Woj:Patty Mills has agreed to a 4-year, $50M deal to stay with San Antonio

[vy65]

Both Green and Fathead get paid less than Patty and outperformed him last night. Those comparisons prove that Fatty is an overpaid piece of shit.

[vy65]

He's one of the only few players that have. :lmao

Do you know what a salary is? It means total. :lmao

Didn't answer my question. Try again.

Did Patty earn his paycheck last night?

[dabom]

Both Green and Fathead get paid less than Patty and outperformed him last night. Those comparisons prove that Fatty is an overpaid piece of shit.

Fathead played better. :lmao

[vy65]

We'll he played better than fathead so... :lmao

No.

[dabom]

Do you know who The Closer is? :lmao

There is a reason. :lmao

[vy65]

Fathead played better. :lmao

:lmao is not a response. Glad to see you're conceding this point since it's a loser for you.

[vy65]

Do you know who The Closer is? :lmao

There is a reason. :lmao

No, I don't know your idiotic terminology. Sorry.

[dabom]

:rofl is not a response. Glad to see you're conceding this point since it's a loser for you.

I answered you many times without you answering shit. :lmao

[vy65]

I answered you many times without you answering shit. :lmao

You might think you did. I totally believe that. But in reality, you really didn't. Sorry.

[dabom]

No, I don't know your idiotic terminology. Sorry.

Now we know you're lying. Wouldn't be the first time in this thread. :lmao

[DAF86]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/say-you-do-here.gif

If you close your eyes a little and blurry your vision, they look a bit like RC and Pop.

[TimDunkem]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/say-you-do-here.gif

Wow. This is actually a great example of the Pop/RC/Mills relationship, tbh.

Mills is basically Livingston's character - aloof, doesn't give a shit, doesn't work - and his superiors are eating it up, letting him slide by. All because they love his character and the culture he brings to the company.

So, what happens next? They give him a fatter paycheck. :lmao

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[HarlemHeat37]

Dabom, I love you, but aren't you at least a little disappointed that Patty isn't in optimal playing shape? Role players are naturally inconsistent, so I don't blame him for that, but he needs to lose 5-10 lbs IMO..

[dabom]

Dabom, I love you, but aren't you at least a little disappointed that Patty isn't in optimal playing shape? Role players are naturally inconsistent, so I don't blame him for that, but he needs to lose 5-10 lbs IMO..

He isn't overweight my dude. That's a shtick. We all know Patty Kawhi duo is the best duo on the team. We need that in the playoffs. It's just easy pickings until then. :lol

[dabom]

http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/h/0/v/z/p/o/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.h0vzpj.png/1518478501650.jpg

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10211245/usa_today_10585670.jpg

[pad300]

Things that can't be right.

"Patty sucks"

Gets 50 mil.

:lmao

Shitty posters. :lmao

I think there is a problem with your logic here. Did Richard Jefferson not suck? He got a larger chunk of the salary cap than Patty did... You're making an assumption that everything the PATFO does is right. If that's your position... we are going to end up disagreeing a lot.

[r0drig0lac]

Wow. This is actually a great example of the Pop/RC/Mills relationship, tbh.

Mills is basically Livingston's character - aloof, doesn't give a shit, doesn't work - and his superiors are eating it up, letting him slide by. All because they love his character and the culture he brings to the company.

So, what happens next? They give him a fatter paycheck. :lmao

https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/2014officespace1.gif
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif perfect

[dabom]

I think there is a problem with your logic here. Did Richard Jefferson not suck? He got a larger chunk of the salary cap than Patty did... You're making an assumption that everything the PATFO does is right. If that's your position...

Richard Jefferson took up like a third of the cap to do jack shit in the playoffs for many years. :lmao

[spurraider21]

dude has a negative BPM, negative RPM, and has been a net negative on/off player all season

[TheDoctor]

Not a one game sample size faggot. :lmao
Hahahaha go ahead. Tell us more about +/- :lol

#TheBackpedaling :lmao

[dabom]

Second rate posters. Never been right about shit. :lmao

[dabom]

I never think, "hmmm TheDoctor spurraider21 been posting quality basketball takes". :lmao

[pad300]

Richard Jefferson took up like a third of the cap to do jack shit in the playoffs for many years. :lmao

Patty Mills 2016-17 playoffs

Ortg 111 Drtg 116 Net -5
per 11.6
FG% 40.7 3FG% 36
VORP 0.3 BPM 0.6 DBPM -0.3 OBPM 0.9
WS/48 0.70

He`s not exactly pulling up trees for us in the playoffs...

[dabom]

Patty Mills 2016-17 playoffs

Ortg 111 Drtg 116 Net -5
per 11.6
FG% 40.7 3FG% 36
VORP 0.3 BPM 0.6 DBPM -0.3 OBPM 0.9
WS/48 0.70

He`s not exactly pulling up trees for us in the playoffs...

Well Kawhi went out in the 3rd quarter of the last 4 game series. Of course those totals are worse. :lmao

Such a shitty fucking poster. :lmao

Wasn't bitching when we were up huh? :lmao

[spursistan]

Again Dabom for ya:


^ This autistic midget is basically reduced to this line of "argument" when defending his boy: "Patty is good because I say so faggots :lmao"..

[dabom]

One of the greatest sports FO gave him 50 mil. I don't think ya know what is going on basketball wise. He is the top ball handler and he pushes the tempo and passes the ball.

Pop is giving him the instructions ya dumb fucks. He is playing well. And Pop agrees with my assessment. Otherwise he wouldn't be playing so much. :lmao

Ya basketball takes. :lmao

[spurraider21]

Dabom, I love you, but aren't you at least a little disappointed that Patty isn't in optimal playing shape? Role players are naturally inconsistent, so I don't blame him for that, but he needs to lose 5-10 lbs IMO..
he's been consistent. that's the problem

[pad300]

Well Kawhi went out in the 3rd quarter of the last 4 game series. Of course those totals are worse. :lmao

Such a shitty fucking poster. :lmao

Wasn't bitching when we were up huh? :lmao

His numbers as a starter - went TP wasn't carrying the load:
RK G Date Age Tm Opp GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc +/-

11 11 2017-05-09 28-271 SAS HOU W (+3) 1 43:14:00 7 16 0.438 5 12 0.417 1 2 0.5 1 0 1 4 1 0 1 2 20 13.9 8
12 12 2017-05-11 28-273 SAS @ HOU W (+39) 1 27:20:00 6 10 0.6 2 6 0.333 0 0 2 1 3 7 1 0 1 4 14 14.4 25
13 13 2017-05-14 28-276 SAS @ GSW L (-2) 1 37:17:00 1 8 0.125 0 6 0 3 4 0.75 1 1 2 3 2 0 1 3 5 2.3 -15
14 14 2017-05-16 28-278 SAS @ GSW L (-36) 1 21:04 2 6 0.333 1 4 0.25 0 0 0 2 2 1 2 0 1 0 5 3.9 -9
15 15 2017-05-20 28-282 SAS GSW L (-12) 1 32:35:00 2 10 0.2 1 4 0.25 2 2 1 0 1 1 6 2 0 1 1 7 5.9 -20
16 16 2017-05-22 28-284 SAS GSW L (-14) 1 30:03:00 4 13 0.308 3 9 0.333 3 3 1 1 3 4 3 0 1 3 1 14 7.5 -24

His overall FG% 35%, 3FG% 29%...

He was fine then as a backup, but now he's getting paid like a starter. There's a problem. Also, we have 2 contenders for the back up PG slot - Tony and Patty. Who do you think the FO is going to pick. The franchise can't afford to pay them both big money...

[dabom]

All I see here is Kawhi going down. Faggot. :lmao

[dabom]

I don't see anyone bitching at LMA this year. In fact, everyone wanted him gone for peanuts this summer. Context matters. Patty played well and got paid for it. Facts.

[TheDoctor]

“No one uses +/-...” proceeded to mention that Patty was a +1. GTFO :lmao

[dabom]

“No one uses +/-...” proceeded to mention that Patty was a +1. GTFO :lmao

You have zero decent/above average takes on ST. :lol

[TheDoctor]

You have zero decent/above average takes on ST. :lol
#TheOwnage :lmao

[dabom]

#TheOwnage :lmao

Facts. :lmao

[SAGirl]

Tbh, no LMA, Kawhi, or Gay is an even bigger reason why you can't lay an egg out there and put up 0 points. Mills plays a sixth man type role and it's not like anyone was taking his shots. 0 in that situation is inexcusable.
Absolutely. No pressure bitches.

[dabom]

Absolutely. No pressure bitches.

Ironic from a fathead super fan. :lmao

[SAGirl]

“No one uses +/-...” proceeded to mention that Patty was a +1. GTFO :lmao
:lmao
Coat tailed on Danny getting hot in the second half while playing with the bench.. and of course Joff looking decent for a short stretch in the first half.

“No pressure” 0-2, plus 3-10 against GSW bitches.

[dabom]

When fathead doesn't sign with the Spurs. :lmao

[pad300]

When fathead doesn't sign with the Spurs. :lmao

A significant part of it is going to be spending too much money on a undersized 2 guard who's only good point is his 3 pt shooting, which has been pretty iffy...

[AFMadison]

Dabom clinging to the ledge.

[Ice009]

I honestly thinks Mills thinks his shooting is all about his shoulder injury.

I recall him saying recently (within the past 6 months) that he shouldn't have played through it. I think he thinks that the shoulder injury has ruined his shooting and that he's not shooting as good as he was because of it. He also probably thinks the money is compensation for playing through that injury, and I think that's why he doesn't give a fuck about ripping the Spurs off, or how bad his play is on the court this season.

Now if it was me, I'd rather play through it, have one Championship and a slightly busted up shoulder (even if I couldn't get back to me top level shooting after rehabbing it) than zero championships and a fully healthy shoulder.

If this is what it's all about for him, he can go fuck himself.

[dabom]

I honestly thinks Mills thinks his shooting is all about his shoulder injury.

I recall him saying recently (within the past 6 months) that he shouldn't have played through it. I think he thinks that the shoulder injury has ruined his shooting and that he's not shooting as good as he was because of it. He also probably thinks the money is compensation for playing through that injury, and I think that's why he doesn't give a fuck about ripping the Spurs off, or how bad his play is on the court this season.

Now if it was me, I'd rather play through it, have one Championship and a slightly busted up shoulder (even if I couldn't get back to me top level shooting after rehabbing it) than zero championships and a fully healthy shoulder.

If this is what it's all about for him, he can go fuck himself.

He played on a bum shoulder and the Spurs knew. And you dare question his heart.

[Ice009]

He played on a bum shoulder and the Spurs knew. And you dare question his heart.

I question him saying that he shouldn't have done it.

I'd do it if I never won a Championship before, fuck, I'd do it if I had multiple Championships.

I think he's upset now after the fact that he played through it and doesn't give a fuck about playing poorly or the money he's stealing. I truly do think he thinks he deserves it for that shoulder injury. I think he's blaming the shoulder for not being able to shoot as great as he did back then.

[Chinook]

I honestly thinks Mills thinks his shooting is all about his shoulder injury.

I recall him saying recently (within the past 6 months) that he shouldn't have played through it. I think he thinks that the shoulder injury has ruined his shooting and that he's not shooting as good as he was because of it. He also probably thinks the money is compensation for playing through that injury, and I think that's why he doesn't give a fuck about ripping the Spurs off, or how bad his play is on the court this season.

Now if it was me, I'd rather play through it, have one Championship and a slightly busted up shoulder (even if I couldn't get back to me top level shooting after rehabbing it) than zero championships and a fully healthy shoulder.

If this is what it's all about for him, he can go fuck himself.

I mean, you get paid what you're owed. Would be a weird undercurrent in the alleged Cold War between Kawhi and PATFO if Mills feels the Spurs ruined his career, along with Kawhi maybe thinking he should not have played in the WCF last year and Green be tossed out there despite his injuries. Even the stink with Kyle coming to the surface. There've been a number of bad-smelling rumors and incidents floating up from the team for a bit more than a year now. I could definitely see Pop retiring if it weren't for the USANT.

[dabom]

I don't see anything wrong with Patty though. Nothing.

[TheDoctor]

I don't see anything wrong with Patty though. Nothing.

Gotta be that new OLEG wide screen TV you bought. Everything seems so real and wide and crisp and wide.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fuck.

[vy65]

-2

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't see anything wrong with Patty though. Nothing.
With his aboriginal nut in your eyes, I don't blame ya midget

[r0drig0lac]

patty lost the game tonight with his presence on the court

[Silver&Black]

Who is Patty Mills' agent?

........and can we add him to the "Spurs Killer" list?

[TheDoctor]

Who is Patty Mills' agent?

........and can we add him to the "Spurs Killer" list?
:lol

[objective]

Man, that fourth year is a first degree murder.

If it was only 3 years, it would have been a movable deal. Might have cost a first rounder, but survivable.

Can't survive the fourth year.

Congratulations to all the pro-Mills deal people on the first few days of this thread. You must be really enjoying his performance.

Imagine how much worse he'll get as he enters his 30s and slows down.

:lol: :pop: :lol:

[MaNu4Tres]

Man, that fourth year is a first degree murder.

If it was only 3 years, it would have been a movable deal. Might have cost a first rounder, but survivable.

Can't survive the fourth year.

Congratulations to all the pro-Mills deal people on the first few days of this thread. You must be really enjoying his performance.

Imagine how much worse he'll get as he enters his 30s and slows down.

:lol: :pop: :lol:

Pathetic. It's obvious how much better Derrick is than him, Tony, Bryn, Paul. He's even better than Murray right now, but I think Murray has higher ceiling still.

Green > or = to White > Murray > Manu > Tony > Patty= Bryn > Shane Heal> Mike Bud > Negale Knight > Brandon Paul tbh.

[spursistan]

Even the most dedicated of anti-Mills brigade couldn't foresee the degree of awfulness in this contract.:lol

[UZER]

Even the most dedicated of anti-Mills brigade couldn't foresee the degree of awfulness in this contract.:lol

Planets, bruh. Get over it.

:pop:

[spursistan]

You could argue this is currently one of the 20 worst contracts in the league..it is only a tier below the Chandler Parsons/Noah/Batum abominations.

If this is what you're getting out him in Year 1 while being fully healthy, i shudder to think of Mills when crosses to the wrong side of 30 and start to get banged-up more often..

Spurs got to find a way to move him this summer.

[HarlemHeat37]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/pickandroll.com.au/aussies-nba-patty-mills-become-australias-richest-sportsman-2017/amp/

Damn, that blogger:toast

[bklynspursfan]

Some quotes on Patty Thrills. Full link below



“He’s always so positive and brings that ‘juice’ we always talk about,” Ginobili said. “Not only on the court with his shots, his steals, his hustle plays, but in the locker room too.


“He’s an outstanding teammate and we feed off him.”


Mills said he has tried since day one with the Spurs to spread good cheer throughout the locker room. But he stressed it was absolutely vital for him to do so this year because of all the adversity the team has faced.




But the Spurs didn’t give him the pact with the hope he would elevate his game to another level. The contract was a reward for what he had done the previous six seasons in Silver & Black along with the expectation he would continue to provide sharpshooting, what Popovich calls his “fierce” defense, hustle and leadership.


“There were no expectations or added pressure that I felt after the summer,” Mills said. “From my end and from the organization’s end, what was done in the summer was done for the previous years. The expectations were for me to come in and to do my job and to keep learning and keep growing as well.




“He can change the game up with his shooting and energy,” center Pau Gasol said. “He moved up to the starting lineup to give us that spark and another shooter to spread the floor and give space for Dejounte’s penetration and LaMarcus (Aldridge’s) post-ups. It gives us better balance in that starting unit.”


But, again, it is the consistent positive energy Mills oozes that his teammates appreciate most.


“He brightens people’s days, brightens people’s moods, motivates us,” guard Danny Green said. “We know he is going to bring the juice every day. He’s had a bum knee for a whole year, but yet he’s the only person that has played every game for us, hasn’t taken any rest days or been injured. :wow




“His energy is just something everybody feels and gravitates toward and kind of absorbs.”




https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/In-good-times-or-bad-Mills-provides-Spurs-plenty-12799310.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

[SpursforSix]

2017-2018 Valuemeter:

Patty Mills, PG, San Antonio Spurs
Valuemeter:

Values (based on 2017-2018 salary)
3 point shooting: $3,500,000
bringing good mood: $11,500,000

[SAGirl]

There no doubt the team needs him, first bc they are offensively challenged without Kiwi, and second bc he's their best shooter and their best offensive guard at this point. He's got limitations obviously.

He wasn't projected to be a starter, play this many minutes or have the ball so much... It's one of those things that has been a result of Kiwi having missed the entire season. He has been better lately and it shows in the Spurs record. No matter how poor he's playing in some games he's still going to get his minutes so we might as well hope he plays well at this point.

And here's for my friend sasaint (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12242):

"He’s one of our team leaders,” Popovich said. “He’s always ready to do whatever it takes to win the basketball game or get a teammate up. He’s pretty spectacular.”

“And over this season, I have learned a lot more, while also being in a leadership position of bridging the gap between the older guys and the young guys, and helping those younger guys understand the Spurs culture. And it’s been great. I’ve loved every bit of it.”

[tholdren]

I called kl andrew bynum... i was right

[dabom]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/pickandroll.com.au/aussies-nba-patty-mills-become-australias-richest-sportsman-2017/amp/

Damn, that blogger:toast


We all knew he was gonna get paid before that. :lol

Also,

https://pnr-thepickandroll.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/patty_money-720x405.jpg

:lol

I need to add that to my sig.

[Hoops Czar]

There no doubt the team needs him, first bc they are offensively challenged without Kiwi, and second bc he's their best shooter and their best offensive guard at this point. He's got limitations obviously.

He wasn't projected to be a starter, play this many minutes or have the ball so much... It's one of those things that has been a result of Kiwi having missed the entire season. He has been better lately and it shows in the Spurs record. No matter how poor he's playing in some games he's still going to get his minutes so we might as well hope he plays well at this point.

And here's for my friend sasaint (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12242):

Paddy Mills doesn't play SF so I don't know how you think Kawhi's injury has anything to do with Paddy's increased playing time. He wasn't projected to be a starter yet here he is. Pop is trying to justify that $50M contract more than anything and all he's showing to this point is why it is so abundantly clear for everyone to see why he shouldn't be projected as a starter.

[Chinook]

Paddy Mills doesn't play SF so I don't know how you think Kawhi's injury has anything to do with Paddy's increased playing time.

This is actually a really easy extension. Patty's starting because the team needs scoring in the first unit. Had Leonard been starting, the team would not need scoring. If Murray, Green or Anderson were capable of being second- or third-options, Mills would likely be on the bench.

[Hoops Czar]

This is actually a really easy extension. Patty's starting because the team needs scoring in the first unit. Had Leonard been starting, the team would not need scoring. If Murray, Green or Anderson were capable of being second- or third-options, Mills would likely be on the bench.

Not really. He's been a below average offensive player and he struggles mightily to run the offense. You can argue that he makes Aldridge a better offensive player (although I'm not subscribing to that theory) but that's the extent of his effectiveness. I guarantee you that when/if Kawhi comes back, Paddy will remain the starter and his minutes will remain unchanged. He averaged nearly 29 minutes per game in March.

Yeah, they need offense in the absence of Kawhi but the real reason he's getting so many minutes is because Parker is a non threat on the offensive end and Danny Green's been atrocious offensively as well.

[keithington1]

They should have frontloaded the hell out of that contract. RC could pay taxes for one year so Mills can make 25 million that first year.

[objective]

I was thinking about how worthwhile it would be to trade Mills and a first or two to get DeMarre Carroll. A real SF who can defend a little while also junking Mills.

But then I found out that it wouldn't work straight up because it would take them into the tax and therefore limited the amount they can take back etc etc and long story short the Spurs would have to include salary. Only way to do it is to include Cunningham but he won't be eligible for months anyway.

So even that deal can't really happen.

Spurs are stuck with Patty's Cancer Contract for a long, long time.

Really not looking forward to him getting gift starts and playing 30+ minutes a game.

[Stabula]

It still hurts...

[cd021]

I was thinking about how worthwhile it would be to trade Mills and a first or two to get DeMarre Carroll. A real SF who can defend a little while also junking Mills.

But then I found out that it wouldn't work straight up because it would take them into the tax and therefore limited the amount they can take back etc etc and long story short the Spurs would have to include salary. Only way to do it is to include Cunningham but he won't be eligible for months anyway.

So even that deal can't really happen.

Spurs are stuck with Patty's Cancer Contract for a long, long time.

Really not looking forward to him getting gift starts and playing 30+ minutes a game.

Gasol and a 2021 second for Caroll, and we'd be cooking with fire.

Also lol at the thought of giving up 2 firsts to get out of Mills deal, the deal is fine and likely to look significantly better every year going forward

[cd021]

I'm just going to say it; Mills deal is fine going forward.

Estimated Salary Cap (next 3 years)

2018-2019-$109 million
2019-2020-$116 millon
2020-2021 $124 million (guestimate I heard on a podcast)

Mills contract jumps by about $800,000 per season, meaning that the cap jumps will likely eclipse his salary raises by as much as 100%. over each of the final 3 years.

By the end of that deal, hell be making something like 8% of the cap.

[vander]

Makes that 9 mill for KA look like a bargain.
Mills (shooter): 10 points on 8.3 shots (almost 30 and plays a crowded position)
KA (can't/won't shoot): 8 points on 6 shots (25y/o and plays an almost empty position)
lol

[r0drig0lac]

I was thinking about how worthwhile it would be to trade Mills and a first or two to get DeMarre Carroll. A real SF who can defend a little while also junking Mills.

But then I found out that it wouldn't work straight up because it would take them into the tax and therefore limited the amount they can take back etc etc and long story short the Spurs would have to include salary. Only way to do it is to include Cunningham but he won't be eligible for months anyway.

So even that deal can't really happen.

Spurs are stuck with Patty's Cancer Contract for a long, long time.

Really not looking forward to him getting gift starts and playing 30+ minutes a game.

win-win do it

[bklynspursfan]

I'm just going to say it; Mills deal is fine going forward.

Estimated Salary Cap (next 3 years)

2018-2019-$109 million
2019-2020-$116 millon
2020-2021 $124 million (guestimate I heard on a podcast)

Mills contract jumps by about $800,000 per season, meaning that the cap jumps will likely eclipse his salary raises by as much as 100%. over each of the final 3 years.

By the end of that deal, hell be making something like 8% of the cap.

+1

I also expect him to be better this year. He was bounced around a lot due to injuries and the drama with HWSNBN the 2nd, and should benefit from having a more consistent role. Having a guy like DeMar who can break down a defense and drive/kick helps guys like Mills/Bertans, etc..

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm just going to say it; Mills deal is fine going forward.

Estimated Salary Cap (next 3 years)

2018-2019-$109 million
2019-2020-$116 millon
2020-2021 $124 million (guestimate I heard on a podcast)

Mills contract jumps by about $800,000 per season, meaning that the cap jumps will likely eclipse his salary raises by as much as 100%. over each of the final 3 years.

By the end of that deal, hell be making something like 8% of the cap.

How do you figure 8%? Patty in those years will be making around $13M/yr. Clearly larger than 10% according to your estimates of salary cap.

[Dverde]

Patty can really be a glue guy for us with our emo superstars. He’s overpaid but not worthless.

[TimmyBuckets]

Patty can really be a glue guy for us with our emo superstars. He’s overpaid but not worthless.

[SpursDynasty85]

Patty can really be a glue guy for us with our emo superstars. He’s overpaid but not worthless.

True but eventually our guard rotation will force a trade or younger guys rotting at the bench.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Fatty Stacks

[objective]

Patty can really be a glue guy for us with our emo superstars. He’s overpaid but not worthless.

Sadly he's been a terrible glue guy.

Under Mills' locker room presence his star teammates have either asked for a trade or forced their way out in a trade after quitting.

Maybe if he went back to waving a towel from the bench instead of playing he'd be better.

[DJR210]

Saw this thread pop up and got scared for second..

[sasaint]

+1

I also expect him to be better this year. He was bounced around a lot due to injuries and the drama with HWSNBN the 2nd, and should benefit from having a more consistent role. Having a guy like DeMar who can break down a defense and drive/kick helps guys like Mills/Bertans, etc..

Trading Patty is an obsession with some ST posters. The truth is, whether he is starting or coming off the bench, he is likely going to be a Spur until at least the end of his current contract. Pop is not going to trade him. Pop sees great value in Patty, and that will only increase when (whenever) Manu calls it a day.

[SpursDynasty85]

Trading Patty is an obsession with some ST posters. The truth is, whether he is starting or coming off the bench, he is likely going to be a Spur until at least the end of his current contract. Pop is not going to trade him. Pop sees great value in Patty, and that will only increase when (whenever) Manu calls it a day.

Yea probably wont happen but that means we will see more small ball. Belli, White, and Walker has to see minutes somewhere. Probably at the 3 then.

[cd021]

How do you figure 8%? Patty in those years will be making around $13M/yr. Clearly larger than 10% according to your estimates of salary cap.

9.5% by year 4, and that would be assuming that the Spurs are just a cap space team. If they were to go over, he'd be a very small part of the actual team payroll. It's not like he's going to be taking up 18-20% of the cap in the final year of his deal and would be around about 10% in year 3

[cd021]

Yea probably wont happen but that means we will see more small ball. Belli, White, and Walker has to see minutes somewhere. Probably at the 3 then.

I think Mills, White and Walker will eventually play together off the bench. If White and Walker live up to their potential as defenders then I think that is probably a non issue, plus all three are plus shooters.

I don't think Mills is going to limit minutes for White or Walker and PATFO reportedly really likes both of them as players so that is almost certainly not going to happen.

[cd021]

Trading Patty is an obsession with some ST posters. The truth is, whether he is starting or coming off the bench, he is likely going to be a Spur until at least the end of his current contract. Pop is not going to trade him. Pop sees great value in Patty, and that will only increase when (whenever) Manu calls it a day.

I don't think it is impossible that Mills gets moved, but probably not before year 3 or 4 of his deal. PATFO apparently really likes Derrick White, and based on R.Cs comments, they view Walker as a lottery level talent.

If they need to carve out more playing time for those two /saving and or relocating money Mills could be a casualty.

[sasaint]

I don't think it is impossible that Mills gets moved, but probably not before year 3 or 4 of his deal. PATFO apparently really likes Derrick White, and based on R.Cs comments, they view Walker as a lottery level talent.

If they need to carve out more playing time for those two /saving and or relocating money Mills could be a casualty.

After Manu, Patty is the last true connection with the GOAT era. Get used to having him around.

Judging by the way Pop buried White in Austin last season when he showed clear signs of being able to help the Spurs, I don't see all the love for him, tbh. Pop seems determined to force Murray into the PG slot and push the natural PG, White, into the SG slot.

And Walker isn't the first "lottery caliber" player they have landed in the draft. Remember Kyle Anderson?

[cd021]

After Manu, Patty is the last true connection with the GOAT era. Get used to having him around.

Judging by the way Pop buried White in Austin last season when he showed clear signs of being able to help the Spurs, I don't see all the love for him, tbh. Pop seems determined to force Murray into the PG slot and push the natural PG, White, into the SG slot.

And Walker isn't the first "lottery caliber" player they have landed in the draft. Remember Kyle Anderson?


-Anderson was a projected lottery pick that fell due to concerns about his remarkable lack of athleticism, speed, sketchy shooting, and defensive issues. Walker is the better prospect of the two at similar points in their career. He's an excellent athlete, good speed, solid shooter, and while he isn't a good defender, he has the tools to be good like Murray became.

-Valid point on White and nothing that I haven't thought. PATFO clearly wanted Kuzma then Bradley but LA and Utah leapfrogged them and the Spurs ended up taking White. White was probably already better than Forbes last season, yet he played the fewest minutes of any Spurs 1st round rookie in a decade.

With that being said; Jeff McDonald mentioned several times, on a recent Back to Back podcast, that the Spurs really liked White and that he could have a role on the team this season. With DeRozen on the team, Murray is probably going to be playing more like an SG anyways, though this shooting improvement that he's shown during the offseason would have to translate for that to not be a mess. White is a combo guard; he can certainly shoot well enough to be a full time 2 and has enough playmaking skills to share those responsibilities with Murray or DeRozen, though probably not this season.

-White's skill set more closely resembles Mill's than Anderson's which has been a comp for him. With the cap set to spike during year 3 and year 4 of Mills deal and White presumably continuing to improve and Mills probably beginning to decline, it wouldn't surprise me that the Spurs move Mills due to his expendability.

Recent history has seen little roster turnover but the that has obviously changed. Kawhi, Green, and Parker had each played at least 7 seasons with the Spurs; after Manu and Mills, LMA is the longest tenured Spur now. Point being, that PATFO probably won't keep him around for sentimental reasons if the basketball reasons don't make sense too.

[sasaint]

-Anderson was a projected lottery pick that fell due to concerns about his remarkable lack of athleticism, speed, sketchy shooting, and defensive issues. Walker is the better prospect of the two at similar points in their career. He's an excellent athlete, good speed, solid shooter, and while he isn't a good defender, he has the tools to be good like Murray became.

-Valid point on White and nothing that I haven't thought. PATFO clearly wanted Kuzma then Bradley but LA and Utah leapfrogged them and the Spurs ended up taking White. White was probably already better than Forbes last season, yet he played the fewest minutes of any Spurs 1st round rookie in a decade.

With that being said; Jeff McDonald mentioned several times, on a recent Back to Back podcast, that the Spurs really liked White and that he could have a role on the team this season. With DeRozen on the team, Murray is probably going to be playing more like an SG anyways, though this shooting improvement that he's shown during the offseason would have to translate for that to not be a mess. White is a combo guard; he can certainly shoot well enough to be a full time 2 and has enough playmaking skills to share those responsibilities with Murray or DeRozen, though probably not this season.

-White's skill set more closely resembles Mill's than Anderson's which has been a comp for him. With the cap set to spike during year 3 and year 4 of Mills deal and White presumably continuing to improve and Mills probably beginning to decline, it wouldn't surprise me that the Spurs move Mills due to his expendability.

Recent history has seen little roster turnover but the that has obviously changed. Kawhi, Green, and Parker had each played at least 7 seasons with the Spurs; after Manu and Mills, LMA is the longest tenured Spur now. Point being, that PATFO probably won't keep him around for sentimental reasons if the basketball reasons don't make sense too.

You may call them "sentimental reasons", but I believe they are more than merely sentimental. "Cultural reasons", though much mocked and maligned by some posters on ST, seems like a better designation to me - definitely more value-laden than mere sentimentality. But whatever you wish to call the reasons, Pop is not trading Patty this year, for sure. You even pin-point the cultural abyss beyond Mills when you note that LMA would become our senior statesman after Manu and Patty. He is a beta who wanted a trade a season ago - definitely NOT any conduit of Spurs' winning culture.

And you may call White a combo-guard, but he is more like a modern PG. The bottom line, however, is that of the guards on our current roster, he is by far the best PG prospect. Murray doesn't have anything like White's passing ability, court vision or handles. He has to develop skills that White already has. Plus, he is unlikely to ever develop White's innate ability to see the floor. But by every indication White is the odd man out here.

I agree that Walker is a better long-term prospect than Anderson. But they were both supposedly lottery talents.

[vy65]

Culture couldn’t keep Kawhi on the team. Nor is culture a substitute for actual talent.

Culture couldn’t keep one of the best players on the team happy or in line. Fans need to let this narrative go.

[Coach X]

Culture couldn’t keep Kawhi on the team. Nor is culture a substitute for actual talent.

Culture couldn’t keep one of the best players on the team happy or in line. Fans need to let this narrative go.
You are missing the point. Finally, culture helped the franchise to obtain the best possible value. Culture made an uncommitted player leave the team. In the meantime culture made the team win 47 games and be in the playoffs despite losing his best player for the entire season, battling many other injuries and problem by the way. Culture gave us the best of Duncan, Manu, Parker and the beautiful game. Culture brought 5 rings and transformed the Spurs in the best organisation in sport for 20 years (so far). Culture is bringing prospects, good professionals and the best coaches.

Thanks to the culture we are not today talking about wasting our season watching our team trying to lose as much possible in order to, in the best case scenario, create a team of the same level than current one in 4 years. You people not giving value to the Culture deserve 10 years rooting for the Kicks, the Kings or any other of those franchises sucking season after season.

[Coach X]

Pop seems determined to force Murray into the PG slot and push the natural PG, White, into the SG slot.
Often I read posters according to this. IMHO people are confusing the playmaking ability with the ability to run a team from the PG position. Sometimes these two skills concur on the same player but are not necessarily attached one to the other. I'll give what I consider a good example: Ginobili was a better playmaker than Parker, but rightly Parker was the point guard.

The playmaking ability is common to offensive juggernauts regardless of their position. For instance, Tim Duncan was our better playmaker for many years. Usually, this player can score and assist, has the skill of making plays for the team. That's what we all agree White can do better than Murray. And probably Walker will do better than both.

A point guard must control the pace of the game, the time-score, call the plays with the coach trying to implement the game plan, recognise opp defenses every possession (zone, match-ups, press...), involve all his players in the game, lead the defensive strategy and call the defensive plays, have an eye in the opp point guard and coach, etc, etc. Tony has done that very well for us despite not being a great playmaker in the beginning, but that's why Popovich trusted him as his court general. I believe Murray has been chosen to be the point guard because coaches think he has the personality and potential to do his duty and meet the expectations for this key position.

I'd say the club hopes Murray can be a solid but dynamic defensive starting point guard with Walker having a leading offensive role in the SG whilst being very able of playing good defense. Finally White would be the 3rd guard, leading offensively the second unit.

Looking to this season, I think this trio individual performance is directly related to their level of maturity, which is inversely proportionate to their potential. In 2018/2019 White will give a better output than Murray and we'll hardly watch Walker play. In the future, Walker will be the best player of them, Murray could be a very good starter and White just a good rotation player.

[sasaint]

Often I read posters according to this. IMHO people are confusing the playmaking ability with the ability to run a team from the PG position. Sometimes these two skills concur on the same player but are not necessarily attached one to the other. I'll give what I consider a good example: Ginobili was a better playmaker than Parker, but rightly Parker was the point guard.

The playmaking ability is common to offensive juggernauts regardless of their position. For instance, Tim Duncan was our better playmaker for many years. Usually, this player can score and assist, has the skill of making plays for the team. That's what we all agree White can do better than Murray. And probably Walker will do better than both.

A point guard must control the pace of the game, the time-score, call the plays with the coach trying to implement the game plan, recognise opp defenses every possession (zone, match-ups, press...), involve all his players in the game, lead the defensive strategy and call the defensive plays, have an eye in the opp point guard and coach, etc, etc. Tony has done that very well for us despite not being a great playmaker in the beginning, but that's why Popovich trusted him as his court general. I believe Murray has been chosen to be the point guard because coaches think he has the personality and potential to do his duty and meet the expectations for this key position.

I'd say the club hopes Murray can be a solid but dynamic defensive starting point guard with Walker having a leading offensive role in the SG whilst being very able of playing good defense. Finally White would be the 3rd guard, leading offensively the second unit.

Looking to this season, I think this trio individual performance is directly related to their level of maturity, which is inversely proportionate to their potential. In 2018/2019 White will give a better output than Murray and we'll hardly watch Walker play. In the future, Walker will be the best player of them, Murray could be a very good starter and White just a good rotation player.

Your Parker/Ginobili example is very apt. But I think that combo was pretty unique, tbh. I see your perspective on the three, and as a projection it makes sense. We will just have to see how it all pans out. I am not completely on board with why Pop would go with, first, TP, and now, with Murray as his PG. For one thing, I think it is widely recognized that the Spurs' defense was directed by Tim. Beyond that, while you have broken down the PGs responsibilities into a few more analytical categories, they still come down to ball handling, passing ability and court vision. Murray hasn't shown the ability to recognize defenses and involve his teammates. He dribbles into traps and doesn't seem to see the floor very well at this point. I don't see him making many assists, involving his teammates. I am not really thinking much about Walker because he has shown very little other than raw athleticism. Even the ST posters who tout him, usually add that he needs to develop his BBIQ (which seems to be less a developable skill than an innate ability). In short, the jury isn't just "out" on Walker, it has barely been empaneled. I will root for all three to succeed at a very high level as long as they are Spurs, however, I don't expect to see much of White or Walker this season - especially if Manu returns.

[venitian navigator]

White has to play...at least to see if his game can effectively translate to the nba level. Imho he training effort required to Murray to shoot the ball better means he'll be used also like an outside shooter, aka at the shooting guard position.
Imho ther's no doubt that White has more playmaking instincts than all the guards we have on the team expected to play point guard...more than Mills, Murray, Forbes for sure. Gino has always been paired with Mills, but now he is too old to play every game a good amount of minutes. He will be spared for the play offs.
Imho the only back court way to go (after maybe a start with Murray-Mills just for continuity with last year) is White Murray (or Murray-White, as you prefer).
Looks that their actual skills compliment each other well and if Murray has effectively developed his shooting, both can be considered an offensive manace from everywhere...and (differentely from any back court that include Mills) a more than adequate defensive back court.

[Coach X]

I believe White will play this year because of his on-court compatibility with both Murray and Mills in the backcourt. Other guards like Demar, Manu, Marco, will have to play minutes at the 3 due to the lack of forwards in the roster. Remember playing time distribution along the RS is different than pt during a game. There will be injuries, rest, ups&downs, etc. I'm pretty sure White will have enough opportunities to prove to others his progression. I hope this will lead to Forbes DNP CD.



Your Parker/Ginobili example is very apt. But I think that combo was pretty unique, tbh. I see your perspective on the three, and as a projection it makes sense. We will just have to see how it all pans out. I am not completely on board with why Pop would go with, first, TP, and now, with Murray as his PG. For one thing, I think it is widely recognized that the Spurs' defense was directed by Tim. Beyond that, while you have broken down the PGs responsibilities into a few more analytical categories, they still come down to ball handling, passing ability and court vision. Murray hasn't shown the ability to recognize defenses and involve his teammates. He dribbles into traps and doesn't seem to see the floor very well at this point. I don't see him making many assists, involving his teammates.
I mentioned some of the main features of the point guard position, but it doesn't mean a player needs to excel in all of the categories to be considered a PG. Have a look at the most iconic points of all time and you will find things they weren't able to do. Parker, for instance, never was good on the fastbreak further than pushing till the end and finishing/kicking out. Same with his court vision, we always had better half court passers than him (to me, Murray is better than him in these two categories). I think that, more than a mix of technical skills, what makes a player a point guard are: a particular type of personality, strong team values, and tactical/strategical intelligence. However, the beauty of a team sport like basketball is that all these prototypic schemes are in fact flexible as players interact and complement each other in order to demonstrate the principle 1+1>2.

[sasaint]

I believe White will play this year because of his on-court compatibility with both Murray and Mills in the backcourt. Other guards like Demar, Manu, Marco, will have to play minutes at the 3 due to the lack of forwards in the roster. Remember playing time distribution along the RS is different than pt during a game. There will be injuries, rest, ups&downs, etc. I'm pretty sure White will have enough opportunities to prove to others his progression. I hope this will lead to Forbes DNP CD.



I mentioned some of the main features of the point guard position, but it doesn't mean a player needs to excel in all of the categories to be considered a PG. Have a look at the most iconic points of all time and you will find things they weren't able to do. Parker, for instance, never was good on the fastbreak further than pushing till the end and finishing/kicking out. Same with his court vision, we always had better half court passers than him (to me, Murray is better than him in these two categories). I think that, more than a mix of technical skills, what makes a player a point guard are: a particular type of personality, strong team values, and tactical/strategical intelligence. However, the beauty of a team sport like basketball is that all these prototypic schemes are in fact flexible as players interact and complement each other in order to demonstrate the principle 1+1>2.

I agree with almost everything you said. Even so, the fact that a player doesn't need to excel at every traditional PG skill doesn't negate the idea that you should displace a player who possesses more of those skills with one who has fewer. Complementary skills and flexibility notwithstanding, I still want to see the guy who has better handles actually handling the ball and the guy who has court vision and passing ability actually have the ball in his hands more of the time, placing him in the optimal position to maximize those skills for the overall good of the team.

[Coach X]

As I said in the other post, IMHO personality and tactical abilities weight more than technical skills when you want to consider what position suits better for a player. To me, Murray seems more of a leader and tougher than White. Additionally, I consider Murray a superior athlete, a better defender, better rebounder so can have more impact on the game pace. Murray is closer to the ideal point guard than White, under my point of view. White is only a better playmaker currently.

[Since89]

Leonard left the team because of this type of shit.

[TimmyBuckets]

Leonard left the team because of this type of shit.

He didn't leave shit. He was deported to Canada.

[ace3g]

Bmj2xkGAZGT

[cd021]

You may call them "sentimental reasons", but I believe they are more than merely sentimental. "Cultural reasons", though much mocked and maligned by some posters on ST, seems like a better designation to me - definitely more value-laden than mere sentimentality. But whatever you wish to call the reasons, Pop is not trading Patty this year, for sure. You even pin-point the cultural abyss beyond Mills when you note that LMA would become our senior statesman after Manu and Patty. He is a beta who wanted a trade a season ago - definitely NOT any conduit of Spurs' winning culture.

And you may call White a combo-guard, but he is more like a modern PG. The bottom line, however, is that of the guards on our current roster, he is by far the best PG prospect. Murray doesn't have anything like White's passing ability, court vision or handles. He has to develop skills that White already has. Plus, he is unlikely to ever develop White's innate ability to see the floor. But by every indication White is the odd man out here.

I agree that Walker is a better long-term prospect than Anderson. But they were both supposedly lottery talents.

-I never said Mills would be moved this season, if anything, Gasol is a far more likely candidate to be moved if the 3 situation is an issue and the Spurs need to get some help there (i.e DeMarre Carol).

- Aldridge asked for a trade because he was unhappy with his role, that isn't great, however, he went directly to Pop told him what he wanted. After Pop told him that it was in both PATFO's and his best interest to work it out, he and Pop worked things out and Aldrige proceeded to have the best season of his career and drag an untalented team to the 7th seed.

-White will be incorporated into the team, though it is weird that it is likely going to take him to year 3 until he actually becomes a rotation player, given how polished his game is already. White is certainly closer to a PG than Murray but Murray has higher upside, especially if his offseason work on his jumper translates. I still think Murray has is a better passer than he is given credit for but his handles could stand to be tighter. I suspect Murray and Walker is the backup of the future following the DeRozen era with White being the 3rd guard, playing with either and sometimes both.

-There is something to be said about lottery talent varying year to year, that 2014 draft wasn't nearly as good as it was hyped to be with only 1 all-star (Embidd), a few starters (Wiggins, Gordon, Radle, Saric, LaVine, Nurkic, Capella, and Jokic) Anderson would easily be in the top 10 in a redraft but overall that draft was a disappointing one. The '18 draft may very well be a more talented draft; thus, in theory, PATFO viewing Walker as a lottery talent -and their history of selecting players that overperform their draft spots, there is a decent chance that Walker out to be at least a starting a caliber guard.

[cd021]

You are missing the point. Finally, culture helped the franchise to obtain the best possible value. Culture made an uncommitted player leave the team. In the meantime culture made the team win 47 games and be in the playoffs despite losing his best player for the entire season, battling many other injuries and problem by the way. Culture gave us the best of Duncan, Manu, Parker and the beautiful game. Culture brought 5 rings and transformed the Spurs in the best organisation in sport for 20 years (so far). Culture is bringing prospects, good professionals and the best coaches.

Thanks to the culture we are not today talking about wasting our season watching our team trying to lose as much possible in order to, in the best case scenario, create a team of the same level than current one in 4 years. You people not giving value to the Culture deserve 10 years rooting for the Kicks, the Kings or any other of those franchises sucking season after season.

Culture is fine until you overvalue it. Turning away players with higher upsides and talent for lesser players that fit the system and culture is fine when you have top-tier players to carry them and create offense for them but when those players leave or retire, then it should force a reset or, at least, a reconsideration of those priorities.

[benfti]

Culture is fine until you overvalue it. Turning away players with higher upsides and talent for lesser players that fit the system and culture is fine when you have top-tier players to carry them and create offense for them but when those players leave or retire, then it should force a reset or, at least, a reconsideration of those priorities.
Or, you get top end talent that fits the culture.

it absolutely staggering how many Spurs “fans” have NFI what makes the team so successful.

[Coach X]

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, then I have others." :spin

If you are not true to your values you have no identity. Why do we love the San Antonio Spurs? What makes us follow the team? Championships only? To me, there is something else.

Only young/not experienced people doesn't value the culture. I don't blame them, live takes time to teach its lessons.

[spurraider21]

:lmao at the people saying this is a good deal

[BillMc]

Gotta pay the wombat insurance.

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1139570954877595648

[timtonymanu]

Could be worse. Look at what Teague got, what Georgie will likely get this year, Allen Crabbe....

Happy Patty is staying tbh.

Damn Mugen, times have changed :lol

[SAGirl]

Gotta pay the wombat insurance.
:wow

[timtonymanu]

12.5 mil for an above average 6th man (which is what Patty is) isn't terrible tbh. You already knowwhat he means to the team culture.

Hopefully it means PATFO are closer to moving away from TP tbh.

“Culture” :lol

[SAGirl]

Damn Mugen, times have changed :lol
This thread is hilarious :rollin

[timtonymanu]

The contract was bearable when Nephew was still around, always was a headscratcher. Now it’s just a full on disaster

[RC_Drunkford]

this contract and the Gasol contract changed the franchise forever and a lot of Spurs fans knew it then and there

[TDomination]

Man don’t scare me like that by bumping this thread. All I see is spurs agreed and patty mills and my heart sank. then I realized it’s an old thread lol

[cd021]

Biggest question in retrospect is why did they sign Mills to a long term deal after drafting White, then a year later they let Parker walk in order to give White more minutes.

Two years in, he is already redundant.

[NASpurs]

Damn Mugen, times have changed :lol


“Culture” :lol

:lmao Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) with the banworthy comments. My dude was drinking the Kool-Aid back in ‘17.

Even using the organization's keywords and phrases non-sarcastically.

[r0drig0lac]

The contract was bearable when Nephew was still around, always was a headscratcher. Now it’s just a full on disaster

because Kawhi masked the shortcomings of the team? if yes, this contract was not bearable, it was just stupidity

[timtonymanu]

because Kawhi masked the shortcomings of the team? if yes, this contract was not bearable, it was just stupidity

I forgot this was the same week as the Gasol extension and signing an injured Rudy Gay. How do you do a meh offseason like this after basically dominating the Warriors when Kawhi was healthy.

[BlackAndWhite]

Thing was Gasol actually played at a pretty acceptable level in 2017. He shot the ball very well and was effective in the Rockets series. He turned into trash right after tho

[cjw]

Thing was Gasol actually played at a pretty acceptable level in 2017. He shot the ball very well and was effective in the Rockets series. He turned into trash right after tho

Because that never happens to guys in their upper 30s

[timtonymanu]

Ahh the Gasol is useful against Houston justification for his contract :lol.

Been a while since I’ve heard that one

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

still hurts tbh

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Wtf

:duck

[slick'81]

Gotta love pop n rc

[K...]

Dude you have to bump the thread at the first midnight of free agency period

[TimDunkem]

I forgot this was the same week as the Gasol extension and signing an injured Rudy Gay. How do you do a meh offseason like this after basically dominating the Warriors when Kawhi was healthy.

Hubris and misplaced priorities. They actually thought they could stand pat in a league where no one else does, and get by handing out outrageous loyalty deals. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Man don’t scare me like that by bumping this thread. All I see is spurs agreed and patty mills and my heart sank. then I realized it’s an old thread lol

You realize he's retiring a Spur, right?

[TimDunkem]

“Culture” :lol

Hey! At least the Spurs don't have to worry about running out of coffee! GAME DAY BALA GAME DAY

[TDomination]

You realize he's retiring a Spur, right?
-_-

[phxspurfan]

wow that bump made my blood pressure go up for a sec

[spurraider21]

spurs are done
appropriate reaction to the contract imo

[MaNu4Tres]

Biggest question in retrospect is why did they sign Mills to a long term deal after drafting White, then a year later they let Parker walk in order to give White more minutes.

Two years in, he is already redundant.

He was redundant in the 1st yr of his deal.

[BackHome]

That’s Pop and his Socialist ideas

[Nivek_ogre]

That’s Pop and his Socialist ideas

Yes. That's exactly why. You fucking moron

[Jordan Jackson]

They gotta play him because they paid him. Nice guy? sure. But he's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

Beside's pretty solid drafting, this front office has been taking L's.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Ugh, 4 more years of dead weight that wastes Kawhi's prime.

If we could see it why couldn't pop and rc?

[phxspurfan]

If we could see it why couldn't pop and rc?

I guess staging the laziest season in sports history was what it took for him to Klaw himself away from this albatross

[sasaint]

If we could see it why couldn't pop and rc?

The more pertinent question now is will they double down on their blunder and keep him? Unfortunately I agree about 99.9% with my friend, TimDunkem. Dude will retire a Spur - unless Pop goes before 50Mills' contract is up.

[sasaint]

If we could see it why couldn't pop and rc?

After sifting through all the muck of the last 4 years, this is the biggest question of all, imho. And the principal evidence that Pop needs to ride off into the sunset.

[Dennis the Menace]

If we could see it why couldn't pop and rc?

Because we’re sober and not alcoholics?

[Dverde]

I still don’t think he gets the 12:01 deal if Parker doesn’t hurt himself. I think Spurs are still interested, but allows him to see the free agency market.

[LCM]

The only hope of Patty and his contract getting off this team is a trade with the 76ers. They only have 6 players under contract for next season so far. Not only is Butler and Harris UFA, but Reddick and McConnell, their top shooting G and backup PG are as well. 76ers have a ton of picks this year and a lot of draft and stash overseas to try and fill the roster out as cheaply as they can considering this summer's free agency and Simmons RFA next summer. But if they can't resign Reddick and McConnell, Patty makes too much sense for them. With Brown and Udoka's history with Patty, the amount of picks they could trade, when teams are under the cap the salaries don't have to match so the Spurs could trade Mills without taking additional salary, it all depends on will Philly bring back Reddick and McConnell or not. Plus after this year Philly could flip him to a team for cap relief just like the Spurs could in summer of 2020.

[cjw]

The only hope of Patty and his contract getting off this team is a trade with the 76ers. They only have 6 players under contract for next season so far. Not only is Butler and Harris UFA, but Reddick and McConnell, their top shooting G and backup PG are as well. 76ers have a ton of picks this year and a lot of draft and stash overseas to try and fill the roster out as cheaply as they can considering this summer's free agency and Simmons RFA next summer. But if they can't resign Reddick and McConnell, Patty makes too much sense for them. With Brown and Udoka's history with Patty, the amount of picks they could trade, when teams are under the cap the salaries don't have to match so the Spurs could trade Mills without taking additional salary, it all depends on will Philly bring back Reddick and McConnell or not. Plus after this year Philly could flip him to a team for cap relief just like the Spurs could in summer of 2020.

Sixers won’t have cap space to absorb Mills or the contracts to trade back for Mills (without a sign and trade)

[sasaint]

The only hope of Patty and his contract getting off this team is a trade with the 76ers. They only have 6 players under contract for next season so far. Not only is Butler and Harris UFA, but Reddick and McConnell, their top shooting G and backup PG are as well. 76ers have a ton of picks this year and a lot of draft and stash overseas to try and fill the roster out as cheaply as they can considering this summer's free agency and Simmons RFA next summer. But if they can't resign Reddick and McConnell, Patty makes too much sense for them. With Brown and Udoka's history with Patty, the amount of picks they could trade, when teams are under the cap the salaries don't have to match so the Spurs could trade Mills without taking additional salary, it all depends on will Philly bring back Reddick and McConnell or not. Plus after this year Philly could flip him to a team for cap relief just like the Spurs could in summer of 2020.

The only remote hope - competitive team, comfy place for Patty to land amid familiar faces. The only other factor that mitigates in favor of Pop's moving Patty is his apparently growing confidence in and attachment to Bryn.

[talkspurs]

I think Phily would take Beli back before Mills. He is cheaper has only 1 year left and he was there last year. I think I remember they wanted him back but spurs beat them. If we could get a 2nd for him that would be great.

[Rusty]

That was the moment Kawhi decided he wants to leave the Spurs

[Dennis the Menace]

We have 2 more years of Mills’ contract. Holeeeee shit. He’s not even playable. A net negative.

[RC_Drunkford]

how the fuck do you give this wombat a 4-year contract? 3rd highest paid player, yet he's not even among the 8 best on the roster.

This has to be the offseason to trade him. We need the cap space to add pieces so the team can improve and since Bryn only gets paid 2.5 million, Patty is the one who got to go. If PATFO really wants the team to stay competitive they have to move him

[TimDunkem]

I still don’t think he gets the 12:01 deal if Parker doesn’t hurt himself. I think Spurs are still interested, but allows him to see the free agency market.

No. He would have. It's clear PATFO values this turd as much as anyone else.

[tbdog]

The way Mills has played this FIBA tournament, gives me hope that he has returned to 2014 form, when he was the best backup PG in the league.

[GusT15]

The way Mills has played this FIBA tournament, gives me hope that he has returned to 2014 form, when he was the best backup PG in the league.

He may start the season in great shape,he may even have the best season of his career (given he stays healthy) but he still will not be a Point Guard.
He wasn't the best backup PG in the league in 2014,Manu was the playmaker and Bobo was the Point Forward.

Patty is not an NBA PG,hell,he isn't a FIBA PG half of the time as well (Delly brings the ball down court,protecting the ball with his ass,80s style,and initiates the offense).
Patty is an elite role player,3pt sniper,small sized SG.

If we keep trying to force him to be a PG,cause TP and Manu are retired,we ain't getting nowhere.
Under the right circumstances and within the right system he can destroy opposing team benches with his game.
Under whatever we're playing the last couple of years he is a liability on defense and he is too easily guarded to initiate the offense,create or execute from 3.

[tbdog]

I agree that he is not a 'point' guard, but merely he plays the position at the 1. There is a likelihood chance that by having Parker and Manu performance degrading since 2016, also resulted in Mills performance decreasing. And he was forced to play more 'Point' duties due to this, including the last 2 seasons. By having White and Murray playing the full 'point' duties, and also DD ability to run play making duties, I can see Mills playing is natural game.

[Ozballer]

He may start the season in great shape,he may even have the best season of his career (given he stays healthy) but he still will not be a Point Guard.
He wasn't the best backup PG in the league in 2014,Manu was the playmaker and Bobo was the Point Forward.

Patty is not an NBA PG,hell,he isn't a FIBA PG half of the time as well (Delly brings the ball down court,protecting the ball with his ass,80s style,and initiates the offense).
Patty is an elite role player,3pt sniper,small sized SG.

If we keep trying to force him to be a PG,cause TP and Manu are retired,we ain't getting nowhere.
Under the right circumstances and within the right system he can destroy opposing team benches with his game.
Under whatever we're playing the last couple of years he is a liability on defense and he is too easily guarded to initiate the offense,create or execute from 3.

Patty admitted this in an interview on how he enjoys playing for Australia's system where he has more freedom. Putting good stats and playing clutch down the stretch right now.. on a side note, how about Aaron Baynes shooting the 3 ball? 5 of 6 against France :oops

[tbdog]

International 3 ball is not NBA 3 ball.

[talkspurs]

Wonder if him playing so well ups his trade value? I dont really see a spot for him on next years team other then locker room guy.

[MultiTroll]

Wonder if him playing so well ups his trade value? I dont really see a spot for him on next years team other then locker room guy.
Don't know.
But seriously doubt other teams GMs and coaches fall for Pattys FIBA vs NBA reality.

[DAF86]

Getting Murray back might help him, since he will no longer have to play as PG.

[TimDunkem]

Getting Murray back might help him, since he will no longer have to play as PG.

He still can't defend, run an offense, or shoot well in the playoffs when it matters.

[KobesAchilles]

Can’t play any worse than he did against Denver. I don’t think it’s possible for him to shoot worse than 13% from 3 like he did in the playoffs but hey who knows, maybe he surprises me. The dude is off the rotation next year so I’m ok with this being his swan song. He can (as usually does) play no defense, turn the ball over in 2 for 1 opportunities and miss the majority of his open 3s all he wants this upcoming season, it still won’t take away my excitement for DJ, DW, and LW4 this coming up year.

[MannyIsGod]

Patty isn't getting traded. Just fucking deal with it already. The contract is still up, its not that bad at all, and y'all still fucking can't get over it.

[DJR210]

At least Patty is gonna be in peak shape ready for the season

[dbreiden83080]

Patty Has been a model Spur, and played his ass off. I can’t believe people give him so much shit around here. You would think the team won 10 games all year last year.

[Phenomanul]

Patty Has been a model Spur, and played his ass off. I can’t believe people give him so much shit around here. You would think the team won 10 games all year last year.

Perhaps, because many millennial Spurs fans just love to complain - and now it seems there are more of them around. Furthermore Kawhi-stans deliberately want to paint the FO as incompetent so that their argument to try to justify Kawhi's departure is bolstered.

[Play Boban]

Perhaps, because many millennial Spurs fans just love to complain - and now it seems there are more of them around. Furthermore Kawhi-stans deliberately want to paint the FO as incompetent so that their argument to try to justify Kawhi's departure is bolstered.
Truth nuke

[monty4329]

Patty Has been a model Spur, and played his ass off. I can’t believe people give him so much shit around here. You would think the team won 10 games all year last year.

+1

[Play Boban]

Patty Cakes took a hot L today against Spain tbh. No medal for the Aussies per par....... :wakeup

[DAF86]

Patty Cakes took a hot L today against Spain tbh. No medal for the Aussies per par....... :wakeup

He chocked a FT that would have iced the game.

[MultiTroll]

Patty isn't getting traded. Just fucking deal with it already. The contract is still up, its not that bad at all, and y'all still fucking can't get over it.
You go boy. :cheer

You sir, have been assigned to bring marciano cherries to the next PPopper Party. Check the cherries in with El Nono please.

[GusT15]

Patty was disappointed

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1173860524276113409

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1173887995172335616

[RD2191]

Mills is fucking garbage. :lol Always has been, I'm pretty sure I could pin down a couple of playoff series we lost because of his bum ass. :lol @ any of you retarded ass faggots defending his scrub ass. Now, he's probably a great human off of the court but he's a terrible terrible basketball player. I remember when this fucking bum would average about 5-6 more shots than Kawhi. :lol What a fucking joke.

[YGWHI]

Patty was disappointed

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1173860524276113409

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1173887995172335616

Sorry but this was funny... :lol

[John B]

Patty was disappointed

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1173860524276113409

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1173887995172335616
Patty not over himself :lol

[TimDunkem]

He still can't play D, create offense or run an offense, or hit shots when it matters so?...

[TimDunkem]

Also, yeah, this contract is still bad. He's still a 3rd string PG making 8 figures.

[timtonymanu]

Mills is fucking garbage. :lol Always has been, I'm pretty sure I could pin down a couple of playoff series we lost because of his bum ass. :lol @ any of you retarded ass faggots defending his scrub ass. Now, he's probably a great human off of the court but he's a terrible terrible basketball player. I remember when this fucking bum would average about 5-6 more shots than Kawhi. :lol What a fucking joke.

Truth nuke. But these are the same bums that defended Gasol and his corpse last year because of his “locker room presence.” :lmao

[Boomersgold]

lol we have a dude who plays for Orlando who forgot how to shoot a basketball and is being paid 12 mill

[SpursDynasty85]

lol we have a dude who plays for Orlando who forgot how to shoot a basketball and is being paid 12 mill

If you mean Fultz, he makes about $10M, little less and he's on his rookie contract still. Some team has to pay for it and he is still relatively young. Was on track to be an all-star, sad story tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

would be genius to trade him after the world cup. Maybe some teams overvalue him after that performance

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

:pop: Mills will be with the Spurs until he's 40

[NASpurs]

would be genius to trade him after the world cup. Maybe some teams overvalue him after that performance

He's already on a team that overvalues him.

[Namundy]

If you mean Fultz, he makes about $10M, little less and he's on his rookie contract still. Some team has to pay for it and he is still relatively young. Was on track to be an all-star, sad story tbh.

On track to be an all-star? :lol

[Dennis the Menace]

Patty “there’s no pressure to perform” Mills

[SpursDynasty85]

On track to be an all-star? :lol

He was the #1 pick for a reason. literally was a life and career altering injury to his shoulder.

[MultiTroll]

Pop is the greatest. Remember the time he signed Patty to a new contract
https://i.imgur.com/PrAYlTW.jpg
"Pop's the GOAT and he knows more then anyone regarding signing Patty."

[RC_Drunkford]

He's already on a team that overvalues him.

you're right :depressed

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It Patty can go back to being the 12-15 minute sparkplug off the bench this season, I think folks will actually appreciate Patty more, and I think Patty's positive impact will be greater. My guess is that Pop is going to be looking to develop the young talent this season especially early on. He has to if the Spurs are going to continue to be relevant.

[Dex]

Every time this gets bumped to the top, my heart skips a beat.

[TimDunkem]

It Patty can go back to being the 12-15 minute sparkplug off the bench this season, I think folks will actually appreciate Patty more, and I think Patty's positive impact will be greater. My guess is that Pop is going to be looking to develop the young talent this season especially early on. He has to if the Spurs are going to continue to be relevant.

If our third string pg is getting 15 mpg next year then we're in big trouble.

[Boomersgold]

If our third string pg is getting 15 mpg next year then we're in big trouble.

I don't know if DJ will play that many minutes. Depends on how quickly he reintegrates himself into the Spurs system. Mills should get 15-20 minutes as the backup PG/SG though.

[Rocalcio]

Mills is fucking garbage. :lol Always has been, I'm pretty sure I could pin down a couple of playoff series we lost because of his bum ass. :lol @ any of you retarded ass faggots defending his scrub ass. Now, he's probably a great human off of the court but he's a terrible terrible basketball player. I remember when this fucking bum would average about 5-6 more shots than Kawhi. :lol What a fucking joke.

Damn, you really know nothing about basketball. And why do you always come here to criticise players or posters, this is basically all you do here. Your life must really stink if you feel the need to do that. I pity you actually...

[Genovaswitness]

Damn, you really know nothing about basketball. And why do you always come here to criticise players or posters, this is basically all you do here. Your life must really stink if you feel the need to do that. I pity you actually...

spurs 2020 champs. mills is worth the stunted development of our young guard corps. fucking retard

[TimDunkem]

spurs 2020 champs. mills is worth the stunted development of our young guard corps. fucking retard

Can't wait to see our young guards watch him flop around the court and brick playoff 3s from the bench as the backup PG/SG yet again.

[Rocalcio]

spurs 2020 champs. mills is worth the stunted development of our young guard corps. fucking retard

I'm not saying that, but pretending that Mills is a terrible basket player while he just had an amazing World Cup is just stupid. And please stop insulting guys... Is it a national sport in the USA ?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Ugh, 4 more years of dead weight that wastes Kawhi's prime.

Kawhi left before the dead weight could drag him down. There were even rumblings that the roster construction was one of the reasons kawhi left iirc tbh

[DPG21920]

We will see. Even in that role, it's just a regular season minutes guy type deal. No matter his role, he's too one dimensional and too bad on defense to be playable.

If the Spurs were top heavy enough for that not to matter than it would be literally perfect; but they are not. Mills getting playoff minutes in any role vs any team that matters is a proven detriment.

I really like Mills too. His new deal is on the surface a great value. He's been a true Spur and great teammate. But it's just wasted money IMO and Spurs are still without a PG (even though I want Murray to start now) that can get the team into sets.

Spurs have LMA who doesn't want to be here, no PG that has proven they can start and now MORE money tied up in the same backcourt that once TP went down showed they can't really do anything without Kawhi carrying a MASSIVE load.

Yeesh

[DPG21920]

It's about relative value too. I would much rather have Teague at 20M than Mills at 12. Yes, one is a good "value" but one is clearly more of an upgrade from a starting PG perspective.

There is no reason to run back Mills, even if you are planning to trot Murray out there. The backcourt was simply not good enough last year and now it's more expensive and no better.

True

[spurraider21]

spurs are done

[objective]

This is a disaster, this is the moment people will point to years from now as the turning point on what went wrong. When you massively overpay for loyalty to non-stars, when you reward performance from 3(!) years and 2 contracts ago, this is how contenders wither and die.

It'll take years, but everyone will come around. You'll see.

[DPG21920]

Spurs fans showing their wisdom and seeing the big picture here too.

[DAF86]

.

Preach objective, preach!

[DAF86]

It's so sad to watch "armchair GM's" get it a lot better than the people that is actually on charge.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs fans showing their wisdom and seeing the big picture here too.

Nope. First, it's not a massive overpay. Two, y'all can't bitch about some of the awful attitudes and then complain when they try to keep the culture going and just mock it. Third, they expected to have kawhi. Fourth, he's easily been worth his contract this year.

Bitching at everything and then acting prescient when it FINALLY falls apart is hilarious.

[DPG21920]

Nope. First, it's not a massive overpay. Two, y'all can't bitch about some of the awful attitudes and then complain when they try to keep the culture going and just mock it. Third, they expected to have kawhi. Fourth, he's easily been worth his contract this year.

Bitching at everything and then acting prescient when it FINALLY falls apart is hilarious.

Disagree 100%. Mills proved to be unplayable in the playoffs so that was 100% true. His “culture” obviously has meant nothing given the fact having him on the team has not prevented awful attitudes and losing. Lastly, it was a bad deal WITH Kawhi for the reasons I stated and even worse without him.

This is not some hindsight thing; it was literally called out immediately.

Sure, Mills is playing well for a player like Mills; just look what it gets you. Nothing.

[DAF86]

Nope. First, it's not a massive overpay. Two, y'all can't bitch about some of the awful attitudes and then complain when they try to keep the culture going and just mock it. Third, they expected to have kawhi. Fourth, he's easily been worth his contract this year.

Bitching at everything and then acting prescient when it FINALLY falls apart is hilarious.

Mills is playing as well as one can possibly can expect and yet it's not worth what he's getting. Just goes to show you that the signing was an awful one.

[MannyIsGod]

Disagree 100%. Mills proved to be unplayable in the playoffs so that was 100% true. His “culture” obviously has meant nothing given the fact having him on the team has not prevented awful attitudes and losing. Lastly, it was a bad deal WITH Kawhi for the reasons I stated and even worse without him.

This is not some hindsight thing; it was literally called out immediately.

Sure, Mills is playing well for a player like Mills; just look what it gets you. Nothing.

Of course it gets you nothing when the coach is literally sabotaging the team and you don't have a star player capable of carrying the team. Mills is not perfect. He's never going to be. The idea that this is a massive overpay if this were a competitive team is utterly false.

You're saying its this bad with Mills here ignoring that it could be way worse. Mills is a good teammate to have around and very important for the youth. MORESO when your best players are mentally weak AF.


People out EVERYTHING immediately on this site DPG. They're wrong way more than their right, so I'm not going to see here and be like "WOW YA'LL ARE SO SMART" when the collective broken clock is right.

[MannyIsGod]

Mills is playing as well as one can possibly can expect and yet it's not worth what he's getting. Just goes to show you that the signing was an awful one.

Disagree its not worth what they're getting. If the two "stars" on this team were worth a damn it would definitely be a worth it. If the coach hadn't completely lost his damn mind it would be worth it.

[JeffDuncan]

Nope. First, it's not a massive overpay. ...

It's a massive overpay. It's $4 million more than Fred VanVleet.

[FkLA]

Disagree its not worth what they're getting. If the two "stars" on this team were worth a damn it would definitely be a worth it. If the coach hadn't completely lost his damn mind it would be worth it.

It's the first year that its arguable that he deserves his salary though. We still have to see how long he keeps it up, and whether theres a big dropoff in the playoffs (if they make it). He shot 20% from the field and 10% from three last years playoffs ffs.

I kind of defended the deal when it was made but that was mainly because I thought these kind of deals were going to be the norm after all the crazy deals were given when the salary cap went up. I also expected him to play like he has this year for most of his deal. In hindsight, it was a dumbass deal that overvalued his value off the court.

[DPG21920]

Of course it gets you nothing when the coach is literally sabotaging the team and you don't have a star player capable of carrying the team. Mills is not perfect. He's never going to be. The idea that this is a massive overpay if this were a competitive team is utterly false.

You're saying its this bad with Mills here ignoring that it could be way worse. Mills is a good teammate to have around and very important for the youth. MORESO when your best players are mentally weak AF.


People out EVERYTHING immediately on this site DPG. They're wrong way more than their right, so I'm not going to see here and be like "WOW YA'LL ARE SO SMART" when the collective broken clock is right.

That’s fair - Im just a believer in my fellow Spurs fans tbh...I’m an optimist by nature

[slick'81]

12 points and two dimes is fine for $12.5 ,i mean compared to forbes(3 mil per)mills looks like an allstar

[RC_Drunkford]

Nope. First, it's not a massive overpay. Two, y'all can't bitch about some of the awful attitudes and then complain when they try to keep the culture going and just mock it. Third, they expected to have kawhi. Fourth, he's easily been worth his contract this year.

Bitching at everything and then acting prescient when it FINALLY falls apart is hilarious.

Mills is not overpaid now, but he was back then. You forget that the salary cap goes up every year, so 2 years ago his salary was way too high and his contract way to long. He also wasn't playing nearly as good as he is now

[RC_Drunkford]

It's a massive overpay. It's $4 million more than Fred VanVleet.

and Lou Williams

[slick'81]

and Lou Williams


But sweet lou took less to help the clips out.hopefully mills will do the same after next season

[DPG21920]

But sweet lou took less to help the clips out.hopefully mills will do the same after next season

:lmao Nice troll job

[Arcadian]

It's so sad to watch "armchair GM's" get it a lot better than the people that is actually on charge.
I would argue that internet forum posters should benefit more from "crowd wisdom" than NBA executives who limit their wisdom to the few people they respect and regularly come into contact with. In the internet age, everyone has access to all the information in the world - and we regularly expose ourselves to the full spectrum of opinions on any given topic. People who are in positions of power often exist in echo chambers where they only hear the same opinions all the time, and they tend to look down on "outsiders" with a dismissive attitude. "Why the fuck would I read an internet forum?" says the NBA executive in his arrogant, dismissive voice. But to ask that question misses the point. Wisdom lies not in any particular forum or post, but in the collective wisdom of all the combined voices around the world, with the many perspectives they bring to the table.

Perhaps they would benefit from reading outsider opinions from time to time.

[jjktkk]

Mills was overpaid. But its hard to put a figure on chemistry and locker room culture/leadership. Locker room chemistry is a stat that cannot be measured, and sounds lame when the team is looking as inept as the Spurs are right now.