Mass shooting in Orlando

[Th'Pusher]

20 dead 40+ wounded.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/index.html

[Blizzardwizard]

Fox and Trump are so concerned about those 'damned ISIS terrorists', but perhaps they should be more concerned about dealing with home-grown terrorists before they over-zealously guns-a-blaze go storming into another misguided war in the middle east.

[Will Hunting]

Fox and Trump are so concerned about those 'damned ISIS terrorists', but perhaps they should be more concerned about dealing with home-grown terrorists before they over-zealously guns-a-blaze go storming into another misguided war in the middle east.

Not saying another war in the middle east fixes this (it doesn't), but FBI is already suspecting that this suspect has ISIS ties...

[baseline bum]

nm

[Th'Pusher]

Was a gay nightclub. Seems there was also a hostage situation for a period.

[baseline bum]

Not saying another war in the middle east fixes this (it doesn't), but FBI is already suspecting that this suspect has ISIS ties...

The Democrats' PC crap with regard to Islamic terrorism will deliver the white house to Trump if something like this happens again in October.

[baseline bum]

From USA Today



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting-what-we-know/85786006/

When asked whether the shooter had ties to a Jihadist terror group, an FBI official said during a news conference that "we do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings toward that, that particular ideology. But right now we can't say definitively so we're still running everything around."

[DMX7]

ISIS or Evangelical Extremists? Christian America must be proud to be one of the plausible suspects.

[DMX7]

christina grimmie was shot and killed in Orlando the day before

[boutons_deux]

"ties to a Jihadist terror group"

Even if it's not true, Trash will "suggest" it is ( "I don't know" ), inflaming Trash supporters' with fear and hate of all Muslims. Trash is just another 1%er conventionally distracting from the FACT that the greatest threat to Americans' well-being is anything but the real threats.

[Pelicans78]

Apparently name is Omar Mateen. U.S. citizen, whose parents came from Afghanistan. He's from Florida.

[baseline bum]

ISIS or Evangelical Extremists? Christian America must be proud to be one of the plausible suspects.

boutons?

[boutons_deux]

boutons?

What?

[Blake]

The Democrats' PC crap with regard to Islamic terrorism will deliver the white house to Trump if something like this happens again in October.

The dems should keep the focus on gun control here

[boutons_deux]

The Democrats' PC crap with regard to Islamic terrorism will deliver the white house to Trump if something like this happens again in October.

what PC crap is that, specifically? Dems are pro-terrorism?

Dem Obama is slaughtering 10 Muslim innocents for every terrorist killed with drones or bombing. Neocon Hillary will obviously make that much worse.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Mudslime CONFIRMED

http://i.imgur.com/tLsB8zV.jpg

[Spurminator]

Let the internet scoreboarding begin. Mateen is a Muslim and (according to some sources) a registered Democrat. The glee in social media from right wing scorekeepers is palpable and sickening.

[baseline bum]

Let the internet scoreboarding begin. Mateen is a Muslim and (according to some sources) a registered Democrat. The glee in social media from right wing scorekeepers is palpable and sickening.

It happens, look at post #2 of this thread for left wing scorekeeping when the word was domenstic terrorism.

[Spurminator]

Totally agree. It's bullshit.

[boutons_deux]

"Mateen is a Muslim"

Thanks, Repugs. We all hope your Iraq-War-for-BigOil netted $10Bs for your paymasters. It certainly brought Muslim terrorism to US soil.

[baseline bum]

"Mateen is a Muslim"

Thanks, Repugs. We all hope your Iraq-War-for-BigOil netted $10Bs for paymasters. It certainly brought Muslim terrorism to US soil.




This shit started with the first Gulf War, which was justified to liberate Kuwait.

[Boogie Munster]

New reports show 50 dead and 53 injured

[Blizzardwizard]

It happens, look at post #2 of this thread for left wing scorekeeping when the word was domenstic terrorism.

Ok then, if it's only 'scorekeeping', I expect NOT to see Fox News or Trump try to angle this in anyway towards Islam, and instead expect them to talk about gun laws instead.

[cd021]

New reports show 50 dead and 53 injured

Just heard, fucking insane.

And not a damn thing is gonna change

[djohn2oo8]

742006340499935232

Poor choice Marco

[boutons_deux]

This shit started with the first Gulf War, which was justified to liberate Kuwait.

Apparently, the US representative "hinted" that US wouldn't do anything if Saddam took Kuwait. If that were true, it was a neocon setup of Saddam to lure him into getting attacked by USA.

Apart from the WTC basement bombing in 2001, what other Muslim terrorist attacks were there on US soil?

Actually, the US/UK BigOil shit started when CIA/UK overthrew Mossadegh in 1953 (yep, for oil), installed the brutal dictator Shah for 25 years, which lead directly to Iranian revolution and Tehran US embassy takeover. Pushback against US imperialism is a bitch, ain't it?

And OBL said he attacked WTC because US military stayed to occup Saudi sands after the 1st Gulf War.

[Pelicans78]

742006340499935232

Poor choice Marco

he really didn't say anything like that. I listened to the interview.

[Pelicans78]

Ok then, if it's only 'scorekeeping', I expect NOT to see Fox News or Trump try to angle this in anyway towards Islam, and instead expect them to talk about gun laws instead.

Why just gun laws when this is a terroristic attack.

[Trill Clinton]

i'd like to wait for all the facts before blaming this on religion and getting into gun debates. apparently this guy was a us citizen, had a license to carry and supported the NYPD. i read he got into a shootout with law enforcement then retreated to the club where he went on the killing spree. 50 lives lost due to a senseless act of crime smh.

742006501095669760

its been a rough weekend in orlando:depressed

[Pelicans78]

Apparently, the US representative "hinted" that US wouldn't do anything if Saddam took Kuwait. If that were true, it was a neocon setup of Saddam to lure him into getting attacked by USA.

Apart from the WTC basement bombing in 2001, what other Muslim terrorist attacks were there on US soil?

Actually, the US/UK BigOil shit started when CIA/UK overthrew Mossadegh in 1953 (yep, for oil), installed the brutal dictator Shah for 25 years, which lead directly to Iranian revolution and Tehran US embassy takeover. Pushback against US imperialism is a bitch, ain't it?

And OBL said he attacked WTC because US military stayed to occup Saudi sands after the 1st Gulf War.

Boots, the Saudis wanted/needed US intervention. Saddam was going for them next and OBL volunteered to bring his fighters to protect the Saudis, but the kingdom refused his help because they knew those fighters were no match for keeping Saddam out. OBL got offended and he blamed the US.

[djohn2oo8]

i'd like to wait for all the facts before blaming this on religion and getting into gun debates. apparently this guy was a us citizen, had a license to carry and supported the NYPD. i read he got into a shootout with law enforcement then retreated to the club where he went on the killing spree. 50 lives lost due to a senseless act of crime smh.

742006501095669760

its been a rough weekend in orlando:depressed
But, what if he was gay, and got disgusted at the thought because of his religion?

[hitmanyr2k]

Just heard, fucking insane.

And not a damn thing is gonna change

You're right about that. Until the next episode, this is the new normal in America.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://i.imgur.com/2bezdIj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CwjdCtE.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

But, what if he was gay, and got disgusted at the thought because of his religion?
then he should have renounced his faith or killed himself.

[jeebus]

http://i.imgur.com/2bezdIj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CwjdCtE.jpg

:lol

[Pelicans78]

He wasn't gay. He was a murdering homophobe.

[boutons_deux]

OBL got offended and he blamed the US.

OBL said, or wrote, or videoed that he attacked WTC because US boots were defiling sacred Saudi sands.

[RD2191]

"Connections to ISIS" crofl. USA is so fucking lame.

[Pelicans78]

OBL said, or wrote, or videoed that he attacked WTC because US boots were defiling sacred Saudi sands.

The Saudis wanted the US there and there was nothing sacred about Saudi or Riyadh. The only sacred land for Muslims is Mecca. OBL just that used reason as an excuse because he was offended that the kingdom found his fighters impotent against Saddam's army.

[TDMVPDPOY]

that clown got his hands on guns

so how is the nra going to spin this? that the gay or patrons inside of that club shouldve armed themselves at a nightclub? lol

i doubt a public premises would allowed patrons carry guns into a joint...

[IceColdBrewski]

Unbelievable.

Oh wait. Muslim you say?

Never mind. Totally believable.

Next comes the part where the left tries desperately to distance this from Islam and blame it all on gun owners.

[z0sa]

Hey look, a radical Muslim.

[Pelicans78]

that clown got his hands on guns

so how is the nra going to spin this? that the gay or patrons inside of that club shouldve armed themselves at a nightclub? lol

i doubt a public premises would allowed patrons carry guns into a joint...

Then they will have to provide armed security if they want to avoid being a soft target.

[Spurminator]

Unbelievable.

Oh wait. Muslim you say?

Never mind. Totally believable.

Next comes the part where the left tries desperately to distance this from Islam and blame it all on gun owners.

What should we do about Muslims?

[RD2191]

I'm surprised it wasn't a white male protestant per usual.

[RD2191]

I'm going with mentally ill like all white mass shooters.

[cd021]

You're right about that. Until the next episode, this is the new normal in America.

After Sandy Hook, I came to that realization. What was it? 27 kids killed in their school and nothing was really done in the aftermath. I live in VA where fairly close to VA. Tech, nothing has really changed. You'll see remembrances on the anniversary but not much else.

[cd021]

I'm going with mentally ill like all white mass shooters.

Doesn't looks like it applies; but without fail, white shooters get labeled mentally ill, quiet, or misunderstood. Dylan Roof is a terrorist plain and simple.

[SupremeGuy]

You ignorant Trump supporters just don't see how beautiful this is...

[hitmanyr2k]

Unbelievable.

Oh wait. Muslim you say?

Never mind. Totally believable.

Next comes the part where the left tries desperately to distance this from Islam and blame it all on gun owners.

Did you have the same sentiment for American white males during the Sandy Hook shooting, the Colorado theater shooting, the Louisiana theater shooting, the Planned Parenthood shooting, or the South Carolina church shooting?

[CosmicCowboy]

Guarantee they are gonna call this a gay phobic hate crime and not home grown Muslim terrorism.

[Blake]

What should we do about Muslims?

Funny how this never gets answered

[RD2191]

Did you have the same sentiment for American white males during the Sandy Hook shooting, the Colorado theater shooting, the Louisiana theater shooting, the Planned Parenthood shooting, or the South Carolina church shooting?

Tbh

[CosmicCowboy]

Did you have the same sentiment for American white males during the Sandy Hook shooting, the Colorado theater shooting, the Louisiana theater shooting, the Planned Parenthood shooting, or the South Carolina church shooting?

Seems you have no problem blaming those on white males.

[Pelicans78]

Guarantee they are gonna call this a gay phobic hate crime and not home grown Muslim terrorism.

Have you been watching the news? They're already acknowledging he's an ISIS supporter.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/2bezdIj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CwjdCtE.jpg

Seems to go back a lot further than that since the FBI investigated him in 2013 and 2014 for terroristic comments.

[hitmanyr2k]

Seems you have no problem blaming those on white males.

You seem to have trouble with me illustrating that it's more than Muslim radicals that are committing these acts.

[boutons_deux]

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick tweeted this (https://twitter.com/DanPatrick/status/741963306294902785) a few hours after the massacre:

"Do not be deceived. God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

This verse from the Bible -- Galatians 6:7 -- may have its appropriate context.

http://www.cnet.com/news/texas-politicians-tweet-after-orlando-massacre-appalls-twitter/#ftag=CAD590a51e

TX assholes, and the people who elect them, never cease to be repulsive.

[CosmicCowboy]

You seem to have trouble with me illustrating that it's more than Muslim radicals that are committing these acts.

No, REALLY?

In breaking news, water is wet!

[Pelicans78]

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick tweeted this (https://twitter.com/DanPatrick/status/741963306294902785) a few hours after the massacre:

"Do not be deceived. God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

This verse from the Bible -- Galatians 6:7 -- may have its appropriate context.

http://www.cnet.com/news/texas-politicians-tweet-after-orlando-massacre-appalls-twitter/#ftag=CAD590a51e

TX assholes, and the people who elect them, never cease to be repulsive.





He should resign on the spot if this tweet is true.

[boutons_deux]

so how is the nra going to spin this?

their usual tactic is too stay quiet for a few days, then come out "if everybody in that club had been armed, etc"

[da_suns_fan]

WHat difference did it make why he did it?

THe point is he could do it. He could buy an AR-15 and kill that many people because he WANTED to.

We, as a society, have already decided that we dont care when people get killed like this. It doesnt matter if its homos in a club or a children at a pre-school. We like our "gun rights" more than a bunch of people we dont know getting killed.

[Ghazi]

well, USA created ISIS and Al Quada...USA did not create Islam nor does it know anything about Islam.

[hitmanyr2k]

No, REALLY?

In breaking news, water is wet!

So then what was your point of responding to my initial post to IceColdBrewski in the first place?

[tlongII]

WHat difference did it make why he did it?

THe point is he could do it. He could buy an AR-15 and kill that many people because he WANTED to.

We, as a society, have already decided that we dont care when people get killed like this. It doesnt matter if its homos in a club or a children at a pre-school. We like our "gun rights" more than a bunch of people we dont know getting killed.

What are the gun laws in Paris like?

[z0sa]

What should we do about Muslims?

You mean, what should we do about our more radical muslims citizens/refugees? The answer begins by better defining a consensus on what we Americans, here in the US, believe is radical and unacceptable behavior despite being someone's religious perogative - and whether the more politically correct and or progressive among us are willing to even entertain the possibility of having that discussion.

In essence, Im saying let's stop just hitting this from one side. It isnt just radical Islam to blame. It isnt just our gun laws to blame, either. An honest discourse needs to be had here about how a mixture of both are responsible.

[CosmicCowboy]

Have you been watching the news? They're already acknowledging he's an ISIS supporter.

They who? Are you saying Obama will acknowledge Muslim/ISIS inspired terrorism in his 12:30 speech?

suggested drinking game.

Take a shot every time Obama says guns.

Skip ten "gun" shots every time he says Muslim Terrorism

Bet you are fucked up in 15 minutes.

[Pelicans78]

They who? Are you saying Obama will acknowledge it in his 12:30 speech?

I'm talking about the news itself. It's widely reported he's an ISIS supporter and this was a terrorist attack.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Totally agree. It's bullshit.

+1

its disgusting seeing BOTH sides ALREADY trying to spin this for political gain.

I can't even wrap my head around the amount of people killed. 50 people is an insane amount of people to be killed by one person.

[djohn2oo8]

Ex-wife of suspected Orlando shooter: ‘He beat me’
Quote:
The ex-wife of the 29-year-old man suspected of killing 50 people in a Orlando nightclub early Sunday said that he was violent and mentally unstable and beat her repeatedly while they were married.

The ex-wife said she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him.

At first, the marriage was normal, she said, but then he became abusive.

“He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”

Mateen’s ex-wife said she was having a difficult time when she first met him and decided to move to Florida to be with him. The two married in March 2009 and moved into a 2-bedroom condominium in Fort Pierce, Fla., that Mateen’s family owned.
Quote:
“He seemed like a normal human being,” she said, adding that he wasn’t very religious and worked out at the gym often. She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam. She said he owned a small-caliber handgun and worked as a guard at a nearby facility for juvenile delinquents.

“He was a very private person,” she said.

The ex-wife said her parents intervened when they learned Mateen had assaulted her. Her father confirmed the account and said that the marriage lasted only a few months.

[Pelicans78]

They who? Are you saying Obama will acknowledge it in his 12:30 speech?

And Obama would be asinine to deny it wasn't a terrorist attack by an ISIS supporter since it's already been reported as such.

[TheSanityAnnex]

their usual tactic is too stay quiet for a few days, then come out "if everybody in that club had been armed, etc"
The NRA at least has enough respect for the victims and their families to wait a few days before trying to make a political statement.

[boutons_deux]

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/06/mass_shooting1.png&w=1484

[Blake]

well, USA created ISIS and Al Quada...USA did not create Islam nor does it know anything about Islam.

Most Christians really don't know much about Christianity either

[Blake]

The NRA at least has enough respect for the victims and their families to wait a few days before trying to make a political statement.

Why does the NRA even need to make a political statement

[resistanze]

So then what was your point of responding to my initial post to IceColdBrewski in the first place?

:lol The word 'white male' is a trigger around here for blind defense

[Ghazi]

This wasnt a terrorist attack. Terror is motivated by politics... this is clearly just a mentally unstable individual who had animosity toward gays

[Clipper Nation]

Let the internet scoreboarding begin. Mateen is a Muslim and (according to some sources) a registered Democrat. The glee in social media from right wing scorekeepers is palpable and sickening.
Says the libcuck who can't even hide his disappointment that it wasn't a white male Christian conservative NRA member.

Don't worry, I'm sure Obama will find a way to blame the gun instead of the shooter and avoid saying the word "Islam." And I'm sure you'll be just as outraged over partisan scorekeeping then, right?

[djohn2oo8]

Says the libcuck who can't hide his disappointment that it wasn't a white male Christian conservative NRA member.

Don't worry, I'm sure Obama will find a way to blame the gun instead of the shooter and avoid saying the word "Islam." I'm sure you'll be just as outraged over partisan scorekeeping then, right?

should AR 15s be on the street?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why does the NRA even need to make a political statement
They are already being blamed for the shooting by people like yourself.

[Clipper Nation]

should AR 15s be on the street?
Should radical Islamists be on the street?

[boutons_deux]

Should radical Islamists be on the street?

Should gun owners who leave their guns lying around causing kids to kill others, themselves be on the street, or in prison?

[djohn2oo8]

Should radical Islamists be on the street?

This is exactly what Im talking about. Morons acting as if homophobia and hate speech didn't exist in the states before this. I don't see anyone blaming ISIS for motherfucks like Dylan Roof.

[djohn2oo8]

Its obvious this asshole hated gays. But no, blaming ISIS, you dumbasses give them more power.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is exactly what Im talking about. Morons acting as if homophobia and hate speech didn't exist in the states before this. I don't see anyone blaming ISIS for motherfucks like Dylan Roof.
While morons like you act like mass murders didn't exist before the AR15.

[Ghazi]

:lol at people still thinking radical Islam is a real thing... USA created Al Quada and ISIS so any radical Islamic blowback is a result of the Americans failed policy in Syria.

[spurraider21]

Ok then, if it's only 'scorekeeping', I expect NOT to see Fox News or Trump try to angle this in anyway towards Islam, and instead expect them to talk about gun laws instead.
LOL goal posts.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Has anyone heard if this guys gun was full auto? 50 people killed/53 injured is just mind blowing.

[Clipper Nation]

This is exactly what Im talking about. Morons acting as if homophobia and hate speech didn't exist in the states before this. I don't see anyone blaming ISIS for motherfucks like Dylan Roof.
No, but Democrats certainly rushed to blame all white males, conservatives and law-abiding gun owners for Roof. Why should we give a free pass to a political ideology that has latched on to one of the world's biggest religions, radicalized people like Mateen, and fed them a constant stream of propaganda that promotes acts of terror and violence against anyone who isn't part of their group?

The AR-15 didn't sprout a pair of legs, walk into the club and start massacring people on its own. The issue is the man who pulled the trigger, and more importantly, the ideology that causes people like Mateen, the San Bernardino attackers and the 9/11 hijackers commit their senseless acts of terror. We could rubberstamp the harshest gun laws imaginable and they would still be impotent in the face of terrorists who don't see our laws or institutions as legitimate. Just ask Paris.

[RD2191]

:lol @ thinking this has to do with islam. This fucker obviously had mental problems. There are about 3 million muslims in the usa, if they really wanted to kill gays then most of the gays in the us would be dead.

[djohn2oo8]

No, but Democrats certainly rushed to blame all white males, conservatives and law-abiding gun owners for Roof. Why should we give a free pass to a political ideology that has latched on to one of the world's biggest religions, radicalized people like Mateen, and fed them a constant stream of propaganda that promotes acts of terror and violence against anyone who isn't part of their group?

The AR-15 didn't sprout a pair of legs, walk into the club and start massacring people on its own. The issue is the man who pulled the trigger, and more importantly, the ideology that causes people like Mateen, the San Bernardino attackers and the 9/11 hijackers commit their senseless acts of terror. We could rubberstamp the harshest gun laws imaginable and they would still be impotent in the face of terrorists who don't see our laws or institutions as legitimate. Just ask Paris.

The issue is being so easily accessible as any other machine gun. They should not be able to be obtained period, at a gun show or in a store. Machine guns should only be used by military and cops. So you mean to tell me Islam is responsible for hating gays, to which many people in this country discriminate and hate gays already?

[Spurminator]

This wasnt a terrorist attack. Terror is motivated by politics... this is clearly just a mentally unstable individual who had animosity toward gays

This is the definition of terror. "I hate your lifestyle so I'm going make you fear for your lives for practicing that lifestyle."

It may not be organized terrorism but it's still terrorism.

[Spurminator]

Says the libcuck who can't even hide his disappointment that it wasn't a white male Christian conservative NRA member.

Don't worry, I'm sure Obama will find a way to blame the gun instead of the shooter and avoid saying the word "Islam." And I'm sure you'll be just as outraged over partisan scorekeeping then, right?

Welcome back to the forum. I see you're still an idiot.

There's a major difference between talking about gun access and talking about Muslims. If Obama blames this shooting on gun owners, you will have a point. But he won't.

[Spurminator]

No, but Democrats certainly rushed to blame all white males, conservatives and law-abiding gun owners for Roof.

:lmao

No they didn't. You're a sensitive pussy.

[Will Hunting]

It's one thing for people in this thread to score keep and make this about the shooters demographics, but the way every major news outlet does is what's fucked up imo. Giving as much air time to the shooter as they always do does nothing but encourage anyone else out there thinking about how famous they'll get after a mass shooting.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The issue is being so easily accessible as any other machine gun. They should not be able to be obtained period, at a gun show or in a store. Machine guns should only be used by military and cops. So you mean to tell me Islam is responsible for hating gays, to which many people in this country discriminate and hate gays already?
An AR15 is not a machine gun dipshit. And an actual machine gun is not easily accessible in the least bit.

[djohn2oo8]

What is ironic is repugs generally hate LBGT laws and gays in general. Then they say "let's blame Islam for the same shitty attitude about gays that we share."

[boutons_deux]

An AR15 is not a machine gun dipshit. And an actual machine gun is not easily accessible in the least bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Zjs44WvVA

[TheSanityAnnex]

TSA's sicko gun fellating, racist, xenophobic, LGBTQ hatin' fellow-travellers.

Right-Wing Terrorists Are Killing More Americans Than Jihadists Are

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/...ic-terrorists/ (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/10/16/3713318/doj-creates-new-post-to-focus-on-threats-from-rightwing-radicals-and-other-domestic-terrorists/)


The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...or-threat.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html)


Homegrown Extremists Far Right Wing Attacks

Total number of people killed:48





Plot name
Persons killed


2015 Colorado Planned Parenthood Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1678448521)
3


2015 Charleston Church Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=560848931)
9


2014 Las Vegas Police Ambush (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1713)
3


2014 Kansas Jewish Center Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1681)
3


2014 Blooming Grove Police Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1792)
1


2012 Tri-State Killing Spree (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1679)
4


2012 St. John's Parish Police Ambush (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1678)
2


2012 Sikh Temple Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1680)
6


2011 FEAR Militia (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1682)
3


2010 Carlisle, PA Murder (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1676)
1


2010 Austin, TX Plane Attack (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1677)
1


2009 Pittsburgh Police Shootings (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1675)
3


2009 Holocaust Museum Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1670)
1


2009 George Tiller Assassination (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1671)
1


2009 Flores Murders, Pima County, AZ (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1672)
2


2009 Brockton, MA Murders (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1674)
2


2008 Knoxville, TN Church Shooting (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1669)
2


2004 Tulsa OK, Bank Robbery (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/terror-plot.html?id=1668)
1






... TSA freaks out about, ridiculous lefty political dissent and/or violence, which is promoted, congratulated by which non-Repug presidential wannabe?

by which leading Dems?









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well it looks like we won't be seeing this list from boutons for a while

[djohn2oo8]

An AR15 is not a machine gun dipshit. And an actual machine gun is not easily accessible in the least bit.

An Ar 15 can fire 700 rounds a minute. Fuck what it is, that is a devastating effect and should not be on the streets.

[apalisoc_9]

It's one thing for people in this thread to score keep and make this about the shooters demographics, but the way every major news outlet does is what's fucked up imo. Giving as much air time to the shooter as they always do does nothing but encourage anyone else out there thinking about how famous they'll get after a mass shooting.

Solid Post.

People fail to realize that these shooters all wanted to send a message. When Every shooters lifestyle is broadcasted the very same day and everything about his ideas...other deranged individuals start using it as a means to do their own "message?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Possible copy cat attack thwarted at the LA gay parade

http://abc7.com/news/suspect-w--arsenal-in-car-taken-into-custody-in-weho/1382290/

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao not easily accessible
http://www.academy.com/shop/browse/shooting/firearms/modern-sporting-rifles--1?cm_cr=No+Campaign-_-Web+Activity-_-SubCategoryRecommendation+F%26S-_-SubCategory_CP1-_-Modern+Sporting+Rifles-productNameLink

[apalisoc_9]

If we stop giving these shooters the idead that they can benefit from doing something as crazy as this one...

[TheSanityAnnex]

An Ar 15 can fire 700 rounds a minute. Fuck what it is, that is a devastating effect and should not be on the streets.

No, an AR15 can not shoot 700 rounds a minute. Shut the fuck up with your ridiculous comments.

[djohn2oo8]

Possible copy cat attack thwarted at the LA gay parade

http://abc7.com/news/suspect-w--arsenal-in-car-taken-into-custody-in-weho/1382290/

CN needs to get in here and explain how this hate against gays is related to Islam as well

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao not easily accessible
http://www.academy.com/shop/browse/shooting/firearms/modern-sporting-rifles--1?cm_cr=No+Campaign-_-Web+Activity-_-SubCategoryRecommendation+F%26S-_-SubCategory_CP1-_-Modern+Sporting+Rifles-productNameLink

That is not a machine gun. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

[RD2191]

Doesn't matter what kind of gun it was. The point is if a machine/tool/weapon has the capacity to kill 50 people and injure another 50 in a short amount of time then maybe said object shouldn't be so easily accessible to civilians.

[z0sa]

Its obvious this asshole hated gays. But no, blaming ISIS, you dumbasses give them more power.

ISIS? Who is talking about ISIS? You conflate ISIS with radical Islam too easily for political expedience.

Realize there's plenty of radical Muslims completely separate from ISIS. Pakistan had 11000 honor killings just last year, for example. There are millions of radical Muslims, at least, by most objective definitions of radical.

[spurraider21]

Has anyone heard if this guys gun was full auto? 50 people killed/53 injured is just mind blowing.
No im sure it was a knife. Higher fatality rates, remember?

[djohn2oo8]

No, an AR15 can not shoot 700 rounds a minute. Shut the fuck up with your ridiculous comments.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/01/07/slide_fire_this_simple_legal_add_on_lets_an_ar_15_ fire_900_rounds_per_minute.html

[djohn2oo8]

ISIS? Who is talking about ISIS? You conflate ISIS with radical Islam too easily for political expedience.

Realize there's plenty of radical Muslims completely separate from ISIS. Pakistan had 11000 honor killings just last year, for example. There are millions of radical Muslims, at least, by most objective definitions of radical.

You have some stupid fucks here already blaming them.

[djohn2oo8]

That is not a machine gun. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Those shouldn't be on the streets. Any weapon with a high fire rate per minute should be banned.

[hater]

Has obomber said anything worth a shit???

[Spurminator]

Well, the President didn't say the magic words. Get to work, Internet!

[Clipper Nation]

The issue is being so easily accessible as any other machine gun. They should not be able to be obtained period, at a gun show or in a store. Machine guns should only be used by military and cops. So you mean to tell me Islam is responsible for hating gays, to which many people in this country discriminate and hate gays already?
Again, you could ban all guns tomorrow and it wouldn't stop tragedies like this from occurring. Paris has some of the world's strictest gun laws, but it didn't stop the attacks from happening last November. Even if the Mateens of the world were suddenly unable to get their hands on illegal guns, they'd just use bombs, hijack planes, etc. - and people would still be killed. These are people who see Western laws, customs and culture as the enemy. Stricter gun control wouldn't faze any terrorists, it would only punish law-abiding citizens.

And are you really trying to compare the U.S. to radical Islam on LGBT rights? This is not the 1960s. The Stonewall riots were 47 years ago. Today, gay marriage is legal, and a record 61% of Americans approve of it. (http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx) In contrast, homosexuals are still routinely stoned to death or thrown off buildings in many parts of the Middle East. I know the self-righteous left desperately wants it to still be the '60s, with open bigotry everywhere you look, but things have changed for the better.

[Ghazi]

isis is too busy getting stomped by Iran/Russia/Syria. This guy apparently pledged allegiance to ISIS but ISIs has bigger issues to worry about than the LBGT community in Orlando... ISIS was at the peak of its power in 2014... 속they are in decline

[hater]

Trumps presidency chances just jumped to 60%

[Clipper Nation]

You have some stupid fucks here already blaming them.
By "stupid fucks," are you referring to the local police? You know, the ones whom Mateen called and pledged allegiance to ISIS over the phone before opening fire?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/terror-hate-what-motivated-orlando-nightclub-shooter-n590496

[hater]

isis is too busy getting stomped by Iran/Russia/Syria. This guy apparently pledged allegiance to ISIS but ISIs has bigger issues to worry about than the LBGT community in Orlando... ISIS was at the peak of its power in 2014... 속they are in decline

Yeah I hate that media is sensationalizing this as an ISIS attack.

Military industrial complex salivating today.... Smh

[Spurminator]

By "stupid fucks," are you referring to the local police? You know, the ones whom Mateen called and pledged allegiance to ISIS over the phone before opening fire?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/terror-hate-what-motivated-orlando-nightclub-shooter-n590496

Are you really unable differentiate between reporting facts of the case and assigning accountability based on demographics?

[Clipper Nation]

Are you really unable differentiate between reporting facts of the case and assigning accountability based on demographics?
How is this a relevant question? It's not "assigning accountability based on demographics" to say that a guy who pledged allegiance to ISIS before committing an act of terror is a radical Islamic terrorist.

[Obstructed_View]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Zjs44WvVA

You realize that's a troll video, right?

[Spurminator]

How is this a relevant question? It's not "assigning accountability based on demographics" to say that a guy who pledged allegiance to ISIS before committing an act of terror is a radical Islamic terrorist.

I agree, but you just compared that to blaming radical Islam.

[Clipper Nation]

I agree, but you just compared that to blaming radical Islam.
Radical Islam is to blame. People who aren't radical Islamists don't tend to pledge allegiance to ISIS before killing 50 people.

[Ghazi]

^ USA created and fathered radical Islam

[RD2191]

Radical Islam is to blame. People who aren't radical Islamists don't tend to pledge allegiance to ISIS before killing 50 people.

Even if it is to blame, what is your solution? Gonna deport and ban all muslims from the usa?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Those shouldn't be on the streets. Any weapon with a high fire rate per minute should be banned.
It doesn't fire any faster than your grandpas 10/22. All semi autos fire once with each trigger pull, you are essentially saying all guns should be banned.

[Spurminator]

Radical Islam is to blame. People who aren't radical Islamists don't tend to pledge allegiance to ISIS before killing 50 people.

So you're assigning accountability to others. Like I said in the first place.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You realize that's a troll video, right?

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

So you're assigning accountability to others. Like I said in the first place.
Nope. I'm assigning accountability to the radical Islamist who fired the gun and the radical Islamists who convinced him to do it. Blaming the gun, the NRA, America, etc. is just a distraction from where the accountability belongs.

[CosmicCowboy]

^ USA created and fathered radical Islam

That's just dumb. This shit goes back thousands of years.

[Will Hunting]

Even though shootings like this get the most attention and seem the most heinous, it still makes no sense to focus on AR-15s as enemy #1 when it comes to gun violence. Americans killed by AR-15s/semi-automatic rifles are a small fraction of the # of Americans killed by handguns, banning AR-15s would mean little to no reduction of gun deaths.

[Will Hunting]

^ USA created and fathered radical Islam

Radical Islam was created after WWI when Britain/France broke the Ottoman Empire up deliberately to keep the region in a constant state of war.

[CosmicCowboy]

An Ar 15 can fire 700 rounds a minute. Fuck what it is, that is a devastating effect and should not be on the streets.

That gets the award for the most ignorant post in this thread. I will bet you any amount of money you want that an AR15 can't fire even close to that many rounds in a minute. Typical hyperbole from the ignorant anti-gun nuts.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKLD5yVl0PM

[Clipper Nation]

Radical Islam was created after WWI when Britain/France broke the Ottoman Empire up deliberately to keep the region in a constant state of war.
No, that's just when the West got roped into their insanity. The various sects of Islam were waging war on each other long before that.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

:lmao

No they didn't. You're a sensitive pussy.


http://i.imgur.com/w88NAmx.jpg

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

^ USA created and fathered radical Islam

what do you believe is an appropriate punishment for homosexuality?

[z0sa]

Radical Islam was created after WWI when Britain/France broke the Ottoman Empire up deliberately to keep the region in a constant state of war.

It wqs the fighting of WW1 itself that initially incentivized militant radicalism. The Empire justified marching hundreds of thousands of illiterate peasant boys to their deaths via jihad and its promises of reward in heaven. The survivors could never accept the cost of losing the war nor its implications.

[z0sa]

Possible copy cat attack thwarted at the LA gay parade

http://abc7.com/news/suspect-w--arsenal-in-car-taken-into-custody-in-weho/1382290/

Crazy.

[Splits]

742034549232766976

[Will Hunting]

742034549232766976

:lmao

[Ghazi]

Yeah I hate that media is sensationalizing this as an ISIS attack.

Military industrial complex salivating today.... Smh


No, that's just when the West got roped into their insanity. The various sects of Islam were waging war on each other long before that.
Shia/Sunni conflicts are way different than some psycho shooting up a nightclub

[spurraider21]

Shia/Sunni conflicts are way different than some psycho shooting up a nightclub
I thought only white shooters got the mentally ill tag?

[spurraider21]

742034549232766976
Fucking turd

[Ghazi]

what do you believe is an appropriate punishment for homosexuality?

Whatever punishment Allah decides... but the Quran has not mandated taking random life at all. A few verses are misinterpreted as violent but the Book contains 0 calls to violence whatsoever. I have read it 10 or so times and cannot extract anything that justifies what Islamic State of Israel and CIAQuada do

[Ghazi]

I thought only white shooters got the mentally ill tag?

Thats how the media here seems to spin it. White = mentally ill, brown = terrorist. This guy is clearly a lone wolf basketcase.

[Ghazi]

Again, if anyone is following IsIS, they have lost a lot of territory lately, are on the run, and are being blitzed by Hezbollah/Russian Air Force/Syrian Arab Army, IsIs has nothing to gain with an attack like this... this is just an isolated basketcase, even his phone call pledging allegiance to IsIS cannot be taken seriously. If loyal to ISIs, why not take a flight to Syria and join their crippled and depleted forces? ISIS is a joke soon to be wiped away from history, and its clear as day USA created IsIS as a proxy army to destroy Iraq and try and overthrow Assad... Israel Turkey and Saudi Arabia are in on it as well.

[hater]

Yup ISIS is a jke. Yet CNN FOX etc keep being their marketing department by keep mentioning them.

CNN, FOX = ISIS

[RD2191]

CNN "Gunman pro-isis" :lmao I can't even...

[Ghazi]

its Russia and Iran that are kicking ISIS's ass ironically. USA isnt even at war with their own stepchild

[CosmicCowboy]

Yup ISIS is a jke. Yet CNN FOX etc keep being their marketing department by keep mentioning them.

CNN, FOX = ISIS

Oh yeah. Clearly the JV team.

So glad you guys told us that Islamic Terrorism is virtually defeated and will end soon.

:lmao

[Splits]

Definitely had a semi-auto with clips that could hold more than 20 rounds

http://m.wesh.com/news/multiple-gunshots-heard-in-snapchat-video/40018078

[Ghazi]

Oh yeah. Clearly the JV team.

So glad you guys told us that Islamic Terrorism is virtually defeated and will end soon.

:lmao
This wasnt an act of terrorism. Terrorism has political undertones. This was just a hate crime by a basketcase. W

[DPG21920]

I agree he was some homophobic sick person but he's also claiming ISIS himself was he not?

[Spurminator]

This wasnt an act of terrorism. Terrorism has political undertones. This was just a hate crime by a basketcase. W

Individual basket cases can still commit terrorism.

[DPG21920]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

This is a video from April in Orlando making rounds

The local mosque had a speaker that was caught on film talking about killing gays. 2 months before this happened.

qBlwxqqAprQ

[Ghazi]

I agree he was some homophobic sick person but he's also claiming ISIS himself was he not?

He claimed allegiance to ISIS, whatever that might mean... but as Ive said ISIs is getting its ass kicked right now in Syria and Iraq, if he was so dedicated he would go over there and join a losing cause rather than shoot up a random night club

[DPG21920]

I have not seen confirmed but is it true Isis now taking credit?

[DPG21920]

He claimed allegiance to ISIS, whatever that might mean... but as Ive said ISIs is getting its ass kicked right now in Syria and Iraq, if he was so dedicated he would go over there and join a losing cause rather than shoot up a random night club

You may think that way logically but that doesn't make it true. I'm just saying that I don't understand people mocking news outlets for associating this with Isis when the killer himself said this.

That doesn't mean it was not motivated by being homophobic. That doesn't mean it should be the only area discussed. But the killer went out of their way to claim Isis.

[Spurminator]

I'm pretty impressed by the transparency of the updates on the ongoing investigation so far.

[IceColdBrewski]

FBI has had their eye on this guy for years now. Clearly this was something way more than just some guy who snapped after watching a gay couple kiss.

[Ghazi]

You may think that way logically but that doesn't make it true. I'm just saying that I don't understand people mocking news outlets for associating this with Isis when the killer himself said this.

That doesn't mean it was not motivated by being homophobic. That doesn't mean it should be the only area discussed. But the killer went out of their way to claim Isis.
Id say he was inspired by ISIS but i doubt ISIS gave him orders to commit this act.

[DPG21920]

Id say he was inspired by ISIS but i doubt ISIS gave him orders to commit this act.

I don't disagree. I could see Isis taking credit after to rally the troops but I'm saying the connection shouldn't be dismissed with this much noise.

[angrydude]

It is the religion's fault. It's pretty plain that if you're muslim, it is socially acceptable to be a mass murderer as long as you do it for the "right" reasons.

[angrydude]

I'm sure gun control would have stopped this premeditated act that he had clearly planned for weeks. Stronger gun control laws would have prevented him from blowing up a suicide vest or other type of bomb to even more lethal effect.

[DPG21920]

I'm sure gun control would have stopped this premeditated act that he had clearly planned for weeks. Stronger gun control laws would have prevented him from blowing up a suicide vest or other type of bomb to even more lethal effect.

Why does that matter? Even if stricter gun laws would not have stopped this why is it not a good idea to have people on a terrorist watch list banned from buying guns??

[angrydude]

Why does that matter? Even if stricter gun laws would not have stopped this why is it not a good idea to have people on a terrorist watch list banned from buying guns??

Due process of law? BTW, there are probably more people on the terrorist watch list--who don't pose a threat--than you think.

[djohn2oo8]

Why does that matter? Even if stricter gun laws would not have stopped this why is it not a good idea to have people on a terrorist watch list banned from buying guns??

this

[Spurminator]

It is the religion's fault. It's pretty plain that if you're muslim, it is socially acceptable to be a mass murderer as long as you do it for the "right" reasons.

It's pretty plain that you don't know any Muslims.

[djohn2oo8]

I don't disagree. I could see Isis taking credit after to rally the troops but I'm saying the connection shouldn't be dismissed with this much noise.

This. he claimed them so they see an opportunity to rally the troops as you said.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Due process of law? BTW, there are probably more people on the terrorist watch list--who don't pose a threat--than you think.

Then correct that. That still doesn't mean people on it should be able to get guns. All you are doing is mindlessly parroting the NRA's policy to drum up demand at every opportunity.

[Ghazi]

Im probably on the terrorist watch list for fucks sake

[Clipper Nation]

Mateen's father is a Taliban sympathizer:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/?postshare=4721465759963845&tid=ss_tw

Won't stop the left from grasping at straws to deny the obvious here. :cry "But, but, muh NRA!" :cry

[DPG21920]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

This is a video from April in Orlando making rounds

The local mosque had a speaker that was caught on film talking about killing gays. 2 months before this happened.

qBlwxqqAprQ

No one finds this video interesting?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No one finds this video interesting?

I would find it interesting if Hadith would become the conversation because that is what he is citing but getting Muslim's to talk about it as a problem is like pulling teeth.

[Clipper Nation]

No one finds this video interesting?
It doesn't fit the narrative that the NRA and guns are to blame, so the usual suspects will ignore it. Clearly, attacking one of the few groups who have still managed to block any of their legislative agenda is more important to leftists than addressing the root cause of these attacks.

[RD2191]

No one finds this video interesting?
No

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

I have not seen confirmed but is it true Isis now taking credit?

http://i.imgur.com/gZPwN2i.jpg

and Muslim Twitter celebrates

http://i.imgur.com/4Pe4O2A.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

Mateen namedropped the Tsarnaev brothers as inspiration for his act of terror:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/06/orlando_nightclub_shooter_refe.html

:cry "But, but, it's the NRA's fault! Ban all guns!" :cry

[hitmanyr2k]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

This is a video from April in Orlando making rounds

The local mosque had a speaker that was caught on film talking about killing gays. 2 months before this happened.

qBlwxqqAprQ

Religious nuts. Same message :lol

qTNymA9mRq4

[Blizzardwizard]

Mateen namedropped the Tsarnaev brothers as inspiration for his act of terror:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/06/orlando_nightclub_shooter_refe.html

:cry "But, but, it's the NRA's fault! Ban all guns!" :cry

It's the NRA's fault that time and time again, crazed psychos such as this guy that are capable of ending multiple people's lives can easily acquire and legally purchase as many guns as they want.

Stricter background checks. Considering most people's positions are not to take away all guns, you'd think and hope the NRA in particular would at least be willing to compromise with common sense regulations.

[Spurminator]

Mateen namedropped the Tsarnaev brothers as inspiration for his act of terror:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/06/orlando_nightclub_shooter_refe.html

:cry "But, but, it's the NRA's fault! Ban all guns!" :cry


Most reasonable people don't have difficulty grasping the idea that multiple things could be blamed here.

Then again, you're the kind of person who proudly uses :cry(insert sarcasm):cry as a retort without realizing how stupid you look doing it, so this might be beyond your capacity for reason.

[spurraider21]

It's the NRA's fault that time and time again, crazed psychos such as this guy that are capable of ending multiple people's lives can easily acquire and legally purchase as many guns as they want.

Stricter background checks. Considering most people's positions are not to take away all guns, you'd think and hope the NRA in particular would at least be willing to compromise with common sense regulations.
Sure but all the proposed "restrictions" aren't going to do shit except earn political brownie points among the base. The only way to actually make a difference would be mass confiscation which will never happen

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS right before going in and starting to shoot. Whether or not their intelligence arm directed him, he clearly was inspired by them before the fact at the very least.

[spurtech09]

So he is a Muslim?Hmmm no wonder Obama looked mad....

[spankadelphia]

Intersectionality doesn't apply here. You can either support LGBT rights or you can support the right of Muslims to practice their ideology. You cannot have both in a liberal society.

[spurtech09]

Its a time we should be praying for one another....Forgive one another....Pray that everyone is safe and protected by the blood of Christ....Love you bro's and sisters...I pray that the people of Orlando is safe....God Bless

[Trill Clinton]

I just saw authorities apprehended a man who was armed with 3 AR's and a 5 gallon bucket of explosive liquid and on his wayou to Orlando.

Correction: he was in his way to gay pride in Los Angeles

[Clipper Nation]

It's the NRA's fault that time and time again, crazed psychos such as this guy that are capable of ending multiple people's lives can easily acquire and legally purchase as many guns as they want.

Stricter background checks. Considering most people's positions are not to take away all guns, you'd think and hope the NRA in particular would at least be willing to compromise with common sense regulations.
The shooter passed multiple background checks, was legally licensed and worked as a bodyguard. Unless you invent a crystal ball that can see the future and find out who's going to be radicalized before it happens, there's only so much you can do with background checks. At some point, it stops being everyone else's fault and starts being about the person who pulled the trigger.

[DPG21920]

I just saw authorities apprehended a man who was armed with 3 AR's and a 5 gallon bucket of explosive liquid and on his wayou to Orlando.

Correction: he was in his way to gay pride in Los Angeles

I read that too - crazy. Looks like an anonymous tip led authorities to him. Just wild.

[DPG21920]

Religious nuts. Same message :lol

qTNymA9mRq4

I'm not saying there aren't other people. That wasn't the point. The point was that video I posted took place in a mosque just 60 days before this event in the same city this event occurred.

[DPG21920]

No

Explain.

[Spurminator]

At some point, it stops being everyone else's fault and starts being about the person who pulled the trigger.

And Muslims. Don't forget the Muslims.

[Clipper Nation]

And Muslims. Don't forget the Muslims.
The radical ones who either pulled the trigger or talked the killer into it.

[Ghazi]

This guy wasnt even religious according to his family

[Clipper Nation]

This guy wasnt even religious according to his family
Yeah, I'm sure his Taliban-supporting father was being honest about that. Definitely not taqiyya or anything. :rolleyes

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This guy wasnt even religious according to his family

He pledged to ISIS to the cops right before doing it. His family isn't exactly objective either.

[spurraider21]

He called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS right before going in and starting to shoot. Whether or not their intelligence arm directed him, he clearly was inspired by them before the fact at the very least.
Yeah based on the info available as of now he wasn't trained or ordered by isis or anything like that but certainly bought into their cause/message

[DPG21920]

The issue obviously is there is so much NRA money tied into politics. It's quite ridiculous. And while people I think legit feel disgusted and scared and tired of these shooting, they don't take their elected officials to task for being in bed with the NRA.

Stop voting for people that have taken money from the NRA if that is what you believe in.

[djohn2oo8]

The shooter passed multiple background checks, was legally licensed and worked as a bodyguard. Unless you invent a crystal ball that can see the future and find out who's going to be radicalized before it happens, there's only so much you can do with background checks. At some point, it stops being everyone else's fault and starts being about the person who pulled the trigger.

Yet he was on a terror watch list and was able to pass a background check :lmao

Dumbass NRA cocksuckers

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The issue obviously is there is so much NRA money tied into politics. It's quite ridiculous. And while people I think legit feel disgusted and scared and tired of these shooting, they don't take their elected officials to task for being in bed with the NRA.

Stop voting for people that have taken money from the NRA if that is what you believe in.

They have the GOP and purple/red state dems by the balls. You break from their platform and they contest you in the next primary with lots of money.

[IceColdBrewski]

Yeah based on the info available as of now he wasn't trained or ordered by isis or anything like that but certainly bought into their cause/message

http://nypost.com/2014/09/22/islamic-state-urges-attacks-on-us-western-crusaders/


WASHINGTON – The ISIS terror group is urging supporters to take the fight directly to the streets of the US and Europe by murdering civilians at random.

“Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him,” ISIS spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani says in a newly-released ISIS recording.

...

But this is the first public plea to untrained sympathizers to murder American and European civilians in their homelands as retaliation for the coalition being formed by the US to destroy the radical group.

“If you can kill a disbelieving American or European, especially the spiteful and filthy French, or an Australian, or a Canadian … including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him,”


Sounds like orders to me. But since he was never trained by ISIS, or supplied weapons by them, we're supposed to keep our heads in the sand and pretend ISIS had nothing to do with this I guess.

[djohn2oo8]

I mean yeah, there's no way to predict what someone on a terror watch list might do with a gun.

[DPG21920]

They have the GOP and purple/red state dems by the balls. You break from their platform and they contest you in the next primary with lots of money.

It's really gotten out of control. I know it's Candy Land thinking from me but at some point, people have to do what's right for the greater good of this country and it's people. I know it's difficult and like you said, they really have dirt on everyone and so much power.

It has to change or this will continue to be a problem. I think criminals will always find a way but we have to do something different. The only power the people have outside of sending thoughts and prayers is how they vote.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Intersectionality doesn't apply here. You can either support LGBT rights or you can support the right of Muslims to practice their ideology. You cannot have both in a liberal society.

The quran doesn't have the death sentence for LBGT. It's a hadith and many muslims reject hadith because the quran says to.

Unfortunately like christianity in the 4th century, islam in the 8th onwards out of Damascus and Baghdad started making up shit supposedly said by muhammad and passing it off as law. All of pauls writing being included in the bible is the same thing.

Using your logic you could say the same for judaism and christianity as well for Leviticus and well as paul's shit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's really gotten out of control. I know it's Candy Land thinking from me but at some point, people have to do what's right for the greater good of this country and it's people. I know it's difficult and like you said, they really have dirt on everyone and so much power.

It has to change or this will continue to be a problem. I think criminals will always find a way but we have to do something different. The only power the people have outside of sending thoughts and prayers is how they vote.

It's going to take a systemic change. Citizens United needs to be gutted and this notion that money is speech be repudiated. We are an oligarchy plain and simple and arms manufacturers are extremely rich. Arm the populace and start a war. Reap profits.

[Big Dog]

Intersectionality doesn't apply here. You can either support LGBT rights or you can support the right of Muslims to practice their ideology. You cannot have both in a liberal society.
Liberals don't understand that. It will take many more senseless acts of terrorism like this for them to finally realize it. They are the epitome of fucking clueless.

[FromWayDowntown]

We regulate speech in so many more ways than we regulate guns, which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's the NRA's fault that time and time again, crazed psychos such as this guy that are capable of ending multiple people's lives can easily acquire and legally purchase as many guns as they want.

Stricter background checks. Considering most people's positions are not to take away all guns, you'd think and hope the NRA in particular would at least be willing to compromise with common sense regulations.
How is it the NRA's fault this guy passed extensive background checks?

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Florida resident Omar S. Mateen was registered by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services as a private security officer with an additional Class G Firearm License. Compared to a standard civilian concealed carry permit issued by the same Department, Mateen was required to undergo the full battery of common gun control measures floated after mass shootings.
Before acquiring a Class G permit, Mateen completed the requirements for the prerequisite Class D protocol (http://www.s2institute.com/content/_pages_dng/classd_full.php). The Basic Security Officer Training process requires the completion of a 40 hour course over four consecutive days by a school or instructor licensed by the State of Florida. Mateen had to clear a criminal background check to satisfy the requirements and be legally able to work in the United States. He was required to renew his Class D Security license annually. Breitbart Texas’ review of Mateen’s Class D record found that license number D2723758 was set to expire on September 14, 2017.

Florida resident Omar S. Mateen was registered by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services as a private security officer with an additional Class G Firearm License. Compared to a standard civilian concealed carry permit issued by the same Department, Mateen was required to undergo the full battery of common gun control measures floated after mass shootings.
Before acquiring a Class G permit, Mateen completed the requirements for the prerequisite Class D protocol (http://www.s2institute.com/content/_pages_dng/classd_full.php). The Basic Security Officer Training process requires the completion of a 40 hour course over four consecutive days by a school or instructor licensed by the State of Florida. Mateen had to clear a criminal background check to satisfy the requirements and be legally able to work in the United States. He was required to renew his Class D Security license annually. Breitbart Texas’ review of Mateen’s Class D record found that license number D2723758 was set to expire on September 14, 2017.
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/06/D-1024x505.png
Florida Dept. of Agriculture
Mateen’s Class G firearm license was far more detailed (http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Licensing/Private-Investigation/Private-Investigation-and-Firearms/G-License-Classroom-and-Range-Requirements). The gunman completed an additional 28 hours of guided instruction focusing on legal statutes governing the permit and responsibilities therein (12 hours); operational safety and firearm mechanics (8 hours); and a firearms qualification exam in a shooting range for eight hours. He passed a 96-round shooting proficiency battery. Thereafter, Mateen’s criminal background was reviewed again pursuant to the application (http://forms.freshfromflorida.com/16008.pdf) and submitted to a separate medical evaluation that certified he had no conditions that “would preclude [Mateen] from performing duties in an armed capacity.”
Class G licensees must register proofs of identity, citizenship/legal residency and fingerprints with application documents as well. Like Class D holders, Class G requires annual proficiency testing as well. Omar Mateen’s Class G license (G2704169) would have expired on September 13, 2017.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/12/orlando-terrorist-gun-control-compliant-shooter-history/

[spurraider21]

http://nypost.com/2014/09/22/islamic-state-urges-attacks-on-us-western-crusaders/



Sounds like orders to me. But since he was never trained by ISIS, or supplied weapons by them, we're supposed to keep our heads in the sand and pretend ISIS had nothing to do with this I guess.
No specific order to him. The quote you gave is so broad that any time any Muslim comments any act of violence regardless of motive or intent, you can attribute to them.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.ar15.com/images/2008skins/icons/doubleArrowRight.png (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1877229&r=&qte=1#i)
...Mateen who according to preliminary reports, had been on a terrorist watchlist, and who still managed to obtain weapons thanks to his various licenses and permits just last week, was employed by one of the world's largest security companies, where he may have had extensive clearances well above his pay grade, not to mention access to sophisticated military weapons and equipment.

But where it gets more disturbing is that as Judicial Watch reported several days ago, in a post titled, "DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads Of Illegal Aliens Away From Border", border patrol sources said that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was quietly transporting illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to Phoenix and releasing them without proper processing or issuing court appearance documents. As a reminder, the government classifies them as Other Than Mexican (OTM) and this week around 35 were transferred 116 miles north from Tucson to a Phoenix bus station where they went their separate way. Judicial Watch was present when one of the white vans carrying a group of OTMs arrived at the Phoenix Greyhound station on Buckeye Road.

And this is where the Mateen-G4S link emerges: as JW reported previously, a security company contracted by the U.S. government is driving the OTMs from the Border Patrol’s Tucson Sector where they were in custody to Phoenix, sources said. The firm is the abovementioned G4S, the world’s leading security solutions group with operations in more than 100 countries and 610,000 employees. G4S has more than 50,000 employees in the U.S. and its domestic headquarters is in Jupiter, Florida.




http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/orlando-shooter-worked-security-company-which-tranports-illegal-immigrants-deep-insi

[spurraider21]

Liberals don't understand that. It will take many more senseless acts of terrorism like this for them to finally realize it. They are the epitome of fucking clueless.
But Christianity also denounces fags. And you don't see anybody saying the same about Christians and gays in that manner. It's not the religion as a whole per se, but the moron practitioners

[TDMVPDPOY]

interesting how they trying to blame this as a terrorists act

if it was a terrorists act, why would the gun ranges/selller sell him that sort of rifle? they wouldve been notified about him by authorities

whether his a gay hater or arab, why arent they focusing on gun control laws? why is those type of military guns are allowed to be sold to the avg person?

[spankadelphia]

But Christianity also denounces fags. And you don't see anybody saying the same about Christians and gays in that manner. It's not the religion as a whole per se, but the moron practitioners

False equivalence fuckwit. The worst those evil Christians do is refuse to bake cakes with giant black cock designs or hold clown world marriages in their places of holy worship. They don't strap up and gun them down by the dozens.

Try again.

[spurraider21]

False equivalence fuckwit. The worst those evil Christians do is refuse to bake cakes with giant black cock designs or hold clown world marriages in their places of holy worship. They don't strap up and gun them down by the dozens.

Try again.
the equivalence i made was between the religions, not between the practitioners. if you were able to read, you'd know that.

[spurraider21]

By the way, are French facebook users changing their profile picture to the American flag like everybody here did after Paris?

[Clipper Nation]

Yet he was on a terror watch list and was able to pass a background check :lmao

Dumbass NRA cocksuckers

Incorrect:


News of the legal purchases comes as officials confirmed that Mateen had been interviewed three times by the FBI (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/federal-bureau-of-investigation.htm) in the years leading up to the shooting because his name came up in connection to two different cases. Such information would not show up in a background check because both cases were closed.

Law enforcement sources confirmed that Mateen was on the FBI's radar but not necessarily on a watch list.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooter-bought-guns-previous-flags-fbi/story?id=39799861

Dumbass gun confiscation cocksuckers.

[Spurminator]

These are the victims of the Orlando massacre.
http://fusion.net/story/313038/orlando-shooting-victims-names-pulse-massacre/ (http://fusion.net/story/313038/orlando-shooting-victims-names-pulse-massacre/)
(Developing)

[pgardn]

Question:

Has it become too easy to kill large numbers of civilians outside of war/revolution settings?

[Clipper Nation]

We regulate speech in so many more ways than we regulate guns, which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.

We regulate guns more than we regulate cars (which are 3,000 pound death machines), which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.

[SpursforSix]

Question:

Has it become too easy to kill large numbers of civilians outside of war/revolution settings?

It will always be easy if that's what someone wants to do. Guns or not.

[spurraider21]

We regulate guns more than we regulate cars (which are 3,000 pound death machines), which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.
if this mateen fuck had a car instead of an AR15 or whatever it was, there would be way less dead and injured people

[Spurminator]

We regulate guns more than we regulate cars

We do?

[Spurminator]

I have to register my car every year. How often do you register your guns?

[Pelicans78]

False equivalence fuckwit. The worst those evil Christians do is refuse to bake cakes with giant black cock designs or hold clown world marriages in their places of holy worship. They don't strap up and gun them down by the dozens.

Try again.

To be fair. The second Iraq was a brutal Judeo-Christian assault on a sovereign Muslim country supported by the majority of Evangelicals and coordinated by Zionists.

[Pelicans78]

Question:

Has it become too easy to kill large numbers of civilians outside of war/revolution settings?

Terrorism was pretty bad in the 70s but the number of casualties weren't this high.

[DMX7]

We regulate guns more than we regulate cars (which are 3,000 pound death machines), which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.

Owning a car is not a constitutional right they will say.

[Clipper Nation]

We do?

We put kids as young as 14 years old behind the wheel of 3,000-pound death machines. You have to be 18 or older to own a handgun.

We don't even require a license or registration to drive a car on private property (though you do still need both to drive on public roads). Many states require people to register their guns without such an exception, and the left would like that to apply nationally.

Driver's licenses are valid across state lines. Gun licenses are not.

Cars can be sold across state lines. Guns can't.

It's ridiculous how soft we are on cars compared to guns when cars are more dangerous. In fact, the typical car is 25 times more likely to kill someone accidentally than the typical gun, and owning a car is 80% more likely to result in the death of another person than owning a gun:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/09/01/should-guns-be-regulated-like-cars/#28faa5406b00

[spurraider21]

why do you call cars death machines but not guns :lol

[SpursforSix]

We put kids as young as 14 years old behind the wheel of 3,000-pound death machines. You have to be 18 or older to own a handgun.

We don't even require a license or registration to drive a car on private property (though you do still need both to drive on public roads). Many states require people to register their guns without such an exception, and the left would like that to apply nationally.

Driver's licenses are valid across state lines. Gun licenses are not.

Cars can be sold across state lines. Guns can't.

It's ridiculous how soft we are on cars compared to guns when cars are more dangerous. In fact, the typical car is 25 times more likely to kill someone accidentally than the typical gun, and owning a car is 80% more likely to result in the death of another person than owning a gun:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/09/01/should-guns-be-regulated-like-cars/#28faa5406b00


Don't forget that a car is filled with gasoline and could be used as a mobile bomb. All the metal and plastic...shrapnel.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the way it see it, as long the seller makes a sale they dont care

the seller would use the excuse, if i dont sell guns, the buyer would go buy it from the blackmarket, thats a loss sale for me

so in other words, i dont give a shit, i will sell that gun to make my sales and bonus

[SpursforSix]

the way it see it, as long the seller makes a sale they dont care

the seller would use the excuse, if i dont sell guns, the buyer would go buy it from the blackmarket, thats a loss sale for me

so in other words, i dont give a shit, i will sell that gun to make my sales and bonus

What's he supposed to do?

[Spurminator]

We put kids as young as 14 years old behind the wheel of 3,000-pound death machines. You have to be 18 or older to own a handgun.

Good point, that age limit has done a great job of keeping guns out of the hands of kids. Is there a law I'm not aware of that prevents minors from handling a firearm the way there are laws against unlicensed minors driving cars? How much training do we require for kids to be able to shoot daddy's gun?


We don't even require a license or registration to drive a car on private property (though you do still need both to drive on public roads).

Yeah... that part in parentheses is like 10000x more significant a scenario. Unless there's some epidemic of fatal automobile casualties in driveways that I'm not aware of.


Many states require people to register their guns without such an exception, and the left would like that to apply nationally.

The horror! (All 50 states require auto registration.)


Driver's licenses are valid across state lines. Gun licenses are not.

Bummer.
When was the last time you registered a gun?


Cars can be sold across state lines. Guns can't.

Bummer.
When was the last time you registered a gun?

[pgardn]

It will always be easy if that's what someone wants to do. Guns or not.

So when in the 1700s did you have 1 man kill 50 people in 30 minutes without any help?

[Clipper Nation]

Omar Mateen, whose bloody siege inside a packed Orlando gay nightclub ended when SWAT teams stormed the building and killed him, was a radical Muslim who followed Marcus Dwayne Robertson, a law enforcement source said.

"It is no coincidence that this happened in Orlando," said a law enforcement source familiar with Robertson's history of recruiting terrorists and inciting violence. "Mateen was enrolled in [Robertson's online] Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary."

Robertson's school may not have been the only source of Mateen's spiritual guidance. The gunman was at the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce with Imam Shafiq Rahman two days before the nightclub attack, according to The Washington Post. That mosque was frequented by American-born suicide bomber Monar abu Salha, who blew himself up in Syria in 2014, and the two knew each other, according to officials. Mateen's association with Salha led the FBI to interview him in 2014.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/orlando-gunman-tied-to-radical-imam-released-from-prison-last-year-say-law-enforcement-sources.html

:cry "But, but, muh NRA!" :cry

[Splits]

The question nobody is discussing is why it took 3 fucking hours from the first officers on the scene until the terrorist was taken out. What the fuck is wrong with all these "good guys with guns" that it takes 3 hours to intervene? I wonder how many of those 50 people would have survived if law enforcement would have manned up and stormed as soon as they got on the scene instead of planning a 3 hour SWAT team. Some heroes.

[boutons_deux]

:cry "But, but, muh NRA!" :cry

The NRA put combat weapons in civilians hands to enrich the gun industry, thereby enriching the NRA.

[SpursforSix]

So when in the 1700s did you have 1 man kill 50 people in 30 minutes without any help?

I never said anything about the past. I said it will always be easy.

[spurraider21]

The question nobody is discussing is why it took 3 fucking hours from the first officers on the scene until the terrorist was taken out. What the fuck is wrong with all these "good guys with guns" that it takes 3 hours to intervene? I wonder how many of those 50 people would have survived if law enforcement would have manned up and stormed as soon as they got on the scene instead of planning a 3 hour SWAT team. Some heroes.
arbiter of terrorism

[Splits]

arbiter of terrorism

You, of all people, are actually going to dispute whether or not this was terrorism?

[Blake]

They are already being blamed for the shooting by people like yourself.

I'm not blaming the NRA for this. Don't be stupid.

[Blake]

It is the religion's fault.

Lol what do you want to do about the religion?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The question nobody is discussing is why it took 3 fucking hours from the first officers on the scene until the terrorist was taken out. What the fuck is wrong with all these "good guys with guns" that it takes 3 hours to intervene? I wonder how many of those 50 people would have survived if law enforcement would have manned up and stormed as soon as they got on the scene instead of planning a 3 hour SWAT team. Some heroes.
The scene changed to hostage negotiations once they arrived. Sounds like they were killed right away and then he called 911.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The NRA put combat weapons in civilians hands to enrich the gun industry, thereby enriching the NRA.
An AR15 is not a combat weapon.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm not blaming the NRA for this. Don't be stupid.
Good.

[SpursforSix]

An AR15 is not a combat weapon.

They were interviewing a witness in the club and he said he saw a bullet sticking out of someone "this far" and he spread his thumb and finger about three inches apart.

[Blake]

We put kids as young as 14 years old behind the wheel of 3,000-pound death machines. You have to be 18 or older to own a handgun.

"California law prohibits minors from possessing a handgun.3*Exceptions to this prohibition include situations where a parent or legal guardian is present or has consented to the possession.4*In addition, minors may, with the consent of a parent or guardian, possess handguns when engaged in certain recreational sports, including, but not limited to, competitive shooting; agricultural, ranching, or hunting activities; and any motion picture, television, or video production, or entertainment or theatrical events, the nature of which involves the use of a firearm.5

There is no minimum age to possess rifles and shotguns in California, although federal age restrictions still apply.

http://smartgunlaws.org/category/state-minimum-age-purchase-possess-guns/

[Spurminator]

Good point, that age limit has done a great job of keeping guns out of the hands of kids. Is there a law I'm not aware of that prevents minors from handling a firearm the way there are laws against unlicensed minors driving cars? How much training do we require for kids to be able to shoot daddy's gun?



Yeah... that part in parentheses is like 10000x more significant a scenario. Unless there's some epidemic of fatal automobile casualties in driveways that I'm not aware of.



The horror! (All 50 states require auto registration.)



Bummer.
When was the last time you registered a gun?



Bummer.
When was the last time you registered a gun?

*crickets*