religion of peace again

[DarrinS]

Islamophobes seem to usually think fundamental Christianity is fine. I know you do.


No one is afraid to draw a Christ cartoon.

[Blake]

No one is afraid to draw a Christ cartoon.

K, if you're terrified of drawing Mohammed because of Islam, what do you propose we do about it?

[SpursforSix]

Me too. So do most peace loving people I think.

But do you have a problem with Islam itself like the OP does

I have no idea. The OP just posted a link reporting some news.

[boutons_deux]

No one is afraid to draw a Christ cartoon.

how about putting a crucifix in a jar of urine?

how about providing health care to poor women while being stalked, harassed, family threatened, fire bombed, murdered?

[Blake]

I have no idea. The OP just posted a link reporting some news.

If you want to continue, just let me know when you make up your mind about Islam

[SpursforSix]

If you want to continue, just let me know when you make up your mind about Islam

Ok. I doubt it will be today. So if you have something more pressing than waiting on me, you can go ahead and take care of.

[Blake]

Ok. I doubt it will be today. So if you have something more pressing than waiting on me, you can go ahead and take care of.

Nothing going on at the moment. Just nothing more on this topic to discuss with you until you catch up

[SpursforSix]

Nothing going on at the moment. Just nothing more on this topic to discuss with you until you catch up

Okey dokey.

[Avante]

Let's ramdomly open up a Koran to see what violence is found on that page.

page 391

He forgives whom He pleases, and punishs whom He pleases.

Lets do another one.

page 51

They are the heirs of the fire, and there they will remain.

One more time.

page 145

God will cause their ridicule to rebound on them, they shall have a painful punishment.



I gotta tell ya, how in the hell could anyone not get this? Punishment PUNISHMENT KILL FIRE CHOP BURN....my God. This really is incredible how anyone wouldn't understand this.

Hell, one more page.

page 209

....and warns those who deny the life to come with grievous punishment.


On page one in talking about the Quran, we read....


The main themes of the Quran are enlightenment, closeness to God, peace and spirituality.

Are you kidding me?

I wonder how many times we read that word...punishment ...in the Koran? Then add....fire, burn, chop, kill.

[DarrinS]

K, if you're terrified of drawing Mohammed because of Islam, what do you propose we do about it?


There's nothing to do. Just observing that members of one particular religion are easily triggered.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lol no. Your question is stupid and gets away from my point. We agree that fundamental Islam is used to justify terror.

The point I'm making is that the Bible is just as usable to justify violence as the Koran.

And you still have no answer as to what to do about Islam itself other than copy paste walls of worthless stats
We also agree that the Bible is just as usable to justify violence as the Koran. The point I'm making is that the Koran is actually used much more often to justify violence than the Bible. Do you agree with that statement?

[spurraider21]

The point I'm making is that the Bible is just as usable to justify violence as the Koran.
lol "could"... It rarely is, though, at least in comparison to Islam. You've been going around asking everybody "what should we do about Islam?" Let me ask you this. Why do you think Islam is used to justify violence at a rate significantly higher than any other religion, such as Christianity, even though both religions "could" be used to justify it?

And lol at bringing up hundreds of years old crusades every time. 150 years ago the Republicans were the "party of Lincoln."

[Spurminator]

Let me ask you this. Why do you think Islam is used to justify violence at a rate significantly higher than any other religion, such as Christianity, even though both religions "could" be used to justify it?

Terrorism's source is 3rd world, war torn countries where the dominant religion is Islam. Many of those areas didn't necessarily become 3rd world as a result of Muslim dominance directly, but most have turned to a radicalized form of Islam as a reaction to their poverty. From a recruiting standpoint, it makes much more sense for these radical groups to appeal to someone's Muslim faith than to use a minority faith.

Tribalism is common for poor and uneducated people. In areas of extreme North American poverty, this manifests itself in gang membership. Many violent criminals define identity based on gangs or cartels (worth noting that many of them attend Christian church services, but we don't often dig into the religion/church attendance past of violent criminals who aren't Muslim.) Association with gangs gives them identity and a perceived sense of power, and "code" gives them direction.

No one can argue that both faiths are used to radicalize criminals equally. But turning this fact into suspicion towards all followers of Islam is just more lowbrow tribalism. Most radical Islamic terrorists, particularly in the states, were not radicalized by typical places of Muslim fellowship or worship like their local mosque.

[spurraider21]

it's one thing for a criminal to be Muslim and it's entirely different for him to commit his crimes in the name of his faith

And let's not pretend Muslim countries are the only 3rd world countries with poverty and general socioeconomic issues.

[Avante]

It's real easy to see that the Koran was all about Mohammad, not Allah.

So many times we read....

He ordains life and death, so believe in God and his messenger.

Also for those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet.....

Mohammad using the fear of some ficticious god to get his way, ya reckon?

[Spurminator]

it's one thing for a criminal to be Muslim and it's entirely different for him to commit his crimes in the name of his faith

My point in that aside was mainly we tend to assume all violence by Muslims is motivated by their faith. If a murdered attended a mosque this becomes much more of a news story than if a gang-affiliated killer was a regular Sunday church-goer.


And let's not pretend Muslim countries are the only 3rd world countries with poverty and general socioeconomic issues.

Not pretending that at all, but those other countries haven't been weaponized through decades of intervention either.

[spurraider21]

Sure and the new testament was about jesus

[spurraider21]

My point in that aside was mainly we tend to assume all violence by Muslims is motivated by their faith.That's fair, but in just about all of these headline incidents, we the the perp making some claim of allegiance which shows their motivation. And then we have the ridiculous reactive comments, too, like when the Orlando shooter literally calls 911 and pledges to IS and white Knights literally argue he isn't Islamic :lol
Not pretending that at all, but those other countries haven't been weaponized through decades of intervention either.South and central America endured tons of intervention, poverty, etc... Have high crime rates. But not Christian jihad. At some point you just recognize a distinction

[Spurminator]

South and central America endured tons of intervention, poverty, etc... Have high crime rates. But not Christian jihad. At some point you just recognize a distinction

The weapons there went to druglords and cartels instead.

[Spurminator]

That's fair, but in just about all of these headline incidents, we the the perp making some claim of allegiance which shows their motivation. And then we have the ridiculous reactive comments, too, like when the Orlando shooter literally calls 911 and pledges to IS and white Knights literally argue he isn't Islamic :lol

It's political correctness vs. xenophobia. Nobody wins that argument.

[DarrinS]

It's political correctness vs. xenophobia. Nobody wins that argument.

#notAllMuslims

[DarrinS]

how about putting a crucifix in a jar of urine?


That "artist" is alive and well, as far as I can tell.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andres_Serrano

[Spurminator]

#notAllMuslims

I'm having trouble connecting your reply to the post of mine you quoted. Care to elaborate?

[DarrinS]

I'm having trouble connecting your reply to the post of mine you quoted. Care to elaborate?

It's not political correctness vs xenophobia. Its political correctness vs reality. The #notAllMuslims disclaimer is to prevent SJW triggering.

[Spurminator]

It's not political correctness vs xenophobia. Its political correctness vs reality.

Reality is stating the fact that the Orlando shooter proclaimed allegiance to the IS. Xenophobia is suggesting that anyone who practices Islam should be suspect or accountable as a result. If you don't think a massive amount of antagonism happens towards Muslims every time a Muslim is implicated in a major crime, you must not have Internet access.

[DarrinS]

Reality is stating the fact that the Orlando shooter proclaimed allegiance to the IS. Xenophobia is suggesting that anyone who practices Islam should be suspect or accountable as a result. If you don't think a massive amount of antagonism happens towards Muslims every time a Muslim is implicated in a major crime, you must not have Internet access.

Evidently, #notAllMuslims wasn't very effective.

[diego]

Terrorism's source is 3rd world, war torn countries where the dominant religion is Islam. Many of those areas didn't necessarily become 3rd world as a result of Muslim dominance directly, but most have turned to a radicalized form of Islam as a reaction to their poverty. From a recruiting standpoint, it makes much more sense for these radical groups to appeal to someone's Muslim faith than to use a minority faith.

Tribalism is common for poor and uneducated people. In areas of extreme North American poverty, this manifests itself in gang membership. Many violent criminals define identity based on gangs or cartels (worth noting that many of them attend Christian church services, but we don't often dig into the religion/church attendance past of violent criminals who aren't Muslim.) Association with gangs gives them identity and a perceived sense of power, and "code" gives them direction.

No one can argue that both faiths are used to radicalize criminals equally. But turning this fact into suspicion towards all followers of Islam is just more lowbrow tribalism. Most radical Islamic terrorists, particularly in the states, were not radicalized by typical places of Muslim fellowship or worship like their local mosque.

islam's apex coincides with the regions most prosperous time. make <insert tribal identity here> great again is a good line, and for people in those countries that means going hard to islam. Its kind of disturbing though that the most secular leaders in the region have regularly been deposed/disposed by western powers in favor of religious nuts.

comparing with south america is asinine. we've been assimilated to the west for hundreds of years, but when shit was going down there were terrorist groups fighting back, attacking embassies, etc. If the US had drones/cruise missiles bombing people in south america every 3 months for over 20 years then you can make the comparison.

where are all the muslim terrorist malaysians and indians and cameroonians? oh thats right their neighborhoods arent bombed regularly, where does terrorism come from? an eye for an eye, once blood is spilled the taste for revenge is what can turn a muslim, christian, atheist, rich, poor whatever into a terrorist. a lot of these guys are 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants, but they still have family over there. they here stories of all the shit thats gone down. and they see the contempt and disrespect westerners have towards their culture. americans love to talk shit, right after 9/11, shock and awe, blast them to the stone age etc. and here we are now, on the next cycle.

in those months after 9/11 a bunch of people i knew who werent even muslims got harassed, in fights, and a couple who actually were muslim got detained for weeks for no reason. if people are going to insist on profiling as the means to stop terrorism, can we at least be accurate and profile the place these dudes come from instead of their religion? because your aim would improve by about 70% with that filter.

this is like when people say marijuana is a gateway drug. just because 90% of X did Y, doesnt mean 90% of Y did X.

[spurraider21]

The weapons there went to druglords and cartels instead.
yeah i totally remember the cartels launching random attacks/violence to innocent civilians of other countries in the name of cocaine

[Spurminator]

yeah i totally remember the cartels launching random attacks/violence to innocent civilians of other countries in the name of cocaine

Google: Mexican cartel kidnapping.

Also, cut the sarcastic bullshit and have an adult conversation for once. State your position.

[spurraider21]

Google: Mexican cartel kidnapping.
yes. because when i said "lahcning attacks to innocent civilians of other countries" the mexican cartels kidnapping is RIGHT there with isis suicide attacks

Also, cut the sarcastic bullshit and have an adult conversation for once.
i made one sarcastic comment in this current convo and then :cry cut the sarcasm :cry

State your position.
i already did.

saying "the bible says mean stuff too" is irrelevant. we dont have a current parallel to radical islam

[Spurminator]

yes. because when i said "lahcning attacks to innocent civilians of other countries" the mexican cartels kidnapping is RIGHT there with isis suicide attacks

Why wouldn't it be? Cartels have kidnapped and killed thousands to intimidate and maintain power, and so do terrorists.


i made one sarcastic comment in this current convo and then :cry cut the sarcasm :cry

Doubling down with emojis now, solid work.

Your contributions so far have been primarily to nit-pick certain pieces of other posts but you have yet to give your actual position on Islam or your opinion of what we should be doing about it.


i already did.

saying "the bible says mean stuff too" is irrelevant. we dont have a current parallel to radical islam

The source texts of both religions were written 2000+ years ago. If your argument is that Christianity can't be used to justify violence, examples from hundreds of years ago are relevant as a rebuttal. Examples don't have to be "current." The source religious texts haven't changed. Interpretations and sociopolitical environments in the places where these religions are dominant have.

But then again, that may not be your main argument, I wouldn't know.

[spurraider21]

sigh


Why wouldn't it be? Cartels have kidnapped and killed thousands to intimidate and maintain power, and so do terrorists.
"innocent civilians of other countries"

the amount of times cartels kidnap from outside their borders are minuscule compared to the work of IS




Doubling down with emojis now, solid work.
doubling down on deflecting. solid work


Your contributions so far have been primarily to nit-pick certain pieces of other posts but you have yet to give your actual position on Islam or your opinion of what we should be doing about it.
i've given my position more than once. your choosing to ignore it or attempts to make something more of it is your problem and your problem alone. i haven't given an opinion of what we should be doing about it. i've pointed out that in the current world, the only one i care about, there is no christian (or any other religion, sect, etc) parallel to isis



The source texts of both religions were written 2000+ years ago.
false. islam, muhammad, the quran are all roughly 1500 years old


If your argument is that Christianity can't be used to justify violence
it isn't. i never said that.


examples from hundreds of years ago are relevant as a rebuttal. Examples don't have to be "current." The source religious texts haven't changed. Interpretations and sociopolitical environments in the places where these religions are dominant have.
see above. i only care about the current world. 150 years ago the republicans were the "party of lincoln" and 50 some years ago the republicans were the ones pushing the civil rights act.


But then again, that may not be your main argument, I wouldn't know.
stop being sarcastic!

[Blake]

lol "could"... It rarely is, though, at least in comparison to Islam. You've been going around asking everybody "what should we do about Islam?" Let me ask you this. Why do you think Islam is used to justify violence at a rate significantly higher than any other religion, such as Christianity, even though both religions "could" be used to justify it?

because they grew up with the Koran in the house instead of the bible?

I don't really know and it's really irrelevant, tbh.


And lol at bringing up hundreds of years old crusades every time. 150 years ago the Republicans were the "party of Lincoln."

Yeah, I bring it up every time because it makes the point that fundamental Christianity is horrific.

[Blake]

it's one thing for a criminal to be Muslim and it's entirely different for him to commit his crimes in the name of his faith

And let's not pretend Muslim countries are the only 3rd world countries with poverty and general socioeconomic issues.

K, what do you propose be done about the religion of Islam here in America?

[Blake]

lol "could"... It rarely is, though...

So we agree it is. But you black knights against Islam still give Christianity a pass.

[Pelicans78]

Modern day radical Islam started after 1979 with the Iranian Revolution which led to the Saudis becoming more hardliners as well. Iran directly involved itself against Israel, created Hezbollah and helped start a civil war in Lebanon while the Saudis were paying for foreign fighters to go into Afghanistan to fight the Soviets as well as building madrasas in Pakistan which helped teach and create the Taliban in the early 90s. Once the Soviets were out of the picture, the U.S. became the target of the Al-Qaeda types in the 90s during the Gulf War when the U.S were stationed in Saudi Arabia and fighting against a soverign "Muslim" country even though that country invaded another "Muslim" country before that. Back to the Iranians, they were already targeting the U.S. in the 80s using their proxies in Lebanon whether it was bombings or kidnappings.

The tide was turning against the radical groups after 9/11 until the Iraq war created destabilization in the region as well as helping Iran by removing a hated enemy in Saddam and instead placing a new Shia gov't.

[Pelicans78]

So we agree it is. But you black knights against Islam still give it a pass.

The problem is when attacking Islam, you're painting a broad brush even though the religion is practiced in so many different ways with different sects/groups. Better to focus on the radical ones who use other sources outside of the Quran like the thousands of Hadiths compiled centuries after the religion was founded.

[I. Hustle]

https://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Mfw+religion+thread+_1faf3669a067b13bdf35436e45c64 94e.jpg

[Blake]

https://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Mfw+religion+thread+_1faf3669a067b13bdf35436e45c64 94e.jpg

Don't you have a fart joke thread to get back to

[spurraider21]

So we agree it is. But you black knights against Islam still give Christianity a pass.
No, I don't.

What exactly am I giving Christianity a pass for? The Bible says some absolutely horrific things that if followed would be catastrophic (selling disobedient daughter into slavery, etc)

But where on earth do we currently see fundamentalist Christians practicing everything the Bible says?

[spurraider21]

K, what do you propose be done about the religion of Islam here in America?
Islam in America is fine tbh, outside the the small handful of lone wolves that you can't do much about anyway.

[Blake]

No, I don't.

Yes, you do unless you're back tracking now.

"Rarely" still counts.


What exactly am I giving Christianity a pass for? The Bible says some absolutely horrific things that if followed would be catastrophic (selling disobedient daughter into slavery, etc)

But where on earth do we currently see fundamentalist Christians practicing everything the Bible says?

Are you angry about Islam itself or just the ignorant followers?

Make up your mind.

[I. Hustle]

Don't you have a fart joke thread to get back to

Is there one?! I didn't see it.

Besides, how could I miss you pretending to know all about every religion again? Tell us all the story again about how evil Christianity is but you have your daughter in a Christian school. Do you think she is going to grow up to be a right wing nut too? Or do you just have her in there so you can debate with her?

[Blake]

Islam in America is fine tbh, outside the the small handful of lone wolves that you can't do much about anyway.

K, what do you want to do about Islam outside of America?

[Blake]

Is there one?! I didn't see it.

Besides, how could I miss you pretending to know all about every religion again? Tell us all the story again about how evil Christianity is but you have your daughter in a Christian school. Do you think she is going to grow up to be a right wing nut too? Or do you just have her in there so you can debate with her?

If you're embarrassed that you can't keep up here feel the need to take a lame jab at me, that's on you.

[I. Hustle]

If you're embarrassed that you can't keep up here feel the need to take a lame jab at me, that's on you.

LMAO Keep up? You're kidding, right? Keep up with "What do you propose?" "What do you think we should do?" What are your plans?"

All you do is ask the same tired questions in every religion thread. You continue to talk down about Christianity and how horrible it is but continue to send your daughter to a school where they teach their beliefs.

How about... make up YOUR mind. If it is so horrible, why expose your child to that hateful evil religion? Why put her in a position to be exposed to beliefs that could harm her later in life?

Also, you mentioned a fart thread but failed to provide information on where said fart thread is located.

[spurraider21]

Yes, you do unless you're back tracking now.

"Rarely" still counts.
Show me giving Christians a pass after an isis-like attack



Are you angry about Islam itself or just the ignorant followers?

Make up your mind.
You're bad at the chump game tbh :lol

I'm not angry about Islam. Islam is not inherently much worse than Christianity when texts are taken literally. A bit more violent but they're all deplorable.

As I've said routinely, there is no parallel to modern radical/fundamentalist/jihadi Islam. Therefore, with even the slightest bit of deductive reasoning, you would have figured out a while ago that I take issue with the practitioners, not the religion. So the "what do we do about Islam" question is moot as far as I'm concerned.

Let me ask you, what do you think we should do about radical islam/isis? Endure until they run out of suicide dudes?

[spurraider21]

K, what do you want to do about Islam outside of America?
Love them all so they stop attacking

[DarrinS]

"Rarely" still counts.




Lulz

[Blake]

LMAO Keep up? You're kidding, right? Keep up with "What do you propose?" "What do you think we should do?" What are your plans?"

All you do is ask the same tired questions in every religion thread. You continue to talk down about Christianity and how horrible it is but continue to send your daughter to a school where they teach their beliefs.

How about... make up YOUR mind. If it is so horrible, why expose your child to that hateful evil religion? Why put her in a position to be exposed to beliefs that could harm her later in life?

Also, you mentioned a fart thread but failed to provide information on where said fart thread is located.

Lol

[Blake]

Lulz

+1

[Blake]

Love them all so they stop attacking

I'll take that as the usual shoulder shrug that comes in a thread crying about the evils of Islam.

[Blake]

it's one thing for a criminal to be Muslim and it's entirely different for him to commit his crimes in the name of his faith

And let's not pretend Muslim countries are the only 3rd world countries with poverty and general socioeconomic issues.


Show me giving Christians a pass after an isis-like attack



You're bad at the chump game tbh :lol

I'm not angry about Islam. Islam is not inherently much worse than Christianity when texts are taken literally. A bit more violent but they're all deplorable.

As I've said routinely, there is no parallel to modern radical/fundamentalist/jihadi Islam. Therefore, with even the slightest bit of deductive reasoning, you would have figured out a while ago that I take issue with the practitioners, not the religion. So the "what do we do about Islam" question is moot as far as I'm concerned.

Let me ask you, what do you think we should do about radical islam/isis? Endure until they run out of suicide dudes?

You made it about islam and now you're back tracking a bit. That's fine.

I don't think we can or should do anything about islam itself. But when these threads keep popping up about how bad islam is, I want to know

1. What the op proposes be done and
2. If op realizes the same would have to be done to Christianity

The only thing I've got is to treat isis terrorist groups like we would any other terrorist group.

[I. Hustle]

Lol

Excellent rebuttal

[spurraider21]

You made it about islam and now you're back tracking a bit. That's fine.

I don't think we can or should do anything about islam itself. But when these threads keep popping up about how bad islam is, I want to know

1. What the op proposes be done and
2. If op realizes the same would have to be done to Christianity

The only thing I've got is to treat isis terrorist groups like we would any other terrorist group.
I don't need to apologize for your lack of understanding. I'm not back tracking.

Like I said, there isn't much a difference between Christianity and Islam as far as I'm concerned. The difference is we don't see Christian practitioners mirroring what folks in isis are doing with Islam

[clambake]

you people are crazy. what if we went over there and started killing...those..folks. see how they like it

[Blake]

Excellent rebuttal

Nothing there I care to rebut. Just lol

[Blake]

I don't need to apologize for your lack of understanding. I'm not back tracking.

Like I said, there isn't much a difference between Christianity and Islam as far as I'm concerned. The difference is we don't see Christian practitioners mirroring what folks in isis are doing with Islam

I don't care if you think you weren't.

And apparently we're now on the same page so there's nothing more to discuss with you.

I'm waiting for op now and any other fat ol pedos that whine about islam what they want to do about it

[I. Hustle]

Nothing there I care to rebut. Just lol

lol

[spurraider21]

I don't care if you think you weren't.

And apparently we're now on the same page so there's nothing more to discuss with you.

I'm waiting for op now and any other fat ol pedos that whine about islam what they want to do about it
No, you're just in the Th'Pusher school of trying to pigeonhole people into a position that they don't hold just so they can fit in your wrong preconceived notion.

What do you think we should do about isis and radical islamists in general, and why do you think this phenomenon is currently uniquely that religion (by and large)

[Blake]

lol

+1

[Blake]

No, you're just in the Th'Pusher school of trying to pigeonhole people into a position that they don't hold just so they can fit in your wrong preconceived notion.

What do you think we should do about isis and radical islamists in general, and why do you think this phenomenon is currently uniquely that religion (by and large)

Lol, see now you're separating the religions out again.

I don't care about the why because I can't think of anything we can do about the why. You can't either.

Our current policy on terrorist organizations is fine by me.

[Blake]

And I like how you keep a file of poster's posting styles handy.

It's funny.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't care if you think you weren't.

And apparently we're now on the same page so there's nothing more to discuss with you.

I'm waiting for op now and any other fat ol pedos that whine about islam what they want to do about it
This thread isn't about what to do about Islam, it's simply a thread to keep all the Islamic terrorist attacks in one place instead of flooding the forum with a new one every week.

[spurraider21]

Lol, see now you're separating the religions out again.
No, the only thing happening "again" is your obvious inability to comprehend what is written. I specified islamIST which clearly references the practitioners.


I don't care about the why because I can't think of anything we can do about the why. You can't either.
Cool non answer. I'm sure you'd be much more opinionated if they were evil Christian terrorists though

And I like how you keep a file of poster's posting styles handy.

It's funny.
Interesting that my having a good memory is entertaining to you. I'm sure shiny, jingling keys keep you entertained for hours, too

[Blake]

This thread isn't about what to do about Islam, it's simply a thread to keep all the Islamic terrorist attacks in one place instead of flooding the forum with a new one every week.

So you're not keeping track of all terrorist attacks, just the Islamic ones.

...but it's not about Islam. Ok.

[Blake]

No, the only thing happening "again" is your obvious inability to comprehend what is written. I specified islamIST which clearly references the practitioners.


Cool non answer. I'm sure you'd be much more opinionated if they were evil Christian terrorists though

Interesting that my having a good memory is entertaining to you. I'm sure shiny, jingling keys keep you entertained for hours, too

I'm fine with bashing both Islam and Christianity. You guys just want to bash Islam.

I don't care if you're inconsistent like that, I'm just pointing it out.

[spurraider21]

I'm fine with bashing both Islam and Christianity. You guys just want to bash Islam.

I don't care if you're inconsistent like that, I'm just pointing it out.
So you currently don't see an imbalance between atrocities in the name of christ vs atrocities in the name of Allah?

[DarrinS]

So you currently don't see an imbalance between atrocities in the name of christ vs atrocities in the name of Allah?

Blake is like Tavis Smiley on this issue. And lol at the title of this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WxMHMcFh-s

[Blake]

So you currently don't see an imbalance between atrocities in the name of christ vs atrocities in the name of Allah?

Round and round.

Are you blaming Islam or not. Make up your mind.

[Blake]

Blake is like Tavis Smiley on this issue. And lol at the title of this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WxMHMcFh-s

What do you think should be done about Islam other than crap your pants in fear, Darrin?

[spurraider21]

Round and round.

Are you blaming Islam or not. Make up your mind.
You're not having an honest conversation. If you intend to keep it this way, then you're just making a fool of yourself. I have not blamed Islam. If you seriously think the post you quoted is me "blaming Islam" then you simply don't have the capacity to have this conversation.

It's the practitioners who are committing said atrocities. The religion isn't committing the atrocities.

Now either answer my question, or continue to dodge, continue down your path of "intellectual" dishonesty.

[Blake]

You're not having an honest conversation. If you intend to keep it this way, then you're just making a fool of yourself. I have not blamed Islam. If you seriously think the post you quoted is me "blaming Islam" then you simply don't have the capacity to have this conversation.

It's the practitioners who are committing said atrocities. The religion isn't committing the atrocities.

Now either answer my question, or continue to dodge, continue down your path of "intellectual" dishonesty.

K, so there's a greater number of terrorists yelling Allah than Christ.

Now what.

[DarrinS]

What do you think should be done about Islam other than crap your pants in fear, Darrin?

What do you think we should do about Christanity, since the evil Christians are bowing up innocent civilians on the daily?

[TheSanityAnnex]

K, so there's a greater number of terrorists yelling Allah than Christ.

Now what.
Holy shit you finally admitted it.

[spurraider21]

Holy shit you finally admitted it.
Only after editing another dodge. Came to his senses tbh :lol

[Blake]

Holy shit you finally admitted it.


Only after editing another dodge. Came to his senses tbh :lol

Holy shit I didn't realize you wanted me to admit common knowledge. If we discuss water are you gonna demand that I admit it's wet before we move on?

Are you guys now gonna discuss what you think should be done or are you gonna just hold up victory trophies?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Holy shit I didn't realize you wanted me to admit common knowledge. If we discuss water are you gonna demand that I admit it's wet before we move on?

Are you guys now gonna discuss what you think should be done or are you gonna just hold up victory trophies?
I've already told you what I think should be done. It is not my victory trophy, but I'll stand proudly with tears in my eyes when spurraider hoists it :cry

[Blake]

I've already told you what I think should be done.

Nope, we went over that. You talked about vetting refugees, nothing about vetting Islam.

Page 7 and you still don't know what to do other than post a wall of stats

[QuoteI'll stand proudly with tears in my eyes when spurraider hoists it :cry[/quote]

I'm sure.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nope, we went over that. You talked about vetting refugees, nothing about vetting Islam.

Page 7 and you still don't know what to do other than post a wall of stats
The fact that I can post a wall of stats on Islamic terror speaks volumes

[DarrinS]

What does Blake think should be done? Even though this thread was never about that.

[DarrinS]

It's a very ChumpDunpter-esque technique. Where is that faggot, btw?

[Blake]

The fact that I can post a wall of stats on Islamic terror speaks volumes

See, you're labeling the terror as Islamic without saying what that really means compared to "other" terror.

[Blake]

What does Blake think should be done? Even though this thread was never about that.

I've already said, I'm okay with our current policies on terror.

Very Darrinesque to reverse ask the question without answering.

[spurraider21]

See, you're labeling the terror as Islamic without saying what that really means compared to "other" terror.
the motive?

[Blake]

the motive?

Is that a question or a statement?

I don't think motive is important but I'd like to hear why you think it is.

[Splits]

Muslim cleric killed, second man wounded in New York shooting: reports

A Muslim imam was killed and a second man was critically wounded on Saturday while walking home from afternoon prayers at a mosque in the New York City borough of Queens, according to media reports that cited witnesses to the shooting.

Tiffany Phillips, a spokeswoman for the New York Police Department, confirmed that two men in their 50's were shot on a street in the Ozone Park section of Queens.

One of them was killed and the second was gravely wounded, but Phillips declined to provide any more information about their identities.

Police have yet to identify a suspect and the motive was still unknown, she said.

The shooting took place at about 2 p.m. EDT (02:00 p.m. EDT) two blocks from the Al-Furqan Jame Masjid Mosque, where the two men had worshiped, New York's NBC television reported. The iman was killed and the second man was wounded, it said on its website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-shooting-idUSKCN10O0X4

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-shooting-idUSKCN10O0X4
Sunni vs Shia tbh

[Pelicans78]

Sunni vs Shia tbh

Covering your ass with that one.

[Avante]

Imagine tribes in todays world. They still have tribes over there in those backward countries. All we are seeing is a primitive/backward world with all that old out dated viciouness that was fine in the 7th century but looks stupid today.

It is funny is watching people trying to defend the violence, I always wonder if they are deaf dunb and blind.

I predicted a week wouldn't go by that we didn't hear of Islam and violence....bingo~! When was the last time a week went by without Islam and some violence?

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-shooting-idUSKCN10O0X4 Splits you may finally be getting the hang of this thread after all, after all most Imams are killed by fellow Muslims.

sketch of suspect
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxtp9qxqt.jpeg

Police said witnesses described the shooter as a man with a medium complexion.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Covering your ass with that one.
just playing the odds

[Pelicans78]

just playing the odds

Nah, you're covering your ass. The imam was from a Sunni mosque and no signs of any shia issues going on. Nice try buddy, but we all know where your biases lie. Asshole.

[Pelicans78]

Imagine tribes in todays world. They still have tribes over there in those backward countries. All we are seeing is a primitive/backward world with all that old out dated viciouness that was fine in the 7th century but looks stupid today.

It is funny is watching people trying to defend the violence, I always wonder if they are deaf dunb and blind.

I predicted a week wouldn't go by that we didn't hear of Islam and violence....bingo~! When was the last time a week went by without Islam and some violence?

Hey fatty, when a muslim leader is shot by an unknown person, is that still Islamic violence or are you just shooting your pedo face off just to give your worthless opinion?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nah, you're covering your ass. The imam was from a Sunni mosque and no signs of any shia issues going on. Nice try buddy, but we all know where your biases lie. Asshole.
Taking a guess that a fellow Muslim killed the Imam is not bias, it is simply going with the most likely conclusion considering the odds.

According to witnesses it doesn't look like its the white NRA racist Trump supporter Splits was hoping for.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nah, you're covering your ass. The imam was from a Sunni mosque and no signs of any shia issues going on. Nice try buddy, but we all know where your biases lie. Asshole.
Serious question, have you done any research into the Mosque he ran? I have not even looked into it, just wondering if this is one that has ties to supporting/preaching terrorism.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Splits you may finally be getting the hang of this thread after all, after all most Imams are killed by fellow Muslims.

sketch of suspect
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxtp9qxqt.jpeg

Police said witnesses described the shooter as a man with a medium complexion.

Could've been Schlomo letting Muslims know who's territory they're in

http://i.imgur.com/N0Invpk.jpg

[Pelicans78]

Serious question, have you done any research into the Mosque he ran? I have not even looked into it, just wondering if this is one that has ties to supporting/preaching terrorism.

Actually I did when you put up your stupid Shia/Sunni angle which is not common in this country. It's a sunni mosque you dumbass. Instead of shooting your mouth off, why don't you research it.

And what are the odds that a fellow muslim kills an imam? Tell me that one smartass and don't copy it and paste like your lazy ass normally does.

[Pelicans78]

Could've been Schlomo letting Muslims know who's territory they're in

http://i.imgur.com/N0Invpk.jpg

I'm going with this angle as well. It's more politically correct in the Muslim world.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Actually I did when you put up your stupid Shia/Sunni angle which is not common in this country. It's a sunni mosque you dumbass. Instead of shooting your mouth off, why don't you research it. the Sunni vs Shia was sarcastic, I thought the "tbh" made that clear guess not.


And what are the odds that a fellow muslim kills an imam? Tell me that one smartass and don't copy it and paste like your lazy ass normally does.Instead of shooting your mouth off, why don't you research it.

[Pelicans78]

the Sunni vs Shia was sarcastic, I thought the "tbh" made that clear guess not.

Instead of shooting your mouth off, why don't you research it.

Because you're the dumbass making blanket statements.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Because you're the dumbass making blanket statements.
Lazy ass.

[DarrinS]

Well done :clap


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HcUWjO1vY

[Splits]

Surveillance video captures moment imam, associate were fatally shot near Queens mosque

http://pix11.com/2016/08/14/surveillance-video-captures-moment-imam-associate-were-fatally-shot-near-queens-mosque/#ooid=tpdGpiNTE6Qcc9A-xXbUZbz-UaMRGIK- (http://pix11.com/2016/08/14/surveillance-video-captures-moment-imam-associate-were-fatally-shot-near-queens-mosque/#ooid=tpdGpiNTE6Qcc9A-xXbUZbz-UaMRGIK-)

[Splits]

'Islam for Dummies': IS recruits have poor grasp of faith

By AYA BATRAWY (http://bigstory.ap.org/content/aya-batrawy), PAISLEY DODDS (http://bigstory.ap.org/content/paisley-dodds) and LORI HINNANT (http://bigstory.ap.org/author/lori-hinnant)


Aug. 15, 2016 4:13 PM EDT

The jihadi employment form asked the recruits, on a scale of 1 to 3, to rate their knowledge of Islam. And the Islamic State applicants, herded into a hangar somewhere at the Syria-Turkey border, turned out to be overwhelmingly ignorant.

The extremist group could hardly have hoped for better.

At the height of Islamic State's drive for foot soldiers in 2013 and 2014, typical recruits included the group of Frenchmen who went bar-hopping with their recruiter back home, the recent European convert who now hesitantly describes himself as gay, and two Britons who ordered "The Koran for Dummies" and "Islam for Dummies" :lmao from Amazon to prepare for jihad abroad. Their intake process complete, they were grouped in safe houses as a stream of Islamic State imams came in to indoctrinate them, according to court testimony and interviews by The Associated Press.

"I realized that I was in the wrong place when they began to ask me questions on these forms like 'when you die, who should we call?'" said the 32-year-old European recruit, speaking to the AP on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. He said he thought he was joining a group to fight President Bashar Assad and help Syrians, not the Islamic State.

The European, whose boyish demeanor makes him appear far younger than his age, went to Syria in 2014. He said new recruits were shown IS propaganda videos on Islam, and the visiting imams repeatedly praised martyrdom. Far from home, unschooled in religion, having severed family ties and turned over electronic devices, most were in little position to judge.

An AP analysis of thousands of leaked Islamic State documents reveals most of its recruits from its earliest days came with only the most basic knowledge of Islam. A little more than 3,000 of these documents included the recruits' knowledge of Shariah, the system that interprets into law verses from the Quran and "hadith" — the sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad.

According to the documents, which were acquired by the Syrian opposition site Zaman al-Wasl and shared with the AP, 70 percent of recruits were listed as having just "basic" knowledge of Shariah — the lowest possible choice. Around 24 percent were categorized as having an "intermediate" knowledge, with just 5 percent considered advanced students of Islam. Five recruits were listed as having memorized the Quran. :lol

The findings address one of the most troubling questions about IS recruitment in the United States and Europe: Are disaffected people who understand Shariah more prone to radicalization? Or are those with little knowledge of Islam more susceptible to the group's radical ideas that promote violence?

The documents suggest the latter. The group preys on this religious ignorance, allowing extremists to impose a brand of Islam constructed to suit its goal of maximum territorial expansion and carnage as soon as recruits come under its sway.

Islamic State's most notorious new supporters appear to have an equally tenuous link with religion. Mohamed Lahouaiyej Bouhlel, who killed 85 people by plowing a truck into a Bastille Day crowd in Nice, France, was described by family and neighbors as indifferent to religion, volatile and prone to drinking sprees, with a bent for salsa dancing and a reported male lover.

Unlike Omar Mateen, the Orlando attacker, Bouhlel did not make a public declaration of allegiance to Islamic State, much less prove he had direct ties to extremists in the war zone. Still, the group was quick to claim both as foot soldiers.
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The AP analyzed the IS entry form documents of around 4,030 foreign recruits who crossed into Syria when the group was rapidly expanding and seizing territory in Iraq and Syria in 2013 and 2014. At that time, the CIA estimated the extremist group had between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters across Iraq and Syria.

Among the documents were forms for nine of 10 young men from the eastern French city of Strasbourg, all recruited by a man named Mourad Fares. One of them, Karim Mohammad-Aggad, described barhopping in Germany with Fares. He told investigators that IS recruiters used "smooth talk" to persuade him.

He'd traveled with his younger brother and friends to Syria in late 2013. Two died in Syria, and within a few months, seven returned to France and were arrested. Mohammad-Aggad's brother, 23-year-old Foued, returned to Paris and was one of the three men who stormed the Bataclan in a night of attacks Nov. 13 that killed 130 people.

"My religious beliefs had nothing to do with my departure," Karim Mohammad-Aggad told the court, before being sentenced to nine years in prison. "Islam was used to trap me like a wolf," he said.

IS data shows Karim and his brother Foued were among eight in the Strasbourg group listed as having "basic" knowledge of Sharia.
Expressing a common sentiment shared by many Europeans of North African descent, Mohammed-Aggad told the court he felt like an immigrant in Algeria and "a dirty Arab" in France. After just a few months in Syria, he said he left IS because he was treated by the extremists as an "apostate" — someone who had renounced his religion.

When pressed by the judge on his knowledge of Shariah and how the IS group implements it, Mohammad-Aggad, a former gas station attendant, appeared dumbfounded, saying repeatedly: "I don't have the knowledge to answer the question."

One of his co-defendants, Radouane Taher, was also pressed by the judge on whether beheadings carried out by the IS group conformed to Islamic law.

He couldn't say for sure, answering: "I don't have the credentials."

That's where Amazon comes in.

The trial of longtime friends Mohammed Ahmed and Yusuf Sarwar, from the British city of Birmingham, revealed the 22-year-olds had ordered "The Koran for Dummies" and "Islam for Dummies" books in preparation for their trip to join extremists in Syria. They were arrested on their return to Britain and convicted in 2014 of terrorism offenses.

Patrick Skinner, a former CIA case officer with extensive experience with Mideast extremist organizations, said some people claim allegiance to IS out of religious belief, but that most who join, including those from the West, are people "reaching for a sense of belonging, a sense of notoriety, a sense of excitement."

"Religion is an afterthought," said Skinner, who is also director of special projects at security consultancy the Soufan Group.

Those who truly crave religious immersion would go to Al-Azhar in Cairo, he added, referring to the thousand-year-old seat of learning for Shariah and Quranic studies.

In its recent English language magazine Dabiq, dedicated largely to bolstering its own Muslim credentials, Islamic State dismissed Al-Azhar as part of an "approach to subdue Muslims through appeasement," with the West.

Mohammed Abdelfadel, an Islamic scholar who heads a German-language unit at Al-Azhar that tracks Islamic State propaganda and statements, said the group spews superficial notions about what is "halal and haram," or what is permissible and forbidden in Islam. He says the group's propaganda videos lionize IS fighters as masculine, strong martyrs going to heaven for the sake of God — counter to Islamic laws that forbid terrorism, the murder of non-combatants in war, the imposition of Islam on non-Muslims and other criminal activity.
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The recruits' Shariah knowledge is important because IS not only needs soldiers and suicide bombers, but administrators and Shariah officials to oversee its local courts and judges, who in turn promote IS ideology.

It also matters because those who've claimed advanced knowledge in Shariah on the IS entry documents were less likely to want to become suicide bombers, according to a study by the U.S. military's Combating Terrorism Center, an academic institution at the United States Military Academy.
"If martyrdom is seen as the highest religious calling, then a reasonable expectation would be that the people with the most knowledge about Islamic law (Shariah) would desire to carry out these operations with greater frequency," said the report.

However, despite the religious justification that IS uses for suicide missions, "those with the most religious knowledge within the organization itself are the least likely to volunteer to be suicide bombers," the study found.

Islamic scholar Tariq Ramadan said a close look at the IS group's top commanders shows that many had no religious credentials but, instead, they once held senior positions under Saddam Hussein's secular Baathist government.

Ramadan teaches Islamic Studies at Oxford and has written numerous books on Islam and the integration of Muslims in Europe. He says Muslim scholars must demonstrate that what IS teaches is wrong.

"The people who are doing this are not experiencing martyrdom, they are criminals. They are killing innocent people. Nothing in Islam, nothing ever can justify the killing of innocent people, never, ever."

The gay European recruit said he converted to Islam because he was interested in the culture and it was easy.

"It only required one prayer and no prior understanding of Islam," he said. "There was no hierarchy and it was all about living a good life."

As a convert with almost no knowledge in Islam, he says he was easy prey.

"People like me were tricked into something that they didn't understand. I never meant to end up with IS."



http://bigstory.ap.org/9f94ff7f1e294118956b049a51548b33

[Splits]

765557150320066560

[Clipper Nation]

Radical cleric Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support
One of the UK's most notorious radical clerics has been convicted of inviting others to support the so-called Islamic State, it can now be reported.
Police said Anjem Choudary, 49, had stayed "just within the law" for years, but was arrested in 2014 after pledging allegiance to the militant group.
Many people tried for serious terror offences were influenced by his lectures and speeches, police said.
Choudary was convicted alongside confidant Mohammed Mizanur Rahman.
Counter-terrorism chiefs have spent almost 20 years trying to bring Choudary, a father of five, to trial, blaming him, and the proscribed organisations which he helped to run, for radicalising young men and women.
Both men were charged with one offence of inviting support for IS - which is contrary to section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/12) - between 29 June 2014 and 6 March 2015.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37098751

[DarrinS]

765557150320066560

Why is this here?

[Splits]

Why is this here?

Suicide mass murder. Figured he must have been Radical Islamic Terrorist

[diego]

So you currently don't see an imbalance between atrocities in the name of christ vs atrocities in the name of Allah?

You are only capable of seeing your own side. Im atheist, but I can imagine how they see it. Your perception of what is an atrocity and who it is done for is not the only one. Us retaliation to 911 was straight barbaric, disastrous and deadly to this day for every party involved, that's without even getting into pre911 atrocities. In X amount of months, another leak will come out and we'll find out that in the past year hundreds of drone strikes have killed upwards of 100 civilians, is that an atrocity or not? Is it their fault for being there? Those 160 children killed in Pakistan alone, 2006-2011, should have wised up and left the country?
The jihadists kill 10 people in a shooting and make sure everyone seed and they get their "credit". The US bombs whoever they want from far away and hides behind national security and media mouthpieces about collateral damage. Your collateral damage is their atrocity, if you choose not to see it that's your problem.

[spurraider21]

You are only capable of seeing your own side. Im atheist, but I can imagine how they see it. Your perception of what is an atrocity and who it is done for is not the only one. Us retaliation to 911 was straight barbaric, disastrous and deadly to this day for every party involved, that's without even getting into pre911 atrocities. In X amount of months, another leak will come out and we'll find out that in the past year hundreds of drone strikes have killed upwards of 100 civilians, is that an atrocity or not? Is it their fault for being there? Those 160 children killed in Pakistan alone, 2006-2011, should have wised up and left the country?
The jihadists kill 10 people in a shooting and make sure everyone seed and they get their "credit". The US bombs whoever they want from far away and hides behind national security and media mouthpieces about collateral damage. Your collateral damage is their atrocity, if you choose not to see it that's your problem.
is america using drone strikes with religious motivations in the name of jesus?

do they intentionally seek out innocent civilians?

[DarrinS]

is america using drone strikes with religious motivations in the name of jesus?

do they intentionally seek out innocent civilians?

intent is lost on these people -- false equivalence

[Blake]

is america using drone strikes with religious motivations in the name of jesus?

do they intentionally seek out innocent civilians?

Oh, well that makes me feel better about the Iraqi invasion

[Splits]

is america using drone strikes with religious motivations in the name of jesus?

do they intentionally seek out innocent civilians?

I would venture to say that the victims and the majority of their fellow citizens believe the answer to both of those questions is "yes".

Politicians constantly talk about the US as a "Christian Nation". Bush said God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the top US Generals said "As a Christian, I believe that there is a spiritual war that is continuous as articulated in the Bible. It is not confined to the war of terrorism".

The sheer volume of innocents killed in our freedom bombs and the inevitable "collateral damage" they cause would lead them to infer that, if not intentionally attacking civilians, at the minimum complete disregard for them. Add in "signature strikes", repeated bombing of wedding parties and hostpitals, "double tap" strikes, yeah, I could see how they would think we target innocents.

[Blake]

intent is lost on these people -- false equivalence

What's the intent of Islam that scares you?

[spurraider21]

I would venture to say that the victims and the majority of their fellow citizens believe the answer to both of those questions is "yes".

Politicians constantly talk about the US as a "Christian Nation". Bush said God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the top US Generals said "As a Christian, I believe that there is a spiritual war that is continuous as articulated in the Bible. It is not confined to the war of terrorism".

The sheer volume of innocents killed in our freedom bombs and the inevitable "collateral damage" they cause would lead them to infer that, if not intentionally attacking civilians, at the minimum complete disregard for them. Add in "signature strikes", repeated bombing of wedding parties and hostpitals, "double tap" strikes, yeah, I could see how they would think we target innocents.
Bush was also adamant that we were not at war with Islam or any religion

[Pelicans78]

is america using drone strikes with religious motivations in the name of jesus?

do they intentionally seek out innocent civilians?

The current strikes are not religious motivation, but the war in Iraq was a clear Judeo-Christian assault on a soverign Muslim nation with no just cause.

[Blake]

Bush was also adamant that we were not at war with Islam or any religion

Do you think he should have made it a war against Islam?

It would have wiped out their motive!

[DarrinS]

What's the intent of Islam that scares you?

Learn the difference between Islam and Islamism. #notAll

[Spurminator]

Learn the difference between Islam and Islamism. #notAll

I'm not sure you're telling that to the right people.

https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/attachment-5.jpg

[spurraider21]

Do you think he should have made it a war against Islam?
Absolutely not. I never even implied this


It would have wiped out their motive!
No, it wouldn't. It would have been disastrous and made everybody less safe

[Blake]

Learn the difference between Islam and Islamism. #notAll

Why does it matter to you?

[Blake]

Absolutely not. I never even implied this


No, it wouldn't. It would have been disastrous and made everybody less safe

Well then what do you think should be done about Islam? You clearly think it's a problem.

[DarrinS]

Well then what do you think should be done about Islam? You clearly think it's a problem.


It should be reformed so it doesnt produce such large number of Islamists

[Blake]

It should be reformed so it doesnt produce such large number of Islamists

:lol and what is anyone gonna do if they don't reform it to your standards? Start another Islamist Justice Warrior thread?

[DarrinS]

:lol and what is anyone gonna do if they don't reform it to your standards? Start another Islamist Justice Warrior thread?


Or, just accept regular jihadist attacks as the new normal.

[Blake]

Or, just accept regular jihadist attacks as the new normal.

You prefer non-jihadist attacks? You don't make any sense.

[spurraider21]

Well then what do you think should be done about Islam? You clearly think it's a problem.
Getting tired of dealing with your nonstop intellectual dishonesty. I've been clear as can be that the religion isn't the problem. You keep coming back to that, though.

[Pelicans78]

Getting tired of dealing with your nonstop intellectual dishonesty. I've been clear as can be that the religion isn't the problem. You keep coming back to that, though.

BTW, I'm going opening day to the Raiders-Saints game. Should be a fun game.

[Blake]

Getting tired of dealing with your nonstop intellectual dishonesty. I've been clear as can be that the religion isn't the problem. You keep coming back to that, though.

You're the one that brought up "motive?". If that and your other questions don't imply problem, then I don't know what would.

It's tiring trying to keep up with your fence riding questions/blurbs so why not spit out exactly what you think here so we can have an honest discussion.

[DarrinS]

You're the one that brought up "motive?". If that and your other questions don't imply problem, then I don't know what would.

It's tiring trying to keep up with your fence riding questions/blurbs so why not spit out exactly what you think here so we can have an honest discussion.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsVONO75utI

[spurraider21]

You're the one that brought up "motive?". If that and your other questions don't imply problem, then I don't know what would.

It's tiring trying to keep up with your fence riding questions/blurbs so why not spit out exactly what you think here so we can have an honest discussion.
You could just as easily have jeebotard murderous crusaders who have misguided religious motives. That doesn't mean I'd "blame Christianity." I'd blame the practitioners, as I am doing now. I've been incredibly consistent with this position, and the fact that you keep getting confused about this tells me you simply lack either the mental capacity or intellectual honesty to make this worth my time

The world has a place for Islam like it does any other religion. The world has no place for radicals that terrorize innocents in the name of said religion (whether it be crusaders of hundreds of years ago, Spanish inquisitors, or today's isis and related groups). I know it gets your panties in a bunch, but currently, this phenomenon is seen almost exclusively from one religion.

[Avante]

Anybody who has read the Koran knows what the messge is there for non believers. So to say all that violence isn't about that religion is stupid, hell yes it is, violence towards jews, christians, non believers is Islam. The Koran is full of...punish, punish, kill, behead, chop off finger tips and arms and legs, all that because a person has other beliefs.

Islam is an outdated, primitive load of violent bullshit, anyone nor seeing that knows nothing at Islam.

[Blake]

You could just as easily have jeebotard murderous crusaders who have misguided religious motives. That doesn't mean I'd "blame Christianity." I'd blame the practitioners, as I am doing now. I've been incredibly consistent with this position, and the fact that you keep getting confused about this tells me you simply lack either the mental capacity or intellectual honesty to make this worth my time

The world has a place for Islam like it does any other religion. The world has no place for radicals that terrorize innocents in the name of said religion (whether it be crusaders of hundreds of years ago, Spanish inquisitors, or today's isis and related groups).

Yeah I agree with all that.

I even said a nearly identical line on using the bible the same way as the koran to which you replied "lol"



I know it gets your panties in a bunch, but currently, this phenomenon is seen almost exclusively from one religion.

See, you said all that above only to top it off with this. What's the point of you noting this?



It's OK, you don't need to answer with another rant about me. We'll just agree to disagree who is being obtuse and intellectually dishonest here.

[Splits]

Man’s ‘unusual fixation’ with Lebanese neighbors led to killing, Tulsa police say

By Michael E. Miller (http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/michael-e-miller)August 16

Khalid Jabara was worried.

Last year, his mother had been jogging through the family’s quiet Tulsa neighborhood when she was nearly killed in a vicious hit-and-run. Police quickly arrested Vernon Majors, who, according to a police report, confessed to the crime and even offered a motive, calling the Jabaras “filthy Lebanese.”

On May 25 of this year, however, Majors bonded out of jail.

That’s when he returned home — right next to the Jabaras.

On Friday, Khalid learned that his next-door neighbor, the man accused of harassing his family and attacking his mother, was now armed.

“Khalid called the police stating this man had a gun and that he was scared for what might happen,” his sister, Victoria Jabara Williams, wrote on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/victoria.jabara/posts/10153714908035906). “The police came and told him there was nothing to be done.”

Minutes later, Khalid was talking on the phone with his mother when he stepped outside to get the mail.

Majors was waiting for him, police say.

The 61-year-old opened fire, fatally wounding the 37-year-old Khalid, according to police.

“This certainly is a tragedy … but this is not a whodunit,” Tulsa Police Sgt. Dave Walker told The Washington Post, citing one eyewitness account as well as the history of problems between Majors and his Lebanese neighbors.

What is a mystery, at least to the Jabara family, is why Majors was released from jail 10 weeks ago.

...

“He repeatedly attacked our ethnicity and perceived religion, making racist comments,” Victoria Jabara Williams wrote on Facebook. “He often called us ‘dirty Arabs,’ ‘filthy Lebanese,’ ‘Aye-rabs,’ and ‘Mooslems.’ ”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/16/mans-unusual-fixation-with-lebanese-neighbors-led-to-murder-tulsa-police-say/

Sunni vs. Shia?

[I. Hustle]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/16/mans-unusual-fixation-with-lebanese-neighbors-led-to-murder-tulsa-police-say/

Sunni vs. Shia?

Why does he care what those two women do in the privacy of their home? People need to get over this gay and Lebanese shit. Two dudes might be disgusting but two lebaneseans might be nice. Even though some of them go over the top and try too hard to look like dudes.

[spurraider21]

Yeah I agree with all that.

I even said a nearly identical line on using the bible the same way as the koran to which you replied "lol"



See, you said all that above only to top it off with this. What's the point of you noting this?



It's OK, you don't need to answer with another rant about me. We'll just agree to disagree who is being obtuse and intellectually dishonest here.
It's not inconsistent with my position at all. Even by pointing out the numbers, I'm still not assigning blame to Islam itself. Like I said to qualify that line, I know it gets your panties in a bunch

[Blake]

It's not inconsistent with my position at all. Even by pointing out the numbers, I'm still not assigning blame to Islam itself. Like I said to qualify that line, I know it gets your panties in a bunch

It doesn't really bother me that you are dodging my request to explain the point of your blurbs about the Islamic "phenomenon". I'm just here for discussion fun.

We'll just have to agree to disagree as to who is wearing bunched up panties

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Splits you may finally be getting the hang of this thread after all, after all most Imams are killed by fellow Muslims.

sketch of suspect
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxtp9qxqt.jpeg

Police said witnesses described the shooter as a man with a medium complexion.



Update killer is a spic
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/16/05/3747083A00000578-3740941-image-a-23_1471322479469.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/brooklyn-man-charged-in-fatal-shootings-of-imam-maulama-akonjee-and-his-assistant/]

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Blake you might like these

http://i.imgur.com/UoK3wjp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GdviA3D.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wp1Mf5L.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xWzMXGp.jpg

[spurraider21]

Yeah I agree with all that.

I even said a nearly identical line on using the bible the same way as the koran to which you replied "lol"



See, you said all that above only to top it off with this. What's the point of you noting this?



It's OK, you don't need to answer with another rant about me. We'll just agree to disagree who is being obtuse and intellectually dishonest here.
So you're agreeing to disagree that my position is that I do not blame Islam... Even though I have outright said (several times) that I don't blame Islam.

Lol

[Blake]

We're agreeing to disagree who is obtuse and panty bunched.

Your second dodge is duly noted for entertainment purposes.

Lol.

[diego]

Getting tired of dealing with your nonstop intellectual dishonesty. I've been clear as can be that the religion isn't the problem. You keep coming back to that, though.
...
Even by pointing out the numbers, I'm still not assigning blame to Islam itself.

wow, intellectual dishonesty, if religion isnt the problem why do you insist on your little thesis that more atrocities in the name of god islamists outnumber (even) more atrocities not so explicitly in the name of god?

again, where are they from? The US generously "bringing democracy" actually brought death, on a far larger scale than any jihadi since OBL. That is why your terrorists are all connected to those regions. The recruits want revenge, thats why you dont have people from mali or senegal, despite being very muslim countries. Your media tells you they're the bad guys, theirs tell them you're the bad guys. The same way you paint all muslims with the same brush, they paint all westerners with the same brush. But according to you, its not all the blood spilled in an illegal, universally condemned war by 95% of the planet that is radicalizing a tiny percent of muslims, its just being muslim by itself- afterall they produce more extremists, MY atrocity counter said so :rolleyes.

There are terrorists from the middle east for the same reason there were terrorists everywhere else. You are at war with them, remember? Did you expect them to not fight back?

[Clipper Nation]

LOL at libcucks blaming the US for radical Islamic terrorism, as if they weren't killing and terrorizing each other long before the West ever got involved in the Middle East. And last I checked, the Barbary Pirates fired the first salvo.

[spurraider21]

wow, intellectual dishonesty, if religion isnt the problem why do you insist on your little thesis that more atrocities in the name of god islamists outnumber (even) more atrocities not so explicitly in the name of god?
I'm not blaming Islam itself. My view is generally negative about religion as a whole, not limited to Islam. However, there is room for Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc in this world as long as their practitioners don't go overboard with it.

I don't think Islam is inherently "worse" than other religions. But that doesn't mean I need to ignore the fact that in the current world, more atrocities are committed by members of islam than other religions. It's a matter of stating and acknowledging a fact, not a matter of my hatred of islam

[Pelicans78]

Dalihah Muhammd wins the gold in 400 meters.

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiLi8GJ6M3OAhVIfiYKHbU5Bh8QqQIIPjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcolympics.com%2Fvideo%2Fdal ilah-muhammad-takes-gold-400m-hurdles&usg=AFQjCNFiT5srdPAFRro-V8EbtG9qAQByUA&bvm=bv.129759880,d.eWE)

[Blake]

I'm not blaming Islam itself. My view is generally negative about religion as a whole, not limited to Islam. However, there is room for Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc in this world as long as their practitioners don't go overboard with it.

I don't think Islam is inherently "worse" than other religions. But that doesn't mean I need to ignore the fact that in the current world, more atrocities are committed by members of islam than other religions. It's a matter of stating and acknowledging a fact, not a matter of my hatred of islam

What's the point of pointing out that more atrocities are committed by members of Islam?

[spurraider21]

What's the point of pointing out that more atrocities are committed by members of Islam?
The fact that it takes pages of dialogue just for you to acknowledge it makes part my point. You're too consumed about being "fair to islam" and making sure we don't forget how bad Christianity is to look at the picture as is.

[boutons_deux]

is america using drone strikes with religious motivations in the name of jesus?

do they intentionally seek out innocent civilians?

Innocent Muslims, women, chilldren, slaughtered IN THEIR COUNTRY by American drones don't care about motives, only the results.

All this Muslim terror and Americans' loss of safety is 100% your "Christian" Repugs invading Iraq for BigOil, NOT on Muslim religion.

[Blake]

The fact that it takes pages of dialogue just for you to acknowledge it makes part my point. You're too consumed about being "fair to islam" and making sure we don't forget how bad Christianity is to look at the picture as is.

It's pages of deflection tbh.

I've asked what's the point of you and op noting Islamic terrorism vs other terrorism and still haven't got an answer.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's pages of deflection tbh.

I've asked what's the point of you and op noting Islamic terrorism vs other terrorism and still haven't got an answer.it took 19 pages for you to finally admit that Islamic terrorism is more prevalent than any form :lol deflection

Islamic terrorism happens more often than any other form of terrorism. If some other group decides to ramp up their efforts and take the crown I'll be sure to start a thread to track all of the attacks.

[clambake]

would anyone have a problem if the victims were all 1%ers?

[DisAsTerBot]

I'm not blaming Islam itself. My view is generally negative about religion as a whole, not limited to Islam. However, there is room for Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc in this world as long as their practitioners don't go overboard with it.

I don't think Islam is inherently "worse" than other religions. But that doesn't mean I need to ignore the fact that in the current world, more atrocities are committed by members of islam than other religions. It's a matter of stating and acknowledging a fact, not a matter of my hatred of islam

the bombings and drone strikes of those middle eastern countries are mainly committed by members of christianity. That death toll far outnumbers terrorist strikes.

[clambake]

the bombings and drone strikes of those middle eastern countries are mainly committed by members of christianity. That death toll far outnumbers terrorist strikes.

how dare you. go back where you came from.

[Blake]

it took 19 pages for you to finally admit that Islamic terrorism is more prevalent than any form :lol deflection

Islamic terrorism happens more often than any other form of terrorism. If some other group decides to ramp up their efforts and take the crown I'll be sure to start a thread to track all of the attacks.

I never denied it. What's the point of tracking Islamic terrorism though vs all terrorist activity?

[Avante]

Holy fuck! This is retard level stuff here. You should really just kill yourself, you have no business stealing oxygen from thinking people.


Retard level stuff is ignoring what Islam really is all about. Which is world dominance and if people won't join them then ya kill them.

Let me guess, now you are confused.

You can open up the Koran to any page and somewhere there you will find something about punishment. THAT...is that sick bullshit called Islam.

Imagine reading...cut off arms and legs from seperate sides of the body.....in a book about religion.

[Avante]

I;m amazed at how many people can't see the violence, the overwelming amount of violence because of a mad man from the 7th century. How many people have to die before some of you...."yep, Islam is nothing more than a violent load of crap"....well?

Read the Koran, there it al is....kill, chop, PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH, burn, chop off finger tips, chop off legs, chop off arms, chop off heads. It all right there page after page. Not hard to see why we see the violence we do from Islam, violence is Islam.

Some of you people need to read the book, stop acting stupid because of your ignorance.

Tons of this kind of thing. So if others won't buy into your bullshit ya chop off their head, AND...finger tips. Come on people ya don't get this sick shit?

So if a person simply doesn't want to be a Muslim and follow Allah, ya need to chop off their head? And while at it get those finger tips for no real reason. Hahahahahahahaha~~~~~~~~ Come on people, stop acting stupid, ok?


Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

[TheSanityAnnex]

I never denied it. What's the point of tracking Islamic terrorism though vs all terrorist activity?

If you don't like me pointing it out don't come in this thread. Or start your counter thread and track all other terrorist activity.

[Avante]

Google...Islam and violence.

youtube...Islam and violence.

You could spend a year 24 hours a day reading/watching all the stuff there about this sick shit. Why is that?

Tons and tons and tons of....



Quran (2:216) (http://www.spurstalk.com/quran/noble/sura2.html#216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans (http://www.spurstalk.com/pages/muhammad/raid-caravans.aspx) for loot.

Quran (3:56) (http://www.spurstalk.com/quran/noble/sura3.html#56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) (http://www.spurstalk.com/quran/noble/sura3.html#151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) (http://www.spurstalk.com/quran/noble/sura4.html#74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.


How could anyone not get this?

[Blake]

If you don't like me pointing it out don't come in this thread. Or start your counter thread and track all other terrorist activity.

I don't really care that you're posting about it. I'm just asking why and if it's a problem, what we can do about Islam.

Why are you so defensive when asked why you started this thread?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't really care that you're posting about it. I'm just asking why and if it's a problem, what we can do about Islam.

Why are you so defensive when asked why you started this thread?You do care or you wouldn't have 100+ white knight posts ITT.

I'm not here to figure out what to do about Islam, I'm simply tracking the attacks committed in it's name.

[Blake]

I'm simply tracking the attacks committed in it's name.

What's the point?

[TheSanityAnnex]

What's the point?
lol to track them.

You have your own thread dedicated to discussing what to do about Islam, run along and let me get back to tracking.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Religion of peace again

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-terror-attacks-news-latest-russia-moscow-balashikha-police-gun-axe-allegiance-video-chechen-a7198731.html

ISIS claims first terrorist attack in Russia

Isis (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/isis)has claimed its first terror attack on Russian soil after two supporters attempted to murder police officers near Moscow (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Moscow).
Both of the men were killed during the assault at a traffic post on a motorway in Balashika on Wednesday, when they were armed with a gun and two axes.

[Blake]

lol to track them.

You have your own thread dedicated to discussing what to do about Islam, run along and let me get back to tracking.

What's the point of tracking them? Why Islam?

[TheSanityAnnex]

What's the point of tracking them? Why Islam?
I figured I could put them all in one thread and consolidate them instead of starting a new thread every time. Why Islam? Because currently Islamic terrorists groups are carrying out attacks much more often than other terrorists groups. When another group decides to step it up and match the amount of attacks that group will get their own thread. Don't hold your breath though.

[spurraider21]

the bombings and drone strikes of those middle eastern countries are mainly committed by members of christianity. That death toll far outnumbers terrorist strikes.
:lol "by members of Christianity"

The tangential fact that they are Christian isn't relevant there, though. If their being Christian led to their bombings, it would be different. Motive, etc. Otherwise you can keep any arbitrary tally like "how many shootings are done by people named Steve" or "how many murderers have facial hair."

[Splits]

Question to the bedwetters: was Nice a Radical Islamic Terrorist attack? Orlando?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Question to the bedwetters: was Nice a Radical Islamic Terrorist attack? Orlando?

Wrong thread. This is post Orlando/Nice.

Try search function, and remember only 1 search every 30 seconds. Use a good keyword.

[Blake]

I figured I could put them all in one thread and consolidate them instead of starting a new thread every time. Why Islam? Because currently Islamic terrorists groups are carrying out attacks much more often than other terrorists groups. When another group decides to step it up and match the amount of attacks that group will get their own thread. Don't hold your breath though.

Since Islam is so bad, what do you think we should do about it?

[DarrinS]

Since Islam is so bad, what do you think we should do about it?

Chumpdumper? Is that you?

[Splits]

SUNDAY, AUG 14, 2016 02:00 PM EDT

U.S.-backed Saudi coalition bombs Yemen school, killing 10 children, wounding 28

MSF, UNICEF say U.S.-armed Saudi-led coalition bombed Yemeni students, days after killing 18 civilians at a market

BEN NORTON (http://www.salon.com/writer/ben_norton/)

At least 10 children were killed and another 28 were injured in the bombing of a school in Yemen on Saturday.

Locals and officials say the attack was carried out by the U.S.-backed, Saudi-led coalition, which has been conducting a brutal bombing campaign in Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle East, since March 2015.

International medical humanitarian organization Doctors Without Borders says a medical center it runs received people who were killed and wounded in the attack.

Doctors Without Borders, which is known internationally as Médecins Sans Frontières, or MSF, confirmed the casualty figures, and noted that the victims were all between 8 and 15 years old.

Before the massacre, the children had been studying in their classrooms in the town Haydan, in the northwestern Sa’ada governorate, UNICEF said in a statement.

The U.S.-backed, Saudi-led coalition denied attacking a school, The Washington Post reported. It instead claimed that it had bombed a camp where Yemen’s Houthi rebels were training child soldiers. The Post noted, however, that these “claims could not be independently verified.”

In October, the coalition also bombed an MSF hospital in Haydan, in an attack condemned by the U.N

MSF reported that U.S.-backed Saudi-led coalition airstrikes had “flattened” Haydan. Before the October hospital bombing, air strikes in June and July hit several houses, a school and a market.

The coalition has destroyed at least three medical centers run by the medical humanitarian group.

U.S.-backed Saudi forces have bombed more hospitals, schools, civilian neighborhoods, weddings, a refugee camp and even an Oxfam humanitarian aid warehouse.

This most recent attack comes just days after coalition warplanes bombed a market outside Yemen’s capital, Sana’a, killing at least 18 civilians.

Yemeni pharmacist Sadam al-Othari, who lost his son in the attack, told The New York Times, “They targeted only civilians.” He added, “There wasn’t a single gunman or military vehicle around.”

Peace talks between Yemeni rebels and the U.S.-backed, Saudi-allied government broke down on Saturday, Aug. 6. On Sunday, hours after the negotiations ended, the coalition launched 30 air strikes throughout Yemen.

More than 6,500 Yemenis have been killed in the war. Human rights organizations have accused both the coalition and Yemeni rebels of war crimes. According to the U.N., however, the Saudi-led coalition is responsible for two-thirds of civilian casualties.

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have called for the Saudi absolute monarchy to be suspended from the U.N. Human Rights Council because of its “gross and systematic violations of human rights abroad and at home.”

Meanwhile, the war in Yemen has pushed the poorest country in the Middle East to the brink of catastrophe, creating one of the worst humanitarian disasters in the world.

More than half of Yemen’s entire population, 14 million people, are hungry. For more than a year, humanitarian groups have warned that 80 percent of the population desperately needs food and medical assistance.

The weapons the coalition has used in civilian areas, including widely banned cluster munitions, have been provided by the U.S. and U.K. The U.S. has done more than $100 billion in arms deals with the extremist authoritarian Saudi regime in the past several years.

Moreover, American and British military officials are physically in the command room with the Saudi military, and have access to a list of targets.

“With the intensification in violence across the country in the past week, the number of children killed and injured by airstrikes, street fighting and landmines has grown sharply,” UNICEF said in the statement it released on Saturday.

The U.N. children’s agency called on “all parties to the conflict in Yemen to respect and abide by their obligations under international law,” stressing, “This includes the obligation to only target combatants and limit harm to civilians and civilian infrastructure.”

MSF echoed UNICEF’s call for “all warring parties to take greater measures to protect civilians.”


https://www.salon.com/2016/08/14/u-s-backed-saudi-coalition-bombs-yemen-school-killing-10-children-wounding-28/

[Blake]

Chumpdumper? Is that you?

Your definitely darrin

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Since Islam is so bad, what do you think we should do about it?

Remove all Muslims from the country and include any mudslime sharks and their half breed hell spawns

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://i.imgur.com/ZSdZ6QP.jpg

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/a-transgender-woman-was-raped-and-set-on-fire-and-people-are?bffbmain&ref=bffbmain&utm_term=.cv20erKdE#.ieKWo3gZ6

meanwhile in North Algeria

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/strasbourg-rabbi-jewish-stabbing-france-latest-attacker-knife-allahu-akbar-terrorism-a7198991.html

A Jewish man has been stabbed in France by an attacker heard shouting “Allahu Akbar” in the latest attack to shake the country.

The suspect, said to be mentally ill, is believed to be known to police in relation to another attack on a Jewish victim in 2010.

Jews and fags get rekt

[Avante]

Somebody needs to sit these people down and explain to them that when Mohammad lived things were different back then, honest there really were. So while that chop off this and chop off that was the way to go back in those primitive times, this is now 2016 and we know longer raid caravans so it's time to come up to modern times and ignore all that old bullshit that doesn't apply to the now.

They can't seem to understand Mohammad is no longer raiding caravans.

[Pelicans78]

Remove all Muslims from the country and include any mudslime sharks and their half breed hell spawns

Are you jealous that the majority of Muslims make more money than you do in this country than you do?

Also what do you propose to do with white folks since they make up 80% of pedophiles in this country and commit more crime than any other group as well?

[boutons_deux]

Avante ignoring all the equally nasty shit in the Bible.

[Blake]

Remove all Muslims from the country and include any mudslime sharks and their half breed hell spawns

Aside from being unconstitutional, there are probably a lot of basketball fans that would get kinda mad you kicked Hakeem out of the country

[TheSanityAnnex]

Suicide Bombing At Turkish Wedding Carried Out By Child, Pinned On ISIS

A devastating suicide attack on a wedding in Turkey was carried out by a child and appears to have been orchestrated by the Islamic State, Turkish officials say.
The bombing in Gaziantep killed at least 54 people, according to local officials, and injured at least 66 more. Fourteen of the wounded are said to be critically injured.
At least 22 of the victims were children — and the suicide bomber is also believed to have been between 12 and 14 years old.


The bride and groom are believed to have survived the attack, NPR's Peter Kenyon reports (http://www.npr.org/2016/08/22/490895602/scores-killed-and-injured-in-turkey-wedding-bombing).
The young age of the attacker is highly unusual for Turkey, Peter says.
"As I can tell it's never happened here," he says. "ISIS has used child bombers before; there's a monitoring group in the U.K. called the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, and they say ISIS used 18 child bombers in 2015. There have been reports of cases in Nigeria and Afghanistan as well. But for Turkey, I think, this is a first."


The bombing is the deadliest terrorist attack in Turkey so far this year — and it has already been a brutal year. The country has suffered attacks on transportation hubs, police stations and tourist destinations. Just days ago, three separate bombings hit across the country in one day (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/18/490460660/car-bombs-in-turkey-kill-at-least-6-wound-more-than-200).
An attack on the Istanbul airport in June is believed to have been carried out by ISIS, but many of the other bombings were pinned on Kurdish militants with the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK.
But Turkish officials believe the Islamic State was responsible for this weekend's bombing. "Since these victims were mainly Kurdish, the PKK probably wasn't behind it," Peter says.


There has been no official claim of responsibility by any organization, but President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says that police investigations point toward ISIS.
And on Monday, Reuters reported that the specific kind of device used in the attack also suggests ISIS involvement. The wire service reports:

"The device ... was the same type used in 2015 attacks on a peace rally in Ankara (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/11/447686719/thousands-march-in-ankara-to-mourn-bombing-victims) and on the border district of Suruc (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33619043), a senior security official said on Monday.
"Both the Ankara and Suruc attacks were blamed on Islamic State, reinforcing the suspicion that the militant group was also behind the Gaziantep bombing on Saturday evening, the official said."

An ISIS attack on Kurds in Turkey might be motivated by events in Syria, Peter reports.


"One possible explanation is that ISIS is upset about Kurdish military victories in northern Syria because it's the Kurdish fighters who are really leading the charge there against the ISIS fighters," he says. "So some are saying this could be revenge taken against Kurdish civilians — who have nothing to do with it, obviously — inside Turkey for Kurdish battlefield gains in Syria."
At the same time, the attack sends a signal to Turkey in general that ISIS is capable of striking against civilians, Peter says.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/22/490908579/suicide-bombing-at-turkish-wedding-carried-out-by-child-pinned-on-isis

[DisAsTerBot]

I'm not blaming Islam itself. My view is generally negative about religion as a whole, not limited to Islam. However, there is room for Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc in this world as long as their practitioners don't go overboard with it.

I don't think Islam is inherently "worse" than other religions. But that doesn't mean I need to ignore the fact that in the current world, more atrocities are committed by members of islam than other religions. It's a matter of stating and acknowledging a fact, not a matter of my hatred of islam


the bombings and drone strikes of those middle eastern countries are mainly committed by members of christianity. That death toll far outnumbers terrorist strikes.


:lol "by members of Christianity"

The tangential fact that they are Christian isn't relevant there, though. If their being Christian led to their bombings, it would be different. Motive, etc. Otherwise you can keep any arbitrary tally like "how many shootings are done by people named Steve" or "how many murderers have facial hair."

lmao exactly what you said

[spurraider21]

lmao exactly what you said
if you've read the context of the entire conversation i was specifically referring to those crimes carried out in the name of islam, with the religion as the motive

but yes you caught my wording in a post, congrats

[Blake]

if you've read the context of the entire conversation i was specifically referring to those crimes carried out in the name of islam, with the religion as the motive

but yes you caught my wording in a post, congrats

Round and round

[Avante]

Just how many people have to die over this primitive bullshit before some of you figure it out?

READ THE KORAN....there .."kill those you can't convert"...is the message.

[spurraider21]

Round and round
no, i've been consistent the entire time, as i've reiterated to you over and over again. disasterbot took one quote from a conversation and missed some context, its really no big deal

[SpursforSix]

Aside from being unconstitutional, there are probably a lot of basketball fans that would get kinda mad you kicked Hakeem out of the country

I'm on board if they could do it in 1994.

[Blake]

no, i've been consistent the entire time, as i've reiterated to you over and over again. disasterbot took one quote from a conversation and missed some context, its really no big deal

We'll have to agree to disagree you've been consistent. I'd say you've been walking the fence the whole thread, trying to have it two different ways.

[spurraider21]

sure. every time you're caught bullshitting, you go with the "agree to disagree" thing

[Blake]

sure. every time you're caught bullshitting, you go with the "agree to disagree" thing

Sure, like how you cry I'm obtuse every time you've been asked why you are specifically pointing at islam being a motive before noting islam is a-OK with you.

Still waiting, btw

[spurraider21]

Sure, like how you cry I'm obtuse every time you've been asked why you are specifically pointing at islam being a motive before noting islam is a-OK with you.

Still waiting, btw
the same way i think christianity is ok, but not when people use it as a motive/excuse/justification to commit atrocities. it's really not that complicated

that would be on the practitioner, not the religion

but let me guess, you agree to disagree

[Avante]

Let's bump this thread up everytime somebody is killed because of Islam.

[pgardn]

Just how many people have to die over this primitive bullshit before some of you figure it out?

READ THE KORAN....there .."kill those you can't convert"...is the message.


Let's bump this thread up everytime somebody is killed because of Islam.

The bible has many unsavory quotes that don't fit the morals present time you old pedo (wish you lived in early Greece I'm betting). Look at the Old Testament again please.

Although it is fairly clear Jesus ( New Testament old perv ok~~~~~ sheeeesh) lived a much less violent life than Big Mo even though Jesus was surrounded by violence.

Do you really think a large majority of Muslims today adhere to : lack of conversion = execution...... little fella?

I apologize to the board for even recognizing our resident twisted sister.

[Blake]

the same way i think christianity is ok, but not when people use it as a motive/excuse/justification to commit atrocities. it's really not that complicated

Yeah, I'll disagree and say it's not ok if it can be used to justify atrocities. But that's not the point.


that would be on the practitioner, not the religion



Hey you're on point in this "Religion of Peace again" thread. Bravo.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Religion of Peace fail

Police thwart child bomber attack in Iraq’s Kirkuk

In the footage which was captured and published by Kurdistan24 late on Sunday, two Kurdish police officers can be seen surrounding and restraining a child bomber while another defuses the explosives attached to his body.
After the bomb is successfully removed, the boy is arrested and taken away in a police car.



There is still no information on the child’s planned target or who was behind the thwarted terrorist operation.



The incident comes on the same day as the city was hit by two other bombing incidents, one just a few steps away from a mosque.
Earlier on Saturday, a child bomber targeted a wedding in Turkey’s Gaziantep, killing at least 51 people and injuring scores of others.



According to a report published by the Combating Terrorism Center early in the year, the Daesh Takfiri terrorist group is increasingly using children in its attacks, as its ranks are being thinned out by anti-terror campaigns.
“The data unambiguously suggests that the Daesh’s mobilization of children and youth for military purposes is accelerating,” said the report.



“The rate of operations involving one or more child or youth is likewise increasing; there were three times as many suicide operations involving children and youth in January 2016 as the previous January,” added the report.
The northern and western parts of Iraq have been plagued by gruesome violence ever since Daesh terrorists mounted their offensive in June 2014. The militants have been committing vicious crimes against all ethnic and religious communities in Iraq, including Shias, Sunnis, Kurds and Christians.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/08/22/481093/kirkuk-kurds-explosive-belt-child

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I'll disagree and say it's not ok if it can be used to justify atrocities. But that's not the point.



Hey you're on point in this "Religion of Peace again" thread. Bravo.
So do you think blm is "not ok" because it can (and has) be used to justify violence?

[Blake]

So do you think blm is "not ok" because it can (and has) be used to justify violence?

When I say "not ok" I mean it's not ok for me personally.

It'd be nice if Christianity, Islam, Pokémon go and BLM all just went away completely, but I don't really care what individuals want to peacefully do within their legal rights

If practitioners get violent, it's irrelevant what their background reason is. They all should get punished the same way for the same crime. It's why this thread is retarded.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Suicide Bombing Kills at Least 20 in Somalia

NAIROBI, Kenya — A suicide bomb rocked the Somali town of Galkayo on Sunday, killing at least 20 people and showing that Islamist militants, despite recent setbacks, can still plan and execute deadly attacks anywhere in the country.
Galkayo, a midsize town in central Somalia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/somalia/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), had been quiet in recent months.



Yet that suddenly changed at 10 a.m. on Sunday when militants detonated a deafening bomb in a market, sending a column of black smoke shooting into the sky. A squad of militants stormed a nearby government building, engaging in gun battles with security forces.



“One of the blasts was so huge, I was really shocked,” said Abdirahman Abdweli, a student in the city.
The explosion ripped the roofs off several buildings, scattering sharp pieces of corrugated metal and debris across the area.



The death toll was not immediately clear. The Shabab (http://www.nytimes.com/topic/organization/shabab?inline=nyt-org) militant group, which claimed responsibility for the attack, said 30 people had been killed. Somali health officials and residents said the number was closer to 20, with dozens wounded.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/world/africa/suicide-bombing-kills-at-least-20-in-somalia.html?_r=0

[Avante]

The bible has many unsavory quotes that don't fit the morals present time you old pedo (wish you lived in early Greece I'm betting). Look at the Old Testament again please.

Although it is fairly clear Jesus ( New Testament old perv ok~~~~~ sheeeesh) lived a much less violent life than Big Mo even though Jesus was surrounded by violence.

Do you really think a large majority of Muslims today adhere to : lack of conversion = execution...... little fella?

I apologize to the board for even recognizing our resident twisted sister.

I won't even reply to this idiot gang, the guy too stupid to figure out it's not Christians killing themselves and others over stupid shit in a book.

[Avante]

Bottom line is this...

Look at how many people have died/injured over Islam. That is all that really matters.

Now what if we'd never had Islam, think of how much better off this world would have been.

Just think, a guy comes off a mountain trying to sell...I talked with the Angel Gabriel and.....


That should say it all right there. A crazy man lying with this need to kill people.

In the Koran we read..and my messenger...many times. Mohammad was that messenger, only a fool wouldn't see what's going on there.

[spurraider21]

When I say "not ok" I mean it's not ok for me personally.

It'd be nice if Christianity, Islam, Pokémon go and BLM all just went away completely, but I don't really care what individuals want to peacefully do within their legal rights

If practitioners get violent, it's irrelevant what their background reason is. They all should get punished the same way for the same crime. It's why this thread is retarded.
for the same reason that your christian bashing threads are retarded?

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's why this thread is retarded.You know what is really retarded---ANY time I want to bump this thread I simply google Islamic terrorist attack with today's date and I've got my post to bump with.

[Blake]

for the same reason that your christian bashing threads are retarded?

No, because bigoted Christians that do things like deny gays service, as just one example, brings us down as a society.

Nice try, but you're still obtuse.

[Blake]

You know what is really retarded---ANY time I want to bump this thread I simply google Islamic terrorist attack with today's date and I've got my post to bump with.

And you've got no idea what to do about it. Poor tsa

[TheSanityAnnex]

And you've got no idea what to do about it. Poor tsa
You've got your own thread to shitpost in about what to do about it, run along.

Back to the actual topic, religion of peace again on US soil.

FBI probing possible Virginia terror attack


ROANOKE COUNTY, Va. -- The FBI is investigating a double stabbing here Saturday night as a possible terrorist attack, reports CBS News Investigative Unit Senior Producer Pat Milton, citing law enforcement sources.
One told Milton the suspect yelled “Allah Akbar” -- Arabic for God is Great -- during the stabbing. Witnesses told police they heard the same thing, reports CBS Roanoke affiliate WDBJ-TV (http://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/POLICE-Roanoke-County-stabbing-suspect-yelled-Allah-Akbar-during-attack-390982511.html).
Police said Wasil Farooqui, 20, of Roanoke County, stabbed a man and woman in a random attack that left the victims severely wounded and hospitalized. He’s charged with two counts of aggravated malicious wounding and is being held without bond.
The victims told police they were attacked as they entered The Pines Apartments just before 8 p.m.
The male was able to fight off the attacker, who fled the scene, police said.

----------


A U.S. intelligence source tells CBS News Farooqui has been on the FBI’s radar for months and is believed to be self-radicalized.
That source says authorities aren’t sure whether Farooqui is an American citizen. :lol det vetting system :lol
The source adds that Farooqui tried to go to Syria earlier this year but only got as far as Europe, then returned to the U.S., and the trip is what alerted law enforcement to him.

[spurraider21]

No, because bigoted Christians that do things like deny gays service, as just one example, brings us down as a society.

Nice try, but you're still obtuse.
Do Muslims do things that being us down as a society?

[Blake]

You've got your own thread to shitpost in about what to do about it, run along.

Back to the actual topic, religion of peace again on US soil.

So you just want to be left alone to mass post articles minus discussion.

Theboutonannex

[Blake]

Do Muslims do things that being us down as a society?

Well sure, I'll assume so. Did you have a point?

My guess is that you're just being obtuse.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you just want to be left alone to mass post articles minus discussion.

TheboutonannexThis thread is the equivalent of a baseball almanac, nothing wrong with just posting stats.

You stopped having meaningful discussions on this long ago and instead are going with a poorly imitated chumpdumper routine.

[Blake]

This thread is the equivalent of a baseball almanac, nothing wrong with just posting stats.

You stopped having meaningful discussions on this long ago and instead are going with a poorly imitated chumpdumper routine.

Well if this thread is just an almanac then you never intended to discuss anything any way.

Pretty weird to keep track of something that you can't do anything about and have no answer for.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Well if this thread is just an almanac then you never intended to discuss anything any way.

Pretty weird to keep track of something that you can't do anything about and have no answer for.

I've discussed plenty in here; method used, location of attack, body count, frequency etc.

Pretty weird you have your own thread dedicated to discussing what to do about Islam yet you continue to shitpost in this one.

[spurraider21]

Well sure, I'll assume so. Did you have a point?

My guess is that you're just being obtuse.
You think having threads chastizing Christians is OK because they do things that bring us down as a society

But when there's a thread criticizing Muslims because they do things that bring us down as a society, you get defensive with "why are you blaming Islam" or "what's the point"

[DarrinS]

If you posted a montage of news clips for every attack since 9/11, it would be a VERY long video.

But those damn Christians!

[Blake]

If you posted a montage of news clips for every attack since 9/11, it would be a VERY long video.

But those damn Christians!

Moral equivalency fallacy. Darrin-esque!

[Blake]

I've discussed plenty in here; method used, location of attack, body count, frequency etc.

Pretty weird you have your own thread dedicated to discussing what to do about Islam yet you continue to shitpost in this one.

Both threads are yours. I'll lol at you in both as I please, thanks.

[Blake]

You think having threads chastizing Christians is OK because they do things that bring us down as a society

But when there's a thread criticizing Muslims because they do things that bring us down as a society, you get defensive with "why are you blaming Islam" or "what's the point"

This is a thread moaning about a religion of peace. ...OP gets defensive when I ask what he proposed be done about it.

That's about it. I'm not sure why you guys get so riled up when I ask what the point is. It took what, 8 pages to finally admit it's just an almanac thread to moan about Islam in.

[TheSanityAnnex]

daily bump for Blake


Poignant final Facebook posts of British backpacker, 21, stabbed to death by French knifeman shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ in horrific rampage at Australian hostel
Mia Ayliffe-Chung, 21, who had been working as a bartender for the past six months, was knifed in a frenzied attack (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1666641/french-knifeman-was-infatuated-with-british-girl-21-he-knifed-to-death-in-horror-rampage-at-australian-hostel/) in front of 30 horrified witnesses.

Another Brit, named locally as Tom Jackson, is fighting for his life in hospital after reports that he was stabbed up to 15 times.

It has emerged the knifeman also stabbed a dog to death as he rampaged through a room of around 30 people on Tuesday night.

Cops have now arrested a 29-year-old man who they say screamed extremist (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1660902/isis-jihadist-has-published-a-guide-on-how-to-poison-westerners-on-encrypted-mobile-app/) Islamic prayers during the attack.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1663357/british-woman-21-who-was-living-the-dream-travelling-abroad-is-stabbed-to-death-by-french-man-shouting-allahu-akbar-in-horrific-attack-at-australian-hostel/

[TheSanityAnnex]

daily bump for Blake

Gunmen Attack American University of Afghanistan in Kabul

Two gunmen were killed at American University of Afghanistan in Kabul early Thursday, hours after an attack was launched against the institution, authorities said. Twelve people, including seven students, were reportedly killed. The attack began Wednesday evening when a car bomb was detonated at the front gate of the university and multiple gunmen forced their way inside, Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqqi said.

Special forces responded and engaged the gunmen, and killed two attackers, a senior security official at the scene said at around 4 a.m. local time (7:30 p.m. Wednesday ET).

More than 30 students and staff were rescued, some with minor injuries, the security official said, and there appeared to be no more hostages.
Twelve people were killed in the attack, including seven students, three police and two security guards were killed, police told Reuters. The news agency quoted chief of the Kabul police Criminal Investigation Department as saying 44 people were wounded, 35 of them students.
The assault on the university was reported at around 7:30 p.m. Wednesday local time (11:00 a.m. ET). The commander of the Kabul police's quick reaction force called it a "complex attack."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/police-respond-reports-gunfire-blast-american-university-afghanistan-n637116

[Blake]

Daily lol tsa

[TheSanityAnnex]

double tap today


Five Isis suicide bombers kill 15 in Iraq in coordinated attack on Shia wedding near city of KerbalaCallum Paton,International Business Times ONC UK Mon, Aug 29 2:43 AM PDT







At least 15 people have been killed in near the southern Iraqi city of Kerbala after five suicide bomber targeted a Shia wedding in the village of Ein Tamer. Iraqi police confirmed the number of dead at the wedding, explaining the blast occurred late on (Sunday) 29 August. They said the attacks were carried out by the Sunni terror group Islamic State (Isis) which has carried out a series of attacks on the Shia majority in Iraq. Associated Press reported that security forces were able to shoot dead four of the five suicide bombers before they were able to detonate their devices, preventing a far higher death toll. While the Islamic State has not claimed responsibility for the attack, the suicide ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5d9ef31c-04cb-3b78-b2ea-b9c589f6043e/five-isis-suicide-bombers.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

Islamic State bombing kills 54 government recruits in Yemen


SANAA, Yemen (AP) — A suicide car bombing claimed by the Islamic State in Yemen's southern city of Aden on Monday killed at least 54 pro-government recruits, officials said, underscoring how the militant group has been able to exploit Yemen's civil war to stage large-scale attacks.



In the attack in Aden, the men were gathered at a staging area near two schools and a mosque when a pickup truck suddenly accelerated through the building's gate as a food delivery arrived, exploding amid the crowd, witnesses said.
"Bodies and body parts are scattered all over the place," said Mohammed Osman, a neighbor who rushed to the scene. "It was a massacre."



The death toll steadily rose through the day and by mid-afternoon, the director of Aden's Health Ministry, Khidra Lasour, said 54 had died from the explosion. Almost 70 people were wounded, including 30 seriously, and were being treated in area hospitals.
Security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, identified the bomber as one Ahmed Seif, distributing a photo of him smiling and holding an assault rifle next to a flag used by Islamic extremists as well as a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/suicide-attack-yemen-kills-54-government-fighters-132359956.html

[DeadlyDynasty]

It's all part of The Neverending Story

[boutons_deux]

Islamic State bombing kills 54 government recruits in Yemen ... how the militant group has been able to exploit Yemen's civil war to stage large-scale attacks.


Thanks, Repugs!

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Finally an Allah snackbar attack with a happy ending

P__jJm0PSgs


A homeless Sudanese refugee imported into Kelso, Washington, in 2013 was shot and killed by a police officer after he allegedly tried to rob a gas station and savagely attacked an attendant, customer, and responding officer with a walking stick.
Omer Ismail Ali allegedly attempted to shoplift from a Flying K gas station and convenience store on August 19, but the attending clerk told him to leave the store. Ali reportedly made a threat, and a police officer arrived shortly later to look at the surveillance footage.


Reportedly, Ali returned with a walking stick and began to beat the female clark with a long walking stick, before officer John Johnston pointed a weapon at him. Ali then turned away from his victim and advanced on Johnston, beating him with the stick, as well and pinning him in a corner. Surveillance footage then appears to show Johnston, lying on the floor, fire his weapon as Ali continued to beat him. Ali collapsed

[whitemamba]

People forget how many people killed in the name of "Christ". Are some of you born yesterday, or you just haven't taken a history class before?

[Winehole23]

If you posted a montage of news clips for every attack since 9/11, it would be a VERY long video. youtubes!

[DarrinS]

youtubes!

Ultra secret Cessna flying over Baltimore is super stealthy whisper mode!

[Winehole23]

Not anymore it isn't

[Splits]

773897384254316544

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

No happening just the back to school blues

773902335537999873

[DarrinS]

^Splits was hoping for Columbine

[Splits]

Murderous suicide teen girl? Must be Muslim. Can you believe what they teach their children?

[Splits]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bigot-ripping-muslim-women-hijabs-hateful-attack-article-1.2785475?cid=bitly


EXCLUSIVE: Bigot tried ripping off two Muslim women’s hijabs as they strolled with their babies in Brooklyn attack


A bigoted Brooklyn woman launched a sickening attack on two Muslim women pushing their babies in strollers — punching them in the face and trying to pull off their hijabs, prosecutors said Friday.

Emirjeta Xhelili, 32, hurled Islamophobic insults as she pounced on the two victims near her Bath Beach home about 1:30 p.m. Thursday, authorities said.

“Get the f--k out of here,” Xhelili, 32, allegedly yelled at the pair, according to prosecutors. “Get the f--k out of America, b-----s.”

As she punched the 23-year-old women in the face and kicked them in their legs, she tried to rip the traditional Muslim veils off their heads at Bay 20th St. and Cropsey Aves., police sources said.

“This is America — you shouldn’t be different from us,” she yelled, prosecutors said.

The victims and babies were not badly hurt, police sources said.

Less than an hour before the attacks, Xhelili posted hate-filled Facebook messages on an account named Mary Magdalene ripping Muslims and blacks.

Emirjeta Ehelili, 32, is charged with misdemeanor assault as a hate crime after she attacked two Muslim women walking in Bensonhurst with their babies in strollers.

“What is your Allah doing to me? It’s kissing my ass,” one of the messages reads.

In another, she refers to “aliens with black skins.”

“You lucky for a time that is left, for I have counted your days!”

Xhelili was arraigned on a charge of misdemeanor assault as a hate crime.

Brooklyn prosecutors said her attack included an attempt to knock over a stroller carrying a 15-month-old baby.

“She didn’t even care for the well-being of a baby — that’s how serious this hate crime is,” Assistant District Attorney Kelli Muse said at the arraignment in Brooklyn Criminal Court.

Police collared Xhelili a half hour after the assault when the victims pointed her out a few blocks away, officials said.

“She continued to taunt them in front of police while in custody, saying ‘You guys don’t belong here,’ ” said Muse, who requested $50,000 bail.
Xhelili was ordered held on $50,000 bond or $25,000 cash bail.

Judge Lorna McAllister issued an order of protection barring her from any contact with the victims or their babies.

In response to the heinous crime, the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic relations urged local mosques and Islamic institutions to increase security, saying the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks may be used as “an excuse to attack American Muslims.”

Xhelili has no previous arrests and works at Noi Due, a kosher Italian restaurant on the Upper West Side, her lawyer said. Her vile social media musings include several bizarre tweets cheering the candidacy of Donald Trump.

“America is the ark of Noah,” one reads. “Trump’s gonna win.”

[Axl Rose]

What I don't understand is how people reconcile in their minds to be both liberal and pro Islam. You can be one but not both.

[DarrinS]

What I don't understand is how people reconcile in their minds to be both liberal and pro Islam. You can be one but not both.

You just make Muslims another victim group and invent the term Islamophobia.

[spurraider21]

People forget how many people killed in the name of "Christ". Are some of you born yesterday, or you just haven't taken a history class before?
yeah but christians by in large have reformed past that. when was the last time you saw a mass attack in the name of christ?

[spurraider21]

What I don't understand is how people reconcile in their minds to be both liberal and pro Islam. You can be one but not both.
supporting rights of islamic people is different than supporting the doctrine of fundamental islam

[Axl Rose]

supporting rights of islamic people is different than supporting the doctrine of fundamental islam
Lol think about that again

you support their rights but they don't support yours. They just attacked a woman in France for wearing a bikini. These are so called westernized "moderate" Muslims we are talking about

[spurraider21]

Lol think about that again

you support their rights but they don't support yours. They just attacked a woman in France for wearing a bikini. These are so called westernized "moderate" Muslims we are talking about
i dont think anybody is talking about defending their right to attack people in france

[Axl Rose]

If you support Islam and allow it to embed itself in your society they are going to do Islamic things and butt heads with people who live different lifestyles, it's not that hard to see with such a large body of evidence. Fewer and fewer people are defending Islam by the day, you guys are some of the last holdouts.

[Splits]

Arson fire destroys mosque attended by Orlando nightclub shooter: authorities


Last Updated Sep 12, 2016 6:59 AM EDT


FORT PIERCE, Fla. -- A fire overnight destroyed the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce, a mosque once attended by the Pulse nightclub killer and another American terrorist, reports CBS West Plam Beach Florida affiliate WPEC-TV.

The first crews on scene reported seeing flames shooting through the mosque’s roof.

The St. Lucie County Sheriff’s Office released a statement Monday morning says the blaze was set.

“A fire at any place of worship is alarming, regardless of the circumstances,” the statement says. “Video captured at the Fort Pierce Islamic Center shows an individual approached the east side of the building just moments before a flash is seen and the fire starts.

“The Sheriff’s Office is actively investigating this as an arson with the assistance of the St. Lucie County Fire District, the Florida State Fire Marshall’s Office, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the Federal Bureau of Investigations.

“As soon as we are able, we will release the video of this incident and ask for the public to assist us in identifying the person or persons responsible.”

Authorities said it was unclear if there were any ties to the 15th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Mosque leaders told WPEC in June they’d been receiving threats, including threats to that the building would be torched. Security was stepped up.

Omar Mateen, the man federal authorities say killed dozens of people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando June -- the worst mass shooting in U.S. history -- attended the mosque. He was killed by police in a shootout at the club.

Moner Mohammad Abu Salha, the American Taliban who became a suicide bomber in Syria, also went to that mosque, WPEC says.

According to the station, the FBI investigated Mateen for terrorist ties twice, including connections to Abu Salha. The agency said it determined the connection between Mateen and Abu Salha to be “minimal” and not a “substantive relationship or threat at that time.”

Mateen lived in Fort Pierce and once worked for a security firm in Palm Beach Gardens. Just last week, the state of Florida fined G4S Secure Solutions $151,400 for listing the wrong psychologist’s name on more than 1,500 forms that allowed employees to carry guns, according to The Associated Press. One of the forms belonged to Mateen. The company filed a form in September 2007 to let him carry a gun as a security guard.

In a statement, the company said the wrong psychologist’s name was listed due to an administrative error.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fire-destroys-pulse-nightclub-gunman-omar-mateens-mosque/

Sunni vs. Shia? Animals

[Splits]

EXCLUSIVE: Traditionally dressed Muslim woman set on fire in Midtown; police investigate possible hate crime


A 36-year-old Scottish tourist wearing traditional Muslim garb had her blouse set on fire in a bizarre incident outside a pricey Fifth Ave. boutique, police sources said Monday.

The victim noticed the sleeve of her blouse was charred and smoldering and was not badly hurt in the Saturday night attack, just hours before the ceremony marking the 15-year anniversary of 9/11.

But the attacker got away, and the NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force is trying to determine if it was motivated by bias toward Muslims.

The incident happened just after 9 p.m. as the woman was window shopping on Fifth Ave. by Valentino near E. 55th St.

She felt heat on her arm, a police source said, and realized her blouse had been set on fire.

“She saw (the suspect) pull a lighter away and walk away,” the source said. “He doesn’t say anything.”

The suspect was last seen strutting and swinging his arms along E. 54th St. just minutes after the fire attack. Surveillance footage shows the man was wearing a tank top, pants and a backwards hat — all black.

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, urged a full investigation.

“I would obviously be concerned because it’s symptomatic of the overall rise in Islamophobic sentiment in our society,” he said.

Last Thursday, a 32-year-old woman in Brooklyn was busted on charges of attacking two young Muslim mothers. In the sickening attack, Emirjeta Zhelili allegedly punched the women in the face and tried to rip the hijabs from their heads.

Police are seeking the suspect in connection to Saturday's attack and anyone with information about the incident is asked to call the NYPD's crime Stoppers Hotline at 1-800-577-TIPS.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/exclusive-traditionally-dressed-muslim-woman-set-fire-article-1.2789052

These Sunni are out of control. Animals I tell you.

[whitemamba]

yeah but christians by in large have reformed past that. when was the last time you saw a mass attack in the name of christ?

Ok so we can forgive the thousands and thousands of people that were killed in the name of christ? No one talks about that because they are "reformed" now? The KKK, the christian militias in lebanon, and ireland etc.. Then you have the occupation of the west bank which is motivated by extremist views of Judaism. Spurrraider i know your a smart guy, so please dont be naive. The media only exposes what they want to.

[spurraider21]

Ok so we can forgive the thousands and thousands of people that were killed in the name of christ? No one talks about that because they are "reformed" now? The KKK, the christian militias in lebanon, and ireland etc.. Then you have the occupation of the west bank which is motivated by extremist views of Judaism. Spurrraider i know your a smart guy, so please dont be naive. The media only exposes what they want to.
a - why would you need to forgive people that were killed?

b - the idea is you dont blame a son for the crimes of his father, etc. that whole thing. do you also need to criminalize every white american now because their forefathers used to have slaves? should we shit on today's germans because their grandfathers were nazis? its ridiculous

[clambake]

a - why would you need to forgive people that were killed?

b - the idea is you dont blame a son for the crimes of his father, etc. that whole thing. do you also need to shit on every white american now because their forefathers used to have slaves?

fathers are strapping bombs to their sons.

[clambake]

clinton said blacks are super predators.

[clambake]

channeling my ducks right now.

[whitemamba]

a - why would you need to forgive people that were killed?

b - the idea is you dont blame a son for the crimes of his father, etc. that whole thing. do you also need to criminalize every white american now because their forefathers used to have slaves? should we shit on today's germans because their grandfathers were nazis? its ridiculous

my bad, i meant forgive the people that did the killing. I agree , we shouldn't blame people for the past , but most people dont even know it. Thats my point. Everyone is so quick to point the finger when they are too ignorant to know their own history. in 2016 , today there are other peoples commiting crimes, and violence in the name of religion that are not muslim.

[spurraider21]

my bad, i meant forgive the people that did the killing. I agree , we shouldn't blame people for the past , but most people dont even know it. Thats my point. Everyone is so quick to point the finger when they are too ignorant to know their own history. in 2016 , today there are other peoples commiting crimes, and violence in the name of religion that are not muslim.
nowhere near the numbers though

[Spurminator]

If you support Islam and allow it to embed itself in your society they are going to do Islamic things and butt heads with people who live different lifestyles

What's your alternative?

[Spurminator]

What I don't understand is how people reconcile in their minds to be both liberal and pro Islam. You can be one but not both.

I don't understand how people can be pro- "Religious freedom" and anti- Muslims.