***Official 2014-2015 Houston Texans thread***

[Clipper Nation]

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:lol Garrett Gilbert > Inbred
:lol So when does Nike start selling the "Garrett Gilbert Pro Day Collection"?

[Chinook]

If he wasn't wearing his helmet and pads, it doesn't count.

[benefactor]

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:lol Garrett Gilbert > Inbred
:lol So when does Nike start selling the "Garrett Gilbert Pro Day Collection"?
:cry but scripted passing with no defense makes all the difference :cry

[Michael Jordan.]

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[Michael Jordan.]

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What a fuckin steal.

[Michael Jordan.]

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[benefactor]

:tu

Solid signing.

[spurraider21]

clemens that cheap is a great signing

[benefactor]

Rick Smith makin' a comeback tbh.

[FkLA]

Player A sucks. Players A and B both did good on their Pro Days. Player B must also suck.

Great logic, Dunning-Krugers. :tu

[leemajors]

Player A sucks. Players A and B both did good on their Pro Days. Player B must also suck.

Great logic, Dunning-Krugers. :tu

Might wanna work on the analogies before you post them.

[Michael Jordan.]

The NFL will always be about pocket passers.

[Michael Jordan.]

Player A sucks. Players A and B both did good on their Pro Days. Player B must also suck.

Great logic, Dunning-Krugers. :tu
:lol you did that wrong.

[Clipper Nation]

Player A sucks. Players A and B both did good on their Pro Days. Player B must also suck.

Great logic, Dunning-Krugers. :tu
:lmao lolutsa education

[Michael Jordan.]

That is going in my sig.

[FkLA]

God damn you are stupid. Make a fool of yourself by telling me how I did that wrong.

[FkLA]

leemajors

You can tell me too, genius.

[spurraider21]

:lol I'm sure he messed up his analogy because he was busy engineering and got distracted

[FkLA]

lol at noone willing to say how FkLA 'messed it up'

Think about it long and hard before you post your explanation, Dunning-Krugers.

[Chinook]

:rollin

[FkLA]

:rollin

Player A sucked. Both Player A and Player B can run. Player B will also suck.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Still failing

[Michael Jordan.]

Christ, that's embarrassing. Do you even know who Player A is?

[Michael Jordan.]

Player A sucked. Both Player A and Player B can run. Player B will also suck.

That is quite possibly the worst logic than the other one.

[FkLA]

Do you know ?

[Michael Jordan.]

Do you know ?
I know, but I don't think you do :lol

[FkLA]

I know, but I don't think you do :lol

:lmao you are one stupid mofo

A and B are arbitrary, Dunning-Kruger. The logic is dumb regardless of who you plug in there.

[spurraider21]

Facepalm

[benefactor]

:lol

[Michael Jordan.]

This probably represent's FkLA's engineering

http://learningtoswimagain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/bad_design.jpg

[Chinook]

This probably represent's FkLA's engineering

http://learningtoswimagain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/bad_design.jpg

Dunno if I should trust any bridges next time I'm in SA.

[Michael Jordan.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj6MfvACcAIU0BD.jpg

I want this fucker no where near the Texans.

[benefactor]

It doesn't matter. Five years from now Strong will still be a successful football coach and Manziel will be either begging for a job or back in Tyler telling Uncle Rico stories.

[Michael Jordan.]

It doesn't matter. Five years from now Strong will still be a successful football coach and Manziel will be either begging for a job or back in Tyler letting Uncle Rico stories.
:lol

[FkLA]

I hear nothing but crickets for the explanation. Typical of Dunning-Krugers tbh.

[spurraider21]

funny that the UTSA guy who refers to himself in 3rd person is referring to others as Dunning-Krugers

[FkLA]

*crickets*

[Clipper Nation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj6MfvACcAIU0BD.jpg

I want this fucker no where near the Texans.
:lol Inbred - a known Longhorn fan - blatantly pandering to Aggy.... I bet they're all buying it too, hook line and sinker :lmao

[FkLA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjKbea8WGZk

Seems like the Jags fell in love with Football. Cant blame them tbh.

[Chinook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjKbea8WGZk

Seems like the Jags fell in love with Football. Cant blame them tbh.

I can't, either. They're a horrible franchise. They fly to busts like moths to a flame. It's just their nature.

[Clipper Nation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjKbea8WGZk

Seems like the Jags fell in love with Football. Cant blame them tbh.
Must suck for you that Inbred's hypefest pales in comparison to Garrett Gilbert's pro day :lol

[FkLA]

So I went to TexansTalk just to check out what niggas are saying about my boy Football. Guess who was there hating and getting called out for his dumbass takes? :lol

[The Batman]

:lol Inbred - a known Longhorn fan - blatantly pandering to Aggy.... I bet they're all buying it too, hook line and sinker :lmao
It's sad, it really is. Talking all that shit and never won a thing. The thing is not only will he bust, he'll probably bolt whatever team drafts him after his contract is up for a better situation that can help his brand.

[Raven]

at this point, i don't see any team drafting a qb with their first pick... Then again, i expected the same last year and buffalo choked..

[FkLA]

It's sad, it really is. Talking all that shit and never won a thing. The thing is not only will he bust, he'll probably bolt whatever team drafts him after his contract is up for a better situation that can help his brand.

Yeah, Im sure his 10,000 total yards in two seasons are to blame for A&M not winning 'a thing'. :lol


at this point, i don't see any team drafting a qb with their first pick... Then again, i expected the same last year and buffalo choked..

Its all about demand. Ideally you want to take a sure thing with a first round pick but realistically how often do Andrew Lucks come around? You'll be waiting a long time for one of those tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, Im sure his 10,000 total yards in two seasons are to blame for A&M not winning a thing. :lol

Empty stats, didn't win shit, still overrated.... Inbred is the Kevin Love of college football :lol

David Klingler put up a bunch of big stats in college without winning anything of note, too - how'd his NFL career go? :lol

[spurraider21]

didn't A&M have the worst defense in the nation? if you guys are gna take away from Wilson because of Seattle's D, then you have to cut Manziel slack based on that same logic. I dont downgrade him because of his team's record/stats... how many national championships did Andrew Luck win? I downgrade Manziel because his style of play isn't sustainable in the NFL as we've seen time and time again

[FkLA]

Empty stats, didn't win shit, still overrated.... Inbred is the Kevin Love of college football :lol

Except Football doesnt play shitty defense like Love, Dunning-Kruger. :lol


David Klingler put up a bunch of big stats in college without winning anything of note, too - how'd his NFL career go? :lol

...and Matt Leinart won a national championship. I can use your same dumb logic right back at you tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol FkLA still slurping Klingler 2.0.... you do realize he's a "T-shirt sip," right?

[FkLA]

Youre a terrible poster tbh.

I hope for your sake you are just a troll and not really as dumb as you seem.

[Raven]

Yeah, Im sure his 10,000 total yards in two seasons are to blame for A&M not winning 'a thing'. :lol



Its all about demand. Ideally you want to take a sure thing with a first round pick but realistically how often do Andrew Lucks come around? You'll be waiting a long time for one of those tbh.

It's really more about the offer here, there are like 10 decent to good prospects and one overhyped gimmick in this draft class, that's more than enough to go bpa in the draft.. After all, only needy teams take qbs in the second round, so the situation is the same as the first round except with a lot less game changing talents available.

[FkLA]

It's really more about the offer here, there are like 10 decent to good prospects and one overhyped gimmick in this draft class, that's more than enough to go bpa in the draft.. After all, only needy teams take qbs in the second round, so the situation is the same as the first round except with a lot less game changing talents available.

I'd say there's a significant difference between decent and good. If your're one of these franchises that have sucked for a while and/or desperately need a QB you can't pass up on a guy that's good on your board simply because there might be a decent guy in the 2nd round. Manziel, Bridgewater and Bortles are all sure first rounders.

[Raven]

I'd say there's a significant difference between decent and good. If your're one of these franchises that have sucked for a while and/or desperately need a QB you can't pass up on a guy that's good on your board simply because there might be a decent guy in the 2nd round. Manziel, Bridgewater and Bortles are all sure first rounders.

prospects, decent to good prospects, and to presume you'll get in the play offs with a rookie qb is a pretty retarded way of thinking. (that happens to be very common)

[The Batman]

didn't A&M have the worst defense in the nation? if you guys are gna take away from Wilson because of Seattle's D, then you have to cut Manziel slack based on that same logic. I dont downgrade him because of his team's record/stats... how many national championships did Andrew Luck win? I downgrade Manziel because his style of play isn't sustainable in the NFL as we've seen time and time again

He won the Heisman as a freshman, and they had a good D that year. Still didn't win shit.

[spurraider21]

He won the Heisman as a freshman, and they had a good D that year. Still didn't win shit.
what did aaron rodgers, andrew luck, tom brady, drew brees win in college? please, this kind of shit is absurd. i'm not a manziel fan either, but damn you're gna need better takes than "lol he didn't win in college"

[The Batman]

what did aaron rodgers, andrew luck, tom brady, drew brees win in college? please, this kind of shit is absurd. i'm not a manziel fan either, but damn you're gna need better takes than "lol he didn't win in college"

Please. Did Luck, Rodgers, Brees, Brady have the kind of hype Manziel had? You're a Freshman Heisman winner, which means you are good enough to challenge for a title, and expectations are unusually high, and he feeds into his own hype. People like to use last year as an excuse because he had no defense, it's only fair to point out the year he had a solid one, and did not win. Because that is what it is going to take in the NFL for him, going to the right system, with a great defense and running game, like Wilson had.

[spurraider21]

that didn't address my post whatsoever

[The Batman]

that didn't address my post whatsoever
They all had the same hype Manziel had?

[spurraider21]

They all had the same hype Manziel had?
luck was arguably the most hyped prospect ever

[The Batman]

luck was arguably the most hyped prospect ever
:lmao no.

[spurraider21]

:lmao no.
i said arguably. i know one link ins't definitive, but i found this about 15 seconds after reading your post

http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/10-18-2011-top-10-qb-prospects

[The Batman]

They didn't even put Tebow on that list.

[spurraider21]

They didn't even put Tebow on that list.
tebow was not hyped as an NFL prospect... being taken in the first round was considered a wild reach. by your standards we have to throw in fucks like colt brennan to the list

tebow was hyped as a college player, i said luck was one of the most hyped prospects

[Clipper Nation]

One NFC scout apparently is much more impressed with Evans than Johnny Football, saying that Manziel has been the bigger beneficiary in the QB-WR relationship.


"In my opinion, (Evans) made Johnny Manziel, not the other way around," the unnamed scout told NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/times-sports/index.ssf/2014/03/eckel_three_men_love_nfl_draft.html) "A lot of times, Manziel just ran around and threw it up for grabs, and (Evans) came down with it."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000338091/article/scout-mike-evans-made-johnny-manziel-not-other-way-around

[benefactor]

One NFC scout apparently is much more impressed with Evans than Johnny Football, saying that Manziel has been the bigger beneficiary in the QB-WR relationship.


"In my opinion, (Evans) made Johnny Manziel, not the other way around," the unnamed scout told NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/times-sports/index.ssf/2014/03/eckel_three_men_love_nfl_draft.html) "A lot of times, Manziel just ran around and threw it up for grabs, and (Evans) came down with it."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000338091/article/scout-mike-evans-made-johnny-manziel-not-other-way-around
Not really news, tbh. This was pretty apparent to everyone except Fkla and Aggy.

[FkLA]

Is this how Dunning-Krugers function, find one quote and use it as your proof? No wonder you imbeciles never made it into college. :lol

[leemajors]

luck was arguably the most hyped prospect ever

one you wait around for to draft #1 yes, otherwise bpa or trade down. nothing close to that this year

[spurraider21]

Is this how Dunning-Krugers function, find one quote and use it as your proof? No wonder you imbeciles never made it into college. :lol
isn't it odd that you frequently refer to yourself in 3rd person, brag about UTSA, and call others Dunning-Krugers? you are literally the posterchild of Dunning-Krugers

[FkLA]

“If Russell Wilson can take a team to the Super Bowl,” said one NFL talent evaluator, “Manziel can do all that and more.”


“Ask Nick Saban how big Manziel is,” another NFL talent evaluator said.


“He’s the reason they win -- and you can’t say anything better about a player,” another NFL talent evaluator said. “If you are the reason, that’s a big statement.”


Manziel has a big man’s feet and hands in a small man’s body. He has the arm to make all the throws from the pocket and another scout raved about his “Larry Bird instinct” -- the ability to see everyone and everything on the field.



"He made me say 'Wow!''' Warner said on NFL Network during Johnny Football's spectacle at Texas A&M.

"I don't think there's very many guys even at the National Football League level that can make those kind of throws,'' Warner told Manziel on the NFL Network set. "With what we've seen, he's been extremely impressive. Overall, I think he's been really, really solid.'

Guess that settles it. He's the next Andrew Luck tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Inbred is a gimmickPERIOD

[FkLA]

isn't it odd that you frequently refer to yourself in 3rd person, brag about UTSA, and call others Dunning-Krugers? you are literally the posterchild of Dunning-Krugers

Already proved you wrong on me supposedly 'bragging about UTSA'. The third person thing is for fun.

If anyone wants to have a discussion on something Im open to it. I gave you the time until I realized how childish your arguments were. I never argued that Football is perfect I was mostly arguing with people like you that wanted to compare him to guys like Young, Pryor and Troy Smith. I don't use one quote or one tweet to prop up Football the way these dummies do to bring him down.

[spurraider21]

you haven't proven anything, and i've made rational arguments on every point i've argued regarding manziel... its not his arm/accuracy i've ever doubted tbh

[FkLA]

You don't seem like a Dunning-Kruger though. Youre just wrong sometimes (we all are) but atleast you try to support your stance. CN is just a leg humper that has one-sentence takes.

Try to have a discussion with dumbjohn or benefactor though. You won't be worth their time. Why bother when they know they are right? Both are Dunning-Kruger walking exhibits tbh.

[FkLA]

you haven't proven anything, and i've made rational arguments on every point i've argued regarding manziel... its not his arm/accuracy i've ever doubted tbh

Remember that time you thought I was fabricating UTSA's acceptance rate? Go back and read that convo, we talked about this.

And come on dude you brought up guys like Vince Young and Terrell Pryor. You brought up Tim Tebow and Tim Couch to downplay his stats in the SEC. You compared his 'inefficiency' to Kobe's inefficiency even though the guy completed 70% of his passes.

[spurraider21]

Remember that time you thought I was fabricating UTSA's acceptance rate? Go back and read that convo, we talked about this.
yeah, and once you showed the link i acknowledged it. i was giving stats based on what i had looked up. besides, that doesn't refute that you brag about your UTSA education

And come on dude you brought up guys like Vince Young and Terrell Pryor. You brought up Tim Tebow and Tim Couch to downplay his stats in the SEC. You compared his 'inefficiency' to Kobe's inefficiency even though the guy completed 70% of his passes.
i brought up guys like vince young and terrelle pryor as guys who's success depends largely on their feet. even you would acknowledge that the thing that makes Johnny Manziel special is the way he uses his feet. i dont think qb's who's success hinges on their feet are necessarily a winning formula. i never said his passing ability was equal to those guys. as for tebow/couch, im making a point that you can't take college stats and extrapolate them to the pros. same with colt brennan, who is actually remarkably similar to manziel when you watch his college footage.

i brought up the inefficiency thing because you said "his efficiency is lowered because he makes a lot of throws from outside the pocket" to which i responded that im not going to give a guy bonus points because he is purposely making inefficient throws by constantly breaking the pocket

[FkLA]

yeah, and once you showed the link i acknowledged it. i was giving stats based on what i had looked up. besides, that doesn't refute that you brag about your UTSA education


there's no problem with going to school wherever you went... but don't try to brag or act hard about it if its not a great school... or in the top 500
Show me a post where I pimp it out as some kind of elite uni.

It's an average university. 600 out of thousands, its only a 45 year old institution. I'm fine with that tbh.




i brought up guys like vince young and terrelle pryor as guys who's success depends largely on their feet. even you would acknowledge that the thing that makes Johnny Manziel special is the way he uses his feet. i dont think qb's who's success hinges on their feet are necessarily a winning formula. i never said his passing ability was equal to those guys. as for tebow/couch, im making a point that you can't take college stats and extrapolate them to the pros. same with colt brennan, who is actually remarkably similar to manziel when you watch his college footage.

It's a completely different level of dependence though. I gave you the Megatron/tall scrub example. Sure they both have a dependence on size but obviously Megatron has a lot more in his arsenal. How dumb would it be to ignore that? That's basically what you were doing.

I never said Football will put up similar stats in the pros. I also agreed that putting up stats at a top conference is not a requirement, cited Romo and Flacco as examples. This dude Chinook was trying to say they didn't matter at all though and like you was using a couple of guys to 'prove' it. There's tons of guys that had great stats in college and went on to be great in the NFL as well...so why conveniently ignore them for either of your arguments ?


i brought up the inefficiency thing because you said "his efficiency is lowered because he makes a lot of throws from outside the pocket" to which i responded that im not going to give a guy bonus points because he is purposely making inefficient throws by constantly breaking the pocket

He was never inefficient though. 1-3% less than the other guys doesn't make him an inefficient QB, much less at the same level as a Kobe Bryant. I also brought up the difference in competition which you ignored.

[spurraider21]

this is where Tim Couch and Tebow came in. they played the same level of competition that manziel did... the conference you play in doesn't matter when it comes to your skillset being transferrable to the NFL. same with the stats. manziel could have thrown for 7000 yards and 70 td's in his last college season. his style of play is not an nfl skillset, as we've seen before and will probably see again.

[FkLA]

prospects, decent to good prospects, and to presume you'll get in the play offs with a rookie qb is a pretty retarded way of thinking. (that happens to be very common)

A good prospect is a significantly better option than a decent prospect.

I don't think they need to necessarily need to make the playoffs their first year to reengage a fanbase.

[FkLA]

this is where Tim Couch and Tebow came in. they played the same level of competition that manziel did... the conference you play in doesn't matter when it comes to your skillset being transferrable to the NFL. same with the stats. manziel could have thrown for 7000 yards and 70 td's in his last college season. his style of play is not an nfl skillset, as we've seen before and will probably see again.

Playing style is not a skillset, its a style.

He has plenty of NFL caliber skills in his skillset. His arm strength and accuracy--both inside and outside the pocket--are NFL quality. Does he need to reduce the scrambling and make more strides inside the pocket? Absolutely. But he's 21 and made major improvements there from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. We've never seen a running QB with some of the other qualities Football has, so no we havent seen this movie yet.

[Raven]

Playing style is not a skillset, its a style.

He has plenty of NFL caliber skills in his skillset. His arm strength and accuracy--both inside and outside the pocket--are NFL quality. Does he need to reduce the scrambling and make more strides inside the pocket? Absolutely. But he's 21 and made major improvements there from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. We've never seen a running QB with some of the other qualities Football has, so no we havent seen this movie yet.

Derek Carr is as fast as Manziel, is more athletic by far, is a lot taller and has a far better arm. I don't see how anyone can make a case for Manziel being a better "prospect", if we talk about prospects as such.

[The Batman]

Playing style is not a skillset, its a style.

He has plenty of NFL caliber skills in his skillset. His arm strength and accuracy--both inside and outside the pocket--are NFL quality. Does he need to reduce the scrambling and make more strides inside the pocket? Absolutely. But he's 21 and made major improvements there from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. We've never seen a running QB with some of the other qualities Football has, so no we havent seen this movie yet.

Yes we have. Vick had a stronger arm, more accurate, and with more velocity.

[benefactor]

Fruitless debate is fruitless. He's not coming to Houston. Beyond the questions about his game translating at the pro level, Manziel is a walking media circus. If Manziel's pro day performance helped him any in Houston's eyes, Nike negated it all by selling his pro day apparel.

O'Brien is not Jerry Jones. There is no way he is going to tolerate any of this in Houston. We are talking about a guy that took down all the individual accomplishments from the locker room when he arrived...and has even issued locker tags with no names, only numbers. Manziel and the attention fest that comes with him goes completely against the foundation that BOB is trying to lay.

[MeloHype]

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[benefactor]

Expected. He wasn't looking that receptive towards a pay cut.

[FkLA]

Derek Carr is as fast as Manziel, is more athletic by far, is a lot taller and has a far better arm. I don't see how anyone can make a case for Manziel being a better "prospect", if we talk about prospects as such.

Top end speed is the same, that's it. Quickness is a whole other story. What in the world makes you say he is more athletic by far? A lot taller and a far better arm are huge exaggerations as well. :lol

Carr beat up on a weak MWC. How'd he do in his bowl game against USC? I'm pretty sure that is worrying for GMs.


Yes we have. Vick had a stronger arm, more accurate, and with more velocity.

Vick was nowhere near as accurate as Football coming into the league. That is a blatant lie tbh.

[Michael Jordan.]

Also, Keenum, and Manziel played in Sumlin's offense. Kolb also played in a similar offense at UH that had him produce record numbers. Yet Keenum nor Kolb didn't improvise as much as Manziel and we all know why. In a QB friendly system, you still can't stay in the pocket when there's pressure :lol

[spurraider21]

he's mayock's #1 qb right now

:downspin:

[Michael Jordan.]

he's mayock's #1 qb right now

:downspin:
Mayock on Gabbert: 'He's the first quarterback off the board'http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/nflns-mike-mayock-on-missouri-qb-blaine-gabbert-hes-the-first-quarterback-off-the-board/1#.UzrQW6hdVA0


:lol

[Michael Jordan.]

http://college2pro.com/articlePics/Clowney%20Watt%20YD.jpg

If that pans out, set for the next decade.

[Bill_Brasky]

I mean it has to be Clowney. Yes, JFF is intriguing, but he isn't the surefire immediate impact player that Clowney is.

[Michael Jordan.]

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/jadeveon-clowney-drills.gif



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[Michael Jordan.]

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[spurraider21]

Oh a coach said good things about a guy in his pro day?

[leemajors]

Yeah the Bachelor and Clowney would be good up front.

[Chinook]

I'd love for the Texans to pull a 2008 Dolphins and sign Clowney before the draft even starts.

[benefactor]

They would be foolish to take any of these QB's over Clowney. I admit that I was over emotional about wanting a QB for obvious reasons, but it's pretty clear Clowney is a Watt-level talent.

[Thompson]

I think the Texans might actually draft Manziel, and I'll go on record that they'll regret it if they don't.

[FkLA]

Clowney is a freak but how long can you keep him and Watt together? Both of them will need to get paid eventually. Spending big money on an elite DE is normal but doing it on two seems like it would be a stupid decision. Not to mention the fact that a QB's impact on a team trumps the impact of any other position.

[spurraider21]

Clowney is a freak but how long can you keep him and Watt together? Both of them will need to get paid eventually. Spending big money on an elite DE is normal but doing it on two seems like it would be a stupid decision. Not to mention the fact that a QB's impact on a team trumps the impact of any other position.
if you can keep those bookends together for 7-8 years... holy shit

[Raven]

Clowney is a freak but how long can you keep him and Watt together? Both of them will need to get paid eventually. Spending big money on an elite DE is normal but doing it on two seems like it would be a stupid decision. Not to mention the fact that a QB's impact on a team trumps the impact of any other position.

So basically they shouldn't draft clowney because he'll be too good.. seems legit

[Clipper Nation]

Clowney is a freak but how long can you keep him and Watt together? Both of them will need to get paid eventually. Spending big money on an elite DE is normal but doing it on two seems like it would be a stupid decision. Not to mention the fact that a QB's impact on a team trumps the impact of any other position.
Translation: :cry "Don't draft Clowney because he isn't Inbred!!!" :cry

[benefactor]

So basically they shouldn't draft clowney because he'll be too good.. seems legit
:lol

[manufan10]

I'm hoping Houston drafts Manziel, but I wouldn't blame them for taking Clowney.

[Clipper Nation]

Former Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33057/johnny-manziel) continues to set himself up to cash in on his future. In line to eventually secure a "Johnny Football" trademark, Manziel's team filed for more trademarks recently, including "The House That Johnny Built."
:lol Goddamn, Inbred is such a faggot....

[FkLA]

So basically they shouldn't draft clowney because he'll be too good.. seems legit

Watt will get paid in two years, tops. Clowney 3 years after that. Are you seriously telling me having two DEs on Mario Williams-esque deals shouldn't be a concern? Unless Clowney can also play OLB at a high level that seems like a lot of money to tie up into one position group.

[Raven]

Watt will get paid in two years, tops. Clowney 3 years after that. Are you seriously telling me having two DEs on Mario Williams-esque deals shouldn't be a concern? Unless Clowney can also play OLB at a high level that seems like a lot of money to tie up into one position group.

well 20+2M on a "franchise" and backup qb is just as much money, what now? Seriously, such an argument so early in a players career is just retarded, even if they couldn't keep him, they could always trade him.

[spurraider21]

still more than a month till the draft... fuck

[Chinook]

Yeah, if the Texans fail to draft Clowney because they're afraid about the possibility of having to pay two dominant pass-rushers in their primes, they should probably just go ahead and contract, especially since they can easily stagger the cap hits to make it manageable.

[leemajors]

Yeah, if the Texans fail to draft Clowney because they're afraid about the possibility of having to pay two dominant pass-rushers in their primes, they should probably just go ahead and contract, especially since they can easily stagger the cap hits to make it manageable.

:lol

[FkLA]

If yall really think that is something that shouldnt be/isnt being taken into consideration then :lol

Clowney is unquestionably the best player in this class. If it were as easy as just taking the best player then there'd also be no question about who Houston is taking...but that's far from being the case right now. I wonder why tbh.

[Raven]

If yall really think that is something that shouldnt be/isnt being taken into consideration then :lol

Clowney is unquestionably the best player in this class. If it were as easy as just taking the best player then there'd also be no question about who Houston is taking...but that's far from being the case right now. I wonder why tbh.

tbh if they would draft out of need, then they would draft either greg robinson or jake matthews.

[spurraider21]

BPA is easily the best strategy. you do that over the course of years and u have a stacked roster, instead of perpetually filling holes

[Chinook]

If yall really think that is something that shouldnt be/isnt being taken into consideration then :lol

Clowney is unquestionably the best player in this class. If it were as easy as just taking the best player then there'd also be no question about who Houston is taking...but that's far from being the case right now. I wonder why tbh.

The cap hit thing is not an issue. It's absurd that you'd think so. Watt can get a new contract starting this season. Clowney wouldn't have to get one for five years. Even when Watt is in his big-money years, Clowney would either be on his rookie deal still or in the first (cheapest) years of his second contract.

Even if the cap hits were both big at the same time, it's hardly unprecedented for a team to have two linemen making big money at the same time. Suggs and Ngata, Rice and Sapp, the Williams Wall, Osi and Tuck, Freeney and Mathis. The list goes on. If the biggest question you have about the pass rush is if you can afford the talent you have, you just shut up and pay the money.

Finally, you don't draft scared of what's going to happen in five years. The NFL's too uncertain. No one knows if Watt is going to even see another contract from Houston. He may be retired or traded or released. Or whatever.

[FkLA]

tbh if they would draft out of need, then they would draft either greg robinson or jake matthews.

Their line sucked no doubt but all signs point to them getting a QB if they draft based on need.


BPA is easily the best strategy. you do that over the course of years and u have a stacked roster, instead of perpetually filling holes

Disagree. It depends on the team.


The cap hit thing is not an issue. It's absurd that you'd think so. Watt can get a new contract starting this season. Clowney wouldn't have to get one for five years. Even when Watt is in his big-money years, Clowney would either be on his rookie deal still or in the first (cheapest) years of his second contract.

Even if the cap hits were both big at the same time, it's hardly unprecedented for a team to have two linemen making big money at the same time. Suggs and Ngata, Rice and Sapp, the Williams Wall, Osi and Tuck, Freeney and Mathis. The list goes on. If the biggest question you have about the pass rush is if you can afford the talent you have, you just shut up and pay the money.

Finally, you don't draft scared of what's going to happen in five years. The NFL's too uncertain. No one knows if Watt is going to even see another contract from Houston. He may be retired or traded or released. Or whatever.

1.You are acting like I'm saying it is the sole reason or major reason why Houston should think long and hard before drafting him. :lol
2. Last I read Houston has not even begun to think about an extension for Watt.
3. A DT/DE duo is not the same thing.
4. Tuck was a 3rd round pick. Mathis was a 5th rounder. It's not like those teams had Freeney/Osi and decided to spend the top overall pick on another DE.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying Houston would be stupid to draft him. The thought of a Watt-Clowney duo is pretty tempting but let's also not act like certain shit doesn't need to be taken into consideration. It really is far from being as simple as Clowney is the BPA and that's it.

[benefactor]

:lol not thinking about an extension for Watt...what horrible take. He's basically their franchise player right now. He will be extended before the season is over.

Oh...and surprise, surprise...you are backtracking again after taking a position. And you wonder why I've walked away from so many conversations with you and advised others to do the same. It's like arguing with a fucking sixth grader.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mack > Clowney

[benefactor]

I'd be happy with either. Both are game changing players and have more certainty about them than any of the QB's projected to go in the first.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd be happy with either. Both are game changing players and have more certainty about them than any of the QB's projected to go in the first.

I'm no Lombardi, but after reading and watching everything I can the past month or two, I'm just not sold on Clowney.

Hopefully a team offers a great deal for the first pick and Texans can trade down to get an extra first and possibly an extra second (depending on how high a team values Clowney).

There's no standout QB this draft (although I do think Manziel has highest ceiling of the class). I'd rather them fill in the holes on both sides of trenches (RT, G, DT, DE), LB position and secondary (CB) this draft. Let Fitz, Keenum and Yates battle out the game manager position -- draft your QB next year (hopefully with one of two 1st's -- if Texans trade down). There's no QB in the draft that can make this team an instant contender anyway.

Texans are two great, three good drafts away from being relevant again-- especially w/ the yearly regression Foster has displayed the past 3 years (I think he'll be done in 2 years).

I wouldn't mind seeing Texans trying to flip Andre for a 2nd rounder this draft ( which is WR deep) either.

[Chinook]

Their line sucked no doubt but all signs point to them getting a QB if they draft based on need.



Disagree. It depends on the team.



1.You are acting like I'm saying it is the sole reason or major reason why Houston should think long and hard before drafting him. :lol
2. Last I read Houston has not even begun to think about an extension for Watt.
3. A DT/DE duo is not the same thing.
4. Tuck was a 3rd round pick. Mathis was a 5th rounder. It's not like those teams had Freeney/Osi and decided to spend the top overall pick on another DE.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying Houston would be stupid to draft him. The thought of a Watt-Clowney duo is pretty tempting but let's also not act like certain shit doesn't need to be taken into consideration. It really is far from being as simple as Clowney is the BPA and that's it.

1 It's not a reason at all. That's the point.

2 Then why worry about the Texans not being able to afford both?

3 How is it any different?

4 We're talking about spending money on a second contract, not drafting initially. Don't change the subject. The Colts still decided to pay both their ends huge money when the time came. The Giants paid their ends AND still took a third with their first-rounder.

There are some exceptions to BPA. That's why the Ravens use their hybrid system instead. There are definitely reasons not to take Clowney first overall. It's just that already having Watt isn't one of them.

[Thompson]

I'm no Lombardi, but after reading and watching everything I can the past month or two, I'm just not sold on Clowney.


Clowney didn't really have a great season this past year, and his own coach doesn't seem all that enamored with him. Apparently Mario Williams's drills were better than Clowney's (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/columnists/mcclain/article/Clowney-may-be-safe-bet-but-Texans-should-pick-a-5375451.php) in all but one category (40-yard dash). Having said that, though I hope and think the Texans may take Manziel #1, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to take Clowney or Mack and hoped a decent quarterback would fall to the second round. Their coach mentioned possibly drafting two quarterbacks, so they might go that route and just hope one pans out.

[weebo]

At this point, if the Texans keep the number 1 pick, I would hope they would take Mack.

[spurraider21]

I'm hoping Mack falls to #5... But I'm sure even if that happens the raiders will draft somebody else

[FkLA]

:lol not thinking about an extension for Watt...what horrible take. He's basically their franchise player right now. He will be extended before the season is over.

You imbecile...

Google Watt extension. Currently they have not begun to think of an extension, mainly bc they still have a lot of time. That comment wasn't to suggest he isn't a big piece of Houston.


Oh...and surprise, surprise...you are backtracking again after taking a position. And you wonder why I've walked away from so many conversations with you and advised others to do the same. It's like arguing with a fucking sixth grader.

Oh surprise surprise your comprehension skills are still shit. If you think any of my posts suggested having to pay both of them big money is the sole reason/main reason why the Texans shouldnt take Clowney then you are stupid, simple as that.

And then you wonder why you get called Dunning-Kruger smh.

[spurraider21]

in all seriousness i hope FkLA gets his wish. just increases the odds of a watt/clowney falling to 5

[FkLA]

1 It's not a reason at all. That's the point.

2 Then why worry about the Texans not being able to afford both?

3 How is it any different?

4 We're talking about spending money on a second contract, not drafting initially. Don't change the subject. The Colts still decided to pay both their ends huge money when the time came. The Giants paid their ends AND still took a third with their first-rounder.

There are some exceptions to BPA. That's why the Ravens use their hybrid system instead. There are definitely reasons not to take Clowney first overall. It's just that already having Watt isn't one of them.

1.That your opinion. In mine it's something that has to be considered. Two players of the same position group on Mario Williams deals is pretty unattractive.

2. That comment was in response to you saying Watt could get a new contract this year. They could opt in for the 5th year and give him a contract then instead, so more overlapping.

3.How not? A DT is a completely different position, with a completely different skillset and function.

4. I understand that the contracts for a duo have been/can be done. I'm just pointing out that spending a top overall pick to get the second half of the duo hasn't.

If they decide to pick based on need, and Watt is a year removed from being named the DPOY, how does he have nothing to do with it? :lol

[Spur-Addict]

Take it from me, you can never have enough good/great defensive lineman :lol

[benefactor]

You imbecile...

Google Watt extension. Currently they have not begun to think of an extension, mainly bc they still have a lot of time. That comment wasn't to suggest he isn't a big piece of Houston.

I don't have to Google it you fucking moron. They will get it wrapped up as soon as possible. All teams do this with players they consider to be part of the future of their franchise. Name a team that has "taken their time" when extending one of their franchise players. I'll wait.

[FkLA]

Jesus christ you are one stupid fuck. That comment had nothing to do with whether Watt getting a deal was in question. It was also not meant to minimize his importance to the Texans. Go back and re-read the exchange very slowly and then maybe your tiny, red neck brain will realize just how much of an imbecile you are tbh.

[benefactor]

facepalm

Once again...talking to you about anything is impossible. All you do is change the shit you say in mid debate. Every fucking time.

None of this matters. Houston will draft Clowney and you will follow Fagball to whatever team drafts him and watch him fail on that team spectacularly. I guess the only good in all of this is it will be fun bumping all of these threads a few seasons from now.

[FkLA]

You didn't re-read anything did you ?

Just Dunning-Kruger doing what Dunning-Kruger does tbh.

[benefactor]

I read just fine. Chinook already called you out for trying to change the parameters of the discussion and you just did it again with me.

Go fuck yourself.

[FkLA]

I'm going to explain it real slowly for your braindead ass even though your response will be to tuck your tail between your legs and run.

1.Chinook mentioned Watt could get his contract this year, meaning there could be a 4-5(?) year gap between his and Clowneys deals.

2. I brought up what I read, which was coming from the Texans themselves and had nothing to do with personal opinion. If they are not looking to give Watt a big deal right now and instead wait until they excercise the 5th year...then the gap between his and Clowneys contracts becomes 3 years.

3. You are a Dunning-Kruger and your comprehension skills are shit. Now tuck and run, faggot.

[Michael Jordan.]

453165285571592192

[Lincoln]

BPA is easily the best strategy. you do that over the course of years and u have a stacked roster, instead of perpetually filling holes

Yup tbh. Holes change every year so it's better to just stack up the best talent on the team unless it wouldn't make sense (skins drafting a QB or OLB because it's BPA for example would be retarded). You don't wanna reach on a player just because it's a need

[Michael Jordan.]

Yeah, you go BPA especially with the number 1 pick. If you pick Clowney and he busts, then it's understandable because there's not much separation at the top. But the upside is too good to pass on. I'd rather build a stacked D.

[Michael Jordan.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjXMSI6CEAAeHng.jpg

[Chinook]

I'm going to explain it real slowly for your braindead ass even though your response will be to tuck your tail between your legs and run.

1.Chinook mentioned Watt could get his contract this year, meaning there could be a 4-5(?) year gap between his and Clowneys deals.

2. I brought up what I read, which was coming from the Texans themselves and had nothing to do with personal opinion. If they are not looking to give Watt a big deal right now and instead wait until they excercise the 5th year...then the gap between his and Clowneys contracts becomes 3 years.

3. You are a Dunning-Kruger and your comprehension skills are shit. Now tuck and run, faggot.

A three-year gap between contracts is huge, though. Big contracts usually have a cheap first half (as far as cap hits go) and then an expensive half. So long as Watt's expensive half coincides with either Clowney's rookie deal or the cheap half of his second contract, it's not really a big deal. Then "worst case" Watt gets a new deal when Clowney gets to his expensive half, and it keeps going.

[MeloHype]

453262645832187905

[benefactor]

What's the skinny on him? TIMMYtoZO?

[FkLA]

A three-year gap between contracts is huge, though. Big contracts usually have a cheap first half (as far as cap hits go) and then an expensive half. So long as Watt's expensive half coincides with either Clowney's rookie deal or the cheap half of his second contract, it's not really a big deal. Then "worst case" Watt gets a new deal when Clowney gets to his expensive half, and it keeps going.

There's definitely the possibility to minimize the overlapping if the Texans are creative with the contracts or restructure. But will note that Williams' jumps to $15.8 in just the second year, Peppers got $41 mill his first three years in Chicago, etc. I really don't see how it's something you don't consider.


http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120403131403/wolvesofthebeyond/images/a/a9/Gnaw.jpg

:lol

[benefactor]

Started here...

Clowney is a freak but how long can you keep him and Watt together? Both of them will need to get paid eventually.
Finished here...

There's definitely the possibility to minimize the overlapping if the Texans are creative with the contracts or restructure.

per par

[FkLA]

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120403131403/wolvesofthebeyond/images/a/a9/Gnaw.jpg

[Chinook]

There's definitely the possibility to minimize the overlapping if the Texans are creative with the contracts or restructure. But will note that Williams' jumps to $15.8 in just the second year, Peppers got $41 mill his first three years in Chicago, etc. I really don't see how it's something you don't consider.



:lol

I didn't look at Peppers' details. But I imagine the $41 Million is in cash, not cap hit. Like if he got a $100M/6 deal with $41M guaranteed and the same amount paid over three years, they could give him $5M in guaranteed base salaries, a $24M signing bonus and a $12M guaranteed second-year option bonus.

Cap hits:

Year 1 - $5M
2 - $7.4M
3 - $9.4M

Huge front-loaded deal with small early cap hits. Sure there are some contracts which are mainly flat (like Eugene Monroe's new deal or Revis' old deal with Tampa) and some that are cap-frontloaded (DeAngelo Williams' current contract), but that just reinforces why it's not hard to give out several big contracts and make them fit under the cap.

[FkLA]

454334804343812096

:hat

[benefactor]

yawn

You do know that Ryan Fitzpatrick had one of the highest scores of all time, right?

[djohn2oo8]

Ponder got a 35 and Greg Mcleroy got a 42. Let that dumbass think the Wonderlic is the SAT.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol So who actually took the Wonderlic for Inbred?

[FkLA]

But I thought he was A&M's Vince Young :wtf

I guess other than the fact that he is a lot smarter, has a bigger arm, a more accurate arm, a quicker release and in general is a much better passer they are practically the same player.

[Clipper Nation]

But I thought he was A&M's Vince Young :wtf

Inbred was never Aggy's Vince Young.... Vince actually won something of note in college :lol

[Raven]

inbred doesn't strike me as a retard, he is more of a drama queen..

[Raven]

in fairness, 32 is really middling, Gabbust was 42 and Luck and Crap 37.. :lol bridgewater

[Chinook]

But I thought he was A&M's Vince Young :wtf

I guess other than the fact that he is a lot smarter, has a bigger arm, a more accurate arm, a quicker release and in general is a much better passer they are practically the same player.

Still misunderstanding what that statement means, I see.

[Holden_Caulfield]

454334804343812096

:hat
:lmao im pretty sure 40>32, at least in California. Jeff Mathews scored the highest

[FkLA]

Still misunderstanding what that statement means, I see.

Even though I think your argument is dumb too there were people that brought him up way before you, so it's not necessarily directed at you. They brought Vince up to compare more than just their respective 'hype and fans' too.


:lmao im pretty sure 40>32, at least in California. Jeff Mathews scored the highest

It says out of the top QB prospects. I dont even know who Mathews is so Im pretty sure he isnt a top prospect tbh.

[Michael Jordan.]

Inbred was never Aggy's Vince Young.... Vince actually won something of note in college :lol
And he didn't have the hype before he even played a game.

[Thompson]

454724860170604544

Not sure how reliable this guy is. Even if it's true, I wonder how entrenched each guy is on his choice. Owner wins.:king

[benefactor]

McNair isn't Jerry. He has never meddled in draft decisions.

Smith has the final call since he's the GM but Smith is walking on thin ice as far as his job goes. He will listen to O'Brien as he is the guy that is expected to turn the team around. If he feels that Clowney is the guy, he will be the pick.

[spurraider21]

Please take Teddy :lol

[Raven]

bridgewater will probably be available in the 2nd round at this point.

[benefactor]

bridgewater will probably be available in the 2nd round at this point.
:tu

Would be a decent gamble at the top of the second.

[FkLA]

McNair isn't Jerry. He has never meddled in draft decisions.

Smith has the final call since he's the GM but Smith is walking on thin ice as far as his job goes. He will listen to O'Brien as he is the guy that is expected to turn the team around. If he feels that Clowney is the guy, he will be the pick.

You have it all figured out don't you? Such a typical Dunning-Kruger post tbh. :lol

[benefactor]

Get ready to change that team skin to the Browns, tbh.

[spurraider21]

I feel like FkLA learned what Dunning-Kruger meant recently and is now trying to use it in a sentence as often as possible

[Spur-Addict]

I feel like FkLA learned what Dunning-Kruger meant recently and is now trying to use it in a sentence as often as possible

Although true, he seems to be attempting to develop a schtick of some sort.

[FkLA]

Get ready to change that team skin to the Browns, tbh.

Very well could be the case. I'm not a Dunning-Kruger so I don't claim to have unpredictable stuff like that figured out, I'm simply giving my opinion on some players. That's the difference between a Dunning-Kruger like you and an intelligent individual like me tbh.

You could end up being absolutely right and itd be nothing more than a good, educated guess. Same for me if I made a prediction about who drafts these guys. :lol

[FkLA]

p.s. ive been calling bene a D-K for at least a year or two tbh

[benefactor]

I feel like FkLA learned what Dunning-Kruger meant recently and is now trying to use it in a sentence as often as possible
I'm not even sure if he knows what it really means tbh. It wasn't even relevant to what I posted.

[leemajors]

I feel like FkLA learned what Dunning-Kruger meant recently and is now trying to use it in a sentence as often as possible

Good Will Hunting situation tbh

[FkLA]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=51603

:danceclub

[spurraider21]

Good Will Hunting situation tbh
:lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

[benefactor]

Good Will Hunting situation tbh
Actually...he stole it from mavs>spurs. He was using it several years ago.

[FkLA]

You're a redneck from East Texas without a proper education. You make posts that suggest you think you have everything figured out. You also have some sort of superiority complex towards a lot of posters, not just me.

I didn't steal anything from anybody, if the term fits you (which it does) then you deserve to be called a Dunning-Kruger. Which is what I did tbh.

[ColinB]

Good Will Hunting situation tbh

This is spot on.

[Chinook]

You're a redneck from East Texas without a proper education. You make posts that suggest you think you have everything figured out. You also have some sort of superiority complex towards a lot of posters, not just me.

I didn't steal anything from anybody, if the term fits you (which it does) then you deserve to be called a Dunning-Kruger. Which is what I did tbh.

Lol you region-smack East Texas education when you went to UTSA?

[benefactor]

All of my posts are my opinions. I don't claim to have anything figured out and I've eaten crow many times for bad takes.

We've been through all this before. It's stupid to single anyone out on ST(or the internet in general) and try to apply Dunning-Kruger to them, because 90% of the conversations in this place consist of people thinking they know more about something than someone else knows or someone calling someone a faggot or a dumbass. By your logic most of the people here are Dunning-Krugers.

[benefactor]

Lol you region-smack East Texas education when you went to UTSA?
In his eyes going to college = intellect. Perhaps I should break out the list of millionaires/billionaires who didn't go to college.

[thunderup]

You're a redneck from East Texas without a proper education. You make posts that suggest you think you have everything figured out. You also have some sort of superiority complex towards a lot of posters, not just me.
:lol This is true.

[FkLA]

Go ahead and list them. Then I'll point to the millions (like you) that didn't go to college and aren't shit. :lol

[FkLA]

I mean there's nothing wrong with not going to college I guess, it's just that when you don't you are in no position to act all uppity and have that superiority complex.

[Spur-Addict]

This guy gives retards a bad name

[FkLA]

lol mad

I'm still waiting brah...

[Spur-Addict]

What's there to be mad at? You're the genius who can't put together a logical sequence, then, practically begs me to tell you what you did wrong :rollin If you can't spot the sucker, it's you. Player A and B :lmao

[FkLA]

You wouldn't be in here trying to take a little shot at FkLA if you hadnt gotten whooped yesterday, little nigga. FkLA has you rattled but don't feel bad you're not the first tbh. :lol

And I know there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Player A/B statement I made. I'm willing to explain it for you little niggas but I'd like to see one of you own yourself first by 'explaining' how FkLA is sooo wrong. Djohn/MJ kinda tried to explain it and then quickly backed away. :lol

[sook]

:lol

[Spur-Addict]

The only thing that's rattled is your brain when you attempt movement. You're willing to explain it? :lmao You couldn't explain it if you wanted to, that's why you asked me from the beginning. If you were sooo mentally able, you wouldn't have messed it up from the beginning. Sad thing is, guys like you don't realize how stupid they really are until it's too late tbh...SMH.


What's wrong with it? The Dunning-Krugers couldn't tell me so maybe you can help them out tbh.

:cry Help me, pleeeease :cry


Nope, tell me. You can lol at FkLA some more afterwards tbh.

:cry Helllllllllp me :cry


I don't see why it would take more than a couple of sentences. If you can't prove it that's fine, they couldn't either tbh.

:cry Now I'm mad, and I'm going to insult you with my pea brain :cry

If you haven't noticed, I'm having a tremendous amount of fun at your expense. Please, continue

[FkLA]

The only thing that's rattled is your brain when you attempt movement. You're willing to explain it? :lmao You couldn't explain it if you wanted to, that's why you asked me from the beginning. If you were sooo mentally able, you wouldn't have messed it up from the beginning. Sad thing is, guys like you don't realize how stupid they really are until it's too late tbh...SMH.



:cry Help me, pleeeease :cry



:cry Helllllllllp me :cry



:cry Now I'm mad, and I'm going to insult you with my pea brain :cry

If you haven't noticed, I'm having a tremendous amount of fun at your expense. Please, continue

I absolutely can explain it. If you want me to, make a fool of yourself first otherwise tuck your tail between your legs anf run along. :lol

[Raven]

fkla going ham on bene, treats him like he was born without a leg or something :lol

[FkLA]

I think unnamed sources are pussies but I'm just gonna put this here anyways since we know it would've been posted if it was about Football:


“He’s spoiled, and he’s lazy,’’ the NFC personnel man told Eckel. “He’s never worked hard a day in his life, now all of a sudden you’re going to give him a bunch of money and expect him to work hard. I don’t see it.’"

“Oh, he’s going to be a high pick,’’ the personnel man told Eckel. “Some team will fall in love with him. But wait and see, just wait and see. I just don’t think you can count on him. I’m betting the under on him.’'

http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/13/nfl-draft-jadeveon-clowney-rumors-spoiled-lazy/

[MeloHype]

456200119625338880

[MeloHype]

456949607667621888

[FkLA]

:cry what a horrible decision, what kind of of team exercises a fifth year and 'takes their time' extending their franchise player? :cry

[benefactor]

It doesn't mean anything either way from a standpoint of taking their time. It's the same deadline date for all teams with first round picks for that year.

He will be extended long before he sees the money on that final year. My money goes on them getting it done before the season is out.

[FkLA]

Proud of you for beginning to use words like 'my opinion' or 'my guess'. Its a solid first step tbh. :tu

[manufan10]

458267681867972608

[Spur-Addict]

Can't go wrong either way. And with Cushing on roids and being fragile, why not sure up that LB core?

[benefactor]

Agreed. I'd be happy with either. Both are going to be game changing defensive players.

[FkLA]

How much of Mack did you niggas watch during his time at Buffalo? :lol

[spurraider21]

How much of Mack did you niggas watch during his time at Buffalo? :lol
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/khalil-mack

i dont have to sit there and watch games live to see a guy play, this isn't the 80's tbh. you can find all the game tape if you have the right resources

[FkLA]

That's seven videos (7-12 minutes long). Not saying he won't be a stud, I actually don't have an opinion on the dude since I haven't really watched much of his games or tapes...I just find it funny when niggas basically regurgitate what the media says about guys that played for obscure schools. Same has kinda been done with Bortles, UCF gets more exposure than Buffalo but it's still not a team/conference that has a huge following.

[Clipper Nation]

That's seven videos (7-12 minutes long). Not saying he won't be a stud, I actually don't have an opinion on the dude since I haven't really watched much of his games or tapes...I just find it funny when niggas basically regurgitate what the media says about guys that played for obscure schools. Same has kinda been done with Bortles, UCF gets more exposure than Buffalo but it's still not a team/conference that has a huge following.
:lol Scoffs at "obscure schools"
:lol Shills for lolutsa every chance he gets

[spurraider21]

That's seven videos (7-12 minutes long). Not saying he won't be a stud, I actually don't have an opinion on the dude since I haven't really watched much of his games or tapes...I just find it funny when niggas basically regurgitate what the media says about guys that played for obscure schools. Same has kinda been done with Bortles, UCF gets more exposure than Buffalo but it's still not a team/conference that has a huge following.
who cares how many minutes they are? they show every relevant play, good/bad/neutral. im not going to sit through a 3 hour broadcast including their offense, timeouts, etc in order to gauge a player's performance. and that is just one site tbh

watch the ohio state game tbh. his team was outmatched but he is still a standout

[FkLA]

I have no problem with those schools, retard. Probably watch more non-P5 college football than anyone here which is kinda the point.

[Chinook]

That's seven videos (7-12 minutes long). Not saying he won't be a stud, I actually don't have an opinion on the dude since I haven't really watched much of his games or tapes...I just find it funny when niggas basically regurgitate what the media says about guys that played for obscure schools. Same has kinda been done with Bortles, UCF gets more exposure than Buffalo but it's still not a team/conference that has a huge following.

:lol Criticizing people for using legit game tape for Mack but trying to rep YouTube highlights of Manziel a few weeks ago.

[FkLA]

:lol Criticizing legit game tape for Mack but trying to rep YouTube highlights of Manziel a few weeks ago.

smh...

[spurraider21]

:lol Criticizing people for using legit game tape for Mack but trying to rep YouTube highlights of Manziel a few weeks ago.
:rollin

[FkLA]

Yeah, because my opinion on Football comes from watching those YT vids. He wasn't on TV practically every week or anything like that. :rolleyes

Seven games total, with one of them being from 2012. Mostly MAC competition. Yeah, I can see how you guys can develop an expert opinion on the guy from that. You niggas are bandwagoning the media quit acting like you have enough tape to evaluate the guy as a surefire star. :lol

[spurraider21]

Yeah, because my opinion on Football comes from watching those YT vids. He wasn't on TV practically every week or anything like that. :rolleyes

Seven games total, with one of them being from 2012. Mostly MAC competition. Yeah, I can see how you guys can develop an expert opinion on the guy from that. You niggas are bandwagoning the media quit acting like you have enough tape to evaluate the guy as a surefire star. :lol
i showed you one link and you talk like thats the only footage of mack any of us have seen.

[FkLA]

i showed you one link and you talk like thats the only footage of mack any of us have seen.

The average person won't even bother with just that link. Probably why the rating system (for both college and HS kids) is such a big deal to most niggas.

Where's the rest of his tape at though? That simply aint enough to convince me yall are doing more than bandwagoning the media's take on Mack. Don't know why yall try to act like little gurus all the time, I have no problem admitting I've only watched a small amount of this '15 class often--the majority of the class I have little to no clue about.

[spurraider21]

you are the last person who should be accusing others of bandwagoning hype.

[FkLA]

you are the last person who should be accusing others of bandwagoning hype.

Yeah that's a completely different form of bandwagoning, genius.

[Spur-Addict]

:rollin What a fucking idiot

[benefactor]

facepalm

[FkLA]

lol armchair GMs

[spurraider21]

:cry you guys are armchair gm's
:cry but here's me arguing for a month about why Manziel should be drafted number 1
:cry he's so good look at this highlight video!

[Chinook]

:cry you guys are armchair gm's
:cry but here's me arguing for a month about why Manziel should be drafted number 1
:cry he's so good look at this highlight video!

And he even looks like a future bust in his highlight videos.

:cry he throws across his body into the middle of the field, but that's just him making something happen
:cry throwing into coverage is okay, because he's so good, it works
:cry jump-passes are awesome

[FkLA]

:cry ive seen several of his YouTube vids and Mack will absolutely be a star :cry

[spurraider21]

:lol comparing game films to highlight videos

[FkLA]

:lol comparing entire games to 4 minute clips

[spurraider21]

:lol comparing entire games to 4 minute clips
:lol not realizing those videos show just about every defensive play in the game
:lol didn't actually watch the videos
:lol prefers 5 minute heavily edited highlight videos and calls it tape

[spurraider21]

try actually watching the video.
:lol calls it 4 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmMZ6gJeoMI

[benefactor]

facepalm

[Clipper Nation]

Literally every single point FkLA is trying to make is wrong :lmao

[FkLA]

:lol not realizing those videos show just about every defensive play in the game
:lol didn't actually watch the videos
:lol prefers 5 minute heavily edited highlight videos and calls it tape

Are you stupid? Football was on TV practically every week so I don't need to rely on 'heavily edited' videos to form an opinion on him. For Mack I'm not questioning the validity of the tapes you posted, I'm questioning the fact that that site has seven games total from his junior and senior year--most of which are against MAC competition. Yet here you are actually acting like you were able to come to the conclusion on your own that he will be a star from those seven videos. :lol

[FkLA]

:cry but i saw his tape vs Ohio State, he really stood out :cry

[spurraider21]

Are you stupid? Football was on TV practically every week so I don't need to rely on 'heavily edited' videos to form an opinion on him. For Mack I'm not questioning the validity of the tapes you posted, I'm questioning the fact that that site has seven games total from his junior and senior year--most of which are against MAC competition. Yet here you are actually acting like you were able to come to the conclusion on your own that he will be a star from those seven videos. :lol
draftbreakdown.com is just one source, but its the easiest to use. you can find all sorts of footage on players if you look hard enough. don't say "i'm not questioning the validity of the tapes you posted" when you earlier lol'ed at them for being "4 minute youtube clips"

[FkLA]

Seven games total, with one of them being from 2012. Mostly MAC competition. Yeah, I can see how you guys can develop an expert opinion on the guy from that. You niggas are bandwagoning the media quit acting like you have enough tape to evaluate the guy as a surefire star. :lol

^One of my first posts on the subject, before you started resorting to the lol response. Let's just conveniently ignore that though.

[spurraider21]

^One of my first posts on the subject, before you started resorting to the lol response. Let's just conveniently ignore that though.
i posted one link that had several videos... you've posted one highlight video. lets just conveniently ignore that though

[FkLA]

i posted one link that had several videos... you've posted one highlight video. lets just conveniently ignore that though

:lol What does Football have to do with this anyway? We definitely should ignore that highlight vid and anything related to him for simplicity purposes, since you are all over the place and can't focus on the subject at hand.

[spurraider21]

:lol What does Football have to do with this anyway? We definitely should ignore that highlight vid and anything related to him for simplicity purposes, since you are all over the place and can't focus on the subject at hand.
you keep changing the topic as you get destroyed :lol

[FkLA]

Actually my post was about Mack (and guys that play for smaller schools in general). Youre the one that brought Football into it, destroyer.

[spurraider21]

there's a reason why nobody here takes you seriously but yourself

[FkLA]

Hey, let's stray away from the topic even more and go from talking about Mack to talking about FkLA. Why the hell not. :lol

[Spur-Addict]

:lol What does Football have to do with this anyway? We definitely should ignore that highlight vid and anything related to him for simplicity purposes, since you are all over the place and can't focus on the subject at hand.

:lmao This guy is a high functioning retard

2GVSv6_91vA

[Chinook]

There's not much of a topic to discuss. You for some reason believe that watching the commercials, replays, booth shots and snaps from the opposing defenses yields a better understand of a player's production than watching only his plays with all that other stuff cut out. You don't understand the difference between game tape and highlight reels, between agreeing with scouting reports and getting caught up in college hype. You haven't made one productive argument against Mack other than criticizing everyone else's knowledge of small-school prospects, while repping your small-school background but not giving a scouting report yourself. :lol And you have gall to be upset about folks going ad hominem and straying off topic?

[djohn2oo8]

With the way FKLA is getting shit on, it's lookin like 2 girls 1 cup in here.

[spurraider21]

Hey, let's stray away from the topic even more and go from talking about Mack to talking about FkLA. Why the hell not. :lol
were you even talking about Mack? the extent of your Mack talk was "lol 4 minute youtube videos"

[FkLA]

There's not much of a topic to discuss. You for some reason believe that watching the commercials, replays, booth shots and snaps from the opposing defenses yields a better understand of a player's production than watching only his plays with all that other stuff cut out. You don't understand the difference between game tape and highlight reels, between agreeing with scouting reports and getting caught up in college hype. You haven't made one productive argument against Mack other than criticizing everyone else's knowledge of small-school prospects, while repping your small-school background but not giving a scouting report yourself. :lol And you have gall to be upset about folks going ad hominem and straying off topic?

Who's criticizing Mack or small schools? I'm not saying anyone is right/wrong about him. I'm simply laughing at armchair GMs like you who wanna stand there and act like watching tape from a grand total of seven games, against mostly subpar competition (with some as short as 4 minutes) is enough for you to evaluate this dude as a surefire star. I'm telling you to sit your ass down because that's nowhere near enough. You are just bandwagoning the media's take on the dude--regardless of whether they are right or not.

Also noone is questioning the validity of the tapes or saying one actual game>one tape from that same game. Both of you were trying to question my evaluation of Football which was supposedly based on highlights, so I brought up actual games...~20 actual games of Football I watched>7 games tapes. Why do I always end up having to explain simple stuff like this for you retards?

[FkLA]

were you even talking about Mack? the extent of your Mack talk was "lol 4 minute youtube videos"

Jesus you are a little bitch. Talking about Mack as in niggas acting like they know so much about him even though he didn't get much exposure in Buffalo.

As far my personal evaluation of his ability goes, I already said I don't have one since I havent watched enough of him. I'm sure he'll be good though.

[Chinook]

Who's criticizing Mack or small schools? I'm not saying anyone is right/wrong about him. I'm simply laughing at armchair GMs like you who wanna stand there and act like watching tape from a grand total of seven games, against mostly subpar competition (with some as short as 4 minutes) is enough for you to evaluate this dude as a surefire star. I'm telling you to sit your ass down because that's nowhere near enough. You are just bandwagoning the media's take on the dude--regardless of whether they are right or not.

Also noone is questioning the validity of the tapes or saying one actual game>one tape from that same game. Both of you were trying to question my evaluation of Football which was supposedly based on highlights, so I brought up actual games...~20 actual games of Football I watched>7 games tapes. Why do I always end up having to explain simple stuff like this for you retards?

Your take is awful, abysmal, even for the standards you've established in this thread. No one is criticizing small schools. It was you who were criticizing everyone else's knowledge of them, like the fact that you went to UTSA made you a guru on Buffalo. You also just keep failing to grasp that if you cut out all of the fluff from a football broadcast, you'd only get a few minutes of actual footage. That's why game tape is so short. They're not just equal to watching the game; they're better because they cut out all the hype the commentators are giving and isolate the performance from the moment.

Twenty actual games, and you still think Manziel's passing game is NFL-caliber. You then tried to establish that by showing only his best plays -- and even those show his obvious limitations. Your entire evaluation of Manziel is inextricably tied to the fluff of the games. You think that the fact that he beat Alabama on a recovered-fumble miracle touchdown somehow translates into NFL production. It doesn't, and that's why you are a victim of hype. If you had any idea about how to evaluate a player, you wouldn't have posted that awful highlight video.

Anyways, I haven't even said I care about Mack at all. I only saw him at the combine and on that video spurraider posted. I could care less about players the Ravens haven't picked, and especially those they will never have a chance to pick. I only evaluate players after the Ravens pick them. There are obvious exceptions, like Manziel, whom I watched as much as you did. I am no scout in any sense of the word, but I did look at him, which is more than I can say for whomever the Ravens draft outside of possibly Evans. I am not arguing for Mack, or Clowney, or Watkins or whomever. I am merely pointing out how you are grasping at straws trying to legitimize your Manziel fandom at all costs. You picked arguments with people in a much stronger debate position than you (I'm talking about Mack supporters, not myself), and now you can't even seem to understand why you're losing ground on every post.

[spurraider21]

i also rarely evaluate players before the raiders draft him, but i read up on multiple scouting reports from different sources to get a consensus view on most players. there are exceptions, and this year i've watched a lot of mack, clowney, watkins, donald and a lot of the big name qb's, including the later round guys like Garappolo, Mettenberger, Carr, Savage. this is the first year i've actually tried to get a read on a lot of the big names outside of scouting reports/highlight videos

the first time i actually in depth looked into a player before the draft was actually Miles Burris, who was a mid-round prospect a few years ago. somebody on a raider forum was talking him up so i looked into him. i was enamored by his game film, and it just so happened the Raiders ended up drafting him in the 4th round :lol.

[djohn2oo8]

lol FKLA

[FkLA]

:lol Where do I start? I can't do much if you refuse to read and/or make ridiculous assumptions.


Your take is awful, abysmal, even for the standards you've established in this thread. No one is criticizing small schools. It was you who were criticizing everyone else's knowledge of them, like the fact that you went to UTSA made you a guru on Buffalo. You also just keep failing to grasp that if you cut out all of the fluff from a football broadcast, you'd only get a few minutes of actual footage. That's why game tape is so short. They're not just equal to watching the game; they're better because they cut out all the hype the commentators are giving and isolate the performance from the moment.


Not saying he won't be a stud, I actually don't have an opinion on the dude since I haven't really watched much of his games or tapes

^How does this lead you to conclude that I think I'm a guru on Buffalo? :lol


Also noone is questioning the validity of the tapes or saying one actual game>one tape from that same game.

^How does this lead you to conclude that I think an actual game is somehow better than tape. Especially when I went on to explain why I even brought up actual games in that same post.


Twenty actual games, and you still think Manziel's passing game is NFL-caliber. You then tried to establish that by showing only his best plays -- and even those show his obvious limitations. Your entire evaluation of Manziel is inextricably tied to the fluff of the games. You think that the fact that he beat Alabama on a recovered-fumble miracle touchdown somehow translates into NFL production. It doesn't, and that's why you are a victim of hype. If you had any idea about how to evaluate a player, you wouldn't have posted that awful highlight video.

Yeah, you can't really claim a W on this until Football actually fails. :lol

Pretty sure my posts (some that even included conversations directly with you) suggest I think Football can succeed in the NFL for reasons other than just flash. But again I can't do much about it if you conveniently choose to ignore those parts of my posts.


Anyways, I haven't even said I care about Mack at all. I only saw him at the combine and on that video spurraider posted. I could care less about players the Ravens haven't picked, and especially those they will never have a chance to pick. I only evaluate players after the Ravens pick them. There are obvious exceptions, like Manziel, whom I watched as much as you did. I am no scout in any sense of the word, but I did look at him, which is more than I can say for whomever the Ravens draft outside of possibly Evans. I am not arguing for Mack, or Clowney, or Watkins or whomever. I am merely pointing out how you are grasping at straws trying to legitimize your Manziel fandom at all costs. You picked arguments with people in a much stronger debate position than you (I'm talking about Mack supporters, not myself), and now you can't even seem to understand why you're losing ground on every post.

Who said my original comment had anything to do with Football? Yall are the ones that brought him up. That's another retarded assumption which again is not my fault. As far as the 'argument', I simply laughed at their regurgitated take on Mack, so as far as I'm concerned there really is no argument there. He is indeed from a small school that didn't get much exposure. Tape from six games is indeed a small amount to evaluate a guy, especially to go as far as calling him a sure thing. So where's the argument? I made a similar comment about Bortles earlier in the thread too fwiw.

[FkLA]

:rollin What a fucking idiot


facepalm


Literally every single point FkLA is trying to make is wrong :lmao


lol FKLA

So much asshurt. :lol

[Chinook]

You're a slippery snake, aren't you? Or at least you like to believe yourself one.


^How does this lead you to conclude that I think I'm a guru on Buffalo? :lol


I have no problem with those schools, retard. Probably watch more non-P5 college football than anyone here which is kinda the point.

Acting like watching UTSA means anything. Mack has been a top prospect all season. Of course people are going to watch him. I went to a D1AA school, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about teams in our own conference outside of records. I wouldn't try to act like other folks couldn't know about players in FCS just because I didn't.


^How does this lead you to conclude that I think an actual game is somehow better than tape. Especially when I went on to explain why I even brought up actual games in that same post.

Of course you are. You wouldn't have gone on that idiotic crusade about the length of the videos. Each video covered an entire game. The length doesn't matter.


Yeah, you can't really claim a W on this until Football actually fails. :lol

Pretty sure my posts (some that even included conversations directly with you) suggest I think Football can succeed in the NFL for reasons other than just flash. But again I can't do much about it if you conveniently choose to ignore those parts of my posts.

Let me reiterate that I have no idea if Manziel will actually fail or not. I don't claim to know the future. No one has beef with you for believing him Manziel ... well, at least I don't. What I and others take issue with is your campaign for him that's based on trashing other players or at least trying to bring up propaganda for Manziel or against other potential top picks. You're main arguments for Manziel were based on pseudo-scouting backed up by YouTube highlights. You use certain things like stats and winning for Manziel, but when counter-examples are shown, you act like they are horrible comparisons because of some other stat. Then people bring up that counter-examples to that other stat, and you try to slide out of that with something else. We all went through that, so don't act like that's not what happened.


Who said my original comment had anything to do with Football? Yall are the ones that brought him up. That's another retarded assumption which again is not my fault. As far as the 'argument', I simply laughed at their regurgitated take on Mack, so as far as I'm concerned there really is no argument there. He is indeed from a small school that didn't get much exposure. Tape from six games is indeed a small amount to evaluate a guy, especially to go as far as calling him a sure thing. So where's the argument? I made a similar comment about Bortles earlier in the thread too fwiw.

You're biggest problem is that you for some reason fancy yourself smarter than everyone else. You think that we don't know what you've been doing throughout this whole thread. You rep Manziel and try to trash folks' support of other players. First, it was Bridgewater. Then it was Bortles. Then it was Clowney. Now it's Mack. Manziel is your guy; we get it. For the most part, nobody cares about that. But you are constantly getting into debates or pissing matches without bringing anything to the table to support your side. The whole, "No one knows for sure if they'll be a star", take isn't an argument. It's not like Manziel becomes a smarter pick for the Texans just because it's possible the other players bust.

[FkLA]

You're a slippery snake, aren't you? Or at least you like to believe yourself one.

Acting like watching UTSA means anything. Mack has been a top prospect all season. Of course people are going to watch him. I went to a D1AA school, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about teams in our own conference outside of records. I wouldn't try to act like other folks couldn't know about players in FCS just because I didn't.

Jesus. That was in response to CN making a post suggesting I had a problem with small schools. I said I watch a lot of non-P5 football (not only UTSA), not to suggest that I'm a 'guru on Buffalo' but rather to show that I don't have a problem with them at all. Also you'd have trouble following the MAC even if you tried.


Of course you are. You wouldn't have gone on that idiotic crusade about the length of the videos. Each video covered an entire game. The length doesn't matter.

If there's anything I've been consistently bringing up it's the amount of games and the competition, not the video length. But let's just ignore that of course. Pretty sure that Baylor game isn't an entire game either. I only clicked on that one and the Ohio State game, not sure about the others.


Let me reiterate that I have no idea if Manziel will actually fail or not. I don't claim to know the future. No one has beef with you for believing him Manziel ... well, at least I don't. What I and others take issue with is your campaign for him that's based on trashing other players or at least trying to bring up propaganda for Manziel or against other potential top picks. You're main arguments for Manziel were based on pseudo-scouting backed up by YouTube highlights. You use certain things like stats and winning for Manziel, but when counter-examples are shown, you act like they are horrible comparisons because of some other stat. Then people bring up that counter-examples to that other stat, and you try to slide out of that with something else. We all went through that, so don't act like that's not what happened.

Dude, get out of here with that. I call your takes stupid because comparing Manziel to Vince Young because they the hype surrounding them coming out of college was similar happens to actually be pretty damn stupid. Their hype was similar so let's ignore the fact that Manziel is a much more polished passer without shitty mechanics like Vince, really?


You're biggest problem is that you for some reason fancy yourself smarter than everyone else. You think that we don't know what you've been doing throughout this whole thread. You rep Manziel and try to trash folks' support of other players. First, it was Bridgewater. Then it was Bortles. Then it was Clowney. Now it's Mack. Manziel is your guy; we get it. For the most part, nobody cares about that. But you are constantly getting into debates or pissing matches without bringing anything to the table to support your side. The whole, "No one knows for sure if they'll be a star", take isn't an argument. It's not like Manziel becomes a smarter pick for the Texans just because it's possible the other players bust.

I don't fancy myself smarter than everyone. I mean I'm smarter than a guy like benefactor but so are the rest of us tbh.

And again this had nothing to do with Football. I didn't bring him up and I didn't laugh at Mack or his ability, I laughed at the fact that these niggas were acting like experts on a dude they've seen a limited amount of.

[Clipper Nation]

Chinook eviscerating FkLA :wow

[djohn2oo8]

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/05/06/texans-mini-camp-culture-shock/

[benefactor]

Good stuff.:tu

Ready to get all this draft bullshit behind us and get ready for the season.

[benefactor]

Our defensive line will be the eater of worlds. Welcome, Mr. Clowney.

[djohn2oo8]

http://college2pro.com/articlePics/Clowney%20Watt%20YD.jpg