension, you.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Dems have repeatedly offered to fund every part of DHS except ICE, Border Patrol and the Secretary's office

Republicans refuse to take it


TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS IT COULD BE FORCED TO SHUT DOWN SMALLER AIRPORTS IF GOVERNMENT FUNDING STANDOFF CONTINUES, TSA OFFICIAL SAYShttps://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/03/17/congress/new-dhs-funding-offer-00831185

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

plausible but uncorroborated


One scenario under review is that fire may have been set by crew members seeking to end the prolonged deployment.

[Winehole23]

If there is one thing I’ve learned is that if a project is struggling, adding a bunch of new trainees always helps, especially if they’re being paid and you’re not, and they’re the reason you’re not being paid

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[Winehole23]

per Punchbowl


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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

on the home front, Trump tore 10,000 American families apart

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-family-deportations-ice-citizen-kids

[SnakeBoy]

2036162090495328497

Shitbag libs gonna be shitbags

[SnakeBoy]

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[ChumpDumper]

:lol snacks still holding on to his Babylon Bee antifa fantasies while his precious ICE agents walk around completely unmasked.

:lol proving doxxing never was a problem.

[Winehole23]

Delta is suspending its special service desk for members of Congress until TSA is fully funded, per @ajc.com.

Delta says members of Congress will now be treated like all other flying customers.www.ajc.com/politics/202...

[CosmicCowboy]

House and Senate should sign a compromise bill to fund everyone but ICE and send it to Trumps desk and dare him to veto it. Make him own that shit storm.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

:lol snacks still holding on to his Babylon Bee antifa fantasies while his precious ICE agents walk around completely unmasked.

:lol proving doxxing never was a problem.the danger is approximately 100% conjectural

[Winehole23]

Republicans cave

ICE/BPS operations are largely prefunded by the Big Beautiful Bill, but Dems still hold the reins on funding it further


After two months of unyielding negotiations, both parties gave up early Friday on reaching a grand accord to reform and fund the Department of Homeland Security.


Instead, Senate Republicans accepted what Democrats have been offering for weeks — cash for all of DHS except for ICE and part of Customs and Border Protection.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/27/senate-dhs-funding-deal-00847949

[Winehole23]

Republicans suck at governing


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[Winehole23]

Trump should be impeached for trying to originate spending, Mike Johnson should be impeached for saying he wants Trump to do it


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Mike Johnson: "We are very grateful to have a strong commander in chief in the White House who has taken real leadership. President Trump has already ordered by EO that TSA agents will be paid and that machinery is in process right now."

[Winehole23]

Bovino finally extruded


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[Blake]

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Shitbag libs gonna be shitbags

Lol following someone named "Gunther"

[Blake]

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Shitbag libs gonna be shitbags

Why are you happy that untrained shit bag ICE agents are working jobs that they have no clue what they're doing?

[Winehole23]

the Mike Johnson government shutdown continues

[Winehole23]

Republican majority unable to pass ICE-CBP budget resolution

Republicans suck at governing

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[Winehole23]

vote has been open for hours

[Winehole23]

can't pass FISA and farm bill resolutions, either

[Winehole23]

it only took 7 hours of holding the vote open and twisting arms to pass the budget resolution

reconciliation can go forward


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[Winehole23]

DHS bill passes by voice vote in the House.

Funds DHS fully except for ICE/BPS -- same as the Senate bill passed a month ago that the House refused to vote on until today.

ICE can still be funded through reconciliation, but the House wasted a month of legislative time on this bill.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/congress-expected-end-record-75-day-partial-government-shutdown-rcna342903