Gun Control

[koriwhat]

"Welp, the world isn't ideal! We just have to accept that because certain people have a gun fetish, kids being murdered in cold blood by their classmates is a reality!"

cars out of gas but it must be the blinker.... why are you not so up in arms, no pun intended, over bigPharma and the role they play in all of this and more? as well, why aren't you outraged at the incompetence of our FBI and local forces prior to all these events? hmm... agenda driven indoctrination.

[Nathan89]

"Welp, the world isn't ideal! We just have to accept that because certain people have a gun fetish, kids being murdered in cold blood by their classmates is a reality!"

"Welp, accidents happen! We just have to accept that because certain people have a alcohol fetish, innocent people dying in preventable accidents is a reality!"

Only a selfish perspective will have you crying for gun control and being silent about alcohol even though thousands of lives are lost every year because of alcohol.

"Accident" and "on purpose" is irrelevant. In fact, that becomes more favorable for guns. Because if they want to kill people on purpose they will regardless. Meanwhile taking alcohol away will prevent the accident.

[Nathan89]

You realize that they have drones and bombs, right?

You realize guerilla tactics are still effective today with the existence of those technologies, right?

[Nathan89]

"They are so powerful we have no chance. Let's become weaker!":lmao

[pgardn]

CNN has spotted a trend of vehicles being used as weapons, so now we just need to wait for the calls to ban vehicles: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/22/world/vehicles-as-weapons/index.html

Yep... there's the call to ban vehicles from US cities: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessesinger/ban-cars?utm_term=.qfY5EqYAj#.whpxL3Wp4

Might as well follow Europe's lead and ban cars since they are so great and don't allow guns: http://www.businessinsider.com/cities-going-car-free-ban-2017-8


No see you don't get it either.
Cars and trucks are not allowed everywhere. And the places they are allowed, and allowed to move very rapidly, we know people will die. We will not lower the speed limit to 30, even though we know this might lead to fewer vehicular deaths. This nation has made the aforementioned clear. We are willing to accept many deaths via transportation. We strive for fewer, but in the meantime,many people will die. The price of transportation. In fact, this happens so often that all of us have probably have had conversations with people who are no longer alive due to vehicles associated with transportation accidents. We send family home with a "drive safely". We accept this.

Now.
Guess what this country appears to be contemplating not accepting...

Now you can argue about defense from tyranny, defend yourself, banning guns will have the opposite effect. You can even explain how the ar-15 is not primarily used to kill people, just like cars are not... The vast majority of ar-15s have not been used to kill people. Go.

[DMC]

So you predict boards like this will be nixed like in China? Before what?

Private forums have absolutely nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. You'd think a teacher would know this.


And...No it does not at all.

The progression of hunting deer hunting since bow hunting and rifle/scopes technology is so good. IMO south Texas:

1. Kid - rifle "my first one dad"
2. Adult - rifle to bow "rifle too easy, bow hunting is sporty"
3. Old - bow to camera " lm tired of field dressing. I'll show the kid and we will get meat"


forgot:

You got you own land or lease with others or both?
And whatever the above, don't you/they want to try and kill at least a few pigs?

Bunny/pancake

[DMC]

I dare anyone here to approach a grieving parent of a dead kid and tell them their loss from an auto accident isn't as tragic as the kid who died by gunfire in a school.

[SpursforSix]

You realize guerilla tactics are still effective today with the existence of those technologies, right?

To all the above scenarios, I'll add the possibility of some country setting off an EMP. Or hack the power grids. In those cases and similar, I'd want to be able to protect my family with a semi auto rifle.

[pgardn]

Private forums have absolutely nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. You'd think a teacher would know this.


Bunny/pancake

Private forum... Sure
Teacher... (Of you Badda Bing)
Oh cmon ya graduated grandpa...

[DMC]

Private forum... Sure
Teacher... (Of you Badda Bing)
Oh cmon ya graduated grandpa...

This is a privately owned forum. You can be censored here and it doesn't have anything to do with your rights.

You said you are a teacher.

Maybe cut back on the prose just a bit if you want someone to understand you. It doesn't impress me that you're vague as fuck.

[DMC]

To all the above scenarios, I'll add the possibility of some country setting off an EMP. Or hack the power grids. In those cases and similar, I'd want to be able to protect my family with a semi auto rifle.

EMP would need to be nuke level and relatively close to impair solid state devices.

[Nathan89]

I dare anyone here to approach a grieving parent of a dead kid and tell them their loss from an auto accident isn't as tragic as the kid who died by gunfire in a school.

"Oh, your child died from the intentional choice of someone to drive while drunk? Well good thing they didn't die from the intentional choice of someone to shoot them. See the first is what I classify as an accident which is fine and therefore alcohol use perfectly acceptable. The second is a choice and therefore much much worse and something needs to be done about it. Consider yourself lucky that your child died by accident."

[pgardn]

This is a privately owned forum. You can be censored here and it doesn't have anything to do with your rights.

You said you are a teacher.

Maybe cut back on the prose just a bit if you want someone to understand you. It doesn't impress me that you're vague as fuck.

You are okay. No one is gonna come get you and shut you up.

As a TA in grad school that was back a bit. You wanna look up my thesis. I guess I can still claim to be maybe because I volunteer some summers and tutor. Sometimes I wish I did more of that now.

I never wrote an article for Time Magazine that got far enough to be altered. It was too vague.

[Chris]

I dare anyone here to approach a grieving parent of a dead kid and tell them their loss from an auto accident isn't as tragic as the kid who died by gunfire in a school.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

[pgardn]

I dare anyone here to approach a grieving parent of a dead kid and tell them their loss from an auto accident isn't as tragic as the kid who died by gunfire in a school.

We as a society have accepted that death by transportation is to be expected.

So .... Yeah.

Going up to a grieving parent... Okay...

[Nathan89]

"We as a society have accepted that death by drunk driving is to be expected and accepted because we like drinking alcohol."

Selfish perspective.

[DMC]

You are okay. No one is gonna come get you and shut you up.

As a TA in grad school that was back a bit. You wanna look up my thesis. I guess I can still claim to be maybe because I volunteer some summers and tutor. Sometimes I wish I did more of that now.

I never wrote an article for Time Magazine that got far enough to be altered. It was too vague.

Yeah you're Boutons level stupid. All that money for an education and still your take is as unintelligible as a 4 year old discussing QED.

[DMC]

We as a society have accepted that death by transportation is to be expected.

So .... Yeah.

Going up to a grieving parent... Okay...

Go tell them we've accepted the loss of their child to be acceptable. Don't be a pussy.

[pgardn]

Go tell them we've accepted the loss of their child to be acceptable. Don't be a pussy.

Drama queen snowflake thinking

The numbers in the US tell us so. Every year.
No one needs tell them anything. They know the risk. They accepted the risk letting their kid into a car.

No matter what way a child dies there will be grieving. And then some parents will choose to ask why and is it was acceptable. Groups like MAD might arise to ask for some sort of control/punishment. Governments enact safety laws. My right to remain unbound inside my car will be trashed. And then I will fear for my freedom. And buy a gun.

Seriouslyyou wanna be silly, I'm here.

If you don't understand what I post or I am to vague ignore me, it's easy.

[DMC]

Drama queen snowflake thinking

The numbers in the US tell us so. Every year.
No one needs tell them anything. They know the risk. They accepted the risk letting their kid into a car.

No matter what way a child dies there will be grieving. And then some parents will choose to ask why and is it was acceptable. Groups like MAD might arise to ask for some sort of control/punishment. Governments enact safety laws. My right to remain unbound inside my car will be trashed. And then I will fear for my freedom. And buy a gun.

Seriouslyyou wanna be silly, I'm here.

If you don't understand what I post or I am to vague ignore me, it's easy.

THat's a lot of text to just say "no thanks".

[pgardn]

THat's a lot of text to just say "no thanks".

False equivalence stupidity.
Horrible quantum leap in an argument and you know this.

Short enough snowflake? (Emphasis on flake.)

[DMC]

False equivalence stupidity.
Horrible quantum leap in an argument and you know this.

Short enough snowflake? (Emphasis on flake.)

You're ok with kids dying in automobile accidents then?

[pgardn]

You're ok with kids dying in automobile accidents then?

Sure.
Thats exactly what I said.

If you believe the CDC, then the 2nd largest number of accidental deaths occur via automobile. The per capita loss of life is way down from the past, 50s on up... The reason it is down because auto safety has been "driven" by government responding to people. Auto makers now see the advantage. Technology on highways and streets has also vastly improved yet we still go 70 legally. The movement to stop transportation via auto everywhere in the US is.... where? Crowded cities?

Yet automobile cause the 2nd most accidental deaths. It would probably out-weigh most deaths from disease if our demographics were shifted towards young. The reason we are required to have auto insurance comes from the economic costs associated mostly due to people dying or getting severely injured. This is very costly. But WE, as a society, still drive. Even though WE know when WE enter the highway, WE have a much better chance of getting killed than on an airplane. WEstill drive. WE know the risks.


I am now going to drive to transport myself so I can play some soccer. If I die, I will allow you to poke fun at my family and friends. You tell them I did not care about kids dying in auto accidents.

[Pavlov]

Everyone knows the best way to deal with gun violence is to discuss auto accidents.

[Nathan89]

I guess adding perspective to the discussion isn't worthwhile to some people. Blind narrative is all we can handle.

[Nathan89]

"Snowflake thinking" is literally the foundation of your gun control "logic". You have to believe that your country is so unique that history would never possibly repeat. It's only way to push idiotic policy on a handful of deaths.

[DMC]

Sure.
Thats exactly what I said.

...

No need for more discussion then. You hate kids.

[Nathan89]

https://www.phdn.org/archives/einsatzgruppenarchives.com/images2/hanging.jpg

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

They said we could save 17 lives if we gave up our guns.

[Blake]

https://www.phdn.org/archives/einsatzgruppenarchives.com/images2/hanging.jpg

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

They said we could save 17 lives if we gave up our guns.

Do you think that could happen here?

[Pavlov]

Do you think that could happen here?He's going to fight the army guerrilla style because it worked in Syria.

[Nathan89]

Do you think that could happen here?

It could happen in any country. Did human nature to seek power change recently?

[Nathan89]

He's going to fight the army guerrilla style because it worked in Syria.

Guerilla warfare has been proven effective throughout history.

So you have think the following for gun control:

1. History couldn't possibly repeat.
2. Ignore that guerilla warfare has been effective throughout history.

[Blake]

It could happen in any country. Did human nature to seek power change recently?

So you think we could actually get to a point of forbidding Jews to have guns here.

Ok.

[Pavlov]

Guerilla warfare has been proven effective throughout history.Indeed. Syria is a shining example.

[Nathan89]

So you think we could actually get to a point of forbidding Jews to have guns here.

Ok.

Yes, along with everyone else who isn't a Jew.

[Nathan89]

Some people think the government is too powerful now for guerilla tactics to be useful. They follow that to the logical conclusion that the people should be weaker and more vulnerable to that government.

[Blake]

Yes, along with everyone else who isn't a Jew.

Ok kook

[Nathan89]

Ok kook

Yeah, "crazy". You people are so warped that idea of a ever needing a gun vs a powerful enemy is beyond imagination. If that's narrative being pushed on the masses then that takes the core foundational need for guns away.

[Isitjustme?]

https://www.phdn.org/archives/einsatzgruppenarchives.com/images2/hanging.jpg

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

They said we could save 17 lives if we gave up our guns.

Are you retarded?

[Pavlov]

Some people think the government is too powerful now for guerilla tactics to be useful.Convince me otherwise. Tell me how you're going to beat the armed forces of the US government.

[koriwhat]

Yeah, "crazy". You people are so warped that idea of a ever needing a gun vs a powerful enemy is beyond imagination. If that's narrative being pushed on the masses then that takes the core foundational need for guns away.

:tu


Convince me otherwise. Tell me how you're going to beat the armed forces of the US government.

probably won't stand a chance but rather die trying if it came to it.

[Pavlov]

:tu



probably won't stand a chance but rather die trying if it came to it.Do you currently posses an anti-government arsenal?

Walk me through the process in which you would decide to take up arms against the government of the United States.

[koriwhat]

Do you currently posses an anti-government arsenal?

Walk me through the process in which you would decide to take up arms against the government of the United States.

currently, no. i have shot guns and thoroughly enjoy doing so even though i was strongly against them up until about 27 yrs old.

both of us have yet to endure such an event and hopefully we never have to. therefore i have no idea how to answer such a question but having a gun is a step up in my opinion.

plenty of my friends and family are licensed gun owners who have never shot up a school nor anyone for that matter. but we're scared of the guns and not the source of what makes these psychos snap.

[Pavlov]

currently, no. i have shot guns and thoroughly enjoy doing so even though i was strongly against them up until about 27 yrs old.

both of us have yet to endure such an event and hopefully we never have to. therefore i have no idea how to answer such a question but having a gun is a step up in my opinion.

plenty of my friends and family are licensed gun owners who have never shot up a school nor anyone for that matter. but we're scared of the guns and not the source of what makes these psychos snap.I'm scared that psychos can get guns like AR-15s so easily tbh.

[koriwhat]

I'm scared that psychos can get guns like AR-15s so easily tbh.

yeah, i'm not into that either man. not familiar with guns and calibers to be honest. all i know is that a 50 cal is too much for me, an AK is fun, but a 9mm seems to be about right.

[CosmicCowboy]

Do you currently posses an anti-government arsenal?

Walk me through the process in which you would decide to take up arms against the government of the United States.
I may have too much faith in the armed forces but dont think they would ever honor an order to fire on civilians.

[Nathan89]

Convince me otherwise. Tell me how you're going to beat the armed forces of the US government.

Convince me on how becoming weaker is advantageous when combating a powerful opponent.

Also I've already mentioned a key component of my strategy. Also I mentioned the fact that guerilla warfare has been effective on countless occasions through history.

Government=Warriors
Armed citizens=Spurs
Unarmed citizens=dleague team(your preference :lmao )

[Nathan89]

I may have too much faith in the armed forces but dont think they would ever honor an order to fire on civilians.

You have too much faith in the armed forces. All it takes is a little propaganda and civilians become an enemy.

[Pavlov]

Convince me on how becoming weaker is advantageous when combating a powerful opponent.

Also I've already mentioned a key component of my strategy. Also I mentioned the fact that guerilla warfare has been effective on countless occasions through history.

Government=Warriors
Armed citizens=Spurs
Unarmed citizens=dleague team(your preference :lmao )Yeah, I'm asking for specifics on how you're going to beat the armed forces of the US.

All you've said so far is "you know, guerrilla stuff."

[Nathan89]

Yeah, I'm asking for specifics on how you're going to beat the armed forces of the US.

All you've said so far is "you know, guerrilla stuff."

I have a quote in one of my comments some specifics. You don't need to specifics to understand that we would be better off with guns than without them. Guerrilla warfare has been proven effective countless times.

[Pavlov]

I have a quote in one of my comments some specifics. You don't need to specifics to understand that we would be better off with guns than without them. Guerrilla warfare has been proven effective countless times.I don't have your specifics on how you will fight the armed forces of the US.

Walk me through one of your guerrilla attacks.

[KenMcCoy]

I'm scared that psychos can get guns like AR-15s so easily tbh.

You're not scared of a psycho putting bombs on people's doorstep?

[Pavlov]

You're not scared of a psycho putting bombs on people's doorstep?Since it's actually happening in Austin, sure -- but tell me how easy it is to produce and use the bombs that are being used here and compare that to buying an AR-15 and shooting up a school.

I'll wait for your full comparison.

[KenMcCoy]

Since it's actually happening in Austin, sure -- but tell me how easy it is to produce and use the bombs that are being used here and compare that to buying an AR-15 and shooting up a school.

I'll wait for your full comparison.

I'm all for comprehensive background checks for firearms...check arrest history, psychological testing, medication history, mandatory gun classes, etc. Would also support no semi-auto rifles for anyone younger than 21.

Just don't think an AR ban solves anything.

[Pavlov]

I'm all for comprehensive background checks for firearms...check arrest history, psychological testing, medication history, mandatory gun classes, etc. Would also support no semi-auto rifles for anyone younger than 21.

Just don't think an AR ban solves anything.What happened to your bomb comparison?

[KenMcCoy]

Just don't feel like searching "how to build a bomb" right now since I live in the Austin area.

[Pavlov]

Just don't feel like searching "how to build a bomb" right now since I live in the Austin area.From what little I know, this guy is pretty good at it. Suffice it to say it's more difficult than buying and using a gun.

[KenMcCoy]

Went ahead and did it... apparently it's rather easy:

Pressure cooker devices are among a variety of homemade explosives that are “very, very easy” for people to make, Paul Worsey, an explosives expert from the Missouri University of Science and Technology, said.

...

An explosive pressure cooker device usually involves little more than powder from fireworks and some nails, Worsey said. Because such items are readily available in stores, it is difficult for authorities to track homemade explosives.

“These are designed to be very, very simple,” Worsey said. “You don’t have to have a degree or any formal training. That’s why these things—some will go off and kill people and some won’t. The point of the thing is to terrorize people. The point is to make sure anybody can make these things.”

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4498586/chelsea-explosion-homemade-bomb

[KenMcCoy]

Yes...I know that's not what is being used in Austin. But bombs, apparently, aren't that difficult.

[Pavlov]

Went ahead and did it... apparently it's rather easy:

Pressure cooker devices are among a variety of homemade explosives that are “very, very easy” for people to make, Paul Worsey, an explosives expert from the Missouri University of Science and Technology, said.

...

An explosive pressure cooker device usually involves little more than powder from fireworks and some nails, Worsey said. Because such items are readily available in stores, it is difficult for authorities to track homemade explosives.

“These are designed to be very, very simple,” Worsey said. “You don’t have to have a degree or any formal training. That’s why these things—some will go off and kill people and some won’t. The point of the thing is to terrorize people. The point is to make sure anybody can make these things.”

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4498586/chelsea-explosion-homemade-bombI don't know if the Austin bombs are pressure cooker devices, and they have a pretty sophisticated trigger on them to boot. Regardless, that looks a lot more difficult than buying gun and shooting it.

[Nathan89]

Just don't feel like searching "how to build a bomb" right now since I live in the Austin area.:lol

[KenMcCoy]

Not sure about that...maybe $50 in total? Pressure cooker $20, nails and ballbearings $15, fertilizer and fireworks $15?

Versus get background check, wait, and then spend $700 for an AR.

[Pavlov]

Not sure about that...maybe $50 in total? Pressure cooker $20, nails and ballbearings $15, fertilizer and fireworks $15?

Versus get background check, wait, and then spend $700 for an AR.Now you're fixated on the AR.

And you could cite background checks if they were necessary for every gun purchase.

[DMC]

Went ahead and did it... apparently it's rather easy:

Pressure cooker devices are among a variety of homemade explosives that are “very, very easy” for people to make, Paul Worsey, an explosives expert from the Missouri University of Science and Technology, said.

...

An explosive pressure cooker device usually involves little more than powder from fireworks and some nails, Worsey said. Because such items are readily available in stores, it is difficult for authorities to track homemade explosives.

“These are designed to be very, very simple,” Worsey said. “You don’t have to have a degree or any formal training. That’s why these things—some will go off and kill people and some won’t. The point of the thing is to terrorize people. The point is to make sure anybody can make these things.”

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4498586/chelsea-explosion-homemade-bomb

Obviously this so called "expert" never spoke to pgardn else he'd know you need a doctorate in chemistry to even attempt it.

[KenMcCoy]

I'm scared that psychos can get guns like AR-15s so easily tbh.

Haha... you're the one that was fixated on the AR earlier.

[DMC]

Haha... you're the one that was fixated on the AR earlier.

He's going to send you on information gathering escapades but he's not interested in anything you have to say about it. He's just seeing how long he can keep you on the hook, hoping for an all nighter.

[Nathan89]

Should I start a "Pressure Cooker Control" thread?

[KenMcCoy]

Don't forget nails and fertilizer. But wait, those items are good for our society so we accept deaths from them.

[DMC]

If there was a solid case to be made regarding gun control, you'd not need these emotional response moments to make it. The topic disappears until there's a mass shooting.

[Spurminator]

If there was a solid case to be made regarding gun control, you'd not need these emotional response moments to make it. The topic disappears until there's a mass shooting.

Seeing how there's one every month now, it's gotten hard to find sufficient down time to have an unemotional discussion about it.

[Spurtacular]

Seeing how there's one every month now, it's gotten hard to find sufficient down time to have an unemotional discussion about it.

Well, if you feel that strongly about the danger, then you should arm yourself.

[DMC]

Seeing how there's one every month now, it's gotten hard to find sufficient down time to have an unemotional discussion about it.

Yeah, between the "Flynn is in deep shit" thread that has like what, 300 pages? You can certainly tell that gun control is on everyone's mind.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, between the "Flynn is in deep shit" thread that has like what, 300 pages? You can certainly tell that gun control is on everyone's mind.

That's just the chumpettes' circle jerk thread, tbh.

[Spurminator]

Well, if you feel that strongly about the danger, then you should arm yourself.

My feelings have nothing to do with a personal fear of risk for myself.

[Spurminator]

Yeah, between the "Flynn is in deep shit" thread that has like what, 300 pages? You can certainly tell that gun control is on everyone's mind.

We're not all one-topic posters. The Flynn thread is a lot of speculative bullshit but it's being driven by three or four people for the most part, and it's kept momentum thanks to a fair amount of new ongoing news.

Any gun discussion after a mass shooting is going to go exactly the same way every time. You monkeys have been trained well to fixate on specific hypothetical talking points.

[Spurtacular]

My feelings have nothing to do with a personal fear of risk for myself.

Maybe you should advocate arming school personnel then if you're so worried. Or would you prefer that the kids continue to be sitting ducks?

[Spurminator]

Maybe you should advocate arming school personnel then if you're so worried. Or would you prefer that the kids continue to be sitting ducks?

I believe there are better ways to protect schoolchildren than arming their teachers. Most teachers agree.

That's 2/2 solutions you've proposed that involve buying more guns, what's your next sales pitch?

[Spurtacular]

I believe there are better ways to protect schoolchildren than arming their teachers. Most teachers agree.

That's 2/2 solutions you've proposed that involve buying more guns, what's your next sales pitch?

The evidence of mass casualties doesn't speak to your "belief".

[Pavlov]

Haha... you're the one that was fixated on the AR earlier.I did use it earlier.

Then went more generic since it triggered the gun folk.

[Spurminator]

The evidence of mass casualties doesn't speak to your "belief".

When you try to be profound, it just makes you sound dumber. Try not to hurt yourself.

[Spurtacular]

When you try to be profound, it just makes you sound dumber. Try not to hurt yourself.

It was a straight-forward dose of reality, cocksucker. The only reason it might be "profound" is because it shat on your outlook.

So, if no other gun measures were enacted or laws otherwise taken off the books, explain to me why you think that arming school personnel would not save lives.

[boutons_deux]

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

Research suggests it's largely because they're anxious about their ability

to protect their families,

insecure about their place in the job market and

beset by racial fears


Since the 2008 election of President Obama, the number of firearms (https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/undefined/firearms-commerce-united-states-annual-statistical-update-2017/download)manufactured in the U.S. has tripled, while imports have doubled.

This doesn’t mean more households have guns than ever before—that percentage has stayed fairly steady (https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/) for decades.

Rather, more guns are being stockpiled by a small number of individuals.

Three percent of the population now owns half of the country’s firearms,

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-are-white-men-stockpiling-guns/

These 3% are sick people.

[DMC]

We're not all one-topic posters. The Flynn thread is a lot of speculative bullshit but it's being driven by three or four people for the most part, and it's kept momentum thanks to a fair amount of new ongoing news.

Any gun discussion after a mass shooting is going to go exactly the same way every time. You monkeys have been trained well to fixate on specific hypothetical talking points.

Express your outrage about gun violence again. It's moving the bar.

[DMC]

It was a straight-forward dose of reality, cocksucker. The only reason it might be "profound" is because it shat on your outlook.

So, if no other gun measures were enacted or laws otherwise taken off the books, explain to me why you think that arming school personnel would not save lives.

In their minds, guns are bad, ergo more guns = worse. They are ok with police officers having guns but we saw that there's a very real possibility that a cop won't be able to help you, or will not be willing to go into harm's way when the time comes. Since there will not be a confiscation of firearms from everyone, the same firearm owners now will be in existence then, and you're fucked if you're in a situation where you're pinned in and there's an active shooter with plenty of time and ammo - if you don't have a gun. The liberals want you to not have a gun, because "muh gun" people will obviously kill everyone in the crossfire, and as we've seen in Texas with both the CHL and open carry, mass road rage and store rage killings happen on a daily basis, just as predicted. So you know teachers would kill the black students, especially the ones they slap in the head on twitter videos.

Duh!

[KenMcCoy]

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

Research suggests it's largely because they're anxious about their ability

to protect their families,

insecure about their place in the job market and

beset by racial fears


Since the 2008 election of President Obama, the number of firearms (https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/undefined/firearms-commerce-united-states-annual-statistical-update-2017/download)manufactured in the U.S. has tripled, while imports have doubled.

This doesn’t mean more households have guns than ever before—that percentage has stayed fairly steady (https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/) for decades.

Rather, more guns are being stockpiled by a small number of individuals.

Three percent of the population now owns half of the country’s firearms,

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-are-white-men-stockpiling-guns/

These 3% are sick people.




A gun is a tool. Each different type is good for specific purposes. You don't hunt squirrels with a shotgun just like you don't hunt quail with a .22LR rifle. In all, if you were preparing to be self sufficient and able to defend/provide for your family, you'd probably need at least 8-10 different guns.

Not that shocking...some people just prep better than others.

[boutons_deux]

A gun is a tool. Each different type is good for specific purposes. You don't hunt squirrels with a shotgun just like you don't hunt quail with a .22LR rifle. In all, if you were preparing to be self sufficient and able to defend/provide for your family, you'd probably need at least 8-10 different guns.

Not that shocking...some people just prep better than others.

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

[KenMcCoy]

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

= I'm so scared of Pew-pews that I think a .22 can perform the same tasks as a .308 or .30-06

Again, coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.

[Blake]

Convince me otherwise. Tell me how you're going to beat the armed forces of the US government.

With his well regulated militia's right to bear nuclear arms.

At least that's how I'd do it

[Blake]

A gun is a tool. Each different type is good for specific purposes. You don't hunt squirrels with a shotgun just like you don't hunt quail with a .22LR rifle. In all, if you were preparing to be self sufficient and able to defend/provide for your family, you'd probably need at least 8-10 different guns.

Not that shocking...some people just prep better than others.

What does someone need an ar15 gun for?

[Blake]

You're not scared of a psycho putting bombs on people's doorstep?

I'm fine with outlawing bombs

[KenMcCoy]

What does someone need an ar15 gun for?

Medium range defense from multiple assailants/predators.

[KenMcCoy]

I'm fine with outlawing bombs

Are you OK with banning the materials necessary to make them?

[Blake]

Are you OK with banning the materials necessary to make them?

No. I'm fine with making the materials harder to get if need be.

[Spurminator]

Express your outrage about gun violence again. It's moving the bar.

Nothing we do here moves a bar. I'm content to simply make fun of people who are so enthusiastic about their big cool guns that they spend hours re-hashing the same stale arguments in their favor.


In their minds, guns are bad, ergo more guns = worse. They are ok with police officers having guns but we saw that there's a very real possibility that a cop won't be able to help you, or will not be willing to go into harm's way when the time comes. Since there will not be a confiscation of firearms from everyone, the same firearm owners now will be in existence then, and you're fucked if you're in a situation where you're pinned in and there's an active shooter with plenty of time and ammo - if you don't have a gun. The liberals want you to not have a gun, because "muh gun" people will obviously kill everyone in the crossfire, and as we've seen in Texas with both the CHL and open carry, mass road rage and store rage killings happen on a daily basis, just as predicted. So you know teachers would kill the black students, especially the ones they slap in the head on twitter videos.

Duh!

When you can't effectively argue against someone's perspective, make one up! It's easy!

[DMC]

Nothing we do here moves a bar. I'm content to simply make fun of people who are so enthusiastic about their big cool guns that they spend hours re-hashing the same stale arguments in their favor.


First this


When you can't effectively argue against someone's perspective, make one up! It's easy!
Then this

:lol

[RandomGuy]

It was a straight-forward dose of reality, cocksucker. The only reason it might be "profound" is because it shat on your outlook.

So, if no other gun measures were enacted or laws otherwise taken off the books, explain to me why you think that arming school personnel would not save lives.

Because the introduction of firearms widely increases the potentiality of accidental shootings beyond any plausible "saves lives" scenario. It would kill more people than it would save, and the statistics on accidental shootings bears that out.

If you really think it will "save lives", feel free to start an insurance company, and issue liability policies based on that assumption. Let me know how it goes. :rollin

[Spurminator]

First this

Then this

:lol

I don't get it. Are those two statements contradictory?

[Blake]

I don't get it. Are those two statements contradictory?

Actually post 2 seemed to validate post 1, imo

[Spurtacular]

Because the introduction of firearms widely increases the potentiality of accidental shootings beyond any plausible "saves lives" scenario. It would kill more people than it would save, and the statistics on accidental shootings bears that out.

If you really think it will "save lives", feel free to start an insurance company, and issue liability policies based on that assumption. Let me know how it goes. :rollin

So, my children should not be allowed to be protected from mass murderers because some people accidentally kill themselves with guns? That's full retard, bro.

[Pavlov]

So, my children should be allowed to be protected from mass murderers because you claim people accidentally kill themselves with guns? That's full retard, bro.The only children you could have would be ones you abduct at gunpoint.

[Blake]

So, my children should not be allowed to be protected from mass murderers because some people accidentally kill themselves with guns? That's full retard, bro.

You have children?

[Blake]

The only children you could have would be ones you abduct at gunpoint.

:lol

[Spurtacular]

The only children you could have would be ones you abduct at gunpoint.

It wouldn't be hard with your full-retard laws in place.

[Pavlov]

It wouldn't be hard with your full-retard laws in place.What laws have I proposed that would make your armed child abduction plot easier?

[Spurminator]

What laws have I proposed that would make your armed child abduction plot easier?

If you had your way, kids couldn't carry military-style guns to protect themselves from abduction.

[Blake]

Lol yeah those damn age restrictions

[DMC]

I don't get it. Are those two statements contradictory?

I'll let you figure it out :lol

[Nathan89]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/

Armed individual at school saves the day. It would be terrible if there were more individuals armed and trained on a school campus.

[Blake]

I'll let you figure it out :lol

:lol dmc playing the "you figure out" card after a failed desperate attempt at pointing out contradiction.

[Pavlov]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/

Armed individual at school saves the day. It would be terrible if there were more individuals armed and trained on a school campus.You couldn't be more butthurt about this.

[Blake]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/

Armed individual at school saves the day. It would be terrible if there were more individuals armed and trained on a school campus.

It's terrible that a student got a gun and injured two students.

But hey at least there are thoughts and prayers for the victims

[Pavlov]

It's terrible that a student got a gun and injured two students.

But hey at least there are thoughts and prayers for the victimsEvery student should be armed so when students start shooting other students, other students can join in and start shooting students.

[Nathan89]

Strawmen everywhere.:wakeup

[Blake]

Strawmen everywhere.:wakeup

That's pretty much a strawman

[Pavlov]

The only answer these dorks ever have is MOAR GUNS!

[Nathan89]

Thankfully we had more guns on the school premises than the guns of the shooter tbh.

[Pavlov]

Thankfully we had more guns on the school premises than the guns of the shooter tbh.If you can find where we explicitly opposed the presence of armed officers in schools, go ahead and post the link.

You're making up straw men.

[Blake]

Thankfully we had more guns on the school premises than the guns of the shooter tbh.

How many guns on the school premises per student do you think are needed for optimum safety?

After all, two students were harmed today.

[Pavlov]

How many guns on the school premises per student do you think are needed for optimum safety?

After all, two students were harmed today.We should probably start shooting students preemptively to deter them from shooting students.

[Nathan89]

How many guns on the school premises per student do you think are needed for optimum safety?

After all, two students were harmed today.

More guns isn't the only solution.

You can't control everything.

[Pavlov]

More guns isn't the only solutionWhat are your other solutions?

[Nathan89]

If you can find where we explicitly opposed the presence of armed officers in schools, go ahead and post the link.

You're making up straw men.

I didn't state that you said that.

Just thankful that we had more guns in the hands of trained individuals on the campus.

[Pavlov]

I didn't state that you said that.

Just thankful that we had more guns in the hands of trained individuals on the campus.Your snarky, passive-aggressive bitching says it all.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/

Armed individual at school saves the day. It would be terrible if there were more individuals armed and trained on a school campus.Straw man.

[Blake]

More guns isn't the only solution.

You can't control everything.

But it is a solution to you.

So how many guns do you think are needed for optimum safety? Cmon, throw out a number that would have prevented the shooting today.

[Nathan89]

But it is a solution to you.

So how many guns do you think are needed for optimum safety? Cmon, throw out a number that would have prevented the shooting today.

Of course it's a solution. It's a last line of defense.

It's impossible to even define "optimum safety".

[Nathan89]

But it is a solution to you.

So how many guns do you think are needed for optimum safety? Cmon, throw out a number that would have prevented the shooting today.

What's your solution that would have prevented the shooting today?

[Blake]

What's your solution that would have prevented the shooting today?

Figure out how that kid got the gun and see what we can do to help stop getting kids guns so fucking easily.

No gun today, no shooting today.

[Pavlov]

This kid knew there was an armed resource officer there and went in anyway.

[Nathan89]

Figure out how that kid got the gun and see what we can do to help stop getting kids guns so fucking easily.

No gun today, no shooting today.

That's too vague for me to even discuss.

That goes without saying but also a vague statement.

[Blake]

That's too vague for me to even discuss.

That goes without saying but also a vague statement.

You don't have to discuss.

I'd rather discuss your vague solution for "more guns". But you clearly would rather not. Lol.

[Chris]

6 Reasons Gun Control Will Not Solve Mass Killings



In the wake of the tragic murder of 17 innocent students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, students, educators, politicians, and activists are searching for solutions to prevent future school shootings.

As emotions morph from grief to anger to resolve, it is vitally important to supply facts so that policymakers and professionals can fashion solutions based on objective data rather than well-intended but misguided emotional fixes.

Are there ways to reduce gun violence and school shootings? Yes, but only after objectively assessing the facts and working collaboratively to fashion common-sense solutions.

Definitions


“Mass shooting” typically refers to mass killings where the assailant used a firearm or firearms. In 2013, Congress defined “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”
A prominent 2017 study defined “mass public shootings” as incidents that occur in the absence of other criminal activity (such as robberies, drug deals, and gang-related turf wars) in which a gun is used to kill four or more victims at a public location.

1. Mass killings are rare, and mass public shootings are even rarer.

Mass killings are very rare, accounting for only 0.2 percent of homicides every year and approximately 1 percent of homicide victims.
Only 12 percent of mass killings are mass public shootings. Most mass killings are familicides (murders of family members or intimate partners) and felony-related killings (such as robberies gone awry or gang-related “turf battles”).
Although there has been a slight increase in the frequency of mass public shootings over the past few years, the rates are still similar to what the United States experienced in the 1980s and early 1990s.

2. Many gun control measures are not likely to be helpful.

Over 90 percent of public mass shootings take place in “gun-free zones” where civilians are not permitted to carry firearms.
A complete ban on “assault weapons” will save very few lives: Six out of every 10 mass public shootings are carried out by handguns alone, while only one in 10 is committed with a rifle alone.
The average age of mass public shooters is 34, which means that increasing the minimum age for purchasing firearms would not target the main perpetrators of mass public shootings.
Few mass public shooters have used “high-capacity magazines,” and there is no evidence that the lethality of their attacks would have been affected by delays of two to four seconds to switch magazines. In fact, some of the largest mass shootings in U.S. history were carried out with “low-capacity” weapons:
The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 and injured 17 with two handguns, one of which had a 10-round magazine and the other a 15-round magazine. He simply brought 19 extra magazines.
Twenty-three people were killed and another 20 injured in a Killeen, Texas, cafeteria by a man with two 9mm handguns, capable of maximums of 15-round and 17-round magazines, respectively.
A mentally disturbed man armed with two handguns and a shotgun shot and killed 21 people in a San Ysidro McDonald’s and injured another 19. The handguns utilized 13-round and 20-round magazines, and the shotgun had a five-round capacity.

3. Public mass shooters typically have histories of mental health issues.

According to one study, 60 percent of mass public shooters had been diagnosed with a mental disorder or had demonstrated signs of serious mental illness prior to the attack.
A large body of research shows a statistical link between mass public killings and serious untreated psychiatric illness. The most commonly diagnosed illnesses among mass public shooters are paranoid schizophrenia and severe depression.
It is important to remember that the vast majority of people with mental disorders do not engage in violent behaviors, and there is no empirical means of effectively identifying potential mass murderers.

4. The United States does not have an extraordinary problem with mass public shootings compared to other developed countries.

After adjusting for population differences, many other developed countries have worse problems with mass public shootings than the United States has.
There were 27 percent more casualties per capita from mass public shootings in the European Union than in the U.S. from 2009 to 2015.

5. Mass killers often find ways to kill even without firearms.

Some of the worst mass killings in the United States have occurred without firearms:

Before the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, the deadliest attack on the LGBT community in America occurred in 1973 when an arsonist killed 32 and injured 15 at the Upstairs Lounge in New Orleans.

In 1987, a disgruntled former airline employee killed 43 people after he hijacked and intentionally crashed a passenger plane.

In 1990, an angry ex-lover burned down the Happy Land social club where his former girlfriend worked, killing 87 others in the process.

In 1995, 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured by a truck bomb parked outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

In 2017, a man in New York City killed eight and injured 11 by renting a truck and plowing down pedestrians on a Manhattan bike path.

In other countries, bombings, mass stabbings, and car attacks frequently kill more people than even the deadliest mass shootings in the United States. Consider the following:

Spain (2004) — Bombing: 192 deaths, 2,050 injuries;
Great Britain (2005) — Bombing: 52 deaths, 784 injuries;
Japan (2008) — Car ramming and stabbing: seven deaths, 10 injuries;
China (2010) — Shovel-loader: 11 deaths, 30 injuries;
China (2014) — Car ramming: six deaths, 13 injuries;
China (2014) — Mass stabbing: 31 deaths, 143 injuries;
Germany (2015) — Plane crash: 150 deaths;
Belgium (2016) — Bombing: 21 deaths, 180 injuries;
France (2016) — Car ramming: 86 deaths, 434 injuries;
Germany (2016) — Car ramming: 11 deaths, 56 injuries;
Japan (2016) — Mass stabbing: 19 deaths, 45 injuries; and
Great Britain (2017) — Bombing: 22 deaths, 250 injuries.


6. Australia did not “eliminate mass public shootings” by banning assault weapons.

*Australia did not “eliminate mass public shootings” by banning assault weapons. Mass shootings in the country were rare before the 1996 National Firearms Act, and multiple-casualty shootings still occur.

*Before 1996, firearms crimes in Australia rarely involved firearms prohibited under the National Firearms Act, suggesting that any change in firearm-related crimes or deaths was not due to the law.

*Further, Australia did not see a reduction in “mass murders.” In the years immediately following enactment of the National Firearms Act, the country experienced six mass murders in which five or more people were killed—they just were not
killed with guns.


https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/16/6-reasons-gun-control-will-not-solve-mass-killings/

[Blake]

Lol dailysignal.com

[RandomGuy]

So, my children should not be allowed to be protected from mass murderers because some people accidentally kill themselves with guns? That's full retard, bro.

I'm serious. Put your money where your mouth is. Start an insurance company, and offer liability discounts for school systems that have teacher guns.

See how long you stay in business. Your delusions about guns will be highly amusing the to the officials charge with liquidating your company. :rollin :lmao

[Spurtacular]

I'm serious. Put your money where your mouth is. Start an insurance company, and offer liability discounts for school systems that have teacher guns.

See how long you stay in business. Your delusions about guns will be highly amusing the to the officials charge with liquidating your company. :rollin :lmao

This is as close as you'll ever come to making a pertinent point.

[RandomGuy]

This is as close as you'll ever come to making a pertinent point.

What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns

" was looking at a CT scan of one of the mass-shooting victims from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, and was bleeding extensively.

One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle that delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. Nothing was left to repair—and utterly, devastatingly, nothing could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

[RandomGuy]

6 Reasons Gun Control Will Not Solve Mass Killings


6. Australia did not “eliminate mass public shootings” by banning assault weapons.

*Australia did not “eliminate mass public shootings” by banning assault weapons. Mass shootings in the country were rare before the 1996 National Firearms Act, and multiple-casualty shootings still occur.

*Before 1996, firearms crimes in Australia rarely involved firearms prohibited under the National Firearms Act, suggesting that any change in firearm-related crimes or deaths was not due to the law.

*Further, Australia did not see a reduction in “mass murders.” In the years immediately following enactment of the National Firearms Act, the country experienced six mass murders in which five or more people were killed—they just were not
killed with guns.


Gun Laws Stopped Mass Shootings in Australia: New Research
Tue, 03/13/2018
by American College of Physicians

The odds of a 22-year absence of mass shootings in Australia since 1996 gun reforms being due to chance are one in 200,000, new research reveals.

Published today in the Annals of Internal Medicine, scholars at the University of Sydney and Macquarie University used mathematical techniques to test the null hypothesis that the rate of mass shootings in Australia before and after the 1996 law reforms is unchanged.

The National Firearms Agreement, enacted after the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania in which 35 died and another 23 were seriously injured, saw the destruction of more than a million firearms--perhaps a third of the country's private gun stock.

The Agreement included uniform gun registration, repudiation of self-defense as a legitimate reason to hold a firearm license, mandatory locked storage, a ban on mail order sales and standardized penalties, and the banning of semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot guns from civilian ownership.

Its provisions were subsequently enacted in national, state and territory legislation across Australia.

In the 18 years up to and including the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, there were 13-gun homicides in which five or more people died, not including the perpetrator. In the 22 years since, there have been no such incidents.

https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2018/03/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-australia-new-research


Do you have to fall in line on everything? Are you really that much of a weasel, that you can't think for yourself on anything?

[KenMcCoy]

I like how the "new" research conveniently sets the bar at 5 or more people in order to eliminate a few events and then removed any events that were familicide to get those results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

[Chris]

I like how the "new" research conveniently sets the bar at 5 or more people in order to eliminate a few events and then removed any events that were familicide to get those results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

Thank you.

[Chris]

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[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZEUX87XkAAAIdD.jpg:large

[Blake]

:cheer more guns :cheer

[baseline bum]

Feinstein seems to think the bump fire stock ban Trump's saying he'll issue won't hold up in court. I wonder if it's by design so Trump can claim he tried to do something but congress wouldn't act to make the ban something that would hold up.

[Chris]

Stats make my head hurt :-( FUCK DRUMPF!!! :bang

[Chris]

Hogg thinks he's quite the rock star :lol


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[sickdsm]

Broward County public schools superintendent Robert Runcie announced this week his district was implementing a “solution” to thwart future gun violence. He said that following students’ spring break, only clear backpacks would be permitted at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

David Hogg, the outspoken MSD student who has spent more than a month advocating for stricter gun control laws, believes the move infringes on students’ constitutional rights.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theblaze.com/news/2018/03/24/anti-gun-david-hogg-complains-clear-backpacks-at-school-infringes-on-students-constitutional-rights/amp

[Pavlov]

Hogg thinks he's quite the rock star :lol


977616955627597824:lol Chris thinks he's a Black Panther.

[Chris]

:lol Chris thinks he's a Black Panther.

No that's you and your ilk. Sorry but you can't disown them, and you can't disown Hillary either. tee hee

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Chris thinks he's a Black Panther.

:lmao

[Chris]

Average number of deaths in the U.S. per day:

Abortions: 1,778+
Medical errors: 685
Accidents: 401
Opioids: 115
Drunk driving: 28
Underage drinking: 11
Teenage texting-while-driving: 8
All Rifles: 1

[Chris]

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[Spurminator]

:cry scared of kids :cry

[Pavlov]

No that's you and your ilk. Sorry but you can't disown them, and you can't disown Hillary either. tee heeWhy would I disown someone you think is a Black Panther?

It's hilarious.

[Chris]

Why would I disown someone you think is a Black Panther?

It's hilarious.

Pavbot.exe malfunction that made no sense

[Pavlov]

Pavbot.exe malfunction that made no senseSo is your thinking he's a Black Panther but there you are.

[koriwhat]

Average number of deaths in the U.S. per day:

Abortions: 1,778+
Medical errors: 685
Accidents: 401
Opioids: 115
Drunk driving: 28
Underage drinking: 11
Teenage texting-while-driving: 8
All Rifles: 1

abortions not due to rape etc is just murder and speaks volumes about all these irresponsible people in this world.

[sickdsm]

MSD students:. Govt must do something.

MSD students now required to use see through backpacks.

MSD students:. Whoa. Not that. We're unfairly being persecuted because of a few bad apples. Our constitutional rights are being eroded.

[CosmicCowboy]

abortions not due to rape etc is just murder and speaks volumes about all these irresponsible people in this world.

Bullshit.

[koriwhat]

MSD students:. Govt must do something.

MSD students now required to use see through backpacks.

MSD students:. Whoa. Not that. We're unfairly being persecuted because of a few bad apples. Our constitutional rights are being eroded.

haha they're in for a rude awakening by pushing all those dem-witted talking points. they wanted to be slaves to their masters and that's exactly what they're going to get.

[CosmicCowboy]

Shit like that makes abortion critics lose all credibility.

[Pavlov]

haha they're in for a rude awakening by pushing all those dem-witted talking points. they wanted to be slaves to their masters and that's exactly what they're going to get.What are you saying will happen here?

[koriwhat]

Bullshit.

how so? if that's not the case then why does planB even exist as well? chalk it up to whores(men & women). std's are on the rise too and soaring into the great unknown.

[koriwhat]

What are you saying will happen here?

what i am saying is advocate for this and that, not because you have any real stance, and expect your own rights to be taken away. good luck to those kids who only like to parrot the left's talking points.

[Pavlov]

what i am saying is advocate for this and that, not because you have any real stance, and expect your own rights to be taken away. good luck to those kids who only like to parrot the left's talking points.:lol you don't think they have a real stance?

The only stances you have ever voiced here are "muh Dennison" and "dems bad."

[Chris]

abortions not due to rape etc is just murder and speaks volumes about all these irresponsible people in this world.

Also speaks volumes to selective outrage.

[CosmicCowboy]

how so? if that's not the case then why does planB even exist as well? chalk it up to whores(men & women). std's are on the rise too and soaring into the great unknown.

Your logic on that statement is incredibly inconsistent. If you say abortion is murder, Is the fetus from rape any less murdered than the fetus from the cheerleader pulling the train for the football team?

[sickdsm]

how so? if that's not the case then why does planB even exist as well? chalk it up to whores(men & women). std's are on the rise too and soaring into the great unknown.

I wouldn't do it,. I've tagged some hard 2's back in the day that I certainly would be devastated if they were pregnant but I still would do what needs to be done. That being said, abortion is terminating a life legally. I do know some personal stories of abortions and they are definitely not whores. How old are you?

[sickdsm]

:lol you don't think they have a real stance?

The only stances you have ever voiced here are "muh Dennison" and "dems bad."

I don't. What exactly is the end goal besides do something?

[koriwhat]

:lol you don't think they have a real stance?

The only stances you have ever voiced here are "muh Dennison" and "dems bad."

wtf is dennison? and not all but most dems are bad tbh. not necessarily the people but the reps for fucking sure!


Also speaks volumes to selective outrage.

indeed. it's agenda driven and always has been.


Your logic on that statement is incredibly inconsistent. If you say abortion is murder, Is the fetus from rape any less murdered than the fetus from the cheerleader pulling the train for the football team?

i get what you're saying CC. difference is, one got raped and the other is a whore that's irresponsible.

[Pavlov]

I don't. What exactly is the end goal besides do something?You're absolutely right. None of them has ever been in front of a camera or microphone or reporter that could somehow record and transmit what their stances are.

I guess we'll never know.

[CosmicCowboy]

wtf is dennison? and not all but most dems are bad tbh. not necessarily the people but the reps for fucking sure!



indeed. it's agenda driven and always has been.



i get what you're saying CC. difference is, one got raped and the other is a whore that's irresponsible.
Again, is the fetus from rape not murdered? If you claim abortion is murder you should be consistent.

[Chris]

indeed. it's agenda driven and always has been.

Case in point here.

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[koriwhat]

I wouldn't do it,. I've tagged some hard 2's back in the day that I certainly would be devastated if they were pregnant but I still would do what needs to be done. That being said, abortion is terminating a life legally. I do know some personal stories of abortions and they are definitely not whores. How old are you?

i'm probably older than you.

if you would do what needs to be done then why not take the precautions beforehand so you wouldn't have to do what needs to be done? take a look around at all these people mooching off the system and yet they're 3+ kids deep. shit's irresponsible.

[Chris]

Throw to crowd blimp cam! :lol

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[koriwhat]

Again, is the fetus from rape not murdered? If you claim abortion is murder you should be consistent.

indeed it's the same but my stance is the rape victim should have a choice whether or not to carry said baby to term that she was not expecting to have to deal with let alone the emotional hell from said rape.

[CosmicCowboy]

i'm probably older than you.

if you would do what needs to be done then why not take the precautions beforehand so you wouldn't have to do what needs to be done? take a look around at all these people mooching off the system and yet they're 3+ kids deep. shit's irresponsible.

All the more reason abortion should be available even to the poor.

[koriwhat]

Throw to crowd blimp cam! :lol

977627615182970881

lol the fucking disgusting loons

[koriwhat]

All the more reason abortion should be available even to the poor.

sterilization should be the only course of action for those that are irresponsible enough to live on less than $20k a yr while popping out their endless stream of kids they can't afford.

[CosmicCowboy]

sterilization should be the only course of action for those that are irresponsible enough to live on less than $20k a yr while popping out their endless stream of kids they can't afford.

Ok you are tripping way off the deep end now. They could always win the lottery.

[koriwhat]

Ok you are tripping way off the deep end now. They could always win the lottery.

yeah another of master's grand plan for the weak minded and the destitute to spend spend spend... the game's some of yall play. i see it every day across the street at the convenience store; really poor people spending their last dollar to buy a losing lottery ticket. sickening.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why $20,000 though? Thats pretty arbitrary unless you make $21,000.

[Pavlov]

https://media.giphy.com/media/U3HzPBtcuPX2g/giphy.gif

[CosmicCowboy]

Statistically a middle class couple with 2 kids born 2015+ will spend almost a quarter mil per kid raising them to 17. That doesnt include college. Thats from the USDA.

[koriwhat]

fuck deniro

[djohn2oo8]

Seems like KW fell out of an irresponsible whore.

[CosmicCowboy]

Seems like KW fell out of an irresponsible whore.

And your mom should have had you scraped.

[djohn2oo8]

And your mom should have had you scraped.
And you should kick your mother right in the pussy for not swallowing you before. conception.

[Blake]

MSD students:. Govt must do something.

MSD students now required to use see through backpacks.

MSD students:. Whoa. Not that. We're unfairly being persecuted because of a few bad apples. Our constitutional rights are being eroded.

The govt doesn't require the use of see through back packs, genius.

[Pavlov]

I was worried we were going to go a full day without posters' wishing death on each other.

[Blake]

sterilization should be the only course of action for those that are irresponsible enough to live on less than $20k a yr while popping out their endless stream of kids they can't afford.

We now know kw's salary is $21k

[Blake]

Why $20,000 though? Thats pretty arbitrary unless you make $21,000.

Aw beat me to it

[CosmicCowboy]

And you should kick your mother right in the pussy for not swallowing you before. conception.

Do you routinely kick women in the pussy? Is that better or worse than grabbing them there?

[djohn2oo8]

We now know kw's salary is $21k

lol

[djohn2oo8]

Do you routinely kick women in the pussy? Is that better or worse than grabbing them there?

CROFL. It was actually a reference to a Chappelle show.

[sickdsm]

The govt doesn't require the use of see through back packs, genius.
The schools requiring that cuck.

[Expert]

What does Kyle Griffin think about it? Obviously no one gives a shit what DJohn thinks.

[Pavlov]

What does Kyle Griffin think about it? Obviously no one gives a shit what DJohn thinks.lol DMC

[Blake]

The schools requiring that cuck.

Exactly, genius.

[Chris]

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:lmao

[Chris]

977684190819966977

Hogg can't debate anything without CNN writing the script for him.

[Pavlov]

977684190819966977

Hogg can't debate anything without CNN writing the script for him.:lol bitter Kyle

[Chris]

ol' Bill couldn't resist getting his greasy hands on this shit :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZFwslLWkAAU5Rm.jpg:large

[Thebesteva]

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80% of gun deaths (excluding suicide which makes up 2/3 of the deaths) are due to gang violence. Do you blame them?

[Chris]

80% of gun deaths (excluding suicide which makes up 2/3 of the deaths) are due to gang violence. Do you blame them?

Being afraid is racist.

[djohn2oo8]

80% of gun deaths (excluding suicide which makes up 2/3 of the deaths) are due to gang violence. Do you blame them?

Who is more at risk? Whites or Blacks?

[Spurminator]

how so? if that's not the case then why does planB even exist as well? chalk it up to whores(men & women). std's are on the rise too and soaring into the great unknown.

Holy shit, you might as well just put "I've never had sex" in your sig.

[Chris]

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[Thebesteva]

Who is more at risk? Whites or Blacks?

Blacks are...but primarily due to gang violence in large cities. I'm not disagreeing if you're suggesting the system is hard for poor blacks to escape from. But in saying people get guns because they feel their government isn't protecting them enough. I honestly don't see the racist part other than suggesting white mass shooters are Americans threat.

Sonething like 64% of all mass shooters are white male...however 12% black, 3% Muslim, etc. with the exception of women being under represented this is a screen shot of our country's racial statistics.

[rmt]

The schools requiring that cuck.

So what happens if you don't comply with this see through back pack? And my sanitary pad/tampon and wallet/scientific calculator are on display? Good thing this is an affluent school. If in ds' school, those latter would be gone (would you believe they bump into him in the hall way and steal his bottled water?)

[baseline bum]

Why is no one talking about what's actually happening? Eg Trump trying to lump rifles with bump stocks in with fully auto rifles so that they'd be banned? I think this might be Trump doing something he knows won't hold up in court when the NRA sues, but will be enough so he can say he's doing something and justify not having a bill banning bump fire stocks come up in congress. Then months later when it's ruled an overreach by the executive there won't be the heat on congress to try to ban them like there is now. I think Trump is just playing with his poop most of the time but this might be an actual 3D chess move tbh.

[Blake]

977684190819966977

Hogg can't debate anything without CNN writing the script for him.

coming from you that's rich

[Blake]

Holy shit, you might as well just put "I've never had sex" in your sig.

Lol

[baseline bum]

Then again, maybe Trump's proposed bump stock ban is because it won't piss off the NRA, since the NRA is just a lobbying firm for large gun manufacturers and not the small timers who make and sell bump stocks.

[Expert]

Bump stocks are stupid as fuck anyhow. Skirting the NFA by loopholes and clever wording is indicative of a group who doesn't think the NFA should even exist.

[Thebesteva]

Then again, maybe Trump's proposed bump stock ban is because it won't piss off the NRA, since the NRA is just a lobbying firm for large gun manufacturers and not the small timers who make and sell bump stocks.

You can make bump stocks from 3D printers or even from a belt. These are not make or breaks on saving lives. Criminals aren't going to not do this because of inconveniences. If this was true then no one could find weed prior to weed shops

[Expert]

You can make bump stocks from 3D printers or even from a belt. These are not make or breaks on saving lives. Criminals aren't going to not do this because of inconveniences. If this was true then no one could find weed prior to weed shops
You can make a sear for a fully automatic with a CNC or lathe. It doesn't make it legal without a Class II manufacturing license (and not even then sometimes since they are registered). If it's outlawed, sure you can manufacture it but there's a huge difference between something existing and something being commercially available to anyone.

[Thebesteva]

You can make a sear for a fully automatic with a CNC or lathe. It doesn't make it legal without a Class II manufacturing license (and not even then sometimes since they are registered). If it's outlawed, sure you can manufacture it but there's a huge difference between something existing and something being commercially available to anyone.

I don't care about the ethics of it. But the suggestion it will save lives somehow is absurd

[Expert]

I don't care about the ethics of it. But the suggestion it will save lives somehow is absurd

Do you think any gun laws save lives?

[Thebesteva]

Do you think any gun laws save lives?

Honestly I was anti gun as it gets...led me to obsessively study on this issue for a few years. Don't watch the news for any issue only. Read criminologist, mass shooting psycholigist, combat expert, and world crime experts. Their evidence in combination convinced me that this idea the AR is behind this is silly. We banned these guns and it didn't do anything and thats why they brought them back because the AR is the most sold gun in America

i think after seeing Virginia tech shooting and Lubys cafeteria as well as many other hand gun mass shooters easily surpass numbers from most of these shootings excluding pulse nightclub and Vegas makes me realize as far as kids go they r fucked without security.

I am not gonna cry or give 2 shits if they ban again but it won't do anything. Realistic solutions include more security, metal detectors. Personally I'm irked that generation safe space and my truth thinks they can complain and fix the real problem which is evil. We been trying to tell these morons since day one a safe space doesn't exist. As mean spirited as I sound my advice to these kids is the same reality I had in high school after columbine where everyone cried foul and Michael Moore made a documentary only to see the shooter bought his primary weapon illegally from a pizza store. Criminals will do whatever it takes to get this done

Also I can write a book on my own about how the serial killer epidemic was primarily because the media glorified those monsters. Same shit happening all over again. Want it to be reduced? Then stop showing little Timmy how to become infamous in minutes. The idea little Timmy can't access handguns is borderline retardation to me

[Aztecfan03]

Hogg thinks he's quite the rock star :lol


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He needs to be marching for a brain instead.

[koriwhat]

Seems like KW fell out of an irresponsible whore.

actually my mother is a great woman who did it all on her own as a single parent working endless nights to support 2 kids. very proud of her and always have been.

such bitterness short round.


We now know kw's salary is $21k

you still know nothing blake. you also didn't know your ex was getting romped in the ass by some other dude for months until she finally left your shrimp dick spineless feminist ass.


Holy shit, you might as well just put "I've never had sex" in your sig.

the funny thing is you'd wish that to be true. too funny tbh.

[Expert]

Honestly I was anti gun as it gets...led me to obsessively study on this issue for a few years. Don't watch the news for any issue only. Read criminologist, mass shooting psycholigist, combat expert, and world crime experts. Their evidence in combination convinced me that this idea the AR is behind this is silly. We banned these guns and it didn't do anything and thats why they brought them back because the AR is the most sold gun in America

i think after seeing Virginia tech shooting and Lubys cafeteria as well as many other hand gun mass shooters easily surpass numbers from most of these shootings excluding pulse nightclub and Vegas makes me realize as far as kids go they r fucked without security.

I am not gonna cry or give 2 shits if they ban again but it won't do anything. Realistic solutions include more security, metal detectors. Personally I'm irked that generation safe space and my truth thinks they can complain and fix the real problem which is evil. We been trying to tell these morons since day one a safe space doesn't exist. As mean spirited as I sound my advice to these kids is the same reality I had in high school after columbine where everyone cried foul and Michael Moore made a documentary only to see the shooter bought his primary weapon illegally from a pizza store. Criminals will do whatever it takes to get this done

Also I can write a book on my own about how the serial killer epidemic was primarily because the media glorified those monsters. Same shit happening all over again. Want it to be reduced? Then stop showing little Timmy how to become infamous in minutes. The idea little Timmy can't access handguns is borderline retardation to me

That's usually where research takes you, but you're not in a vacuum. You're in a world of people who don't research anything and the solution has to involve them, like it or not.

[koriwhat]

That's usually where research takes you, but you're not in a vacuum. You're in a world of people who don't research anything and the solution has to involve them, like it or not.

:tu

[Nathan89]

"It’s unnecessary, it’s embarrassing for a lot of the students and it makes them feel isolated and separated from the rest of American school culture where they’re having essentially their First Amendment rights infringed upon because they can’t freely wear whatever backpack they want regardless of what it is," Hogg

:lmao

"It has to be a clear backpack," Hogg continued. "What we should have is just more policies that make sure that these students are feeling safe and secure in their schools and not like they’re being fought against like it’s a prison.”

Policies like, "students wearing clear backpacks"?:lol

Begging for policies in the name of safety and immediately complaining when you get them.:lol

Now using "outdated and useless" Constitution as a shield :lol

[koriwhat]

"It’s unnecessary, it’s embarrassing for a lot of the students and it makes them feel isolated and separated from the rest of American school culture where they’re having essentially their First Amendment rights infringed upon because they can’t freely wear whatever backpack they want regardless of what it is," Hogg

:lmao

"It has to be a clear backpack," Hogg continued. "What we should have is just more policies that make sure that these students are feeling safe and secure in their schools and not like they’re being fought against like it’s a prison.”

Policies like, "students wearing clear backpacks"?:lol

Begging for policies in the name of safety and immediately complaining when you get them.:lol

Now using "outdated and useless" Constitution as a shield :lol

let's be honest... hogg says what he says because he's a fraud just like his fbi daddy and cnn mommy. fuck these fakes trying to ruin and stomp all over our constitution and our rights.

[Nathan89]

Bottom line people don't really want to live in the world they are begging for. These students don't even want to sacrifice their backpacks in the name of safety. They don't want to ban alcohol, swimming pools, cell phones, etc. Do they want to implement curfews to prevent the influx of crime at night? No. Do they want people to wear body cams which would drop murder and crime rates drastically across the country? No.

[koriwhat]

Bottom line people don't really want to live in the world they are begging for. These students don't even want to sacrifice their backpacks in the name of safety. They don't want to ban alcohol, swimming pools, cell phones, etc. Do they want to implement curfews to prevent the influx of crime at night? No. Do they want people to wear body cams which would drop murder and crime rates drastically across the country? No.

chalk it up to dipshits and their utopia bs. same dipshits who consistently advocate communism/socialism yet sport an iphoneX and $150 shoes, drive mommy and daddys car, and have no job. communism/socialism looks great when you have no clue the value of a dollar because they never worked for one.

[Nathan89]

Also why were so many of those posters from the march including misleading death by guns counts? Do they not realize that our suicide rate is similar to Sweden, Australia, and many other countries?

[koriwhat]

Also why were so many of those posters from the march including misleading death by guns counts? Do they not realize that our suicide rate is similar to Sweden, Australia, and many other countries?

because 90%+ of our society has no depth to their thinking or rationale.

[sickdsm]

Exactly, genius.
Thinking he's witty. Lol.

[Nathan89]

https://images.askmen.com/1080x540/2016/08/25-020949-cocks_not_glocks_becomes_largest_anti_gun_protest_ in_texas_history.jpg


https://www.americanweaponscomponents.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cocks-not-Glocks.jpg

:lmao:lmao

[Nathan89]

http://107.189.40.46/photo/20170715/63c0c5b0-b320-4fc6-9808-ec30936b88c1.jpg

So nobody is safe then. Three idiotic shirts.

[koriwhat]

http://107.189.40.46/photo/20170715/63c0c5b0-b320-4fc6-9808-ec30936b88c1.jpg

So nobody is safe then. Three idiotic shirts.

3 idiotic shirts and one big ol **** named sarsour. fuck that stupid ass bitch!

[Nathan89]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f6971d504a6d894cb7944de3d383c26c5c6bb869/c=0-0-533-401&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2018/03/09/CarolinaGroup/Greenville/636561956007501783-Walkout.jpg

If you don't feel safe in your school then you'll never feel safe. Shame on the media for fear mongering the nation. Need to revamp the probability teachings in math class tbh.

[Nathan89]

3 idiotic shirts and one big ol **** named sarsour. fuck that stupid ass bitch!

Didn't even realize that was that person. Just picked it out for being particularly idiotic tbh.

[Nathan89]

Awful lot of pictures with regular hand guns being crossed out on them posters. I thought they didn't want to ban all guns? I guess guns with technology of the civil war is what they meant. :lol

[Thebesteva]

3 idiotic shirts and one big ol **** named sarsour. fuck that stupid ass bitch!

Dumb whore that she is...recently in Iran a woman took off her hijab to protest and was found dead in the desert yet these cunts come here and try to guilt white people to manipulate their system: white people r too nice man

[boutons_deux]

Awful lot of pictures with regular hand guns being crossed out on them posters. I thought they didn't want to ban all guns? I guess guns with technology of the civil war is what they meant. :lol

nobody wants to ban all guns, stick your straw man up your ass

[Nathan89]

nobody wants to ban all guns, stick your straw man up your ass

This is false. The percentage of people is the only thing up for debate.

[Expert]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f6971d504a6d894cb7944de3d383c26c5c6bb869/c=0-0-533-401&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2018/03/09/CarolinaGroup/Greenville/636561956007501783-Walkout.jpg

If you don't feel safe in your school then you'll never feel safe. Shame on the media for fear mongering the nation. Need to revamp the probability teachings in math class tbh.

Somewhere along the way people stopped caring about being safe, only about feeling safe.

[pgardn]

Somewhere along the way people stopped caring about being safe, only about feeling safe.

Which is of course why some people have weapons in their house by the nightstand. Unless break ins and people killed by attackers in their own home is really frequent. It's not where I live. Kick the door in during the day is easy when people are away; its the preferred method it would seem.

[Blake]

Thinking he's witty. Lol.

Your post was just stupid. That's about it.

[koriwhat]

Dumb whore that she is...recently in Iran a woman took off her hijab to protest and was found dead in the desert yet these cunts come here and try to guilt white people to manipulate their system: white people r too nice man

not just a white guilt but an american guilt trip... fuck em!

[boutons_deux]

These students don't even want to sacrifice their backpacks in the name of safety. They don't want to ban alcohol, swimming pools, cell phones, etc.

:lol the mass school murders have been with long guns that don't fit in backpacks, opaque or transparent.

transparent backpacks is a commercial scam

as is body armor for all the kids, I bet every cop that has been shot dead in the past few years was wearing body armor. Linus' security blanket, yes. Effective live saver, not really.

oh yeah, if there is thermonuclear bomb coming, kids, crawl under your desks, and you'll be safe.

What kind of fucking fucked up fucking civilization is fucked up shit hole America where kids are supposed to where transparent backpacks and body armor and teachers are supposed to pack heat? fucking fucked up shit hole insane, sicko America.

[pgardn]

:lol the mass school murders have been with long guns that don't fit in backpacks, opaque or transparent.

transparent backpacks is a commercial scam

as is body armor for all the kids, I bet every cop that has been shot dead in the past few years was wearing body armor. Linus' security blanket, yes. Effective live saver, not really.

oh yeah, if there is thermonuclear bomb coming, kids, crawl under your desks, and you'll be safe.

What kind of fucking fucked up fucking civilization is fucked up shit hole America where kids are supposed to where transparent backpacks and body armor and teachers are supposed to pack heat? fucking fucked up shit hole insane, sicko America.

Our parents did not have cops in their schools. And in Texas, they had rifles or shotguns in the back window of the truck.

Lets blame it on the breakdown of the family unit.

[Nathan89]

:lol the mass school murders have been with long guns that don't fit in backpacks, opaque or transparent.

transparent backpacks is a commercial scam

as is body armor for all the kids, I bet every cop that has been shot dead in the past few years was wearing body armor. Linus' security blanket, yes. Effective live saver, not really.

oh yeah, if there is thermonuclear bomb coming, kids, crawl under your desks, and you'll be safe.

What kind of fucking fucked up fucking civilization is fucked up shit hole America where kids are supposed to where transparent backpacks and body armor and teachers are supposed to pack heat? fucking fucked up shit hole insane, sicko America.

Your comment really isn't worth responding too but here a link on guns used in mass shootings. Handguns seem like something to protect against if your are going to be begging for policy to make schools safer.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

They begged for the policy. They don't need to wear transparent backpacks. Teachers also don't really need to have guns. That's what you get though when you be for policy for statistical outlier deaths.

[Spurminator]

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[Nathan89]

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It's also a new proposal so that's not surprising at all.

[Nathan89]

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/01Semiauto.png

Ban semi-automatic weapons:lol
"They don't want to ban all guns":lol

[Nathan89]

Begging the government to withhold your rights for 3yrs after you are an adult and can go to war. :lol

[Spurminator]

It's also a new proposal so that's not surprising at all.

There's not always a correlation between a proposal's origination and popular opinion. I think the results have more to do with its shittiness than its newness.