Derrick White

[FkLA]

Dude needs a ST nickname ASAP, tbh.

[SpursDynasty85]

LMA - Gay - DeMar - White - Dejounte

Poeltl - Bertans - Lonnie - Forbes

With Belinellis time as a placeholder coming to an end. Im expecting him to be dealt since:
A) They are higher on Lonnie than any player theyve drafted in a long time. He will play.
B) Mills aint going anywhere.

Mills being demoted to the 3rd guard off the bench.

Stagger White & DeMar at all times after the initial 6-7 minutes of each half together.

It will be fair competition and next year Lonnie probably doesn't out compete Belinelli. Mill/Belli are playing ridiculously well together. They are one of the top reasons we are doing well as of late (bench play).

[SpursDynasty85]

that's assuming gay is brought back. i think if you're going to start murray and demar, then you need to start bertans. even though gay's outside shot has been a nice surprise this year, he doesn't provide the same spacing bertans does. and i dont think gay's shooting is sustainable.

Gay's next contract is very interesting. When healthy and spry this guy is easily worth $15M. When not healthy and/or playing immobile he is a boarderline rotation player. He is getting up there in age now too. It would be hard to reward him with anything big per year. I can see a longterm budget friendly number like 3 yrs 18-20M but if he wants more then I think Spurs should let him walk. Metu is not ready so we really would need a PF in this upcoming free agency. If we can pull a bigger, mobile, stretch 4 playing these 3 gaurd line ups (Spurs have so many guards) would make a lot more sense too.

[MaNu4Tres]

It will be fair competition and next year Lonnie probably doesn't out compete Belinelli. Mill/Belli are playing ridiculously well together. They are one of the top reasons we are doing well as of late (bench play).

Nah Poeltls roll gravity & Bertans lighting the world on fire are the main reasons along with Forbes, DeMar, or Derrick doing what they do when one is staggered w the 2nd group. Mills/ Belinelli have been more inconsistent.

[TimmyBuckets]

That way the bench would almost mirror the SL in terms of construction:

Murray/White - defensive ace PG
Forbes/Mills - Undersized shooting guard
DeRozan/Belinelli - SG playing SF
Gay/Bertans - stretch 4
Aldridge/Poeltl - bigman

That's probably the way Pop will go about it. I would prefer a 3 and D SF to insert on the starting lineup and for Walker to become a contributor next season.

Ya I can see that. I would prefer White starting but then that's 3 guys handling the ball. Defensively it makes sense for him to start for SL, but offensively it might not. He actually would fit better with the bench. He can def play a 6th man role, but I feel like he should still get a lot of minutes, equal to DJ, Demar.

[TD 21]

For obvious reasons, I'd be surprised if Murray-Forbes isn't the starting back court next season. As DAF86 alluded to, outside of SF, they'd essentially have players who can fill the same role (if play it differently stylistically) on both units. Basically, what they had from '12-'15, particularly in the back court.


I doubt they dump Belinelli (they gave him 2 years after drafting Walker and it's not like it wasn't known beforehand that he's a high ceiling prospect) and don't see them splurging on an SF because there's already 6 rotation players from 1-3 and that's not including Walker, who they'll more than likely want to play minutes whenever any one of those 6 can't.

Basically, Murray/White will fill the guard/wing defender role, unless it's a big wing that they physically can't handle. Then it'll fall to a combination of Gay and whoever fills the Cunningham role.

[RC_Drunkford]

In an ideal scenario you move Mills and let Forbes play his role off the bench. Get a 3-and-D SF and play him with the starters in place of Forbes. Gay should be resigned for like 2 years 10-12 million per

[Chinook]

Dude needs a ST nickname ASAP, tbh.

Phathead or Thicchead.

[Emperor]

Phathead or Thicchead.

Or the new HOTS? ;)

[Noey7448]

White Chocolate!

[SpursDynasty85]

Nah Poeltls roll gravity & Bertans lighting the world on fire are the main reasons along with Forbes, DeMar, or Derrick doing what they do when one is staggered w the 2nd group. Mills/ Belinelli have been more inconsistent.

You are drastically underestimating Mills and Belli's leadership on that bench. Movement, rhythm, spacing has their footprints all over it. Poeltl and Bertans have the most physical gifts but they are the ones benefitting from Mills and Belli running these sets in near perfect precision.

[FkLA]

Phathead or Thicchead.

4-Head

[Seventyniner]

4-Head

Winner.

Even better if you watch Twitch streams.

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[MaNu4Tres]

You are drastically underestimating Mills and Belli's leadership on that bench. Movement, rhythm, spacing has their footprints all over it. Poeltl and Bertans have the most physical gifts but they are the ones benefitting from Mills and Belli running these sets in near perfect precision.

Mills & Belinelli have been helpful for sure, but their impact has been very spotty this year. Bertans & Poeltl have been more impactful. Stats & eye test agree with my notion.

[Drom John]

Indeed. I really wanted a big in that draft, so Bell and Bolden still being on the board stung. But I started to change my tune when RC said in the post-draft interview that they thought White had untapped athletic potential. That's really what sets Derrick apart from those steady low-ceiling guards that hover between the d-league and NBA like Archidiacono. You take an intangibles/skills guy and tell me he has above-average athleticism, and you've got me intrigued.

I just checked the Think Tank.
I wanted Monte Morris.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I don't know why but I expect the color commentary to say "White Power" every time he scores a bucket

[spurraider21]

Winner.

Even better if you watch Twitch streams.

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Kappa

[in2deep]

Sucks

[DAF86]

Sucks

You suck.

[HarlemHeat37]

Sucks

Curious, why didn't you post this from your main account?:lol

[in2deep]

You suck.

Your mother sucks

cocks

[in2deep]

Curious, why didn't you post this from your main account?:lol

Why didnt you? :lmao

[DAF86]

lol at hater and company trying to say White sucks for this game when the Spurs woud have probably won if the refs would have let him play. :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

Not really. He’ll be fine. His early Foul trouble ruined our whole teams vibe.

[HarlemHeat37]

Why didnt you? :lmao

Called it:tu

[DAF86]

Your mother sucks

cocks

Well, I bet she does. She actually has sex unlike you.

[timtonymanu]

I don’t take anyone with a DeJuan Blair avi seriously

[objective]

White's been getting bullshit game-altering rookie calls all damn year.

maybe if had gotten some real minutes last season the refs would be over screwing him with calls and he'd be treated normally.

[hater]

Whitetrash tbqh

Called dat shit :tu

This retarded looking cancer will be our undoing this season

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, I bet she does. She actually has sex unlike you.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/dnw.gif

[HarlemHeat37]

Whitetrash tbqh

Called dat shit :tu

This retarded looking cancer will be our undoing this season

lol

[hater]

From Manure to Whitetrash

Out of the pan into the fire tbqh

:lol

[hater]

lol at hater and company trying to say White sucks for this game when the Spurs woud have probably won if the refs would have let him play. :lol

So u are saying white didnt suck this game?

:lmao poor u

[r0drig0lac]

I don’t take anyone with a DeJuan Blair avi seriously

fair

[SpursDynasty85]

White's been getting bullshit game-altering rookie calls all damn year.

maybe if had gotten some real minutes last season the refs would be over screwing him with calls and he'd be treated normally.

IDK. Everyone's been getting crappy defensive calls this year (NBA as a whole). Yesterday was just one of those games. Memphis came out really firing and making Spurs look slow footed. White was the only one who seemed to match the intensity and he stuck out as the guy who looked too aggressive (Bertans too). Forsure some bad calls last night but just chalk it up and move on because White has made plenty of great defensive plays and gotten no calls despite creating some contact with it. Gotta love what he's done so far. It's premature to think he is getting shafted as a whole.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Why is he so steady, bros?

Was he calm water in a former life?

[tim_duncan_fan]

Why is he so steady, bros?

Was he calm water in a former life?

[DAF86]

Build around this guy, tbh.

[drpill]

What a baller. Love this kid.

[Nathan89]

Was only matter of time before he could put his phenomenal skill set together. Already my favorite player on the team.

[Keepin' it real]

Was only matter of time before he could put his phenomenal skill set together. Already my favorite player on the team.

What about Paddy?

[BillMc]

Derrick is a real PG, with some SG skills to boot.

Murray may have a real hard time getting his starting job back. And if you say "just replace Forbes" then DJ will have to show some 3 stroke to work with the starting unit.

[Spur|n|Austin]

That was a man block from the kid.

[FkLA]

but but let's make him a 6th man so can start our next great Spur Dejounte "Instagram Baller" Murray :cry

[Mikeanaro]

Derrick is a real PG, with some SG skills to boot.

Murray may have a real hard time getting his starting job back. And if you say "just replace Forbes" then DJ will have to show some 3 stroke to work with the starting unit.
He should be happy if he is part of the bench.
Forbes is understanding his role and getting better, I dont see Murray hitting 3s like that.

[Mr. Body]

This guy may soon be the second best player on the team.

[Mikeanaro]

but but let's make him a 6th man so can start our next great Spur Dejounte "Instagram Baller" Murray :cry
We ballin fam 💯🙏 Peace!!!

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

This guy may soon be the second best player on the team.might already be.

[emanueldavidginobili]

This kid keeps showing up. And tbh DDR was holding him back a lot this game. It’s not like White has been going against scrubs either he’s been playing his best basketball against our toughest stretch of the season. That 3 pointer was big time and the block was too, wow.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Also he’s not even close to the second best player tbh, pump the breaks.

[R. DeMurre]

Having an 8/2 assist/turnover ratio in 48 minutes against the highest rated defense in the league is pretty impressive.

[cd021]

According to Basketball Reference he's shooting 68% on shots within 3 feet (not including the OKC game and probably the Detroit game)

been really impressed with his ability to get to the rim and also finish.

[John B]

White is Jason Kidd ceiling. This guy has the vision, can control the pace, defense, score, distribute, rebound, great basketball I.Q. He’s a general

[BackHome]

I agree he has everything you want from your PG and to top it off he is doing great on the offense side and the defensive side he has stepped it up big time. Man I don’t know what Pop is going to do next year with White, Murray, Forbes, Mills , DEROZZ, and Belli and guards. Well that can wait till this summer we going to roll with what we have and Shock the World. Lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Its really amazing to see people debating over such dumbass things.

"Who is going to play PG though, Derrick or Dejounte?"

" Trade Murray now, White is better."

Labeled positions DO NOT MATTER, skillsets dictate roles and both have very versatile skillsets to where both can do great things with the ball and both can do really good things off the ball. BOTH are not defensive liabilities and are elite on defense -- Murray elite guarding PGs, White elite guarding any wing.

Both can play together. Both can take turns bringing the ball up vs set D -- thats a small task anyway.

Offensive responsibilities will intertwine and change possession from possession because of their versatility. Some plays Derrick will initiate, some DJ. Both can do a lot of good things on or off the ball.
Within the halfcourt offense, and with ball movement off PnRs/DHOs/secondary playmaking/penetration off close outs, both will get their fair share of moments on/off the ball. Both will excel. Whoever is on, go to them more often as the game progresses as the initial playmaker.

Both can excel together -- their versatility alliows that. Stop the stupidity.

[Mikeanaro]

Both can excel together.
Please, stop the stupidity.

[r0drig0lac]

Its really amazing to see people debating over such dumbass things.


spurstalk is all about pat on the back, things like "I warned" and hypothetical clashes between players (where nobody usually knows what Pop did or will do)

[ceperez]

This kid keeps showing up. And tbh DDR was holding him back a lot this game. It’s not like White has been going against scrubs either he’s been playing his best basketball against our toughest stretch of the season. That 3 pointer was big time and the block was too, wow.

Those two plays tell you that he's got a rare level of competitiveness. The Spurs future looks like it'll revolve around White.

[ceperez]

White is Jason Kidd ceiling. This guy has the vision, can control the pace, defense, score, distribute, rebound, great basketball I.Q. He’s a general

Jason Kidd couldn't shoot the 3. Kidd had better passing, but White's passing is quite good. He needs to learn bounce passes that Manu and Kidd mastered.

[John B]

Jason Kidd couldn't shoot the 3. Kidd had better passing, but White's passing is quite good. He needs to learn bounce passes that Manu and Kidd mastered.
He’ll get there. White doesn’t shy away from competition and willing to make big plays against best opponents, every game. And I agree that Demar hold him back some because Demar has to have the ball, which he is not bad distributing either. But the coolness in White as a ‘young’ age, granted he is already 24 but still only 2nd year in the league, is special. He will be great 3rd option especially when Gay is out. Dang I’m excited for this kid. Great, great, great pick up.

[r0drig0lac]

Jason Kidd couldn't shoot the 3. Kidd had better passing, but White's passing is quite good. He needs to learn bounce passes that Manu and Kidd mastered.
agree
every time I watch White he looks more like the glove playing

[Gordy58]

I feel like once Derrick gets his handles a little tighter and his finishing on drives gets better he can be a great third option on the team.

[SpursGenius]

I don’t think you will ever see him on the bench. He is the starting pg going forward. If dejounte wants to start he better work on threes and free throws. Shooting in general. Also tighten dribble if he wants occasional pg duty. Right now his only hope is beat out Forbes at the two guard.

[look_at_g_shred]

Just imagine when he gets recognition from the officials? So many times he got fouled going to the basket, and not to mention how he was handcuffed playing defense. Even at that, he had a good game defensively.

[XDT76]

agree
every time I watch White he looks more like the glove playing

One of my favourite PG, wanted him to play with DRob but that never happened.

[Manu-of-steel]

White has a very bright future ahead of him. Very smart, and also seems humble.. That duty foul to stop the 3 on 1 at 11 secs of regulation. The 3 point shot at 22 sec. The great block on grant. Whew!! Spurs got one hell of a player!

[playbonner15]

Its really amazing to see people debating over such dumbass things.

"Who is going to play PG though, Derrick or Dejounte?"

" Trade Murray now, White is better."

Labeled positions DO NOT MATTER, skillsets dictate roles and both have very versatile skillsets to where both can do great things with the ball and both can do really good things off the ball. BOTH are not defensive liabilities and are elite on defense -- Murray elite guarding PGs, White elite guarding any wing.

Both can play together. Both can take turns bringing the ball up vs set D -- thats a small task anyway.

Offensive responsibilities will intertwine and change possession from possession because of their versatility. Some plays Derrick will initiate, some DJ. Both can do a lot of good things on or off the ball.
Within the halfcourt offense, and with ball movement off PnRs/DHOs/secondary playmaking/penetration off close outs, both will get their fair share of moments on/off the ball. Both will excel. Whoever is on, go to them more often as the game progresses as the initial playmaker.

Both can excel together -- their versatility alliows that. Stop the stupidity.
No. Trade Derozan. And keep White and Murray.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Its really amazing to see people debating over such dumbass things.

"Who is going to play PG though, Derrick or Dejounte?"

" Trade Murray now, White is better."

Labeled positions DO NOT MATTER, skillsets dictate roles and both have very versatile skillsets to where both can do great things with the ball and both can do really good things off the ball. BOTH are not defensive liabilities and are elite on defense -- Murray elite guarding PGs, White elite guarding any wing.

Both can play together. Both can take turns bringing the ball up vs set D -- thats a small task anyway.

Offensive responsibilities will intertwine and change possession from possession because of their versatility. Some plays Derrick will initiate, some DJ. Both can do a lot of good things on or off the ball.
Within the halfcourt offense, and with ball movement off PnRs/DHOs/secondary playmaking/penetration off close outs, both will get their fair share of moments on/off the ball. Both will excel. Whoever is on, go to them more often as the game progresses as the initial playmaker.

Both can excel together -- their versatility alliows that. Stop the stupidity.

positions dont matter? until murray has shown he has develop a jumpshot or could spread the floor the or not, his expendable...same with walker

[Dre_7]

Please, stop the stupidity.

White and Murray can definitely play together. Would love to have those two D-ing up Steph and Klay in a 7 game playoff series.

[cd021]

I feel like once Derrick gets his handles a little tighter and his finishing on drives gets better he can be a great third option on the team.

He's already a surprisingly good finisher. Shooting 68% within 0-3 feet on 2 attempts per game according to Basketball Reference.

[MaNu4Tres]

positions dont matter? until murray has shown he has develop a jumpshot or could spread the floor the or not, his expendable...same with walker

Labeled positions are overrated. No they dont matter skillsets do.

1. Dejounte has improved his shot. He showed that early on in pre season ( he worked his ass off).

2. If you watched the games more closely, you would understand how much he can impact the game off the ball w out needing to spot up. He's great at cutting, also great on the glass -- optimizing the opportunity for extra possessions. A lot of times, last year SA had him on the weakside dump down spot to use his height & length advantage vs other guards on the offensuve boards or to finish plays off dump downs. He made an impact off the ball and would have made an even bigger impact now that he was very confident in his shot.

Labeled positions do not matter, skillsets do and both White & Murray are extremely versatile to play on or off the ball and are elite defensively in switches, on ball, or off ball.

[SpursDynasty85]

Labeled positions are overrated. No they dont matter skillsets do.

1. Dejounte has improved his shot. He showed that early on in pre season ( he worked his ass off).

2. If you watched the games more closely, you would understand how much he can impact the game off the ball w out needing to spot up. He's great at cutting, also great on the glass -- optimizing the opportunity for extra possessions. A lot of times, last year SA had him on the weakside dump down spot to use his height & length advantage vs other guards on the offensuve boards or to finish plays off dump downs. He made an impact off the ball and would have made an even bigger impact now that he was very confident in his shot.

Labeled positions do not matter, skillsets do and both White & Murray are extremely versatile to play on or off the ball and are elite defensively in switches, on ball, or off ball.

He has a point. Murray had some very faint flashes last year otherwise it was a pretty rough 2nd season for him. He looked like he worked his butt off in the offseason but we still haven't seen it on the floor yet so we have to wait and see. Last year Murray's defense was clearly overrated because of advanced stats. Spurs were a top defensive team and one Spur had to be picked. Is he really defensively better than LMA, KA, or DG from last year? He benefitted from the whole team having a good defensive mindset. Derrick White is clearly a better defender but I am sure he will not get a 2nd team all star nod. (Let's see, he deserves it).

Lonnie is about as raw as they come. Any notion he has crazy or elite skills right now is overblown too. (you could say elite athleticism but that's it).

[Maddog]

Was only matter of time before he could put his phenomenal skill set together. Already my favorite player on the team.

Mine too.
I think it's premature to call him second best on the team, and will probably have some bad games down the road. But so far really impressive for essentially a rookie.

[MaNu4Tres]

He has a point. Murray had some very faint flashes last year otherwise it was a pretty rough 2nd season for him. He looked like he worked his butt off in the offseason but we still haven't seen it on the floor yet so we have to wait and see. Last year Murray's defense was clearly overrated because of advanced stats. Spurs were a top defensive team and one Spur had to be picked. Is he really defensively better than LMA, KA, or DG from last year? He benefitted from the whole team having a good defensive mindset. Derrick White is clearly a better defender but I am sure he will not get a 2nd team all star nod. (Let's see, he deserves it).

Lonnie is about as raw as they come. Any notion he has crazy or elite skills right now is overblown too. (you could say elite athleticism but that's it).

Clearly overrated? Lol.

Purely subjective and I couldnt disagree more.

[SpursDynasty85]

Clearly overrated? Lol.

Purely subjective and I couldnt disagree more.

Dejounte Murray was the 2nd best defender at his position? CLEARLY overrated.

[Mugen]

:lol Spurfan wanting to trade away the only other perimeter defender on the team....

[objective]

Labeled positions are overrated. No they dont matter skillsets do.

1. Dejounte has improved his shot. He showed that early on in pre season ( he worked his ass off).

2. If you watched the games more closely, you would understand how much he can impact the game off the ball w out needing to spot up. He's great at cutting, also great on the glass -- optimizing the opportunity for extra possessions. A lot of times, last year SA had him on the weakside dump down spot to use his height & length advantage vs other guards on the offensuve boards or to finish plays off dump downs. He made an impact off the ball and would have made an even bigger impact now that he was very confident in his shot.

Labeled positions do not matter, skillsets do and both White & Murray are extremely versatile to play on or off the ball and are elite defensively in switches, on ball, or off ball.

I'm with Manu4Tres

Murray made winning, impactful plays with a roster more flawed than this one. Pick a random game from March or April and you'll see a typical starting lineup of LMA-Anderson-Green-Mills-Murray. So that's

- a bigger wing who refused to shoot
- a wing with at minimum a strained groin who couldn't penetrate or create his own shot or run a pick and roll who was shooting terribly (3pt 34% in March, 21% in April)
- a midget guard who couldn't defend and was also shooting either poorly or marginally (3pt 33% in March, 36% in April) but also often leading the team in minutes for some reason

If the Spurs bring back Gay and keep him upright you might expect an LMA-Gay-DDR-White-Murray lineup.

That's Gay who can shoot and score
DeRozan might not shoot threes but can penetrate, run a pick and roll, and get his own shot
White who can shoot threes, penetrate, pass, run plays, and defends at a high level

Murray would have a better chance to succeed, and he was already pretty impactful despite not shooting threes, or off the dribble, or finishing well in the halfcourt. ANY improvement over last year for Murray and his production goes up, and it was already at 10 points on 9 shots in 26.5 minus over the last 20 games last year (march and April)

I look forward to his grab and go, pushing after defensive rebounds. If nothing comes of it you can reset with White or DeRozan. Murray will have better open looks in the spot up generated from those two than he was getting from Mills or Green. And if White can continue to be the primary defender, Murray should gobble up all those defensive rebounds the Spurs aren't getting now and just take off down the court.

[HarlemHeat37]

Poor guy, Pop is getting all the credit for his game:lol

[Chinook]

From RealGM last month:


Gasol derrick white for courtney lee and lance thomas is appealing to me


Part of the major disconnect here is people talking about Derrick White in terms of "asset" and "not likely to be dealt" and listed with an implication that he's worth more than a first.

I'm sorry but this is one of the worst rotation guards in the entire league and it's not that he's some young high ceiling kid being forced minutes for his development. This is a guy in his mid 20's who wouldn't be playing at all if not for Spurs desperation at PG.

[r0drig0lac]

Poor guy, Pop is getting all the credit for his game:lol

unfortunately this is a standard not only in ST but also in the world of nba (some still talk as if Pop had created Duncan when he had to go against Kobe / Shaq for 6 years)

[Pavlov]

unfortunately this is a standard not only in ST but also in the world of nba (some still talk as if Pop had created Duncan when he had to go against Kobe / Shaq for 6 years)The Spurs don't develop players?

[r0drig0lac]

The Spurs don't develop players?

yep "all the credit" is the question

[Pavlov]

yep "all the credit" is the questionSince no links or quotes are showing up anywhere I'm just going to conclude it's another ST molehill mountain based on nothing.

[Gordy58]

He's already a surprisingly good finisher. Shooting 68% within 0-3 feet on 2 attempts per game according to Basketball Reference.
Not surprised at all. If he can gain a little more strength and develop more consistency on absorbing and finishing through contact, he’ll be dangerous. He already has a deceptive first step to take it to the hole.

[cd021]

I'm with Manu4Tres

Murray made winning, impactful plays with a roster more flawed than this one. Pick a random game from March or April and you'll see a typical starting lineup of LMA-Anderson-Green-Mills-Murray. So that's

- a bigger wing who refused to shoot
- a wing with at minimum a strained groin who couldn't penetrate or create his own shot or run a pick and roll who was shooting terribly (3pt 34% in March, 21% in April)
- a midget guard who couldn't defend and was also shooting either poorly or marginally (3pt 33% in March, 36% in April) but also often leading the team in minutes for some reason

If the Spurs bring back Gay and keep him upright you might expect an LMA-Gay-DDR-White-Murray lineup.

That's Gay who can shoot and score
DeRozan might not shoot threes but can penetrate, run a pick and roll, and get his own shot
White who can shoot threes, penetrate, pass, run plays, and defends at a high level

Murray would have a better chance to succeed, and he was already pretty impactful despite not shooting threes, or off the dribble, or finishing well in the halfcourt. ANY improvement over last year for Murray and his production goes up, and it was already at 10 points on 9 shots in 26.5 minus over the last 20 games last year (march and April)

I look forward to his grab and go, pushing after defensive rebounds. If nothing comes of it you can reset with White or DeRozan. Murray will have better open looks in the spot up generated from those two than he was getting from Mills or Green. And if White can continue to be the primary defender, Murray should gobble up all those defensive rebounds the Spurs aren't getting now and just take off down the court.

I'm curious to see how careful Pop is with Murray next season, he's never really coached a young player coming off a significant injury before but I suspect 30 mpg is certainly off the table.

I could see him doing something super conservative like starting and playing him the first six minutes of each half and the final seven minutes of the second and fourth quarter - at least for a decent stretch of the season.

[cd021]

I wouldn't be shocked if White is the 6th man next season and plays something like 27 mpg at PG and SG while Forbes continues to start at the 2 with Murray back but expect the closing lineup to be Murray, White, DeRozen, Gay and LMA.

[exstatic]

I'm curious to see how careful Pop is with Murray next season, he's never really coached a young player coming off a significant injury before but I suspect 30 mpg is certainly off the table.

I could see him doing something super conservative like starting and playing him the first six minutes of each half and the final seven minutes of the second and fourth quarter - at least for a decent stretch of the season.

If he's ready to play, he's ready to play.

Oh, and your scenario adds up to 26 minutes, just shy of 30. He might play him that for a couple of weeks, tops. He also coached Tim Duncan, post 2000 knee injury, and then TD played some of his highest minute seasons of his career.

[Chinook]

I wouldn't be shocked if White is the 6th man next season and plays something like 27 mpg at PG and SG while Forbes continues to start at the 2 with Murray back but expect the closing lineup to be Murray, White, DeRozen, Gay and LMA.

I certainly think Murray in an energy role with shooters and Poeltl around him would work very well.

Forbes, White, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge
Mills, Murray, Belinelli, Bertans, Poeltl

Two good units with Walker, Metu and a couple of vets/prospects makes for a nice round roster. Can really draft any position, though with most of the vets expiring over the next two seasons, having a couple of front-court guys under contract may be for the best.

[tbdog]

The way I see it was Pop and co were building with Murray as a main piece. Pop said the team was built around Murray. I don't necessarily agree with that and think it was a poorly worded description, but I assume they felt Murray was going to make a huge leap and play a very important role that the team was going to feed off.

[313]

So far, Murray’s preseason has shown fruitful results and he is shooting 6-for-11 (54.5 percent (https://stats.nba.com/players/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Pre%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&PerMode=Totals&sort=Mid-Range%20FGA&dir=1)) from mid-range. While it’s a small sample size, it is encouraging to see some progress in that aspect of his game.

Murray connected on only 29.1 percent (https://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/mike_finger/article/Spurs-counting-on-another-step-from-Murray-13261239.php?utm_campaign=twitter) of his attempts from beyond 10 feet last season. During his first two preseason games, he is already 7-for-14 (50.0 percent (https://stats.nba.com/players/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Pre%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&PerMode=Totals&sort=10-14%20ft.%20FGA&dir=1)) from this area...

One thing to note for White and Murray is that neither rack up a ton of assists. Demar is still the best point guard on the team in that aspect.

[DAF86]

One thing to note for White and Murray is that neither rack up a ton of assists. Demar is still the best point guard on the team in that aspect.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Only reason White doesn't average a lot of assists is because he doesn't have the ball on his hands as much. I would say that for his usage, 3.5 assists per game is quite good.

[Chinook]

One thing to note for White and Murray is that neither rack up a ton of assists. Demar is still the best point guard on the team in that aspect.[/FONT][/COLOR]

White and Murray both average(d) about five dimes per 36, compared to DeRozan's seven. Give Derrick time to catch up, because he's routinely having games with six, seven or eight assists. I think with a bit of growth, they could facilitate just fine without DeMar with them at all, especially as long as they can feed it to LMA.

I was encouraged by DJM's shot, but it's not enough of a sample to say that's part of his game yet.

[GreekSpursfan]

Pop didnt create anyone but its very important to guide said person to the right path and challenge them the appropriate way for each individual. Not many coaches know how to do that, Pop is at the top of that list who knows how its done

[ceperez]

Only reason White doesn't average a lot of assists is because he doesn't have the ball on his hands as much. I would say that for his usage, 3.5 assists per game is quite good.

I think what's missing in White's game are the kind of bounce pass assists that the likes of Kidd, Manu and Nash had mastered. This is where you can get the ball to a shooter with impossible angles.

White is still a very good passer and one that reads the defense well. But it'll take a while to become an elite assist man.

The kind of assists that DeRozan and Westbrook make are based on superior athleticism and drawing a crowd. This is not something White can do.

[Mikeanaro]

White and Murray can definitely play together. Would love to have those two D-ing up Steph and Klay in a 7 game playoff series.
But to be able to do that Murray needs a solid 3 pointer.
We can only afford one mid-ranger like DeRozan in todays nba.

[Spurs da champs]

The kind of assists that DeRozan and Westbrook make are based on superior athleticism and drawing a crowd. This is not something White can do.
what? I'm not saying White is the same athlete those 2 are, but there's been multiple times where he's drawn a crowd for the easy feed to Aldridge or the corner man.

[spurraider21]

But to be able to do that Murray needs a solid 3 pointer.
We can only afford one mid-ranger like DeRozan in todays nba.
i do think the spacing with murray/derozan is a concern, which is why i think that unit only really works with bertans instead of gay to help compensate. i know gay has shot well this year, but there's bound to be a regression there and even now he doesnt give the same spacing as davis

[Chinook]

what? I'm not saying White is the same athlete those 2 are, but there's been multiple times where he's drawn a crowd for the easy feed to Aldridge or the corner man.

Don't mind him. He was just having a #ceperez moment.

White doesn't have the gravity of an offensive superstar, at least not yet. He'll have to gain a rep as an elite scorer before teams bend their D too much to stop him. He still manages to get a lot of leverage assists at it is.

[Maddog]

did he get that block last night and on Kyrie Iriving new years eve with his off hand?

[cd021]

If he's ready to play, he's ready to play.

Oh, and your scenario adds up to 26 minutes, just shy of 30. He might play him that for a couple of weeks, tops. He also coached Tim Duncan, post 2000 knee injury, and then TD played some of his highest minute seasons of his career.

That was prior to Duncan getting Plantar Fascitis in his foot and Pop cutting his minutes and then significantly reducing his workload for the rest of his career. I think that changed how he managed his stars minutes -not that Dejounte is a star.

I am fully aware that 26 is less than 30 and if I were a betting man, I would wager that is probably fairly close to his mpg next season. Gay had 9 months of recovery time but he still seemed to manage his minutes last season.

[duncan2k5]

He has a point. Murray had some very faint flashes last year otherwise it was a pretty rough 2nd season for him. He looked like he worked his butt off in the offseason but we still haven't seen it on the floor yet so we have to wait and see. Last year Murray's defense was clearly overrated because of advanced stats. Spurs were a top defensive team and one Spur had to be picked. Is he really defensively better than LMA, KA, or DG from last year? He benefitted from the whole team having a good defensive mindset. Derrick White is clearly a better defender but I am sure he will not get a 2nd team all star nod. (Let's see, he deserves it).

Lonnie is about as raw as they come. Any notion he has crazy or elite skills right now is overblown too. (you could say elite athleticism but that's it).

From what you saw last year from white, would you have said he was the better defender?

[Mikeanaro]

From what you saw last year from white, would you have said he was the better defender?
White played garbage time, there was no game plan.
On the other hand Murray played the good minutes to pad his stats along LMA and company.

[Pavlov]

White played garbage time, there was no game plan.
On the other hand Murray played the good minutes to pad his stats along LMA and company.Pad his defensive stats?

Dude asked you who was the better defender.

[duncan2k5]

Last year white was horrible and lost on defense... He clearly is better this year... Murray also would have improved in that area, not to mention in this era of small ball and big men being pulled out to the three point line, having his elite rebounding skills at PG is a valuable asset for our defense... This year he also has DDR running the break with him as opposed to patty mills last year...

[SpursDynasty85]

From what you saw last year from white, would you have said he was the better defender?

No. I couldn't evaluate White last year. Knew very little of him and didnt pay attention his G league play other than a few highlight reels.

I do feel Derrick is head and shoulders above Murray overall this year. And is having a better defensive season than Murray did last year. It's hard to quantify defensive rebounds as defense for me but defending the perimeter-wise, I believe Derrick is much better. A large part is because of his high bball iq.

[Seventyniner]

i do think the spacing with murray/derozan is a concern, which is why i think that unit only really works with bertans instead of gay to help compensate. i know gay has shot well this year, but there's bound to be a regression there and even now he doesnt give the same spacing as davis

Starting Bertans instead of Gay is also better for continuity because Gay can't seem to stay healthy. It leaves the team with a rebounding disadvantage at the forward positions, but that unit needs an off-ball player and a real marksman. Having all of Mills/Forbes/Beli/Bertans coming off the bench seems like a bit of overkill in that direction.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Derrick White just got brought up during the Pacers/Knicks game on ESPN. Only a matter of time until everyone knows who this kid is.

[BackHome]

I dont see Walker getting called up and getting major minutes anytime soon he still has a way to go. If we were loosing and tanking then yeah bring him up full time but we’re not and he has no chemistry with the team and like I said he has a lot to improve on.

It it will even get more interesting next year as we bring back Murray and potential 2 first and one 2 draft picks.

[Carlos Signs]

Not sure if it’s been posted, yet. . .from the recent ESPN writeup:

“Hello, Derrick White (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3078576/derrick-white)!

I come prostrate before the altar of Pop. Six weeks ago, I chastised San Antonio's shot selection. I did not think it was possible to construct an elite offense while ranking dead last in shots at the rim and 3s -- and 20th or worse in both free throw and offensive rebounding rates. In my defense, it should not be.
But it be. It very much be. The Spurs are up to fifth in points per possession after a scorching 14-4 run that culminated in Thursday's 154-point avalanche against the Thunder. Their shot selection in that stretch has barely budged. They are just making everything, moving the ball without turning it over, and flying around on defense. It has been wonderful to watch. Again, I'm sorry, Pop. (I still think their offense will slip back over the coming road-heavy stretch, but I know better now than to predict a huge drop-off. The Spurs are solid.)
The happiest revelation: Derrick White. It is a fun sensation watching someone over extended minutes for the first time, and understanding immediately, "OK, this dude knows how to play."
White just feels the game. He is a cat burglar sidling into open spaces when the defense is focused on DeMar DeRozan (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3978/demar-derozan) or LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge). He has already mastered the Manu Ginobili thing of running into the catch:”

SOURCE: Z. Lowe - “Ten Things. . .” - ESPN - 1/11/19

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Media recognition will only help him. He should also be in the Most Improved player conversation.

[palangi]

I dont see Walker getting called up and getting major minutes anytime soon he still has a way to go. If we were loosing and tanking then yeah bring him up full time but we’re not and he has no chemistry with the team and like I said he has a lot to improve on.

It it will even get more interesting next year as we bring back Murray and potential 2 first and one 2 draft picks.

Let Walker grow this year in austin and up with the big team here and there. Then next year being him up full time

1st team
PG- Murray
SG- DeRozan
SF- Gay
PF- Bertans
C- Aldridge

2nd team
PG- white
SG- Walker
SF- Bellineli
PF- Metu
C- Peotel

Forbes
Mills
Eubanks

Then obviously changes with trades, draft, and free agency.

[Arcadian]

Derrick White still a 70 on 2k cmon smh hahaha

He's now a 76 :)

[acoelho1]

If Murray is back healthy, there is zero chance he comes off the bench and he will be our starting PG. For one, PAFTO believes he can be a star and two, Murray won’t accept that role and nor should he. Murray was damn good last year and if the midrange game he showed in preseason translated to the season, look out. The guy is a stud and 2 years younger.

[RD2191]

If Murray is back healthy, there is zero chance he comes off the bench and he will be our starting PG. For one, PAFTO believes he can be a star and two, Murray won’t accept that role and nor should he. Murray was damn good last year and if the midrange game he showed in preseason translated to the season, look out. The guy is a stud and 2 years younger.

No way. D White is way better on offense and maybe 1 level below on defense. DJ should be a 6th man. I don't see him as a starter, never have.

[RD2191]

And if he doesn't want to accept the role he can gtfo.

[John B]

I'm curious to see how careful Pop is with Murray next season, he's never really coached a young player coming off a significant injury before but I suspect 30 mpg is certainly off the table.

I could see him doing something super conservative like starting and playing him the first six minutes of each half and the final seven minutes of the second and fourth quarter - at least for a decent stretch of the season.
I’d be careful how they lowball Murray. And FO should’ve learned from Kiwi experience, albeit Kiwi has a greedy dumb uncle. Greedy is sometimes is okay as long as they know what they’re foing ans Spurs FO could understand and deal properly with the concerns but Kiwi’s advisers were just numbskulls idiots. Anyways, I hope they bring Murray back good with the understanding that he would get paid if his development continues.

[SpursDynasty85]

I’d be careful how they lowball Murray. And FO should’ve learned from Kiwi experience, albeit Kiwi has a greedy dumb uncle. Greedy is sometimes is okay as long as they know what they’re foing ans Spurs FO could understand and deal properly with the concerns but Kiwi’s advisers were just numbskulls idiots. Anyways, I hope they bring Murray back good with the understanding that he would get paid if his development continues.

Murray is still signed for next year. I dont think he has much leverage for a big extension this offseason. If he was always in the plans then we can get fair/good value. He would probably want to play out next season and be a RFA probably? It will be interesting to see if he demands a large extension this offseason.

[John B]

Murray is still signed for next year. I dont think he has much leverage for a big extension this offseason. If he was always in the plans then we can get fair/good value. He would probably want to play out next season and be a RFA probably? It will be interesting to see if he demands a large extension this offseason.
I think that would be fair and wise. Just that Uncle Dennis experience came unexpected. I don’t know how many players are just so misrepresented and ill-adviced.

[cd021]

I’d be careful how they lowball Murray. And FO should’ve learned from Kiwi experience, albeit Kiwi has a greedy dumb uncle. Greedy is sometimes is okay as long as they know what they’re foing ans Spurs FO could understand and deal properly with the concerns but Kiwi’s advisers were just numbskulls idiots. Anyways, I hope they bring Murray back good with the understanding that he would get paid if his development continues.

I don't think that that would be an issue because he seems to have a legitimately good relationship with Pop but teams attempting to lower a player's value prior to free agency (restricted free agency) has been done or at least attempted. It was reportedly the reason why Butler has such a poor relationship with the Bulls.

He is eligible for an extension prior to the start of next season so for all we know PATFO may offer and him and Rich Paul may except a deal.

[playbonner15]

He's now a 76 :)
Noice hope he gets to 80

[cjw]

No way. D White is way better on offense and maybe 1 level below on defense. DJ should be a 6th man. I don't see him as a starter, never have.

If White can keep developing a consistent three ball, I think you can start them together and then stagger minutes a bit depending on the opponent. They both have enough size in the current NBA to compensate from DDR playing at the 3. Gay or Bertans can come off the bench as a sixth man.

I see the rotation playing out this way assuming no other additions:

34 DDR
30 Aldridge (remember he’s getting older and need to keep tread on the tires)
28 Murray
28 White (so ~8 overlapping minutes and ~40 non-shared)
24 Bertans
24 Gay
20 Forbes or Mills (both won’t be back)
18 Poeltl (would also need a backup third big who plays against some teams as Gasol will be gone)
16 White
16 Belinelli
6 other

This would mean Gay and Bertans are always playing the 4, and DDR/Marco are manning the 3. Not ideal against bigger teams. But let’s see how Metu develops and if he can eat some minutes.

This also assumes zero in return for Mills (or Forbes) & Gasol in trades, and two draft picks plus the MLE. Barring any substantial drop off from DDR, Aldridge and Gay, this is a very solid rotation next year as the rest of the players wshould see some organic improvement.

[Ice009]

wtf, you only want to play White 16 minutes a game?

Edit : It seems you listed White twice. I assume you meant Walker the second time?

What do you mean by shared and non-shared?

[cutewizard]

White could be the best pure point in Spurs history

[paperboy77]

No. I couldn't evaluate White last year. Knew very little of him and didnt pay attention his G league play other than a few highlight reels.

I do feel Derrick is head and shoulders above Murray overall this year. And is having a better defensive season than Murray did last year. It's hard to quantify defensive rebounds as defense for me but defending the perimeter-wise, I believe Derrick is much better. A large part is because of his high bball iq.

+1

[paperboy77]

I dont see Walker getting called up and getting major minutes anytime soon he still has a way to go. If we were loosing and tanking then yeah bring him up full time but we’re not and he has no chemistry with the team and like I said he has a lot to improve on.

It it will even get more interesting next year as we bring back Murray and potential 2 first and one 2 draft picks.

Yes we know he's just gotten back from injury but how do we really know he "still has a way to go"? I'm not sure what the plan is for keeping Eubanks on the bench. Especially now that Pau is back they should send him back and roll with Lonnie. Let him prove himself.

Also on White, Murray is screwed if he want's to be a starter next year.

[paperboy77]

Not sure if it’s been posted, yet. . .from the recent ESPN writeup:

“Hello, Derrick White (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3078576/derrick-white)!

I come prostrate before the altar of Pop. Six weeks ago, I chastised San Antonio's shot selection. I did not think it was possible to construct an elite offense while ranking dead last in shots at the rim and 3s -- and 20th or worse in both free throw and offensive rebounding rates. In my defense, it should not be.
But it be. It very much be. The Spurs are up to fifth in points per possession after a scorching 14-4 run that culminated in Thursday's 154-point avalanche against the Thunder. Their shot selection in that stretch has barely budged. They are just making everything, moving the ball without turning it over, and flying around on defense. It has been wonderful to watch. Again, I'm sorry, Pop. (I still think their offense will slip back over the coming road-heavy stretch, but I know better now than to predict a huge drop-off. The Spurs are solid.)
The happiest revelation: Derrick White. It is a fun sensation watching someone over extended minutes for the first time, and understanding immediately, "OK, this dude knows how to play."
White just feels the game. He is a cat burglar sidling into open spaces when the defense is focused on DeMar DeRozan (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3978/demar-derozan) or LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge). He has already mastered the Manu Ginobili thing of running into the catch:”

SOURCE: Z. Lowe - “Ten Things. . .” - ESPN - 1/11/19


Cool to point that out! It's true Manu would always take advantae of that.

[R. DeMurre]

Another draft steal for the Spurs. If the 2017 draft were redone now, White would easily go at least 15 spots higher. I really wish I knew more about the scouting crew of the Spurs-- is the person(s) who first advocated for D White and D Murray also connected to the Kawhi pick? If so, that guy is really earning his keep.

[paperboy77]

If Murray is back healthy, there is zero chance he comes off the bench and he will be our starting PG. For one, PAFTO believes he can be a star and two, Murray won’t accept that role and nor should he. Murray was damn good last year and if the midrange game he showed in preseason translated to the season, look out. The guy is a stud and 2 years younger.


No way. D White is way better on offense and maybe 1 level below on defense. DJ should be a 6th man. I don't see him as a starter, never have.

THat's a huge IF on Murray all of a sudden coming close to what White can do on offense. The guy was kinda shoved down our throats if you ask me. If we didn't have White I guess I'd still be very hopeful of DJ... but we do have White.

That DJ is younger to me doesn't really matter right now. If you can get 5 great seasons from anyone is a great thing. Maybe it would matter to me if one was 29 and the other 31.

Whichever way the Spurs want to go i think it's a helluva problem to have than not have.

[DAF86]

Last year white was horrible and lost on defense... He clearly is better this year... Murray also would have improved in that area, not to mention in this era of small ball and big men being pulled out to the three point line, having his elite rebounding skills at PG is a valuable asset for our defense... This year he also has DDR running the break with him as opposed to patty mills last year...

lol so much bullshit :lol

In the very few minutes White got last year, he was elite. That's part of the reason why many folks were claiming, even back then, to play the guy because he was the best guard we had.

[Leetonidas]

Agree with DAF, white looked like a player every time he stepped on the court last year which is why so many of us were high on him coming into this year. Idk wtf Kawhis lap dog over here is talking about white being "horrible" and "lost on defense" last year :lol

[objective]

lol so much bullshit :lol

In the very few minutes White got last year, he was elite. That's part of the reason why many folks were claiming, even back then, to play the guy because he was the best guard we had.

Correct, White was good the few opportunities he had. Guarding Chris Paul straight up and blocking his three point attempt isn't something lost terrible defenders do.

[Spursfanfromafar]

White and Murray would be a fantastic defensive backcourt next season. If Murray learns to shoot the three, which I think, he will.. The Spurs' backcourt is set for the future. Lonnie Walker will play the sixth man role till the Spurs ride DeRozan out of his prime.

[BD24]

White and Murray would be a fantastic defensive backcourt next season. If Murray learns to shoot the three, which I think, he will.. The Spurs' backcourt is set for the future. Lonnie Walker will play the sixth man role till the Spurs ride DeRozan out of his prime.
His shot looked much improved in preseason and offseason, given that is a small sample size. I am really excited about the Murray and White backcourt though. Forbes will be a solid bench player

[SpursDynasty85]

His shot looked much improved in preseason and offseason, given that is a small sample size. I am really excited about the Murray and White backcourt though. Forbes will be a solid bench player

Yep. It's likely Murray gets benched in favor of Forbes when we need some offense in the 4th.

[Seventyniner]

That DJ is younger to me doesn't really matter right now. If you can get 5 great seasons from anyone is a great thing. Maybe it would matter to me if one was 29 and the other 31.

Whichever way the Spurs want to go i think it's a helluva problem to have than not have.

If Murray improves as much from age 20 to 24 as White has, he will be an All-Star. You're right about it being a high quality problem.

Between Murray's return, the emergence of White and Forbes, and Walker being ready for minutes with the big club next year, I think DeMar had better get used to playing the 3.

[acoelho1]

No way. D White is way better on offense and maybe 1 level below on defense. DJ should be a 6th man. I don't see him as a starter, never have.

It doesn’t matter what you see. No way White starts over Murray. It’s either he starts with Murray or White is the 6th man.

[acoelho1]

Whichever way the Spurs want to go i think it's a helluva problem to have than not have.

Of course but unless they trade Murray, he will be our starting PG. They are very high on him and he has a higher ceiling in my opinion than White.

[RD2191]

It doesn’t matter what you see. No way White starts over Murray. It’s either he starts with Murray or White is the 6th man.

I have my doubts, unless DJ has improved significantly on offense, which I don't believe he has.

[Dingle Barry]

White has been pretty bad on the road and a factor in the team's struggles away from home. Here're his splits:

Home:
.540/.367/.833

Road:
.422/.294/.742

[BackHome]

To be honest the whole team plays bad on the road.

[kaji157]

It's all speculation, Lonnie Walker could outplay both, in a perfect world Murray surpasses White and Walker play at his same level.
That way you have Murray and Walker for the starters and White with the subs.

[ceperez]

It's all speculation, Lonnie Walker could outplay both, in a perfect world Murray surpasses White and Walker play at his same level.
That way you have Murray and Walker for the starters and White with the subs.

Nobody really knows! Wait till next season whey Murray is health and Walker has learned the NBA game. Nice to have this many options! But it's only happening next season!

[DAF86]

Could this guys become a borderline all-star if given a bigger role?

[Indianman]

Could this guys become a borderline all-star if given a bigger role?

A couple years away from it tbh but possible.

[BSfromTX]

White has been pretty bad on the road and a factor in the team's struggles away from home. Here're his splits:

Home:
.540/.367/.833

Road:
.422/.294/.742

maybe so but still prett decent numbers for someone that’s suddenly getting more responsibility.He will improve that IMO.

[8FOR!3]

I think ideally they're all 3 so good that you eventually have to trade one. But first see what they can amount to.

[XDT76]

White has been pretty bad on the road and a factor in the team's struggles away from home. Here're his splits:

Home:
.540/.367/.833

Road:
.422/.294/.742

Just to check any guy on the team has better away numbers compared to home games?

[Drom John]

ESPN Real Plus Wins
Derrick White is at #130 with a bullet, 5th man production.
#129 Clint Capela
#131 Jeff Green

Among PGs, White is #31, so the top backup.
#30 Reggie Jackson
#32 Terry Rozier

Among PGs, Defense Per Minute, White is #9.
#8 Russell Westbrook
#10 Ricky Rubio

[Drom John]

Just to check any guy on the team has better away numbers compared to home games?

Dante Cunningham
Home: .407/.467/.800
Road: .516/.522/1.000

DeMar DeRozan
Home: .460/.150/.819
Road: .473/.200/.837

Bryn Forbes
Home: .455/.398/.879 TS% .573
Road: .457/439/.590 TS% .590

Pau Gasol
Home: .429/.500/.715
Road: .538/.500/.800

Chimezie Metu
Home: .353/.000/.750
Road: .400/.000/.818

[DavidTheGoliath]

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/sports/basketball/derrick-white-makes-manufacturing-points-look-effortless/ar-BBSipgX?ocid=spartandhp

haven't seen it posted yet so...

[BD24]

ESPN Real Plus Wins
Derrick White is at #130 with a bullet, 5th man production.
#129 Clint Capela
#131 Jeff Green

Among PGs, White is #31, so the top backup.
#30 Reggie Jackson
#32 Terry Rozier

Among PGs, Defense Per Minute, White is #9.
#8 Russell Westbrook
#10 Ricky Rubio
That is looking at the whole season, lets not forget he had a pretty shit start. Would be interested to see where he falls within the last month.

[XDT76]

Dante Cunningham
Home: .407/.467/.800
Road: .516/.522/1.000

DeMar DeRozan
Home: .460/.150/.819
Road: .473/.200/.837

Bryn Forbes
Home: .455/.398/.879 TS% .573
Road: .457/439/.590 TS% .590

Pau Gasol
Home: .429/.500/.715
Road: .538/.500/.800

Chimezie Metu
Home: .353/.000/.750
Road: .400/.000/.818

Thanks for the info, these guys should be our starters for away games then

[Dingle Barry]

maybe so but still prett decent numbers for someone that’s suddenly getting more responsibility.He will improve that IMO.
I suppose. Then there's Fitty Mills:

Home:
. 446 .462 .854

Road:
. 409 .322 .846

And Marco:

Home :
.436 .398 .971

Road:
.391 .372 .816

[ceperez]

Best player in the Spurs roster:

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/1/20/18183780/derrick-white-san-antonio-spurs-future

[DJR210]

Best player in the Spurs roster:

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/1/20/18183780/derrick-white-san-antonio-spurs-future

Thanks :tu

[sasaint]

Best player in the Spurs roster:

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/1/20/18183780/derrick-white-san-antonio-spurs-future

A backcourt rotation of White, Murray, Forbes, Mills, Marco an Lonnie is deep, versatile and very good with the potential to be excellent. DeMar is an expensive redundancy. Pop should be doing everything possible to move him for the best deal he can get that includes a legit 3 and D SF before the trade deadline. If we keep DeMar, next season will be even more problematic for the over-populated backcourt.

[boutons_deux]

I suppose. Then there's Fitty Mills:

Home:
. 446 .462 .854

Road:
. 409 .322 .846

And Marco:

Home :
.436 .398 .971

Road:
.391 .372 .816

if Spurs avoid "relegation" to lottery, the real worry is whether those Road dropoffs predict playoff dropoffs.

Best, most reliable players produced better number in playoffs that in the season.

[buujness]

A backcourt rotation of White, Murray, Forbes, Mills, Marco an Lonnie is deep, versatile and very good with the potential to be excellent. DeMar is an expensive redundancy. Pop should be doing everything possible to move him for the best deal he can get that includes a legit 3 and D SF before the trade deadline. If we keep DeMar, next season will be even more problematic for the over-populated backcourt.DeMar is the best playmaker out of all of those players, and it's not particularly close. Next year, you're likely going to have Murray and White start together, so the need for a 3 and D guy won't be quite so pronounced.

The biggest thing the team should look at is re-signing Rudy Gay. If they can't get him back, then you start looking for a guy who can play small-ball 4 that gives you some of the versatility that he brings.

[ceperez]

A backcourt rotation of White, Murray, Forbes, Mills, Marco an Lonnie is deep, versatile and very good with the potential to be excellent. DeMar is an expensive redundancy. Pop should be doing everything possible to move him for the best deal he can get that includes a legit 3 and D SF before the trade deadline. If we keep DeMar, next season will be even more problematic for the over-populated backcourt.

Spurs have a secret weapon in that they can develop players from next to nothing.

What's important is that they maintain the structure so that these players can develop to the next level.

I wouldn't go out there shopping for expensive $20m+ contracts. We got a ton of talent in the backcourt already. We got two first round picks next year. We got Poetl and Metu as developing bigs. We got Bertans as a very good shooter. But we don't have any 3 and D SFs in development. What about Bruno Caboclo? He's only 23.

[sasaint]

Spurs have a secret weapon in that they can develop players from next to nothing.

What's important is that they maintain the structure so that these players can develop to the next level.

I wouldn't go out there shopping for expensive $20m+ contracts. We got a ton of talent in the backcourt already. We got two first round picks next year. We got Poetl and Metu as developing bigs. We got Bertans as a very good shooter. But we don't have any 3 and D SFs in development. What about Bruno Caboclo? He's only 23.

You are right. We don't necessarily need an expensive 3 and D SF. That's why I worded my suggestion as I did: "the best deal we can get that includes a legit 3 and D SF. If we can move DeMar and his contract for a package rather than a single player that's okay - as long as includes a legit 3 and D SF. I also like the idea of moving DeMar because of his history and to clear the decks for what I consider to be a potentially great, young rotation in the backcourt. In short, he represents our best trade value and he plays a position where we are stacked. Caboclo seems like a very interesting prospect, but he is also very young and needs development. Plus, I don't see what we would trade for him to get the numbers to match other than one of our top young guard prospects. So, I would rather trade DeMar's contract and also get a guy who isn't necessarily that young.

If all of our young guys pan out, we will be looking at some hard choices on who to pay and who to move in a couple of years. Another guy on a similar trajectory, with regard to both development time-line and potential salary is not optimal. With our current roster I do not believe we are legit contenders without a legit SF, especially with Rudy Gay's health concerns. Gay has shown that he is a critical piece of this current team, and that is pretty scary. Bertans is developing nicely. Beyond those guys, the cupboard is absolutely bare. I am much more interested in using this season to build for the future. If we can "winbuild" - fine. But the emphasis should be on the "build" not the "win."

[ceperez]

Derrick White is now ranked in the NBA Top 100 player:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816478-ranking-nbas-top-100-players-of-2018-19-season-so-far#slide4

A first-round pick in 2017, Derrick White is finally getting an opportunity to strut his stuff as the San Antonio Spurs' starting floor general. Even if he eventually relinquishes that job to a healthy Dejounte Murray, his time spent proving himself as a defensive stalwart who can handle both scoring and distributing responsibilities on offense has ensured him a rotation role moving forward. White's ability to avoid bad-pass turnovers is particularly impressive, as he's averaging fewer than one per appearance.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/CSGazetteSports/status/1088616031898214400

[Slippy]

Has become my Favourite spur. Thanks for sharing article.

Derricks form cannot be ignored pop. Milk the best pure pg this team has had since AJ who really wasnt as talented.

[MaNu4Tres]

Has become my Favourite spur. Thanks for sharing article.

Derricks form cannot be ignored pop. Milk the best pure pg this team has had since AJ who really wasnt as talented.

Ball skills doesnt make a player exclusively a PG. Derricks versatility & size allow him to play in a lot of lineups as a combo guard/wing.

Love Derrick & cant wait to see him & Dejounte together at last.

[Slippy]

Ball skills doesnt make a player exclusively a PG. Derricks versatility & size allow him to play in a lot of lineups as a combo guard/wing.

Love Derrick & cant wait to see him & Dejounte together at last.

No but for a pure PG it would be a required skill. Defensively he s already proven he can handle other positions. Ultimately I want him as spurs floor General and initiator of the offense over Derozon.

[Slippy]

Dejounte I can wait for. You gotta wonder would we have seen the best of derrick if dj was healthy as a starter. Highly doubt it.

[SpursDynasty85]

Derrick is inconsistent on offense because he plays with 3 ball dominant scorers in the starting lineup (DeRozan, Aldridge, Gay). Derrick is most comfortable as the playmaker but those other 3 aren't the best players off the ball. In that regard, Derrick is doing about as much as can be expected from him. He just needs to call his number a little more and score.

[ceperez]

Derrick is inconsistent on offense because he plays with 3 ball dominant scorers in the starting lineup (DeRozan, Aldridge, Gay). Derrick is most comfortable as the playmaker but those other 3 aren't the best players off the ball. In that regard, Derrick is doing about as much as can be expected from him. He just needs to call his number a little more and score.

This rings very true. DeRozan, Aldridge and Gay are the worse off ball players in the team. When White makes his move, he's exploiting a momentary weakness in the defense and if you aren't moving in the spot where you need to be, his move becomes non-consequential.

I mean, how many times did we see White stuck underneath the basket with nobody to pass it to?

White is like a Tom Brady, you got to know your routes if you are to be effective. Spurs should play White like a James Harden, that is, with a license to chuck the 3 when needed.

[BackHome]

I always new he could do the PG duties but I have been impressed by his D and his 3 are money. I think he is a great set up PG which he showed during G League guys like Brimah were getting easy dunks with him setting them up. I think he pairs perfect with Poodle as he can easily set him up for easy baskets or just pull up and shoot the 3.

[koriwhat]

Dejounte I can wait for. You gotta wonder would we have seen the best of derrick if dj was healthy as a starter. Highly doubt it.

good problem to have tbh. crazy though to think this derrick might've never been seen in a spurs jersey if dj was our starting pg.

and he has become my fav spur, in this era, ever since that lakers game where we came back and Aldridge sat on the bench on 4th qtr.

[ceperez]

good problem to have tbh. crazy though to think this derrick might've never been seen in a spurs jersey if dj was our starting pg.

and he has become my fav spur, in this era, ever since that lakers game where we came back and Aldridge sat on the bench on 4th qtr.

I've been saying for a while now, White is the Spurs best player in the roster. Just look at his shooting percentages if you aren't sure.

If he chucked the ball as much as Aldridge or DeRozan, he'll be scoring much more.

[koriwhat]

I've been saying for a while now, White is the Spurs best player in the roster. Just look at his shooting percentages if you aren't sure.

If he chucked the ball as much as Aldridge or DeRozan, he'll be scoring much more.

his % is great from what i've seen. he's very composed and always looks for the higher % shot. dude is great imo and i can't wait to see how far up the ladder he climbs.

[NameLess Scrub]

He has proven me wrong so far. I like him better than DJ already since he can actually handle the ball like a PG and doesn't need to learn how to shoot.

[blah28]

Can the Spurs offer him an extension early? With each passing game, his value keeps going up and up.

[Harry Callahan]

DW in my opinion can be a Joe Dumars type of player. That would be good news.

[SupremeGuy]

I think he's become my favorite player on the team. Pleasant fucking surprise.

[tmtcsc]

Even if he eventually relinquishes that job to a healthy Dejounte Murray

:lol GTFOH. That ship has sailed. DW is who Murray wants to grow up to be.

[DAF86]

All these fuckers saying "pleasant surprise":lol

Learn to watch ball, or at least follow the opinions of those of us who do.

[ceperez]

his % is great from what i've seen. he's very composed and always looks for the higher % shot. dude is great imo and i can't wait to see how far up the ladder he climbs.

He's advanced skills in all aspects of the game. The big problem is that he's also the best wing defender!

Manu credits his great play because he had Bruce Bowen to take on the opponent's best player. White doesn't have that luxury! Maybe that's why a Stanley Johnson is in great need. Someone needs to be spending their time harassing the Hardens of the league. This cannot be White.

[BackHome]

That’s why I think Murray and White can work with Murray guarding best player allowing White to expand more energy on offense

[Dex]

:lol GTFOH. That ship has sailed. DW is who Murray wants to grow up to be.

I don't get this sentiment like it has to be one or the other.

DJ and White could easily share the floor and the ball-handling duties...and would be one hell of a defensive duo in the backcourt.

The real complication is that DDR is more of a natural 2, but he can easily slide to the 3 in todays NBA. The standard positions aren't as important with the way the game is being played...it's basically 4 smalls and 1 big these days.

Spurs main focus needs to be on a solid defensive 3/4, and this team could compete with the best.

[XDT76]

He's advanced skills in all aspects of the game. The big problem is that he's also the best wing defender!

Manu credits his great play because he had Bruce Bowen to take on the opponent's best player. White doesn't have that luxury! Maybe that's why a Stanley Johnson is in great need. Someone needs to be spending their time harassing the Hardens of the league. This cannot be White.

DW can be like Gary Payton, run the offense and play defence. Doesn't needs to be the No. 1 scorer avg 16 pts, 6 ast, 2 stl. Or in DW case 16, 6, 1 and 1 blk.

[r0drig0lac]

DW can be like Gary Payton, run the offense and play defence. Doesn't needs to be the No. 1 scorer avg 16 pts, 6 ast, 2 stl. Or in DW case 16, 6, 1 and 1 blk.

exactly, Walt Frazier and especially Gary Payton are the most similar players in game style

[FkLA]

I am going to chokeout the next person that says White should/will relinquish the starting spot to Dejounte "Instagram baller" Murray, tbh.

[DAF86]

How many 6/7, 4/5, 7/8, 5/6 games does this dude have? It seems like he puts on these type of shooting performances everyother game.

[sasaint]

I am going to chokeout the next person that says White should/will relinquish the starting spot to Dejounte "Instagram baller" Murray, tbh.

And White is the guy who needs to concentrate his efforts on the defensive end. :lol

[Gordy58]

How many 6/7, 4/5, 7/8, 5/6 games does this dude have? It seems like he puts on these type of shooting performances everyother game.
Imagine when Pop gives him a longer leash. I think he can legitimately score 18+

[Degoat]

I really hope Murray can develope a consistent jumper because him and white could be scary good together

[Slippy]

Or they could be scary bad since we know for real he cant shoot except on IG during training.

[jiggy_55]

How many 6/7, 4/5, 7/8, 5/6 games does this dude have? It seems like he puts on these type of shooting performances everyother game.

It's amazing really, but he's also handpicking good shots most of the time. If the volume increases significantly, I'd expect it to go way down quickly. But full credit to him, shooting 51% on the season a whopping 62% in January!

[Fireball]

he can accelerate to the rim and still lay up the ball softly ... Westbrook needed like 5+ seasons to learn that

[ceperez]

How many 6/7, 4/5, 7/8, 5/6 games does this dude have? It seems like he puts on these type of shooting performances everyother game.

White's main flaw is that he defers the offense to players that are less efficient that he is.

Interesting new offense in this game where White is dribbling around in circles looking for opportunities. Unless he's trapped, this is going to cause a ton of problems.

White's numbers can explode if he's given the one man offense rights that Aldridge, DeRozan and Gay have.

Honestly, the two really good players on a tight leash and ready to explode are White and Bertans. These two can take it to the next level.

[Maddog]

White's main flaw is that he defers the offense to players that are less efficient that he is.

Interesting new offense in this game where White is dribbling around in circles looking for opportunities. Unless he's trapped, this is going to cause a ton of problems.

White's numbers can explode if he's given the one man offense rights that Aldridge, DeRozan and Gay have.

Honestly, the two really good players on a tight leash and ready to explode are White and Bertans. These two can take it to the next level.

I've noticed that he is getting a little more assertive each game. Maybe not as fast as we wish, but slowly. It's easy to forget that this only his 30th start and only the 44th time he has played over 10 minutes in a game.

[ceperez]

I've noticed that he is getting a little more assertive each game. Maybe not as fast as we wish, but slowly. It's easy to forget that this only his 30th start and only the 44th time he has played over 10 minutes in a game.

The kid has all the skills to take it to the next level. I'm here to tell you all, he's the best player in the Spurs roster.

Now if Bertans becomes the 2nd best player, then the Spurs are indeed competitive!

[superbigtime]

Like him more n more n more

[exstatic]

White's main flaw is that he defers the offense to players that are less efficient that he is.

Interesting new offense in this game where White is dribbling around in circles looking for opportunities. Unless he's trapped, this is going to cause a ton of problems.

White's numbers can explode if he's given the one man offense rights that Aldridge, DeRozan and Gay have.

Honestly, the two really good players on a tight leash and ready to explode are White and Bertans. These two can take it to the next level.

Like it did for Steve Nash? If you've got your head on a swivel, looking for teammates, this is not an issue. In fact, it can cause problems for the opponents defense. You can quickly change which side of the floor is the 'strong side', and then switch it back in seconds, causing chaos for the defense. He does another thing that is not taught, also. He'll dribble in close, maybe 7-8 feet, and then pick up the ball. He is such a good passer, that a simple ball fake makes the defense turn their head, and he gets a short range pop-a-shot.

[ceperez]

Like it did for Steve Nash? If you've got your head on a swivel, looking for teammates, this is not an issue. In fact, it can cause problems for the opponents defense. You can quickly change which side of the floor is the 'strong side', and then switch it back in seconds, causing chaos for the defense. He does another thing that is not taught, also. He'll dribble in close, maybe 7-8 feet, and then pick up the ball. He is such a good passer, that a simple ball fake makes the defense turn their head, and he gets a short range pop-a-shot.

Yeah, like what Nash used to do. What White still lacks is that passing that Nash, Kidd and Manu had. He's the best passer in the team though!

Honestly, that's why he was so deadly surrounded with shooters like Bertans, Belinelli, Mills and Forbes. He just probes the defense, if it collapses on him, he's got these shooters waiting to have them pay. Also works well with a roll man like Poetl. The option then is to shut down his passing lanes, but that just means he'll lay it up.

[r0drig0lac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUCnBH6VEAg

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUCnBH6VEAg

You know when someone has high basketball IQ when everything looks so simple!!

[r0drig0lac]

You know when someone has high basketball IQ when everything looks so simple!!

yes, he has the calm of the great guards, it is truly incredible that none of us have any idea of what your ceiling can be.

[RC_Drunkford]

the pace on which he's improving is scary. He seems to get better every 10 games or so

[picnroll]

Game’s definitely coming easier to him. Love the way he’s able to draw the double and then punish the other team for it. Probably the best true PG Spurs have had forever. Parker was very impactful but in a different way, very effective but not a true classic PG.

[Coach X]

What's Derrick's ceiling?

Seriously.

To the veterans: do you remember Tony looking that good on his first season running the team? I don't remember very well.

He has the whole package: the physical tools, the IQ, the personality, a complete set of skills, the hunger for winning and the will of being coached... White looks like the perfect point guard. We knew he was good but what he's showing is too much.

I want to keep my feet on the ground thinking he's playing 120% of his capabilities and he can't sustain this rhythm for the rest of the season. Otherwise...


http://i.giphy.com/xT0BKE3pKmCd4RTQIM.gif

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

do you remember Tony looking that good on his first season running the team? I don't remember very well.



Tony even in his first couple of seasons as a teenager was getting to the rim and finishing with ease and he was instantly one of top 3 fastest players, arguably the fastest. So he had 2 elite skills coming into the league - super talented.

Derrick is good obviously, but he's more a jack of all trades, he doesn't really have an elite skill yet. And he's not 19 either, so his ceiling is lower than Tony's imo. But he can be a very solid combo guard for years to come. Barring injuries he'll easily have a 10+ years NBA career.

[SpursDynasty85]

What's Derrick's ceiling?

Seriously.

To the veterans: do you remember Tony looking that good on his first season running the team? I don't remember very well.

He has the whole package: the physical tools, the IQ, the personality, a complete set of skills, the hunger for winning and the will of being coached... White looks like the perfect point guard. We knew he was good but what he's showing is too much.

I want to keep my feet on the ground thinking he's playing 120% of his capabilities and he can't sustain this rhythm for the rest of the season. Otherwise...


http://i.giphy.com/xT0BKE3pKmCd4RTQIM.gif

Being 25 and having a year in the Gleague helps a lot. Derrick White worked really hard from being a 6'0" freshman in college. His game is fundamentally sound and he has little savvy tricks here and there. Tony came in a 19 year bullet. Took Tony about 4 years. He was about 23 or 24 when he looked as good as Derrick Whote does now.

[Chinook]

Being 25 and having a year in the Gleague helps a lot. Derrick White worked really hard from being a 6'0" freshman in college. His game is fundamentally sound and he has little savvy tricks here and there. Tony came in a 19 year bullet. Took Tony about 4 years. He was about 23 or 24 when he looked as good as Derrick Whote does now.

White is like Duncan and Green in that his birthday is in the off-season. He's only 24 and will be for every game he plays this season. He's 25 the same way Murray is 23. I don't know if I'd compare him and Parker. White is a really good PG. His understanding of his position on the court and how his actions cause other players to react. But Parker's ability to penetrate was always tremendous. He had to learn what Derrick knows, but Derrick probably isn't going to ever learn to do what Tony did. Very different players.

[look_at_g_shred]

White is like Duncan and Green in that his birthday is in the off-season. He's only 24 and will be for every game he plays this season. He's 25 the same way Murray is 23. I don't know if I'd compare him and Parker. White is a really good PG. His understanding of his position on the court and how his actions cause other players to react. But Parker's ability to penetrate was always tremendous. He had to learn what Derrick knows, but Derrick probably isn't going to ever learn to do what Tony did. Very different players.
Duncan's birthday is in April

[313]

White's play style reminds me a lot of Derozen, when Derozen is playing the PG role. They both make the game look simple, the difference obviously being Derozen being bigger and more naturally gifted while White has the higher BBIQ, which is the better quality to have with their play style imo. Derozen often makes a great move and then takes an ill advised shot or passes out of a drive to someone who's not open. Derozens skillset would be better suited for a Westbrook.

[RD2191]

Can you imagine the hype White would be getting if he played for a market like LA or NY? This kid is good, real good, and only getting better. Crazy efficient as well. Might even be an all star next season.

[RD2191]

People talking about SA not having what it takes to trade with the Pelicans, I'll tell you something, I like white more than any scrub on the Lakers. Tbh

[SpursDynasty85]

White is like Duncan and Green in that his birthday is in the off-season. He's only 24 and will be for every game he plays this season. He's 25 the same way Murray is 23. I don't know if I'd compare him and Parker. White is a really good PG. His understanding of his position on the court and how his actions cause other players to react. But Parker's ability to penetrate was always tremendous. He had to learn what Derrick knows, but Derrick probably isn't going to ever learn to do what Tony did. Very different players.

It's not a bad idea to compare TP to Derrick. TP is the standard bearer of point guard for the Spurs. What TP did is what Derrick will eventually have to learn. Derrick was weaving through screens and the paint and making the offense flow. TP in around 2007 and especially around 2012 to 2013 was doing that samething. Derrick is no young TP but he sure can learn from the older Tony.

[SpursDynasty85]

Can you imagine the hype White would be getting if he played for a market like LA or NY? This kid is good, real good, and only getting better. Crazy efficient as well. Might even be an all star next season.

I imagine the ae hype Josh Hart and Kuzma got. White is not a super star. He is a great find and in a very efficient system that matches his strengths. If Spurs drafted Kuzma and Hart they would be much better off than having to play Lebrony ball.

[BillMc]

White is like Duncan and Green in that his birthday is in the off-season. He's only 24 and will be for every game he plays this season. He's 25 the same way Murray is 23. I don't know if I'd compare him and Parker. White is a really good PG. His understanding of his position on the court and how his actions cause other players to react. But Parker's ability to penetrate was always tremendous. He had to learn what Derrick knows, but Derrick probably isn't going to ever learn to do what Tony did. Very different players.

Who do you think will be the starting point guard by mid-season next year? Murray or White (or someone else)?

[Trill Clinton]

Just ordered his jersey.

[Chinook]

Duncan's birthday is in April

Off-season had he been traded to the Lakers then.

[DAF86]

I so want to know what he would do if given a bigger role.

[Chinook]

Who do you think will be the starting point guard by mid-season next year? Murray or White (or someone else)?

I don't think it's someone else unless injuries strike again. Right now, I'm expecting Pop to keep starting them both. Murray being unable to shoot from the three might cause him to rethink it and put Forbes in, but I don't think he's against running White and Murray as starters and Mills and Forbes as backups at all. If something happened to cause only one guard spot to be open or if Pop had to keep Forbes starting, I'd put money on White to keep the job. He's the team's best defensive ace, and putting him on opposing perimeter players to slow them down makes a ton of sense. Murray might be a better dynamo, but that works just as well on the bench. Something like Mills, Murray, Beli, Bertans and Poeltl should be a very good bench on both ends. White would run the second-unit really well and make Poeltl's offensive life easier. But his defensive ability wouldn't be as useful there. No one really uses one-on-one defenders off the bench. By the time they come in to check someone, that player's either already out of the game, or they're in a rhythm and that much harder to slow.

[ceperez]

Derrick White is probably one of those people that come from a eugenics program (see: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Khan_Noonien_Singh ).

A late bloomer that started college at 6' and gained 4"+ playing in division 2.
There's an IQ advantage of staying young much longer. Humans and dogs are examples of primates and wolves that stay young much longer.

Look at the guy's forehead, it's much larger than Sam Cassell. If you remember Sam Cassell when he was a rookie in the Rockets NBA championship team, the guy could not miss!

Usually guards this good can't shoot (see: Kid, Rondo), this guy can hit the 3 and can do in consistency on the dribble!

He's not as big as James Harden, so that where you can mark his limit!

[BD24]

The white supremacist on the board are probably torn. They love his last name, but he is black. Tough position for them.

[SpursDynasty85]

Derrick White is probably one of those people that come from a eugenics program (see: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Khan_Noonien_Singh ).

A late bloomer that started college at 6' and gained 4"+ playing in division 2.
There's an IQ advantage of staying young much longer. Humans and dogs are examples of primates and wolves that stay young much longer.

Look at the guy's forehead, it's much larger than Sam Cassell. If you remember Sam Cassell when he was a rookie in the Rockets NBA championship team, the guy could not miss!

Usually guards this good can't shoot (see: Kid, Rondo), this guy can hit the 3 and can do in consistency on the dribble!

He's not as big as James Harden, so that where you can mark his limit!

Good point, Derrick has extra finesse, and tricky and savvy ways of attacking and finishing to the rim. It probably benefitted him to hone his game as a smaller player which required more skill and then he grew into his current NBA body. This guy is going to be good for quite a while.

[Drom John]

Currently among 2018 draftees, White is 16th in career WS, 10th in WS/48, 8th in BPM, 10th in VORP.

WS
1 Jayson Tatum
2T John Collins, Jarrett Allen
4 Bam Adebayo
5 Donovan Mitchell
6 Kyle Kuzma
7 Josh Hart
8T Jordan Bell, Lauri Markannen
10 OG Anunoby
11 Lonzo Ball
12 Monte Morris
13 Luke Kennard
14 Thomas Bryant
15 Terrance Ferguson
16T Zach Collins, De'Aaron Fox, Derrick White

WS/48
1 Thomas Bryant
2 Jarrett Allen
3 Bam Abedayo
4T John Collins, Jordan Bell
6 Justin Patton (4 minutes)
7 Monte Morris
8 Jayson Tatum
9 D.J. Wilson
10T Ivan Rabb, Derrick White

BPM
1 Justin Patton (4 min)
2 Jordan Bell
3 John Collins
4T Lonzo Ball, Jarrett Allen, Bam Abedayo
7 Thomas Bryant
8T Donovan Mitchell, Derrick White

VORP
1 Donovan Mitchell
2T John Collins, Lonzo Ball
4 Jayson Tatum
5 Jarrett Allen
6 Bam Abedayo
7 Jordan Bell
8 Josh Hart
9 OG Anunoby
10T Derrick White, Kyle Kuzma

[ceperez]

Good point, Derrick has extra finesse, and tricky and savvy ways of attacking and finishing to the rim. It probably benefitted him to hone his game as a smaller player which required more skill and then he grew into his current NBA body. This guy is going to be good for quite a while.

Those years playing as a smaller play helped him develop a unique game that makes use of positioning and shifts in movements. It's like he's doing some kind of jujitsu on the opponent. Notice how he feels where defensive players are at and makes a move in reaction.

[timvp]

Probably the best true PG Spurs have had forever. Parker was very impactful but in a different way, very effective but not a true classic PG.I don't see White as a true classic point guard, tbh. True classic point guard to me is in the John Stockton or pre-Rockets Chris Paul mold. White is never going to be a huge assist guy. I see White more as a combo guard who dribbles well enough to play point guard, has great court vision and is unselfish. I'd be surprising if he turns into an assist-generating point guard who spends all game setting up his teammates.

And, really, that's a good thing. If he can play 1, 2 or 3 offensively and 1, 2 or 3 defensively, that is more valuable than a true classic point guard you have to build around.


What's Derrick's ceiling?

Seriously.

To the veterans: do you remember Tony looking that good on his first season running the team? I don't remember very well.Parker was 19 so it's difficult to compare but TP was an obvious born point guard with that typical alpha point guard mentality. He was more of a score-first point guard, obviously, but there was no question he was a point guard.

White is different. He looks really good, don't get me wrong, but nothing about him screams that he needs to be a long-term point guard. If Murray comes back next year healthy and improved and White needs to shift to shooting guard, he can do so and play a similar role to what he's playing right now.

[Chinook]

White is different. He looks really good, don't get me wrong, but nothing about him screams that he needs to be a long-term point guard. If Murray comes back next year healthy and improved and White needs to shift to shooting guard, he can do so and play a similar role to what he's playing right now.

How do you think White would fare in a Murray/White/DeRozan/Gay/Aldridge unit? I see that as a lineup with both a high ceiling and disappointingly low floor. Feel like he suffers a lot in such an offense unless Gay and Murray move mostly off the ball. Derrick isn't Stockton, but most PGs aren't. I don't think it's useful to compare him to extremely ball-dominant players to say what he isn't. He's more of a PG than most who play the position today. Guys who focus on assists like Westbrook and Rondo may not even be playing the position properly anymore. White's ability to balance scoring and play-making and using one to set up the other makes him exactly a modern-day PG in my eyes. I see combo-guards closer to Mills or Forbes in their skill-sets.

[spurraider21]

white is in the mold of brandon roy

roy was easily the better athlete, but they have similar games. roy started alongside steve blake who was the "point guard" even though roy ran the offense.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I don't see White as a true classic point guard, tbh. True classic point guard to me is in the John Stockton or pre-Rockets Chris Paul mold. White is never going to be a huge assist guy. I see White more as a combo guard who dribbles well enough to play point guard, has great court vision and is unselfish. I'd be surprising if he turns into an assist-generating point guard who spends all game setting up his teammates.

And, really, that's a good thing. If he can play 1, 2 or 3 offensively and 1, 2 or 3 defensively, that is more valuable than a true classic point guard you have to build around.

Parker was 19 so it's difficult to compare but TP was an obvious born point guard with that typical alpha point guard mentality. He was more of a score-first point guard, obviously, but there was no question he was a point guard.

White is different. He looks really good, don't get me wrong, but nothing about him screams that he needs to be a long-term point guard. If Murray comes back next year healthy and improved and White needs to shift to shooting guard, he can do so and play a similar role to what he's playing right now.

Lots of options with both White and Murray. I thought about what an Aldridge, Gay, DeRozan, Murrray, White lineup would look like. Not enough outside shooting from deep. Maybe Murray or White, and Gay end up spending a lot more time leading the second unit.

[ceperez]

Lots of options with both White and Murray. I thought about what an Aldridge, Gay, DeRozan, Murrray, White lineup would look like. Not enough outside shooting from deep. Maybe Murray or White, and Gay end up spending a lot more time leading the second unit.

Walker IV is a better shooter than Murray. So, what about White, Murray, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge?

[timvp]

How do you think White would fare in a Murray/White/DeRozan/Gay/Aldridge unit? I see that as a lineup with both a high ceiling and disappointingly low floor. Feel like he suffers a lot in such an offense unless Gay and Murray move mostly off the ball. It could be really good in theory but I agree with your assessment that the lineup's floor is low. So low, in fact, that it might not work at all and could be scrapped.

-Murray would have to be willing to play off the ball quite a bit. To do so, he'd have to have an outside jumper. The spacing of the lineup dies if Murray can't at least hit open corner three-pointers because none of the other players in that lineup are tried-and-true, high volume three-point shooters. Even if Murray can hit open three-pointers, the spacing will be less than ideal because there's no way he could space the court like Forbes with his low and slow release that allows teams to play far off of him.

-DeRozan will have to adjust to not being a quasi point guard. He'd be playing more of a legit swingman role. He hasn't done that much this season so it's difficult to project how that'd play out.

-The coaching staff will have to figure out a way to keep White involved offensively. His main flaw right now is his on-and-off assertiveness and in that lineup he could easily be lost in the shuffle. He'd be the best passer of the bunch so the more the ball is in his hands, the better.

-Aldridge and Gay are probably near athleticism cliffs. If either loses a step, the defensive and rebounding decline would be steep.


Derrick isn't Stockton, but most PGs aren't. I don't think it's useful to compare him to extremely ball-dominant players to say what he isn't.I mean, it's useful to compare him to extremely ball-dominant players to make the point that he's not and doesn't project to be an extremely ball-dominant player.


He's more of a PG than most who play the position today. Guys who focus on assists like Westbrook and Rondo may not even be playing the position properly anymore.Don't disagree.

And, again, I view White not projecting to be a ball-dominant classic point guard as a positive. The last ball-dominant point guard to win a championship was ... Magic Johnson? And his height alone made him not truly a classic point guard.


White's ability to balance scoring and play-making and using one to set up the other makes him exactly a modern-day PG in my eyes. I see combo-guards closer to Mills or Forbes in their skill-sets.Agree with the first sentence.

I view White as a combo guard with legit point guard ball-handling, court vision and passing whose versatility and lack of requiring a high usage allows him to fit a variety of roles. Hair splitting, though; looks like we mostly agree.

[Degoat]

I believe They announce the rising stars roster tonight on TNT, I’m gonna bummed if Derrick White doesn’t make it

[exstatic]

I believe They announce the rising stars roster tonight on TNT, I’m gonna bummed if Derrick White doesn’t make it

He likely won't. Not real well known outside of SA.

[Degoat]

He likely won't. Not real well known outside of SA.

Yeah you’re probably right, I hope not though. I was thinking and I’m sure for guards Fox, Mitchell, and Lonzo are probably locks for the guard position

[Slippy]

How do you think White would fare in a Murray/White/DeRozan/Gay/Aldridge unit? I see that as a lineup with both a high ceiling and disappointingly low floor. Feel like he suffers a lot in such an offense unless Gay and Murray move mostly off the ball. Derrick isn't Stockton, but most PGs aren't. I don't think it's useful to compare him to extremely ball-dominant players to say what he isn't. He's more of a PG than most who play the position today. Guys who focus on assists like Westbrook and Rondo may not even be playing the position properly anymore. White's ability to balance scoring and play-making and using one to set up the other makes him exactly a modern-day PG in my eyes. I see combo-guards closer to Mills or Forbes in their skill-sets.

Same way i see it. He has PG instincts that combo guards dont possess. Someone said earlier he deferring. Thats his instincts guiding him, if he sees an easier shot he will pass it. I dont see him ever going that scorer first mentality. Its also a mindset that DJ or combo guards struggle to show or grow into. All you can hope for is DJ improving his shot and dribble.

[Degoat]

Damn white didn’t make the team....

[DAF86]

Damn white didn’t make the team....

What team?

[Degoat]

What team?

the rising stars game during all star weekend, the rookie/sophomore game.

[DAF86]

the rising stars game during all star weekend, the rookie/sophomore game.

Not even as a reserve?

[RD2191]

Man, I hope the Spurs use these snubs for fuel in the playoffs.

[KDKSpurs24]

Not even as a reserve?
It’s more difficult now since they are doing the US vs the World format. So only a certain number of spots for American born players.

[DAF86]

Man, I hope the Spurs use these snubs for fuel in the playoffs.

Yeah, it's getting to the point where I even want LA and DD to not make the All-star game so that the entire roster can get behind this narrative and play with a chip on their shoulder for the rest of the season. :lol

[DAF86]

It’s more difficult now since they are doing the US vs the World format. So only a certain number of spots for American born players.

Does anyone have the list of selected US players?

[HarlemHeat37]

Don't really see who he would have made it over, tbh..maybe Marvin Bagley, but that's it .

White's been a monster, but you have to consider that this nice stretch has only been for the past month or so..

[Degoat]

Does anyone have the list of selected US players?

USA Team- donovan Mitchell, Kyle Kuzma, Fox, Ben Simmons, Tatum, lonzo, John Collins, Marvin bagley, trae young, jaren Jackson, and jarret Allen

[Degoat]

Ben Simmons is from Australia so idk why he’s on the Usa team lol but seriously White should be on over lonzo and bagley

[Degoat]

My mistake, Simmons is on the world team

[picnroll]

White deserves it more than Ball or Young but don’t have the cache for Silver.

[DAF86]

USA Team- donovan Mitchell, Kyle Kuzma, Fox, Ben Simmons, Tatum, lonzo, John Collins, Marvin bagley, trae young, jaren Jackson, and jarret Allen

Ben Simmons is considered a Stater now? :lol

Also :lmao Lonzo

[Leetonidas]

Not surprised they snubbed white for L:lolngo ball but still bullshit

[KDKSpurs24]

Ben Simmons is considered a Stater now? :lol

Also :lmao Lonzo
Simmons is on World.

[picnroll]

Ben Simmons is considered a Stater now? :lol

Also :lmao Lonzo

Hart is more deserving than Ball.

[jermaine]

I feel bad but keep waiting for White to fall off or hit the rookie wall.