Lowe: Celtics starting point for Leonard likely Tatum and Kings 1st

[Killakobe81]

I don’t listen or support anything with Nick Wright. Dude is straight up annoying and terrible.

he is beyond annoying and horrible as a analyst
but even worse claims to be a analytics guy but uses them shittily.

[cd021]

delusions you went from not wanting this 4 weeks ago ...but now celts probably wont even give you this much ...


:lol I've since soured on that Cas deal. I don't think there is much star talent outside of the top 5. That pick doesn't look quite as good as it did then, particularly because there were a bunch of teams bunched up together and that pick could've just as early been 4th or 5th.

Still better than anything that the Lakers can offer tbh

[CGD]

Philly still has the best package. Things Spurs have going for them:

1. Underperforming against BOS might make them extra motivated.

2. Fultz has very little body of work to show this year (the exact opposite of Tatum).

3. They have an army of 2nd rounder in this draft which can help sweeten the pot.

[coachmac87]

Great news: Lebron is watching Sixers get exposed and Brett Brown isn't on the same universe as Stevens

Bad news: Houston is probably the favorite to land him.

I agree regarding Houston..but apparently they’re having internal conflicts on whether to gut the team..

[daslicer]

he is beyond annoying and horrible as a analyst
but even worse claims to be a analytics guy but uses them shittily.

He's always struck me as someone whose in the closet.

[r0drig0lac]

^^ Expecting Philly to make big push for Kawhi trade, though. Neither Simmons nor the overrated bigmouth Embiid is anywhere near the closer they need in these type of playoffs games. They need to match Boston glaring wing advantage..

Spurs too, but PATFO prefers undersized guards who can shoot 45% 3pt in practice but only 30% in real games

[Killakobe81]

He's always struck me as someone whose in the closet.

married to a black chick with mixed babies ...
but plenty of gay dudes were once married and ate out the closet now ...

[daslicer]

married to a black chick with mixed babies ...
but plenty of gay dudes were once married and ate out the closet now ...

Yeah I have known he's been married for a while now but still suspected him being in the closet. It's funny I had never heard about him until last year when a friend of mine sent me a clip of him. The first thought that entered my mind was wow this guy is pretty gay. Then I googled to see if he was married and found out like you said he was married to a black woman. I believe his wife is his beard.

[Mr. Body]

married to a black chick with mixed babies ...
but plenty of gay dudes were once married and ate out the closet now ...

What the fuck does race have to do with this?

[DPG21920]

CLE Gets: Kawhi

PHX Gets: Kevin Love & LaMarcus Aldridge

SA Gets: PHX first rounder this year (likely number 1), CLE’s 8th pick & Josh Jackson (and any other player needed to make money work)

[TD 21]

CLE Gets: Kawhi

PHX Gets: Kevin Love & LaMarcus Aldridge

SA Gets: PHX first rounder this year (likely number 1), CLE’s 8th pick & Josh Jackson (and any other player needed to make money work)

:lmao At the notion of the Suns giving up, if not the number 1 pick, close and the 4th pick from a year ago for a pair of bigs who'll be 33 and 30, respectively, at the start of next season.

Even though they could be, they wouldn't even be a good fit because of ego. It's one thing for Love to play floor spacer for the best player in the league and before this season another All-Star perimeter player. It's another to do it for a comparable big, who I'm sure he believes he's better than . . . and vice versa for Aldridge.

[DPG21920]

PHX has been trying to lure both of those players in recent years. They are both still good players. PHX wants to win and can pair two solid vets while keeping Booker to become a playoff team now.

Would I do that if I were them? Probably not, but I can see the reasoning behind it if they are desperate.

[TD 21]

PHX has been trying to lure both of those players in recent years. They are both still good players. PHX wants to win and can pair two solid vets while keeping Booker to become a playoff team now.

Would I do that if I were them? Probably not, but I can see the reasoning behind it if they are desperate.

One of Bender or Chriss, along with the 16th pick, is a more realistic offer for one of them.

[DPG21920]

One of Bender or Chriss, along with the 16th pick, is a more realistic offer for one of them.

Disagree. I would not trade LMA for that nor would CLE trade Love for that.

[TD 21]

Disagree. I would not trade LMA for that nor would CLE trade Love for that.

I didn't say they would. Obviously, that trade would make no sense for two organizations with current championship aspirations. I'm saying, I think that's what they'd fetch.

[DPG21920]

I think PHX could definitely be the team to try and think short term. We will see. Both Love and LMA are still good and under contract so they can’t bolt.

I agree, is that worth the #1 pick? I don’t know, but maybe.

CLE would definitely trade #8 for Kawhi.

It would hinge on PHX.

[mo7888]

CLE Gets: Kawhi

PHX Gets: Kevin Love & LaMarcus Aldridge

SA Gets: PHX first rounder this year (likely number 1), CLE’s 8th pick & Josh Jackson (and any other player needed to make money work)

Don't see them giving up #1. I do wonder what love would bring in that 3 team trade if we didn't include LA? Could we jet Jackson and bender for him or is that to rich?

[DPG21920]

If LMA is not in the deal, I think you could sub in the 16th pick. But I do get the sense PHX would be wiling to really make a splash if Kawhi was going to them.

I wonder if Kawhi would sign there, if there were even a 50% chance they thought Kawhi would sign there they will go guns blazing for him IMO.

This is the leagues chance to pull a Harden. The thing with OKC was different but everyone sees the potential for that to happen and how it’s franchise changing

[mo7888]

If LMA is not in the deal, I think you could sub in the 16th pick. But I do get the sense PHX would be wiling to really make a splash if Kawhi was going to them.

I wonder if Kawhi would sign there, if there were even a 50% chance they thought Kawhi would sign there they will go guns blazing for him IMO.

This is the leagues chance to pull a Harden. The thing with OKC was different but everyone sees the potential for that to happen and how it’s franchise changing

I do think Phoenix can make the strongest trade proposal for Kawhi if they choose to.

[DAF86]

With each passing game my dream of getting Tatum gets more and more distant. :cry

That Irving injury kicked us on the butt. If only he was still out there chucking.

[Ice009]

Yep, this sucks. I haven't watched any Celtics games in the playoffs, actually, maybe I did watch one game in round 1. I was hoping that they would lose so that helps the Spurs out if they are looking to trade with them.

Is Tatum playing that well? Is he there main offensive option?

[MannyIsGod]

You're just saying not to play hardball, to take a Lakers crap offer if that's the best you get. I don't think you take an offer you don't like just because it might be slightly better than getting nothing. I'd tell Leonard he's getting suspended for the season and follow up on it with the hopes that he either expands his list of teams he'd sign an extension with or gets his agent to light a fire under the Lakers' asses to get them to make a move for assets the Spurs would want. If the worst case scenario is it doesn't work out and the team loses out on some crap like Kuzma I'll live with it, especially since it would fuck Leonard over by having him miss a second season of basketball. I don't think it would come to that because I can't imagine he can live with a second year away from the game, but he already stole $19 million from the team this year so I could give a shit about him if he tries to fuck the Spurs over again by depressing his trade value with threats to only sign in LA.

So cutting off your nose to spite your face then. How does that play with future free agents? You get nothing but hey, at least you stuck it to Kawhi!

So dumb. The Spurs are a professional sports franchise, not a vehicle for being petty.

[baseline bum]

So cutting off your nose to spite your face then. How does that play with future free agents? You get nothing but hey, at least you stuck it to Kawhi!

So dumb. The Spurs are a professional sports franchise, not a vehicle for being petty.

Daring Leonard to sit out a second season isn't being petty; it's much more likely he'd either expand his list of teams he'd go to or the Lakers would have to sweeten the offer. I would much rather try to maximize the expected value of the return I got than take a crap worst case deal. Besides, if that doesn't work you could always do the crap Kuzma deal right before the trade deadline if the suspension hasn't worked just so you can say you didn't lose him for absolutely nothing. I don't know why you don't want the Spurs to play hardball when Uncle Dennis obviously is. You call it cutting off your nose to spite your face but I call it the only way the Spurs could get any leverage whatsoever if Leonard pulls a Paul George and no one offers anything decent before the season starts. Do you actually think Leonard would be willing to sit next season out if the Spurs don't trade him to the Lakers? I think the odds he would do that are extremely low. If you think they're high I could understand your objection more.

[Ice009]

That's an interesting approach to take, and I wouldn't be against it if Uncle Dennis and Kawhi tries to screw the Spurs over. I would definitely consider it if they play hardball and try to screw the Spurs over with demands and a very short list of teams he'd only play for IF he wants out.

[MannyIsGod]

You think you increase your leverage by waiting for the trade deadline? You have no leverage at that point. The Lakers are probably going to burn their cap room this summer. They're not waiting to the trade deadline for a possibility at Leonard. I also don't know why you're limiting this to the Lakers.

If Kawhi isn't staying, the Spurs need to move on THIS summer. Makes no damn sense to wait.

[MaNu4Tres]

That's an interesting approach to take, and I wouldn't be against it if Uncle Dennis and Kawhi tries to screw the Spurs over. I would definitely consider it if they play hardball and try to screw the Spurs over with demands and a very short list of teams he'd only play for IF he wants out.

Spurs have tried to reel Kawhi back in countless of times all season and Kawhis insubordination towards Pop & the Spurs have turned the Spurs the opposite way.

It's likely past fixable at this point.

Very small glimmer of hope. Emphasize very.

[Chinook]

You think you increase your leverage by waiting for the trade deadline? You have no leverage at that point. The Lakers are probably going to burn their cap room this summer. They're not waiting to the trade deadline for a possibility at Leonard. I also don't know why you're limiting this to the Lakers.

If Kawhi isn't staying, the Spurs need to move on THIS summer. Makes no damn sense to wait.

Of course it does.

[Play Boban]

Kawhi for Porzingis

[cd021]

Spurs too, but PATFO prefers undersized guards who can shoot 45% 3pt in practice but only 30% in real games
Oh, you mean Bryn fucking Forbes?

I really hope he is gone next season

[tbdog]

Kawhi for Porzingis

Porz did his acl in February. Add 9 to 12 months recovering. He won't be back Until 2019.

[Play Boban]

Porz did his acl in February. Add 9 to 12 months recovering. He won't be back Until 2019.
Kawhitter misses entire seasons with mysterious “injuries” that are nowhere near as serious tbh.

[SuperCam]

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spur beat writers showing once again how clueless they are to the state of the actual NBA :lmao

[Spurs9]

You think you increase your leverage by waiting for the trade deadline? You have no leverage at that point. The Lakers are probably going to burn their cap room this summer. They're not waiting to the trade deadline for a possibility at Leonard. I also don't know why you're limiting this to the Lakers.

If Kawhi isn't staying, the Spurs need to move on THIS summer. Makes no damn sense to wait.

Before the draft too, assuming they get some high picks.

[MoSpur02]

Watching the Sixers and Celtics game right now. I would be okay with the Spurs trading Kawhi & Mills to the Celtics for Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and their pick. To me the playoffs show what kind of player you are. Tatum and Rozier are playing great for being so young in these playoffs. If it was the regular season I wouldn't be so high on them, but these are the playoffs.

[gospursgojas]

Watching the Sixers and Celtics game right now. I would be okay with the Spurs trading Kawhi & Mills to the Celtics for Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and their pick. To me the playoffs show what kind of player you are. Tatum and Rozier are playing great for being so young in these playoffs. If it was the regular season I wouldn't be so high on them, but these are the playoffs.

No way Celtics let all that go. We’ll be lucky to net one of Brown or Rozier and the pick. Tatum playing as well as he is hurt spurs chances of landing him for Kawhi.

[eDizzle20]

If I’m Boston I stand pat. No way I’m trading either of those guys (Brown/Tatum) with them being on rookie contracts. Their team could easily beat Golden State with all their weapons, not to mention the best coach right now. Gotta hand it to Boston...they’ve made all the right moves since Ainge has been in the front office. Their team is stacked.

[alpha_HaZE]

Right now it looks like; Irving and Hayward for Kawhi and Patty :)

[TheGreatYacht]

At this point Drunkford is lucky to get Rozier and Morris....

Gotta give it to Ainge. He's built a hell of a franchise.

[RD2191]

If I’m Boston I stand pat. No way I’m trading either of those guys (Brown/Tatum) with them being on rookie contracts. Their team could easily beat Golden State with all their weapons, not to mention the best coach right now. Gotta hand it to Boston...they’ve made all the right moves since Ainge has been in the front office. Their team is stacked.

:lol

[baseline bum]

You think you increase your leverage by waiting for the trade deadline? You have no leverage at that point. The Lakers are probably going to burn their cap room this summer. They're not waiting to the trade deadline for a possibility at Leonard. I also don't know why you're limiting this to the Lakers.

If Kawhi isn't staying, the Spurs need to move on THIS summer. Makes no damn sense to wait.

I'm only talking a worst case scenario where no one offers anything of value because he scares everyone off. I doubt it happens since I figure the Spurs could make a trade like Leonard for Kemba Walker, as Jordan could probably get Uncle Dennis a better shoe deal to leech off of. And I don't think Jordan would be scared of losing him as a free agent.

But answer this question: do you think Kawhi would hold out for a second season?

Back to the trade deadline talk: The Spurs could easily trade Leonard for Kuzma + Deng + $3 million at the deadline. You think the Lakers are saying no to that? By then the Lakers will have paid about 70% of Deng's 2018-19 contract and the Spurs would have a valuable $18 million expiring contract for summer 2019. Add in the $3 million they can ask the Lakers to send and the Spurs are on the hook for around $2.5 million of Deng's 2018-19 salary. I'm only bringing this scenario if the Lakers think they only have to offer Kuzma and their pick to get the deal done this summer.

[baseline bum]

Watching the Sixers and Celtics game right now. I would be okay with the Spurs trading Kawhi & Mills to the Celtics for Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and their pick. To me the playoffs show what kind of player you are. Tatum and Rozier are playing great for being so young in these playoffs. If it was the regular season I wouldn't be so high on them, but these are the playoffs.

Boston only has a good pick if the pick they got from the Sixers who got it from the Lakers lands at #2 or #3, otherwise they don't get that pick. Odds are pretty low of that since the Lakers had the 10th worst record in the league I think.

[baseline bum]

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spur beat writers showing once again how clueless they are to the state of the actual NBA :lmao

Tatum, Brown, and a first is like 50 cents on the dollar for Leonard, and it's doubtful they'll get that much.

[21209]

Danny Ainge would have to be insane to give up any of Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown for a player who's leg probably won't hold up over a long stretch for the rest of his career.

After what those two have done in these playoffs, the Spurs won't be sniffing either player.

[szkorhetz]

Danny Ainge would have to be insane to give up any of Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown for a player who's leg probably won't hold up over a long stretch for the rest of his career.

After what those two have done in these playoffs, the Spurs won't be sniffing either player.
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[palangi]

Danny Ainge would have to be insane to give up any of Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown for a player who's leg probably won't hold up over a long stretch for the rest of his career.

After what those two have done in these playoffs, the Spurs won't be sniffing either player.

Hey since you know lmao prognosis there DR. could you.......

[exstatic]

Danny Ainge would have to be insane to give up any of Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown for a player who's leg probably won't hold up over a long stretch for the rest of his career.

After what those two have done in these playoffs, the Spurs won't be sniffing either player.

For this to be valid, you would have to actually believe that he's damaged goods. I don't. I also believe that Ainge would give up one or both to keep Kawhi out of Philly. The Sixers become a mortal threat with the addition of an All NBA wing.

[BackHome]

That’s why I think if Kawhi is available they will go strong after Kawhi

[r0drig0lac]

1- Ainge would NEVER give up Tatum or Brown for Kawhi
2- Spurs is about to become the joke of the championship

[exstatic]

That’s why I think if Kawhi is available they will go strong after Kawhi

Exactly. They have two young players who may or may not get better, advance to All Star status, or maybe more. They also have Kyrie and Gordon combing back next year, both already All Stars, and in Kyrie's case, All NBA. They feed at the trough first. The youngsters will have to go back further in line. They may not like that. At least one of them will have to come off the bench. IF one of them does explode into stardom, then they have an already burgeoning payroll, and maybe their own SuperMax headache on the horizon.

[exstatic]

1- Ainge would NEVER give up Tatum or Brown for Kawhi
2- Spurs is about to become the joke of the championship

https://pics.me.me/english-motherfucker-do-you-speak-it-13596485.png

[DPG21920]

I bet, even with all Lebron has done, that most people on here or otherwise would have scoffed at trading Kyle Lowry + DeRozan for Lebron. You would scream “no way! That is wayyyyy to much, yada yada”. Then you see how much Lebron is worth as he destroys them.

Kawhi, healthy, is in that realm. A franchise changing superstar above the likes of Giannis and AD even. They dont come around often and are rarely available via trade.

Just how Harden changed HOU and Lebron would change anyone, getting Kawhi would be a game changer and mean almost instant conference finals or more for anyone.

There will be teams that want him and bid accordingly IMO especially if the health stuff gets cleared up (like his team saying he’s cleared).

[cd98]

I bet, even with all Lebron has done, that most people on here or otherwise would have scoffed at trading Kyle Lowry + DeRozan for Lebron. You would scream “no way! That is wayyyyy to much, yada yada”. Then you see how much Lebron is worth as he destroys them.

Kawhi, healthy, is in that realm. A franchise changing superstar above the likes of Giannis and AD even. They dont come around often and are rarely available via trade.

Just how Harden changed HOU and Lebron would change anyone, getting Kawhi would be a game changer and mean almost instant conference finals or more for anyone.

There will be teams that want him and bid accordingly IMO especially if the health stuff gets cleared up (like his team saying he’s cleared).

I think it kind of depends on how Boston does against the Cavs. If the Cavs win and Lebron dominates, it's easy to conclude that they need someone that can slow Lebron and score and Kawhi would be a must-get. In that scenario, giving up Brown and Tatum would be justifiable. People are forgetting how good Kawhi was last year in the playoffs and he wasn't playing leastern conference teams like the Bucks and the 76ers.

[mo7888]

I bet, even with all Lebron has done, that most people on here or otherwise would have scoffed at trading Kyle Lowry + DeRozan for Lebron. You would scream “no way! That is wayyyyy to much, yada yada”. Then you see how much Lebron is worth as he destroys them.

Kawhi, healthy, is in that realm. A franchise changing superstar above the likes of Giannis and AD even. They dont come around often and are rarely available via trade.

Just how Harden changed HOU and Lebron would change anyone, getting Kawhi would be a game changer and mean almost instant conference finals or more for anyone.

There will be teams that want him and bid accordingly IMO especially if the health stuff gets cleared up (like his team saying he’s cleared).

I agree wholeheartedly. One more important part of this is that the east teams that will want him also want to make sure he doesn't end up with a rival. That is almost as important as getting him in the first place. If you're Boston and Philly gets Kawhi you take a step back.... ainge can't let that happen...

[cjw]

Danny Ainge would have to be insane to give up any of Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown for a player who's leg probably won't hold up over a long stretch for the rest of his career.

After what those two have done in these playoffs, the Spurs won't be sniffing either player.

It’s amazing what being guarded by the likes of Jason Terry, JJ Redick and Marco will do for your perceived value. Don’t get me wrong, they’re solid. But let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves yet.

[21209]

Scoff at my post all you want.

Bottom line is, Danny Ainge has proven to be shrewd when it comes to trades. He jettisoned Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce when they were declining, He got Kyrie for basically damaged goods in Isaiah Thomas, etc..

Point is, he's not going to give up young assets for a player, like Kawhi, with so many question marks concerning his health.

It doesn't fit his M.O.

[Killakobe81]

Danny Ainge would have to be insane to give up any of Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown for a player who's leg probably won't hold up over a long stretch for the rest of his career.

After what those two have done in these playoffs, the Spurs won't be sniffing either player.

I think brown is still realistic. No way on tatum, if I am celts ...Brown, Rozier and a 1st ... and you will take it and like it.

Tatum is putting up over 20 a night in the playoffs as 19 year old I wouldn't trade Tatum for Kiwi straight up, based on longterm projections. Plus he is way cheaper too.
Obviously Kiwi is way better right now and will be for the next 2-3 years or so ...

[BillMc]

Probably, better chance to get Prozingis and the Knicks #1. Since KP is injured and Dolan an idiot, seems like Spurs could work that angle to their advantage.

[Killakobe81]

I bet, even with all Lebron has done, that most people on here or otherwise would have scoffed at trading Kyle Lowry + DeRozan for Lebron. You would scream “no way! That is wayyyyy to much, yada yada”. Then you see how much Lebron is worth as he destroys them.

Kawhi, healthy, is in that realm. A franchise changing superstar above the likes of Giannis and AD even. They dont come around often and are rarely available via trade.

Just how Harden changed HOU and Lebron would change anyone, getting Kawhi would be a game changer and mean almost instant conference finals or more for anyone.

There will be teams that want him and bid accordingly IMO especially if the health stuff gets cleared up (like his team saying he’s cleared).

Kiwi is amazing best defender since Pistons rodman, prime Pippen or Glove and I think he is even better than those guys defending wings maybe GP defended smaller guys better.
TBS, Kiwi cannot have the same impact as Lebron or harden because he is nowhere close to them as a playmaker.
And im soorry because of that he projects more like a Ant Davis great player but less impactful on his team-mates.

The gap between Lebron/Harden and Davis/Kiwi offensively is wide despite Kiwi being far more efficient ...
Tatum I dont think will be a deluxe playmaker either but he is far better at it than KL was as a rookie or even 2nd year player ...

[Killakobe81]

Probably, better chance to get Prozingis and the Knicks #1. Since KP is injured and Dolan an idiot, seems like Spurs could work that angle to their advantage.

that is not a bad trade for either side but I think KP will battle injury throughout his career ...and depends on where knicks pick lands

[BillMc]

that is not a bad trade for either side but I think KP will battle injury throughout his career ...and depends on where knicks pick lands

There is that risk for sure, but he has tremendous potential and was playing great before the injury. And that Knicks pick could be high.

I also like the revenge idea of stranding Kawhi in the hapless knicks. Uncle Dennis and the other leeches after money will be thrilled at that huge market, but poor Kawhi will be headed to on-court hell.

[Seventyniner]

Tatum and Brown are looking better than they would if Irving and Hayward were healthy. Remember everyone slobbing on Simmons for putting up those numbers in last year's WCF? This could be Ainge's chance to sell high on them.

And screw Rozier. I don't want him as part of any trade. I would rather have an extra pick.

[Killakobe81]

Tatum and Brown are looking better than they would if Irving and Hayward were healthy. Remember everyone slobbing on Simmons for putting up those numbers in last year's WCF? This could be Ainge's chance to sell high on them.

And screw Rozier. I don't want him as part of any trade. I would rather have an extra pick.

Agree on Brown he is good but not great but Tatum has a chance to be special. people forget he is only 19 and his work ethic is already elite ...I think he will be the best rookie in this class and a small chance to be be best rookie prospect since Ant Davis.

[spursistan]

(Note to San Antonio Spurs fans pitching Kawhi Leonard deals involving Tatum and lots of other stuff: It's not clear Boston would do Tatum for Leonard straight up without getting a clean bill of health for Leonard and an assurance he re-signs. Tatum is on a rookie deal for three more seasons. A max deal for Leonard would make it hard to keep guys like Smart and Rozier, even for the short term.)
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23465885/zach-lowe-boston-celtics-toughness-nba-playoffs

Lowe is basically telling you; right now forget it even if it's "straight up" :lol

[DPG21920]

Lowe is saying what I said; getting Kawhi cleared is the big obstacle. I have no doubt that if Kawhi is healthy teams will line up for him.

A team like BOS would have no issues getting Kawhi extended either.

[Chris Fall]

Lowe is saying what I said; getting Kawhi cleared is the big obstacle. I have no doubt that if Kawhi is healthy teams will line up for him.

A team like BOS would have no issues getting Kawhi extended either.

Teams may line up. Boston probably isn’t one of those teams. It’s the team that has the best assets that the Spurs would want. They are also in a unique situation not to want or need to pursue Leonard for several reasons. They already have three huge contracts on payroll. Adding Leonard would likely necessitate dealing either Kyrie or Hayward. Maybe they’d deal Kyrie with Rozier playing the way he has. But I doubt Stevens would be on board flipping Gordon already without having a chance to coach him again. They have at least two more years of rookie scale salary on Brown and Tatum to see if one or both reaches superstar level performance so they can choose which one they end up committing big money to. It’s also a short but good window to still compete for a title. While adding Kyrie and Hayward into the mix, I’d suspect they’d like to see what they got before going all in on someone like Leonard, who even if clears healthy, has some red flags due to how things transpired this season. Next summer would be a better guess for Boston to want to explore trading for a superstar if the Kyrie and Hayward thing do ant go well.

Additionally, unless he makes it clear he would sign an extension, I wouldn’t assume Boston would have no issues extending Leonard because it seems like he really want some to go back to the West Coast.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ainge should sell high on Kyrie, it's been his specialty:stirpot:

Great individual talent, but minimal impact on a team's success.. trading Hayward would be better, but I don't know how many teams want to pay 120 million for an overrated player coming off a serious injury..

Rozier/Smart
Brown
Kawhi/Hayward
Tatum/Morris
Horford/Baynes

Almost perfect for today's NBA..switch everything, enough shooting, no liabilities on either side, huge size on the perimeter..

[Killakobe81]

Ainge should sell high on Kyrie, it's been his specialty:stirpot:

Great individual talent, but minimal impact on a team's success.. trading Hayward would be better, but I don't know how many teams want to pay 120 million for an overrated player coming off a serious injury..

Rozier/Smart
Brown
Kawhi/Hayward
Tatum/Morris
Horford/Baynes

Almost perfect for today's NBA..switch everything, enough shooting, no liabilities on either side, huge size on the perimeter..

How can you sell high?
Knee issue...
only one year left on deal ...
The sell high would have been after the series clincher dagger two plus years ago...

[BackHome]

I think Boston will get into the action but in the end Philly has the assets has multiple draft picks and is able to take on other players ie: Green, Mills, or Gasol.

[exstatic]

I think Boston will get into the action but in the end Philly has the assets has multiple draft picks and is able to take on other players ie: Green, Mills, or Gasol.

If you have a choice between middle to late lottery picks, or developing high draft picks like Brown or Tatum, you go with the latter. The problem with a lot of Philly's assets (Simmons, Fultz) is that they can't fucking shoot. We already HAVE players who can't fucking shoot. We don't need any more.

[Baam]

If you have a choice between middle to late lottery picks, or developing high draft picks like Brown or Tatum, you go with the latter. The problem with a lot of Philly's assets (Simmons, Fultz) is that they can't fucking shoot. We already HAVE players who can't fucking shoot. We don't need any more.

Fultz has hope to rediscover his shot. Unlike Simmons who doesn't even know which hand he should use.

Also Brown is nothing special in my eyes, nice role player that's it... I take Smart over Brown any day, at least he's elite at something.

Tatum is different but I still think best case Fultz is way better than best case Tatum.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Fultz will never be anything more than a solid role player and he's nowhere close to that right now.

[tholdren]

Fultz will never be anything more than a solid role player and he's nowhere close to that right now.

Yet hes nba talent.... lol nba

[BackHome]

If Philly Gets LeBron you ca bet if Kawhi is healthy Ainge will trade Tatum in a heart beat

[Baam]

If they trade Kawhi it's either Fultz or Doncic calling it now.

Tatum can't average 8 assists, Fultz can. Tatum is a great scorer but you don't trade Kawhi for the next Joe Johnson, you trade him for a shot at the next Harden/Ginobili.

[CGD]

If they trade Kawhi it's either Fultz or Doncic calling it now.

Tatum can't average 8 assists, Fultz can. Tatum is a great scorer but you don't trade Kawhi for the next Joe Johnson, you trade him for a shot at the next Harden/Ginobili.

Sadly, I don’t see a path to Doncic. Kawhi can just let it be known that he wont resign with PHX, ATL or whatever scrub team has the top 3 pick.

I do agree that folks are too dismissive on Fultz and probably are overhyping Tatum some (not saying he’s bad).

[SpursBills]

Sadly, I don’t see a path to Doncic. Kawhi can just let be known that he work resign with PHX, ATL or whatever scrub team has the top 3 pick.

I do agree that folks are too dismissive on Fultz and probably are overhyping Tatum some (not saying he’s bad).

Most likely path to doncic is probably if Cleveland lucks into a top 2 pick

[FkLA]

Fuck Fultz and Saric proposals, go get Tatum, imo.

[SuperCam]

spurm fans still thinking they will get tatum AND brown or even tatum and a high lotto pick for Kawhripple :lol

[Spurs9]

Why would they trade Kawhi for a dude who has played like 10 games? :lol

[spursistan]

Tatum + (or)Brown + pick for Kiwi?

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2rcwqwo.jpg

The Celtics are completely out of it. There is no conversation to be had on their two best prospects. I reckon Ainge is ruthless enough to dangle Kyrie for the Spurs, but that's about it..

[SuperCam]

Tatum + (or)Brown + pick for Kiwi?

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2rcwqwo.jpg

The Celtics are completely out of it. There is no conversation to be had on their two best prospects. I reckon Ainge is ruthless enough to dangle Kyrie for the Spurs, but that's about it..

:lmao

:cry but but kiwi top 2 player... bostoon lucky to get him for ten cents on teh dollar :cry

[SuperCam]

Brown putting up Jimmy bucket numbers with elite defense while making minimum wage and spur fan thinking they'll get kiwi for him and lottery picks :lol

[FkLA]

I don't see the same potential with Brown, honestly. Has great physical tools obviously, but he's not as fluid offensively as Tatum despite being a year older. Can't create his own shot as easily. Solid two-way player but I'm not sure he'll ever be an elite offensive player. It has to be Tatum if they trade with Boston, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi is staying a spur so moot point

[palangi]

Brown putting up Jimmy bucket numbers with elite defense while making minimum wage and spur fan thinking they'll get kiwi for him and lottery picks :lol

A Charlotte fan laughing at sports fans. Oh the irony!

[cd98]

Kawhi is better than Brown/Tatum. LOL at people thinking Boston beating Cavs at home proves anything. This Cav team would not have made it to the second round in WC. Not even sure that Cav team would’ve made the playoffs in WC. Spurs creamed then without Kawhi.

[SuperCam]

995286175089942529


PATFO will be forced to deal with Maginka in LA or Sixers brass now. either ingram/kuz or fultz/saric will be all Kiwi will fetch tbh


should have made trade at deadline when they could have gotten both or at least one and all boston picks :bang

[Mr. Body]

If the Sixers look like getting Kawhi, the Celtics might have to consider bidding.

[tbdog]

I would take Gobert and Ingles.

[SpursDynasty85]

If the Sixers look like getting Kawhi, the Celtics might have to consider bidding.

They are already contenders and have Hayward and Kyrie coming back next year. They have 0 pressure to do anything. At this point as long as they take this series to at least 6 or 7 or better yet win the series, trading them makes no sense. They already have two perennial all star veterans coming to this young contending team. Only trade that makes sense is to trade Kyrie or Hayward now.

[SuperCam]

If the Sixers look like getting Kawhi, the Celtics might have to consider bidding.

boston isnt scared of philly they would be fine with them paying embiid and kiwi who are two injury concerns a combined 60 to 70 million while having to gut their team of valuable vets and depth especially once simmons gets his max.

[RD2191]

Kawhi is better than Brown/Tatum. LOL at people thinking Boston beating Cavs at home proves anything. This Cav team would not have made it to the second round in WC. Not even sure that Cav team would’ve made the playoffs in WC. Spurs creamed then without Kawhi.

Celts are definitely overrrated imo. Also they look good against scrub competition out East. They'll get wrecked in the Finals.

[palangi]

boston isnt scared of philly they would be fine with them paying embiid and kiwi who are two injury concerns a combined 60 to 70 million while having to gut their team of valuable vets and depth especially once simmons gets his max.

Definitely not afraid of the Bobcats

[Robz4000]

They are already contenders and have Hayward and Kyrie coming back next year. They have 0 pressure to do anything. At this point as long as they take this series to at least 6 or 7 or better yet win the series, trading them makes no sense. They already have two perennial all star veterans coming to this young contending team. Only trade that makes sense is to trade Kyrie or Hayward now.

:lol Hayward being a "perennial all star"

[SpursDynasty85]

:lol Hayward being a "perennial all star"

Yea. Well he made all star last year and just hit his prime. Calling it early and assuming he comes back healthy like pg. He should make the next 3 or 4 all star teams. We will see how his production holds up with the breakout of Tatum, brown, and rozier.

[Play Boban]

Tatum is better than Kawhitter RIGHT NOW.

[palangi]

Tatum is better than Kawhitter RIGHT NOW.

You're so clever

[sasaint]

They are already contenders and have Hayward and Kyrie coming back next year. They have 0 pressure to do anything. At this point as long as they take this series to at least 6 or 7 or better yet win the series, trading them makes no sense. They already have two perennial all star veterans coming to this young contending team. Only trade that makes sense is to trade Kyrie or Hayward now.

I haven't gone to the trade machine to check any scenarios, but the Cs could trade both Kyrie and Hayward for another all star type to add to their current active roster and really be serious contenders.

[Play Boban]

You're so clever
Thanks. Tatum is out there playing now while Kawhitter quit on his team and refused to play in the playoffs.

[pad300]

boston isnt scared of philly they would be fine with them paying embiid and kiwi who are two injury concerns a combined 60 to 70 million while having to gut their team of valuable vets and depth especially once simmons gets his max.

They should be - IIRC the math right, PHI could add Lebron on top of that. Ya think he might be attracted?

[tbdog]

They are already contenders and have Hayward and Kyrie coming back next year. They have 0 pressure to do anything. At this point as long as they take this series to at least 6 or 7 or better yet win the series, trading them makes no sense. They already have two perennial all star veterans coming to this young contending team. Only trade that makes sense is to trade Kyrie or Hayward now.

The interesting thing about Hayward and Irving getting injured was now the Celtics are forced to play their best defenders and it's working.

[Mark in Austin]

Danny Ainge also offered 4 #1 picks for Justice Winslow, so I'm not sure he's as infallible as people are saying now.

[Ice009]

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PATFO will be forced to deal with Maginka in LA or Sixers brass now. either ingram/kuz or fultz/saric will be all Kiwi will fetch tbh


should have made trade at deadline when they could have gotten both or at least one and all boston picks :bang

What do those numbers on the left of that tweet signify?

[rasuo214]

What do those numbers on the left of that tweet signify?

Timestamps for the woj podcast that was linked.

[palangi]

Thanks. Tatum is out there playing now while Kawhitter quit on his team and refused to play in the playoffs.

Very childish, I guess?

[Ice009]

Timestamps for the woj podcast that was linked.

Oh, thanks. I might listen to it then if I have time.

As for trading with Boston, if they don't want to give up any of these young guys, then the Spurs shouldn't trade with them at all. Don't even bother talking to them.

Anyway, I'd much rather keep Kawhi than getting Brown, Tatum or even Kyrie back for him.

[Play Boban]

Very childish, I guess?
:cry

[YGWHI]

995286175089942529
A few weeks ago I thought Kawhi for Jaylen Brown was a trade that Ainge will never make, esp after looking Brown's good playoffs performances

But rumors say that Brown was one of Ainge's favorite players until his comments about race, sports organizations..."Sport is a mechanism of control in America"...

It seems like he envisions Brown as a Kaepernick-type of guy now...

While Pop would love to have a player on his team talking about racial inequality, Ainge wouldn't.

I still think this trade won't happen...Who knows.

[palangi]

:cry
Yes you are crying like a teenage girl.
Very embarrassing for a grown man.

[palangi]

A few weeks ago I thought Kawhi for Jaylen Brown was a trade that Ainge will never make, esp after looking Brown's good playoffs performances

But rumors say that Brown was one of Ainge's favorite players until his comments about race, sports organizations..."Sport is a mechanism of control in America"...

It seems like he envisions Brown as a Kaepernick-type of guy now...

While Pop would love to have a player on his team talking about racial inequality, Ainge wouldn't.

I still think this trade won't happen...Who knows.

You can control me for millions a year.....

[cd021]

A few weeks ago I thought Kawhi for Jaylen Brown was a trade that Ainge will never make, esp after looking Brown's good playoffs performances

But rumors say that Brown was one of Ainge's favorite players until his comments about race, sports organizations..."Sport is a mechanism of control in America"...

It seems like he envisions Brown as a Kaepernick-type of guy now...

While Pop would love to have a player on his team talking about racial inequality, Ainge wouldn't.

I still think this trade won't happen...Who knows.

Why would Ainge be upset with him saying that. It's not like it was some kind of distraction or alienated fans from the team? That rumor sounds a bit sketchy tbh

[ceds]

i think Brown is the closest prospect to kawhi in the league and has that 2 way potential.

I'd demand he be included in any trade with Boston

[Play Boban]

Yes you are crying like a teenage girl.
Very embarrassing for a grown man.
:lol

[CGD]

A few weeks ago I thought Kawhi for Jaylen Brown was a trade that Ainge will never make, esp after looking Brown's good playoffs performances

But rumors say that Brown was one of Ainge's favorite players until his comments about race, sports organizations..."Sport is a mechanism of control in America"...

It seems like he envisions Brown as a Kaepernick-type of guy now...

While Pop would love to have a player on his team talking about racial inequality, Ainge wouldn't.

I still think this trade won't happen...Who knows.

Brown is an absolutely deep and smart dude. I love his social commentary.

Also, ainge can eat a dick.

[YGWHI]

Why would Ainge be upset with him saying that. It's not like it was some kind of distraction or alienated fans from the team? That rumor sounds a bit sketchy tbh
I know. But it's Ainge, it's Boston..IDK


Brown is an absolutely deep and smart dude. I love his social commentary.
Me, too.

Sadly, this happened to him before. Some NBA coach said he's too smart for his own good

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/bulpett_jaylen_brown_s_inner_circle_embraces_smart _label

I think only stupid people find a smart/free thinker dangerous.
But NBA is about business and players that GMs can manage... Ainge could feel he can't deal with that type of player. It's just a rumor.

[DPG21920]

I would love Jaylen Brown over about any other prospect from another team (other than the obvious if SA could get a proven star like KAT, etc..)

[Ice009]

Yeah, I'd take Jaylen Brown too. I didn't know much about him, but his intellect fits the Spurs culture perfectly. He may not ever become as good as Kawhi on the court, but he sounds like he's 10x more suited to the Spurs personality wise.

[CGD]

I know. But it's Ainge, it's Boston..IDK


Me, too.

Sadly, this happened to him before. Some NBA coach said he's too smart for his own good

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/bulpett_jaylen_brown_s_inner_circle_embraces_smart _label

I think only stupid people find a smart/free thinker dangerous.
But NBA is about business and players that GMs can manage... Ainge could feel he can't deal with that type of player. It's just a rumor.

But, but, but Boston is a progressive city... LOL

[Killakobe81]

I would love Jaylen Brown over about any other prospect from another team (other than the obvious if SA could get a proven star like KAT, etc..)

I dont get why many are down on him here. Outside of a poor game 3 he has been great all playoffs. And he is very articulate and thoughtful. he seems like he would be a slam-dunk fit for the Spurs culture. I do think Tatum has more upside but I dont think brown is a bad 2nd choice, especially if you coul get Celts to part with any other picks that belong to bottom feeders. Brown-and two first rounders would be an amazing haul for someone who may not want to be in Sa and/or damaged goods.

[Killakobe81]

Brown is an absolutely deep and smart dude. I love his social commentary.

Also, ainge can eat a dick.

Agree 100% Eff Ainge Buck Foston!
I like Brown, smart kid.

[exstatic]

But, but, but Boston is a progressive city... LOL

Massachusetts is a progressive state, but Boston is as racist as the Deep South. They used to throw rocks at the buses taking black kids into Southie back in the 70s when busing was a thing.

[cd98]

Before we anoint the young Celtics as the next stars, let's first see how they handle their business tonight. They lose tonight and then in Boston, I think the book is rewritten on just how good they are and just how untouchable they are.

[DPG21920]

It’s still amazing what BOS has done, but if they lose to this Lebron team they will realize they need a lot more to win it all. GS is so much more than Lebron.

[spurraider21]

It’s still amazing what BOS has done, but if they lose to this Lebron team they will realize they need a lot more to win it all. GS is so much more than Lebron.
or for their stud rookie and sophomore to grow and develop... and to have their whole roster healthy including their 2 most expensive players

[DPG21920]

or for their stud rookie and sophomore to grow and develop... and to have their whole roster healthy including their 2 most expensive players

My man, two things:

A lot of the players making a big impact (Smart, Rozier, etc..) would either not be playing or playing a lot less so the net gain with Kyrie there might not be as big as one would think. Not trying to minimize things with them out, but those guys are playing so well I don’t know if Kyrie would play THAT much better.

Their stud young guys, as good as they have been still are so, so far away from being a Lebron or even Kawhi. They may never get there. You see how a legit Superstar (Lebron) is on such a different tier than even an all-star level player.

Besides that the fact that a true Superstar (Lebron) can maybe beat your really good team by himself leads ones to believe that getting a Kawhi, even at the expense of a good young stud is probably the right course of action in my opinion assuming you don’t have concerns with health/re-signing.

That’s all I’m saying. This CLE team is not anything but slightly above average and losing to them shows not only the power of having a realized superstar but also just how far away those young studs truly are if they can even get to that point eventually.

[spurraider21]

yeah... i'm just saying the C's have a TON of room for internal improvement before having to rethink their current roster strategy

[DPG21920]

yeah... i'm just saying the C's have a TON of room for internal improvement before having to rethink their current roster strategy

Sure, but losing to basically a Superstar and bunch of other crap pretty much blows that “we don’t need a Superstar” argument out of the window.

Lebron isn’t going anywhere. Curry/KD aren’t going anywhere and just like people that said they wouldn’t trade Lowry and DeRozan for Lebron, they probably changed their tune after Lebron killed them. Just like this might happen if you realize that basically just Lebron beat your really good team and you now have to make certain that your studs develop to that level if you are passing on a Kawhi that can put you there.

But yes, C’s don’t HAVE to do anything. They can be really good for a long time even if the guys don’t develop into legit superstars. But Kyrie is due a ton of money and so are several other players. If you pass up on a Superstar the heat is on now.

[DPG21920]

I may just be doing a poor job of articulating my point:

People are high on BOS studs because of what they have done so far and assuming the level they are at now + any growth means legit superstars.

But losing to a very average Lebron Cavs casts some doubt on the level they are at and their ceiling IMO. Like, if they lose to this Cavs team then they have to grow significantly in order to just beat this medicore CLE team, let alone grow enough to ever even topple a GS. CLE is the barometer and it’s not really that high of a bar. Not beating them doesn’t mean they suck or something it just means that internal growth has to be major if they have aspirations of a title and if that is the case be careful on passing up on legit superstars.

[daslicer]

I may just be doing a poor job of articulating my point:

People are high on BOS studs because of what they have done so far and assuming the level they are at now + any growth means legit superstars.

But losing to a very average Lebron Cavs casts some doubt on the level they are at and their ceiling IMO. Like, if they lose to this Cavs team then they have to grow significantly in order to just beat this medicore CLE team, let alone grow enough to ever even topple a GS. CLE is the barometer and it’s not really that high of a bar. Not beating them doesn’t mean they suck or something it just means that internal growth has to be major if they have aspirations of a title and if that is the case be careful on passing up on legit superstars.

Also have to factor in this will probably be the last year in a while that Lebron has a mediocre supporting cast. It's pretty much set in a stone he will create another super team. If Boston can't beat Lebron when he has average to below average supporting caste then they will feel the pressure in trying to beat him once he has another super team. They could possibly beat him in the future if Tatum and Brown take their games to the next level but that's not guaranteed to happen. Also I don't believe Irving and Hayward will be enough to topple Lebron when he forms his next Super team. Hayward to me is soft and in the same category of being a star as Derozan and Lowry.

[DPG21920]

BOS is in a great spot and their young guys + Hayward/Kyrie (even if that cost them some elite role players financially) will still be damn good. I’m just saying it’s hard to look a true superstar (Kawhi/Bron/AD) in the eye and say no because you have a young team that looks really good. Especially of they lose to this Cavs team.

Will it knock off all the shine? Of course not. But it will show where they are truly at now vs where they need to be to win the East, let alone the entire league.

[cd021]

But, but, but Boston is a progressive city... LOL

Boston's is notoriously racist, even if the state ,at large, is blue.




Massachusetts is a progressive state, but Boston is as racist as the Deep South. They used to throw rocks at the buses taking black kids into Southie back in the 70s when busing was a thing.

Pretty much tbh

[SpursDynasty85]

I may just be doing a poor job of articulating my point:

People are high on BOS studs because of what they have done so far and assuming the level they are at now + any growth means legit superstars.

But losing to a very average Lebron Cavs casts some doubt on the level they are at and their ceiling IMO. Like, if they lose to this Cavs team then they have to grow significantly in order to just beat this medicore CLE team, let alone grow enough to ever even topple a GS. CLE is the barometer and it’s not really that high of a bar. Not beating them doesn’t mean they suck or something it just means that internal growth has to be major if they have aspirations of a title and if that is the case be careful on passing up on legit superstars.

Lebron should be embarrased already. His team is by far and away the most talented team in the East. Had Hayward and Irving been back they might have an argument especially seeing how good Tatum and Brown are but the Cavaliers are littered with potential all-star talent. (Love, Thompson, Rodney Hood, and to an extent George Hill all have all start potential in the right situation) Up and comers like Jordan Crawford, Larry Nance, Kyle Korver, and Jeff Green are solid role players. Lebron is just stat padding and playing hero ball at this point. He has given up all hope attempting to play to "win" and only cares about his legacy it seems. He is old now. Maybe its time for us to say he is not really a top 3 player anymore if he can't even beat a Celtics team that is littered with young guys and rookies.

[Leetonidas]

The fuck are you talking about? Lebrons team sucks. Love is soft and inconsistent. Same for Hill. Smith is garbage. Korver is 37 and his defense is trash. Clarkson is an overrated black hole. Nance is nothing more than an energy big. Green has always been trash. And Hood is an emotional inconsistent diva. That team sucks balls outside of James

[spurraider21]

:lmao rodney hood, tristan thompson, and george hill potential all stars

who else? larry nance?

also lol "jordan crawford"

when you cant even remember their names, you know they're scrubs

[Leetonidas]

Also :lmao @ Jordan Crawford

[cd98]

LOL at people thinking Tatum for Kawhi straight up. Imagine if Kawhi was guarding him right now.

[daslicer]

LOL at people thinking Tatum for Kawhi straight up. Imagine if Kawhi was guarding him right now.

Agreed. Boston was getting arrogant when it comes to the value of Tatum and Brown. It would take at least Tatum and Brown for them to get Kawhi. Both are not playing well right now.

[tholdren]

The fuck are you talking about? Lebrons team sucks. Love is soft and inconsistent. Same for Hill. Smith is garbage. Korver is 37 and his defense is trash. Clarkson is an overrated black hole. Nance is nothing more than an energy big. Green has always been trash. And Hood is an emotional inconsistent diva. That team sucks balls outside of James

And james picked the team. Per usual. Great athlete terrible bbiq

[DPG21920]

Tried to tell people. I love Tatum & Brown but Kawhi is a top 5 player. There is a gulf between them and who knows if they get to that level.

[baseline bum]

:lmao rodney hood, tristan thompson, and george hill potential all stars

who else? larry nance?

also lol "jordan crawford"

when you cant even remember their names, you know they're scrubs

Don't forget their hall of fame coach.

[Play Boban]

Don't forget their hall of fame coach.
You talking about Coach LeBron?

[Slippy]

The only trade that makes sense for the celtics considering how deep their team is & how well they going in the playoffs is Kyrie for Kawhi. Ball dominant guard would ruin that chemistry and development they showing right now

[99 Problems]

C need a Kawhi to put them over the top but my guess is that Ainge didn’t need game 3&4 to know that. It’s going to be fun when the leaks about offers come filtering through.

[Killakobe81]

Tried to tell people. I love Tatum & Brown but Kawhi is a top 5 player. There is a gulf between them and who knows if they get to that level.

Sure there is. But How would have KL performed his rookie year in the ECF/WCF?
For his rookie season KL averaged 8 pts and 5 rebs. Tatum has easily bested those numbers his rookie year both playoff and regular season.
I dont disagree that there is no garuntee Tatum or Brown reach KL's level, but they are also cheaper and Tatum is almost 3 years younger than KL was as a rook.
I just see tremendous upside with the kid who despite missing a dunk continual attacked the rim last night despite his struggles.
I think if you could get Tatum/the sac pick and maybe the philly pick (i think they got one in the trade down for tatum) that is a great, great haul ...and if you get a servicable player to make the contracts match (gamble on hayward?) even better.

[Killakobe81]

Btw I hate Boston and hope yall fleece the hell out of them tbh...
But I think yall will make price to high and ainge doesnt bite and you will pay supermax to a diminishing KL who tatum will be the more valuable commodity in two-three years.

[exstatic]

Sure there is. But How would have KL performed his rookie year in the ECF/WCF?
For his rookie season KL averaged 8 pts and 5 rebs. Tatum has easily bested those numbers his rookie year both playoff and regular season.
I dont disagree that there is no garuntee Tatum or Brown reach KL's level, but they are also cheaper and Tatum is almost 3 years younger than KL was as a rook.
I just see tremendous upside with the kid who despite missing a dunk continual attacked the rim last night despite his struggles.
I think if you could get Tatum/the sac pick and maybe the philly pick (i think they got one in the trade down for tatum) that is a great, great haul ...and if you get a servicable player to make the contracts match (gamble on hayward?) even better.

??? Kawhi was 19, at least when he was drafted in June 2011. Tatum was 16 this year?

[cd98]

Sure there is. But How would have KL performed his rookie year in the ECF/WCF?
For his rookie season KL averaged 8 pts and 5 rebs. Tatum has easily bested those numbers his rookie year both playoff and regular season.
I dont disagree that there is no garuntee Tatum or Brown reach KL's level, but they are also cheaper and Tatum is almost 3 years younger than KL was as a rook.
I just see tremendous upside with the kid who despite missing a dunk continual attacked the rim last night despite his struggles.
I think if you could get Tatum/the sac pick and maybe the philly pick (i think they got one in the trade down for tatum) that is a great, great haul ...and if you get a servicable player to make the contracts match (gamble on hayward?) even better.

But how many points would KL have scored his rookie year if Manu and Tim and Tony got injured and his number of available shots increased? Too many what ifs. That said, if we are talking about the players at this point and time, we don't know if Kawhi is healthy, so it's hard to say what a trade involving the two players should look like. But for my money, if Kawhi is healthy, as he sits today, he is way better than Tatum by comparison.

[pad300]

And james picked the team. Per usual. Great athlete terrible bbiq

No, on the floor, he has great BBIQ, he just a terrible GM. Like Jordan, like Magic... I think it's a a thing for GOAT players - they don't understand how the things that come so easy for them are so difficult for lesser players...

[duncan2k5]

??? Kawhi was 19, at least when he was drafted in June 2011. Tatum was 16 this year?

LMFAO

[Killakobe81]

??? Kawhi was 19, at least when he was drafted in June 2011. Tatum was 16 this year?

It's only about 1.5 years ... I meant to round that to two.
Either way I hope yall fleece teh hell out of Boston and when the dust settles yall have won the trade.

[DPG21920]

Look, again, if it takes growth just to beat this CLE team? How much growth to threaten GS? It’s possible and they would be justified in keeping their guys but right now healthy Kawhi is so much better than everyone but Bron, KD & AD/Harden

[Killakobe81]

Look, again, if it takes growth just to beat this CLE team? How much growth to threaten GS? It’s possible and they would be justified in keeping their guys but right now healthy Kawhi is so much better than everyone but Bron, KD & AD/Harden

I agree. though he lacks the playmaking of HArden I take him over him too. Im just saying if I m celts i play the long game insted of the short one ... But If I am the Spurs and If KL is truly, unhappy you fleece celts for as many picks as possible plus Tatum or Brown. If im spurs I go hard first after Tatum settle on brown but insist they up the draft picks if they wont give up Tatum. Tatum sac pick and a salary is starting point as OP states ... but to accept Brown you fleece more picks from ainge even if you like brown like I do.

[DAF86]

Tried to tell people. I love Tatum & Brown but Kawhi is a top 5 player. There is a gulf between them and who knows if they get to that level.

Top 3 actually but yeah, I don't know why folks are acting as if we would be trading away a Derrick Rose or some shit like that. :lol

If you don't get something for at least 1/8th of the price of a top 3, 26 year old player (which it would be Tatum, the Kings pick and something more) then you just wait it out and get Kawhi on the court to remind everyone just how much of a monster Kawhi is.

[ducks]

The only trade that makes sense for the celtics considering how deep their team is & how well they going in the playoffs is Kyrie for Kawhi. Ball dominant guard would ruin that chemistry and development they showing right now

I would rather do that and get a draft pick to

[Killakobe81]

Top 3 actually but yeah, I don't know why folks are acting as if we would be trading away a Derrick Rose or some shit like that. :lol

If you don't get something for at least 1/8th of the price of a top 3, 26 year old player (which it would be Tatum, the Kings pick and something more) then you just wait it out and get Kawhi on the court to remind everyone just how much of a monster Kawhi is.

healthy, I agree. Obviously Lebron is #1 and I think durant is #2 but KL is #3 ...

[r0drig0lac]

No, on the floor, he has great BBIQ, he just a terrible GM. Like Jordan, like Magic... I think it's a a thing for GOAT players - they don't understand how the things that come so easy for them are so difficult for lesser players...

agree

[r0drig0lac]

Look, again, if it takes growth just to beat this CLE team? How much growth to threaten GS? It’s possible and they would be justified in keeping their guys but right now healthy Kawhi is so much better than everyone but Bron, KD & AD/Harden

Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, Davis and Giannis are the only 2-way real superstars in the league, Harden is not close to that level as a basketball player (though he's one of the 30 greatest offensive players in history for sure)

[SpursDynasty85]

:lmao rodney hood, tristan thompson, and george hill potential all stars

who else? larry nance?

also lol "jordan crawford"

when you cant even remember their names, you know they're scrubs

That roster is way better than the Spurs. Spurs would gladly switch that roster. Pops would've won 50+ games even without Lebron and he wouldve beat those young celtics in 5. Lebron gets handed the most expensive roster year after year and then everyone is trash if they dont win. Duncan wouldve owned up to the defeats on his own. Just keeping it real. Lebron is great but dude has major flaws sometimes. Lebron should be judged on how many rings he can win period because the east just sucks. It's a given now.

[Strategic]

I don’t know about Tatum. Watching him and Brown in the playoffs I think Brown has a higher ceiling. He seems to drive the lane with more strength than Tatum. When Irving and Hayward return it’s gonna be crowded at the top there.

[exstatic]

I don’t know about Tatum. Watching him and Brown in the playoffs I think Brown has a higher ceiling. He seems to drive the lane with more strength than Tatum. When Irving and Hayward return it’s gonna be crowded at the top there.

That's what I've been saying. They're paying Horford like $27M, and he's going to get 5 shots per game. There will be too many mouths to feed.

[Killakobe81]

I don’t know about Tatum. Watching him and Brown in the playoffs I think Brown has a higher ceiling. He seems to drive the lane with more strength than Tatum. When Irving and Hayward return it’s gonna be crowded at the top there.


I don’t know about Tatum. Watching him and Brown in the playoffs I think Brown has a higher ceiling. He seems to drive the lane with more strength than Tatum. When Irving and Hayward return it’s gonna be crowded at the top there.

of course they have to many mouths to feed ...no way they can keep that team together for long ...it almost mandates a 3 for 1 type swap.

As for Brown vs Tatum ...
Tatum has the pure stroke and is a good athlete ...
Brown has elite athleticism but his jumper is not pure ...
Doubt Boston parts with both though...so Spurs need to pick one

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kyrie and Hayward for Kawhi. Injured for injured. The only thing stopping the Celtics from crushing the Cavs with this current group is they can’t slow down Lebron. Kawhi takes care of that and puts them over the top. Throw in Pau to make the numbers work.

I can’t see how Ainge passes this deal up. Guaranteed Finals appearances with one simple stroke of the pen.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Maybe a bit much. :lol

But, that said, a healthy Kawhi is a game changer, and so it sucks people speculate on trading him for other team’s scraps and call that a good deal. If I’m the FO I’m working overtime to get this issue figured the fuq out.

[SuperCam]

i leave thread for two days and dumb Spurfan talking about boston having to trade brown+tatum or kyrie and another piece to get Kawheelchair. spurfan never changes:lol

mormon ainge hangs up the phone and tells PATFO good luck paying 40 million+ a year for a cripple

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

i leave thread for two days and dumb Spurfan talking about boston having to trade brown+tatum or kyrie and another piece to get Kawheelchair. spurfan never changes:lol

mormon ainge hangs up the phone and tells PATFO good luck paying 40 million+ a year for a cripple

Too bad you weren’t here to moderate. This thread is all for fun anyway seeing as how Kawhi isn’t going anywhere, so we may as well speculate on the Kawhi for Durant possibility while we’re at it.

[Killakobe81]

Like i said you delusional asses are crazy to think Ainge giving yall Tatum and multipke loterry picks for Leonard ...not sure Ainge makes that trade straight up ...

[Ice009]

Like i said you delusional asses are crazy to think Ainge giving yall Tatum and multipke loterry picks for Leonard ...not sure Ainge makes that trade straight up ...

Why? Kawhi is better than all of Boston's players. Personally, I wouldn't trade Kawhi for any of them in any combination.

I hope the Spurs don't trade him at all.

[r0drig0lac]

Like i said you delusional asses are crazy to think Ainge giving yall Tatum and multipke loterry picks for Leonard ...not sure Ainge makes that trade straight up ...

IF Kawhi is healthy, Ainge would be really stupid not to do it

[Leetonidas]

IF Kawhi is healthy, Ainge would be really stupid not to do it

I disagree. While a healthy Leonard is probably worth it, in today's nba having players at the caliber of brown and Tatum on rookie scale deals in ridiculously invaluable. I thought before the post season that Boston would probably do brown/Tatum +another piece + pick but after their young guns balled out I don't see them being moved.

[duncan2k5]

Why? Kawhi is better than all of Boston's players. Personally, I wouldn't trade Kawhi for any of them in any combination.

I hope the Spurs don't trade him at all.

exactly

[BackHome]

Man Boston suck they can’t even beat the Cavs without Love time to blow it up.

[tmtcsc]

I think people are sincerely forgetting that Boston reached the ECF without Kyrie and Hayward. They don't need to do anything, especially with Lebron possibly leaving Cleveland.

As for yesterday's game 7, I saw a Boston team & coach completely content with getting as far as they did. 39 three point attempts? That was ridiculous.

[exstatic]

I think people are sincerely forgetting that Boston reached the ECF without Kyrie and Hayward. They don't need to do anything, especially with Lebron possibly leaving Cleveland.

As for yesterday's game 7, I saw a Boston team & coach completely content with getting as far as they did. 39 three point attempts? That was ridiculous.
If anyone said this about the Spurs, they’d be called a Pop suckers. Settling for a conference finals ouster? Hideous!

The reality is that while LeBron may leave Cleveland, I doubt he leaves the Leastern conference. When Boston gets Kyrie and Hayward back, they become a worse defensive team, and take shots away from the two youngsters. Neither of those two can average 25 points for a series, and hector LeBron the whole time.

[Chinook]

If Boston lets Philly trade for Leonard/Walker and sign PG, they'll possibly miss out on even more Finals.

[daslicer]

Like i said you delusional asses are crazy to think Ainge giving yall Tatum and multipke loterry picks for Leonard ...not sure Ainge makes that trade straight up ...

Not delusional at all considering Ainge has to be concerned about Lebron owning the Celtics especially this year with a Cav's team filled with scrubs. It's only going to get worse next year when Lebron forms his next super team in the east. As good as Tatum and Brown is it's still no guarantee that either of them will be a superstar. Also they can't put up resistance against Lebron on both ends of the court like Kawhi can. Kawhi when healthy is the only player that can actually cancel out Lebron's impact on the court. Ainge is a great GM but never underestimate the impact losing can have on a great GM when it comes to making the right moves. I remember way back in '99 Jerry West panicking during the regular season because it didn't look like the Lakers could get over the hump that year with their current core and ended up making a stupid trade in giving up Jones-Campbell for Glen Rice. That trade probably cost the Lakers the title that year since the Spurs could not beat the Lakers up until they got rid of Jones-Campbell.

I will tell you this the Spurs will not allow Ainge to low ball them. If they don't get what they want then no deal will happen which I'm fine with.

[DPG21920]

Again, tremendous season and BOS doesn’t have to do anything and they are in a great spot. But if you are banking on this crew winning a title? If you aren’t good enough to beat this CLE team you have so much work to do because they are not really all that special, let alone better than the WCF champs.

[TD 21]

The money doesn't quite work (but leave that to the Celtics to figure it out), but Brown, Kings 1st, 27th pick, Morris (would be rerouted for borderline 1st or decent young player), is probably the best that can be done.

That or Fultz, Covington, 10th pick, 1 of Anderson, Luwawu-Cabarrot or rights to Pasecniks. Again, the money doesn't quite work, but that's on the 76ers to figure out.

Fultz could be offered to Hawks for 3, if Doncic is available. Another option would be packaging 10 and 18 to get to 4-5 and selecting Jackson, Bamba or Carter.

So basically, as far as the centerpiece of a package, Brown, Fultz or Doncic is probably the best that can be hoped for.

[MaNu4Tres]

The money doesn't quite work (but leave that to the Celtics to figure it out), but Brown, Kings 1st, 27th pick, Morris (would be rerouted for borderline 1st or decent young player), is probably the best that can be done.

That or Fultz, Covington, 10th pick, 1 of Anderson, Luwawu-Cabarrot or rights to Pasecniks. Again, the money doesn't quite work, but that's on the 76ers to figure out.

Fultz could be offered to Hawks for 3, if Doncic is available. Another option would be packaging 10 and 18 to get to 4-5 and selecting Jackson, Bamba or Carter.

So basically, as far as the centerpiece of a package, Brown, Fultz or Doncic is probably the best that can be hoped for.

Brown, Kings 1st in 19', 27th and Morris is the deal I want the most.

Turn around and move Morris to a contender for a late 1st/early 2nd in 19' or this year.

[Killakobe81]

Not delusional at all considering Ainge has to be concerned about Lebron owning the Celtics especially this year with a Cav's team filled with scrubs. It's only going to get worse next year when Lebron forms his next super team in the east. As good as Tatum and Brown is it's still no guarantee that either of them will be a superstar. Also they can't put up resistance against Lebron on both ends of the court like Kawhi can. Kawhi when healthy is the only player that can actually cancel out Lebron's impact on the court. Ainge is a great GM but never underestimate the impact losing can have on a great GM when it comes to making the right moves. I remember way back in '99 Jerry West panicking during the regular season because it didn't look like the Lakers could get over the hump that year with their current core and ended up making a stupid trade in giving up Jones-Campbell for Glen Rice. That trade probably cost the Lakers the title that year since the Spurs could not beat the Lakers up until they got rid of Jones-Campbell.

I will tell you this the Spurs will not allow Ainge to low ball them. If they don't get what they want then no deal will happen which I'm fine with.

Im with you now ... but dont blame yall for for insisting on Tatum.
If ainge is willing to part with Tatum and one of the Sacto or Memphis picks its a great start of a trade just not sure ainge will bite.
But Spurs should insist ...

[Killakobe81]

Brown, Kings 1st in 19', 27th and Morris is the deal I want the most.

Turn around and move Morris to a contender for a late 1st/early 2nd in 19' or this year.

No Tatum no deal don't let him lowball you ...

[Killakobe81]

Plus wasnt it reported Spurs already turned down a brown centered deal?
Make them give yall Tatum dont let these reports distract yall fom getting their best young asset.

[TD 21]

Brown, Kings 1st in 19', 27th and Morris is the deal I want the most.

Turn around and move Morris to a contender for a late 1st/early 2nd in 19' or this year.

Same. In a vacuum, I'd prefer Brown to Fultz and Doncic. Maybe not the highest upside, but the right combination of high ceiling and floor. But if they could pull off Doncic and say Bamba, that would be interesting. Of course, that would be difficult to do and the Kings 1st could conceivably turn into a prospect the caliber of Bamba.

Brown is also Spurs material, a Leonard archetype and part of a package that would fit more with a re-load. If they brought back the majority of the team, they could still compete for a playoff spot while having a number of future assets (could conceivably package 18 and 27 to get into late lottery for Knox, Walker, etc.).

I'd rather strip it down, but I doubt they will.

[dbestpro]

Kyrie, Tatum, and Kings first would be hard to turn down.

[CGD]

Danny Ainge ain’t offering that deal anymore. He’ll offer Rozier and Smart and a second at this point.

I’m calling the Kings right now about #2.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Kyrie, Tatum, and Kings first would be hard to turn down.

No way Celtics offer that after the postseason Tatum had.

[Jdspur20]

Kyrie, Tatum, and Kings first would be hard to turn down.

How would we get the kings’ 1st our of this though?

[$pursDynasty]

Kyrie Tatum and Brown for a Kiwi and a Patty would be the best possible deal. I might feel good about that trade.

[Spurs9]

Kyrie Tatum and Brown for a Kiwi and a Patty would be the best possible deal. I might feel good about that trade.

:lol as if thats a deal, people on here laughing at the prospect of celtics giving up tatum and brown, now they are throwing in kyrie too? :lmao

[mo7888]

Basketballinsiders postulated Boston giving up Tatum and brown. That would give Boston a starting 5 of Kyrie, Hayward, Kawhi, Smart and horford to match gs.

[$pursDynasty]

:lol as if thats a deal, people on here laughing at the prospect of celtics giving up tatum and brown, now they are throwing in kyrie too? :lmao
Boston has the feeling that Kyrie wants to bolt so there's that

[YGWHI]

Basketballinsiders postulated Boston giving up Tatum and brown. That would give Boston a starting 5 of Kyrie, Hayward, Kawhi, Smart and horford to match gs.

I'd love to see the Spurs getting both players but can't imagine Ainge being that stupid...

Kyrie and Hayward aren't two-ways players, if Ainge thinks he can beat GSW or a LeBron new superteam with that lineup he should stop smoking that shit.

At least Tatum and Brown are younger and in smaller contracts, why trade both?

[John B]

No deal if Pau is not included.

[spursistan]

looking back this thread :lol