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Uriel
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Horrible, horrible start. The Heat clearly don't want their season to send. The Spurs meanwhile are missing shots they normally make.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Miami's got 3 players pressuring the ball. FFS, Spurs, somebody's got to be open.
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Is anyone really surprised with tony going dribble dribble dribble???
RuffnReadyOzStyle
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
fuck this Spurs team
Leave then, and don't come back.
Miami were always going to come out fast. We will find our feet.
Southwest Texas Fan
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
First ever time in the Finals we will lose a 3-1 lead and become a joke of the whole NBA.
Are you serious?
bbarry
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Parker dribbling for more than half the shot clock is nothing new. Where have you been?
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Not cliff jumping. Just disappointed in the start.
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Silver showing his true colors early.
Horse
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Just a little nerves Miami is still taking long jumpers better this happens early. Timmy will never get that call it's pretty fucked up.
Hemotivo
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Nice, Manu in
BanditHiro
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
The Spurs lost their championship DNA...
BillMc
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Give em time. They'll adjust.
Emperor
06-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Bout damn time we get a call.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
There you fucking go.
Crookshanks
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
lol that's some quick cliff jumping
Geez, gotta be a record - 3.5 minutes in and people are already jumping ship and giving the game to the Heat. Do us all a favor, leave now and don't come back when the Spurs start winning.
RuffnReadyOzStyle
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
So many fucking cliff-jumpers who lose their balls the moment we are even challenged. Fucking morons. I'm outta here. :pctoss
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
Are you serious?
If we don't win tonight... it will happen.
The Heat are playing excellent defense.
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
Fuck. Can't hit a fucking bucket.
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
lead us home TD
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
There's no margin of error against Miami. That should be the lesson from last year. You fuck around, you get burned.
BatManu20
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
Spurs playing scared. Makes no sense
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
FFS
SanAntonioSpurs23
06-15-2014, 07:20 PM
Damn ugly start
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
Rofl. Wow. Just wow.
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
lol beta team
Fuck this
It's still early but some real abortion ball
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
More BS. Awesome.
BanditHiro
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
i told you guys LeBron is going for 45 with near perfect shooting
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
Miami winding up the knockout punch in the 1st quarter.
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
Good God, you're stupid.
Watch it happen...
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
Thank you Kawhi tbh.
Hemotivo
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
MVP for 3!
007nites
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
Thank you kawhi
Blizzardwizard
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
The absolute worst thing is that you could predict this start happening.
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
Needed that.
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:21 PM
good job KL...need that aggression
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
:lmao refs
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
Kawhi can make something.
SanAntonioSpurs23
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
There ya go Leonard!
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
Here come the refs, tbh.
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
The nba has to be scripted.
spursparker9
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
refs !!!
Emperor
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
Another bullshit call!
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:22 PM
It took them almost 5 fucking minutes to score? I'd say the cliff jumpers are on point.
Fucking embarrassing to make a call like that when the heat are herringbone away with the same shit
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
Mother fucker.
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
Leonard frustrated. He's getting hacked
Southwest Texas Fan
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
If we don't win tonight... it will happen.
The Heat are playing excellent defense.
I guess you didn't watch games 3 and 4.
So Ray Allen is gonna get away with holding all game long
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
PASS THE FUCKING BALL PARKER YOU POS
Texas_Ranger
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
well that was a good game
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
parker is fucking killing us
SanAntonioSpurs23
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
Fuck!
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:23 PM
The refs couldn't more obvious.
Darius Bieber
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
Game over tbh
Blizzardwizard
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
There's no point in the guys being out there if this game is being blatantly rigged.
Wow really? That's a foul? Fuck the nba
Hemotivo
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
where's the foul?
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
About to turn this shit off.
BanditHiro
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
gameover refs taking over and Spurs being bitches
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
Wow. Fuck the NBA.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
Wow...we're gonna get run out of the fucking gym.
This has the makings of a classic choke.
spursparker9
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
fucking refs
PingPong
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
Take all the starters out and put the second unit.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
Pop throwing in the towel early?
r0drig0lac
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
miami wanting more, missing open shots...
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:24 PM
Wow...we're gonna get run out of the fucking gym.
This has the makings of a classic choke.
:lmao Classic... false hopes. Classic Spurs.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Classic Spurs choke...really.
PingPong
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Take all the starters out and put the second unit.
Lol. Splitter, Mills in.
ElNono
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
can't make a basket
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Spurs. Smh.
01Snake
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
LeBron should have 2 clear fouls already
ffadicted
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Gotta stabilize here before the quarter is over
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Parker killed the starting unit. Ballhogging piece of shit.
DatBoyGood
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Is Manu going to wake up?
spursparker9
06-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Manu is quietly the heat mvp today
Hemotivo
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
well, this lineup...
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
Good lord. 5.25 left in the quarter, and we've got 1 FUCKING BASKET?
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
sigh
SpursRulez4eVeR
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
Calm down spurs cmon
BatManu20
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
:lol all the fans that were claiming this series is over. Some people never learn tbh
Johnny RIngo
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
Pop throwing in the towel early?
lol if Pop pulls this shit in a Finals game
SanAntonioSpurs23
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
Bonner....
007nites
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
Not being aggressive enough. Have to match their aggression.
Does this team have any balls?
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
Parker killed the starting unit. Ballhogging piece of shit.He always does that shit, why is anyone still surprised?
Floyd Pacquiao
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
This reminds me of game 1 of the 05 finals
therealtruth
06-15-2014, 07:26 PM
The Spurs just need to hang around. They're using up all their energy now.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:27 PM
Game over. Shit, that's a knockout punch.
ElNono
06-15-2014, 07:27 PM
Manuuuuu
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:27 PM
manu playing the savior
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:27 PM
I'm shocked it wasn't offensive.
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:27 PM
Matt "Mr. Positive" Bonner is in already. :lol
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:27 PM
Game over.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
Battier retired you fucking piece of shit.
Fucking Battier piece of shit
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
FTH and refs.
Johnny RIngo
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
Parker killed the starting unit. Ballhogging piece of shit.
Maybe Parker will check himself out at halftime like in the Portland/OKC series. SA might have a shot then
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
Manu is the only player that cares...
BanditHiro
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
wake the fuck up Spurs.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
Thank you Manu.
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
Fuck you battier
007nites
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
Manuuuu
Crookshanks
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
These refs are killing us right from the start. Even these Heat loving announcers admitted there wasn't any contact on a few of these bs calls. After the beautiful play of games 3 and 4, I can't believe the Spurs are playing like crap AT HOME!
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:28 PM
Manu!!
bryants2hot2handle
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
GINOBILI
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Damn, don't piss off Gino.
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Manu pissed.
ffadicted
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Manu mad
Manu always has great game 5
SanAntonioSpurs23
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Manu!!!!!
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Manu, with championship caliber effort
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Based god Manu...
SanDiegoSpursFan
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Spurs just gotta match the Heat right now. They're not rolling over but I doubt they can keep up with the Spurs if the Spurs are firing on all cylinders.
spursparker9
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Mad Manu !
Darius Bieber
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Pussy ass Battier, only draws charges and shoots threes.
Hemotivo
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
Does this team have any balls?
Manu
ElNono
06-15-2014, 07:29 PM
FMVP Manu
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Wake the fuck up, Spurs!
Uriel
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Manu doesn't want to lose this game.
therealtruth
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Spot them and just take their will away.
NASpurs
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Ride Manu. Nigga is pissed.
KaiRMD1
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Fuckin battier, we need to retire his ass and add his name top the list where Derek fisher's name resides
DatBoyGood
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
FTH
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
3 for 14.
Way to let Miami back in this series.
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Weather the shit storm and play through the refs.
Come on Spurs!!
:flag:
Shastafarian
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
As usual the refs are terrible on both ends :lol
TampaDude
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
:lol all the fans that were claiming this series is over. Some people never learn tbh
Yup...I've been trying to tell y'all...Miami is gonna make history. If y'all didn't see this coming, you're fools.
Sure, you can say Duncan deserves that 5th ring with all the hard work he's done, but deserve's got nothing to do with it. Life sucks, get a fucking helmet.
LeBron was quietly confident because he KNOWS Miami is going to win it all again. Down 3-1 means nothing. The Spurs are going to get BLOWN FUCKING OUT three times in a row.
I'm going to the store to buy my LeBron jersey tomorrow before they sell out.
Rofl I remember posters here saying they didn't hate Battier. Are you fucking kidding me? He's a piece of shit situational scrub player that's dirty as fuck
florige
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Still first qtr guys simmer down. I totally expected this. Just curious now how we respond.
mclinejr
06-15-2014, 07:30 PM
The Heat are just blowing their loud early.
Emperor
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Manu ain't no bitch!
ManuGinobiliArg
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Manuuuuuu!!!! GOOOOO!!!!!
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
And trade TP. Dude is a fucking choker.
BillMc
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Storm has been weathered. We'll lead by the 3rd quarter and never relinquish it.
spursparker9
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Rofl I remember posters here saying they didn't hate Battier. Are you fucking kidding me? He's a piece of shit situational scrub player that's dirty as fuck
BatManu20
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
We're not playing with any energy or passion. Someone needs to remind them that we could potentially win a championship tonight..
BanditHiro
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
if the Spurs cut the lead to 5 they have a chance if not than prepare for game 7
ImDaNuts
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Lots of time left. Lebrons scrub teammates will cool off.
spurastic
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Heat will slow down....Spurs will maintain within range and then win. Believe!
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Yup...I've been trying to tell y'all...Miami is gonna make history. If y'all didn't see this coming, you're fools.
Sure, you can say Duncan deserves that 5th ring with all the hard work he's done, but deserve's got nothing to do with it. Life sucks, get a fucking helmet.
LeBron was quietly confident because he KNOWS Miami is going to win it all again. Down 3-1 means nothing. The Spurs are going to get BLOWN FUCKING OUT three times in a row.
I'm going to the store to buy my LeBron jersey tomorrow before they sell out.
If we don't win game 5, you are absolutely right.
Ice009
06-15-2014, 07:31 PM
Gotta play every minute of this game like it's a game 7. I have no idea why the Spurs came out so weak without much energy. Gotta play all out 100% of the game.
Perry Mason
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
Just sat down. What is Miami doing differently if at all? Just playing harder? Seems like Lebron already looked winded.
ducks
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
winning this game is going to be sweeter after bad start
Crookshanks
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
I guess we could've expected a poor shooting night at some point, but I was hoping the Spurs would be just as awesome tonight as they were in games 3 and 4. I still believe, but geez, they need to get rolling and stop with this tentative play and holding the ball.
DatBoyGood
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
Just want this team to play angry and the way they played the last couple games.
ffadicted
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
Just sat down. What is Miami doing differently if at all? Just playing harder? Seems like Lebron already looked winded.
Playing much harder than us, and we're also missing shots we usually make
florige
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
Diaw HAS to start shooting the ball Sheeesh
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
This game is over if it's still a 10+ lead by halftime.
Ice009
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
If we don't win game 5, you are absolutely right.
you guys are straight up pussies. I have no idea if you're trolling or what, but I hope you're not this big of a loser in real life.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:32 PM
LeBron was quietly confident because he KNOWS Miami is going to win it all again. Down 3-1 means nothing. The Spurs are going to get BLOWN FUCKING OUT three times in a row.
I hope that's a troll post. But deep down, Spurs fans should know that, after last year, if any team were to lose a 3-1 lead, it would be the Duncan era Spurs.
These are the stakes.
sammy
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
Beast Manu going to be unleashed now! Bat tier bitch pissed him off w/ cheap shot Manu going to go off!
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
KAWHI BABY
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
KAWHIIII
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
Leonard !!
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
When did Ray Allen become Kevin Durant in the eyes of the refs? Bullshit
biskvito
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
Miami will crack
Crookshanks
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
you guys are straight up pussies. I have no idea if you're trolling or what, but I hope you're not this big of a loser in real life.
You got that right. I don't know why those people are even watching the game.
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:33 PM
Kawhi and Manu putting the teams on their backs.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
Damn...
TampaDude
06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
Still first qtr guys simmer down. I totally expected this. Just curious now how we respond.
Yeah, I hope Miami has shot their wad early. Big early leads usually don't hold up. Still, the Heat look like the better team out there right now.
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
Howabout we try going inside?
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
Gotta hit those Mills.
Fuck Bonner.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
PATTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY I LOVE YOU
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
Mills
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
Finally Mills!
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
Lucky bounce!
The Reckoning
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
matt bonner finals mvp
OrEmuN
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
4 points game !
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
Will Lebron ever comeback down to earth?Faggot
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
Lebron will get his. Just make it harder for him
01Snake
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
LeBron with the joke shot
spursparker9
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
Fcuking James still in God Mode?
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
LBJ in legend mode.
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
LeBron is no fluke on those crazy threes...
BanditHiro
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
so fucking ridiculous.
ace3g
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o170/ancestron/686992951460b86c0a008e.gif
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:35 PM
Fucking James...
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
R:lolfs
ffadicted
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
these are some weak ass fouls
Sean Cagney
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
James of course from way downtown hits a three out there just when we cut it down. Good lord he needs to cool off.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
Spurs in trouble.
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
Of course Mills is missing tonight.
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
What did they call?
We gotta start just going to the basket
ElNono
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
lol there's the foul trouble on Gino
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
Rofl refs
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
Lebron getting the Durant treatment.
sammy
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
Fuck refs! No way that a foul on Manu!
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
No replays, the fix is in :lol
Crookshanks
06-15-2014, 07:37 PM
Spurs are getting some good shots, but unlike games 3 and 4, they're not falling tonight. They just have to keep moving the ball and shooting, and hopefully, the Heat will cool off and the Spurs shots will start falling.
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:37 PM
Lebron going for sixty, damn.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:37 PM
I feel like the series has changed.
PingPong
06-15-2014, 07:37 PM
Uh-oh... here comes Parker again.
KaiRMD1
06-15-2014, 07:37 PM
Fuck it, 8 on 5 tonight, we can do it
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:37 PM
No replays, the fix is in :lolSeriously, what the fuck??
007nites
06-15-2014, 07:37 PM
Splitter
TampaDude
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
LeBron is a fucking GOD when his back's against the wall. Can he do this for three straight games? I'm thinking he can.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
Parker...
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
I hate the fucking heat and their cocksucker fans
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
Goddamn Parker
BanditHiro
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
Parker is a faggot.
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
Parker is being a ballhog.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
They cant buy a fucking shot...
Crookshanks
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
Geez, these point blank shots are not falling. Sooooooooooooo frustrating, especially when Lebron hits a lucky 3 with the shot clock running down.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
This sucks.
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:38 PM
Parker shitting the bed early. Green too.
ImDaNuts
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
Cole bailed out there
RD2191
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
Wtf fuck the nba
DatBoyGood
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
refs :lol
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
R:lolfs :lmao
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
F these refs. :lol
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
Series over...
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
WHAT THE FUCK? It was a travel and a clean block?!!!!!! Wow.
Texas_Ranger
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
hahaha refs.
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
complete and utter horseshit...clear travel
SanDiegoSpursFan
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
Parker trying too hard, he's gotta cool off
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
THE FIX IS IN
01Snake
06-15-2014, 07:39 PM
Officiating is worst EVER
Wow. Fuck the NBA. Fucking joke ass fucking league.
sammy
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
Bitch travels & we are getting fucked by refs!
SpursRulez4eVeR
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
Wow ref
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
Spurs absolutely CANNOT allow a game 6, but it looks inevitable at this point.
Crookshanks
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
Damn, could these refs be any more blatant? Guess the league doesn't want this series to end tonight.
Why did Kawhi shoot with 5seconds left...
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
Make your fts Leonard.
SupremeGuy
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
I can't tell what's worse: parker ballhogging and killing our offense or the refs calling bullshit
ElNono
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
keep it close, we'll make a run...
Spurs21Fan4Ever
06-15-2014, 07:40 PM
This is so shocking, Silver doesn't even bother to hide his corrupt nature.
loveforthegame
06-15-2014, 07:41 PM
Chanting MVP for Leonard??
Chanting MVP for Leonard??
Why not
dg7md
06-15-2014, 07:41 PM
What an awful quarter. We need something other than failed three balls.
Capt Bringdown
06-15-2014, 07:41 PM
This is so shocking, Silver doesn't even bother to hide his corrupt nature.
Ahh, come on. Spurs came out timid, and they're paying the price.
100%duncan
06-15-2014, 07:41 PM
Those mvp chants. Game me chills. Time for our new star to take us home tbh.
Juggity
06-15-2014, 07:41 PM
Hopefully james is tiring himself out.
ElNono
06-15-2014, 07:41 PM
7 point game after missing a lot of shots... we're in good shape
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