EU Britian stay

[pgardn]

Naturally there will be disruption at first but I think long term that the U.K. will be just fine. Let’s bump this thread five years from now and see which economy is doing better overall - U.K. or E.U..

It’s already bad in the UK, comparatively. There is absolutely no need to make this thing 7 years long at the very least imo.
There is a chance things could be much better quicker or worse for a longer period, it’s not finished. This never should have happened.
They are not going to become Bulgaria, but needless economic hardship is really very stupid. Especially for poor folk who get poorer.

[Winehole23]

Gibraltar row:


The British government has complained about language in EU contingency plans over a no-deal Brexit. Under the legislation, direct flights between the EU and the UK will continue for nine months in the event of a no-deal Brexit. But Gibraltar International Airport isn’t included in Brussels’ plan, which refers to Spain’s claim on the 800-metre section of land.https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1093965/brexit-news-gibraltar-brussels-spain-land-row

[Winehole23]

The Sunday Times reports a cabinet coup, May "gone in 10 days."


British Prime Minister Theresa May is facing a full-blown cabinet plot to remove her and 11 cabinet ministers have said they want her to resign, The Sunday Times’s political editor said.

“A full blown cabinet coup is under way tonight to remove Theresa May as prime minister,” Tim Shipman said.

Shipman quoted one unidentified cabinet minister as saying: “The end is nigh. She will be gone in 10 days.”

May’s de-facto deputy, David Lidington, is one contender to be interim prime minister but others are pushing for Environment Secretary Michael Gove or Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, Shipman said.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-plot/pm-may-facing-plot-from-minister-to-oust-her-sunday-times-reporter-idUKKCN1R40S7?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

[pgardn]

I think they might be headed for another vote.

This is why we have leaders voted in and dont let the public vote on every single move a government might make in a democracy.
They needlessly made their country poorer. Royal F up. Farange is on the run. What a fckn idiot...

[Winehole23]

Revoke Article 50 and revote, or prepare for an epic self-wounding.

Weird to think the Tories could end up being the bloc that succeeds in uniting Ireland, freeing Scotland and returning England to the peripheral importance it had in the 15th century.

[boutons_deux]

Britain Is Drowning Itself in Nostalgia


Brexit has exposed my country as a solipsistic backwater.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/opinion/sunday/britain-brexit.html?partner=rss&emc=rss (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/opinion/sunday/britain-brexit.html?partner=rss&emc=rss)

[FrostKing]

Britain Is Drowning Itself in Nostalgia


Brexit has exposed my country as a solipsistic backwater.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/opinion/sunday/britain-brexit.html?partner=rss&emc=rss (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/opinion/sunday/britain-brexit.html?partner=rss&emc=rss)
Paywall


The English are going extinct, there is a knife attack epidemic in London and sex trafficing rings have avoided persecution on the grounds of racism ; and this guy is pointing the finger at nostalgia. Talk about head in the sand.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/vQGqKtD/Screenshot-2019-03-23-21-48-20-1.png

[boutons_deux]

Britain’s financial sector has gloomiest outlook since 2008 crisis

Optimism about the business outlook among Britain’s financial services firms has fallen at its fastest rate since the 2008 financial crisis

amid concerns about Britain’s exit from the European Union, a survey showed on Monday.

Business volumes among the 84 top financial firms polled have also fallen at their fastest rate since September 2012, the survey by the Confederation of British Industry and accounting firm PwC showed.


The mounting gloom from banks, insurers, fund managers and other financial firms comes as Prime Minister Theresa May battles to get her twice-rejected withdrawal agreement with the EU through a bitterly divided parliament.

The investment management industry saw the sharpest fall in growth, the CBI/PwC survey said, as investors hold on to their cash in turbulent markets, while insurance brokers were the lone bright spot.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/britains-financial-sector-gloomiest-outlook-since-2008-crisis-survey/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/britains-financial-sector-gloomiest-outlook-since-2008-crisis-survey/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[FrostKing]

Prince Harry had child. The 7th person to the English throne is black

How the mighty fall

Vote Brexit to leave Europe but pledge allegiance to an african.

[Winehole23]

det "r" word:


From testimony by Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay in the House of Lords yesterday regarding a planned vote on the Withdrawal Agreement:



I think if the House of Commons does not approve the WAB [Withdrawal Agreement Bill] hen the Barnier deal is dead in that form and I think the House will have to then address a much more fundamental question between whether it will pursue… a no-deal option or whether it will revoke.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9084531/theresa-may-faces-deal-defeat-again/

[Winehole23]

Prince Harry had child. The 7th person to the English throne is black

How the mighty fall

Vote Brexit to leave Europe but pledge allegiance to an african.The kid is and will be English, tbh.

[Winehole23]

Will Boris Johnson be the last PM of the UK?

1132066472220667904

[pgardn]

Will Boris Johnson be the last PM of the UK?

1132066472220667904

This really illustrates how nutty the world is.
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump, leaders of democratic societies.

Makes me realize authoritarian Russia at least gets competent people in high positions. Even if their intentions are sick.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/mT8JX18/Screenshot-2019-05-26-19-47-32-1.png

https://i.ibb.co/n0ykVS0/D7emhcb-X4-AA85-Hd.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/VJZtc83/D7emhcc-W0-AA8qxn.jpg

[Winehole23]

soda straw view of Copenhagen vs. a promo shot of a club in Romania, I'm convinced!

what was your point, again?

[DMX7]

soda straw view of Copenhagen vs. a promo shot of a club in Romania, I'm convinced!

what was your point, again?

Co-signed

[FrostKing]

Sneaker wearers spotted. What are your go to gym shoes for a night out on the town?

[Winehole23]

Sneaker wearers spotted. What are your go to gym shoes for a night out on the town?Miscegenation, multiculturalism and lax immigration policies are obviously to blame!

[pgardn]

The insistence of the Britain exit voters reeks of a strong anti-immigration back bone.
The Green party and other more liberal parties than the old standards also gained votes indicating they have a very divided nation.

But for multiple years they have basically just thrown money out the window.
So stupid.

The other European elections appear to show mixed results but a strong anti-immigration stance.
Germany and the Netherlands Appear to reject the populist scare tactics and went with the more liberal parties pretty decisively. But again the old standard parties lost votes. France and Italy appear To have done the opposite of Germany and the Netherlands.

Something to take note of for the US and the democratic party. It might indicate Joe Biden would not defeat Donald Trump as decisively as a more left-leaning candidate. Each case is different but the trends are noted

[boutons_deux]

just like USA, EU bottom 50% are desperately fed up with mythical democracy, Capitalism, inequality, lack of opportunity, and rightwing demagogues are lying to them that authoritarianism is the solution

Even is Shining Light on a Hill USA, 30%? want a dictator

[pgardn]

Trump says Boris Johnson would make a fine Prime Minister.

Trump takes an Orange dump on hater yet again.

[FrostKing]

In 2017, the last year for which figures are available, Poland issued more visas to foreign workers than any other country in Europe

Despite official warnings to stay away, foreigners have flocked to a booming economy. Most are Ukrainians, for whom the fact that Poland has a language and culture similar to their own is a bonus. Much smaller numbers of Belarussians, Moldavans, Indians, and Nepalis are also choosing to move to the country.

https://i.ibb.co/2h1SmfK/Screen-Shot-2019-06-20-at-1-44-20-AM.png

[pgardn]

This is bigger than immigration.
No doubt it is a part of the drive but the economics are just absolute stupidity.

So GB might become whiter and poorer, wonderful.
Maybe the US can accomplish the same thing.

[Winehole23]

This is bigger than immigration.
No doubt it is a part of the drive but the economics are just absolute stupidity.

So GB might become whiter and poorer, wonderful.
Maybe the US can accomplish the same thing.The worse things get for us, the better for a charismatic authoritarian like Trump.

Social privation and the breakdown of democratic norms are suitable preconditions for the formation of a government of national salvation.

[boutons_deux]

The worse things get for us, the better for a charismatic authoritarian like Trump.

Social privation and the breakdown of democratic norms are suitable preconditions for the formation of a government of national salvation.

accidental-so-called Pres Trash, bad faith asshole, has violated so much that the smart authoritarians now know what they can get away with, and much more.

That's why Trash must be impeached and found guilty by the House.

Pelosi's brain-dead strategy of "let's do nothing and then just vote him out" is fucking horrendous.


The oligarchy and the Repugs have known for 40 years they can do just about anything and get away it, as the Dem comply in silence.

Corrupting the Federal judiciary with young, Leonard Leo political stooges is fundamental to the oligarchy's and theocrats' strategy.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/RycXZJP/IMG-20190628-WA0002-1.jpg

[koriwhat]

accidental-so-called Pres Trash, bad faith asshole, has violated so much that the smart authoritarians now know what they can get away with, and much more.

name those violations please.


That's why Trash must be impeached and found guilty by the House.

guilty of what exactly? please list the charges against trump.


The oligarchy and the Repugs have known for 40 years they can do just about anything and get away it, as the Dem comply in silence.

lol as there's been the same number of dems in office for the past couple decades. guess the oligarch, fucking gay ass overused word by you scared lefty dipshits, is composed of both left and right.

[koriwhat]

https://i.ibb.co/RycXZJP/IMG-20190628-WA0002-1.jpg

yep. :tu

[Chris]

This lady is awesome :tu


https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1146782908469977090

[Winehole23]

Quillette is hornt for BoJo:

1153736396101881862

[Herdonne]

I think they might be headed for another vote.

This is why we have leaders voted in and dont let the public vote on every single move a government might make in a democracy.
They needlessly made their country poorer. Royal F up. Farange is on the run. What a fckn idiot...

I would rather agree with you. Probably will be a second vote

[boutons_deux]

UK plays Brexit hardball from a submarine base, pound tumbles

Sterling tumbled to a 28-month low on Monday as Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the Brexit divorce was dead and warned that unless the European Union renegotiated,

Britain would leave on Oct. 31 without a deal.

Many investors say a no-deal Brexit would send

shock waves through the world economy,

tip Britain’s economy into a recession,

roil financial markets and

weaken London’s position as the pre-eminent international financial center.Johnson’s bet is that

the threat of a no-deal Brexit will persuade the EU’s biggest powers - Germany and France - to

agree to revise the Withdrawal Agreement that Theresa May agreed

but failed three times to push through the British parliament.

“The Withdrawal Agreement is dead, it’s got to go. But there is scope to do a new deal,” Johnson

“We are going to go ahead and come out of the EU on October 31.”

The 27 other EU members, though, say publicly and privately that the divorce settlement - including the backstop - is not up for barter.

Many EU diplomats say they believe an election in Britain is highly likely.

If Johnson goes for a no-deal Brexit,

some British lawmakers will attempt to stop him,

possibly collapsing his government.

If they try to thwart Brexit, an election becomes much more likely.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-brexit/uk-plays-brexit-hardball-from-a-submarine-base-pound-tumbles-idUSKCN1UO0Q4?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-brexit/uk-plays-brexit-hardball-from-a-submarine-base-pound-tumbles-idUSKCN1UO0Q4?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)

It would be hilarious if, with Trash supporting a Pootin-friendly HARD Brexit, the world finances go into shock, big recession follows and kills Trash's re-election.

And Pootin would laugh this ass off at the chaos he would have caused in the West.

[Thread]

3+ years & the fucks are still stalling, searching for another (vote) like here with---45---.

[pgardn]

3+ years & the fucks are still stalling, searching for another (vote) like here with---45---.

Prediction:
They exit with no plan. There will be no other vote.

Their economy continues its downward spiral.
An example of why you don't put every single issue to a popular nationwide vote, especially one that is complex.
They have become a poorer nation just through a stance. And they will most likely see another drop. Then the realization of the stupidity of this sheared exit will sink in, and they stabilize at an even poorer level until they try to undo all the unintended economic consequences.

All of Europe took a step down.

Maybe some of the lesser members can become as poor as Russia.

[Thread]

Prediction:
They exit with no plan. There will be no other vote.

Their economy continues its downward spiral.
An example of why you don't put every single issue to a popular nationwide vote, especially one that is complex.
They have become a poorer nation just through a stance. And they will most likely see another drop. Then the realization of the stupidity of this sheared exit will sink in, and they stabilize at an even poorer level until they try to undo all the unintended economic consequences.

All of Europe took a step down.

Maybe some of the lesser members can become as poor as Russia.

Especially when it doesn't go the (right) way like November of '16.

The people in England spokePERIOD

The people here spokePERIOD

[FrostKing]

Prediction:
They exit with no plan. There will be no other vote.

Their economy continues its downward spiral.
An example of why you don't put every single issue to a popular nationwide vote, especially one that is complex.
They have become a poorer nation just through a stance. And they will most likely see another drop. Then the realization of the stupidity of this sheared exit will sink in, and they stabilize at an even poorer level until they try to undo all the unintended economic consequences.

All of Europe took a step down.

Maybe some of the lesser members can become as poor as Russia.
You think people voted for economic reasons?

It is all your summary is focusing on.

[pgardn]

You think people voted for economic reasons?

It is all your summary is focusing on.

You think they did not?

[pgardn]

Especially when it doesn't go the (right) way like November of '16.

The people in England spokePERIOD

The people here spokePERIOD

Sure they did.

And it was very close and now they will pay the price for their false sense of freedom.
You think the Leave People would tell them, "we may get whiter and free from some rules, but you will be poorer as well"
They leavers think they have it bad now...

And you still dont put every single issue to a vote. Especially issues that are complex, unless they are explained correctly to an educated public.
Im a bit fed up with people making issues seem easy. " Who knew Healthcare would be so difficult?" And then no plan? Good lord...No more orange slush.

[boutons_deux]

The people voting for Brexit are the same kind of people who voted for Trash

They're on the bottom of society, financially precarious with little freedom, thinking "democracy", "politics", "Capitalism" have failed them, so they nihilistically, with nothing to lose, want to blow everything up.

[FrostKing]

You think they did not?
Everyone understood 'Leave' would hurt the economy. It was the sacrifice

[pgardn]

Everyone understood 'Leave' would hurt the economy. It was the sacrifice

No they did not.
And they were told by most LEAVE leaders it would not.
And those that told the people it would hurt did not anticipate how long the hurt would drag out.
Worse is yet to come.

[Thread]

Sure they did.

And it was very close and now they will pay the price for their false sense of freedom.
You think the Leave People would tell them, "we may get whiter and free from some rules, but you will be poorer as well"
They leavers think they have it bad now...

And you still dont put every single issue to a vote. Especially issues that are complex, unless they are explained correctly to an educated public.
Im a bit fed up with people making issues seem easy. " Who knew Healthcare would be so difficult?" And then no plan? Good lord...No more orange slush.

You bitch when they shove it thru without reconciling it, then when the old man stipulates to difficulty before shoving it you bitch about that too.

The bottom line is that the people voted for Brexit & Trump. It doesn't matter why.

[pgardn]

You bitch when they shove it thru without reconciling it, then when the old man stipulates to difficulty before shoving it you bitch about that too.

The bottom line is that the people voted for Brexit & Trump. It doesn't matter why.

They did NOT vote for Brexit without a plan for exit.
They will get screwed.

And of course it matters why a candidate was voted for. Trump said he had a plan for Health Care. He lied, he had nothing.
When he goes down in 2020, one huge reason is lied about things he had no clue how to fix.

For you it’s a vengeance vote for 8 years of a black man. For others, it is not.
Are you hitting the sauce? I cannot entertain a crazy Thread. I gotta work and think tomorrow.

[Thread]

They did NOT vote for Brexit without a plan for exit.
They will get screwed.

And of course it matters why a candidate was voted for. Trump said he had a plan for Health Care. He lied, he had nothing.
When he goes down in 2020, one huge reason is lied about things he had no clue how to fix.

For you it’s a vengeance vote for 8 years of a black man. For others, it is not.
Are you hitting the sauce? I cannot entertain a crazy Thread. I gotta work and think tomorrow.

I don't drink, ever.

Get some sleep, peeg. You're jake with me.

[pgardn]

Get to know Boris Johnson

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/02/europes-view-on-boris-johnson

[Thread]

Get to know Boris Johnson

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/02/europes-view-on-boris-johnson

Media is working OT, both sides of the ocean to get him out before he's in. Tried the exact same tact with Trump...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[pgardn]

Media is working OT, both sides of the ocean to get him out before he's in. Tried the exact same tact with Trump...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

So you give me an article on Boris Johnson.

Neither of us know the man. Or know people who know the man.
I choose The Guardian fully realizing it leans left but is also a fantastic source for news and analysis (realizing it is left leaning)
You got better, please post it. We can’t live with Boris, so tell me what you believe and how you came to this belief.

[pgardn]

Addendum:

Boris might be subject to a vote that relieves him of his current status; the timeline is interesting.
What will Thread read if he wants a closer examination of my statement above?

[boutons_deux]

UK still investigating illegal RUSSIAN financing of BREXIT campaign,

but since the Thalidomide legalities took decades sub judice gagged, not optimistic the investigation will end by 31-10.

The Nigel Farage BREXIT campaign was rotten with lies, and he admitted it. And BoJo ran with the same BREXIT lies.

Pootin is laughing his ass off, as his neighboring economic/political union is in crisis.

[Thread]

So you give me an article on Boris Johnson.

Neither of us know the man. Or know people who know the man.
I choose The Guardian fully realizing it leans left but is also a fantastic source for news and analysis (realizing it is left leaning)
You got better, please post it. We can’t live with Boris, so tell me what you believe and how you came to this belief.

True, but, I know (Media) wherever it dwells.
& they do not want Brexit for money, marbles nor chalk & will do anything to retard it's implementation as long as possible in the fervent hope that there will be second vote.
& they want to thwart Trump for making President. Trump likes Boris. Trump wants Boris. Hence, Media loathes Boris.

[Thread]

UK still investigating illegal RUSSIAN financing of BREXIT campaign,

but since the Thalidomide legalities took decades sub judice gagged, not optimistic the investigation will end by 31-10.

The Nigel Farage BREXIT campaign was rotten with lies, and he admitted it. And BoJo ran with the same BREXIT lies.

Pootin is laughing his ass off, as his neighboring economic/political union is in crisis.

I'll just bet they are.

[pgardn]

True, but, I know (Media) wherever it dwells.
& they do not want Brexit for money, marbles nor chalk & will do anything to retard it's implementation as long as possible in the fervent hope that there will be second vote.
& they want to thwart Trump for making President. Trump likes Boris. Trump wants Boris. Hence, Media loathes Boris.

How do you know media loathes him?
Media also loathes Charles Manson?

Is it because they say bad things about him ?

I need to know where you get your information you can’t just make stuff up in your head

[Thread]

How do you know media loathes him?
Media also loathes Charles Manson?

Is it because they say bad things about him ?

I need to know where you get your information you can’t just make stuff up in your head

Because Media has camped out in Boris' shit since he made Prime Minister.

I know, but, Media uses Manson to make a dollar & a cent. They're crafty with him.

I don't make shit up, peeg. I watch. I read. I see. Boris was off the screen till he got in there, then, THEN Media reacted. Then we finally found out how their Prime Minister is "elected." In all the years I've been cognizant I never knew that protocol existed. I figured, took it for granted it was like ours. You vote, they tally, whoever gets the most votes wins. Nope. Not in the UK. See how Media kept that under wraps till it served their purpose to (out it)?

Media is like the vast lion's share of Americans,,,no big mystery...Media wants THEIR way just like every other American in the line. When (they/we) don't get our way we take an awful fit & show our ass in broad daylight. Did (we) do that when Hussein got elected? Did we show our ass? Did we threaten Impeachment. Did we? I'm glad you asked you that...

tee, hee.

[boutons_deux]

'Something resembling hell': how does the rest of the world view the UK?

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&view=btop&ver=1mqabpd1bb0qt#attid%253Datt_16c5f165f2960521_0 .1_5e8c5396_8267ac77_7af3d59f_06f256f8_1c141f44%25 252Fimage.pnghttps://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/62bcba6bdd38141aa055c8b2cc0bacee81b2cceb/0_18_2536_1521/master/2536.jpg?width=1140&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/62bcba6bdd38141aa055c8b2cc0bacee81b2cceb/0_18_2536_1521/master/2536.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/62bcba6bdd38141aa055c8b2cc0bacee81b2cceb/0_18_2536_1521/master/2536.jpg?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r3260892065863894520&th=16c5f165f2960521&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ-Fz43NCiiFIKMnC-JdnynWjRzvg_UkTpKuO0VFIj59q217nX-aC1nzl-U4FI2cl4HPaEW5WZH2K8HWJM5SFKCQloE8uRy0o7QYeSPULfZO VPHdNDiJ7HoqlAg&disp=emb&realattid=ii_jyxmsk1f0
China: ‘The Brexit farce has encouraged the nationalists in China, especially the young generation’

France: ‘Once, we used to hold up British parliamentary life as the Rolls-Royce of liberal democracy’

Germany: ‘Johnson is seen as treating Europe as a big joke. Quoting witty lines in Latin won’t change that

’Japan: ‘The Japanese have always seen Britain as a gentle, stable country, but that has changed’

India: ‘If Britain wants a deal with India, it will have to relax immigration. This is non-negotiable’

South Africa: ‘There’s a gleefulness in watching the British realise the ineptitude of their own politicians’

Russia: ‘Our leaders see Boris Johnson as temporary – a clown. They’ll wait for the new leader’

The United States: ‘Trump’s US doesn’t look as desperate for friends as the UK does in its split from the EU’

Brazil: ‘The UK appears fixated on its own problems – it is losing relevance quite quickly’

(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson)https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson

[Thread]

'Something resembling hell': how does the rest of the world view the UK?

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&view=btop&ver=1mqabpd1bb0qt#attid%253Datt_16c5f165f2960521_0 .1_5e8c5396_8267ac77_7af3d59f_06f256f8_1c141f44%25 252Fimage.pnghttps://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/62bcba6bdd38141aa055c8b2cc0bacee81b2cceb/0_18_2536_1521/master/2536.jpg?width=1140&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/62bcba6bdd38141aa055c8b2cc0bacee81b2cceb/0_18_2536_1521/master/2536.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/62bcba6bdd38141aa055c8b2cc0bacee81b2cceb/0_18_2536_1521/master/2536.jpg?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&

China: ‘The Brexit farce has encouraged the nationalists in China, especially the young generation’

France: ‘Once, we used to hold up British parliamentary life as the Rolls-Royce of liberal democracy’

Germany: ‘Johnson is seen as treating Europe as a big joke. Quoting witty lines in Latin won’t change that

’Japan: ‘The Japanese have always seen Britain as a gentle, stable country, but that has changed’

India: ‘If Britain wants a deal with India, it will have to relax immigration. This is non-negotiable’

South Africa: ‘There’s a gleefulness in watching the British realise the ineptitude of their own politicians’

Russia: ‘Our leaders see Boris Johnson as temporary – a clown. They’ll wait for the new leader’

The United States: ‘Trump’s US doesn’t look as desperate for friends as the UK does in its split from the EU’

Brazil: ‘The UK appears fixated on its own problems – it is losing relevance quite quickly’

(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson)https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson


Boiled down:::

They want another vote.

[pgardn]

Because Media has camped out in Boris' shit since he made Prime Minister.

I know, but, Media uses Manson to make a dollar & a cent. They're crafty with him.

I don't make shit up, peeg. I watch. I read. I see. Boris was off the screen till he got in there, then, THEN Media reacted. Then we finally found out how their Prime Minister is "elected." In all the years I've been cognizant I never knew that protocol existed. I figured, took it for granted it was like ours. You vote, they tally, whoever gets the most votes wins. Nope. Not in the UK. See how Media kept that under wraps till it served their purpose to (out it)?

Media is like the vast lion's share of Americans,,,no big mystery...Media wants THEIR way just like every other American in the line. When (they/we) don't get our way we take an awful fit & show our ass in broad daylight. Did (we) do that when Hussein got elected? Did we show our ass? Did we threaten Impeachment. Did we? I'm glad you asked you that...

tee, hee.

He was in the slinky slime Sun-like media.

And he was very good and making shit up.
When he got into politics he was immediately found out, especially as mayor of London.
Long before the position he holds now.

You do make shit up, you cant be there.
Give me your articles on Boris Johnson.

And then tell me what media is worthless and worthwhile.
Because you and I cannot be there. We have to have sources.
Go.

[pgardn]

Boiled down:::

They want another vote.

They will not get another vote and they go down without a plan imo.
But it may be close. Boris is on the cusp of losing the majority he loosely put together.
They have and will suffer. For no good reason but fear. Fear of something new.

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He was in the slinky slime Sun-like media.

And he was very good and making shit up.
When he got into politics he was immediately found out, especially as mayor of London.
Long before the position he holds now.

You do make shit up, you cant be there.
Give me your articles on Boris Johnson.

And then tell me what media is worthless and worthwhile.
Because you and I cannot be there. We have to have sources.
Go.

I don't so sources, peeg, it's my religion.

[pgardn]

I don't so sources, peeg, it's my religion.

So I show you mine and you gleefully say its that damn media.
Then I ask to see your information and...

So thats how it is?

[Thread]

So I show you mine and you gleefully say its that damn media.
Then I ask to see your information and...

So thats how it is?

Your's ain't worth a tinker's dam, peeg. Just because somebody writes something on an Internet page, or, in a book doesn't make it so.

[pgardn]

Your's ain't worth a tinker's dam, peeg. Just because somebody writes something on an Internet page, or, in a book doesn't make it so.

Of course it does not.

So you are saying that you have interviewed Boris and the people that know him.
And then you ask me NOT to believe people that really have.

How do you know anything?
Are you Plato, you just sit there and think, worried that observation and the written work will skew your natural insight into Boris Johnson?
Have you ever asked for directions? And were told California was part of Antarctica?
YOu must get your information from somewhere, you cant teletransport to Boris and then interview him and give me your questions and his answers.

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Of course it does not.

So you are saying that you have interviewed Boris and the people that know him.
And then you ask me NOT to believe people that really have.

How do you know anything?
Are you Plato, you just sit there and think, worried that observation and the written work will skew your natural insight into Boris Johnson?
Have you ever asked for directions? And were told California was part of Antarctica?
YOu must get your information from somewhere, you cant teletransport to Boris and then interview him and give me your questions and his answers.

I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm telling you what I believe is going on with this situation. I can see, peeg. Media on both sides of the Atlantic don't want Boris. Part of it is the loss of May like she went down. That's a slap in the face. Then to replace Her with Him is another violation. Then He is linked with the old man, that's another mark against him. Then Boris is pro Brexit, (Media) does not want that whatsoever.

That's how I process information...I don't read in-depth. It's not necessary in this day & age. It's all right there in broad daylight.

[pgardn]

I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm telling you what I believe is going on with this situation. I can see, peeg. Media on both sides of the Atlantic don't want Boris. Part of it is the loss of May like she went down. That's a slap in the face. Then to replace Her with Him is another violation. Then He is linked with the old man, that's another mark against him. Then Boris is pro Brexit, (Media) does not want that whatsoever.

That's how I process information...I don't read in-depth. It's not necessary in this day & age. It's all right there in broad daylight.

oh dear...

That is a giant paint brush you wield casually.

You might be in the dark ages for sometime to come.
Did you know that we have discovered planets outside of our own solar system?
And they are not in broad daylight.

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oh dear...

That is a giant paint brush you wield casually.

You might be in the dark ages for sometime to come.
Did you know that we have discovered planets outside of our own solar system?
And they are not in broad daylight.

I don't care if we have. That is a distraction forced by science, powered by Media to square out a perpetual stipend from the Gov't.

[pgardn]

I don't care if we have. That is a distraction forced by science, powered by Media to square out a perpetual stipend from the Gov't.

uhh....

Its called the human proclivity for asking questions and trying to find answers.
Its unique to our species. Its what makes us what we are. It clearly separates us from other animals.

You are not a reptile.

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uhh....

Its called the human proclivity for asking questions and trying to find answers.
Its unique to our species. Its what makes us what we are. It clearly separates us from other animals.

You are not a reptile.

Fine. Do it on (your) dime. Don't stick your hand in my pocket for your gratification.

[pgardn]

Fine. Do it on (your) dime. Don't stick your hand in my pocket for your gratification.

Your grandchildren will benefit from it.
Its not my gratification it is what it is.
We are curious animals.
Not to worry, there is a great deal of privatization going on.
Im glad you understand part of the reason you are able to post here is because we understand how stuff works.

And there is a hell of a lot more waste gratifying other human needs.
The list is too large, but I think you probably realize it.

Side note: I am against the telescope in Hawaii. Read about it and you might understand why. Its another interesting human interaction/knowledge topic.
And there is no reason to lie about it, its real. Hawaii exists, the volcano exists, and some folks really do want to put a very advanced telescope on it.
Its in the media. I believe it to be true.

[boutons_deux]

Leaked Brexit Document Depicts Government Fears Of

Gridlock,

Food Shortages,

Unrest

Britain would face gridlock at ports; shortages of medicine, fuel and food; and a hard border with Ireland if it left the European Union with no deal

Trucks could be dealt 2 1/2-day delays at ports,

with significant disruption lasting up to three months,

which would affect fuel supplies in London and the southeast of England,

Medical supplies will also be vulnerable to "severe extended delays," since about three-quarters of the U.K.'s medicine comes across the English Channel.

anticipates the return of a hard border with Ireland, which could spark protests and roadblocks.

the closure of two oil refineries after import tariffs are eliminated, causing an expected loss of 2,000 jobs, worker unrest and disruptions to fuel supplies.

this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal.

These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios — not the worst case."

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/18/752173091/leaked-brexit-document-depicts-government-fears-of-gridlock-food-shortages-unres (https://www.npr.org/2019/08/18/752173091/leaked-brexit-document-depicts-government-fears-of-gridlock-food-shortages-unres)

[Thread]

Leaked Brexit Document Depicts Government Fears Of

Gridlock,

Food Shortages,

Unrest

Britain would face gridlock at ports; shortages of medicine, fuel and food; and a hard border with Ireland if it left the European Union with no deal

Trucks could be dealt 2 1/2-day delays at ports,

with significant disruption lasting up to three months,

which would affect fuel supplies in London and the southeast of England,

Medical supplies will also be vulnerable to "severe extended delays," since about three-quarters of the U.K.'s medicine comes across the English Channel.

anticipates the return of a hard border with Ireland, which could spark protests and roadblocks.

the closure of two oil refineries after import tariffs are eliminated, causing an expected loss of 2,000 jobs, worker unrest and disruptions to fuel supplies.

this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal.

These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios — not the worst case."

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/18/752173091/leaked-brexit-document-depicts-government-fears-of-gridlock-food-shortages-unres (https://www.npr.org/2019/08/18/752173091/leaked-brexit-document-depicts-government-fears-of-gridlock-food-shortages-unres)



3+ fuckin' years & still huntin' for another vote.

Big shots.

[RandomGuy]

They will not get another vote and they go down without a plan imo.
But it may be close. Boris is on the cusp of losing the majority he loosely put together.
They have and will suffer. For no good reason but fear. Fear of something new.

Hard to say. I think a lot of people are ready to let him be the one to eat the shit sandwich he made. It would be fitting.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1163791410505670656?s=20

Porton

[Winehole23]

Propaganda Chris, RTs, pom-poms and lame trolling is his whole game.

[Chris]

^ pure projection

[Winehole23]

^^^ more lameness, right on cue

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1163791410505670656?s=20

GD rights!

[boutons_deux]

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/10ac304f8449445facbaef294575b168/1000.jpeg

[Winehole23]

GD rights!Epic national self-wounding.

Pretty soon the UK will just be England.

[Thread]

Epic national self-wounding.

Pretty soon the UK will just be England.

...their finest moment.

[Winehole23]

...their finest moment.You got no skin in the game.

it’s gonna hurt England bad.

[Thread]

You got no skin in the game.

it’s gonna hurt England bad.

That's the rumor. Prove it.

[Winehole23]

That's the rumor. Prove it.The proof is not in the pudding but in the eating. We’ll see if BoJo and the Tories are crazy enough to leave the EU and hasten the decline of the UK.

[Winehole23]

That's the rumor. Prove it.There’s a UK treasury paper all about what can be expected with a no deal Brexit. Not pretty.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/no-deal-brexit-planning-assumptions-the-leaked-operation-yellowhammer-document-797qxkrcm (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/no-deal-brexit-planning-assumptions-the-leaked-operation-yellowhammer-document-797qxkrcm?wgu=270525_54264_15666605092191_3fc46bd4 1a&wgexpiry=1574436509&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278)

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There’s a UK treasury paper all about what can be expected with a no deal Brexit. Not pretty.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/no-deal-brexit-planning-assumptions-the-leaked-operation-yellowhammer-document-797qxkrcm (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/no-deal-brexit-planning-assumptions-the-leaked-operation-yellowhammer-document-797qxkrcm?wgu=270525_54264_15666605092191_3fc46bd4 1a&wgexpiry=1574436509&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278)

It's scare tactics to prompt & force another vote. And for the sake of argument say they have another vote & it's in favor of staying. They'll be a best 2 out of 3 votes to decide? Uh, uh. Not on your life. They'll be nary other votePERIOD

& that rejection of the supposed 3rd vote will be where the (stayers) & Media exact their pound of flesh & vengeance. They'll crow & preen like bandy roosters. Throw it right in their faces to make damn sure another outsider never tries to make President ever again...I mean make damn sure another effort to leave the EU never takes place again as long as man dwells on earth.

[Winehole23]

Lol scare tactics by Tory treasury officials.

[boutons_deux]

9 weeks as Macron told Bobo is not enough diplomatic time to redo the done deal.

Pootin is drooling over the mess his operatives have sowed in Europe, maybe even some good 'ol '70s style RI / NI sectarian/criminal violence.

[boutons_deux]

bojo has always said confidently he would do something by 31 Oct, this weekend he's saying "touch n go", probably after talking face to face with G7 Euros who said "we have a deal and won't change"

[boutons_deux]

Nearly 100 companies move to Netherlands ahead of Brexit - Dutch agency

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands/nearly-100-companies-move-to-netherlands-ahead-of-brexit-dutch-agency-idUSKCN1VG0GH (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands/nearly-100-companies-move-to-netherlands-ahead-of-brexit-dutch-agency-idUSKCN1VG0GH)

[Winehole23]

Rebel Tory Minister Phillip Lee crosses the floor.


Rebel Tory MP Phillip Lee (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/phillip-lee) has dramatically defected to the Liberal Democrats (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/liberal-democrats) – depriving Boris Johnson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/BorisJohnson) of his Commons majority.

The pro-EU former minister walked across the Commons chamber, to sit with Jo Swinson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jo-swinson)’s party, meaning the prime minister now leads a minority government – the first since 1996.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-lee-tory-lib-dem-defection-boris-johnson-majority-brexit-commons-a9090356.html

[Winehole23]

1168903341189009410

[boutons_deux]

And Pootin laughs his ass off

at how "democracy" is fucking itself up

with assists from Pootin and his mafiya,

while authoritarian/dictator regimes are on the rise.

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And Pootin laughs his ass off

at how "democracy" is fucking itself up

with assists from Pootin and his mafiya,

while authoritarian/dictator regimes are on the rise.




& he has every right to LHAO...England will not Brexit...will not abide the vote of the people. They're stalling, patiently waiting another vote.
& he has every right to LHAO...USA will not recognize the old man...will not abide the vote of the people. They're stalling, patiently waiting another vote.

Christ-a-mighty, hole, bouts,,,we threw (democracy) into Poot's & his predecessors faces for decades, proud & good we were. Now? Well, now, it's Poot's turn to LHAO. Laugh, Poot, laugh, we deserve everything we get.

[Winehole23]

Rees-Moog looks to be enjoying a bench with some extra room on it.

fwiw, the British (https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today)Pound (https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today) rallied mildly on the news.



1168991002658578433

[Winehole23]

On Tuesday night, 21 members of the party disregarded the threats and voted to take away Johnson’s control over Brexit. The so-called “rebel alliance” will use that control to hold a new vote on Wednesday that would force Johnson to seek a further Brexit extension from the European Union.

The lawmakers who risked their own careers and were thus willing to be expelled from the Conservative Party in order to facedown their party leader included a former chancellor of the exchequer, a former attorney general and Ken Clarke, a veteran of Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, who now holds the unofficial position of Father of the House, as the longest serving member of the Commons.https://www.thedailybeast.com/boris-johnson-humiliated-by-parliament-in-first-brexit-vote

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/boris-johnson-humiliated-by-parliament-in-first-brexit-vote

They want that re-vote, hole, damn democracy!

Poots watchin'!!!

[koriwhat]

poor brits getting buttfucked for eternity by their own scum

[pgardn]

They want that re-vote, hole, damn democracy!

Poots watchin'!!!

Boris must want a revote.
He is playing with fire and attempting to scald his face along with his party and country.

[Thread]

Boris must want a revote.
He is playing with fire and attempting to scald his face along with his party and country.

Poot bet he'd always have the last laugh. & dummy me, I didn't think he stood a snowball's chance in hell.

I was mistaken.

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDlb5ceXsAAjHnr?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDmnG6KW4AAc8Xm?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDkt8U_XsAI6Gkf?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDkp_ROXYAI7Juv?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

They want that re-vote, hole, damn democracy!

Poots watchin'!!!Boris tried to sideline representative democracy in the UK. He failed and lost his majority in his first vote.

[Thread]

Boris tried to sideline representative democracy in the UK. He failed and lost his majority in his first vote.

Poot is watchin' it all on each side of the ocean, hole. Havin' the time of his life.

---"We" elect Trump & have done nothing but try to lie & cheat him out of it, which he in turn has lies & cheats to hold on to it. If he doesn't lie & cheat he'd be back in the city by now, earning 20%. (They) figured "we can lie & cheat him out of it & he won't lie & cheat to keep it, he'll just lament the unfairness of it & cry, real tears while we break his ass." Uh, uh.

---"They" vote to Brexit over 3 years ago...and they still ain't exited. & never will. But, one good thing, it took this Brexit materiel to show us/world just how UK "votes." CNN/Media had no intention of ever telling us. Uh, uh.

(We) have the fuckin', the absolute gall to lecture anybody on democracy. Neither of us could find it to save our lives.

Poot called the ball.

[Winehole23]

Boris lost two more votes today. No Brexit without a deal with the EU, and no snap elections.

[pgardn]

Poot is watchin' it all on each side of the ocean, hole. Havin' the time of his life.

---"We" elect Trump & have done nothing but try to lie & cheat him out of it, which he in turn has lies & cheats to hold on to it. If he doesn't lie & cheat he'd be back in the city by now, earning 20%. (They) figured "we can lie & cheat him out of it & he won't lie & cheat to keep it, he'll just lament the unfairness of it & cry, real tears while we break his ass." Uh, uh.

---"They" vote to Brexit over 3 years ago...and they still ain't exited. & never will. But, one good thing, it took this Brexit materiel to show us/world just how UK "votes." CNN/Media had no intention of ever telling us. Uh, uh.

(We) have the fuckin', the absolute gall to lecture anybody on democracy. Neither of us could find it to save our lives.

Poot called the ball.

The guy who kills his competition.
The guy with a country with more mineral wealth and arable soil than any on Earth and they still have to import wheat and minerals.
The perfect example of how to ruin a country and its people. He can take it because he gets his caviar, but the vast majority of his people dont.

And you like this.
If you lived there you would drink aftershave for a nightcap.

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The guy who kills his competition.
The guy with a country with more mineral wealth and arable soil than any on Earth and they still have to import wheat and minerals.
The perfect example of how to ruin a country and its people. He can take it because he gets his caviar, but the vast majority of his people dont.

And you like this.
If you lived there you would drink aftershave for a nightcap.

& we accuse fellow Americans of killing our competition. Made a bundle accusing everybody from A-Z. It's a regular industry. But, that don't count, right, peeg?

Or, I could just jockey down to the McDonald's, like I don't do here.

[Thread]

Boris lost two more votes today. No Brexit without a deal with the EU, and no snap elections.

Sooner, or, later they'll get that re-votePERIOD

[pgardn]

& we accuse fellow Americans of killing our competition. Made a bundle accusing everybody from A-Z. It's a regular industry. But, that don't count, right, peeg?

Or, I could just jockey down to the McDonald's, like I don't do here.

So Obama tried to have Trump physically executed...?

Dont even compare the two. When there is no vodka for the alcoholic he can only find methanol.
You can also grow vegetables in your backyard without a permit. You are not cheering on Chris here.
Dont make these awful analogies and comparisons. You are better than that.

[Thread]

So Obama tried to have Trump physically executed...?

Dont even compare the two. When there is no vodka for the alcoholic he can only find methanol.
You can also grow vegetables in your backyard without a permit. You are not cheering on Chris here.
Dont make these awful analogies and comparisons. You are better than that.

Dude, the Goodwill is full of volumes accusing Americans of killing & plotting to kill American office holders. Goodwill got those volumes after retail outlets sold them over the counter.

No, Hussein didn't attempt that. But, Hussein attempted to take his Presidency from him. He failed & the old man punishes Hussein on a twice weekly basis. Taking his vengeance for Hussein's brazen act, his complicity in the coup attempt, the failed conspiracy to overthrow the President of the United States.

Yes, that ain't goin' away now that it failed. You'd like that, but, uh, uh. The lights stay on, peegPERIOD

[Winehole23]

Sooner, or, later they'll get that re-votePERIODFour years ago Brexit meant a Norway style EU harmonized single market; in 2019 it means total break from the EU. It's not at all clear that the UK knew that was what a leave vote meant in 2015.

Stopping the Brexit process and asking the public, knowing what it knows now about the probable costs, still wants to proceed, would be legit.

What started with a plebiscite can end with a plebiscite.

If not, why not?

[pgardn]

Dude, the Goodwill is full of volumes accusing Americans of killing & plotting to kill American office holders. Goodwill got those volumes after retail outlets sold them over the counter.

No, Hussein didn't attempt that. But, Hussein attempted to take his Presidency from him. He failed & the old man punishes Hussein on a twice weekly basis. Taking his vengeance for Hussein's brazen act, his complicity in the coup attempt, the failed conspiracy to overthrow the President of the United States.

Yes, that ain't goin' away now that it failed. You'd like that, but, uh, uh. The lights stay on, peegPERIOD

Yeah.

You Read this and ate it up.

[Winehole23]

If a bad law be passed, another law can be passed to void its effect; if a bad man be elected to office and stands for reelection, the people can change their mind, toss him out on his ear.

Why not here Thread?

[Thread]

Yeah.

You Read this and ate it up.

Don't give me that crap, peeg. You read your shit too after you've laid it down. tee, hee.

[Thread]

If a bad law be passed, another law can be passed to void its effect; if a bad man be elected to office and stands for reelection, the people can change their mind, toss him out on his ear.

Why not here Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320)?

How the fuck would you know, hole? You met him at the door all a flutterin', gigglin' to beat the band with that Steele report...Clapper:::"Uh,,,uh, sir,uh, Mr. President, I'm embarrassed to say this to you, but, they're accusing you of enjoying being pissed on by Russian women, uh, uh, sir."

The rest of those Intelligence fucks sittin' there skinnin & grinnin', CNN waiting in the vestibule for the goods.

You're answering for that in ways that you won't believe even as they take place.

[pgardn]

Don't give me that crap, peeg. You read your shit too after you've laid it down. tee, hee.

Of course I read because I can’t be everywhere and experience everything.
You can’t either. You don’t have those powers. And if I believe what you don’t then I have read a bad opinion.
Simple for you.

Good night sir.

[Thread]

Four years ago Brexit meant a Norway style EU harmonized single market; in 2019 it means total break from the EU. It's not at all clear that the UK knew that was what a leave vote meant in 2015.

Stopping the Brexit process and asking the public, knowing what it knows now about the probable costs, still wants to proceed, would be legit.

What started with a plebiscite can end with a plebiscite.

If not, why not?

Because they voted to BrexitPERIOD

Brexit, then start up another campaign to vote reengagement with the EU.

Just because you almost got away with another vote here before he got his 4 years doesn't mean it's right. Use your head, man!

[Thread]

Of course I read because I can’t be everywhere and experience everything.
You can’t either. You don’t have those powers. And if I believe what you don’t then I have read a bad opinion.
Simple for you.

Good night sir.

Good night, peeg.

[Winehole23]

Because they voted to BrexitPERIOD

Brexit, then start up another campaign to vote reengagement with the EU.

Just because you almost got away with another vote here before he got his 4 years doesn't mean it's right. Use your head, man!David Cameron put on the plebiscite, there's nothing in principle to prevent another one being called.

Might be urged the vote closer in time better represents the will of the people.

[boutons_deux]

As usual, a handful of wealthy, powerful, unelected, unrepresentative MEN (aka oligarchy)
spending to manage a country for their enrichment

Brexit campaign was largely funded by five of UK's richest businessmen







https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-campaign-arron-banks-jeremy-hosking-five-uk-richest-businessmen-peter-hargreaves-a7699046.html


Both Bobo and Farage pushed huge LIES about stay and leave

[Thread]

As usual, a handful of wealthy, powerful, unelected, unrepresentative MEN (aka oligarchy)
spending to manage a country for their enrichment

Brexit campaign was largely funded by five of UK's richest businessmen







https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-campaign-arron-banks-jeremy-hosking-five-uk-richest-businessmen-peter-hargreaves-a7699046.html


Both Bobo and Farage pushed huge LIES about stay and leave



But, they don't have a raw vote for PM like we have for President. & even we don't abide that raw vote. We try to overthrow our President when it's not the right vote.

But, England ain't no better. The people DID vote to Brexit...over 3 years ago & they still ain't Brexit.

& we both, the U.S. & England held up our shit to mock Poot/Russia. "Who's the wild man now!"

Go on, Poot, laugh.

[DMX7]

As usual, a handful of wealthy, powerful, unelected, unrepresentative MEN (aka oligarchy)
spending to manage a country for their enrichment

Brexit campaign was largely funded by five of UK's richest businessmen







https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-campaign-arron-banks-jeremy-hosking-five-uk-richest-businessmen-peter-hargreaves-a7699046.html


Both Bobo and Farage pushed huge LIES about stay and leave


Is the EU faultless on this whole thing?

I think there was misinformation on both sides of the debate in the UK. And you can say what you want about who funded it but the government mostly supported "remain" and yet the actual voted to leave.

[boutons_deux]

The trade frictions (barriers and borders, and not only between Ireland Republic and North) are pointless, wasteful frictions, attacks on free trade, and of course free movement of people.

Farage and bojo exploited the UK racists and told lots of lies, just like Trash did.

And just like Trash, did Farage and Bojo counted the ignorance 10Ms of Brits, while hiding the downsides of Leave.

Like Trash's supporters, Leave supporters will be abandoned, benefit almost not at all, and any benefits of Leaving will almost entirely accrue to the oligarchy, as always.

[Thread]

Is the EU faultless on this whole thing?

I think there was misinformation on both sides of the debate in the UK. And you can say what you want about who funded it but the government mostly supported "remain" and yet the actual voted to leave.

...& actually have not Brexited 3+ year later. (They) know precisely what are they doing---just like our (They) knew precisely what they were doing when they attempted to overthrow the Trump Presidency. Sure, they failed. Sure, they got their ass handed to 'em for close order inspection by (45), but, a failed coup attempt must & will be dealt with lawfully & personally.

[pgardn]

Again boots, both parties had an interest in leave, which is why this is so difficult.

As of today, Corbyn, the leader of Labour, has rejected another vote or any talk of staying. He is working on another plan for leave. Which is a whole lot better for GB than leave with no plan like Boris was heading towards.

[boutons_deux]

The name of that solid gold toilet stolen from Blenheim Palace, birthplace of Winnie Churchill?

"America" :lol

[Winehole23]

BoJo to be outed by the GLA in four days?


The committee is investigating allegations that Ms Arcuri, a technology entrepreneur, was given more than £100,000 of public money during Mr Johnson’s time as London mayor, as well as being invited on overseas trade missions that staff had deemed her unqualified for. Mr Johnson has refused to respond to claims about an affair between the pair, but has insisted that “everything was done with complete propriety”.

The GLA has the power to investigate anyone who has been Mayor of London (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/mayor-of-london) within the last eight years.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-relationship-inquiry-response-greater-london-assembly-a9151261.html

[ElNono]

Boris Johnson right now... :lol

https://i.imgur.com/QgJUL.gif

[pgardn]

This is really becoming quite tedious.

UK will leave the EU imo but the terms are just not clear.

Visit, the dollar goes a long way.

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump, the US Private Health Giant, and Top NHS Officials—Special Relationships?

US private healthcare firm Optum has been ‘planting seeds’ in the English NHS for a decade, new research exposes.

https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/views-article/trump_healthcare_execs.max-760x504.png?itok=txoFKexW


In the UK, we have a simple take on

the US healthcare system as a for-profit, private system that fleeces its customers and fails the poor.
But here’s the secret: the US has its own ‘mini NHS’.

Smaller than the UK’s system, but still a government funded, (mostly) publicly-run

system that serves people according to their need. It’s called the Veterans Health Administration (VHA).

And Donald Trump wants to privatise it.
What’s more, to set the reforms in motion,

the firm that’s been appointed (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/01/09/va-awards-contracts-worth-55-billion-private-sector-care.html)to create and expand new private networks within the Veterans health system (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/us/politics/veterans-health-care-trump.html) is Optum, the profitable ‘healthcare services’ arm of America’s biggest private health insurer, UnitedHealth Group (https://www.statista.com/statistics/828436/largest-health-insurance-companies-in-us-by-membership/).

Optum and UnitedHealth are familiar names to anyone who has been following

the silent takeover of the NHS by private healthcare firms in recent years,

though aspects of their involvement are fully exposed here for the first time.

Health privatisation, US-style—sounds familiar?

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/12/05/donald-trump-us-private-health-giant-and-top-nhs-officials-special-relationships?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/12/05/donald-trump-us-private-health-giant-and-top-nhs-officials-special-relationships?cd-origin=rss)

Predatory, extractive Capitalism

[Winehole23]

Brexit may already have cost the UK more than the sum of its payments to the EU/EEC over 47 years.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1

[boutons_deux]

Brexit may already have cost the UK more than the sum of its payments to the EU/EEC over 47 years.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1

and the Farage/BoJo/lie, postered on the sides of big ass buses, was that EU costs UK 100K pounds / week.

Pootin racist stooge Farage admitted it was all a lie.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1223327483690389505?s=19

[Winehole23]

BoJo's epic, own-goaling Brexit: a humorous Twitter thread

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[Winehole23]

no deal flameout in progress

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[Winehole23]

From 1 January, Northern Ireland will stay in the EU single market for goods but the rest of the UK will leave.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54984158

[Winehole23]

Belgium, France and the Netherlands have asked the European Commission to step up its contingency planning (https://www.politico.eu/?p=1440861) for a no-deal Brexit, Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo told reporters.


According to De Croo, EU leaders were given a brief state of play of the Brexit negotiations during their video summit on Thursday. The Brexit talks were suspended (https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-talks-suspended-briefly-as-eu-official-tests-positive/) at the chief negotiator level earlier in the day after an EU negotiator tested positive for coronavirus.


"We can't keep hoping for a good outcome," De Croo told reporters. "There might be one, but hoping alone is not enough. We have to start our contingency planning. [French President Emmanuel] Macron and [Dutch PM Mark] Rutte have made similar statements."
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-want-commission-to-step-up-no-deal-brexit-preparations/

[Winehole23]

what to panic buy in the UK


The U.K. imports 40% of its food and 30 (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply)% of that comes from Europe (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply) (up from 25% two decades ago). Government documents leaked to Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/uk-faces-potential-consumer-panic-and-security-gaps-under-no-deal-brexit-says-government-document-11775217) suggest that the first two weeks could be the most problematic.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2020/11/17/panic-buying-and-shortages-of-chocolate-cake-a-no-deal-brexit-could-be-worse-than-march/?sh=445158595e88

[Winehole23]

The UK is becoming "little England" with a swiftness. This EU decision is the point of an economic spear.


The City of London’s unfettered access to the European Union, its biggest customer, ends when the Brexit transition arrangements expire, and Brussels wants trading in euro-denominated derivatives to remain within its jurisdiction or in a country with “equivalent” standards to the bloc.

The Paris-based European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) on Wednesday confirmed that from Jan. 1 EU investors would have to use a swaps platform inside the bloc, or based in a non-EU country such as the United States that has already been granted “equivalence” or permission.

This means that branches of EU banks in London will face conflicting EU and British requirements on where to trade derivatives.
The City of London touts itself as the go-to location globally for trading derivatives - the life blood of financial markets, allowing investors to bet on a swathe of assets and hedge risk.

“The decision is a starting gun for a fight between the UK and the EU for the location of international derivatives trading in Europe,” said Michael McKee, a financial services lawyer at DLA Piper law firm, adding that France and Germany hoped to pick up the spoils.https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-derivatives-idUKKBN2850SR

[Winehole23]

The New York-London air corridor may switch to another European capitol under Biden. Huge L for the UK if that happens.


London (https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/london) aviation chiefs are in a race against time to secure an air corridor to New York (https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/new-york) amid growing fears that the incoming Biden team will favour Dublin (https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/dublin).

Hopes that negotiations with the Trump (https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/trump) administration will lead to the reopening of travel (https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/travel) between Heathrow and JFK — the so-called Project Nylon — before the presidential handover on January 20 are rapidly fading, according to aviation sources.

New York to London is the busiest intercontinental route with huge importance for the financial services sector of the City and other service industries based in the capital.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/joe-biden-scrap-new-york-london-air-bridge-dublin-b79220.html

[Winehole23]

Northen Ireland border issues not sorted.

Prediction: Ireland will be unified and Scotland will be independent within 10 years. Maybe Wales too.


This Bill makes it very clear – if it wasn’t before – that although Northern Ireland is officially in the UK’s customs territory, Union customs legislation will have an effect in the region. Furthermore, customs legislation ‘can apply in relation to the movement of goods, people, and vehicles’ across the Irish Sea. This means, in principle, that EU tariffs could be collected on goods moving from Britain into Northern Ireland.https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/12/10/48-hours-of-brextensity-northern-ireland-is-not-sorted/

[Winehole23]

BoJo is a walking bollocks

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[DMX7]

Northen Ireland border issues not sorted.

Prediction: Ireland will be unified and Scotland will be independent within 10 years. Maybe Wales too.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/12/10/48-hours-of-brextensity-northern-ireland-is-not-sorted/

Didn’t NI vote to leave the EU? And wouldn’t Scotland then have to worry about a hard border with England if it became independent?

[Winehole23]

Didn’t NI vote to leave the EU? And wouldn’t Scotland then have to worry about a hard border with England if it became independent?It's been long time since the referendum and the Tories have been screwing Brexit up royally. It's a terrible deal for the UK in a thousand dimensions.

The UK faces food and medicine insecurity, more unfavorable trade terms with the whole world, more difficulty traveling to/from the UK (e.g., because of licensing issues, the US might decide to designate Dublin the European hub for air travel) and the prospect of widespread economic destruction. All make being an EU country geographically adjacent to England and Ireland rich with possibilities for economic tourism and smuggling.

If there are advantages for Northern Ireland and Scotland remaining in the UK I'd like hear about it, they are increasingly hard to detect.

[ChumpDumper]

Populism -- who knew?

Oh yeah, everyone but the populists.

[boutons_deux]

Racist conservative Farage and his lies, and UK businessman with Russian wife, really screwed up the UK and Europe. Pootin is loving it.

Dublin's airport doesn't have the hub capacity of Frankfort or Paris.

Awesome UK stupidity that will cost them $10Bs for years and 100Ks of jobs.

[FrostKing]

Money is the least of England's problems. They have a knife and acid attack epidemic for one. Their government censored child gang rape rings on the grounds of racism. Oh and they are being replaced within their own borders by the 3rd World.

But sure their inability to buy stuff is the big British rallying cry.

[Winehole23]

Money is the least of the England's problems. They have a knife and acid attack epidemic for one. Their government censored child gang rape rings on the grounds of racism. Oh and they are being replaced within their own borders by the 3rd World.

But sure their inability to buy stuff is the big British rallying cry.Very high price to keep immigrants out, food and medicine are very important commodities.

[Winehole23]

(Frost King has succumbed completely to tabloid inspired moral panics.)

[ChumpDumper]

Money is the least of England's problems. They have a knife and acid attack epidemic for one. Their government censored child gang rape rings on the grounds of racism. Oh and they are being replaced within their own borders by the 3rd World.

But sure their inability to buy stuff is the big British rallying cry.:lmao you'll believe literally anything

[FrostKing]

Very high price to keep immigrants out, food and medicine are very important commodities.
England didn't want to be controlled by unelected bureaucrats from the EU. This continues to be a growing concern from remaining members.

Rewind to 2015. The Germans were again social engineering and England had flashbacks.

[FrostKing]

:lmao you'll believe literally anything
Ya ya ya. Crazy to think people actually have heritage and ideals that they value over $$$. Crazy concept for Americans.

[Ef-man]

:lmao you'll believe literally anything

Polish people are so easy to deceive and surprise, just look at what the german did in 1939. Sad.

[Splits]

Growing up in Cleveland, Pollacks were equated with retards*. Like, a slur.

*Anecdotal

[ChumpDumper]

England didn't want to be controlled by unelected bureaucrats from the EU. This continues to be a growing concern from remaining members.

Rewind to 2015. The Germans were again social engineering and England had flashbacks.Is Poland in the EU?

[FrostKing]

Polish people are so easy to deceive and surprise, just look at what the german did in 1939. Sad.
Huh. We were abandoned by our allies in the West, who promised to counter-attack. War likely would have stopped at that point.

Your post illustrates the dangers of being in the EU.

[FrostKing]

Growing up in Cleveland, Pollacks were equated with retards*. Like, a slur.

*Anecdotal
https://i.ibb.co/SVfXRDg/Screenshot-20201213-114939-Chrome.jpg

I remember pollock jokes. That is why I refute the theory of white privilege. We faced discrimination.

[DMX7]

It's been long time since the referendum and the Tories have been screwing Brexit up royally. It's a terrible deal for the UK in a thousand dimensions.

The UK faces food and medicine insecurity, more unfavorable trade terms with the whole world, more difficulty traveling to/from the UK (e.g., because of licensing issues, the US might decide to designate Dublin the European hub for air travel) and the prospect of widespread economic destruction. All make being an EU country geographically adjacent to England and Ireland rich with possibilities for economic tourism and smuggling.

If there are advantages for Northern Ireland and Scotland remaining in the UK I'd like hear about it, they are increasingly hard to detect.

There are both pros and cons that I can see and whether the possibilities, both good and bad, are realized will go along way in determining Brexit's success or lack of it. I don't think I can judge how it's really going to workout without at least 5-10 years of seeing how it plays out. Of course next year is going to be the year of maximum disruption though.

[Warlord23]

Money is the least of England's problems. They have a knife and acid attack epidemic for one. Their government censored child gang rape rings on the grounds of racism. Oh and they are being replaced within their own borders by the 3rd World.

But sure their inability to buy stuff is the big British rallying cry.

I live in the UK. You are so mistaken that I don't even know where to begin - this is the problem with misinformation, you're drinking it in by the gallon from a fire hose without bothering to verify anything

I'll just leave you with this thought. Since the Brexit vote in 2016, net migration from the EU has fallen steeply, whereas net migration from outside the EU has risen sharply. In 2019, net migration from the EU was +49k, and from outside the EU was +282k. The people who voted for Brexit have been conned mightily

[FrostKing]

Is Poland in the EU?
Haven't we already done this dance about the EU?

[FrostKing]

There are both pros and cons that I can see and whether the possibilities, both good and bad, are realized will go along way in determining Brexit's success or lack of it. I don't think I can judge how it's really going to workout without at least 5-10 years of seeing how it plays out. Of course next year is going to be the year of maximum disruption though.
The decision was for long game. Under the prediction that the EU will increase in inner conflict (while adding more economically struggling members) and eventually split up anyway.

[Warlord23]

Didn’t NI vote to leave the EU? And wouldn’t Scotland then have to worry about a hard border with England if it became independent?

NI voted to stay, as did Scotland. England and Wales voted to leave. Overall the UK voted 52:48 for an undefined alternative to EU membership

It's like asking whether you like chocolate ice cream or some other flavor. "Some other flavor" won 52-48 ... But some people wanted vanilla, others strawberry, and some people didn't like ice cream at all but wanted to send a message to politicians

[FrostKing]

I live in the UK. You are so mistaken that I don't even know where to begin - this is the problem with misinformation, you're drinking it in by the gallon from a fire hose without bothering to verify anything

I'll just leave you with this thought. Since the Brexit vote in 2016, net migration from the EU has fallen steeply, whereas net migration from outside the EU has risen sharply. In 2019, net migration from the EU was +49k, and from outside the EU was +282k. The people who voted for Brexit have been conned mightily
I am mistaken stating British people didn't want to be controlled by unelected bureaucrats? What in England's long history ever gave you the idea England wants to be told what to do by mainland Europeans.

[Winehole23]

There are both pros and cons that I can see and whether the possibilities, both good and bad, are realized will go along way in determining Brexit's success or lack of it. I don't think I can judge how it's really going to workout without at least 5-10 years of seeing how it plays out. Of course next year is going to be the year of maximum disruption though.What are the pros?

[ChumpDumper]

Haven't we already done this dance about the EU?Did you fold then too?

[ElNono]

I am mistaken stating British people didn't want to be controlled by unelected bureaucrats?

You're mistaken. That has happened in England throughout their entire history, being a Kingdom and all. That's just the populist stuff dumb people eat up.

[Winehole23]

You're mistaken. That has happened in England throughout their entire history, being a Kingdom and all. That's just the populist stuff dumb people eat up.You can't have the King's Peace, the King's army or a stable system of land tenure without the King's bureaucrats. Those three things go back at least 800 years.

[Warlord23]

I am mistaken stating British people didn't want to be controlled by unelected bureaucrats? What in England's long history ever gave you the idea England wants to be told what to do by mainland Europeans.

I presume by unelected bureaucrats you mean the European commission, not the European parliament which is elected. Let's look at the numbers: the EC has 32,000 or so employees compared to 430,000 bureaucrats in the UK civil service.

Second, the UK was always at the top table of the EU in shaping policy. Those laws in many cases (including, ironically Article 50 which details the exit process from the EU) were written by Britons. The UK had a veto to oppose certain laws. The UK had rebates which meant they contributes less money than Germany or France. They didn't need to adopt the Euro or the Schengen travel agreement. They took in far fewer refugees than others

We had the best of both worlds but we're conned by charlatans into blaming the EU for every domestic problem (crime, education, health etc)

Brexit leaders and supporters haven't specified one thing that they would do in 2021 after exiting the EU that they could not do before. Not one

[Bogie]

I presume by unelected bureaucrats you mean the European commission, not the European parliament which is elected. Let's look at the numbers: the EC has 32,000 or so employees compared to 430,000 bureaucrats in the UK civil service.

Second, the UK was always at the top table of the EU in shaping policy. Those laws in many cases (including, ironically Article 50 which details the exit process from the EU) were written by Britons. The UK had a veto to oppose certain laws. The UK had rebates which meant they contributes less money than Germany or France. They didn't need to adopt the Euro or the Schengen travel agreement. They took in far fewer refugees than others

We had the best of both worlds but we're conned by charlatans into blaming the EU for every domestic problem (crime, education, health etc)

Brexit leaders and supporters haven't specified one thing that they would do in 2021 after exiting the EU that they could not do before. Not one

you honestly think a guy that claimed to fly to Poland, but had to turn around because it was closed due the pandemic is capable of generating a single honest and critical thought?

[ChumpDumper]

you honestly think a guy that claimed to fly to Poland, but had to turn around because it was closed due the pandemic is capable of generating a single honest and critical thought?They always have to lie, and apparently always lie stupidly.

[FrostKing]

Spending your Sunday gossiping about message board posters.

[ChumpDumper]

Spending your Sunday gossiping about message board posters.It's what you posted.

[FrostKing]

I presume by unelected bureaucrats you mean the European commission, not the European parliament which is elected. Let's look at the numbers: the EC has 32,000 or so employees compared to 430,000 bureaucrats in the UK civil service.

Second, the UK was always at the top table of the EU in shaping policy. Those laws in many cases (including, ironically Article 50 which details the exit process from the EU) were written by Britons. The UK had a veto to oppose certain laws. The UK had rebates which meant they contributes less money than Germany or France. They didn't need to adopt the Euro or the Schengen travel agreement. They took in far fewer refugees than others

We had the best of both worlds but we're conned by charlatans into blaming the EU for every domestic problem (crime, education, health etc)

Brexit leaders and supporters haven't specified one thing that they would do in 2021 after exiting the EU that they could not do before. Not one
:tu

I respected England's decision but was saddened to see them leave. I will always support a united Europe. My issue with the Union is most of the decisions makers were warmongers (even recently Libya) and/or arms salesman (Germany) that have motives outside of Europe. They want to nation build overseas and EU members have to not only fund it but even import the aftermath.

When I see people discussing globalist and their agenda, there is no greater example today than the EU. I question whether many of these people have Europe and its people's well being as the most important priority.

[DMX7]

What are the pros?

No annual membership fee, no more contributions to the EURO bailout fund, control over rich fishing waters, control over immigration policies, freedom to negotiate trade deals and set its own standards, etc.

The pro I'm really thinking about is freedom to negotiate trade deals... This will only be a benefit though if the UK can actually negotiate fair trade deals with countries that the EU doesn't have a major trade deal with like the US and if it can get some type of limited trade deal with the EU that doesn't require it to play entires by the EU rules (the so called "level playing field").

[DMX7]

Second, the UK was always at the top table of the EU in shaping policy. Those laws in many cases (including, ironically Article 50 which details the exit process from the EU) were written by Britons. The UK had a veto to oppose certain laws. The UK had rebates which meant they contributes less money than Germany or France. They didn't need to adopt the Euro or the Schengen travel agreement. They took in far fewer refugees than others


According to the below the UK was the second largest net contributor... Germany has a larger economy and frankly it benefits the most from the EU single market because of its massive trade surpluses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48256318

[Warlord23]

According to the below the UK was the second largest net contributor... Germany has a larger economy and frankly it benefits the most from the EU single market because of its massive trade surpluses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48256318

The number referred to in the article factors in countries receiving the benefit of EU spending projects (e.g. a new community center in a Welsh town) which tend to vary from one year to the next. Here is a breakdown of budget contributions:
2019: Link (https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contributions-by-country/)
2014-17: Link (https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-one-biggest-contributors-eu-budget/)

The budget contribution is basically a membership fee both for frictionless trade within the block, and for trade deals with other countries. The UK as a single country will find it hard to improve on the terms that the EU will get as a bloc. Norway, for example is not an EU member, but pays into the EU and stays aligned on regulations to get access to trade.

[FrostKing]

However, a recent dispute between Poland and Hungary and the rest of the EU has put the bloc in a "very difficult situation," according to Soros.

Polska cock blocking Soros :lol

[Winehole23]

COVID-19: For the first time in its history UNICEF will help feed children in the UKUNICEF says it is the first time in its 70-year history that it has responded to a UK "domestic emergency".
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-for-the-first-time-in-its-history-unicef-will-help-feed-kids-in-the-uk-12163515

[Winehole23]

Interesting thread on why conservatives like Thatcher, Heath and Macmillan supported joining the EEC in the 1970s, and how the debate then was more forthright about the stakes than it is now.

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[Winehole23]

*there is no way anyone could have seen this coming*

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[FrostKing]

How dare you bump this thread as

non-European

[Winehole23]

How dare you bump this thread as

non-Europeansorry this is happening to you.

do you need a lolly?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/035/576/Markiplier_microphone_in_mouth_0-0_screenshot.jpg

[pgardn]

GB totally fdup.

They are an economic mess. any Trump stirrers wanting to leave the country please go there.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqZNrnlW4AE_GSZ?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

Irish Sea border, Brexiteers said it would never happen

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[boutons_deux]

Scotland to secede?

[Winehole23]

Scotland to secede?I'd be surprised if Scotland doesn't give it a go. Irish reunification also looks like a live possibility.

[pgardn]

Last quote from the article basically says it all

We're now going to see the €80b (£71.2bn) worth of trade across the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland disrupted by an awful lot more checks and declarations, and bureaucracy and paperwork, and cost and delay."

you want your freedom from the highly oppressive EU, here you go, here’s your freedom.

[Winehole23]

Last quote from the article basically says it all

We're now going to see the €80b (£71.2bn) worth of trade across the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland disrupted by an awful lot more checks and declarations, and bureaucracy and paperwork, and cost and delay."

you want your freedom from the highly oppressive EU, here you go, here’s your freedom.Its also an open invitation to smuggling and organized crime. Maybe England will try to turn NI into a gangster state, to create a pretext for a permanent UK security presence.

[pgardn]

Its also an open invitation to smuggling and organized crime. Maybe England will try to turn NI into a gangster state, to create a pretext for a permanent UK security presence.

they want that problem again?
I’m sure people in London would love more trouble in Ireland so they can again experience subway bombing. But who knows what the conservatives that are Brexiters want. When you deal with this type of paranoia I guess you don’t know what you’re going to get

[Warlord23]

Much like their Trumpist counterparts across the Atlantic, all Brexit supporters care is that they won and their opponents lost. Exactly what they won and how it will benefit them or anyone else is beside the point.

Losing financial "passporting" rights for UK financial services is a big blow. Every company has either had to set up or expand their presence in Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris or Dublin because that's how they will get access to the EU market. Slowly but surely the core work of managing assets and trading will also start to move over. London was neck-and-neck with NY as the global hub of finance, but that won't be the case going forward.

If I'm a global manufacturing business like Nissan, Toyota, etc why will I choose the UK to build my next generation of electric vehicles?

[boutons_deux]

81,000 UK-owned .eu domains suspended as Brexit transition ends

The UK lost its right to a .eu website when it left the European bloc, leaving many domain name owners in limbo.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/81000-uk-owned-eu-domains-suspended-as-brexit-transition-ends/

[Winehole23]

Sounds trite, but food shortages are no joke. The UK is already hurt badly by Brexit, it won't get better anytime soon.

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[Splits]

Edwin Poots. Talking about a gravy shortage. Seriously.

[boutons_deux]

Brexit:

'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat'

"I had no idea at all I was going to be charged any more for deliveries after Brexit. The extra costs were definitely a bit of a shock."

She was surprised when she then received a text from courier company DPD, containing a link asking her to pay £58 in customs duties, VAT and additional charges for her £180 order.

On top of that, the UPS courier for the second parcel showed up at her door several days later, asking for an extra payment of £82 for her £200 coat.

These charges, imposed by new government rules, have to be collected by the courier firms on the authorities' behalf.

"I didn't even know when the parcels would be coming -

so I sent both back without paying the extra fees and

won't be ordering anything from Europe again any time soon,"

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55734277

Conservative MISgovernment.

The UK gulled by a racist xenophobe financed by a businessman with Russian connections, and Russian wife.

[pgardn]

Edwin Poots. Talking about a gravy shortage. Seriously.

The food there is shit anyways except for foreign food in London.
Cold meat and a starch. A pie made of soggy crust and coagulated blood.
They are seriously bad cooks. That British bake off show is a microcosm of what those poor bastards eat on the whole.

And yes its a generalization. But too many small poor towns and no wonder they drink so much, you dont want to taste what you are eating.

edit
It was, hopefully is, easy to get good cheese. Thats about it imo.

[Winehole23]

AEP blames Germany in the Tory Telegraph

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[boutons_deux]

Congrats America, You’re Not the Dumbest Country in The World Anymore. Britain Is.

How Incompetence, Malice, Greed, and Stupidity Left Britain A Smoking Shattered Wreck

Britain’s story these days is somewhere between tragicomedy and farce. Let me give you three examples — of what it means for a society to self-destruct, by way of idiocy, greed, recklessness, and ineptitude.

The EU wasn’t just Britain’s friend:

Britain is a tenth the size of the EU, economically and demographically.

You don’t just “leave” a union and market ten times bigger than you, without catastrophic consequences, like trade stopping, investment ceasing, unemployment spiking, prices soaring, and shortages happening.

So we economists warned all this was, well, suicidal lunacy. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjnsaS0mrXuAhXAXhUIHWZeC6kQFjADegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Feand.co%2Fwhat-will-the-effects-of-brexit-really-be-e1530c674141&usg=AOvVaw3tmzeRkjgnaZhAuP5Jj861)

But something had broken in the minds of British people.

They didn’t believe it.

They believed adorable but dangerously misinformed old conservative idiots with names like Lord Ducky Crumpets-Walpole,

who themselves didn’t have the faintest clue as to what “breaking up with your closest ally in the world, who’s ten times bigger than you” really meant.

The reality of Brexit is much, much worse than we economists warned about.

It goes like this.

The British economy is starting to shut down like a heart attack.

Europe is simply stopping (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjQufT-mrXuAhVBQhUIHVuEAbYQFjADegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fbusiness-55530721&usg=AOvVaw0dyqWbS4WTk6gpc9FkF3zU) sending goods to Britain, and Britain to Europe.

The costs involved have soared from “nothing” to “impossible.”

British people are shocked, suddenly — after voting for Brexit — to discover that

ordering stuff from Europe, which used to be as simple as a click,

now comes withmassive taxes, customs, and suspicious “handling charges,” (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiv45yUm7XuAhU8URUIHVdvAhkQFjAAegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fbusiness-55734277&usg=AOvVaw3jgq7OGqJZu_QedhxcZ82y)

https://eand.co/congrats-america-youre-not-the-dumbest-country-in-the-world-anymore-britain-is-badad4d64754

Pootin is laffing his ass off. Farage, etc LIED decrepit Britain out of Europe.

Europe is weaker, so Russia is stronger, Britain is fucked.

[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

53 Tons of Rotting Pork and Other Brexit Nightmares

With Britain out of the European Union, companies that trade with the continent are contending with expensive disruptions to their businesses and a plunge in exports.

Britain is struggling to adapt to its new position in the global economy —

its fortunes still tethered to the European Union;

its companies on the outside.

the revival of

customs procedures,
health and safety checks,
value-added taxes on imports, and
other time-consuming, commerce-limiting hindrances.

Businesses across Britain are now contending with paralyzing confusion and unfamiliar bureaucratic hurdles.

Paperwork snafus, customs horrors and other expensive disruptions are intensifying the strains on an economy that was already reeling from the pandemic (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/25/business/us-economy-coronavirus/britains-economy-is-in-the-midst-of-its-deepest-recession-in-three-centuries).

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/europe/brexit-britain-trade.html

And Pootin loves how he has degraded Europe's quality of life, unity.

[boutons_deux]

The Growing Pains of Brexit, 50 Days In

The crucial services exports,

manufacturing exports and imports,

the arts & entertainment industry,

fishing industry…

it’s a mess.

https://wolfstreet.com/2021/02/23/the-growing-pains-of-brexit-so-to-speak-50-days-in/

[Winehole23]

wrong thread

[Winehole23]

aka the Belfast, or Good Friday agreement


The loyalist paramilitaries including the Ulster Volunteer Force, Ulster Defence Association and Red Hand Commando said they were concerned about the disruption to trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland due to the Brexit deal.


“The loyalist groupings are herewith withdrawing their support for the Belfast Agreement,” they said in a March 3 letter to Johnson from Loyalist Communities Council chairman David Campbell.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland/northern-irish-loyalist-paramilitaries-withdraw-support-for-1998-peace-deal-idUSKCN2AW0K8

[Winehole23]

UK --> Little England


A recent survey found that a majority favoured holding a referendum on unity within the next five years, with 47 percent currently in favour of remaining in the United Kingdom and 42 percent supporting a united Ireland. Among the under-45s, reunification led by 47 to 46.


Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald has urged governments in Dublin and London to begin serious preparations for the possibility that Northern Ireland leaves the UK in the near future.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/9/irish-reunification-debate-looms-large-as-ni-nears-centenary

[pgardn]

aka the Belfast, or Good Friday agreement

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland/northern-irish-loyalist-paramilitaries-withdraw-support-for-1998-peace-deal-idUSKCN2AW0K8

This is something the Trump adm. paid little attention to and is a dangerous situation. No push on Boris Johnson to emphasize honoring this. This is where the Trumpsters want us to stay out of other peoples business when we should absolutely be heavily involved.
For Boris from Biden: No trade agreement with US unless you tell N. Ireland you fully honor the Good Friday agreement and help N. Ireland with the problems caused by Brexit. Clear it up, or we find other trade.

[boutons_deux]

Its also an open invitation to smuggling and organized crime. Maybe England will try to turn NI into a gangster state, to create a pretext for a permanent UK security presence.

If UK restart "the Troubles"?

They lost Lord Mountbatten, etc

I was sitting in a London restaurant when the IRA set off a bomb a few blocks away.

[pgardn]

If UK restart "the Troubles"?

They lost Lord Mountbatten, etc

I was sitting in a London restaurant when the IRA set off a bomb a few blocks away.

This is real. Only it looks like England would probably stay out and just supply N. Ireland. Ulster and Dublin would get the requisite terror bombings. Thus economic pressure needs to be applied to England like they basically did by doing such a shitty job of leaving the EU. “Oh, no problems, N.Ireland and Ireland will work it out now that we also submarined their economic ties to Europe.” Severe poverty in the “Ireland’s” when most of W. Europe was doing well was a huge factor in the troubles. So let’s just give it another go. Let the extremists handle the poverty, that’ll work. It’s worked so well in the ME ... it even brought Sinn Fein and Palestinian bombers close on understanding on how to kill people in crowded areas and become power brokers.

[Winehole23]

This is real. Only it looks like England would probably stay out and just supply N. Ireland. Ulster and Dublin would get the requisite terror bombings. Thus economic pressure needs to be applied to England like they basically did by doing such a shitty job of leaving the EU. “Oh, no problems, N.Ireland and Ireland will work it out now that we also submarined their economic ties to Europe.” Severe poverty in the “Ireland’s” when most of W. Europe was doing well was a huge factor in the troubles. So let’s just give it another go. Let the extremists handle the poverty, that’ll work. It’s worked so well in the ME ... it even brought Sinn Fein and Palestinian bombers close on understanding on how to kill people in crowded areas and become power brokers.OTOH, reunification (and the fragmentation of the UK more generally) may soon be a live possibility.

[SnakeBoy]

For Boris from Biden: No trade agreement with US unless you tell N. Ireland you fully honor the Good Friday agreement and help N. Ireland with the problems caused by Brexit. Clear it up, or we find other trade.

With the EU on the verge of total collapse it's a big mistake for Biden to put the UK trade deal on the back burner.

[Winehole23]

With the EU on the verge of total collapse it's a big mistake for Biden to put the UK trade deal on the back burner.PRC will collapse, EU will collapse, any other prognostications?

[SnakeBoy]

PRC will collapse, EU will collapse, any other prognostications?

War in the middle east

EU died in the great recession. It's just dead enders like Biden who think it can be saved.

[ChumpDumper]

With the EU on the verge of total collapse it's a big mistake for Biden to put the UK trade deal on the back burner.Why?

[Winehole23]

Why?SnakeBoy read one book

https://www.amazon.com/Disunited-Nations-Scramble-Power-Ungoverned/dp/0062913689

[SnakeBoy]

Why?

Frexit

[SnakeBoy]

SnakeBoy read one book

https://www.amazon.com/Disunited-Nations-Scramble-Power-Ungoverned/dp/0062913689

lol one

If you want to make an argument as to how the world stays as is then make it instead of just nuh-uh

Use your words

:cry let's have a conversation :cry :lol

[ChumpDumper]

FrexitFrance? Not that big a deal to us.

[SnakeBoy]

PRC will collapse, EU will collapse, any other prognostications?

China/Taiwan war but that ties in with PRC collapse


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkuNWDG3yNM&t=305s


and the man chosen to lead the world into the most volatile decade since the 40's can't even handle a press conference with friendly journalist's :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

France? Not that big a deal to us.

the EU isn't a big deal to us. The UK is.

[ChumpDumper]

the EU isn't a big deal to us. The UK is.There's more trade with Germany alone.

Upon what are you basing this?

[SnakeBoy]

There's more trade with Germany alone.

Upon what are you basing this?

We don't need trade with either.

What do we need?

[ChumpDumper]

We don't need trade with either.

What do we need?Sorry, you didn't answer the question.

Upon what are you basing this?

[Winehole23]

lol one

If you want to make an argument as to how the world stays as is then make it instead of just nuh-uh

Use your words

:cry let's have a conversation :cry :lolI didn't say "nuh uh" and didn say "things will stay the same." I said you've read one book.

Make your own point or continue to wave your hands, it makes no difference to me.

[SnakeBoy]

I didn't say "nuh uh" and didn say "things will stay the same." I said you've read one book.

Make your own point or continue to wave your hands, it makes no difference to me.

I already did "it's a big mistake for Biden to put the UK trade deal on the back burner"

It made a difference to you :lol

[Winehole23]

I already did "it's a big mistake for Biden to put the UK trade deal on the back burner"
Doesn't bother me a bit, but that just looks like wild explanation. You've offered zero information about how or why the EU is going fall apart. You just added another bold speculation based on...

.. who can tell? You've given no clue.

[Winehole23]

France will leave the EU *for some reason*, therefore Biden should prioritize a rapidly deteriorating UK.

The EU has been a zombie for 13 years, based on *you say so*

There will be a war over Taiwan that will cause PRC to implode *because SnakeBoy says so*

[Winehole23]

We don't need trade with either.

What do we need?Answer your own question.

What do we need?

[SnakeBoy]

I already did "it's a big mistake for Biden to put the UK trade deal on the back burner"

It made a difference to you :lol

Doesn't bother me a bit, but that just looks like wild explanation. You've offered zero information about how or why the EU is going fall apart. You just added another bold speculation based on...

.. who can tell? You've given no clue.

France will leave the EU *for some reason*, therefore Biden should prioritize a rapidly deteriorating UK.

The EU has been a zombie for 13 years, based on *you say so*

There will be a war over Taiwan that will cause PRC to implode *because SnakeBoy says so*





it makes no difference to me.

:lol

[Winehole23]

SnakeBoy taps out.

Totally unable to explain his own predictions or summarize the argument of the book he bases them on.

[Spurtacular]

Bookaki has a selective memory.

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She states that weapons of mass destruction were found.

[pgardn]

War in the middle east

EU died in the great recession. It's just dead enders like Biden who think it can be saved.

GB is more likely to collapse than the EU imo.
The EU will definitely change. England needs to be pressured. No trade, clean up your stupid mess you made in Ireland.
And possibly Scotland and Wales.

One thing we need to be doing that Trump already was. Sail our Navy blatantly through the South China Sea.

[SnakeBoy]

One thing we need to be doing that Trump already was. Sail our Navy blatantly through the South China Sea.

Something else Trump did

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/japan%E2%80%99s-increasingly-powerful-navy-looks-very-familiar-179393

[pgardn]

Something else Trump did

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/japan%E2%80%99s-increasingly-powerful-navy-looks-very-familiar-179393

I got no problem at all.
Japan and the US need to be able to trade with SE Asia.

[SnakeBoy]

I got no problem at all.
Japan and the US need to be able to trade with SE Asia.

Biden should be making the same deal with the UK. It's the only thing we need from Japan, the UK, and France when they bail on the EU.

[DarrinS]

UK rolling out vaccine rapidly. The rest of the EU?

[Winehole23]

UK rolling out vaccine rapidly. The rest of the EU?Not so good.

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txUKW-L1HNI

[pgardn]

UK rolling out vaccine rapidly. The rest of the EU?

they are stalled on one dose, better than none.
We are definitely doing better than both, now.

If most of the polls are correct, you need to talk to the red team about vaccination fears or flat refusal in the US.
That means you gotta converse with derp.

[pgardn]

Biden should be making the same deal with the UK. It's the only thing we need from Japan, the UK, and France when they bail on the EU.

You dont want to bring Germany along...?
Thats not wise imo. You need to convince them.

[SnakeBoy]

You dont want to bring Germany along...?
Thats not wise imo. You need to convince them.

I get right on it but what do they have to offer in a post EU world?

[Winehole23]

...

[pgardn]

I get right on it but what do they have to offer in a post EU world?

The most stable economy and the largest economy in Europe.
I guess that doesn’t mean anything.

especially important when we are having so much trouble with China.

[boutons_deux]

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain


It’s not just the tax dodgers though that are affected,

some ex-pats have been declined residency despite applying

whilst others amazingly missed deadlines to apply,

believing nothing would actually happen until cops started preparing deportation plans in anticipation of the deadline date.


Spain’s police force and authorities are expecting to deport 500 UK citizens within the first week,

with targets already earmarked to be picked up and deported home,

knowingly to the authorities not having the correct paperwork to remain.

Although a small exodus of Brits has started this week as they head back to Britain to beat the deadline.

https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/

[Winehole23]

The most stable economy and the largest economy in Europe.
I guess that doesn’t mean anything.

especially important when we are having so much trouble with China.Massive, persistent trade surplus, Europe's largest creditor.

The picture of Germany as a weak sister against a Britannic colossus in the context of a rapidly deteriorating Eurozone is uh, highly idiosyncratic.

[pgardn]

Massive, persistent trade surplus, Europe's largest creditor.

The picture of Germany as a weak sister against a Britannic colossus in the context of a rapidly deteriorating Eurozone is uh, highly idiosyncratic.

My uncle is a diplomat so I got a bit of a leg up on getting to ask questions.
And I must say you put up some very good stuff. Liberal leaning of course, but thoughtful at least.
The Uncle is more of a conservative.

I just realized I will get hit by DMC for a massive boast about relatives.

[boutons_deux]

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/58541d2631e640acbae0f0c027ce85d7/800.jpeg

N Ireland leaders call for calm after night of violence

BELFAST, Northern Ireland (AP) — Young people set a hijacked bus on fire and hurled gasoline bombs at police in Belfast

in at least the fourth night of serious violence in a week in Northern Ireland,

where Britain’s exit from the European Union has unsettled an uneasy political balance.

People also lobbed bricks, fireworks and gasoline bombs Wednesday night in both directions over a concrete “peace wall” that separates Protestant, British loyalist and Catholic, Irish nationalist neighborhoods.

several hundred people gathered on both sides of a gate in the wall, where “crowds ...

were committing serious criminal offenses, both attacking police and attacking each other.”

He said a total of 55 police officers have been injured over several nights of disorder.

https://apnews.com/article/brexit-police-boris-johnson-riots-london-d9f33e1989a0f81dc604288c5f054d7e

[boutons_deux]

NI riots: Fourteen police hurt in another night of violence

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56699716

[pgardn]

Northern Ireland feeling all on their own now.
The drug dealing Ulster men are laughing as their kids are attacking police.
The side effects of such a ridiculously stupid deal.
This part would not have been thought of as a problem when they first voted against GB staying.

Unintended consequences have for the most part been absolutely awful.
And they really feel like they have independence from mainland Europe... same as the dumbfcks we have here.
Its all about US independence from the world! USA! Like we supply EVERYTHING our consumers could possibly want.
Like WE have every good idea...

[Winehole23]

impact so far on the City of London

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-03-26/brexit-news-charts-show-financial-impact-on-london-paris-amsterdam-dublin

[FrostKing]

And they really feel like they have independence from mainland Europe... same as the dumbfcks we have here.
Its all about US independence from the world! USA! Like we supply EVERYTHING our consumers could possibly want.
Like WE have every good idea...
Americans sleep on the street while the government uses our funds to help citizens in other nations

That is also a "dumbfck" mindset

[ElNono]

Americans sleep on the street while the government uses our funds to help citizens in other nations

That is also a "dumbfck" mindset

When there's any mention of helping these Americans off the street, in come the "handouts", "bootstraps" and "welfare queens" rants, tbh...

[FrostKing]

When there's any mention of helping these Americans off the street, in come the "handouts", "bootstraps" and "welfare queens" rants, tbh...
Yes that does occur. My opinion has changed recently as homelessness is unavoidable here in SoCal as you know yourself. I think employment is the only consistent solution I have seen. People need to feel self-worth and hope. Especially effective when tackling drug addiction

Don't want to hijack thread.

[boutons_deux]

When there's any mention of helping these Americans off the street, in come the "handouts", "bootstraps" and "welfare queens" rants, tbh...

If you're poor, homeless in America, Christians say God doesn't favor you because you're a bad person.

And Capitalism doesn't give tiniest fuck about human life, except the Capitalist's own life