View Full Version : FBI re-opens Hillary Email investigation
TheSanityAnnex
10-30-2016, 04:06 PM
In your little mind was that bet lost. And even if I had lost, I wouldn't have taken you seriously enough to leave.
Had this being someone reputable, I would honor it, but you? You're a nothing. You're here for my laughing purpose. :lol
You just shredded what little credibility you had left with the board. Nicely done.
You just shredded what little credibility you had left with the board. Nicely done.
Who do you think you are? A post doesn't go by where people aren't mocking you. That will continue to happen.
CosmicCowboy
10-30-2016, 04:30 PM
In your little mind was that bet lost. And even if I had lost, I wouldn't have taken you seriously enough to leave.
Had this being someone reputable, I would honor it, but you? You're a nothing. You're here for my laughing purpose. :lol
What a pussy loser.
ducks
10-30-2016, 04:49 PM
As federal agents prepare to scour roughly 650,000 emails to see how many relate to a prior probe of Hillary Clinton’s email use, the surprise disclosure that investigators were pursuing the potential new evidence lays bare building tensions inside the bureau and the Justice Department over how to investigate the Democratic presidential nomineehttp://www.wsj.com/articles/laptop-may-include-thousands-of-emails-linked-to-hillary-clintons-private-server-1477854957
ducks
10-30-2016, 04:51 PM
It's not clear this is either.
Every other politician running for national office releases tax returns.
Don't you think voters deserve to know about possible conflicts of interest for the most powerful officer in the world?politicians like Hillary have not made it a law to release tax returns
BLAME THEM NOT TRUMP
baseline bum
10-30-2016, 04:53 PM
politicians like Hillary have not made it a law to release tax returns
BLAME THEM NOT TRUMP
:lol semen shield
ElNono
10-30-2016, 04:55 PM
Did you actually read it or dismiss immediately because 4chan?
Oh I looked at it. Some people just really need professional help, tbh... not even a dig.
Oh I looked at it. Some people just really need professional help, tbh... not even a dig.
TSA is beyond help. :lol
ElNono
10-30-2016, 04:57 PM
:lmao can't belive these latest news. Shitler is the WORST presidential candidate EVER in the history of the world :lol
she basically was leading by 5 in game 6 of the Finals and she put in Ginobili to close out the game :lmao
So you mean she's going to win?
boutons_deux
10-30-2016, 05:10 PM
New York Times: The FBI knew a month ago that the laptop they seized could have relevant emails (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/29/1588449/-New-York-Times-The-FBI-knew-a-month-ago-that-the-laptop-they-seized-could-have-relevant-emails)
The most compelling reason to suspect partisan motives for FBI Director James Comey’s vague disclosure on Friday is its timing, days before a presidential election. Well now the New York Times is reporting that when the FBI seized the Weiner-Abedin laptop on October 3rd, they were already aware (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us/politics/comey-clinton-email-justice.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&referer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FAZwEe5YpTQ) of the possibility that it contained emails related to the Clinton server investigation.
After reports surfaced late last month that Mr. Weiner had sent illicit text messages to a 15-year-old girl in North Carolina, top prosecutors in Charlotte and Manhattan jockeyed for the case. Senior officials in the Justice Department decided that if there were a prosecution, it would take place in New York under the supervision of the United States attorney there, Preet Bharara.
About the same time, agents in the F.B.I.’s New York field office understood that the Weiner investigation could possibly turn up additional emails related to Mrs. Clinton’s private server, according to a senior federal law enforcement official. Mr. Weiner’s estranged wife, Huma Abedin, is a top adviser to Mrs. Clinton…
On Oct. 3, the F.B.I. seized several electronic devices, including a laptop, Mr. Weiner’s iPhone and an iPad that was in large measure used by his 4-year-old son to watch cartoons, a person with knowledge of the matter said. Days later, F.B.I. agents also confiscated a Wi-Fi router that could identify any other devices that had been used, the person said.
So the FBI’s New York field office knew when they got the case there was a good chance they would find some of Huma Abedin’s work emails. And I’m certain James Comey knew that as well. Since October 3rd, the FBI had possession of several devices they suspected of having emails relevant to the Clinton investigation. The also knew that any relevant emails could be duplicates of ones they had already looked at.
The New York Times’ law enforcement sources are less specific about when the FBI determined there were relevant emails on the laptop, but it’s difficult to believe that making such a determination — one way or another — wasn’t a priority.
More than likely they’ve been sitting on this for weeks.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/29/1588449/-New-York-Times-The-FBI-knew-a-month-ago-that-the-laptop-they-seized-could-have-relevant-emails
... and still no subpoena? Comey is Repug hit man.
TheSanityAnnex
10-30-2016, 05:14 PM
Oh I looked at it. Some people just really need professional help, tbh... not even a dig.
How accurate were his claims from July?
TheSanityAnnex
10-30-2016, 05:20 PM
Hillary's nightmare scenario: Weiner's laptop holds 650,000 emails, thousands of them from Clinton's private server, and a search will take WEEKS. Democrat faces an ongoing FBI probe even if she's elected.
FBI agents have said it could take weeks to go through Weiner's emails
They have found 650,000 in total, thousands of which could be related to the investigation into her private server
It will take weeks for them to go through the mass of correspondences
Means Clinton could still be subject of en FBI probe if elected president
A jubilant Trump thanked Weiner for preserving the emails in a speech
Told fans in Las Vegas it showed the Clintons had poor judgement
The latest poll says the gap between Trump and Clinton is just one point
A third of voters said the FBI's announcement has affected their support
Clinton's friends and allies are urging her to distance herself from Abedin
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3887790/Hillary-s-nightmare-scenario-Weiner-s-laptop-holds-650-000-emails-thousands-Clinton-s-private-server-search-WEEKS-Democrat-faces-ongoing-FBI-probe-s-elected.html
HI-FI
10-30-2016, 05:56 PM
650,000 emails?? Holy shit. And I thought my yahoo was a mess.
boutons_deux
10-30-2016, 06:16 PM
Comey's own troops up in arms over Hillary letter (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/29/1588513/-Comey-s-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-Hillary-letter)
Kurt Eichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)✔@kurteichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
Word from inside @FBI (https://twitter.com/FBI). FURIOUS at Comey, think he's mishandled public revelations from get go. "Outrageous incompetence" one agent told me.
12:25 AM - 29 Oct 2016 (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/792235967390244864)
Kurt Eichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)✔@kurteichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
If Comey doesn't get ahead of this, going to have a mutiny at @FBI (https://twitter.com/FBI). "This is why u say 'We dont talk about investigations'" one told me...
Kurt Eichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)✔@kurteichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
Re: anger within @FBI (https://twitter.com/FBI) at Comey. I am getting this at the Special Agent, ASAC and SAC level. Those are the troops. (Most of em GOPrs)....
11:08 AM - 29 Oct 2016
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/792397644819595268)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/29/1588513/-Comey-s-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-Hillary-letter?detail=email&link_id=1&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-comeys-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-hillary-letter&email_referrer=comeys-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-hillary-letter&email_subject=comeys-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-hillary-letter
boutons_deux
10-30-2016, 06:29 PM
Comey is acting like a ‘banana Republican’ trying to overthrow the government
Conservative radio host Charlie Sykes hammered on Comey for what he called his “reckless” behavior saying, “He seems to have confused ‘CYA’ with his larger responsibilities.”
“There is a reason we have the standards and the traditions and the protocols that say to the FBI and the Justice Department, you know, don’t do this kind of thing right before an election,” Sykes said. “And what he’s done is placed this black box filled with innuendo and conspiracy theories and almost no new evidence in the middle of this political campaign.”
Daily Beast columnist Jonathan Alter concurred, calling Comey a “banana Republican.”
“I agree with Charlie, he’s more conservative, I’m more liberal,” Alter began. “This is a question about what kind of country do we live in? James Comey has now joined other Republicans in being what you might call banana Republicans — acting like they’re in a banana republic. This is what happens in other countries. You throw up vague accusations that your political opponents are under investigation just before a big election.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/msnbc-analyst-comey-is-acting-like-a-banana-republican-trying-to-overthrow-the-government/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
TheSanityAnnex
10-30-2016, 06:33 PM
Comey's own troops up in arms over Hillary letter (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/29/1588513/-Comey-s-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-Hillary-letter)
Kurt Eichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)✔@kurteichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
Word from inside @FBI (https://twitter.com/FBI). FURIOUS at Comey, think he's mishandled public revelations from get go. "Outrageous incompetence" one agent told me.
12:25 AM - 29 Oct 2016 (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/792235967390244864)
Kurt Eichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)✔@kurteichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
If Comey doesn't get ahead of this, going to have a mutiny at @FBI (https://twitter.com/FBI). "This is why u say 'We dont talk about investigations'" one told me...
Kurt Eichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)✔@kurteichenwald (https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald)
Re: anger within @FBI (https://twitter.com/FBI) at Comey. I am getting this at the Special Agent, ASAC and SAC level. Those are the troops. (Most of em GOPrs)....
11:08 AM - 29 Oct 2016
(https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/792397644819595268)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/29/1588513/-Comey-s-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-Hillary-letter?detail=email&link_id=1&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-comeys-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-hillary-letter&email_referrer=comeys-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-hillary-letter&email_subject=comeys-own-troops-up-in-arms-over-hillary-letter
Eichenwald already discredited.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/28/if-clinton-campaign-believes-wikileaks-emails-are-forged-why-dont-they-prove-it/
"Granholm was referring, inaccurately, to a blog post (http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635) by Kurt Eichenwald where the Newsweek writer pointed out that the English-language, Russian-owned news website Sputnik had misreported the contents of one of the emails. But there was no evidence that the email itself as it existed on the Wikileaks website was false or doctored. Eichenwald himself added to the misunderstanding by posting a series of tweets (https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/785736619550765056/photo/1) imputing that the email had been forged — by Russian leader Vladimir Putin."
Even lol snopes shit on him
http://www.snopes.com/newsweek-proves-that-wikileaks-is-leaking-phony-hillary-clinton-emails/
ducks
10-30-2016, 06:35 PM
Wash Post: FBI Gets Warrant to See Huma-Weiner Emails
I guess it was a republican judge rolleyes
TheSanityAnnex
10-30-2016, 06:37 PM
“There is a reason we have the standards and the traditions and the protocols that say to the FBI and the Justice Department, you know, don’t do this kind of thing right before an election,those things like the attorney general meeting the former President who's wife was under federal investigation for a private meeting on the tarmac.
ducks
10-30-2016, 06:37 PM
Conservative radio host Charlie Sykes hammered on Comey for what he called his “reckless” behavior saying, “He seems to have confused ‘CYA’ with his larger responsibilities.”
Hates trump is in bed with Ryan is not a true conservative
baseline bum
10-30-2016, 06:48 PM
Conservative radio host Charlie Sykes hammered on Comey for what he called his “reckless” behavior saying, “He seems to have confused ‘CYA’ with his larger responsibilities.”
Hates trump is in bed with Ryan is not a true conservative
LMAO @ Ryan not a conservative
Warlord23
10-30-2016, 07:06 PM
LMAO @ Ryan not a conservative
ducks unwittingly sums up the situation well though. If Trump sets the standard of conservatism, then very few will qualify. The Rs who do support Trump's fiscal recklessness, tirades against press freedom, admiration of dictators, trade barriers etc never were conservative in the first place - they merely pretended to be so while courting the uninformed rabble whose vote they badly need to cling to power.
ducks
10-30-2016, 09:46 PM
Ryan signing off a unbalanced is not conservative
HI-FI
10-30-2016, 09:54 PM
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StrengthAndHonor
10-30-2016, 10:06 PM
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Touche
boutons_deux
10-30-2016, 10:59 PM
Comey fucked up his job, he didn't "do it", violating yet again FBI/DoJ protocols to help the Repugs.
ElNono
10-30-2016, 11:04 PM
How accurate were his claims from July?
There's a sea of gibberish in there, tbh. I thought your autistic dudes did a better job at organizing that stuff. Probably why nobody really takes them seriously.
ElNono
10-30-2016, 11:05 PM
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:lol I've seen peeps here play that meme out pretty well too.
pgardn
10-30-2016, 11:10 PM
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No make up calls I guess...
Zat what it means?
Spurminator
10-30-2016, 11:27 PM
Wait, now it's a bad thing for a media outlet to give a voice to both sides of an issue?
Maybe the problem is people just want all media to validate their POV.
pgardn
10-30-2016, 11:31 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/why-fbi-director-james-b-comey-was-able-to-defy-justice-bosses-on-clinton-email-announcement/2016/10/30/9f788f64-9edb-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_comey-830pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
The above is a pretty decent summary of the chain of command and how and why Comey made the choice.
It might be that his fierce independence borders on "he knows better" zeal.
Axl Rose
10-30-2016, 11:37 PM
LMAO @ Ryan not a conservative
Only on taxes
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:lol :lol
boutons_deux
10-30-2016, 11:47 PM
Clinton aide Huma Abedin has told people she doesn’t know how her emails wound up on her husband’s computer
The person, who would not discuss the case unless granted anonymity, said Abedin was not a regular user of the computer, and even when she agreed to turn over emails to the State Department for federal records purposes, her lawyers did not search it for materials, not believing any of her messages to be there.
When Abedin left the State Department, she signed a statement saying she had “surrendered to responsible officials all controlled or administratively controlled documents and materials with which I was charged or which I had in my possession.” The State Department — in the process of collecting Clinton’s and others for records and Freedom of Information Act purposes — later asked Abedin to turn over relevant messages, and she gave her laptop and BlackBerry for review.
Abedin told the FBI in an interview in April that her attorneys asked for guidance from the State Department on how to conduct that review but did not receive a response. Summarizing Abedin’s interview, FBI agents wrote that she told them the attorneys “erred on the side of caution and opted to include anything that they were unsure about.” In a sworn deposition in June, Abedin said she “looked for all the devices that may have any of my State Department work on it and returned — returned — gave them to my attorneys for them to review for all relevant documents.”
Meanwhile, on Friday, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump took aim at Abedin in particular as he brought up Clinton’s emails.
“I wonder is she going to keep Huma?” Trump said. “Huma has been a problem. I wonder: Is Huma going to stay there?”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-aide-huma-abedin-has-told-people-she-doesnt-know-how-her-emails-wound-up-on-her-husbands-computer/2016/10/29/1d30c2b8-9e15-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1
boutons_deux
10-30-2016, 11:48 PM
FBI Gets Email Warrant As Senator Reid, Bush Ethics Counsel Scorch Comey
http://www.nationalmemo.com/fbi-gets...-scorch-comey/ (http://www.nationalmemo.com/fbi-gets-email-warrant-reid-bush-counsel-scorch-comey/)
ducks
10-31-2016, 12:03 AM
Clinton aide Huma Abedin has told people she doesn’t know how her emails wound up on her husband’s computer
The person, who would not discuss the case unless granted anonymity, said Abedin was not a regular user of the computer, and even when she agreed to turn over emails to the State Department for federal records purposes, her lawyers did not search it for materials, not believing any of her messages to be there.
When Abedin left the State Department, she signed a statement saying she had “surrendered to responsible officials all controlled or administratively controlled documents and materials with which I was charged or which I had in my possession.” The State Department — in the process of collecting Clinton’s and others for records and Freedom of Information Act purposes — later asked Abedin to turn over relevant messages, and she gave her laptop and BlackBerry for review.
Abedin told the FBI in an interview in April that her attorneys asked for guidance from the State Department on how to conduct that review but did not receive a response. Summarizing Abedin’s interview, FBI agents wrote that she told them the attorneys “erred on the side of caution and opted to include anything that they were unsure about.” In a sworn deposition in June, Abedin said she “looked for all the devices that may have any of my State Department work on it and returned — returned — gave them to my attorneys for them to review for all relevant documents.”
Meanwhile, on Friday, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump took aim at Abedin in particular as he brought up Clinton’s emails.
“I wonder is she going to keep Huma?” Trump said. “Huma has been a problem. I wonder: Is Huma going to stay there?”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-aide-huma-abedin-has-told-people-she-doesnt-know-how-her-emails-wound-up-on-her-husbands-computer/2016/10/29/1d30c2b8-9e15-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1
She lies as much as clinton
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 12:13 AM
Basically Everybody Thinks James Comey Has Fucked Up
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/basically-everybody-thinks-james-comey-has-fucked
ducks
10-31-2016, 12:28 AM
Yes it is his fault clinton keeps breaking the law and is careless with her email
spurraider21
10-31-2016, 12:49 AM
Wait, now it's a bad thing for a media outlet to give a voice to both sides of an issue?
Maybe the problem is people just want all media to validate their POV.except they aren't giving voice to both sides. both of those perspectives protected one party
SnakeBoy
10-31-2016, 12:50 AM
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:lol
pgardn
10-31-2016, 01:20 AM
:lol
So don't understand the difference between opinion pieces and reporting. The Washington post is a liberal paper. They are going to take this stance. You expected different? I say it's a bad makeup call for some perceived wrong for not going further with Clinton in the first place. Comey is done in politics. Which he was not supposed to be in the first place.
ElNono
10-31-2016, 01:27 AM
except they aren't giving voice to both sides. both of those perspectives protected one party
to be fair too though, those two pieces were not written by the same authors from what can be seen on the screencaps.
spurraider21
10-31-2016, 01:51 AM
to be fair too though, those two pieces were not written by the same authors from what can be seen on the screencaps.i know. but its pretty ridiculous to take those 2 shots and say its WaPo presenting both sides :lol
i know. but its pretty ridiculous to take those 2 shots and say its WaPo presenting both sides :lol
Laughable tbh
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 06:50 AM
Yes it is his fault clinton keeps breaking the law and is careless with her email
nope, total non-issue, toally fabricated by the Repug smoke machine, no fire, just smoke
hater
10-31-2016, 07:02 AM
:lmao washington Shitler Post :lmao
Worst publication in the history of the world :lol
They are so much into Clintlers pocket its fucking disgusting and makes a mockery out of our country
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 07:18 AM
Trump companies destroyed emails and other documents judges ordered him to turn over
the Republican presidential nominee’s companies have systematically destroyed records sought by his opponents in lawsuits.
Court filings, judicial orders and affidavits show Trump’s employees destroyed or hid thousands of emails, digital records and other documents demanded as part of official proceedings,
Some of the destruction violated court orders, and the tactic often forced contractors, former business partners and others entangled in lawsuits with Trump to “spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records,”
The real estate developer employed that strategy — “deny, impede and delay, while destroying documents the court had ordered them to hand over” — dating back to 1973, when Trump and his father battled the federal government over racist housing discrimination claims.
Trump has fed misleading information to reporters about his lawsuits, threatened libel lawsuits against his critics and lied during sworn statements,
The review showed Trump had disregarded rules and abused the judicial system for decades
“He promised to turn over his tax returns and his health records — just as he promised to comply with document discovery requirements in so many lawsuits — then reneged,”
“As a result, he has left a sparse evidentiary trail that can be used to assess his wealth, his qualifications for the presidency or even his fitness.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trump-companies-destroyed-emails-and-other-documents-judges-ordered-him-to-turn-over-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
Trash is a criminal piece of shit, still supported by just under 40% of polled people, which slimes his supporters.
Spurminator
10-31-2016, 09:08 AM
i know. but its pretty ridiculous to take those 2 shots and say its WaPo presenting both sides :lol
I misread, thought it was two viewpoints of the same story. My mistake.
pgardn
10-31-2016, 09:28 AM
:lmao washington Shitler Post :lmao
Worst publication in the history of the world :lol
They are so much into Clintlers pocket its fucking disgusting and makes a mockery out of our country
Its a very good paper.
Has some very good stuff. You are another that does not understand you are reading opinion pieces from a liberal paper.
What news outlet do you suggest?
Spurminator
10-31-2016, 09:31 AM
Its a very good paper.
Has some very good stuff. You are another that does not understand you are reading opinion pieces from a liberal paper.
What news outlet do you suggest?
4chan, tbh
Winehole23
10-31-2016, 09:42 AM
Hater tends to hide his source material, either by omission or by feigning original insight. He's wise to do so.
TheSanityAnnex
10-31-2016, 10:03 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/303542-doug-schoen-reassessing-my-support-for-Hillary (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/303542-doug-schoen-reassessing-my-support-for-hillary)
Doug Schoen: Reassessing my support for Hillary Clinton
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/303542-doug-schoen-reassessing-my-support-for-Hillary (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/303542-doug-schoen-reassessing-my-support-for-hillary)
Doug Schoen: Reassessing my support for Hillary Clinton
A reach, no? A pollster and a Fox contributor. I rest my case.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 10:56 AM
The Very Political James Comey
The FBI director says he doesn’t "give a hoot” about politics. But when it comes to Clinton and her emails, he’s made a series of political decisions that have jeopardized the integrity of the FBI—and the U.S. election process.
these letters give the lie to Comey’s repeated insistence that the FBI is above politics, exposing that notion as both irrelevant—because, whatever his motivations, Comey’s actions have placed the FBI at center stage during the presidential campaign’s climactic moment—and absurd, because the director has, in fact, repeatedly bowed to political pressures arising from the Clinton investigation.
Since July, by repeatedly caving to political pressures as he sought to resolve an investigation that has now been grievously compromised by his own public statements, the director has led the bureau into its most politically perilous chapter in generations—with the presidential campaign hanging in the balance. It’s a crisis that’s unprecedented in FBI history—and the endgame, with just over a week until Election Day, is anything but clear.
addressed to the Republican chairmen of eight congressional committees, Comey dropped a bombshell that shook the presidential race.
In defiance of longstanding tradition, Justice Department policy and an explicit warning from the department’s senior leadership, the director informed Congress that the FBI would be taking “appropriate investigative steps” to review “emails that appear to be pertinent” to its probe into Hillary Clinton’s email practices—a probe that Comey himself had very publicly laid to rest more than three months earlier.
Comey’s rambling statement—which veered at times into speculation and would have been assailed as prejudicial,
this line of reasoning—that the rules do not apply in cases like Clinton’s, and that
the need for “extraordinary transparency,” as defined by the FBI director, outweighs the rights of a person under investigation—
is that every successive disclosure sets an unfortunate precedent (or at least a public expectation), and every new exemption leads to another.
Comey will devise a way to respond to this spiraling political furor, further bending the rules toward “extraordinary transparency” in hopes of clarifying at least some of the ambiguities introduced in his letters. Unfortunately, though,
the damage has likely been done. The headline itself has become the indictment; the underlying facts matter hardly at all.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/the-very-political-james-comey-214403 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/the-very-political-james-comey-214403)
The Repugs KNOW they can't win legitimately, so they force Comey into compromising the FBI
FromWayDowntown
10-31-2016, 11:11 AM
I wish there was a way to actually quantify the complete ridiculousness of these candidates. An unserious "billionaire" who barely comprehends the Constitution and insults or attacks everyone who doesn't meet his standard of white male "excellence;" and a hubristic politician who had the red carpet rolled out for her but can't get out of her own way.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 11:16 AM
red carpet rolled out for her but can't get out of her own way.
so you inhale deeply the Repug smoke machine?
Hillary is not "good", but she is certainly not as horrible, disastrous as Trash, Repugs, Comey slime her.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 11:20 AM
The real bombshell in Harry Reid's letter (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/30/1588935/-The-real-bombshell-in-Harry-Reid-s-letter)
http://images.dailykos.com/images/319943/story_image/Harry_Reid_ltr_to_Comey.png?1477890659
Highlighting it here because
It suggests there is specific information in FBI possession, not just vague innuendo and suspicion linking Trump to Putin.
Since this specific information is at least several months old, it is more than likely that ongoing followups have added to that trove of information.
Note a separate full sentence “There is no danger to American interests from releasing it”, further cementing the idea that the information is specific.
If Reid has it, so do all the other Republican Senators and at least some House members, making them complicit in their endorsement of Trump. No longer can they hide behind the idea that they support him just as “the party nominee”.
Everyone would recall FBI has specifically refused to comment or even confirm if they are even investigating Trump’s Russia connection.
So the FBI double standard in keeping on going after Clinton is laid very bare and helps undermine the credibility and legitimacy of the entire Clinton Email scandal which has just been blown out of all reasonable proportion.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/30/1588935/-The-real-bombshell-in-Harry-Reid-s-letter?detail=email&link_id=5&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-former-irs-chief-counsel-attorney-says-irs-should-open-criminal-investigation-of-trump-foundation&email_referrer=former-irs-chief-counsel-attorney-says-irs-should-open-criminal-investigation-of-trump-foundation___126743&email_subject=the-real-bombshell-in-harry-reids-letter
baseline bum
10-31-2016, 11:32 AM
Reagan rolling in his grave at his party working with the Russians
FromWayDowntown
10-31-2016, 11:35 AM
so you inhale deeply the Repug smoke machine?
Hillary is not "good", but she is certainly not a horrible, disastrous as Trash, Repugs, Comey slime her.
I don't believe that I called her those things. I'm quite sure what I said was that is she hadn't bumbled through some of this stuff, she would have waltzed to the White House.
You should read things more carefully instead of just assuming that anyone who doesn't completely toe your line is your political opponent.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 11:39 AM
Reagan rolling in his grave at his party working with the Russians
St Ronnie's team made a deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages until after the 1980 election, to deny Carter any credit if they were released before the election.
The "deal"? St Ronnie's administration would not retaliate for the Iranians' act of war on US sovereign territory.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 11:53 AM
"I don't believe that I called her those things."
I didn't say you did, "you should read things more carefully"
"she would have waltzed to the White House."
nope, not with the Repugs' smoke, slime, slander machine these past 25 years, no Dem could waltz, and any Dem would be trashed, witch hunted non-stop in office.
Fuck the Repugs to hell.
FromWayDowntown
10-31-2016, 11:58 AM
"she would have waltzed to the White House."
nope, not with the Repugs' smoke, slime, slander machine these past 25 years, no Dem could waltz, and any Dem would be trashed, witch hunted non-stop in office.
Even that machine was having a hard time justifying Trump. Hillary's stupidity has allowed this to be a close race; even with her bad choices in the past, the race was nearing a blowout as recently as a week ago. Trump was the perfect fool to just keep the news cycle going on anything negative about him, no matter what his surrogates might say.
While I doubt that there's any real fire with this turn of events, if she loses this race, she has only her past bad judgment to blame for it in my view.
RandomGuy
10-31-2016, 01:05 PM
Doing as well as can be. Hope you are doing okay. Does anyone ever hear from Coastal Kid. And the dentist from College Station?
Thanks for asking.
Ok-ish.
No and no.
mouse seems to have dropped off the spurstalk planet though.
Axl Rose
10-31-2016, 01:14 PM
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest: "The President doesn’t believe Director Comey is trying to influence the outcome of an election." Also calls him "man of integrity".
Warlord23
10-31-2016, 01:20 PM
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest: "The President doesn’t believe Director Comey is trying to influence the outcome of an election." Also calls him "man of integrity".
So now you believe the White House, eh? What next ... Let me guess, you knew/believed all along that Obama was born in the US, and that his DoJ has behaved impartially all along?
TheSanityAnnex
10-31-2016, 01:25 PM
The real bombshell in Harry Reid's letter (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/30/1588935/-The-real-bombshell-in-Harry-Reid-s-letter)
http://images.dailykos.com/images/319943/story_image/Harry_Reid_ltr_to_Comey.png?1477890659
Highlighting it here because
It suggests there is specific information in FBI possession, not just vague innuendo and suspicion linking Trump to Putin.
Since this specific information is at least several months old, it is more than likely that ongoing followups have added to that trove of information.
Note a separate full sentence “There is no danger to American interests from releasing it”, further cementing the idea that the information is specific.
If Reid has it, so do all the other Republican Senators and at least some House members, making them complicit in their endorsement of Trump. No longer can they hide behind the idea that they support him just as “the party nominee”.
Everyone would recall FBI has specifically refused to comment or even confirm if they are even investigating Trump’s Russia connection.
So the FBI double standard in keeping on going after Clinton is laid very bare and helps undermine the credibility and legitimacy of the entire Clinton Email scandal which has just been blown out of all reasonable proportion.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/30/1588935/-The-real-bombshell-in-Harry-Reid-s-letter?detail=email&link_id=5&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-former-irs-chief-counsel-attorney-says-irs-should-open-criminal-investigation-of-trump-foundation&email_referrer=former-irs-chief-counsel-attorney-says-irs-should-open-criminal-investigation-of-trump-foundation___126743&email_subject=the-real-bombshell-in-harry-reids-letter
Harry Reid has a much credibility as Reck. Reid pulled this same shit with Romney and his taxes
Axl Rose
10-31-2016, 01:30 PM
So now you believe the White House, eh? What next ... Let me guess, you knew/believed all along that Obama was born in the US, and that his DoJ has behaved impartially all along?
I'm saying that even obama says it's not a conspiracy, comey is just doing his job. There must really be something there for obama to say this. Hes distancing himself from her
DarrinS
10-31-2016, 01:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jH_DBR4pSI
TheSanityAnnex
10-31-2016, 02:13 PM
:lmao boy are you fucking stupid.
Comey didn't even know what was in these uncovered emails when he wrote that letter.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/comey-wrote-bombshell-letter-to-congress-before-fbi-had-reviewed-new-emails-220219586.html
Stop being an obtuse moron for one second and breathe..read. Enrich yourself before posting your stupid conspiracies.
I was correct again. They've had these since the beginning of October. Lol 4chan
Chucho
10-31-2016, 02:50 PM
so you inhale deeply the Repug smoke machine?
Hillary is not "good", but she is certainly not as horrible, disastrous as Trash, Repugs, Comey slime her.
But you were cool with Comey when he was working with Hitlery and AG Lynch(ed) and Uncle Tom Obama. LOL, you are the epitome of the laughable, project-what-the-Left-is-doing-to-the-Right-because-I'm-a-heartless-disgusting-LOLibertard-and-want-a-globalist-who-is-in-bed-with-Big-Corporate-to-be-in-charge LOLibertard. And a hypocrite. Just reminding you since self-awareness is like Number 10002 on the list of things you don't know about.
lefty
10-31-2016, 02:53 PM
:lol just give up Trumptards, Mrs Clinton is winning that shit
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 03:12 PM
But you were cool with Comey when he was working with Hitlery and AG Lynch(ed) and Uncle Tom Obama. LOL, you are the epitome of the laughable, project-what-the-Left-is-doing-to-the-Right-because-I'm-a-heartless-disgusting-LOLibertard-and-want-a-globalist-who-is-in-bed-with-Big-Corporate-to-be-in-charge LOLibertard. And a hypocrite. Just reminding you since self-awareness is like Number 10002 on the list of things you don't know about.
???? you're full of shit
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 03:17 PM
Comey thought it was too political to say Russians were meddling in election (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/31/1589221/-Source-Comey-thought-it-was-too-political-to-say-Russians-were-meddling-in-election)
FBI Director James Comey argued privately that it was too close to Election Day for the United States government to name Russia as meddling in the U.S. election and ultimately ensured that the FBI's name was not on the document that the U.S. government put out, a former FBI official tells CNBC. [...]
According to the former official, Comey agreed with the conclusion the intelligence community came to: "A foreign power was trying to undermine the election. He believed it to be true, but was against putting it out before the election." Comey's position, this official said, was "if it is said, it shouldn't come from the FBI, which as you'll recall it did not."
So … “we have concluded that another country is for sure trying to influence our election” isn’t suitable for public consumption, but “there may be some emails, we’re not really sure” is something to release immediately?
That does not make Comey look like the principled straight shooter he keeps getting credit for being.
And it gives new credence to Harry Reid’s letter charging Comey (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/31/1588983/-Harry-Reid-makes-most-serious-accusation-of-the-campaign-Comey-covering-up-Trump-Russia-connection) with covering up evidence of a connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/31/1589221/-Source-Comey-thought-it-was-too-political-to-say-Russians-were-meddling-in-election?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29
xrayzebra
10-31-2016, 03:48 PM
Good Lord Boutons, The Daily Kos as the authority on a post. I thought you had outgrown that kinda thing. But obviously you haven't. Now crawl back under your rock and we will call you while they are swearing in Trump......
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 03:52 PM
Good Lord Boutons, The Daily Kos as the authority on a post. I thought you had outgrown that kinda thing. But obviously you haven't. Now crawl back under your rock and we will call you while they are swearing in Trump......
XZ, have you changed your Alzheimer's drugs? you're more eloquent than usual.
but just as wrong.
FBI/Comey informed the Senate months ago about Trash's, Manafort's relationships with Russia, but we hear nothing but Comey going after Hillary, while refusing to say anything about Trash and Russia.
If Reid has the that info, he should divulge it.
SnakeBoy
10-31-2016, 04:07 PM
I'm saying that even obama says it's not a conspiracy, comey is just doing his job. There must really be something there for obama to say this. Hes distancing himself from her
Yep
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 04:21 PM
Obama is defending the FBI director HE appointed, quite different from Obama and wifey stopping to campaign for Hillary.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 04:55 PM
Harry Reid: FBI Director’s ‘Partisan Actions’ May Violate Federal Law
James Comey disclosed, less than two weeks before presidential election, that his office was pursuing potential new evidence related to Hillary Clinton
Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid (http://topics.wsj.com/person/R/harry,-reid/5832) said FBI Director James Comey may have violated a federal law when he disclosed, less than two weeks before the presidential election, that his office was pursuing potential new evidence (http://www.wsj.com/articles/laptop-may-include-thousands-of-emails-linked-to-hillary-clintons-private-server-1477854957) related to Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton (http://topics.wsj.com/person/C/hillary,-clinton/6344)’s use of a private email server as secretary of state.
Mr. Reid was preparing to send a letter to Mr. Comey on Sunday saying he appears to be aiding one political party over another.
He said that may violate the Hatch Act, which bars government officials from using their position to influence an election.
“I am writing to inform you that my office has determined that these actions may violate the Hatch Act,” the Senate minority leader wrote, according to a draft of the letter provided to The Wall Street Journal.
“Through your partisan actions, you may have broken the law.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/10/30/harry-reid-comeys-partisan-actions-may-violate-federal-law/
Let's see if the dickless Dems have the guts to go after Comey NOW, not next year.
Chucho
10-31-2016, 05:00 PM
Good Lord Boutons, The Daily Kos as the authority on a post. I thought you had outgrown that kinda thing. But obviously you haven't. Now crawl back under your rock and we will call you while they are swearing in Trump......
LOL and all this guy does anytime someone points of dose of truth at him is :
"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...GOP INSULTLZ LOLZ...BIASED NEWSOURCE LOLZ...Im full of shit, a racist and a biggot RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE GOP INSULTZ...KILLMEMYSCHTICKISOLD..."
He's nothing more than the all-too-typical, disgusting, abhorrent, deplorable Facism-loving LOLibertard wing nut fuck boy.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 05:26 PM
LOL and all this guy does anytime someone points of dose of truth at him is :
"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...GOP INSULTLZ LOLZ...BIASED NEWSOURCE LOLZ...Im full of shit, a racist and a biggot RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE GOP INSULTZ...KILLMEMYSCHTICKISOLD..."
He's nothing more than the all-too-typical, disgusting, abhorrent, deplorable Facism-loving LOLibertard wing nut fuck boy.
Chucho, go back to Mexico.
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 05:35 PM
GOP Rep.: Comey’s Vague Letter Was ‘Probably Not the Right Thing’ To Do Before The Election
Representative Jim Jordan has now joined the conservative (http://www.mediaite.com/online/joe-walsh-hillary-is-corrupt-as-hell-but-its-wrong-and-unfair-for-comey-to-interfere-with-the-election/) voices (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-pirro-on-fbi-news-what-happened-to-hillary-clinton-was-wrong/)who say that James Comey‘s Friday letter about Hillary Clinton was not the best announcement to make so close to Election Day.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-rep-comeys-vague-letter-was-probably-not-the-right-thing-to-do-before-the-election/
"probably" ? :lol weasel word
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 05:39 PM
:lol FBI is hilarious! what a bunch of jokers! :lol
FBI opens investigation into ex-Trump campaign manager Manfort’s foreign ties
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/fbi-opens-investigation-into-ex-trump-campaign-manager-manforts-foreign-ties/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
ducks
10-31-2016, 06:01 PM
Obama Doesn't Believe Comey Trying to Influence Election
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 06:44 PM
GOP Sen. Charles Grassley demands additional information from FBI about new email investigation
The Republican leader of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday demanded additional information about the FBI's new investigation of emails that may be related to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton (http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-all-things-clinton).
Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) said the bureau’s vague disclosure on Friday about the new review, just 11 days before the presidential election, was unsatisfactory and unfair.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-gop-senate-judiciary-leader-demands-1477947528-htmlstory.html#
But Grassley thinks blocking Dem SCOTUS appointments FOREVER is "fair"
Repugs and their voters are ALL ASSHOLES
TheSanityAnnex
10-31-2016, 06:46 PM
GOP Sen. Charles Grassley demands additional information from FBI about new email investigation
The Republican leader of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday demanded additional information about the FBI's new investigation of emails that may be related to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton (http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-all-things-clinton).
Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) said the bureau’s vague disclosure on Friday about the new review, just 11 days before the presidential election, was unsatisfactory and unfair.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-gop-senate-judiciary-leader-demands-1477947528-htmlstory.html#
But Grassley thinks blocking Dem SCOTUS appointments FOREVER is "fair"
Repugs and their voters are ALL ASSHOLES
Serious question, does CTR pay you hourly or by the post?
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 07:31 PM
The brutal genius of Harry Reid's letter (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/30/1588938/-The-brutal-genius-of-Harry-Reid-s-letter)
This means that James Comey now has only two possible responses to this accusation if pressed about it by the press.
He can either:
Confirm that the Senator is right that he is aware of connections between Mr. Trump and Russia
or
Say that as a federal agent, commenting on a presidential candidate’s affairs at this time would be a violation of the Hatch Act
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/30/1588938/-The-brutal-genius-of-Harry-Reid-s-letter?detail=email&link_id=16&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-donald-trump-destroyed-emails-recordings-documents-in-defiance-of-court-orders&email_referrer=donald-trump-destroyed-emails-recordings-documents-in-defiance-of-court-orders&email_subject=donald-trump-destroyed-emails-recordings-documents-in-defiance-of-court-orders
So, will the press go after Comey? ask him point blank about Trash and Russia?
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 08:02 PM
Penalties
Removal is the only penalty authorized for violation of the Hatch Act, under 5 U.S.C.S. § 1505.
The Merit System Protection Board (MSPB) has plenary jurisdiction under § 1505 to determine after a hearing whether the violation warrants the removal of the officer or employee from his office or employment.
The Board considers whether removal is appropriate on the basis of seriousness of the violation.
The Board takes into account all relevant mitigating and aggravating factors, including:
(1) the nature of the offense and the extent of the employee’s participation;
(2) the employee’s motive and intent;
(3) whether the employee received the advice of counsel regarding the activities at issue;
(4) whether the employee ceased the activities at issue; (5) the employee’s past employment record; and
(6) the political coloring of the employee’s activities.
The decision as to whether removal is warranted is a matter of administrative discretion.
https://hatchact.uslegal.com/penalties/
Members:
http://www.mspb.gov/about/members.htm
boutons_deux
10-31-2016, 08:08 PM
"Even if he didn’t violate the letter of the Hatch Act,
he certainly violated the spirit of the Hatch Act,
which should have prompted him to think twice before issuing that letter.
Especially because the letter didn’t say anything," he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-hatch-act-idUSKBN12V2HQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29
As always, the powerful escape accountability.
Spurs 4 The Win
10-31-2016, 08:48 PM
Obama Doesn't Believe Comey Trying to Influence Election
dont tell boutons_doux that, he will freak out, his idle Reid told him he was
CosmicCowboy
11-01-2016, 06:27 AM
Don't worry Boo. Hillary will be able to pardon herself.
Don't worry Boo. Hillary will be able to pardon herself.
Weren't you jizzing all over yourself in the days following the FBI letter saying how she was done? What happened? Did you learn how to read polls?
Up 6 nationally. Basically unchanged. :lol
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 07:30 AM
Don't worry Boo. Hillary will be able to pardon herself.
for what? There's no fire, it's all Repug smoke.
CosmicCowboy
11-01-2016, 07:41 AM
Weren't you jizzing all over yourself in the days following the FBI letter saying how she was done? What happened? Did you learn how to read polls?
Up 6 nationally. Basically unchanged. :lol
It wasn't me.
Besides, aren't you supposed to have quit posting after you lost the bet? What a loser...
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 07:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=DLH36Tr-8pE
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 08:19 AM
The FBI’s years-long investigation into a fictional anti-goth cult
Bureau spent two years chasing down leaders of “God Hates Goths” church before realizing the whole thing was a parody
https://d3gn0r3afghep.cloudfront.net/news_images/2016/10/30/GothsCov.jpg.1200x400_q85_crop.jpg
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2016/oct/31/fbis-investgation-god-hates-goths/
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 11:00 AM
Weren't you jizzing all over yourself in the days following the FBI letter saying how she was done? What happened? Did you learn how to read polls?
Up 6 nationally. Basically unchanged. :lolBasically unchanged :lol
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_st ein-5952.html
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 11:22 AM
5 separate FBI investigations on Clintons, inner circle, and their families
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3889994/Influence-peddling-acting-Putin-s-ally-hiding-classified-secrets-sexting-FIVE-separate-FBI-cases-probing-virtually-one-Clinton-s-inner-circle-families.html
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 11:32 AM
5 separate FBI investigations on Clintons, inner circle, and their families
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3889994/Influence-peddling-acting-Putin-s-ally-hiding-classified-secrets-sexting-FIVE-separate-FBI-cases-probing-virtually-one-Clinton-s-inner-circle-families.html
investigations mostly under intense political pressure from the Repugs, behind smokescren of LIES, SLANDER from the Repugs and rightwing hate media.
And NO CRIMES FOUND.
emails! :lol
FBI finds 650K emails on pedophile Weener's machine, proving, mails unread, that Hillary's a criminal. :lol
Benghazi! :lol
Chucho
11-01-2016, 11:41 AM
investigations mostly under intense political pressure from the Repugs, behind smokescren of LIES, SLANDER from the Repugs and rightwing hate media.
And NO CRIMES FOUND.
emails! :lol
FBI finds 650K emails on pedophile Weener's machine, proving, mails unread, that Hillary's a criminal. :lol
Benghazi! :lol
LOL, you are selectively ignorant or just retarded. You have no hint of context and I love how you always try and play down the gravity of the situation. Guess what, Libertard, when you surround yourself with scoundrels, slave masters, propagandists and criminals, chances are you're the same. Hillary is awful and you're a racist, bigot, fucking moron and a deplorable human being for supporting her. Let alone your 1-dimensional schtick is built on nothing but disgusting hatred and hypocrisy. You're no different than your Slave Owning, Jim Crowe-leveraging Ancestors that did the same exact thing.
Basically unchanged :lol
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_st ein-5952.html
Nice try.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN12V2DI
That Washington poll is an outlier. A week ago she was up 12..two days later she was only up 4 and a week later she's trailing? Seems legit.
Daily tracking polls are proven unreliable. The weekly ones are a better tell.
Also LA and Rasmussen poll. :lol
Just wait until RCP updates their average with the reuters poll. :lol
BTW..if you really want to tell how this race hasn't change just look at the battleground or even the individual polls.
They are about the same and in some cases even an even bigger lead in places like Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia etc..
And ultimately I'll let Nate tell you where the race stands as of today.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
So yeah... support unchanged.
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 11:53 AM
Nice try.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN12V2DI
That Washington poll is an outlier. A week ago she was up 12..two days later she was only up 4 and a week later she's trailing? Seems legit.
Daily tracking polls are proven unreliable. The weekly ones are a better tell.
Also LA and Rasmussen poll. :lol
Just wait until RCP updates their average with the reuters poll. :lol
BTW..if you really want to tell how this race hasn't change just look at the battleground or even the individual polls.
They are about the same and in some cases even an even bigger lead in places like Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia etc..
And ultimately I'll let Nate tell you where the race stands as of today.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
So yeah... support unchanged.
Clinton's support changed enough to drop her odds of winning the presidency 5.2% since Friday in the polls-only model you linked.
Clinton's support changed enough to drop her odds of winning the presidency 5.2% since Friday in the polls-only model you linked.
Thats because he factors the daily tracking polls which are deceiving in their own way.
Do you believe that someone can be leading by 12 points and two days later be only up 4 then a week later being actually down a point?
Nate's own forecast doesn't change that much. Only about a point.
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 12:17 PM
Thats because he factors the daily tracking polls which are deceiving in their own way.
Do you believe that someone can be leading by 12 points and two days later be only up 4 then a week later being actually down a point?
Nate's own forecast doesn't change that much. Only about a point.
I do believe Comey's announcement has really hurt her and she'll probably be down to maybe a 60-65% favorite within the week. It took a few days for Silver's model to catch up to all the fallout from when Clinton collapsed on September 11th since it takes time for polls to come out factoring the new developments in.
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 12:20 PM
Nate's own forecast doesn't change that much. Only about a point.
Are you serious? Silver's polls-plus model has gone from Clinton having a 61% chance of taking Florida on last Friday to 49% today.
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 12:22 PM
650K emails! Hillary's a criminal! :lol
Rightwingnut, Repug, rightwing hate media, Trash "logic"! :lol
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 12:29 PM
Are you serious? Silver's polls-plus model has gone from Clinton having a 61% chance of taking Florida on last Friday to 49% today.
:lol Reck shitting all over himself today
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 12:36 PM
5 separate FBI investigations on Clintons, inner circle, and their families
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3889994/Influence-peddling-acting-Putin-s-ally-hiding-classified-secrets-sexting-FIVE-separate-FBI-cases-probing-virtually-one-Clinton-s-inner-circle-families.html
Daily Mail
The Daily Mail leads with the headline "Everything Is Fine: Fear It, Fear It."
—That Mitchell And Webb Look
http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/thumb/e/e3/Daily_mail_1938.jpg/165px-Daily_mail_1938.jpg (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Daily_mail_1938.jpg)http://rationalwiki.org/w/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Daily_mail_1938.jpg)
The Daily Mail in 1938. Today it has the same message against asylum seekers
The Daily Mail (aka, Hate Mail, Daily Fail, Daily Heil, Daily Moan, Crazy Mail and so on) is a reactionary, neo-fascist tabloid (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tabloid) rag masquerading as a "traditional values (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Traditional_values)," middle-class newspaper that is, in many ways, the second-worst of the British (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) gutter press (only Rupert Murdoch (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch)'s Sun (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Sun) is worse). Its weighty Sunday counterpart is the Mail on Sunday.
The Daily Mail is to the U.K. what the New York Post (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/New_York_Post) is to the United States (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/United_States), and what the Drudge Report (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Drudge_Report) is to the Internet (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Internet): to whit, gossipy tabloid "journalism (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Journalism)" for those who cannot digest serious news (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/News), with a flippantly wingnut (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wingnut) editorial stance.
The Daily Mail is notable among British tabloids for rejecting the standard red-top banner in order to try to appear more upmarket and respectable, although it does sometimes go in for the full front-page picture or headline characteristic of the populist (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Populism) rags.
It is also notorious for its frequent harassment of individuals, campaigns of hate directed at various minorities (lately focusing on Muslims (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Muslims)), and willfully deceiving (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Deceit) and lying to its readers.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail
... explains TSA's beloved Daily Fail huge headline
Are you serious? Silver's polls-plus model has gone from Clinton having a 61% chance of taking Florida on last Friday to 49% today.
Dead serious.
Polls fluctuate state by state. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about nationally.
Here's that article of Nate.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-comey-or-not-trump-continues-to-narrow-gap-with-clinton/
He goes into how Comey's letter has had minimal impact on the race.
Are you serious? Silver's polls-plus model has gone from Clinton having a 61% chance of taking Florida on last Friday to 49% today.
And like I said..Nate likes to fuck around with state percentages. He now has her winning Florida by almost 52%.
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 12:54 PM
Dead serious.
Polls fluctuate state by state. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about nationally.
Here's that article of Nate.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-comey-or-not-trump-continues-to-narrow-gap-with-clinton/
He goes into how Comey's letter has had minimal impact on the race.
The national poll means shit, this election is won by taking 270 in the electoral college. Clinton getting more votes in red states she will still lose doesn't help her win the presidency. She is losing ground in Florida and Ohio, either of which would have won her the election a few days ago.
The national poll means shit, this election is won by taking 270 in the electoral college. Clinton getting more votes in red states she will still lose doesn't help her win the presidency. She is losing ground in Florida and Ohio, either of which would have won her the election a few days ago.
Ohio, I have always felt was going for Trump all along.
She's in great shape everywhere else though. She's even getting bonuses in Arizona and North Carolina.
Polls do not indicate she's struglling in her so called firewalls.
Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado, Wisconsin and New Hampshire are all almost a Clinton lock.
Honestly, Florida would be like a gift. She wants it but really doesn't need it if these states hold up.
Oh I forgot Michigan. She's up big time there as well.
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 01:07 PM
Comey Must Explain Why He Advised Obama Not to Publicly Accuse Russia of Hacking Democrats
Comey struggled with not wanting to appear biased as the FBI investigated Russian interference with the U.S. presidential election, and so he told the Obama administration not to accuse Russia of the DNC hackings lest they be seen as "partisan". :lol
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/01/comey.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 01:28 PM
Ohio, I have always felt was going for Trump all along.
She's in great shape everywhere else though. She's even getting bonuses in Arizona and North Carolina.
Polls do not indicate she's struglling in her so called firewalls.
Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado, Wisconsin and New Hampshire are all almost a Clinton lock.
Honestly, Florida would be like a gift. She wants it but really doesn't need it if these states hold up.
Arizona doesn't matter, it's a likely Trump state.
Spurminator
11-01-2016, 01:31 PM
There has definitely seemed to be a 3rd Party shift in favor of Trump (i.e. 3rd Party votes declining while Trump rises).
People are blaming Comey but they're forgetting that a lot of Obamacare news came out last week related to increased rates. My guess is that has had more of an impact than Comey or any of this stuff.
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 01:34 PM
There has definitely seemed to be a 3rd Party shift in favor of Trump (i.e. 3rd Party votes declining while Trump rises).
People are blaming Comey but they're forgetting that a lot of Obamacare news came out last week related to increased rates. My guess is that has had more of an impact than Comey or any of this stuff.
The insurance rate rise, been going on for decades, being associated with, even blamed on, Obamacare is typical rightwing/media BULLSHIT, leading 10MS of Americans who can't see or smell bullshit if it hit them in the face.
Spurminator
11-01-2016, 01:45 PM
The insurance rate rise, been going on for decades, being associated with, even blamed on, Obamacare is typical rightwing/media BULLSHIT, leading 10MS of Americans who can't see or smell bullshit if it hit them in the face.
Thanks for your editorial opinion, but regardless, news of double digit hikes came out and suddenly the gap is closing.
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 03:01 PM
:lol FBI is hilarious! what a bunch of jokers! :lol
FBI opens investigation into ex-Trump campaign manager Manfort’s foreign ties
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/fbi-opens-investigation-into-ex-trump-campaign-manager-manforts-foreign-ties/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
Nice try CTR shill. Like I said yesterday, Harry Reid was full of shit.
Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html
By ERIC LICHTBLAU and STEVEN LEE MYERS
October 31, 2016WASHINGTON — For much of the summer, the F.B.I. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org) pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump (http://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/donald-trump?inline=nyt-per), looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.
Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.
Hillary Clinton’s supporters, angry over what they regard as a lack of scrutiny of Mr. Trump by law enforcement officials, pushed for these investigations. In recent days they have also demanded that James B. Comey, the director of the F.B.I., discuss them publicly, as he did last week when he announced that a new batch of emails (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html) possibly connected to Mrs. Clinton had been discovered.
Supporters of Mrs. Clinton have argued that Mr. Trump’s evident affinity for Russia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/russiaandtheformersovietunion/index.html?inline=nyt-geo)’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — Mr. Trump has called him a great leader and echoed his policies toward NATO, Ukraine and the war in Syria — and the hacks of leading Democrats like John D. Podesta, the chairman of the Clinton campaign, are clear indications that Russia has taken sides in the presidential race and that voters should know what the F.B.I. has found.
The F.B.I.’s inquiries into Russia’s possible role continue, as does the investigation into the emails involving Mrs. Clinton’s top aide, Huma Abedin, on a computer she shared with her estranged husband, Anthony D. Weiner. Mrs. Clinton’s supporters argue that voters have as much right to know what the F.B.I. has found in Mr. Trump’s case, even if the findings are not yet conclusive.
“You do not hear the director talking about any other investigation he is involved in,” Representative Gregory W. Meeks, Democrat of New York, said after Mr. Comey’s letter to Congress was made public. “Is he investigating the Trump Foundation? Is he looking into the Russians hacking into all of our emails? Is he looking into and deciding what is going on with regards to other allegations of the Trump Organization?”
Mr. Comey would not even confirm the existence of any investigation of Mr. Trump’s aides when asked during an appearance in September before Congress. In the Obama administration’s internal deliberations over identifying the Russians as the source of the hacks, Mr. Comey also argued against doing so and succeeded in keeping the F.B.I.’s imprimatur off the formal findings, a law enforcement official said. His stance was first reported by CNBC.
Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the minority leader, responded angrily on Sunday with a letter accusing the F.B.I. of not being forthcoming about Mr. Trump’s alleged ties with Moscow.
“It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisers, and the Russian government — a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States, which Trump praises at every opportunity,” Mr. Reid wrote. “The public has a right to know this information.”
F.B.I. officials declined to comment on Monday. Intelligence officials have said in interviews over the last six weeks that apparent connections between some of Mr. Trump’s aides and Moscow originally compelled them to open a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Republican presidential candidate. Still, they have said that Mr. Trump himself has not become a target. And no evidence has emerged that would link him or anyone else in his business or political circle directly to Russia’s election operations.
At least one part of the investigation has involved Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman for much of the year. Mr. Manafort, a veteran Republican political strategist, has had extensive business ties in Russia and other former Soviet states, especially Ukraine, where he served as an adviser to that country’s ousted president, Viktor F. Yanukovych.
But the focus in that case was on Mr. Manafort’s ties with a kleptocratic government in Ukraine — and whether he had declared the income in the United States — and not necessarily on any Russian influence over Mr. Trump’s campaign, one official said.
In classified sessions in August and September, intelligence officials also briefed congressional leaders on the possibility of financial ties between Russians and people connected to Mr. Trump. They focused particular attention on what cyberexperts said appeared to be a mysterious computer back channel between the Trump Organization and the Alfa Bank, which is one of Russia’s biggest banks and whose owners have longstanding ties to Mr. Putin.
F.B.I. officials spent weeks examining computer data showing an odd stream of activity to a Trump Organization server and Alfa Bank. Computer logs obtained by The New York Times show that two servers at Alfa Bank sent more than 2,700 “look-up” messages — a first step for one system’s computers to talk to another — to a Trump-connected server beginning in the spring. But the F.B.I. ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts.
The most serious part of the F.B.I.’s investigation has focused on the computer hacks that the Obama administration now formally blames on Russia. That investigation also involves numerous officials from the intelligence agencies. Investigators, the officials said, have become increasingly confident, based on the evidence they have uncovered, that Russia’s direct goal is not to support the election of Mr. Trump, as many Democrats have asserted, but rather to disrupt the integrity of the political system and undermine America’s standing in the world more broadly.
The hacking, they said, reflected an intensification of spy-versus-spy operations that never entirely abated after the Cold War but that have become more aggressive in recent years as relations with Mr. Putin’s Russia have soured.
A senior intelligence official, who like the others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a continuing national security investigation, said the Russians had become adept at exploiting computer vulnerabilities created by the relative openness of and reliance on the internet. Election officials in several states have reported what appeared to be cyberintrusions from Russia, and while many doubt that an Election Day hack (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/us/politics/sowing-doubt-is-seen-as-prime-danger-in-hacking-voting-system.html) could alter the outcome of the election, the F.B.I. agencies across the government are on alert for potential disruptions that could wreak havoc with the voting process itself.
pgardn
11-01-2016, 03:24 PM
Tax returns.
Chillen
11-01-2016, 03:50 PM
On November 8th we will see if people in this country are stupid enough to elect Mrs. Clinton. Trump isn't the savior he wants us to believe, but he wants to change things for the good, enough is enough people take a stand. The dems just want the power and will continue to drag this country down the tube with socialism. Hillary is corrupt and a crook, a vote for her is a vote for the continuing demise of our great nation. All the dems care about is having power over us, not the best interests of the American people! Vote for Trump, Gary Johnson, anyone but Clinton!
Axl Rose
11-01-2016, 03:57 PM
Ohio, I have always felt was going for Trump all along.
She's in great shape everywhere else though. She's even getting bonuses in Arizona and North Carolina.
Polls do not indicate she's struglling in her so called firewalls.
Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado, Wisconsin and New Hampshire are all almost a Clinton lock.
Honestly, Florida would be like a gift. She wants it but really doesn't need it if these states hold up.
Lmao North Carolina meme. Nate shillver just turned it red on polls plus
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 03:59 PM
Trump isn't the savior he wants us to believe, but he wants to change things for the good, enough is enough people take a stand.
:lmao What a retard
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 04:25 PM
Ohio, I have always felt was going for Trump all along.
She's in great shape everywhere else though. She's even getting bonuses in Arizona and North Carolina.
Polls do not indicate she's struglling in her so called firewalls.
Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado, Wisconsin and New Hampshire are all almost a Clinton lock.
Honestly, Florida would be like a gift. She wants it but really doesn't need it if these states hold up.
There’s a lot of uncertainty at the state level, especially in states that haven’t gotten much polling. You know what the three most recent polls in Colorado (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/colorado/) say? Clinton +1 (http://20an0w2e66jla4rfm1idisr1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ABC_Press_Release-103016.pdf), Clinton +3 (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-battleground-poll-partisans-divide-on-news-of-fbi-emails/), Clinton +4 (https://www.surveymonkey.com/elections/map?poll=sm-lv-cps).
Now, those aren’t great polls. But people are acting like Clinton has leads of 6-8 points everywhere in her firewall. She doesn’t, and there are really only one or two high-quality polls in a lot of these states and basically none in others.
florige
11-01-2016, 04:25 PM
Lmao North Carolina meme. Nate shillver just turned it red on polls plus
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
No he didn't.
florige
11-01-2016, 04:29 PM
Polls tighten always. They did the last two election cycles. Yesterday a poll came out that had Hillary up 6 points in Alaska and today it instantly flipped back to Trump. The media is going to continue to troll the public up until next Tuesday. The polls had stayed somewhat true to their numbers before and after the whole health/deplorable thing. Now the week before the election they can't get a grip on who's really polling where. Ok...:rolleyes:lol
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 04:40 PM
The internet freaks out after FBI posts old Clinton-related case files one week before the election
The FBI has once again raised some eyebrows by seemingly injecting itself into the 2016 election — although it’s far from clear at this point whether this particular incident was intentional.
On Tuesday afternoon, the FBI Records Vault Twitter account posted a link to files related to Bill Clinton’s pardoning of Marc Rich on his way out of office in 2001. The FBI investigated the pardoning last decade, but closed the case in 2005 without any charges being filed.
Jaclyn Friedman (https://twitter.com/jaclynf)
(https://twitter.com/jaclynf)✔@jaclynf (https://twitter.com/jaclynf)
WTF, @FBIRecordsVault (https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault)? No wrongdoing was found in this ancient case. Why on earth would you release this a week before the election?
Elizabeth Bruenig (https://twitter.com/ebruenig)
(https://twitter.com/ebruenig)✔@ebruenig (https://twitter.com/ebruenig)
.@FBIRecordsVault (https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault) please release the records detailing how this tweet was conceived of
Suzanne @Tumultuous (https://twitter.com/Tumultuous)
@FBIRecordsVault (https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault) you don't even care about hiding your bias anymore, do you?
debra nyberg haza @djhaza (https://twitter.com/djhaza)
@FBIRecordsVault (https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault) you are meddling in an election. I hope it's proven you're colluding with the republicans.
Shosha-na(sty woman) @shoshpd (https://twitter.com/shoshpd)
@FBIRecordsVault (https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault) why are you releasing these records from an investigation closed in 2005 a week before the election?
the timing of the release is sure to raise some eyebrows — as Talking Points Memo notes (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fbi-twitter-link-william-clinton-foundation-marc-rich), the FBI Records Vault account hadn’t been active for a long time before mysteriously coming back online this past Sunday.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/the-internet-freaks-out-after-fbi-posts-old-clinton-related-case-files-one-week-before-the-election/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29Suzanne @Tumultuous (https://twitter.com/Tumultuous)
gambit1990
11-01-2016, 04:40 PM
trump as president would be fucking scary.
not even talking about what he would pass... but think about all the slimy people he'd add to the government.
can't even imagine, don't want to...
SnakeBoy
11-01-2016, 04:41 PM
Still don't see a realistic way for Trump to win but it is looking like he might outperform Romney and McCain in electoral votes, both who are not supporting Trump. Should make for some interesting post election rebellion in the GOP.
gambit1990
11-01-2016, 04:42 PM
trump would manage to add people even worse than than current republicans in congress.
Axl Rose
11-01-2016, 04:46 PM
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
No he didn't.im looking at it right now yes he did. I said polls plus you have to change it at the bottom
florige
11-01-2016, 04:51 PM
im looking at it right now yes he did. I said polls plus you have to change it at the bottom
Oh I was reading the polls only format.
florige
11-01-2016, 04:54 PM
Still don't see a realistic way for Trump to win but it is looking like he might outperform Romney and McCain in electoral votes, both who are not supporting Trump. Should make for some interesting post election rebellion in the GOP.
He's going to have to flip a blue state plain and simple.
Axl Rose
11-01-2016, 04:57 PM
He's going to have to flip a blue state plain and simple.
Poll just came out showing trump +1 in pa. He's within 4 in a multitude of states. Big video dropping tomorrow by okeefe
florige
11-01-2016, 05:08 PM
Poll just came out showing trump +1 in pa. He's within 4 in a multitude of states. Big video dropping tomorrow by okeefe
Hillary was up 6 yesterday in a Alaska poll and today it switched right back to Trump. These polls are going to fluctuate every day probably until next Tuesday. And wasn't Okeefe supposed to had dropped some other damning video implicating Hillary a few weeks back but never did?
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 05:23 PM
Someone fed the NYT information to quickly kill emerging Trump/Russia stories ... was it Comey? (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/1/1589659/-Someone-fed-the-NYT-information-to-quickly-kill-emerging-Trump-Russia-stories-was-it-Comey)
On Monday evening, two potentially Category 5 stories broke concerning Donald Trump and his many ties to Russia. At 5:36 PM, Slate was up with an analysis of a server in Trump Tower that seemed to be directly, and exclusively, connected to an oligarch-controlled bank in Russia (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_ communicating_with_russia.html).
It dawned on the researchers that this wasn’t an attack, but a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank.
At 7:52 PM, Mother Jones was up with a reveal from a former spy who claimed to have seriously shocking information. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump)
"Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance."
But by 9:14 PM, the New York Times was ready not only to dismiss the Russian connection to Trump, but paint the Russian hacking of Democratic emails—and only Democratic emails—as a random prank (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html).
Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.
And just like that, stories that might have dominated the morning news were strangled in their crib. But … by who? Who gave the Times the very timely information it needed to attack the Trump/Russia connection at just the right moment?
On Friday, as the FBI was issuing a letter saying that they were looking into some emails that might possibly be related to the earlier investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server, the New York Times found this worthy of every single column of the front page. On Monday, the information that there was a broad, ongoing investigation into connections between the Trump campaign and the Russian government rated a single article. On page A21. It became the instant “See? Nothing going on” that every Trump devotee needed to wave at the nearest doubter.
But just how did that article come to so definitively dismiss the issue (https://thinkprogress.org/the-new-york-times-very-fishy-article-about-trump-and-russia-979914ac9a86#.3ybya0ai2) while presenting no evidence?
‘Someone inside the government leaked this information to the New York Times. Did James Comey authorize this leak?’
The New York Times attributes the leaks about the FBI’s thinking to “[l]aw enforcement officials,” which suggests — but does not definitively establish — that the leaks came from the FBI. Martin says this raises the question as to whether Comey himself authorized the leak. If he did, it could be evidence that he is seeking to influence the election through selective leaks favorable to Trump.
And what about that jaw-dropping conclusion that the Russian interference with only Democratic emails, and the release of information timed to disrupt Hillary Clinton’s campaign, was somehow not intended to slant the election toward Trump?
An actual conclusion would involve, according to Martin, the participation of a variety of intelligence agencies under the supervision of the Director of National Intelligence.
In particular, the investigators would need to look at the NSA intercepts of Russian communications and have those intercepts analyzed by a specialist in Russian intelligence.
Have the “investigators” speaking to the New York Times reviewed that crucial intelligence? We don’t know.
This conclusion isn’t just amazing, it’s genuinely unbelievable. “Yes, I did hit only Cubs players with a bat as they walked past and ignore the Cleveland players, but I was only trying to mess with the game, not influence the outcome.”
There’s no situation in which the lopsided intrusion of Russia would be seen as the kind of chaotic-neutral action the Times story suggests.
As has become their practice of late, the New York Times made several subtle modifications to the story after it first appeared.
The New York Times, meanwhile, quietly altered their story on Monday night adding the caveat “conclusive or direct” to a sentence that previously read “law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government.”
The original statement was clearly untrue. The revised statement … who knows? Given the utterly banal description of the Times’ unrevealed sources, it’s impossible to place any faith in the information.
What is clear is that the New York Times has some direct connection to sources that are highly interested in killing off Trump/Russia stories — and doing so very promptly.
Who is behind that connection? That would be a good story.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/01/1589659/-Someone-fed-the-NYT-information-to-quickly-kill-emerging-Trump-Russia-stories-was-it-Comey?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29
CosmicCowboy
11-01-2016, 05:25 PM
Now I've seen it all.
Boo accusing the New York Times of being in the tank for Trump...:lmao
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 05:40 PM
:rollin
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 05:44 PM
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
No he didn't.
It is pink in the polls plus forecast where Silver factors in demographics as well as polls.
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 05:44 PM
Big video dropping tomorrow by okeefe
:lmao
florige
11-01-2016, 05:48 PM
It is pink in the polls plus forecast where Silver factors in demographics as well as polls.
Yeah I saw that.
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 05:49 PM
HUMA ABEDIN NEVER HAD SECURITY CLEARANCE & SECRETARY CLINTON ALLOWED HER UN-AUTHORIZED ACCESS
http://hillaryforpresident.com/huma-abedin/
Huma Abedin Never Had Security Clearance & Secretary Clinton Allowed Her Un-authorized Access (http://hillaryforpresident.com/huma-abedin/)
November 1, 2016 Dr. Larry Kawa
* In documents disclosed to Citizen Researcher Dr. Larry Kawa by the US State Department, Huma Abedin signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement (SF-312) for classified information under penalty of perjury.
* In the agreement Abedin is advised against "negligent handling of classified information” could cause "irreparable injury” to the United States.
* In addition Abedin agrees that "unauthorized disclosure of classified information by me” could result in the violation of several intelligence and security laws, including the espionage act.
* Disclosure of classified information to Anthony Weiner through "negligent handling of classified information” would be a violation of this agreement, and a felony. Aiding and Abetting Huma Abedin to commit this crime or cover it up would also be a felony.
* The Non-Disclosure & the Separation Agreement also reveal significant deficiencies at the State Department as several sections were never counter signed by the State Department.
* The Separation Statement (OF-109) affirmatively states that she has returned all classified material to the State Department and does not have access to any classified information.
* The Anthony Weiner email scandal revealed that Huma Abedin still had access to classified information on her Yahoo! account, which was accessed from Weiner’s laptop.
* In other document releases, it was revealed that Hillary Rodham Clinton typically sent classified emails to Huma Abedin’s unsecure Yahoo! account to be printed. This would be a felony on the part of Hillary Rodham Clinton for illegally transferring classified documents through an insecure system, ultimately exposing them to individuals who did not have security clearance and potentially exposing them to hostile actors.
* On Sept. 22 2016, according to CNN and other sources, more than 500 million Yahoo! accounts were hacked. Hackers likely gained access to Huma Abedin’s Yahoo account.
* This raises the question that in addition to classified information existing electronically within Clinton servers, Huma Abedin has printed files of classified information that have yet to be accounted for. Such as revelation would require that a search warrant be issued for her home and business to search for classified material.
Statement by Dr. Larry Kawa
Initial access to these documents was sent to me by deputy assistant secretary of state Margaret Grafeld after my mail was tampered with in regards to a FOIA request I did for Hillary Clinton separation statement. There is still an open Senate investigation regarding a Mail tampering charge.
The first document known as an SF – 312 is a nondisclosure agreement for classified information. Huma Abedin signed onto the binding terms and conditions under threat of perjury. Please note condition number seven makes her potentially guilty under the espionage act… 18 USC 793 and 1924. She did not sign onto the required line swearing that she had a security briefing. That is a necessary condition in order to have top secret security clearance, a condition which was never met.
http://www.archives.gov/isoo/training/standard-form-312.html
She also was not accepted under the acceptance line since she was never briefed. The SF-312 is a document that every state employee signs on the on ramp as they begin their tenure at the state department.
The OF – 109 separation statement is a document they sign up on the departure to be sure that security clearance has been cut off. The state department under the watch of the Obama administration is also supposed to have a DS – 1904 form signed from someone at the state department to ensure that classified access has been cut off. The DS – 1904 form apparently was never signed in the state department has been unable to produce. Such is the case with many if not most of their employees.
The separation statement for Abedin reflects that she had knowledge that she swore under the threat of perjury that she not only had her classified access cut off but that she would not communicate or transmit any data to any person without security clearance, coincidentally she didn’t have security clearance herself. Ever.
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 06:14 PM
Now I've seen it all.
Boo accusing the New York Times of being in the tank for Trump...:lmao
CosmicParasite, I'm not accusing NYT of anything.
However, the NYT spews the Fed govt/establishment line, eg invading Iraq for BigOil, systematically, as its part of the establishment.
Of course, you have no opinion on where, how, why the NYT shut down the Trash-Russia speculation within a few hours.
NYT wanting to stay friendly with, have access to FBI, CIA, NSA? absolutely.
Winehole23
11-01-2016, 06:39 PM
politicians like Hillary have not made it a law to release tax returns
BLAME THEM NOT TRUMPit's not legally required because it was a norm that everyone acceded to -- until now.
Why should there be a law to force Trump to do what all other politicians at the national level do voluntarily?
Winehole23
11-01-2016, 06:41 PM
Why do all politicians have to show their hand, except Donald Trump?
clambake
11-01-2016, 06:42 PM
Why do all politicians have to show their hand, except Donald Trump?
because he's not a politician, silly.
Winehole23
11-01-2016, 06:44 PM
Bullshit. That ship sailed. He's running for president.
clambake
11-01-2016, 06:46 PM
i was just trying to give you their typical response.
ducks
11-01-2016, 06:53 PM
it's not legally required because it was a norm that everyone acceded to -- until now.
Why should there be a law to force Trump to do what all other politicians at the national level do voluntarily?
norm people wear seatbelts but there is a law
ducks
11-01-2016, 06:55 PM
Why do all politicians have to show their hand, except Donald Trump?
he showed more fiscal papers then anyone else
fbi said he has no criminal ties to russie
he is under audit if he was doing illegal stuff he would have been in jail because his name is not clinton
baseline bum
11-01-2016, 06:55 PM
he showed more fiscal papers then anyone else
:lmao
Winehole23
11-01-2016, 07:01 PM
norm people wear seatbelts but there is a lawshowing tax returns is a political norm because people think it's important to know a candidates vested interests when they're seeking high office.
Public safety regulation doesn't really compare.
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 07:18 PM
BREAKING NEWS: FBI Dir. Comey Reveals Contents of New Emails Exchanged Between HRC and Abedin (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/28/1588110/-BREAKING-NEWS-FBI-Dir-Comey-Reveals-Contents-of-New-Emails-Exchanged-Between-HRC-and-Abedin)
Late this afternoon, under pressure from Congress and other sources, FBI Director James Comey revealed the contents of one of the confidential emails recently unearthed on a laptop shared by Anthony Weiner and his wife Huma Abedin.
Here it is:
http://images.dailykos.com/images/268705/large/ohdear.gif?1467247177
Comey said, “The FBI is working around the clock to determine the origin and meaning of this so-called ‘cat jiff’. As of now, we haven’t yet determined whether emailing this jiff violates any federal laws or regulations.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/28/1588110/-BREAKING-NEWS-FBI-Dir-Comey-Reveals-Contents-of-New-Emails-Exchanged-Between-HRC-and-Abedin
ducks
11-01-2016, 07:21 PM
BREAKING NEWS: FBI Dir. Comey Reveals Contents of New Emails Exchanged Between HRC and Abedin (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/28/1588110/-BREAKING-NEWS-FBI-Dir-Comey-Reveals-Contents-of-New-Emails-Exchanged-Between-HRC-and-Abedin)
Late this afternoon, under pressure from Congress and other sources, FBI Director James Comey revealed the contents of one of the confidential emails recently unearthed on a laptop shared by Anthony Weiner and his wife Huma Abedin.
Here it is:
http://images.dailykos.com/images/268705/large/ohdear.gif?1467247177
Comey said, “The FBI is working around the clock to determine the origin and meaning of this so-called ‘cat jiff’. As of now, we haven’t yet determined whether emailing this jiff violates any federal laws or regulations.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/28/1588110/-BREAKING-NEWS-FBI-Dir-Comey-Reveals-Contents-of-New-Emails-Exchanged-Between-HRC-and-Abedin
Friday Oct 28, 2016 · 5:58 PM PDT
@sd_anon all my posts contain trace amounts of snark
old news
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 07:24 PM
It takes zero information to start the Clinton 'scandal' machine, and the machine has no brakes (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/31/1589191/-It-takes-zero-information-to-start-the-Clinton-scandal-machine-and-the-machine-has-no-brakes)
You start with the assumption that Hillary Clinton is corrupt. …
And if she's corrupt, then we definitely need to investigate her.
Virtually everything she does is suspect.
Any mistake she makes can't simply be an accident or a lapse in judgment; there must be some criminal intent behind it.
It doesn't matter how many millions of taxpayer dollars or thousands of man-hours it takes in FBI investigations and congressional hearings.
No price is too high.
And when you investigate endlessly, you find evidence. ...
And with all that suspicious evidence, the conclusion is clear: Hillary Clinton is corrupt.
And if she's corrupt, we have to investigate her.
And if we investigate her, we'll uncover evidence.
And if we find evidence, it must be suspicious.
So she must be corrupt.
So we have to investigate her.
How much information did the FBI release on Friday related to Hillary Clinton? None.
How much media energy did it unleash? Enough to shove the planet out of orbit.
What will it take to do it again? Nothing at all.
With zero information about what is in those e-mails,
zero information about any connection to Clinton,
zero new allegations of wrongdoing,
the Times and much of the media treated this story with the kind of wall-to-wall coverage usually reserved for the first moon landing.
As I’m writing, CNN is on telling me that
“the emails are still voters’ highest concern.” :lol AMERICA IS SO FUCKED UP.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/31/1589191/-It-takes-zero-information-to-start-the-Clinton-scandal-machine-and-the-machine-has-no-brakes?detail=email&link_id=13&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-krugman-nails-it-with-a-tweetstorm&email_referrer=krugman-nails-it-with-a-tweetstorm&email_subject=krugman-nails-it-with-a-tweetstorm
CosmicCowboy
11-01-2016, 07:56 PM
dailykos
yawn
TheSanityAnnex
11-01-2016, 08:29 PM
Score another point for FBIanon
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/hillary-r.-clinton-part-01-of-04/view
"US Intelligence Community Agencies determined 81 email chains, Which FBI investigation determined were transmitted and stored on Clinton's UNCLASSIFIED personal server systems, contained classified information ranging from CONFIDENTIAL to TOP SECRET/SPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAM levels at the time they were sent between 2009 - 2013. USCI agencies determined that 68 email chains remain classified.
another 2000 emails marked Confidential were transmitted and stored on at least two of Clinton server systems.
The national poll means shit, this election is won by taking 270 in the electoral college. Clinton getting more votes in red states she will still lose doesn't help her win the presidency. She is losing ground in Florida and Ohio, either of which would have won her the election a few days ago.
This just came in on MSNBC with Lawrence O'donnel..
New survey in Florida of early voting has Hillary leading Trump 48 to 40%.
28% are crossover votes.
I couldn't fine it on their actual site so because this just came in but..bare with me..dailykos has already posted it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/1/1589871/-HUGE-breaking-news-tomorrow-for-FLA-28-of-GOP-early-voters-surveyed-voted-Clinton
We'll see if this is true by tomorrow.
boutons_deux
11-01-2016, 09:54 PM
dailykos
yawn
that articles describes EXACTLY how the Repugs LIE and SLANDER, since they can't run on policies or record.
boutons_deux
11-02-2016, 01:50 PM
COMEY SAYS F.B.I. INVESTIGATING HILLARY’S TIES TO BILL CLINTON
WASHINGTON — Dropping a bombshell less than a week before the Presidential election, the F.B.I. Director James Comey revealed on Wednesday that the Bureau was investigating Hillary Clinton’s ties to Bill Clinton.
The announcement, which Comey made in a letter to members of Congress, provoked immediate howls of protest from Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta.
“To say that they are investigating so-called ties between Hillary and Bill Clinton while offering no specifics about what those ties might be is unconscionable this close to an election,” Podesta told CNN.
Comey, however, stood his ground, telling reporters that there was no way the F.B.I. could divulge the results of its Clinton-Clinton probe before Election Day.
“We have reason to believe that the ties between these two individuals go back to the nineteen-seventies,” he said. “This is going to take some time.”
On the campaign trail, Donald Trump praised Comey, whom he called “my favorite person in the world right now.”
http://www.newyorker.com/contributors/andy-borowitz (http://www.newyorker.com/contributors/andy-borowitz)
tlongII
11-02-2016, 02:03 PM
showing tax returns is a political norm because people think it's important to know a candidates vested interests when they're seeking high office.
Public safety regulation doesn't really compare.
There is no requirement for a politician to release his/her tax return.
boutons_deux
11-02-2016, 03:16 PM
There is no requirement for a politician to release his/her tax return.
:lol
When you don't, like Bishop Gekko and Trash, you're hiding something, very probably ILLEGAL, in both cases.
What little that has been found about Trash's gaming the tax system proves he's a horrible, anti-American asshole.
btw, it seems Trash won't have to pay a penny in personal income tax for the rest of his life. His tax cuts on the wealthy would save his family $4B.
tlongII
11-02-2016, 03:49 PM
:lol
When you don't, like Bishop Gekko and Trash, you're hiding something, very probably ILLEGAL, in both cases.
What little that has been found about Trash's gaming the tax system proves he's a horrible, anti-American asshole.
btw, it seems Trash won't have to pay a penny in personal income tax for the rest of his life. His tax cuts on the wealthy would save his family $4B.
You can speculate all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you aren't required to disclose your tax return.
spurraider21
11-02-2016, 04:03 PM
there's also no requirement not to disclose tax returns just because they're under audit. it is suspicious, though...
Spurminator
11-02-2016, 04:14 PM
#transparency
#secrecy
#fulldisclosure
#conflictofinterest
#crookedhillary
#norequirementtoreleasereturns
gambit1990
11-02-2016, 04:14 PM
hillary's chance of winning gets smaller every time i check it.
boutons_deux
11-02-2016, 05:31 PM
FBI investigation fails to find evidence, but relies on alt-right propaganda (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/2/1590022/-FBI-investigation-fails-to-find-evidence-but-relies-on-alt-right-propaganda)
Now, as if Comey’s bludgeoning the election (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/28/1587886/-James-Comey-throws-bomb-into-election-Trump-handles-it-with-expected-levels-of-grace-and-dignity) wasn’t bad enough, it turns out that when it comes to looking into the Clinton Foundation, the FBI hasn’t been able to produce evidence of wrongdoing. But that isn’t an issue. Because the FBI can just latch onto right-wing conspiracy theories (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/politics/fbi-james-comey-hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html?_r=0).
The investigation, based in New York, had not developed much evidence and was based mostly on information that had surfaced in news stories and the book “Clinton Cash,” according to several law enforcement officials briefed on the case. :lol
The author of the book Clinton Cash has a long history of false narratives (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/21/1379052/-Author-of-new-anti-Clinton-book-has-a-long-record-of-errors-and-falsehoods)belted together out of purposely distorted statistics, of basing his reports on proven hoaxes (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/21/1379269/-New-anti-Hillary-book-relies-on-hoax-to-back-up-Keystone-XL-accusations), and of making baseless accusations (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/27/1380600/--Clinton-Cash-author-can-t-even-defend-his-wild-claims-on-Fox-News) that he can’t back up. Almost as soon as the work hit the stands, it was shown to be full of errors and distortions. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/29/1381186/-No-surprise-here-Errors-surfacing-in-Clinton-hit-piece)The author even indulged in the alt-right’s favorite theory that the Clintons secretly kill (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/05/1382635/--Clinton-Cash-author-dabbles-in-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory)their enemies.
And yet, the book was greeted like a revelation by the New York Times, which indulged in wild speculation (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/23/1379692/-It-takes-ten-paragraphs-before-New-York-Times-mentions-its-latest-Clinton-hit-piece-is-speculation) on top of the book’s proven false foundation, and which didn’t bother to mention when sections of the book they talked up (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/01/1381734/-Where-are-the-New-York-Times-and-Washington-Post-reports-on-Clinton-Cash-errors)turned out to be so wrong that the publisher actually made changes to the book (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/14/1384687/-It-s-a-start-Anti-Clinton-book-gets-7-8-factual-corrections) to “correct” exactly those parts. In defending the book,
the publisher of the Times made one of the great admissions of the season. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/13/1431975/-NYT-We-take-information-from-all-kinds-of-crackpots-That-s-called-reporting)
"We take information from all kinds of crackpots. That's called reporting."
He might have said “all kinds of crackpots”—so long as they’re attacking the Clintons. That appears to be the standard for the New York Times.
And sadly, the same appears to be true for the FBI.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/2/1590022/-FBI-investigation-fails-to-find-evidence-but-relies-on-alt-right-propaganda?detail=email&link_id=2&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-another-donald-trump-recording-emerges-and-this-time-its-a-mob-connection&email_referrer=another-donald-trump-recording-emerges-and-this-time-its-a-mob-connection&email_subject=another-donald-trump-recording-emerges-and-this-time-its-a-mob-connection
:lol
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 06:43 PM
FBI investigation fails to find evidence, but relies on alt-right propaganda (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/2/1590022/-FBI-investigation-fails-to-find-evidence-but-relies-on-alt-right-propaganda)
Now, as if Comey’s bludgeoning the election (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/28/1587886/-James-Comey-throws-bomb-into-election-Trump-handles-it-with-expected-levels-of-grace-and-dignity) wasn’t bad enough, it turns out that when it comes to looking into the Clinton Foundation, the FBI hasn’t been able to produce evidence of wrongdoing. But that isn’t an issue. Because the FBI can just latch onto right-wing conspiracy theories (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/politics/fbi-james-comey-hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html?_r=0).
The investigation, based in New York, had not developed much evidence and was based mostly on information that had surfaced in news stories and the book “Clinton Cash,” according to several law enforcement officials briefed on the case. :lol
The author of the book Clinton Cash has a long history of false narratives (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/21/1379052/-Author-of-new-anti-Clinton-book-has-a-long-record-of-errors-and-falsehoods)belted together out of purposely distorted statistics, of basing his reports on proven hoaxes (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/21/1379269/-New-anti-Hillary-book-relies-on-hoax-to-back-up-Keystone-XL-accusations), and of making baseless accusations (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/27/1380600/--Clinton-Cash-author-can-t-even-defend-his-wild-claims-on-Fox-News) that he can’t back up. Almost as soon as the work hit the stands, it was shown to be full of errors and distortions. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/29/1381186/-No-surprise-here-Errors-surfacing-in-Clinton-hit-piece)The author even indulged in the alt-right’s favorite theory that the Clintons secretly kill (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/05/1382635/--Clinton-Cash-author-dabbles-in-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory)their enemies.
And yet, the book was greeted like a revelation by the New York Times, which indulged in wild speculation (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/23/1379692/-It-takes-ten-paragraphs-before-New-York-Times-mentions-its-latest-Clinton-hit-piece-is-speculation) on top of the book’s proven false foundation, and which didn’t bother to mention when sections of the book they talked up (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/01/1381734/-Where-are-the-New-York-Times-and-Washington-Post-reports-on-Clinton-Cash-errors)turned out to be so wrong that the publisher actually made changes to the book (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/14/1384687/-It-s-a-start-Anti-Clinton-book-gets-7-8-factual-corrections) to “correct” exactly those parts. In defending the book,
the publisher of the Times made one of the great admissions of the season. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/13/1431975/-NYT-We-take-information-from-all-kinds-of-crackpots-That-s-called-reporting)
"We take information from all kinds of crackpots. That's called reporting."
He might have said “all kinds of crackpots”—so long as they’re attacking the Clintons. That appears to be the standard for the New York Times.
And sadly, the same appears to be true for the FBI.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/2/1590022/-FBI-investigation-fails-to-find-evidence-but-relies-on-alt-right-propaganda?detail=email&link_id=2&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-another-donald-trump-recording-emerges-and-this-time-its-a-mob-connection&email_referrer=another-donald-trump-recording-emerges-and-this-time-its-a-mob-connection&email_subject=another-donald-trump-recording-emerges-and-this-time-its-a-mob-connection
:lol
FOX claims FBI source said 99% chance Clinton server hacked by at least 5 foreign countries
https://mobile.twitter.com/Darren32895836/status/793956833601781760/video/1
boutons_deux
11-02-2016, 07:09 PM
FOX claims FBI source said 99% chance Clinton server hacked by at least 5 foreign countries
https://mobile.twitter.com/Darren32895836/status/793956833601781760/video/1
Where is her crime?
Other officials have had their email accounts cracked, but Repugs don't care
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 07:21 PM
Where is her crime?
Other officials have had their email accounts cracked, but Repugs don't care
Does CTR pay you by the hour or by the post?
DA75lzrXSN8
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 07:27 PM
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I said sources described an "avalanche of evidence" in case & barring obstruction they'd likely continue 2 push to try for an indictment" https://twitter.com/lynnies2/status/793958830895988736 (https://t.co/2TjzxdJod1) …
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 07:30 PM
D963cCyt8Uw
hopefully some of you live in states where you are allowed to change your early vote
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 07:33 PM
ckktb_2_nkY
rough day for some, let's lighten the mood
ElNono
11-02-2016, 07:38 PM
hopefully some of you live in states where you are allowed to change your early vote
why would anybody do that?
Axl Rose
11-02-2016, 08:00 PM
why would anybody do that?
Because they were living under a rock and didn't know Hillary was this big of a crook
Winehole23
11-02-2016, 09:05 PM
There is no requirement for a politician to release his/her tax return.Yep. Donald Trump broke the norm that presidential candidates disclose their taxes, so we can see what their vested interests are.
It seems not an unreasonable expectation for a person seeking high office to abide by, and indeed it was a norm that the entire political class has observed for about 50 years.
Does the expectation seem misguided to you, tlongII? Shouldn't candidates seeking political power at the national level disclose their financial interests?
Winehole23
11-02-2016, 09:09 PM
If Donald Trump feels free to set aside this norm, once in power, what other norms will he feel free to set aside?
This blithe setting aside of norms is not consequence free.
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 09:12 PM
Trying to talk about tax returns in the middle of this shitstorm :rollin
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 09:14 PM
You'll for sure see what Hillary's vested interests are soon :rollin
Winehole23
11-02-2016, 09:17 PM
Trying to talk about tax returns in the middle of this shitstorm :rollinRelates to transparency.
HRC is the most intensively scrutinized candidate ever. Has been since 2012. Loads of stuff out there, multiple investigations, multiple leaks, campaign emails hacked, all of it out there for the world to see, still no smoking gun, still no indictments.
Donald Trump hides his taxes.
Bit of a double standard, don't you think?
Winehole23
11-02-2016, 09:18 PM
You'll for sure see what Hillary's vested interests are soon :rollinHRC disclosed her taxes. Why shouldn't Trump show his hand too?
CosmicCowboy
11-02-2016, 09:28 PM
The FBI is apparently all over Hillary's pay to play. I honestly thought it would never happen.
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 09:30 PM
Relates to transparency.
HRC is the most intensively scrutinized candidate ever. Has been since 2012. Loads of stuff out there, multiple investigations, multiple leaks, campaign emails hacked, all of it out there for the world to see, still no smoking gun, still no indictments.
Donald Trump hides his taxes.
Bit of a double standard, don't you think?
I always thought you were fairly nuetral until this post.
TheSanityAnnex
11-02-2016, 09:31 PM
CNN getting in on the action
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/politics/peter-kadzik-john-podesta-wikileaks/index.html
hater
11-02-2016, 09:34 PM
got dayum
this might happen fellas :lol
been preaching about this snake since June :lol
ducks
11-02-2016, 10:46 PM
Hampton University Poll Shows Trump Leads Virginia
tlongII
11-02-2016, 11:21 PM
Yep. Donald Trump broke the norm that presidential candidates disclose their taxes, so we can see what their vested interests are.
It seems not an unreasonable expectation for a person seeking high office to abide by, and indeed it was a norm that the entire political class has observed for about 50 years.
Does the expectation seem misguided to you, tlongII? Shouldn't candidates seeking political power at the national level disclose their financial interests?
It's not a requirement.
ElNono
11-02-2016, 11:21 PM
Because they were living under a rock and didn't know Hillary was this big of a crook
really? people didn't know? come on, son... people does know, they just feel "she's not Trump" is a good enough reason to cast a vote for her.
ElNono
11-02-2016, 11:23 PM
I always thought you were fairly nuetral until this post.
He's not wrong though. You probably know more about Shillary at this point than your own cousin. :lol
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:39 AM
I always thought you were fairly nuetral until this post.It's telling you think it's unfair -- and have no reply -when the transparency expectation is turned around on Trump.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:41 AM
And it's absolutely true there's a double standard as to disclosure. Expectations fall way harder on HRC than Trump.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:44 AM
It's not a requirement.Heard you the first time.
What's your take on Donald ducking disclosure of his finances?
Don't you think voters deserve to know about Trump what they've known about every other candidate in the last 50 years?
really? people didn't know? come on, son... people does know, they just feel "she's not Trump" is a good enough reason to cast a vote for her.
Can you confirm axl rose as TSA tbh? :lol
Unless he's 12 there is no way people dont know who the Clintons are and what they're all about. Money and power with a touch of skirting the grey area when it comes to what's illegal and what they can get away with.
In teh other hand, you got Trump, someone who is worse and is not subtle in the way he handles his own business. No idea how there is not a video of him doing something highly illegal. Luck is a lady in the case of Trump.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:52 AM
The FBI is apparently all over Hillary's pay to play. I honestly thought it would never happen.Lot of noise out there, hard to tell how it will turn out.
Disgruntled agents leaking to the press bodes ill for eventual indictment and reflects ill on the FBI, tbh.
CosmicCowboy
11-03-2016, 08:03 AM
Lot of noise out there, hard to tell how it will turn out.
Disgruntled agents leaking to the press bodes ill for eventual indictment and reflects ill on the FBI, tbh.
With a corrupt Justice department it's their only way to build public sentiment for action.
boutons_deux
11-03-2016, 08:06 AM
CosmicParasite selectively picking on Hillary's pay-to-play when all three branches are totally corrupt pay-to-play.
With a corrupt Justice department it's their only way to build public sentiment for action.
The FBI themselves are breaking their own rules. Pot meet kettle.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:11 AM
the FBI leaking information selectively to the public to spark public pressure, what could go wrong?
do you think law enforcement should let itself be guided by popular pressure/outrage?
CosmicCowboy
11-03-2016, 08:18 AM
the FBI leaking information selectively to the public to spark public pressure, what could go wrong?
do you think law enforcement should let itself be guided by popular pressure/outrage?
:lmao
like it hasn't always been guided by popular pressure and political expediency.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:29 AM
if the US justice system has always been corrupt, as you seem to be suggesting, why should there be any hurry to break protocol now?
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 09:35 AM
It's telling you think it's unfair -- and have no reply -when the transparency expectation is turned around on Trump.
Your comparison between Trump not releasing his taxes and the lengths Clinton went to hide everything was so absurd it needed no reply.
boutons_deux
11-03-2016, 09:39 AM
Your comparison between Trump not releasing his taxes and the lengths Clinton went to hide everything was so absurd it needed no reply.
:lol Trash knows he can murder somebody and still be the candidate, but he knows if he releases his criminal tax records, he'd be dead.
CosmicCowboy
11-03-2016, 09:42 AM
if the US justice system has always been corrupt, as you seem to be suggesting, why should there be any hurry to break protocol now?
There is a big difference between law enforcement being guided by political pressure and expediency (war on drugs, crack vs. coke sentences, hate crimes, cakes for gays, etc.) than the Justice department intentionally not pursuing actual crime for political reasons.
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 09:44 AM
With a corrupt Justice department it's their only way to build public sentiment for action.
Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. The DOJ was providing information and cover to Clinton during the investigation. What these FBI agents are doing now is truly patriotic.
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 10:36 AM
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43555
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd507/Roadhawk1/43BE1D22-73D6-4CB3-A352-9F198A78A4DB.png (http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd507/Roadhawk1/43BE1D22-73D6-4CB3-A352-9F198A78A4DB.png)
http://i.imgur.com/5mPQjR9.gif (http://i.imgur.com/5mPQjR9.gif)
boutons_deux
11-03-2016, 10:38 AM
where is the crime?
TSA is a fan girl drooling over a teen fanzine.
TSA is a fan girl drooling over a teen fanzine.
:lol boutons with a rare hit.
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 02:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794257681901096960
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/512138307870785536/Fe00yVS2_reasonably_small.png (https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks)
WikiLeaks– http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhBQAGAIAAAP///////yH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAAFAAYAAAIFjI+pawUAOw==Verified account @wikileaks (https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks)
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDQAMAIAAAP///////yH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAANAAwAAAILjI+py+0Po5y0ngIAOw==
Stay tune for our FBI-DoJ #PodestaEmail (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/PodestaEmail?src=hash) special circa 4pm EST.
tlongII
11-03-2016, 02:54 PM
Heard you the first time.
What's your take on Donald ducking disclosure of his finances?
Don't you think voters deserve to know about Trump what they've known about every other candidate in the last 50 years?
Doesn't matter what I think. It's not a requirement.
boutons_deux
11-03-2016, 02:59 PM
Doesn't matter what I think. It's not a requirement.
“If I decide to run for office, I’ll produce my tax returns, absolutely.”
boutons_deux
11-03-2016, 03:02 PM
Get a load of who Melania Trump is plagiarizing now! (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/3/1590729/-Get-a-load-of-who-Melania-Trump-is-plagiarizing-now)
(((Yair Rosenberg))) (https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg)
(https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg)✔@Yair_Rosenberg (https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg)
Melania just plagiarized Trump's second wife Marla Maples. Here's the only Google results for "if you could dream it, you could become it":
It's not just the one line, either. A whole section (https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/794252255658725376) about family and parents and opportunity.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/03/1590729/-Get-a-load-of-who-Melania-Trump-is-plagiarizing-now?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29
btw, Marla's lookin damn good. search "marla maples 2015"
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 03:09 PM
Get a load of who Melania Trump is plagiarizing now! (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/3/1590729/-Get-a-load-of-who-Melania-Trump-is-plagiarizing-now)
(((Yair Rosenberg))) (https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg)
(https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg)✔@Yair_Rosenberg (https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg)
Melania just plagiarized Trump's second wife Marla Maples. Here's the only Google results for "if you could dream it, you could become it":
It's not just the one line, either. A whole section (https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/794252255658725376) about family and parents and opportunity.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/03/1590729/-Get-a-load-of-who-Melania-Trump-is-plagiarizing-now?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29
btw, Marla's lookin damn good. search "marla maples 2015"
You aren't even correcting the record in the correct thread shill. No payment from David Brock for CTR shilling incorrect threads.
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 03:27 PM
And they're out.
RELEASE: The Podesta Emails Part 28 - DoJ/FBI/Huma special
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?special&q=&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult
will post up ones of interest after the Autists dig through
boutons_deux
11-03-2016, 03:30 PM
Donald Trump’s FBI: James Comey’s department is filled with pro-Trump, anti-Hillary Clinton partisans
The Bureau seems to be filled with partisan hacks hell-bent on investigating Hillary Clinton
Under FBI Director James Comey, whose ethically challenged letter Friday has put wind in Donald Trump’s sails (http://www.salon.com/2016/10/31/donald-trump-thanks-anthony-weiner-for-fbi-probe-hits-hillary-clinton-for-being-mean-to-russia/), the Bureau has engaged in a partisan witch hunt (http://www.salon.com/2016/10/31/so-much-for-the-upstanding-james-comey-the-fbi-directors-long-career-as-preening-partisan-hack/)against Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton — and it’s all because there’s a pro-Trump bias.
As The Guardian reported (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump) on Thursday, many sources within the FBI admitted to the newspaper that many agents were outraged that Comey decided not to recommend an indictment against Clinton in July.
“The FBI is Trumpland,” one agent admitted to the site, with another describing how Clinton is “the antichrist personified to a large swathe of FBI personnel” and “the reason why they’re leaking is they’re pro-Trump.”
While some of The Guardian’s sources disagreed that the FBI is overwhelmingly pro-Trump, all of them stated that the attitude toward Clinton is extremely negative.
“There are lots of people who don’t think Trump is qualified, but also believe Clinton is corrupt. What you hear a lot is that it’s a bad choice, between an incompetent and a corrupt politician,”
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/03/donald-trumps-fbi-james-comeys-department-is-filled-with-pro-trump-anti-hillary-clinton-partisans/
so the FBI macho-man goons prefer incompetent macho-man Trash to Crooked Hillary.
As if Hillary is the only crooked, corrupted politician.
Trash is vastly more crooked, corrupt in many more ways than Hillary, but she's fat, old, un-hot woman.
boutons_deux
11-03-2016, 03:43 PM
James Comey’s Actions Place Him in the Worst Traditions of J. Edgar Hoover
From the beginning of James B. Comey’s 10-year term as FBI Director, when he was appointed by President Barack Obama in 2013, he has repeatedly condemned the practices of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover. Speaking of Hoover’s order to wiretap the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and use the tapes to drive the civil rights leader to commit suicide, Comey said in a Georgetown University speech last year that he keeps these atrocities of his late predecessor in mind “to ensure that we remember our mistakes and that we learn from them.”
The director, however, seems to have not learned from other grievous mistakes made by Hoover. The actions Comey took last week place him firmly in one of Hoover’s worst traditions: using the enormous power of the bureau, whether or not intentionally, to affect the outcome of a presidential election.
Intervention in elections was second nature to
Hoover, simply a part of his job. It was perhaps a logical extension of some of his other favorite activities: spying on thousands of Americans because of their political beliefs and plotting dirty tricks and even crimes to destroy the lives of people he perceived as enemies of either the political system or of American values as he defined them.
He kept massive files on the personal lives of members of congress and other people, including educators, journalists and activists in the civil rights and antiwar movements.
At a moment’s notice, he would dip into these secret files and select ones he thought could be used to defeat a candidate. Or, if he didn’t have a file on a new candidate, agents and informers would be dispatched to develop such files.
Unlike Comey’s recent very public foray into possible election distortion, Hoover did it all secretly. Americans had no idea that the widely admired
FBI director had secretly long assumed he could be a law unto himself.
The public and Congress learned about Hoover’s crimes not as a result of congressional oversight, as there was no oversight of the bureau during his years as director. They learned about it as the result of
eight people burglarizing the Media, PA, office, in March 1971. The files they stole from that office and made public by giving them to journalists—including to me, a Washington Post reporter at the time — revealed Hoover’s massive spying operations, including COINTELPRO, perhaps his most vicious operations, and eventually led to congressional investigations of all intelligence agencies.
Those investigations and subsequent research by scholars and journalists of FBI files, which became accessible to the public for the first time as a result of the strengthening of the federal Freedom of Information Act in 1974, led to the discovery of Hoover’s secret FBI, including his plots to influence presidential elections.
On President Johnson’s behalf in 1964, Hoover arranged for a high FBI official to search for derogatory information about fifteen members of the staff of Senator Barry Goldwater, Johnson’s opponent in that year’s election.
In 1952, Dwight Eisenhower appeared to be uninvolved in seeking FBI services against his opponent, Senator Adlai Stevenson, but members of Eisenhower’s staff asked for FBI help. Information was provided for a whispering campaign that claimed Stevenson’s staff was made up of “pinks, punks and pansies.”
An agent involved in the effort later claimed that “a lot of us were absolutely appalled by” the effort to imply that Stevenson was gay.
But, said the agent, “Mr. Hoover was determined to elect Nixon (the Republican vice presidential candidate) and Ike, and when he made up his mind to do something there was no changing it.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/james-comeys-actions-place-him-in-the-worst-traditions-of-j-edgar-hoover/
ElNono
11-03-2016, 06:12 PM
Can you confirm axl rose as TSA tbh? :lol
:lol no, can't believe peeps don't know whose alt axl rose is
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 06:19 PM
LE jumping into the political fray, running candidates down by discussing their cases in the paper -- however patriotic the motive -- is bad politics, a bad idea, and ultimately undermines confidence in LE as such.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 06:22 PM
It could undermine the case against HRC in court, if there is one.
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 06:24 PM
LE jumping into the political fray, running candidates down by discussing their cases in the paper -- however patriotic the motive -- is bad politics, a bad idea, and ultimately undermines confidence in LE as such.
DOJ is to blame for LE/FBI resorting to these tactics. Fight fire with fire.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 06:28 PM
If Trump was the target you'd be singing a different tune, but I'd still be saying the same thing.
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 06:31 PM
What did you say about the DOJ's actions in all of this, I must have missed it.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 06:34 PM
What actions are you referring to?
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 06:36 PM
As I recall, the DOJ punted to the FBI to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. You didn't like the result, so you call them both corrupt.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 06:58 PM
Let the investigation run its course. If the FBI makes a criminal referral, HRC has to step down easy as that -- supposing the FBI hasn't already shot itself in the foot.
Oops.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:09 PM
Doesn't matter what I think. It's not a requirement.regardless, don't you have your own thoughts on the matter?
Is financial disclosure a good thing for voters to know before they hand someone the levers of power?
Why or why not?
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:11 PM
Seems imminently reasonable to me. There must be some reason every single candidate in the last 50 years has gone along with it even though it's not compulsory.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:19 PM
There is a big difference between law enforcement being guided by political pressure and expediency (war on drugs, crack vs. coke sentences, hate crimes, cakes for gays, etc.) than the Justice department intentionally not pursuing actual crime for political reasons.The FBI said the facts didn't support a criminal referral. One might infer the reasons for non-referral were political, but the case for that is purely speculative.
At any rate, whichever way the DOJ came down, the determination would have been political. You just don't like the result, so you cry foul.
CosmicCowboy
11-03-2016, 07:36 PM
The FBI said the facts didn't support a criminal referral. One might infer the reasons for non-referral were political, but the case for that is purely speculative.
At any rate, whichever way the DOJ came down, the determination would have been political. You just don't like the result, so you cry foul.
I wasn't referring to Comeys statement weeks ago. I was referring to the recent FBI leaks where they were saying they thought they had an indictable case and Justice was trying to squash it.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:39 PM
Professional difference of opinion. Boss decides, the rest of us are armchair quarterbacks.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:41 PM
Not keeping it in the locker room reflects ill on the FBI.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:45 PM
FBI agents talking trash on their own boss to influence an election is not how we do things.
Until now.
Republicans will rue this when the shoe is on the other foot.
pgardn
11-03-2016, 07:46 PM
:lol no, can't believe peeps don't know whose alt axl rose is
i don't...
Cant say that it would make a difference though.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:47 PM
It's not a matter of if but when. The institutional norm is broken.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:49 PM
That said, I mostly blame Comey for his public explanation of non-referral and release of investigative materials. He broke the norm.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 07:51 PM
The fish rots from the head down.
CosmicCowboy
11-03-2016, 07:55 PM
The fish rots from the head down.
technically the gills, not the head. :p
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 07:55 PM
As I recall, the DOJ punted to the FBI to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. You didn't like the result, so you call them both corrupt.
Was this punt before or after the DOJ meeting on the tarmac with Bill Clinton?
DarrinS
11-03-2016, 07:55 PM
Don't be mad at Comey -- be mad at Nixon, I mean Clinton.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:00 PM
Afterward of course. The appearance of propriety became unsustainable at that point.
Do you disagree with The AG's decision to hand it ovwr to the FBI?
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:02 PM
technically the gills, not the head. :pI cede to your superior experience and stand corrected.
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 08:07 PM
Let the investigation run its course. If the FBI makes a criminal referral, HRC has to step down easy as that -- supposing the FBI hasn't already shot itself in the foot.
Oops.
What if all 30,000 of the "missing" Hillary emails are on Weiner's laptop, plus hundreds of thousands more that were deliberately ditched and we never knew existed in the first place, evidencing not only lying about the content of the 30,000 emails but the existence of hundreds of thousands more?
What if among the authenticated email traffic is John Podesta saying, just days before the Clinton campaign was compelled to produce said material they they had to "dump those emails", apparently proving intent to obstruct justice?
What if all of the emails that came from big public cloud providers are provably, to a near-forensic standard, to be exactly as WikiLeaks has presented them and could not have been tampered with because those providers digitally sign every email that comes from them and those signatures all validate back against those cloud providers, and those emails are thus in fact already known to be authentic?
What if the evidence on that laptop adds to the already known fact that Bill Clinton took a number of trips on Epstein's "Lolita Express" aircraft, some of them after dismissing his Secret Service detail, and implicates what was about to, or did, happen on those trips?
What if the evidence on that laptop shows that Hillary was present on at least one of those trips and either knew about or participated in those acts?
What if the evidence shows that the Clinton Foundation operated as a major pay-to-play operation and national security interests were implicated such as, for example, in the sale of uranium to the Russians.
What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations we have a sketchy relationship with or even those that are under some sort of active embargo, but the Foundation was able to "get around"?
What if these "pay to play" activities implicate federal Racketeering and/or bribery statutes?
What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations that have been implicated in international Muslim terrorism, arguably therefore rising to the act of treason since by our own government's own statements we are in a waragainst said international terrorism?
What if the Clintons actively conspired with Loretta Lynch to obstruct the ongoing investigations including but not limited to Bill Clinton's "chat about family matters" aboard Lynch's aircraft, a meeting for which no minutes or recording has been produced for the public?
What if for the first time in known history of FBI and DOJ investigations of such serious conduct with national security implications utterly nobody was served with a subpoena, nobody had evidence seized and material witnesses were allowed to corroborate and be present when others were testifying, and those acts were undertaken by the DOJ for the explicit purpose of both crippling the investigation and preventing a Grand Jury from seeing and judging the evidence in the case?
What if the FBI Deputy Director who headed up -- and is still in charge of -- the Hillary email server investigation has a wife who received nearly $700,000 in political contributions from a major Clinton operative and yet despite this clear and publicly-known conflict of interest has not recused himself or been forced to step aside?
What if James Comey was browbeaten into making a public announcement that was beyond his legal authority (that "no reasonable prosecutor" would indict) through political pressure but upon being presented with the new evidence on Weiner's laptop he couldn't stand by his previous decision because this new evidence made him sick to his stomach, convinced him that the damage to this nation was so severe that we might not survive it -- or both?
What if it turns out that Hillary's campaign cheated multiple times during the primary season when it came to being fed debate questions and other means of tampering with the primary election process, denying her primary opponent a fair election?
What if Hillary should have never been nominated in the first place due to her cheating in the primaries and the race should be "Trump .vs. Sanders"? What does that say about the legitimacy of the upcoming election if one candidate on the ballot cheated to get there and is thus not legitimately entitled to stand for election in the general at all?
What if the evidence shows how people "divested" and transferred financial interest in foreign firms so as to evade federal reporting requirements that would have otherwise triggered scrutiny on some of the Foundation's deals?
What if Friday afternoon comes and goes, Saturday, Sunday and Monday come and go, all or a sufficiently-damning group of the above turn out to be true and as a result the person who was at the center of all of these things stands to be able to pardon herself and everyone else associated with what would be, quite-arguably, the most outrageous series of acts of public corruption in our nation's history?
That we are here, just a few days before an election, that we have a DOJ that has actively obstructed the investigation for at least months if not longer and has a history of doing this during Obama's Presidency, including I remind you with "Fast-n-Furious" where a whole bunch of people got killed as a result of our government's illegal gun-running is an outrage.
The only thing more-outrageous than what has already happened would be if we were to get to Monday night, on the eve of voting, and all of those "What Ifs" up above remained unanswered.
Oh wait, I tricked you and I admit it -- some of those "what ifs" -- including some truly damning ones -- have already been answered in the affirmative.
If you know the answers to any of the remaining questions -- not a belief of what the answers might be but you are in possession of hard facts that prove any of the above, either in the positive or negative, you have a duty to this Republic and the people in it to make those answers known.
If you do not then you stand as equally responsible for every "Yes" answer that is ultimately proved, and the harm that comes to this Republic as a consequence.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231607
DarrinS
11-03-2016, 08:09 PM
Afterward of course. The appearance of propriety became unsustainable at that point.
Do you disagree with The AG's decision to hand it ovwr to the FBI?
Obama can fire Comey.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:11 PM
He hasn't. He won't.
That's for HRC to do, but Comey will resign.
Good riddance to smelly garbage. He cared more about his own reputation than his own office.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:14 PM
What if all 30,000 of the "missing" Hillary emails are on Weiner's laptop, plus hundreds of thousands more that were deliberately ditched and we never knew existed in the first place, evidencing not only lying about the content of the 30,000 emails but the existence of hundreds of thousands more?
What if among the authenticated email traffic is John Podesta saying, just days before the Clinton campaign was compelled to produce said material they they had to "dump those emails", apparently proving intent to obstruct justice?
What if all of the emails that came from big public cloud providers are provably, to a near-forensic standard, to be exactly as WikiLeaks has presented them and could not have been tampered with because those providers digitally sign every email that comes from them and those signatures all validate back against those cloud providers, and those emails are thus in fact already known to be authentic?
What if the evidence on that laptop adds to the already known fact that Bill Clinton took a number of trips on Epstein's "Lolita Express" aircraft, some of them after dismissing his Secret Service detail, and implicates what was about to, or did, happen on those trips?
What if the evidence on that laptop shows that Hillary was present on at least one of those trips and either knew about or participated in those acts?
What if the evidence shows that the Clinton Foundation operated as a major pay-to-play operation and national security interests were implicated such as, for example, in the sale of uranium to the Russians.
What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations we have a sketchy relationship with or even those that are under some sort of active embargo, but the Foundation was able to "get around"?
What if these "pay to play" activities implicate federal Racketeering and/or bribery statutes?
What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations that have been implicated in international Muslim terrorism, arguably therefore rising to the act of treason since by our own government's own statements we are in a waragainst said international terrorism?
What if the Clintons actively conspired with Loretta Lynch to obstruct the ongoing investigations including but not limited to Bill Clinton's "chat about family matters" aboard Lynch's aircraft, a meeting for which no minutes or recording has been produced for the public?
What if for the first time in known history of FBI and DOJ investigations of such serious conduct with national security implications utterly nobody was served with a subpoena, nobody had evidence seized and material witnesses were allowed to corroborate and be present when others were testifying, and those acts were undertaken by the DOJ for the explicit purpose of both crippling the investigation and preventing a Grand Jury from seeing and judging the evidence in the case?
What if the FBI Deputy Director who headed up -- and is still in charge of -- the Hillary email server investigation has a wife who received nearly $700,000 in political contributions from a major Clinton operative and yet despite this clear and publicly-known conflict of interest has not recused himself or been forced to step aside?
What if James Comey was browbeaten into making a public announcement that was beyond his legal authority (that "no reasonable prosecutor" would indict) through political pressure but upon being presented with the new evidence on Weiner's laptop he couldn't stand by his previous decision because this new evidence made him sick to his stomach, convinced him that the damage to this nation was so severe that we might not survive it -- or both?
What if it turns out that Hillary's campaign cheated multiple times during the primary season when it came to being fed debate questions and other means of tampering with the primary election process, denying her primary opponent a fair election?
What if Hillary should have never been nominated in the first place due to her cheating in the primaries and the race should be "Trump .vs. Sanders"? What does that say about the legitimacy of the upcoming election if one candidate on the ballot cheated to get there and is thus not legitimately entitled to stand for election in the general at all?
What if the evidence shows how people "divested" and transferred financial interest in foreign firms so as to evade federal reporting requirements that would have otherwise triggered scrutiny on some of the Foundation's deals?
What if Friday afternoon comes and goes, Saturday, Sunday and Monday come and go, all or a sufficiently-damning group of the above turn out to be true and as a result the person who was at the center of all of these things stands to be able to pardon herself and everyone else associated with what would be, quite-arguably, the most outrageous series of acts of public corruption in our nation's history?
That we are here, just a few days before an election, that we have a DOJ that has actively obstructed the investigation for at least months if not longer and has a history of doing this during Obama's Presidency, including I remind you with "Fast-n-Furious" where a whole bunch of people got killed as a result of our government's illegal gun-running is an outrage.
The only thing more-outrageous than what has already happened would be if we were to get to Monday night, on the eve of voting, and all of those "What Ifs" up above remained unanswered.
Oh wait, I tricked you and I admit it -- some of those "what ifs" -- including some truly damning ones -- have already been answered in the affirmative.
If you know the answers to any of the remaining questions -- not a belief of what the answers might be but you are in possession of hard facts that prove any of the above, either in the positive or negative, you have a duty to this Republic and the people in it to make those answers known.
If you do not then you stand as equally responsible for every "Yes" answer that is ultimately proved, and the harm that comes to this Republic as a consequence.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231607
Nope.
Doing things the right way counts for more than expedience.
Justice isn't supposed to rush. That you think it should only discloses how little you care for it.
"Trump is cheating taxpayers!"
Her husband pardoned a 40 million dollar tax debt of a campaign donor and illegal trader Marc Rich.
DarrinS
11-03-2016, 08:17 PM
He hasn't. He won't.
That's for HRC to do, but Comey will resign.
Good riddance to smelly garbage. He cared more about his own reputation than his own office.
Smelly garbage? How dare you, sir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jH_DBR4pSI
TheSanityAnnex
11-03-2016, 08:29 PM
Nope.
Doing things the right way counts for more than expedience.
Justice isn't supposed to rush. That you think it should only discloses how little you care for it.
Your comments make little sense concerning his main point
"If you know the answers to any of the remaining questions -- not a belief of what the answers might be but you are in possession of hard facts that prove any of the above, either in the positive or negative, you have a duty to this Republic and the people in it to make those answers known.
If you do not then you stand as equally responsible for every "Yes" answer that is ultimately proved, and the harm that comes to this Republic as a consequence."
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:32 PM
"Trump is cheating taxpayers!"
Her husband pardoned a 40 million dollar tax debt of a campaign donor and illegal trader Marc Rich.Trump carried forward a loss borne by his creditors to shirk tax liability for over a decade -- in a magnitude at least twice that.
The amount was 2% of the total liabilities claimed that year.
So yeah, Trump screwed the taxpayer at least twice as bad as Marc Rich.
Legally, of course, so you probably salute his guile.
CosmicCowboy
11-03-2016, 08:33 PM
Trump carried forward a loss borne by his creditors to shirk tax liability for over a decade -- in a magnitude at least twice that.
The amount was 2% of the total liabilities claimed that year.
So yeah, Trump screwed the taxpayer at least wice as bad as Marc Rich. On
Legally, of course, so you probably salute his guile.
An unsubstantiated claim worthy of Boutons.
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:34 PM
How is HRC responsible for that, btw?
Winehole23
11-03-2016, 08:36 PM
An unsubstantiated claim worthy of Boutons.how did he do it then if not through the S - corp loophole?
I believe the loss claimed was in the neighborhood of 900M.
How did Trump recover from a loss like that?
CosmicCowboy
11-03-2016, 08:39 PM
how did he do it then if not through the S - corp loophole?
I believe the loss claimed was in the neighborhood of 900M.
How did Trump recover from a loss like that?
A nice dodge on your claim he deducted his creditors losses personally,
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