Start Bertans right now

[DAF86]

I agree that the positions are mixing up but the point remains Bertans has to gaurd someone. Warriors for instance is he guarding KD or Draymond? Thunder is he guarding Paul George or Jerami Grant?

Davis fits in a hybrid role where he can be easily beaten up on the inside and outside. He does a pretty good job from what I can tell. Has all the heart and grit you could want in a player but in the end wings will cross him and bigs will pound him unless he gets better. Criticism for a player I really like.

Personally I see him as a small ball pf off the bench and a SF in the starting lineup. He will be benched when he struggles to rebound and defend. Specially in the playoffs.

Against the Warriors he defends Thompson. He already did a great job against him on the playoffs last season.

Bertans is a much better defender than guys like Forbes, Belinelli and even DeRozan yet I don't see you questioning who those guys would defend. Do you imagine any of those three guys playing the kind of defense Bertans played vs Rose the other night to save the game? No way in hell.

If, in your opinion, "wings will cross him and bigs will pound him" imagine what those wings or bigs will do to the other rotation players of the team like Mills, Forbes, Belinelli and DeRozan. Bertans is one of the best 5 defenders on the entire team, that's why he should end most games: he's top 5 both in offense and defense for this team.

[Play Boban]

People don’t think the Latvian Laser can play defense because they’re racist against whites. It’s as simple as that tbh.

[DAF86]

People don’t think the Latvian Laser can play defense because they’re racist against whites. It’s as simple as that tbh.

I know this is a troll comment but, yeah, there's some of that.

[SpursDynasty85]

Against the Warriors he defends Thompson. He already did a great job against him on the playoffs last season.

Bertans is a much better defender than guys like Forbes, Belinelli and even DeRozan yet I don't see you questioning who those guys would defend. Do you imagine any of those three guys playing the kind of defense Bertans played vs Rose the other night to save the game? No way in hell.

If, in your opinion, "wings will cross him and bigs will pound him" imagine what those wings or bigs will do to the other rotation players of the team like Mills, Forbes, Belinelli and DeRozan. Bertans is one of the best 5 defenders on the entire team, that's why he should end most games: he's top 5 both in offense and defense for this team.

He did okay against Thompson a few quarters maybe but if it becomes a consistent thing they will game plan around demoralizing Bertans on the outside. I'm not saying Bertans is not good and I think he deserves a good amount of playing time but he just gets "beat up inside by bigs and eaten up by guards on the outside." Those players you mentioned minus Derozan are all bench players around 20 mpg.

He is a borderline starter though. Great value and will be cheering for him to prove me wrong.

[DAF86]

He did okay against Thompson a few quarters maybe but if it becomes a consistent thing they will game plan around demoralizing Bertans on the outside. I'm not saying Bertans is not good and I think he deserves a good amount of playing time but he just gets "beat up inside by bigs and eaten up by guards on the outside." Those players you mentioned minus Derozan are all bench players around 20 mpg.

He is a borderline starter though. Great value and will be cheering for him to prove me wrong.

lol what? Forbes is a 30 mpg starter.

[SpursDynasty85]

lol what? Forbes is a 30 mpg starter.

Well. I am definitely not advocating him to be a 30 mpg starter. He plays too much. On a complete team he should be a bench player for sure. Murray, White out and Belli and Mills early struggles thrust him into major minutes. I would expect his minutes to decrease but whoever is playing hot needs the minutes. Seems like everyone gives Pop a reason to play them some games.

[DAF86]

I missed you. :cry

[DAF86]

I don't care if he starts or not but he has to start getting 30+ mpg from now on. He just brings too much to the table to have one dimensional guys like Bryn Forbes average more minutes than him.

[BD24]

I don't care if he starts or not but he has to start getting 30+ mpg from now on. He just brings too much to the table to have one dimensional guys like Bryn Forbes average more minutes than him.
Yep, ended the game with 4 steals and a block tonight. Would be nice to see him develop a fade away from 10-15 ft out.

[TheGreatYacht]

1 rebound in 36 minutes of action :depressed

He's the best shooter in the league and his contract is an asset, but damn does it annoy me how bad he is at something so simple like rebounding.

[DAF86]

1 rebound in 36 minutes of action :depressed

He's the best shooter in the league and his contract is an asset, but damn does it annoy me how bad he is at something so simple like rebounding.

He grabs 9.4% of the rebounds available. That's adequate enough for a backup SF. Our all-star starting SF (DeRozan) grabs 9.6% of rebounds available, and nobody is complaining for his lack of rebounding, tbh.

[DAF86]

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[spurs10]

IW1IbAS3hQQ

enoEEIqCi-A :bobo

[jiggy_55]

Is it time for Pop to try a White/DeRozan/Gay/Bertans/Aldridge starting lineup?

I worry a little about Gay if he's forced to play SF, I believe he has been better as a small-ball PF mostly. But this lineup needs to be tested for a few games, Pop can play with the rotations and make early subs to DeRozan, Gay or Bertans because this move does make the bench very very small with Mills/Forbes/Belinelli.

[SpursDynasty85]

He grabs 9.4% of the rebounds available. That's adequate enough for a backup SF. Our all-star starting SF (DeRozan) grabs 9.6% of rebounds available, and nobody is complaining for his lack of rebounding, tbh.

Actually, Bertans was our back up pf for most of the season. I will say he is looking more and more like a SF than a PF though.

[r0drig0lac]

Is it time for Pop to try a White/DeRozan/Gay/Bertans/Aldridge starting lineup?

he should have done it already.



Is it time for Pop to try a White/DeRozan/Gay/Bertans/Aldridge starting lineup?

I worry a little about Gay if he's forced to play SF, I believe he has been better as a small-ball PF mostly. But this lineup needs to be tested for a few games, Pop can play with the rotations and make early subs to DeRozan, Gay or Bertans because this move does make the bench very very small with Mills/Forbes/Belinelli.
Pop does not seem to mind this, since he's been using the three of them together on the court.

[horseshue]

Is it time for Pop to try a White/DeRozan/Gay/Bertans/Aldridge starting lineup?


There is no backup if Gay/Bert starts together. Next in line is Dante. But that could be closing unit.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm really amazed at Pop this season. He's really trying things. I did not expect that starting lineup at all. We all knew starting Gasol was the wrong move, but in year's past pop has been too stubborn to change things.

[vander]

I'm really amazed at Pop this season. He's really trying things. I did not expect that starting lineup at all. We all knew starting Gasol was the wrong move, but in year's past pop has been too stubborn to change things.

is it pop though? or is he just starting to take the advice from his assistants more than in the past?

[TheGreatYacht]

is it pop though? or is he just starting to take the advice from his assistants more than in the past?
This :lol

If it was up to Pop, his pet Cun would start with a sprinkle of Pon off the bench.

[Play Boban]

he should have done it already.



Pop does not seem to mind this, since he's been using the three of them together on the court.

Poop has never met a small lineup he didn't like. It's been a disgusting pathogen ever since the Roger Mason scrubbing days and before.

[Chinook]

He grabs 9.4% of the rebounds available. That's adequate enough for a backup SF. Our all-star starting SF (DeRozan) grabs 9.6% of rebounds available, and nobody is complaining for his lack of rebounding, tbh.

This is an incorrect way to look at it. Bertans plays PF, which puts him at a different spot on the court than DeRozan does. PFs should rebound more than wings because of how they function in plays, not merely because of their height. If Bertans moved down to SF so a bigger interior player could be the PF, it's likely that his rebounding rate would go down. Davis rebounds like he's almost never near the rim, the same as most of the other guards. On offense, that makes some sense due to his shooting skill, and indeed he has one of the lowest oRBRs in the league. Defensively, he should be much higher than he is. That's even more true when you consider how many mediocre or poor rebounders the Spurs have in their rotation this year. The last two years, the drop was excusable, since the team had a lot of really good rebounders for their positions.

A better defense is going to the on/offs and looking at his effect on the team's rebounding rate. He's actually one of the positives there, though not by much. Regardless, it suggests that Bertans not being a strong rebounder hasn't hindered the Spurs' ability to clear the boards this year. Issue is that he was a definite negative in that regard the past two years before this one.

[Jsmythe]

I found an interesting article here:

https://www.bball-index.com/spurs-balance-the-biggest-key/

It basically says that the Mills/Belinelli/Bertans/Poeltl combination is the Spurs' most dominant 4-man combo, with a +24.1 net rating. It also says that our strong bench is responsible for a lot of the team's success, whereas the starting unit has been just OK.

[DAF86]

This is an incorrect way to look at it. Bertans plays PF, which puts him at a different spot on the court than DeRozan does. PFs should rebound more than wings because of how they function in plays, not merely because of their height. If Bertans moved down to SF so a bigger interior player could be the PF, it's likely that his rebounding rate would go down. Davis rebounds like he's almost never near the rim, the same as most of the other guards. On offense, that makes some sense due to his shooting skill, and indeed he has one of the lowest oRBRs in the league. Defensively, he should be much higher than he is. That's even more true when you consider how many mediocre or poor rebounders the Spurs have in their rotation this year. The last two years, the drop was excusable, since the team had a lot of really good rebounders for their positions.

A better defense is going to the on/offs and looking at his effect on the team's rebounding rate. He's actually one of the positives there, though not by much. Regardless, it suggests that Bertans not being a strong rebounder hasn't hindered the Spurs' ability to clear the boards this year. Issue is that he was a definite negative in that regard the past two years before this one.

Still making a distinction between SF and PF in 2019 :lol

[Chinook]

Still making a distinction between SF and PF in 2019 :lol

You spent half this thread complaining that Bertans is playing out of position because he's been a PF and not SF. You even have the nerve to refer to him as an SF a few posts ago. Would have just been better to admit you didn't understand how to use rebound rate correctly.

[DAF86]

You spent half this thread complaining that Bertans is playing out of position because he's been a PF and not SF. You even have the nerve to refer to him as an SF a few posts ago. Would have just been better to admit you didn't understand how to use rebound rate correctly.

I sometimes fall for that trap just because it is easier to say that when you are trying to make a point (for example: when I say he's more of a SF than a PF, what I mean is that he defends better on the perimeter than in the low block. But, actually, making a distiction between SF and PF is retarded because there are nominal SF's, like a Kawhi, that would post up, whereas there are nominal PF's, like a Tucker, that won't ever do it. So in that case Bertans would be better off defending the "PF" position than the "SF" one).

There aren't many differences in the positions any more. The differences are solely on the players, your own players and the other teams' players.

For example, last night, who played SF and who played PF between Bertans and Gay?

[TD 21]

I sometimes fall for that trap just because it is easier to say that when you are trying to make a point (for example: when I say he's more of a SF than a PF, what I mean is that he defends better on the perimeter than in the low block. But, actually, making a distiction between SF and PF is retarded because there are nominal SF's, like a Kawhi, that would post up, whereas there are nominal PF's, like a Tucker, that won't ever do it. So in that case Bertans would be better off defending the "PF" position than the "SF" one).

There aren't many differences in the positions any more. The differences are solely on the players, your own players and the other teams' players.

For example, last night, who played SF and who played PF between Bertans and Gay?

Poor attempt at a cop out, tbh. :lol

[ceperez]

I found an interesting article here:

https://www.bball-index.com/spurs-balance-the-biggest-key/

It basically says that the Mills/Belinelli/Bertans/Poeltl combination is the Spurs' most dominant 4-man combo, with a +24.1 net rating. It also says that our strong bench is responsible for a lot of the team's success, whereas the starting unit has been just OK.

Exactly right... the bench is what blows out teams.

[DAF86]

Poor attempt at a cop out, tbh. :lol

No reason for one, tbh. I wasn't caught lying about a cold hard fact. :lol

[TD 21]

No reason for one, tbh. I wasn't caught lying about a cold hard fact. :lol

As usual, you're so concerned with "winning" a debate that the point (poor job explaining what you meant and it naturally being interpreted differently than how you meant it) flew over your head.

[DAF86]

As usual, you're so concerned with "winning" a debate that the point (poor job explaining what you meant and it naturally being interpreted differently than how you meant it) flew over your head.

Butthurt about "losing" a debate. :lol

[jiggy_55]

There is no backup if Gay/Bert starts together. Next in line is Dante. But that could be closing unit.

I mentioned this can be slightly fixed with early/late subs. For example remove Bertans after 4-5 mins, then bring him back in for Gay before the end of the quarter. But it gives them more minutes together, and might help us get off to better starts in games. With our team setup, we should be playing Bertans and Gay 30mpg a night. And as everyone knows, it is our bench that does the real damage and not our starters most of the time - so I feel this may help make our starters more dominant.

[Play Boban]

I found an interesting article here:

https://www.bball-index.com/spurs-balance-the-biggest-key/

It basically says that the Mills/Belinelli/Bertans/Poeltl combination is the Spurs' most dominant 4-man combo, with a +24.1 net rating. It also says that our strong bench is responsible for a lot of the team's success, whereas the starting unit has been just OK.

I'm shocked that a majority-Euro lineup would be so dominant. Shocked, I tell you! :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Record when Bertans starts
2018: 3-7
2019: 3-5

Hate to be that guy that's always right, but I'm always right. Can't help it. He's a cute little player to have that can give you a good 15 minutes of offense. You play him any more than that and you ain't getting shit. He's not a starter. Sorry.

[KDKSpurs24]

Bertans has been SOFT. Embarrassed by Layman and Harkless.

[Sunmaster14]

Record when Bertans starts
2018: 3-7
2019: 3-5

Hate to be that guy that's always right, but I'm always right. Can't help it. He's a cute little player to have that can give you a good 15 minutes of offense. You play him any more than that and you ain't getting shit. He's not a starter. Sorry.

This is flawed use of statistics. Given his role in the team, the fact that Bertans starts usually means that the team is shorthanded for that game due to injuries or resting players, which ceteris paribus means lower win probability. Furthermore, with such small samples you have to at least look at the strength of opposition and home/away to draw any meaningful conclusions.

If your post was meant to be read in sarcastic light and I was too daft to get it, then never mind, of course :)

[horseshue]

Record when Bertans starts
2018: 3-7
2019: 3-5

Hate to be that guy that's always right, but I'm always right. Can't help it. He's a cute little player to have that can give you a good 15 minutes of offense. You play him any more than that and you ain't getting shit. He's not a starter. Sorry.

He usualy have the best +/- of all starters when he starts. So fuck you.

[r0drig0lac]

He usualy have the best +/- of all starters when he starts. So fuck you.

I disagree with TGY's opinion on Bertans, but +/- is as useless as the advanced stats played with no context here to prove some points (player x is not good for spurs because his bpm, per, etc etc is negative)

Bertans is a positive because he can not stay free (the opposing teams always have a player on him because he is one of the best shooters in the world), the problem is when Aldridge and Demar are freezing the offense with those fakes in the post that only work 1 every 10 times, put him on any team in the league playing a ball movement system (Nets, Blazers, Celtics, Pacers, ..) or with a guy like Harden as a playmaker, and he would be scary

[horseshue]

I disagree with TGY's opinion on Bertans, but +/- is as useless as the advanced stats played with no context here to prove some points (player x is not good for spurs because his bpm, per, etc etc is negative)

Bertans is a positive because he can not stay free (the opposing teams always have a player on him because he is one of the best shooters in the world), the problem is when Aldridge and Demar are freezing the offense with those fakes in the post that only work 1 every 10 times, put him on any team in the league playing a ball movement system (Nets, Blazers, Celtics, Pacers, ..) or with a guy like Harden as a playmaker, and he would be scary

Well i agree that he is not a starter, but his argument was just retarded. Starting unit with DDR and LA has no ball movement, so there is no point playing Bert. Only thing with him is, that he gives more room for others to play. He is more usefull with second unit.

[BD24]

Bertans struggles with the SL if White isn’t out there to facilitate the offense. If DDR is gonna jack up 28 shots we would be better having Davis on the bench unit where the ball movement is better tbh

[ceperez]

Bertans struggles with the SL if White isn’t out there to facilitate the offense. If DDR is gonna jack up 28 shots we would be better having Davis on the bench unit where the ball movement is better tbh

Bertans can't do anything in offense unless he gets the ball at the right time and spot! That's obvious. Spurs big 3 (LMA, DDR, GAY) play hero ball style.

[TheGreatYacht]

1 rebound in 32 minutes :lol

3-6 when he starts this season

[TheGreatYacht]

When I hit, I don't miss folks. Tried to tell ya. Guy blows chunks

[SuperCam]

send this soft flaming faggot back to eurostan, if his head will even fit through an airplane door

[timtonymanu]

Yeah let's blame Bertans that Pop can't create an efficient roster. Put Bertans in Toronto or Golden State and he would be used much better.

[TheGreatYacht]

This faggot is absolutely useless. Starting him might the single worst idea in ST history.

Hes a ginger Austin Daye. End of story.

[r0drig0lac]

Yeah let's blame Bertans that Pop can't create an efficient roster. Put Bertans in Toronto or Golden State and he would be used much better.

agree

[HarlemHeat37]

He's not a starter, he should be a 4th big, but anybody complaining about a man shooting 47%!!! from 3 should re-evaluate their understanding of basketball:lol

This team does a poor job of consistently getting him looks..I don't know if it's the players or Pop, but he needs to be a real part of the offense, he certainly isn't out there to rebound or anchor a defense..

[spurraider21]

he's a very good complementary player. he can't be expected to rescue a lineup, just enhance one.

[DAF86]

White
DeRozan
Bertans
Gay
Aldridge

That's our best 5 men unit. I don't care if they all start, but they should at least be playing 20 minutes together and finishing games off.

[elbamba1]

I am not sure that a lineup with two ballhog players whose game consists of isolation midrange jumpers is the best lineup for Davos. It is the same reason Green's shooting percentage went down. Defenders can recover and guys like Bertans gets zero open shots. Bertans would have been great on the 13 and 14 Spurs teams. Not so much on this one. He shoots his best with the bench because they spread the floor and pass.

[TheGreatYacht]

3-0 since he got benched and the defense looks great, as it was before he got inserted into the starting lineup

[DAF86]

Bertans should be starting over Forbes, tbh. He provides everything Bryn does, plus better defense, passing and rebounding.

In fact, Bertans is also better at the things Forbes does well.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Bertans and Forbes are good microwaves off the bench and should be used accordingly. Neither should be a starter and ideally should be used situationally. Bertans' tiny little shoulders can't handle bearing the burden that comes with being in the starting lineup...it's not his fault really.

[DAF86]

Bertans and Forbes are good microwaves off the bench and should be used accordingly. Neither should be a starter and ideally should be used situationally. Bertans' tiny little shoulders can't handle bearing the burden that comes with being in the starting lineup...it's not his fault really.

On the perimeter, instead of being downlow battling for rebounds, I think they would.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lowering the standard to Bryn Forbes. Yikes. Neither should be starting for a team with winning aspirations. Though since we're comparing, Forbes is a more complete offensive player (and it isn't close), both are shit defenders and rebounders. Conclusion: Forbes' shit doesn't smell as bad as Bertans'.

[TheGreatYacht]

Undefeated since his benching and the defense is back to looking elite (like it did before he started)

[DAF86]

Undefeated since being healthy and playing at home. And the defense is back to looking elite (like it did before he started)

Agreed, tbh.

[BackHome]

Doesn’t KY need his Ass wipes?

[horseshue]

Lowering the standard to Bryn Forbes. Yikes. Neither should be starting for a team with winning aspirations. Though since we're comparing, Forbes is a more complete offensive player (and it isn't close), both are shit defenders and rebounders. Conclusion: Forbes' shit doesn't smell as bad as Bertans'.

The best offensive rating, and by far best net rating in a team. But yeah, it doesnt matter, haters still gonna hate.

[TheGreatYacht]

Replace this ugly cock sucker with Austin Daye and we have 5 more wins. Campaigning to get in the 3pt contest and then go to shoot 10/120 from three right after :lmao

[spursistan]

Hate to say it.. but TGY might be right on this one: Bertans is a lowkey choker and too inconsistent for a shooter of his "deadly" reputation..

[TheGreatYacht]

Hate to say it.. but TGY might be right on this one: Bertans is a lowkey choker and too inconsistent for a shooter of his "deadly" reputation..
I'm the only one that calls this scrub for what he is. I don't get why everyone is so scared to criticize the bum. It's like Fathead 2.0 again. Posters too scared to say something because it's not popular and his advanced stats fucking lie like they always do.

[spursistan]

Replace this ugly cock sucker with Austin Daye and we have 5 more wins. Campaigning to get in the 3pt contest and then go to shoot 10/120 from three right after :lmao

a sign of mental fragility..

[Hoops Czar]

Matt Bonner 2.0

[spursistan]

Matt Bonner 2.0

Dude spiraled after that All-star snub like a mental midget..

There way too many 1-9 nights for this guy and coupled with the lack of any postseason moments (he's been here for 3 years now), it is really starting to get worrisome.

Bertans is gonna have to how me something these coming playoffs, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

People were actually comparing him to Horry :lol.

I’m not even a Davis hater or counting him out like what’s been said in this thread but jeez people, actually use those comparisons when it actually matters vs these pointless regular season games

[TheGreatYacht]

Dude shot 3/16 from three in the playoffs against Golden State and got rewarded a fat contract. He's really a tall Fatty Mills without the muscle

[spursistan]

Holy shit just look it up. He is shooting 32% FG and 30% 3PT post-All star break..:lmao..

[BlackAndWhite]

Why did his production collapse?

[BackHome]

He had a kid not getting enough Zzzzzz

[DAF86]

lol thinking this guy is even close to being a problem with this team. He's one of the few positives of this roster, tbh.

[spurraider21]

this dude fell off a cliff

[HarlemHeat37]

Bertans is a great late rotation guy, nothing to complain about..43% from 3 from your 8th/9th man is as good as it gets..

[slick'81]

Yea his and poodles offense has been mia lately

[TheGreatYacht]

At least folks here are realizing what he is quicker than they were with vending machine head. Glad I could help.

[spurraider21]

Bertans is a great late rotation guy, nothing to complain about..43% from 3 from your 8th/9th man is as good as it gets..
he was shooting ~35% in march

[ducks]

he was shooting ~35% in march

better then westbrook

[R. DeMurre]

Looks to me like people are exaggerating the shooting troubles of Bertans: in the month of February, he shot 41.7 3pt% and in the month of March shot 34.7%. In December he shot 57.1% after shooting 37.3% in November. Kinda just looks like the normal ups & downs of an NBA season.

[spursistan]

Pretty much a Matt Bonner 2.0 at this point :lol..

Dude was legit mentally broken by a fuckin' All-star snub..

[TheGreatYacht]

Might bump some idiotic posters when I have time. Don't ever come at the king.

This deformed ginger wouldn't have fans if he was black. Everyone would see him as the uglier Austin Daye that he is

[spursistan]

Might bump some idiotic posters when I have time. Don't ever come at the king.

This deformed ginger wouldn't have fans if he was black. Everyone would see him as the uglier Austin Daye that he is

Which good/elite shooter suddenly turns into Micheal Carter Williams and stays that way for three months? :lol

[Mugen]

Shitting on Bertans while Marco Belinelli is a thing and exists on this team :lmao

[GreekSpursfan]

From laser to a broken fucking slingshot.

[GreekSpursfan]

Shitting on Bertans while Marco Belinelli is a thing and exists on this team :lmao

You can shit on Belli tbh, one doesn't negate the other. They both suck right now.

[Mugen]

You can shit on Belli tbh, one doesn't negate the other. They both suck right now.

Yep, no doubt. But Beli sucked in 2014 as well and the FO decided to bring him back so who's the real culprit :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Marco at least hit a shot in the finals :lol

This deformed fuck didn't hit shit last year and still got brought back for 7M/yr

[spurraider21]

its not about bertans/marco/patty sucking... we know these guys are role players and not to be relied upon to be consistent performers. we win this game if white played better.

[TheGreatYacht]

its not about bertans/marco/patty sucking... we know these guys are role players and not to be relied upon to be consistent performers. we win this game if white played better.
$24,000,000 to players with no pressure to perform.... $34M if counting Gay.

No reason why White should hold more responsibility than 4 vets who are paid to teach the younger players.

Malone is trapping White the way OKC used to trap Parker. It's the shooters' jobs to make shots. They haven't all series.

[spurraider21]

We all know patty is overpaid as fuck. Makes nearly as much as the other two combined. But we expect more of white than Bertans Mills or Marco, salaries notwithstanding

[DAF86]

Ever since Pop started making Bertans the last guy off the bench, dude fell off. I doubt it's a coincidence, tbh.

Why folks like Belinelli, Mills or Forbes get more playing time than him will always be a mistery for me.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ever since Pop started making Bertans the last guy off the bench, dude fell off. I doubt it's a coincidence, tbh.

Why folks like Belinelli, Mills or Forbes get more playing time than him will always be a mistery for me.

military pecking order. Should be used to it by now

[spursistan]

I didn't think he would turn out to be such a small-time player, tbh..

Regular season gimmick ala Bonner....

[SpurPadre]

I'm so done with this Bonner Jr. motherfucker.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I'm so done with this Bonner Jr. motherfucker.

Ditto. He has had his chance and has failed.

[spursistan]

I'm so done with this Bonner Jr. motherfucker.

Yep..So fuckin' done with this bum until further notice..He could average 50% from 3 point in the regular season for all I care..

[DAF86]

Pop neutered him, tbh. From being the 6th man to barely seeing minutes. But of course with the season on the line we will be trotting the Mills/Belinelli duo for 25+ minutes.

[TheGreatYacht]

95% of posters are so scared to call this scrub out tbh.

[SuperCam]

Hes a ginger Austin Daye. End of story.

[spurraider21]

95% of posters are so scared to call this scrub out tbh.
just DAF tbh

[bklynspursfan]

Pop neutered him, tbh. From being the 6th man to barely seeing minutes. But of course with the season on the line we will be trotting the Mills/Belinelli duo for 25+ minutes.

He wasn't always the 6th man, Rudy would often be first off the bench. I've thought Davis should get more minutes too, but he's having a really tough time this series. He wasn't neutered, he's just in a tough matchup defensively, and guys are closing out on him at the 3 point line. His shooting fell off a cliff this series.

[RC_Drunkford]

trade him. 7 Million expiring, the Kings wanted him. He's easy to move and you should be able to get a good player back or move up in the draft

[spursistan]

trade him. 7 Million expiring, the Kings wanted him. He's easy to move and you should be able to get a good player back or move up in the draft

With every extra minute he plays in this series, he depreciates more as an asset. It is crazy how hard he's fallen after he got snubbed from All-Star 3PT shooting contest..

I don't think you can rely on player(s) this fragile mentally..

[cd98]

In fairness, Denver is the best team at defending the three. Every one of the Spurs sharpshooters are shooting like garbage. This just wasn't a good series for Bertans. If we'd played someone else in the first round, he might've done better. It's just a bad match up.

Belli didn't all of a sudden forget how to shoot. Denver's defense is impacting all these guys. It's not that they suck, it's that they aren't good enough to shoot over the best 3 point defensive team in the NBA.

[TheGreatYacht]

trade him. 7 Million expiring, the Kings wanted him. He's easy to move and you should be able to get a good player back or move up in the draft
Utah packaged their pick and Trey Lyles to move up and draft Mitchell tbh. The ginger Austin Daye can probably get us a good return.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bertans seems to have faced a tough matchup last year in the playoffs as well when he shat the bed. Also a ton of tough matchup every game after he got snubbed and he campaigned to be let in the 3pt Contest lol

[BackHome]

I like Bertans but I would not hesitate to trade him to move up in draft.

[spurraider21]

denver defends the 3 well, and when bertans is unable to play the 4, it hurts his effectiveness, as SF's have a much easier time closing guys out and defending the perimeter. it neuters bertans' advantage.

DAF just seems to have this personal, vested interest that bertans gets minutes and plays well...

[slick'81]

Man what happend to davis?

[phxspurfan]

Bert is fine, stop overreacting to 5 games. He's tall/lanky and can shoot. He has a role in today's NBA. For the right price, he's a great asset to come off the bench. Just needs to continue developing and knowing he belongs and he will be a good role player.

[spursistan]

Damn..Officially Out of the rotation..

He completely collapsed after that All Star snub. I can't even blame Pop here; he isn't to blame when player of his freezes up like that..

[DAF86]

I still think he should see minutes over Mills/Beli (even Forbes, although Bryn has been good this series) but it's whatever at this point.

[Mugen]

He hasn't been able to guard Beasley unfortunately. I like Pop going with the two bigs more, unfortunately that squeezes Davis out of the rotation.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Been high on Bertans all year, but he's been Bonnerriffic since the games became more important. Disappointing tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

I still think he should see minutes over Mills/Beli (even Forbes, although Bryn has been good this series) but it's whatever at this point.

Motherfucker I know you firmly have this dude's dick down your throat and I know Mills and Belli have been really awful but you do understand what positions are right? And no, I'm not talking about the differnet ways Bertans bends you over.

[ElNono]

Motherfucker I know you firmly have this dude's dick down your throat and I know Mills and Belli have been really awful but you do understand what positions are right? And no, I'm not talking about the differnet ways Bertans bends you over.

:lol I already tried to talk him out of it, but he got too invested in this schtick

[Coach X]

I totally disagree with Popovich here. I don't understand why Forbes, Mills, Belinelli deserve extra oportunities despite their terrible defense and, some times, erratic shooting but Bertans can't play a single minute.

And then Popovich complains about defensive rebound and rim protection. What about replacing small guards with a 6'10 guy? That might help.

[timvp]

Where did this rumor start that Bertans is capable of defending guards?

[r0drig0lac]

Motherfucker I know you firmly have this dude's dick down your throat and I know Mills and Belli have been really awful but you do understand what positions are right? And no, I'm not talking about the differnet ways Bertans bends you over.

lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Good riddance. Great adjustment by Pop here tbh. Let me replace that idiot Messina on the bench. I tell it how it is.

[DAF86]

Motherfucker I know you firmly have this dude's dick down your throat and I know Mills and Belli have been really awful but you do understand what positions are right? And no, I'm not talking about the differnet ways Bertans bends you over.

I know that, besides having the entire Spurs' organization deep down your ass, you aren't the most knowledgeable poster in here, but yeah, I know about positions, more than you do.

Bertans is a wing, same as Belinelli and Mills.

Now, you will probably say:

1) Mills is a PG.

2) Bertans is a PF.

1) No, Mills isn't a PG, he's a midget SG. And the Spurs would be better off staggering White and DeRozan's minutes so that they are the only two main ball-hanlders at all times.

2) Bertans is a SF, that's the position he has played all his life and it's the position he should have played in this series since he can't keep up with Millsap and/or Plumlee. And before using the easy, lame and incorrect argument "he can't defend perimeter players", well, let me ask you: who would you rather have out there for defensive purposes on perimeter players: Bertans or Mills/Belinelli?

Everybody shitting on Bertans on this series, but the dude is still posting some of the best on/off metrics of the entire team. Unless that stat gives extra pts for being red headed, you gotta realize there's something he does well out there. And it isn't a fluke either. He has been posting these positive impact stats since he got to the NBA.

[DAF86]

Where did this rumor start that Bertans is capable of defending guards?

In comparisson to Mills and Belinelli? Since each of these players were conceived, tbh.

lol at imagining Mills or Belinelli on this situation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4rlvz07eok

[GreekSpursfan]

Bertrans should remain in the doghouse until he starts to defend properly again.

[John B]

I’d rather put Bertans than Mills tbh. His length at least would bother Murray and the other guards. He has rebounding, improved ball handling and deceptive help defense. Just don’t play him PF. Millsap/Plumlee would impregnate him. On 2nd unit I’d keep White/Demar every time, and play Beli, Bertans, Gay, Poeltl/Aldridge. I’d keep White/Demar, Aldridge/Poeltl all the time. It’s game 7. We cannot afford defensive liabilities out there.

[spurraider21]

what do you guys think DAF prioritizes more? the spurs getting a win or bertans getting 20+ minutes

[DAF86]

what do you guys think DAF prioritizes more? the spurs getting a win or bertans getting 20+ minutes

The first option, pretty clearly, that's why, with this roster, I want Bertans to play 20+ minutes.

[spurraider21]

The first option, pretty clearly, that's why, with this roster, I want Bertans to play 20+ minutes.
:lol even when trying to convince us its #1, you still say #2

[Floyd Pacquiao]

It does seem that bertans has better perimeter defense than Marco.

[Shakril]

Bertans had his chances in the series and blew them all. In Game 7 you dont experiment anymore. Both Teams will play with a sense of urgency and paly their best players as much as possible. Bertans fell out of the Rotation at least for this Series, righfully so.

[DAF86]

:lol even when trying to convince us its #1, you still say #2

Because #1 is a result of #2, tbh.

[paperboy77]

Love Bertans but if him sitting = a win then keep sitting him. Start g7 the same way until it doesn’t work.

[DAF86]

Bertans had his chances in the series and blew them all. In Game 7 you dont experiment anymore. Both Teams will play with a sense of urgency and paly their best players as much as possible. Bertans fell out of the Rotation at least for this Series, righfully so.

Yeah, after game 6, it would be weird to insert Bertans back in. Unless something unpredicted happens.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Bertans will be traded in the offseason.

[Strategic]

I think Davis got plenty of chances to show. It looked like Pop decided that it was either him or Beli. Can’t play them together in this series.

[BD24]

Denver’s a poor matchup for him. He will have a more favorable matchup next round if spurs advance.

[DAF86]

I'm so glad Belinelli retained his rotation player spot over Bertans, tbh. It's not like one or two threes here and there would have made a difference. Or a defensive stop for that matter.

[DAF86]

Brooks playing Bertans like Pop should have always played him: 30 mpg (most of them at SF) and calling plays for him coming off screens. Result: a career high 16 ppg.

[GAustex]

Brooks playing Bertans like Pop should have always played him: 30 mpg (most of them at SF) and calling plays for him coming off screens. Result: a career high 16 ppg.
Pop mishandled Davis. He’s a sf. Pop forced him to be a PF. No d at either position though.

[Play Boban]

Poop is a moron

[horseshue]

Havent seen any of wizards games, but just by looking at score, do they play any defence at all? 159-158 without OT, that is crazy.

[ChumpDumper]

Brooks playing Bertans like Pop should have always played him: 30 mpg (most of them at SF) and calling plays for him coming off screens. Result: a career high 16 ppg.Agenda activated.

[DAF86]

Agenda activated.

Definition of "agenda": a secret aim or reason for doing something.

Where in the fuck I'm being secretive about the way I think Pop should have used Bertans? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Definition of "agenda": a secret aim or reason for doing something.

Where in the fuck I'm being secretive about the way I think Pop should have used Bertans? :lol:lol where are you getting that definition?

That's not the only one.

[DAF86]

:lol where are you getting that definition?

Is is Spanish?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/agenda

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/agenda: a list or outline of things to be considered or done

[timtonymanu]

Would have been alleviated if Morris didn’t bitch out. But considering the current state now, I wish they traded Beli instead. That way Davis would have been starting. Lonnie would get minutes and Lyles gets 12th man duties.

[timvp]

Bertans has been playing strictly power forward in Washington, tbh.

[DAF86]

: a list or outline of things to be considered or done

Ok, let's imagine for a minute that's the meaning you intended. Why single me out when everytime someone starts a thread or makes a comment on a message board isliterally to bring attention to that topic and discuss it? :lol

[DAF86]

Bertans has been playing strictly power forward in Washington, tbh.

wizards top 5 unit is Smith/IT, Beal, Bertans, Hachimura, Bryant. Bertans is the SF there and Hachimura the PF.

[ChumpDumper]

Ok, let's imagine for a minute that's the meaning you intended.Why pretend?
That's it.


Why single me out when everytime someone starts a thread or makes a comment on a message board is to literally bring attention to that topic and discuss it? :lolIt's fun with you since you whine about it.

You're going to be sniffing his boxscores for years to come.:lol

[timvp]

wizards top 5 unit is Smith/IT, Beal, Bertans, Hachimura, Bryant. Bertans is the SF there and Hachimura the PF.

Hachimura is a natural three who plays the three in that lineup.

[DAF86]

Why pretend?
That's it.

It's fun with you since you whine about it.

You're going to be sniffing his boxscores for years to come.:lol

Ok, sure thing son. :lol

[GAustex]

May not matter but I recall DDR guarding Davis and Lyles guarding Hachimira

[DAF86]

Hachimura is a natural three who plays the three in that lineup.

Wizards starting lineup:

Smith, Bonga, Beal, Hachimura, Bryant.

Is Hachimura the SF there? Who's the PF?

In the closing minutes Bertans was guarding Gordon and Hachimura was guarding Tucker. But, yeah, Bertans was the PF and Hachimura the SF.

[GAustex]

Davis did pretty good that one playoff against golden state guarding Klay Thompson
For Davis anyway

[ChumpDumper]

Ok, sure thing son. :lol:lol don't whine more when I point it out the next time, son.

[DAF86]

:lol don't whine more when I point it out the next time, son.

Point out what? When I make a comment on a message board? Ok. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Point out what? When I make a comment on a message board? Ok. :lolAbout this same topic again. And again. And again. Ok. :lol

[DAF86]

About this same topic again. And again. And again. Ok. :lol

Yeah, It's almost as if people tend to care more about some topics than others. What a eye opening revelation. :wow

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, It's almost as if people tend to care more about some topics than others. What a eye opening revelation. :wowSome to the exclusion of almost everything else. :wow
For no reason. :wow
He gone. :wow
F:wowrever.

[DAF86]

Some to the exclusion of almost everything else. :wow
For no reason. :wow
He gone. :wow
Forever. :wow

Sure, because I don't argue White, Murray, DeRozan, Aldridge, Kawhi, NBA in general, NFL, Soccer, etc, etc, etc. :lol

[Play Boban]

Wizards starting lineup:

Smith, Bonga, Beal, Hachimura, Bryant.

Is Hachimura the SF there? Who's the PF?

In the closing minutes Bertans was guarding Gordon and Hachimura was guarding Tucker. But, yeah, Bertans was the PF and Hachimura the SF.
gotta hold poop’s water tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, because I don't argue White, Murray, DeRozan, Aldridge, Kawhi, NBA in general, NFL, Soccer, etc, etc, etc. :lolLike I said, don't whine, etc., etc., etc. :lol

[DAF86]

BTW, pathological internet arguer mode activated.

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, pathological internet arguer mode activated.Yeah, I don't know why you activated your mode there. I just made an observation and laughed at you.

[DAF86]

Yeah, I don't know why you activated your mode there. I just made an observation and laughed at you.

100 k + posts. :lol

And I can only imagine the amount you have with other accounts. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

100 k + posts. :lol

And I can only imagine the amount you have with other accounts. :lol:lol it's easy when a lot are just mocking people like you who get pissy about it and desperate to change the subject. :lol

[DAF86]

Ok, bro. After this post I'm gonna let you have the last word so that you can move on, because I know it physically hurts you not to have it.

Good night and keep on living that succesful life of yours. :tu

[K...]

By all means, let's have the kid with no knees who is at best ok driving to the basket be the sf, the heir to kawhi leonard.


I mean when you lose your job to kyle "I'll start shooting next year" Anderson it says something about your value.

It's fine to miss bert, but don't act like he's a starting quality guy for a western playoff team (at st or pf) or that he's A young prospect (Like lyle s and samanic)

[Kurgan]

Brooks playing Bertans like Pop should have always played him: 30 mpg (most of them at SF) and calling plays for him coming off screens. Result: a career high 16 ppg.

Pop and the Spurs play archaic, mid-range ball. As long as the dictator and his crew of yes men are calling the shots, players like Bertans(three point shooters) will never fit in here. It's amazing how much Bertans' game improved once he left Pop's garbage system. 19 PER and 4.2 bpm. Makes sense why no player wants to play for a loser like Pop whose ideas about basketball have never evolved past the mid-2000s.

[Fireball]

Pop and the Spurs play archaic, mid-range ball. As long as the dictator and his crew of yes men are calling the shots, players like Bertans(three point shooters) will never fit in here. It's amazing how much Bertans' game improved once he left Pop's garbage system. 19 PER and 4.2 bpm. Makes sense why no player wants to play for a loser like Pop whose ideas about basketball have never evolved past the mid-2000s.

Pops loves guys who can shoot the three. But he wanted Morris who stretches the floor, rebounds and defends. The latter two things are not what Davis does. Now he excels on a team which is projected to be average to bad. What a revelation.

[Seventyniner]

Bertans has been playing strictly power forward in Washington, tbh.

And he hasn't started a game yet. Stupid thread bump by OP.

[Genovaswitness]

bertans is still ass

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He's still not a defender or a rebounder. But he looks pretty good when that 3 is falling. Whenever the Rockets actually tried defended him he wasn't hitting that 3 ball. A little bit of the "Bonner Effect"...put some pressure on him and watch that make percentage shrivel.

[Mugen]

He's still not a defender or a rebounder. But he looks pretty good when that 3 is falling. Whenever the Rockets actually tried defended him he wasn't hitting that 3 ball. A little bit of the "Bonner Effect"...put some pressure on him and watch that make percentage shrivel.

:lol Reminds me of 2 other players getting heavy minutes on the squad tbh

[rjv]

the bertans trade is working its way up the list of worst trades in the buford era.

[K...]

the bertans trade is working its way up the list of worst trades in the buford era.

You do agree that the trade for Morris was a good trade? So your mean Morris's bdumbasseness is the worst, which is still a stretch.

The real effective trade is lylea/Carrol which is TBD but so far looks at worse like a wash, trading spacing for defense and rebounding

[rjv]

You do agree that the trade for Morris was a good trade? So your mean Morris's bdumbasseness is the worst, which is still a stretch.

The real effective trade is lylea/Carrol which is TBD but so far looks at worse like a wash, trading spacing for defense and rebounding

i should have said "the most botched trade". it'd be nice if lyles could let us know whether he can shoot or not.

[BackHome]

Lyles reminds Poop of Fat Head he probably still thinks he is on the team as to why he is starting
1. Decent Rebounding
2. Decent Vision
3. Decent Ball control
4. Doesn’t or Can’t shoot the ball

[FkLA]

I miss my nigga Bert :(

[DAF86]

And he hasn't started a game yet. Stupid thread bump by OP.

He plays 30 mpg. He is a top 5 player on the team. Thing which should have happened with the Spurs too.

[Mugen]

Good for Davis tbh. He gets to show out on a shitty team.

He was always held to a different standard as other "shooters" on the team (unsurprisingly) as evidenced by last year's playoffs. His mins were cut almost immediately after he was shooting bad while losers like Beli and Patty were given a green light and heavy minutes despite them both being absolutely fucking terrible from outside the entire series :lol

[SAGirl]

I feel like Davis has a better chance of entering that 3 pt contest elsewhere. he's in a contract year too. At this point, I think he is in a better position for his career. He wasn't going to play much in this Spurs. He Still would be between 8th and 10th in the rotation if he was in the team I think. Look at Demarre Carroll.

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[CGD]

I miss my nigga Bert :(

[DAF86]

My man needs more shots, tbh. He's the best shooter on the team yet he's 8th on shots attempted per game? Something isn't right, tbh.


I'm cool with him taking mostly threes. the Basketball Gods knows we need all the threes we can take. The thing is he needs to take more. We have one of the best 5 shooters in the entire World and he's averaging 5 shots per game. Pop needs to start calling some more plays for him coming off screens.


Well, then the coaching staff should do something to feed him at the right spots. This guy isn't no Matt Bonner, he has one of the quickest triggers in the World, it shouldn't be that difficult to get him some more looks.


Like Klay, like Korver, like Reddick. This is the type of role Bertans should have. Advanced metrics have proven that having these type of players on these type of roles is one of the best weapons you can have for an offense. We have one of the few guys that can pull this off, yet we underutilize him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnOXYypih8

Drawn up plays for Bertans coming off screens. :cry

[Yogatti]

Contract Year Bertans >>> Kevin Love

[DAF86]

Good riddance. Great adjustment by Pop here tbh. Let me replace that idiot Messina on the bench. I tell it how it is.

How bad do you have to see basketball to be a fucking edge lord but still side with Pop regarding Bertans? :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

thank god we have Carroll instead of him now to warm the bench. Another genius move by PATFO. Bertans was traded to bring in Morris, but he actually got traded for Carroll

[horseshue]

First career double double. And 20 fga. Someone is gonna seriously overpay in the next offsesson for him. He's got all the freedom in the world right now.

[spurraider21]

He has played 0 minutes as SF just btw

[DAF86]

He has played 0 minutes as SF just btw

lol what? :lol He has played so much SF that BB pages are listing him as that now.

https://www.espn.in/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans

[spurraider21]

lol what? :lol He has played so much SF that BB pages are listing him as that now.

https://www.espn.in/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans
BB reference tracks it. I trust that more than a player profile. Do we know for certain what ESPN had him listed as the past few seasons?

[SAGirl]

With as much as Pop protects minutes allocated to shooters in this team and having had favorites such as Bonner in the past, it remained puzzling to me Pop’s reluctance to play Davis more.

In 2016-17 when Kawhi made his move to sit out the season, Rudy Gay also missed a good chunk of time with bursitis (people now forget that) and Danny was injured at times that season too. Pop played Anderson (who also was injured for a time), and Bryn as wings. It puzzled me then that Pop didn’t play Davis as much. In fact it wasn’t until around February or March of that season when they suspected Kawhi wasn’t coming back for the rest of the season, that Davis got playing time. He was going to be a FA that summer so I thought, sneaky CIA Pop move to keep Davis from exploding in the FA market bc they wanted to re-sign him.

They did sign him in the summer but having let go of both Danny and Kyle, while adding only Marco to the wing crew (and rook Lonnie Walker who was destined for his token gleague stint), Pop still kept Davis in the deep bench to start the season and he still oscillated in role. It always felt to me that he should have gotten at least as many opportunities as Bryn got.

[Coach X]

Surprise surprise, Davis Bertans is a SHOOTING forward not a POWER forward.

The SF the Spurs need starting is playing in Washington. What a miss by PATFO

By the way: F*****g Morris

[DAF86]

BB reference tracks it. I trust that more than a player profile. Do we know for certain what ESPN had him listed as the past few seasons?

BB position tracker is bullshit, tbh. If Bertans and Hachimura share the court they will say that Bertans plays PF while the rookie plays SF, when it's actually the other way around.

[DAF86]

Also, yeah, Bertans was listed as PF last year on ESPN.

[paperboy77]

Frakken sux man! Davis is having a great year. All these guys need is playing time! Very few players are elite under any circumstance.. the rest just need support and PT. You are damn right the guy will fetch a low first rounder. Which college player today is guaranteed to give what hes doing?

[GB20]

I think bertan needed the right coach to get him loose. Can you imagine what Walker would do if he has a long leash?

[spurraider21]

I think bertan needed the right coach to get him loose. Can you imagine what Walker would do if he has a long leash?
horry also complained about pop overcoaching players and forcing them to fit into a box instead of doing what they do. manu is the only guy i've actually seen off the leash

[r0drig0lac]

I think bertan needed the right coach to get him loose. Can you imagine what Walker would do if he has a long leash?

Playing at a faster pace in a system that does not have as its main function to feed a post player. This is what really helped Bertans.

[DAF86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGIiom8WQbA

[DAF86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGIiom8WQbA

Notice how the score gets closer when Bertans gets into the game. Pop screwed up big time by not realizing the type of player he had in his hands, tbh.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Not sure the SF/PF argument really matters, depending on matchups with a Bertans/Hachimura lineup. I think a lot of it has to do with who is playing with/around him. When he is paired with Hachimura (his size/athleticsm makes him a versatile defender) it allows the Wizards to choose who Bertans defends (SF/PF) based on matchups. So at times he is playing SF in offensive sets, but defending PF on other side, while also sometimes playing SF at both ends, & occasionally playing PF on both side of the ball. Funniest thing about ESPN Wizard's roster is listing Moritz Wagner as a SF

Bigger issue is I don't think the Spurs roster allowed same flexibility, although maybe it could have this year with Demare/Bertans. Most likely still wouldn't have been great as Demarre has mostly looked like he has lost step or two

[JeffDuncan]

...

Bigger issue is I don't think the Spurs roster allowed same flexibility, although maybe it could have this year with Demare/Bertans. Most likely still wouldn't have been great as Demarre has mostly looked like he has lost step or two

A step? Demarre looks like he's lost a leg or two.

[pookenstein]

I bet Davis will get a place in this seasons 3pt contest.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Last 5 games 25, 19, 25, 21 and 20.

[spurraider21]

Notice how the score gets closer when Bertans gets into the game. Pop screwed up big time by not realizing the type of player he had in his hands, tbh.
yep

its not just the minutes, either, he generally has much more of a green light in washington. he's only 7 more minutes per game than last year but his 3PA are nearly doubled. he's been even more accurate, too.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's averaging 14.9 points per game, his 3-point attempts have doubled and his shooting percentage still increased, shooting 46.4% on 3s. Impressive what good coaching can do to players.

:pop: "Davis I want you to tell Marco that he's better than you"

[slick'81]

Well atleast we got trey lyles

[DAF86]

I'm just baffled at what is that Pop sees that he has no problem giving a limited guy like Forbes 35 minutes per game despite awful metrics in both offense and defense (untill this season, where he's being a plus on O. Not as much as Bertans though) but keeps treating a clearly more influential player like Bertans like a fucking scrub.


If you can't understand why Forbes is playing and not Bertans, I don't know what to tell you. It's really freaking obvious. Anyways, Bryn has better impact stats than Davis does. No idea where you're getting contrary information.

This is the type of sniffing mentality that got us to this point, tbh.

[sasaint]

He's averaging 14.9 points per game, his 3-point attempts have doubled and his shooting percentage still increased, shooting 46.4% on 3s. Impressive what good coaching can do to players.

:pop: "Davis I want you to tell Marco that he's better than you"

:lol

[UZER]

This is the type of sniffing mentality that got us to this point, tbh.

:lol The condescending arrogance they post with.

[SpursDynasty85]

Bertans was shooting lights out in the middle of the season for the Spurs too then went through a dry spell later in the season. Wins and losses wise, Spurs were a playoff contender and Wizards are still losing. He's a great shooter but he's not moving the needle enough for me to be completely devastated. Morris screwed us over more. Still excited to see if we make the playoffs this year and if not, our forst lottery pick in ages!

[duncan2k5]

Bertans was shooting lights out in the middle of the season for the Spurs too then went through a dry spell later in the season. Wins and losses wise, Spurs were a playoff contender and Wizards are still losing. He's a great shooter but he's not moving the needle enough for me to be completely devastated. Morris screwed us over more. Still excited to see if we make the playoffs this year and if not, our forst lottery pick in ages!

by ur logic, we should never want a player that plays on a team that doesnt have a winning record? so we should automatically eliminate half the players in the league from consideration and half the teams in the league...so no way in hell we should want ppl like Ja Morant on our team...or any player from the Magic, Kings, etc

[SpursDynasty85]

by ur logic, we should never want a player that plays on a team that doesnt have a winning record? so we should automatically eliminate half the players in the league from consideration and half the teams in the league...so no way in hell we should want ppl like Ja Morant on our team...or any player from the Magic, Kings, etc

You jumped from 3 to 10 real quick. I'm just saying losing Bertans sucks but I'm not devastated by it. Even if he was on this team, he would not move the needle that much I think. We have more gaping holes in the defense, which he wouldn't help much with.

[Yogatti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcIVWfBxLQA

[UZER]

Bertans is playing/shooting like I wish he would’ve with the Spurs.

But we all know role players in SA are always walking a tightrope with Pop. They’re always looking over their shoulder for the yank (except coaches pets). What’s worse, a lot of times they are played out of position because Pop is trying to square peg round hole them. Not really their fault.

[Noey7448]

Bertrans is shooting great on a team scoring a ton but on a team that is dead last in def and has a record worse than ours. We are one of top scoring offenses but one of worst def teams. He would not have helped us. What we need is more def not more offense. Dont get me wrong I'd rather have him than Forbes just due to size but think the results woulda still been the same and losing him for Morris was an absolute no brainer at the time. Who knew Morris was gonna screw us like that.

[LurkingSpursFan]

Bertrans is shooting great on a team scoring a ton but on a team that is dead last in def and has a record worse than ours. We are one of top scoring offenses but one of worst def teams. He would not have helped us. What we need is more def not more offense. Dont get me wrong I'd rather have him than Forbes just due to size but think the results woulda still been the same and losing him for Morris was an absolute no brainer at the time. Who knew Morris was gonna screw us like that.

Absolutely, Bertans was unplayable in the playoffs last year due to his defense. Millsap was killing him everytime he guarded him. He is still an upgrade over Mills and Forbes.

[Ocotillo]

The new Scola.

[Sugus]

The new Scola.

Bertans wishes he was that good, and I like Davis.

[Leetonidas]

Bertans with 32 and 9 in 30 mins on 8-12 from 3. Lol we gave this dude up for nothing

[GAustex]

Pop just could not figure out how to use Davis effectively.

[Rosewood]

:cry It hurts...

[CGD]

Good for him. And F Morris

[Yogatti]

"We don't need Bertans cause he sucks on defense"

Imagine saying this when Bellini and Mills play major minutes on this team. Fucking retarded sniffers :lmao

[spurraider21]

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[JeffDuncan]

Bertans with 32 and 9 in 30 mins on 8-12 from 3. Lol we gave this dude up for nothing

The rest of the Wiz went 3 for 23 on threes, and that killed them.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The one thing nobody can get around is that Bert is shooting .452 from 3P, on 8.5 attempts per game. His team isn't putting the ball through the rim for him. Is it a fluke? Is he more motivated? Or just being used more effectively?

Nah - two things nobody can get around. The other is that we have fucking Belinelli, who managed to improve his 3P% to .333 with a single 4-5 performance, because his volume has been so low. Bertans would probably only be getting 3.0 attempts if he was on this team. Maybe less, because he's be sharing minutes with Beli.

[DC23]

Damn this hurts to watch.

[ChumpDumper]

He would be useful but he gone.

Now what?

[UZER]

Pop just could not figure out how to use Davis effectively.

But that’s Davis’ fault.

-sniffer

[ZeusWillJudge]

He would be useful but he gone.

Now what?


LOL. Hard to argue with. This season, now nothing.

[GAustex]

But that’s Davis’ fault.

-sniffer
Never mind

[UZER]

Never mind

I wasn’t directing that at you specifically. I agree with your comment.

I’m saying the sniffers are going out of their way in this thread to say Bertans going 8/12 would be useless to the Spurs because he doesn’t play defense.

So many players on this roster can’t play defense. But we know Pop ain’t trading culture Patty, or his little engine that could Forbes. They can’t rebound, they can’t run a fast break, they can’t block shots. They also can’t shoot like Bertans and aren’t big enough to get their shot off against pretty much anyone. But Bertans had to go because of his defense and rebound issues, even though Pop was playing him out of position.

[GAustex]

I wasn’t directing that at you specifically. I agree with your comment.

I’m saying the sniffers are going out of their way in this thread to say Bertans going 8/12 would be useless to the Spurs because he doesn’t play defense.

So many players on this roster can’t play defense. But we know Pop ain’t trading culture Patty, or his little engine that could Forbes. They can’t rebound, they can’t run a fast break, they can’t block shots. They also can’t shoot like Bertans and aren’t big enough to get their shot off against pretty much anyone. But Bertans had to go because of his defense and rebound issues, even though Pop was playing him out of position.
Uz I originally protested being called a sniffer but when I figured out the ~ I edited
My post to nvm
Too bad Davis and Pop could not figure out how to be effective. I think Davis as SF was the answer.

[horseshue]

Morris was supposed to be a 15+5 third option guy. Davis is averaging 15,7+4,7 as for now. Well done poop.

[XDT76]

Uz I originally protested being called a sniffer but when I figured out the ~ I edited
My post to nvm
Too bad Davis and Pop could not figure out how to be effective. I think Davis as SF was the answer.

Agreed, playing Davis at SF and DDR back to SG would be better regardless of who the other 3 guys are.

[venitian navigator]

probably f.o. thought hey had to choose between Davis and Forbes...and choose the latter. You can't hide everybody on defense and both were and actually are, clear liablities in that sense. The difference, and the reason I preferred Davis over Forbes, is that Davis has some qualities that you can't teach...like lenght. Just for that reason he can be, imho, a volume three point shooter with a high percentage and a more than decent cutter using his advantage over smaller people that use to play the G/SF role...something really valuable in these days and something Forbes probably will never be (volume 3 p shooter) or be able to become (cutter with high percentage) just because, also if his shooting form is perfect, he's not fast enough nor a ball handler enough to overcome his lenght deficit.

[gambit1990]

PATFO traded the wrong spur.

[XDT76]

probably f.o. thought hey had to choose between Davis and Forbes...and choose the latter. You can't hide everybody on defense and both were and actually are, clear liablities in that sense. The difference, and the reason I preferred Davis over Forbes, is that Davis has some qualities that you can't teach...like lenght. Just for that reason he can be, imho, a volume three point shooter with a high percentage and a more than decent cutter using his advantage over smaller people that use to play the G/SF role...something really valuable in these days and something Forbes probably will never be (volume 3 p shooter) or be able to become (cutter with high percentage) just because, also if his shooting form is perfect, he's not fast enough nor a ball handler enough to overcome his lenght deficit.

I gotta disagree with you there, the likely reason is the salary of forbes is not enough to sign Carroll. On a more serious note, PATFO probably thought that Carroll could handle the SF and Morris the PF, which turns out to be pretty far away from the actual situation.

[Beartrucci]

Nothing like losing the best spot up shooter in the NBA who’s 6’10” for nothing because you wanted to sign a low character individual who fucked you over immediately. Good times

[XDT76]

They got screwed over twice, on the hindside PAFTO should just sign Lyles this past summer and call it done.

[anon]

Dude is having a career year. Doing stepback treys now. Isos. Even hit a fundamental fadeaway 2. Beal is deferring to him in clutch time. Drawing fucking double teams in set plays. His name has entered the 6MoY conversation among the senior talking heads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylHBEYa3Q3g

:lol Pop
:lol Putting players in positions to win
:lol World-class scouting and drafting
:lol Wasted on-court talent
:lol Spacing has been an issue since Aldridge became centerpiece
:lol Midget Bros. and Beli will fix the spacing
:lol Team doesn't need a 6'10'' sniper in his prime at a cheap contract

[r0drig0lac]

he would have done it on any team except in the iso aldridge/demar system.

[vander]

It's just been one disaster after another ever since Zaza

[Mugen]

:lol He would have seen less minutes than Forbes/Patty this year with this coach tbh....

Happy for him though, he's killing it outside of San Antonio as many predicted and the Wizards aren't even that much worse than the Spurs...

Washington should get a nice 1st rounder for him this season and Davis should be paid next summer. Meanwhile, the Spurs are probably going to back up the brinks truck for Bryn Fucking Forbes :lmao

[DAF86]

He would be useful but he gone.

Now what?

Now the Spurs organization needs to do a mea culpa and analyze why folks on message boards, that have never been even close to Spurs' practices, have a clearer picture of the capacities of their players (or in this case, ex player) than their HoF coach; so that these mistakes don't repeat themselves in the future.

We are going kinda through the same thing right now with the overplaying of guys like Forbes, Mills and Bellinelli instead of the bigger ceiling guys like White, Murray and Walker.

[Drom John]

Among qualified 3pt shooters, the current leaders in 3P%:

1. .516 George Hill
3. .484 Marcus Morris
5. .465 Davis Bertans
21. .422 Aron Baynes
29. .416 Patty Mills
46. .398 Danny Green
68. .378 JaMychal Greene
89. .362 Bryn Forbes

[exstatic]

"We don't need Bertans cause he sucks on defense"

Imagine saying this when Bellini and Mills play major minutes on this team. Fucking retarded sniffers :lmao

Now, turn that around for all of the bitchers pining for Davis, when he's really just a 6'10" no defense playin' version of Forbes.

We're in the top 10 for Ortg, and the bottom 3 for Drtg. How much would Davis really help?