Game Thread: Spurs vs. Sixers Utah Summer League (6:00 CST)

[ace3g]

LJC with another blk

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans = JJ Redick

[TimDuncanDonuts]

LJC made him pay for being so relaxed.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Bertans with the buttery stroke. He'll be a nice upgrade from Bonner next year.

Except Bertans is a guard.

[Darkwaters]

Lallane and bertans
anderson already on the team

Probably LJC too honestly.

[Silver&Black]

Got the lead....

My niggas.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Casper Ware is annoying, tbh.

[Raven]

damn LJC is scary good on D

[BillMc]

Sign Bertans now!!! Do it now!!!!!

Can the other Bertanses shoot like that?

His brother was supposed to be a better athlete at least before the injury.

[TheGreatYacht]

Really have to give it to Tony... Giving us Bobo and LJC

:cry eye for talent :cry

[manufan10]

If LJC can spend some time with Chip... :wow

[BatManu20]

Kyle Anderson was a better shooter than this in college. Don't think this is a good indication of his ability. Just a bad showing imo.

[look_at_g_shred]

I think LJC is more of a need on the team than lalanne tbh

[heyheymymy]

Bertans has a wet 3 pt shot nice

[ElNono]

Bertrans is ready... Anderson and Cady would work to round up the roster... LJC too, with Bonner's spot

[Rito3d30]

LJC's defensive talent is high

[Silver&Black]

:lol "They would have made the Playoffs in the East"

[ace3g]

pos
min
fgm-a
3pm-a
ftm-a
+/-
off
def
tot
ast
pf
st
to
bs
ba
pts


http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/images/livestats/arrow.gif L. Jean-Charles (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_livio_jean-charles/index.html)
F
22:08
2-10
0-0
0-0
+18
3
4
7
2
3
1
1
5
2
4


http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/images/livestats/arrow.gif K. Anderson (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_kyle_anderson/index.html)
F
25:49
2-9
0-1
4-6
+8
1
8
9
2
1
1
2
1
1
8


http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/images/livestats/arrow.gif C. Lalanne (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_cady_lalanne/index.html)
C
25:26
5-14
0-3
2-3
+5
0
4
4
1
8
1
3
2
0
12


http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/images/livestats/arrow.gif C. Ware (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_casper_ware/index.html)
G
21:12
4-10
2-5
2-2
+22
0
6
6
3
1
1
3
0
1
12


http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/images/livestats/arrow.gif D. Bertans (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_dairis_bertans/index.html)
G
24:28
6-9
5-7
1-1
+23
0
2
2
2
4
1
1
0
0
18


R. Smith (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_roscoe_smith/index.html)

16:50
2-6
0-0
1-3
-15
0
6
6
0
2
0
2
1
1
5


T. Graham (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_treveon_graham/index.html)

13:06
2-2
0-0
0-0
-11
1
4
5
3
3
1
0
0
0
4


S. Nastic (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_stefan_nastic/index.html)

13:40
1-2
0-0
1-2
0
0
1
1
0
2
1
3
1
0
3


W. Cherry (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_will_cherry/index.html)

10:59
1-2
0-1
0-0
-19
0
0
0
2
3
1
2
0
0
2


D. Atkins (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_darion_atkins/index.html)

03:22
0-2
0-0
0-0
-4
0
1
1
0
2
0
0
0
0
0


M. Denmon (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_marcus_denmon/index.html)

13:24
0-3
0-1
0-0
-24
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
1
0


W. Blackshear (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_wayne_blackshear/index.html)

04:26
0-2
0-1
3-4
+12
1
0
1
2
1
0
0
1
0
3


R. Manuel (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_ryan_manuel/index.html)

00:00
0
0
0-0
-
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0


S. Scott (http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_shannon_scott/index.html)

00:00
0
0
0-0
-
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0


Total

200
25-71
7-19
14-21

6
37
43
17
31
8
18
11
6
7

[SpurPadre]

Bertans ain't no De Culo, I'll tell you that! :wow

LOL, that dude isn't even in the league anymore.

[Thompson]

And LJC's defense is incredible. If he could develop offensively...my God. So get Chip to help him develop the corner 3 = Bruce Bowen 2.0?

[TXstbobcat]

Nice!!!!!!!!

[TimDuncanDonuts]

Wow that was just beautiful.

[ace3g]

LJC!!!

[tholdren]

damn LJC is scary good on D
too bad its summer league, and he blows on offense

[RD2191]

that was nice

[manufan10]

:wow that sequence!!!

[Shipupi]

DAAMN

[TheGreatYacht]

LIVIO OMFG

THANK YOU PARKER WE LOVE YOU

[TimDuncanDonuts]

LJC is someone I want to see on the roster

[spursparker9]

Wow LJC defensive power

[cd98]

LJC with two plays of the game.

[BillMc]

Anderson is like the 4th most impressive guy on our summer league team.

[Maddog]

damn LJC is scary good on D

scary on O also but in a different way

[ElNono]

LJC looks like mini Ben Wallace right now

[ceperez]

LJC is a scary defender.... if that's all he does... he should be in the team.

[benefactor]

LJC's shot can be fixed. Bring him in. Dude is a legit NBA defender.

[Spurs Brazil]

Great play LJC

[cd98]

LJC has athleticism to play in the NBA. Just needs a jumper.

[BatManu20]

Except Bertans is a guard.

He's a 6'10 SF..

[benstanfield]

:lobt2:

[manufan10]

Who forced Okafor out?

[ElNono]

lol Okashit, get used to the Ls...

[Robz4000]

Bring aboard Bertans, Lalanne, and LJC and call it an offseason.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He's a 6'10 SF..

It's not Davis, it's Dairis...

[BillMc]

He's a 6'10 SF..

Different Bertans. This is his brother.

[cd98]

LJC feasting on blocks tonight.

[kjhip1]

Slap hands slap hands

[Maddog]

He's a 6'10 SF..

the Bertans in Europe this is is older smaller brother

[benefactor]

He's a 6'10 SF..
Wrong Bertans. That's his brother.

[benefactor]

He's a 6'10 SF..
Wrong Bertans. That's his brother.

[Darkwaters]

Bertans with the buttery stroke. He'll be a nice upgrade from Bonner next year.

Ummm.....no.

We probably need to move Tony to Center first....

[palangi]

I've liked what I have seen from Blackshear and Graham

[tim_duncan_fan]

Bring aboard Bertans, Lalanne, and LJC and call it an offseason.

They do look pretty good. Can we afford to add two more bigs?

If you had to choose, Lalanne or LJC?

[RD2191]

How many blocks does LJC have?

[tholdren]

LJC's shot can be fixed. Bring him in. Dude is a legit NBA defender.
I don't know if it can be "fixed." Spurs have a scoring problem. I get it for some wingstop rest, but our scorers are Manu and Tony....

[raybies]

That's LJC's game. Stellar d mixed with putbacks and transition play. If he can hit with any kind of range, my gosh. But I like what I've seen so far. How has this guy not played in France.

[BatManu20]

Different Bertans. This is his brother.

Oh my bad. Streaming the game on my phone and it's kind of shitty so it's a bit blurry. Can't tell the difference. My b Mr.Bottomtooth.

[TXstbobcat]

5

[Shipupi]

How many blocks does LJC have?
6 blocks 1 steal

[hsxvvd]

LJC should at least get a roster spot... surely?

[TXstbobcat]

How many blocks does LJC have?

5 blocks

[r0drig0lac]

How many blocks does LJC have?

6

[Robz4000]

They do look pretty good. Can we afford to add two more bigs?

If you had to choose, Lalanne or LJC?

Lelanne, but they can add all three.

[RD2191]

6 blocks 1 steal
Damn, that's nice.

[dbestpro]

LJC looks like he can affect a game just with his defense. Needs to spend a year in Austin.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Give us Dairis and LJC

[Darkwaters]

LOL, that dude isn't even in the league anymore.

I'm guessing thats his point....

[ace3g]

great defense there

[TXstbobcat]

:flag:

[tim_duncan_fan]

Bertans misses the second FT that would have made a 2 possession game with 4 secs to go:

That nigga is a Spur for sure.

[BillMc]

Oh my bad. Streaming the game on my phone and it's kind of shitty so it's a bit blurry. Can't tell the difference. My b Mr.Bottomtooth.

No problem. Those Bertani all look alike. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

LOL, that dude isn't even in the league anymore.
I know, that's what I meant lol.. He's no scrub

[tholdren]

Damn, that's nice.
dont drool over the SL 1 game stats, this is a place where teams shoot 30% FG for the game, and its not because of stellar defense.

[SpurPadre]

I'm guessing thats his point....

I know, I'm just mocking De Culo not him.

[ceperez]

He's a 6'10 SF..

You are referring to his brother.

[jyra]

Livio with the clutch D.

[aal04]

This whole forum is a knee jerk reaction

if bertans can shoot 5-8 from the 3pt line every night sign him up.

[Mugen]

LJC should have a spot at the end of the Spurs bench this season tbh.

[Silver&Black]

Summer League = F:lolcked

http://i.imgur.com/mgeqr9H.png

:worthy: Bertans

[benefactor]

I don't know if it can be "fixed." Spurs have a scoring problem. I get it for some wingstop rest, but our scorers are Manu and Tony....
You're a shit poster. Don't fucking talk to me.

[benefactor]

I don't know if it can be "fixed." Spurs have a scoring problem. I get it for some wingstop rest, but our scorers are Manu and Tony....
You're a shit poster. Don't fucking talk to me.

[dbestpro]

Cady looked good, Bertans looked really good, Kyle remains the same, and LJC can really play some defense.

[DesignatedT]

6 blocks for LJC.

[BD24]

Man LJC defense is beastly. A shame he looks like Jeff Ayres on the offensive end.

[Splits]

6 blocks for LJC.

Dude was a monster in the paint

[benefactor]

Bertans can really shoot, but damn he's small. I'd like for the Spurs to find a shooter that's at least a little bigger than Gary Neal.

[BillMc]

Summer League = F:lolcked

http://i.imgur.com/mgeqr9H.png

:worthy: Bertans

Thanks for posting the box score!:toast

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Bring LJC over. Teach him how to shoot 3s

[tholdren]

You're a shit poster. Don't fucking talk to me.
over 29k terrible takes, congrats. keep thinking everyone on the SL is a star waiting for their shot to be fixed. If they were any good, they would not be in the SL. But who cares - fix LJC's shot and he's the next lebron. 8 deflections in SUMMER LEAGUE ...!!!! OMG

[SpurPadre]

I know, that's what I meant lol.. He's no scrub

Yeah, I gotcha. I didn't express myself clearly.

[heyheymymy]

that was an exciting finish. I liked the 3 by bertans, looked silky, and LJC stuffed some shots at the rim it looked like. If they stay consistent that could be the depth in the 3rd string this year.

[SpurPadre]

Bertans can really shoot, but damn he's small. I'd like for the Spurs to find a shooter that's at least a little bigger than Gary Neal.

Can he at least play better D than Neal?

[Silver&Black]

Congrats to the Spurs...

:flag:

Edit: Becky is not the HC right now...my bad.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Signed exactly who we wanted.

Summer league scrubs looking halfway decent.



This offseason:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

[jhfenton]

Congrats to Becky on her first win as a head coach

:flag:

That's in Vegas. Hardy is HC in Utah.

[ace3g]

618220485604679680

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans can really shoot, but damn he's small. I'd like for the Spurs to find a shooter that's at least a little bigger than Gary Neal.

bertans is the same height as jj Redick, he can play

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Lalanne is a slightly above defender, but he isn't smart. Give me LJC, he really surprised me. Bertans is obviously getting the TC invite.

[Chinook]

LJC was awesome reading that elevator play at the end. He won't always look that bad on offense, but he's definitely a defense-first player. Can totally see him getting spot minutes next season. His lack of range isn't as big of a deal, seeing as he'll be player with bigs who can space the floor.

[KL2]

LJC and Bertans looked good, I like LJC's size and athleticism more for the NBA, I don't know if Bertans can defend at the next level. This is just summer league, need to see these guys against legit NBA competition.

[tholdren]

76ers shooting %

FG - 34%
3pt - 19%
FT - 52%

All because of LJC. I think he just won DPOY

[Silver&Black]

That's in Vegas. Hardy is HC in Utah.

My bad...:pctoss

[Nathan89]

KA better be more aggressive next game.

[BillMc]

76ers shooting %

FG - 34%
3pt - 19%
FT - 52%

All because of LJC. I think he just won DPOY

Poor Kawhi!

[tholdren]

Even if SA puts KA and LJC on the team - they still need a create-own-shot SG and a PG.

[jhfenton]

76ers shooting %

FG - 34%
3pt - 19%
FT - 52%

All because of LJC. I think he just won DPOY

Maybe DPOW or DPOU(tah).

[eDizzle20]

Didn't see the game, but Ljc with 6 blocks!?!

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJRbsF2WUAAO5QE.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJRWgn_UsAA73SD.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJRE331WoAA9EOo.jpg:large

[palangi]

This whole forum is a knee jerk reaction

if bertans can shoot 5-8 from the 3pt line every night sign him up.
No joke. Darius bertans is not an NBA player. He has bad handles. No length. Bad defense. He shoots, but that is it. Jerrell Eddie at 6'7" is a much better prospect.

[raybies]

LJC was awesome reading that elevator play at the end. He won't always look that bad on offense, but he's definitely a defense-first player. Can totally see him getting spot minutes next season. His lack of range isn't as big of a deal, seeing as he'll be player with bigs who can space the floor.
Solid post here

[benefactor]

LJC was awesome reading that elevator play at the end. He won't always look that bad on offense, but he's definitely a defense-first player. Can totally see him getting spot minutes next season. His lack of range isn't as big of a deal, seeing as he'll be player with bigs who can space the floor.
Yep...he's a young guy with plenty of time to develop that jumper. His defensive potential alone should warrant him a roster spot.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJRe_lTWgAA4g1O.jpg:large

[monkeypunk]

Slap hands slap hands

:lol

[picnroll]

LJC would make a helluva small ball center if he can get any kind offensive game.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah I'm impressed with LJC. The Spurs could use another defender.

[palangi]

Sixers rookies going to abuse the Spurs, tbh.
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lmao:lmao

Brilliant!

[Mr. Body]

Kyle Anderson's problem isn't just offense, it's really defense. If he gets picked, which is all the time, it's game over. A straight shot to the basket, foul on the big man or score. It's not looking good.

[heyheymymy]

wait so utah has a SL before the vegas one? How does that work again? Sorry for the stupid question.

[MaNu4Tres]

Livio is going to be a monster on D.

He reminds me of Luc Mbah A Moute but more athletic and the form on his shot actually looks fine (unlike Mbah).

He needs a roster spot.

[Chinook]

Livio is going to be a monster on D.

He reminds me of Luc Mbah A Moute but more athletic and the form on his shot actually looks fine (unlike Mbah).

He needs a roster spot.

Again, he's practically guaranteed a spot. It's LaLanne who has to keep performing if he doesn't want to wind up in Europe or worse next season.

[MaNu4Tres]

Again, he's practically guaranteed a spot. It's LaLanne who has to keep performing if he doesn't want to wind up in Europe or worse next season.

I'm actually more than surprised with Livio.

Not worried about his O, it will come.. but his D... Wow.

[ChumpDumper]

Bruno said that LJC's coming over isn't a lock. If he's realistic about it he'll stay in Europe and try to develop a shot for one more season. He'd never make it out of Austin as is.

[NickiRasgo]

Wrong thread.

[Chinook]

Bruno said that LJC's coming over isn't a lock. If he's realistic about it he'll stay in Europe and try to develop a shot for one more season. He'd never make it out of Austin as is.

Yeah, no. Livio can go back to Europe and hope the Spurs give him a good deal next year, or he can take the $2 Million-plus guaranteed by coming over this year. I don't think it's a question.

[heyheymymy]

Bruno said that LJC's coming over isn't a lock. If he's realistic about it he'll stay in Europe and try to develop a shot for one more season. He'd never make it out of Austin as is.

Damn, and Bruno would know too, French Spurs fans are like the inner circle. ......And Latvian Spurs fans too.. ha BillMc

[BD24]

LJC was awesome reading that elevator play at the end. He won't always look that bad on offense, but he's definitely a defense-first player. Can totally see him getting spot minutes next season. His lack of range isn't as big of a deal, seeing as he'll be player with bigs who can space the floor.
Your comparison to Mbah a moute was pretty spot on. Thinking LJC has a higher ceiling though and probably can guard smaller players better.

[Chinook]

I'm actually more than surprised with Livio.

Not worried about his O, it will come.. but his D... Wow.

I think he'll be able to solidify his offensive game is he gets huge minutes in Austin next season. He actually has good tools, but he's stuck being positions and hasn't refined an offensive game for either. In Austin, he'll be a four hands down. So we'll probably see his inside game improve.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, no. Livio can go back to Europe and hope the Spurs give him a good deal next year, or he can take the $2 Million-plus guaranteed by coming over this year. I don't think it's a question.I'm just passing along the information. If he comes over he will get his own apartment in Austin, so there's that.

[RD2191]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lmao:lmao

Brilliant!
Good to see Chinook let you out of your cage.

[picnroll]

Bruno said that LJC's coming over isn't a lock. If he's realistic about it he'll stay in Europe and try to develop a shot for one more season. He'd never make it out of Austin as is.

Even if he spends most of the year in Austin he can be groomed and his role defined. Would he get the playing time and be allowed to play a significant offensive role in Europe.

[Chinook]

I'm just passing along the information. If he comes over he will get his own apartment in Austin, so there's that.

I understand. I think it would take a CRAZY amount of trust in the Spurs for LJC to not come over. Plus, I'd think it pointless to stash him, as he'll be as good as the d-leaguers they call up mid-season anyway. I strongly disagree that developing in Europe makes sense for him. He barely played there, and he got paid a lot less than he would here. It just doesn't add up.

[BD24]

Man just thought about a future defensive lineup of DG, Kawhi, and LJC. Would give the other team fits on the offensive end.

[ChumpDumper]

Even if he spends most of the year in Austin he can be groomed and his role defined.True, the choice is his.

[Ditty]

Yeah, no. Livio can go back to Europe and hope the Spurs give him a good deal next year, or he can take the $2 Million-plus guaranteed by coming over this year. I don't think it's a question.

The Spurs can go over the cap by bringing over Livio?

[ChumpDumper]

I understand. I think it would take a CRAZY amount of trust in the Spurs for LJC to not come over. Plus, I'd think it pointless to stash him, as he'll be as good as the d-leaguers they call up mid-season anyway. I strongly disagree that developing in Europe makes sense for him. He barely played there, and he got paid a lot less than he would here. It just doesn't add up.I don't think trusting the Spurs would be an issue. It comes down to whether he thinks 20 mpg at the French A/Eurocup level is better than 30+ in Cedar Park. His choice.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Livio or Cady more impressive today? Livio's defense was huge, but Lalanne had a solid all-around game.

[Chinook]

The Spurs can go over the cap by bringing over Livio?

Yeah. He's already reducing their cap space, though, but only by $300k or so. They'll sign him after Aldridge signs.

[ace3g]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/jazz/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/bac_8486.jpg?itok=O3iG9V4T

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/jazz/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/563241399_spurs_76ers_mm34.jpg?itok=W0uDdFMd

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/jazz/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/563241399_spurs_76ers_mm122.jpg?itok=XoEGKosJ

The Big 3

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/jazz/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/563241399_spurs_76ers_mm94.jpg?itok=PfIUloPv

[Chinook]

I don't think trusting the Spurs would be an issue. It comes down to whether he thinks 20 mpg at the French A/Eurocup level is better than 30+ in Cedar Park. His choice.

Trusting the Spurs is a HUGE issue. He has to believe they'll guarantee him at least the $2 Million he's currently owed no matter what happens next season. I don't know that they'd do that, honestly. Also, I think it would help his game more to eat minutes on a team designed to develop players' skills rather than a team that is made to win. He can already play a role. Now he needs to see how far he can expand his offense. The more time he gets with Spurs coaches, the better.

[ChumpDumper]

Livio or Cady more impressive today? Livio's defense was huge, but Lalanne had a solid all-around game.Cady has the edge give his range and defensive assignment. Ended up being overwhelemed by Okafor but holding him under 50% guarding him one on one most of the time was pretty impressive. Seems like more of an NBA player at this point.

LJC's hustle D was great, but det O....Has potential, but kind of Lance Thomas-y at this point. Hopefully his upside is higher than that.

[ChumpDumper]

Trusting the Spurs is a HUGE issue. He has to believe they'll guarantee him at least the $2 Million he's currently owed no matter what happens next season. I don't know that they'd do that, honestly. Also, I think it would help his game more to eat minutes on a team designed to develop players' skills rather than a team that is made to win. He can already play a role. Now he needs to see how far he can expand his offense. The more time he gets with Spurs coaches, the better.His choice.

And I think if the roster spot is at a real premium for the Spurs, they could wink-wink LJC into waiting. That's the kind of thing all these player/agent relationships are built to do.

[RD2191]

As someone newish to basketball do players ever really develop overseas? I mean players like Parker/Manu were already talented as hell. Tiago was beasting overseas yet rode the bench for a couple of seasons when he came over. I've always thought that the sooner they can get on the Spurs bench the better.

[picnroll]

That was more than hustle D. If what he showed translates to consistency I can easily see him called up at the end of the season and put in end of game critical defensive sequences. Particularly if he can add rebounding. Would have been nice to have a player like that in Miami 2014 at end of game 6.

[Chinook]

His choice.

And I think if the roster spot is at a real premium for the Spurs, they could wink-wink LJC into waiting. That's the kind of thing all these player/agent relationships are built to do.

They have five open roster spots. I don't think it'll be at a premium. Would also make more sense for the Spurs to not waste MLE space next year bringing LJC over, or having to fit his hold into cap space if they have it. Signing him this season is much cleaner for both sides.

[Mr. Body]

As someone newish to basketball do players ever really develop overseas? I mean players like Parker/Manu were already talented as hell. Tiago was beasting overseas yet rode the bench for a couple of seasons when he came over. I've always thought that the sooner they can get on the Spurs bench the better.

They do. Top Euro leagues are strong, better than the NBDL and can be better than no PT at the end of an NBA bench.

[ace3g]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/spurs/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/gettyimages-479723596_master.jpg?itok=T9wg5Ooa

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/spurs/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/gettyimages-479723528_master.jpg?itok=onprdqQt

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/spurs/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/gettyimages-479723182_master.jpg?itok=LwjB6S-j

[Chinook]

LJC can hit from midrange. He just didn't today. But his overall line was more impressing than Cady's in my opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

They have five open roster spots. I don't think it'll be at a premium. Would also make more sense for the Spurs to not waste MLE space next year bringing LJC over, or having to fit his hold into cap space if they have it. Signing him this season is much cleaner for both sides.Who knows how the Spurs actually want to fill those spots?

Again, I'm fine with his playing in Austin all season. Bruno wouldn't say he was mulling it over if he wasn't.

[DPG21920]

LJC can hit from midrange. He just didn't today. But his overall line was more impressing than Cady's in my opinion.

Eh - I think Cady going against the number 3 pick with such a refined offensive game is at least equally as impressive. But splitting hairs at that point. Both showed good things.

[ace3g]

I know it is just a photo, but the form looks good for LJC.

[RD2191]

They do. Top Euro leagues are strong, better than the NBDL and can be better than no PT at the end of an NBA bench.
But what good does it do if they're coming to a completely different system with the Spurs. I mean they're mostly treated like rookies even if they really aren't.

[Mr. Body]

But what good does it do if they're coming to a completely different system with the Spurs. I mean they're mostly treated like rookies even if they really aren't.

Developing individual skills can be much more important than learning the system.

[Chinook]

Eh - I think Cady going against the number 3 pick with such a refined offensive game is at least equally as impressive. But splitting hairs at that point. Both showed good things.

Yeah, but LJC did a bit of everything, and he was a much better defender. I thought Cady got away with a ton of fouls that weren't called. He also jacked up a ton of shots and didn't hit a good enough percentage of them to justify it. I liked that he was good enough to try to do certain things. But he wasn't good enough to do them today, and I think that's what a lot of people are overlooking.

[picnroll]

On a Euro team LJC will be 5th option on offense. On a D league team he can be whatever the Spurs want him to be.

[Chinook]

Developing individual skills can be much more important than learning the system.

Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.

[RD2191]

Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.
Pretty much my thoughts.

[daslicer]

As someone newish to basketball do players ever really develop overseas? I mean players like Parker/Manu were already talented as hell. Tiago was beasting overseas yet rode the bench for a couple of seasons when he came over. I've always thought that the sooner they can get on the Spurs bench the better.

Overseas does help to develop a players fundamentals and basketball IQ. These type of things are very underrated. It also trains guys how to play under high pressure situations. Overseas the playoff games have more of a life and death attitude with fans versus the US. I remember Manu once saying in the interview that the arenas in Europe were more hostile compared to the NBA and he stated you had fans who would throw rocks and shit on the court. The reason why these guys don't immediately make an impact on the NBA game is that it takes time to adjust to the speed and pace of the game but once they do that's when you see all the skill set that they learned from Europe come into play.

[ChumpDumper]

On a Euro team LJc with be 5th option on offense. On a D league team he can be whatever the Spurs want him to be.It's a double edged sword for big men. If you're bigger and or more athletic than most of your D-League opponents, you're going to look like a world beater. It would be weird to park LJC on the perimeter to put up threes against the undersized guys he would face at SF. Assuming that's where they end up playing him for development.

[Mr. Body]

Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.

I was talking generally.

[Mr. Body]

Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.

The good Europe teams have highly designed system and very skilled players, often far more skilled than the NBDL. Passing, teamwork, spacing, help defense, etc., are what you'll learn there. If you want someone to just hoist shots then maybe home works. I'd say for big men, playing in Europe makes sense. Perimeter players, maybe the opposite.

[RD2191]

Overseas does help to develop a players fundamentals and basketball IQ. These type of things are very underrated. It also trains guys how to play under high pressure situations. Overseas the playoff games have more of a life and death attitude with fans versus the US. I remember Manu once saying in the interview that the arenas in Europe were more hostile compared to the NBA and he stated you had fans who would throw rocks and shit on the court. The reason why these guys don't immediately make an impact on the NBA game is that it takes time to adjust to the speed and pace of the game but once they do that's when you see all the skill set that they learned from Europe come into play.
Thanks for your thoughts. I don't necessarily agree but you do gave some solid points.

[Bruno]

Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.

[FvckMavs]

Bruno is back too!

[DPG21920]

Cotton >> Denmon

[ace3g]

Cotton >> Denmon

+1

[DPG21920]

Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.

Bruno, good to see you back :tu How have you been?

[Chinook]

Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.

Do you know how much his buyout is for? You'd think that it wouldn't be that high considering who he's signed with.

[Bruno]

Bruno, good to see you back :tu How have you been?

Fine, just trying to post again a little here and see if it's better than when I left.

[Chinook]

The good Europe teams have highly designed system and very skilled players, often far more skilled than the NBDL. Passing, teamwork, spacing, help defense, etc., are what you'll learn there. If you want someone to just hoist shots then maybe home works. I'd say for big men, playing in Europe makes sense. Perimeter players, maybe the opposite.

The Spurs own their d-league affiliate. So they can directly coach LJC both in and out of games. They can control his development without causing tension with his team's coaches. He could and probably would practice several times with the Spurs' big club. And if the d-league is best for developing perimeter skills, that makes the most sense for LJC as far as I see it. Even if he's a four full-time, it would be really helpful to his long-term prospects to be able to operate away from the basket.

[Mr. Body]

The advantage, too, of keeping a player in Europe is... you don't have to pay them.

[ceperez]

His choice.

And I think if the roster spot is at a real premium for the Spurs, they could wink-wink LJC into waiting. That's the kind of thing all these player/agent relationships are built to do.

Roster spot isn't a premium this year... there are 5 slots open even after West signed up.

[DPG21920]

Fine, just trying to post again a little here and see if it's better than when I left.

Well hopefully you stick around - board is better with you here. Congrats on your job as Philly GM. I know that has kept you busy.

[ChumpDumper]

Roster spot isn't a premium this year... there are 5 slots open even after West signed up.Do you know how the Spurs plan to fill them?

Or if they even plan to fill them all?

I don't.

Well I know they won't be getting Tavares, but that's it.

[ceperez]

Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.

Sigh... :-( Well wait if of course better in the long run.

[Bruno]

Do you know how much his buyout is for? You'd think that it wouldn't be that high considering who he's signed with.

I'm guessing $625K. I'm not sure if you know it but a team can still use the rookie scale to pay a first round pick even if the player has been drafted 3 or more years ago. MLE or cap room might also be used at that time but it's to give more money.

[Trainwreck2100]

Fine, just trying to post again a little here and see if it's better than when I left.

Wel...its not.

[ace3g]

Glad all the Spurs games at the Utah Summer League are 6 pm CST and later, have time to get back from work to watch.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Doesn't Livio play for the team Tony owns? Tbh he should just let the buyout slide since he's likely to be overpaid on his new extension.

[Chinook]

I'm guessing $625K. I'm not sure if you know it but a team can still use the rookie scale to pay a first round pick even if the player has been drafted 3 or more years ago. MLE or cap room might also be used at that time but it's to give more money.

Did not know that. One of the things I missed about you being gone is that you saw a lot of things in the CBA that I didn't. I don't see where the contract is still guaranteed after three years, though. So the Spurs could give him a $4M/3 deal but with none guaranteed rather than a $5M/4 with about $2 Million guaranteed.

[ceperez]

Did not know that. One of the things I missed about you being gone is that you saw a lot of thing in the CBA that I didn't. I don't see where the contract is still guaranteed after three years, though.

LJC was drafted in 2013. So the third year would be this coming season. Do Spurs have his draft rights even after this season?

[Chinook]

LJC was drafted in 2013. So the third year would be this coming season. Do Spurs have his draft rights even after this season?

Yeah. But next year, they aren't bound by the rookie scale anymore. That's usually a good thing, but it's not in this case if they don't even want him as a 15th man this year and he can't get playing time at ASVEL.

[palangi]

Good to see Chinook let you out of your cage.
Brilliant.

Another one of your theories. We all saw how that went tonight.

[TheGoldStandard]

Really liked what I saw from Bertans, he has 1 job and he doesn't deviate from it

[ChumpDumper]

Did not know that. One of the things I missed about you being gone is that you saw a lot of things in the CBA that I didn't. I don't see where the contract is still guaranteed after three years, though. So the Spurs could give him a $4M/3 deal but with none guaranteed rather than a $5M/4 with about $2 Million guaranteed.
Section 2.

Rookie Contracts for Later-Signed First Round Picks.

Except as provided in Section 3 below, a First Round Pick who doesnot sign with the Team that holds his draft rights for any portion of thethree (3) Seasons following the NBA Draft in which he was selected (and who did not play intercollegiate basketball during such period) may enterinto either (a) a Rookie Scale Contract in accordance with Section 1 above,or (b) if the Team has Room in excess of the applicable first-year RookieScale Amount and subject to the provisions of Article VII, a Contractcovering no fewer than three (3) Seasons (not including any Option Year)that provides for Base Compensation in the first Season greater than onehundred twenty percent (120%) of the applicable first-year Rookie Scale Amount.
http://nbpa.com/cba/

[Chinook]

http://nbpa.com/cba/

Yeah. I still don't see where it says the contract has to be guaranteed.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah. I still don't see where it says the contract has to be guaranteed.
Well if a team can sign a three year contract with no guaranteed money at all, I haven't seen it.

[HI-FI]

Wel...its not.
Like you said before, it was reaching Protocol 10 at one point

[ceperez]

Yeah. I still don't see where it says the contract has to be guaranteed.

I think it does say that the contract should not be fewer than 3 seasons and 120% greater than rook scale. I gather that means its guaranteed for at least 3 years.

[Chinook]

Well if a team can sign a three year contract with no guaranteed money at all, I haven't seen it.

I don't see why they can't. People sign three- or four-year deals with only a couple hundred thousand guaranteed, which is way less than the $2 Million the rookie scale would offer LJC. And those players usually have the right to sign a one-yer tender, but LJC would only have that offered that type of contract with no alternative.

[Chinook]

I think it does say that the contract should not be fewer than 3 seasons and 120% greater than rook scale. I gather that means its guaranteed for at least 3 years.

I definitely don't think it means that. It certainly wouldn't leave that so vague.

[Bruno]

I don't see where the contract is still guaranteed after three years, though. So the Spurs could give him a $4M/3 deal but with none guaranteed rather than a $5M/4 with about $2 Million guaranteed.

I would say it's a gray area. In theory, you're right and a team could pay less guaranteed money after 3 years using a contract with multiple non-guaranteed years. Now, the intent of the CBA is clearly that after 3 years players can be paid more. Proposing a non-guaranteed contract to potentially pay less is against that intent. It isn't allowed to go against the intent of the CBA.

If one day a team try to force a first round pick to sign that kind of contract after 3 years overseas, I'm not sure the NBA would allow it. NBPA might also protest against it.

At the end, I don't think that "Spurs might screw me with some a tricky-never-seen contract next year" will be a factor for LJC future.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Fine, just trying to post again a little here and see if it's better than when I left.

Same here. ;)

[Chinook]

I would say it's a gray area. In theory, you're right and a team could pay less guaranteed money after 3 years using a contract with multiple non-guaranteed years. Now, the intent of the CBA is clearly that after 3 years players can be paid more. Proposing a non-guaranteed contract to potentially pay less is against that intent. It isn't allowed to go against the intent of the CBA.

If one day a team try to force a first round pick to sign that kind of contract after 3 years overseas, I'm not sure the NBA would allow it. NBPA might also protest against it.

At the end, I don't think that "Spurs might screw me with some a tricky-never-seen contract next year" will be a factor for LJC future.

Haha. No probably not. I'll concede the point. Still don't see LJC staying, though. The Spurs totally have the roster space to carry him and already have the cap space earmarked for him. He can develop on the fly, because his defense already give him a role on the Spurs. If what happened today is anywhere near his normal level of play, Anderson may have to fight to get a rotation spot. The bench needs a defender more than a playmaker with Manu back, and with West and Diaw manning the front court, LJC should be able to get away with playing in the paint on offense and on the perimeter on defense.

[jjktkk]

Fine, just trying to post again a little here and see if it's better than when I left.

Welcome back Bruno, you were missed.

[PublicOption]

Welcome.....to the greatest sports forum in the World.

[BD24]

For those that have seen LJC play before or are familiar with his skill set, is that all he has to offer offensively? Or has he shown flashes of a developing offensive game at points? Do you think he could develop at least into an average offensive player? He is obviously never going to be a world beater offensively, but he has huge defensive upside.

[ceperez]

For those that have seen LJC play before or are familiar with his skill set, is that all he has to offer offensively? Or has he shown flashes of a developing offensive game at points? Do you think he could develop at least into an average offensive player? He is obviously never going to be a world beater offensively, but he has huge defensive upside.

He's 6'9" and keep in front of guards. That's got to be worth something.

[ace3g]

Exum going to the lockerroom with ankle injury

[SpurPadre]

How's LJC skill set in the paint on offense? Can he consistently get to the basket? Oh and just wanted to say, quality posts from Bruno and Chinook that led to other solid posts from others here. Good to see. :tu

[ElNono]

I thought Lalanne had a much more rounded game... especially since he was matched against Okafor...

But it's just one game, can't draw a lot of conclusions yet.

[ElNono]

How's LJC skill set in the paint on offense? Can he consistently get to the basket? Oh and just wanted to say, quality posts from Bruno and Chinook that led to other solid posts from others here. Good to see. :tu

He was pretty damn terrible on offense. But it's just one game, tbh, might just been a bad night

[apalisoc_9]

Lalane had a better game, IMO.

He was a positive on the both ends of the floor. His ability to shoot allowed for more spacing in the perimeter.

LJC was the team's best defender, but you also have to consider the fact that he was allowed to roam on D considering he was guarding a weaker player.

I'd give tonight's game to Bertans though. He was the biggest winner tonight..

Anderson was the biggest loser.

[SpurPadre]

He was pretty damn terrible on offense. But it's just one game, tbh, might just been a bad night

Did he at least flash some nice moves? I'm hoping there's some skill behind his athleticism.

[coachmac87]

Anderson getting traded a possibility????

[ChumpDumper]

Anderson getting traded a possibility????Not likely.

[littlecoyotecoin]

For those that have seen LJC play before or are familiar with his skill set, is that all he has to offer offensively? Or has he shown flashes of a developing offensive game at points? Do you think he could develop at least into an average offensive player? He is obviously never going to be a world beater offensively, but he has huge defensive upside.

As Nono mentions later, it's a small sample size. He had a bad offensive performance tonight. A few years back at the:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/4/20/4247414/nike-hoop-summit-2013-final

He pretty much dominated, including some lottery talent.

His offense probably isn't that good, nor as bad as it was tonight.

[DPG21920]

As Nono mentions later, it's a small sample size. He had a bad offensive performance tonight. A few years back at the:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/4/20/4247414/nike-hoop-summit-2013-final

He pretty much dominated, including some lottery talent.

His offense probably isn't that good, nor as bad as it was tonight.

True, but the bigger sample size (his league) has not been good. He's struggled way more than he's dominated and it's not even close. However, he shows enough flashes that it's interesting and he's young.

[coachmac87]

Not likely.

Sooooooo you're saying there's a chance...Like 1 out of 100????

[ChumpDumper]

Sooooooo you're saying there's a chance...Like 1 out of 100????Probably less.

But if that is your fantasy transaction this summer, it's better than hoping Tavares comes back in the Splitter trade.

[99 Problems]

I would say it's a gray area. In theory, you're right and a team could pay less guaranteed money after 3 years using a contract with multiple non-guaranteed years. Now, the intent of the CBA is clearly that after 3 years players can be paid more. Proposing a non-guaranteed contract to potentially pay less is against that intent. It isn't allowed to go against the intent of the CBA.

If one day a team try to force a first round pick to sign that kind of contract after 3 years overseas, I'm not sure the NBA would allow it. NBPA might also protest against it.

At the end, I don't think that "Spurs might screw me with some a tricky-never-seen contract next year" will be a factor for LJC future.


Bruno, you, Timvp, LA, Westy. This weeks out of control man.

[Ditty]

Not giving up on Anderson, and I don't think the Spurs will give up on him anytime soon either. He has shown that he is able to play in the NBA hopefully he can start dominating soon.

[coachmac87]

Probably less.

But if that is your fantasy transaction this summer, it's better than hoping Tavares comes back in the Splitter trade.

I really don't care tbh...I just don't see what he brings to the table. I just don't see a "Wing" working out in the Spurs system if you can't shoot....like it's a must lol

[Robz4000]

Glad to see you back, Bruno :toast

[Obstructed_View]

I had a late appointment, so I had to DVR the game. I just got done watching it. I'm writing this up prior to skimming this thread, because I want my impressions uncolored. I'm going to watch it again later because I have some questions about how the game was managed, but for now, here we go. Let me know if you see any errors, and I'll fix them with edits.

I'll go in order of grade, high to low.

One pre-grade note: The officiating in this game was laughably bad. I'd go into detail, but they almost got every call in this game wrong. It was seriously about as bad as I've ever seen.

Dairis Bertans A
I want this kid on the team now. I don't need to see any more. He's a really good three point shooter, he's a smart passer, he's an incredible defender. He drew no fewer than four legitimate charges in this game, and perhaps a fifth in the second half, which the officials managed to turn into the first delayed-whistle blocking foul I've ever seen in a basketball game. The offense moved well while he was on the floor, and the play to seal the game was absolutely brilliant. He looked over his right shoulder, saw Jean-Charles running toward the front of the rim and threw a no-look pass over his left shoulder. He's really going to have to be bad for the rest of summer league to make me stop liking what he does.

Livio Jean-Charles A-
This kid is 21, folks. He's not super polished on offense, but he has a good jump stroke and didn't shrink from taking open shots even when they weren't falling. I though he played really good defense, rebounded well, was in the right place a lot, he has very good hands, has equally good feet, and didn't make any really major mistakes. Even if his offense doesn't come around, he looked to be capable of doing everything the Spurs will need from a big, because with the firepower they're going to have, I could care less if he ever gets a shot. I think he's going to get a camp invite pretty much no matter what happens from here out. Even wearing Ian Mahinmi's jersey number couldn't slow him down.

Cady Lalanne A-
He looks far better than I expected. His jumper is quite good, he's smart on both ends of the floor, he rebounds well, has good hands, and his defense is, well, tenacious. He was overmatched by what looks like a legitimate NBA center in Okafor, and was, for some reason, put on an island while the Sixers isolated him, but he didn't put his head down, didn't complain about the questionable calls that went against him, he just took the challenge and did the best he could. I thought both Jean-Charles and Nastic were much better against Okafor simply because they had more size. Why the Spurs allowed Lalanne to continue to check a guy who was beating him is a mystery. He's a good strong rebounder, and he needs to learn when to try to go back up after an offensive board and when to throw it back out now that he's playing with pros. Surprised at the upside. BTW, why is this guy 23 and only played one year in college? (yes I can look it up but I'm lazy)

Casper Ware B
If it weren't for Bertans, who looks to me like he could play either guard spot in a backup role, I'd probably be more forgiving of Ware just because of team need. I'm not sure if I've ever seen him play before, but he's a better point guard than many of the guys the Spurs have had in past summer leagues. He's a good shooter (though he calls his own number a bit too much), he's a good passer when he's paying attention, he's a good dribbler when he's paying attention, and he's not a liability on defense. Not the best decision maker I've ever seen, but he's got some positives. If forced to make a conclusion after only one game, I'd say it's conceivable that he could work his way onto an NBA team.

Everyone else who played not named Kyle Anderson I
You guys were okay. Thanks for the hard work. Grade I for Incomplete. We'll wait a game or two to give more information.

Everyone who didn't play
Good news, everyone! You weren't the worst players on the team tonight.

Kyle Anderson can you bold a vomit emoticon?
I came into this game expecting to grade everyone who doesn't currently occupy a roster spot a little more forgivingly, and I was excited to see Anderson play after this offseason. Turns out I didn't need to do either. Remember that this comes from a guy who really liked KA last year, and has defended his game quite a bit: Kyle Anderson was awful tonight. He didn't look like a guy capable of contributing to an NBA team in any way. He hit a nice patented-Slowmo layup on the first play of the game, and then he was awful. His one-on-one moves are bad, when passing he looked like a guy who didn't want to be noticed, and his shooting was terrible. When he was given the Manu role at the end of the first quarter, he waved off the screener for some reason, waited too long to get the offense going, dribbled into a double team, and had to make a near-miraculous behind-the-back dribble just to get a pass off before the clock ran out. In addition, he passed up a wide open three, he nearly airballed a technical free throw, he missed several rotations, and last but not least, he fucking turned his back and ran away with his arms in the air when someone came into the paint at him. He had a couple of moments where he contributed, which is to say he wasn't completely awful, but this is the guy the Spurs were supposed to be showcasing. I have a hard time not outright hating the guy after this game. It was a performance to make me wonder if he's capable of being an NBA player. I hope a second watch will make me less disgusted than I am right now.

Coaching
I'm going to need to go back and see what the fuck happened in the third quarter, because the Spurs' offense was shit. They didn't seem to generate nearly the same looks as they did in both the first half and the fourth quarter. Allowing Lalanne to check Okafor several times in a row made very little sense, and the wholesale substitution of everyone on the floor five minutes into the game was puzzling, as Bertans was rolling and Okafor was not. At least the right people seemed to be on the floor at the end.

[apalisoc_9]

Coaching
I'm going to need to go back and see what the fuck happened in the third quarter, because the Spurs' offense was shit. They didn't seem to generate nearly the same looks as they did in both the first half and the fourth quarter. Allowing Lalanne to check Okafor several times in a row made very little sense, and the wholesale substitution of everyone on the floor five minutes into the game was puzzling, as Bertans was rolling and Okafor was not. At least the right people seemed to be on the floor at the end.

It's the summer league, winning is only second priority.

They probably wanted too see Lallanne against a legitimate NBA caliber big, regardless of result.

[Obstructed_View]

He's a 6'10 SF..

Er, no. He's 6'4". Not sure who you're thinking of. I'm sure someone else answered this. :)

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'm hoping the team went into the summer league giving Kyle the assignment of helping showcase the other prospects. If that was him doing his best, then yeesh.

[palangi]

I had a late appointment, so I had to DVR the game. I just got done watching it. I'm writing this up prior to skimming this thread, because I want my impressions uncolored. I'm going to watch it again later because I have some questions about how the game was managed, but for now, here we go. Let me know if you see any errors, and I'll fix them with edits.

I'll go in order of grade, high to low.

One pre-grade note: The officiating in this game was laughably bad. I'd go into detail, but they almost got every call in this game wrong. It was seriously about as bad as I've ever seen.

Dairis Bertans A
I want this kid on the team now. I don't need to see any more. He's a really good three point shooter, he's a smart passer, he's an incredible defender. He drew no fewer than four legitimate charges in this game, and perhaps a fifth in the second half, which the officials managed to turn into the first delayed-whistle blocking foul I've ever seen in a basketball game. The offense moved well while he was on the floor, and the play to seal the game was absolutely brilliant. He looked over his right shoulder, saw Jean-Charles running toward the front of the rim and threw a no-look pass over his left shoulder. He's really going to have to be bad for the rest of summer league to make me stop liking what he does.

Livio Jean-Charles A-
This kid is 21, folks. He's not super polished on offense, but he has a good jump stroke and didn't shrink from taking open shots even when they weren't falling. I though he played really good defense, rebounded well, was in the right place a lot, he has very good hands, has equally good feet, and didn't make any really major mistakes. Even if his offense doesn't come around, he looked to be capable of doing everything the Spurs will need from a big, because with the firepower they're going to have, I could care less if he ever gets a shot. I think he's going to get a camp invite pretty much no matter what happens from here out. Even wearing Ian Mahinmi's jersey number couldn't slow him down.

Cady Lalanne A-
He looks far better than I expected. His jumper is quite good, he's smart on both ends of the floor, he rebounds well, has good hands, and his defense is, well, tenacious. He was overmatched by what looks like a legitimate NBA center in Okafor, and was, for some reason, put on an island while the Sixers isolated him, but he didn't put his head down, didn't complain about the questionable calls that went against him, he just took the challenge and did the best he could. I thought both Jean-Charles and Nastic were much better against Okafor simply because they had more size. Why the Spurs allowed Lalanne to continue to check a guy who was beating him is a mystery. He's a good strong rebounder, and he needs to learn when to try to go back up after an offensive board and when to throw it back out now that he's playing with pros. Surprised at the upside. BTW, why is this guy 23 and only played one year in college? (yes I can look it up but I'm lazy)

Casper Ware B
If it weren't for Bertans, who looks to me like he could play either guard spot in a backup role, I'd probably be more forgiving of Ware just because of team need. I'm not sure if I've ever seen him play before, but he's a better point guard than many of the guys the Spurs have had in past summer leagues. He's a good shooter (though he calls his own number a bit too much), he's a good passer when he's paying attention, he's a good dribbler when he's paying attention, and he's not a liability on defense. Not the best decision maker I've ever seen, but he's got some positives. If forced to make a conclusion after only one game, I'd say it's conceivable that he could work his way onto an NBA team.

Everyone else who played not named Kyle Anderson I
You guys were okay. Thanks for the hard work. Grade I for Incomplete. We'll wait a game or two to give more information.

Everyone who didn't play
Good news, everyone! You weren't the worst players on the team tonight.

Kyle Anderson can you bold a vomit emoticon?
I came into this game expecting to grade everyone who doesn't currently occupy a roster spot a little more forgivingly, and I was excited to see Anderson play after this offseason. Turns out I didn't need to do either. Remember that this comes from a guy who really liked KA last year, and has defended his game quite a bit: Kyle Anderson was awful tonight. He didn't look like a guy capable of contributing to an NBA team in any way. He hit a nice patented-Slowmo layup on the first play of the game, and then he was awful. His one-on-one moves are bad, when passing he looked like a guy who didn't want to be noticed, and his shooting was terrible. When he was given the Manu role at the end of the first quarter, he waved off the screener for some reason, waited too long to get the offense going, dribbled into a double team, and had to make a near-miraculous behind-the-back dribble just to get a pass off before the clock ran out. In addition, he passed up a wide open three, he nearly airballed a technical free throw, he missed several rotations, and last but not least, he fucking turned his back and ran away with his arms in the air when someone came into the paint at him. He had a couple of moments where he contributed, which is to say he wasn't completely awful, but this is the guy the Spurs were supposed to be showcasing. I have a hard time not outright hating the guy after this game. It was a performance to make me wonder if he's capable of being an NBA player. I hope a second watch will make me less disgusted than I am right now.

Coaching
I'm going to need to go back and see what the fuck happened in the third quarter, because the Spurs' offense was shit. They didn't seem to generate nearly the same looks as they did in both the first half and the fourth quarter. Allowing Lalanne to check Okafor several times in a row made very little sense, and the wholesale substitution of everyone on the floor five minutes into the game was puzzling, as Bertans was rolling and Okafor was not. At least the right people seemed to be on the floor at the end.

I would be cautious of critiques in summer ball, especially With guys like Anderson. He has proven to score in college, D league, and even the nba with 15 point nights. Guys like him are told to work on specific things in these games. And it usually isn't their strengths.

While this shot was of tonight. His rebounding was great

[ChumpDumper]

I syphilis be cautious of critiques in summer ballI would be cautious too.

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I syphilis be cautious of critiques in summer ball, especially With guys like Anderson. He has proven to score in college, D league, and even the nba with 15 point nights. Guys like him are told to work on specific things in these games. And it usually isn't their strengths.

While this shot was of tonight. His rebounding was great
Rebounding was a strength in college, so clearly he wasn't instructed to work on it. Every other part of his game was awful, so I'm unsure what the coaching staff was telling him to work on. Looking at the box score, it looks like he had a good night rebounding, but if you hadn't seen the box score you wouldn't think he had that many. I remember him grabbing one contested rebound and thought he was somewhat lucky not to get a whistle for over-the-back. Again, I like him, have liked him since he was drafted, and expected an improvement from him this season. He ain't off to a great start, IMHO.

[TheGoldStandard]

I guess they told Anderson to work on having a bad game or a forgetful game

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It's the summer league, winning is only second priority.

They probably wanted too see Lallanne against a legitimate NBA caliber big, regardless of result.

Entirely possible, though I have no idea why they'd feel the need once he'd gotten rolling. They subbed him out for Nastic, and I'd have rather seen LJC on him.

[TheGoldStandard]

I have no idea why Denmon still gets run, guy is never going to do anything special

[apalisoc_9]

Entirely possible, though I have no idea why they'd feel the need once he'd gotten rolling. They subbed him out for Nastic, and I'd have rather seen LJC on him.

It's possible they're already convinced with Livio's ability Guard the post and just wanted too see how he guards the PnR..We saw Livio Guard the PnR quite a bit, something that was going to be almost impossible to do with Okafor almost always opting for post play.

That or both players are probably just taking turn D in terms of position..I've seen this happen many times in the summer league. It makes sense too since teams are really just out there to evaluate their players..Winning is probably not even in their agenda.

[apalisoc_9]

I have no idea why Denmon still gets run, guy is never going to do anything special

agreed.

[DJR210]

I came in pumped to see how KA did...


I guess they told Anderson to work on having a bad game or a forgetful game

Facepalm.

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It's possible they're already convinced with Livio's ability Guard the post and just wanted too see how he guards the PnR..We saw Livio Guard the PnR quite a bit, something that was going to be almost impossible to do with Okafor almost always opting for post play.

That or both players are probably just taking turn D in terms of position..I've seen this happen many times in the summer league. It makes sense too since teams are really just out there to evaluate their players..Winning is probably not even in their agenda.

Agree on all points. It's early yet, and we will hopefully get a better idea of what's what after a few games. Selfishly, I would have liked to had all questions asked in one game. :)

[popdagreat]

when does the spurs need to fill the roster by?

[99 Problems]

Some people here saying that LJC played good D. That's promising. At 6'9" 230 that is the stuff that gives coaching staff options. Thinking of the future with Kawhi. :whine

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Some people here saying that LJC played good D. That's promising. At 6'9" 230 that is the stuff that gives coaching staff options. Thinking of the future with Kawhi. :whine

He looked taller than that to me. It might have just been his game.

[DJR210]

Highlights of Livio's block party..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_87HC_Ki06Y

[Rito3d30]

What's the score
When I watch the game live streaming, the final score is 74 : 71 a Win
But the scoreboard on NBA.com is 74: 76 a Loss

WTF:wow

[jyra]

Post game interviews:

LJC
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2015/07/06/LivioJeanCharles7615mov-3638413

Bertans
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2015/07/06/DairisBertans7615mov-3638383


I hope that LJC gets a crack at defending Rodney Hood and Dante Exum in the next game, they scored 20 and 23 points respectively yesterday.

[ElNono]

Post game interviews:

LJC
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2015/07/06/LivioJeanCharles7615mov-3638413

Bertans
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2015/07/06/DairisBertans7615mov-3638383


I hope that LJC gets a crack at defending Rodney Hood and Dante Exum in the next game, they scored 20 and 23 points respectively yesterday.

Exum left the game with an ankle injury...

[jyra]

Exum left the game with an ankle injury...

Ah thanks for the info, I hope it's nothing too bad.

[kobyz]

LJC wow! Versityle defender, lockdown defender, active defender and tough, he reminds on defense the last year dpoy draymond green!

[eDizzle20]

I'm not sure if PATFO plan to bring LJC over this season, but it looks like he sure can defend very well at an NBA level. I would think he is a real option as a 5th big.

[MI21]

Highlights of Livio's block party..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_87HC_Ki06Y

Good good that game winning sequence :wow

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Bertans, Livio, Lallane!

[DJR210]

Good good that game winning sequence :wow

:tu

[DJR210]

Not feeling the #28, it's a god damn killer of talent.

[ceperez]

I want to see LJC defending guards and small forwards.

LJC is a very quick jumper and a lot of length.... crazy!

[elemento]

Man, just finished watching this game. Damn, LJC has such a great defensive awareness it's not funny. Dude has a nack to block shots. He couldn't buy a bucket but I was impressed with his defense. Not the best time to bring him to SA, but he needs a better environment to be developed than Asvell.

It looks like that he is a guy that plays up to the challenge. He showed that on Nike Hoops a few years ago and he showed it yesterday. He could be our Draymond Green.

[AFBlue]

That one play where LJC had a block on one end, ran the court and finished on the other end. :wow

[AFBlue]

O_V, good grades and observations...on-point throughout.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Highlights of Livio's block party..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_87HC_Ki06Y

What a pass by Bertans. I can really see these two dudes playing well together in the future.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

He looked taller than that to me. It might have just been his game.

He has a 7'2" wingspan. Basically the same height as AK47, but doesn't as long as AK has a 7'4" wingspan. Plus he has the court awareness and vertical to be a very effective shot blocker.

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He has a 7'2" wingspan. Basically the same height as AK47, but doesn't as long as AK has a 7'4" wingspan. Plus he has the court awareness and vertical to be a very effective shot blocker.

That certainly could be it. Lalanne is supposed to be 6'10", and LJC looked (to me) to be the bigger guy when they were on the court together. Maybe it's just the bigger frame and longer arms.

[Chinook]

He looked taller than that to me. It might have just been his game.

We're not used to the Spurs' bigs jumping much. LJC is tall, long and a good leaper, so he probably covers more ground that Duncan or Splitter.

[ceperez]

That certainly could be it. Lalanne is supposed to be 6'10", and LJC looked (to me) to be the bigger guy when they were on the court together. Maybe it's just the bigger frame and longer arms.

It would be scary if this guy grew taller after he got drafted in 2013. He is only 21 years old, I wouldn't be surprised.

What is damn impressive was his block on Okafor. Okafor was right there for a layup and with nobody near him, a fraction of a second later you find LJC up in the air contesting the layup not with one hand but with both hands!! How the hell did he get there so quickly?

I can't see the Spurs not locking him up long term!