Woj:Patty Mills has agreed to a 4-year, $50M deal to stay with San Antonio

[TimDunkem]

Oooooh ahhhhhh he took 3 mill less a year. Such a big discount to tie up money with 4 PG's plus Manu and Forbes!

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone who doesn't see that Mills actually took a discount on this deal is munted. He was projecting at 15-17 per according to Bobby Marks and co.
Jeff Teague got 19M/yr, and he's 3x the PG Patty is.

Besides standing in the corner with his hands up ready to chuck, what other skill set does Mills have? Be real with yourself

[Ice009]

Anyone who doesn't see that Mills actually took a discount on this deal is munted. He was projecting at 15-17 per according to Bobby Marks and co.

serious question - if Mills wasn't Australian, would you even give a fuck about him?

[benfti]

Don't sign him at all. That was the best option, or wait a see if you can get any of your other targets, if not, give him a big 1 year contract. I really don't know if he'd even be tradeable later on down the line.
Or do wait, Patty goes, the market dries up and we go into next season with Raymond Felton with a face full of tacos. Is no one here looking at the NBA landscape over the last two years? I don't think so. That's a good team friendly deal in just the right dollar amount to trade if it doesn't work out, much like Elnono is saying. I thought it was obvious? He performs at that money he is hugely desirable, he doesn't it's the prefect absorb Salary type deal that bottoming teams like.

[TimDunkem]

Or do wait, Patty goes, the market dries up and we go into next season with Raymond Felton with a face full of tacos. Is no one here looking at the NBA landscape over the last two years? I don't think so. That's a good team friendly deal in just the right dollar amount to trade if it doesn't work out, much like Elnono is saying. I thought it was obvious? He performs at that money he is hugely desirable, he doesn't it's the prefect absorb Salary type deal that bottoming teams like.
He fucking peaked in 2014. We didn't need him for four more years to disappear in the playoffs when it counts. That money could've been better spent elsewhere. He's redundant.

[benfti]

serious question - if Mills wasn't Australian, would you even give a fuck about him? hell yeah, he is one of the most fun to watch players in the league. What I like the most is that he is a Spurs guy, and we keep Spurs guys around for less than they would get else where. The guy is loyal and scrote cheeses around here take a shit in there hands. 12 mill is fuck all

[benfti]

He fucking peaked in 2014. We didn't need him for four more years to disappear in the playoffs when it counts. That money could've been better spent elsewhere. He's redundant.
Spent where?

[TheGreatYacht]

hell yeah, he is one of the most fun to watch players in the league. What I like the most is that he is a Spurs guy, and we keep Spurs guys around for less than they would get else where. The guy is loyal and scrote cheeses around here take a shit in there hands. 12 mill is fuck all

Besides standing in the corner with his hands up ready to chuck, what other skill set does Mills have? Be real with yourself
Answer the question, mate.

[TimDunkem]

Spent where?
Anywhere but at PG unless you were upgrading. You just know TP is coming back anyway. Can't wait for Murray to be stifled again.

[Ice009]

Or do wait, Patty goes, the market dries up and we go into next season with Raymond Felton with a face full of tacos. Is no one here looking at the NBA landscape over the last two years? I don't think so. That's a good team friendly deal in just the right dollar amount to trade if it doesn't work out, much like Elnono is saying. I thought it was obvious? He performs at that money he is hugely desirable, he doesn't it's the prefect absorb Salary type deal that bottoming teams like.

I'd actually like to see a list of players that average 6ppg in the playoffs that are getting paid 12+ Million. Patty's got to be down the lower end of that list. What he was making previously is what he was worth, but with this increasing salary cap you could maybe up that to 6-8 million max. He wasn't worth a cent more than that. You let some other bottom feeding team pay more if they wanted him. Spurs tied up money for nothing.

6 points per fucking game career playoff average. Awesome.

[objective]

Name a higher paid per-year-average back up point guard.

[cutewizard]

With the talent spread elsewhere, no one can beat the Warriors anytime soon......

sad

[Rito3d30]

Patty's deal seems reasonable when Tony Snell got 46M/4

[szkorhetz]

Name a higher paid per-year-average back up point guard.

Rivers?

[Austin_Toros]

$50M for throwing up bricks...

[benfti]

I'd actually like to see a list of players that average 6ppg in the playoffs that are getting paid 12+ Million. Patty's got to be down the lower end of that list. What he was making previously is what he was worth, but with this increasing salary cap you could maybe up that to 6-8 million max. He wasn't worth a cent more than that. You let some other bottom feeding team pay more if they wanted him. Spurs tied up money for nothing.

6 points per fucking game career playoff average. Awesome.

Most pg in that price range are on teams that don't make the playoffs.

[TimDunkem]

Most pg in that price range are on teams that don't make the playoffs.
Now we locked up a guy who, at this point, has no business playing a huge roll on a contender for four years. :lol

[benfti]

Patty's deal seems reasonable when Tony Snell got 46M/4 hey, fact based logic is not welcome around here, every guy is we want takes heavy discounts to come, and the guys we do have are over paid

[TimDunkem]

At least Snell plays D. The Bucks also don't have a logjam at the 3. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Fuck. Now we're comparing ourselves to teams like the Bucks.

"At least we're not as incompetent as those guys!" :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Patty's deal seems reasonable when Tony Snell got 46M/4
One bad contract doesn't justify another. Shaun Livingston, who is better, could've been had for way less.

[TimDunkem]

One bad contract doesn't justify another. Shaun Livingston, who is better, could've been had for way less.
Can't wait to watch him eat Fatty alive again, shooting jumpers over his helpless over-extended arms.

If the Spurs even get that far next season. :lol

[Ice009]

I would have rather had Tony Snell at his salary than Patty - And that's saying a lot. Patty's too short and his defense is non-existent. I always prefer guards/wings with size that can play defense. Patty is neither. Really horrible signing. I just did not want him back at all.

[benfti]

Now we locked up a guy who, at this point, has no business playing a huge roll on a contender for four years. :lol
Do you have all your fingers and toes?

[ceperez]

Sounds steep, but honestly, Mills is the heart and soul of the team. With Manu and Parker likely both out the door next year, who else is going to define the culture?

Kawhi doesn't it quietly, but Mills is more vocal as what needs to be done.

[benfti]

With the talent spread elsewhere, no one can beat the Warriors anytime soon......

sad
Yeah, and there is that.

[Ice009]

I also need to add - If he was a beast defender like Patrick Beverly, then I wouldn't be too worried about his ppg at all. I can always overlook that if the defense is there. Since scoring is Patty's only thing, it's magnified, and in the playoffs he's not very good at it. I really don't know what the Spurs were thinking with this signing.

[ceperez]

I would have rather had Tony Snell at his salary than Patty - And that's saying a lot. Patty's too short and his defense is non-existent. I always prefer guards/wings with size that can play defense. Patty is neither. Really horrible signing. I just did not want him back at all.

I agree with you that Patty is too short.

Spurs paid up for the intangibles. The stuff he does off court.

[objective]

Rivers?

Nope. 3/35. And he's more of a combo guard, playing more minutes than Mills.

Mills can't guard him either.

[TimDunkem]

Heart and soul of shooting 21% against the Warriors and 23% against the Thunder. :lmao

[Ice009]

I hope I cool down at some point as Mills is a cool guy and tremendous teammate, but yeah, every time I see the amount of money and years attached to it, I instantly get angry again.

[TimDunkem]

Nope. 3/35. And he's more of a combo guard, playing more minutes than Mills.

Mills can't guard him either.
Almost forgot a younger, green Austin Rivers lit him up too. Fuck. :lmao

[Ice009]

Almost forgot green Austin Rivers lit him up too. Fuck. :lmao

That was when Austin Rivers sucked ass and couldn't light up hardly anyone. He was on the verge of his NBA career being on the line. He has improved a lot since then. I'd say that series was a little coming out party for him. It was at the expense of Mills too.

Unbelievable. I need to get out of here for a while.

[TimDunkem]

That was when Austin Rivers sucked ass and couldn't light up too many other players in the NBA. He has improved a lot since then. I'd say that series was a little coming out party for him. It was at the expense of Mills too.

Unbelievable. I need to get out of here for a while.
We can thank Mills for instilling so much confidence in him.

[benfti]

Answer the question, mate. to answer this autistic gold fishes question. He spaces the fucking floor, he is one best movers without the ball in the league, unlike Parker his TIP and usage rate are extremely low for the offensive production.

Fucking dicks, you seem to think both

a) a back up point guard should be able to contain a two time MVP
b) 12 million will absolutely buy someone who can.

idiots

GSW had their best back court defender taking Mills in that series. There is a reason for that.

[ceperez]

I actually like the deal, it makes both basketball and payroll sense. We felt what the market was like on guys like Hill and Lowry, nothing doing so we sign Patty to a under market value tradable contract, parkers contract comes of the books at the end of next season. Patty assumes the lead vet guard role while the two grommets continue to develop while Parker is healing. When Parker comes back if he isn't up to it or is slow to come on you still have a 9 year vet who is able to hold the fort. Next season we can move TP or he retires and we can move Patty back to back up behind which ever of the young guys has improved the most. That bench will be minus Manu so we keep the Spurs leadership in th second unit with Mills. By year three if mills is declining his deal becomes a tradable one for a team looking to absorb cash.

there was not one better option at point guard on the market for 12 million. Not one.

name one?

If we were to evaluate Patty based on basketball metrics, Spurs definitely should have treated him like they treated Gary Neal. Have him find a contract in the free market.

Spurs however have a lot of respect as to what Patty brings to to the team in terms of 'intangibles' that they decided not only to pay premium but also to sign him up quickly.

If Spurs are going to continue to win, they need the right culture in their team and with the departure of the old guys, there's not many left who can promote that. Too bad its an undersized guard.

[TimDunkem]

Explain his meltdown against the Thunder again going up against Cameron fucking Payne. :lmao

Also, in that first game against the Warriors, with Kawhi in most of the game getting him open looks, he was 1 for fucking 8. 0 of 6 from three. :lol

[benfti]

That was when Austin Rivers sucked ass and couldn't light up hardly anyone. He was on the verge of his NBA career being on the line. He has improved a lot since then. I'd say that series was a little coming out party for him. It was at the expense of Mills too.

Unbelievable. I need to get out of here for a while.
While you are out you might want to look up the stats for that series

[TimDunkem]

^Even when he's shooting well, he's giving up as many points as he gives you. :lol

[Ice009]

While you are out you might want to look up the stats for that series

It was Patty's best series. I've seen his stats for that one a long while ago, but Rivers also played better than he ever had in his NBA life up to that point. There was no defensive resistance whatsoever that allowed that to happen IMO.

[objective]

Explain his meltdown against the Thunder again going up against Cameron fucking Payne. :lmao

Also, in that first game against the Warriors, with Kawhi in most of the game getting him open looks, he was 1 for fucking 8. 0 of 6 from three. :lol

-15 in a game they lost by 2

LMAO

Highest paid culture of all time!

[TimDunkem]

-15 in a game they lost by 2

LMAO

Highest paid culture of all time!
If only Patty had it in him to hit only one of those threes.

Nice to know that we need culture so fucking bad, that they couldn't afford to let Mills walk. :lol It's like the chemistry thing. Are we really so vulnerable that letting ONE no defense playing, Eddie House wannabe, towel waving fuck is going to kill the team? :lol

[romsho]

I forgot this place is a cesspool. Geezus.

[objective]

If culture matters that much, time for Porker to get another 3 year extension

Him and Patty can feed each other on the bench as many calories as they can take without purging for the next four years.

[ceperez]

If only Patty had it in him to hit only one of those threes.

Nice to know that we need culture so fucking bad, that they couldn't afford to let Mills walk. :lol It's like the chemistry thing. Are we really so vulnerable that letting ONE no defense playing, Eddie House wannabe, towel waving fuck is going to kill the team? :lol

Yep... that's the stark reality of the Spurs. Culture trumps all.

If you think about it though, for a small market team, how can you really compete? You have to take underperforming players and turn them into gold. The only way to do that is to have culture.

[TimDunkem]

If culture matters that much, time for Porker to get another 3 year extension

That goes without saying. You just know he'll get contracts until he decides to hang them up.

[TimDunkem]

Yep... that's the stark reality of the Spurs. Culture trumps all.
Well, at least Kawhi will get his MVP carrying all this dead weight while his competitors join up. I guess that's something?

[TheGreatYacht]

to answer this autistic gold fishes question. He spaces the fucking floor, he is one best movers without the ball in the league, unlike Parker his TIP and usage rate are extremely low for the offensive production.
So $50,000,000 for a point guard that's better letting someone else handle the ball. Got it :lol


Fucking dicks, you seem to think both

a) a back up point guard should be able to contain a two time MVP
b) 12 million will absolutely buy someone who can.

idiots

GSW had their best back court defender taking Mills in that series. There is a reason for that.
Now you get the point, you twat. Spurs used up the money they had left on a scrub that, you yourself admits, doesn't move the needle against the Warriors. Spending money on a guy that's literally worthless against the only team that matters.

[ceperez]

Well, at least Kawhi will get his MVP carrying all this dead weight while his competitors join up. I guess that's something?

Spurs got to the WCF while having too underperforming bigs in Pau and Aldridge. Other that Kawhi, who else was playing well?

[TimDunkem]

So $50,000,000 for a point guard that's better letting someone else handle the ball. Got it :lol

Now you get the point, you twat. Spurs used up the money they had left on a scrub that, you yourself admits, doesn't move the needle against the Warriors. Spending money on a guy that's literally worthless against the only team that matters.
:lol benfti just played himself.

Also love how he acknowledges Parker, a guy who isn't about to leave anytime soon, to justify Fatty's contract. If Parker is coming back anyway, what the fuck do we need Mills for? I guess Dejounte is just warming Tony's seat.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs got to the WCF while having too underperforming bigs in Pau and Aldridge. Other that Kawhi, who else was playing well?
Not Patty. That's for sure. Can't wait until we resign Gasol, btw. Another guy with a loyalty contract incoming. :lol

[Ice009]

Mark my words, if Dejounte doesn't get court time over Parker and Mills, he'll bolt fast and join a super team before the Spurs even know what's going on. He won't stick around to be anyone's bitch.

[objective]

Highest paid back up point guard in the league can't guard anyone, can't run an offense, can't make plays as the ballhandler, and can't shoot 35% from three past the first round since his shoulder surgery.

If you think his deal looks bad now ...

just wait until Manu is gone and Mills doesn't have anyone next to him to be the primary creator and ball handler and setting him up.

His regular season % will look like his playoff %. And his playoff % will look like anguish.

[ceperez]

Highest paid back up point guard in the league can't guard anyone, can't run an offense, can't make plays as the ballhandler, and can't shoot 35% from three past the first round since his shoulder surgery.

If you think his deal looks bad now ...

just wait until Manu is gone and Mills doesn't have anyone next to him to be the primary creator and ball handler and setting him up.

His regular season % will look like his playoff %. And his playoff % will look like anguish.

Not going to disagree.

The price you pay for 4 years of "culture".

As a Spur, you are expected as a bench warmer to bring in the enthusiasm.

As a Spur, when you are on the court, you work you butt of despite any physical limitation.

As a Spur, when on court, you don't hesitate to shoot despite missing a ton of previous shots.

[TimDunkem]

Maybe they drafted White to replace Manu and not Mills....


Too bad he won't get playing time regardless because Mills, then Tony, will be eating them all up. :lol

[ceperez]

Maybe they drafted White to replace Manu and not Mills....


Too bad he won't get playing time regardless because Mills, then Tony, will be eating them all up. :lol

They drafted White because they needed a point guard. Parker is injured, Mills isn't a point guard, Murray is likely to be traded.

[TimDunkem]

They drafted White because they needed a point guard. Parker is injured (but coming back anyway despite a horrible injury at 36) , Mills isn't a point guard, Murray is likely to be traded.
You're not making this Patty contract look any better. :lol

[Ice009]

They drafted White because they needed a point guard. Parker is injured, Mills isn't a point guard, Murray is likely to be traded.

I was willing to trade Murray for Paul George, but that is about it out of the available players that I would trade him for.

[ceperez]

I was willing to trade Murray for Paul George, but that is about it out of the available players that I would trade him for.

I suspect Murray is going to be packaged with Aldridge for a bigger prize.

Here's the deal, why draft White when you already have Murray? That's because Murray can't shoot!

[TimDunkem]

Such as?

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol benfti just played himself.

Also love how he acknowledges Parker, a guy who isn't about to leave anytime soon, to justify Fatty's contract. If Parker is coming back anyway, what the fuck do we need Mills for? I guess Dejounte is just warming Tony's seat.
Pity Mills controlling the ball is the ultimate disaster. The guy can't create for anyone other than himself. He's the reason Aldridge gets as many postups as he does.

Aldridge w/ Parker from mid range (aka open P&P shots): 44.5FG%
Aldridge w/o Parker from mid range (aka postups): 37.4FG%

and then Aldridge overall w/ and w/o Parker:
844169442984714245

[ceperez]

Pity Mills controlling the ball is the ultimate disaster. The guy can't create for anyone other than himself. He's the reason Aldridge gets as many postups as he does.

Aldridge w/ Parker from mid range (aka open P&P shots): 44.5FG%
Aldridge w/o Parker from mid range (aka postups): 37.4FG%

and then Aldridge overall w/ and w/o Parker:
844169442984714245

I don't disagree with the Patty is a bad signing from a basketball perspective.

But as I said, with the Spurs, culture trumps all.

You just have to live with this fact. Besides, nobody is beating GSW with KD, Curry, Thompson and Green all comfortably locked up.

[TimDunkem]

Culture > Logical basketball moves

Time to re-up Manu, Gasol, keep Aldridge, and run this back!

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't disagree with the Patty is a bad signing from a basketball perspective.

But as I said, with the Spurs, culture trumps all.

You just have to live with this fact. Besides, nobody is beating GSW with KD, Curry, Thompson and Green all comfortably locked up.
Thunder just got Paul George for Oladipo's terrible contract and a white American scrub. Looking back I can see why Pacers wanted Aldridge...

Kawhi and Paul George could've been special but some dumbasses think it's smarter to sign role players at 12:01am Ct

I know playing dumb is your schtick, #CEPerez, so this is my last post responding to your bait

[objective]

That feeling when people defend the deal by admitting that he can't play point guard while also not being good enough to avoid being shut by the champs

:depressed

[vander]

Anyone who doesn't see that Mills actually took a discount on this deal is munted. He was projecting at 15-17 per according to Bobby Marks and co.

yep, most other teams overpay scrubs, that's why most other teams suck year after year after year.

[ceperez]

Thunder just got Paul George for Oladipo's terrible contract and a white American scrub. Looking back I can see why Pacers wanted Aldridge...

Kawhi and Paul George could've been special but some dumbasses think it's smarter to sign role players at 12:01am Ct

I know playing dumb is your schtick, #CEPerez, so this is my last post responding to your bait

I would have loved to get George on a rental for Aldridge. But that did not happen.

Pacers seems to want Oladipo and that may have something to do with him playing for Indiana in college. They only care about bringing in the ticket revenue.

[TheGreatYacht]

yep, most other teams overpay scrubs, that's why most other teams suck year after year after year.
Spurs are paying Mills & Parker $27M next year
Spurs are paying an unhappy Aldridge $21M next year
Spurs will give Pau Gasol a long-term contract at 37yo

Without Kawhi, this team would suck ass year after year :lol

[TimDunkem]

They only care about bringing in the ticket revenue.
Sounds like what they did with Mills.

"He's a fan favorite! :cry"

[CGD]

881000543858065408

Completely agree. Good value. Like Green a few years back, he could have gotten more in open market but choose SA.

[CGD]

Also, I assume this means no Hill.

[TimDunkem]

Also, I assume this means no Hill.
Hill talks broke off last night. Not that we need him anyway with 5 PGs plus Manu.

[still.focused]

I will no longer defender this front office.
We're we really in a rush to sign this MF?
Is this the contact they'd been working on while Paul gets traded, George gets traded and Griffin gets maxed?
All while our shitty power forward still has a locker?
Patty mills is not the difference maker on a championship Spurs team
If he wants to stay? cool tell him Hold on & get some meaningful shit done 1st

This team has 5 point guards and none of them are worthy of a starting position

[TDomination]

Patty as a back up is much better than patty as a starter. So as long as he stays a back up behind either Murray or Parker, I'm fine with this.

[Spurs9]

At least we didn't pay 125/5 for Jrue Holiday tbh :lol

[ceperez]

Patty as a back up is much better than patty as a starter. So as long as he stays a back up behind either Murray or Parker, I'm fine with this.

$12.5m per is an expensive backup. But I guess everyone is paying premium these days.

Simmons was offered $9m, isn't he also a backup behind Green?

[CGD]

We also need to wait and see what year 4 is all about. Could be partially guaranteed, etc.

[eDizzle20]

What did people want to do with the point guard position? Max out Hill or Lowry at $30 mil/year for 3 or 4 years at again 31? Sign an injury prone Derrick Rose? The Mills signing was a solid one. It allows Murray a chance to be showcased as a starter. I'm guessing PATFO didn't want to overpay for someone when they have their future point guard waiting in the wings.

[ceperez]

What did people want to do with the point guard position? Max out Hill or Lowry at $30 mil/year for 3 or 4 years at again 31? Sign an injury prone Derrick Rose? The Mills signing was a solid one. It allows Murray a chance to be showcased as a starter. I'm guessing PATFO didn't want to overpay for someone when they have their future point guard waiting in the wings.

If Murray was that good, then why pay Mills at all or draft White? PATFO may have seen enough of him in the gym.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

1. it could have been much worse, 2. he's clearly taking a paycut, 3. awful as he was he's the only "ready" PG the Spurs have at the moment.

This could also signal tanking in FA2017 and moving on to 2018 - let's see

[CGD]

What did people want to do with the point guard position? Max out Hill or Lowry at $30 mil/year for 3 or 4 years at again 31? Sign an injury prone Derrick Rose? The Mills signing was a solid one. It allows Murray a chance to be showcased as a starter. I'm guessing PATFO didn't want to overpay for someone when they have their future point guard waiting in the wings.

Good take

[Mal]

Only bad thing about this deal, is that it clogs up the cap space. Now decison should be made about Green vs Simmons. And probably Gasol will be back at 16.2mil, which Spurs owe him. That moves us to summer 2018

[CGD]

Only bad thing about this deal, is that it clogs up the cap space. Now decison should be made about Green vs Simmons. And probably Gasol will be back at 16.2mil, which Spurs owe him. That moves us to summer 2018

The the Spurs make moves, they're more likely to come via trade and via FA, tbh.

[tbdog]

I got no issues with the contract, but our direction is odd. LMA rumours. Green rumours. Gay rumours. Iggy? Gasol coming back on multiple years. Letting Parker rehab at 35. I really hope our game style changes.

[Kurik]

Imagine a Bell Kawhi Simmons DG Murray lineup..moving forward.

Or hell, a Bell KA Kawhi Green Simmons.

Man, I was a big Bell fan going into the draft but if his foot issues are real I can't be upset with them drafting someone else.

[duncan2150]

Only bad thing about this deal, is that it clogs up the cap space. Now decison should be made about Green vs Simmons. And probably Gasol will be back at 16.2mil, which Spurs owe him. That moves us to summer 2018

agree with that, maybe they can keep green and simmons.

[Mr. Body]

Only bad thing about this deal, is that it clogs up the cap space. Now decison should be made about Green vs Simmons. And probably Gasol will be back at 16.2mil, which Spurs owe him. That moves us to summer 2018

Why do people want to get rid of Green? He's in a fantastic deal and is far better than most on this board are willing to admit.

[bic50]

I suspect Murray is going to be packaged with Aldridge for a bigger prize.

Here's the deal, why draft White when you already have Murray? That's because Murray can't shoot!
I think white being drafted had more to do with green then Murray.

[Solid D]

So we turn into LeBron/Westbrook/Harden teams with just one star and a bunch of shooters. One star who will be tired by game 50 of the season. And possibly struggle to win 50 games

Yeah, pretty much. :(

[AFBlue]

Why do people want to get rid of Green? He's in a fantastic deal and is far better than most on this board are willing to admit.

He's a 3&D player who hasn't consistently made 3s for the last two years. It's a great deal if he does those things at an elite level, but when he so limited and only provides one it lessens his value.

[Mr. Body]

He's a 3&D player who hasn't consistently made 3s for the last two years. It's a great deal if he does those things at an elite level, but when he so limited and only provides one it lessens his value.

He's an elite defender already. Fuck everybody.

[AFBlue]

He's an elite defender already. Fuck everybody.

I didn't say he wasn't an elite defender. Part of the "trade Danny" movement is because he set an expectation of being an elite three point shooter and has fallen short of that the last two years. Personally, I'm not a big "trade Danny" guy, but I do see how people could want to upgrade at the position.

[DPG21920]

I would be more than fine with this deal if they don't trade Danny and if everyone else they sign does not eat up cap space next year.

Right now, the backcourt is no better and the money from TP's contract is being replaced by Mills next year. So no more long term money, especially for Pau.

[Mugen]

Yeah, it's really imperative that they don't eat up any more of the 2018 space.

[noles1983]

Spurs are really gonna trot out the same fucking team. wow.

[Uriel]

Contract talks between the Spurs and George Hill broke off last night right before the re-signing of Patty Mills. It's rumored that the reason talks broke off was because George Hill was asking for too much and didn't want to take less.

[DaBears]

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Shows you how much the media & fans outside of this great city actually know about what goes on between the spurs front office. Everyone was talking like it was a foregone conculussion that Patty Mills was all but gone to chase the cash. And look he sticks around, media said spurs wont be able to pay up for him, "That's what they said".

[Mugen]

:lol Did the Spurs really ask George for a hometown discount? Dude turned town a huge extension from Utah and is looking to get paid.

Get that money Georgie.

[Spurtacular]

Patty giving the Spurs another value contract.

[noles1983]

No other teams' free agents want to come here and no other teams want our free agents :lol

[Mr. Body]

I didn't say he wasn't an elite defender. Part of the "trade Danny" movement is because he set an expectation of being an elite three point shooter and has fallen short of that the last two years. Personally, I'm not a big "trade Danny" guy, but I do see how people could want to upgrade at the position.

Those people are utter morons.

[Truth4sale$]

Patty played great last year as a part time player, he struggled against golden State, but everybody did except Simmons. Spurs are paying a part time player, starter money but he was the best available for the price. George hill is just asking too much money at 31, with injuries.

[jhfenton]

If the Spurs struck out on Paul and Jrue and Teague and thought Hill wanted too much ...

Just overpay Patty for one year, his cap hold is under 7 and you have full bird!

Give him 1 year 20 million! Or 1/22! As a 'thank you' for the service.

THEN if you still need him for whatever reason, give him a 3/30 declining. Just don't tie up Kawhi's prime like this! It's a crime!
This would have been fine. Give him the equivalent of the Manu contract from last year. Overpay when it doesn't hurt you long term. He will be better as a regular season backup than any cheap veteran rent-a-PG, but don't commit 8 figures per year for four years. (Though we don't know the details of the fourth year.)

The only way I'm OK with this is if they already plan to trade him this season or next summer. But that doesn't feel very Spursy: get him to take a hometown discount and then trade him.


Why do people want to get rid of Green? He's in a fantastic deal and is far better than most on this board are willing to admit.
Agreed. I think Green's elite shooting would return in a more flowing offense, but that requires fewer isolations and a quality point guard.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, holy shit, JJ Reddick may be getting $20 million next year and Danny gets half that and is far better.

[Ice009]

I question I have is, how did talks break off? I thought you're not allowed to talk to free agents before midnight? It seems they must have been talking before midnight?

[coachmac87]

I mean, holy shit, JJ Reddick may be getting $20 million next year and Danny gets half that and is far better.

Far better at what? Defense?? That's about it...

[FkLA]

880550519672107009

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^Jrue Holliday deal

lol at the outrage over a measly 12.5 mill/yr

[Mr. Body]

Far better at what? Defense?? That's about it...

Yeah, bro, because defense doesn't matter...

[sasaint]

"...asking too much and didn't want to take less..." Quick! Stop the Presses!

[LkrFan]

He has never had a big contract in his career. He's nuts not trying to get paid. He should have at least held out for an option on a four year deal if he was going to take that kind of paycut.

...from a Spur Fan's perspective. Hoping, wishing and praying for the Champs to disband...to no avail! -25 points son :lol

PATHETIC :lmao

[look_at_g_shred]

Bargain

[Capt Bringdown]

Isn't this what Pop does?
King of "Thank You" contracts.

Thanks for what?

[coachmac87]

Yeah, bro, because defense doesn't matter...

It does matter. But Green isn't a far better player tho because of it..

[Mr. Body]

It does matter. But Green isn't a far better player tho because of it..

Dude, it's fucking half of the game. You couldn't find a GM who would take Reddick over Green.

[kaji157]

I don't understand this contract, on a market that will be full of point guards we already locked one of the worst.
Patty is a fine player to me, but was clearly below most of the pg that will be available.

[tholdren]

12.5 for a player who will bounce back. Good teammate and will be fine moving back to the 2

[CGD]

880550519672107009

881100617548275712
^Jrue Holliday deal

lol at the outrage over a measly 12.5 mill/yr

I listened to a lot of podcasts too! Can I be a sports writer now???

[tholdren]

I don't understand this contract, on a market that will be full of point guards we already locked one of the worst.
Patty is a fine player to me, but was clearly below most odd the pg that will be available.

Because hes a 2 not a 1.

[DAF86]

Great value but I still wouldn't have done it. It was time to move on, tbh.

[tholdren]

Great value but I still wouldn't have done it. It was time to move on, tbh.

You have to have him in the locker room. It was a deal for work ethic and leadership not just skill.

[coachmac87]

Dude, it's fucking half of the game. You couldn't find a GM who would take Reddick over Green.

Uhhhhh what?? You literally just bitched about Reddick possibly getting twice as much..so that's one
:lmao

[ceperez]

You have to have him in the locker room. It was a deal for work ethic and leadership not just skill.

Exactly. It is a weird deal, but it is what it is. No more veterans in the team, so somebody has to lead.

Kawhi leads by example and you can't really expect his to focus on helping others to get better. He's the machine and Mills is the guy with social skills who keeps everyone happy.

[robert1886]

Maybe this has more to deal with what happens to Parker after this season. I think Murray is the pg of the future and white is a good combo guard and hopefully turns into a good role player. I als think too many people on here are thinking of the old salary cap where 12 mil is a large amount. 10-12 is going to be the average for a average role player now.

[DAF86]

So the PG rotation is set:

Murray/Mills/White/Tony

Let's hope Murray is the real deal or we are fucked.

[TimDunkem]

Love how Mr.Body was talking defense yet he just defended locking up Fatty for four years. :lmao

[Hoops Czar]

880550519672107009

881100617548275712
^Jrue Holliday deal

lol at the outrage over a measly 12.5 mill/yr

For your next trick, why don't you compare Russell Westbrook to Alexey Shved.

[kaji157]

Maybe this has more to deal with what happens to Parker after this season. I think Murray is the pg of the future and white is a good combo guard and hopefully turns into a good role player. I als think too many people on here are thinking of the old salary cap where 12 mil is a large amount. 10-12 is going to be the average for a average role player now.

I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.

[TimDunkem]

I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.Just wait until Livingston is eating Fatty alive again in the playoffs...If we didn't already suffer an epic collapse against some team like Houston, OKC, or Minny before we even get that far. :lmao

[Hoops Czar]

I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.

Except Livingston's range is 10 feet from the basket.

[TimDunkem]

Except Livingston's range is 10 feet from the basket.
Hyperbole. Besides, all he needs to do is shoot over Fatty. :lol

[GSH]

...from a Spur Fan's perspective. Hoping, wishing and praying for the Champs to disband...to no avail! -25 points son :lol

PATHETIC :lmao


Just out of curiosity... what to Laker fans hope for? And don't tell me Lonzo Ball. :lol

[robert1886]

I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.

So if your Livingston and the warriors say essentially 8 mil average over 3 years where you're on that championship team and you're not asked to log crazy minutes. You're talking about a difference that is essentially 4 more percent of the cap that mills is taking up . If Livingston wanted he would have gone elsewhere for much more. You can't compare the two salaries

[objective]

He's a 3&D player who hasn't consistently made 3s for the last two years. It's a great deal if he does those things at an elite level, but when he so limited and only provides one it lessens his value.

Well, Mills is a 3 and NO-D player who hasn't consistently made threes in the playoffs the last 2 years

Green can play starter minutes and play 2 or 3 and defend 1-3 and some smallball 4s

And he makes 10 million flat and can come off the books summer 2018

So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.

[TimDunkem]

Well, Mills is a 3 and NO-D player who hasn't consistently made threes in the playoffs the last 2 years

Green can play starter minutes and play 2 or 3 and defend 1-3 and some smallball 4s

And he makes 10 million flat and can come off the books summer 2018

So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.
Culture is more important than defense and shot making against teams that matter....


:lmao

[Hoops Czar]

So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.

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[LkrFan]

Just out of curiosity... what to Laker fans hope for? And don't tell me Lonzo Ball. :lol

I want to see Lonzo and BI grow as players. With the way the Dubs are constructed, it's not a good time to be a "contender" right now. I'm good where my young Lakers squad is tbh.

[FkLA]

I listened to a lot of podcasts too! Can I be a sports writer now???

Way to miss the point. The tweet is simply relaying the message of what prominent NBA media guys said about Paddy's value, retard.


For your next trick, why don't you compare Russell Westbrook to Alexey Shved.

Its not a comparison as much as it is an indication of the market. Players are getting paid. Get used to it.

Relatively speaking, Paddy's contract is good value.

[TimDunkem]

It isn't so much the numbers so much as it is tying yourself up with an undersized, past his prime, no playmaking, no defense playing, chokes-against-opponents-that-matter, point guard who can't create his own shot and is only decent off the ball to a four year deal. :lol

[SAGirl]

I also need to add - If he was a beast defender like Patrick Beverly, then I wouldn't be too worried about his ppg at all. I can always overlook that if the defense is there. Since scoring is Patty's only thing, it's magnified, and in the playoffs he's not very good at it. I really don't know what the Spurs were thinking with this signing. Good post. Guys that do other things, play defense, rebound or contribute elsewhere you have to look as a whole. Everyone needs to be a threat to score in this NBA, but it's not their role to be the microwave. But when you are the microwave, and scoring is supposed to be your thing, if you are not hitting shots in the playoffs, then wtf is your role? sucking?

[TimDunkem]

Good post. Guys that do other things, play defense, rebound or contribute elsewhere you have to look as a whole. Everyone needs to be a threat to score in this NBA, but it's not their role to be the microwave. But when you are the microwave, and scoring is supposed to be your thing, if you are not hitting shots in the playoffs, then wtf is your role? sucking?
According to ST, his best value is now in the locker room. Culture over defense and shot making now! Totally worth 50 over 4 years. :jack

[objective]

Why does anyone give a damn about the market value when the market doesn't win games or defend or make shots?

If the market is too hot on something, then only later will it auto correct, not before.

Last Summer the market for Mozgov was 4/64 and Noah 4/72 on deals agreed to the first day.

Good market value there, right guys?

The margin for error was tiny. The Spurs have been blessed with a superstar in Kawhi. They just blew it all.

Paying the abstract market value that the media and agents make believe as legit doesn't help Kawhi any more than Mills helped Kawhi in game 1 against GS.

[AFBlue]

Well, Mills is a 3 and NO-D player who hasn't consistently made threes in the playoffs the last 2 years

Green can play starter minutes and play 2 or 3 and defend 1-3 and some smallball 4s

And he makes 10 million flat and can come off the books summer 2018

So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.

You're not going to get an argument from me. Both players are capable of being replaced by the right player for the right price. All "role players" inherently are. And on this team, that's anyone not named Kawhi.

[Buddy Mignon]

:rollin

[baseline bum]

Why does anyone give a damn about the market value when the market doesn't win games or defend or make shots?

If the market is too hot on something, then only later will it auto correct, not before.

Last Summer the market for Mozgov was 4/64 and Noah 4/72 on deals agreed to the first day.

Good market value there, right guys?

The margin for error was tiny. The Spurs have been blessed with a superstar in Kawhi. They just blew it all.

Paying the abstract market value that the media and agents make believe as legit doesn't help Kawhi any more than Mills helped Kawhi in game 1 against GS.

I guess the Spurs are looking at it as Mills for $6 million, since that's the cap hit. I would have let him walk. He has been a really disappointing player the last couple of years and now the Spurs have basically replaced their Parker contract going into 2018.

[FkLA]

It isn't so much the numbers so much as it is tying yourself up with an undersized, past his prime, no playmaking, no defense playing, chokes-against-opponents-that-matter, point guard who can't create his own shot and is only decent off the ball to a four year deal. :lol

Who gives a shit if its 4 years? 6th man/role players get long term deals too. He was Top 10 in 6MOY voting. He isn't consistently good in the playoffs but he isn't getting paid star money for that to be an expectation.

This is considered a hometown diacoint deal and y'all still bitch. Did the same with Danny. Even heard people grumble when Kawhi got his max extension.

[TimDunkem]

You're not going to get an argument from me. Both players are capable of being replaced by the right player for the right price. All "role players" inherently are. And on this team, that's anyone not named Kawhi.
People can say all they want about the "value" of this deal but it makes absolutely no basketball sense. Should've rolled with Murray. At least he'd get to fight through growing pains and speed up his development. If not, a cheap vet would've sufficed. Instead, we're locking up all our past their prime vets who play no D and choke in big games because "culture :cry".

[GSH]

I want to see Lonzo and BI grow as players. With the way the Dubs are constructed, it's not a good time to be a "contender" right now. I'm good where my young Lakers squad is tbh.


Okay, well that's...honest. You like it that your team sucks. So in your spare time, you rep another team that doesn't suck.

Cool.

[TimDunkem]

Who gives a shit if its 4 years? 6th man/role players get long term deals too. He was Top 10 in 6MOY voting. He isn't consistently good in the playoffs but he isn't getting paid star money for that to be an expectation.

This is considered a hometown diacoint deal and y'all still bitch. Did the same with Danny. Even heard people grumble when Kawhi got his max extension.
Because he'll be here those four years eating up young players minutes. Either that, or he gets moved because Parker isn't going anywhere until he retires. Either way, this is a redundant move. But who cares if he plays no D and chokes. He "took a discount :cry".

[mo7888]

People can say all they want about the "value" of this deal but it makes absolutely no basketball sense. Should've rolled with Murray. At least he'd get to fight through growing pains and speed up his development. If not, a cheap vet would've sufficed. Instead, we're locking up all our past their prime vets who play no D and choke in big games because "culture :cry".

If we're looking for culture and good locker room guys you could have gotten Jose Calderon for the minimum and he can knock down a 3 and not play defense either

[robert1886]

Why does anyone give a damn about the market value when the market doesn't win games or defend or make shots?

If the market is too hot on something, then only later will it auto correct, not before.

Last Summer the market for Mozgov was 4/64 and Noah 4/72 on deals agreed to the first day.

Good market value there, right guys?

The margin for error was tiny. The Spurs have been blessed with a superstar in Kawhi. They just blew it all.

Paying the abstract market value that the media and agents make believe as legit doesn't help Kawhi any more than Mills helped Kawhi in game 1 against GS.

Lmao the market wasn't there for Mozgov, lakers got desperate

[TimDunkem]

If we're looking for culture and good locker room guys you could have gotten Jose Calderon for the minimum and he can knock down a 3 and not play defense either
No shit, right? And at least Calderon can run an offense. :lol

[TimDunkem]

I guess the Spurs are looking at it as Mills for $6 million, since that's the cap hit. I would have let him walk. He has been a really disappointing player the last couple of years and now the Spurs have basically replaced their Parker contract going into 2018.
Parker isn't even leaving anyway, so it gets even worse. I guess we'll see a lot of Fatty at the 2 again once Porker comes back. :lol

[GSH]

I guess the Spurs are looking at it as Mills for $6 million, since that's the cap hit. I would have let him walk. He has been a really disappointing player the last couple of years and now the Spurs have basically replaced their Parker contract going into 2018.


Yeah, one of the commentators posted about that $6M cap hit last night. All it takes is ignoring the cap hit from his cap hold that was temporary, till they either signed him or let him go.

Sort of like, "My new car only cost $3K, because I traded another one."

[baseline bum]

People can say all they want about the "value" of this deal but it makes absolutely no basketball sense. Should've rolled with Murray. At least he'd get to fight through growing pains and speed up his development. If not, a cheap vet would've sufficed. Instead, we're locking up all our past their prime vets who play no D and choke in big games because "culture :cry".

And what happens to Murray once Parker comes back? None of Mills/Murray/Parker/Forbes can play the two, which is the guard spot the Spurs desperately need help at, especially with Simmons looking like a coin flip at best for MLE. I have no idea why they never pursued Hayward. I was encouraged by the Iguodala news until the Woj bomb saying the Spurs didn't have much interest and met with him as basically a courtesy.

[TimDunkem]

And what happens to Murray once Parker comes back? None of Mills/Murray/Parker/Forbes can play the two, which is the guard spot the Spurs desperately need help at, especially with Simmons looking like a coin flip at best for MLE. I have no idea why they never pursued Hayward. I was encouraged by the Iguodala news until the Woj bomb saying the Spurs didn't have much interest and met with him as basically a courtesy.
Oh you know they'll be playing the two once Parker comes back. :lol

[FkLA]

Because he'll be here those four years eating up young players minutes. Either that, or he gets moved because Parker isn't going anywhere until he retires. Either way, this is a redundant move. But who cares if he plays no D and chokes. He "took a discount :cry".

Hes 27 or 28. Not past his prime.

And yeah no shit he is flawed. What are you expecting for $12.5 mill/yr? A star? A great two way player? Those are worth a lot more in today's market, buddy.

[LkrFan]

Okay, well that's...honest. You like it that your team sucks. So in your spare time, you rep another team that doesn't suck.

Cool.

No...I'm content. Basketball reasons set us back a decade. We're on year 6 :lmao

[baseline bum]

The only way I can defend signing Mills when the SG and PF are such gaping holes (assuming Softridge gets his wish and is shipped out) is if the team thinks Parker won't make it back this coming year.

[Mr. Body]

Uhhhhh what?? You literally just bitched about Reddick possibly getting twice as much..so that's one
:lmao

Motherfucker, Green isn't getting shopped. In an open market Green would get snapped up in a brilliant shiny second at $10m before anyone ever dreamed of Reddick at twice as much. Green would get $20 million before Reddick got $10 mill.

[objective]

You're not going to get an argument from me. Both players are capable of being replaced by the right player for the right price. All "role players" inherently are. And on this team, that's anyone not named Kawhi.

Green >>>>>> Mills

Green contract >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills

Mills is the new pair of cement shoes for Kawhi to lose with after Parker finally breaks off

[Hoops Czar]

Its not a comparison as much as it is an indication of the market. Players are getting paid. Get used to it.

Relatively speaking, Paddy's contract is good value.

Except Jru Holiday is a quality pg who's entering his prime years. Paddy is a no D playing, nut hugging back up sg with a broken jump shot, who couldn't run an NBA offense to save his life. I didn't even realize there was a market for that type of player until now.

[TimDunkem]

Hes 27 or 28. Not past his prime.

What are you expecting for $12.5 mill/yr? A star? A great two way player? Those are worth a lot more in today's market, buddy.
I expected a vet to hold Tony's place because he's coming back no matter what. Instead we're holding a bag of shit that consists of 5 PGs and 40 year old Manu STILL running the offense from the bench because Patty isn't even capable of that. :lol

You're right though. Why should I expect any defense, playmaking from a PG, or shot making against teams that matter from our so-called "6th man"?

[GSH]

Who gives a shit if its 4 years? 6th man/role players get long term deals too. He was Top 10 in 6MOY voting.

He was 9th. Vince Carter was 11th.

[GSH]

No...I'm content. Basketball reasons set us back a decade. We're on year 6 :lmao


Heh. I got nothin'. :toast

[TimDunkem]

The only way I can defend signing Mills when the SG and PF are such gaping holes (assuming Softridge gets his wish and is shipped out) is if the team thinks Parker won't make it back this coming year.
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[objective]

If they wanted a steady hand until Porker oinked his way​ back, they could have signed Beno or fat Felton, or CJ Watson, or a dozen other guys.

If they wanted longer term insurance, they could have spent 3/36 on Teodosic! Same bad defense , no worse a playoff shooter because it's hard to be worse, and an incredible playmaker!

And they would save the fourth year!

The fourth year is what makes the deal go from terrible to catastrophic.

And if the market was 4 years, let him go get 4 years somewhere else. Jesus.

[TimDunkem]

If they wanted a steady hand until Porker oinked his way​ back, they could have signed Beno or fat Felton, or CJ Watson, or a dozen other guys.

If they wanted longer term insurance, they could have spent 3/36 on Teodosic! Same bad defense , no worse a playoff shooter because it's hard to be worse, and an incredible playmaker!

And they would save the fourth year!

The fourth year is what makes the deal go from terrible to catastrophic.

And if the market was 4 years, let him go get 4 years somewhere else. Jesus.Don't you know? Patty was 9th in 6MotY voting! All for his lack of D, no playmaking abilities, and lack of shot making against good teams! Such a bargain!!

[coachmac87]

Motherfucker, Green isn't getting shopped. In an open market Green would get snapped up in a brilliant shiny second at $10m before anyone ever dreamed of Reddick at twice as much. Green would get $20 million before Reddick got $10 mill.

Wtf man I never said he was being shopped..stick to the subject. You said Green is far better then Reddick..he isn't. I used his contract to dispute that. Green got 12M offer but took 10M when he was "on the market". Reddick is getting 15-20M at 33..so yes I think that tells me some GM's would think Reddick >Green if they had to choose.

You seem to think there's no contest..

[rastaspur]

No...I'm content. Basketball reasons set us back a decade. We're on year 6 :lmao

Kobe Bryant's selfish ass set yall back at least 5 years

[FkLA]

The only way I can defend signing Mills when the SG and PF are such gaping holes (assuming Softridge gets his wish and is shipped out) is if the team thinks Parker won't make it back this coming year.

If things go well (60 win pace or so), which is pretty much a guarantee if Kawhichael stays healthy, I think TP plays a minimal role when he returns. He was benched in his prime in favor of Hill in '10 so I doubt Pop will hesitate to do the same to TOSB TP if Murray is doing well.

[SAGirl]

If we were to evaluate Patty based on basketball metrics, Spurs definitely should have treated him like they treated Gary Neal. Have him find a contract in the free market. Spurs however have a lot of respect as to what Patty brings to to the team in terms of 'intangibles' that they decided not only to pay premium but also to sign him up quickly. If Spurs are going to continue to win, they need the right culture in their team and with the departure of the old guys, there's not many left who can promote that. Too bad its an undersized guard. yes. that is the only explanation. they paid premium for off the court intangibles. Pop loves him too... same story as Tony.

[Hoops Czar]

yes. that is the only explanation. they paid premium for off the court intangibles. Pop loves him too... same story as Tony.

:lmao I didn't realize towel waving was in such high demand.

[GSH]

Kobe Bryant's selfish ass set yall back at least 5 years

Well, that plus the team's unwillingness to bite the bullet and let go. Seems like that's a bad thing, too.

[FkLA]

Except Jru Holiday is a quality pg who's entering his prime years. Paddy is a no D playing, nut hugging back up sg with a broken jump shot, who couldn't run an NBA offense to save his life. I didn't even realize there was a market for that type of player until now.

Sure, Jrue is better than Paddy but it's not like it's an apples to apples comparison. One just got massively overpaid and the other didn't.

Shooting will always be valued in this league.


I expected a vet to hold Tony's place because he's coming back no matter what. Instead we're holding a bag of shit that consists of 5 PGs and 40 year old Manu STILL running the offense from the bench because Patty isn't even capable of that. :lol

You're right though. Why should I expect any defense, playmaking from a PG, or shot making against teams that matter from our so-called "6th man"?


Again, if you want players that are well rounded and consistently perform in the playoffs it's going to cost a lot more than what Paddy got. You are listing his flaws as if other teams' role players (many of whom earn more) don't have their own flaws and struggles with consistency.

If it comes to it, his contract is widely regarded as good value so you'll have no trouble moving it. I agree that if they keep bringing TP back this signing is pretty head scratching but personally I think TP is done in SA (and maybe in general) after next year.

[AFBlue]

People can say all they want about the "value" of this deal but it makes absolutely no basketball sense. Should've rolled with Murray. At least he'd get to fight through growing pains and speed up his development. If not, a cheap vet would've sufficed. Instead, we're locking up all our past their prime vets who play no D and choke in big games because "culture :cry".

It makes basketball sense if you think there's a chance Tony doesn't return to form, and you're going to lose Manu and/or Simmons from your bench unit. Murray will get his opportunity regardless of Mills returning.

I'm not saying I love the deal, but it does make basketball sense.

[objective]

And when people point out media members saying it's a fair deal or good value for Mills, let me remind you all:

they also LOVED the Parker extension!

When the few smart ones here were looking forward to Parker coming off the books as the decline was apparent to anyone who paid close attention found out about the extension, we knew it was crap and would be a disaster.

It took years for the supposed smart people in the media to catch on.

This is a disaster, this is the moment people will point to years from now as the turning point on what went wrong. When you massively overpay for loyalty to non-stars, when you reward performance from 3(!) years and 2 contracts ago, this is how contenders wither and die.

It'll take years, but everyone will come around. You'll see.

[TimDunkem]

Again, if you want players that are well rounded and consistently perform in the playoffs it's going to cost a lot more than what Paddy got. You are listing his flaws as if other teams' role players (some of whom earn more) don't have their own flaws and struggles with consistency.

If it comes to it, his contract is widely regarded as good value so you'll have no trouble moving it. I agree that if they keep bringing TP back this sign is pretty head scratching but personally I think TP is done in SA (and maybe in general) after next year.What are we playing for then if we're re-upping all the playoff non-factors? And I don't believe TP isn't coming back unless he's completely done physically. The FO will pay him until the wheels fall off. And, if that's the case, why not sign a vet and throw Murray into the fire if the goal is to develop him?

One more thing, I'm not expecting Patty to be an all-star but, if you're a "6th man" PG getting paid 12 mill a year, I expect you to either play D, make shots against good teams, or run an offense. He can't do even one of those things. :lol

[TimDunkem]

It makes basketball sense if you think there's a chance Tony doesn't return to form, and you're going to lose Manu and/or Simmons from your bench unit. Murray will get his opportunity regardless of Mills returning.

I'm not saying I love the deal, but it does make basketball sense.
If that's the case, just sign a vet for cheap since we're not expecting shot making, playmaking, or defense from Patty anyway. Just develop Murray and White who is a PG too.

[AFBlue]

If that's the case, just sign a vet for cheap since we're not expecting shot making, playmaking, or defense from Patty anyway. Just develop Murray and White who is a PG too.

You could argue Mills isn't worth $12.5M/yr. You can't make a reasonable case that you'd find a replacement for the min. Or can you? Ideas for someone other than Mills that could be had "for cheap?"

[FkLA]

And when people point out media members saying it's a fair deal or good value for Mills, let me remind you all:

they also LOVED the Parker extension!

When the few smart ones here were looking forward to Parker coming off the books as the decline was apparent to anyone who paid close attention found out about the extension, we knew it was crap and would be a disaster.

It took years for the supposed smart people in the media to catch on.

This is a disaster, this is the moment people will point to years from now as the turning point on what went wrong. When you massively overpay for loyalty to non-stars, when you reward performance from 3(!) years and 2 contracts ago, this is how contenders wither and die.

It'll take years, but everyone will come around. You'll see.

See, your problem is you want to ignore the market and instead you want to set the value of players yourself. Thats just not how it works. Otherwise there's absolutely no way anyone in their right mind who would consider Paddy's new deal a "massive overpay".

Paddy is 28 I believe, with shooting as his main skillset. TP was an 31(?) year old, speed-reliant PG at the time of his extension. The cap has also gone up significantly. The situations aren't even comparable. :lol

[TimDunkem]

You could argue Mills isn't worth $12.5M/yr. You can't make a reasonable case that you'd find a replacement for the min. Or can you? Ideas for someone other than Mills that could be had "for cheap?"
Any other PGs out there who can't run an offense, hit big shots against good teams, and not play defense?

[Mr. Body]

You could argue Mills isn't worth $12.5M/yr. You can't make a reasonable case that you'd find a replacement for the min. Or can you? Ideas for someone other than Mills that could be had "for cheap?"

The guy is an idiot. Don't bother.

[SAGirl]

880550519672107009 881100617548275712 ^Jrue Holliday deal lol at the outrage over a measly 12.5 mill/yr bad comparison, Jrue is a starter in the league, plays more minutes and is a better player, younger, taller, more athletic, more versatile, a true PG. How much is the Pelicans back up PG getting? Are you saying Patty is going to be a starter from now on? In that case I like him less.

[AFBlue]

Any other PGs out there who can't run an offense, hit big shots against good teams, and not play defense?

:lol

No, I mean a guy that can average 9.5pts/3.5asts in just over 20MPG while shooting over 40% from 3.

Go ahead. I'll check back in every once in a while.

[TimDunkem]

The guy is an idiot. Don't bother.
Says the dick eater who's been a joke on this forum for years. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Says the dick eater who's been a joke on this forum for years. :lol

When you have the facts use the facts. When you don't have the facts, bang the table.

That's you, except instead of banging the table you're pooping your pants.

[SAGirl]

So the PG rotation is set: Murray/Mills/White/Tony Let's hope Murray is the real deal or we are fucked. I suspect Mills is starting... same as in the playoffs. He just got paid. He's about to earn that money playing 30 minutes per game and starting while Tony gets back.

[FkLA]

What are we playing for then if we're re-upping all the playoff non-factors? And I don't believe TP isn't coming back unless he's completely done physically. The FO will pay him until the wheels fall off. And, if that's the case, why not sign a vet and throw Murray into the fire if the goal is to develop him?

One more thing, I'm not expecting Patty to be an all-star but, if you're a "6th man" PG getting paid 12 mill a year, I expect you to either play D, make shots against good teams, or run an offense. He can't do even one of those things. :lol

GS openly said they made a concerted effort to key in on Paddy. They put a bigger, All-Defense caliber guy on him all series. That alone mightve been enough for him to struggle (let's not act like prime TP who's a better player than Paddy will ever be didn't struggle against guys like Sefalosha) but then you add Kawhi going down and it just wasn't a good situation for a role player like Paddy. It's dumb to judge him on that series unless you are dumb enough to expect him to be able to be effective against elite teams without an MVP level guy to play off of.

[objective]

See, your problem is you want to ignore the market and instead you want to set the value of players yourself. Thats just not how it works. Otherwise there's absolutely no way anyone in their right mind who would consider Paddy's new deal a "massive overpay".

Paddy is 28 I believe, with shooting as his main skillset. TP was an 31(?) year old, speed-reliant PG at the time of his extension. The cap has also gone up significantly. The situations aren't even comparable. :lol

Mills will be 29 in August, and if shooting is his main skillset, the Spurs are screwed. Playoffs past the first round on his last contract: 21.7% from 3 against Golden State, 33.3% from 3 against Houston, 23% against OKC

Re: the market, how is it that there's no other back up points on deals like 4/50? How is it that the others who even come close can do a lot more than Mills, like either defend like dirty assholes like Delladova or run a pick-and-roll like Jeremy Lin?

There was no market for no defense, no playmaking, busted shooting short guys with histories of being overweight.

The Spurs just set it so high they played themselves.

[FkLA]

bad comparison, Jrue is a starter in the league, plays more minutes and is a better player, younger, taller, more athletic, more versatile, a true PG. How much is the Pelicans back up PG getting? Are you saying Patty is going to be a starter from now on? In that case I like him less.

I wasn't saying Jrue and Paddy are on the same level. It wasnt a comparison, I was just showing the landscape of today's market. Guys are still getting huge deals. Jrue is better (and more injury prone) but he's also massively overpaid. Paddy isnt.

[DAF86]

I suspect Mills is starting... same as in the playoffs. He just got paid. He's about to earn that money playing 30 minutes per game and starting while Tony gets back.

No, just no. The only chance in hell this team has of reaching another gear is the improvements of Murray and Bertans. And that's not going to happen playing them 15 minutes off the bench.

[TheGreatYacht]

Love how Mr.Body was talking defense yet he just defended locking up Fatty for four years. :lmao
:lmao

[TimDunkem]

:lol

No, I mean a guy that can average 9.5pts/3.5asts in just over 20MPG while shooting over 40% from 3.

Go ahead. I'll check back in every once in a while.
Might as well have gone after a Calderon, Galloway, Udrih, or Shelvin Mack if we're looking for less than 10 PPG, 3 AST, and no defense. :lol At least we wouldn't have needed to lock them up for 4 years.


When you have the facts use the facts. When you don't have the facts, bang the table.

That's you, except instead of banging the table you're pooping your pants.
Says the guy who's been melting down all morning. :lol

[SuperCam]

http://i.imgur.com/Q2q12Ff.png


"with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term" :pop:

[TimDunkem]

GS openly said they made a concerted effort to key in on Paddy. They put a bigger, All-Defense caliber guy on him all series. That alone mightve been enough for him to struggle (let's not act like prime TP who's a better player than Paddy will ever be didn't struggle against guys like Sefalosha) but then you add Kawhi going down and it just wasn't a good situation for a role player like Paddy. It's dumb to judge him on that series unless you are dumb enough to expect him to be able to be effective against elite teams without an MVP level guy to play off of.
Doesn't explain choking against the Thunder and getting eaten up by guys like Austin Rivers. :lol

[EIC]

Anyone defending this deal is so clueless I can't believe you watch more than a few Spurs games a year.

Even at his peak, Patty was that amusing, high-energy "Rudy" type that you root for because he's an underdog. You throw a few mill at him to keep him on the roster because he's entertaining and loyal like a good dog, but by no means do you pay him real money. You get a few years out of him and then sell him high to a bubble East team that's willing to overpay for role players.

It's over, folks. The league has passed the Spurs by. PATFO are going to go down with the ship, playing classy ball and overpaying on loyalty contracts to "character" guys on the way down to the ocean bottom. Bonner might as well come back for $18mm/3 years, for fuck's sake. I just hope Kawhi, Simmons, and Murray get on a life raft before this bitch goes under.

[TimDunkem]

http://i.imgur.com/Q2q12Ff.png


"with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term" :pop:
Holy fuck. :lmao
But, but, but his production can't be replaced!!!! :cry

[objective]

Doesn't explain choking against the Thunder and getting eaten up by guys like Austin Rivers. :lol

or shooting under 35 against Houston

[TimDunkem]

Even at his peak, Patty was that amusing, high-energy "Rudy" type that you root for because he's an underdog. You throw a few mill at him to keep him on the roster because he's entertaining and loyal like a good dog, but by no means do you pay him real money. You get a few years out of him and then sell him high to a bubble East team that's willing to overpay for role players.
Funny how he's suddenly so irreplaceable. Funny when people here were shitting on him all of last season. :lol

[Dverde]

Congrats Patty! He earned this contract, I just thought it would be from anothet team. People complaining about GSW series need to realize Klay playing good D. Everyone knew they were losing after Kwahi went down.

[TimDunkem]

or shooting under 35 against Houston
Or shitting the bed even in the first 3 quarters of game one against GS when Kawhi was getting him open looks. Couldn't even hit one out of six threes. :lmao Just one three would've made the difference.

[cjw]

You could argue Mills isn't worth $12.5M/yr. You can't make a reasonable case that you'd find a replacement for the min. Or can you? Ideas for someone other than Mills that could be had "for cheap?"

Right. If you could unearth the next Mills that easily, they would have. Neal can't stick in the league (who was Mills before Mills) and Forbes probably will never pan out.

Name a team Patty wouldn't play key minutes for. Golden State - maybe - but that's just because of their depth.

[objective]

rookie Andrew Harrison for Memphis produced at the same level

[RD2191]

http://i.imgur.com/Q2q12Ff.png


"with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term" :pop:

Gawd damn. Go easy on them cat man.

[objective]

Do people defending the deal with the notion that Golden State defended him with good defenders really think that's a good defense?

Are they not going to guard him now that he has 50 million in the bank?

Oh, it was the lack of Kawhi ... right ....

Except for the minutes with Kawhi against GS he was building a new Barrier Reef out of bricks.

And who does Mills guard on Golden State?

hmmmmm.

Uh oh.

[FkLA]

Mills will be 29 in August, and if shooting is his main skillset, the Spurs are screwed. Playoffs past the first round on his last contract: 21.7% from 3 against Golden State, 33.3% from 3 against Houston, 23% against OKC

Re: the market, how is it that there's no other back up points on deals like 4/50? How is it that the others who even come close can do a lot more than Mills, like either defend like dirty assholes like Delladova or run a pick-and-roll like Jeremy Lin?

There was no market for no defense, no playmaking, busted shooting short guys with histories of being overweight.

The Spurs just set it so high they played themselves.

:lol You're like the opposite of a homer. I'd much rather have Paddy instead of Delly. Did the dude even have a notable basket or defensive performance for MIL all year? He hardly even played. I also like how y'all love to point out how Paddy's production goes down as the competition becomes more elite, as if that isn't the case for all role players.

881011086924886017

Just because you don't like Paddy doesn't mean other teams weren't interested in him. Again, you yourself are trying to set the market. He's a proven commodity not just with the Spurs but in international basketball as well. He could've easily gotten more.

[spurraider21]

Do people defending the deal with the notion that Golden State defended him with good defenders really think that's a good defense?

Are they not going to guard him now that he has 50 million in the bank?

Oh, it was the lack of Kawhi ... right ....

Except for the minutes with Kawhi against GS he was building a new Barrier Reef out of bricks.

And who does Mills guard on Golden State?

hmmmmm.

Uh oh.
main reason the usual suspects like him is because he's a point guard on the spurs and his name isn't tony parker

[TimDunkem]

rookie Andrew Harrison for Memphis produced at the same level
And he's from SA. Ouch.

[SAGirl]

No, just no. The only chance in hell this team has of reaching another gear is the improvements of Murray and Bertans. And that's not going to happen playing them 15 minutes off the bench. Watch Pop do just that.. IMO. He just got paid, he's going to get those starter minutes IMO.

[lilbthebasedgod]

He's still a project. You shouldn't offer projects 4 year deals even if it's considered cheap.

[SAGirl]

http://i.imgur.com/Q2q12Ff.png "with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term" :pop: Sure, but these guys shit on Kyle Anderson who was terrific in the playoffs going against Draymond DPOY Green. But lets nuthug Patty...

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/Q2q12Ff.png


"with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term" :pop:

:lol PER
:lol Still using a flawed stat that rewards chuckers like Kyrie and Porker in 2017

https://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-24-aii%e2%80%94player-valuation-and-unconventional-wisdom/

[FkLA]

Anyone defending this deal is so clueless I can't believe you watch more than a few Spurs games a year.

Even at his peak, Patty was that amusing, high-energy "Rudy" type that you root for because he's an underdog. You throw a few mill at him to keep him on the roster because he's entertaining and loyal like a good dog, but by no means do you pay him real money. You get a few years out of him and then sell him high to a bubble East team that's willing to overpay for role players.

It's over, folks. The league has passed the Spurs by. PATFO are going to go down with the ship, playing classy ball and overpaying on loyalty contracts to "character" guys on the way down to the ocean bottom. Bonner might as well come back for $18mm/3 years, for fuck's sake. I just hope Kawhi, Simmons, and Murray get on a life raft before this bitch goes under.

Real money? You realize the highest paid players make $40 mill/yr nowadays, right? You idiots need to stop thinking you are the authority on what is or isn't fair value. The current CBA and market dictates that, not you.

[Chinook]

I am disappointed in Mills being the main signing, but the amount of bitching about his contract is unwarranted. So long as Murray is cheap, Patty's deal is more than fine. The Spurs are spending less on that position than a lot of teams -- and that's including Tony's deal.

Patty's skill level warrants the contract; now PATFO has to actually make use of their roster.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol PER
:lol Still using a flawed stat that rewards chuckers like Kyrie and Porker in 2017

https://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-24-aii%e2%80%94player-valuation-and-unconventional-wisdom/
Apparently it doesn't since it hates Pity Mills, Harlem :lol

[TimDunkem]

Sure, but these guys shit on Kyle Anderson who was terrific in the playoffs going against Draymond DPOY Green. But lets nuthug Patty...
Even as a Kyle hater, I can admit he has SOME room to grow. We already know who Patty is. A chucker who can't even run an offense, play D, or create for himself despite being called the "6th man". :lmao

[objective]

:lol You're like the opposite of a homer. I'd much rather have Paddy instead of Delly. Did the dude even have a notable basket or defensive performance for MIL all year? He hardly even played. I also like how y'all love to point out how Paddy's production goes down as the competition becomes more elite, as if that isn't the case for all role players.

881011086924886017

Just because you don't like Paddy doesn't mean other teams weren't interested in him. Again, you yourself are trying to set the market. He's a proven commodity not just with the Spurs but in international basketball as well. He could've easily gotten more.

Delly hardly even played?

He played 26.5 mpg in the playoffs, shot 37.5% from 3, and in all his minutes combined was a + in a series the Bucks lost.

And you're still right, his contract SUCKS and he's not a very good player at that money

Well congratulations, he signed a 4/38.

3 million less per year and with better defense.

[FkLA]

http://i.imgur.com/Q2q12Ff.png


"with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term" :pop:

He also had one of the highest PERs and had a 50/50/95 series against LAC in '15 IIRC. He has his ups and downs. Typical hot and cold 6th man.

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't want Mills, but :lol using PER to judge a player in his role..

[TimDunkem]

Also got lit up by All-NBA 1st-teamer Austin Rivers. :lmao

[objective]

So long as Murray is cheap, Patty's deal is more than fine. The Spurs are spending less on that position than a lot of teams -- and that's including Tony's deal.


Which teams are those?

Golden State yes. And Curry is a thousand times better than Mills and Parker combined.

So is Chris Paul, and there's no guarantee the Rockets even outspend the Spurs at the point position this year.

Conley and Harrison/rando scrubs look like they're more than that salary. They are > Mills/Parker/Murray

Toronto with Lowry will be more. Lowry & Joseph & Wright are better.

I think if we look into it, the teams who are spending more are getting more.

[FkLA]

Delly hardly even played?

He played 26.5 mpg in the playoffs, shot 37.5% from 3, and in all his minutes combined was a + in a series the Bucks lost.

And you're still right, his contract SUCKS and he's not a very good player at that money

Well congratulations, he signed a 4/38.

3 million less per year and with better defense.

Better defender but a significantly worse player. I'll take Paddy and his deal over Delly's.

[100%duncan]

I mean, Langston Galloway got 7 million a year. Patty's contract looking better :lol

[FkLA]

Which teams are those?

Golden State yes. And Curry is a thousand times better than Mills and Parker combined.

So is Chris Paul, and there's no guarantee the Rockets even outspend the Spurs at the point position this year.

Conley and Harrison/rando scrubs look like they're more than that salary. They are > Mills/Parker/Murray

Toronto with Lowry will be more. Lowry & Joseph & Wright are better.

I think if we look into it, the teams who are spending more are getting more.

Teams that spend more on the PG position are getting more?

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/you-dont-say.gif

[TimDunkem]

I mean, Langston Galloway got 7 million a year. Patty's contract looking better :lol
Didn't he light up Patty in NY a few times too? :lol

[RD2191]

Didn't he light up Patty in NY a few times too? :lol

No, that was our other star PG. :lmao MVPorker

[TimDunkem]

No, that was our other star PG. :lmao MVPorker
Oh right. The guy who's coming back to our 4 PG roster "better than ever". :lmao

[100%duncan]

Didn't he light up Patty in NY a few times too? :lol

:lol

[SAGirl]

I am disappointed in Mills being the main signing, but the amount of bitching about his contract is unwarranted. So long as Murray is cheap, Patty's deal is more than fine. The Spurs are spending less on that position than a lot of teams -- and that's including Tony's deal. Patty's skill level warrants the contract; now PATFO has to actually make use of their roster. My main complaint is that I wanted the team to get better and they didn't do squat, paid more for the same backcourt they had last season that really underperformed and had trouble scoring when it mattered. That same crew just got more expensive. They are minus Tony and I have a lot of hope for Dijon but he hasn't been a model of efficiency and can turn into a TO machine in the blink of an eye. He needs to develop, and be given opportunities but not to carry the weight of having to rescue the Spurs from the mess they created with paying Tony and Patty.

[RD2191]

Oh right. The guy who's coming back to our 4 PG roster "better than ever". :lmao

:lobt2: :lol

[TimDunkem]

:lobt2: :lol

Can't wait until he comes back and takes Dejounte's minutes while Patty is building that Trump Wall with all the bricks he'll be chucking up. :lol

[SAGirl]

I didn't want Mills, but :lol using PER to judge a player in his role.. Hes a rather high usage bench player whose role is scoring. any metric you cite will show he was terrible. lol

[SAGirl]

He also had one of the highest PERs and had a 50/50/95 series against LAC in '15 IIRC. He has his ups and downs. Typical hot and cold 6th man. Yes, and in that series the team lost bc Austin Rivers had a coming out party and ran all over him scoring at will.

[TimDunkem]

Yes, and in that series the team lost bc Austin Rivers had a coming out party and ran all over him scoring at will.
:lmao Typical Fatty. 9 points per!...Then proceeds to give up 10.

[FkLA]

Yes, and in that series the team lost bc Austin Rivers had a coming out party and ran all over him scoring at will.

Seriously, you too?

No, the reason we lost is bc Pop decided to go down with Enrique who shot like 30% that series instead of rolling with Paddy who was having arguably his best series. Paddy was the far better option at PG by every single metric despite his struggles defending Doc Jr.

[UZER]

It's 2017 and Manu and Parker still have major roles on this team. :lol

[objective]

Teams that spend more on the PG position are getting more?

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/you-dont-say.gif

Let me clarify, the teams that spend more are GETTING A LOT LOT LOT MORE

And plenty of teams that spend less I bet are still getting more.

Spurs find a middle ground of highly paid underperformance

[TimDunkem]

It's 2017 and Manu and Parker still have major roles on this team. :lol
Someone has to run the offense from the bench while Fatty is running around chucking up bricks. :lol

[SAGirl]

Seriously, you too? No, the reason we lost is bc Pop decided to go down with Enrique who shot like 30% that series instead of rolling with Paddy who was having arguably his best series. Paddy was the far better option at PG by every single metric despite his struggles defending Doc Jr. I really don't want to get on Patty individually, but I did expect the Spurs to make a move to improve bc they had issues with the backcourt going on two seasons at least. They didn't do squat so I am not a happy camper. I will get over it eventually, I suppose. I don't hate neither Tony nor Patty... but I did want someone better even if it's more expensive, bc you do pay for talent, but Pop loves both too much. He wasn't going to trade Tony much to everyone's dismay, and now he's letting us know hes' standing pat with the two of them. Only hope again is Dijon's development, which is a lot to put on a 21 year old that still needs to develop his game.

[EIC]

Real money? You realize the highest paid players make $40 mill/yr nowadays, right? You idiots need to stop thinking you are the authority on what is or isn't fair value. The current CBA and market dictates that, not you.

This would make more sense if the Spurs had tons of cash to pay max contracts for the players they need to compete with GSW. But they don't so it doesn't. Nice try, though.

[TD 21]

Gloating is generally not my style, but considering all the heat I took, I think I've earned it. Not only was I steadfast that he'd be re-signed, but that it would be in this range. Don't know if he actually took less in total than what Nets were offering or if he got about the same, but did for a lesser average annual value though.

Really, anyone who's followed them long and closely enough should have seen this coming. They're a predictable, narrow minded organization, that's clearly become antiquated and content with just being good . . . they keep doing stupid things like this and they'll deserve to lose Leonard.

:lmao At the apologists who acted like I didn't know what would happen and should wait to complain.
:lmao At the notion of '18 flexibility. Said all along it was a myth because they'd likely spend much of it on significant raises to incumbent players, so they can lock in a team that already wasn't good enough and has fallen further back.

[SpursforSix]

Gloating is generally not my style, but considering all the heat I took, I think I've earned it. Not only was I steadfast that he'd be re-signed, but that it would be in this range. Don't know if he actually took less in total than what Nets were offering or if he got about the same, but did for a lesser average annual value though.

Really, anyone who's followed them long and closely enough should have seen this coming. They're a predictable, narrow minded organization, that's clearly become antiquated and content with just being good . . . they keep doing stupid things like this and they'll deserve to lose Leonard.

:lmao At the apologists who acted like I didn't know what would happen and should wait to complain.
:lmao At the notion of '18 flexibility. Said all along it was a myth because they'd likely spend much of it on significant raises to incumbent players, so they can lock in a team that already wasn't good enough and has fallen further back.

Meh. Priority one next off season is sign Parker. Then the other chips will fall in place.

[TimDunkem]

Gloating is generally not my style, but considering all the heat I took, I think I've earned it. Not only was I steadfast that he'd be re-signed, but that it would be in this range. Don't know if he actually took less in total than what Nets were offering or if he got about the same, but did for a lesser average annual value though.

Really, anyone who's followed them long and closely enough should have seen this coming. They're a predictable, narrow minded organization, that's clearly become antiquated and content with just being good . . . they keep doing stupid things like this and they'll deserve to lose Leonard.

:lmao At the apologists who acted like I didn't know what would happen and should wait to complain.
:lmao At the notion of '18 flexibility. Said all along it was a myth because they'd likely spend much of it on significant raises to incumbent players, so they can lock in a team that already wasn't good enough and has fallen further back.
On this one, you're Shaq, ST is Dudley.

https://media.giphy.com/media/OQXYmG262NxWo/giphy.gif

[therealtruth]

The Warriors are offering Iggy 13-15M and the Spurs are paying Mills 12.5M? The Spurs should have put some incentives in there like being able to score more than 7ppg in an important playoff series.

[Seventyniner]

I wonder when we'll find out if year 4 is normal, player option, team option, partial guarantee?

[Atl Spur]

Gloating is generally not my style, but considering all the heat I took, I think I've earned it. Not only was I steadfast that he'd be re-signed, but that it would be in this range. Don't know if he actually took less in total than what Nets were offering or if he got about the same, but did for a lesser average annual value though.

Really, anyone who's followed them long and closely enough should have seen this coming. They're a predictable, narrow minded organization, that's clearly become antiquated and content with just being good . . . they keep doing stupid things like this and they'll deserve to lose Leonard.

:lmao At the apologists who acted like I didn't know what would happen and should wait to complain.
:lmao At the notion of '18 flexibility. Said all along it was a myth because they'd likely spend much of it on significant raises to incumbent players, so they can lock in a team that already wasn't good enough and has fallen further back.

Noted

[TimDunkem]

The Warriors are offering Iggy 13-15M and the Spurs are paying Mills 12.5M? The Spurs should have put some incentives in there like being able to score more than 7ppg in an important playoff series.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Robin-Lopez-Suns-Bench-Shock-Reaction.gif

[dabom]

:lol PER
:lol Still using a flawed stat that rewards chuckers like Kyrie and Porker in 2017

https://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-24-aii%e2%80%94player-valuation-and-unconventional-wisdom/

I was gonna point this out. :lol

[dabom]

I'm awake. Anyone bitching is gonna get relegated.

[therealtruth]

Seriously, you too?

No, the reason we lost is bc Pop decided to go down with Enrique who shot like 30% that series instead of rolling with Paddy who was having arguably his best series. Paddy was the far better option at PG by every single metric despite his struggles defending Doc Jr.

I agree in that series it seemed Patty seemed the better option. Helped get that crucial game 2 win. Meanwhile TP missing fastbreak layups cost game 7.