Democratic convention

[TheGreatYacht]

Hunter Walker
@hunterw
This convention is my fourth and it is, by far, the most poorly organized and set up that I have seen.
He's talking about transportation. He replied to that own tweet

[TheGreatYacht]

:cry look at all those empty seats :cry

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[TheGreatYacht]

:cry Libs can't pack the house like we can :cry

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[StrengthAndHonor]

:lol values voter being a semen shield for a rapist
Supports a philandering pedophile^:lol

[DarrinS]

First ISIS mention -- day 3

[DarrinS]

I guess this is anti-gun night.

[Reck]

First ISIS mention -- day 3

Tonight's theme is making America Safe. They have been talking about terrorism and gun shooting all night long.

[Reck]

Damn Gabby Giffords can barely walk and speak. Sad to see.

[hater]

Damn Gabby Giffords can barely walk and speak. Sad to see.

Yup she never really recovered tbqh. Gun is one helluva weapon

[DarrinS]

Tonight's theme is making America Safe. They have been talking about terrorism and gun shooting all night long.

Are they going to talk about how Obama and Hillary have made the world a safer place?

[TheGreatYacht]

Saw on Twitter that Reddit posters on "The_Donald" are already making fun of Gifford....

What a bunch of faggots.

[DarrinS]

Keep this in mind when Bloomberg speaks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3srghy2IFBg

[Reck]

This guy is toring Trump a new one. :lol

A true Navy admiral.

[Reck]

This chick does meth? Her teeth are so fucked. :lol

[Reck]

DarrinS There you go. Enough radical islam talk for you?

[TheGreatYacht]

Why aren't democrats saying "Radical Islam"? That will really teach those terrorists! Sad!

[TheGreatYacht]

Wtf are they chanting? They keep interrupting the speakers

[Fabbs]

First ISIS mention -- day 3
I heard ISIS was really devastated by the Repug Convention mentioning them 68 times.
Serious losses incurred by ISIS.

[Reck]

Wtf are they chanting? They keep interrupting the speakers

No more war.

This is why what they talked in the GOP convention cant be touched in the DNC convention.

Liberals are not down with going to war or interventions.

[DarrinS]

Did Code Pink take over the floor? Leave it to leftists moonbats to interrupt a pretty damn good takedown of Trump.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No more war.

This is why what they talked in the GOP convention cant be touched in the DNC convention.

Liberals are not down with going to war or interventions.
Yet in lock step they vote for the warhawk Hillary.

[DarrinS]

Career plagiarist Biden about to speak. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

No more war.

This is why what they talked in the GOP convention cant be touched in the DNC convention.

Liberals are not down with going to war or interventions.
Ah okay gotcha :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

The crowd loves them some Biden

[DarrinS]

The crowd loves them some Biden

He should've run, tbh

[Reck]

He should've run, tbh

He would've if his son didn't die.

[TheGreatYacht]

Biden getting ready to tag Obama in :wow Trump's gonna need a wheelchair tomorrow

[TheGreatYacht]

Not a damn clue! :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

One of the best speeches I've ever seen. I see you Joe :wow

[Reck]

Joe going in without vaseline. :lol

[rmt]

I guess our soldiers weren't bending and bowing on their knees with their arms behind their heads.

[Reck]

Call a medic for aisle 5. TRUMP DOWN, TRUMP DOWN.

[TheGreatYacht]

We're truly lucky to have such a cool VP, and the torch will be passed to Kaine.

Heard Tim Kaine speak last week.... This is going to be great :clap

[DarrinS]

We're truly lucky to have such a cool VP, and the torch will be passed to Kaine.

Heard Tim Kaine speak last week.... This is going to be great :clap

Yeah, he's really popular. :lmao

[Reck]

What is Bloomberg doing here? I thought this guy was a republican? :lmao

[boutons_deux]

I guess this is anti-gun night.

sure, why not address a horrendous for-profit public health hazard?

[DarrinS]

Keep this in mind when Bloomberg speaks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3srghy2IFBg

Judgement of Bloomberg

[Pelicans78]

I guess our soldiers weren't bending and bowing on their knees with their arms behind their heads.

A lot worse happened to them from 2001-2008.

[Pelicans78]

I wonder how many times Al-Qaeda or Bin Liden were mentioned at the 2000 Republican convention.

[DMX7]

Bloomberg showing no mercy, lol.

[TheGreatYacht]

Everyone going in raw :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Bloomberg using big words, that's no way to pursue Trump supporters to come aboard

[boutons_deux]

I wonder how many times Al-Qaeda or Bin Liden were mentioned at the 2000 Republican convention.

Muslim terrorism was Clinton/Dem project. Repugs refused to listen to Clinton's staff about OBL, etc.

Repugs/NSA/Condi did absolutely nothing about Muslim terrorism before 9/11.

[Reck]

Bloomberg was great. First unbiased speaker in either convention.

This convention kicks the shit out of last week's convention.

[DarrinS]

Panda had a better case against Trump, but left loons interrupted. Bizarre.

Lol "Panda" -- fucking autocorrect. I meant Paneda.

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http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/26/exclusive-irs-launches-investigation-of-clinton-foundation/

[Will Hunting]

What have I missed? Guessing Biden tore trump to shreds?

[TheGreatYacht]

What have I missed? Guessing Biden tore trump to shreds?
Biden and Bloomberg both

[Drachen]

Ok, Just No to the Fight song. That being said, there is your flag, Cons.

[Will Hunting]

Could not have had a more bland VP pick.

[Reck]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/26/exclusive-irs-launches-investigation-of-clinton-foundation/

Simply republicans next witch hunt.

[Reck]

What have I missed? Guessing Biden tore trump to shreds?

Watch these back to back. Grown man moves were pulled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK8NuU2N_Rc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3vuf-rbd8

[Will Hunting]

Is this their limp dicked attempt to try and get white working class families to vote for them?

[DMX7]

Could not have had a more bland VP pick.

Bloomberg would have been better but I suspect Bernie supporters, in general, would freak out.

[ElNono]

People praise Bill for being a solid bullshitter, but Joe is not far behind, tbh... he's done pretty well with back to back VPs

[InRareForm]

he brought the spanish, no way latinos voting for trump.

[Reck]

Kaine assuming everyone in there speaks spanish. :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

Tim Kaine has a sincere corny demeanor...like a guy you can trust. The Clinton campaign severely needs his corniness right now lol.

[TheGreatYacht]

Tim Kaine is an alpha

[NASpurs]

This nigga is wearing mascara :lol

[Reck]

This nigga Kaine is a smart fuck. Invoking Bernie's name to get the crowd lit up. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

He got the crowd chanting Si Se Puede, holy shit. Hillary just won 99% of the Hispanic vote :wow

[rmt]

Could not have had a more bland VP pick.

For sure, more interesting than Pence, but I guess his ticket doesn't need any more excitement.

[hitmanyr2k]

Nice Trump impersonation :lol

[Reck]

Holy shit Tim Kaine. :wow

[Will Hunting]

Wow, this trump criticism is much better than anything so far this week

[DMX7]

Speaking Spanish is not the same as being Hispanic. I guess Hillary was smart enough to know how stupid the media is to not be able to tell the difference.

[TheGreatYacht]

Whoever believes Trump is a fucking idiot :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

I didn't think this corny MF would suddenly become an attack dog :lol

[Will Hunting]

:lol this couldn't have been more unexpected

[TheGreatYacht]

He got democrats to cheer for the Bush's and John Kasich :wow this guy can get anything done

[Reck]

The dude delivered.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pence is tight like a MF knowing he's gotta debate this guy :lol

[Reck]

Obamur should hit it out of the park.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kaine has never lost an election, btw

[ElNono]

Speaking Spanish is not the same as being Hispanic. I guess Hillary was smart enough to know how stupid the media is to not be able to tell the difference.

Agreed.... that said, insulting hispanics head on is much worse

[Reck]

Is that Walter fucking White? :wow

[Splits]

Is that Walter fucking White? :wow

he was there last night too

:lol Charles in Charge

[Splits]

Obummer about to rip shit up

[hitmanyr2k]

I would die laughing if the crowd broke out in a "Four more years!!" chant.

[Reck]

Obama has everyone in tears. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

he was there last night too

:lol Charles in Charge
:lmao

[Will Hunting]

I would die laughing if the crowd broke out in a "Four more years!!" chant.
I'm still hoping he brings up he birther stuff if he talks about Trump

[hitmanyr2k]

I'm still hoping he brings up he birther stuff if he talks about Trump

Michelle alluded to it in her speech. I doubt Obama would do it though.

[TheGreatYacht]

Obama with the ultimate endorsement :worthy:

[Biggems]

Hilary = Obama on steroids.......you think we are fucked now, just let her win the Office and then we can all drop the soap.....cause she is going to severely fuck us prison style with her horrible agenda on all fronts.

I'm not saying Trump is a good candidate, but he is far superior to that lying, cheating, corrupt, socialistic, anti-constitutional Hilary Clinton.

[Reck]

Hilary = Obama on steroids.......you think we are fucked now, just let her win the Office and then we can all drop the soap.....cause she is going to severely fuck us prison style with her horrible agenda on all fronts.

I'm not saying Trump is a good candidate, but he is far superior to that lying, cheating, corrupt, socialistic, anti-constitutional Hilary Clinton.

:cry :cry :cry

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POLITICS
Democratic Donors Gripe That Clinton Foundation Giving Isn’t Buying DNC Access

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_579927d5e4b0d3568f85d91a?yptr=yahoo

[TheGreatYacht]

How can people hate Obama?!?!

[ducks]

Approver rating is 56 I do not see how
65 say USA is off track

[Th'Pusher]

Obama checkin assholes.

[Reck]

Obama adresses TPP? :wow

A wrap.

[hitmanyr2k]

I'm still hoping he brings up he birther stuff if he talks about Trump

He slipped it in :lol

[baseline bum]

Hilary = Obama on steroids.......you think we are fucked now, just let her win the Office and then we can all drop the soap.....cause she is going to severely fuck us prison style with her horrible agenda on all fronts.

I'm not saying Trump is a good candidate, but he is far superior to that lying, cheating, corrupt, socialistic, anti-constitutional Hilary Clinton.

:lmao Center-right Hillary being a socialist :lmao

If the Dems wanted a socialist Sanders would be the nominee

[Reck]

Obama's grandparents lived in Kansas? I thought they lived in Kenya or a shithole like that. :cry

[hitmanyr2k]

That Hillary chant is weak. Everyone in that room knows they want 4 more years of Obama :lol

[DMX7]

Obama's grandparents lived in Kansas? I thought they lived in Kenya or a shithole like that. :cry

I think on his white mom's side they lived in Kansas for a while.

[TheGreatYacht]

One of the greatest speeches ever.

[Biggems]

How can people hate Obama?!?!

Easily....i don't actually hate him...i hate all that he stands for politically.....i hate how he has ignored the constitution time and again while acting on things......i hate that he has done his best to weaken, soften, and divide this country......i hate that people who can't take their mouths off the nipples of the liveral media......just keep sucking down his sour milk and acting as if it is the best thing since sliced bread.

I am cool with a black, hispanic, asian, or woman president, i just didn't want obama, and i don't want hilary. I would love some Ben Carson or Carli F.

[Biggems]

One of the greatest speeches ever.

Not really, but he can read the hell out of a teleprompter.

[Biggems]

You do know that people have 4 grandparents, right.

[Reck]

Obama might be a better speaker than Billy.

[Biggems]

:lmao Center-right Hillary being a socialist :lmao

If the Dems wanted a socialist Sanders would be the nominee

There is nothing right about Hilary

[Splits]

Meh, not his best effort. Decent speech. 5/10 given expectations

[hitmanyr2k]

Easily....i don't actually hate him...i hate all that he stands for politically.....i hate how he has ignored the constitution time and again while acting on things......i hate that he has done his best to weaken, soften, and divide this country......i hate that people who can't take their mouths off the nipples of the liveral media......just keep sucking down his sour milk and acting as if it is the best thing since sliced bread.

I am cool with a black, hispanic, asian, or woman president, i just didn't want obama, and i don't want hilary. I would love some Ben Carson or Carli F.

Ben fuckin Carson?!? That guy knows less than Trump and the last thing I want in the White House is another religious nutjob.

[DarrinS]

Obama might be a better speaker than Billy.

Derr

As much as I dislike this guy, that was pretty masterful.

[baseline bum]

There is nothing right about Hilary

Her husband governed from the center-right and she is a neocon warhawk.

[baseline bum]

Easily....i don't actually hate him...i hate all that he stands for politically.....i hate how he has ignored the constitution time and again while acting on things......i hate that he has done his best to weaken, soften, and divide this country......i hate that people who can't take their mouths off the nipples of the liveral media......just keep sucking down his sour milk and acting as if it is the best thing since sliced bread.

I am cool with a black, hispanic, asian, or woman president, i just didn't want obama, and i don't want hilary. I would love some Ben Carson or Carli F.

:lmao liberal media :lmao

If we had a liberal media they would have been pushing Sanders instead of constantly trying to marginalize him

[RsxPiimp]

Damn, Obama with the killshot tbh. donald trump has no chance if the POTUS continues to endorse hillary for the rest of his term:lol

[Biggems]

Obama might be a better speaker than Billy.

Take away his teleprompter and he becomes a stuttering dufus. He ends up sounding like one of those brain dead athletes...um um um um you kbow um you know

[RsxPiimp]

One of the greatest speeches ever.

imo, obama>bill clinton when it comes to delivering powerful speeches, not even close.

[baseline bum]

How can you guys get so enthused about fucking speeches at a political convention? :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

Damn, Obama with the killshot tbh. donald trump has no chance if the POTUS continues to endorse hillary for the rest of his term:lol

Hate to say it but Trump needs the mother of all terror attacks to seal it...a mini-9/11.

[DarrinS]

A Bernie presidency would suck. Proceed to flame this post.

[Biggems]

:lmao liberal media :lmao

If we had a liberal media they would have been pushing Sanders instead of constantly trying to marginalize him

So who do you got, hilary or donald......not who do you want or even who you are voting for, but who do you see winning?......

I say trump wins in a very close decision

[ElNono]

Easily....i don't actually hate him...i hate all that he stands for politically.....i hate how he has ignored the constitution time and again while acting on things......i hate that he has done his best to weaken, soften, and divide this country......i hate that people who can't take their mouths off the nipples of the liveral media......just keep sucking down his sour milk and acting as if it is the best thing since sliced bread.

I am cool with a black, hispanic, asian, or woman president, i just didn't want obama, and i don't want hilary. I would love some Ben Carson or Carli F.

:lol you probably thought Sarah Palin was a slam-dunk too...

Conservatives never liked him from the get go, tbh, but he's won and won big (especially on his re-election). I don't know how that's divisive. The only 'division' is that conservatives never liked him.

I didn't like he uncle-tom'ed to Wall Street, but you can't deny the dude is finishing his presidency in style, even more so compared to dubya...

And I'm no fan of Shillary either...

[baseline bum]

Hate to say it but Trump needs the mother of all terror attacks to seal it...a mini-9/11.

He's not running against FDR, he's going against maybe the worst Dem nominee since Gore or Dukakis. This election is very much up for grabs.

[ElNono]

imo, obama>bill clinton when it comes to delivering powerful speeches, not even close.

both obamas, tbh

[baseline bum]

So who do you got, hilary or donald......not who do you want or even who you are voting for, but who do you see winning?......

I say trump wins in a very close decision

The lesbian on both counts

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Take away his teleprompter and he becomes a stuttering dufus. He ends up sounding like one of those brain dead athletes...um um um um you kbow um you know

From Sean Hannity to Biggems to you.

[TheGreatYacht]

imo, obama>bill clinton when it comes to delivering powerful speeches, not even close.
Agreed. Paid Bill back for those speeches in 08' & 12'

GOATS

[DarrinS]

This was the best night of their convention -- by far.

[Reck]

Biggems is melting down harder than one of TSA tedious walls of texts. :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

He's not running against FDR, he's going against maybe the worst Dem nominee since Gore or Dukakis. This election is very much up for grabs.

Yeah, but Trump is running primarily on fear mongering and little else. That feeling can be fleeting. He sure as fuck doesn't want the American people uplifted or feeling good because that doesn't feed into his narrative. He needs the American people scared of their own shadows and feeling doubt. When bad shit happens Trump grows stronger.

[hitmanyr2k]

The Obamas are going to make a killing from speaking fees and book sales once they're out of office.

[ElNono]

Who's speaking tomorrow besides Shillary, tbh? Antonio Sabato, Jr? oh wait

[angrydude]

Yeah, but Trump is running primarily on fear mongering and little else. That feeling can be fleeting. He sure as fuck doesn't want the American people uplifted or feeling good because that doesn't feed into his narrative. He needs the American people scared of their own shadows and feeling doubt. When bad shit happens Trump grows stronger.

Well, since bad shit happens approximately every 72 hours, looks like Trump is going to be very strong.

Lol at the left decrying the cult of the "strongman" Donald Trump when all they want to do is suck Obama's dick over and over.

Looking forward to Hillary's monotone shouting speech tomorrow.

[vy65]

How can you guys get so enthused about fucking speeches at a political convention? :lol

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Nurnberg/Nurnberg27.jpg

[baseline bum]

Yeah, but Trump is running primarily on fear mongering and little else. That feeling can be fleeting. He sure as fuck doesn't want the American people uplifted or feeling good because that doesn't feed into his narrative. He needs the American people scared of their own shadows and feeling doubt. When bad shit happens Trump grows stronger.

Americans are easy to scare. You have to think ISIS loves the thought of a President Trump who wants to go to war with them. A terrorist attack isn't a hard thing to do, any idiot with a rifle can go kill a lot of people without much planning.

[Splits]

:lol you probably thought Sarah Palin was a slam-dunk too...

Conservatives never liked him from the get go, tbh, but he's won and won big (especially on his re-election). I don't know how that's divisive. The only 'division' is that conservatives never liked him.

I didn't like he uncle-tom'ed to Wall Street, but you can't deny the dude is finishing his presidency in style, even more so compared to dubya...

And I'm no fan of Shillary either...

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And :lmao dubya finishing in "style" with a 25% approval rating on the eve of the 2008 election

[DarrinS]

I've still never heard the MSM ask Hillary to denounce Robert KKK Byrd.

[ElNono]

And :lmao dubya finishing in "style" with a 25% approval rating on the eve of the 2008 election

that's what I'm saying... dubya was a lame duck like a year before his presidency ended... and like Barry, Congress was flipped.

Barry just coasting to the finish line...

[Splits]

Personally, didn't think it was that great of a speech but...

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[hitmanyr2k]

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And :lmao dubya finishing in "style" with a 25% approval rating on the eve of the 2008 election

It's hard to believe Ron went out with a good approval rating. That "tear down this wall" bullshit went a long way to Reagan recovering from illegally selling weapons to Iran and letting the Contras import crack into our neighborhoods under CIA protection to fund their wars. In a social media-driven, 24/7 cable news era Reagan's ass would have been toast.

[Th'Pusher]

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Nurnberg/Nurnberg27.jpg

Thats both a stupid and Inappropriate reference if you have any understanding of history.

[hitmanyr2k]

I've still never heard the MSM ask Hillary to denounce Robert KKK Byrd.

Why would they when the guy regretted the shit he did and changed from the despicable person he was? Even Obama spoke at his funeral lol.

[vy65]

Thats both a stupid and Inappropriate reference if you have any understanding of history.

Why?

Inappropriate? Lol.

[TheGreatYacht]

Who's speaking tomorrow besides Shillary, tbh? Antonio Sabato, Jr? oh wait
:lmao RNC

[TheGreatYacht]

The great thing about this is the ratings will be off the roof after Trump gave them a boost in the morning with the Russian talk. Today's speakers might've just won over a bunch of undecideds

[ElNono]

This thing is going to be neck and neck after Shillary speaks, tbh

[Splits]

:lol tbh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CobCbQTVMAAeSaf.jpg

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol tbh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CobCbQTVMAAeSaf.jpg
:lmao

[Th'Pusher]

Why?

Inappropriate? Lol.

So the question was how do you get enthused at political speeches, and you jump to The Third Reich? There has been enthusiasm at every national convention In modern American political history, yet you make a comparison to Nazi Germany? Inappropriate and ignorant of American history.

In typical vy65 fashion, you lean toward edgy (Maynard Manson) retorts to envoke emotion rather than fact based rational responses.

You're the Donald Trump equivalent of ST.

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Who's speaking tomorrow besides Shillary, tbh? Antonio Sabato, Jr? oh wait
No one important spoke except for sanders
Sanders no tpp other then that he is a socialist and it does not work

[Splits]

:wow

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CobB3YbW8AA0qLC.jpg

[Splits]

:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj-xooIUoAENp8h.jpg:large

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've still never heard the MSM ask Hillary to denounce Robert KKK Byrd.

I've never seen you denounce Jeffrey Dahmer.

[Th'Pusher]

Why?

Inappropriate? Lol.

Why not MLK, JFK, even GWB After 911?

Nazis are edgy and cool, right Maynard Manson Kadashian?

[rmt]

:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj-xooIUoAENp8h.jpg:large

Please, the 2 republicans are the father and brother of someone who was bitterly defeated by Trump in the primaries. And you believed the rosy America and world that Obama painted tonight? I don't know where you're from, but where I am - people are really hurting.

[vy65]

So the question was how do you get enthused at political speeches, and you jump to The Third Reich? There has been enthusiasm at every national convention In modern American political history, yet you make a comparison to Nazi Germany? Inappropriate and ignorant of American history.

In typical vy65 fashion, you lean toward edgy (Maynard Manson) retorts to envoke emotion rather than fact based rational responses.

You're the Donald Trump equivalent of ST.

Yes, I made that comparison. Correctly identifying the fact that I made that comparison isn't an argument. Thus, crying "Nazis!" isn't a response to my suggestion that the impulse that drives people to watch/attend/cheer for politics' version of a high school pep rally is the same impulse that drove people to fascist rallies in the 30s. I wish you had something intelligent to say about it, but you'd rather play Miss Manners and try to insult me with :lol Joe Rogan :lol

I'm sorry you're so sensitive that an idea suggested on an Internet message board offends you so much that you cry about propriety and resort to making fun of a musician I like. You really need to toughen up buddy.

[TheGreatYacht]

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This is why I love Twitter :lmao

[vy65]

Why not MLK, JFK, even GWB After 911?

Nazis are edgy and cool, right Maynard Manson Kadashian?

Those are also salient examples, but not quite analogous since they weren't rally's for a political party (although I dunno what you mean by JFK, that's really vague). Do any of your suggestions discredit mine? Or does the mention of Nazism offend you so much that you run to your safe space?

[Th'Pusher]

Yes, I made that comparison. Correctly identifying the fact that I made that comparison isn't an argument. Thus, crying "Nazis!" isn't a response to my suggestion that the impulse that drives people to watch/attend/cheer for politics' version of a high school pep rally is the same impulse that drove people to fascist rallies in the 30s. I wish you had something intelligent to say about it, but you'd rather play Miss Manners and try to insult me with :lol Joe Rogan :lol

I'm sorry you're so sensitive that an idea suggested on an Internet message board offends you so much that you cry about propriety and resort to making fun of a musician I like. You really need to toughen up buddy.

It's not that it offends me, but while the comparison may be construed as accurate in very broad terms, it was wildly inaccurate if you're to take into account any historical context.

The reason for your "edgy" post was simply to garner attention.

Or will you honestly stand behind your implied claim that any of the speeches tonight were fascist in nature? If so, which ones? I look forward to dismantling your feeble arguments.

[Shastafarian]

Please, the 2 republicans are the father and brother of someone who was bitterly defeated by Trump in the primaries. And you believed the rosy America and world that Obama painted tonight? I don't know where you're from, but where I am - people are really hurting.

This is just too perfect coming from the person who thinks Rick Scott is an awesome governor. Just incredible.

[vy65]

It's not that it offends me, but while the comparison may be construed as accurate in very broad terms, it was wildly inaccurate if you're to take into account any historical context.

The reason for your "edgy" post was simply to garner attention.

Or will you honestly stand behind your implied claim that any of the speeches tonight were fascist in nature? If so, which ones? I look forward to dismantling your feeble arguments.

My implied claim? Edgy? These are creations of your mind.

The question was: what motivates people to get caught up in these political rallies. All I'm suggesting is that the impulse that makes people say "yay Red Team" or "yay Blue team," is the same impulse that made people say "yay Nazis." That's an assertion that you haven't responded to -- playing Miss Manners, accusing me of being edgy, and T:lol:loll aren't arguments.

And I never once said, or suggested, the DNC is a nazi rally. Nor did I call any of the speeches explicitly or implied fascist. That's just your feigned outrage talking. All I said is that the impulse that drives people to cheer for this bullshit is the same impulse that drove people to cheer for the Nazis bullshit. Why is that so hard to understand?

[ElNono]

boutons and ducks are perfect examples why certain people get enthused at political speeches.... also what happens when you get dropped on your head as a baby, tbh

[DarrinS]

I've never seen you denounce Jeffrey Dahmer.

But Jeffrey Dahmer isn't my mentor. Thanks for making my point.

[ElNono]

:lol did the Bidenator really drop the malarkey line again? Didn't watch his speech...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But Jeffrey Dahmer isn't my mentor. Thanks for making my point.

Well it's great to see tha all the articles talking about this are on DailyCaller. Spoonfed moron is moron.


However, in 1952 Byrd avowed that "After about a year, I became disinterested [in the KKK], quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization,

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/


"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."


The NAACP is saddened by the passing of United States Senator Robert Byrd. Byrd, the longest serving member of congress was first elected to the U.S. House from [West Virginia] in 1952 and was elected Senator in 1958. Byrd passed away this morning at the age of 92.

"Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation," stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. "Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

"Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation," stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. "Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed."

http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-mourns-the-passing-of-u.s.-senator-robert-byrd/

So exactly who is she supposed to explain to? You whitey?

[Splits]

Please, the 2 republicans are the father and brother of someone who was bitterly defeated by Trump in the primaries. And you believed the rosy America and world that Obama painted tonight? I don't know where you're from, but where I am - people are really hurting.

:lol Romney also hates him
:lol McCain no-show, hates him
:lol Reagan's decedents hate him
:lol decrepit Dole only one who shows up to the RNC shitshow
:lol not a single Republican standard bearer vouches for him

:cry people are really hurting :cry

How bad were people hurting at the end of 2008, when your president presided over 2 million job losses in 4 months (http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/), the worst in 60 years? Handed off the country to the next administration in complete and total disaster?

:cry america sucks :cry
:cry we need a strong-armed dictator to restore order :cry
:cry let's torture people :cry
:cry let's kill the families of suspected terrorists :cry
:cry make america great again :cry






:cry :cry :cry why are teachers teaching climate change in science class? :cry :cry :cry
:cry home schooling FTW :cry

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Romney also hates him
:lol McCain no-show, hates him
:lol Reagan's decedents hate him
:lol decrepit Dole only one who shows up to the RNC shitshow
:lol not a single Republican standard bearer vouches for him

:cry people are really hurting :cry

How bad were people hurting at the end of 2008, when your president presided over 2 million job losses in 4 months (http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/), the worst in 60 years? Handed off the country to the next administration in complete and total disaster?

:cry america sucks :cry
:cry we need a strong-armed dictator to restore order :cry
:cry let's torture people :cry
:cry let's kill the families of suspected terrorists :cry
:cry make america great again :cry






:cry :cry :cry why are teachers teaching climate change in science class? :cry :cry :cry
:cry home schooling FTW :cry
OMFG

[/THREAD]

[z0sa]

Both parties suck really, really, really bad. Going one team or the other means an L for you.

[spurraider21]

First ISIS mention -- day 3
Now we'll start winning the war!

[spurraider21]

both obamas, tbh
All 3 if you count melania

[rmt]

This is just too perfect coming from the person who thinks Rick Scott is an awesome governor. Just incredible.

Rick Scott has done a very good job with education (which is the single most important thing to pull people out of poverty) but that is something that takes a long time to reap the benefits of. He cannot undo the rules/regulations of eg. Obamacare that Obama has weighed businesses down with - nor failure of local governments to follow through with their promises e.g. Miami-Dade's 1/2 cent tax for mass transit.

[Splits]

e.g. Miami-Dade's 1/2 cent tax for mass transit.

Are you claiming a half-penny tax increase is holding down your community?

[Shastafarian]

Rick Scott has done a very good job with educationProof?


(which is the single most important thing to pull people out of poverty)Says who?


but that is something that takes a long time to reap the benefits of. He cannot undo the rules/regulations of eg. Obamacare that Obama has weighed businesses down with - nor failure of local governments to follow through with their promises e.g. Miami-Dade's 1/2 cent tax for mass transit.

Cool story. I'll wait here for proof Rick Scott is a good governor and the disadvantaged of Florida are BETTER off with him as governor.

[Splits]

:lol rmt

[rmt]

:lol Romney also hates him
:lol McCain no-show, hates him
:lol Reagan's decedents hate him
:lol decrepit Dole only one who shows up to the RNC shitshow
:lol not a single Republican standard bearer vouches for him

:cry people are really hurting :cry

How bad were people hurting at the end of 2008, when your president presided over 2 million job losses in 4 months (http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/), the worst in 60 years? Handed off the country to the next administration in complete and total disaster?

:cry america sucks :cry
:cry we need a strong-armed dictator to restore order :cry
:cry let's torture people :cry
:cry let's kill the families of suspected terrorists :cry
:cry make america great again :cry






:cry :cry :cry why are teachers teaching climate change in science class? :cry :cry :cry
:cry home schooling FTW :cry

Yes, the whole Republican establishment HATES him - while the Democrat nominee is the epitome of the corrupt, status quo, gravy train that both sides have going on in Washington DC. So if you want the donors and top 1% (who are funding Hillary at the tune of what? $2 billion while hardly anyone will fund Trump) to continue with the same old, same old that benefits only them, give your vote to Hillary. See if she doesn't turn right around and do her donors' bidding - believe every lie and position (which changes with the wind) she spews out to get your vote.

But if you want to take a chance on someone upsetting that apple cart, someone who doesn't need this job or anyone's money, someone who is brash enough not to care what the media or the establishment thinks - give Trump a listen.

[rmt]

Are you claiming a half-penny tax increase is holding down your community?

Just who do you think (actually it's a full penny extra - 1/2 for mass transit, 1/2 cent for Jackson Memorial Hospital) an extra penny tax hurts the MOST - that's right - the poorest people. Maybe you don't have homeless/poor people where you are but there are lots here.

[rmt]

Proof?

Says who?



Cool story. I'll wait here for proof Rick Scott is a good governor and the disadvantaged of Florida are BETTER off with him as governor.

We've exchanged lots of posts on what Rick Scott has done for education - go back and look them up. What do you think pulls people out of poverty (if it's not education)?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Both parties suck really, really, really bad. Going one team or the other means an L for you.

In and of themselves sure but they don't exist in a vacuum but instead as the only viable choices available and in opposition. If you want to talk about changing our political system then great I'll be with you 100% but you still have to live in the reality as it exists. Refusing to participate doesn't make things better.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, the whole Republican establishment HATES him - while the Democrat nominee is the epitome of the corrupt, status quo, gravy train that both sides have going on in Washington DC. So if you want the donors and top 1% (who are funding Hillary at the tune of what? $2 billion while hardly anyone will fund Trump) to continue with the same old, same old that benefits only them, give your vote to Hillary. See if she doesn't turn right around and do her donors' bidding - believe every lie and position (which changes with the wind) she spews out to get your vote.

But if you want to take a chance on someone upsetting that apple cart, someone who doesn't need this job or anyone's money, someone who is brash enough not to care what the media or the establishment thinks - give Trump a listen.

Cool story but then you look at the actual policy proposals and platforms and your story quickly reveals itself as fantasy.

If you still believe in trickle down theory then you deserve all the ridicule you get.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We've exchanged lots of posts on what Rick Scott has done for education - go back and look them up. What do you think pulls people out of poverty (if it's not education)?

Wishful thinking on policy outcomes doesn't mitigate the poverty rate which went up while median household income decreased.

[Pelicans78]

It's hard to believe Ron went out with a good approval rating. That "tear down this wall" bullshit went a long way to Reagan recovering from illegally selling weapons to Iran and letting the Contras import crack into our neighborhoods under CIA protection to fund their wars. In a social media-driven, 24/7 cable news era Reagan's ass would have been toast.

Standing up to the Soviets is what he's known for and he did help to bring the Cold War to an end by making the Soviets go bankrupt spending on military and foreign wars. Reagan's first term was really good, but he didn't have the same advisors/cabinet in his 2nd term and that hurt him when it came to the Iran Contra, lack of spending on AIDS research, and letting crony capitalism get out of control. But his approach to the Soviets was Kennedy like and ultimately helped bring the Cold War to an end. Plus he always had a positive message which appealed to everyone.

[boutons_deux]

St Ronnie was a fucking disaster.

Corporate inversions, costing the USA $100Bs in corporate taxes? St Ronnie

USSR went bankrupt from a decades-long mismanaged economy (couldn't feed itself, bought wheat from USA), collapse of oil price (only source of hard currency, $$$), and Afghanistan. St Ronnie had fuck all to do with any of that.

He fucked up Central America which is still fucked up, sending 100Ks of refugees to USA.

He and his Repugs have NO major accomplishments. voodoo economics, trickle down, laffer curve, and of course he pandered to southern racists, opened his campgaign in famous Philadelphia MI, and was all for Confederate "states rights".

[Biggems]

So the question was how do you get enthused at political speeches, and you jump to The Third Reich? There has been enthusiasm at every national convention In modern American political history, yet you make a comparison to Nazi Germany? Inappropriate and ignorant of American history.

In typical vy65 fashion, you lean toward edgy (Maynard Manson) retorts to envoke emotion rather than fact based rational responses.

You're the Donald Trump equivalent of ST.

It was actually a good take. Germany was beaten down and in ruins after WWI.....hitler comes in with his agenda and powerful message and gives an entire nation hope again, somethong to believe in and fight for......whether it was evil or not, doesn't matter......the point is, his political speeches brought great energy and excitement to his audiences.

[Chinook]

Hitler's message was essentially, "Make Germany great again." So if we're going to throw out the tired analogy of "X = Hitler", I think people are using poor points of comparison.

[boutons_deux]

REPUBLICANS ACCUSE OBAMA OF USING POSITION AS PRESIDENT TO LEAD COUNTRY


WASHINGTON — Responding to reports that President Obama is considering signing as many as nineteen executive orders on gun control, Republicans in Congress unleashed a blistering attack on him today, accusing Mr. Obama of “cynically and systematically using his position as President to lead the country.”

Spearheading the offensive was Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas), who charged the President with the “wanton exploitation of powers that are legally granted to him under the U.S. Constitution.”

Calling him the “Law Professor-in-Chief,” Rep. Stockman accused Mr. Obama of “manipulating a little-known section of the Constitution,” Article II, which outlines the power of the President.

“President Obama looks down the list of all of the powers that are legally his and he’s like a kid in a candy store,” Rep. Stockman said. “It’s nauseating.”

The Texas congressman said that if Mr. Obama persists in executing the office of the Presidency as defined by the Constitution, he could face “impeachment and/or deportation.”

Noting that the President has not yet signed the executive orders on gun control, Rep. Stockman said that he hoped his stern words would serve as a wake-up call to Mr. Obama:

“Mr. President, there’s still time for you to get in line. But if you continue to fulfill the duties of President of the United States that are expressly permitted in the Constitution, you are playing with fire.”

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/republicans-accuse-obama-of-using-position-as-president-to-lead-country (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/republicans-accuse-obama-of-using-position-as-president-to-lead-country)

[Shastafarian]

We've exchanged lots of posts on what Rick Scott has done for education - go back and look them up. What do you think pulls people out of poverty (if it's not education)?

It's just I can't remember which talking points you have mentioned which are actually BS. Here have some fun with this: https://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/tag/rick-scott/


The first bill Scott signed into law required all state school districts to design a system to evaluate teachers and then pay teachers based on their rating.

The bill also stripped long-term teacher contracts, riling teachers and their unions and sparking a lawsuit challenging the law.


Scott also angered many when he vetoed capital funding for repairs and construction at traditional public schools and universities while signing off on similar money for charters.


Gov. Rick Scott’s budget veto list broke records Tuesday, and education projects weren’t spared despite Scott’s emphasis on K-12 funding this year.


But during his first year in office, he balanced the budget by cutting $1.3 billion from public schools.

^ Some highlights of how awesome Rick Scott is for underprivileged kids seeking an education.

[boutons_deux]

It's just I can't remember which talking points you have mentioned which are actually BS. Here have some fun with this: https://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/tag/rick-scott/

^ Some highlights of how awesome Rick Scott is for underprivileged kids seeking an education.

Scott is a KocK Bros/ALEC/VRWC dream puppet governor, which means he's a nightmare for the 99%, but some the 99% are too fucking stupid to see the nightmare.

[FromWayDowntown]

How bad were people hurting at the end of 2008, when your president presided over 2 million job losses in 4 months (http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/), the worst in 60 years? Handed off the country to the next administration in complete and total disaster?

Without cosigning your post, I think the general point of comparing things right now to things at the end of 2008 is the Democrats' most powerful position if they're going to play the "everything is pretty awesome" point of rhetoric.

The President, I think, did a good job in his speech of saying - basically - that if you think things are bad right now, you should remember where we were in 2008. He can make a pretty clear argument that what portions of his policies did get enacted early in his first term have at least held the macro economy pretty steady for the ensuing 6 years and that there have been objective signs of growth on that macro level.

He can also make a strong argument -- one I expect to become more prevalent as the campaign wears on and this becomes at least in part about some down-ballot races -- that he's been completely stymied in trying to accomplish anything since the GOP reclaimed the Congress by their absolute obstruction of anything that this President offers.

His evidence will be that what he's done has generally worked and the argument/inference he can offer will be that if he'd been permitted to continue implementing his policies, those policies would have lifted more people.

Obviously, there will be substantial disagreement from the Right about that notion, but taking that tack allows the Democrats to stick with the notion that things are better now than they were in 2008 (when even more people were hurting), while putting the "Obstruct Everything" plank of the Republican philosophy on the ballot.

[rmt]

It's just I can't remember which talking points you have mentioned which are actually BS. Here have some fun with this: https://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/tag/rick-scott/









^ Some highlights of how awesome Rick Scott is for underprivileged kids seeking an education.

Under Rick Scott, K-12 school choice will happen - kids will be able to go to any public school they choose (as long as there is space) even across county lines. What you see as stripping long-term teacher contracts, riling teachers and their unions - I see as a good thing for kids - getting rid of bad teachers. You would prefer to side with teachers' unions to the detriment of our kids. I say get rid of bad teachers, allow school competition and kids to go to better schools of their choice.

Under Rick Scott, we continue to have very low college tuition $6K+ for a year's tuition at UF and other state universities. We have Bright Future's Scholarship that pays about 1/2 of college tuition - there's Florida Incentive Scholarship for National Merit honors to keep our best students in FL and there will be $10k (total for 4 years) degrees.

[ducks]

John Mccain hates him because he is bought and is part of the establishment and has been in congress 33 years
he also is afraid trump will cause him not to get relected but it it is his sorry ass that is the problem!

[FromWayDowntown]

John Mccain hates him because he is bought and is part of the establishment and has been in congress 33 years
he also is afraid trump will cause him not to get relected but it it is his sorry ass that is the problem!

I guess then that it must be that nobody dislikes Trump because Trump proposes things (and says things) that reasonable people could think are reckless or worse.

In the end, the only reason people could possibly dislike Trump is that they are part of the establishment and have been bought and sold by special interests, leaving them wholly incapable of thinking for themselves.

[boutons_deux]

"the only reason people could possibly dislike Trump is that they are part of the establishment "

:lol should this be blue'd? :lol

[ducks]

Obama Refers to Himself 119 Times During Hillary Nominating Speech

[ducks]

I have no respect for john maccain all he does is fly home on weekends and watch dbacks game and they shove his face on tv
now he is trying to use a former dback player on tv to help get his sorry but relected
and do not forget he will be sure to tell you 100000 of times he was captured in a war

[ducks]

both parties are bought by lobisist and special interest groups
that is why they fear a trump becoming president!

[FromWayDowntown]

"the only reason people could possibly dislike Trump is that they are part of the establishment "

:lol should this be blue'd? :lol

I'm not sure who actually responds to ducks without at least a little bit of sarcasm.

[DMX7]

I can't even sit through an Obama speech anymore. I think he is smart and has done a great job. But there is a disconnect between how great he thinks things are and how great they actually are for many people.

[Spurminator]

I can't even sit through an Obama speech anymore. I think he is smart and has done a great job. But there is a disconnect between how great he thinks things are and how great they actually are for many people.

I don't know, I keep hearing how our poor are so well off that we need to cut back entitlements (they even have TV's and video game consoles), so things must be pretty good.

[Chinook]

Under Rick Scott, K-12 school choice will happen - kids will be able to go to any public school they choose (as long as there is space) even across county lines.

That's absolutely not the answer, though. All that does is give a huge advantage to people who are already in good school districts and to people who are mobile enough to go to distant schools. It's just not practical for the people who need it most. There is and there should be a huge difference between public services and private services. Having the best public services possible just needs to be the standard. There shouldn't be a competition between parents for which of their children will get to have a legitimate education.


What you see as stripping long-term teacher contracts, riling teachers and their unions - I see as a good thing for kids - getting rid of bad teachers. You would prefer to side with teachers' unions to the detriment of our kids.

I think that's about as optimistic as one could look at that. I don't know if you know many teachers, but from the ones I know, it's a thankless job that doesn't need to become more thankless by people instantly antagonizing them. While there are definitely teachers who both need to go and who need a kick in the pants to increase their performance, there are many who care but are at the breaking point. I've been at schools where all the good teachers up and left in the span of a couple of years due to different management standards. We went from an up-and-coming Gates school to Lean on Me almost overnight. You can't leverage people's feelings of commitment forever. Those who have the means to get out will eventually.


Under Rick Scott, we continue to have very low college tuition $6K+ for a year's tuition at UF and other state universities. We have Bright Future's Scholarship that pays about 1/2 of college tuition - there's Florida Incentive Scholarship for National Merit honors to keep our best students in FL and there will be $10k (total for 4 years) degrees.

Now that's cool, provided it is indeed how you've presented it here. It's definitely a step in the right direction to have cheap tuition for public universities.

[boutons_deux]

I can't even sit through an Obama speech anymore. I think he is smart and has done a great job. But there is a disconnect between how great he thinks things are and how great they actually are for many people.

things would be a LOT BETTER for 10Ms if the Repugs hadn't been firing Ms of people, cutting govt budgets at all levels, blocking govt stimulus, etc.

[DMX7]

I don't know, I keep hearing how our poor are so well off that we need to cut back entitlements (they even have TV's and video game consoles), so things must be pretty good.

Many do of course, but those can be had quite cheap, so it shouldn't justify benefit cut backs especially when we are wasting money elsewhere.

[DMX7]

things would be a LOT BETTER for 10Ms if the Repugs hadn't been firing Ms of people, cutting govt budgets at all levels, blocking govt stimulus, etc.

We would have even more debt with more gov stimulus. But yes, republicans have plenty to do with the bad side of the economy.

[Chinook]

We would have even more debt with more gov stimulus. But yes, republicans have plenty to do with the bad side of the economy.

The debt really isn't an issue. The issue is the deficit and the long-term projection of it. Like if you're $100k in debt because you just bought a sports car, that's stupid. If you're $100k in debt because you just bought your first home, that's fine. If you're $100k in debt because you've just bought a flip that you've agreed to sell for $140k in two weeks, well that's fantastic.

If the stimulus is working, then it being a bigger seems like a good thing.

[rmt]

That's absolutely not the answer, though. All that does is give a huge advantage to people who are already in good school districts and to people who are mobile enough to go to distant schools. It's just not practical for the people who need it most. There is and there should be a huge difference between public services and private services. Having the best public services possible just needs to be the standard. There shouldn't be a competition between parents for which of their children will get to have a legitimate education.



I think that's about as optimistic as one could look at that. I don't know if you know many teachers, but from the ones I know, it's a thankless job that doesn't need to become more thankless by people instantly antagonizing them. While there are definitely teachers who both need to go and who need a kick in the pants to increase their performance, there are many who care but are at the breaking point. I've been at schools where all the good teachers up and left in the span of a couple of years due to different management standards. We went from an up-and-coming Gates school to Lean on Me almost overnight. You can't leverage people's feelings of commitment forever. Those who have the means to get out will eventually.



Now that's cool, provided it is indeed how you've presented it here. It's definitely a step in the right direction to have cheap tuition for public universities.

They are already doing magnet schools which are deliberately located in bad neighborhoods but the parents do not take advantage of them (they require a special early application). School choice will open up all schools say, along the route to work or near to other relatives. At least, it gives parents and kids a choice - instead of being stuck in bad neighborhood schools.

What are your ideas of how to improve education - specifically k-12?

[boutons_deux]

Trash, nor ANY Repug, would ever deliver this kind of speech:

"See, my grandparents, they came from the heartland," President Obama said last night in his address to the Democratic National Convention.

"Their ancestors began settling there about 200 years ago. I don't know if they had their birth certificates, but they were there." :lol

"They were Scotch-Irish mostly, farmers, teachers, ranch hands, pharmacists, oil rig workers. Hardy, small-town folk. Some were Democrats, but a lot of them, maybe even most of them, were Republicans, the party of Lincoln."

"And my grandparents explained that folks in these parts, they didn't like show-offs, they didn't admire braggarts or bullies."

"They didn't respect mean-spiritedness or folks who were always looking for shortcuts in life. Instead, what they valued were traits like honesty and hard work, kindness, courtesy, humility, responsibility; helping each other out. That's what they believed in. True things, things that last, the things we try to teach our kids."

"And what my grandparents understood was that these values weren't limited to Kansas. They weren't limited to small towns. These values could travel to Hawaii. They could travel even to the other side of the world, where my mother would end up working to help poor women get a better life trying to apply those values."

"My grandparents knew these values weren't reserved for one race; they could be passed down to a half-Kenyan grandson, or a half-Asian granddaughter; in fact, they were the same values Michelle's parents, the descendants of slaves, taught their own kids living in a bungalow on the south side of Chicago."

"They knew these values were exactly what drew immigrants here, and they believed that the children of those immigrants were just as American as their own, whether they wore a cowboy hat or a yarmulke, a baseball cap or a hijab."

"America has changed over the years. But these values that my grandparents taught me, they haven't gone anywhere. They're as strong as ever; still cherished by people of every party, every race, every faith. They live on in each of us. What makes us American, what makes us patriots is what's in here [pointing to heart]."

"That's what matters."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/27/president-obamas-speech-at-the-democratic-convention/

[DMX7]

The debt really isn't an issue. The issue is the deficit and the long-term projection of it. Like if you're $100k in debt because you just bought a sports car, that's stupid. If you're $100k in debt because you just bought your first home, that's fine. If you're $100k in debt because you've just bought a flip that you've agreed to sell for $140k in two weeks, well that's fantastic.

If the stimulus is working, then it being a bigger seems like a good thing.

The stimulus would not have been the most latter of your analogies. That's a massive over promise of the effects of stimulus.

[boutons_deux]

That's a massive over promise of the effects of stimulus.

Obama's stimulus worked, as did his saving GM and Chrysler. Obama's stimulus was $2T too small.

Meanwhile, the Repug bullshit wars and their decades of aftermath incinerate many $Ts, while making America, and the West, less safe (but BigOil profited, profits fantastically)

[DMX7]

Meanwhile, the Repug bullshit wars and their decades of aftermath incinerate many $Ts, while making America, and the West, less safe (but BigOil profited, profits fantastically)

So it worked but it was too small? You just contradicted yourself within two sentences. I agree we needed stimulus when the economy was in collapse, but we got about 85% of what was ideal in my opinion. A whole lot more stimulus would have yielded substantially diminished returns on investment.

[Chinook]

They are already doing magnet schools which are deliberately located in bad neighborhoods but the parents do not take advantage of them (they require a special early application). School choice will open up all schools say, along the route to work or near to other relatives. At least, it gives parents and kids a choice - instead of being stuck in bad neighborhood schools.

I had a much longer rant about magnet schools here. But I'll just summarize to say that in Austin, at least, the magnet parts ended up walling themselves off from the "native populations". So rather than seeming like a light in a sea of darkness, it was more like a colony folks who interacted with their surroundings as little as possible. And the recruitment sucks. I was lucky in that it would've been manageable for my family, but for less fortunate people, getting across town wasn't practical.


What are your ideas of how to improve education - specifically k-12?

Well, I think a standard national curriculum is a nice start. We don't live in the age of city-states anymore. I understand having classes like regional history or tailoring some classes to fit the area. But it simply shouldn't be up to state legislatures to determine which scientific narrative's going to be considered truth within their borders.

I think teachers do need to be held accountable, but I also think they need to be paid more. If you offer enough money, more people will want to be teachers, and you can be more selective. If you treat them like professionals instead of laborers, you can probably get past most of the union squabbling. That'd also let you raise the educational standards for teachers, meaning you can get ones who actually went to school specifically to do the job rather than ones who just sort of floundered into it. How many people are seriously going to schlep their way through a master's degree?

The biggest thing is literally guaranteeing a consistent school experience for every school. Sure, you aren't going to have that one really awesome teacher anywhere you go. I mean, these guys are professionals now and have a right to work where they want. But you do everything in your power, incentivize to whatever extent it takes, to get the good ones to disperse. And you do what you have to to guarantee a safe learning environment, even though that will cost more money for poorer schools. And that protection should extend to commutes to and from the schools, as it does in college campuses. It's making sure that stressed, hard-working parents get the support they need while punishing negligent parents.

I'm not sure if that's specific enough for you. That might sound like wishful thinking, and it might sound too expensive to be practical. But by far, the government's biggest priority should be on education and health care. You guarantee a basic standard of health and the means to improve your station, and you can cut down on most other entitlements.

[Chinook]

The stimulus would not have been the most latter of your analogies. That's a massive over promise of the effects of stimulus.

The point is that debt is fine so long as it's good debt (investment in capital). And it's tolerable so long as it's needed debt (mortgage). It's bad if it's just spending to spend (sports car).

[boutons_deux]

So it worked but it was too small? You just contradicted yourself within two sentences.

no contradiction, except in your limited head.

also, your opinion that the stimulus was nearly sufficient is bullshit. Stimulus should have been $3T+ and made available until it was all spent, unlike the Repugs who wanted to put unspent stimulus to pay down the debt.

the Fed bailed out criminal BigFinance with several $Ts (much of it secret at the time), but the Obama stimulus was too small to bail out the Real Economy (aka, non-BigFinance).

I read where only about 15% of the Fed's $Ts to BigFinance actually got into the Real Economy. The rest simply stayed in the BigFinance casino and/or went into salaries and bonuses, much of which went back into to the casino.

sewage+water treatment/distribution, electrical grid repair/modernization, road + bridges, dam removals, National Parks and Monuments, etc, are targets for govt investments, creating real jobs and real, long-term value.

America is crumbling 60+ years after the infrastructure explosion after WWII, and the Repugs refuse to finance repairs, investments, while pushing to privatize federal lands, National Parks, wetlands

Fuck the Repugs, and fuck all you Repug voters.

[spurraider21]

sending 100Ks of refugees to USA.
So now refugees are bad?

[hater]

Obama Refers to Himself 119 Times During Hillary Nominating Speech

:lmao he's a fucking lunatic

[boutons_deux]

So now refugees are bad?

not for me, maybe for you, and for all the xenophobes who hate the economic, political, war refugees that Repugs have created by dicking around in other countries.

[hitmanyr2k]

Apparently Donald isn't enjoying this news. The DNC was supposed to be the "boring" convention...

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/media/democratic-convention-ratings-day-three/

[TheGreatYacht]

Today:

Hillary Clinton
Chelsea Clinton
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Katy Perry

[hater]

Today:

Hillary Clinton
Chelsea Clinton
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Katy Perry

Horrible lineup. They would still beat the 16 Lakers thou

[hater]

Damns somebody just self immolated himself in protest of Shillary :wow

Shuts getting reel for ShillAdolph Clintler

[ducks]

Donald Trump was omitted from a Google search of presidential candidates earlier this week because of a "technical bug" in the search engine's information mapping system used for filtering top results.

"We found a technical bug in 'Search' where only the presidential candidates participating in an active primary election were appearing in a Knowledge Graph result," a Google spokesman told Snopes.com on Wednesday. "Because the Republican and Libertarian primaries have ended, those candidates did not appear.

[TheGreatYacht]

They would still beat the 16 Lakers thou
:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Hillary has received 42 million in contributions from Wall street firms so far and Trump has received $100,000.

They clearly know which candidate they can buy.

[boutons_deux]

Hillary has received 42 million in contributions from Wall street firms so far and Trump has received $100,000.

They clearly know which candidate they can buy.

yawn, we knew that years ago, dramatized by her astonishing shakedown tour between resigning from State and announcing for Pres.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Spurminator]

It's probably in the market's interest for Trump to lose the election for a lot of reasons.

[CosmicCowboy]

yawn, we knew that years ago, dramatized by her astonishing shakedown tour between resigning from State and announcing for Pres.

Thanks for the heads up.

Talking about campaign contributions for 2016.

Not her other bribes.

[rmt]

It's probably in the market's interest for Trump to lose the election for a lot of reasons.

Well, if you feel that way, buy stocks ahead of a Hillary win. Otoh, if you feel a Trump win will crash the market, pull out money ahead and wait for cheap pickings.

[boutons_deux]

Talking about campaign contributions for 2016.

Not her other bribes.

Trash said he was rich, very rich, implying nobody could buy him, he had his own money. But now he's groveling around asking for donations, and failing. He's going to be trashed in so many ways.

[rmt]

boutons, he's campaigning for other repubs too. You really expect him to try to match Hillary's $2 billion with his own money?

[Spurminator]

Well, if you feel that way, buy stocks ahead of a Hillary win. Otoh, if you feel a Trump win will crash the market, pull out money ahead and wait for cheap pickings.

I mean, that goes without saying, but I'm not the type to necessarily hope for market disarray and general social chaos just so I can get stocks cheaper. That seems kind of sociopathic imo.

[SnakeBoy]

Dems brought out the tranny.

[DMX7]

boutons, he's campaigning for other repubs too. You really expect him to try to match Hillary's $2 billion with his own money?

He doesn't have that kind of cash even if wanted to. He would have to sell buildings or take out loans against them. Guys like Bloomberg or Ichan probably could come up with that kind of cash via their liquid assets if they wanted to...

[boutons_deux]

Dems brought out the tranny.

Repugs nominated Trash.

[baseline bum]

You guys are nuts getting your nipples hard over these speeches from last night. You all hyped the shit out of Kaine's and Biden's speeches so I watched some of each and they were nothing special. Ooh, Kaine said Trump said "Trust Me" over and over. Political conventions are vomit inducing.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dems brought out the tranny.
Trump brought Caitlin Jenner to speak to repugs last week :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Obama's stimulus worked, as did his saving GM and Chrysler. Obama's stimulus was $2T too small.


Tarp was Bush as was the auto bailout. Nice try shithead.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-americans-think-obama-not-bush-enacted-bank-bailouts-poll-shows/
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-was-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers

[Reck]

Trump brought Caitlin Jenner to speak to repugs last week :lol

Caitlyn Jenner: It was easy to come out trans; hard to come out Republicanhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/20/caitlyn-jenner-rnc-trump-cleveland/87337344/

:lmao

Not even trannies wanna go down on them repugs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Caitlyn Jenner: It was easy to come out trans; hard to come out Republican

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/20/caitlyn-jenner-rnc-trump-cleveland/87337344/

:lmao

Not even trannies wanna go down on them repugs.
:lmao

[DarrinS]

You guys are nuts getting your nipples hard over these speeches from last night. You all hyped the shit out of Kaine's and Biden's speeches so I watched some of each and they were nothing special. Ooh, Kaine said Trump said "Trust Me" over and over. Political conventions are vomit inducing.

I hear you. I thought Obama's was pretty good, but it was mostly about himself.

[DarrinS]

Lol, Pelosi is senile as fuck.

[hater]

It's probably in the market's interest for Trump to lose the election for a lot of reasons.

"the market"?? U mean the wall street billionaires. They are the ones who decide how much and who to contribute to. U think they do it for "the market"?? :lmao they do it for their own selfish greedy purposes.

[ducks]

Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer said Wednesday the Clinton campaign essentially admitted there is work-related information in the 30,000 emails she deleted from her private server.

Krauthammer made his point on the Fox News program "Special Report" Wednesday evening when asked about Donald Trump's plea to Russia to release Clinton's emails if it had already hacked into her server.

"Well, that was his parting shot, and it was a clever thing to plant, because it is an issue," Krauthammer said. "But I do think there was something about his reference to Russia which, whether planned or not, is extremely clever.

"I'm not the first to point out that it set a trap that the Clinton campaign fell right into."












Krauthammer then explained how the Clinton campaign contradicted itself over earlier claims that the emails Clinton deleted from her private server she used for government work were all personal.

"In that statement that you showed from the Clinton campaign, it said, you're inviting a foreign power to invade our national security. Now, these are the emails that she deleted because they were supposedly private. These were supposedly not work related. These were the ones where she discusses her yoga lessons and wedding planning," he said.

"So if that's what really is in the 30,000 deleted emails, then there's no national security to be involved at all. So the Clinton campaign ends up admitting that perhaps there really is work-related, if not classified stuff, on the emails which she deleted, which I think would be the grounds for a charge of obstruction."

[Fabbs]

Krauthammer
"I'm not the first to point out that it set a trap that the Clinton campaign fell right into."
Takeaway?
She won't get Charles Krauthammer and his two followers votes.
Devastating.

[z0sa]

In and of themselves sure but they don't exist in a vacuum but instead as the only viable choices available and in opposition. If you want to talk about changing our political system then great I'll be with you 100% but you still have to live in the reality as it exists. Refusing to participate doesn't make things better.

You cant participate in the process without bearing responsibility for the continuation of said process. This country is full of party liners on both sides. We dont need more of them.

[ducks]

Lol
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rift-between-sanders-loyalists-democratic-brass-lingers-055038489--election.html

[Reck]

Hey I'm Michael Jordan....:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

The speech of this father of a deceased Muslim soldier

Hit the feels :depressed

[Reck]

Mr. Khan anihilated Trump. :wow

[ElNono]

All 3 if you count melania

:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol DNC paid actors to sit in Bernie delegates seats.
https://vid.me/4tYB

[TheGreatYacht]

Haven't seen many, but this DNC is one of the strongest I've ever seen

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Do you guys think the bernie bros will stop being butthurt by November or will they shill for Jill now?


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[Reck]

758805403727597568

Moron :lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

Haven't seen many, but this DNC is one of the strongest I've ever seen

Strong. :lol
It's a fucking pep rally...

[Shastafarian]

Under Rick Scott, K-12 school choice will happen - kids will be able to go to any public school they choose (as long as there is space) even across county lines. What you see as stripping long-term teacher contracts, riling teachers and their unions - I see as a good thing for kids - getting rid of bad teachers. You would prefer to side with teachers' unions to the detriment of our kids. I say get rid of bad teachers, allow school competition and kids to go to better schools of their choice.

Under Rick Scott, we continue to have very low college tuition $6K+ for a year's tuition at UF and other state universities. We have Bright Future's Scholarship that pays about 1/2 of college tuition - there's Florida Incentive Scholarship for National Merit honors to keep our best students in FL and there will be $10k (total for 4 years) degrees.

I'm sorry but I couldn't hear you over the sound of Rick Scott cutting $1.3 billion from public schools. lol But hey he tried to get Yale to move their campus to Florida. So he obviously knows what he's doing re: education.

And another LOL at charter schools being masqueraded as a referendum on school "choice". The free market works so well when unregulated in other areas, let's unleash it on our children! What could go wrong? It's incredible how full of shit your party is.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wow apparently Fox News didn't show that Muslim father on their broadcast....

[TheGreatYacht]

Strong. :lol
It's a fucking pep rally...
^ Obviously not watching it, faggot. :lmao

[Reck]

Strong. :lol
It's a fucking pep rally...

For the most part, that's what conventions are.

They are meant to make you wanna go vote. What sets this one apart is the strong speakers that have come out. Michelle, Bill, Biden, Bloomberg, Obama...just crazy.