REPORT: Spurs sign Rudy Gay

[Spurtacular]

He's 30. How is that finished?

Whatever, I expected to log in and see that everyone on ST hated the signing.

It's a very good signing. ST is like 72 percent player fan trolls. And 35 percent of that is like the same two or three people with eighty screen names. I don't know why the admin/mods don't do IP checks. Well, I do. They actually like the play theater bull shit.

[mudyez]

Fuck, that 17Mio is for both years and not per year?

Whoooooohooooo.

[raybies]

Yes as a few have suggested, he's gonna play the 4. That's what OKC wanted him for too but they got taken out of the running when they signed Patterson.

Murray/Green/Kawhi/Gay/Aldridge
Patty/Simmons/????/Anderson/Gasol
Forbes/White/Blossomgame/Bertans/????

If Manu comes back it'll be Simmons and Manu on the wings but if we have rookies it'll be Anderson and Bertans imo

With the roster setup, Hanga and Milutinov would round out the roster. So we letting Dedmon go and Lee most likely unless Milutinov stays over and Lee is there. He just wouldn't make sense unless we don't resign Pau

[raybies]

Yes as a few have suggested, he's gonna play the 4. That's what OKC wanted him for too but they got taken out of the running when they signed Patterson.

Murray/Green/Kawhi/Gay/Aldridge
Patty/Simmons/????/Anderson/Gasol
Forbes/White/Blossomgame/Bertans/????

If Manu comes back it'll be Simmons and Manu on the wings but if we have rookies it'll be Anderson and Bertans imo

With the roster setup, Hanga and Milutinov would round out the roster. So we letting Dedmon go and Lee most likely unless Milutinov stays over and Lee is there. He just wouldn't make sense unless we don't resign Pau

Edit: Totally forgot about Parker. Blossomgame as a two-way

[SAGirl]

Exactly. The Spurs needed a playmaker, or a penetration guard, or a true 3-point shooter, Gay isn't any of that.

Where will be Spurs ball-movement when the 3 main scorers -Kawhi, LMA, Gay- are iso-players/mid-j shooters??

Can't believe the way that Pop is building this team...It's very disappointing.



Sadly, it seems like he'll start...
Good question.. I don't know. Maybe LMA is really going to get traded. I am not going to like that team... :vomit:

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Meh doesn't move the needle, but at the price it's a good deal. Hopefully he can come back strong after that injury, but it's unlikely. He's seldom been an efficient player even when healthy.

Bigger news is that it seems they'll stay over the cap.

[SAGirl]

Probably finished as a notable player, but pretty low risk at that price(along with having limited options, at this point), tbh..not a fan of this signing, overall, though..

Sucks for Kyle, tbh..
Maybe he's traded tbh... one can hope.

Edit: but I do like Kyle better off the bench. IMO he doesn't do well with the ISO heavy SL. He's not the best floor spacer for others if that was his only role there. I didn't like it when he started for Danny due to that and it's really tough to play with LMA bc he doesn't move the ball. Not really disliking Kyle as a bench player tbh.

[SAGirl]

Pop needs to let him do his thing if it's going to work out. Sometimes I feel as if the Spurs fuck around too much with the way their free agent signings play.
Lamarcus would agree.

I just have a feeling of Pop wanting to fit square pegs into round holes ... I hope I am wrong. I am too jaded :lol He might fit great. It's usually guys you don't expect much from that surprise you.

[raybies]

Meh doesn't move the needle, but at the price it's a good deal. Hopefully he can come back strong after that injury, but it's unlikely. He's seldom been an efficient player even when healthy.

Bigger news is that it seems they'll stay over the cap.
yup thought the same. If we were under the cap we would have signed him with cap space. So if he already signed it's the MLE from being over the cap. So we bringing the crew back. Most likely losing Dedmon maybe Lee. Hanga and Milutinov may be in.

But yeah it's resigning guys. It might be awhile cause of Simmons. He's really holding out. It seems he's like option C or D for teams with cap like New York and Brooklyn and they both just signed players to offer sheets so it may be another couple days at least before we get more clarity.

[SAGirl]

yup thought the same. If we were under the cap we would have signed him with cap space. So if he already signed it's the MLE from being over the cap. So we bringing the crew back. Most likely losing Dedmon maybe Lee. Hanga and Milutinov may be in.

But yeah it's resigning guys. It might be awhile cause of Simmons. He's really holding out. It seems he's like option C or D for teams with cap like New York and Brooklyn and they both just signed players to offer sheets so it may be another couple days at least before we get more clarity.
It's a similar crew but not exactly the same. They may play differently which intrigues me but I still think Lamarcus won't want to play center the entire season.

[Gummi Clutch]

Kawhi plus Gay, =========== best wing in the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo


:bobo
CeePeeWee sucks :cry :cry

But...but..we got Gay now!!!

smfh

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

yup thought the same. If we were under the cap we would have signed him with cap space. So if he already signed it's the MLE from being over the cap. So we bringing the crew back. Most likely losing Dedmon maybe Lee. Hanga and Milutinov may be in.

But yeah it's resigning guys. It might be awhile cause of Simmons. He's really holding out. It seems he's like option C or D for teams with cap like New York and Brooklyn and they both just signed players to offer sheets so it may be another couple days at least before we get more clarity.

Hopefully now they give Pau his money back on a 1-year deal and be done with it.

Positioning themselves for LeBron in 2018 :lmao

[mudyez]

It's a similar crew but not exactly the same. They may play differently which intrigues me but I still think Lamarcus won't want to play center the entire season.

He better will. It's a contract year.

[SAGirl]

This will be the most difficult test for the Rudy Gay challenge, tbh..it's a curse that has haunted every team he has played for(Sacramento didn't change, though)

2005-2006 Grizzlies: 49-33
2006-2007 Grizzlies with Rudy Gay: 22-60

2009-2010 Grizzlies with Gay: 40-42
2010-2011 Grizzlies with Gay missing the 2nd half of the season and playoffs: 46-36, famously embarrassing the 1 seed Spurs

2012-2013 Grizzlies after trading Rudy Gay: WCFS
2012-2013 Raptors with Gay: 34-48

2012-2013 Raptors with Gay: missed playoffs
2013-2014 Raptors trade Gay: 48 wins, HCA in playoffs

2012-2013 Kings without Gay: 28 wins
2014 Kings: 28 wins

2017 Spurs: 61 wins
2018 Spurs: ???
Doesnt look good.
Hard to be excited what is it about him? IMO tends to be selfish at times... but really unsure how he managed that. ^

[YGWHI]

Kawhi plus Gay, =========== best wing in the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A look at the guy who supposedly would provide help to Kawhi and this team...

882334914473013252

[SAGirl]

Depends how you look at it..there's a double-standard on this forum where people gushed over Simmons for his decent series vs. GS, yet ignore that Anderson played well against them in the same series(personally, I think it was clearly a meaningless series once Kawhi went down, but still, obvious double standard)..
I mean it's the same. Simmons had his best career game in game 2 with 22 points... Kyle had his best game in game 4 with 20/7/2/4... It might be meaningless in the grand scheme of things but Pop always learns things about players in these situations. In similar understaffed situations there were guys who had no heart to compete and there were others who were so clearly outmatched that scoring 20 points in such a game, meaningless though it might be was very well out of their capabilities. You always learn things about guys in such situations... the double standard is real. But it's tiring to always point it out. And guys also tend to be really touchy and assume I am shitting on Simmons or someone else when one points it out.

[SAGirl]

He is not the player he used to be and Im sure the injury will set him back further. Lots of decent players have put up good numbers on bad teams. He is already a huge upgrade over Manu, though. At least we can say we improved in that area.
Watch Manu still come back though....
The team wants him back.

[Uriel]

883177255064686593
Same way Aldridge felt he was unfairly blamed for things that went wrong in the playoffs? :rolleyes

[Mal]

Do we even have high hopes for him ?

[SAGirl]

So do we think Murray is getting packaged up in a trade, and that's why he mysteriously didn't play tonight?
I wondered about that and also, I don't think LMA acquiesced to be a full time center. It's one thing to be that occasionally in some matchups than be That full time bc Pop didn't get anyone else on purpose.

[SAGirl]

Do we even have high hopes for him ?
I don't yet but it's bc the SL looks very weird to me with LMA at center full time and 2 other Iso, midrange shooters in it. I don't see this fit but bottom line I am glad he was signed. Low risk, potentially high reward and its a short deal so I don't dislike it. I didn't expect much of Lee and he played very well. It's better to not expect much and be pleasantly surprised so I am starting to think he could be surprised positively.

[hsxvvd]

Perhaps Pop thinks he is actually signing Richard Jefferson.

[benefactor]

dude is cancerous, tbh... guess it goes well with LMA... :lol Kawhi's prime years
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[r0drig0lac]

Da fuq? Now RC's having hallucinations too? Clouds and shit inside a roof? Is he on the bottle again?http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[jiggy_55]

I like it. Kinda low risk - decent contract with a big chance he'll opt out, and high reward - he's a classy guy, won't create problems, can score as the backup 3 and stretch 4 and bring some much needed offensive firepower. I wanted him all along if it wasn't gonna be Iguodala and I thought it was obvious Iggy wouldn't leave GSW. Intrigued to see a lineup of LMA, Gay, Kawhi, Green, Simmons (if he's resigned) that's full of offensive and defensive potential.

Well done by PATFO now need to move on bring back Simmons, Manu, Gasol, and fill out the rest of the roster with some young guys or vets. We are desperately in need of some big bodies and there are many bigs still available, most importantly they shouldn't be immobile stiffs... Younger guys like Willie Reed, Dedmon are still available and older vets like David Lee could be brought back. It does seem Pop may be ready to embrace the going small approcach, and we should be ready to see guys like Bertans and Kyle get some quality minutes at the 4 possibly.

[Boogie Munster]

He's a backup SF that is getting paid less than Patty f'ing Mills, ffs. It's not like we're giving a $100 million contract to someone like Nick Young to start.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[thiste]

Must be awesome to be Gay. I wish I was Gay right now.

[Truth4sale$]

Rudy Gay signing, and how it impacts Adam Hangs, not Jonathan Simmons

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1125239/

[Chinook]

Rudy Gay signing, and how it impacts Adam Hangs, not Jonathan Simmons

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1125239/

Lol, like it was going to take the full MLE to sign Hanga. The LLE would be overkill.

[raybies]

Lol, like it was going to take the full MLE to sign Hanga. The LLE would be overkill.
nobody in the whole association would give him the full MLE. His value is in Europe. Here he should get like 1.5 mill per imo

[210baller]

the whole league is in desperation mode , pal.

[Truth4sale$]

It's not so much about price of a contract with Hanga, it's about playing time. Guys want to play. It seems to be Hanga if Simmons signs elsewear. There will be too many guard/forwards with the Gay signing to have Hanga and Simmons. Unless Gay will be a small ball 4.

[rastaspur]

It's a similar crew but not exactly the same. They may play differently which intrigues me but I still think Lamarcus won't want to play center the entire season.

At this point, pop needs to tell him to play the center position or to get used to sitting on the bench. LMA's feelings don't matter anymore after he went snitching and complaining to the media through back channels

[duncan2k5]

I pray we dont start rudy at PF...id rather a big lineup of him and kawhi on the perimeter...and only play gay at pf for small ball lineups

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's not so much about price of a contract with Hanga, it's about playing time. Guys want to play. It seems to be Hanga if Simmons signs elsewear. There will be too many guard/forwards with the Gay signing to have Hanga and Simmons. Unless Gay will be a small ball 4.

Gay's going to be playing the 3/4. I'm sure the plan is for him to play substantial minutes at the 4 for us, and do some backup of Kawhi when it makes sense at the three.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I mean it's the same. Simmons had his best career game in game 2 with 22 points... Kyle had his best game in game 4 with 20/7/2/4... It might be meaningless in the grand scheme of things but Pop always learns things about players in these situations. In similar understaffed situations there were guys who had no heart to compete and there were others who were so clearly outmatched that scoring 20 points in such a game, meaningless though it might be was very well out of their capabilities. You always learn things about guys in such situations... the double standard is real. But it's tiring to always point it out. And guys also tend to be really touchy and assume I am shitting on Simmons or someone else when one points it out.

Simmons showed up in both playoff series for us.

Kyle Anderson had one good game when the series was over and the Warriors were coasting for the Finals. We get it, you love Kyle and think he'll be a ten time All-Star down the road. Cool story.

[sasaint]

I pray we dont start rudy at PF...id rather a big lineup of him and kawhi on the perimeter...and only play gay at pf for small ball lineups

Small ball is becoming the norm. At this rate people will only apply the term to 5-guard lineups in the near future. Seriously, every team has been signing guards and wings in free agency; look how many 5s are still available and going begging for the dregs of cap space teams have left.

[sasaint]

At this point, pop needs to tell him to play the center position or to get used to sitting on the bench. LMA's feelings don't matter anymore after he went snitching and complaining to the media through back channels

Foregone conclusion that LMA will be our starting 5 most games - if he returns. Softest 5 in the league. I actually got excited watching the SL game last night; with Dijon held out, I was dreaming of a LMA/Dijon trade.

[ernest787]

Simmons showed up in both playoff series for us.

Kyle Anderson had one good game when the series was over and the Warriors were coasting for the Finals. We get it, you love Kyle and think he'll be a ten time All-Star down the road. Cool story.

:bobo

[Chinook]

Simmons showed up in both playoff series for us.

Kyle Anderson had one good game when the series was over and the Warriors were coasting for the Finals. We get it, you love Kyle and think he'll be a ten time All-Star down the road. Cool story.

Kyle outplayed Simmons against GS. He "showed up" in all four games but only shot aggressively in Game Four. He went 6/9/5 in Game three in 20 minutes shooting 100 percent from the field. Simmons by and large had a bunch of inefficient volume-shooting games. While you can't fault Jonathon too much for that, it's just false to act like he performed at a significantly higher level than Anderson did.

[cd98]

Good to see some progressive people accepting Gay, but their are still people that are against Gay.

[SpursforSix]

Good to see some progressive people accepting Gay, but their are still people that are against Gay.

Spurs have had gayer.

http://i36.tinypic.com/9zyu5u.jpg

[cd98]

Kyle outplayed Simmons against GS. He "showed up" in all four games but only shot aggressively in Game Four. He went 6/9/5 in Game three in 20 minutes shooting 100 percent from the field. Simmons by and large had a bunch of inefficient volume-shooting games. While you can't fault Jonathon too much for that, it's just false to act like he performed at a significantly higher level than Anderson did.

Kind of tend to agree. Simmons would be hard for the Spurs to replace this summer as hey don't have anyone up the pike, but ultimately, I'm not a huge fan. I do think Anderson will be better at 28 than Simmons is right now. That is if he will stop being a Diaw clone as to aggressiveness.

[cd98]

Spurs have had gayer.

http://i36.tinypic.com/9zyu5u.jpg

Yes, but they hated RJ.

[Chinook]

Kind of tend to agree. Simmons would be hard for the Spurs to replace this summer as hey don't have anyone up the pike, but ultimately, I'm not a huge fan. I do think Anderson will be better at 28 than Simmons is right now. That is if he will stop being a Diaw clone as to aggressiveness.

The Spurs just signed Gay for the offense, and they could easily make up for the defense by signing Hanga for cheaper.

[Russ]

Wow. Spurs homer Skip Bayless doesn't like the move.

"Rudy Gay is not a San Antonio Spur. Lamarcus Aldridge is not a San Antonio Spur. Rudy Gay is a classic overrated underachiever."

Gotta disagree with you on this one, Skip, cause I love this move. Buy low, sell high.

[E20]

Spurs sign Rudy Gay.

Translation: We haven't done jackshit so let's just do something.

Over 11 seasons Gay only played in 1 Playoff series and lost.

Translation: WTF

Rudy Gay and LMA are players cut from the same cloth.

Translation: Fuck it.

[Mal]

Wow. Spurs homer Skip Bayless doesn't like the move.

"Rudy Gay is not a San Antonio Spur. Lamarcus Aldridge is not a San Antonio Spur. Rudy Gay is a classic overrated underachiever."

Gotta disagree with you on this one, Skip, cause I love this move. Buy low, sell high.

Only if he accepts lesser role. Aldridge accepted it at the beginning and now he crying about his stats.

[SpursforSix]

Yes, but they hated RJ.

Hmmm. Good point. But maybe the cut off line is somewhere between Gay and Jefferson.

[MannyIsGod]

I just want to know who the fuck were the Spurs going to sign - especially at this price - that possibly gives them a better chance than Rudy Gay? Shit might blow up and he might be a terrible player but I see NOTHING out there that comes close to this at the price other than George Hill. But George Hill locks up more money and is also injury prone.

Chris Paul at a discount? Sure. Chris Paul at the supermax? No fucking way.

There was nothing else out there right now!

[Chillen]

Chris Paul at a discount? Sure. Chris Paul at the supermax? No fucking way.


Derrick Rose is still a free agent, he fills a need for the Spurs. Sure the Spurs lost out on CP3 but I hope they make a play at signing Derrick.

[SpursforSix]

Derrick Rose is still a free agent, he fills a need for the Spurs. Sure the Spurs lost out on CP3 but I hope they make a play at signing Derrick.

I wouldn't mind Rose at all. Still has some solid minutes left in him. I realize it's reported that Spurs had interest in him but will Pop really overlook the character issues?

[Russ]

Rudy Gay and LMA are players cut from the same cloth.



You may be right.

On the other hand, I don't see LMA opting out of a $14 million deal to sign for $8.5 million because, apparently, he's sick of losing.

Gay at least seems to be willing to attempt to change. It will be interesting to watch.

[sasaint]

I wouldn't mind Rose at all. Still has some solid minutes left in him. I realize it's reported that Spurs had interest in him but will Pop really overlook the character issues?

No. Unless we move a guard along with LMA for a decent piece. We don't need to keep adding guards.

[wildbill2u]

Here's how I see the addition pro and con.

1. Not a great 3 pt shooter in a league that is evolving into perimeter players who can shoot the 3. Average?
2. 32 years old. The legs start to go and the jumper is the first sign followed by slow defense. Or is it the other way round? .
3. Achilles tendon injury--WTF. Our contract better have an 'out' if he can't physically perform. Adding 3 to 2 doesn't bode well.
4. Patfo always hopes that some of the veteran wisdom/ability is still there.
5. If we keep a lot of younger players, you have to have a veteran or two on court to steady some of our youngsters
6. Gotta give Pop the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. He likes to bring in vets in hopes they still can play. List is long with few outstanding winners.

Guess what? We'll just have to wait and see what develops. This isn't a slam dunk.

[sasaint]

Spurs sign Rudy Gay.

Translation: We haven't done jackshit so let's just do something.

Over 11 seasons Gay only played in 1 Playoff series and lost.

Translation: WTF

Rudy Gay and LMA are players cut from the same cloth.

Translation: Fuck it.

I fear that you are right. Two very non-Spurs-type signings could signal that PATFO has been seduced by the Dark Side.

[tholdren]

I just want to know who the fuck were the Spurs going to sign - especially at this price - that possibly gives them a better chance than Rudy Gay? Shit might blow up and he might be a terrible player but I see NOTHING out there that comes close to this at the price other than George Hill. But George Hill locks up more money and is also injury prone.

Chris Paul at a discount? Sure. Chris Paul at the supermax? No fucking way.

There was nothing else out there right now!

The only person worth a move of 2 plus players this off season was Gordon. But, like this "deep draft" this free agency was over hyped.... some will never learn.

[tonight...you]

Here's how I see the addition pro and con.

1. Not a great 3 pt shooter in a league that is evolving into perimeter players who can shoot the 3. Average?
2. 32 years old. The legs start to go and the jumper is the first sign followed by slow defense. Or is it the other way round? .
3. Achilles tendon injury--WTF. Our contract better have an 'out' if he can't physically perform. Adding 3 to 2 doesn't bode well.
4. Patfo always hopes that some of the veteran wisdom/ability is still there.
5. If we keep a lot of younger players, you have to have a veteran or two on court to steady some of our youngsters
6. Gotta give Pop the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. He likes to bring in vets in hopes they still can play. List is long with few outstanding winners.

Guess what? We'll just have to wait and see what develops. This isn't a slam dunk.
Isn't he 30?

[Joseph Kony]

Here's how I see the addition pro and con.

1. Not a great 3 pt shooter in a league that is evolving into perimeter players who can shoot the 3. Average?
2. 32 years old. The legs start to go and the jumper is the first sign followed by slow defense. Or is it the other way round? .
3. Achilles tendon injury--WTF. Our contract better have an 'out' if he can't physically perform. Adding 3 to 2 doesn't bode well.
4. Patfo always hopes that some of the veteran wisdom/ability is still there.
5. If we keep a lot of younger players, you have to have a veteran or two on court to steady some of our youngsters
6. Gotta give Pop the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. He likes to bring in vets in hopes they still can play. List is long with few outstanding winners.

Guess what? We'll just have to wait and see what develops. This isn't a slam dunk.

He's 30, although he will be turning 31 before the season starts

[tholdren]

Here's how I see the addition pro and con.

1. Not a great 3 pt shooter in a league that is evolving into perimeter players who can shoot the 3. Average?
2. 32 years old. The legs start to go and the jumper is the first sign followed by slow defense. Or is it the other way round? .
3. Achilles tendon injury--WTF. Our contract better have an 'out' if he can't physically perform. Adding 3 to 2 doesn't bode well.
4. Patfo always hopes that some of the veteran wisdom/ability is still there.
5. If we keep a lot of younger players, you have to have a veteran or two on court to steady some of our youngsters
6. Gotta give Pop the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. He likes to bring in vets in hopes they still can play. List is long with few outstanding winners.

Guess what? We'll just have to wait and see what develops. This isn't a slam dunk.

The legs start to go... wtf.

[Russ]

Isn't he 30?

Being signed by the Spurs automatically adds two years to your age (per NBA rules).

[rogcl1]

Here's how I see the addition pro and con.

1. Not a great 3 pt shooter in a league that is evolving into perimeter players who can shoot the 3. Average?
2. 32 years old. The legs start to go and the jumper is the first sign followed by slow defense. Or is it the other way round? .
3. Achilles tendon injury--WTF. Our contract better have an 'out' if he can't physically perform. Adding 3 to 2 doesn't bode well.
4. Patfo always hopes that some of the veteran wisdom/ability is still there.
5. If we keep a lot of younger players, you have to have a veteran or two on court to steady some of our youngsters
6. Gotta give Pop the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. He likes to bring in vets in hopes they still can play. List is long with few outstanding winners.

Guess what? We'll just have to wait and see what develops. This isn't a slam dunk.

Not discounting what you said. I'm sure the Spurs had a similar list. Small point, but he is currently 30 years old. he turns 31 in August.

[Chinook]

Here's how I see the addition pro and con.

1. Not a great 3 pt shooter in a league that is evolving into perimeter players who can shoot the 3. Average?
2. 32 years old. The legs start to go and the jumper is the first sign followed by slow defense. Or is it the other way round? .
3. Achilles tendon injury--WTF. Our contract better have an 'out' if he can't physically perform. Adding 3 to 2 doesn't bode well.
4. Patfo always hopes that some of the veteran wisdom/ability is still there.
5. If we keep a lot of younger players, you have to have a veteran or two on court to steady some of our youngsters
6. Gotta give Pop the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. He likes to bring in vets in hopes they still can play. List is long with few outstanding winners.

Guess what? We'll just have to wait and see what develops. This isn't a slam dunk.

Isn't he 85?

[tonight...you]

Being signed by the Spurs automatically adds two years to your age (per NBA rules).
Aw snap! My biz-ad.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Isn't he 30?

Yep


Being signed by the Spurs automatically adds two years to your age (per NBA rules).

One could argue that playing for the Spurs actually extends your career so one is younger when coming onboard.

[E20]

Velvet?

Cotton, shrinks up underneath any type of heat.

[wildbill2u]

Will be 31 by time season starts. I added an extra year for the Achilles tendon injury. :downspin:

[south side spur]

The only person worth a move of 2 plus players this off season was Gordon. But, like this "deep draft" this free agency was over hyped.... some will never learn.

Well there are people who subscribe to shop therapy. That's how they "build up" their self esteem/concept so of course they want the new toy.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Cotton, shrinks up underneath any type of heat.

Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD3vl11eVq4

[Spur|n|Austin]

duplicate

[spurs10]

He is 30 and seems to have something to prove. A good signing.

[mookie2001]

I found a way we could get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

[Chillen]

I wouldn't mind Rose at all. Still has some solid minutes left in him. I realize it's reported that Spurs had interest in him but will Pop really overlook the character issues?

It's RC's job to make the team better, Rose is a former regular season MVP, if they sign him it's up to Pop to make it all work. Pop isn't Droses daddy.


No. Unless we move a guard along with LMA for a decent piece. We don't need to keep adding guards.

Rose is a former regular season MVP, he has experience and we need all of that at the moment. Parker is out till January.

[Nathan89]

Anyone that wants Gay to be the off the bench creator for the team is asking for the inefficient Gay of his entire career. You don't want Gay to iso or run pnr. Gay's plus side for the Spurs is at the pf position. Adding a player that can rebound and push the ball. A player that can run in transition. A player that can guard multiple players. A player that can attack vs closeouts or generally just attack in straight line drives. On the bench you'll get the iso dancer that you've seen his entire career. He has never been good at creating for others in that role.

[couchman]

Good low risk/high reward signing.
At this price and only 2 years it's a low risk that won't clog up the roster if he doesn't work out.

BUT, if Gay can return to form he is an accomplished scorer and has the physical tools to be a swing defender capable of switching positions 2-4, which is at a premium in the modern NBA.
You're seeing the FO emphasize length in recent offseasons, with Murray, White and Gay being long for their positions.

[SpursforSix]

No. Unless we move a guard along with LMA for a decent piece. We don't need to keep adding guards.

Which of the following teams would you want?

Team 1 (all guards)
Stephan Curry
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving

Team 2 (traditional team)
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Pat Connaughton
PF: Lou Amundson
SF: Damjan Rudez
C: John Henson

Case closed.

[Chinook]

Couldn't even put Rose on your "all guards" team

[SpursforSix]

It's RC's job to make the team better, Rose is a former regular season MVP, if they sign him it's up to Pop to make it all work. Pop isn't Droses daddy.



I agree. But Pop obviously makes decisions based on what he thinks or believes. And fuck whatever everyone else says. If we had a chance to get Lebron and it required giving up Parker, I can see Pop keeping Parker.

[Atl Spur]

Yep



One could argue that playing for the Spurs actually extends your career so one is younger when coming onboard.


History supports this👍🏾😉. It's been a lot worst dudes that have worn the silver and black🙈 Our fans are way to emotional!!!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Rudy Gay's extensive playoff experience should be a welcome addition to the Spurs.

[SpursforSix]

One could argue that playing for the Spurs actually extends your career


yeah...that's for damn sure
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/7f/5a/59/7f5a591e3452ff675e8c8e5977103f74.jpg

[cd98]

Let's get this straight. Gay has not been to the playoffs much. But this year is his coming out party. Sure, Gay injured his achilles, but he takes a lot of pride in his game. He's had the surgery, he will get in shape and he will be bustin' asses all next season.

[SAGirl]

Simmons showed up in both playoff series for us.

Kyle Anderson had one good game when the series was over and the Warriors were coasting for the Finals. We get it, you love Kyle and think he'll be a ten time All-Star down the road. Cool story.
See it's things like this... no matter what someone always qualifies with personal bias. He did well when he played. He played in different situations but in general in all three series did well with the opportunities afforded. He really only had one inefficient game which was game 2. You can only judge guys with the opportunities that are afforded. If he sucked every time he played but one game .. ok but he didn't. He was solid in 8 minutes or 20 for the entire playoffs. Simmons was given his opportunities and he took advantage of them ... Kyle got his and also took advantage of them.

I didn't say he'd be an all star either... so you are all hyperbolic and pedantic. :td

[Darius Bieber]

I found a way we could get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

We thought you were dead and had to promote someone else. But you get your old job back at your regular pay, and we'd have to dock you for the days you missed.

[sasaint]

Which of the following teams would you want?

Team 1 (all guards)
Stephan Curry
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving

Team 2 (traditional team)
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Pat Connaughton
PF: Lou Amundson
SF: Damjan Rudez
C: John Henson

Case closed.

:lol What?

[sasaint]

yeah...that's for damn sure
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/7f/5a/59/7f5a591e3452ff675e8c8e5977103f74.jpg

HaHa! Proof!

[TheDoctor]

Let's get this straight. Gay has not been to the playoffs much. But this year is his coming out party. Sure, Gay injured his achilles, but he takes a lot of pride in his game. He's had the surgery, he will get in shape and he will be bustin' asses all next season.
http://www.nazoraean.com/prayerrequest/common/images/prayinghands1.png

[SAGirl]

Here's how I see the addition pro and con.

1. Not a great 3 pt shooter in a league that is evolving into perimeter players who can shoot the 3. Average?
2. 32 years old. The legs start to go and the jumper is the first sign followed by slow defense. Or is it the other way round? .
3. Achilles tendon injury--WTF. Our contract better have an 'out' if he can't physically perform. Adding 3 to 2 doesn't bode well.
4. Patfo always hopes that some of the veteran wisdom/ability is still there.
5. If we keep a lot of younger players, you have to have a veteran or two on court to steady some of our youngsters
6. Gotta give Pop the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. He likes to bring in vets in hopes they still can play. List is long with few outstanding winners.

Guess what? We'll just have to wait and see what develops. This isn't a slam dunk.
Fair evaluation.

[SpursforSix]

Let's get this straight. Gay has not been to the playoffs much. But this year is his coming out party. Sure, Gay injured his achilles, but he takes a lot of pride in his game. He's had the surgery, he will get in shape and he will be bustin' asses all next season.

Yes...kind of like...a...Phoenix.

[TheDoctor]

Yes...kind of like...a...Phoenix.
That makes him a Gaynix or wha?

[tholdren]

See it's things like this... no matter what someone always qualifies with personal bias. He did well when he played. He played in different situations but in general in all three series did well with the opportunities afforded. He really only had one inefficient game which was game 2. You can only judge guys with the opportunities that are afforded. If he sucked every time he played but one game .. ok but he didn't. He was solid in 8 minutes or 20 for the entire playoffs. Simmons was given his opportunities and he took advantage of them ... Kyle got his and also took advantage of them.

I didn't say he'd be an all star either... so you are all hyperbolic and pedantic. :td

Stupid rebuttle

[SpursforSix]

That makes him a Gaynix or wha?

I don't know. There's still time to think about it. The question is what to do with Parker if I give Gay his nickname. Does he become "Lil' Phoenix"? But maybe Tony is the real Phoenix. We'll see when he comes out.
But "Phoneix in Waiting" is a terrible name for Gay. I don't like "Gaynix". I just don't know. If they got Jordan Farmar, they could stand next to each other and it would read, "Gay Farmar". Which was part of a joke I created when I
was just a wee lad.

What another name for a gay farmer?
A Jolly Rancher.

I thought it was funny back then.

[BatManu20]

Some of y'all are really overthinking this signing. Injury be damned, we only used the MLE to sign him... it's a low risk, high reward move for a talented player. It's not like it makes us any worse.. Not like we were heavy favorites to win it all next year and now this signing suddenly jeopardizes that :lol

[SAGirl]

Stupid rebuttle
Not even going to ask... stupid rebuttal to stupid point really.

[tholdren]

Not even going to ask... stupid rebuttal to stupid point really.

Now youre getting it.

[spurraider21]

i wanted tyreke back when he was a FA leaving the kings (tbh thought manu would imminently retire... :lol me), but he got paid more than the MLE to play for new orleans. i still think he's a good player when on the floor, but his injury history is just too much, so it would really have to be a below market contract
1 year 3.3 with memphis. nice deal for them

[gambit1990]

yeah...that's for damn sure
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/7f/5a/59/7f5a591e3452ff675e8c8e5977103f74.jpg

:lol

[TD 21]

Think Spurs were his third choice. Thunder were rumored first, but didn't have access to MLE and moved onto Patterson. Heat (lives in Miami) were likely second, but choose Olynyk over him.

Don't know what to make of this . . .

- On the one hand, they needed to raise their ceiling and if he looks reasonably well recovered, it's a low risk, somewhat high reward gamble because the philosophical change of two bigs to one could improve the offense. Most perimeter based skills he was average at as an SF, he should be above average at as a PF and the same goes for Aldridge going from PF to C.

- On the other hand, getting further and further away from "Spurs basketball" with a third ISO forward.
- There is no rim roller/glass cleaner in the starting five and none of the former in the rotation period
- Is Aldridge on board with less minutes/touches/primarily playing C? Is Gasol on board with less minutes? Will Gay, in search of one last big pay day, be willing to sacrifice counting stats?

Then there's the matter of too many rotation bodies . . .

- Does Gay free them up to trade Aldridge for a pick/prospect?
- Does this mean they're less likely to match on Simmons or Ginobili is retiring?
- If it means none of the three, then that leaves one rotation spot for Anderson/Bertans and Hanga on the outs because the final roster spot will have to go to a true C.

[tholdren]

Think Spurs were his third choice. Thunder were rumored first, but didn't have access to MLE and moved onto Patterson. Heat (lives in Miami) were likely second, but choose Olynyk over him.

Don't know what to make of this . . .

- On the one hand, they needed to raise their ceiling and if he looks reasonably well recovered, it's a low risk, somewhat high reward gamble because the philosophical change of two bigs to one could improve the offense. Most perimeter based skills he was average at as an SF, he should be above average at as a PF and the same goes for Aldridge.

- On the other hand, getting further and further away from "Spurs basketball" with a third ISO forward.
- There is no rim roller/glass cleaner in the starting five and none of the former in the rotation period
- Is Aldridge on board with less minutes/touches/primarily playing C? Is Gasol on board with less minutes? Will Gay, in search of one last big pay day, be willing to sacrifice counting stats?

Then there's the matter of too many rotation bodies . . .

- Does Gay free them up to trade Aldridge for a pick/prospect?
- Does this mean they're less likely to match on Simmons or Ginobili is retiring?
- If it means none of the three, then that leaves one rotation spot for Anderson/Bertans and Hanga on the outs because the final roster spot will have to go to a true C.

Please name last time spurs had a rim roller or glass cleaner?

[sasaint]

Think Spurs were his third choice. Thunder were rumored first, but didn't have access to MLE and moved onto Patterson. Heat (lives in Miami) were likely second, but choose Olynyk over him.

Don't know what to make of this . . .

- On the one hand, they needed to raise their ceiling and if he looks reasonably well recovered, it's a low risk, somewhat high reward gamble because the philosophical change of two bigs to one could improve the offense. Most perimeter based skills he was average at as an SF, he should be above average at as a PF and the same goes for Aldridge going from PF to C.

- On the other hand, getting further and further away from "Spurs basketball" with a third ISO forward.
- There is no rim roller/glass cleaner in the starting five and none of the former in the rotation period
- Is Aldridge on board with less minutes/touches/primarily playing C? Is Gasol on board with less minutes? Will Gay, in search of one last big pay day, be willing to sacrifice counting stats?

Then there's the matter of too many rotation bodies . . .

- Does Gay free them up to trade Aldridge for a pick/prospect?
- Does this mean they're less likely to match on Simmons or Ginobili is retiring?
- If it means none of the three, then that leaves one rotation spot for Anderson/Bertans and Hanga on the outs because the final roster spot will have to go to a true C.

Excellent points, friend. :toast

[Hoops Czar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21RiR1G53FY

Spoiler alert: Skip thinks not. :lol

[benefactor]

Good. That means he'll work out fine.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Think Spurs were his third choice. Thunder were rumored first, but didn't have access to MLE and moved onto Patterson. Heat (lives in Miami) were likely second, but choose Olynyk over him.

Don't know what to make of this . . .

- On the one hand, they needed to raise their ceiling and if he looks reasonably well recovered, it's a low risk, somewhat high reward gamble because the philosophical change of two bigs to one could improve the offense. Most perimeter based skills he was average at as an SF, he should be above average at as a PF and the same goes for Aldridge going from PF to C.

- On the other hand, getting further and further away from "Spurs basketball" with a third ISO forward.
- There is no rim roller/glass cleaner in the starting five and none of the former in the rotation period
- Is Aldridge on board with less minutes/touches/primarily playing C? Is Gasol on board with less minutes? Will Gay, in search of one last big pay day, be willing to sacrifice counting stats?

Then there's the matter of too many rotation bodies . . .

- Does Gay free them up to trade Aldridge for a pick/prospect?
- Does this mean they're less likely to match on Simmons or Ginobili is retiring?
- If it means none of the three, then that leaves one rotation spot for Anderson/Bertans and Hanga on the outs because the final roster spot will have to go to a true C.

i don't know what Gay signing has to do with this. They don't play the same position and the Spurs still need guards.

[Chinook]

i don't know what Gay signing has to do with this. They don't play the same position and the Spurs still need guards.

The Spurs have a lot of guard (Mills, Murray, White, Forbes and Green with Parker still on the roster). Given that they have one player on the roster who can even pretend to play the five right now, they'll have to prioritize the front court with their four open slots. They'll not have enough for both Manu and Simmons if even Hanga comes aboard. And it's not obvious that having both (all three) would even make sense after spending on Gay.

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs have a lot of guard (Mills, Murray, White, Forbes and Green with Parker still on the roster). Given that they have one player on the roster who can even pretend to play the five right now, they'll have to prioritize the front court with their four open slots. They'll not have enough for both Manu and Simmons if even Hanga comes aboard. And it's not obvious that having both (all three) would even make sense after spending on Gay.

How many of those guards mentioned can actually pretend to play the 1? Parker, IF he can comeback healthy.

[JeffDuncan]

A comparison of Gay's stats from last season with Kawhi's
is interesting.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Spurs have a lot of guard (Mills, Murray, White, Forbes and Green with Parker still on the roster). Given that they have one player on the roster who can even pretend to play the five right now, they'll have to prioritize the front court with their four open slots. They'll not have enough for both Manu and Simmons if even Hanga comes aboard. And it's not obvious that having both (all three) would even make sense after spending on Gay.

Let's be honest here. Forbes, and probably White, aren't rotation guys. I have more hope for White than Forbes, and Parker's gonna be out at least half the year.

Your'e really looking at something like:

PG Murray, Mills
SG Green, Murray/Mills?, with the hope you fill this out with Simmons and Manu, or White blows up in a good way

Thinking we're good because we have Forbes and White out there at the guard position is very shortsighted at best.

[tholdren]

Let's be honest here. Forbes, and probably White, aren't rotation guys. I have more hope for White than Forbes, and Parker's gonna be out at least half the year.

Your'e really looking at something like:

PG Murray, Mills
SG Green, Murray/Mills?, with the hope you fill this out with Simmons and Manu, or White blows up in a good way

Thinking we're good because we have Forbes and White out there at the guard position is very shortsighted at best.

Mills and forbes are equal imo. Patty cant dribble or create, neither can forbes. Both catch shoot, but i think forbes is a better shooter.

[raybies]

Some of y'all are really overthinking this signing. Injury be damned, we only used the MLE to sign him... it's a low risk, high reward move for a talented player. It's not like it makes us any worse.. Not like we were heavy favorites to win it all next year and now this signing suddenly jeopardizes that :lol
This.

[tonight...you]

I hadn't seen this until just a while ago:

“We expect him to be ready to go” for camp, said Gay’s agent, Roger Montgomery. “He's healthy. He's cleared. We don't expect any residuals from the injury.”

Hard to believe that the Spurs had time for their own medical staff to do a proper work-up, but the agent is claiming that he has medically cleared... something.
Well... Rudy G has never really been accused of not caring about his game and showing up out of shape.
He's a gamer, for better, or worse and he'll be at the best he possibly can be, when training camp opens. Let's just hope his best is still good and he doesn't keep coming down with those niggling injuries that prevents gelling with the team, over the season.

[tonight...you]

Mills and forbes are equal imo. Patty cant dribble or create, neither can forbes. Both catch shoot, but i think forbes is a better shooter.
I'd probably say Patty is more pesky, as a defender, but that's not really praising his defense.
Just that he sometimes catches a bone with his activity and that's more than Forbes does.

Otherwise... yeah.

[TD 21]

Please name last time spurs had a rim roller or glass cleaner?

Dedmon . . . last season. :wakeup



i don't know what Gay signing has to do with this. They don't play the same position and the Spurs still need guards.

Crowded rotation and lack of roster spots for bigs.

They need better quality, but not quantity. Depending on what happens with Simmons, Ginobili and Forbes, they could have 8 guards on the roster. 3 can and will play some SF, but that's still too many. I don't care how small the league is going or how they intend to play, every team (especially an aging team looking to make a deep run) still needs regular season minute eaters. Right now, they have 2 traditional bigs and might only have a spot for 1 more.

[FkLA]

Mills and forbes are equal imo. Patty cant dribble or create, neither can forbes. Both catch shoot, but i think forbes is a better shooter.

:lol

You realize MVPaddy has led the Olympics in scoring and has been a rotation player on elite teams, right? Forbes resume consists of one good RS game against a tanking Dallas team and a good Summer League game.

[bdictjames]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/6/61/Sex_machine.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150824190412
First thought was like: That better not be Trump. Lol :lol

[tonight...you]

First thought was like: That better not be Trump. Lol :lol
Funny, my first thought was, Trump, at 3 AM, after his stealth rails in the bathroom, after Melania falls asleep- and he's grasping his celly, turning on Twitter...

Sitting on the toilet.

[TheDoctor]

First thought was like: That better not be Trump. Lol :lol

:lol I would not be surprised tbh

[BatManu20]

Rudy seems excited. :tu



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEKbmobVwAAXLLI?format=jpg&name=large

[BatManu20]

883451886187159552

[gambit1990]

liking the signing more and more :tu

rudy has never had the fortune of playing alongside someone with kawhi's talents.

rudy as not the #1 option suits him better.

[ace3g]

883452752629837825

[Chinook]

It'd be a real bitch if they traded Danny now after he's been the only vet Spur doing any talking.

[cd98]

It'd be a real bitch if they traded Danny now after he's been the only vet Spur doing any talking.

He's probably are only legit recruiter.

[gambit1990]

It'd be a real bitch if they traded Danny now after he's been the only vet Spur doing any talking.
if the spurs signed hill for ~$19 million would they have been able to sign rudy?

[Chinook]

if the spurs signed hill for ~$19 million would they have been able to sign rudy?

They wouldn't have had the MLE, but depending on how they got the $19 Million in space, they could have signed both.

[Chinook]

He's probably are only legit recruiter.

After the Spurs had their meeting with LMA in 2015, Aldridge called Green to ask him if the Spurs were the place to join. Even though Pop had pretty much told Green they were only willing to give him so much (which was way under market value), Danny still closed the deal for them.

[ace3g]

Better audio

883468938285375488

[cd98]

At end of Lowe Post podcast they addressed the Gay signing. They said it was Plan C to sign him and that he won't be good the first season as he gets over his injury and he doesn't move the needle to beat GSW.

[Chinook]

Imagine if Green were still in his 2014-2015 form. Would be a huge recruiter.

[hater]

Of course we still not beat Worriers :lol

Nobody is beating wortiers next season save a train thru the team bus

Still this signing was a no brainer

We need firepower and Gay is firepower

Now we lose to worriers 4-1 instead of getting swept

[TheDoctor]

At end of Lowe Post podcast they addressed the Gay signing. They said it was Plan C to sign him and that he won't be good the first season as he gets over his injury and he doesn't move the needle to beat GSW.

He's right but he's being Captain Obvious per par. On paper, talent for talent, nobody should beat Golden Showers.

[Dex]

At end of Lowe Post podcast they addressed the Gay signing. They said it was Plan C to sign him and that he won't be good the first season as he gets over his injury and he doesn't move the needle to beat GSW.

If plan A and plan B was signing CP3 or PG, then yes...this is plan C.

But plan A and B only had like a 2% chance of happening anyways.

[dabom]

:lol

You realize MVPaddy has led the Olympics in scoring and has been a rotation player on elite teams, right? Forbes resume consists of one good RS game against a tanking Dallas team and a good Summer League game.

:lol

[tonight...you]

Of course we still not beat Worriers :lol

Nobody is beating wortiers next season save a train thru the team bus

Still this signing was a no brainer

We need firepower and Gay is firepower

Now we lose to worriers 4-1 instead of getting swept
Maybe 4-2... Maybe win the series if Pop gets a player to go Horry someone. I mean Za-Za...

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er3A48rmyEA

[DPG21920]

At end of Lowe Post podcast they addressed the Gay signing. They said it was Plan C to sign him and that he won't be good the first season as he gets over his injury and he doesn't move the needle to beat GSW.

It was strange with Lowe. He's been wrong on SA for a while now (even though I like him), but in that same article/pod he said the "winners" of free agency were the teams that were patient the past two years and that had a clear path to 20+M in cap space next year. Spurs have that exact thing even with their deals they sign this year.

But then he says Spurs are basically losers this FA because they essentially stood pat by signing Gay and him not being their plan A or B.

[HarlemHeat37]

It was strange with Lowe. He's been wrong on SA for a while now (even though I like him), but in that same article/pod he said the "winners" of free agency were the teams that were patient the past two years and that had a clear path to 20+M in cap space next year. Spurs have that exact thing even with their deals they sign this year.

But then he says Spurs are basically losers this FA because they essentially stood pat by signing Gay and him not being their plan A or B.

I like Lowe, too, but all his Spurs-related predictions have been horrible since 2013, positive and negative:lol

[DPG21920]

I like Lowe, too, but all his Spurs-related predictions have been horrible since 2013, positive and negative:lol

Ya - him not liking the Spurs this year bodes well so far

[tonight...you]

I like Lowe, too, but all his Spurs-related predictions have been horrible since 2013, positive and negative:lol
He has no ties with them, he guesses harder with the Spurs than with almost any other team. It's easy to spot what's going on there.

[cd98]

It was strange with Lowe. He's been wrong on SA for a while now (even though I like him), but in that same article/pod he said the "winners" of free agency were the teams that were patient the past two years and that had a clear path to 20+M in cap space next year. Spurs have that exact thing even with their deals they sign this year.

But then he says Spurs are basically losers this FA because they essentially stood pat by signing Gay and him not being their plan A or B.

I think that cap space will be good. Also hope we hit on one of our last 4 first rounders. Right now they are eh, but if one becomes a legit player, it will be huge.

[gambit1990]

I like Lowe, too, but all his Spurs-related predictions have been horrible since 2013, positive and negative:lol
comma after lowe is wrong.

[tonight...you]

comma after is lowe is wrong.
Capital at the beginning of your sentence.
And capitalize Lowe, stupid.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY4iNcbyh20

[gambit1990]

Capital at the beginning of your sentence.
And capitalize Lowe, stupid.
capitalizing doesn't change context nearly as much as a comma does.

go back to school.

[tonight...you]

capitalizing doesn't change context like a comma does.

go back to school.
Yeah, school would fail you dumbass.

[TimDunkem]

capitalizing doesn't change context nearly as much as a comma does.

go back to school.:lol

[DPG21920]

I think that cap space will be good. Also hope we hit on one of our last 4 first rounders. Right now they are eh, but if one becomes a legit player, it will be huge.

Ya - with Rudy it's a catch 22. If he does great and SA has success, he obviously opts out for much of that. But that is a good problem to have.

If he does poor, he probably stays and that eats into it but even then SA should have a clear path to at least replace LMA if he's gone with another top flight player.

[tonight...you]

:lol
Oh yeah?

[Chinook]

There are guys who seem like cancers who totally buy in when they get to a good team. TJ Ford comes to mind. If Gay really did have the reaction RC said he did, maybe he understands it. As I've been saying, he could be looking for an Iggy pivot. We'll see. That it was only a one-year deal isn't great for that narrative.

Then again, Austin Daye screamed into his pillow like a little bitch when SA traded for him. He thought they'd revive his career. Look where that got him. Got a ring tho.

[DPG21920]

The one-year deal doesn't say too much for me IMO - it's just good business for Rudy. Can still give SA an advantage to sign him, but he was doing SA a solid by coming at that price it looks like.

[tonight...you]

The one-year deal doesn't say too much for me IMO - it's just good business for Rudy. Can still give SA an advantage to sign him, but he was doing SA a solid by coming at that price it looks like.
I think he's ready for a taste. A taste of success and see how that feels, as opposed to personal wealth.
We'll see how it goes...

Hopefully they do succeed and no major injuries happen and he buys in and plays more D like Aldridge has done and this team does something... I don't know... Something special.

Totally doubt it. But...

[DPG21920]

I'm fine with Rudy, but man, this PG rotation is such a major gamble on SA's part. It's legit bad and there is so much pressure on guys like Murray/Forbes/White to do something which scares me a lot.

[TheDoctor]

I think he's ready for a taste. A taste of success and see how that feels, as opposed to personal wealth. We'll see how it goes...

Hopefully they do succeed and no major injuries happen and he buys in and plays more D like Aldridge has done and this team does something... I don't know... Something special.

Totally doubt it. But...

DWorst's playing for the Worriers mate.

[tonight...you]

I'm fine with Rudy, but man, this PG rotation is such a major gamble on SA's part. It's legit bad and there is so much pressure on guys like Murray/Forbes/White to do something which scares me a lot.
Worst case scenario: Patty is the starter and brings it up, just to give it to Kawhi every time.
And there it goes.
The plays start with Kawhi.

Not through the whole game... but every time it gets crunch: Patty to Kawhi: Go.

[BatManu20]

I'm about to change my default to Rudy Gay just to support this dude with the amount of hate he's receiving in this thread.. Ridiculous.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Rudy seems excited. :tu



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEKbmobVwAAXLLI?format=jpg&name=large

One guy doesn't quite fit in that photo. Hopefully he'll have a change of heart and seriously get over himself.

[tonight...you]

DWorst's playing for the Worriers mate.
Damn... you got me there, as always Doc.

[vy65]

Rudy seems excited. :tu



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEKbmobVwAAXLLI?format=jpg&name=large

Kawhi already looking dejected af

[vy65]

One guy doesn't quite fit in that photo.

Kawhi?

[cd98]

I do think Signing Gay was the right move. If he plays well, Spurs get him at a steal for one year and get the inside track to re-sign him along with the rep for rehabilitating players like Gay after injuries or instilling a winning culture. Pardon the pun, but if he flames out, then Spurs having a down year gives us a better draft position next year plus we will have cap space to sign another superstar. It's not like we are going to beat GSW this year. So compiling assets for a year is a smart move.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi already looking dejected af

:lol

[DPG21920]

I do think Signing Gay was the right move. If he plays well, Spurs get him at a steal for one year and get the inside track to re-sign him along with the rep for rehabilitating players like Gay after injuries or instilling a winning culture. Pardon the pun, but if he flames out, then Spurs having a down year gives us a better draft position next year plus we will have cap space to sign another superstar. It's not like we are going to beat GSW this year. So compiling assets for a year is a smart move.

Look, if SA brings back the same team basically and Gay sucks, they won't be getting a good draft pick. They will still be a top 4 team.

Also, keep in mind, that cap space comes with LMA leaving. SA really needs 3 stars and right now they have 1.5. If LMA leaves and they get a legit star, that would be 2, but it would be damn nice to just keep adding to LMA/Kawhi

[cd98]

Look, if SA brings back the same team basically and Gay sucks, they won't be getting a good draft pick. They will still be a top 4 team.

Also, keep in mind, that cap space comes with LMA leaving. SA really needs 3 stars and right now they have 1.5. If LMA leaves and they get a legit star, that would be 2, but it would be damn nice to just keep adding to LMA/Kawhi

LMA will be an expiring contract. It will be valuable for a team over the cap (and there are a lot of them). Same with Gay's contract if he opts in.

Spurs arent necessarily bringing back the same team. Losing Manu and Dedmon will have an impact, especially if Gay is in and out of the lineup or if he has lost too many steps. I'm not saying a lottery pick, but being a 4 or 5 seed or even lower wouldn't bother me. If we can't win it all, and as constituted, not sure we can, I don't mind Spurs underachieving for a year.

[tholdren]

:lol

You realize MVPaddy has led the Olympics in scoring and has been a rotation player on elite teams, right? Forbes resume consists of one good RS game against a tanking Dallas team and a good Summer League game.

I averaged a triple double in high school but i didnt do shit like mills last post season. Im sure gsw gives as much about my high school as the australian olympics.

[tonight...you]

I averaged a triple double in high school but i didnt do shit like mills last post season. Im sure gsw gives as much about my high school as the australian olympics.
You fucked around and averaged a triple double?

[DPG21920]

LMA will be an expiring contract. It will be valuable for a team over the cap (and there are a lot of them). Same with Gay's contract if he opts in.

Spurs arent necessarily bringing back the same team. Losing Manu and Dedmon will have an impact, especially if Gay is in and out of the lineup or if he has lost too many steps. I'm not saying a lottery pick, but being a 4 or 5 seed or even lower wouldn't bother me. If we can't win it all, and as constituted, not sure we can, I don't mind Spurs underachieving for a year.

It's not whether or not I mind it, it is what it is. Them underachieving really does nothing to help the team is what I'm saying.

[TimDunkem]

I averaged a triple double in high school but i didnt do shit like mills last post season. Im sure gsw gives as much about my high school as the australian olympics.
Sure you did, brah.

[dabom]

I'm about to change my default to Rudy Gay just to support this dude with the amount of hate he's receiving in this thread.. Ridiculous.

Do it. :tu

[DPG21920]

Do it. :tu

Will you indulge me in an experiment? Take Murray off your avi - let's see how he does the next SL game. If he sucks you can put it right back.

[dabom]

Will you indulge me in an experiment? Take Murray off your avi - let's see how he does the next SL game. If he sucks you can put it right back.

:lol Dude, he's gonna be good. You don't need to worry about SL.

[DPG21920]

:lol Dude, he's gonna be good. You don't need to worry about SL.

I know. But indulge me, please? It's my birthday.

[dabom]

I know. But indulge me, please? It's my birthday.

If it's your birthday. No lie?

[DPG21920]

If it's your birthday. No lie?

I can't lie to you. It's not my birthday. :lol

[dabom]

I can't lie to you. It's not my birthday. :lol

one night dude.

[DPG21920]

one night dude.

Dabom - I now feel bad for all the private messages I sent to my uncle to ban you :tu

[dabom]

Dabom - I now feel bad for all the private messages I sent to my uncle to ban you :tu

It's alright. Your uncle a good dude too. :tu

[raybies]

Kawhi already looking dejected af
damn son, that was funny :lol

[dabom]

Till next game. I'm out drinking.

[spurs10]

It's alright. Your uncle a good dude too. :tu
Killer avatar!

[DPG21920]

Till next game. I'm out drinking.

Deal. I'm having a beer before I go to Alamo Drafthouse for a beer + Spider-Man. Wife gave me the ol' hall pass for the night.

[dabom]

Killer avatar!

Thanks. :lol

[SAGirl]

There are guys who seem like cancers who totally buy in when they get to a good team. TJ Ford comes to mind. If Gay really did have the reaction RC said he did, maybe he understands it. As I've been saying, he could be looking for an Iggy pivot. We'll see. That it was only a one-year deal isn't great for that narrative.

Then again, Austin Daye screamed into his pillow like a little bitch when SA traded for him. He thought they'd revive his career. Look where that got him. Got a ring tho.

I am not sure what you mean by Iggy pivot bc I don't know what the narrative was with Iggy b4 GSW.

[Chinook]

I am not sure what you mean by Iggy pivot bc I don't know what the narrative was with Iggy b4 GSW.

He went from mediocre star to super role-player in one off-season. Of course, he was always a good passer, and he got paid. Gay isn't quite there yet in any of those terms, but he seemed to be moving that way. West and again Ford are other Spurs-related examples.

[Chinook]

Well, Ford wasn't a star, but he had a bad rep for selfishness before he came to SA. He did have a good peak, though.

[tholdren]

You fucked around and averaged a triple double?

Freaked em every way like mj

[bklynspursfan]

Rudy seems excited. :tu



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEKbmobVwAAXLLI?format=jpg&name=large

Dwight Howard liked this pic too :lol

[RD2191]

Freaked em every way like mj

Lavar, that you?

[Chinook]

Dwight Howard liked this pic too :lol

Howard's like "PLZ trade for me."

[tholdren]

Lavar, that you?

Got you and your 43k posts tuned in, so i must be

[ace3g]

2 12 22 -- that is a lot of 2s

[RD2191]

Got you and your 43k posts tuned in, so i must be

Crofl, okay uncle Rico.

[rastaspur]

Sure you did, brah.

That's al bundy of spurstalk. He was a star at Polk high. Show some respect, brah.

[tholdren]

That's al bundy of spurstalk. He was a star at Polk high. Show some respect, brah.

Thanks for having my back man.

[rastaspur]

Thanks for having my back man.

:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Howard's like "PLZ trade for me."

Ya, was thinking the same lol. Dudes been around the block a bit the last few years

[SAGirl]

He went from mediocre star to super role-player in one off-season. Of course, he was always a good passer, and he got paid. Gay isn't quite there yet in any of those terms, but he seemed to be moving that way. West and again Ford are other Spurs-related examples.
I don't think Dworst was that special in all honesty...
but maybe Boris Diaw is a great example.
thanks for answering.

[spurs10]

2 12 22 -- that is a lot of 2s Saw that two...I mean too!

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[Spur|n|Austin]

Let's get this straight. Gay has not been to the playoffs much. But this year is his coming out party. Sure, Gay injured his achilles, but he takes a lot of pride in his game. He's had the surgery, he will get in shape and he will be bustin' asses all next season.

:tu

[SpurPadre]

Dwight Howard liked this pic too :lol

Somewhere TD is laughing at Howard.

[BatManu20]

The more I watch his highlights, the more intrigued I am. He's got serious potential on D when he tries on that end.


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[BatManu20]

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[FkLA]

The more I watch his highlights, the more intrigued I am. He's got serious potential on D when he tries on that end.

I'm telling y'all man, unless all his lift is gone he will flourish in SA. Too much length and too skilled for him not to. Well spoken, professional, takes care of his body. He'll buy into the culture.

[Nathan89]

Start him at the 4. That's the best lineup so it should get heavy minutes throughout the regular season. Put him on the bench and you'll get IsoGay:lol but at the 4 we have potential to be a different team.

[Nathan89]

-v90fARVnHQ

Dude thinks Gay is 27-28yo. Can't even bother to look up his age.

[dabom]

BatManu20 in. Hell yeah. :lol

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[bic50]

Idk why but I always got the impression that Rudy gay didn't like Kawhi.

[loveforthegame]

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[Big Empty]

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Kawhi
Green
Simmons
Gay
Aldridge
?

[SpursforSix]

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He's gaging? What the fuck.

[John Petrucci]

Idk why but I always got the impression that Rudy gay didn't like Kawhi.

What you were most likely seeing was that he didn't like playing against him :lol

Although Rudy seemed to have some great offensive games with Kawhi guarding him

[jermaine]

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He's been playing 2k to much

[rudwick]

Probably Richard Jefferson 2.0.

[Chillen]

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Sign Derrick Rose! come on Spurs. Parker is probably out till January. Kawhi don't need to be playing PG every night for the Spurs. Start Derrick, make Parker come off the bench.

[BatManu20]

BatManu20 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33095) in. Hell yeah. :lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/oBPOP48aQpIxq/giphy.gif

[td4mvp2k]

Of course we still not beat Worriers :lol

Nobody is beating wortiers next season save a train thru the team bus

Still this signing was a no brainer

We need firepower and Gay is firepower

Now we lose to worriers 4-1 instead of getting sweptit would be closer now doe... up to lamarsha now tbh

[kaji157]

If 3 of our players (Gay, Aldridge and Murray) exceed expectations. And others (Green, Mills, Gasol, Bertans) don't have subpar seasons, we have a very good chance.
They have basically the same team and you may say we might have improved I'd you consider Murray and Aldridge can give you more than Parker and last year Aldridge, we added Gay, etc.
It's not the warriors that makes me doubt, but other teams that have really improved.
I still see the same conference finals, let's hope the injuries are not on our side.

[Chillen]

I wonder if the Warriors will start to show some fatigue this upcoming season after being to 3 straight NBA Finals, 3 straight long seasons. If they want to repeat If I was Kerr I would make sure they don't give a crap about regular season records and rest some games.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEJfrKdUQAAGyNK.jpg:large

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEGfXpAXcAMnse9.jpg:large

[spurraider21]

it's not his talent that's concerning, its the achilles. all these videos of his highlights and how he's going to be a fit are irrelevant if his athleticism has been sapped

[tholdren]

it's not his talent that's concerning, its the achilles. all these videos of his highlights and how he's going to be a fit are irrelevant if his athleticism has been sapped

Dumb. They are called highlights so people like you will watch and go wow. I have yet to see highlights of correct basketball play over casual fan wowee plays. Stop watching highlights and watch the whole game

[Mnky]

it's not his talent that's concerning, its the achilles. all these videos of his highlights and how he's going to be a fit are irrelevant if his athleticism has been sapped

His game is not based on athleticism . He is a skilled low post and mid range player. He shot pretty good from 3 last year on a horrible team. He rebounds with his awareness and great length/size. Last year he was barely hoping for his dunks. He might be have more lift this year with the renewed motivation and rebuild of his lower body. Either way, he doesn't need a 30' vertical with his size, to be good. He also has a shot he can make over just about anyone.

Not really a lot of risk with such a cheap contract.

[cd021]

yup thought the same. If we were under the cap we would have signed him with cap space. So if he already signed it's the MLE from being over the cap. So we bringing the crew back. Most likely losing Dedmon maybe Lee. Hanga and Milutinov may be in.

But yeah it's resigning guys. It might be awhile cause of Simmons. He's really holding out. It seems he's like option C or D for teams with cap like New York and Brooklyn and they both just signed players to offer sheets so it may be another couple days at least before we get more clarity.

That makes the most sense. I don't see Hanga coming over now if Manu and Simmons are back, though that is probably a coin flip for each. I would hope that Milutinov comes over, he won't play much but it's better to get him on his rookie scale deal (Having three players on rookie scale is a plus) now and give him a year to continue developing and learning the spurs system.

I could see Lee resigning but he would probably be the third big on a team that appears likely to play small with Gay, Anderson, and Bertans playing at the four.

He played well enough to deserve a rotation spot on a team but I am not sure he would be one this season for us.

Nate Duncan has mentioned that the market has seems to have dried up for bigs, Dedmon might be willing to return on a one year deal but he might have the same issue. So long, as he doesn't go to GSW, I am alright with him leaving.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Hopefully his 3ball is sharpened. With an obvious loss of athleticism after the injury, he'll need to adjust his game accordingly.

I really am loving this signing more and more each day, especially at the price tag.

[cd021]

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I call fake news. Pop seems to be averse to playing small ball so I wouldn't say never but Kawhi is already asked to do too much, he might have to start manning a concession stand during half time too.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I call fake news. Pop seems to be averse to playing small ball so I wouldn't say never but Kawhi is already asked to do too much, he might have to start manning a concession stand during half time too.

I sort of agree, but the way we saw his passing evolve this year opens up the possibility.

[ceperez]

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Not sure what this means. I hope it doesn't mean bringing up the ball!

If it means that he gets the ball first once it reaches half court, then not a problem!

[daslicer]

it's not his talent that's concerning, its the achilles. all these videos of his highlights and how he's going to be a fit are irrelevant if his athleticism has been sapped

I agree that it all hinges on his recovery of whether or not this signing was a good or bad. We won't know how effective of a player he can be coming off the achilles injury until the first week of the regular season.

[BatManu20]

Grades: Spurs Take Smart Shot On Rehabbing Rudy Gay



Rudy Gay’s 12th NBA season just might produce his first trip to the second round of the playoffs.


The Spurs signed Gay, 30, to a two-year contract worth a reported $17.2 million on Thursday. The agreement, which required San Antonio’s mid-level exception, includes a player option for the 2018-19 season. Of note, Gay, who suffered a season-ending Achilles tear on Jan. 18, turned down a $14 million option to remain with the Kings after spending three-plus seasons in Sacramento.


At first blush, this deal makes for an odd couple arrangement between an organization known for its consistent winning and a player known for the opposite. Gay (18.7 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 2.8 APG) hasn’t advanced to the postseason since 2012, and his departures from Memphis and Toronto coincided with upticks in play from his former teams. An athletic wing with a smooth stroke and two FIBA gold medals to his name, Gay has long battled a reputation for empty stats and middling advanced numbers. In Sacramento, though, the Kings played better with him on the court in each of the last three seasons and he led the team with a +1.7 net rating last year.


San Antonio is uniquely positioned to take a chance on Gay and it’s really not all that chancy given the short-term nature of this deal. First, the Spurs are masters of minutes management and regular-season success so they can afford to bring back Gay on his own schedule and carefully limit his playing time once he returns. Second, they have a clear need for athleticism and length on the wing, as evidenced by their struggles against Golden State following All-Star Kawhi Leonard’s ankle injury in Game 1 of the West finals. Third, they’re masters at turning aging cast-offs and forgotten talents into functional rotation pieces. Look no further than Pau Gasol and David Lee, among countless others.



Finally, the Spurs seem to have settled into viewing 2017-18 as a transition year after missing out on Chris Paul and other high-profile potential difference-makers via trade or free-agent signing. San Antonio is set to enjoy significant flexibility next summer when LaMarcus Aldridge can opt out of his contract and Tony Parker’s current deal ends. Right now, Gay’s player option looks mostly like protection against a re-injury and his ability to rehab his market value and re-enter the market next summer keeps San Antonio in position to make a major strike if a big fish becomes available.


Gay will likely be remembered when he retires as a talented scorer who was miscast as a lead option and who frustrated observers by never reaching his star potential. If there’s one thing Gregg Popovich and company succeed at, though, it’s casting their pieces properly. For that reason, Gay’s arrival in San Antonio—and the narrower role he steps into—should be met with measured optimism and patience. He almost certainly won’t be the key to taking down the Warriors, but there weren’t too many better ways for the Spurs to spend their mid-level while keeping their big-picture vision locked on next summer. If Gay is going to be stuck leaving money on the table, San Antonio is the place to do it.


Grade: B


https://www.si.com/nba/2017/07/07/rudy-gay-spurs-contract-free-agency-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-grades

[tholdren]

In response to writeup...
1. Advanced stats dont mean anything, especially the net.
2. Nothing was learned against gsw. Spurs played without their 2 best players. Length and athleticism didnt matter when spurs were reaming golden state 4v5 with kl not 100%

The only logical point made was the managing minutes and allowing him to come back on a slow schedule without needing him to score 20 ppg to win.

Low risk high reward why isnt it an A? No other player spurs could have signed without some crazy overhaul.

[xellos88330]

I can't wait to see what Gay can bring to the Spurs. I just want the offseason over already. This is so long of a wait for NBA basketball.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

In response to writeup...
1. Advanced stats dont mean anything, especially the net.
2. Nothing was learned against gsw. Spurs played without their 2 best players. Length and athleticism didnt matter when spurs were reaming golden state 4v5 with kl not 100%

The only logical point made was the managing minutes and allowing him to come back on a slow schedule without needing him to score 20 ppg to win.

Low risk high reward why isnt it an A? No other player spurs could have signed without some crazy overhaul.

No way does it deserve an A, even a B is a little high. Spurs struck out badly this offseason and weren't expecting that all. I'd give them a C and pray they aren't a free destination cancer for star players.

[tholdren]

No way does it deserve an A, even a B is a little high. Spurs struck out badly this offseason and weren't expecting that all. I'd give them a C and pray they aren't a free destination cancer for star players.

Lol how did they strike out? They kept a team that was easily the second best in the league. No one jumped them, they didnt get suckered into financial jail, and they improved their bench. There was no realistic way to stay top tier and get some bum ass pg.

[bklynspursfan]

Lol how did they strike out? They kept a team that was easily the second best in the league. No one jumped them, they didnt get suckered into financial jail, and they improved their bench. There was no realistic way to stay top tier and get some bum ass pg.

People just want big splashes to happen and think if they don't, it's a losing off season and PATFO don't care.

I'm interested to see if there's a 2013 off season thread to see how many people were furious they didn't make adjustments and came back with the same squad.

[Mnky]

Lol how did they strike out? They kept a team that was easily the second best in the league. No one jumped them, they didnt get suckered into financial jail, and they improved their bench. There was no realistic way to stay top tier and get some bum ass pg.

:bobo

[YGWHI]

Kawhi already looking dejected af

This is how a superstar looks when the FAs his team signed in las two seasons were a 36 years old Paul Gasol, 40 years old Manu in 2016 and 30 years old coming off ruptured Achilles injury Rudy Gay...

Among the rookies/sophomores only Murray and Davis will see minutes but if Mills starts games instead of Murray, Kawhi will be the younger guy in the SL by a large margin again.

I wonder where are the players in the same timeline on Kawhi's who will play with him in his prime years?

[Ice009]

I like Rudy Gay, but this is a sad and sorry off-season so far.

[Mr. Body]

I like Rudy Gay, but this is a sad and sorry off-season so far.

I tend to agree, but also: what better could have been done? CP3 wanted to play for the Rockets. Indiana wasn't going to trade PG to San Antonio. The only big name that seems like he could have been had was Jimmy Butler, but Minnesota's package was better. The Spurs don't have many assets. Also, people thinking Parker would be traded are retarded.

What sucks is that LMA is a pussy and he can't get over himself. But it's far better to keep him than dump him for shitty assets or even use assets to dump him.

The best course may be this one, keep your powder dry. Don't fish, but cut bait. The Warriors rule due to dipshit Durant, so just push things out a year when you're in the catbird's seat.

[Blackjack]

^That, and if they are going to make a move, an in-season trade will net greater value for their assets.

If a team's either making a push or tanking, those expiring or short-term contracts will look more attractive.

If nothing happens, then they've got the cap space to give it another go next year.

[Raven]

No way does it deserve an A, even a B is a little high. Spurs struck out badly this offseason and weren't expecting that all. I'd give them a C and pray they aren't a free destination cancer for star players.

pretty much spurs A++ and everyone from D- to lower if you ask me... Paying absurd amount of money for lateral moves is just laughable..

[weebo]

WTF are we celebrating? Giving $17 million to a guy who wasn't all that good before his career was over?

[Ice009]

I tend to agree, but also: what better could have been done? CP3 wanted to play for the Rockets. Indiana wasn't going to trade PG to San Antonio. The only big name that seems like he could have been had was Jimmy Butler, but Minnesota's package was better. The Spurs don't have many assets. Also, people thinking Parker would be traded are retarded.

What sucks is that LMA is a pussy and he can't get over himself. But it's far better to keep him than dump him for shitty assets or even use assets to dump him.

The best course may be this one, keep your powder dry. Don't fish, but cut bait. The Warriors rule due to dipshit Durant, so just push things out a year when you're in the catbird's seat.

I wasn't necessarily bagging them for the whole off-season. I have a massive problem with the Mills contract being offered at the start of free agency, but apart from that, I have no problem with them bringing back the same team. After CP3 going to Houston and not being able to trade for Paul George, I'm OK with not giving out stupid contracts and holding that money for another try next off-season. There was not much else that could be done. I don't want to overpay for mediocre players. I'm also not sure about the Spurs' draft pick/s. I think they could have done better there.

I also want Aldridge back, but I just hope he's not going to be a fuckwit about it and for him to actually come back and as hard as he can.

[ace3g]

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[ducks]

gay and parker will kick ass
and mop the floor with gs ass

[Hoops Czar]

gay and parker will kick ass
and mop the floor with gs ass
They sure will and do you know why? Because they said so.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBAW_sMQbc