Mass shooting in Orlando

[pgardn]

I never said anything about the past. I said it will always be easy.

My bad.

Its too damn easy.

[HI-FI]

I never said anything about the past. I said it will always be easy.
what if someone could do the same damage via muskets, Daniel Day Lewis styles? disturbing but impressive imo.

[SpursforSix]

what if someone could do the same damage via muskets, Daniel Day Lewis styles? disturbing but impressive imo.

It'd be awesome for sure. There was some alernative history book a while ago where the Comfederates had machine guns. It made me wonder if just one person went back in time with a machine gun (and unlimited ammo), would they sinle handedly be able to win a battle.

[Splits]

An AR15 is not a combat weapon.

Correct. It is a hunting device. For people who suck at hunting.

[Splits]

The scene changed to hostage negotiations once they arrived. Sounds like they were killed right away and then he called 911.

50 people "were killed right away" and another 53 presumably shot "right away" and yet it took 3 hours to take out the gunman.

This "sounds" like a total and complete police failure. One terrorist, 3 hours to take him down. I doubt the authorities will release the actual order of events to avoid exposing the cowardly behavior of the officers failing to respond in less than 3 hours.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The AR series weapons were designed for the military. They were first marketed to the military who called it the M-16. They now manufacture them to make it difficult to make them fully automatic on your own but to say they wouldn't be effective in combat is just nonsense from people that play semantic games to try and avoid gun laws.

[Splits]

Guarantee they are gonna call this a gay phobic hate crime and not home grown Muslim terrorism.


They who? Are you saying Obama will acknowledge Muslim/ISIS inspired terrorism in his 12:30 speech?

suggested drinking game.

Take a shot every time Obama says guns.

Skip ten "gun" shots every time he says Muslim Terrorism


:lol

Damn. Is there anyone more wrong than this idiot?

What a tremendous fuckstick, wrong about everything :lol

[mingus]

There's a pretty linear pattern seems to me of immediate friends, family of these mass murders not having the slightest clue of anything that's going on. Is it good acting on the part of the shooters or sympathetic people around him to his extremist beliefs.

[boutons_deux]

There's a pretty linear pattern seems to me of immediate friends, family of these mass murders not having the slightest clue of anything that's going on. Is it good acting on the part of the shooters or sympathetic people around him to his extremist beliefs.

and just like with Christian Taliban, it's impossible to tell where "I hate gays" (religion not involved) stops and where "Mohammed/Christ tells me to kill gays" starts.

Both flavors of religious extremists are are filled with hate and use, cherry pick their religious bullshit to justify their crimes.

[boutons_deux]

He was also bipolar, Mateen's ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, told reporters in Boulder, Colorado.

"He was mentally unstable and mentally ill," Yusufiy said. Although records show the couple didn't divorce for two years after the marriage, Yusiufiy said she was actually only with Mateen for four months because he was abusive.

She said he would not let her speak to her family and that family members had to come and literally pull her out of his arms.

Yusufiy said she was "devastated, shocked, started shaking and crying" when she heard about the shooting, but she attributed the violence to Mateen's mental illness, not any alliance with terrorist groups.

Rahman agreed.

"My personal opinion is that this has nothing to do with ISIS," he said.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/orlando-shooter-ex-wife-son-blame-mental-illness-not-isis?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

But the Repugs are trying to trash Obama for not saying "Muslim radicalism". Fuck you Repugs, and fuck the assholes you elect.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The question nobody is discussing is why it took 3 fucking hours from the first officers on the scene until the terrorist was taken out. What the fuck is wrong with all these "good guys with guns" that it takes 3 hours to intervene? I wonder how many of those 50 people would have survived if law enforcement would have manned up and stormed as soon as they got on the scene instead of planning a 3 hour SWAT team. Some heroes.

Because he took hostages and there was a fire fight before they organized a strategy to raid the building. From what I read the hostages survived.


Police Chief John Mina also said the shooter had some sort of “suspicious device.” He said the suspect exchanged gunfire with an officer working at the club around 2 a.m., then went back inside and took hostages among more than 300 people inside.

Mina said that 11 officers exchanged gunfire with Mateen at the nightclub.

CBS News reports that robots are analyzing a device strapped to the gunman’s body to determine if it is a real or fake explosive device.

Around 5 a.m., authorities sent in a SWAT team to rescue the hostages, and the suspect then died in a gunfight with those officers.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

[djohn2oo8]

Incorrect:



http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooter-bought-guns-previous-flags-fbi/story?id=39799861

Dumbass gun confiscation cocksuckers.

Yet even if he was still on those watch lists, he could still buy a gun idiot.

Omar Mateen was placed on a terrorist watch list maintained by the FBI when its agents questioned him in 2013 and 2014 about potential ties to terrorism, according to U.S. law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the case.

He was subsequently removed from that database after the FBI closed its two investigations, one official said.

In the first investigation, Mateen was questioned by FBI agents after they were told he had made inflammatory comments that co-workers worried were sympathetic to terrorists.

The FBI agents determined that Mateen had not broken any laws and closed the investigation, a second official said.

They questioned Mateen again the following year because agents had learned he had contact with an American who later died in a suicide bombing in Syria.

Agents closed that investigation because they concluded the contacts with the suicide bomber had been minimal, an FBI official said.

Even if Mateen were still on the terrorist watch list — known as the Terrorist Screening Database — the designation would not have precluded him from buying the semiautomatic pistol and assault-style rifle that he used in Sunday's massacre.

Mateen bought two guns in the last 12 days from a gun store not far from his Florida home, federal officials said.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives described the weapons as a “.223 caliber AR type rifle and a 9mm semiautomatic pistol.”
— Del Quentin Wilber

[djohn2oo8]

Between February 2004 (when the FBI started keeping tabs on people on the list trying to buy guns) and December 2014, there were 2,233 people on the list who applied to buy a weapon. Of those, 2,043 were allowed to proceed, including three applications to buy explosives. That’s a bit more than 91 percent.

[djohn2oo8]

Fuckers on that list are allowed to buy guns LEGALLY. :lol CN

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

Damn. Is there anyone more wrong than this idiot?

What a tremendous fuckstick, wrong about everything :lol

Wrong?. Obama didn't say a thing about Muslim terrorism and he did talk about new gun laws.

Looks like you are the fuckstick.

[CosmicCowboy]

They were interviewing a witness in the club and he said he saw a bullet sticking out of someone "this far" and he spread his thumb and finger about three inches apart.

Maybe he saw the guys pecker instead.

a 5.56 bullet is less than an inch long.

[Splits]

Wrong?. Obama didn't say a thing about Muslim terrorism and he did talk about new gun laws.

Looks like you are the fuckstick.

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Where has anyone seen that the guy was on the terror watch list? I have just seen/read that he was investigated by the FBI.

[pgardn]

It'd be awesome for sure. There was some alernative history book a while ago where the Comfederates had machine guns. It made me wonder if just one person went back in time with a machine gun (and unlimited ammo), would they sinle handedly be able to win a battle.


Yeah.

Or when the Chinese invented those firework weapons where one major missile branched off and would have killed millions. Just like a nuclear weapon.

[Splits]

Because he took hostages and there was a fire fight before they organized a strategy to raid the building. From what I read the hostages survived.

The video I previously posted showed 4-5 cop cars in front of the club and over 24 rounds going off in 10 seconds. They were on the scene, he was shooting, and they did nothing but turn on their lights apparently.

[clambake]

The video I previously posted showed 4-5 cop cars in front of the club and over 24 rounds going off in 10 seconds. They were on the scene, he was shooting, and they did nothing but turn on their lights apparently.

its because they were scared shitless. they were face to face with a bad mother fucker. he had more fight than all of them.

[ducks]

Where has anyone seen that the guy was on the terror watch list? I have just seen/read that he was investigated by the FBI.

someone should have done there job no need for my laws. He also went to jail. How do felons buy guns legal they can not. Someone needs to be fired

[Captivus]

I think people should stop using the GUN argument, it doesnt make sense.

If you are crazy and want to kill peoeple you dont need a gun, you can do it in many many many ways, at the end, the probem are is not gun control (not saying that works perfectly) but thats not the problem.

[rmt]

I think people should stop using the GUN argument, it doesnt make sense.

If you are crazy and want to kill peoeple you dont need a gun, you can do it in many many many ways, at the end, the probem are is not gun control (not saying that works perfectly) but thats not the problem.

Yep. Gun control laws didn't help in Paris.

[Pelicans78]

Yep. Gun control laws didn't help in Paris.

Those shooters weren't from Paris. They came from other countries as part of an ISIS operation.

This guy legally obtained guns. Big difference.

[Splits]

Those shooters weren't from Paris. They came from other countries as part of an ISIS operation.

:lol no they didnt, they were all French/Belgian born.

[boutons_deux]

Yep. Gun control laws didn't help in Paris.

"mass" shootings are a tiny percentage of annual US gun homicides, accidents.

[CosmicCowboy]

"mass" shootings are a tiny percentage of annual US gun homicides, accidents.

Most of which are done with handguns, not AR-15's.

[Pelicans78]

:lol no they didnt, they were all French/Belgian born.

Belgian is not France.

[spurraider21]

I hope chumpdumper is safe though

[CosmicCowboy]

Belgian is not France.

Isn't that what the backslash acknowledged?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yet even if he was still on those watch lists, he could still buy a gun idiot.

Omar Mateen was placed on a terrorist watch list maintained by the FBI when its agents questioned him in 2013 and 2014 about potential ties to terrorism, according to U.S. law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the case.

He was subsequently removed from that database after the FBI closed its two investigations, one official said.

In the first investigation, Mateen was questioned by FBI agents after they were told he had made inflammatory comments that co-workers worried were sympathetic to terrorists.

The FBI agents determined that Mateen had not broken any laws and closed the investigation, a second official said.

They questioned Mateen again the following year because agents had learned he had contact with an American who later died in a suicide bombing in Syria.

Agents closed that investigation because they concluded the contacts with the suicide bomber had been minimal, an FBI official said.

Even if Mateen were still on the terrorist watch list — known as the Terrorist Screening Database — the designation would not have precluded him from buying the semiautomatic pistol and assault-style rifle that he used in Sunday's massacre.

Mateen bought two guns in the last 12 days from a gun store not far from his Florida home, federal officials said.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives described the weapons as a “.223 caliber AR type rifle and a 9mm semiautomatic pistol.”
— Del Quentin Wilber

You need to educate yourself more on what exactly the terrorist watch list is and how it's compiled before you call anyone an idiot.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-09/thousands-are-us-terrorist-watch-lists-rightly-or-wrongly-and-theres-nothing-they (http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-09/thousands-are-us-terrorist-watch-lists-rightly-or-wrongly-and-theres-nothing-they)

Thousands are on US terrorist watch lists, rightly or wrongly, and there's nothing they can do about it

At least 700,000 are on the US terrorist watch list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_Screening_Database) currently — though it's hard for anyone to know for sure.

The government doesn't reveal who they are, or why they've been marked as a potential threat, but we know the number of people who've been marked has grown considerably over the last few years. It rose sharply after the failed Christmas Day bombing in 2009, eventually peaking at nearly 1,000,000 travelers.
For many individuals branded with the terrorist label, it's nearly impossible to challenge the designation and regain the right to fly — or at least to fly with less hassle. It's a watch list that very few people are actually watching.
Anya Bernstein, associate professor at the SUNY Buffalo Law School and author of “The Hidden Costs of Terrorist Watch Lists (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2276685),” says there's no indication law enforcement is ever evaluating the accuracy of the names they add to the list.
"They're making predictions about people's likelihood of engaging in terrorist acts, but there's no retrospective review. So you can get on a list by being suspicious to someone, but you can't get off," she says.
And there's really nothing anyone can do if they think they're on the list. They can't even get official confirmation from the government that they were put on the list in the first place, Bernstein says.
The terrorist watch list is different from the much smaller US government "no fly" list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fly_list). The no fly list has tens of thousands of people, rather than the hundreds of thousands on the suspected terrorist list.
"There's a case on the no-fly list that is at trial right now and the government refuses to diclose whether the person is on the no-fly list," Bernstein says. "It's completely agency internal. It's all law enforcement."
You can ask the government to review any information it has on you and possibly reconsider its judgment. No other lists have any process that's even that inclusive. But sometimes people do get removed — just not usually through any action of their own, she says.
In 2006, about 71,000 people were on the no-fly list, prompting criticism from the Department of Justice. Within a year, the terrorist screening center had cut the list to 34,000 — a step they seemingly weren't interested in taking until prompted by the Justice Department, Bernstein said.

Short of a lengthy court battle, there's no administrative way to get yourself off the list. And it's not the only list. While the no-fly list is the most well-known, Bernstein says there are many other government watch lists that can have other impacts on your life.
In a trial a few years ago, a judge ruled that someone's inclusion on a watch list isn't in and of itself grounds for arrest, but it can be a piece of the probable cause police use when determining if an arrest is warranted.
"It counts as a strike against you," Bernstein says.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The video I previously posted showed 4-5 cop cars in front of the club and over 24 rounds going off in 10 seconds. They were on the scene, he was shooting, and they did nothing but turn on their lights apparently.

He had hostages. They set up a perimeter and organized a SWAT team. After he started calling them they tried to get him to stand down and when he wouldn't they went in and killed him. Look I am the last person to support the cops, I loathe their organizations but I cannot complain. The hostages in the bathroom were freed to boot.

[boutons_deux]

red/slave Floria allowing Christian Sharia

any gay, lesbian, bisexual, and/or transgender survivors of the deadliest mass shooting by a lone gunman on U.S. soil could show up at work on Monday morning, only to be fired from their jobs for their identity and find themselves without any protection from their state’s laws.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2016/06/13/3787664/lgbt-protection-orlando-shooting/

[boutons_deux]

Debate over guns, terror watch list to begin anew

the Floridian legally bought an AR-15-style weapon and a semiautomatic pistol recently, despite the fact that the FBI was aware of him and looked into him twice (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/omar-mateen-probed-terror-ties-legally-purchased-weapons-n590836).

It was not immediately clear what if any watch list [the apparent shooter] was on at the time of the Orlando massacre – though he had come across the FBI’s radar on more than one occasion.

He first came to the FBI’s attention in 2013 after co-workers reported he’d made “inflammatory” comments to them about radical Islamic propaganda. A year later the FBI looked into him again because of his ties to an American who traveled to the Middle East to become a suicide bomber.


Information is still coming together as part of the investigation. There’s more than one terrorist watch list and we don’t yet know if the Orlando shooter was on any of them.

“That suspected terrorists can legally purchase weapons in the U.S. has been a fierce point of contention in Congress and among gun-control advocates.”

In December, the Senate voted on a measure to prohibit those on a terror watch list from legally purchasing guns. Senate Republicans defeated the measure (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00319), and some vulnerable GOP incumbents – including New Hampshire’s Kelly Ayotte, Wisconsin’s Ron Johnson, Pennsylvania’s Pat Toomey, and Ohio’s Rob Portman – voted with the NRA and the far-right to protect the suspected terrorists’ gun rights.

Florida’s Marco Rubio, who’s reportedly getting ready to run for re-election after having promised not to, went to pretty extraordinary lengths (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rubio-defends-gun-rights-those-terror-watch-list) during his failed presidential campaign to insist that those on terror watch lists must be able to buy firearms.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/debate-over-guns-terror-watch-list-begin-anew?cid=sm_fb_maddow

for you gun fellators, the NRA/gun industry and their Repug whores in Congres, gun industry profits have a higher priority than human life.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Debate over guns, terror watch list to begin anew

the Floridian legally bought an AR-15-style weapon and a semiautomatic pistol recently, despite the fact that the FBI was aware of him and looked into him twice (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/omar-mateen-probed-terror-ties-legally-purchased-weapons-n590836).

It was not immediately clear what if any watch list [the apparent shooter] was on at the time of the Orlando massacre – though he had come across the FBI’s radar on more than one occasion.

He first came to the FBI’s attention in 2013 after co-workers reported he’d made “inflammatory” comments to them about radical Islamic propaganda. A year later the FBI looked into him again because of his ties to an American who traveled to the Middle East to become a suicide bomber.


Information is still coming together as part of the investigation. There’s more than one terrorist watch list and we don’t yet know if the Orlando shooter was on any of them.

“That suspected terrorists can legally purchase weapons in the U.S. has been a fierce point of contention in Congress and among gun-control advocates.”

In December, the Senate voted on a measure to prohibit those on a terror watch list from legally purchasing guns. Senate Republicans defeated the measure (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00319), and some vulnerable GOP incumbents – including New Hampshire’s Kelly Ayotte, Wisconsin’s Ron Johnson, Pennsylvania’s Pat Toomey, and Ohio’s Rob Portman – voted with the NRA and the far-right to protect the suspected terrorists’ gun rights.

Florida’s Marco Rubio, who’s reportedly getting ready to run for re-election after having promised not to, went to pretty extraordinary lengths (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rubio-defends-gun-rights-those-terror-watch-list) during his failed presidential campaign to insist that those on terror watch lists must be able to buy firearms.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/debate-over-guns-terror-watch-list-begin-anew?cid=sm_fb_maddow

for you gun fellators, the NRA/gun industry and their Repug whores in Congres, gun industry profits have a higher priority than human life.





Maddow is such a hack

Why does the ACLU side with the NRA on this unconstitutional list?

U.S. Government Watchlisting: Unfair Process and Devastating Consequences

The U.S. government today maintains a massive watchlisting system that risks stigmatizing hundreds of thousands of people, including American citizens, as “known or suspected terrorists” based on secret standards and secret evidence, without a meaningful process to challenge error and clear their names. The watchlists in this system are shared widely within the federal government, with state and local law enforcement agencies, and even with foreign governments, heightening the negative consequences for listed individuals. Being placed on a U.S. government watchlist can mean an inability to travel by air or sea; invasive screening at airports; denial of a U.S. visa or permission to enter to the United States; and detention and questioning by U.S. or foreign authorities—to say nothing of shame, fear, uncertainty, and denigration as a terrorism suspect. Watchlisting can prevent disabled military veterans from obtaining needed benefits, separate family members for months or years, ruin employment prospects, and isolate an individual from friends and associates.
Given the gravity of these consequences, it is vital that if the government blacklists people, the standards it uses are appropriately narrow, the information it relies on is accurate and credible, and the manner in which watchlists are used is consistent with the presumption of innocence and the right to a hearing before punishment—legal principles older than our nation itself. Yet the government fails these basic tests of fairness. It has placed individuals on watchlists, and left them there for years, as a result of blatant errors. It has expanded its master terrorist watchlist to include as many as a million names, based on information that is often stale, poorly reviewed, or of questionable reliability. It has adopted a standard for inclusion on the master watchlist that gives agencies and analysts near-unfettered discretion. And it has refused to disclose the standards by which it places individuals on other watchlists, such as the No Fly List.
Compounding this unfairness is the fact that the “redress” procedures the U.S. government provides for those who have been wrongly or mistakenly included on a watchlist are wholly inadequate. Even after people know the government has placed them on a watchlist—including after they are publicly denied boarding on a plane, or subjected to additional and invasive screening at the airport, or told by federal agents that they will be removed from a list if they agree to become a government informant—the government’s official policy is to refuse to confirm or deny watchlist status. Nor is there any meaningful way to contest one’s designation as a potential terrorist and ensure that the U.S. government, and all other users of the information, removes or corrects inaccurate records. The result is that innocent people can languish on the watchlists indefinitely, without real recourse.
A bloated and unfair watchlist system does not make us secure, and the ACLU has long called for fundamental reform. If the government is to use watchlists, it must institute narrow, specific criteria for placing individuals on them; apply rigorous procedures for reviewing, updating, and removing erroneous entries; and limit the use of such lists such that they do not amount to punishment without charge. Individuals must be provided with a meaningful, participatory process by which they can challenge their inclusion on a watchlist before a neutral decision-maker. Ultimately, Congress and the Obama administration must rein in what the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has called “a vast, multi-agency, counterterrorism bureaucracy that tracks hundreds of thousands of individuals”—a bureaucracy that remains secret and unaccountable to the public or the individuals that it targets for blacklisting.

https://www.aclu.org/us-government-watchlisting-unfair-process-and-devastating-consequences

[boutons_deux]

Repugs voted to allow watch list people to have guns.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Repugs voted to allow watch list people to have guns.

Arbitrary list with no due process and 700,000+ people on it that takes years to get off. Fix the list and then put it to vote.

[CosmicCowboy]

Repugs voted to allow watch list people to have guns.

Wonder what else was in the bill?

[boutons_deux]

Wonder what else was in the bill?

guns for everybody, everywhere, all the time is the Repugs' highest priority. Gun industry owns them.

[djohn2oo8]

TSA wants terrorists to have guns

[boutons_deux]

Anti-LGBT Pastor Steven Anderson Applauds Orlando Massacre: 'There's Fifty Less Pedophiles In The World' (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-lgbt-pastor-steven-anderson-applauds-orlando-massacre-theres-fifty-less-pedophiles-worl)
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-lgbt-pastor-steven-anderson-applauds-orlando-massacre-theres-fifty-less-pedophiles-world

[TheSanityAnnex]

TSA wants terrorists to have guns

I see you still haven't read up on the terrorist watch list and are still spewing drivel. No one wants a terrorist to have access to a gun, but this list isn't just full of terrorists, quite the opposite actually.

educate yourself

https://theintercept.com/2014/08/05/watch-commander/

Nearly half of the people on the U.S. government’s widely shared database of terrorist suspects are not connected to any known terrorist group, according to classified government documents (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/08/05/directorate-terrorist-identities-dti-strategic-accomplishments-2013/) obtained by The Intercept.
Of the 680,000 people caught up in the government’s Terrorist Screening Database—a watchlist of “known or suspected terrorists” that is shared with local law enforcement agencies, private contractors, and foreign governments—more than 40 percent are described by the government as having “no recognized terrorist group affiliation.” That category—280,000 people—dwarfs the number of watchlisted people suspected of ties to al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah combined.
The documents, obtained from a source in the intelligence community, also reveal that the Obama Administration has presided over an unprecedented expansion of the terrorist screening system. Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000—surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush.
“If everything is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism,” says David Gomez, a former senior FBI special agent. The watchlisting system, he adds, is “revving out of control.”
https://firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2014/08/shrug_chart_final1.jpg
The classified documents were prepared by the National Counterterrorism Center, the lead agency for tracking individuals with suspected links to international terrorism. Stamped “SECRET” and “NOFORN” (indicating they are not to be shared with foreign governments), they offer the most complete numerical picture of the watchlisting system to date. Among the revelations:
• The second-highest concentration of people designated as “known or suspected terrorists” by the government is in Dearborn, Mich.—a city of 96,000 that has the largest percentage of Arab-American residents in the country.
• The government adds names to its databases, or adds information on existing subjects, at a rate of 900 records each day.
• The CIA uses a previously unknown program, code-named Hydra, to secretly access databases maintained by foreign countries and extract data to add to the watchlists.
A U.S. counterterrorism official familiar with watchlisting data told The Intercept that as of November 2013, there were approximately 700,000 people in the Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, but declined to provide the current numbers. Last month, the Associated Press, citing federal court filings by government lawyers, reported that there have been 1.5 million names added to the watchlist (https://news.yahoo.com/us-terrorist-database-growing-rapid-rate-223303875.html) over the past five years. The government official told The Intercept that was a misinterpretation of the data. “The list has grown somewhat since that time, but is nowhere near the 1.5 million figure cited in recent news reports,” he said. He added that the statistics cited by the Associated Press do not just include nominations of individuals, but also bits of intelligence or biographical information obtained on watchlisted persons.
When U.S. officials refer to “the watchlist,” they typically mean the TSDB, an unclassified pool of information shared across the intelligence community and the military, as well as local law enforcement, foreign governments, and private contractors. According to the government’s watchlisting guidelines, published by The Intercept last month (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/07/23/blacklisted/), officials don’t need “concrete facts” or “irrefutable evidence” to secretly place someone on the list—only a vague and elastic standard of “reasonable suspicion.”
“You need some fact-basis to say a guy is a terrorist, that you know to a probable-cause standard that he is a terrorist,” says Gomez, the former FBI agent. “Then I say, ‘Build as big a file as you can on him.’ But if you just suspect that somebody is a terrorist? Not so much.”
The National Counterterrorism Center did not respond to questions about its terrorist screening system. Instead, in a statement, it praised the watchlisting system as a “critical layer in our counterrorism defenses” and described it as superior to the pre-9/11 process for tracking threats, which relied on lists that were “typed or hand-written in card catalogues and ledgers.” The White House declined to comment.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You liberals need to make up your minds...you either want to target Muslims or you don't. Pick a side.

[TheSanityAnnex]

For all the bitching boutons does about the over reaching and unstoppable NSA I'm shocked he supports this list.

“You might as well have a blue wand and just pretend there’s magic in it, because that’s what we’re doing with this—pretending that it works,” says former FBI agent Michael German, now a fellow at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice. “These agencies see terrorism as a winning card for them. They get more resources. They know that they can wave that card around and the American public will be very afraid and Congress and the courts will allow them to get away with whatever they’re doing under the national security umbrella.”

[djohn2oo8]

Terrorists still get guns, yet they were still on the list.

[Clipper Nation]

742462263009923074

[Fabbs]

All this talk about guns.
When is the govt going to turn a large team of high level hackers loose to find terrorist assholes on the web? Be it the light or dark web.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Terrorists still get guns, yet they were still on the list.
What crimes did they commit? Charge them a with crime and then they won't pass background checks. Furthermore "Nearly half of the people on the U.S. government’s widely shared database of terrorist suspects are not connected to any known terrorist group, according to classified government documents obtained by The Intercept."

[mingus]

I think people should stop using the GUN argument, it doesnt make sense.

If you are crazy and want to kill peoeple you dont need a gun, you can do it in many many many ways, at the end, the probem are is not gun control (not saying that works perfectly) but thats not the problem.

There are other ways, sure. But they're not as effective--for most people. For different reasons. When they get it right, it wrecks havoc (eg Baston Marathon). But a whole lot have been thwarted or weren't made properly.

I have an idea.

If you can't meet an agreed upon IQ score, can't pass a mental health evaluation, or have a criminal record, then you can't own a gun.

I'm not suggesting at all this one law would end gun violence--it wouldn't--but it's a start. It'd weed out some of them from happening, I believe.

That law would have to work in conjunction with other laws to have a serious effect. It's a complicated problem with no easy solution.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Libs have no problem welcoming Muslim refugees to the US as long as they have the ability to deny them constitutional rights.

[TheSanityAnnex]

There are other ways, sure. But they're not as effective--for most people. For different reasons. When they get it right, it wrecks havoc (eg Baston Marathon). But a whole lot have been thwarted or weren't made properly.

I have an idea.

If you can't meet an agreed upon IQ score, can't pass a mental health evaluation, or have a criminal record, then you can't own a gun.

I'm not suggesting at all this one law would end gun violence--it wouldn't--but it's a start. It'd weed out some of them from happening, I believe.

That law would have to work in conjunction with other laws to have a serious effect. It's a complicated problem with no easy solution.
Orlando shooter went through that and more, yearly.

[boutons_deux]

TSA no problem with cops slaughtering (unarmed) knitters, but watch list errors? horrors!

[TheSanityAnnex]

TSA no problem with cops slaughtering (unarmed) knitters, but watch list errors? horrors!
You can't pick and choose when to apply rights.

[djohn2oo8]

What crimes did they commit? Charge them a with crime and then they won't pass background checks. Furthermore "Nearly half of the people on the U.S. government’s widely shared database of terrorist suspects are not connected to any known terrorist group, according to classified government documents obtained by The Intercept."

Sounds like the background checks are not intense enough. Damn being tied to a terrorist group. If you are found to have any anti US sentiments, make threats against the US, you should stay on the list permanently. See, when that doesn't happen, you have shootings like this and the Boston marathon bombing.

[djohn2oo8]

TSA no problem with cops slaughtering (unarmed) knitters, but watch list errors? horrors!

Right.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sounds like the background checks are not intense enough. Damn being tied to a terrorist group. If you are found to have any anti US sentiments, make threats against the US, you should stay on the list permanently. See, when that doesn't happen, you have shootings like this and the Boston marathon bombing.

Boutons would be on the list based on your criteria.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sounds like the background checks are not intense enough. Damn being tied to a terrorist group. If you are found to have any anti US sentiments, make threats against the US, you should stay on the list permanently. See, when that doesn't happen, you have shootings like this and the Boston marathon bombing.

This guy went through multiple background checks, psych evals etc to become licensed to carry as an armed guard. Sounds like your complaint should be directed at the FBI for not sharing this information with the state of Florida. An NICS can't check for what is not on file.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Boutons would be on the list based on your criteria.

No joke he most likely is.

[djohn2oo8]

This guy went through multiple background checks, psych evals etc to become licensed to carry as an armed guard. Sounds like your complaint should be directed at the FBI for not sharing this information with the state of Florida. An NICS can't check for what is not on file.

Fair enough.

[resistanze]

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

[z0sa]

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

No surprise. His own radical values and beliefs he could not reconcile with his love for buttsex.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't understand why we can't all agree that these fucked up shooters suck?

I don't care if they are shitty racist white trash shooting up black churches or Jihadi muslim assholes shooting up gay bars.

They all suck.

Unfortunately there is a certain sick percentage of the population that will always suck.

I think that the only long term cure is to forbid the news media to mention names or glorify the shooters in any way.

Instead of mentioning their name call them "this prejudiced white trash piece of shit" or "this homophobic muslim piece of shit"

Take away the "going down in glory" option for these fucking losers.

[Spurminator]

I don't understand why we can't all agree that these fucked up shooters suck?

I think we do. It's just that we differ on WHY they suck, and any possible reasons for their suckiness that might be in common with any aspect of our lives must be immediately thrown out as irrelevant.


Unfortunately there is a certain sick percentage of the population that will always suck.

I think that the only long term cure is to forbid the news media to mention names or glorify the shooters in any way.

If only that were possible. It's an ideal premise but in reality what this leads to is the information getting out through fringe news outlets anyway while at the same time making it easy for other fringe outlets to completely fabricate things about the shooter.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think we do. It's just that we differ on WHY they suck, and any possible reasons for their suckiness that might be in common with any aspect of our lives must be immediately thrown out as irrelevant.



If only that were possible. It's an ideal premise but in reality what this leads to is the information getting out through fringe news outlets anyway while at the same time making it easy for other fringe outlets to completely fabricate things about the shooter.

Fringe media like he really wasn't a muslim and was just frustrated with his lack of butt sex?

[djohn2oo8]

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

Yep said it at the beginning of the thread. Dude was a repressed homosexual. Well not so repressed with his gay dating app

[Spurminator]

Fringe media like he really wasn't a muslim and was just frustrated with his lack of butt sex?

I don't know enough about that story to form an opinion yet. I'm skeptical of anything coming from Gawker.

Regardless, there's always going to be fringe media, so the benefit of reliable media is to focus discussion on news with merit, even if they're not always perfect. Otherwise, all you have are the Gawkers and Breitbarts and worse.

[djohn2oo8]

Fringe media like he really wasn't a muslim and was just frustrated with his lack of butt sex?

If he had been going to that club for years, it adds credibility to the story.

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump Takes Conspiracy Turn After Orlando

Donald Trump waded into the fever swamps on Monday, suggesting in two interviews that President Obama may have a secret agenda that prevents him from combating Islamic terrorists.

The comments added to a long list of conspiracy theories from the presumptive GOP nominee about the president's religion, birthplace and worldview. They also sent a clear message to Republicans who have begged Trump to soften his rhetoric that he's not changing his ways anytime soon.

"Well, there are a lot of people that think maybe he doesn't want to get it," Trump told NBC's "TODAY" on Monday while discussing the attack that killed at least 49 people at a gay club in Orlando over the weekend. "A lot of people think maybe he doesn't want to know about it.

I happen to think that he just doesn't know what he's doing. But there are many people that think maybe he doesn't want to get it. He doesn't want to see what's really happening."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/donald-trump-s-conspiracy-turn-n591291?cid=sm_fb_lastword

"a lot of people ..." "many people that think ..." :lol

Hey, all you knitter-hatin redneck dogs, Trash is whistling for y'all.

[Th'Pusher]

Donald Trump Takes Conspiracy Turn After Orlando

Donald Trump waded into the fever swamps on Monday, suggesting in two interviews that President Obama may have a secret agenda that prevents him from combating Islamic terrorists.

The comments added to a long list of conspiracy theories from the presumptive GOP nominee about the president's religion, birthplace and worldview. They also sent a clear message to Republicans who have begged Trump to soften his rhetoric that he's not changing his ways anytime soon.

"Well, there are a lot of people that think maybe he doesn't want to get it," Trump told NBC's "TODAY" on Monday while discussing the attack that killed at least 49 people at a gay club in Orlando over the weekend. "A lot of people think maybe he doesn't want to know about it.

I happen to think that he just doesn't know what he's doing. But there are many people that think maybe he doesn't want to get it. He doesn't want to see what's really happening."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/donald-trump-s-conspiracy-turn-n591291?cid=sm_fb_lastword

"a lot of people ..." "many people that think ..." :lol

Hey, all you knitter-hatin redneck dogs, Trash is whistling for y'all.




I think he's just saying Obama is soft on IS :lol

[boutons_deux]

The Orlando massacre was one of 43 shootings yesterday


https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4MXRRjqz2bYpabgKHmt8EzKLEsU=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6643189/gun_violnece_mapfinal.0.png

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/13/11923290/orlando-shooting-gun-violence-us

[spurraider21]

Chiraq

[TheSanityAnnex]

The Orlando massacre was one of 43 shootings yesterday


https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4MXRRjqz2bYpabgKHmt8EzKLEsU=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6643189/gun_violnece_mapfinal.0.png

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/13/11923290/orlando-shooting-gun-violence-us

Keep me updated on thinkprogress.com's revised right wing terrorists vs Islamic terrorist body count article you so frequently liked spam.

[boutons_deux]

Muslim terrorists in USA are really pussies compared to your beloved rightwing terrorists, that your beloved rightwing hate media never spotlights.

[spurraider21]

Tbh it's nice to see Republicans actually pretending to care about the guy community. The biggest mass shooting in US history was all it took

[TheSanityAnnex]

Muslim terrorists in USA are really pussies compared to your beloved rightwing terrorists, that your beloved rightwing hate media never spotlights.
Your beloved Muslim terrorist just topped the body count of your entire list of right wing terrorists deaths, by himself, in 10 minutes.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Right-Wing Terrorists Are Killing More Americans Than Jihadists Are



Homegrown Extremists Far Right Wing Attacks

Total number of people killed:48





Plot name
Persons killed


2015 Colorado Planned Parenthood Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1678448521)
3


2015 Charleston Church Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=560848931)
9


2014 Las Vegas Police Ambush (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1713)
3


2014 Kansas Jewish Center Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1681)
3


2014 Blooming Grove Police Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1792)
1


2012 Tri-State Killing Spree (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1679)
4


2012 St. John's Parish Police Ambush (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1678)
2


2012 Sikh Temple Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1680)
6


2011 FEAR Militia (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1682)
3


2010 Carlisle, PA Murder (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1676)
1


2010 Austin, TX Plane Attack (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1677)
1


2009 Pittsburgh Police Shootings (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1675)
3


2009 Holocaust Museum Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1670)
1


2009 George Tiller Assassination (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1671)
1


2009 Flores Murders, Pima County, AZ (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1672)
2


2009 Brockton, MA Murders (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1674)
2


2008 Knoxville, TN Church Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1669)
2


2004 Tulsa OK, Bank Robbery (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1668)
1








In 10 minutes Mateen topped 11 years. Update your list boutons.

[spurraider21]

:cheer

[Trill Clinton]

so the guy was on the down low and frequented the club several times. are we going with the mentally ill angle, radical terrorist or other? personally, i'm still waiting for all the facts. seems to be a lot going on here.

[djohn2oo8]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-20160613-snap-story,amp.html#

its in the la times now

[Will Hunting]

Don't worry conservatives, this doesn't mean radical Islam is absolved of any blame, but it seems pretty clear that more than anything else, the cause of this is a shooter with some mental issues.

[Spurminator]

Don't worry conservatives, this doesn't mean radical Islam is absolved of any blame, but it seems pretty clear that more than anything else, the cause of this is a shooter with some mental issues.

#RadicalHomosexualTerrorism

[Will Hunting]

so the guy was on the down low and frequented the club several times. are we going with the mentally ill angle, radical terrorist or other? personally, i'm still waiting for all the facts. seems to be a lot going on here.

His ex-wife said he's bi-polar and crazy, and the witnesses who know him from the club said he was a weirdo.

I'm going with the mentally ill angle. It might have been ISIS propaganda that tipped him over the edge, but this doesn't seem like an otherwise normal guy who's been brainwashed and trained by ISIS.

[Will Hunting]

#RadicalBipolarHomosexualTerrorism

fify :lol

Only question now is who do we blame, the homosexual community or the bipolar community?

[Spurminator]

Bi- Bi-

[z0sa]

so the guy was on the down low and frequented the club several times. are we going with the mentally ill angle, radical terrorist or other? personally, i'm still waiting for all the facts. seems to be a lot going on here.

Theyre all at play.

[pgardn]

Trump speaks on Orlando and President Obama's reaction to it:

Look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind," Trump said on Fox & Friends. "And the something else in mind — you know, people can't believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words 'radical Islamic terrorism.' There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."

Does anyone know what is going on that is inconceivable that people cannot believe?

[SpursforSix]

There is a report that they are preparing to arrest a possible accompliss.

[SpursforSix]

Trump speaks on Orlando and President Obama's reaction to it:

Look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind," Trump said on Fox & Friends. "And the something else in mind — you know, people can't believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words 'radical Islamic terrorism.' There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."

Does anyone know what is going on that is inconceivable that people cannot believe?

That Omar worked for a security company that did federal jobs including being responsible for transporting and releasing OTM illegal immigrants.

[pgardn]

That Omar worked for a security company that did federal jobs including being responsible for transporting and releasing OTM illegal immigrants.

And Obama gave him the job?

[DMX7]

Trump speaks on Orlando and President Obama's reaction to it:

Look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind," Trump said on Fox & Friends. "And the something else in mind — you know, people can't believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words 'radical Islamic terrorism.' There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."

Does anyone know what is going on that is inconceivable that people cannot believe?

LOL at Trump... Obama has got "something else in mind"? Please share with us what that "something else in mind" is, Trump. I am so sick of this clown's act. I was going to support him mostly just to stick it to Hillary, but I can't. What a lunatic.

[HI-FI]

LOL at Trump... Obama has got "something else in mind"? Please share with us what that "something else in mind" is, Trump. I am so sick of this clown's act. I was going to support him mostly just to stick it to Hillary, but I can't. What a lunatic.
Just vote for Hillary, ya know you want to. More wars, more free shit :tu

[pgardn]

LOL at Trump... Obama has got "something else in mind"? Please share with us what that "something else in mind" is, Trump. I am so sick of this clown's act. I was going to support him mostly just to stick it to Hillary, but I can't. What a lunatic.

I seriously don't even get what he is referring to.

I don't think Spurs46 has hit on it.
I don't get it?

[Th'Pusher]

Trump speaks on Orlando and President Obama's reaction to it:

Look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind," Trump said on Fox & Friends. "And the something else in mind — you know, people can't believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words 'radical Islamic terrorism.' There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."

Does anyone know what is going on that is inconceivable that people cannot believe?

"something going on" imo is a reference to the general pc movement trump is always ranting about. The refusal to acknowledge/identify the enemy, etc. To trump that whole dynamic is inconceivable

[DMX7]

There is a report that they are preparing to arrest a possible accompliss.

accomplice... and are actually credible sources reporting this?

[pgardn]

"something going on" imo is a reference to the general pc movement trump is always ranting about. The refusal to acknowledge/identify the enemy, etc. To trump that whole dynamic is inconceivable


This is one of Obama's statements:

President Obama, speaking to reporters (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/politics/obama-orlando-shooter-isis.html) at the White House, said it appeared the attack was “an example of the kind of homegrown extremism that all of us have been concerned about,” with a gunman who was inspired by radical material he found online.



This is PC?
Oh...
Maybe he left out radical Islam?

[DMX7]

I seriously don't even get what he is referring to.

I don't think Spurs46 has hit on it.
I don't get it?

Trump is saying Obama can't possibly be this incompetent (which doesn't make sense to begin with), and therefore Trump is saying that the only logical conclusion for why this happened is because Obama himself is actually a terrorist or at the very least, a terrorist sympathizer.

[pgardn]

Trump is saying Obama can't possibly be this incompetent (which doesn't make sense to begin with), and therefore Trump is saying the only logical conclusion is that Obama himself is actually a terrorist or at the very least, a terrorist sympathizer.

And yet we drone them every other day...

Hmmm...

[SpursforSix]

accomplice... and are actually credible sources reporting this?

Thanks. I knew it looked wrong.

An ABC affiliate. They're now saying it's someone who might have known about it. Not necessarily someone complicity in on it.

[Th'Pusher]

This is one of Obama's statements:

President Obama, speaking to reporters (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/politics/obama-orlando-shooter-isis.html) at the White House, said it appeared the attack was “an example of the kind of homegrown extremism that all of us have been concerned about,” with a gunman who was inspired by radical material he found online.



This is PC?
Oh...
Maybe he left out radical Islam?

Yeah. Without admitting it was radical Islam, you can't effectively combat what happened in San Bernardino and Orlando.

[DMX7]

This bullshit fits Trump's narrative that Obama isn't even an American. He thinks Obama wasn't born in this country. Of course he doesn't want to talk about it anymore since he got exposed as a total fraud with the "birther -- where's the birth certificate?" thing.

[SpursforSix]

accomplice... and are actually credible sources reporting this?

Down the page at 5:00

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/gun-store-owner-where-orlando-shooter-bought-weapons-says-mateen-passed-background-check/340126409

[DMX7]

And yet we drone them every other day...

Hmmm...

One of the many reasons you have to be a total idiot and completely ignorant to buy that BS.

[Th'Pusher]

LOL at Trump... Obama has got "something else in mind"? Please share with us what that "something else in mind" is, Trump. I am so sick of this clown's act. I was going to support him mostly just to stick it to Hillary, but I can't. What a lunatic.

Youve officialaly abandoned the Trumpet shtick? :wakeup

[DMX7]

Youve officialaly abandoned the Trumpet shtick? :wakeup

I gave him a chance and he blew it. Hillary lies through her teeth as well but this guy is on another level. The size and scope of his bullshit is historic.

[DMX7]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-revokes-washington-posts-press-credentials/

Trump campaign revokes Washington Post's press credentials


Donald Trump on Monday revoked the Washington Post's press credentials over what he and his campaign deemed unfair coverage.

Trump tweeted about the issue, calling the Post's coverage "incredibly inaccurate":

The story Trump was referring to was one on his comments today, titled "Donald Trump seems to connect President Obama to Orlando shooting." (An earlier headline on the piece read, "Donald Trump suggests President Obama was involved with Orlando shooting.") It notes Trump's comments from a Fox News appearance Monday morning, in which he seems to suggest there's a chance Mr. Obama was somehow connected to the massacre at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning.

"He doesn't get it or he gets it better than anybody understands," Trump said of Mr. Obama. "It's one or the other. And either one is unacceptable."

[pgardn]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-revokes-washington-posts-press-credentials/

Trump campaign revokes Washington Post's press credentials

Holy shit.

He is a lunatic. I mean I knew he was. But not like he needs some sort of rehab or shock therapy. Apparently he needs to be hospitalized. Possibly a stroke? The guy is mentally unstable.

[DMX7]

Holy shit.

He is a lunatic. I mean I knew he was. But not like he needs some sort of rehab or shock therapy. Apparently he needs to be hospitalized. Possibly a stroke? The guy is mentally unstable.

Chris Hayes interestingly pointed out that not even Nixon revoked the Washington Post's press credentials even as they methodically reported his ass straight out of the White House during the Watergate scandal.

[pgardn]

Chris Hayes interestingly pointed out that not even Nixon revoked the Washington Post's press credentials even as they methodically reported his ass straight out of the White House during the Watergate scandal.

And that was not during a presidential campaign. Nixon was in trouble.
If Trump thinks the Washington Post will just go away... Or adhere to the King's blackout he is just daft. They will just dig at him harder. Like revoking press credentials stops them from digging into his past or reporting on him...
God he is an idiot. But a presidential nominee.

Its 1 v. 1 now and he is still saying this stuff.

[Th'Pusher]

And that was not during a presidential campaign. Nixon was in trouble.
If Trump thinks the Washington Post will just go away... Or adhere to the King's blackout he is just daft. They will just dig at him harder. Like revoking press credentials stops them from digging into his past or reporting on him...
God he is an idiot. But a presidential nominee.
He was the overwhelming choice of the base of the Republican Party. What I enjoy watching at this point are the non-trumpets backing into a pro trump position because he has an R next to his name.

[boutons_deux]

Mateen was a gay Muslim, alcohol-drinking ISIS TERRORIST? :lol

Orlando Gunman Was a Pulse Nightclub Regular, Used Gay Dating App

Omar Mateen, the homophobic terrorist who carried out the recent horrific mass shooting in Orlando, may have been a closeted homosexual, according to Pulse regulars.
Ty Smith and Chris Callen, who are described as a “drag-dancing married couple” by The Canadian Press, said Mateen had visited Orlando’s Pulse nightclub roughly a dozen times (http://www.cjad.com/WorldCP/Article.aspx?id=517501), even getting so drunk that club security had to expel him from the bar on at least one occasion.

While it was reported that Mateen went into a fit of rage after seeing gay men kiss in front of him (http://gawker.com/orlando-nightclub-gunmans-father-says-son-was-angry-aft-1781835136#_ga=1.41966629.1259564226.1453730115), Smith said that was “bullcrap,” saying Mateen has seen plenty of men kiss before.

“That’s straight-up crap. He’s been around us,” said Smith. “Some of those people did a little more than (kiss) outside the bar…. He was partying with the people who supposedly drove him to do this?”

“He’s been going to this bar for at least three years,” Callen told The Canadian Press.

“(He’d get) really, really drunk… He couldn’t drink when he was at home—around his wife, or family. His father was really strict… He used to bitch about it,” Smith said.

http://usuncut.com/news/orlando-gunman-pulse-regular/

Go ahead, Barry, say it: "Mateen was a ISIS Muslim radical terrorist!" :lol

Repugs' hate, blind ideology, pandering to Christian Taliban ALWAYS fucks the Repugs up so bad! :lol

Go ahead, Barry, say it: "Mateen was a ISIS Muslim radical terrorist!" :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Oh boy another Trump thread.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Mateen was a gay Muslim, alcohol-drinking ISIS TERRORIST? :lol

Orlando Gunman Was a Pulse Nightclub Regular, Used Gay Dating App

Omar Mateen, the homophobic terrorist who carried out the recent horrific mass shooting in Orlando, may have been a closeted homosexual, according to Pulse regulars.
Ty Smith and Chris Callen, who are described as a “drag-dancing married couple” by The Canadian Press, said Mateen had visited Orlando’s Pulse nightclub roughly a dozen times (http://www.cjad.com/WorldCP/Article.aspx?id=517501), even getting so drunk that club security had to expel him from the bar on at least one occasion.

While it was reported that Mateen went into a fit of rage after seeing gay men kiss in front of him (http://gawker.com/orlando-nightclub-gunmans-father-says-son-was-angry-aft-1781835136#_ga=1.41966629.1259564226.1453730115), Smith said that was “bullcrap,” saying Mateen has seen plenty of men kiss before.

“That’s straight-up crap. He’s been around us,” said Smith. “Some of those people did a little more than (kiss) outside the bar…. He was partying with the people who supposedly drove him to do this?”

“He’s been going to this bar for at least three years,” Callen told The Canadian Press.

“(He’d get) really, really drunk… He couldn’t drink when he was at home—around his wife, or family. His father was really strict… He used to bitch about it,” Smith said.

http://usuncut.com/news/orlando-gunman-pulse-regular/

Go ahead, Barry, say it: "Mateen was a ISIS Muslim radical terrorist!" :lol

Repugs' hate, blind ideology, pandering to Christian Taliban ALWAYS fucks the Repugs up so bad! :lol

Go ahead, Barry, say it: "Mateen was a ISIS Muslim radical terrorist!" :lol



Disregard the phone call and pledge to ISIS, he drank alcohol.

[djohn2oo8]

A former classmate of Omar Mateen’s 2006 police academy class said he believed Mateen was gay, saying Mateen once asked him out.

[djohn2oo8]

A former classmate of Omar Mateen’s 2006 police academy class said he believed Mateen was gay, saying Mateen once asked him out.

http://m.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-gay-former-classma/nrfwW/

[Pelicans78]

Disregard the phone call and pledge to ISIS, he drank alcohol.

To be fair, him drinking alcohol regularly and going to a gay club means there's more to the story than just him an ISIS terrorist.

[z0sa]

Lol at boutons defending a dick wielding transgenders right to call himself a lady in the restroom but not an ar 15 wielding mass murdering Muslim's right to call himself an ISIS terrorist. You and everyone like you are seriously wacko.

[pgardn]

He was the overwhelming choice of the base of the Republican Party. What I enjoy watching at this point are the non-trumpets backing into a pro trump position because he has an R next to his name.

Trump has got the antiHillary thing going. But I thought he would tone it down but he can't because he has a brain lesion. It's almost like he is trying to lose.

[djohn2oo8]

To be fair, him drinking alcohol regularly and going to a gay club means there's more to the story than just him an ISIS terrorist.

And going to that club for 3 years

[pgardn]

Oh boy another Trump thread.

Shit...
Donald would love it.

If he would shut his Fkn crazy ass mouth he would not have entered this. The man has lost his mind.

[HI-FI]

To be fair, him drinking alcohol regularly and going to a gay club means there's more to the story than just him an ISIS terrorist.
Very possible he was wrestling with personal issues and sin so decided to go out in an Islamic blaze of glory imo.

[pgardn]

Trump speaks on Orlando and President Obama's reaction to it:

Look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind," Trump said on Fox & Friends. "And the something else in mind — you know, people can't believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words 'radical Islamic terrorism.' There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."

Does anyone know what is going on that is inconceivable that people cannot believe?

[pgardn]

Very possible he was wrestling with personal issues and sin so decided to go out in an Islamic blaze of glory imo.

Yep.

[djohn2oo8]

Very possible he was wrestling with personal issues and sin so decided to go out in an Islamic blaze of glory imo.

Very likely, he got more pissed off he couldn't come out that he was gay, his father would denounce him. So seing two dudes kiss broke the last straw, and claims ISIS as a cover.

[boutons_deux]

Lol at boutons defending a dick wielding transgenders right to call himself a lady in the restroom but not an ar 15 wielding mass murdering Muslim's right to call himself an ISIS terrorist. You and everyone like you are seriously wacko.

no defense. Just ROFLMAO at you paranoid dickless muslim-haters jumping to your prejudiced conclusions before all the data are in.

[z0sa]

no defense. Just ROFLMAO at you paranoid dickless muslim-haters jumping to your prejudiced conclusions before all the data are in.

The necessary data is in. He considered himself a terrorist, committed a mass murder and is on record pledging himself to ISIS. This is indisputable.

Typical neolib.

[Clipper Nation]

To be fair, him drinking alcohol regularly and going to a gay club means there's more to the story than just him an ISIS terrorist.

All it means is that he was a self-loathing gay ISIS terrorist.

[djohn2oo8]

Mateen was married at least once, to a woman named Sitora Yusufiy, who said Sunday that he was unstable and abusive during their brief marriage. Yusufiy, who is now dating a Brazilian man, also sat for an interview with Brazilian TV Monday. Speaking in Portuguese, her boyfriend said in the interview that she had described Mateen as having “gay tendencies” and said his dad had called him gay in front of her on several occasions.

The boyfriend also said Yusufiy told the FBI her ex-husband was unstable and that she did not believe he was part of a terrorist group.

[djohn2oo8]

http://gawker.com/multiple-people-say-the-orlando-shooter-was-gay-1781932976

[djohn2oo8]

All it means is that he was a self-loathing gay ISIS terrorist.

Yet ISIS hates gay people so how was he ISIS? :lmao

[spurraider21]

Yet ISIS hates gay people so how was he ISIS? :lmao
because he killed 50 gay people in the name of isis?

[Clipper Nation]

Yet ISIS hates gay people so how was he ISIS? :lmao
He pledged allegiance to them, visited radical mosques and hung out with radical Islamists. Case closed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

he called in and pledged allegiance to ISIS during the middle of his murdering spree, but but but he has been drunk and may have liked penis so nope, can not be an Muslim terrorist.

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity.

Kitman - Lying by omission.

Tawriya - Intentionally creating a false impression.

Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others

[HI-FI]

he called in and pledged allegiance to ISIS during the middle of his murdering spree, but but but he has been drunk and may have liked penis so nope, can not be an Muslim terrorist.

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity.

Kitman - Lying by omission.

Tawriya - Intentionally creating a false impression.

Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others
This is possible as well. Iirc one of the Bataclan masterminds was frequenting gay clubs too, so who knows if it's some last days of disco before killing people shit or if ISIS has an inordinate amount of gays.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The AR series weapons were designed for the military. They were first marketed to the military who called it the M-16. They now manufacture them to make it difficult to make them fully automatic on your own but to say they wouldn't be effective in combat is just nonsense from people that play semantic games to try and avoid gun laws.
So effective that no government has ever issued them to their military.

[djohn2oo8]

because he killed 50 gay people in the name of isis?

He killed people becaude he was a repressed homo.

[djohn2oo8]

If a heady combination of shame and sexuality were part of what drove Mateen’s decisions that morning, how is that to be policed? How can we, to borrow the language of counterterrorism, ‘eradicate’ the ‘scourge’ of internalised homophobia? Of a feeling that one’s desires are dirty and humiliating? You can’t easily make a homeland secure against self-loathing.

[djohn2oo8]

Well, we now know that Omar Mateen had, at the very least, a sustained interest in homosexuality. He wasn’t a stranger at Pulse. One regular, Ty Smith, told the LA Times he had seen him there on at least 12 occasions. “Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent”. Note that Smith chose the word “belligerent” rather than “bigoted”. Angry, prone to lashing out. Not, as far as has been reported, spitting homophobic slurs. You could argue that he was engaged in reconnaissance. But why get drunk (something that is forbidden in Islam) if your aim is to scope out a field of operations?

[djohn2oo8]

hen there’s his use of the dating app, Jack’d. It describes itself as the “largest and fastest growing dating app for guys looking to meet guys. It’s fast, free and fun!” What was it doing on Mateen’s phone? A means of getting his blood up? Enraging himself so he’d be better able to fulfill his jihadist destiny? In that case, why message Pulse regular, Kevin West “on and off for a year”?


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/14/omar-mateen-gay-men-terrorism-pulse-jackd-sexuality


When asked why she thought he went regularly to a gay club, Yusufiy told CNN “When we had gotten married he confessed to me about his past that was recent at that time, and that he very much enjoyed going to clubs and the nightlife … I feel like it’s a side of him or a part of him that he lived but probably didn’t want everybody to know about.” Asked if she thought he was gay, she said “I don’t know”.

[boutons_deux]

Well, we now know that Omar Mateen had, at the very least, a sustained interest in homosexuality. He wasn’t a stranger at Pulse. One regular, Ty Smith, told the LA Times he had seen him there on at least 12 occasions. “Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent”. Note that Smith chose the word “belligerent” rather than “bigoted”. Angry, prone to lashing out. Not, as far as has been reported, spitting homophobic slurs. You could argue that he was engaged in reconnaissance. But why get drunk (something that is forbidden in Islam) if your aim is to scope out a field of operations?

Forget all the subtleties, complexities. All the Repugs and bigots need to know, must force Obama to say, is that he was MUSLIM, so ALL Muslims are suspect and bad.

[Trill Clinton]

His ex-wife said he's bi-polar and crazy, and the witnesses who know him from the club said he was a weirdo.

I'm going with the mentally ill angle. It might have been ISIS propaganda that tipped him over the edge, but this doesn't seem like an otherwise normal guy who's been brainwashed and trained by ISIS.

Hmmmm I'm starting to lean the mentally ill angle as well. He was #bluelivesmatter and he hated gays...on paper he was your average blue blooded American.

Many repressed homosexuals struggle with and hate there sexuality and lash out. I read that when he would go to that club, he'd get drunk and obnoxious. This story reminds me of that shooter in Santa monica (I think) the guy who made vids saying girls don't like him and wondered why he can't get laid before going on that shooting spree

[Trill Clinton]

Djohn, not only that. He was drinking and going to gay clubs during Ramadan.

[djohn2oo8]

Djohn, not only that. He was drinking and going to gay clubs during Ramadan.

Exactly.

[djohn2oo8]

He was violent towards his wife before, then decided to take it out on the people he blamed for his feelings.

[boutons_deux]

come on, people, he was Muslim! that's all that counts for the bigots

iow, Obama was and is correct not call this MUSLIM terrorism.

[djohn2oo8]

come on, people, he was Muslim! that's all that counts for the bigots

iow, Obama was and is correct not call this MUSLIM terrorism.

Yep.

[boutons_deux]

Guns killed more Americans in the past 50 years than every US war ever

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/3/9842346/guns-kill-more-than-war

gun killings are more definitively American than apple pie.

gun killings, for gun industry profits, are what keeps America exceptionally great. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Senator draws a curious connection between assault rifles, bombs

As Politico reported (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/ron-johnson-guns-ideology-224270), Johnson told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that fully automatic weapons are already banned, so policymakers should go no further.

A puzzled Blitzer pressed Johnson, seeking clarity on the Republican senator’s distinction between banned fully-automatic weapons and the legally purchased semi-automatic rifle used by shooter Omar Mateen.

“The AR-15 that was used in this terror attack, killing 49 people, you wouldn’t describe that as an assault weapon?” Blitzer asked. “You’re differentiating between that and a fully automatic assault weapon? Because that weapon certainly did kill a lot of people.”

“So do bombs,” Johnson replied. “So there are other ways that terrorists can slaughter people.”


Um, OK, but does Johnson – who somehow was made chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee – realize that bombs are already heavily regulated, tightly controlled, and legally restricted for personal ownership?


You are not allowed to own a bomb, or carry a bomb on your back while visiting your neighborhood Chipotle.

Not even if you claim you need a bomb for self-protection, or because you’re afraid there are other people out there with other bombs who might try to bomb you first. We’re not stupid, after all.

You cannot buy ready-made bombs at Walmart, because Walmart is not allowed to sell ready-made mass murder devices.

Even those Americans that are permitted to own and operate bombs (for example, for excavation purposes) face very, very tight state and federal regulations and restrictions; as for the rest of us, outside of military service we are allowed to be in personal possession of a mass-murder-sized bomb approximately never.

Perhaps because America has bomb control, our nation faces no epidemic of bomb-related mass murders.

There are some – most in recent decades perpetrated by radical far-right groups against government targets or as part of anti-abortion extremism – but we do not have bombs going off on a daily basis in cities around the nation, the bodies piling up in our trauma centers and in our morgues while our politicians wonder what, if anything, should be done.

That would seem to offer at least some evidence that our “bomb controls” are, despite the continued ability of some very small band of lunatics to create bombs despite the obstacles we have thrust in their way, working.


All of this, by the way, came in response to Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R) surprisingly ignorant call (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rubio-wants-shift-focus-gun-control-bomb-control) after the mass murders in San Bernardino for increased “bomb control,” not “gun control.”

Six months later, Ron Johnson’s rhetoric appears slightly worse because his point is more incoherent.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/senator-draws-curious-connection-between-assault-rifles-bombs?cid=sm_fb_maddow

:lol Articles like this, based on actual Repug, etc quotes, is why you bubbas HATE Maddow bitch slapping y'all's side. :lol

Here's the kind of "logic" gun fellators make:

"Heavy, enforced bomb regulations must be repealed because they didn't stop the OKC bombing.

If those Murrah building kiddies would have had bombs, they could have bombed bombed in self-defense

Anyway there's no Constitutional amendment protecting the right to run around with bombs"

[CosmicCowboy]

Guns killed more Americans in the past 50 years than every US war ever

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/3/9842346/guns-kill-more-than-war

gun killings are more definitively American than apple pie.

gun killings, for gun industry profits, are what keeps America exceptionally great. :lol




Typical crap that includes suicides in the gun deaths.

[boutons_deux]

Typical crap that includes suicides in the gun deaths.

yeah, we know the position of you rednecks, suicide people are losers, fuckoffs, mentally ill, so let's keep making it easy AND EXTREMELY RELIABLE for them kill themselves. Good riddance. Eugenics rules, OK!

[Clipper Nation]

come on, people, he was Muslim! that's all that counts for the bigots

iow, Obama was and is correct not call this MUSLIM terrorism.
He was a self-loathing gay! That totally cancels out the radical mosque he worshipped at, how he celebrated 9/11, drew numerous complaints from his coworkers by threatening to kill them and bragging about his "terrorist ties," and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others

[Pelicans78]

He was a self-loathing gay! That totally cancels out the radical mosque he worshipped at, how he celebrated 9/11, drew numerous complaints from his coworkers by threatening to kill them and bragging about his "terrorist ties," and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others

Both of those are BS; Drinking is forbidden in the Quaran and nothing can allow that no matter what, especially during Ramadan when someone is supposed to be fasting. And no one has declared that mosque radical even though two terrorists went to that mosque. You're a typical right-wing sheep who can't think for himself because you use all the same soundbites.

[CosmicCowboy]

Both of those are BS; Drinking is forbidden in the Quaran and nothing can allow that no matter what, especially during Ramadan when someone is supposed to be fasting. And no one has declared that mosque radical even though two terrorists went to that mosque. You're a typical right-wing sheep who can't think for himself because you use all the same soundbites.

:lmao

Who needs the FBI when Junior G-man Pelican has it all figured out that it was just a suppressed gay guy doing what suppressed gay guys do!!

http://www.gthreeonline.com/jr%20gman/badge-201.jpg

[Pelicans78]

:lmao

Who needs the FBI when Junior G-man Pelican has it all figured out that it was just a suppressed gay guy doing what suppressed gay guys do!!

http://www.gthreeonline.com/jr%20gman/badge-201.jpg

Truth is this guy had tons of propaganda stuff as well as drinking and going to gay clubs. So its a combination of the two.

But at least I didn't vote for dubya twice. Have fun knowing you contributed to 8 of the worst years in American history.

[Ghazi]

This guy pledged allegiance to Hezbollah and IsIS apparently... two groups at war with each othet.. Conclusion? This guy was just a basketcase, not influenced by Islamic idealogy or even IsIs idealogy in the least bit.. people are typically irrational that go on suicide missions... this guy stood for nothing.

[boutons_deux]

National Rifle Association: Official Says Government's 'Political Correctness' Led to Orlando Shooting


Chris Cox, NRA Institute for Legislative Action executive director, wrote in USA Today that "political correctness" prevented federal action from being taken against the gunman prior to the attack.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283384-nra-political-correctness-allowed-for-orlando-shooting

And the gun fellators swallow NRA's turd with gusto.

[DMX7]

hen there’s his use of the dating app, Jack’d. It describes itself as the “largest and fastest growing dating app for guys looking to meet guys. It’s fast, free and fun!” What was it doing on Mateen’s phone? A means of getting his blood up? Enraging himself so he’d be better able to fulfill his jihadist destiny? In that case, why message Pulse regular, Kevin West “on and off for a year”?


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/14/omar-mateen-gay-men-terrorism-pulse-jackd-sexuality


When asked why she thought he went regularly to a gay club, Yusufiy told CNN “When we had gotten married he confessed to me about his past that was recent at that time, and that he very much enjoyed going to clubs and the nightlife … I feel like it’s a side of him or a part of him that he lived but probably didn’t want everybody to know about.” Asked if she thought he was gay, she said “I don’t know”.

Gay dating apps and websites have really provocative names. Jack'd? :lol Sounds scary. :lol

[DMX7]

National Rifle Association: Official Says Government's 'Political Correctness' Led to Orlando Shooting


Chris Cox, NRA Institute for Legislative Action executive director, wrote in USA Today that "political correctness" prevented federal action from being taken against the gunman prior to the attack.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283384-nra-political-correctness-allowed-for-orlando-shooting

And the gun fellators swallow NRA's turd with gusto.





There are actually some things that could have been done better. The FBI should have been alerted when someone they were looking into for sometime starting arming himself with guns including an AR-15.

[djohn2oo8]

but but ISIS
742119636720746496

[djohn2oo8]

He was so radical in his Islamism, he didn't understand the difference between Shias and Sunnis, and he asked men out on the regular. :lol

Thats what TSA and CN want you to believe

[TheSanityAnnex]

but but ISIS
742119636720746496

Nidal Hasan was a member of the US Army, what is your point?

[TheSanityAnnex]

There are actually some things that could have been done better. The FBI should have been alerted when someone they were looking into for sometime starting arming himself with guns including an AR-15.

Amid the chaos of the 2009 holiday travel season, jihadists planned to slaughter 290 innocent travelers on a Christmas Day flight from the Netherlands to Detroit, Michigan. Twenty-three-year old Nigerian Muslim Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab intended to detonate Northwest Airlines Flight 253, but the explosives in his underwear malfunctioned and brave passengers subdued him until he could be arrested. The graphic and traumatic defeat they planned for the United States failed, that time.
Following the attempted attack, President Obama threw the intelligence community under the bus for its failure to “connect the dots.” He said, “this was not a failure to collect intelligence, it was a failure to integrate and understand the intelligence that we already had.”
Most Americans were unaware of the enormous damage to morale at the Department of Homeland Security, where I worked, his condemnation caused. His words infuriated many of us because we knew his administration had been engaged in a bureaucratic effort to destroy the raw material—the actual intelligence we had collected for years, and erase those dots. The dots constitute the intelligence needed to keep Americans safe, and the Obama administration was ordering they be wiped away.

After leaving my 15 year career at DHS, I can no longer be silent about the dangerous state of America’s counter-terror strategy, our leaders’ willingness to compromise the security of citizens for the ideological rigidity of political correctness—and, consequently, our vulnerability to devastating, mass-casualty attack.
Just before that Christmas Day attack, in early November 2009, I was ordered by my superiors at the Department of Homeland Security to delete or modify several hundred records of individuals tied to designated Islamist terror groups like Hamas from the important federal database, the Treasury Enforcement Communications System (TECS). These types of records are the basis for any ability to “connect dots.” Every day, DHS Customs and Border Protection officers watch entering and exiting many individuals associated with known terrorist affiliations, then look for patterns. Enforcing a political scrubbing of records of Muslims greatly affected our ability to do that. Even worse, going forward, my colleagues and I were prohibited from entering pertinent information into the database.
A few weeks later, in my office at the Port of Atlanta, the television hummed with the inevitable Congressional hearings that follow any terrorist attack. While members of Congress grilled Obama administration officials, demanding why their subordinates were still failing to understand the intelligence they had gathered, I was being forced to delete and scrub the records. And I was well aware that, as a result, it was going to be vastly more difficult to “connect the dots” in the future—especially beforean attack occurs.
As the number of successful and attempted Islamic terrorist attacks on America increased, the type of information that the Obama administration ordered removed from travel and national security databases was the kind of information that, if properly assessed, could have prevented subsequent domestic Islamist attacks like the ones committed by Faisal Shahzad (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/world/asia/in-pakistan-4-acquitted-in-new-york-bomb-plot.html?ref=topics) (May 2010), Detroit “honor killing” perpetrator Rahim A. Alfetlawi (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/05/03/20110503minnesota-woman-killed-muslim-customs-motive03-ON.html) (2011); Amine El Khalifi (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/terrorist-attack-45th-attempted-terrorist-plot-against-united-states), who plotted to blow up the U.S. Capitol (2012); Dzhokhar or Tamerlan Tsarnaev (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/16/us/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-death-sentence.html?_r=0) who conducted the Boston Marathon bombing (2013); Oklahoma beheading suspect Alton Nolen (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/man-beheaded-co-worker-moore-oklahoma-workplace-attack-police-n212396) (2014); or Muhammed Yusuf Abdulazeez (https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/07/17/another-jihad-attack-another-mb-mosque-will-there-be-an-investigation/), who opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee (2015).
It is very plausible that one or more of the subsequent terror attacks on the homeland could have been prevented if more subject matter experts in the Department of Homeland Security had been allowed to do our jobs back in late 2009. It is demoralizing—and infuriating—that today, those elusive dots are even harder to find, and harder to connect, than they were during the winter of 2009.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/268282-dhs-ordered-me-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terror

[djohn2oo8]

:lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/omar-mateen-may-not-have-understood-the-difference-between-isis-al-qaeda-and-hezbollah/

[Splits]

Who said it?


People are going to slip through the cracks... you know, oftentimes this happens and the neighborhood’s just, you know, we sort of saw that about him, it really looked like he could be a problem’ but it’s often hard to put someone in an institution for the rest of their lives based on the fact that he looks like he could be a problem.

[CosmicCowboy]

Trump

Your point?

[boutons_deux]

These 7 Christian leaders showed their love by celebrating the Orlando nightclub massacre

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/these-7-christian-leaders-showed-their-love-by-celebrating-the-orlando-nightclub-massacre/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Splits]

Trump

Your point?


Now, the Muslim communities so importantly, they have to work with us. They have to cooperate with law enforcement and turn in the people who they know are bad. And they know it. And they have to do it and they have to do it forthwith. …

They know what is going on. They know that the Orlando shooter was bad. They knew the people in San Bernardino were bad. But you know what, they didn't turn them in, and we had death and destruction. …


When people know what is going on and they don't tell us and we have an attack and people die, these people have to have consequences. Big consequences. America must do more, much more, to protect its citizens.

[CosmicCowboy]

uhhh.

shit happens

[spurraider21]

Apparently the shooters wife knew he was going to go on a killing spree. Instead of reporting it she "tried to talk him out of it"

My ass

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So effective that no government has ever issued them to their military.

The US military were marketed the AR-15, bought it, and then renamed it the M-16, dimwit. They then modified it to skirt various gun laws in the 1980s to sell to the public. But you have fun playing the obfuscating semantics.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently the shooters wife knew he was going to go on a killing spree. Instead of reporting it she "tried to talk him out of it"

My ass

He'd been reported before and the FBI did nothing after interviewing him. He apparently threatened violence regularly.

[CosmicCowboy]

They were marketed the AR-15, bought it, and then renamed it the M-16, dimwit. They then modified it to skirt various gun laws in the 1980s to sell to the public. But you have fun playing the obfuscating semantics.

:lmao

Damn you are dumb.

That is totally not true.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao

Damn you are dumb.

That is totally not true.


The AR-15 was first built in 1959 by ArmaLite as a small arms rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the design to Colt. After some modifications, the redesigned rifle was adopted as the M16 rifle. In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the rifle for civilians designated as the Colt SP1. Although the name AR-15 remains a Colt registered trademark, variants of the firearm are made, modified, and sold under various names by multiple manufacturers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

An assertion without basis is to be disregarded, pedobear.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Under the guidance of former Marine and former Army Ordinance technician, Eugene Stoner, the AR-10 became the main focus of attention. Army officials asked Armalite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956 as a potential replacement for the M1 Garand. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15

https://armalite.com/about-us/history/

From the company itself.

[Clipper Nation]

Leftism in action:

The FBI reportedly cancelled its 2013 investigation into Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen after only 10 months because they viewed the terroristic threats he made as a reaction to "being marginalized because of his Muslim faith," by his coworkers.

According to Fox News' Catherine Herridge, the revelation came during a closed door meeting with FBI Director James Comey Monday afternoon.

"At the end of 10 months the investigation was closed with no further action. They took Mateen's statements he was trying to taunt his coworkers because he thought he was being marginalized because of his Muslim faith."


http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/fbi-called-off-investigation-of-orlando-shooter-because-they-thought-his-coworkers-were-racist/#ixzz4BagHHDUA
(http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/fbi-called-off-investigation-of-orlando-shooter-because-they-thought-his-coworkers-were-racist/#ixzz4BagHHDUA)

[CosmicCowboy]

Wikipedia :lmao

Thar ARMALITE AR-15 was a variation of the Stoner ARMALITE AR-10. Both were SELECT FIRE, meaning they were capable of full auto fire. When Colt bought the Patent in 1959 they changed the name of to the M-16 when they sold it to the Military. until that point they were all full automatic capable.

When Colt introduced the civilian version of the COLT AR-!5 for the public it was not select fire and was SEMI AUTOMATIC ONLY.

The COLT AR-15 is the one everyone talks about that is available to the public, not the Stoner/Armalite select fire one.

[Clipper Nation]

Noor Mateen was with her husband when he recently bought ammunition and a holster, sources familiar to the investigation told ABC News. The couple had recently went to the Disney World area together, though authorities are unclear if it was a family trip or if Mateen was there to case a possible target location, the source said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunmans-wife-talk-attack-officials/story?id=39841580

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wikipedia :lmao

Thar ARMALITE AR-15 was a variation of the Stoner ARMALITE AR-10. Both were SELECT FIRE, meaning they were capable of full auto fire. When Colt bought the Patent in 1959 they changed the name of to the M-16 when they sold it to the Military. until that point they were all full automatic capable.

When Colt introduced the civilian version of the COLT AR-!5 for the public it was not select fire and was SEMI AUTOMATIC ONLY.

The COLT AR-15 is the one everyone talks about that is available to the public, not the Stoner/Armalite select fire one.

Now you are getting into the semantic obfuscation game that the gun industry developed to circumvent gun laws. And dumbass I anticipated your argument already. Read the next post, pedobear.

The AR-15s sold to the public are the ones with modifications to make it extremely difficult to change the part making it automatic. Everything else is the same. It's like saying putting a governor chip in a car changes what model of car it is. You can quote all the echo chamber bullshit you like. The AR-15 was developed for the US armed services plain and simple.

[CosmicCowboy]

Now you are getting into the semantic obfuscation game that the gun industry developed to circumvent gun laws. And dumbass I anticipated your argument already. Read the next post, pedobear.

The AR-15s sold to the public are the ones with modifications to make it extremely difficult to change the part making it automatic. Everything else is the same. It's like saying putting a governor chip in a car changes what model of car it is. You can quote all the echo chamber bullshit you like. The AR-15 was developed for the US armed services plain and simple.

Your car analogy sucks.

It's like saying a Camaro with a 6 cylinder is just as fast as a Z-28.

yeah the M-16 was modified from the Armalite AR-15 and developed for the military after Colt bought the Armalite patent. No argument there. All were select fire, full auto capable firearms.

BTW, they are easy to modify to full auto, it's just not legal anymore.

[boutons_deux]

BTW, they are easy to modify to full auto, it's just not legal anymore.

gun fellators don't let no govt come between them and their penis proxies.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your car analogy sucks.

It's like saying a Camaro with a 6 cylinder is just as fast as a Z-28.

yeah the M-16 was modified from the Armalite AR-15 and developed for the military after Colt bought the Armalite patent. No argument there. All were select fire, full auto capable firearms.

BTW, they are easy to modify to full auto, it's just not legal anymore.

I siad it would change the model, dimwit, not speed. It's called a modification of the same carbine, dumbass.

[CosmicCowboy]

I siad it would change the model, dimwit, not speed. It's called a modification of the same carbine, dumbass.

yeah Colts modification was to take a full auto weapon (the M-16) and introduce a legal semi-auto version (the Colt AR-15) for the civilian market... dumbass. So not the same AR-15 that Armalite built.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The US military were marketed the AR-15, bought it, and then renamed it the M-16, dimwit. They then modified it to skirt various gun laws in the 1980s to sell to the public. But you have fun playing the obfuscating semantics.The M16 is a military adaptation of the AR15, no government has ever issued the AR15 to their military. And the AR15 was actually sold to civilians by Colt in the early 60's...but what do I know.

[CosmicCowboy]

The M16 is a military adaptation of the AR15, no government has ever issued the AR15 to their military. And the AR15 was actually sold to civilians by Colt in the early 60's...but what do I know.

Actually a few select fire full auto ARMALITE AR-15's were sold to some third world countries but the COLT semi automatic AR-15 (as you stated) was never issued to any governments military.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Leftism in action:

The FBI reportedly cancelled its 2013 investigation into Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen after only 10 months because they viewed the terroristic threats he made as a reaction to "being marginalized because of his Muslim faith," by his coworkers.

According to Fox News' Catherine Herridge, the revelation came during a closed door meeting with FBI Director James Comey Monday afternoon.

"At the end of 10 months the investigation was closed with no further action. They took Mateen's statements he was trying to taunt his coworkers because he thought he was being marginalized because of his Muslim faith."


http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/fbi-called-off-investigation-of-orlando-shooter-because-they-thought-his-coworkers-were-racist/#ixzz4BagHHDUA
(http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/fbi-called-off-investigation-of-orlando-shooter-because-they-thought-his-coworkers-were-racist/#ixzz4BagHHDUA)



See Something Say Nothing---Phillip Haney 15 year DHS intelligence expert speaks on exactly this type of stuff

https://www.amazon.com/See-Something-Say-Nothing-Governments/dp/1944229205

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yeah Colts modification was to take a full auto weapon (the M-16) and introduce a legal semi-auto version (the Colt AR-15) for the civilian market... dumbass. So not the same AR-15 that Armalite built.

So you agree it's a modification of the same carbine. You get tied up with names. I get tied up in what something actually is.

[CosmicCowboy]

So you agree it's a modification of the same carbine. You get tied up with names. I get tied up in what something actually is.

Well duh. Of course they look the same. The Colt AR-15 is the civilian semi auto version. pretty big modification :lol

Way to move the goal posts BTW :lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well duh. Of course they look the same. The Colt AR-15 is the civilian semi auto version. pretty big modification :lol

Way to move the goal posts BTW :lmao

Who said anything about how it looks? The ar-15 was designed to be modular in the first place. And the result is significant particularly legally but the actual modification to make it full auto as you yourself say is not.

That is the point I'm actually making while you are waving your hands at naming conventions used to get around gun laws.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Who said anything about how it looks? The ar-15 was designed to be modular in the first place. And the result is significant particularly legally but the actual modification to make it full auto as you yourself say is not.

That is the point I'm actually making while you are waving your hands at naming conventions used to get around gun laws.
Your point was the AR15 was an effective combat weapon, which it's not as no military put it in use. Had you said the M16 was an effective combat weapon we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[CosmicCowboy]

For the record I no longer own any version of the AR-15. Back in the early 80's I built an M-16 out of surplus army parts. The government auctioned all the parts to the public (except the lower receiver) after Vietnam wound down. i bought two aftermarket lower receivers and machined an auto-sear into one and registered it so I could switch back and forth. it was fun as hell when I was buying ammo for 7 cents a round. it only cost me about $350 to build plus the $200 registry.. After '86 you couldn't do that anymore and my $350 gun was suddenly worth $5000. I wish I had built 100. By that time ammo had skyrocketed and it was no longer fun to shoot anyway. At one point green tip was going for $1 a round. It wasn't nearly as fun to rip off a 20 round magazine. A guy offered me a very thick stack of hundred dollar bills and we legally transferred it and made him the happy owner of an M-16.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your point was the AR15 was an effective combat weapon, which it's not as no military put it in use. Had you said the M16 was an effective combat weapon we wouldn't be having this discussion.

An M16 is a type AR-15. That is my point too. You have trouble articulating your own arguments; you should focus more on that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

An M16 is a type AR-15. That is my point too. You have trouble articulating your own arguments; you should focus more on that.
I've articulated very clearly, you're just too stubborn to take your licks and move on. An AR15 is not an effective combat weapon, hence the reason militaries around the world don't put it in to combat. Back on ignore you go. Click.

[Spurminator]

Omar Mateen was an insane repressed homosexual who was drawn to radical Islamic terrorist rhetoric online that told him homosexuality should be punished by death, and he used a weapon capable of killing dozens of people with a few easy movements of his index finger to carry out this punishment in the hopes of getting their attention and validating himself.

You're all correct and you're all wrong at the same time.

Stop fucking cheerleading for your pet cause and be reasonable fucking people. Jesus.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've articulated very clearly, you're just too stubborn to take your licks and move on. An AR15 is not an effective combat weapon, hence the reason militaries around the world don't put it in to combat. Back on ignore you go. Click.

You repeat yourself ad nauseum and do not acknowledge rebuttals. You are another of the Darren ilk.

Militaries around the world want the fully auto version of the AR-15 aka the M16. That does not preclude the M16 from being a different version of the same carbine. You still really suck at deductions.

Further just because there are better weapons would not mean that a semiauto AR-15 wouldn't be effective in combat. Orlando proves it can kill a whole bunch of people in a short period of time and as Patton says the objective of war is to get the other sob to die for his country.

[DarrinS]

You repeat yourself ad nauseum and do not acknowledge rebuttals. You are another of the Darren ilk.


Rent paid. :lol

[pgardn]

He was more angry at me than he was at the shooter, and many people said that. One of the folks on television said, ‘Boy, has Trump gotten under his skin,'” said Trump at a rally in Greensboro, North Carolina



Trump is like a child on ST
"Nah, nah, I got you" says the possible leader of the most influential country on Earth.

Christ...

[pgardn]

Apparently the shooters wife knew he was going to go on a killing spree. Instead of reporting it she "tried to talk him out of it"

My ass

I am sure the families of the victims appreciate her candor.

[Big Dog]

Apparently the shooters wife knew he was going to go on a killing spree. Instead of reporting it she "tried to talk him out of it"

My ass
She hot though. Cucking was probably one thing that led to all that anger

[Big Dog]

Leftism in action:

The FBI reportedly cancelled its 2013 investigation into Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen after only 10 months because they viewed the terroristic threats he made as a reaction to "being marginalized because of his Muslim faith," by his coworkers.

According to Fox News' Catherine Herridge, the revelation came during a closed door meeting with FBI Director James Comey Monday afternoon.

"At the end of 10 months the investigation was closed with no further action. They took Mateen's statements he was trying to taunt his coworkers because he thought he was being marginalized because of his Muslim faith."


http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/fbi-called-off-investigation-of-orlando-shooter-because-they-thought-his-coworkers-were-racist/#ixzz4BagHHDUA
(http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/fbi-called-off-investigation-of-orlando-shooter-because-they-thought-his-coworkers-were-racist/#ixzz4BagHHDUA)


It's all about being PC, fucking pathetic.

[spankadelphia]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pALyd44-knA/V12MXuOjRZI/AAAAAAAAVH4/g2qaPel1Wy0JpF5qTrkBGN4wlBX969jOACLcB/s1600/Orlando%2BShooter.jpg

Apparently the enriching Afghan was a registered Democrat. lol

[Pelicans78]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pALyd44-knA/V12MXuOjRZI/AAAAAAAAVH4/g2qaPel1Wy0JpF5qTrkBGN4wlBX969jOACLcB/s1600/Orlando%2BShooter.jpg

Apparently the enriching Afghan was a registered Democrat. lol

It adds to narrative of historic left-wing violence.

[Th'Pusher]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pALyd44-knA/V12MXuOjRZI/AAAAAAAAVH4/g2qaPel1Wy0JpF5qTrkBGN4wlBX969jOACLcB/s1600/Orlando%2BShooter.jpg

Apparently the enriching Afghan was a registered Democrat. lol

A majority of gays vote democrat.

[boutons_deux]

1,000 mass shootings in 1,260 days: this is what America's gun crisis looks like

Sunday's horror in Orlando, Florida was the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history. But it was only one of six mass shootings – defined as four or more people shot, besides the shooter – in the US just this weekend.

Data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive via the crowd-sourced website ShootingTracker.com (http://www.shootingtracker.com/) reveals a shocking human toll: there is a mass shooting – defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter – on five out of every six days, on average.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence?CMP=fb_gu

gun violence is a fundamental, defining aspect of American "civilization", aka, a sick society in permanent decline, owned and run by authoritarian BigCorp for its own enrichment.

[djohn2oo8]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/06/15/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html#

he visted gay chat rooms apparently

[djohn2oo8]

Their five-month marriage was abusive from the start. He was controlling. He kept her from seeing her family. He beat her, pulled her hair, dug his fingernails into the soft flesh of her wrists when she wandered away from him in the supermarket.

But when she thinks back on the brief marriage seven years ago, there are other recollections that come to mind. “There were things he would do in his daily life that most straight men don’t do,” she said in a phone interview with TIME on Tuesday.

“He would take a long time in front of the mirror, he would often take pictures of himself, and he made little movements with his body that definitely made me question things,” she recalled, “It definitely popped up in my head whether he was totally straight.”

Mateen and Yusufiy met on Myspace and were married from April to August 2009, until her parents sensed she was unhappy and came down to Florida from New Jersey to check on her. When they realized she was in an abusive situation, Yusufiy’s parents took her back to New Jersey with them, and the marriage abruptly ended.

Yusufiy said she never noticed anything in their sex life that would lead her to believe Mateen was gay. But she noted that any kind of sexual exploration would have been totally forbidden by Mateen’s strict Afghan family.

“In his family structure, homosexuality was really not tolerated,” she said. “And one of the directions of his life was to be a perfect son.”

[djohn2oo8]

That pressure to be live up to his father’s strict expectations often led Mateen to lash out with violence, she says. Once, she recalled, she fell asleep on the floor while watching TV and he started beating her as she slept. He yanked the pillow out from under her, pulled her by her hair, and then started to choke her. Hours later, when she asked him what happened, at first he claimed he was angry that she hadn’t finished the laundry. Then he revealed that he’d had a fight with his father.

As the only son of Afghan immigrants, Mateen was subject to high expectations from his parents. “It’s pretty pressured. You have to be perfect in every way, you have to have a high education, you have to be totally respectful,” Yusufiy said. “And not be in any way homosexual, that’s for sure.”

[djohn2oo8]

ORLANDO — A transgender woman described Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen as being curious, searching, and uncomfortable when they met at a popular gay club late last year.


Daniele Tashner, 60, said she immediately recognized Mateen when he was identified as the gunman who killed 49 people and injured dozens more at the Pulse dance club in Orlando early Sunday morning.

“When they showed this guy on the news, my heart cringed and I almost broke out in tears. I saw this person about eight months ago. I actually realized that I spoke to this person for about 15 minutes sitting in a gazebo at the back of Parliament House,” she said in an interview with Yahoo News.

Parliament House is another popular gay club in Orlando that is about a 10-minute drive northwest of Pulse.

[djohn2oo8]

Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen was ‘very creepy’ in messages on gay dating app

TOBIAS SALINGER JUN 14, 2016 1:54 PM
Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen sent “very creepy” messages on one gay dating app and was active on at least two others, a Florida man said Monday.

The man identified by investigators as the gunman who killed 49 people and injured 53 others at Pulse nightclub early Sunday had been known in Orlando’s gay community since as far back as 2007 and was a user on the apps Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam, Cord Cedeno told MSNBC.


“He was, like, very creepy in his messages and I blocked him immediately,” Cedeno said. “I recognized him off Grindr — the one of him in the tie.”

Cedeno has a friend who said Mateen, a 29-year-old man who had been living 120 miles away with a wife and family in Fort Pierce, had been visiting the Orlando area since 2007. Police said they fatally shot Mateen three hours after he started his rampage and the subsequent standoff at Pulse.

“One of my friends has seen him in Pulse before. He’s been in that venue several times, that’s not the first time he’s been there. That’s not his first time going there. I know that for a fact,” Cedeno said. “I know there’s plenty of other guys that he has probably tried to contact and hook up from. A lot of them are scared to come out and tell the FBI.”

[boutons_deux]

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/ratio--3-2--1_5x-1245x830/public/articles/benghazi_attack.jpeg-06f6e.jpg?itok=l0AM3Aw7

GOP lawmaker says Orlando shooting site wasn’t a gay club

House Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas) has an amazing habit of saying some pretty remarkable things. Yesterday, however, the far-right congressman nevertheless managed to surprise.

For those unfamiliar with Sessions’ background (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sessions-stumbles-simple-multiplication), in 2014,

Sessions became strikingly confused about what a “witch hunt (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/there-witch-somewhere)’ is. The year before,

Sessions said he believes it’s “immoral (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/pete-sessions-extended-jobless-aid-immoral)” to extend jobless aid to “long-term unemployments [sic].” Around the same time,

the congressman said the House should stop worrying about governing and focus exclusively on “messaging (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-leader-pushes-messaging-over-governing).”


Last year, the Texas Republican said he holds President Obama “personally accountable (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/leading-house-republican-blames-obama-murders)” for murders committed by undocumented immigrants, pointing to imaginary evidence (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/05/lawmaker-claims-illegal-immigrants-released-by-obama-are-committing-a-murder-a-day/).

Sessions then insisted (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/236821-gop-chairman-bungles-obamacare-math) the Affordable Care Act costs Americans $5 million per person. (He was only off by $4,991,000.)

But despite this record, I didn’t see this one (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/06/14/anti-gay-gop-congressman-pulse-wasn-t-a-gay-club.html) coming.

Asked on Tuesday afternoon whether the massacre of 49 people at an Orlando gay nightclub changes his opposition to a pro-LGBT bill, House Rules Committee chairman Pete Sessions (R-TX) denied the venue had anything to do with the gay community whatsoever.

“It was a young person’s nightclub, I’m told. And there were some [LGBT people] there, but it was mostly Latinos,” told reporters, according to National Journal.

Sessions has stood in firm opposition to the Maloney Amendment, an attachment that would bar federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT individuals.


Let’s set the record straight: the mass shooting took place at a nightclub called Pulse, which describes itself as “the hottest gay bar in Orlando.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-lawmaker-says-orlando-shooting-site-wasnt-gay-club?cid=sm_fb_maddow

TX Repugs and their ignorant fantasies! :lol

[djohn2oo8]

People on the United States' terrorist watch list passed background checks and have been allowed to purchase firearms 91% of the time in 2015, updated federal data shows.

An updated report by the Government Accountability Office, released Tuesday by Sen. Dianne Feinstein's office, shows individuals on the terrorist watch list were involved in background checks to purchase firearms 244 times -- with 223 of those transactions, or 91%, allowed to proceed.

That same 91% approval rate holds from February 2004, when the National Instant Criminal Background Check System began checking prospective gun buyers against the Federal Bureau of Investigation's terrorist watch list. Since then, people on the watch list have had their backgrounds checked for firearms purchases 2,477 times -- with 2,265 of those transactions allowed to proceed and 212 denied.
Feinstein, a California Democrat, had requested the updated data on March 7.
RELATED: By the Numbers: Individuals on terror lists cleared to buy guns
Under current federal law, there is no basis to automatically prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives because the individual appears on the terrorist watch list -- though the FBI is notified when those watch list members go through background checks for gun purchases. However, a felony conviction or illegal immigration status are disqualifying factors.

[boutons_deux]

People on the United States' terrorist watch list passed background checks and have been allowed to purchase firearms 91% of the time in 2015, updated federal data shows.

that's wonderfully ok with the gun fellators, but they whine if someone's "rights are violated" if erroneously put on/left on the watch list.

[CosmicCowboy]

that's wonderfully ok with the gun fellators, but they whine if someone's "rights are violated" if erroneously put on/left on the watch list.

Since you go Greyhound you probably don't comprehend the hassle of being on the watch list.

[djohn2oo8]

Since you go Greyhound you probably don't comprehend the hassle of being on the watch list.

It's not like certain groups in this country don't deal with hassles everyday.

[spurraider21]

She hot though. Cucking was probably one thing that led to all that anger
Cucks enjoy it. It wouldn't make him angry

[TheSanityAnnex]

You repeat yourself ad nauseum and do not acknowledge rebuttals. You are another of the Darren ilk.

Militaries around the world want the fully auto version of the AR-15 aka the M16. That does not preclude the M16 from being a different version of the same carbine. You still really suck at deductions.

Further just because there are better weapons would not mean that a semiauto AR-15 wouldn't be effective in combat. Orlando proves it can kill a whole bunch of people in a short period of time and as Patton says the objective of war is to get the other sob to die for his country.Equating the effectiveness of a shooting unarmed people locked in a club to actual combat :rollin

[Aztecfan03]

The issue is being so easily accessible as any other machine gun. They should not be able to be obtained period, at a gun show or in a store. Machine guns should only be used by military and cops. So you mean to tell me Islam is responsible for hating gays, to which many people in this country discriminate and hate gays already?

Learn what a fucking machine gun is. Then learn what an AR 15 is. Then talk about it, because until then, you are just spouting shit out of your ass.

[Aztecfan03]

What is ironic is repugs generally hate LBGT laws and gays in general. Then they say "let's blame Islam for the same shitty attitude about gays that we share."

Republicans do not hate gays. And even if that were the case, wanting to kill gays is a whole lot worse.

[Aztecfan03]

An Ar 15 can fire 700 rounds a minute. Fuck what it is, that is a devastating effect and should not be on the streets.
700 rounds per minute, huh? can you pull a trigger over 10 times per second? even if you could what about reload time?

[TheSanityAnnex]

People on the United States' terrorist watch list passed background checks and have been allowed to purchase firearms 91% of the time in 2015, updated federal data shows.

An updated report by the Government Accountability Office, released Tuesday by Sen. Dianne Feinstein's office, shows individuals on the terrorist watch list were involved in background checks to purchase firearms 244 times -- with 223 of those transactions, or 91%, allowed to proceed.

That same 91% approval rate holds from February 2004, when the National Instant Criminal Background Check System began checking prospective gun buyers against the Federal Bureau of Investigation's terrorist watch list. Since then, people on the watch list have had their backgrounds checked for firearms purchases 2,477 times -- with 2,265 of those transactions allowed to proceed and 212 denied.
Feinstein, a California Democrat, had requested the updated data on March 7.
RELATED: By the Numbers: Individuals on terror lists cleared to buy guns
Under current federal law, there is no basis to automatically prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives because the individual appears on the terrorist watch list -- though the FBI is notified when those watch list members go through background checks for gun purchases. However, a felony conviction or illegal immigration status are disqualifying factors.

https://theintercept.com/2014/08/05/watch-commander/

Nearly half of the people on the U.S. government’s widely shared database of terrorist suspects are not connected to any known terrorist group, according to classified government documents (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/08/05/directorate-terrorist-identities-dti-strategic-accomplishments-2013/) obtained by The Intercept.
Of the 680,000 people caught up in the government’s Terrorist Screening Database—a watchlist of “known or suspected terrorists” that is shared with local law enforcement agencies, private contractors, and foreign governments—more than 40 percent are described by the government as having “no recognized terrorist group affiliation.” That category—280,000 people—dwarfs the number of watchlisted people suspected of ties to al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah combined.
The documents, obtained from a source in the intelligence community, also reveal that the Obama Administration has presided over an unprecedented expansion of the terrorist screening system. Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000—surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush.
“If everything is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism,” says David Gomez, a former senior FBI special agent. The watchlisting system, he adds, is “revving out of control.”
https://firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2014/08/shrug_chart_final1.jpg
The classified documents were prepared by the National Counterterrorism Center, the lead agency for tracking individuals with suspected links to international terrorism. Stamped “SECRET” and “NOFORN” (indicating they are not to be shared with foreign governments), they offer the most complete numerical picture of the watchlisting system to date. Among the revelations:
• The second-highest concentration of people designated as “known or suspected terrorists” by the government is in Dearborn, Mich.—a city of 96,000 that has the largest percentage of Arab-American residents in the country.
• The government adds names to its databases, or adds information on existing subjects, at a rate of 900 records each day.
• The CIA uses a previously unknown program, code-named Hydra, to secretly access databases maintained by foreign countries and extract data to add to the watchlists.
A U.S. counterterrorism official familiar with watchlisting data told The Intercept that as of November 2013, there were approximately 700,000 people in the Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, but declined to provide the current numbers. Last month, the Associated Press, citing federal court filings by government lawyers, reported that there have been 1.5 million names added to the watchlist (https://news.yahoo.com/us-terrorist-database-growing-rapid-rate-223303875.html) over the past five years. The government official told The Intercept that was a misinterpretation of the data. “The list has grown somewhat since that time, but is nowhere near the 1.5 million figure cited in recent news reports,” he said. He added that the statistics cited by the Associated Press do not just include nominations of individuals, but also bits of intelligence or biographical information obtained on watchlisted persons.
When U.S. officials refer to “the watchlist,” they typically mean the TSDB, an unclassified pool of information shared across the intelligence community and the military, as well as local law enforcement, foreign governments, and private contractors. According to the government’s watchlisting guidelines, published by The Intercept last month (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/07/23/blacklisted/), officials don’t need “concrete facts” or “irrefutable evidence” to secretly place someone on the list—only a vague and elastic standard of “reasonable suspicion.”
“You need some fact-basis to say a guy is a terrorist, that you know to a probable-cause standard that he is a terrorist,” says Gomez, the former FBI agent. “Then I say, ‘Build as big a file as you can on him.’ But if you just suspect that somebody is a terrorist? Not so much.”
The National Counterterrorism Center did not respond to questions about its terrorist screening system. Instead, in a statement, it praised the watchlisting system as a “critical layer in our counterrorism defenses” and described it as superior to the pre-9/11 process for tracking threats, which relied on lists that were “typed or hand-written in card catalogues and ledgers.” The White House declined to comment.

[TheSanityAnnex]

that's wonderfully ok with the gun fellators, but they whine if someone's "rights are violated" if erroneously put on/left on the watch list.

They haven't committed a crime. You're suggesting some Minority Report bullshit.

[Aztecfan03]

Radical Islam was created after WWI when Britain/France broke the Ottoman Empire up deliberately to keep the region in a constant state of war.

Radical Islam began when Islam began. This more non-violent Islam is relatively new.

[Pelicans78]

Radical Islam began when Islam began. This more non-violent Islam is relatively new.

There's many different forms of Islam that have been practiced since the early days. Generalizing Islam into one whole religion is like doing the same with Christianity with its many hundreds of sects.

[CosmicCowboy]

There's many different forms of Islam that have been practiced since the early days. Generalizing Islam into one whole religion is like doing the same with Christianity with its many hundreds of sects.

The Sunni/Shia conflict that generally takes center stage goes all the way back to the death of Muhammed.

[Pelicans78]

The Sunni/Shia conflict that generally takes center stage goes all the way back to the death of Muhammed.

But there's other forms besides those. Sufism was very early as well. Kharijite started in the 7th century.

The Sunni/Shia conflict started out as a political difference to decide who would be next in line after Muhammad died. Over time religious differences and different sects within both Sunnis and Shias formed as new rules/laws were introduced by religious scholars on each side.

[TheSanityAnnex]

that's wonderfully ok with the gun fellators, but they whine if someone's "rights are violated" if erroneously put on/left on the watch list.

http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nra-gun-control_us_575f08ece4b071ec19eebbdf?amp;yptr=yahoo

The NRA Has Actually Got Something Right On Gun Control

When the Supreme Court (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/supreme-court/) declared for the first time in history that Americans have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, the late Justice Antonin Scalia made clear that the entitlement “is not unlimited.”
Among its limits, he spoke of “longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill,” of “laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings,” and of “laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
In the wake of a mass shooting at an Orlando gay nightclub (http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/terror-shooting-at-gay-club_us_575d5938e4b0e39a28add1b4) on Sunday — the deadliest in American history — Democrats seem to be taking Scalia’s words and running with them, as they step up their push for a sweeping ban on firearms purchases on anyone belonging to a so-called “terror watch list.”
Press reports confirmed on Tuesday that the gunman, Omar Mateen, was not on an FBI watch list (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-omar-mateen-was-taken-off-a-terrorist-1465772737-htmlstory.html) at the time he purchased his weapons, even though he had been on it at the time the agency investigated him (http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-director-orlando-shooter-omar-mateen_us_575f0c5fe4b0e4fe5143494f?brjz0c9pwrvgnl8 fr=) for potential terrorism ties in 2013 and 2014.
Would keeping Mateen on a government list indefinitely, and then using that information to prevent a gun sale to him, have averted the Orlando massacre?
Democrats far and wide seem to think so — from President Barack Obama (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-orlando-shooting-nra_us_575e4801e4b0ced23ca879bb?by9ojgdxmiu9885mi) to Hillary Clinton (http://www.npr.org/2016/06/13/481853366/in-wake-of-orlando-shooting-clinton-suggests-broader-terror-watch-lists) to Democrats in Congress (http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gun-amendments-senate-floor_us_575ed3dae4b00f97fba8f4b0?vsu5tnyeh1pmohia 4i=) — and one by one are seizing the moment to legislate away the right to gun ownership by tying it to whoever is on these ever elusive lists.
By their own admission, the proposal hasn’t been easy to implement. Speaking at a PBS Newshour town hall (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/obama-to-gun-owners-im-not-looking-to-disarm-you/) in Indiana this month, the president lamented that the powerful gun lobby stood in the way of the well-meaning idea of placing Islamic State sympathizers on an anti-gun registry of sorts.
“And we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun,” he said.
Not to be outdone, the NRA immediately blew Obama’s comments out of proportion, with a headline on its lobbying arm’s website that’s as misleading as it is incredibly apt for what might happen if the president’s measure is carried to its logical extreme: “Barack Obama Unilaterally Wants To Strip Your Gun Rights (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160610/barack-obama-wants-to-unilaterally-strip-your-gun-rights).”
But to understand its argument, one must look beyond the Second Amendment the group loves so dear to another part of the Constitution: the one that guarantees due process of law (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment) for anyone whose rights the government intends to target.
On this front, the NRA has forcefully and successfully argued government watch lists are constitutionally problematic because they’re bloated and sweep far too broadly, ensnaring innocent Americans (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html) that otherwise pose no threat to national security — including one prominent U.S. senator, media pundits (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/23/stephen-hayes-terrorist-watch-list_n_5870474.html), executive (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/terrorist-watch-list-database_n_1936515.html)s (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/terrorist-watch-list-database_n_1936515.html), even babies (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/terrorist-watch-list-database_n_1936515.html) and the late Nelson Mandela (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-terrorist_n_4394392.html).
When anti-gun furor following the Paris terrorist attacks reached fever pitch last year, the NRA pointed to our own coverage here in The Huffington Post (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151120/nra-statement-on-terror-watch-list-distortions) to underscore the myriad problems with terror watch lists, and sought to dispel the public misperception that the organization was somehow interested in arming homegrown jihadists.
“The NRA does not want terrorists or dangerous people to have firearms, any suggestion otherwise is offensive and wrong,” a statement from NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker read at the time.

She continued: “The NRA’s only objective is to ensure that Americans who are wrongly on the list are afforded their constitutional right to due process. It is appalling that anti-gun politicians are exploiting the Paris terrorist attacks to push their gun-control agenda and distract from President Obama’s failed foreign policy.”
Notice the Second Amendment is nowhere in that statement, but due process is. It was the latter constitutional right, which provides citizens a judicial forum to challenge unwarranted government overreach, that brought to the NRA’s side an unlikely bedfellow: the American Civil Liberties Union.

The ACLU, which is involved in litigation challenging the constitutionality of no-fly lists — one of many watch lists (https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/watchlist_briefing_paper_v3.pdf) the government keeps — went as far as to get behind Republicans in Congress who defeated a Democratic-backed gun control measure that relied on the furor following December’s San Bernardino attacks to get traction.
“We disagree with Speaker Ryan about many things. But he’s right that people in this country have due process rights,” wrote Hina Shamsi, the director of the ACLU’s National Security Project. “We want to see them respected (https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/until-no-fly-list-fixed-it-shouldnt-be-used-restrict-peoples-freedoms).”
Shamsi, one of the leaders in the ACLU’s years-long constitutional challenge (https://www.aclu.org/cases/latif-et-al-v-holder-et-al-aclu-challenge-government-no-fly-list) to government watch lists, told The Huffington Post that her organization’s issue isn’t with sensible gun legislation, only with misguided attempts to cast a wide net that might implicate innocent Americans.
“There’s no constitutional bar for the reasonable regulation of guns,” she explained, echoing Scalia’s guidance. “And government watch lists could theoretically serves as a means to do that, but only with major overhaul of the watch-listing system because it uses vague and overbroad standards, the result of which innocent people are blacklisted without a fair process to correct government error.”
The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, filed a class action lawsuit of its own (http://www.cairmichigan.org/blog/cairmi_files_class_action_lawsuit_challenging_terr or_watch_lists.html) earlier this year on behalf of thousands of American Muslims who may find themselves on a government watch list for no other reason than their religion or protected First Amendment conduct.
And like the ACLU and the NRA, the group says it simply wants to provide a check on the amorphous “predictive judgments” the government is making when deciding who should belong on a government watch list and who shouldn’t.
“These are Americans. And no American has a greater right than any other American,” said Shereef Akeel, one of the lawyers spearheading the CAIR lawsuit, which seeks damages for everyone whom the government branded as a “known or suspected terrorist” without due process.
Akeel added that if the people on the watch lists are truly terrorists, then “get them off the streets,” but let everyone else challenge their designation, just as the Constitution intended.
With congressional Democrats ready to put up a new fight (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-guns_us_5760386de4b053d433066a33?ml877oe5yn0y0hpvi ) over gun control in the wake of the Orlando massacre, time will only tell if they’ll heed the advice coming not just from the NRA, but from some of its biggest liberal allies.

[boutons_deux]

"The NRA does not want terrorists or dangerous people to have firearms"

then why did they pay Congress to let no-fliers/watch-listers have guns? let felons have guns? let EVERYBODY have guns, lotsa and lotsa guns?

why no extensive b/g checks? private sales/gun show loopholes? why no Federal gun and gun violence databases.

NRA is lying

"Don't listen to what they say, but what they pay"

[TheSanityAnnex]

"The NRA does not want terrorists or dangerous people to have firearms"

then why did they pay Congress to let no-fliers/watch-listers have guns? let felons have guns? let EVERYBODY have guns, lotsa and lotsa guns?

why no extensive b/g checks? private sales/gun show loopholes? why no Federal gun and gun violence databases.

NRA is lying

"Don't listen to what they say, but what they pay"
Are you against due process?

[tlongII]

Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen was ‘very creepy’ in messages on gay dating app

TOBIAS SALINGER JUN 14, 2016 1:54 PM
Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen sent “very creepy” messages on one gay dating app and was active on at least two others, a Florida man said Monday.

The man identified by investigators as the gunman who killed 49 people and injured 53 others at Pulse nightclub early Sunday had been known in Orlando’s gay community since as far back as 2007 and was a user on the apps Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam, Cord Cedeno told MSNBC.


“He was, like, very creepy in his messages and I blocked him immediately,” Cedeno said. “I recognized him off Grindr — the one of him in the tie.”

Cedeno has a friend who said Mateen, a 29-year-old man who had been living 120 miles away with a wife and family in Fort Pierce, had been visiting the Orlando area since 2007. Police said they fatally shot Mateen three hours after he started his rampage and the subsequent standoff at Pulse.

“One of my friends has seen him in Pulse before. He’s been in that venue several times, that’s not the first time he’s been there. That’s not his first time going there. I know that for a fact,” Cedeno said. “I know there’s plenty of other guys that he has probably tried to contact and hook up from. A lot of them are scared to come out and tell the FBI.”

What is your point regarding these posts about Omar Mateen? Do you think the fact he was a creep means he wasn't a radical Islamist?

[djohn2oo8]

What is your point regarding these posts about Omar Mateen? Do you think the fact he was a creep means he wasn't a radical Islamist?

how can you be a gay radical islamist and not understand islam at the same time?

[Aztecfan03]

He was the overwhelming choice of the base of the Republican Party. What I enjoy watching at this point are the non-trumpets backing into a pro trump position because he has an R next to his name.

Never gonna happen for me.

[tlongII]

how can you be a gay radical islamist and not understand islam at the same time?

If Islam is non-violent, how can you be a radical islamist in the first place? I don't think one thing necessarily has anything to do with the other.

[djohn2oo8]

If Islam is non-violent, how can you be a radical islamist in the first place? I don't think one thing necessarily has anything to do with the other.

Yes.it does. Being gay is not something looked highly upon within Islam. Neither is getting drunk.

[tlongII]

Yes.it does. Being gay is not something looked highly upon within Islam. Neither is getting drunk.

It is believed that being gay is genetic. It is also believed that susceptibility to alcohol is genetic. Why would the genetics of radical islamists behave any differently?

[boutons_deux]

If Islam is non-violent, how can you be a radical islamist in the first place? I don't think one thing necessarily has anything to do with the other.

Just like Christianity and the Bible, criminals and power-hungry assholes use Islam as front for their crimes, their hate, their revenue, their power-trip to impose their religion on others. As 100s of Muslims scholars have proclaimed, ISIS, AQ, etc are true Islamists, but perverts of Islam.

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Islamic Terrorism Is Right-Wing Terrorism

We’ve never come under attack by liberal Muslims, but conservative Christians have drawn plenty of blood.

http://www.thenation.com/article/islamic-terrorism-is-right-wing-terrorism/

[djohn2oo8]

It is believed that being gay is genetic. It is also believed that susceptibility to alcohol is genetic. Why would the genetics of radical islamists behave any differently?

Because homosexuality is punishable by death in 9 Muslim dominated states. How radical can you be if you don't practice what your religion believes?

[tlongII]

Because homosexuality is punishable by death in 9 Muslim dominated states. How radical can you be if you don't practice what your religion believes?

I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I don't think it matters what the punishment is, some people are going to be homosexuals and some people are going to be alcoholics.

[Pelicans78]

I think he was looking to purify quickly for all his "sins" (alcohol, gay sex) so he decided to commit this terrorist act to get heavenly reward.

[Clipper Nation]

A source familiar with the investigation tells CBS News gunman Omar Mateen referenced the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) in a Facebook message posted moments before the Orlando nightclub shooting.

"You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state vengeance [sic]," Mateen wrote, according to the source.

"In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic State [ISIS] in the usa," the post said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-posted-to-facebook-right-before-attack/

:cry "But, but, he was gay and drank alcohol! That means it wasn't Islamic terror! What are taqiyya and muruna, anyway?" :cry

The things leftists will reach for to avoid accepting the obvious truth never cease to amaze, tbh.

[CosmicCowboy]

Just a conflicted radical Muslim faggot doing what conflicted radical Muslim faggots do.

Move along.

[spurraider21]

He was the overwhelming choice of the base of the Republican Party. What I enjoy watching at this point are the non-trumpets backing into a pro trump position because he has an R next to his name.
Same with Shillary tbh

[boutons_deux]

NRA Urges People To Buy Assault Weapons Days After Terrorist Uses Assault Weapon In Massacre Of 49
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/15/nra-urges-people-buy-assault-weapons-days-after-terrorist-uses-assault-weapon-massacre-49/210981?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+Blog%29

2nd Amendment! :lol

Water the Tree of LEE BUR TEE! :lol

home defense! :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

NRA Urges People To Buy Assault Weapons Days After Terrorist Uses Assault Weapon In Massacre Of 49


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/15/nra-urges-people-buy-assault-weapons-days-after-terrorist-uses-assault-weapon-massacre-49/210981?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+Blog%29

2nd Amendment! :lol

Water the Tree of LEE BUR TEE! :lol

home defense! :lol



The navy seal has a good point, even limp wristed arthritic stricken keyboard warriors such as yourself could handle the soft recoil of an AR15.

[boutons_deux]

ALL CONGRESSIONAL NRA RECIPIENTS
​
*updated June 13, 2016*

http://www.nracongress.com/all-nra-recipients.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

ALL CONGRESSIONAL NRA RECIPIENTS
​
*updated June 13, 2016*

http://www.nracongress.com/all-nra-recipients.html

:rollin a whopping $8,450 :rollin

​EXAMPLE: To date, Senator John Hoeven of North Dakota has hauled in the largest amount of NRA cash for Cycle/Election 2016 -- a whopping $8,450 as seen in the red text below his price tag.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol couch change

[DMX7]

In North Dakota politics that probably is a whopping amount.

[CosmicCowboy]

lol couch change

no shit.

They are all whores but they don't sell THAT cheap.

They support gun rights because the majority of their constituents support gun rights.

[boutons_deux]

:rollin a whopping $8,450 :rollin

​EXAMPLE: To date, Senator John Hoeven of North Dakota has hauled in the largest amount of NRA cash for Cycle/Election 2016 -- a whopping $8,450 as seen in the red text below his price tag.



I guarantee you Johnny boy knows exactly who and why that $8450 came in, and will vote, it's fucking ND, accordingly. Go look up ALL his campaign contributions to see where that 8450 ranks.

[Sportcamper]

Cosmic what was the weapon? News called it a .45 cal M-4 not an AR...High tech 1/2 hand gun 1/2 carbine that had a 40 round clip? Kind of a scary looking gun...

[CosmicCowboy]

Cosmic what was the weapon? News called it a .45 cal M-4 not an AR...High tech 1/2 hand gun 1/2 carbine that had a 40 round clip? Kind of a scary looking gun...

I wasn't going to mention it to the idiots yapping about the AR-15 but it was a Sig Sauer MCX. It's a pretty cool piece of modular hardware. Without going in to huge detail the gas cycle design is more like an AK-47 than an AR-15.