Spurs Select G Derrick White in the 2017 NBA Draft (29th Overall)

[Nathan89]

Clearly they thought that or they wouldn't have traded for him. So we White might have been the 2nd option or he might have been the 1st option. What we know is that bum Bell was neither.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thats probably why it took San Antonio a while to get the pick in. Plus in the post draft interview, RC didnt convey excitement as he usually does when SA gets the guy they wanted.

WTF are you talking about? RC gave the same canned deadpanned answers he always does.

[Mr. Body]

I've not been impressed by Roy Williams players in general, and certainly not the big men.

[Solid D]

Why is everybody assuming he's going to play PG? He's 6'5 with a long wingspan, good shooter, not that good of a playmaker, good defender, everything points to a 3&D SG.

Jay Bilas was saying during the draft that White was used as the primary ball-handler in pick-and-roll situations and did a really good job. He has some good playmaking skills. I guess we'll see him in action in a couple of weeks and get a little better idea of how he will do.

[DPG21920]

Jay Bilas was saying during the draft that White was used as the primary ball-handler in pick-and-roll situations and did a really good job. He has some good playmaking skills. I guess we'll see him in action in a couple of weeks and get a little better idea of how he will do.

Maybe like a better shooting Nando

[ceperez]

WTF are you talking about? RC gave the same canned deadpanned answers he always does.

I agree, there's nowhere to tell with RC.

[objective]

Maybe like a better shooting Nando

Vinny with a 3 point shot

Vinny dunked all over James Worthy once, it's coming back around

[Solid D]

Maybe like a better shooting Nando

:) Well, I think Nando was more of a finesse player than is White.

[dabom]

Nando was a pussy.

[DPG21920]

:) Well, I think Nando was more of a finesse player than is White.

Oh for sure - especially when you look at White's FT rate. Was more saying size/ball handling/running an offense

[Solid D]

Oh for sure - especially when you look at White's FT rate. Was more saying size/ball handling/running an offense

:tu

[TD 21]

The thing about being a hybrid or tweener is, who you're best off defending is match-up dependant.

Everything can't be based on Warriors. They account for 2-4 out of 82 games and majority of league isn't in position or attempting to contend for championship immediately. If you're playing them, Ibaka is more C. If you're playing Spurs, Ibaka is more PF. I wouldn't structure team with him primarily as C, unless starting PF was glass cleaner/rim roller.

Who White is best off defending will be similar. He's probably not suited to defending ultra fast/quick/athletic PG's or big/strong SG's. Less explosive PG's or spot up wings is ideal.

[ECOV]

https://youtu.be/NdhkxhwdufY

Im starting to like him more and more. You know he puts in hard work .

[cjw]

The thing about being a hybrid or tweener is, who you're best off defending is match-up dependant.

Everything can't be based on Warriors. They account for 2-4 out of 82 games and majority of league isn't in position or attempting to contend for championship immediately. If you're playing them, Ibaka is more C. If you're playing Spurs, Ibaka is more PF. I wouldn't structure team with him primarily as C, unless starting PF was glass cleaner/rim roller.

Who White is best off defending will be similar. He's probably not suited to defending ultra fast/quick/athletic PG's or big/strong SG's. Less explosive PG's or spot up wings is ideal.

Right now, the only three teams you should be trying to beat are (in order) GS, Cle and Hou. Who cares about how the roster pans out against the rest of the league?

But agree that Ibaka's rebounding and willingness to pound the paint leave a lot to be desired. Not to mention his fake age. If this were 2K, Ibaka (the young version) would be a great fit. But it's not.

On White, what "big" SGs are you scared of him matching up with? The league is void of them outside of Butler. Harden would be a tough matchup for now too but you have Green/Kawhi.

[TD 21]

Right now, the only three teams you should be trying to beat are (in order) GS, Cle and Hou. Who cares about how the roster pans out against the rest of the league?

But agree that Ibaka's rebounding and willingness to pound the paint leave a lot to be desired. Not to mention his fake age. If this were 2K, Ibaka (the young version) would be a great fit. But it's not.

On White, what "big" SGs are you scared of him matching up with? The league is void of them outside of Butler. Harden would be a tough matchup for now too but you have Green/Kawhi.

Point is, I wouldn't call Ibaka a PF or a C; he's a hybrid, who's position is mostly dependant on opponent and Warriors, Cavaliers and Rockets, are only the opponent 6-12 times a season (plus potentially playoffs obviously). I'm not basing someone's position off such a small portion of games.

Thompson, DeRozan, Wade, Matthews, Evans, Stephenson, etc. I know they're mostly starters, but White's not suited to defending those types.

[ace3g]

https://youtu.be/NdhkxhwdufY

Im starting to like him more and more. You know he puts in hard work .


I'll embed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdhkxhwdufY&feature=youtu.be

[ECOV]

I'll embed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdhkxhwdufY&feature=youtu.be

thanks ,I sent it through my phone so It didn't come out correctly.

[keithington1]

https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/6/7/15736262/2017-nba-draft-prospect-preview-derrick-white-new-orleans-pelicans-workout-brogdon-fultz-comparison

[Snaq O'Meal]

Josh Hart is not the next Malcolm Brogdon. Mini Fathead is that guy.

[TimDunkem]

Let's hope so.

[GSH]

I'll embed


Thanks. You have to love his story. His dad working that hard to find a school with a program for him to play college ball. Gotta love it. He's worked his way up, so you know how he's going to go after this opportunity. I'm really looking forward to seeing him play.

[DPG21920]

Thanks. You have to love his story. His dad working that hard to find a school with a program for him to play college ball. Gotta love it. He's worked his way up, so you know how he's going to go after this opportunity. I'm really looking forward to seeing him play.

Summer League is right around the corner. Speaking of - if anyone ever gets the chance, you should attend SL. It's really a great event. You get to see a lot of players up close and personal.

[GSH]

I went out and looked at some video of White. I hope he's with Chip already. :lol

I know I joke about things a lot, but damn he throws some knuckleballs. I saw one three pointer that I swear couldn't have made more than a turn and a half on the way to the hole. (It's a highlight video, so of course it went in.) Still not as bad as some of young Tony Parker's shots - he used to get side spin on a lot of them.

The good news is, if he can shoot that well pushing pumpkins, he really does have some shooting upside.



Summer League is right around the corner. Speaking of - if anyone ever gets the chance, you should attend SL. It's really a great event. You get to see a lot of players up close and personal.


I would LOVE to go watch SL sometime. The atmosphere with all those guys just looks like a lot of fun.

[Seventyniner]

Vinny with a 3 point shot

Vinny with 2 feet more of range, you mean?

[Chinook]

Vinny with a toe more of range, you mean?

FIFY

[Spurtacular]

Unfortunately, that's how it seems as of right now. This guy has a better shot and is a worse defenderand is a little smaller is all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliFzmghSF0

[Spurtacular]

That's some faggoty stuff, mods.

[BatManu20]

Happy 23rd birthday to the kid


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[KDKSpurs24]

Unfortunately, that's how it seems as of right now. This guy has a better shot and is a worse defenderand is a little smaller is all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliFzmghSF0
Worse defender? Didn't this guy make an All Defensive Team for his conference at least?

[Mr. Body]

Worse defender? Didn't this guy make an All Defensive Team for his conference at least?

Yes.

[ceperez]

Worse defender? Didn't this guy make an All Defensive Team for his conference at least?

Given his height and decent level of athleticism, he's going to be a better defender than Mills, Parker or Forbes.

The reality though is that Spurs have an too many 1's and 2's.

Mills, Parker, Forbes, White, Murray, Green, Simmons. That's not even counting Manu, Leonard and Anderson that can also play one of those positions. Now add potentially Hanga coming in this year. That's 11 positions!!!

On the other side you got slip pickings with Bertans, Pau, Aldridge, Blossomgame.

Obviously now... someone is not making the team or is being traded.

[tonight...you]

Unfortunately, that's how it seems as of right now. This guy has a better shot and is a worse defenderand is a little smaller is all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliFzmghSF0
Worse defender? Uhhh... I guess we'll see, but this kid could D up.

[tonight...you]

Given his height and decent level of athleticism, he's going to be a better defender than Mills, Parker or Forbes.

The reality though is that Spurs have an too many 1's and 2's.

Mills, Parker, Forbes, White, Murray, Green, Simmons. That's not even counting Manu, Leonard and Anderson that can also play one of those positions. Now add potentially Hanga coming in this year. That's 11 positions!!!

On the other side you got slip pickings with Bertans, Pau, Aldridge, Blossomgame.

Obviously now... someone is not making the team or is being traded.
Simmons is not on the team yet. Manu is not on the team right now. Parker is completely out until at least Feb and maybe forever. Forbes is an afterthought. Murray is nothing but a cumulus cloud of potential right now.
Let's wait til at least Simmons and Manu shake out, bud.

[TimDunkem]

Worse defender? Uhhh... I guess we'll see, but this kid could D up.
Yeah, although I've been hard on this kid, I like his defensive potential rather than his offensive game, tbh. He could do some things on that side of the court.

[TheGreatYacht]

Happy 28th birthday, rook!

[Snaq O'Meal]

Given his height and decent level of athleticism, he's going to be a better defender than Mills, Parker or Forbes.

The reality though is that Spurs have an too many 1's and 2's.

Mills, Parker, Forbes, White, Murray, Green, Simmons. That's not even counting Manu, Leonard and Anderson that can also play one of those positions. Now add potentially Hanga coming in this year. That's 11 positions!!!

On the other side you got slip pickings with Bertans, Pau, Aldridge, Blossomgame.

Obviously now... someone is not making the team or is being traded.

Guards galore!

Pop will get such a boner that not even viagra can match!

[TimDunkem]

Happy 28th birthday, rook!
Kid will be past his prime by the time we get rid of Porker and get him playing time at the 1. :lol

[tonight...you]

Happy 28th birthday, rook!
:lol At least he isn't one of those dudes that lose their hair by the time they are 21...
So hey, he's got that going for him.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol At least he isn't one of those dudes that lose their hair by the time they are 21...
So hey, he's got that going for him.
Not so fast :lol

Him and Kyle's hairlines are pushed back further than Stephen A's

http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/derrick_white_003.jpg?w=620
https://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/29/files/2016/08/9216696-kyle-anderson-nba-san-antonio-spurs-memphis-grizzlies-850x560.jpg

[tonight...you]

Not so fast :lol

Him and Kyle's hairlines are pushed back further than Stephen A's

http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/derrick_white_003.jpg?w=620
https://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/29/files/2016/08/9216696-kyle-anderson-nba-san-antonio-spurs-memphis-grizzlies-850x560.jpg
Aw snap! I dun' effed up captain! We be's surrounded and I only brought straws and paper! I hope we got enough saliva for all the spitballs we gon' hafta shoot!
What? Yes, they have guns! Start spitting men.

[Spurtacular]

Worse defender? Didn't this guy make an All Defensive Team for his conference at least?

Maybe. I don't see him being that good at the NBA level though.

[KDKSpurs24]

Maybe. I don't see him being that good at the NBA level though.
This guy has done nothing but improve and prove people wrong his whole life so far. And at an unusual rate since high school. I'm not gonna doubt him yet. I feel like he's on an upward slope. Can't wait to see him play tomorrow.

[Mnky]

Maybe. I don't see him being that good at the NBA level though.

He has the tools to be a good defender. Has shown he competes and gets better at every level. Nothing has shown he can't be a good defender. only thing i can think of are the reports on him not being athletic, which are ridiculous. He doesnt have elite athleticism, but neither does Kawhi Leonard. He does alright.

[Spurtacular]

This guy has done nothing but improve and prove people wrong his whole life so far. And at an unusual rate since high school. I'm not gonna doubt him yet. I feel like he's on an upward slope. Can't wait to see him play tomorrow.

I doubt him. As a Spurs fan, I hope he proves me wrong.

[Spurtacular]

He has the tools to be a good defender. Has shown he competes and gets better at every level. Nothing has shown he can't be a good defender. only thing i can think of are the reports on him not being athletic, which are ridiculous. He doesnt have elite athleticism, but neither does Kawhi Leonard. He does alright.

He's a bit on the slow side from what I've seen. That's a red mark from the start. Slow guards don't tend to be good defenders.

[Nathan89]

Steal of the draft and spurstalk is disappointed :lol

[Mnky]

He's a bit on the slow side from what I've seen. That's a red mark from the start. Slow guards don't tend to be good defenders.

Not sure where youre you're getting that. Did you take the time to look at his combine results?

Colorado Guard Derrick White posted the second best three-quarter sprint time at 3.08 (97th percentile historically) and tied for the third best standing vertical leap at 35.5 (99th percentile historically). The D2 transfer combo guard was a rather unheralded prospect until this season. White measured 6'4.5 with shoes with a 6'7.5 wingspan which is very similar to the physical measurements of Chicago Bulls guard Jerian Grant, but his athletic testing results are very similar to those of Mike Conley's.

[jermaine]

Besides the fact he looks like KA, I dont understand the hate for this kid! He'll be in the D League his 1st yr anyeays...

[ceperez]

Not sure where youre you're getting that. Did you take the time to look at his combine results?

Colorado Guard Derrick White posted the second best three-quarter sprint time at 3.08 (97th percentile historically) and tied for the third best standing vertical leap at 35.5 (99th percentile historically). The D2 transfer combo guard was a rather unheralded prospect until this season. White measured 6'4.5 with shoes with a 6'7.5 wingspan which is very similar to the physical measurements of Chicago Bulls guard Jerian Grant, but his athletic testing results are very similar to those of Mike Conley's.

Too many posters not consulting the draft report and making comments based on the 'eye-test'.

Seriously, does it not sound like a steal with a guy that is as athletic as Mike Conley and already being able to handle the ball and shoot extremely well.

I think Murray may be out of a job.

[jermaine]

This is my 1st time watching videos of this dude... I like him. I really like lil Forbes, but I think he's the odd man out... his height will be his downfall.

[SilverSpur]

Reminds me of Cory Joseph. Hopefully he will turn out as good.

[ceperez]

This is my 1st time watching videos of this dude... I like him. I really like lil Forbes, but I think he's the odd man out... his height will be his downfall.

Truth is, if White is shooting as well as he has been advertised, Forbes is likely gone.

[ceperez]

Reminds me of Cory Joseph. Hopefully he will turn out as good.

He's bigger than Joseph, has better handles and can shoot better. I think they are even in terms of athleticism.

I don't think its even close. White is better than Joseph.... not in the future... most likely today.

[BatManu20]

Reminds me of Cory Joseph. Hopefully he will turn out as good.

Better offensive player than CoJo ever was. Worse defender though.

[RD2191]

He's bigger than Joseph, has better handles and can shoot better. I think they are even in terms of athleticism.

I don't think its even close. White is better than Joseph.... not in the future... most likely today.

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

This guy has done nothing but improve and prove people wrong his whole life so far. And at an unusual rate since high school. I'm not gonna doubt him yet. I feel like he's on an upward slope. Can't wait to see him play tomorrow.
That poster is known to doubt Black players, tbh..he once said he would be surprised if Simmons could read:lol

[BatManu20]

That poster is known to doubt Black players, tbh..he once said he would be surprised if Simmons could read:lol

:lol

[GSH]

Maybe. I don't see him being that good at the NBA level though.


Do you know how many players have been drafted in the first round, after not receiving a single D1 scholarship offer out of HS? Scottie Pippen. Steve Francis. Ben Wallace. Jack Sikma. Avery Johnson. John Starks. Terry Porter. Late bloomers. There's a lot more reason to believe he will be good in the NBA, than to believe that he won't.

You've never even watched him play, so what are you basing your opinion on? Other than the fact that he's not Jimmer Fredette.

[GSH]

He's bigger than Joseph, has better handles and can shoot better. I think they are even in terms of athleticism.


Stat-wise, I think he's better than Joseph was in just about every single column. Physically? He's taller, bigger wingspan, and MUCH better springs. He had a 35.5" no-step vert in the combine. If I remember, that was like 6-7" more than Joseph.

[tonight...you]

Better offensive player than CoJo ever was. Worse defender though.
Uhh... no. What the hell man!

[objective]

Do you know how many players have been drafted in the first round, after not receiving a single D1 scholarship offer out of HS? Scottie Pippen. Steve Francis. Ben Wallace. Jack Sikma. Avery Johnson. John Starks. Terry Porter. Late bloomers. There's a lot more reason to believe he will be good in the NBA, than to believe that he won't.

You've never even watched him play, so what are you basing your opinion on? Other than the fact that he's not Jimmer Fredette.

Wallace, Avery, Starks weren't drafted in the first round. Avery and Starks weren't even drafted I think.

[sasaint]

Too many posters not consulting the draft report and making comments based on the 'eye-test'.

Seriously, does it not sound like a steal with a guy that is as athletic as Mike Conley and already being able to handle the ball and shoot extremely well.

I think Murray may be out of a job.

I think Murray and White could be an interesting combo guard duo.

[Mnky]

6'4 isn't small for a 2. Most od the best perimeter defenders are around that height wit quick feet and long reach.which this kid has.

His shooting numbers were not that worse than the best shooter in the draft, forgot his name but he was hyped from shooting. Except white can do way more. He made all defensive team in a conference with fultz and lonzo in it.

I was upset on draft night, because I wanted a running big or longer wing, and mostly because I didn't know the kid very well. Once I looked him up though, he seems like an A+ pick in almost all regards.

The age thing to Me, is a bonus. He will be cheap for the next 4-5 years. Whereas a young player will not be able to play for 3-4 years and then probably cost too much to keep if he can play. This kid will be here and ready to contribute on the cheap. Same as blossom. I think that's huge when you're trying to make money for next year's rebuild/ reload.

I honestly and whole heartedly believe Kyle Anderson has hurt so many posters, any player looking similar is going to scare spurfan away tbh :lol

[Atl Spur]

Do you know how many players have been drafted in the first round, after not receiving a single D1 scholarship offer out of HS? Scottie Pippen. Steve Francis. Ben Wallace. Jack Sikma. Avery Johnson. John Starks. Terry Porter. Late bloomers. There's a lot more reason to believe he will be good in the NBA, than to believe that he won't.

You've never even watched him play, so what are you basing your opinion on? Other than the fact that he's not Jimmer Fredette.

Great points👍🏾

[Mnky]

Do you know how many players have been drafted in the first round, after not receiving a single D1 scholarship offer out of HS? Scottie Pippen. Steve Francis. Ben Wallace. Jack Sikma. Avery Johnson. John Starks. Terry Porter. Late bloomers. There's a lot more reason to believe he will be good in the NBA, than to believe that he won't.

You've never even watched him play, so what are you basing your opinion on? Other than the fact that he's not Jimmer Fredette.

Not to mention, he didnt get D1 offers because he was 5'10 his senior year.

He exploded in college.

[Spurtacular]

Do you know how many players have been drafted in the first round, after not receiving a single D1 scholarship offer out of HS? Scottie Pippen. Steve Francis. Ben Wallace. Jack Sikma. Avery Johnson. John Starks. Terry Porter. Late bloomers. There's a lot more reason to believe he will be good in the NBA, than to believe that he won't.

You've never even watched him play, so what are you basing your opinion on? Other than the fact that he's not Jimmer Fredette.

Maybe, he'll be the next Devin Booker. I'm just relaying my initial impression.

[tonight...you]

He's bigger than Joseph, has better handles and can shoot better. I think they are even in terms of athleticism.

I don't think its even close. White is better than Joseph.... not in the future... most likely today.
You're drunk and, if you're not, you need to be cordoned off from the public.
Your shit is just toxic and ugly.

[tonight...you]

Maybe, he'll be the next Devin Booker. I'm just relaying my initial impression.
I actually liked you and that was your initial impression?
Dude. You think he'll throw down 70 on a superior defender, in the NBA?

[Mr. Body]

He's bigger than Joseph, has better handles and can shoot better. I think they are even in terms of athleticism.

I don't think its even close. White is better than Joseph.... not in the future... most likely today.

Joseph was a long shot. Her never should have left when he did and only by landing with a patient team was he able to make it to decent. I would agree White has better tools coming out of college, but then he's older.

[Spurtacular]

I actually liked you and that was your initial impression?
Dude. You think he'll throw down 70 on a superior defender, in the NBA?

You think my initial impression was that he'll throw down 70 on a "superior defender"? You should reread....

BTW, I don't know if Avery Bradley is the superior defender you speak of; but he was not playing.


You're drunk and, if you're not, you need to be cordoned off from the public.
Your shit is just toxic and ugly.

I'm inclined to think you're the one drinking and posting right now, tbh.

[tonight...you]

You think my initial impression was that he'll throw down 70 on a "superior defender"? You should reread....

BTW, I don't know if Avery Bradley is the superior defender you speak of; but he was not playing.
How about this- I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
You can sneak in snide remarks and such later.

[Spurtacular]

How about this- I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
You can sneak in snide remarks and such later.

There is no doubt unless I'm misunderstanding you. I stated my initial impression of White is not favorable. You presented pretty much the opposite.

[tonight...you]

There is no doubt unless I'm misunderstanding you. I stated my initial impression of White is not favorable. You presented pretty much the opposite.
I said I will give you the benefit of the doubt. What about that do you not understand?

Gotta throw shit in, don't you? Like I said: sneak in those snide remarks...

[Spurtacular]

I said I will give you the benefit of the doubt. What about that do you not understand?

Gotta throw shit in, don't you? Like I said: sneak in those snide remarks...

There's no sneakiness; no doubt. I'm telling you straight up that went full retard.

[GSH]

Wallace, Avery, Starks weren't drafted in the first round. Avery and Starks weren't even drafted I think.



I think you're right. Late bloomers, Hard workers.

[tonight...you]

There's no sneakiness; no doubt. I'm telling you straight up that went full retard.
Lol... always liked you. Despite other's racist remarks.

[Spurtacular]

Lol... always liked you. Despite other's racist remarks.

:bobo

[keithington1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HacNTmQ1mmM

[BSfromTX]

Safe to say he will be ahead of Forbes

[Leetonidas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HacNTmQ1mmM

Nice. He has a polished look to his game. Can manuver around the basket and has a nice looking pull up. He also made some solid passes. Kid looks miles better than Forbes

[Nathan89]

I love what he showed in his first game. Perfect piece to probe and dish with. Great off the catch for straight line drives. His passing ability will put pressure on the defense at all times. That lob to Bertans was fantastic.

[BackHome]

Don't hate Forbes but no reason to be playing him since we signed Mills and drafted White and Yes White is way better then Forbes.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Forbes can't shoot off the dribble. Spot up guy. It's disgusting we gave him any guaranteed money. He's expendable now White is here.

[Ice009]

They were asking White after the game how much he's learning from Bryn Forbes (like Bryn is some kind of star). I would have said "nothing, I'm better than him." Forbes is a great shooter, looks like he's strictly a spot up shooter, though, as the for the rest of his game, there's really nothing White can or should be learning from him. I thought that was a pretty horrible question. SA media really does suck. No wonder the FO office always gets a pass. They think guys like Bryn Forbes are good players, so they don't question the FO at all.

[raybies]

With his skill set and all around game, he's like a prototype for a combo guard cause he can play on ball and off ball. Need to see more defensively though. Can't wait to see more.

[jermaine]

Forbes can't shoot off the dribble. Spot up guy. It's disgusting we gave him any guaranteed money. He's expendable now White is here.

This is true

[emanueldavidginobili]

He reminds me a lot of CJ McCollum

[kobyz]

A little Gilbert Arenas in him...

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEkClBHV0AA4uP7.jpg:large

[tim_duncan_fan]

Time to give this guy a shot.

[keithington1]

He's already where he needs to be defensively based off last night

[Robz4000]

Just start him in Fathead Sr.'s place.

[LittleCriminal]

Just start him in Fathead Sr.'s place.

Do you think White can fill the 5pts 3reb in 23 min Anderson left behind?

[Robz4000]

Do you think White can fill the 5pts 3reb in 23 min Anderson left behind?

Fathead's been the Spurs' third best player this season so far tbh.

[LittleCriminal]

Fathead's been the Spurs' third best player this season so far tbh.

Ok???
but my question had nothing to do with where you imagine Anderson in the best player category.

[Robz4000]

Ok???
but my question had nothing to do with where you imagine Anderson in the best player category.

It's not an imaginary ranking, it's fact tbh. There is no replacing what Fathead has been bringing to the team outside of Kawhi.

[Mr. Body]

I like his size. Won't expect to see him much for a long time.

[LittleCriminal]

It's not an imaginary ranking, it's fact tbh. There is no replacing what Fathead has been bringing to the team outside of Kawhi.

Ok???
So....
Do you think white can fill the 5pts 3reb in 23 min Anderson left behind?

[Chinook]

I like White's game if it can translate to the pros. Starting him wouldn't be a bad idea given that the Pistons actually play small. I assume Paul will be starting, and honestly, he's been serving up shit burgers for the past few games.

[Mr. Body]

I like White's game if it can translate to the pros. Starting him wouldn't be a bad idea given that the Pistons actually play small. I assume Paul will be starting, and honestly, he's been serving up shit burgers for the past few games.

Why would you start a player who has only ever played one game in the NBA in his life?

[Chinook]

Why would you start a player who has only ever played one game in the NBA in his life?

You realize that happens to a number of players on the second game of the season every year, right?

[dabom]

You realize that happens to a number of players on the second game of the season every year, right?

We're talking Spurs here.

[SAGirl]

He should get opportunities to play in this stretch. Between Kiwi, Kyle, 40 years old Manu, minutes restricted Tony, etc...

[south side spur]

He should get opportunities to play in this stretch. Between Kiwi, Kyle, 40 years old Manu, minutes restricted Tony, etc...

Hoping he gets 10-15 minutes and has a solid all around game tonight. Would be great to see him exceed Spurstalk expectations.

[duncan2150]

I hope so, I think he could be a decent player.

[Spurtacular]

If Pop hadn't of pulled that hack-a-simmons sh** that 76ers game would've been the first that White was the difference in a win, imo.

[Chinook]

I actually really liked how he played considering his lack of experience. He can score inside better than any other Spurs guard under 35. He's active around the boards, and he plays good D. It's practically criminal that he doesn't get more minutes. I understand that he was supposed to replace Green after a Kyrie trade, but Pop using guys like Paul and Hillard over Derrick is really making the pick look worse than it likely is in actuality. The team seems to have drafted a future rotation player, and that's good at 29. It's just a shame they didn't look harder for a big if they weren't going to draft Bell. Joff should be paying the Spurs to have him on the roster.

[SAGirl]

I also liked what White showed not just considering the inexperience, but how little run he has had (chemistry). Playing Hilliard and BP3 over him has indeed been ? and all I come up with to explain that is that the Spurs need to make a decision on Hilliard next summer and I think he’s played well enough in the dleague to raise some interest. If the Spurs don’t give him a contract next summer he will be a FA and who knows what happens. With BP3, it seems they are aware that offensively he’s rather behind but are banking on him for some defense to back guys up through the season. They really need to make a decision on him as well.

Meantime White will be under team control for 4 years if they want him and projected to get a real look next summer league and next season.

The thing tgat upsets is that White has looked better than BP3 and Hilliard in extremely small samples so one thinks that if extraneous reasons weren’t intervening, he might have played more this season.

Obviously the Joff signing was a :rolleyes

[duncan2150]

I actually really liked how he played considering his lack of experience. He can score inside better than any other Spurs guard under 35. He's active around the boards, and he plays good D. It's practically criminal that he doesn't get more minutes. I understand that he was supposed to replace Green after a Kyrie trade, but Pop using guys like Paul and Hillard over Derrick is really making the pick look worse than it likely is in actuality. The team seems to have drafted a future rotation player, and that's good at 29. It's just a shame they didn't look harder for a big if they weren't going to draft Bell. Joff should be paying the Spurs to have him on the roster.


Completely agree with the spot and this part, i think he's better overall player than BP3 or Hilliard and also than Forbes who gets a lot of minutes.

[Drom John]

Or minutes on the court for Austin is better for White than minutes on San Antonio bench?

[Chinook]

Or minutes on the court for Austin is better for White than minutes on San Antonio bench?

I'm not sure I agree, but you can certainly make that argument. But I don't think that point holds in games where they have already recalled White. I could see putting him in Austin most of the time. But if he's active and with the big club, I think he should be playing.

[duncan2150]

Or minutes on the court for Austin is better for White than minutes on San Antonio bench?

Offcourse it's better to play in Austin than sitting on San Antonio bench but i think he could play 10-15 per night for the Spurs actually. For example Forbes is playing 20 minutes per game, put White in the same situation and i'm pretty confident he will be good.

[Seventyniner]

White's injury while Parker was out was extremely poor timing, similar to Murray's injury last year.

[spurs50_]

Please play this guy already.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's been the definition of average in the G-League. Not sure why people are clamoring for him. Must be his similar looks to Fathead I guess....

[jyra]

I don't even like White but I can't imagine playing him for more than 8 minutes could be a worse option than giving Forbes 41 minutes.

[SAGirl]

I don't even like White but I can't imagine playing him for more than 8 minutes could be a worse option than giving Forbes 41 minutes.
Indeed Jyra.

[r0drig0lac]

idk about white but would like to see Blossomgame get a chance in the Spurs

[TheGreatYacht]

Josh Hart is balling for the Lakers right now. Great job, Drunkford

[Robz4000]

Just don't ever see him being long for the Spurs. At least with Murray you knew/know the potential is there. White just feels like a panic pick when the Spurs' guy (Kuzma) got sniffed out and snatched by the Lakers. Feel much more intrigued by Blossomgame.

[TheGreatYacht]

This guy will be 28 years old when he hits free agency once his rookie contract is up :lol

I know RV will get a pass "because it was a late pick" and so forth... but there was so much talent available during that pick in this deep draft it's insane. Buddy won't see playing time anytime soon either with Murray and Mills here for the next 3-4 years and Parker publically stating he wants to play 5 more years with this reduced role.

Can't till Bron bron takes over as GM. He really can't do much worse.

[objective]

Josh Hart is balling for the Lakers right now. Great job, Drunkford

He would probably be in the gleague like White

[duncan2150]

We’ll talk about it when he will play some minutes like hart

[BackHome]

He's been the definition of average in the G-League. Not sure why people are clamoring for him. Must be his similar looks to Fathead I guess....

Your a fucking idiot have you even seen him play?

[TheGreatYacht]

Your a fucking idiot have you even seen him play?
You edit your comments and still can't get the proper "You're". You fucking idiot.

That comment was made a month ago when he was shitting it up. He's been better but his numbers are nothing to brag about. He's an old ass rookie with not much potential. Deal with it autist.

[Texas_Ranger]

The Spurs could have drafted shit and it would be the same.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Josh Hart is balling for the Lakers right now. Great job, Drunkford

I recalled there were many pre-draft predictions that the Spurs would pick Josh Hart, the poor man’s version of Malcolm Brogdon. Perhaps RC thought he could outsmart other GMs by picking White instead.

[BatManu20]

It's pretty simple. The Spurs took White because he was the BPA, at least in their mind. They reportedly were high on Kuzma, but he went a couple before us to LAL, so they took the guy who was next on our board. The pick only seems worse now because of Patty's contract and Forbes' success this season, but the kid can play. He's just not getting the opportunity here right now bc of the log-jam at PG. If you look at the rest of the draft, there's really not another player who would be on this roster right now and making a big difference.

Jordan Bell would never play here either bc he's a terrible offensive player who kills spacing. On a team that's already offensively-challenged at times, he wouldn't be getting many minutes here. He excels (at times) in limited minutes on GSW bc of who he has around him.

Josh Hart is averaging 6 pts on 46% shooting on a crappy team, hardly anything spectacular, and he's another undersized 2-Guard with a short wingspan. I'm sure people would bitch about him too had he been the pick.

And the only other player who was probably even considered was Dwayne Bacon, another role-playing 2-guard, who I doubt anybody here cares about, although I think he wouldn't have been a bad pick either.

Either way, the Spurs didn't have a lot of options where they picked. That's the price you pay for being a good team. So they picked a guy who they think might be able to help down the line, and who knows, maybe he will.

[monkeypunk]

Your a fucking idiot have you even seen him play?

This so much. The kid has more skills and moxie than a good chunk of the rotation.

[duncan2150]

It was against scrubs but you see that this guy can play, at least he could be better than forbes. Just Let this guy play a little and we'll see if it's a wasted pick.

[Chinook]

I loved the swagger than he showed in garbage time. His line would have been a lot better if Joff could catch. If only his offensive game could be transplanted into Murray's body...

[duncan2150]

I loved the swagger than he showed in garbage time. His line would have been a lot better if Joff could catch. If only his offensive game could be transplanted into Murray's body...

Agree With that

[Maddog]

It's pretty simple. The Spurs took White because he was the BPA, at least in their mind. They reportedly were high on Kuzma, but he went a couple before us to LAL, so they took the guy who was next on our board. The pick only seems worse now because of Patty's contract and Forbes' success this season, but the kid can play. He's just not getting the opportunity here right now bc of the log-jam at PG. If you look at the rest of the draft, there's really not another player who would be on this roster right now and making a big difference.

Jordan Bell would never play here either bc he's a terrible offensive player who kills spacing. On a team that's already offensively-challenged at times, he wouldn't be getting many minutes here. He excels (at times) in limited minutes on GSW bc of who he has around him.

Josh Hart is averaging 6 pts on 46% shooting on a crappy team, hardly anything spectacular, and he's another undersized 2-Guard with a short wingspan. I'm sure people would bitch about him too had he been the pick.

And the only other player who was probably even considered was Dwayne Bacon, another role-playing 2-guard, who I doubt anybody here cares about, although I think he wouldn't have been a bad pick either.

Either way, the Spurs didn't have a lot of options where they picked. That's the price you pay for being a good team. So they picked a guy who they think might be able to help down the line, and who knows, maybe he will.

The injury also set him back. He certainly looks like an NBA player. He may pan out he may not- but as you pointed out so well. Nobody drafted after him looks like a steal.

[south side spur]

His time has finally come.

[TDTPMG21920]

Should be playing more, can't believe that Hilliard scrub has gotten more minutes than him so far.

[objective]

"He needs to get himself. 30 year olds who worked their way from cooking school to one year of D-1 have ridiculous egos." - :pop:

[tholdren]

Shitty passer

[TheGreatYacht]

He's better than Mills though that's not saying much lmao...

[TimDunkem]

He's better than Mills though that's not saying much lmao...

Crater face won't play him in the playoffs when it counts. Book it.

"He's not ready. :pop:"

[Atl Spur]

He's just passive right now; once he gets comfortable hopefully that will change. He has skill though...

[MoSpur02]

Spurs need to let this kid develop. That means trade Mills in the offseason

[r0drig0lac]

It's good news how many free throws he got, even if he was not fast or athletic

[cd021]

It's good news how many free throws he got, even if he was not fast or athletic
He is actually a pretty decent athlete tbh

[cd021]

He's only played 120 minutes in Spurs 57 games, he's looked good in really limited minutes though. Fully expect him to take Forbes role next season when he isn't retained.

[duncan2150]

He is actually a pretty decent athlete tbh

I remember that he had pretty good results at the combine with a good agility lane.

i hope we’ll see more of him.

[cd021]

I remember that he had pretty good results at the combine with a good agility lane.

i hope we’ll see more of him.

His vert was apparently fairly high in relation to the rest of his draft class. His DX video says that he has surprising bursts of athleticism , iirc.

[spurs50_]

I don't think he'll be going to Austin anymore

[emanueldavidginobili]

That ISO on Draymond when he attacked the rim spun and finished with his left hand was impressive.

[MaNu4Tres]

4th best guard on the roster. Play him more, Pop.

Turned out being a solid pick with Tony & Patty predictably falling off cliffs.

[jyra]

Give him all of Forbes' minutes.

[r0drig0lac]

Give him all of Forbes' minutes.

[SAGirl]

Give him all of Forbes' minutes.

[TimDunkem]

Will turn out to be a decent pick if he pushes one or two of the bums ahead of him off the roster.

[TimDunkem]

Oh and


Give him all of Forbes' minutes.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I like him.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[BillMc]

"He needs to get himself. 30 year olds who worked their way from cooking school to one year of D-1 have ridiculous egos." - :pop:
:lol

[BillMc]

I loved the swagger than he showed in garbage time. His line would have been a lot better if Joff could catch. If only his offensive game could be transplanted into Murray's body...

Absolute truth

[SAGirl]

#PlayWhite

Popovich on Derrick White:
“I thought Derrick was really well composed. He was aggressive, showed a lot of maturity for a young guy, and hasn’t played much all year. Mostly played in the G League, been hurt a lot so I thought he did a really fine job. I was real pleased with him.”

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/warriors-122-spurs-105-what-did-they-say-after-the-game?utm_content=buffer13f2d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[ceperez]

That ISO on Draymond when he attacked the rim spun and finished with his left hand was impressive.

Yeah. Green couldn't find his man after that move!

[kobyz]

I recalled there were many pre-draft predictions that the Spurs would pick Josh Hart, the poor man’s version of Malcolm Brogdon. Perhaps RC thought he could outsmart other GMs by picking White instead.

Josh Heart is Mario Ellie clone...

[pookenstein]

#PlayWhite

Popovich on Derrick White:
“I thought Derrick was really well composed. He was aggressive, showed a lot of maturity for a young guy, and hasn’t played much all year. Mostly played in the G League, been hurt a lot so I thought he did a really fine job. I was real pleased with him.”

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/warriors-122-spurs-105-what-did-they-say-after-the-game?utm_content=buffer13f2d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


Kiss of death when Pop says things like this...?

[pookenstein]

He is actually a pretty decent athlete tbh

He looks exactly like Slowmo so maybe everybody just expected him to be equally unathletic...

[SAGirl]

Kiss of death when Pop says things like this...?
... yea... Pop rarely gives praise this enthusiastic so normally he would send back the rook to the Gleague and we don't see much of him again.

Only thing that helps him is the injury situation.

[south side spur]

https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Spurs-rookie-bides-time-then-earns-it-12605709.php

Spurs rookie bides time, then earns it
By Jeff McDonald (https://www.expressnews.com/author/jeff-mcdonald/)

He has set a new career scoring high in each game on the trek, with 10 points in 18 minutes of a 129-81 victory over Phoenix before supplying 11 points in 28 minutes at Golden State.

Those 21 points in the past two games were more than White had scored the rest of the season combined (17).
White’s teammates acknowledge they haven’t seen much of the rookie guard’s game this season. What little they have seen is encouraging.

“He has a knack for scoring,” Manu Ginobili said of the 23-year-old from Colorado. “He’s not the most athletic. He’s not the best shooter. But he’s a threat. He can score.”

White has spent much of his time burning up Interstate 35 between San Antonio and Austin, averaging 15.7 points in 13 G League appearances.

When White rejoined the Spurs, he came back a more confident player. He credits his time in Austin, where the Spurs’ G League affiliate runs the same system as the NBA club, with helping him acclimate.
“It helps me stay in rhythm, stay in shape,” White said. “It helps to play. My time in Austin has been beneficial knowing what works and what doesn’t work.”

[SAGirl]

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[Mr. Body]

I think his learning curve will be a lot shorter than many players.

[CGD]

Yes! Really like this kid

[tbdog]

Always looks in control. He actually reminds me of Nash. Last season I thought he had a similar game style as Roy, but more I look at him, he controls his dribble and his shooting stroke is very Nash like.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Seemed an underwhelming choice when they picked him but he really looks like a legit NBA player. Smooth scorer, good at PnR, decent shooter. Looks like someone who'll have a 10+ year career in the NBA, even as a 6/7th man, and this is great value so late in the draft.

[RGMCSE]

Always looks in control. He actually reminds me of Nash. Last season I thought he had a similar game style as Roy, but more I look at him, he controls his dribble and his shooting stroke is very Nash like.

Wouldnt that be amazing if he was a Nash clone.

[cutewizard]

1014494259972489216

:bobo

[cutewizard]

Good attitude too. Hope he spends majority of his career as a Spur.

[SAGirl]

I couldn't resist. It's just too funny.
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[DJR210]

That jumper is only gonna get better too :tu

[SpursDynasty85]

Derrick, Murray, Green, Gay, Aldridge best line up!

[BlackSilver]

Nice handles. Is it me, or does his release seem a tad slow for the NBA?

[cd98]

Keys.

[monkeypunk]

I love this kid and hope he takes all the Forbes/TP/Mills minutes.

[TD 21]

Despite probably being the best guard on the roster, if Ginobili doesn't retire, they'll need to trade either Mills or Green, likely in conjunction with Leonard, to create room in the rotation . . .

Leonard?, Covington or Ingram/Belinelli
Green/Ginobili? or White
Murray (Fultz?)/Mills

[LittleCriminal]

Anyone think White will take over Murray's starting position this season??

[tholdren]

Anyone think White will take over Murray's starting position this season??

One can dream. Cross fingers patfo package kl murray

[BSfromTX]

White needs a lot of minutes. Dude is playin pretty good

[lmbebo]

Nice handles. Is it me, or does his release seem a tad slow for the NBA?

was thinking opposite

[BSfromTX]

Good release... looks kinda slow but it’s high and he creates good space for it

[SpursDynasty85]

Pop in his conference stated Tony had to move on and Spurs had to play their younger players..

In order as he said it "Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Bryn Forbes, and so forth..."

Hope this means Derrick White is legit back up pg. Patty Mills was our designation shooting gaurd and even said in an interview he appreciated have a set position now. He is our SG. Our back up is probably Belli and Lonnie (obviously left out) is probably in the G League next year.

[DAF86]

If White isn't a rotation player this season, I'm gonna lose it, tbh.

[Ellsworth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqL39syqOw

[BatManu20]

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[cutewizard]

:bobo


Court General of the Spurs future

[cutewizard]

SPURS DEATH LINE UP:

ALPHA LAMARCUS.........!!!!!!!!!!!!

BATMAN RUDY GAY..........!!!!!!!!!!

STAR WING DEROZAN......!!!!!!!!!!!

POINT GOD TO BE WHITE......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL NBA DEFENDER MURRAY.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and thats the bottomline, coz thats the bottomline, hahahahahahha

[TimmyBuckets]

Great stuff on White from PtR. He def has a better traditional PG skillset compared to DJ, and can shoot. Hopefully he can translate to the NBA and get more minutes

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/8/20/17679628/derrick-whites-versatility-san-antonio-spurs-rotation

[SpursDynasty85]

SPURS DEATH LINE UP:

ALPHA LAMARCUS.........!!!!!!!!!!!!

BATMAN RUDY GAY..........!!!!!!!!!!

STAR WING DEROZAN......!!!!!!!!!!!

POINT GOD TO BE WHITE......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL NBA DEFENDER MURRAY.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and thats the bottomline, coz thats the bottomline, hahahahahahha
Also:

White
DeRozan
Bertans
Gay
Aldridge

[cutewizard]

A cager who has exceeded expectations.......

[cutewizard]

Hope White and Murray can co exist......

[TD 21]

White to attend USA World Cup qualifying training camp . . .

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/09/mwcq-sept-players.aspx

[BillMc]

I have to admit, I like him more than DJ. He may not be the athlete DJ is, but he is a pretty good athlete himself. And clearly has more PG instincts. Will be interesting to see how this develops as their careers go forward. Like when we had Patty, DeColo, Corey, and Neal all on the team as "heirs-apparent" to Tony. Time will solve these issues.

[BackHome]

White is good so a lot of him in Austin and the dude can play

[4lifecowboy]

White fills the Manu role, ball handler on the second unit. Pair him with Mills.

[Dex]

White to attend USA World Cup qualifying training camp . . .

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/09/mwcq-sept-players.aspx

Pretty impressive considering he has played limited NBA minutes.

[DJR210]

I have to admit, I like him more than DJ. He may not be the athlete DJ is, but he is a pretty good athlete himself. And clearly has more PG instincts. Will be interesting to see how this develops as their careers go forward. Like when we had Patty, DeColo, Corey, and Neal all on the team as "heirs-apparent" to Tony. Time will solve these issues.

Worst case DJ has a very successful YouTube page to fall back on :tu

[Nivek_ogre]

I really think white and Murray should be our backcourt. They compliment each other and could be a good defensive tandem. Derozan can play small forward.

[sasaint]

I really think white and Murray should be our backcourt. They compliment each other and could be a good defensive tandem. Derozan can play small forward.

I believe the Spurs will have that trio playing together a lot.

[dbestpro]

Pretty impressive considering he has played limited NBA minutes.

Most of the players have limited NBA minutes.

[BillMc]

Worst case DJ has a very successful YouTube page to fall back on :tu

:lol:bobo

[SpurSpike]

Looks like he made the Team USA World Cup qualifying team!

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-White-named-to-World-Cup-team-13224435.php

[exstatic]

Looks like he made the Team USA World Cup qualifying team!

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-White-named-to-World-Cup-team-13224435.php

It's a team of d-league scrubs and borderline NBAers. It would only be news if he didn't make it.

[SpursDynasty85]

It's a team of d-league scrubs and borderline NBAers. It would only be news if he didn't make it.

But it should be great experience. I am sure Pop had a say in White being there. Looks like he might be the leader of that team.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

:pop: White as not earned a rotation spot over Forbe's.

[Chinook]

:pop: White as not earned a rotation spot over Forbe's.

It's a bit of a concern, given that White is apparently still acting like an out-of-rotation d-leaguer.

[DAF86]

If Forbes is ahead of White on the rotation to start the season, I'm gonna lose my shit. :lol

[BackHome]

White is so much better then Forbes not even close.

[SpursDynasty85]

White is so much better then Forbes not even close.

Forbes is a specialist. People complaining about his 1st year of real playing time are too harsh. Nobody shot well last year. Forbes still lead the team in 3 pt %. He is a good weapon to have incase pf injury/matchups.

[Dejounte]

It's a bit of a concern, given that White is apparently still acting like an out-of-rotation d-leaguer.
How is he acting like so?

[Chinook]

How is he acting like so?

I'm not talking about his personality or anything. USANT is now filled with d-leaguers outside of Olympic years. The release said White was one of only nine guys who played any NBA minutes to be on the team. Hopefully, White is a solid NBA rotation player by the time that tourney rolls around and not in the class of the rest of the team. It would be like confirming right now that White will play in next year's summer league or something.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm not talking about his personality or anything. USANT is now filled with d-leaguers outside of Olympic years. The release said White was one of only nine guys who played any NBA minutes to be on the team. Hopefully, White is a solid NBA rotation player by the time that tourney rolls around and not in the class of the rest of the team. It would be like confirming right now that White will play in next year's summer league or something.

Who cares what the perception is? He is on his rookie contract either way and this is a great way to develop as a player during the offseasons. This may be a way to get a foot in the door for any scrimmages and practices against the Olympic teams. Things like that must work wonders for players confidence. I remember Kawhi was a surprise standout for the 2012 Olympic practice team squad. I would hate for him to pass up opportunities like this because of perception or pride. That's how USA lost world and then the Olympics in 2002 and 2004 as well. I'm sure Pop convinced him of the positives for him.

[Chinook]

Who cares what the perception is? He is on his rookie contract either way and this is a great way to develop as a player during the offseasons. This may be a way to get a foot in the door for any scrimmages and practices against the Olympic teams. Things like that must work wonders for players confidence. I remember Kawhi was a surprise standout for the 2012 Olympic practice team squad. I would hate for him to pass up opportunities like this because of perception or pride. That's how USA lost world and then the Olympics in 2002 and 2004 as well. I'm sure Pop convinced him of the positives for him.

It's not about how the average fan views him. It's how Pop views him. White's not a d-leaguer. He shouldn't be on this squad anymore than say Bryn Forbes should.

[SpursDynasty85]

It's not about how the average fan views him. It's how Pop views him. White's not a d-leaguer. He shouldn't be on this squad anymore than say Bryn Forbes should.

Pop is the head coach for both national team and spurs, I'm sure he approves of this. If I had to guess Pop would respond to you by saying why is this event only for DLeaguers?

Like I mentioned before it's a bad precedent to think players are too good for national team qualifying events. Hence what happened in 02 and 04.

[Chinook]

Pop is the head coach for both national team and spurs, I'm sure he approves of this. If I had to guess Pop would respond to you by saying why is this event only for DLeaguers?

Like I mentioned before it's a bad precedent to think players are too good for national team qualifying events. Hence what happened in 02 and 04.

Why do you think White was even trying out for the team rather than the main players? Why do you think the last tourney was played by all guys without NBA contracts? Why do you think Van Gundy is coaching rather than Pop? Whether you want to say it's because they're "too good" or because the NBA and FIBA have changed the standards for who plays in international ball. The answer is the same.

[SpursDynasty85]

Why do you think White was even trying out for the team rather than the main players? Why do you think the last tourney was played by all guys without NBA contracts? Why do you think Van Gundy is coaching rather than Pop? Whether you want to say it's because they're "too good" or because the NBA and FIBA have changed the standards for who plays in international ball. The answer is the same.

Lol. Derrick White hasn't even played a full season of NBA basketball yet you think he deserves a shot at the actual world cup qualifying team? Yes, the perception what you say might be true for NBA players but that is not the case for coaches. If your Van Gundy do you not get excited about a guy like Derrick White coming in to want to play for the National Team. Its partly about building a program up, starts at every level. You are the one questioning guys wanting to step up and play for their nation? Derrick White should be an example for both players and coach's perceptions.

If you remember, Popovich has always encouraged his players to do national activities in the offseason, especially the young ones. It's a much safer way of staying in shape and staying in rhythm for the regular season.

Let's not glare over the fact that Van Gundy is a high level NBA coach. If they were not taking the qualifiers seriously, I doubt they choose Van Gundy as the coach either.

[Chinook]

Lol. Derrick White hasn't even played a full season of NBA basketball yet you think he deserves a shot at the actual world cup qualifying team? Yes, the perception what you say might be true for NBA players but that is not the case for coaches. If your Van Gundy do you not get excited about a guy like Derrick White coming in to want to play for the National Team. Its partly about building a program up, starts at every level. You are the one questioning guys wanting to step up and play for their nation? Derrick White should be an example for both players and coach's perceptions.

If you remember, Popovich has always encouraged his players to do national activities in the offseason, especially the young ones. It's a much safer way of staying in shape and staying in rhythm for the regular season.

Fuck, man. It's not about "wanting to" play for the national team or being too good. There are plenty of guys below the first tier of players who would probably be happy playing for the USANT. But are they on the team? No. Why? It's not because of they would get a negative perception, like you keep trying to make this. We aren't hearing about Murray playing or any of the top rookies. Is it because none of them are patriotic? Or because Pop and Van Gundy wouldn't want them? No. It's disturbing that you think all the stars just decided to not play at the same time.

[SpursDynasty85]

Fuck, man. It's not about "wanting to" play for the national team or being too good. There are plenty of guys below the first tier of players who would probably be happy playing for the USANT. But are they on the team? No. Why? It's not because of they would get a negative perception, like you keep trying to make this. We aren't hearing about Murray playing or any of the top rookies. Is it because none of them are patriotic? Or because Pop and Van Gundy wouldn't want them? No. It's disturbing that you think all the stars just decided to not play at the same time.

Ok. First off you were the one questioning Pop's perception of Derrick White. It's not far fetched that a lot of NBA players might've passed up on this qualifying tournament. It's sort of been a theme to pass up on the Olympics and the World Cup tournaments in the past let alone the qualifying events. It may have historically been of lesser talent but this is Pop's first year as the head coach and leader of USA basketball. Is it a coincidence that Derrick White and Van Gundy are about to team up together this year? Probably not.

I look at all this as a positive for Derrick White. Pop thinks so highly of Derrick he decided to put Derrick in a position to be a leader of a Van Gundy coached team for the pride of a country.

With your original remark it may as well have been interpreted as "Pop thinks Derrick White sucks".

[Chinook]

Ok. First off you were the one questioning Pop's perception of Derrick White. It's not far fetched that a lot of NBA players might've passed up on this qualifying tournament. It's sort of been a theme to pass up on the Olympics and the World Cup tournaments in the past let alone the qualifying events. It may have historically been of lesser talent but this is Pop's first year as the head coach and leader of USA basketball. Is it a coincidence that Derrick White and Van Gundy are about to team up together this year? Probably not.

To the bolded part, no. It hasn't been a theme since the Dream Team. In the last World Cup, Harden, Davis, Cousins and the Splash Bros all played. It wasn't the full A-Team, but you definitely had All-Stars. Four years earlier, you had Durant, Curry, Westbrook, Love, Iggy and others. Had there not been a concerted effort to change the makeup of the team, you would have seen a smattering of All-Stars and lesser stars. Anyway, this is Pop's second year as the coach. Van Gundy coached a team of d-leaguers to the Americas championship last season. That tourney was played in the middle of the NBA year. That was not an accident; it was part of a joint decision to limit the USA's natural advantage over the rest of the world, while also reducing the pressure for international NBA players to play for their teams every summer.


I look at all this as a positive for Derrick White. Pop thinks so highly of Derrick he decided to put Derrick in a position to be a leader of a Van Gundy coached team for the pride of a country.

With your original remark it may as well have been interpreted as "Pop thinks Derrick White sucks".

I don't have anything against White getting time. I wish it would happen earlier as to give him time to rest before camp, but he's certainly still young enough. I don't like the idea of White being seen in the same light as an expendable d-leaguer. This is the squad:


The USA roster is capped by Bryce Alford (Oklahoma City Blue); Dwayne Bacon (Charlotte Hornets); Henry Ellenson (Detroit Pistons); Reggie Hearn (Grand Rapids Drive); Isaiah Hicks (New York Knicks); Dakari Johnson (Free Agent); Frank Mason III (Sacramento Kings); Ben Moore (Fort Wayne Mad Ants); Chasson Randle (Capital City Go-Go); Travis Trice (Milwaukee Bucks); Jameel Warney (Texas Legends); and Derrick White (San Antonio Spurs).

https://www.nba.com/bucks/news/usa-mens-world-cup-qualifying-team-announced-september-games

White could easily be in the top half of the rotation in total minutes played next season. My concern is that Pop doesn't see it that way and considers him a fringe rotation guy like pretty much everyone else on that list. For me, White joining the squad gives me a reason to watch those games next year. That's not the problem. Him not playing next season and having to watch Forbes run the point is.

[SpursDynasty85]

To the bolded part, no. It hasn't been a theme since the Dream Team. In the last World Cup, Harden, Davis, Cousins and the Splash Bros all played. It wasn't the full A-Team, but you definitely had All-Stars. Four years earlier, you had Durant, Curry, Westbrook, Love, Iggy and others. Had there not been a concerted effort to change the makeup of the team, you would have seen a smattering of All-Stars and lesser stars. Anyway, this is Pop's second year as the coach. Van Gundy coached a team of d-leaguers to the Americas championship last season. That tourney was played in the middle of the NBA year. That was not an accident; it was part of a joint decision to limit the USA's natural advantage over the rest of the world, while also reducing the pressure for international NBA players to play for their teams every summer.



I don't have anything against White getting time. I wish it would happen earlier as to give him time to rest before camp, but he's certainly still young enough. I don't like the idea of White being seen in the same light as an expendable d-leaguer. This is the squad:



https://www.nba.com/bucks/news/usa-mens-world-cup-qualifying-team-announced-september-games

White could easily be in the top half of the rotation in total minutes played next season. My concern is that Pop doesn't see it that way and considers him a fringe rotation guy like pretty much everyone else on that list. For me, White joining the squad gives me a reason to watch those games next year. That's not the problem. Him not playing next season and having to watch Forbes run the point is.

Interesting. Cool info. I agree that this isn't too taxing for a 25 year old. If you expected Derrick White to play starter minutes in the beginning of the season, I'd say that was pretty ambitious. The log jam at the gaurd position for the Spurs is pretty obvious especially once they resigned Belli. Of Pop wants to field the best team possible, White was going to have to clearly out play DJ, Mills, and Belli which isn't impossible but unlikely during White's second year. Nobody on the Spurs play anywhere near 40 mpg anymore. Most 25 year olds wish they could play those 40 mpg. For White anything near 20 mpg for the Spurs should be considered a win imo. As he, Walker, and DJ grow Belli and Mill should be fazed out over the next 3 years. Sooner the better but unlikely in year 1.

[BackHome]

It’s good for White he gets to bond with Pop and gets to play against against good competitors.

[exstatic]

Why do you think White was even trying out for the team rather than the main players? Why do you think the last tourney was played by all guys without NBA contracts? Why do you think Van Gundy is coaching rather than Pop? Whether you want to say it's because they're "too good" or because the NBA and FIBA have changed the standards for who plays in international ball. The answer is the same.

FIBA changed the dates for the qualifying, not any kind of standards. They dropped it right in the middle of NBA training camp. Most NBA coaches wouldn't let their players participate. That's why the pool of players is what it is. It's also not critical. There are 16 teams from the Americas that will be narrowed down to 7 for next year's world cup tournament.

[exstatic]

It’s good for White he gets to bond with Pop and gets to play against against good competitors.

Pop's not coaching that team, JVG is.

[Pavlov]

Weird that anyone would consider selection to Team USA a bad thing.

[SAGirl]

White could easily be in the top half of the rotation in total minutes played next season. My concern is that Pop doesn't see it that way and considers him a fringe rotation guy like pretty much everyone else on that list. For me, White joining the squad gives me a reason to watch those games next year. That's not the problem. Him not playing next season and having to watch Forbes run the point is.

It's a concern. The tournament also has marginal players on the international side as well. No one who is a rotation player in the NBA is participating in that. As you mentioned, it seems to be designed that way to relieve pressure on NBA players from participating. I do question whether Pop doesn't expect White to be a rotation player this season.

[Chinook]

FIBA changed the dates for the qualifying, not any kind of standards. They dropped it right in the middle of NBA training camp. Most NBA coaches wouldn't let their players participate. That's why the pool of players is what it is. It's also not critical. There are 16 teams from the Americas that will be narrowed down to 7 for next year's world cup tournament.

FIBA changed their dates after consulting with the NBA. Imagine if they had done this a few years ago when the Argentine team was still a medal contender. Without their NBA players, it would have been really difficult for that club to have qualified.

I also don't get why the games not being critical makes it better for White to be there.

[Degoat]

I could be mistaken but I remember hearing around the time of USA training camp in Vegas that they were worried that the team might not qualify for the basketball World Cup. Jeff Van Gundy who is coaching the team said each game they play is seriously like a game 7 in the nba playoffs, it’s that important. Since Pop is the head coach of USA maybe he wanted to send a player that is a bit better then the rest of the team to assure that they win and the U.S qualifies.

[Pavlov]

It's two games and his commitment is over Monday. This is the best time for a young NBA player to participate. Classic ST overanalysis.

[SAGirl]

IMO, no doubt it will be a great experience, and considering White's humble basketball beginnings (not getting a scholarship to a Div. 1 school and having to prove himself + transferring, I bet he personally is honored and excited about this challenge to continue to prove himself.)

It's really not about that, but a risk for injury so close to the start of training camp and the season, and him missing the scrimmage type of preparation + bonding that players go through in the 2-3 weeks prior to training camp, since most of them are already training with their clubs ...

It doesn't matter if he's a rotation player next season, just Pop thinking he can be risked like that bc he got Forbes is ????

[Pavlov]

IMO, no doubt it will be a great experience, and considering White's humble basketball beginnings (not getting a scholarship to a Div. 1 school and having to prove himself + transferring, I bet he personally is honored and excited about this challenge to continue to prove himself.)

It's really not about that, but a risk for injury so close to the start of training camp and the season, and him missing the scrimmage type of preparation + bonding that players go through in the 2-3 weeks prior to training camp, since most of them are already training with their clubs ...

It doesn't matter if he's a rotation player next season, just Pop thinking he can be risked like that bc he got Forbes is ????This is ridiculous. Dude volunteers to train with and play for JVG on the national team for a total of two weeks that ends a week before training camp and you're taking it as a sign Pop doesn't want him in the rotation.

[SAGirl]

no, taking it as a sign that he's not a given in the rotation, thus expendable. If he were to need to miss time, it would be no biggie.

[Pavlov]

no, taking it as a sign that he's not a given in the rotation, thus expendable. If he were to need to miss time, it would be no biggie.Equally ridiculous.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm in the camp this will be good for Derrick White. Now that I know his commitment is over 1 week before training camp, this seems like the best way to be ready for training camp. He will be in better game ready mode by training camp and should compete for a spot in the rotation which is what training camp and preseason is for. Incredible opportunity to play intense games with JVG coaching.

Not to mention if he impresses the coaches on opportunities like this his name may come up more often in the future for even bigger tournaments. Hopefully things go smooth li y and his game and confidence grows from this experience.

[SAGirl]

Equally ridiculous.
:dramaquee

[Chinook]

This is ridiculous. Dude volunteers to train with and play for JVG on the national team for a total of two weeks that ends a week before training camp and you're taking it as a sign Pop doesn't want him in the rotation.

So no one "better" than White volunteered? No American star decided two games were worth playing even though the US still needs to qualify for the World Cup? That doesn't make a ton of sense.

[Pavlov]

:dramaqueeYes, the drama queening over two weeks of a 24 year old's summer is silly.

[SpursDynasty85]

So no one "better" than White volunteered? No American star decided two games were worth playing even though the US still needs to qualify for the World Cup? That doesn't make a ton of sense.

I smell Pop putting Derrick's name in the pot because of the great opportunity for him. Derrick White is fighting for playing time wherever he goes. I guess you guys have a different outlook for Derrick or have an unrealistic expectation that Derrick White should be considered some tenured NBA player. He's going to have to have. A blue collar work ethic to stay in the NBA period. No illusions. He's not a made super star.

They could also be confident in there team especially with Derrick White in the lineup.

[Pavlov]

So no one "better" than White volunteered? No American star decided two games were worth playing even though the US still needs to qualify for the World Cup? That doesn't make a ton of sense.So what does make sense to you is that White won't be a rotation player because he's playing two games in September. :tu

[DAF86]

So what does make sense to you is that White won't be a rotation player because he's playing two games in September. :tu

Who do you think will be in the rotation, White or Forbes?

[Pavlov]

Who do you think will be in the rotation, White or Forbes?Don't know.

Barring some injury, the next three days will not determine that IMO.

[DAF86]

Don't know.

Barring some injury, the next three days will not determine that IMO.

So, all this time when you were saying "relax, White will play" you weren't saying that because you thought White would be a rotation player, but just because, with all the resting and possible injuries, he would eventually get playing time in some parts of the season?

[Pavlov]

So, all this time when you were saying "relax, White will play" you weren't saying that because you thought White would be a rotation player, but just because, with all the resting and possible injuries, he would eventually get playing time in some parts of the season?I don't know for sure, I think he will be a rotation player. Over Forbes? Who's to say they can't both play?

I think his participation in two games has zero to do with the decision and people who do are being silly.

Relax, White will play.

[ceperez]

Who do you think will be in the rotation, White or Forbes?

Both. White is a better PG. Forbes is a better shooter.

To be honest, Forbes played 80 games last year and started in 12. So PATFO is already sold on him to play in the rotation.

The most natural point guard on the team is White. Murray be the designated PG, but until he lowers his dribble and can shoot, there will be opportunity for White.

Last year Spurs had Parker, Ginobilli and even Anderson to play PG duties. None of them are back.

It's sink or swim, Murray, White or Forbes will need to learn how to play the position.

I recall Parker in one of his tweets saying that this is White's opportunity to step up.

[Chinook]

So what does make sense to you is that White won't be a rotation player because he's playing two games in September. :tu

You could try answering questions instead of making dump assumptions.

[TimDunkem]

White will be behind Forbes to start the season because Forbes was here first. "It wouldn't be fair to others, blah, blah" and all that.

White will probably surpass Forbes in the rotation relatively soon considering Forbes is complete dogshit, but the initial rotation is not some big mystery. We know how Pop works, people. Classic Spurstalk overanalysis indeed.

[DAF86]

I don't know for sure, I think he will be a rotation player. Over Forbes? Who's to say they can't both play?

The unnecessary Belli signing.


I think his participation in two games has zero to do with the decision and people who do are being silly.

I agree.


Relax, White will play.

You know or not. Make up your mind, tbh.