Raymond Green is overrated AF

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Where’s the clip of Green rim checking a dunk in the clutch?

I’m still laughing at that one.

[Ditty]

Deez Nuts is playing like shit so far in game 7.

[r0drig0lac]

Durbitch is just a weak and weak guy

[cjw]

If the refs called any of those fouls on Harden threes it’s a 7 point swing (got a layup after one of the missed calls) and if the refs called moving screens on the Warriors, that’s another 6 points.

Glad Houston is dealing with what everyone else has complained about for years.

[spursistan]

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How can one be a fan of this disgrace? :lmao..

Lebron dropped 50 on his bum ass and he is taunting like pathetic little child.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^He was taunting Kendrick Perkins, not LeBron..

[TheDoctor]

At the end of the Series, he’ll have as many Championships as LBJ :wow

[exstatic]

^^He was taunting Kendrick Perkins, not LeBron..

I think the point is, if you've just had a 50 point colonoscopy, you probably shouldn't be taunting anyone.

[RD2191]

I think the point is, if you've just had a 50 point colonoscopy, you probably shouldn't be taunting anyone.
:lol

[SpursBig3s]

What a loser

[daslicer]

Saw someone on twitter say it the best when he said Draymond is that loud obnoxious fat ugly girl you see at the club who thinks she's as attractive as her skinny friends.

[spursistan]

I think the point is, if you've just had a 50 point colonoscopy, you probably shouldn't be taunting anyone.
:lol

[hater]

:lmao this thread

[HarlemHeat37]

Steve Kerr: "Draymond is the best defensive player I've ever seen, only Scottie is with him"

:lol what disrespect to Tim and Robinson, tbh..

[ElNono]

Steve Kerr: "Draymond is the best defensive player I've ever seen, only Scottie is with him"

:lol what disrespect to Tim and Robinson, tbh..

:lol love Kerr, but his constant pimping of Raymond for personal awards is disgusting, tbh...

[daslicer]

Steve Kerr: "Draymond is the best defensive player I've ever seen, only Scottie is with him"

:lol what disrespect to Tim and Robinson, tbh..

Not surprising since Kerr is their coach. All coaches overrate their players.

[Mikeanaro]

Well, this thread is hitting the 3 years old mark.
I doubt any team could give Ray the supermax, I mean he really is DeJuan Blair now.

[spursistan]

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Damn..

Really hoping they pull a 2004 Lakers and implode from within :lol..

[Mr. Body]

1104943642261770241

Damn..

Really hoping they pull a 2004 Lakers and implode from within :lol..

We're all so fucking tired of Draymond, too.

[R. DeMurre]

He's a unique player, but I think he'll always carry the stigma of being the main reason a 73 win team lost in the finals... as he should.

[ZeusWillJudge]

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Damn..

Really hoping they pull a 2004 Lakers and implode from within :lol..



:lmao That really is exactly what he said. Tell us now how there's no issues with chemistry on the Warriors.


I just saw the full clip. It's really, "I'm so fucking tired of Draymond's shit". Beautiful!

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Dude is about to watch Durant get a max contract and Klay get a max contract and he's going to be offered the MLE. There's going to be really bad blood this summer and nobody in the media is doing the proper hyping of it. I mean Draymond is a loud talking faggot who is about to get low balled by his team and I can see some real WWE war of words beef between him and Durant/Warriors.

[John B]

I love it. I hope they continue to implode.

I’m no fan, but he’s a Rodman. If you could control his antics, he’d be great. I don’t think he’s overrated. If he’s in your team, you’ll be a fan because he goes to war. But his pride needs to be stroked because he feels he belongs, and Durant was a ringchaser, so I could emphatize with the guy. Again I wish they continue to implode because him and Curry are the real leaders of that team. Curry sets the pace, while Draymond gives them defensive edge. Durant could afford to play great feeding from those two, and Klay.

[exstatic]

I love it. I hope they continue to implode.

I’m no fan, but he’s a Rodman. If you could control his antics, he’d be great. I don’t think he’s overrated. If he’s in your team, you’ll be a fan because he goes to war. But his pride needs to be stroked because he feels he belongs, and Durant was a ringchaser, so I could emphasize with the guy. Again I wish they continue to implode because him and Curry are the real leaders of that team. Curry sets the pace, while Draymond gives them defensive edge. Durant could afford to play great feeding from those two, and Klay.

Durant was a ring chaser...BECAUSE OF DRAYMOND. He's one of those players who thinks he's a lot better than he actually is. Any damage he's managed to do in the NBA is because he's a 4th or sometimes 5th option on offense, and no one pays very much attention to him because they're guarding the actual threats on offense. If he had been drafted by the T-Wolves, he'd probably be out of the league by now.

Oh, and he hired Rich Paul as his new agent. LOL.

[R. DeMurre]

Weird that "ring chaser" would be used as a negative term. Isn't that the point of it all? I've always been on Durant's side of this issue. If I was a 20-something year old superstar with the option of playing with Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook, I'd choose Curry every time. Russ is bursting with natural talent but plays the wrong way-- low efficiency, low BB IQ, terrible end of game decision-making, ridiculous usage rate. No coach can keep him under control. Durant would've been a fool to hang his entire career and chance of getting a ring on Westbrook.

[superbigtime]

I hated them too much to watch... do you mind elaborating for haters like me?

[John B]

Weird that "ring chaser" would be used as a negative term. Isn't that the point of it all? I've always been on Durant's side of this issue. If I was a 20-something year old superstar with the option of playing with Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook, I'd choose Curry every time. Russ is bursting with natural talent but plays the wrong way-- low efficiency, low BB IQ, terrible end of game decision-making, ridiculous usage rate. No coach can keep him under control. Durant would've been a fool to hang his entire career and chance of getting a ring on Westbrook.
I used the ring chaser, because they were winning without Durant and would continue to win, but eventually Dubs would offer Durant the max and Draymond with the MLE. I mean I’m loving the drama, but just to clarify. Ring chaser is not as bad, but would not get my respect compare to leaders who build within. Cannot be my top if you’re a ring chaser.

[R. DeMurre]

I used the ring chaser, because they were winning without Durant and would continue to win, but eventually Dubs would offer Durant the max and Draymond with the MLE. I mean I’m loving the drama, but just to clarify. Ring chaser is not as bad, but would not get my respect compare to leaders who build within. Cannot be my top if you’re a ring chaser.


But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.

[John B]

But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.
Had he stayed with Westbrook, Harden still in the team, Ibaka and now Adams, they could be the Dubs with multiple championships. I would put Durant up there, top 5. IF Westbrook played right.

[R. DeMurre]

Had he stayed with Westbrook, Harden still in the team, Ibaka and now Adams, they could be the Dubs with multiple championships. I would put Durant up there, top 5. IF Westbrook played right.


Yeah, but Harden leaving wasn't Durant's fault. Harden being traded to save money was probably one of the factors along with Westbrook that made him leave.

[exstatic]

Yeah, but Harden leaving wasn't Durant's fault. Harden being traded to save money was probably one of the factors along with Westbrook that made him leave.

Clay Bennett is SO stupid. I really think that he thought they could draft or acquire another Harden. This is why owners shouldn't make basketball decisions.

[diego]

But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.

right, because the only two teams in the league he could sign with were the dubs and okc... he could have easily gone to boston for example. he could have also asked okc to trade westbrook and they would have done whatever he asked. He also could have told okc his plans instead of acting like he was resigning then flipping at the last second to sign for the team he just choked a 3-1 lead to...

[Mikeanaro]

Yeah, but Harden leaving wasn't Durant's fault. Harden being traded to save money was probably one of the factors along with Westbrook that made him leave.
Not just money, Harden left the team because he wanted to be a starter, not a 6th man.
It worked for him, at least to sell tickets score a lot and achieve nothing relevant.

[exstatic]

Not just money, Harden left the team because he wanted to be a starter, not a 6th man.
It worked for him, at least to sell tickets score a lot and achieve nothing relevant.

Technically, Harden didn't 'leave'. By all accounts, he wanted to stay in OKC, and was as shocked as anyone by the trade. Now, I'm sure he's not disappointed by what has happened since, but I think that, barring that idiot OKC owner, he'd still be there today.

[NameLess Scrub]

But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.

I half agree. I applaud him leaving Westbrook (he might have asked them to trade Westbrook), but he could pick a different team that actually needed him as a main star for contending.

He chose the easy way, and pretended they needed him just because they lost the finals, which we all know happened more because of injuries and Draymond's antics.

Every year he can turn it on in the last couple of games and win an FMVP.



I love it. I hope they continue to implode.

I’m no fan, but he’s a Rodman. If you could control his antics, he’d be great. I don’t think he’s overrated. If he’s in your team, you’ll be a fan because he goes to war. But his pride needs to be stroked because he feels he belongs, and Durant was a ringchaser, so I could emphatize with the guy. Again I wish they continue to implode because him and Curry are the real leaders of that team. Curry sets the pace, while Draymond gives them defensive edge. Durant could afford to play great feeding from those two, and Klay.

We shouldn't underestimate how much easier the rest of the lineup can make the game for him.

[Mikeanaro]

Technically, Harden didn't 'leave'. By all accounts, he wanted to stay in OKC, and was as shocked as anyone by the trade. Now, I'm sure he's not disappointed by what has happened since, but I think that, barring that idiot OKC owner, he'd still be there today.
There was also that factor that they chose to pay more Ibaka than him, KD leaving was the final bomb, that team is ruined lol those guys who were saying Presti was a genius.

[Phenomanul]

The crazy part is that all three of them have been perennial MVP contenders in the last 3 to 4 years...

[R. DeMurre]

Interview with Green:

Do you have any regrets?
None.

How does the 2016 Finals suspension sit with you?
I don't regret it because if it happened again, I'd do the same exact thing. I'm a man, and that'll always take precedence over any basketball game. I'll put it like this: If you're in your office working, in the position that I was in, getting up off the floor, and I walked in your office and stepped over your shoulder, your reaction is probably going to be [shoves his forearm into the sky]. So I was in my office. Someone stepped over me. [Makes the same motion.] Period.

Do you believe you cost your team a title?
Yeah, I do. It changed the series for sure. But I also don't think we would've won these last two [championships] if we won that one. Everything happens for a reason, and I learned so much from that. It helped shape who I am today. But I take the blame for it. It's OK.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty)

[spurraider21]

Technically, Harden didn't 'leave'. By all accounts, he wanted to stay in OKC, and was as shocked as anyone by the trade. Now, I'm sure he's not disappointed by what has happened since, but I think that, barring that idiot OKC owner, he'd still be there today.
harden agreed to accept a reduced, super-sub role. he didnt agree to take a discount, though. by tying up a combined 20 mil per year on perkins/ibaka, they weren't able to pay harden the ~18 he wanted and instead offered something like 12-14 iirc. i specifically remember perkins' 8 mil salary being more than the gap between harden/okc

[baseline bum]

Oh, and he hired Rich Paul as his new agent. LOL.

Damn watching Green go to LA, take their max slot, and them missing the playoffs again would be must see TV :lol

[R. DeMurre]

Damn watching Green go to LA, take their max slot, and them missing the playoffs again would be must see TV :lol


Imagine if all the other big names FAs say no, and the Lakers get Draymond and Cousins?! What a shitshow that would be.

[baseline bum]

Imagine if all the other big names FAs say no, and the Lakers get Draymond and Cousins?! What a shitshow that would be.

They don't have enough capspace to get both. They could max out Green and then have about MLE left to offer after if they stay at their projected pick #13.

[baseline bum]

Shit, Raymond's not a FA until 2020 anyways.

[JPB]

Harden wanted his own team... Anyone thinking he would have agreed to a "reduced role" and less money just to stay with his "bros" are incredibly delusional about the guy's (and any star's) ego...

[r0drig0lac]

Weird that "ring chaser" would be used as a negative term. Isn't that the point of it all? I've always been on Durant's side of this issue. If I was a 20-something year old superstar with the option of playing with Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook, I'd choose Curry every time. Russ is bursting with natural talent but plays the wrong way-- low efficiency, low BB IQ, terrible end of game decision-making, ridiculous usage rate. No coach can keep him under control. Durant would've been a fool to hang his entire career and chance of getting a ring on Westbrook.

Durant always had a top 3 roster in all his prime (in okc) and the only time he did not have a superstar at his side, lost in 5 games for the grizzilies,he run to the team that did not win by his own incompetence, breaking the league, by potentialize a team that was already a level above its greater competition, he is not able to take teams to title and is receiving an undue status, he is only the weakest superstar in the history of sports.

I can not understand anyone who stays on the side of Durant, when he had one of the biggest help of any superstar since the beginning of his career, only Curry, Magic and Kobe had something similar in my opinion.

[NameLess Scrub]

Interview with Green:

Do you have any regrets?
None.

How does the 2016 Finals suspension sit with you?
I don't regret it because if it happened again, I'd do the same exact thing. I'm a man, and that'll always take precedence over any basketball game. I'll put it like this: If you're in your office working, in the position that I was in, getting up off the floor, and I walked in your office and stepped over your shoulder, your reaction is probably going to be [shoves his forearm into the sky]. So I was in my office. Someone stepped over me. [Makes the same motion.] Period.

Do you believe you cost your team a title?
Yeah, I do. It changed the series for sure. But I also don't think we would've won these last two [championships] if we won that one. Everything happens for a reason, and I learned so much from that. It helped shape who I am today. But I take the blame for it. It's OK.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty)

Well at least he accepts the blame. The rest of his take seems kind of dumb though.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Well at least he accepts the blame. The rest of his take seems kind of dumb though.

Typical Raymond. He doesn't give any credit at all to the roids.

[UncleDennis]

Interview with Green:

Do you have any regrets?
None.

How does the 2016 Finals suspension sit with you?
I don't regret it because if it happened again, I'd do the same exact thing. I'm a man, and that'll always take precedence over any basketball game. I'll put it like this: If you're in your office working, in the position that I was in, getting up off the floor, and I walked in your office and stepped over your shoulder, your reaction is probably going to be [shoves his forearm into the sky]. So I was in my office. Someone stepped over me. [Makes the same motion.] Period.

Do you believe you cost your team a title?
Yeah, I do. It changed the series for sure. But I also don't think we would've won these last two [championships] if we won that one. Everything happens for a reason, and I learned so much from that. It helped shape who I am today. But I take the blame for it. It's OK.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty)


He learned soooo much from the experience that he would do the exact same thing in the same situation if it happened again.

[Seventyniner]

He learned soooo much from the experience that he would do the exact same thing in the same situation if it happened again.

His retroactive justification is absurd. Winning the next two titles doesn't make what he did a good, or even defensible, thing.

[NameLess Scrub]

His retroactive justification is absurd. Winning the next two titles doesn't make what he did a good, or even defensible, thing.


He learned soooo much from the experience that he would do the exact same thing in the same situation if it happened again.


Typical Raymond. He doesn't give any credit at all to the roids.

:lol :lol

That Draymond logic

[Mikeanaro]

Durant always had a top 3 roster in all his prime (in okc) and the only time he did not have a superstar at his side, lost in 5 games for the grizzilies,he run to the team that did not win by his own incompetence, breaking the league, by potentialize a team that was already a level above its greater competition, he is not able to take teams to title and is receiving an undue status, he is only the weakest superstar in the history of sports.

I can not understand anyone who stays on the side of Durant, when he had one of the biggest help of any superstar since the beginning of his career, only Curry, Magic and Kobe had something similar in my opinion.
Lol at these ring chaser ¨supporters¨ the idea of winning a ring is by competing for it, not going to a 73-0 team so you dont earn it.
Even Durant said like in 2010 going to other teams was BS, he wanted to compete like everyone else.
Funny how after switching his standards he got caught using 2 twitter accounts defending himself like a 3 year old, deep inside he knows those championships aint worth a turd.

[MultiTroll]

Well at least he accepts the blame. The rest of his take seems kind of dumb though.
To the contrary, he self aggrandizes with the They Would Have Won it With Me blathering.

What's that all about imo.

[MultiTroll]

Unreal none of those on the receving end of his nutt kicks have not flattened him.
Adams of OKC was one of the best choices imo.

[NameLess Scrub]

To the contrary, he self aggrandizes with the They Would Have Won it With Me blathering.

Haven't seen it that way. Thanks :lol

What's that all about imo.


Unreal none of those on the receving end of his nutt kicks have not flattened him.
Adams of OKC was one of the best choices imo.

If they know they wouldn't be suspended they probably would :lol

[ElNono]

Damn, bullied by Trey Lyles :lol

What a fraud

[dabom6]

Damn, bullied by Trey Lyles :lol

What a fraud

Where's his 30 points at brah. :lol

[ElNono]

Where's his 30 points at brah. :lol

muh triple double :cry

[james evans]

And they gave this fucker a DPOY award

[timtonymanu]

Elite role player but was never a star or a franchise player for sure. Rich mans Dejuan like OP said

[Fusternino]

That tax bill . . .

[sananspursfan21]

Raymond getting exposed as an above average “effort stat” player. Nothing more to see here tbh.

[daslicer]

Elite role player but was never a star or a franchise player for sure. Rich mans Dejuan like OP said

I said he was Dejuan Blair with good passing and some posters in here went crazy when I said it.

[ezau]

Draymond's the millennial version of Boris Diaw

[SpurPadre]

A few years ago, he once said in a local radio show that the only other team he'd play for is a Pop-coached team. Of course, PATFO would never go for a headcase like him, tbh.

[ElNono]

A few years ago, he once said in a local radio show that the only other team he'd play for is a Pop-coached team. Of course, PATFO would never go for a headcase like him, tbh.

Do not want. We already have poodle and lyles

[timtonymanu]

Do not want. We already have poodle and lyles

Would you take him over “ muh touches” though?

[ElNono]

Would you take him over “ muh touches” though?

Lateral move at best... do not want either tbh

[sasaint]

Lateral move at best... do not want either tbh

GOOD ANSWER! No need to trade one headcase for a headcase of a slightly different variety.

[cd98]

What’s sad is he has more all star appearances than Manu.

[Seventyniner]

What’s sad is he has more all star appearances than Manu.

A fucking travesty.

No, this needs a stronger word.

https://groups.tapatalk-cdn.com/hotlinkimg/bf89143a61a8f7a8caa5dad458bf8a1b4af26be1

[SAGirl]

What’s sad is he has more all star appearances than Manu.
Definitely owes his teammates for that.

Nono got this one right, but we already knew that.

[DAF86]

"Top 10 player in the league" :lmao

[phxspurfan]

Restricted free agent. Never was a viable target.

fuck happened to this dude

[XDT76]

And they gave this fucker a DPOY award

Not very difficult when the refs swallow their whistle whenever he fouled.

[tapiefan]

And now, he's faking an injury just to avoid to be exposed without all his all-star buddies to carry him. Better to say you're injured and protect your fake legacy, instead of being part of a 60-L record team. Clown.

[BackHome]

Ok they say Klay will only be out 6 months after tearing his ACL - BS
Now they saying 3 Months for broken bone in Curry hand - BS

[exstatic]

Ok they say Klay will only be out 6 months after tearing his ACL - BS
Now they saying 3 Months for broken bone in Curry hand - BS

3 months for the hand sounds right, but 6 months for an ACL is just a fantasy.

[sasaint]

And now, he's faking an injury just to avoid to be exposed without all his all-star buddies to carry him. Better to say you're injured and protect your fake legacy, instead of being part of a 60-L record team. Clown.

Or to tank even harder and get an even higher draft pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

“"There were definitely less fans there tonight, which is to be expected," Green, 29, said after Golden State fell to 1-4. "It's a different vibe, for sure. When you're not winning as much, that's usually the case. The hope is that people ride with you through the thick and the thin, but that's just not the reality of this world that we live in, so it is what it is. We got each other and we're going to rock with that, and that's all that matters."”

lol Draymond already throwing the fans under the bus. They made up an injury to prevent Russel from playing as well. It's getting funnier every minute, but I really don't want them to net a high draft pick

[timtonymanu]

Draymond's the millennial version of Boris Diaw

I'd take 2014 Boris over Draymond, tbh.

[ezau]

To be fair, Draymond's overrated, but he's a high-IQ player who knows how to play and win in today's NBA.

[ElNono]

I’m here to collect, tbh. Complete product of Curry, absolute fraud.

[Spurs Homer]

I’m here to collect, tbh. Complete product of Curry, absolute fraud.

gaymond put this team on his back- just look at their record!

oh wait!

[Genovaswitness]

I’m here to collect, tbh. Complete product of Curry, absolute fraud.

dude can only hit open 3s, and even then he does it at a shitty clip.

[koriwhat]

From row 12, it didn't look like he did much last night but bark at his teammates and jack up 3s.

[Capt Bringdown]

100 million deal plus this:

Draymond Green scores big with advertisers --> (https://theundefeated.com/features/draymond-green-golden-state-warriors-forward-scores-big-with-advertisers/)

That's quite the charmed life for so little production/skill.

[KobesAchilles]

I’m here to collect, tbh. Complete product of Curry, absolute fraud.
The dude is nothing without Klay and Curry. Anybody with eyes could see that. He never guarded the best players (that was Klay and Iggy) and his supposed high IQ was him doing a bunch of 4 vs 3 bc of teams double teaming Curry 35 feet from the basket. Most overrated player since Ben Wallace tbh

[Prime BEEF]

The dude is nothing without Klay and Curry. Anybody with eyes could see that. He never guarded the best players (that was Klay and Iggy) and his supposed high IQ was him doing a bunch of 4 vs 3 bc of teams double teaming Curry 35 feet from the basket. Most overrated player since Ben Wallace tbh
Yup

he’s a good role player that was able to thrive because of the focus on curry and Klay. If he doesn’t understand that now, I’m sure their FO does and won’t sign him to another big contract or big extension.

[BD24]

The dude is nothing without Klay and Curry. Anybody with eyes could see that. He never guarded the best players (that was Klay and Iggy) and his supposed high IQ was him doing a bunch of 4 vs 3 bc of teams double teaming Curry 35 feet from the basket. Most overrated player since Ben Wallace tbh
Don’t compare this faggot to Big Ben.

I think Wallace was rated appropriately. An elite defensive player with pretty much no offense. I didn’t see anyone calling him a top 10 or 20 player in the league like they were with this homo

[Coach X]

Draymond Green is hateful but he is an amazing player. He's exactly the player that Warriors team needed to success. Curry, Thompson, Kerr wouldn't have converted the Warriors in a basketball machine without him. He's the locker room leader, the heart and the brain on the court. Surrounded by executors, Green is the real court general, responsible of leading defensive execution. His strong character made him the only one allowed to manage the egos, including Durant. I dare to say Curry, Thompson, etc wouldn't have a ring without Green next to them. Probably Green wouldn't have one without them either.

From a coaching perspective I say this: it's harder to find a profile like Green than a 25pt/game scorer. His basketball IQ and competition acumen exceed the addition of all of current Spurs players'.

[JeffDuncan]

... I dare to say Curry, Thompson, etc wouldn't have a ring without Green next to them. ...



I dare to say your New Year's resolution must have been to write something crazy.

[Spurs Homer]

Draymond Green is hateful but he is an amazing player. He's exactly the player that Warriors team needed to success. Curry, Thompson, Kerr wouldn't have converted the Warriors in a basketball machine without him. He's the locker room leader, the heart and the brain on the court. Surrounded by executors, Green is the real court general, responsible of leading defensive execution. His strong character made him the only one allowed to manage the egos, including Durant. I dare to say Curry, Thompson, etc wouldn't have a ring without Green next to them. Probably Green wouldn't have one without them either.

From a coaching perspective I say this: it's harder to find a profile like Green than a 25pt/game scorer. His basketball IQ and competition acumen exceed the addition of all of current Spurs players'.

God damn right!

The warriors - with Green leading them now - will probably run away with the #1 seed!


oh shit - wait!


he fucking sucks balls.

[MultiTroll]

gaymond put this team on his back- just look at their record!

oh wait!
Leader.

[KobesAchilles]

Don’t compare this faggot to Big Ben.

I think Wallace was rated appropriately. An elite defensive player with pretty much no offense. I didn’t see anyone calling him a top 10 or 20 player in the league like they were with this homo
The dude won like 4 DPOYs, stealing one from Duncan (and Bowen) in the process. The dude was seen as the greatest defensive big man of his generation:lol He got so much hype as a player. I don’t want to go into it bc you’ve clearly forgotten his hype during his day but it was ridiculous. People were calling him the best player on the Pistons. The Bulls were considered championship contenders bc they signed the bum!

[cd98]

Green has made more all star teams than Manu. That just doesn’t seem right.

[spurraider21]

watching the olympics has had me appreciate the guy quite a bit. clearly one of the leaders out there.

much like how lakerfan was conditioned to hate lebron because they were sensitive kobe stans, most spurfans were conditioned to hate draymond because they were sensitive kawhi stans (when they would compete for DPOY and such)

[spurraider21]

Lebron and Kobe can carry a team. Raymond Green. :lmao
i didnt compare green to lebron or kobe

poor reading comprehension

[spurraider21]

the bbiq and awareness :wow

1423861831580327946

[daslicer]

watching the olympics has had me appreciate the guy quite a bit. clearly one of the leaders out there.

much like how lakerfan was conditioned to hate lebron because they were sensitive kobe stans, most spurfans were conditioned to hate draymond because they were sensitive kawhi stans (when they would compete for DPOY and such)

Not just Spurs fans but most fans from what I have read on other forums didn't like him because he's a douchebag and a scrub player unless he's on a stacked team then he looks half way decent. If you look at all my posts in this thread I can definitely say I didn't like him because I viewed him as a glorified role player that was hyped up as an all-star and not because of him stealing DPOY awards from Kawhi.

Don't know why you bumped this thread other than trying to give yourself an ego boost since you were one of the few who were passionately defending him in this thread. I haven't changed my mind about him and I doubt anybody who was against him from the beginning has changed their mind.

[daslicer]

watching the olympics has had me appreciate the guy quite a bit. clearly one of the leaders out there.

much like how lakerfan was conditioned to hate lebron because they were sensitive kobe stans, most spurfans were conditioned to hate draymond because they were sensitive kawhi stans (when they would compete for DPOY and such)

Not just Spurs fans but most fans from what I have read on other forums didn't like him because he's a douchebag and a scrub player unless he's on a stacked team then he looks half way decent. If you look at all my posts in this thread I can definitely say I didn't like him because I viewed him as a glorified role player that was hyped up as an all-star and not because of him stealing DPOY awards from Kawhi.

Don't know why you bumped this thread other than trying to give yourself an ego boost since you were one of the few who were passionately defending him in this thread. I haven't changed my mind about him and I doubt anybody who was against him from the beginning has changed their mind.

[spurraider21]

yeah but spurfans were especially salty about draymond because he would get "best defensive player in the league" talk at the same time as kawhi

[The Truth #6]

Wow. 56 pages for Green??

[spurraider21]

Wow. 56 pages for Green??
yep. motivated hatred. you should see how much discussion lebron used to get on laker forums during his cavs/heat days :lol

[ElNono]

still overrated... no surprise here that he finally wins something again once he's teamed up with KD again...

[daslicer]

yeah but spurfans were especially salty about draymond because he would get "best defensive player in the league" talk at the same time as kawhi

I get why they were salty since Kawhi was a better defensive player than Draymond.

[daslicer]

the bbiq and awareness :wow

1423861831580327946

How about posting the clips where the backup center Moustapha Falls was easily getting buckets against Draymond in the post that Pop had to take him out of the game. You wouldn't show those clips because it goes against your narrative.

[spurraider21]

still overrated... no surprise here that he finally wins something again once he's teamed up with KD again...
he was a champion before KD ever joined GSW

[ElNono]

he was a champion before KD ever joined GSW

Riding Curry...

[spurraider21]

Riding Curry...
or Iguodala

[tbdog]

How about posting the clips where the backup center Moustapha Falls was easily getting buckets against Draymond in the post that Pop had to take him out of the game. You wouldn't show those clips because it goes against your narrative.

Exactly. Draymond is a product to the new era of rule changes. Fiba is more physical and he looked outmatched.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Not just Spurs fans but most fans from what I have read on other forums didn't like him because he's a douchebag and a scrub player unless he's on a stacked team then he looks half way decent. If you look at all my posts in this thread I can definitely say I didn't like him because I viewed him as a glorified role player that was hyped up as an all-star and not because of him stealing DPOY awards from Kawhi.

Don't know why you bumped this thread other than trying to give yourself an ego boost since you were one of the few who were passionately defending him in this thread. I haven't changed my mind about him and I doubt anybody who was against him from the beginning has changed their mind.

This x 1,000,000

[slick'81]

Exactly. Draymond is a product to the new era of rule changes. Fiba is more physical and he looked outmatched.


Fall is 7'2, of course he was out matched :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah dude is a role player. But it was insane to think that people had him Top 10 or top 15 player in the league at one point. Idk how many people I had to debate that he is overrated AF. That being said, if you have a stacked team then he is the exact player you want to be on it. Dude plays his role perfectly, doesn’t whine about touches, and is a vocal leader. But you can’t put him on any team that isn’t stacked and expect to be a contender anymore.

Golden St ruined their future with their drafting and their run is finished and I love it.

[tbdog]

Fall is 7'2, of course he was out matched :lol

Fall wouldn't score on Draymond in the NBA.

[daslicer]

Yeah dude is a role player. But it was insane to think that people had him Top 10 or top 15 player in the league at one point. Idk how many people I had to debate that he is overrated AF. That being said, if you have a stacked team then he is the exact player you want to be on it. Dude plays his role perfectly, doesn’t whine about touches, and is a vocal leader. But you can’t put him on any team that isn’t stacked and expect to be a contender anymore.

Golden St ruined their future with their drafting and their run is finished and I love it.

He's like a Horry,Fisher. Just like those players he can't be effective unless he's on a contender.

[John B]

Draymond is 6’6”. On this Keldon looks just a little bit taller.https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/ef065199-9171-4728-aac7-e0fdc9f34314

Edit: I can’t seem to download the picture with them side by side. Draymond praising Keldon thst he brought energy than anybody, which is what they needed.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Green did pretty well in the olympics, probably more valuable to the team than Lillard, tbh. But the unsung hero for the men’s team was Holiday. Not sure they medal without his defense out there.

[slick'81]

Fall wouldn't score on Draymond in the NBA.

Why not?

[timtonymanu]

Love reading this any time Raymond melts down or has bad games :lol

Blair with ACLs :lol

[exstatic]

Love reading this any time Raymond melts down or has bad games :lol

Blair with ACLs :lol

I think he also realizes that with the new CBA, his time with GS is almost certainly over. The Punch didn’t help.

[Mr. Body]

They never really had great team chemistry before. They always had to act chippy and 'against it' in order to get along, partly because the team depends on two of the biggest nepo-babies we've seen in a while in Curry and Thompson. Kerr helped with his whining about absolutely everything. Getting Durant in the most pathetic signing in sports history, the league ignoring the constant moving screens, the fouls, Durant being out of bounds and saving balls with no call, and facing injured opponents constantly in the playoffs helped.

But now their chemistry is awful. They clearly don't like each other. And the worms in Draymond's head are squirming their way even deeper into his impulse control.

[spurraider21]

dno how you could have watched, say, the pre-durant warriors and say those guys didnt have great chemistry

[baseline bum]

Riding Curry...

Though if Curry would have shown up in Game 7 like Raymond did they wouldn't have wasted their 73-9 season.

[spurraider21]

Though if Curry would have shown up in Game 7 like Raymond did they wouldn't have wasted their 73-9 season.
spurstalk will (correctly) look back at boris diaw fondly as a frontcourt passer/playmaker. he averaged over 5 assists per game exactly 1 time in his career. raymond has averaged over 6 apg for 8 straight seasons, while also consistently being one of the best and versatile defenders in the NBA throughout his career. we'd be extremely fortunate if sochan became another draymond

still convinced spurstalk hates draymond because he used to get "best defender in the league" talk during the time when we loved #2 for the same. just like how rapist fans all hated lebron during kobe's career

[baseline bum]

spurstalk will (correctly) look back at boris diaw fondly as a frontcourt passer/playmaker. he averaged over 5 assists per game exactly 1 time in his career. raymond has averaged over 6 apg for 8 straight seasons, while also consistently being one of the best and versatile defenders in the NBA throughout his career. we'd be extremely fortunate if sochan became another draymond

still convinced spurstalk hates draymond because he used to get "best defender in the league" talk during the time when we loved #2 for the same. just like how rapist fans all hated lebron during kobe's career

I would have killed to have a guy like Draymond on the team from 2008-17. His 32/15/9 in Game 7 of the 2016 Finals would have gone down as the greatest role player performance in playoff history if Curry didn't piss that game away. Though he gets a lot of hate for being a straight dirty player just like Bruce Bowen did everywhere outside of San Antonio, so I get it.

[Mr. Body]

dno how you could have watched, say, the pre-durant warriors and say those guys didnt have great chemistry

They're basically a bunch of rich kids living in a rich area with bandwagon fans who dont know anything about basketball.

[Mr. Body]

spurstalk will (correctly) look back at boris diaw fondly as a frontcourt passer/playmaker. he averaged over 5 assists per game exactly 1 time in his career. raymond has averaged over 6 apg for 8 straight seasons, while also consistently being one of the best and versatile defenders in the NBA throughout his career. we'd be extremely fortunate if sochan became another draymond

still convinced spurstalk hates draymond because he used to get "best defender in the league" talk during the time when we loved #2 for the same. just like how rapist fans all hated lebron during kobe's career

Boris played in one of the most intense defensive eras in basketball history when scores were regularly in the 80s-90s. He played with Nash, who was first second and third passing option on their team. Draymond plays in an era where it's impossible to play defense with two of the best shooters the game has seen, an era when scores are regularly in the 120s-130s.

I haven't seen a GSW-Denver game where Draymond didn't jam his fingers into Nicola Jokic's eyesockets. Seriously it happens every time. This series, he's already very deliberately 'accidentally' clawed Lyles in the face and is very clearly trying to hurt Sabonis whenever possible.

There are reasons. You just got to actually care when someone is trying to physically injure people.

[ambchang]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.

[spurraider21]

:cry we hate him for his loud mouth and personality

we loved jack for that until he wasnt with the team anymore :lol

[ChumpDumper]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.

Green had to be suspended one game at the very least. That shit can't be rewarded.

[spurraider21]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.
suspension was completely justified. i wouldnt have disagreed if it was 2 games tbh

[Seventyniner]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.

imo the suspension should be however many games Sabonis misses plus one.

[jjspur]

suspension was completely justified. i wouldnt have disagreed if it was 2 games tbh

I'm actually surprised it didn't go to 2 games. Its one thing to intentionally foul, its another to angrily stomp on a guy. Yeah the suspension was completely justified.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Draymond sucks ass. I'm hoping the Warriors get swept, but there have been a sh!t-ton of 0-2 comebacks the last couple of playoffs.

[JPB]

Did I just read someone suggesting Green was better than Bobo?

[TD 21]

The national coverage is predictably completely biased. Way too many Warriors fanboys/girls (Andrew, Spears, Lowe are some of the worst) in the media who can't be objective with anything involving them.

Now they've got their built in excuse if the Kings finish the job, while somehow pretending he's a victim and that they're not in the midst of the luckiest run in history.

[Mr. Body]

The national coverage is predictably completely biased. Way too many Warriors fanboys/girls (Andrew, Spears, Lowe are some of the worst) in the media who can't be objective with anything involving them.

Now they've got their built in excuse if the Kings finish the job, while somehow pretending he's a victim and that they're not in the midst of the luckiest run in history.

The media about Greene is pathetic. He's been trying to hurt Sabonis since the start of the series.

[slick'81]

Mini arvydas shitting on warriors

[daslicer]

The national coverage is predictably completely biased. Way too many Warriors fanboys/girls (Andrew, Spears, Lowe are some of the worst) in the media who can't be objective with anything involving them.

Now they've got their built in excuse if the Kings finish the job, while somehow pretending he's a victim and that they're not in the midst of the luckiest run in history.

The gaslighting the media is doing for Draymond is insane. I feel in this current media environment that Draymond could go shoot someone with a gun during a game and they would still find way to paint Draymond as the victim by saying something stupid such as "You can't blame Draymond he was threatened, and his life was at stake anybody would do the same in that situation."

I wonder where all these biases come from within the media. The only thing that I can reason with is these guys' bosses have told them to slurp the Warriors as much as possible for greed since the Warriors in their eyes equals ratings and money.

[ambchang]

So now it is Sabonis is dirty? WTH? Oh, he's not a dirty player, he just has dirty plays. What does that even mean?

Of all the plays he wanted to call out the one Sabonis had a light shove for a rebound? Really? This is comical.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2023/04/19/jj-redick-referees-favoring-kings-over-warriors-playoff-series/11698036002/

[daslicer]

So now it is Sabonis is dirty? WTH? Oh, he's not a dirty player, he just has dirty plays. What does that even mean?

Of all the plays he wanted to call out the one Sabonis had a light shove for a rebound? Really? This is comical.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2023/04/19/jj-redick-referees-favoring-kings-over-warriors-playoff-series/11698036002/

JJ is a clown it's also well-known he is good friends with Draymond. He's done a few podcasts with him so he's going to be ridiculously biased in Draymond's favor.

[spurraider21]

Did I just read someone suggesting Green was better than Bobo?
was more than a suggestion

[TD 21]

I wonder where all these biases come from within the media. The only thing that I can reason with is these guys' bosses have told them to slurp the Warriors as much as possible for greed since the Warriors in their eyes equals ratings and money.

As I've been saying for years, no one has played the game within' the game like the Warriors (Craptors are a close second).

Granted, Kerr was essentially in the media as a broadcaster for a while and in a sense, Myers was too (agents use national big wigs to filter information) and they along with Lacob, Curry, Thompson and Green are all media friendly and their style of play is appealing to casuals so they're good for business as well, but still.

The lack of objectivity is appalling.

[rjv]

As I've been saying for years, no one has played the game within' the game like the Warriors (Craptors are a close second).

Granted, Kerr was essentially in the media as a broadcaster for a while and in a sense, Myers was too (agents use national big wigs to filter information) and they along with Lacob, Curry, Thompson and Green are all media friendly and their style of play is appealing to casuals so they're good for business as well, but still.

The lack of objectivity is appalling.

it's not only that; many of them are just downright cheerleaders for certain players and teams. stephen a. is a perennial front runner, greenie is an apologist and yes man, windhorst is unabashedly sycophantic (to lebron particularly) and so on. denver, sac town, and milwaukee (even philly to a lesser extent) are experiencing what the spurs did during their run, being ignored so that the preferred teams are pandered to. this is the NBA's problem, promoting the hand-picked rather than the league and the game itself.

[cd98]

So now it is Sabonis is dirty? WTH? Oh, he's not a dirty player, he just has dirty plays. What does that even mean?

Of all the plays he wanted to call out the one Sabonis had a light shove for a rebound? Really? This is comical.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2023/04/19/jj-redick-referees-favoring-kings-over-warriors-playoff-series/11698036002/


Refs are favoring the Kings for once? I think the Refs owe them for that debacle Western Conference Finals performance where the league ensured that the Lakers beat the Kings.

[cd98]

Don't we all agree that Sabonis was a little bit of an actor? I mean the Kings are in a position where they need to say that Sabonis is "questionable." I'm not saying Green is excused from the stomp. I mean, part of the game is mental toughness and he prides himself on being a "thinker" and then he does the stomp and proves himself wrong. At the same time, Sabonis looked like a world-class soccer player writhing in "pain" and probably on his stomach for a bit to try and hide the smirk on his face.

If he is legit injured and doesn't play, then I'll concede. But if he is "questionable" leaning "probable" then I call it a hoax.

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/lQxIXgFYDcE

[Mr. Body]

Don't we all agree that Sabonis was a little bit of an actor? I mean the Kings are in a position where they need to say that Sabonis is "questionable."

No.

But nice ESPN level take.

Try getting stomped on the chest. See how you feel. Man barely drew iron on one free throw and then airballed the other. He was clearly in pain.

I just don't get where these takes come from.

[JPB]

was more than a suggestion

Boris was the ultimate, gifted, talented do-it-all BB player who, when engaged, had 5 Greens in every finger. They're not on the same league but boris was just too lazy and easy going to have the career he could have had. Put him in that GS team with two of the best 3Pt shooters in history in a 3PT era and he would averaged 7-8 assists/game with bunches of trip dubs.

Ask prime Bobo to call his number to score 30, and he will. Ask Raymond and he won't. He's always been a blue collar guy while Boris was pure BB. just comparing any category of the game and Boris is mostly ahead in terms of skills (passing, posting,shooting...). Boris was also a hell of a defender when motivated, without fouling 5 times a play. I take prime Bobo over prime Raymond without even thinking.

[spurraider21]

Boris was the ultimate, gifted, talented do-it-all BB player who, when engaged, had 5 Greens in every finger. They're not on the same league but boris was just too lazy and easy going to have the career he could have had. Put him in that GS team with two of the best 3Pt shooters in history in a 3PT era and he would averaged 7-8 assists/game with bunches of trip dubs.

Ask prime Bobo to call his number to score 30, and he will. Ask Raymond and he won't. He's always been a blue collar guy while Boris was pure BB. just comparing any category of the game and Boris is mostly ahead in terms of skills (passing, posting,shooting...). Boris was also a hell of a defender when motivated, without fouling 5 times a play. I take prime Bobo over prime Raymond without even thinking.
its a lot of coulda woulda. he was too lazy? ok thats a detriment to him. one thing you cant say about green is that he was lazy.

diaw had some unique offensive skill, but green has also been an elite defensive player throughout his career while also providing plus playmaking and generally being clutch for them. diaw doesnt have a single all star appearance. he doesnt have a single all nba appearance. or all defense appearance. green is a 4x all star, 2x all nba, 7x all defensive player.

both were basically functioning as high end glue guys on their teams. green just did it better and for longer.

[MultiTroll]

green has also been an elite defensive player throughout his career.
:lmao
NBA marketing / propaganda dept has wrung you up.

[TD 21]

it's not only that; many of them are just downright cheerleaders for certain players and teams. stephen a. is a perennial front runner, greenie is an apologist and yes man, windhorst is unabashedly sycophantic (to lebron particularly) and so on. denver, sac town, and milwaukee (even philly to a lesser extent) are experiencing what the spurs did during their run, being ignored so that the preferred teams are pandered to. this is the NBA's problem, promoting the hand-picked rather than the league and the game itself.

Yeah, I've discussed this ad nauseam in recent years, namely with the Warriors and Raptors relationships with prominent national media members.

It's really gotten out of control the past half decade, the pushing of agendas, spin jobs, etc. to the point now where they're clearly trying to influence current and future players away from and to certain markets.

I still believe that played a part in Scumbag wanting out. I suspect his sleazebag uncle was in his ear that he'll never get the accolades and attention he "deserves" playing here and unfortunately that's true.

[daslicer]

Yeah, I've discussed this ad nauseam in recent years, namely with the Warriors and Raptors relationships with prominent national media members.

It's really gotten out of control the past half decade, the pushing of agendas, spin jobs, etc. to the point now where they're clearly trying to influence current and future players away from and to certain markets.

I still believe that played a part in Scumbag wanting out. I suspect his sleazebag uncle was in his ear that he'll never get the accolades and attention he "deserves" playing here and unfortunately that's true.

I agree the gaslighting has gotten tremendously worse. Like you said back in the day it wasn't so obvious with the biases when it comes to certain teams and players. Now it's straight in your face and the lies by the media feel like insults because they are outright lies.

[daslicer]

:lmao
NBA marketing / propaganda dept has wrung you up.

Agreed. The refs can make anybody look great defensively if they don't call fouls. Just saw Austin Reeves look like a defensive ace in the Lakers game since he was allowed to foul several times throughout the game and not get called for a foul.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. The refs can make anybody look great defensively if they don't call fouls. Just saw Austin Reeves look like a defensive ace in the Lakers game since he was allowed to foul several times throughout the game and not get called for a foul.
Like they did with bowen and duncan :tu

[TD 21]

I agree the gaslighting has gotten tremendously worse. Like you said back in the day it wasn't so obvious with the biases when it comes to certain teams and players. Now it's straight in your face and the lies by the media feel like insults because they are outright lies.

The league not even attempting to curb this behavior makes them complicit in the thinly veiled, subliminal messaging because deep down they want the majority of domestic future superstars and stars, who are likely consuming this crap, to think their career will be more meaningful if it plays out in a big/glamor market than a small one.

[daslicer]

Like they did with bowen and duncan :tu

The reason Duncan was a great defensive player was he had a combination of great defensive IQ, lateral quickness, and switching abilities on rotations. I didn't know the refs were supplying Duncan his quickness and was telling him where to switch on rotations.

Bruce Bowen did hack a lot, but you can't use that against him since the rules back then allowed for it. Everybody was able to what Bowen was allowed to do. Bowen just did it better than them and he also had elite lateral quickness like Duncan did to stay in front of players. My problem with the current NBA is they only allow a few guys to play by 90's-mid '00s defensive rules ala Draymond while other have to play by the normal rules. This gives unfair advantages to the select few who are allowed to play by the old defensive rules.

Like always another terrible contrarian take by you.

[cd98]

GSW were better without Green. Dillon Brooks, though, is the real dirty player.

[spurraider21]

:lmao
NBA marketing / propaganda dept has wrung you up.
Yep. All det propaganda :lmao

1650262757835694080

[spurraider21]

What a sequence in crunch time. Stares down donuts, gets upcourt and makes the perfect play off the screen

:cry but bobo jumped reallly high in flip flops

[MultiTroll]

Yep. All det propaganda :lmao
Did you even watch the game you Warrior Raymond slurper?
Dumbass was bodied Sabonis about 3 times in the late 3rd and 4th for obvious shooting fouls.

On the play you post, Wiggings holds Sabonis down so he can't elevate so Apemond can get the easy block.

You're perfect propoganda consumer.

And no they didn't "Put Apemon on Fox" for the final play. Fox went away from who was assisgned to him (wussy Curry) and foolishly drove himself into Apemond for the double team.

[daslicer]

Did you even watch the game you Warrior Raymond slurper?
Dumbass was bodied Sabonis about 3 times in the late 3rd and 4th for obvious shooting fouls.

On the play you post, Wiggings holds Sabonis down so he can't elevate so Apemond can get the easy block.

You're perfect propoganda consumer.

And no they didn't "Put Apemon on Fox" for the final play. Fox went away from who was assisgned to him (wussy Curry) and foolishly drove himself into Apemond for the double team.

Spurraider21 trying to convince us that Draymond is a good player is like the equivalent of someone trying to sell you the idea that shit taste good.

[spurraider21]

The reason Duncan was a great defensive player was he had a combination of great defensive IQ, lateral quickness, and switching abilities on rotations. I didn't know the refs were supplying Duncan his quickness and was telling him where to switch on rotations.

Bruce Bowen did hack a lot, but you can't use that against him since the rules back then allowed for it. Everybody was able to what Bowen was allowed to do. Bowen just did it better than them and he also had elite lateral quickness like Duncan did to stay in front of players. My problem with the current NBA is they only allow a few guys to play by 90's-mid '00s defensive rules ala Draymond while other have to play by the normal rules. This gives unfair advantages to the select few who are allowed to play by the old defensive rules.

Like always another terrible contrarian take by you.
Duncan was notoriously good at avoiding foul trouble. For him it’s all skill but for green it’s just “he gets away with a lot”

[daslicer]

Duncan was notoriously good at avoiding foul trouble. For him it’s all skill but for green it’s just “he gets away with a lot”

Draymond gets away with hacking plenty of times. You are just too blind with your biases to see it.

[Mr. Body]

Green's tactic is to hack hard and early. This sets the stage for the game - he knows the referees won't foul him out, so they adjust to him.

[slick'81]

Green's tactic is to hack hard and early. This sets the stage for the game - he knows the referees won't foul him out, so they adjust to him.

bruh, he fouled out like 3 times in the finals alone

[Mr. Body]

bruh, he fouled out like 3 times in the finals alone

Yeah, because he fouls so much.

[spurraider21]

Draymond gets away with hacking plenty of times. You are just too blind with your biases to see it.
Yep my anti spurs anti duncan bias is too strong here. Clouding my judgment

[spurraider21]

bruh, he fouled out like 3 times in the finals alone
:lmao

[daslicer]

Yep my anti spurs anti duncan bias is too strong here. Clouding my judgment

You have a strong pro Draymond bias to prove that your original point in this thread which you were claiming Draymond is a legit star is validated hence why you keep bumping it every time you feel Draymond has a good game. You can't seem to let it go that the majority of people disagree with you, so you keep this silly game going.

[Jordan Jackson]

Green's tactic is to hack hard and early. This sets the stage for the game - he knows the referees won't foul him out, so they adjust to him.

Correct. As soon as I saw Green get that early tech I knew it was game over. That fucker could run out to half court and hit Sabonis with a lawn chair and the refs wouldn’t have called it at that point.

The league/media is going to continue to protect the Warriors and push that weird championship narrative. Kings have to play flawless basketball down the stretch- they didn’t today. Kings shooting only 1 free throw at the half was weird also.

[spurraider21]

You have a strong pro Draymond bias to prove that your original point in this thread which you were claiming Draymond is a legit star is validated hence why you keep bumping it every time you feel Draymond has a good game. You can't seem to let it go that the majority of people disagree with you, so you keep this silly game going.
you have more posts in this thread than i do.

does that mean you have an even stronger anti-draymond bias than i have a pro-draymond bias?

[daslicer]

you have more posts in this thread than i do.

does that mean you have an even stronger anti-draymond bias than i have a pro-draymond bias?

How do you know I have more posts than you in this thread? Did you count them?

I see you decided to play the lame game of deflecting but that's fine. Even if I do have strong anti-Draymond bias it still doesn't take way from the fact that you keep bumping this thread every time Draymond has a good game to get validation over your original argument about Draymond being a star. I don't even bother to bump this thread when Draymond has garbage games. I just don't give a shit to do it. Like I said before you keep this silly game going. You are not going to ever convince me with your arguments so don't bother wasting my time or others who disagree with you in this thread. We have already made up our minds about this scrub.

[rjv]

and now the dubs catch another f'ing break with fox going down with an injury.

[Mr. Body]

What a candy-ass franchise. Have they ever faced a healthy opponent?

[spurraider21]

How do you know I have more posts than you in this thread? Did you count them?

I see you decided to play the lame game of deflecting but that's fine. Even if I do have strong anti-Draymond bias it still doesn't take way from the fact that you keep bumping this thread every time Draymond has a good game to get validation over your original argument about Draymond being a star. I don't even bother to bump this thread when Draymond has garbage games. I just don't give a shit to do it. Like I said before you keep this silly game going. You are not going to ever convince me with your arguments so don't bother wasting my time or others who disagree with you in this thread. We have already made up our minds about this scrub.
https://i.gyazo.com/59b96bfe4170b6baea4d099feac295e3.png

:lol

and im not deflecting. im just showing how dumb the arguments are. oh i have strong draymond bias because i keep bumping this thread. which is on its face a dumb argument and you immediately hate when i point out how often you post here too

[daslicer]

https://i.gyazo.com/59b96bfe4170b6baea4d099feac295e3.png

:lol

and im not deflecting. im just showing how dumb the arguments are. oh i have strong draymond bias because i keep bumping this thread. which is on its face a dumb argument and you immediately hate when i point out how often you post here too

Your arguments are pretty idiotic, and you were predictable like I expected you would be to put up the post count. You are trailing me only by 9 posts, so we are pretty much neck and neck in this thread. That's not saying much yourself either when trying to prove you are not biased. You are just almost equally pro-Draymond as I'm anti-Draymond. Also, it's not just you bumping this thread that shows you have Pro-Draymond bias it's the fact you have vehemently argued throughout this thread about Draymond being a star that shows your pro-biases for him.

[spurraider21]

Your arguments are pretty idiotic, and you were predictable like I expected you would be to put up the post count. You are trailing me only by 9 posts, so we are pretty much neck and neck in this thread. That's not saying much yourself either when trying to prove you are not biased. You are just almost equally pro-Draymond as I'm anti-Draymond. Also, it's not just you bumping this thread that shows you have Pro-Draymond bias it's the fact you have vehemently argued throughout this thread about Draymond being a star that shows your pro-biases for him.
:lol the post count thing was your argument, not mine (as was the "hes only good because he gets away with fouls" argument)

yes, i think draymond is a very good defensive player. yes, im very argumentative, and i post a lot (have over 90k posts on this board). i reject that this means i have a strong pro-draymond bias, at least not to the degree where its skewing anything.

i think its very easy and convenient to just write off draymond's defensive ability as "he gets away with fouls" because its not quantifiable, unless you can show there is some systematic evidence of him getting away with stuff. because i turned around and mad the facetious point that duncan was only good at defense because he got away with fouls. i dont actually believe that. but im demonstrating how easy it is to just assert that as an argument because its not really falsifiable outside of occasional anecdotal videos

[benefactor]

How do you spend like 17 years here and not know something as basic as checking user post counts in a thread:lol

[spurraider21]

for his career, Green averages 3.6 fouls per 36 in the regular season, and 3.9 in the playoffs

bowen averaged 2.9 and 3.1

duncan averaged 2.5 and 2.7

nephew is 2.0 and 2.3

[daslicer]

How do you spend like 17 years here and not know something as basic as checking user post counts in a thread:lol

Because I never cared to do so. Never saw the point of seeing how many user post counts a person had in a thread.

[daslicer]

:lol the post count thing was your argument, not mine (as was the "hes only good because he gets away with fouls" argument)

yes, i think draymond is a very good defensive player. yes, im very argumentative, and i post a lot (have over 90k posts on this board). i reject that this means i have a strong pro-draymond bias, at least not to the degree where its skewing anything.

i think its very easy and convenient to just write off draymond's defensive ability as "he gets away with fouls" because its not quantifiable, unless you can show there is some systematic evidence of him getting away with stuff. because i turned around and mad the facetious point that duncan was only good at defense because he got away with fouls. i dont actually believe that. but im demonstrating how easy it is to just assert that as an argument because its not really falsifiable outside of occasional anecdotal videos

You are never going to convince me that Draymond doesn't get away with fouling. We are just going to have to agree to disagree about this and I will leave it at that.

[spurraider21]

Because I never cared to do so. Never saw the point of seeing how many user post counts a person had in a thread.
except to tell them that their high post count is indicative of bias

when you have more :lol

[spurraider21]

You are never going to convince me that Draymond doesn't get away with fouling. We are just going to have to agree to disagree about this and I will leave it at that.
then this is just your religion

[exstatic]

then this is just your religion

As Draymond worship is yours...

[MultiTroll]

for his career, Green averages 3.6 fouls per 36 in the regular season, and 3.9 in the playoffs
And in the real world actually commits 9.2 and 10.1

[MultiTroll]

D'Aron Fox out.
Does anyone know if the play that injured him has been posted?
An Apemond special?

[spurraider21]

As Draymond worship is yours...
thinking a player is good is worship

https://media.tenor.com/czn6Thu012UAAAAM/sharktank-mark-cuban.gif

[daslicer]

then this is just your religion

Just like being pro-Draymond is your religion. GTFO with your nonsense.

[daslicer]

except to tell them that their high post count is indicative of bias

when you have more :lol

:lol Yes that means a lot coming from a guy who is third in the thread in posts. Like I said before you are not going to convince me with your argument, and neither am I going to convince you. Let's leave it that.

[spurraider21]

:lol Yes that means a lot coming from a guy who is third in the thread in posts. Like I said before you are not going to convince me with your argument, and neither am I going to convince you. Let's leave it that.
i mean, i could be convinced but it would require evidence. the problem is there already is a lot of evidence throughout draymond's career that he's a great and versatile defender. but if somebody wanted to present evidence that throughout his career his prowess is a result of favorable officiating, then yes i'd like to see that evidence in order for me to find it compelling

[spurraider21]

:lol Yes that means a lot coming from a guy who is third in the thread in posts. Like I said before you are not going to convince me with your argument, and neither am I going to convince you. Let's leave it that.
im not the one who made the claim that posting a lot is bad or indicative of bias. that was your claim :lol

im laughing at your hypocrisy because you have more posts here than i do

[MultiTroll]

Appears it was Looney and not Apemond.
And on a Nothing Burger after the whistle play.
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[daslicer]

im not the one who made the claim that posting a lot is bad or indicative of bias. that was your claim :lol

im laughing at your hypocrisy because you have more posts here than i do

:lol Says the guy who is in third place for posts in this thread. It's obvious you have a very Pro-Draymond bias.

[spurraider21]

im not the one who made the claim that posting a lot is bad or indicative of bias. that was your claim :lol

im laughing at your hypocrisy because you have more posts here than i do


:lol Says the guy who is in third place for posts in this thread. It's obvious you have a very Pro-Draymond bias.
thanks for proving my point :lmao

[daslicer]

thanks for proving my point :lmao

:lol Draymond slurper.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

thinking a player is good is worship

https://media.tenor.com/czn6Thu012UAAAAM/sharktank-mark-cuban.gif

No but reflexive and mindless defense certainly is.

[spurraider21]

No but reflexive and mindless defense certainly is.
Mindless?

[Ice009]

How do you spend like 17 years here and not know something as basic as checking user post counts in a thread:lol

I didn't even know you could search for that. How do you search for who posted most in a thread?

[MultiTroll]

:lol Moar Draymond

NBA Admits Massive Blown Call in Warriors vs. Kings Game 4 (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-admits-massive-blown-call-in-warriors-vs-kings-game-4/ar-AA1ai4Ic?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=49fe7c0db4284dd5b2038a293fc4c7b5&ei=20)

[daslicer]

:lol Moar Draymond

NBA Admits Massive Blown Call in Warriors vs. Kings Game 4 (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-admits-massive-blown-call-in-warriors-vs-kings-game-4/ar-AA1ai4Ic?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=49fe7c0db4284dd5b2038a293fc4c7b5&ei=20)

But Draymond doesn't get away with hacking according to Draymond slurpers in here lol.

[cd98]

:lol Moar Draymond

NBA Admits Massive Blown Call in Warriors vs. Kings Game 4 (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-admits-massive-blown-call-in-warriors-vs-kings-game-4/ar-AA1ai4Ic?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=49fe7c0db4284dd5b2038a293fc4c7b5&ei=20)

Man, Kings have worst luck with officials in the playoffs.

[Mr. Body]

Man, Kings have worst luck with officials in the playoffs.

Luck. Yeah. It's luck, totally.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Man, Kings have worst luck with officials in the playoffs.

Their bad luck is having to play the "darlings" of the NBA in the post season. The Lakers and now the Warriors are given a lot of leash in which to roam by the powers that be.

[MultiTroll]

Apemond got ejected in 3rd qtr vs Cleveland.

Initially indications were Apemond would not only get away with another cheapshot but Donvan Mitchell would be the one ejected. You know, for being on the receiving end of another Draymond cheapshot.

I'll try to find some vid.

[MultiTroll]

WATCH: Draymond Green Shoves Donovan Mitchell, Gets Ejected (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/watch-draymond-green-shoves-donovan-mitchell-gets-ejected/ar-AA1jMt8V)

It appears the arena or the Warriors have brought in an animal handler to intervene and escort Green off the court.

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*I had hit "Draymond / Apemond" in Search, didn't notice this was on the Spurs Forum.

[NASpurs]

Raymond at it again

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[baseline bum]

Raymond at it again

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But suspend Ja for 25 games for some fucking videos

[BatManu20]

Lol dude’s a menace and I hate him personally, but he’s great for the league tbh. Nonstop entertainment and gives the NBA a legitimate villain. I assume Silver will suspend a couple more games for this.

[The Truth #6]

So he punches him but plays it like a CP3 flailing flop. Lame.

[GAustex]

That was a punch and should have a significant suspension

[Splits]

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[gambit1990]

suspend him for 20 games tbh.

he'll probably just get suspended for eight though.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I'd put him out the rest of this season and next, at this point. He's worse than Ja, as far as repeating really dumb bullshit even after being addressed for it.

[AusSpur]

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These players and objects are expecting the contact, which isn't Draymond's style.

He likes to sucker punch, kick in the balls or stomp people while they are engage in basketball activities.

[spurraider21]

Should be 20 games at minimum imho

[thiste]

He just had 5 games, can't he ever fucking learn? He needs a long one this time yeah

[timtonymanu]

We know that fairy silver won’t do anything substantial.

[Splits]

He was just "selling the call". He's not accurate enough a puncher "to do a full 360 and connect" even though it was a 180. He "made contact with him" but it wasn't his intention. Total accident.

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[thiste]

When your highlight reel looks more like MMA than basketball, you should really ask yourself the right questions. The League & the Warriors should as well.

[gambit1990]

he better get suspended for the rest of the season after he comes back and does something like that again.

[exstatic]

But suspend Ja for 25 games for some fucking videos

It wasn’t videos, it was the glorification of guns IN the videos, and the fact that after being suspended for 8 games, HE DID IT AGAIN.

Kids pay attention to this shit, and frankly, I don’t care if a kid follows Raymond’s example and punches someone, but I really do care if he shoots someone.

[exstatic]

He just had 5 games, can't he ever fucking learn? He needs a long one this time yeah

10, minimum.

[Rocalcio]

He was just "selling the call". He's not accurate enough a puncher "to do a full 360 and connect" even though it was a 180. He "made contact with him" but it wasn't his intention. Total accident.

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He really thinks people will believe such bullshits ? He looks like he's reading something that someone asked him to say.

[spursparker9]

:lol Raymond will continue to get away with it.

- 4 rings. Established winner.
- Have the backing and support of best shooter ever, Steph.
- Friend with Joe Dumars. VP of NBA basketball operations.
- Influencing presence with his podcasts. Joining TNT after retirement.
- GSW will not turn their back on him.

:lol

[Spurs Homer]

I actually want him to finally paralyze another player- hopefully another warriors teammate…

just because the NBA and its complicit coddling of this disgusting piece of shit sickens me…

slap on the wrist time after time after time after time….

[BacktoBasics]

None of his bullshit stops until someone pops him clean in the face. Unbelievably soft AF nba that not a single studio gangsta has ever attempted to lay that fat fuck out.

[Spurs Homer]

None of his bullshit stops until someone pops him clean in the face. Unbelievably soft AF nba that not a single studio gangsta has ever attempted to lay that fat fuck out.

Word -

Someone needs to kermit washington his ass...

(for all you old-schoolers)

[baseline bum]

Word -

Someone needs to kermit washington his ass...

(for all you old-schoolers)

Or at least Robert Parish him

[Spurs Homer]

Or at least Robert Parish him


lol


yup

[baseline bum]

lol


yup

Or Kent Benson him. My favorite highlight of Kareem's career :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FQVi9267g

EDIT: JFC youtube aged-gated the first video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN57mvDICXw

[Spurs Homer]

Or Kent Benson him. My favorite highlight of Kareem's career :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FQVi9267g

EDIT: JFC youtube aged-gated the first video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN57mvDICXw

not much to ask for lol

just make sure dirty ass draymond gets it squarely in the donkey face

[TimDunkem]

I actually want him to finally paralyze another player- hopefully another warriors teammate…

just because the NBA and its complicit coddling of this disgusting piece of shit sickens me…

slap on the wrist time after time after time after time….
Feel the same way. I'm someone who has never advocated for huge suspensions for most things too, but what is the logical end game of this? Hopefully he retires before he seriously injures someone, or he does...and then what?

All it will take is for one of these punches or backhands to land a little too hard, a guy goes unconscious and smacks his head on the court, then he's dead or a vegetable.

What will the league say then after letting this guy get away with it time after time for years? Green is cleary pushing the envelope still, and he will push until something truly awful happens.

[paperboy77]

Spurs could certainly use Green on this team. Pop make it happen!

[TrainOfThought5]

suspend him for 20 games tbh.

he'll probably just get suspended for eight though.

8?! I’m taking the under.

[TheGreatYacht]

Get this thug and Jeremy Sochan out of my beautiful sport

[Splits]

Spurs could certainly use Green on this team. Pop make it happen!

Bonner, Blair and a 2rp for Raymond.

[lefty]

Or Kent Benson him. My favorite highlight of Kareem's career :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FQVi9267g

EDIT: JFC youtube aged-gated the first video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN57mvDICXw
Why dd you hate Kareem tbh?

Is it his boring skyhook, his goofy looking running, or his constant staring atthe refs everytime the ball was stripped clean from his hands? :lol

[Splits]

Why dd you hate Kareem tbh?

Is it his boring skyhook, his goofy looking running, or his constant staring atthe refs everytime the ball was stripped clean from his hands? :lol

It's the shorts nig. Obviously the shorts.

[lefty]

It's the shorts nig. Obviously the shorts.
But they all short shorts in the 80s tbh

[lefty]

Word -

Someone needs to kermit washington his ass...

(for all you old-schoolers)
That's why I respect Westbrick TBH

Dude got hit by Pavhulia and he got his revenge
Draymond won't fuck with Wesbrook


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1BcUqTZBt0

[baseline bum]

Why dd you hate Kareem tbh?

Is it his boring skyhook, his goofy looking running, or his constant staring atthe refs everytime the ball was stripped clean from his hands? :lol

Don't hate Kareem, just find him massively overrated by people who act like he's top 5 or top 3 alltime when he was a great player but not the kind of guy who could drag a team to 50 wins.

[KobesAchilles]

Don't hate Kareem, just find him massively overrated by people who act like he's top 5 or top 3 alltime when he was a great player but not the kind of guy who could drag a team to 50 wins.
Magic saved him tbh. Dude was floundering until Magic came. He never really dominated once the talent pool became good again in the NBA with the death of the ABA. I don't have KAj top 5 tbh and I'd rank Duncan over him easy

[NASpurs]

Get this thug and Jeremy Sochan out of my beautiful sport

:lol

[baseline bum]

Magic saved him tbh. Dude was floundering until Magic came. He never really dominated once the talent pool became good again in the NBA with the death of the ABA. I don't have KAj top 5 tbh and I'd rank Duncan over him easy

Yeah 100%. I can't put Kareem in the same class as Magic, Duncan, Bird, Chamberlain, Jordan, or LeBron where any season they were healthy and in their prime you knew you were winning 50 or at least close to 50. Just can't see Kareem leading decrepit Terry Porter, Derek Anderson, Danny Ferry, and past his prime DRob to 58 wins in a brutal west like Duncan did in 01 for example. Not when he couldn't even hit .500 the year Oscar retired while playing next to prime Bobby Dandridge in a hilariously weak NBA where so much of American basketball talent was in the ABA. E.g., Dr J, Ice, James Silas, Moses Malone, Artis Gilmore, Marvin Barnes, Dan Issel, George McGinnis, Caldwell Jones, Maurice Lucas, etc.

[lefty]

can’t put Magic as the same class as MJ and Wilt either

[lefty]

Magic saved him tbh. Dude was floundering until Magic came. He never really dominated once the talent pool became good again in the NBA with the death of the ABA. I don't have KAj top 5 tbh and I'd rank Duncan over him easy
Magic won nada without Kareem tbh
Both are massively overrated

[KobesAchilles]

Magic won nada without Kareem tbh
Both are massively overrated
You can’t be overrated winning 3 MVPs and finals mvps and making 9 nba finals and all nba first teams. He also led a horrible team to the finals in 91. And the Lakers sucked immediately once he left.

[spurraider21]

Magic won nada without Kareem tbh
Both are massively overrated
magic played like 2 seasons without kareem before he got HIV

he won NBA MVP in the first season when the lakers got 63 wins (bounced in 2nd round) and led the lakers to 58 wins and the finals in the other one

its not like it was some prolonged arc of him not being able to win

[NASpurs]

He's been suspended "indefinitely" :lol

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