2016-17 Training Camp Thread

[SAGirl]

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Media Day will be Monday and the team already did AV Day.

Some pictures:
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[apalisoc_9]

Team is not allowed to practice until Monday. Really wish they cut down on the preseason games. Three games max should be enough. Hopefully, Kawhi stops playing after the third game.

[SAGirl]

Team is not allowed to practice until Monday. Really wish they cut down on the preseason games. Three games max should be enough. Hopefully, Kawhi stops playing after the third game.

We shall see. I really like to watch preseason games bc the intrigue of who is getting cut has been a nail biter of sorts lately. I think Laprovittola has the best chance. I really don't know how Murray is looking and I bet Pop wants someone with some experience... but that is why I love preseason. Never know until we see these guys out there how they will do.

Last preseason JSimms looked like he really didn't belong. I expect he will look more like a veteran this time (what a difference a year makes!). Anyways, between the trining camp/dleague roster and all the rookies this preseason looks interesting to me personally.

I will leave jaded guys like TD 21 to be pessimistic out there.

[SAGirl]

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[ace3g]

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[Spurtacular]

3 or 4 spots up for grabs it looks like.

[Spurtacular]

3 or 4 spots up for grabs it looks like.

Maybe up to 5 if Fathead gets put on the chopping block :lmao:

[Spur|n|Austin]

^ doesn't understand how contracts work..

[SAGirl]

^ doesn't understand how contracts work..
or basketball unless you want to talk about Jimmer (and Larry Bird, closet Celtics fan apparently), but then again he's really a troll.

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For the Patty Mills fans:

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[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

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I had to share this one... its hilarious.

[Spurtacular]

^ doesn't understand how contracts work..

^ Doesn't get how buyouts work (especially on cheap contracts).

[Spurtacular]

or basketball unless you want to talk about Jimmer (and Larry Bird, closet Celtics fan apparently), but then again he's really a troll.

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For the Patty Mills fans:



Jimmer will be Chinese League MVP while Fathead spends another season gumming up the works in SA.

[Solid D]

Hey, I like Kyle. The kid can play. You guys are cruel.

[SAGirl]

As I said, Spurtacular just a troll. Jimmer got cut and he's stuck around to troll and that will be the last reference made to Jimmer or Spurtacular here by me at least.
BC it's a training camp thread in which Jimmer is not a part of.:lol

[YGWHI]

International basketball competition bode well for Patty, it also seems he has been hitting the weight room in the summer. :tu

[SAGirl]

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[Kikoluna]

Why is Kyle so happy? And why is he still a spur????? This is like a nightmare. And he always checks in so matter of fact, nonchalant, oh yeah , just checking in for kyle, not a big deal. When in reality , the opponent is saying, lol thanks pop. The kid that plays like an average Joe (me) is going in.

[BillMc]

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Will these games be streamed anywhere?

[Chinook]

Will these games be streamed anywhere?

I usually just go to https://www.reddit.com/r/nbastreams/ right about game time. There should be plenty to choose from (not accounting for the fact that preseason games don't have a lot of feeds).

[SAGirl]

Will these games be streamed anywhere?
I will try to look it up later if no one has found the info. I had seen a tweet with a calendar but it was difficult to read and I didn't bother to check the transmissions. I am sure either spurs.com or nba.com will post the details if they haven't already.

[BillMc]

I usually just go to https://www.reddit.com/r/nbastreams/ right about game time. There should be plenty to choose from (not accounting for the fact that preseason games don't have a lot of feeds).


I will try to look it up later if no one has found the info. I had seen a tweet with a calendar but it was difficult to read and I didn't bother to check the transmissions. I am sure either spurs.com or nba.com will post the details if they haven't already.

Cheers guys. Many thanks. :toast

[YGWHI]

Will these games be streamed anywhere?

I see that the guys mentioned reddit/nba streams. It'ss the best option.

For those League Pass' captive/stupid subscribers like me, they say they'll show Spurs preseason games. But I guess we'll see a lot of "Preseason game not televised" image...

[BillMc]

I see that the guys mentioned reddit/nba streams. It'ss the best option.

For those League Pass' captive/stupid subscribers like me, they say they'll show Spurs preseason games. But I guess we'll see a lot of "Preseason game not televised" image...

Cheers man.:flag: I've ILP but I remember the games not being on last year for some reason. So we'll see.

[monkeypunk]

RIP Ballstreams.

:bang

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Spur|n|Austin]

Gotta love Pop

[Solid D]

San Antonio Spurs: SPURS ANNOUNCE 2016-17 TRAINING CAMP ROSTER http://yi.nzc.am/9lWWe

[Spur|n|Austin]

Great interview lol

[Chinook]

I do wonder what Pop would do without basketball. Seems like he could've succeeded in many avenues.

[KDKSpurs24]

Great interview lol

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

Woooohoooo
Danny shares my excitement to see what the young guys can do this year!!!!!
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Spurstalk: We are excited to see if you Danny are getting back to LDN. :lol

[SAGirl]

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Does he look out of shape? Taking over that Diaw role?

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

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[Solid D]

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[Solid D]

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Does he look out of shape? Taking over that Diaw role?

...or David West's role. I think Kyle has some similar gifts to BoBo.

[bklynspursfan]

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Does he look out of shape? Taking over that Diaw role?

Looks the same to me tbh Similar height/weight to David West.

[bklynspursfan]

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Had to check to be sure Timmy wasn't on there and this wasn't a joke :/

[Solid D]

Had to check to be sure Timmy wasn't on there and this wasn't a joke :/

I hear ya. :tu

[TheDoctor]

Our own Tony Parker reflects on his favorites Whataburger's late night snack choices. #SpursMediaDay (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpursMediaDay?src=hash)

— San Antonio Spurs (@spurs) September 26, 2016 (https://twitter.com/spurs/status/780441110401253376)

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No surprises here tbh

[Henry Swanson]

How could I have forgotten that David Lee was on their roster? Very funny. Good luck with that one, gentlemen.

[Solid D]

One of the more eclectic groups the Spurs have had in training camp.

1. USA (10)
2. United Kingdom (1)
3. Spain (1)
4. Argentina (3)
5. Canada (1)
6. Latvia (1)
7. Australia (1)
8. France (2)
(France plus French Guiana - an overseas region of France)

[Chinook]

Only four players born in Europe. Seems low, especially since the rotation will just have two.

11 North Americans

4 South Americans

1 Australian.

[TheGreatYacht]

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Thank god we traded him. He doesn't take his job seriously anymore.

The bad side to it though is Fathead will get his minutes

[MaNu4Tres]

...or David West's role. I think Kyle has some similar gifts to BoBo.

Dedmon will fill in Wests' role as the third big or back up C.

Lee/Anderson will fill the 4th/5th big in the rotation role ( Boris/Boban).

[Kawhitstorm]

I do wonder what Pop would do without basketball. Seems like he could've succeeded in many avenues.

.....he could have been a General in the military :wakeup

[SAGirl]

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[apalisoc_9]

Cant wait for first preseason games

[TheGreatYacht]

Absolutely love Pop's answers today, and props to the media for asking him. Much different than last year's "What are your pre-game routines?" questions

[apalisoc_9]

Pop's demeanor even during the pre champiomship days is really something. I can't think of a coach that has this much charisma..its remarkable.

[SPURt]

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Thanks for posting this! I admire the human Pop is a great deal. There's been so many in sports and media weighing in on these big societal questions and Pop has been the best response I've seen by far.

[SAGirl]

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“They have always been with Timmy in that process, but I think they will pick up more of the slack,” Popovich said. “I’ll look to them to communicate with players more off the court, on the bus and on the plane, to try to make people feel comfortable. Because people learn better when they are in a comfortable situation, so those two guys have to be primarily responsible to make sure we do that.”

[Solid D]

Dedmon will fill in Wests' role as the third big or back up C.

Lee/Anderson will fill the 4th/5th big in the rotation role ( Boris/Boban).

I'mmmm not so sure Dedmon will be the first big off the bench (3rd big). You may be accurate, but there are a lot of game-by-game matchups to consider and Dedmon will have to be pretty steady and consistent to be the first one to relieve Pau or LaMarcus.

[spursistan]

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Thank god we traded him.He doesn't take his job seriously anymore.

The bad side to it though is Fathead will get his minutes

:lol...

he would have been multiple All Stars if he gave had given more shit early in his prime..But, yeah, i'm glad we moved on..

[SAGirl]

I'mmmm not so sure Dedmon will be the first big off the bench (3rd big). You may be accurate, but there are a lot of game-by-game matchups to consider and Dedmon will have to be pretty steady and consistent to be the first one to relieve Pau or LaMarcus.
Yea, that's likely to be decided through the season once Pop experiments, maybe he even starts with a lineup or rotation that is then tweaked. Not having the bigs he's had in the bench in the past will require that he figures everyone out and how they fit together. It was something Pop mentioned as being one of the exciting things for this season. If they pick up a rookie (say Laprovittola for example, or Garino) for that 15th spot, it will be the season with the most rookies Pop has ever had in his 20 years, a record. They are also relying on a 3rd season player that practically didn't play his first season to contribute and J.Simms a second year player to be consistent and reliable at what they do.


Where is Chad Forcier when you need him?
The literal answer to this rhetorical question is Orlando.
The Spurs’ longtime player-development coach took a well-deserved promotion this summer to become Frank Vogel’s lead assistant for the Magic. That move broke up the Spurs’ vaunted player-development duo of Forcier and Chip Engelland at a time when the team is poised to lean on a bevy of untested young players to fill out its bench.
The Spurs open camp with three rookies set for their opening-day roster — 20-year-old draft pick Dejounte Murray and European imports Davis Bertans and Livio Jean-Charles. They could add a fourth rookie — a Gregg Popovich-era record — depending on who secures the 15th and final roster spot.
In addition, the Spurs are counting on third-year forward Kyle Anderson and second-year guard Jonathon Simmons to provide important minutes off the bench.
Rapid, on-the-job growth of young players will be crucial to the Spurs’ title hopes this season. It represents quite an opportunity for Will Hardy, the Spurs’ former video coordinator elevated to fill Forcier’s role.


http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Five-burning-questions-for-Spurs-training-camp-9283920.php?t=4d09f40eb4927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

The article is quite interesting in other areas too, just didn't want to post the whole thing.

[spursistan]

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Not a promising look.:lol Tony looked in better shape at the start of last season..

[timtonymanu]

Damn, it's almost training camp already. I can't speak for others but this offseason went by fast

[Ice009]

Yea, that's likely to be decided through the season once Pop experiments, maybe he even starts with a lineup or rotation that is then tweaked. Not having the bigs he's had in the bench in the past will require that he figures everyone out and how they fit together. It was something Pop mentioned as being one of the exciting things for this season. If they pick up a rookie (say Laprovittola for example, or Garino) for that 15th spot, it will be the season with the most rookies Pop has ever had in his 20 years, a record. They are also relying on a 3rd season player that practically didn't play his first season to contribute and J.Simms a second year player to be consistent and reliable at what they do.



http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Five-burning-questions-for-Spurs-training-camp-9283920.php?t=4d09f40eb4927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

The article is quite interesting in other areas too, just didn't want to post the whole thing.

This is ridiculous, why can't you read any of the other articles. What's the express news worried about. They're just using quotes from the players that you can get through other avenues.

[spurs10]

Well the start of the season can never get here fast enough for me! I'll be going to the second pre-season game. I enjoy those because people get PT that may or may not be there at the RS start. Always wish them well. It's tough for all the young guys because there just isn't room for more than one of them- and Pop filling the 15th spot is far from a sure thing. Good luck to them.
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[apalisoc_9]

I guess kawhi didnt bother with media day. :lol

Crazy how no one has even gotten a simple scoop about his new born. :lol

Guy is more private than Duncan :lol

[BillMc]

Well the start of the season can never get here fast enough for me! I'll be going to the second pre-season game. I enjoy those because people get PT that may or may not be there at the RS start. Always wish them well. It's tough for all the young guys because there just isn't room for more than one of them- and Pop filling the 15th spot is far from a sure thing. Good luck to them.
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Yeah, can't wait for the season to start. Enjoy the game.

[BillMc]

Apologize if these were already published:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlVxa9fgJM

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9KELKOvJow

[ace3g]

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[Emperor]

Holy sh*t Kawhi smiling?

[Chinook]

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Never realized how low basketball numbers are.

[LittleCriminal]

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Bertans kinda looks like hes related to blake griffin...

[TheDoctor]

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Practice officially begins today. Get to know our Training Camp Roster » http://gospu.rs/2cRkYfN (https://t.co/JErOcBt9L2)

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Wrong picture. No #21.

Also, judging by his face, Parker looks really in shape. A round shape that is.

[Diego20]

Where is TD?

:depressed

[peacemaker885]

Man look at those numbers, almost in sequence. Is the Spurs the only team like that?

[gambit1990]

the start of a new era is right around the corner...

[Uriel]

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Practice officially begins today. Get to know our Training Camp Roster » http://gospu.rs/2cRkYfN (https://t.co/JErOcBt9L2)

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I have to admit, when I saw this, there were like 4 or 5 guys here where I found myself asking, "Who the fuck is that?" :lol

[BillMc]

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Practice officially begins today. Get to know our Training Camp Roster » http://gospu.rs/2cRkYfN (https://t.co/JErOcBt9L2)

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Someone should put a big red "X" over each guy as he gets cut. :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

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That #2 guy should be really good this season!

[Solid D]

Man look at those numbers, almost in sequence. Is the Spurs the only team like that?

No, especially not with numbers 20 and below, but that's because basketball traditionally uses lower numbers - 0(00) to 50 - with a few exceptions. Of the major sports, basketball has the fewest number of players on each roster. Every season, there are between five and ten players who will wear uniform numbers above "50." After Dennis Rodman left the Spurs, he chose "91," "73," and "70" with different teams.

I read somewhere a couple of years ago that "12" has been the most frequently used uniform number throughout the history of the NBA. Interestingly, "12" is the only Spurs' retired jersey that has been unretired, so that Aldridge could wear it (Bruce was being nice).

[Solid D]

As you may know, I'm an older guy...but I remember when I was in Middle School (Jr. High), we used some uniforms that were "even" numbered for home games (white jerseys) and used "odd" numbers for away games (dark/color). For example, my number was "32" at home and "33" on the road. Each player was sequenced one number higher for "odd" numbered away jerseys. I have no idea where that concept came from but I think that came from an earlier era in basketball, at least for High School and Jr. High/Middle. Once we got to High School, that tradition changed.

[NameLess Scrub]

Maybe up to 5 if Fathead gets put on the chopping block :lmao:

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[SAGirl]

Thanks for sharing the interviews Bill.I had seen them already in the Spurs website, but these ones are better because the camera angle from the press is better.
In Spurs.com you can find interviews from Tony and Manu that I posted through a tweet above.

Yep. It would seem Kawhi completely evaded media day. Tony said he was trying to skip it but wasn't able to.

[SAGirl]

Wrong picture. No #21.

Also, judging by his face, Parker looks really in shape. A round shape that is.
Doctor is on Fire!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol

[Drom John]

For a long time, basketball numbers had to be either one digit, or two digits with each digit ranging from 0 to 5.
It was a referee thing. Hold up one hand to display 0 to 5 single digits, or two hands together to show 6 to 9. Two hands spread to show a two digit number. I had trouble learning to display the first number on the right hand.
IIRC, retired numbers broke the old rules for the NBA, and the rest of the world followed.
Now refs often have to signal twice. So a call on Garino initially looks like a foul on Leonard, nope Parker. I've heard many an announcer miss the double signal. "How could they call that on Leonard!"

[peacemaker885]

No, especially not with numbers 20 and below, but that's because basketball traditionally uses lower numbers - 0(00) to 50 - with a few exceptions. Of the major sports, basketball has the fewest number of players on each roster. Every season, there are between five and ten players who will wear uniform numbers above "50." After Dennis Rodman left the Spurs, he chose "91," "73," and "70" with different teams.

I read somewhere a couple of years ago that "12" has been the most frequently used uniform number throughout the history of the NBA. Interestingly, "12" is the only Spurs' retired jersey that has been unretired, so that Aldridge could wear it (Bruce was being nice).

Thanks so much. That is very good trivia.

[Chinook]

For a long time, basketball numbers had to be either one digit, or two digits with each digit ranging from 0 to 5.
It was a referee thing. Hold up one hand to display 0 to 5 single digits, or two hands together to show 6 to 9. Two hands spread to show a two digit number. I had trouble learning to display the first number on the right hand.
IIRC, retired numbers broke the old rules for the NBA, and the rest of the world followed.
Now refs often have to signal twice. So a call on Garino initially looks like a foul on Leonard, nope Parker. I've heard many an announcer miss the double signal. "How could they call that on Leonard!"

Thanks for the perspective, as always. The NCAA still has and under-55 rule. The NBA hasn't had that rule in forever, but players tend to keep their college numbers.

[ace3g]

And so it begins...






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/574601205399224320/QmNV-iBe_bigger.jpeg Jeff Platt ‏@jeffplatt (https://twitter.com/jeffplatt)

Danny Green has a left quad contusion. Won't practice next couple days. #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash)

[Chinook]

And so it begins...






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/574601205399224320/QmNV-iBe_bigger.jpeg Jeff Platt ‏@jeffplatt (https://twitter.com/jeffplatt)

Danny Green has a left quad contusion. Won't practice next couple days. #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash)

Wonder how this will affect his ball-handling.

[LittleCriminal]

Someone should put a big red "X" over each guy as he gets cut. :lol

Im guessing #11 gets cut first...

[apalisoc_9]

And so it begins...






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/574601205399224320/QmNV-iBe_bigger.jpeg Jeff Platt ‏@jeffplatt (https://twitter.com/jeffplatt)

Danny Green has a left quad contusion. Won't practice next couple days. #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash)

Damn..that's rough. Should be able to fully recover before the second pre-season game though. Good opportunity for the wings looking for a spot to get some playing time...can easily move kawhi to SG for Garino-Bertans to get some SF playing time.

Even try out two PGs in one..

[Solid D]

Thanks for sharing the interviews Bill.I had seen them already in the Spurs website, but these ones are better because the camera angle from the press is better.
In Spurs.com you can find interviews from Tony and Manu that I posted through a tweet above.

Yep. It would seem Kawhi completely evaded media day. Tony said he was trying to skip it but wasn't able to.

I think Kawhi was there but he just didn't appear in any of the video interviews we've seen. BTW, he was interviewed at practice today.

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[Solid D]

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[Chinook]

Im guessing #11 gets cut first...

Why? Honestly, except for Tolliver, I think everyone will make it to the last couple of days. The Spurs are trying to assign the other guys to the Toros. Though maybe they do the cut early to they can see the new big-roster players more. Or maybe it goes down to the wire, because whomever they pick for the final spot will NOT be eligible to be automatically claimed by the Toros. So they have to choose wisely.

[SAGirl]

Wonder how this will affect his ball-handling.
:lol. You are on fire too. Damn Danny!!! I wonder who hit him bc it was a contusion....

Danny has been an iron man for two seasons. I wonder if they put Dijon in his spot if he's injured or J.Simms or Garino.

[Solid D]

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Aspire to be great!

[Chinook]

:lol. You are on fire too. Damn Danny!!! I wonder who hit him bc it was a contusion....

Danny has been an iron man for two seasons. I wonder if they put Dijon in his spot if he's injured or J.Simms or Garino.

I would assume that it would depend on how close they think Garino is to making the team. His best bet at making it is to show he can defend and shoot at a high level, so him taking Green's spot (and I assume guarding Kawhi) makes the most sense. If he's an almost certain Toro, then having Murray, Simmons or even LJC makes sense.

[Solid D]

Lots of candidates at the 2 besides Green. When Kawhi is playing, they've got Ginobili, Simmons, Murray, Garino, Forbes, Mills, and even Anderson in a pinch.

[Chinook]

Lots of candidates at the 2 besides Green. When Kawhi is playing, they've got Ginobili, Simmons, Murray, Garino, Forbes, Mills, and even Anderson in a pinch.

I doubt they're playing in anything that looks like a regular rotation right now. My guess is that both Green and Kawhi, and LMA and Gasol are/would be on opposing units.

[bklynspursfan]

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[apalisoc_9]

Lots of candidates at the 2 besides Green. When Kawhi is playing, they've got Ginobili, Simmons, Murray, Garino, Forbes, Mills, and even Anderson in a pinch.

I'm assuming they're all playing in different units. Garino in specific is probably playing against Kawhi units. Good opportunity for the coaching staff too see how he can handle elite SF/SG scorers defensively.

Green most likely played a more traditional 3 role in practice.

[Solid D]

I doubt they're playing in anything that looks like a regular rotation right now. My guess is that both Green and Kawhi, and LMA and Gasol are/would be on opposing units.

True. It's usually mixed up early in camp and then balanced out talent-wise for the Silver and Black game. The options as stated above still apply.

[Solid D]

In the Spurs' motion offense sets, 2s and 3s are fairly interchangeable, as are 4s and 5s. When matching up defensively, size, quickness and acuity will dictate who defends whom.

[Chinook]

That's true. So I think if the team is looking at Green's absence as a chance to see who to keep for the 15th man, Garino makes sense. Or LJC being the opposing SF also makes sense if Anderson plays next to Kawhi. Could be Simmons, but I'd like it to be someone who isn't awful on D.

[TimDunkem]

Is LJC's contract not guaranteed? Does he really have a shot at NOT making the roster?

[Chinook]

Is LJC's contract not guaranteed? Does he really have a shot at NOT making the roster?
Lol, no. LJC is making the team with a guaranteed deal. But LJC getting the nod trying to guard Leonard makes a ton of sense if the Spurs aren't concerned with figuring out the 15th spot. After all, if Livio can check NBA-caliber wings, he's a rotation player even with his warts. But I don't expect him to have the chance or for him to earn that chance until next year.

[Dex]

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[SAGirl]

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Tough subject for Patty thanks for sharing.

[SAGirl]

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Edit?: Thanks for sharing Dex! :toast

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557), leadership subject again!!
It's becoming larger than life at this point (obviously kidding). :lol
Wow, Kawhi is really talktative here, 5 minutes!

[apalisoc_9]

It looks like kawhi is confident enough to assertsl his wants in the team and there's a clear vibe that he knows he is miles better than anyone in the team. Pop touched upon this yesterday and how Kawhi is increasingly becoming more vocal on what he wants and what he doesnt want.

That was something that was absent last year since last year was a transition from him as the best clear cut best player in the team. You can tell now that he knows he's way above everyone else.

[Drom John]

Kevin Pelton's playing time assumptions for his Schoene projections.

Player Games MPG Minutes
Leonard 75 33 2475
Aldridge 76 30 2280
Gasol 76 30 2280
Green 78 27 2106
Parker 76 27 2052
Mills 76 20 1520
Lee 75 18 1350
Ginobili 74 18 1332
Anderson 78 15 1170
Simmons 78 15 1165
Dedmon 78 12 936
Bertans 78 10 780
Murray 78 3 234

Games/MPG are wonky (Murray gets more minutes per game in very few games), but the total minutes look plausible.

[Chinook]

Drom, you know I'm a fan of yours, but Pelton sucks.

[dabom]

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Of course Patty Stacks didn't think he did anything wrong. He was one of the consistent players on our team. :lol

[dabom]

Drom, you know I'm a fan of yours, but Pelton sucks.

But realgm is legit right? :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Gasol is not playing 30.

It's going to look more like this.

Kawhi 34-35
Aldridge 30
Gasol 25-27
Parker 22-24
Green 29-31
Gino 18-20
Mills 22-24
Anderson 15ish
Dedmon 15ish

Everyone else has to fight for minutes.

[TD 21]

Gasol is not playing 30.

It's going to look more like this.

Kawhi 34-35
Aldridge 30
Gasol 25-27
Parker 22-24
Green 29-31
Gino 18-20
Mills 22-24
Anderson 15ish
Dedmon 15ish

Everyone else has to fight for minutes.

Yeah and probably not mid 70's games either (same for Parker and Ginobili).

I suspect slightly more mpg for Aldridge, Parker and Anderson and slightly less for Leonard, Green and Mills.

I don't know why there's an assumption that Dedmon is clearly ahead of Lee. Hopefully he is, but I'm not convinced.

[apalisoc_9]

Yeah and probably not mid 70's games either (same for Parker and Ginobili).

I suspect slightly more mpg for Aldridge, Parker and Anderson and slightly less for Leonard, Green and Mills.

I don't know why there's an assumption that Dedmon is clearly ahead of Lee. Hopefully he is, but I'm not convinced.

I can't think of a situation where a 25 year old would allow himself to be relegated to old man minutes regardless of circumstances. I suspect kawhi, sat down with the coaching stuff to address this issue as it was clear that in the later half of the season last year, kawhi played more minutes even in blowouts.

I can't see Aldridge playing more than he did last year considering the team is looking to test out and possibly extend bench big minutes in situational cases..specially to start the season.

There is no way Green should be playing less than 29 at this point, imo.

I have hard time readind Parker and Mills..i mean id love for parker to play less and mills more..but I dont know if pop shares the same sentiment.

I think the assumption stems from Aldridge unwillingless to play the center position. Makes dedmon a better fit if he really doesnt want.

[alpha_HaZE]

Didn't Pop say that other that Pau who will be starting to begin the season, Spurs will not play the new guys as much. He mentioned Kyle
A. and Jon Simms having bigger roles, as sort of internal growth as he put it.

What is encouraging is that Kyle had his moments guarding KD during the OKC series. Jon Simms, I don't see it just yet.

[ceperez]

Just looking at this: http://www.nba.com/spurs/2016-17-preseason-guide and its like there are only 13 players in the roster.

What gives with LJC. I thought he was signed.

[Dex]

You know it's been a long offseason when just hearing the Spurs talk with basketballs bouncing in the background is like music to your ears.

[Dex]

Just looking at this: http://www.nba.com/spurs/2016-17-preseason-guide and its like there are only 13 players in the roster.

What gives with LJC. I thought he was signed.

All 20 are listed on page three, including LJC....who sucks.

[myhc]

Wow, Kawhi is talking like he's ready to take a definite leadership role. Seems more assured and confident of himself. Love it.

[tonight...you]

I can't think of a situation where a 25 year old would allow himself to be relegated to old man minutes regardless of circumstances. I suspect kawhi, sat down with the coaching stuff to address this issue as it was clear that in the later half of the season last year, kawhi played more minutes even in blowouts.

I can't see Aldridge playing more than he did last year considering the team is looking to test out and possibly extend bench big minutes in situational cases..specially to start the season.

There is no way Green should be playing less than 29 at this point, imo.

I have hard time readind Parker and Mills..i mean id love for parker to play less and mills more..but I dont know if pop shares the same sentiment.

I think the assumption stems from Aldridge unwillingless to play the center position. Makes dedmon a better fit if he really doesnt want.
No doubt Kawhi went to Pop and said "Mo' minutes, man!" and he will get it.

[Ron Swanson]

This has been the longest offseason.

[tonight...you]

This has been the longest offseason.
I thought it's been pretty quick, but I've also been pretty busy this summer, so there's that.

[TheDoctor]

Kevin Pelton's playing time assumptions for his Schoene projections.

Player Games MPG Minutes
Leonard 75 33 2475
Aldridge 76 30 2280
Gasol 76 30 2280
Green 78 27 2106
Parker 76 27 2052
Mills 76 20 1520
Lee 75 18 1350
Ginobili 74 18 1332
Anderson 78 15 1170
Simmons 78 15 1165
Dedmon 78 12 936
Bertans 78 10 780
Murray 78 3 234

Games/MPG are wonky (Murray gets more minutes per game in very few games), but the total minutes look plausible.

Damn Iceberghead playing more than 10MPG is going to sink the ship tbh

[SAGirl]

Didn't Pop say that other that Pau who will be starting to begin the season, Spurs will not play the new guys as much. He mentioned Kyle
A. and Jon Simms having bigger roles, as sort of internal growth as he put it.

What is encouraging is that Kyle had his moments guarding KD during the OKC series. Jon Simms, I don't see it just yet.
He did mention both specifically, which means their spots are theirs to lose. JSimms is at least going to get first dibs to show he can hang in the league b4 they move on from him and if they do, he might as well be calling his agent bc he will find himself in another team. Lee is a veteran. It may turn out that Lee is there more for insurance since when they asked Pop who he will be looking to in the bench he mentioned J.Simms and Anderson, not Lee, not Dedmon, not anyone else.

[dabom]

Damn Iceberghead playing more than 10MPG is going to sink the ship tbh

:lol

[tbdog]

I hope Patty starts, and let Parker go up against bench pg's and get given the green light to attack. When Parker is passive, he is pointless out there. And I think Patty suits the starting lineup inside-out game.

[spursistan]

Kevin Pelton's playing time assumptions for his Schoene projections.

Player Games MPG Minutes
Leonard 75 33 2475
Aldridge 76 30 2280
Gasol 76 30 2280
Green 78 27 2106
Parker 76 27 2052
Mills 76 20 1520
Lee 75 18 1350
Ginobili 74 18 1332
Anderson 78 15 1170
Simmons 78 15 1165
Dedmon 78 12 936
Bertans 78 10 780
Murray 78 3 234

Games/MPG are wonky (Murray gets more minutes per game in very few games), but the total minutes look plausible.

Kawhi can forget about MVP with only 33 MPG :pctoss.

[dabom]

I'd rather Kawhi get more MPG at the expense of games played. I want him to feel how it is to play BIG minutes for a prolong period.

[look_at_g_shred]

Don't care about MVP or individual accolades. I just want a ring.

[gambit1990]

This has been the longest offseason.
the offseason after we lost to the clippers felt a lot longer. to me at least.

[dabom]

the offseason after we lost to the clippers felt a lot longer. to me at least.

This offseason has been long.

[SAGirl]

Don't care about MVP or individual accolades. I just want a ring.
well said.
That is all the Spurs talk about. :flag:

[YGWHI]

Don't care about MVP or individual accolades. I just want a ring.

Well, if Kawhi plays at MVP level that would increase Spurs' odds of winning...

[YGWHI]

I want him to feel how it is to play BIG minutes for a prolong period.

This is a very important piece of Kawhi's development that Pop hasn't realized yet...

Kawhi will never be physically and mentally ready to play long minutes under pressure in playoffs, if he never has the chance to play several minutes and fight fatigue in some regular season games

[spursistan]

Well, if Kawhi plays at MVP level that would increase Spurs' odds of winning...

This....Spurs fans need to cut down on these vanilla retorts they have been imbibing and spouting all over the place ("I don't care about individual awards" etc).....Yeah because Kawhi's 2 DPOYs weren't indicative of the team overall defense the past 2 two seasons..:rolleyes..

[SAGirl]

This....Spurs fans need to cut down on these vanilla retorts they have been imbibing and spouting all over the place ("I don't care about individual awards" etc).....Yeah because Kawhi's 2 DPOYs weren't indicative of the team overall defense the past 2 two seasons..:rolleyes..
If he plays the way he needs to play he will rise to be the top or one of the top players, which he already is. It's not something he needs to seek. It will come on his way to own every other team and having to do what he needs to do for his team to succeed. And right now for the team to suceed, Kawhi will need to climb mountains. If he suceeds he will get all the accolades, but the team will also be sucessful. It's different from the empty scorer joe who puts up stats in a bad team like Harden for example, and Kawhi himself doesn't do that. Everything he does is for the good of the team. HoF type players are like that.

[apalisoc_9]

This....Spurs fans need to cut down on these vanilla retorts they have been imbibing and spouting all over the place ("I don't care about individual awards" etc).....Yeah because Kawhi's 2 DPOYs weren't indicative of the team overall defense the past 2 two seasons..:rolleyes..

Honestly, they're the most boring fans to read :lol

Very little spice and emotion. Super vanilla and cliche stuffout of their mouths. :lol

[Ice009]

I'd rather Kawhi get more MPG at the expense of games played. I want him to feel how it is to play BIG minutes for a prolong period.

I don't know how many times I've said in the past few years, but limiting minutes and sitting out players that don't need it kind of backfires IMO (especially if it's young players). The young players don't know what it's like to push through fatigue and learn to perform when tired during the playoffs. The intensity and conditioning just wasn't there during the playoffs. Tim Grover (Jordan's trainer) hates the strategy and doesn't agree with it. I never did either. The only person that should have been resting was Tim and maybe Manu (both due to age and nagging injuries they may have been carrying). No-one else should have had their minutes monitored.

[look_at_g_shred]

This....Spurs fans need to cut down on these vanilla retorts they have been imbibing and spouting all over the place ("I don't care about individual awards" etc).....Yeah because Kawhi's 2 DPOYs weren't indicative of the team overall defense the past 2 two seasons..:rolleyes..
Leonard was an MVP caliber player last season. How did that work out? It doesn't make a difference if we only have one player playing on a high level. I want the team as a whole to be great.

[look_at_g_shred]

Well, if Kawhi plays at MVP level that would increase Spurs' odds of winning...
He was playing like one last year until the 4th quarter of game 5 and all of game 6. Result, second round exit.

[TheGreatYacht]

Damn Iceberghead playing more than 10MPG is going to sink the ship tbh
I'm using this :lmao

[Solid D]

I don't care if Kyle's head has its own weather system, I think he has some unique skills, the tempo of which slightly throws off a lot of defenders. If he can sharpen up his 3-point shot accuracy closer to .400, he should easily be able to average 15+ minutes/game. I don't care about aesthetics. Just give the team a boost.

[Dex]

I don't care if Kyle's head has its own weather system, I think he has some unique skills, the tempo of which slightly throws off a lot of defenders. If he can sharpen up his 3-point shot accuracy closer to .400, he should easily be able to average 15+ minutes/game. I don't care about aesthetics. Just give the team a boost.

Well said. :tu

[Spur|n|Austin]

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Looks like he never even left, sort of..

[bklynspursfan]

Pop saying Simmons is in the same category as Anderson, and how valuable they are to the depth of the team. Hopeful they continue to improve

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[bklynspursfan]

Pop saying he has to try and play Kyle more, has to figure it out

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[bklynspursfan]

D Lee talking briefly about how he thinks he'll fit

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[szkorhetz]

D Lee talking briefly about how he thinks he'll fit

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Seems like a classy guy. Like it.

[SAGirl]

Pop saying Simmons is in the same category as Anderson, and how valuable they are to the depth of the team. Hopeful they continue to improve

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This is what Chinook makes reference to often I think. Simmons needs to be coddled so much!!!!

Anderson has earned Pop's respect the tough way, still climbing the hill himself to earn it I think. Simmons without showing up yet, has Pop already putting him in the same category. I hope for the dude. I really think the team needs him and Anderson both, but they have been treated in very dissimilar ways, which makes me smh. Anderson is tough, Simmons needs to be babied and propped up.
/sigh
I am wishing the dude the best anyways. I agree with Pop if they don't pull through they will be in trouble, the team will lack depth for sure. There are other guys who can help but they are rookies and will not be "solid"

Now if Simmons is not solid during the season that is when he will get in trouble for real, but it sounds like Pop is satisfied with how he's playing. In PATFO we trust I guess.
:flag:

[Chinook]

D Lee talking briefly about how he thinks he'll fit

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Lee looks like he's crying in that thumbnail.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pop seems like a happier guy than usual from what I've seen in these interviews. Hope this leads to MVParker getting more touches :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons is better than Anderson, and I don't think it's close. Kyle got fed mandatory minutes by pop, he certainly didn't earn them.

[SAGirl]

Pop saying he has to try and play Kyle more, has to figure it out

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Glad to hear that. I think he's proven he's an NBA player and Pop has to figure out how to get the best out of him. He's earned minutes that is the bottom line, he's become confident, and is shooting better which I am glad to hear. It still feels like Pop is not 100% sure how to play him, but at least he wants to figure him out and he's aware Kyle deserves to play at this point.

[Dex]

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Getting excited. :hungry:

[bklynspursfan]

Seems like a classy guy. Like it.

Yea, he's a good dude. Curious to see how he fits, I think he'll be a nice asset personally

[bklynspursfan]

Here is Lee (a bit more & Pop on Anderson again) & Dedmon for like 4 secs lol

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[Chinook]

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Getting excited. :hungry:

Obviously, not always.

[SAGirl]

Obviously, not always.
lol Chinook with the sarcastic media observations.
lol The Dwest thing puts all this media stuff as a show in retrospect.

[bklynspursfan]

Glad to hear that. I think he's proven he's an NBA player and Pop has to figure out how to get the best out of him. He's earned minutes that is the bottom line, he's become confident, and is shooting better which I am glad to hear. It still feels like Pop is not 100% sure how to play him, but at least he wants to figure him out and he's aware Kyle deserves to play at this point.

It's tough for a coach to try and play everyone when you've got a fairly deep team I guess. In recent years Pop has done a good job of spreading out the minutes overall IMO. With Anderson he was at 16MPG last year, I could see it jumping to 18-20mpg this season.

[Dancelot]

Here is Lee (a bit more & Pop on Anderson again) & Dedmon for like 4 secs lol

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Please god let David lee take a giant sh!t on David west at some point this season.

[Brazil]

but they have been treated in very dissimilar ways, which makes me smh. Anderson is tough, Simmons needs to be babied and propped up.
/sigh


speaking of smh.... :rolleyes

[jermaine]

Please god let David lee take a giant sh!t on David west at some point this season.

Fuck West.... Take a massive shit on Dreymond Green... I can't wait for that matchup! You know Lee wanna get at him.

[Chinook]

speaking of smh.... :rolleyes

That is true, though. Simmons is extremely coddled. No way would he survive the Green treatment. Anderson doesn't get the shit Green got, but he's still not nearly as babied.

[SAGirl]

It's tough for a coach to try and play everyone when you've got a fairly deep team I guess. In recent years Pop has done a good job of spreading out the minutes overall IMO. With Anderson he was at 16MPG last year, I could see it jumping to 18-20mpg this season.
:tu It sounded like he's still figuring out where to put him, but that is good. It means to me that Pop is still figuring out how to play the bench, how to get the best out of everyone, but he's aware Kyle has reached a level where he deserves minutes. It's not like he will fall out of the rotation. Between you and me, this guy is young he will only get better from here. I am particularly excited that he's confident shooting and his shot has improved.

I liked Lee by the way. He is a pro, and is ready to compete, push others (which will only make youngsters better IMO. Personally I am all for competition, for example how do we expect Davis Bertans and Kyle to play the 4 if they can't handle Lee in a practice? Lee better give these two hell as far as I am concerned. It only makes younger guys better to compete against real NBA talent). He's also been a champion, he knows what it takes, and has sacrificed when he's needed to, for the betterment of the team. Frankly I like him more than DWest, bc he's been a winner, and is not bandwagoning. It sounds like he will compete whenever he gets minutes.

thanks for sharing bklyn!

[SAGirl]

That is true, though. Simmons is extremely coddled. No way would he survive the Green treatment. Anderson doesn't get the shit Green got, but he's still not nearly as babied.
And I suspect if he plays the 4, Anderson will encounter some pretty rough nights defensively. I am already getting ready for the Pop yell treatment and that will only make him better.
Not once I have seen that with Simmons, not once.
We shall see I guess.
I haven't been getting on the guy in a "hater" sort of way. I wish him the best, but you are right in the sense, that in order to get the absolute best out of a player, that guy needs to get ready for the coach to be tough on him, and demand the absolute best. I saw Pop chew Anderson on occasion last season, not once on J.Simms. He disappeared to the dleague midseason and that was that. I suppose what was said, was said privately.

Edit: but considering he's not a rookie anymore, I would expect Pop this season to be tougher.

[TheGreatYacht]

How has Simmons been babied or coddled? He got left out of the rotation even though he produced more than Kyle while he was on it. He's had to go to Austin. He's had to wear suits on game day.

Kyle was the one STILL getting minutes all the way up to game 7 against OKC even though he averaged 2.3ppg, 2.4rpg, 0.7apg on 32FG% and 33% from three :lol oh, and a 7.7 PER

Those are called mandatory minutes. Not earned.

[Chinook]

How has Simmons been babied or coddled? He got left out of the rotation even though he produced more than Kyle while he was on it. He's had to go to Austin. He's had to wear suits on game day.

Kyle was the one STILL getting minutes all the way up to game 7 against OKC even though he averaged 2.3ppg, 2.4rpg, 0.7apg on 32FG% and 33% from three :lol oh, and a 7.7 PER

Anderson > Butler > Simmons > Martin

This is just a thing we know.

[TheGreatYacht]

Anderson > Butler > Simmons > Martin

This is just a thing we know.
More like

Simmons > Butler > Anderson > Martin

would you want to prove to me otherwise? Because stats are certainly NOT on Kyle's side.

[dabom]

Fathead playing in the playoffs less than a bag off Shit. :lol

[bklynspursfan]

:tu It sounded like he's still figuring out where to put him, but that is good. It means to me that Pop is still figuring out how to play the bench, how to get the best out of everyone, but he's aware Kyle has reached a level where he deserves minutes. It's not like he will fall out of the rotation. Between you and me, this guy is young he will only get better from here. I am particularly excited that he's confident shooting and his shot has improved.

I liked Lee by the way. He is a pro, and is ready to compete, push others (which will only make youngsters better IMO. Personally I am all for competition, for example how do we expect Davis Bertans and Kyle to play the 4 if they can't handle Lee in a practice? Lee better give these two hell as far as I am concerned. It only makes younger guys better to compete against real NBA talent). He's also been a champion, he knows what it takes, and has sacrificed when he's needed to, for the betterment of the team. Frankly I like him more than DWest, bc he's been a winner, and is not bandwagoning. It sounds like he will compete whenever he gets minutes.

thanks for sharing bklyn!

No Prob :toast

Internal competition is a great way to get the best out of players :)

I definitely don't see KA falling out the rotation, but Pop will try to get him some more time during meaningful play vs garbage time if I had to guess. It'll take some tinkering though, and probably won't be immediate, cause he has to see how other guys fit in on the bench as well. Sometimes it's not until like 4 months in that he's got a real rotation he's comfortable with and start gearing towards the playoffs.

Re: Lee, I think he and Anderson could fit well together and run the P&R nicely. It'll be interesting to see how these guys do in camp though. Can't wait to watch it all play out

[bklynspursfan]

Please god let David lee take a giant sh!t on David west at some point this season.

That would be awesome. The first game of the season in GS haha

[bklynspursfan]

Lee looks like he's crying in that thumbnail.

:lol he does... he's so happy to be a Spur

[SAGirl]

TGY you don't look at the entirety of the situation. In the playoffs it wasn't Kyle's role to score, first of all he played very little and didn't touch the ball at all most of the time. He wasn't involved unless he was wide open which didn't happen often bc no one in that bench was drawing a double team and they were manhandled in the paint. It's been discussed ad nauseaum elsewhere so will just leave it at that. You have to look at Mills and Dwest, even Manu, guys who did have the ball and were taking shots and supposed to run the offense.

Simmons needed to work on being solid. That's not arguable. It's basically what Pop said. He was prone to mistakes under pressure at inopportune times and wasn't reliable on defense. This is a new season and he has a new chance to prove he can be those things. It's on him. Dude hasn't shown yet he can do these things, which is why it surprised me Pop put him on the same level as Kyle, who did show he could be relied on. But Pop sees these guys in practice and maybe Simmons is indeed more solid now, and if he is, it's for the best. Simmons is not a rookie anymore. I wish him to do well and have stated that everywhere. Now obviously I do expect Pop to be more strict bc that is the only way the dude will really progress further from where he's at. He won't get better by being comfortable with what he's been doing so far.

[Chillen]

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Getting excited. :hungry:

People do realize that the Gasol signing was so huge, the timing was perfect. If Duncan retired and Spurs signed nobody to fill that void, the Spurs could be looking at struggling to make the 8th spot in the West with the team currently constructed. Gasol isn't replacing Tim, you can't, he is just filling the void.

Spurs have potential to be either the #1 seed or the #3rd now.

Pau is gonna have a great season, he seems motivated.

[phxspurfan]

He's back!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BK6IeZTBTYk/

[tonight...you]

TGY you don't look at the entirety of the situation. In the playoffs it wasn't Kyle's role to score, first of all he played very little and didn't touch the ball at all most of the time. He wasn't involved unless he was wide open which didn't happen often bc no one in that bench was drawing a double team and they were manhandled in the paint. It's been discussed ad nauseaum elsewhere so will just leave it at that. You have to look at Mills and Dwest, even Manu, guys who did have the ball and were taking shots and supposed to run the offense.

Simmons needed to work on being solid. That's not arguable. It's basically what Pop said. He was prone to mistakes under pressure at inopportune times and wasn't reliable on defense. This is a new season and he has a new chance to prove he can be those things. It's on him. Dude hasn't shown yet he can do these things, which is why it surprised me Pop put him on the same level as Kyle, who did show he could be relied on. But Pop sees these guys in practice and maybe Simmons is indeed more solid now, and if he is, it's for the best. Simmons is not a rookie anymore. I wish him to do well and have stated that everywhere. Now obviously I do expect Pop to be more strict bc that is the only way the dude will really progress further from where he's at. He won't get better by being comfortable with what he's been doing so far.
Hmmm... I can't recall Pop ever chewing Kawhi out, on the court. I do remember him going nuclear on young Tony Parker almost every game his first few years.
I am of the belief that Pop knows what his players need as far as coaching. Everyone is an individual and succeed according to their own desires and stimuli that works for them.

[Chillen]

He's back!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BK6IeZTBTYk/

Interesting, he's probably just hanging out showing the newcomers the ropes, but I wouldn't be shocked if he suited up again in a Spurs uniform at some point this season. Perhaps not, but if he feels the itch and the body feels good, go for it. Retirement is retirement, he can always retire again. Of course he'll join all other pro athletes that can't make up their mind with retirement, like Jordan.

[tonight...you]

Interesting, he's probably just hanging out showing the newcomers the ropes, but I wouldn't be shocked if he suited up again in a Spurs uniform at some point this season. Perhaps not, but if he feels the itch and the body feels good, go for it. Retirement is retirement, he can always retire again.
I don't believe he can, this year even if he wanted to, due to retirement rules, but I could be wrong.

[Brazil]

That is true, though. Simmons is extremely coddled. No way would he survive the Green treatment. Anderson doesn't get the shit Green got, but he's still not nearly as babied.

Pop sent Simmons 7 times to the toros sometimes for 24 hours last year they both saw some DNPs some games at 15 mn the game after at 5... Then Simmons is much older, he probably does not need to be yelled at, he is a hard worker who made it to the NBA the hard way. I'm sorry he does not strike me as a guy lacking of confidence needing being babied especially considering his personnal experience. He is not entering in the league young as fuck full of himself need to be humbled, he has already been humbled or a guy who needs to be yelled at to get the best out of him. This is quite different of being coddled.

Just another random popcorn idea throwing out there to see if it sticks... I guess

[dabom]

Chinook got some really bad fucking takes tbh. Just throwing that out there. :lol

[Chillen]

I don't believe he can, this year even if he wanted to, due to retirement rules, but I could be wrong.

So does anyone know for sure if Duncan is eligible to unretire and sign with the Spurs this season if say he had that itch back?

[Brazil]

How has Simmons been babied or coddled? He got left out of the rotation even though he produced more than Kyle while he was on it. He's had to go to Austin. He's had to wear suits on game day.

Kyle was the one STILL getting minutes all the way up to game 7 against OKC even though he averaged 2.3ppg, 2.4rpg, 0.7apg on 32FG% and 33% from three :lol oh, and a 7.7 PER

Those are called mandatory minutes. Not earned.

pretty much that...

wtf with this simmons is cobbled and kyle anderson takes all the shit and is tough.... W...T...F really... mind blowing

[dabom]

Fathead so slow. Went from pg to pf in 2 years. :lol

[tonight...you]

pretty much that...

wtf with this simmons is cobbled and kyle anderson takes all the shit and is tough.... W...T...F really... mind blowing
Yeah... I don't get that at all. Is this some new meme trying to break out? Pop does what he deems necessary for each player in their respective situations. If he feels like he needs to bust a jaw, he does it. To any of them.
How many times have we heard over the years of Pop chewing out Duncan in front of everybody so they all know they aren't safe if Timmy isn't?

Nobody is being coddled, imo.

[dabom]

I have not seen one fucking example of Pop cuddling Simmons at all. Unless you try that slurp slurp. :lol

[tonight...you]

So does anyone know for sure if Duncan is eligible to unretire and sign with the Spurs this season if say he had that itch back?
This might help:
63. What are the rules for retired players? What if the player suffers a career-ending injury?There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 79 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q79)), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year.

[HarlemHeat37]

Excited to see Kyle Anderson at the 4, tbh, it's probably his optimal position IMO..he had a pretty decent RS with some stretches that displayed nice flashes of basketball..unfortunately, he was a disaster in the playoffs..

His defense has progressed far better than his offense, so far..to be fair, his style of play is difficult to master as the potential point-forward mismatch..

[SAGirl]

Hmmm... I can't recall Pop ever chewing Kawhi out, on the court. I do remember him going nuclear on young Tony Parker almost every game his first few years.
I am of the belief that Pop knows what his players need as far as coaching. Everyone is an individual and succeed according to their own desires and stimuli that works for them.
Kawhi is on another level of excellence at this point. When he was younger I did see Pop getting on him on occasion, obviously we are not saying Simmons is on Kawhi's level right?

[TD 21]

I can't think of a situation where a 25 year old would allow himself to be relegated to old man minutes regardless of circumstances. I suspect kawhi, sat down with the coaching stuff to address this issue as it was clear that in the later half of the season last year, kawhi played more minutes even in blowouts.

I can't see Aldridge playing more than he did last year considering the team is looking to test out and possibly extend bench big minutes in situational cases..specially to start the season.

There is no way Green should be playing less than 29 at this point, imo.

I have hard time readind Parker and Mills..i mean id love for parker to play less and mills more..but I dont know if pop shares the same sentiment.

I think the assumption stems from Aldridge unwillingless to play the center position. Makes dedmon a better fit if he really doesnt want.

I don't disagree with a lot of this, but I think you're conflating what you want with what's likely to happen.


Pop on Lee: "He'll be somebody that's important to our rotation for sure".

Pop on Anderson: "It's pretty obvious that I need to play him more".

Neither is a surprise, but this likely means that Dedmon will be more of a fringe rotation player to start.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jesus, David Lee wearing a Spurs uniform :vomit::vomit:

[Maddog]

So does anyone know for sure if Duncan is eligible to unretire and sign with the Spurs this season if say he had that itch back?


This might help:
63. What are the rules for retired players? What if the player suffers a career-ending injury?There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 79 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q79)), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year.

I don't see it happening. I sincerely believe he became frustrated the second half of the season. Remember in that interview with his friend how he said it wasn't fun anymore.

[SAGirl]

People do realize that the Gasol signing was so huge, the timing was perfect. If Duncan retired and Spurs signed nobody to fill that void, the Spurs could be looking at struggling to make the 8th spot in the West with the team currently constructed. Gasol isn't replacing Tim, you can't, he is just filling the void.

Spurs have potential to be either the #1 seed or the #3rd now.

Pau is gonna have a great season, he seems motivated.
Thanks. Yea I think it was a huge signing all things considered. I do think LMA alone in the frontcourt with some run of the mill center wasn't going to get it done.

[TheGreatYacht]

TGY you don't look at the entirety of the situation. In the playoffs it wasn't Kyle's role to score, first of all he played very little and didn't touch the ball at all most of the time. He wasn't involved unless he was wide open which didn't happen often bc no one in that bench was drawing a double team and they were manhandled in the paint. It's been discussed ad nauseaum elsewhere so will just leave it at that. You have to look at Mills and Dwest, even Manu, guys who did have the ball and were taking shots and supposed to run the offense.

Simmons needed to work on being solid. That's not arguable. It's basically what Pop said. He was prone to mistakes under pressure at inopportune times and wasn't reliable on defense. This is a new season and he has a new chance to prove he can be those things. It's on him. Dude hasn't shown yet he can do these things, which is why it surprised me Pop put him on the same level as Kyle, who did show he could be relied on. But Pop sees these guys in practice and maybe Simmons is indeed more solid now, and if he is, it's for the best. Simmons is not a rookie anymore. I wish him to do well and have stated that everywhere. Now obviously I do expect Pop to be more strict bc that is the only way the dude will really progress further from where he's at. He won't get better by being comfortable with what he's been doing so far.
Simmons must be looking great because I don't see how Pop can get him a bigger role. Dedmon/Lee will be the backup bigs with Kyle at the 3. You already know Manu will be the backup SG... How will he get more minutes? Don't see it unless Kyle is a stretch 4 and Simmons becomes Kawhi's backup.

If I had to guess, this is all just a smoke screen and he's probably just trying to increase Simmons and Anderson's trade value to Philly tbh :lol

Now, to get to your other point. You said Kyle would improve if he had the ball more, and I think you're probably right. Buuuut from what I saw last year I don't see any way he outperformed Simmons. One just happened to be a rookie and Pop doesn't trust rookies.

[tonight...you]

Kawhi is on another level of excellence at this point. When he was younger I did see Pop getting on him on occasion, obviously we are not saying Simmons is on Kawhi's level right?
No, don't put words in my mouth. I was asking a question as I could not recall Pop getting on him, on the court. I remember them talking in front of the bench when he would pull him for one reason, or another, but I cannot remember him going after Kawhi like a Danny, or a young TP. Savvy? And levels of excellence should not be how a coach coaches an individual. It's the individual himself that determines how a coach coaches him.

[SAGirl]

I don't see it happening. I sincerely believe he became frustrated the second half of the season. Remember in that interview with his friend how he said it wasn't fun anymore.
Yea, and I contrast that with Ginobili, who said he had so much fun last season, he felt well, he was healthy, he was able to be productive in his role, etc. They just had very different experiences last season. It was time for TD.

[SAGirl]

No, don't put words in my mouth. I was asking a question as I could not recall Pop getting on him, on the court. I remember them talking in front of the bench when he would pull him for one reason, or another, but I cannot remember him going after Kawhi like a Danny, or a young TP. Savvy? And levels of excellence should not be how a coach coaches an individual. It's the individual himself that determines how a coach coaches him.
savvy? lol ok yea I got you. :tu
When you typed savvy, I pictured a Pirates of the Caribbean voice. That made me laugh regardless lol

[Dex]

People do realize that the Gasol signing was so huge, the timing was perfect. If Duncan retired and Spurs signed nobody to fill that void, the Spurs could be looking at struggling to make the 8th spot in the West with the team currently constructed. Gasol isn't replacing Tim, you can't, he is just filling the void.

Spurs have potential to be either the #1 seed or the #3rd now.

Pau is gonna have a great season, he seems motivated.

Agreed on all points...except maybe the #1 seed. Barring any unforeseen complications, Warriors probably have that wrapped...they are just too talented and deep. They could play 3 of their big 4 every game and still probably be favorites for the #1 seed. I do still think we have a shot to beat them in a 7-game series, though.

That being said, signing Gasol seemed to be an extremely underrated move. That was probably because it was overshadowed by Durant going to the bay. Any other year, the Spurs would be looking like the darlings of free agency with another "oh they did it again" move.

Duncan leaving is sad...especially since I feel like he had one more good year in him. However, nobody knows what he went through both before and after games to prepare and heal his body. Timmy said he would go until the wheels fell off, and unfortunately...that time finally came. However, I'm not sure I could think of a better replacement for Duncan than Pau. Both are highly skilled, intelligent big men with championship pedigrees. It will definitely make the transition smoother.

Sure, getting Pau two years ago would have been great. We are getting a lesser version now of the same player he was then...but I think the degree of that may be exaggerated. Like Tim, Pau's game isn't predicated on crazy speed or athleticism...he has aged well and still has solid footwork, good basketball IQ, and a crisp jumper. We saw that as recently as the Olympics when he carried Spain to the bronze.

Also to be considered...if the Spurs had landed Pau two years ago, there is no way in hell we get Aldridge last year. There simply wouldn't have been enough money or minutes for him to come. Going under the assumption that Tim still retires, that means that we would have been left with only the 2016 Gasol going into this season. The way things turned out is definitely a much better scenario for the Spurs next era.

[tonight...you]

savvy? lol ok yea I got you. :tu
When you typed savvy, I pictured a Pirates of the Caribbean voice. That made me laugh regardless lol
I was typing with Jack Sparrow's voice, by the by...

[SAGirl]

Jesus, David Lee wearing a Spurs uniform :vomit::vomit:
:lol
You are trying to dampen my mood Harlem!
lol
I know you don't, but talking saavy, I am in a good mood.

I guess I am excited about the season.
:flag:

[SAGirl]

I was typing with Jack Sparrow's voice, by the by...
I like you Mr. Tonight! I exactly pictured Jack Sparrow!
Damn I am happy this season is starting!

[Dex]

Jesus, David Lee wearing a Spurs uniform :vomit::vomit:

If he can be the player he was for Dallas last season, I'll take DLee over DWest...especially DWest in the playoffs.

[Brazil]

Excited to see Kyle Anderson at the 4, tbh, it's probably his optimal position IMO..he had a pretty decent RS with some stretches that displayed nice flashes of basketball..unfortunately, he was a disaster in the playoffs..

His defense has progressed far better than his offense, so far..to be fair, his style of play is difficult to master as the potential point-forward mismatch..

Yes the 4 is definitely the best position for him

[T Park]

If he can be the player he was for Dallas last season, I'll take DLee over DWest...especially DWest in the playoffs.



Yeah Lee for Dallas last year was still pretty serviceable.

Spurstalk once again delving into "if he isn't a 10-10 guy for the minimum he's trash" level of opinions.

[Chinook]

How has Simmons been babied or coddled? He got left out of the rotation even though he produced more than Kyle while he was on it. He's had to go to Austin. He's had to wear suits on game day.

Kyle was the one STILL getting minutes all the way up to game 7 against OKC even though he averaged 2.3ppg, 2.4rpg, 0.7apg on 32FG% and 33% from three :lol oh, and a 7.7 PER

Those are called mandatory minutes. Not earned.


Pop sent Simmons 7 times to the toros sometimes for 24 hours last year they both saw some DNPs some games at 15 mn the game after at 5... Then Simmons is much older, he probably does not need to be yelled at, he is a hard worker who made it to the NBA the hard way. I'm sorry he does not strike me as a guy lacking of confidence needing being babied especially considering his personnal experience. He is not entering in the league young as fuck full of himself need to be humbled, he has already been humbled or a guy who needs to be yelled at to get the best out of him. This is quite different of being coddled.

Just another random popcorn idea throwing out there to see if it sticks... I guess

You guys both mentioned send-downs like those are actual evidence of not being coddled. Since when is giving a guy more experience being "hard" on them? It's not. That's just a silly diversion. Simmons sits because he's not better than the guys out there, not because Pop is trying to teach him something.

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.


Yeah... I don't get that at all. Is this some new meme trying to break out? Pop does what he deems necessary for each player in their respective situations. If he feels like he needs to bust a jaw, he does it. To any of them.
How many times have we heard over the years of Pop chewing out Duncan in front of everybody so they all know they aren't safe if Timmy isn't?

Nobody is being coddled, imo.

You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

[tonight...you]

You guys both mentioned send-downs like those are actual evidence of not being coddled. Since when is giving a guy more experience being "hard" on them? It's not. That's just a silly diversion. Simmons sits because he's not better than the guys out there, not because Pop is trying to teach him something.

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.



You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

So you're saying Pop is being overprotective of Simmons, in short. Correct?

[dabom]

You know you're right when one of the most incorrect posters says you're wrong or hater too. :lol

[Chinook]

So you're saying Pop is being overprotective of Simmons, in short. Correct?

I think he knows that coddling him is what he needs to be productive, just like beating the shit out of Green is the best way to keep Danny focused.

[dabom]

You know you're right when one of the most incorrect posters says you're wrong or hater too. :lol

[tonight...you]

I think he knows that coddling him is what he needs to be productive, just like beating the shit out of Green is the best way to keep Danny focused.
So... Is that a yes? Pop is being overprotective of Simmons? Just one word will suffice, bud.

[Chinook]

So... Is that a yes? Pop is being overprotective of Simmons? Just one word will suffice, bud.

No, it won't. He's being as protective as he needs to be for Simmons to play well, but more protective than he should have to be to a scrub. I'll answer in one word when it makes sense to do so.

[tonight...you]

No, it won't. He's being as protective as he needs to be for Simmons to play well, but more protective than he should have to be to a scrub. I'll answer in one word when it makes sense to do so.
No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.

[TimDunkem]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.
Thank you.

[apalisoc_9]

Simmons?

Fucking ewww..Groce.

[Chinook]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.

Fuck that. I'll use whatever words I want, same as you.

Full Definition of coddle
coddledcoddling play \ˈkäd-liŋ, ˈkä-dəl-iŋ\
transitive verb
1
: to cook (as eggs) in liquid slowly and gently just below the boiling point
2
: to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coddle

You learn what a word means before you go on bitching at other people about what they do. I don't give a shit if you like Simmons. I didn't quote you trying to tell you what you really think. To each their own. Only time will bear out who's right.

[Chinook]

Thank you.

:lol I don't want to read what you write, but I do want to tell you that I don't want to read it, because that makes sense.

[dabom]

Fuck that. I'll use whatever words I want, same as you.

Full Definition of coddle
coddledcoddling play \ˈkäd-liŋ, ˈkä-dəl-iŋ\
transitive verb
1
: to cook (as eggs) in liquid slowly and gently just below the boiling point
2
: to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coddle

You learn what a word means before you go on bitching at other people about what they do. I don't give a shit if you like Simmons. I didn't quote you trying to tell you what you really think. To each their own. Only time will bear out who's right.

Where in the fucking fuck do I see Simmons being treated with EXTREME kindness. :lmao

You don't know shit. :lol

[SAGirl]

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.

You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

I agree 100%. When you first said this way back, I wasn't as aware, but have since then observed the situation and it's true. It's possible he's had confidence issues and having a different path to the NBA has required Pop to be unusually mild when he would otherwise have been scalding. Simmons could have his confidence destroyed, he's that fragile. Kyle wants the coach to be tough on him. He's stated that, but also he's shown it with his actions. When he's made mistakes he still looks at Pop and acknowledges it, at times he was expecting to get pulled in fact. Even Sean was saying Kyle had to stop that, but having that approach allowed him to make improvements all through the season and I don't think he's complacent at this point either. He should aim to be even better than he was last season.

We shall see with Simmons. I don't have some beef with him. I wish him the best, and hope that he has indeed become more solid. Pop obviously likes him and they have protected his ego. I suppose like Mr. tonight...you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31666), who said he's getting the coaching he needs to progress, they are pushing him gently along, while propping him up, and hopefully it pays off for Pop. He's indeed savvy and knows how to get the best out of everyone. We shall see.

[TimDunkem]

:lol I don't want to read what you write, but I do want to tell you that I don't want to read it, because that makes sense.
Gotcha', windbag.

[Brazil]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.



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[dabom]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.


Thank you.


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Smart people get their point across effectively. Paragraphs of shit doesn't make your point better. :lol

[Chinook]

Gotcha', windbag.

:wow For once, I'm speechless.

[tonight...you]

Fuck that. I'll use whatever words I want, same as you.

Full Definition of coddle
coddledcoddling play \ˈkäd-liŋ, ˈkä-dəl-iŋ\
transitive verb
1
: to cook (as eggs) in liquid slowly and gently just below the boiling point
2
: to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coddle

You learn what a word means before you go on bitching at other people about what they do. I don't give a shit if you like Simmons. I didn't quote you trying to tell you what you really think. To each their own. Only time will bear out who's right.
I don't care about Simmons. No need to make assumptions. I asked you a simple question, because it seemed you were being extreme using the word "coddled" over and over again. I don't see it. I just don't see it. I don't see Pop being overly protective of this guy and I don't think it would fly too well in a locker room that Pop holds even Duncan accountable for mistakes.

It's cool, my man. You do still get too wordy a lot. Not a dig, just a truth. You also cannot tell me I don't know what a word means when I'm using it correctly. That's kind of... dumb.

[dabom]

sagirl and chinook are 2 of the lowest IQ people I know on this forums. They also write the most. Trying to make up for their something.

It's the lack of content.

[Chinook]

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How the hell does that end the thread? It's the general training camp thread, where I'm not the OP. Why would we all stop posting here because tonight...you thinks I write too much?

[dabom]

I don't care about Simmons. No need to make assumptions. I asked you a simple question, because it seemed you were being extreme using the word "coddled" over and over again. I don't see it. I just don't see it. I don't see Pop being overly protective of this guy and I don't think it would fly too well in a locker room that Pop holds even Duncan accountable for mistakes.

It's cool, my man. You do still get too wordy a lot. Not a dig, just a truth. You also cannot tell me I don't know what a word means when I'm using it correctly. That's kind of... dumb.

:lol

[tbdog]

No Prob :toast

Re: Lee, I think he and Anderson could fit well together and run the P&R nicely. It'll be interesting to see how these guys do in camp though. Can't wait to watch it all play out

TBH, teams would just switch on the pick. I don't see how Kyle could blow past bigman, or Lee overpowering larger sf's.

[Chinook]

I don't care about Simmons. No need to make assumptions. I asked you a simple question, because it seemed you were being extreme using the word "coddled" over and over again. I don't see it. I just don't see it. I don't see Pop being overly protective of this guy and I don't think it would fly too well in a locker room that Pop holds even Duncan accountable for mistakes.

It's cool, my man. You do still get too wordy a lot. Not a dig, just a truth. You also cannot tell me I don't know what a word means when I'm using it correctly. That's kind of... dumb.

Of course I can. You are making it seem like I don't know what coddled means, and it's clear that I used it correctly. You disagree and instead wanted me to answer a question in your own words. If you had asked, "Do you wish Pop didn't protect Simmons as much?" I'd say yes. If you asked "Do you think that Simmons would be better off is Pop didn't protect him as much?" I'd say no. I don't mind answering simple questions, but the one you asked explained my main reason for not having faith in him. I could've been a dick and just said "Yes and no" or "Neither". Instead, I write literally one sentence, and that's not good enough for you.

You've never been a bad poster, but you're seriously on a bad train here. If you don't like how I post, just ignore me. I'm not going to change to make myself more digestible by you or anyone else, and I don't ask others to do that. That's some major high-horse shit.

[tonight...you]

I agree 100%. When you first said this way back, I wasn't as aware, but have since then observed the situation and it's true. It's possible he's had confidence issues and having a different path to the NBA has required Pop to be unusually mild when he would otherwise have been scalding. Simmons could have his confidence destroyed, he's that fragile. Kyle wants the coach to be tough on him. He's stated that, but also he's shown it with his actions. When he's made mistakes he still looks at Pop and acknowledges it, at times he was expecting to get pulled in fact. Even Sean was saying Kyle had to stop that, but having that approach allowed him to make improvements all through the season and I don't think he's complacent at this point either. He should aim to be even better than he was last season.

We shall see with Simmons. I don't have some beef with him. I wish him the best, and hope that he has indeed become more solid. Pop obviously likes him and they have protected his ego. I suppose like Mr. tonight...you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31666), who said he's getting the coaching he needs to progress, they are pushing him gently along, while propping him up, and hopefully it pays off for Pop. He's indeed savvy and knows how to get the best out of everyone. We shall see.
Lol... now you're just getting too much mileage out of that! I'm charging rent!

[tonight...you]

Of course I can. You are making it seem like I don't know what coddled means, and it's clear that I used it correctly. You disagree and instead wanted me to answer a question in your own words. If you had asked, "Do you wish Pop didn't protect Simmons as much?" I'd say yes. If you asked "Do you think that Simmons would be better off is Pop didn't protect him as much?" I'd say no. I don't mind answering simple questions, but the one you asked explained my main reason for not having faith in him. I could've been a dick and just said "Yes and no" or "Neither". Instead, I write literally one sentence, and that's not good enough for you.

You've never been a bad poster, but you're seriously on a bad train here. If you don't like how I post, just ignore me. I'm not going to change to make myself more digestible by you or anyone else, and I don't ask others to do that. That's some major high-horse shit.
No... it's just not coddling.

[gambit1990]

you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.
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[Chinook]

No... it's just not coddling.

Of course it is.

[SAGirl]

Lol... now you're just getting too much mileage out of that! I'm charging rent!
:lol I had to. Still in a good mood.

[tonight...you]

:lol I had to. Still in a good mood.
:toast

[Brazil]

You guys both mentioned send-downs like those are actual evidence of not being coddled. Since when is giving a guy more experience being "hard" on them? It's not. That's just a silly diversion. Simmons sits because he's not better than the guys out there, not because Pop is trying to teach him something.

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.



You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

You mentionned he was coddled without even explaining why... so yeah we tried to guess what made you believe dude has been coddled thus Austin. BTW you contradict yourself, so dude is being babied but when he plays like crap he is taking out of the game or send to the toros sometimes for 24 hours... how is that being babied...

Then the contradictions go on... he sucks untill Spurs decide to give him the ball exactly like Kyle Anderson according to yourself. So in Simmons case he is coddled and Anderson is tough ? reading you Spurs gave him a deal because he is being a favorite of Pop or something ? what are you implying ? he did not deserve his deal and this is an example of being coddled ? :lol ok.... Simmons was never pulled after a bad play ? sure bro... but then you say just below he wasn't even given consistent minutes ? pick a side bra

But I guess your point is that Pop praises him in the media... yup it is maybe just because he likes him and that's why he gave him a deal...

Now you want me to throw stuff like and see if it sticks ? look then and tell me if I'm on the right direction.

He did not praise that much your boy because you know maybe he does not know what to think about him and how use him... this is exactly what he said btw. And being a very difficult player to play is not really positive, so yeah message is I don't know how but I need to give him minutes because you know I have no choice. Here we go I've no clue but yeah that's a theory, Pop thinks kyle sucks, he does not know what to do with him, his plays drive him nuts BUT as he has no depth he will need to find a way to give him minutes without being nuisible. As plausible as your Simmons is babied

[Brazil]

How the hell does that end the thread? It's the general training camp thread, where I'm not the OP. Why would we all stop posting here because tonight...you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31666) thinks I write too much?

I used /thread for 2 reasons:

1- because my nigg' tonite nailed it in one sentence
and 2- for reference as the Thread of upstairs that he just obliterated a couple of hours ago

so yeah I thought it fitted well there

[tbdog]

I don't believe he can, this year even if he wanted to, due to retirement rules, but I could be wrong.

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.

[TimDunkem]

:wow For once, I'm speechless.
Yet you still had to say something.

Just Ol' Chinook being the windbag that he is. :lol

[tonight...you]

I used /thread for 2 reasons:

1- because my nigg' tonite nailed it in one sentence
and 2- for reference as the Thread of upstairs that he just obliterated a couple of hours ago

so yeah I thought it fitted well there
I was wondering if that was what you were doing there... Nice one! Poor Thread is still drooling in a cup as we type.

[tonight...you]

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.
Thanks bud. That's good to know.

[Brazil]

I was wondering if that was what you were doing there... Nice one! Poor Thread is still drooling in a cup as we type.

:lol... poor Thread, dude is old you know, take it easy with him

[gambit1990]

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.
that's exactly what i thought and posted in the summer... and chinook said he could still play for the spurs this season so matter of factly :lol

[Chinook]

You mentionned he was coddled without even explaining why... so yeah we tried to guess what made you believe dude has been coddled thus Austin. BTW you contradict yourself, so dude is being babied but when he plays like crap he is taking out of the game or send to the toros sometimes for 24 hours... how is that being babied...

Specifically said the opposite:


And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note).


Then the contradictions go on... he sucks untill Spurs decide to give him the ball exactly like Kyle Anderson according to yourself. So in Simmons case he is coddled and Anderson is tough ? reading you Spurs gave him a deal because he is being a favorite of Pop or something ? what are you implying ? he did not deserve his deal and this is an example of being coddled ? :lol ok.... Simmons was never pulled after a bad play ? sure bro... but then you say just below he wasn't even given consistent minutes ? pick a side bra

Actually said when he was a Toro:


As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team.


But I guess your point is that Pop praises him in the media... yup it is maybe just because he likes him and that's why he gave him a deal...

Yeah, that ignores the sucking before the praise part. Pop likes all of his players. They wouldn't be Spurs if he didn't. That doesn't mean he's constantly effusive about every deep-bench player.


Now you want me to throw stuff like and see if it sticks ? look then and tell me if I'm on the right direction.

Couldn't care less, honestly.


He did not praise that much your boy because you know maybe he does not know what to think about him and how use him... this is exactly what he said btw.

Do you mean Anderson or Green or Tony in this case?


And being a very difficult player to play is not really positive, so yeah message is I don't know how but I need to give him minutes because you know I have no choice. Here we go I've no clue but yeah that's a theory, Pop thinks kyle sucks, he does not know what to do with him, his plays drive him nuts BUT as he has no depth he will need to find a way to give him minutes without being nuisible. As plausible as your Simmons is babied

Oh, so you mean Kyle. Well anyway, that's plausible, but it's not probable. If that were the case, the Spurs would've drafted someone else or signed someone else to be ahead of him. You know, how you thought they were doing with Martin. But as we all know, that didn't work out. With Simmons they clearly did bring in other guys who look to either be in the rotation ahead of him or compete strongly with him for time.

[Chinook]

Yet you still had to say something.

Just Ol' Chinook being the windbag that he is. :lol

Nice to see you making those 2200 posts count. Definitely an example of how posting less makes each post more impactful.

[Chinook]

I used /thread for 2 reasons:

1- because my nigg' tonite nailed it in one sentence
and 2- for reference as the Thread of upstairs that he just obliterated a couple of hours ago

so yeah I thought it fitted well there

1-I didn't know the point of this thread was about me learning I post too much. Pretty sure I heard plenty of that when I started posting four years ago.
2-Do you mean Culbby?

[Chinook]

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.

That's not a rule at all. Normally, you can totally re-sign players you waive. It's only a question because the Spurs stretched him and thus could be accused of cheating the cap by re-signing him.

[dabom]

that's exactly what i thought and posted in the summer... and chinook said he could still play for the spurs this season so matter of factly :lol

:lol

The guy much like his female persona never think they're wrong. :lol

[tonight...you]

1-I didn't know the point of this thread was about me learning I post too much. Pretty sure I heard plenty of that when I started posting four years ago.
2-Do you mean Culbby?
I never said you post too much. Get your shit straight man.

[Chinook]

I never said you post too much. Get your shit straight man.

:rolleyes I'm not nearly as keen on semantics as you seem to be.

[bklynspursfan]

TBH, teams would just switch on the pick. I don't see how Kyle could blow past bigman, or Lee overpowering larger sf's.

Fair point, but I guess I feel Lee could probably do damage against most 3s coming off the bench or whatever for opposing teams. He's not like Diaw was in the post, but he's someone who was also pretty crafty with the ball