Start Bertans right now

[Chinook]

You easily use words like 'easily' when trying to make your point, yet there's no point of playing Pondexter outside of garbage time to see if he can even still jog up and down the court during an NBA game.

Yeah there is. Basketball isn't run on paper or in forums. They have Pon on their team. They will likely have to address cutting him soon. It makes sense to see if that's the best course of action. That's just being responsible.

[SAGirl]

I think everyone knows he’s a good shooter but that’s not enough. The team already has shooters unlike last season and he can’t take Mills minutes unfortunately...

[SAGirl]

Yeah there is. Basketball isn't run on paper or in forums. They have Pon on their team. They will likely have to address cutting him soon. It makes sense to see if that's the best course of action. That's just being responsible.
Agreed on the Pondexter thing. Pop playing him a few minutes outside of garbage time when he often doesn’t have a PG or proper lineups is kinda necessary to see how Pondexter looks next to others. They may very well be thinking about keeping him and it would be irresponsible to do that without seeing him play a few minutes with proper lineups.

[skookumchuck]

Yeah there is. Basketball isn't run on paper or in forums. They have Pon on their team. They will likely have to address cutting him soon. It makes sense to see if that's the best course of action. That's just being responsible.

You're right on account of the teams investment in the immediate future, but Pondexter's going to be out of the league in a year again. Do you then go and try to justify your borderline unreasonable signing of the guy or you never ever play him ahead of a much better, younger player with still so much unlocked upside? Not sure, really.

[Chinook]

You're right on account of the teams investment in the immediate future, but Pondexter's going to be out of the league in a year again. Do you then go and try to justify your borderline unreasonable signing of the guy or you never ever play him ahead of a much better, younger player with still so much unlocked upside? Not sure, really.

Pon made sense as a flier. They needed a rotational SF, and when healthy, Quincy was able to do that. They had to give him some guaranteed money to get him into camp. They're really trying to protect their money this year, so they can't afford to pay more money just to waive Pon later. But now, Pon is essentially on a 10-day contract. 10-day guys usually get rotational minutes even though once they're given a real contract, they often go back to the bench. It's not because those coaches are dumb/unfair for 10 days and then come back to themselves. They just need some data to make a decision.

I'm actually surprised Quincy hasn't played more.

[skookumchuck]

I'm actually surprised Quincy hasn't played more.
I'm not. He's very likely physically incapable of doing so.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bertans fucking sucks.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bertans wont work with any line that has him on the floor with patty or forbes on at the same t ime, they are not creators, they are fkn chuckers

hence if u watch the spurs vs mavs game 29/10/2018, bertains was late on the defensive switches where he had b askets scored on him was due to the midget patty not running under or over the screens, but keeps on running into bertans or another defender stopping them from switching...

[JeffDuncan]

After all this time Bertans still doesn't know where he's supposed to be on the floor. He is fundamentally unsound.

[TheGreatYacht]

He was the worst defender on the court today and it honestly wasn't even close. He's Austin Daye reincarnated, god awful for 8 games and then he'll have 1 explosion game, can't do shit on the other side of the ball though. His rim protecting is getting beyond overrated it's ridiculous.

[JeffDuncan]

Bertans needs to grow a pair of balls but he one of the most talented players we have on offense.

I am unable to provide psychological assistance of the kind you need.

However, thank you for posting that. Perhaps some sucker will believe it, and he can be traded.

[Mr. Body]

Bertans is a very poor man's Andrea Bargnani.

[John B]

Our 1st unit doesn’t have strong help guy to hide Bertans weak defense, and the 2nd unit has noone to collapse the defense to get him open. No Manu to setup and create. Bertans is just in a bad situation.

[venitian navigator]

Bertans lack all three of White, Murray and Walker...that are the ones in our team, other than DDR, supposed to create the miss match on offense penetrating and then passing the ball to the free player for shooting. Bertans is maybe the best shooyer on the team and one of the best in nba, but his offense is essentially as spot up shooter or coming out of screens shooter, with the chance to exploit free space cutting to the basket. All these ways need someone that can create space...and actually, only DDR and maybe Bellinelli can do that, but for the actual necessity of the team they are also the main shooters whenever they are on the game, so all plays are made for let them shoot and not pass. On the contrary, Mills, Forbes, Gay, LMA, Cunningham can't...but the first four play because they are from good (Gay, LMA) to decent (Mills, Forbes) in also creating the shot by themselves...that's a thing Bertans in unable to do.

[skin27]

No way in the hell this Bonner 2.0 get a starting spot..

[r0drig0lac]

You guys are so fucking stupid its ridiculous. Bertans has no idea where to be on the floor? Lol. Watch the game where Patty fucks up every rotation and switch possible and Bertans gets put in a bad spot.

And saying Pondexter is a decent option on the floor is the stupidest statement I have heard in 2018. Do you guys watch him play? He can't even slide his feet he is so old.

Using on/off stats is something people do not use in the NBA. I know you guys want to keep your high and mighty stats there but if you knew anyone that coaches or plays in the NBA, the on/off stat and even BPM is barely used outside of guys like Lowe and others. The key thing to watch on defense is communication and help side defense and subsequent rotations. The most telling thing with this entire thread is not one of you guys have mentioned Bertans communication and how severely lacking it was until recently especially with communicating switches, staggers, and shoots.

Bertans needs to grow a pair of balls but he one of the most talented players we have on offense. His passing is extremely underrated as is his playmaking. He needs to grow some balls on the boards. His iso defense is fine, its just getting boards at this stage.

qft

[TD 21]

Bertans isn't getting many minutes because the team has options at forward. Are there minutes available? Yes, but not so many that he doesn't have to play well to earn them.


I agree about Gay, but between him, Cun small-ball and big-ball, there are players to fill the spots. As guys get back, that'll become even more apparent.

Their three-best players shoot a bunch of twos. They aren't going to shoot many more threes with Bertans in the lineup than not.

If Davis can't rebound, his height is meaningless. Shot-blocking wings don't have the same value as shot-blocking bigs, so if Bertans has to defend outside the paint, he won't be in position to block shots. He's mobile for a big, but not that mobile for a wing. So if the actual debate right now in the thread goes the way of the folks wanting Bertans to be a three and play on the perimeter, then he doesn't offer value, either to an archaic organization or a new-age one.

Can't blame Pop for this. He clearly loves him some stretch-fours. It's outright disingenuous to act like the Spurs are against shooting PFs. Davis has to do PF things to get the minutes though, not just shoot.

No, Bertans isn't getting many minutes because he's on too short a leash. The goal should be to have the highest possible ceiling and he's capable of contributing to that.

Treating every game like it's a playoff game, in terms of minutes, is fine short term, but the mid 3 can't keep up this workload and it's not like White's and Walker's returns are right around the corner.

71.1% of Bertans' career attempts are from 3. Give him a consistent 20 or so mpg for a few weeks and he'll absolutely provide a much needed boost to their 3-point shooting.

His height and it's usefulness isn't tied to his rebounding or lack thereof. His size/skill set is rare enough to conceivably cause some match-up problems. Positionally, he's a 4 if they're playing 3 guards/wings. If he's playing with one of the other 2 forwards, they're just forwards and he'll guard the opposition's lesser of the two.

Pop doesn't love 3-point shooting period. It was Budenholzer who was a major proponent of Bonner playing a relatively big role back in the day.

[Chinook]

No, Bertans isn't getting many minutes because he's on too short a leash. The goal should be to have the highest possible ceiling and he's capable of contributing to that.

Noted, but disagreed. I don't think it makes sense to assume Pop is irrational when there's a legit explanation for Bertans' minutes after two full years with the club.


Treating every game like it's a playoff game, in terms of minutes, is fine short term, but the mid 3 can't keep up this workload and it's not like White's and Walker's returns are right around the corner.

White's actually in his return window now. My guess is he'll still be out another week or so, but if he came back and played tomorrow, it would not be surprising anymore. Walker will enter his return window this weekend. I don't particularly expect him back for like another month, but he could conceivably return within a fortnight without it being a surprise. Five more games. And if they really want help, they can play Pondexter/cut him and use his spot on someone why will play, or they can use their two-way slot to bring in someone who can play. This isn't hard.


71.1% of Bertans' career attempts are from 3. Give him a consistent 20 or so mpg for a few weeks and he'll absolutely provide a much needed boost to their 3-point shooting.

Sure. As soon as he starts playing better, I'm sure he'll start playing better.


His height and it's usefulness isn't tied to his rebounding or lack thereof. His size/skill set is rare enough to conceivably cause some match-up problems. Positionally, he's a 4 if they're playing 3 guards/wings. If he's playing with one of the other 2 forwards, they're just forwards and he'll guard the opposition's lesser of the two.

That's fine until he stops boxing out and lets people abuse him in the paint.


Pop doesn't love 3-point shooting period. It was Budenholzer who was a major proponent of Bonner playing a relatively big role back in the day.

Pop used Bonner in critical series even after Bud left. I'm not going to say you were one of the people chastising Pop for his love of Bonner, but there were many folks here who did. Pop will never be the D'Antoni-like coach you seem to want him to be, but he understands the strategic value of the three, and he and the front office invested heavily into shooting this off-season. Forbes hasn't met a shot he won't take, and everyone else on the team seems to have spent the summer practicing range shooting. Believing Pop did all that while still not wanting players to shoot seems irrational.

[TD 21]

Noted, but disagreed. I don't think it makes sense to assume Pop is irrational when there's a legit explanation for Bertans' minutes after two full years with the club.

The last 2 years are largely irrelevant. With the construction of this year's roster (light on forwards and 3-point shooting), they need him.


White's actually in his return window now. My guess is he'll still be out another week or so, but if he came back and played tomorrow, it would not be surprising anymore. Walker will enter his return window this weekend. I don't particularly expect him back for like another month, but he could conceivably return within a fortnight without it being a surprise. Five more games. And if they really want help, they can play Pondexter/cut him and use his spot on someone why will play, or they can use their two-way slot to bring in someone who can play. This isn't hard.


There's been no news of either being on the verge of returning and knowing the way this organization operates, even if cleared before, they'll likely err towards the high end of the timeline, then be micromanaged for a while after they return.


Sure. As soon as he starts playing better, I'm sure he'll start playing better.


Sometimes, if it's in the best long term interests of the team, the chicken has to come before the egg. The same thing will apply to Walker.


That's fine until he stops boxing out and lets people abuse him in the paint.


Lots of players don't box out and I don't think there's anything he can do about being abused in the paint. He just doesn't have the strength and for some reason it hasn't seemed to be a point of emphasis.


Pop used Bonner in critical series even after Bud left. I'm not going to say you were one of the people chastising Pop for his love of Bonner, but there were many folks here who did. Pop will never be the D'Antoni-like coach you seem to want him to be, but he understands the strategic value of the three, and he and the front office invested heavily into shooting this off-season. Forbes hasn't met a shot he won't take, and everyone else on the team seems to have spent the summer practicing range shooting. Believing Pop did all that while still not wanting players to shoot seems irrational.

He didn't have much choice. They preferred playing 2 bigs, but the freakish collective length and athleticism of the Thunder was strangling the offense and made playing 2 C's together untenable. That meant Bonner had to play spot minutes.

I don't want him to be D'Antoni and Pop doesn't get the value of the 3 or he wouldn't have allowed this organization to slip to the depths it has in that area in recent years. They can add as many specialists as they want, but it has to come from the top players. Allowing Aldridge and before him Parker to consistently space to 20, is inexplicable. So is not demanding Gay take more and DeRozan at least maintain his volume from last season.

[RC_Drunkford]

Lots of players don't box out and I don't think there's anything he can do about being abused in the paint. He just doesn't have the strength and for some reason it hasn't seemed to be a point of emphasis.

Bryn fuckin Forbes boxed out DeAndre Jordan last game. How the fuck can Bertans not do that?

[Mr. Body]

Is Bertans simultaneously the worst Latvian in the league and most expensive?

[RC_Drunkford]

.

[JeffDuncan]

It's clear Bertans can hit a three when he gets a chance, ok. But he does not look right out there.

[TheGreatYacht]

He blows.

[DAF86]

Dude has to share garbage minutes with Pondexter playing PG but Chinook wants to use raw +/- :lol

[Chinook]

Dude has to share garbage minutes with Pondexter playing PG but Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) wants to use raw +/- :lol

On/offs aren't raw plus-minus, but keep showing what you know.

[vander]

lost his guy on D a few times, pretty amateur mistakes.
but what's really aggravating is how Spurs never can break the defense down and start swinging the ball around the 3-point line with the defense scrambling, even against these pathetic suns, never any open shots for Bertans or Forbes

[DAF86]

On/offs aren't raw plus-minus, but keep showing what you know.

Yes, they are. On/off is the accumulated raw +/-.

[Chinook]

Yes, they are. On/off is the accumulated raw +/-.

No, it's not. It's the offensive and defensive ratings, along with other rate stats.

But keep showing what you know.

[DAF86]

No, it's not. It's the offensive and defensive ratings, along with other rate stats.

But keep showing what you know.

On/off is +/- per game, or per 100 possesions. It's a shitty stat without enough sample size.

[Chinook]

On/off is +/- per game, or per 100 possesions.

Nope, it's per100. That's it. We've both been referencing the same stat from the same source. That source is very clear as to what they mean. Before you go on with "But technically, some on/off could be raw plus-minus", you referenced what I said in our earlier argument, which cited the stats per100. Not raw.


It's a shitty stat without enough sample size.

It's not as shitty as Bertans' play has been.

[Hoops Czar]

It's not as shitty as Bertans' play has been.

[TheGreatYacht]

Everytime this scrub starts, you just know it's going to be a tough night and no defense will be played :lol

[DAF86]

Bertans needs to start and play way more. We should be running him off screens all the time. Guy can be a scoring machine

This guy knows.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's garbage.

[anon]

"Glad he (Bertans) was riding the bench all night" -Doug Christie commentating for the Kings

[Hoops Czar]

It's not as shitty as Bertans' play has been.

[DAF86]

"Glad he (Bertans) was riding the bench all night" -Doug Christie commentating for the Kings

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Chinook]

"Glad he (Bertans) was riding the bench all night" -Doug Christie commentating for the Kings

One of the great, objective local commentators in the league. Davis was a disaster on D, but given how terrible Belinoma was on both ends, I think Bert could have at least played the glass-cannon/gunner role tonight. Pop needs to be willing to drop Marco from the rotation when other guys are playing better. They don't have to depth to completely replace him, but he doesn't need to come in for his whole stint every game.

[skookumchuck]

Davis was a disaster on D

He really wasn't. Unless you're willing to call 85% or our roster WORSE than disaster on a nightly basis. Look, by no means should he start ahead of Rudy, but he should be on the court and, more importantly, they have to at least look for him if not run plays.

[DAF86]

These are the types of shots Bertans can make when playing with confidence:

CzBtYutMyLc

This guy should get at least two plays to get him threes coming off screens in every stint he gets in the floor. He has JJ Reedick, Kyle Korver type of shooting. He can go off pretty often. He only needs a coach that trusts him and understands his potential. There's no other player on the roster that can provide what this guy can provide. He just needs the confidence (and play calling) that allows him to finally feel like he fits in the NBA.

Getting him to only stand in a corner waiting for spot up opportunities and yanking him at the first mistake isn't going to work.

[Chinook]

He really wasn't. Unless you're willing to call 85% or our roster WORSE than disaster on a nightly basis. Look, by no means should he start ahead of Rudy, but he should be on the court and, more importantly, they have to at least look for him if not run plays.

This is a classic player-fan antic. My whole post said he should have gotten minutes, but you took the one critical part and isolated it and used it to basically agree with the larger point while still complaining. Bertans hasn't been a good defender this year. No idea why he can't stay upright against any opposition, but it's weird. But when you have another bad defender like Beli who can't even shoot right now, it makes sense to try other guys.

[Chinook]

These are the types of shots Bertans can make when playing with confidence:

CzBtYutMyLc

This guy should get at least two plays to get him threes coming off screens in every stint he gets in the floor. He has JJ Reedick, Kyle Korver type of shooting. He can go off pretty often. He only needs a coach that trusts him and understands his potential. There's no other player on the roster that can provide what this guy can provide. He just needs the confidence (and play calling) that allows him to finally feel like he fits in the NBA.

Getting him to only stand in a corner waiting for spot up opportunities and yanking him at the first mistake isn't going to work.

Is this a repost?

[phxspurfan]

I think Bertans got elbowed and cried on the ground during the game today...check 9:00 in the 1st quarter :lol

[DAF86]

Is this a repost?

Probably. I have lost count of how many times I have bitched about Pop refusing to do what is so clearly the obvious thing to do (play Splitter, play Murray, play White, this).

[skookumchuck]

This is a classic player-fan antic. My whole post said he should have gotten minutes, but you took the one critical part and isolated it and used it to basically agree with the larger point while still complaining. Bertans hasn't been a good defender this year.

Then you misunderstood me. Not as much a player fan as one would think, either. The way your sentence about defense was constructed, made it look like you implied the Kings game. While overall for the season Davis hasn't been good, it's safe to say that he's much less the culprit on the defensive end some people here want to make him out to be.
I think you are a solid poster with often good insight. No need to call people names, like player-fan.

[Hoops Czar]

Probably. I have lost count of how many times I have bitched about Pop refusing to do what is so clearly the obvious thing to do (play Splitter, play Murray, play White, this).
Where do you expect to hid Bertans on defense? I mean, he's only a +/- -11.4 on the season.

[DAF86]

Having guys that can go off hitting threes out of screens is such a game changer in today's NBA. That's why the Warriors with Curry and Thompson broke the NBA. That's why guys like JJ Reddick and even TOSB Korver are so important. We have a guy like that in Bertans, yet we barely call catch and shoot opportunities coming off screens for him. Instead we prefer to waste 18 seconds trying to post somebody up to end up shooting long fadeaway twos.

[DAF86]

Where do you expect to hid Bertans on defense? I mean, he's only a +/- -11.4 on the season.

Probably the same place where we hide guys like Bellinelli, Mills and Forbes. Those guys are playing a combined 80 minutes per game. :lmao

[skookumchuck]

Probably the same place where we hide guys like Bellinelli, Mills and Forbes. Those guys are playing a combined 80 minutes per game. :lmao

Woah, I'm surprised Bertans is only a +/- -1.4 for the season, what with having to share the floor with Beli and Mills so often..

[Chinook]

Then you misunderstood me. Not as much a player fan as one would think, either. The way your sentence about defense was constructed, made it look like you implied the Kings game. While overall for the season Davis hasn't been good, it's safe to say that he's much less the culprit on the defensive end some people here want to make him out to be.
I think you are a solid poster with often good insight. No need to call people names, like player-fan.

I'm glad that you aren't trying to be a player-fan. I think a lot of us are biased toward certain guys (:cry Danny, why'd you have to go :cry). But I've grown to really detest having my quotes taken out of context as part of a straw man. That's happened a bunch in recent years, and it's almost always because I give a "good-and-bad" critique of a player, and a player-fan isolates the bad part to push an agenda. I apologize if you didn't mean to do that for that reason.

Bertans definitely isn't "the problem" on defense. The problem is that they have no real positive defenders, so they have to play near their absolute ceiling to make ends meet on that side of the court. Davis doesn't play enough to explain why the D is so poor. He is often a target for the other team on D though (yes, because racism), and he's been doing a horrible job at stopping guys. He's been moving his feet well when he's in a recovery position, but he's either flopping or just plain getting knocked down. I don't know if someone called the league office on him, leading to refs never giving him the benefit of the doubt, but it's odd and really concerning.

I understand, though, why Pop doesn't have him get guaranteed minutes when you factor in the D, lack of rebounding and foolish mistakes like that decision to try the bounce-pass to Poeltl. With a decent roster to work with, I could see Bertans just having like 8-12 minutes a game at the end of quarters to shoot and get some plays run for him. But with Beli as bad as he has been, you have to think about giving Davis more minutes. Marco isn't any better on D, and his O is worse.

[DAF86]

Woah, I'm surprised Bertans is only a +/- -1.4 for the season, what with having to share the floor with Beli and Mills so often..

Not only that. He played entire quarters of garbage time in lineups that had Pondexter as the point guard and Cunningham as the shooting guard. :lol

[skookumchuck]

But with Beli as bad as he has been, you have to think about giving Davis more minutes. Marco isn't any better on D, and his O is worse.

Used to be excited about Marco when he just entered the league. But he hasn't grown as a player, not one bit. So many bone-headed plays from just one guy.

[Hoops Czar]

Woah, I'm surprised Bertans is only a +/- -1.4 for the season, what with having to share the floor with Beli and Mills so often..

-11.4. Yes, I would have been surprised if it were only -1.4 too.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm glad that you aren't trying to be a player-fan. I think a lot of us are biased toward certain guys (:cry Danny, why'd you have to go :cry). But I've grown to really detest having my quotes taken out of context as part of a straw man. That's happened a bunch in recent years, and it's almost always because I give a "good-and-bad" critique of a player, and a player-fan isolates the bad part to push an agenda. I apologize if you didn't mean to do that for that reason.

Bertans definitely isn't "the problem" on defense. The problem is that they have no real positive defenders, so they have to play near their absolute ceiling to make ends meet on that side of the court. Davis doesn't play enough to explain why the D is so poor. He is often a target for the other team on D though (yes, because racism), and he's been doing a horrible job at stopping guys. He's been moving his feet well when he's in a recovery position, but he's either flopping or just plain getting knocked down. I don't know if someone called the league office on him, leading to refs never giving him the benefit of the doubt, but it's odd and really concerning.

I understand, though, why Pop doesn't have him get guaranteed minutes when you factor in the D, lack of rebounding and foolish mistakes like that decision to try the bounce-pass to Poeltl. With a decent roster to work with, I could see Bertans just having like 8-12 minutes a game at the end of quarters to shoot and get some plays run for him. But with Beli as bad as he has been, you have to think about giving Davis more minutes. Marco isn't any better on D, and his O is worse.

Remember when posters felt that signing Belinelli meant goodbye to Forbes? Those were some good times.

[Chinook]

Used to be excited about Marco when he just entered the league. But he hasn't grown as a player, not one bit. So many bone-headed plays from just one guy.

He has a very inconsistent level of play because of how weird his shot is. If he were more consistent, he'd be fine. He's barely getting paid anything by today's standards. Pop just can't afford to give a slumping Marco minutes like Beli's some core guy. He's not.

[Chinook]

Remember when posters felt that signing Belinelli meant goodbye to Forbes? Those were some good times.

Pretty sure I wasn't even including Bryn in any off-season simulations until after he signed. He's been fine for the money, and with the injuries, I'm glad the team has him, but yeah, it's like PATFO completely expected someone to offer Bryn more money, and they didn't.

[TheGreatYacht]

-11.4. Yes, I would have been surprised if it were only -1.4 too.
:lmao

[skookumchuck]

-11.4. Yes, I would have been surprised if it were only -1.4 too.

I think you mean on/off, not +/-.

[DAF86]

At this point, just trade him Pop. For real. You would be doing everybody a fucking favour.

[skookumchuck]

At this point, just trade him Pop. For real. You would be doing everybody a fucking favour.
At least to Bertans.

[DAF86]

I would like to know if Cunningham ever did something like this on his 14 years career.

DhvPA4ySc_Q

[Chinook]

Cun's been fine tonight. Why Pop ran four guards instead of playing Bertans is a different story.

[DAF86]

Bertans shooting 49% from the field, 49% from three with a efg% of 68%.

Meanwhile Marco "our big signing of the summer" Bellinelli is shooting 38% from the field, 32% from three, with a efg% of 46%.

But no worries, I'm sure all the minutes Bellinelli is getting over Bertans are because of his vastly superior defense. I mean, Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just plays the guys that deserve to play.

[Hoops Czar]

Bertans shooting 49% from the field, 49% from three with a efg% of 68%.

Meanwhile Marco "our big signing of the summer" Bellinelli is shooting 38% from the field, 32% from three, with a efg% of 46%.

But no worries, I'm sure all the minutes Bellinelli is getting over Bertans are because of his vastly superior defense. I mean, Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just plays the guys that deserve to play.

Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just doesn't have Tim Duncan to save his ass.

[Chinook]

Bertans shooting 49% from the field, 49% from three with a efg% of 68%.

Meanwhile Marco "our big signing of the summer" Bellinelli is shooting 38% from the field, 32% from three, with a efg% of 46%.

But no worries, I'm sure all the minutes Bellinelli is getting over Bertans are because of his vastly superior defense. I mean, Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just plays the guys that deserve to play.

Though Bert played okay. He wasn't that great and go pushed over multiple times on D yet again, but I appreciated that he showed more grit tonight. I do find it hard to defend Pop playing four guards or three guards and Pon over playing Bertans for stretches.

[JeffDuncan]

Pop doesn't want to wear Bertans out. Must be it.

[skookumchuck]

Pop doesn't want to wear Bertans out. Must be it.

Got to keep him fresh for the inevitable Finals run.

[SAGirl]

2 weeks ago:

Is Davis trade ballast at this point?

[objective]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bertans getting shorted on minutes is punishment for refusing the 4/20 deal and hardballing them into 2/14. Not saying that's it but I wouldn't be shocked.

[JeffDuncan]

Got to keep him fresh for the inevitable Finals run.

You bet. Gotta have him sharp in the playoffs.

[skookumchuck]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bertans getting shorted on minutes is punishment for refusing the 4/20 deal and hardballing them into 2/14. Not saying that's it but I wouldn't be shocked.

Yes, makes sense what with all the punishment Patts and Pooh are getting for their deals.

[objective]

Yes, makes sense what with all the punishment Patts and Pooh are getting for their deals.

There wasn't hardball with Patty. Spurs went berzerk trying to please him, terrified of letting other teams court him with superstar meetings. 12:01 four year deals are given happily.

[Mugen]

I mean why bring him back if you're just gonna roll with fucking Dante Cunningham and QPon. Like seriously, just save the money.

[r0drig0lac]

Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just doesn't have Tim Duncan to save his ass.

[DAF86]

My bad sons. I forgot we had the centerpiece 2.0. How could I have expected Bertans to play over such an important player? I totally understand this guy not getting any playing time. There's just too much talent on this roster.

[ElNono]

Stop bumping this thread. Was a terrible take then, it’s a terrible take now.

[DAF86]

Stop bumping this thread. Was a terrible take then, it’s a terrible take now.

Didn't you see what I'm saying?


My bad sons. I forgot we had the centerpiece 2.0. How could I have expected Bertans to play over such an important player? I totally understand this guy not getting any playing time. There's just too much talent on this roster.

I understand, tbh. The centerpiece 2.0. No way a 6'10" guy making half of his threes can ever compete with that. I mean, what we are doing is so clearly working out that I don't see any reason to change it.





Fucking dumbass.

[HarlemHeat37]

Didn't you see what I'm saying?



I understand, tbh. The centerpiece 2.0. No way a 6'10" guy making half of his threes can ever compete with that. I mean, what we are doing is so clearly working out that I don't see any reason to change it.





Fucking dumbass.

Civil war:wow

[duncan2k5]

Start Bertans at SF... It's worth the experiment... Enough of this midget shit

[TimmyBuckets]

Start Bertans at SF... It's worth the experiment... Enough of this midget shit

He's too slow at SF. Cunningham is a better defender. Still, they need play B3rtans a lot more than this. He's decreased his defensive lapses, and we need fire power. Especially now that Gay is gonna sit out a lot.

[DAF86]

Worse thing is I'm not even as high on Bertans as I used to be, but if you trully believe this guy can't get playing time over guys like Cunningham or Bellinelli you should really off yourself as a basketball watcher. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Bertans is severely flawed and shouldn't be anything more than a late rotation guy, but how can you keep playing Cunningham? He's barely an NBA player, just isn't worth it..

I understanding wanting the feel of a conventional NBA starting unit by using a "defender" and a more traditional 3, but Cunningham doesn't actually provide anything..

Bertans is an embarrassment as a rebounder and defender, but he's shooting 47% from 3..at least he possesses an NBA skill..

[ElNono]

Didn't you see what I'm saying?

I understand, tbh. The centerpiece 2.0. No way a 6'10" guy making half of his threes can ever compete with that. I mean, what we are doing is so clearly working out that I don't see any reason to change it.

Fucking dumbass.

You my niglet, but Bertans is just another middle of the road player... not starting material. I know the argument you're making now with this shit roster, but the original argument on this thread was flawed to being with, IMO.

[DAF86]

You my niglet, but Bertans is just another middle of the road player... not starting material. I know the argument you're making now with this shit roster, but the original argument on this thread was flawed to being with, IMO.

You my niglet too son. I'm just drunk right now. :lol

[DJR210]

Having guys that can go off hitting threes out of screens is such a game changer in today's NBA. That's why the Warriors with Curry and Thompson broke the NBA. That's why guys like JJ Reddick and even TOSB Korver are so important. We have a guy like that in Bertans, yet we barely call catch and shoot opportunities coming off screens for him. Instead we prefer to waste 18 seconds trying to post somebody up to end up shooting long fadeaway twos.

For as many floating to the side bombs that Pop tolerates from Belinelli you would think he would at least run a few plays for Bertans to shoot off some screens

[cd021]

He's too slow at SF. Cunningham is a better defender. Still, they need play B3rtans a lot more than this. He's decreased his defensive lapses, and we need fire power. Especially now that Gay is gonna sit out a lot.

Starting Cunningham and having Gay come off the bench makes Bertans the odd forward out in terms of minutes, unfortunately.

[DAF86]

He's too slow at SF. Cunningham is a better defender. Still, they need play B3rtans a lot more than this. He's decreased his defensive lapses, and we need fire power. Especially now that Gay is gonna sit out a lot.

Slower than Bellinelli?

[Chinook]

Civil war:wow


You my niglet, but Bertans is just another middle of the road player... not starting material. I know the argument you're making now with this shit roster, but the original argument on this thread was flawed to being with, IMO.


You my niglet too son. I'm just drunk right now. :lol

That was the shortest conflict Argentina's seen since the Falklands War.

[DAF86]

Dude can't finish games even in a night like this. Good thing we had Cunningham in there for all those defensive stops he got on Giannis.

[BackHome]

Was very high on Bertans but that ship has sailed still think he is an NBA player who could do well with the right team. Right now I want Pop to put him in situations were he can do well show case him and then trade him to move up in the draft or draft picks.

[DAF86]

So let me get this straight, this guy comes off his best game of the season and he doesn't see the floor untill the 2nd quarter and plays only 12 minutes untill 6 minutes remaining in the game where Pop, afraid of losing against the shittiest team in the league, throws him out there to save him.

And yeah, I know he couldn't hit shit tonight, he still finished with the highest +/- in the team by far with +15 in only 18 minutes. That's the impact that shooters like Bertans have in the game, even when they're not hitting. If he gets the 25/30 minutes that he should be getting this is a way more comfortable win.

And even if you don't agree with anything I said on the previous paragraph, you still have to agree that Bertans not seeing the floor untill the 2nd quarter after the 1st quarter he had vs Milwaukee is inexplicable and a disrespect that, at this point, borderlines bullying from Pop to Bertans.

[SpursDynasty85]

So let me get this straight, this guy comes off his best game of the season and he doesn't see the floor untill the 2nd quarter and plays only 12 minutes untill 6 minutes remaining in the game where Pop, afraid of losing against the shittiest team in the league, throws him out there to save him.

And yeah, I know he couldn't hit shit tonight, he still finished with the highest +/- in the team by far with +15 in only 18 minutes. That's the impact that shooters like Bertans have in the game, even when they're not hitting. If he gets the 25/30 minutes that he should be getting this is a way more comfortable win.

And even if you don't agree with anything I said on the previous paragraph, you still have to agree that Bertans not seeing the floor untill the 2nd quarter after the 1st quarter he had vs Milwaukee is inexplicable and a disrespect that borderlines bullying from Pop to Bertans.

Lol. I completely disagree and think he deserved to get benched today. What has Bertans done all season with his minutes but get bullied on defense and bullied on boxouts? Today he was just a little out of sync with the gaurds. He spread the floor well and played ok but the gaurds were holding down the offense so it was better to play more Jakob. Cunningham, and etc.. over Bertans. He does need to keep seeing time but he is no where near a 30 mpg guy.

[DAF86]

Lol. I completely disagree and think he deserved to get benched today. What has Bertans done all season with his minutes but get bullied on defense and bullied on boxouts? Today he was just a little out of sync with the gaurds. He spread the floor well and played ok but the gaurds were holding down the offense so it was better to play more Jakob. Cunningham, and etc.. over Bertans. He does need to keep seeing time but he is no where near a 30 mpg guy.

So you also think it was OK for Bertans to not play in the 1st quarter after he had 11 pts in the 1st quarter of the previous game?

[spurraider21]

i don't understand why they re-signed him at the price they did if they aren't going to play him. if he's knocking in more than 45% of his threes, there isn't really a good reason to give marco SF minutes over bertans

[Mr. Body]

Fucking terrible.

[SpursDynasty85]

So you also think it was OK for Bertans to not play in the 1st quarter after he had 11 pts in the 1st quarter of the previous game?

He had one good game. You are complaining about 1 qtr? Like I said, all season he has been getting killed defensively and out rebounded badly. He got his shot in the 2nd. Ultimately it's all about lineups. If he starts that means Cunningham has to start anyway. Cunningham only one with the mobility and physicality to compliment our weak defenders. Bertans has to outplay Rudy. Rudy is starting to fade so Bertans might get his shot sooner rather than later but he has to perform too because Rudy is a great rebounder and 1 on 1 player.

[DAF86]

He had one good game. You are complaining about 1 qtr? Like I said, all season he has been getting killed defensively and out rebounded badly. He got his shot in the 2nd. Ultimately it's all about lineups. If he starts that means Cunningham has to start anyway. Cunningham only one with the mobility and physicality to compliment our weak defenders. Bertans has to outplay Rudy. Rudy is starting to fade so Bertans might get his shot sooner rather than later but he has to perform too because Rudy is a great rebounder and 1 on 1 player.

You are missing the point. Everytime Bertans seems to make a move forwards in terms of building his confidence, Pop does something to bring it right back down.

You don't understand psychology if you don't think that the guy, after seeing the minutes go by, is not thinking: "what the fuck? Why I'm not in yet? The quarter is about to finish. Am I in the doghouse again?" All that shit fucks with your psyche and it translates to your game.

[JeffDuncan]

Bertans was on the concussion protocol. Even after he's cleared it's still a good idea to be careful. Also, it appeared he got hit in the face in the game tonight.

[SpursDynasty85]

You are missing the point. Everytime Bertans seems to make a move forwards in terms of building his confidence, Pop does something to bring it right back down.

You don't understand psychology if you don't think that the guy, after seeing the minutes go by, is not thinking: "what the fuck? Why I'm not in yet? The quarter is about to finish. Am I in the doghouse again?" All that shit fucks with your psyche and it translates to your game.

I know what you mean but Bertans is a vet now. His ceiling is not as high as you may think. His skill set is limited although what he does have he does do well. I am more worried about White but today was a step in the right direction for him. I felt Bertans and White clashing a bit, not quite on the same page, it is more essential for White to get playing time at this point. Bertans confidence is fine tbh. It's just whether it makes sense to play him.

[DAF86]

I know what you mean but Bertans is a vet now. His ceiling is not as high as you may think. His skill set is limited although what he does have he does do well. I am more worried about White but today was a step in the right direction for him. I felt Bertans and White clashing a bit, not quite on the same page, it is more essential for White to get playing time at this point. Bertans confidence is fine tbh. It's just whether it makes sense to play him.

How's Bertans a vet? He hasn't had a single season with an established role yet.

[SpursDynasty85]

How's Bertans a vet? He hasn't had a single season with an established role yet.

He had plenty of time to showcase his skills but had a shaky trigger past 2 years. He is slowly getting better but he is not on verge of a breakthrough. He had one good game but needs to have a certain pace and lineup for him to be effective. White on the other hand I feel is about to have his breakthrough like Forbes did.

[SAGirl]

So let me get this straight, this guy comes off his best game of the season and he doesn't see the floor untill the 2nd quarter and plays only 12 minutes untill 6 minutes remaining in the game where Pop, afraid of losing against the shittiest team in the league, throws him out there to save him.

And yeah, I know he couldn't hit shit tonight, he still finished with the highest +/- in the team by far with +15 in only 18 minutes. That's the impact that shooters like Bertans have in the game, even when they're not hitting. If he gets the 25/30 minutes that he should be getting this is a way more comfortable win.

And even if you don't agree with anything I said on the previous paragraph, you still have to agree that Bertans not seeing the floor untill the 2nd quarter after the 1st quarter he had vs Milwaukee is inexplicable and a disrespect that, at this point, borderlines bullying from Pop to Bertans.
I don’t know overall so I’ll pass on commenting on your general point, but don’t you get the feeling that Pop isn’t going to just cut minutes to Marco and other pets and that he simply found more minutes fir White in this game cutting minutes for Davis? Frankly I don’t know the answer. There’s guys that could certainly see less minutes but still get played.

[RC_Drunkford]

You are missing the point. Everytime Bertans seems to make a move forwards in terms of building his confidence, Pop does something to bring it right back down.

You don't understand psychology if you don't think that the guy, after seeing the minutes go by, is not thinking: "what the fuck? Why I'm not in yet? The quarter is about to finish. Am I in the doghouse again?" All that shit fucks with your psyche and it translates to your game.


That's classic Pop. Just look at Kyle Anderson or Dewayne Dedmon. Anderson has a solid midrange, but was only allowed to shoot open corner 3s. Dedmon made every bail out midrange jumper he shot that season and started hitting 3s at the same rate as Pau Gasol did once he left. You can already see the same with Derrick White. He's scared to mess up and is not allowed to shoot from midrange. Every time he has a midrange shot he passes the ball back out. This is Pop telling them they are not allowed to shoot, because it's not their role. I know it's idiotic, but I been used to seeing it

[UncleDennis]

That's classic Pop. Just look at Kyle Anderson or Dewayne Dedmon. Anderson has a solid midrange, but was only allowed to shoot open corner 3s. Dedmon made every bail out midrange jumper he shot that season and started hitting 3s at the same rate as Pau Gasol did once he left. You can already see the same with Derrick White. He's scared to mess up and is not allowed to shoot from midrange. Every time he has a midrange shot he passes the ball back out. This is Pop telling them they are not allowed to shoot, because it's not their role. I know it's idiotic, but I been used to seeing it

In the past with the big three and Kawhi etc Pop could get away with all this overly mental shit because they had the talent to still win regardless but now all those quick pulls and you fucked up so you're in the doghouse stuff is kinda pointless since the team still doesn't seem to have an identity and building chemistry is going to include all the mistakes and missteps in hopefully a natural progression, for now it's just part of the growing pains of whatever this group will become but with the margin for victory so slim I just don't see the point in messing with players minds, they shouldn't be feeling like if they make one mistake it's over or second and third guessing themselves every time they touch the ball.

[ceperez]

That's classic Pop. Just look at Kyle Anderson or Dewayne Dedmon. Anderson has a solid midrange, but was only allowed to shoot open corner 3s. Dedmon made every bail out midrange jumper he shot that season and started hitting 3s at the same rate as Pau Gasol did once he left. You can already see the same with Derrick White. He's scared to mess up and is not allowed to shoot from midrange. Every time he has a midrange shot he passes the ball back out. This is Pop telling them they are not allowed to shoot, because it's not their role. I know it's idiotic, but I been used to seeing it

Kyle Anderson average 7.9 ppg at 52% with the Spurs last season. Under a different coach and team, he's averaging 5.9% at 45%. Stats say, KA took more efficient shots with the Spurs.

Bertans is shooting .43 from 3 this season, 3.5 attempts per game. Actually not bad. He should chuck it more!

[DAF86]

Kyle Anderson average 7.9 ppg at 52% with the Spurs last season. Under a different coach and team, he's averaging 5.9% at 45%. Stats say, KA took more efficient shots with the Spurs.

Bertans is shooting .43 from 3 this season, 3.5 attempts per game. Actually not bad. He should chuck it more!

First, he needs the playing time to chuck more, tbh.

[SAGirl]

Kyle Anderson average 7.9 ppg at 52% with the Spurs last season. Under a different coach and team, he's averaging 5.9% at 45%. Stats say, KA took more efficient shots with the Spurs.

Bertans is shooting .43 from 3 this season, 3.5 attempts per game. Actually not bad. He should chuck it more!
The stats on Kyle don’t tell the whole story. He injured an ankle in preseason missed some practices and preseason games started off the bench and now plays with a different group. He has been better as of late, but early in the season was just missing shots he normally made. His ankle and conditioning wasn’t right and his chemistry with teammates wasn’t there either. He’s playing pretty much the same as he did in the Spurs lately I would say.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Most players get stronger and bulk a bit after joining the league but Bertans still looks the same. I understand his body type is hard to put on weight but the guy is weak as shit. Him being so weak is what hurts him the most in this league. If he was a tad bit stronger in his upper body he would be a way better player.

[BackHome]

I agree he has hardly added any muscle maybe they scarred it will impact his shooting or worry added weight could impact his knees. Still like him as a NBA player but think we could trade him to Boston for one if there 4 first round draft picks.

[r0drig0lac]

Most players get stronger and bulk a bit after joining the league but Bertans still looks the same. I understand his body type is hard to put on weight but the guy is weak as shit. Him being so weak is what hurts him the most in this league. If he was a tad bit stronger in his upper body he would be a way better player.

really is weird, even Ingram looks visibly stronger than when he got into the league

[JeffDuncan]

really is weird, even Ingram looks visibly stronger than when he got into the league

Has to do with age. Brandon Ingram is 21. For a lot of men that age is still within the last stage of the transition to maturity.

But Bertans is 26. As far as having his grownup bulk, he's there. He's a skinny guy.

[DAF86]

Sup sons?

Now, I would like to see Pop showing even more confidence on him and have him finish games.

lol Bertans still seeing garbage minutes over Forbes. Only in Pop's World Bryn is more important than Davis.

[phxspurfan]

didn't watch the game (bc why) but saw in the box score that Bert finally got the start, shifting DeMar to SG (so maybe the guards have a chance of not allowing the opposing backcourt drop 40-60 a game), and Bert can space the floor for mah touches. Good call, Pop. Also White didn't make a complete ass of his believers this game

[DAF86]

didn't watch the game (bc why) but saw in the box score that Bert finally got the start, shifting DeMar to SG (so maybe the guards have a chance of not allowing the opposing backcourt drop 40-60 a game), and Bert can space the floor for mah touches. Good call, Pop. Also White didn't make a complete ass of his believers this game

A good call would have been making this move when he should have made it, and that was at the start of the season.

[SAGirl]

Sup sons?

Now, I would like to see Pop showing even more confidence on him and have him finish games.

lol Bertans still seeing garbage minutes over Forbes. Only in Pop's World Bryn is more important than Davis.

His love for midget SG is unparalleled. I think he can find a soft spot for Davis eventually. But one has to note Davis is 6'10", played 27 minutes and didn't record a single rebound or anything else than a block and a TO. He shot well though and as Pop said, you have to guard him.

[BackHome]

That’s why I want us to tank to get a two way SF who can create his own offense and play good defense. Also get
a SF/PF who can guard both positions and be a threat at both ends will be what I am looking for in our second pick.

This summer RC or Pop is going to have to be the Grinch and let someome
go. To many SG on the team ie, DEROZZ, White, Mills, Forbes, and Walker one of those has to be let go to add more length SF/PF.

[cd021]

Starting Bertans should help up the Spurs number of attempts. Depending on the number of minutes, he should be taking at least 5 per game.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

A strong base is what gets you rebounds and allows you to hold your ground in the paint. Tim wasn't ripped up top, but he had super strong legs and a strong core. Bertans could be shaped like a bowling pin (or like a tube of toothpaste) for all I care, but the boy needs to mix in some squats....ok, lots of squats. Put him on the old power lifter workout...squats, deadlift and bench. A year of that and we'd see him get more boards and play a little stronger in the paint. I used to love playing against tall guys with no base to speak of. Easy pickin's inside that paint. So I'm sure NBA players salivate when they see that Bertans is waiting for them to back him down to the basket. At least if he could jump out of the gym he'd have that going for him to make up for some of that lack of bulk...but nope.

[r0drig0lac]

That’s why I want us to tank to get a two way SF who can create his own offense and play good defense. Also get
a SF/PF who can guard both positions and be a threat at both ends will be what I am looking for in our second pick.

This summer RC or Pop is going to have to be the Grinch and let someome
go. To many SG on the team ie, DEROZZ, White, Mills, Forbes, and Walker one of those has to be let go to add more length SF/PF.

I thought about winslow and jj, but your contracts are long

[Play Boban]

A strong base is what gets you rebounds and allows you to hold your ground in the paint. Tim wasn't ripped up top, but he had super strong legs and a strong core. Bertans could be shaped like a bowling pin (or like a tube of toothpaste) for all I care, but the boy needs to mix in some squats....ok, lots of squats. Put him on the old power lifter workout...squats, deadlift and bench. A year of that and we'd see him get more boards and play a little stronger in the paint. I used to love playing against tall guys with no base to speak of. Easy pickin's inside that paint. So I'm sure NBA players salivate when they see that Bertans is waiting for them to back him down to the basket. At least if he could jump out of the gym he'd have that going for him to make up for some of that lack of bulk...but nope.
Don’t push steroids

[venitian navigator]

Imho Bertans simply can't play as a big man in this league except in some special situation (when opposing teams play small ball with a similar player). All things considered he has a body made in the Murray way...skinny but he can jump high. That's way I think he's a lot more efficient if he plays defense on the perimeter. In that case, aside the fact that he should bother a bit opposing offense with his lenght (he can face a bit smaller opponents 'cause he moves well his feet; his lenght can limit the court wiew and he can also play help blocking shots also if he has short arms) he should also be more effective rebounding (long rebounds).

[DAF86]

Can we make this move once and for fucking all?

This dude is one of the few guys on the league that has elite difference making shooting, alongside guys like Korver, Redick, Thompson and Curry (these last two on a different stratosphere, of course). And, on top of that, he's one of the best offensive players on the roster AND one of the best defensive players on the roster too. He's a better defender than our suppossed defensive stopper. :lol

There's just no reason at all to not have this guy starting and playing 30 minutes per game.

[itzsoweezee]

What is it going to take for Popovich to finally ditch Cunninghan? Any moron can see Bertans is a huge upgrade.

[playbonner15]

Can we make this move once and for fucking all?

He's a better defender than our suppossed defensive stopper. :lol
.

Who is this team's defensive stopper? Cunningham?

[Play Boban]

Cut Cunningham

[DAF86]

Who is this team's defensive stopper? Cunningham?

According to Pop, yes.

[playbonner15]

According to Pop, yes.
this season sucks :lol

[r0drig0lac]

the guy is one of the best 3pts shooters in the world, but I like him even more defending in the perimeter, where his size can disrupt any player

[skookumchuck]

25mpg would be optimal for him, given the durability concern. No doubt, that if incorporated in the offense like this game - that's more than enough time for him to help us win. And, he's usually decent(even when not - still top4 on the team) on the other end, anyway.

[RC_Drunkford]

people forget that he actually defended Zach Randolph quite well in the 2017 Playoffs. The usual problem with him was the lack of rebounding/banging down low due to his not so strong body and him getting blown by on the perimeter. He seems to have improved both things and the Spurs playing a hybrid zone helps, since that makes it tougher for opposing players to drive to the basket. He's also very long which is especially helpful on help defense. He should definitely start. His release is fast and he has wide range, fits perfectly in our offense. Bertans is also one of the few players who looks good paired with the starters and the bench. And he's pretty consistent from 3, not super streaky.

It's his 3rd NBA year which is usually the year where rookies break out. He still has upside

[pad300]

people forget that he actually defended Zach Randolph quite well in the 2017 Playoffs. The usual problem with him was the lack of rebounding/banging down low due to his not so strong body and him getting blown by on the perimeter. He seems to have improved both things and the Spurs playing a hybrid zone helps, since that makes it tougher for opposing players to drive to the basket. He's also very long which is especially helpful on help defense. He should definitely start. His release is fast and he has wide range, fits perfectly in our offense. Bertans is also one of the few players who looks good paired with the starters and the bench. And he's pretty consistent from 3, not super streaky.

It's his 3rd NBA year which is usually the year where rookies break out. He still has upside

Are you on drugs?

He's 6'10.5" tall and has a 6'10.25" wingspan

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Measurements-3661/

[Mr. Body]

Are you on drugs?

He's 6'10.5" tall and has a 6'10.25" wingspan

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Measurements-3661/

In what universe is having a nearly seven foot wingspan not long?

[RC_Drunkford]

Are you on drugs?

He's 6'10.5" tall and has a 6'10.25" wingspan

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Measurements-3661/

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

do you want to play Boban at SF?

[pad300]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

do you want to play Boban at SF?

You are posting high aren't you! I've never posted for Boban at SF. I've said I'd happily take him back at the right price - with the intention of playing his as 4th big man...

[RC_Drunkford]

You are posting high aren't you! I've never posted for Boban at SF. I've said I'd happily take him back at the right price - with the intention of playing his as 4th big man...

which high are you referring to? Cause obviously 6'10" ain't high enough for you

[pad300]

In what universe is having a nearly seven foot wingspan not long?
The universe of NBA players:
Long usually implies a wingspan >> height... The average wingspan of NBA players is 4" greater than their height! ( https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-most-impressive-wingspans-in-nba-history/ ) He has a below average wingspan for a SF (the average SF having a 6'11.1" wingspan, http://analyticsgame.com/nba/average-nba-position-draft-measurements.html ).
Romain Sato, a 6'3" PG/SG who we drafted, had a 6'11" wingspan...

[pad300]

In what universe is having a nearly seven foot wingspan not long?
The universe of NBA players:
Long usually implies a wingspan >> height... The average wingspan of NBA players is 4" greater than their height! ( https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-most-impressive-wingspans-in-nba-history/ ) He has a below average wingspan for a SF (the average SF having a 6'11.1" wingspan, http://analyticsgame.com/nba/average-nba-position-draft-measurements.html ).
Romain Sato, a 6'3" PG/SG who we drafted, had a 6'11" wingspan...

[BackHome]

Bertans is finally playing with confidence his hep defense has vastly improved and he is starting to stroke the 3
ball. He kinda reminds me of a tall skinny Curry great shooter but not a great defemder and a little injury prone. I still think he can do a lot more he has the handles to take it to the rim just needs to start trying.

I do agree he is a better permiter defensive player and I would not be putting him up against PF at all even with his height he is kinda a SF/PF. In the future I think Ben Moore could be his opposite as defensive player who gets rebound not sure they can player together but that is a good one two punch.

[ace3g]

One of our best lineups consist of: Bertans, DeRozan, Gay, and Jakob

[Mr. Body]

Lol and being on top of 6 foot 11

Who cares how tall he is? Length isn't about height/armspan ratio. That's just stupid.

[Mr. Body]

The universe of NBA players:
Long usually implies a wingspan >> height... The average wingspan of NBA players is 4" greater than their height! ( https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-most-impressive-wingspans-in-nba-history/ ) He has a below average wingspan for a SF (the average SF having a 6'11.1" wingspan, http://analyticsgame.com/nba/average-nba-position-draft-measurements.html ).
Romain Sato, a 6'3" PG/SG who we drafted, had a 6'11" wingspan...

No, that's your terms. Long means long. That's it. Yes, 'long' is sometimes meant in relative terms, but not always. Would you take Bertans' arms and prefer him to be six inches shorter? No.

[ace3g]

Congrats again Davis

BrdP2Orh5y5

[DAF86]

I always wonder if that half missed finger fucks with his basketball skills in any way. If he could be a better rebounder with 10 full fingers. Or if he could be even a better shooter. It has to matter in some way, tbh. :lol

[Chinook]

Who cares how tall he is? Length isn't about height/armspan ratio. That's just stupid.

I don't really agree. I don't think all wingspans are created equal. There's a huge difference between a big with a 6-10 wingpsan and a guard with the same. That could come down to the guys they're defending (6-10 will bother an opposing PG way more than it would bother an opposing center), or it could be a mobility thing. Bertans, Murray and Bonner all have 6-10 wingspans, but I would comfortably say that DJM has more length, with Bertans second and Bonner third. What Davis has over Matt is that he is way rangier than Bonner ever was and he's more inclined to use what length he has to block shots or go after steals. Davis' athleticism makes him a harder person to score on, at least when he does a good job of holding his ground. But it's perfectly fair to say he has below-average length for his height or position.

[rogcl1]

He is one of the most upright and weak individuals on the court. He needs to hit the weight room and also have weights tied to his ass to get him to drop his butt and bend his knees to get a good stance for movement and for fighting for position. He needs to get playing time and attack the basket as he does occasionally, not just be a spot up shooter.

[SAGirl]

Congrats again Davis

BrdP2Orh5y5
Indeed.
That was probably the personal matter that caused him to miss a game.
Congratulations indeed.
:toast

[Seventyniner]

Romain Sato

Now there is a blast from the past.

[skookumchuck]

The dude is putting up 50/47.5/91.7 after Orlando game. 3rd in 3pt%.

[DAF86]

The dude is putting up 50/47.5/91.7 after Orlando game. 3rd in 3pt%.

Fucking beast. :worthy:

[DAF86]

This dude is so underutilized it's comical.

Pop should have an entire Playbook designed to get Bertans open looks. The rest of the team would only benefit from it.

[TD 21]

I realize he didn't start, but his playing at the very least a constant role, is the rare thing we agreed on.

Next game is a good litmus test as to whether Pop has seen the light, on starting either White or Bertans and playing Cunningham spot or no minutes.

Gibson bullied Gay on the block last meeting. Does he overreact, get cute and start Cunningham (while ignoring that he's fully capable of doing the same to him)?

It's clear as day that Gay needs to be the primary big wing or in this case post defender because when they utilize the rotation they mostly have recently, this can be an unconventionally explosive offense; the likes of which they haven't had since '14.

[RC_Drunkford]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

[TD 21]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

That's not what pad300 said. He/she backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer, so relative speaking, he's irrefutably not long at all.

[RC_Drunkford]

That's not what he/she said. They said and backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer. Which means, relatively speaking, he's not long at all.

obviously the position you play factors into that

[Chinook]

That's not what pad300 said. He/she backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer, so relative speaking, he's irrefutably not long at all.

It's like getting mad at someone saying DeJuan Blair isn't tall. In a real-world sense, he's obviously very tall. Even in terms of the average basketball player, he's probably within the average real height. But for what he had to do on the court, he was very short.

[DAF86]

It has been said before, but Bertans is more of a SF than a PF. He has more tools to defend on the perimeter than on the low block. He's more mobile than strong.

Anyway, on today's positionless NBA, this matter it's less of a problem. He's a player that can be there and guard mutliple positions because of his combination of size, mobility and help defense. Heck, he could even guard SGs (he would do a much better job than Bryn Forbes or Marco Belinelli, for example).

But, no matter what position, this guy needs to play, and he needs to play a lot.

[SpursDynasty85]

That's not what pad300 said. He/she backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer, so relative speaking, he's irrefutably not long at all.

average nba player has a wingspan 2'' above height.

[SpursDynasty85]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

Rudy Gay 6' 9-10'' with a 7' 3" wingspan. :wow Great rebounder.

[r0drig0lac]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

my analysis of the way he played in Europe was that he was a taller and athletic Kyle Korver (which obviously helps on the defensive side), he's starting to look like that, he's about to start putting fear in opponents with its gravity (as long as Pop increases its offensive volume)

[Chinook]

average nba player has a wingspan 2'' above height.

Dunno if it makes a difference in this case, but TD21 is likely talking about shoeless height, whereas most of the measurements reported casually use shoed height. If whatever you looked at used the latter measurement standard, then you can add on another inch-and-a-half, getting pretty close to what Teeds said.

[duncan2k5]

If Davis played on a different team, we would be looking at him the way we currently look at guys like Siakam... If Siakam was drafted by the Spurs, we would look at him the way we currently look at Davis... Even Jacob looked better last year... Other teams consistently play their young guys so they grow... Siakam would have been jumping between the G league and DNPCDs

[BillMc]

He is one of the most upright and weak individuals on the court. He needs to hit the weight room and also have weights tied to his ass to get him to drop his butt and bend his knees to get a good stance for movement and for fighting for position. He needs to get playing time and attack the basket as he does occasionally, not just be a spot up shooter.

They may not want him to gain weight (muscle weight or otherwise) to spare those knees.

[Mugen]

I really like Davis starting instead of DWhite. Ideally, both start and Bryn is relegated to 10-15 mins a night but that won't happen.

I just like Davis spacing the floor early and Derrick playing as much of his minutes without Demar on the court...but I can see the argument for starting Derrick and just not getting reamed by perimeter guys right at tipoff. At the end of the day as long as both guys are getting a minimum of 20-25 mins a night, I won't complain too much tbh....

[DAF86]

I really like Davis starting instead of DWhite. Ideally, both start and Bryn is relegated to 10-15 mins a night but that won't happen.

I just like Davis spacing the floor early and Derrick playing as much of his minutes without Demar on the court...but I can see the argument for starting Derrick and just not getting reamed by perimeter guys right at tipoff. At the end of the day as long as both guys are getting a minimum of 20-25 mins a night, I won't complain too much tbh....

I would prefer 28-33, tbh.

[spurraider21]

good to see him getting consistent usage. made no sense to re-sign him and then have him planted on the bench

[timvp]

Bertans, Murray and Bonner all have 6-10 wingspans, but I would comfortably say that DJM has more length, with Bertans second and Bonner third.

What might be worth factoring in is Bertans seems longer than he is on paper likely due to the fact that his shoulders are narrow ... so his 6-foot-10 wingspan is because he has long arms. Bonner, by contrast, had a 6-foot-10 wingspan due to having broad shoulders. If Bertans had normal shoulders, his wingspan would be like 7-foot-2 or something.

[Chinook]

What might be worth factoring in is Bertans seems longer than he is on paper likely due to the fact that his shoulders are narrow ... so his 6-foot-10 wingspan is because he has long arms. Bonner, by contrast, had a 6-foot-10 wingspan due to having broad shoulders. If Bertans had normal shoulders, his wingspan would be like 7-foot-2 or something.

That's also true. Bio-mechanics tend to get underutilized when analyzing basketball. We boil things down to a couple of numbers and then fight like dogs over them like they're the jewels of the Earth. Nothing like wingspan, height or agility measurements exist in a vacuum. It's about how everything comes together.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Davis is plenty long enough for his position. If he were 6'4 then his arm length would be an issue but he is like 6'10 so it doesn't come into play. Honestly his lack of rebounding I think was the main reason he wasn't playing. I heard somebody mention that he would be better off on other teams (like a Siakam) but that doesn't take into account how bad a rebounder he really is. I don't know Siakims stats offhand but I wager he is a better rebounder by far. Davis is only playable now bc he is rebounding the ball. His defense was always pretty good and his shot is very pretty, but he was incomplete in his game and it's a BIG weakness to have.

[superbigtime]

Bertans and Rudy ... glad they are still Spurs. Wish Danny was. Damn imagine if we had him.

[spurraider21]

That's also true. Bio-mechanics tend to get underutilized when analyzing basketball. We boil things down to a couple of numbers and then fight like dogs over them like they're the jewels of the Earth. Nothing like wingspan, height or agility measurements exist in a vacuum. It's about how everything comes together.
Bend over, I'll show you some underutilized bio-mechanics.

[DAF86]

Bend over, I'll show you some underutilized bio-mechanics.

Sad to hear that bro.

[Keepin' it real]

Bertans and Rudy ... glad they are still Spurs. Wish Danny was. Damn imagine if we had him.

That's easy to imagine. Half of spurstalk would be like "Green sucks, trade him." And the other half would be like "B-b-but transition defense." :cry

[ace3g]

What might be worth factoring in is Bertans seems longer than he is on paper likely due to the fact that his shoulders are narrow ... so his 6-foot-10 wingspan is because he has long arms. Bonner, by contrast, had a 6-foot-10 wingspan due to having broad shoulders. If Bertans had normal shoulders, his wingspan would be like 7-foot-2 or something.

I hope one day they will standardize wingspan to just arm length (shoulder to fingertips) and eliminate broad/narrow shoulders aspect. This really bothers me in the fight game during the "tale of the tape" segment when they say 2 fighters have identical wingspans when actually they don't. One clearly has longer arms and last time I checked you punch with your your arm perpendicular to your shoulder/chest not out to the side. From a basketball point of view I get that can influence lateral defense but overall the longer arms will have more impact on lateral and vertical aspects of defense.

[BackHome]

I look at Murray and I wonder how he is such a great rebounder with those chicken legs. He has great length but he also has great positioning and anticipation which Bertans does not have yet. But I give the kid credit he is really trying even though he is getting smashed a lot. Lol

[Chinook]

I look at Murray and I wonder how he is such a great rebounder with those chicken legs. He has great length but he also has great positioning and anticipation which Bertans does not have yet. But I give the kid credit he is really trying even though he is getting smashed a lot. Lol

Rebounding for guards is more about hops and tenacity. Murray does box guys out, but most of his boards where he does that are against small guards who can't go around or over him, and the ones against bigs really have him hopping in front of guys. I don't think that's a model for Bertans to base his own rebounding game on, though getting better "gang-rebounding" habits in, like tipping balls to teammates rather than catching them or double-teaming an opponent when his teammate is over matched or getting his hands in front of a guy's face so he loses track of the ball could help him. The whole team should do that more often, actually. They did that a lot last year, especially after they committed to going small.

[DAF86]

I look at Murray and I wonder how he is such a great rebounder with those chicken legs. He has great length but he also has great positioning and anticipation which Bertans does not have yet. But I give the kid credit he is really trying even though he is getting smashed a lot. Lol

It's not the same to have to box out a bigman on the paint than coming free from the perimeter to steal rebounds. If Murray had to battle for rebounds down low he wouldn't average so many rebounds.

[playbonner15]

What I see is Bertans actively jumping for the rebound. Before, he would just box out and let the other bigman go for it. I think he was not used to playing pf so he lets the other big guys get the ball. But now he's actively jumping and snatching the ball when he's near the basket

[cd021]

I really like Davis starting instead of DWhite. Ideally, both start and Bryn is relegated to 10-15 mins a night but that won't happen.

I just like Davis spacing the floor early and Derrick playing as much of his minutes without Demar on the court...but I can see the argument for starting Derrick and just not getting reamed by perimeter guys right at tipoff. At the end of the day as long as both guys are getting a minimum of 20-25 mins a night, I won't complain too much tbh....


I prefer Bertans starting over White too. White's defense is a probable plus but his lack of outside shooting probably hurts (even though teams seem to actually still guard him). Bertans is shooting 46% on 3's :wow and is second in the league in tru shooting % he really should be playing more than 19 mpg. Three 40% 3pt shooters around the DDR/LMA pick and pop could be absolutely lethal.

[Chinook]

I prefer Bertans starting over White too. White's defense is a probable plus but his lack of outside shooting probably hurts (even though teams seem to actually still guard him). Bertans is shooting 46% on 3's :wow and is second in the league in tru shooting % he really should be playing more than 19 mpg. Three 40% 3pt shooters around the DDR/LMA pick and pop could be absolutely lethal.

Three elite shooters around DMDR and LMA would be huge for spacing, but it wouldn't be ideal offense. A guy like Bertans simply isn't going to get the touches if he plays that many minutes with the two highest-usage players on the roster. He's arguably the first option on the bench right now. Obviously, nothing's stopping him from getting more run even in that capacity, but if the goal is to get Davis as many touches as possible that should come with at least one of the big dogs on the bench.

[skookumchuck]

Three elite shooters around DMDR and LMA would be huge for spacing, but it wouldn't be ideal offense. A guy like Bertans simply isn't going to get the touches if he plays that many minutes with the two highest-usage players on the roster. He's arguably the first option on the bench right now. Obviously, nothing's stopping him from getting more run even in that capacity, but if the goal is to get Davis as many touches as possible that should come with at least one of the big dogs on the bench.

This is true. When Bertans subs in in the 1stQ, he usually gets most of the baskets, then later in the game when playing with the starters more - less shots/buckets.

[cd021]

Three elite shooters around DMDR and LMA would be huge for spacing, but it wouldn't be ideal offense. A guy like Bertans simply isn't going to get the touches if he plays that many minutes with the two highest-usage players on the roster. He's arguably the first option on the bench right now. Obviously, nothing's stopping him from getting more run even in that capacity, but if the goal is to get Davis as many touches as possible that should come with at least one of the big dogs on the bench.


Bertans may not get as many shots as the 4th or 5th option in the SL but his presence would seriously open things up; DeRozen, in particular, is really good at finding Bertans on open looks. I think that there is a middle ground that could be had; something like he starts the 1st 7 minutes of each half and maybe the first four minutes of the 2nd and 4th playing primarily with bench players.

I get the idea behind it but it's still weird that White is already five minutes behind Bertans in total minutes when Bertans is significantly outplaying him.

[superbigtime]

That's easy to imagine. Half of spurstalk would be like "Green sucks, trade him." And the other half would be like "B-b-but transition defense." :cry

ST is a pretty mean place. No one is beyond scorn or reproach around here.

[Bojo]

I get the idea behind it but it's still weird that White is already five minutes behind Bertans in total minutes when Bertans is significantly outplaying him.

White still plays in garbage time when Davis sits behind Q-Pon and (hopefully only in garbage time) Cunningham.

I like Davis off the bench. That unit is doing pretty well and I would not mess too much with it. If White's shooting issues are only based on confidence instead of incapability, the SL should be doing well on it's own.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I'm glad he is playing better and getting more minutes but the guy is still flawed as a player. I wish he would get more minutes over guys like Forbes and Cunningham though. Forbes is terrible on defense and dies on picks. At least Bertans gives maximum effort. I just wish the guy could get stronger

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Pop should go to Bertans more in crunch time. If you need a 3 at the end of the game he can basically make that shot from anywhere. Him and Rudy should be the first options for a 3-pointer at the end of games

[DAF86]

I'm glad he is playing better and getting more minutes but the guy is still flawed as a player. I wish he would get more minutes over guys like Forbes and Cunningham though. Forbes is terrible on defense and dies on picks. At least Bertans gives maximum effort. I just wish the guy could get stronger

Which role player isn't flawed as a player? The deadly three pt shooters are usually bad defenders, the good defenders are usually below average on offense, the rim protectors can't shoot, etc.

For a role player, I think Bertans is as complete as it can get, tbh.

[DAF86]

My man has to be shooting like 50% from 3 this season. :worthy:

[BillMc]

My man has to be shooting like 50% from 3 this season. :worthy:

:boboHe was even better than the stats showed. One of his misses was that end of quarter full court heave.

[marinoman]

Davis was 3rd in 3 point % coming into tonight. I think he may be 1 after 5-7 today from 3

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1076319319334768640

Can we get Bertans in the 3 point contest!!!

[Chinook]

Beli also has 50 threes in each of his first three seasons with the club.

[DAF86]

Danny and/or Kawhi don't have 50+ 3's in their first 3 seasons? I find that hard to believe.

[cjw]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1076319319334768640

Can we get Bertans in the 3 point contest!!!

Two guys with allegations against them (albeit very different types) and two guys missing a body part

[Chinook]

Danny and/or Kawhi don't have 50+ 3's in their first 3 seasons? I find that hard to believe.

Danny didn't play much his first year with the Spurs. Leonard only had 41 threes his rookie year.

[Play Boban]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

do you want to play Boban at SF?
:wow

[BackHome]

Wow Tony on that list would have never thought that.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1076319319334768640

Can we get Bertans in the 3 point contest!!!

I read somewhere that Rudy wants to participate this year

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Which role player isn't flawed as a player? The deadly three pt shooters are usually bad defenders, the good defenders are usually below average on offense, the rim protectors can't shoot, etc.

For a role player, I think Bertans is as complete as it can get, tbh.

You are 100% correct that every role player is flawed. My issue is yes he is a good help defender but overall defensively he has issues due to his slight frame so he is only truly a shooting threat. I like the guys fire and the fact that he isn’t afraid to shoot. He also isn’t a total stiff overall, I just hope he can some how get a little bit stronger to help him with rebounding and defense. If he can do that he will be an even greater role player than he already is.

[Kurgan]

Danny didn't play much his first year with the Spurs. Leonard only had 41 threes his rookie year.

Kawhi's first year was that shortened lockout season where every team only played 66 games iirc

[Chinook]

Kawhi's first year was that shortened lockout season where every team only played 66 games iirc

Also true. Amazing that SA still managed to win 50 games that year.

[Gibbz]

Davis is leading the NBA in True Shooting Percentage among players who've played 500+ minutes. Three 6 Latvia, baby!

[BackHome]

He better get and invite to 3 point contest this year.

[DAF86]

Untill Gay gets back is time to start him and play him at least 36 minutes per game, tbh.

Just have Cunningham buy him a 6 minutes breather each half and pray that shit doesn't go south on those stints.

[JeffDuncan]

I don't know if Bertans can handle starter minutes with his flimsy physique.

[RC_Drunkford]

Untill Gay gets back is time to start him and play him at least 36 minutes per game, tbh.

Just have Cunningham buy him a 6 minutes breather each half and pray that shit doesn't go south on those stints.

This is weird. I actually agree with what you are saying

[DAF86]

This is weird. I actually agree with what you are saying

You should try that more often, tbh.

[SAGirl]

Rudy Gay is trying to return on Wednesday against Dallas.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/spurs-rudy-gay-targeting-wednesday-return/

[spurraider21]

he needs to be on the court a lot more when gay is out, agreed

[DAF86]

My man needs more shots, tbh. He's the best shooter on the team yet he's 8th on shots attempted per game? Something isn't right, tbh.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

My man needs more shots, tbh. He's the best shooter on the team yet he's 8th on shots attempted per game? Something isn't right, tbh.I would like to see Bertans do more than just shoot 3s, he seems capable of being able to do it.

[Play Boban]

Racist pop tbh
My man needs more shots, tbh. He's the best shooter on the team yet he's 8th on shots attempted per game? Something isn't right, tbh.

[ceperez]

My man needs more shots, tbh. He's the best shooter on the team yet he's 8th on shots attempted per game? Something isn't right, tbh.

He's not going to get shots if he isn't getting fed at the right spot.

[DAF86]

I would like to see Bertans do more than just shoot 3s, he seems capable of being able to do it.

I'm cool with him taking mostly threes. the Basketball Gods knows we need all the threes we can take. The thing is he needs to take more. We have one of the best 5 shooters in the entire World and he's averaging 5 shots per game. Pop needs to start calling some more plays for him coming off screens.

[DAF86]

He's not going to get shots if he isn't getting fed at the right spot.

Well, then the coaching staff should do something to feed him at the right spots. This guy isn't no Matt Bonner, he has one of the quickest triggers in the World, it shouldn't be that difficult to get him some more looks.

[FkLA]

All the plays Pop runs for Fatty to get a three should go to Davis. Seriously, Patty has to shoot like 10% on those plays where he has to run around multiple screens and yet he still inexplicably gets a couple of those plays called for him per game.

[DAF86]

Pop needs to use the ginger cuck like Klay. Get him running around the screens and jacking up 3s. The dude is so good around running around screens and not doing it?

Like Klay, like Korver, like Reddick. This is the type of role Bertans should have. Advanced metrics have proven that having these type of players on these type of roles is one of the best weapons you can have for an offense. We have one of the few guys that can pull this off, yet we underutilize him.

[timtonymanu]

Would be 6MOY candidate if he had more playing time

[Keepin' it real]

Racist pop tbh

:cry

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

My man needs more shots, tbh. He's the best shooter on the team yet he's 8th on shots attempted per game? Something isn't right, tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

He's not going to get shots if he isn't getting fed at the right spot.

this


Pop needs to use the ginger cuck like Klay. Get him running around the screens and jacking up 3s. The dude is so good around running around screens and not doing it?

as soon as he arrived I pointed out that he is like a tall and athletic Korver, he should be being used exactly the same way, because coming out of the screens his shoot is impossible to block due to his size

[Drom John]

6th most underrated player in:
The Ringer: Owen Phillips, The Most Objectively Underrated Players in the NBA (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/17/18185850/most-objectively-underrated-players-nba)



6. Davis Bertans, Spurs
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NBA defenses, like casual NBA fans, must not know who Bertans is because the 6-foot-10 Latvian is left open on more than 80 percent of his 3-point attempts, per NBA.com/stats. Not a great strategy for defending one of the league leaders in 3-point percentage. When Spurs fans brainstormed to give Bertans a nickname last season the best they came up with was “Baetans.”

[DAF86]

He's underrated even by his own team, tbh.

[TimmyBuckets]

6th most underrated player in:
The Ringer: Owen Phillips, The Most Objectively Underrated Players in the NBA (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/17/18185850/most-objectively-underrated-players-nba)

True, but he's also a great off-ball mover, and the ball tends to move in this system.

[DAF86]

6th most underrated player in:
The Ringer: Owen Phillips, The Most Objectively Underrated Players in the NBA (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/17/18185850/most-objectively-underrated-players-nba)

Another of my boys, Dedmon, number one on that list :hat

[DAF86]

Real talk sons, my man needs more than spot up shots.

[SpursDynasty85]

Real talk sons, my man needs more than spot up shots.

He's gotta defend and rebound better. Otherwise he is a taller longer Belinelli.

[DAF86]

He's gotta defend and rebound better. Otherwise he is a taller longer Belinelli.

lol he's one of the best Spurs defenders. Also, he's a better shooter than Beli too.

[SpursDynasty85]

lol he's one of the best Spurs defenders. Also, he's a better shooter than Beli too.

He does not stand out in defense. Would give Cunningham and a spry Gay the edge on him on defense. One of the biggest killers is rebounding though. He needs to rebound better. No doubt he should probably close games though. I think our closing lineup should be LMA, Gay, Bertans, Derozan, White or LMA, Bertans, Derozan, White, Forbes. But he is not a 30+ mpg guy quite yet.

[FkLA]

He's not the best defender in the post because of his kid shoulders but he's pretty damn good at defending smaller guys out on the perimeter. Every time he shoots a three I'm expecting it to go in. Every time he's defending guards out on the perimeter I'm expecting him to get the stop. Makes you wonder how much more mobile he was before the knee injuries, tbh.

[emanueldavidginobili]

He's not the best defender in the post because of his kid shoulders but he's pretty damn good at defending smaller guys out on the perimeter. Every time he shoots a three I'm expecting it to go in. Every time he's defending guards out on the perimeter I'm expecting him to get the stop. Makes you wonder how much more mobile he was before the knee injuries, tbh.

Yeah I agree, kid blew his knee out twice. But you can see the improvement just from this year. He’s integrated a dribble pull up shot to his game and his rebounding has improved. He will only get better

[DAF86]

He does not stand out in defense. Would give Cunningham and a spry Gay the edge on him on defense. One of the biggest killers is rebounding though. He needs to rebound better. No doubt he should probably close games though. I think our closing lineup should be LMA, Gay, Bertans, Derozan, White or LMA, Bertans, Derozan, White, Forbes. But he is not a 30+ mpg guy quite yet.

He rates as one of the best Spurs defenders on the last two seasons.

[boutons_deux]

He will only get better

I like his intensity, the rest will follow.

[skookumchuck]

He’s integrated a dribble pull up shot to his game
Not really, he already had that shot in Europe. Dude was a really good scorer.

[DAF86]

Not really, he already had that shot in Europe. Dude was a really good scorer.

You know what I know son. I'm trying to tell these guys. :lol

[emanueldavidginobili]

Not really, he already had that shot in Europe. Dude was a really good scorer.
Yeah he did but not in the NBA. Totally different, he didn’t have the confidence to even attempt it in his first two years

[Play Boban]

6th most underrated player in:
The Ringer: Owen Phillips, The Most Objectively Underrated Players in the NBA (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/17/18185850/most-objectively-underrated-players-nba)
:cry Deadman it still hurts :cry

[Play Boban]

I just worry his knees are a ticking time bomb tbh.

[skookumchuck]

Yeah he did but not in the NBA. Totally different, he didn’t have the confidence to even attempt it in his first two years

Never lacked confidence. That's just something to do with the box he was put in when he came over. Just saying - we had Y an LMA, so we needed Bertans to be a stretch 4 and do stretch 4 things.

[RC_Drunkford]

played clutch defense on Rose last night. It also doesn't matter if he plays SF or PF since most teams are basically playing 2 SFs anyway when they go small

[SpursDynasty85]

He rates as one of the best Spurs defenders on the last two seasons.

Just curious, what position would you prefer he play most this season and what do you think his natural position is?

[ace3g]

Bertans for NBA 3 Point Contest!!!

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1086654515745513472

[DAF86]

Just curious, what position would you prefer he play most this season and what do you think his natural position is?

Forward.

[SpursDynasty85]

SF or PF? Which position is he gaurding?

[DAF86]

SF or PF? Which position is he gaurding?

There isn't a difference between SF and PF on the NBA anymore.

[SpursDynasty85]

There isn't a difference between SF and PF on the NBA anymore.

I agree that the positions are mixing up but the point remains Bertans has to gaurd someone. Warriors for instance is he guarding KD or Draymond? Thunder is he guarding Paul George or Jerami Grant?

Davis fits in a hybrid role where he can be easily beaten up on the inside and outside. He does a pretty good job from what I can tell. Has all the heart and grit you could want in a player but in the end wings will cross him and bigs will pound him unless he gets better. Criticism for a player I really like.

Personally I see him as a small ball pf off the bench and a SF in the starting lineup. He will be benched when he struggles to rebound and defend. Specially in the playoffs.

[vander]

up to 25 mpg in January :tu

[BillMc]

Bertans for NBA 3 Point Contest!!!

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1086654515745513472
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[BackHome]

It all determined by matches if he is not guarding a post dunking PF/SF then he should get a lot of playing time but if he has to guard someone like that limit him for when you need instant offense spark.

[TimmyBuckets]

He's such a lethal weapon rn. Give any air and he's gonna drain it.