Woj: Kyle Anderson Signs 4-yr/$37.2M Offer Sheet w/ Memphis

[Hoops Czar]

Christmas in July.... This is one, if not the best offseason ever until the Spurs match that qualifying offer at least.

[K...]

Let him walk, IMO he is nowhere near that much money.

you wasted your first post on a comment like this? what kind of fan are you?

[dabom]

Let him walk, IMO he is nowhere near that much money.

Real Spurs fan. Keep it up.:tu

[dbestpro]

Shit. I meant bulls matched.

Face palm.

[Hoops Czar]

He'll always be remembered most for his stat padding in the 2017 playoffs vs GS and det Summer league MVP. Respect Brotha but you in a better place now.

[FkLA]

Fathead is here to stay, dummies.

[SAGirl]

Really happy for him. I think the Spurs should match it, but regardless, glad for him.

[FkLA]

:worthy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzVhLM9WdJ8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wG5rEoLScg

[tholdren]

Really happy for him.
Do not care

[ECOV]

Remember when everyone laughed at me for saying I'd take Boris Diaw over GS David Lee? It's not all about scoring, man. Some players can be special without having to score a bunch. I'm placing my stake on Fathead. He's my new Diaw. He'll rot in Memphis just like Diaw was rotting in Charlotte, but he will thrive here. Have to match, tbh.

Maybe he comes back in is 30s Tbh seems a about right

[99 Problems]

Did Bulls really match that 80m. Why an offer sheet for 80 in first place.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

well done kyle.

if spurs match or dont, well done kyle and his real agent

[Spurtacular]

That's a lot of freakin' money.

Good luck, Kyle.

Is it though? It seems like most rotation players don't sign for under $10 mil per in today's NBA.

[Spurtacular]

Where's the SAGirl suicide watch thread?

[Rocalcio]

you wasted your first post on a comment like this? what kind of fan are you?

:lol

[sasaint]

Maybe he comes back in is 30s Tbh seems a about right

After he loses a step or two? :lol

[SAGirl]

I mean, this is not an offer that took RC by surprise tbh.

Kyle started all season. Someone was going to give him an offer sheet. It only took so long because the RFA market this season was horrendous bc teams don't really have money to spare. RC was just hoping this market worked in his favor and Kyle picked up that QO. Glad for him that he will get paid. :tu

[tholdren]

I mean, this is not an offer that took RC by surprise tbh.

Kyle started all season. Someone was going to give him an offer sheet. It only took so long because the RFA market this season was horrendous bc teams don't really have money to spare. RC was just hoping this market worked in his favor and Kyle picked up that QO. Glad for him that he will get paid. :tu
Dont care

[sasaint]

Really happy for him. I think the Spurs should match it, but regardless, glad for him.

Could these recent moves be a way of clearing the way for Kawhi's possible return?

[K...]

Could these recent moves be a way of clearing the way for Kawhi's possible return?

uh, this is all kyle doing due diligence on his own worth. The only window into kawhi is when they match/don't match. As others have said, without kwahi we have no SF.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This is legit the best news of the offseason

[Xevious]

:danceclub

[cd98]

Where's the SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524) suicide watch thread?

She was right about him given how much money he’s making. I mean, Memphis isn’t above making bad deals, but they like him to offer that kind of money, so maybe she saw the same stuff the Grizzlies see. I doubt the Spurs match but they may have no choice given the market and the importance of that position.

[Spurtacular]

She was right about him given how much money he’s making. I mean, Memphis isn’t above making bad deals, but they like him to offer that kind of money, so maybe she saw the same stuff the Grizzlies see. I doubt the Spurs match but they may have no choice given the market and the importance of that position.

I doubt any poster knows if the Spurs will match or not, tbh. The contract is doable; but it just might depend on what the Spurs short and long term plans are.

[GB20]

After he loses a step or two? :lol
:lol

[BatManu20]

IF the Spurs match Anderson's offer sheet, here's an estimate of what his contract will look like for the next 4 seasons (via bballinsiders):


Year 1: $8.6 million
Year 2: $9 million
Year 3: $9.5 million
Year 4: $9.9 million

[SAGirl]

Could these recent moves be a way of clearing the way for Kawhi's possible return?

PATFO has stayed firm that they want to repair the relationship. I will only believe in a trade when I see it bc they have remained really steadfast in trying to re-sign him. It may come down to them paying Kawhi the supermax and turning over this page. It will be really awkward for a little bit, but just like Lamarcus last season, him balling all season and having a great MVP season will definitely put this behind.

That being said, that is a dream scenario, which I think Spurs are still hoping to achieve. They may end up in other scenarios. This thing with Kawhi isn't over.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm a big fan, but tough to say if the Spurs should match with the uncertainty surrounding a potential Kawhi trade and what they're going to get in return..

He can be a very valuable contributor on a team that fits well around him, but I don't think this is the team, they haven't figured out a way to properly utilize his offense IMO..I also hate the fit with Murray in the SL, as well, along with the Spurs overall need for shooting..

He'll be great for Memphis if the Spurs don't match, though, expecting a breakout season..

[Marcus Bryant]

That's an average player contract for a, well, average player.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm a big fan, but tough to say if the Spurs should match with the uncertainty surrounding a potential Kawhi trade and what they're going to get in return..

He can be a very valuable contributor on a team that fits well around him, but I don't think this is the team, they haven't figured out a way to properly utilize his offense IMO..I also hate the fit with Murray in the SL, as well, along with the Spurs overall need for shooting..

He'll be great for Memphis if the Spurs don't match, though, expecting a breakout season..
You're going to be disappointed.

[SAGirl]

I'm a big fan, but tough to say if the Spurs should match with the uncertainty surrounding a potential Kawhi trade and what they're going to get in return..

He can be a very valuable contributor on a team that fits well around him, but I don't think this is the team, they haven't figured out a way to properly utilize his offense IMO..I also hate the fit with Murray in the SL, as well, along with the Spurs overall need for shooting..

He'll be great for Memphis if the Spurs don't match, though, expecting a breakout season..

I am really happy for him. His impact defensively will do that team well, and I do expect him to help them. The West is a real dogfight, will be tough every night, but I do expect him to be a positive factor in Memphis.

[Dverde]

I'm a big fan, but tough to say if the Spurs should match with the uncertainty surrounding a potential Kawhi trade and what they're going to get in return..

He can be a very valuable contributor on a team that fits well around him, but I don't think this is the team, they haven't figured out a way to properly utilize his offense IMO..I also hate the fit with Murray in the SL, as well, along with the Spurs overall need for shooting..

He'll be great for Memphis if the Spurs don't match, though, expecting a breakout season..

Kyle last year wasn’t that good. Capable NBA player, but he’ll never sniff an All star game

[Mr. Body]

Kyle last year wasn’t that good. Capable NBA player, but he’ll never sniff an All star game

He won't sniff the All-Star game? What stupid standard is that? You need role players, too, brah.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kyle last year wasn’t that good. Capable NBA player, but he’ll never sniff an All star game

He doesn't have to be an All-Star..he's already a top-tier defensive player, he just needs to figure out an offensive niche and/or find the right fit..that may never happen, of course, but it's worth a shot..

You have to consider that a team like Memphis isn't going to attract star free agents, they need to look for potential in the middle of the list instead..

[tholdren]

He doesn't have to be an All-Star..he's already a top-tier defensive player, he just needs to figure out an offensive niche and/or find the right fit..that may never happen, of course, but it's worth a shot..

You have to consider that a team like Memphis isn't going to attract star free agents, they need to look for potential in the middle of the list instead..

Lololololol

[Seventyniner]

I like the news as long as the Spurs match the offer. He is way better than Gay.

[SAGirl]

She was right about him given how much money he’s making. I mean, Memphis isn’t above making bad deals, but they like him to offer that kind of money, so maybe she saw the same stuff the Grizzlies see. I doubt the Spurs match but they may have no choice given the market and the importance of that position.
Besides, unless there is a trade the Spurs really can't replace him otherwise. They are hard capped... They would lose him and just be left with an empty space... It all hinges on what they expect Kiwi will do and how confident they are he will be healthy all season and not need an above replacement level player to take his minutes the next time his quad is sore tbh.

:claw/ouchie I got a booboo.

[Mr. Body]

I like the news as long as the Spurs match the offer. He is way better than Gay.

Gay and Anderson are a good platoon at the position.

[Mr. Body]

Besides, unless there is a trade the Spurs really can't replace him otherwise. They are hard capped... They would lose him and just be left with an empty space... It all hinges on what they expect Kiwi will do and how confident they are he will be healthy all season and not need an above replacement level player to take his minutes the next time his quad is sore tbh.

:claw/ouchie I got a booboo.

I think they still keep Anderson even if Kawhi stays.

[SAGirl]

I like the news as long as the Spurs match the offer. He is way better than Gay.
He is. Great deal.

[tholdren]

Besides, unless there is a trade the Spurs really can't replace him otherwise. They are hard capped... They would lose him and just be left with an empty space... It all hinges on what they expect Kiwi will do and how confident they are he will be healthy all season and not need an above replacement level player to take his minutes the next time his quad is sore tbh.

:claw/ouchie I got a booboo.

Anderson got fake injured like 20 times last year. Hes feminine

[Hoops Czar]

IF the Spurs match Anderson's offer sheet, here's an estimate of what his contract will look like for the next 4 seasons (via bballin (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15248)siders):


Year 1: $8.6 million
Year 2: $9 million
Year 3: $9.5 million
Year 4: $9.9 million

If the Spurs can pay Scrubby Mills 12M/year to do next to nothing, they'll absolutely match Kyle's offer sheet.

[SpursBills]

Let's say he doesn't improve next year. Do you guys think that a 3 year, $28 million contract for a player of his caliber is easily movable without including other assets? If so then makes sense to match.

[MannyIsGod]

The thing that the stats don't capture is how scared Kyle Anderson is on offense. He's the opposite of someone like Horry. And sure, he's going to give you solid numbers and be a servicable player but he's never going to be someone you can count on during crunch time and that's actually something you need out of role players you put around stars. He doesn't need to be Robert Horry, but he needs to not be the opposite of Robert Horry and that isn't ever going to change.

I don't want players who are scared. Good luck in Memphis.

[MannyIsGod]

People comparing this contract to Mills miss exactly how Mills has the most valuable skill in the NBA - shooting. Kyle does not. Thats the bottom line on why Patty got more. Using Pattys contract to justify matching this one is ridiculous. If Kyle could shoot then this would be a bargain. But he can't and he's also shown that he's scared as shit when it comes to open shots so no thanks.

[SpursDynasty85]

The thing that the stats don't capture is how scared Kyle Anderson is on offense. He's the opposite of someone like Horry. And sure, he's going to give you solid numbers and be a servicable player but he's never going to be someone you can count on during crunch time and that's actually something you need out of role players you put around stars. He doesn't need to be Robert Horry, but he needs to not be the opposite of Robert Horry and that isn't ever going to change.

I don't want players who are scared. Good luck in Memphis.

It was his first season getting consistent minutes. Plus he is a natural pg by instinct. Last years injuries made everything a struggle for most except LMA I'm sure. He will get better as he ages since his game is not about athleticism.

[duncan2k5]

Get him tfoh!

[tholdren]

People comparing this contract to Mills miss exactly how Mills has the most valuable skill in the NBA - shooting. Kyle does not. Thats the bottom line on why Patty got more. Using Pattys contract to justify matching this one is ridiculous. If Kyle could shoot then this would be a bargain. But he can't and he's also shown that he's scared as shit when it comes to open shots so no thanks.
Its not the most valuable skill. Its the most entertainment value skill. Kyle anderson makes the correct basketball play more often than not, but that is not valued by the majority of fans. See your previous posts

[MannyIsGod]

It was his first season getting consistent minutes. Plus he is a natural pg by instinct. Last years injuries made everything a struggle for most except LMA I'm sure. He will get better as he ages since his game is not about athleticism.

Right, his game is not about athleticism and he's been playing basketball for over a decade by this point so why is he scared to shoot? That is't something you develop. You are either not scared, or you are, and Kyle is. That's a dealbreaker for me. You don't mature out of that. He's had 4 years with Chip and he's STILL scared AF.

He's not a bad player but that quality is just bad.

[MannyIsGod]

Its not the most valuable skill. Its the most entertainment value skill. Kyle anderson makes the correct basketball play more often than not, but that is not valued by the majority of fans. See your previous posts

Shooting is the most valuable skill in basketball and it's not even close.

[SAGirl]

People comparing this contract to Mills miss exactly how Mills has the most valuable skill in the NBA - shooting. Kyle does not. Thats the bottom line on why Patty got more. Using Pattys contract to justify matching this one is ridiculous. If Kyle could shoot then this would be a bargain. But he can't and he's also shown that he's scared as shit when it comes to open shots so no thanks.

If Kyle could shoot at a high level he would be a Paul George comparable, who is getting a max contract... whether you consider him worth it or not. He's worth this deal IMO.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm a big fan, but tough to say if the Spurs should match with the uncertainty surrounding a potential Kawhi trade and what they're going to get in return..

He can be a very valuable contributor on a team that fits well around him, but I don't think this is the team, they haven't figured out a way to properly utilize his offense IMO..I also hate the fit with Murray in the SL, as well, along with the Spurs overall need for shooting..

He'll be great for Memphis if the Spurs don't match, though, expecting a breakout season..
Don’t be getting her all wet now.

[MannyIsGod]

If Kyle could shoot at a high level he would be a Paul George comparable, who is getting a max contract... whether you consider him worth it or not. He's worth this deal IMO.

If you think all that separates Paul George from Kyle Anderson is shooting, then LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

[MannyIsGod]

If Kyle Anderson could shoot he'd be Kawhi - MemphisGirl

[SAGirl]

If Kyle Anderson could shoot he'd be Kawhi - MemphisGirl
and that's an MVP player... you can't expect to get that for 9 mill a season tbh

[Mugen]

RC is going to match this shit, isn't he? FUCK.

[dabom]

Fathead gets blocked by point guards. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Shooting is the most valuable skill in basketball and it's not even close.
Shooters are a dime a dozen. Would you pay Bryn Forbes 12M/year to shoot?

[Ron Swanson]

Don’t be getting her all wet now.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3730993/flick-the-bean-o.gif

[MannyIsGod]

Shooters are a dime a dozen. Would you pay Bryn Forbes 12M/year to shoot?

Forbes is not a great shooter. Shooters aren't a dime a dozen. That's the point.

[tholdren]

Shooting is the most valuable skill in basketball and it's not even close.
why?

[MannyIsGod]

Bryn Forbs shot .222 from 3 in the playoffs. Gee, wonder why he's not making 12 million per year.

[SnakeBoy]

This is a fair deal. Spurs need to match.

[tholdren]

Forbes is not a great shooter. Shooters aren't a dime a dozen. That's the point.
He was the best 3 shooter on spurs last year.

[Hoops Czar]

Forbes is not a great shooter. Shooters aren't a dime a dozen. That's the point.
No, he's not a great shooter but he shot the ball better than Mills.

[MannyIsGod]

why?

Because truely good 3 point shooters in the NBA aren't very common. Defensive players who can't shoot are far more common than good 3 point shooters. Good defenders who can't shoot don't really see the court because they kill spacing in a league where spacing is the most important thing right now.

Did you guys not watch the same Spurs team that I did last year?

[look_at_g_shred]

He was the best 3 shooter on spurs last year.
That’s not saying much considering the fact that we were horrible at it.

[look_at_g_shred]

No, he's not a great shooter but he shot the ball better than Mills.
..and that’s something to be proud of?

[MannyIsGod]

No, he's not a great shooter but he shot the ball better than Mills.

Early in the season? Sure. In one season. When it came to the playoffs, Forbes suffered from the same thing that Kyle Anderson did. Shriveled nuts.

Maybe Memphis can sign him too. Lets not act like Patty Mills doesn't have a much longer record of being a great shooter while Forbes has a record of mumbling to himself after missing the shots he supposedly is good at.

[SAGirl]

People going nuts that Kyle is not an ALL Star are hilarious tbh

[Mugen]

Kyle is fine if you have a shitton of athleticism and talent around him. The Spurs do not have that luxury once Leonard is gone.

He makes no sense for that many years, please don't fucking match this shit RC.

[playbonner15]

Kyle's gonna get paid more than Boogie :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

and that's an MVP player... you can't expect to get that for 9 mill a season tbh

I never expected that. If Kyle wasn't scared of open shots and could hit some I'd gladly pay him more than 9 million a season to remain a Spur. But he can't, so not only do I not want to pay him more than 9 million, I don't want to pay him 9 million a season.

[MannyIsGod]

People going nuts that Kyle is not an ALL Star are hilarious tbh

No thats how youre trying to spin it. People are just telling you that they don't want Kyle for 9 million per on this team and you're upset. Being a bad scared shooter on a team that desperately needs shooting makes you a gigantic liability.

[SAGirl]

No thats how youre trying to spin it. People are just telling you that they don't want Kyle for 9 million per on this team and you're upset. Being a bad scared shooter on a team that desperately needs shooting makes you a gigantic liability.

It's funny to me people get so ticked off here ... Dude is going to get paid. Glad for him tbh.

[NASpurs]

It's funny to me people get so ticked off here ... Dude is going to get paid. Glad for him tbh.

Hopefully he gets paid on another team. I'm fine with that.

[MannyIsGod]

It's funny to me people get so ticked off here ... Dude is going to get paid. Glad for him tbh.

Who's ticked off? I don't care if the dude gets paid as long as it's not on the Spurs. Good luck to him.

[Hoops Czar]

Early in the season? Sure. In one season. When it came to the playoffs, Forbes suffered from the same thing that Kyle Anderson did. Shriveled nuts.

Maybe Memphis can sign him too. Lets not act like Patty Mills doesn't have a much longer record of being a great shooter while Forbes has a record of mumbling to himself after missing the shots he supposedly is good at.

True, he has a longer track record but his shot hasn't been the same since his shoulder surgery yet, they still dished out 50M to a player with a broken shot.

Defensive Analytics likes Kyle Anderson and the Spurs like defensive analytics. I don't want him back but the Spurs won't see that as a bad contract and could easily match it seeing as how the only other SF on the team wants to get the hell out of here.

[HarlemHeat37]

Anderson is not a spot shooter, he needs to have the ball in his hands as a secondary playmaker if he's ever going to figure out an offensive role at this level..a team like Memphis would give him that opportunity..

Part of that is on him, of course, as his lack of aggressiveness is painful to watch and he often plays too scared(although that seems to be the case for many when they play for the Spurs)..

I don't see him ever unlocking anything with the Spurs, though..it's just a poor fit with this roster, particularly Murray..

[MannyIsGod]

Really SAgirl, you talking about anyone else getting emotional over Kyle "I have no shooting courage" Anderson is hilarious. That's called projection.

[MannyIsGod]

True, he has a longer track record but his shot hasn't been the same since his shoulder surgery yet, they still dished out 50M to a player with a broken shot.

Defensive Analytics likes Kyle Anderson and the Spurs like defensive analytics. I don't want him back but the Spurs won't see that as a bad contract and could easily match it seeing as how the only other SF on the team wants to get the hell out of here.

You're not going against my case that shooting is the most valuable skill in the game. In retrospect, the Mills contract was an overpay. But he only gets that much because he's a shooter. Shooters routinely get overpaid. Players who can't shoot typically make less.

[SpursDynasty85]

In the right system he makes shooters better.

[MannyIsGod]

In the right system he makes shooters better.

What fucking system is that?

[SpursDynasty85]

What fucking system is that?

Ball movement, good spot up shooters.

[Mugen]

Ball movement, good spot up shooters.

Spurs have neither :lol

[ducks]

If Anderson would shot open corner threes and let it fly not on hold on to it
It would be a no brainer to match

[SpursDynasty85]

When a player who is young and first getting playing time he is going to play to show off his strengths which for Anderson was his pg abilities. Just like Diaw he can develop the offensive portion of his game because he can fit in so well with high bball IQ, passing, length, and handles.

[Mugen]

:lol I really hate the Boris comparisons because Boris was a fucking great athlete and a pretty damn good offensive player when he wanted to be.

[paperboy77]

F our supposed super star face of the future: KL! All this shit stems from that fool going Rainman on the greatest franchise ever! Not saying KA is super crucial to SA's success but the guy has developed (less the jumpshot/confidence). It seems like the Spurs "mestique" is all gone and players are going to treat them like just another team.

RC and Pop... and really f'n ownership better step the f up on this issue. Money talks....

[dbestpro]

For a fan, it really comes down to keeping Anderson or having someone fill the slot that's a d-league hero.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lol I really hate the Boris comparisons because Boris was a fucking great athlete and a pretty damn good offensive player when he wanted to be.

Yes he was but I'm comparing him to the Boris when he played for the Spurs. Not that good of an athlete and was very hesitant to shoot still.

[superbigtime]

:lol I really hate the Boris comparisons because Boris was a fucking great athlete and a pretty damn good offensive player when he wanted to be.

Man I do too. Guy is Nothing like Boris.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes he was but I'm comparing him to the Boris when he played for the Spurs. Not that good of an athlete and was very hesitant to shoot still.

They're not very similar players. Kyle is much better defensively, Boris is much better offensively. They both make some similar passes, but Boris was WAY better offensively as a Spur than Kyle has ever been.

[SpursDynasty85]

Man I do too. Guy is Nothing like Boris.

Disagree! The best model he has to be an effective player in the NBA is an old Boris Diaw.

[Mugen]

90% of Kyle's offensive game is hoping his defender is dumb enough to fall for his pump fake...he's hesitant to shoot because he knows it's probably not fucking going in, not because he's such a pass first guy tbh :lol

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

If Kyle could shoot at a high level he would be a Paul George comparable

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[superbigtime]

Disagree! The best model he has to be an effective player in the NBA is an old Boris Diaw.

Old Boris used his butt and girth, Kyle doesn't have those kinds of tools.

[SpursDynasty85]

Old Boris used his butt and girth, Kyle doesn't have those kinds of tools.

Lol. But still he needs to shoot the 3 when open. Take it to the whole using his craftiness inside, and make passing plays from there. Concept and strategy is th same. Obviously not the exact same player.

[Stabula]

Spurs should match, Kyle is worth that contract.

[tbdog]

Spurs must match. This is not a bad contract. Around 9 mil a year. That's around 9% of the cap, and could get down to 7% by the end of his contract. He is solid on D. Can play the 4 and 3. Doesn't need calls for him. If that corner 3 improves, the contract becomes a steal. Its not really a gamble. It's just common sense to match. If the spurs don't match, they thinking for next off season free agencies.

[Hoops Czar]

They're not very similar players. Kyle is much better defensively, Boris is much better offensively. They both make some similar passes, but Boris was WAY better offensively as a Spur than Kyle has ever been.
Who do the Spurs get to replace Kyle?

[ElNono]

Spurs must match. This is not a bad contract. Around 9 mil a year.

https://media.giphy.com/media/PrAMyghZaYjm/giphy.gif

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't see the Diaw comparison outside of just being unselfish Spurs..

I think Anderson definitely needs to be a PF-first to unlock his offensive potential IMO..I can't really think of a comparison for him, don't really think there is on, considering his unique traits(particularly his forehead and slow speed)..

IIRC, when I put his numbers in my database, the most similar statistical comparisons of his past season were Kirilenko and Anthony Mason:lol

[Mr. Body]

I don't see the Diaw comparison outside of just being unselfish Spurs..

I think Anderson definitely needs to be a PF-first to unlock his offensive potential IMO..I can't really think of a comparison for him, don't really think there is on, considering his unique traits(particularly his forehead and slow speed)..

IIRC, when I put his numbers in my database, the most similar statistical comparisons of his past season were Kirilenko and Anthony Mason:lol

He kind of us an AK-47 / Mason hybrid.

[baseline bum]

I don't see the Diaw comparison outside of just being unselfish Spurs..

I think Anderson definitely needs to be a PF-first to unlock his offensive potential IMO..I can't really think of a comparison for him, don't really think there is on, considering his unique traits(particularly his forehead and slow speed)..

IIRC, when I put his numbers in my database, the most similar statistical comparisons of his past season were Kirilenko and Anthony Mason:lol

Were you comparing those numbers to Anthony Mason's past season? They'd make sense then.

[baseline bum]

He kind of us an AK-47 / Mason hybrid.

A hybrid of an old washed up player and a dead guy? Makes sense.

[MaNu4Tres]

Shooting is the most valuable skill in basketball and it's not even close.

Shooting is becoming saturated across every position. Its not as valuable as it once was. Its much easier to find sheer shooting. Versatility on offense, versatility on D are two skills that are more valuable. Also perimeter defense is more valuable imo.

The only reason Mills got that dumbass deal is because Pop & RC, not only overvalued culture and undervalued their own prospects ( DeJounte, Derrick, Forbes), but they also misread the market early in summer of 17'. They used the summer of 16' to gauge Mills' deal -- which was when all the dumb teams set millions on fire w the Mosgov, Deng, Parsons, Delly, Noah, Gasol deald.

Lol 50 million for streaky shooting.

[DPG21920]

I’m fine with matching.

[tbdog]

1) Robert Covington. 10.4, 11.3, 12.1, 12.9 Mil
2) Otto Porter Jr. 26, 27.2, 28.4 Mil
3) Joe Ingles. 12.5, 11.4, 10.3

KYLE ANDERSON avg 9.3 mil

[cd021]

i wouldnt have been opposed to something like 2/18, especially if we're moving leonard. but it doesn't make sense to pay him starter/sixth man money for 4 years

Is $9 million starter/6th man money? If he's capable at either of those two roles then that is dirt cheap when considering the cap is $101 million and is supposed to jump to $109 and $116 million in year 2 and 3 of this deal.

It's more than I expected but not an outlandish deal.

[pad300]

SAS is going to match. Why:

The Belinelli deal makes us hard capped (because of the exception we used). The Spurs have $105 million in salary (including Beli, but not our RFAs) and are ~$20 million below the hard-cap threshold.

We have 2 exceptions left to use: $2.7M (leftover from the room midlevel used to sign Beli) and $3.4 million (biannual). Other than that we can sign Vet Min deals, first round picks, and our RFA's (Bertans, Forbes and Kyle).

The Roster:
LMA, Gasol
Gay, (Kawhi),
Green, (Manu)
Belinelli, White, Walker, Paul
DJ, Mills

10 bodies (if they keep Paul) and 2 maybes. 15 roster spots. We have space to match Kyle and we would be trying to find a replacement for less than $3.5 M annually. It makes too much sense to match...

[TekXX]

Kyle Anderson is not championship ball

[SAGirl]

:worthy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzVhLM9WdJ8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wG5rEoLScg
:bobo

[cjw]

SAS is going to match. Why:

The Belinelli deal makes us hard capped (because of the exception we used). The Spurs have $105 million in salary (including Beli, but not our RFAs) and are ~$20 million below the hard-cap threshold.

We have 2 exceptions left to use: $2.7M (leftover from the room midlevel used to sign Beli) and $3.4 million (biannual). Other than that we can sign Vet Min deals, first round picks, and our RFA's (Bertans, Forbes and Kyle).

The Roster:
LMA, Gasol
Gay, (Kawhi),
Green, (Manu)
Belinelli, White, Walker, Paul
DJ, Mills

10 bodies (if they keep Paul) and 2 maybes. 15 roster spots. We have space to match Kyle and we would be trying to find a replacement for less than $3.5 M annually. It makes too much sense to match...

A good way to look at it. It’s really a 3 year / $28mm deal heading into next offseason, which will be moveable worst case. The only reason not to is if the Spurs plan on making a huge push in FA next year, which would also mean moving Mills and Gasol.

Now if they think they can replace him cheap then do it by all means.

[ElNono]

I’m fine with matching.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/04/leaving.gif

[dabom]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/04/leaving.gif
:lol

[8FOR!3]

One good reason not to match is that last year it killed us having two starters (Murray and Kyle) that flat out could not shoot. Now I don't think Murray is going anywhere at least as of right now, so that leaves Kyle the odd man out. Plus it's not like the other starters were great 3 point shooters (Mills/Green were blah, Aldridge shoots them low volume.) There's a good chance Murray/Mills/Green/Aldridge are in the starting lineup again so I think it's going to continue to kill the offense if we trot out Kyle as well. I think on a good team with shooters Kyle makes the team better and is good at what he does. But with us I'm not sure how he fits.

[therealtruth]

If Kawhi leaves make Kyle the point-forward and see how far you can get.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If Kawhi leaves make Kyle the point-forward and see how far you can get.


not very far because he can't shoot worth a shit.

Spurs would be fools to match. Let him walk and bring over Milutinov and any other Euro small forwards they can.

[TimDunkem]

Kyle Anderson is garbage.

[BackHome]

Anderson is not a starter he is a decent bench player but nothing special if he was not drafted by the Spurs he would probably not be in the NBA tbh. But I wish him the best at this point I am pretty sure Metu or Livio will take his place.

[DMC]

I guess Memphis needs to play even slower?

You've heard of the "seven seconds or less" offense (SSOL)? Grizz are building the "seven points or less" per quarter offense.

[BackHome]

I would rather sign Nikola and Metu or Livio get two players with some upside and fits with Kawhi leaving then Anderson who would be a decent player with Golden State or Houston as he wouldn’t need to shoot

[cjw]

I would rather sign Nikola and Metu or Livio get two players with some upside and fits with Kawhi leaving then Anderson who would be a decent player with Golden State or Houston as he wouldn’t need to shoot

You realize those offenses thrive by having shooters all around the floor, right?

Houston took it to an extreme, with only Capella, Black and Nene (of players with 100+ MP) NOT taking at least 40% of their FGA from deep. And of those guys, almost everyone shot it above 35% from deep besides the ageless Joe Johnson and Bobby Brown.

The Warriors are in a similar boat. Livingston is one of their few non-centers who doesn’t shoot threes but takes plenty of shots from midrange and close. The only other non-big without a high 3pt attempted % was Casspi who got cut.

[BatManu20]

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[ducks]

Jacob Goldstein
Jacob Goldstein JacobEGoldstein
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4h
My model gives Anderson a 99.9% chance of providing equal or greater value on this contract with an expected range (+/- 2 standard deviations) of between $56.9M and $126.2M
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
San Antonio Spurs restricted free agent Kyle Anderson has signed a four-year, $37.2 million offer sheet with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN.

[TimDunkem]

1015405594868498432
Ew. No it isn't.

[objective]

I would rather sign Nikola and Metu or Livio get two players with some upside and fits with Kawhi leaving then Anderson who would be a decent player with Golden State or Houston as he wouldn’t need to shoot

Anderson doesn't impact the signing of the other guys unless you mean a roster spot

He would be matched using Bird Rights. Milutinov can be signed with either the rookie exception or a portion of the MLE. What's left after Marco might not be enough anyway.

Metu or LJC etc can be had for the minimum,

They could theoretically sign all of them all parties willing (including a 2 way for LJC)

[ElNono]

The biggest issue is that if the Spurs hand him that contract, they're going to want to play him a lot, which would be fucking disgusting.

[Chinook]

This is the team's best chance to get back to what helped them get their second wind in 2012-2014: Getting rotation players to sign cheap second contracts. Yes, ideally, Kyle's either a four or a three playing next to a perimeter-oriented four (like Bertans or Ryan Anderson). He's not a great fit on a roster that will feature Gay and potentially Kawhi. He and Bertans playing with LMA and whatever All-Star the Spurs apparently have the ability to acquire may well be very good, though. They can make Kyle work if they make the right moves with him in mind.

[Keepin' it real]

Guys, I'm very emotional about this. Give me a minute. :cry

[venitian navigator]

I'm ok with matching.
After all the deal is fine for his role on the team...and he's gonna make less money than Gay.
The contracts over what player's worth are Mills and Pau ones, but were given fo different reasons (Mills being underpaidn in past contracts and Pau showing trust in the Management when he renunced his guaranteed money for let the Spurs try to acquire a star).
For the people that say Kyle is poor fit with Murray 'cause lack of shooting, i say that Murray is spending the summer triyng to improve his shot (hope in same outcoming of Kiwhi) and that anyhow Kyle is a good fit with Alridge and his under rytmh style of play...he has obvious defensive and passing skills, he knows the system and his teammates love to play with him.
I also like the idea that Memphis has set not only his market value but also the kind of teams that are interested in signing him...so he could be a trade asset not a lot of time from today, considering he's just 24 (will be 28 at the end of his contract, alias in his full prime).

[Raven]

this is a very easy match.

[tbdog]

A good way to look at it. It’s really a 3 year / $28mm deal heading into next offseason, which will be moveable worst case. The only reason not to is if the Spurs plan on making a huge push in FA next year, which would also mean moving Mills and Gasol.

Now if they think they can replace him cheap then do it by all means.

Theres a trade kicker. Still think it's a good contract. Look what Warren got for example.

[playbonner15]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/04/leaving.gif
:rollin

[jermaine]

You have to match simplybcuz losing Kawhi, Parker, an Anderson is to much in one off-season. Say what you want about Anderson but his bbiq is very high. He don't do shit that's eye opening, nor anything sexy, but he does make smart plays. We gotta match!!!

[Mouth is Bleeding]

If it was almost anyone else, yes it makes sense to match, but better players than Kyle can be found very cheap. Including the minimum!

Especially in a market that's about to dry up dramatically.

I just don't like any kind of commitment to a player who is so weak in certain areas that winning basketball in today's environment becomes way too complicated with him on the floor.

Sure the contract could be moved one day, but maybe it won't be and that's a bad thing.

Get rid!

[kobyz]

spurs invest too much developing him, they will match!

[BWS-1994]

Not sure if already discussed, but in case the Spurs lose Kyle Anderson, who in the remaining Free Agent pool could be had realistically?

[objective]

Not sure if already discussed, but in case the Spurs lose Kyle Anderson, who in the remaining Free Agent pool could be had realistically?

Maybe James Ennis?

[blizz]

You have to match simplybcuz losing Kawhi, Parker, an Anderson is to much in one off-season. Say what you want about Anderson but his bbiq is very high. He don't do shit that's eye opening, nor anything sexy, but he does make smart plays. We gotta match!!!
Agreed

[ceperez]

Spurs may have to match. Spurs value 'corporate knowledge'. That's why they signed Mills and kept Manu. That's why they signed Belinelli.

With this roster:

The Roster:
LMA, Gasol
Gay,
Green, Belinelli, White, Walker, Paul
DJ, Mills

Mills was signed because he's the 'glue guy'. You need more 'glue guys' in this team, Anderson is the other one.

Green is a glue guy but he doesn't know what to do in the court.

White has potential to be a leader but he's too young.

Gasol wants to be a leader, but I don't think he relates well with the other players.

LMA, Gay, DJ are more like Tony Parker types, more selfish than leaders.

Kawhi.... it's obvious now to everyone that he can never be a leader. Honestly, Kawhi fits perfect with the way Spurs do things. His family however is the big problem.

I don't think Spurs will make the playoffs with just Mills as the glue guy.

[spurs10]

Losing a lot of players. Rudy Gay?

[LkrFan]

Then again if they don't match it might mean they take some crap like Ingram for Leonard, and I'd much rather match Anderson than take that kind of shit in return.

Anderson better than Ingram? That's hot :wow

[spurspokesman]

Spurs cleaning deck😂😂😂

[TheCultOfPersonality]

So basically the Grizzlies are the most incompetent franchise in the NBA.

They paid $153M to a complimentary player coming off a mediocre season and missing the last 2 months of the season because of injury.
They paid $94M to a injured roleplayer coming off a mediocre season.
They just got through paying 3 years $21M to Brandan Wright, an injury prone lob guy with no skillset. A type of player you can find in the G-League for cheap.
They paid 3 years $15M to Ben McLemore who was never good and may not even be a rotation player on this shitty roster next season. Serious what does McLemore actually do?
Now they're trying to pay $37M to a guy who can't score or shoot and isn't even an elite defender.

I swear that the Grizzlies are so dumb that if they had enough capspace they would gladly play Marcus Smart the $16M a year that he's asking for.

[LittleCriminal]

https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/celebrate.gif
I was going to wait 48 hours but
Words cant describe how I'm feeling about Shit Pile Kyle right now..
Please extrapolate the ineffable meaning from my approximations in gif form...


Thank You Memphis Grizzlies...
You stupid Mutha Fukkas.

[Rocalcio]

90% of Kyle's offensive game is hoping his defender is dumb enough to fall for his pump fake...he's hesitant to shoot because he knows it's probably not fucking going in, not because he's such a pass first guy tbh :lol

So that’s why he shoots over 50%...

[LittleCriminal]

"If Kyle could shoot at a high level he would be a Paul George comparable" - SaGirl

"and that's an MVP player... you can't expect to get that for 9 mill a season tbh" - SaGirl

LOL!!!!!

please take note of how player fandom, mental retardation and crack rock, impact simple minded people.

[baseline bum]

Anderson better than Ingram? That's hot :wow

You really are like a Trumptard twisting shit people say. :lol

[FutureMan]

Question for all the cap people on here.

Can it it be a sign and trade for JaMychal Green?

[mudyez]

I think they should match, but it feels like they would have agreed with Kyle on this contract (minus probably the trade kicker) beforehand.

[vander]

I hope the Spurs match, I think Kyle will keep getting (slightly) better. and Spurs need to maintain at least a little corporate knowledge intact, what with TP/Manu/Green/Leonard/Gasol/hopefully Mills all leaving this summer or next

[duncan2150]

I will let him go, he's not a bad all around player but i Don't see him as 10m/year player. If we pay him that contract that means he could be a kind of sixth man for us, i'm not sure about that.

For the SF spot we have Gay and Leonard ( or another guy via trade).

[SAGirl]

SAS is going to match. Why:

The Belinelli deal makes us hard capped (because of the exception we used). The Spurs have $105 million in salary (including Beli, but not our RFAs) and are ~$20 million below the hard-cap threshold.

We have 2 exceptions left to use: $2.7M (leftover from the room midlevel used to sign Beli) and $3.4 million (biannual). Other than that we can sign Vet Min deals, first round picks, and our RFA's (Bertans, Forbes and Kyle).

The Roster:
LMA, Gasol
Gay, (Kawhi),
Green, (Manu)
Belinelli, White, Walker, Paul
DJ, Mills

10 bodies (if they keep Paul) and 2 maybes. 15 roster spots. We have space to match Kyle and we would be trying to find a replacement for less than $3.5 M annually. It makes too much sense to match...
It is a good deal for him too.

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[Drewlius]

What cap space would we have left to go after a replacement SF in the event we decline to match? If it is as little as I think it is, this basically forces our hand to match with bird rights. Unless you are in the camp of going full tank/rebuild mode, as I don’t think there is anyone on the market that will replace Kyle with the space we have left to work with(Besides Kawhi obviously).

[duncan2150]

What cap space would we have left to go after a replacement SF in the event we decline to match? If it is as little as I think it is, this basically forces our hand to match with bird rights. Unless you are in the camp of going full tank/rebuild mode, as I don’t think there is anyone on the market that will replace Kyle with the space we have left to work with(Besides Kawhi obviously).

the problem actually is that we have kawhi, for example if we have kawhi or ingram via trade i don't see the idea of matching Kyle because we'll have a SF starter and a better SF/PF with Gay.

Offcourse we don't have the money for a good SF with only 2.5 million approximatively of the MLE and 3.4 of th bi annual exception.

[Marcus Bryant]

The last year is partially guaranteed. Anyways, the MLE for 3-4 years for Anderson is not a bad contract. The cap is now >$100 mil, so of course role players are being extended larger amounts.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If they learned anything from the Mills deal they'll let Kyle go. Don't overpay a bench guy who can't shoot.

[vander]

the problem actually is that we have kawhi, for example if we have kawhi or ingram via trade i don't see the idea of matching Kyle because we'll have a SF starter and a SF/PF better than him with Gay.

Offcourse we don't have the money for a good SF with only 2.5 million approximatively of the MLE and 3.4 of th bi annual exception.

Kyle can play the 4, Gay can play the 4, Kawhi will be injured or on minutes restriction

[duncan2150]

Kyle can play the 4, Gay can play the 4, Kawhi will be injured or on minutes restriction

Aldridge will play the 4 also

if we have a SF starter and gay i Don't think we need kyle except if he's you're starter…..

[Das Texan]

Good for Kyle to get that deal.

His agent doing his job here!

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, Rudy better be ready for 48 a night if the Spurs don't match.

[raybies]

In the SAEN paper today it said the Spurs are unlikely to match

[duncan2150]

Well, Rudy better be ready for 48 a night if the Spurs don't match.

we'll have a SF if kawhi walks… i Don't think the situation is bad.

[Marcus Bryant]

This contract really isn't worth getting worked up about if the Spurs match.

[LittleCriminal]

This contract really isn't worth getting worked up about if the Spurs match.
It's not the contract. Its the shit player.

[Mr. Body]

Anderson better than Ingram? That's hot :wow

He's way better on defense, that's for sure.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Good for Kyle to get that deal.

His agent doing his job here!

His agent went up against Chris Wallace. That's like picking on a blind 2 year old with an amputated leg.

[mo7888]

It is a good deal for him too.

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If that model is correct it makes matching an easy call. Even with the trade kicker he'd have positive value if we need to move him next summer to clear room.

[LkrFan]

You really are like a Trumptard twisting shit people say. :lol

:lmao

[LkrFan]

He's way better on defense, that's for sure.

:lol

[picnroll]

Spurstalk knuckleheads like dumbom and the Philipino midget need something to bitch about so Anderson has to be resigned. After all that moron dumbom doesn’t have Parker anymore and even he’s not stupid enough to keep trashing White.

[SAGirl]

In the SAEN paper today it said the Spurs are unlikely to match
Thanks for the news. It wouldn't surprise if they didn't. This offer is not that big and it wouldn't have taken them by surprise.

[SAGirl]

Spurstalk knuckleheads like dumbom and the Philipino midget need something to bitch about so Anderson has to be resigned. After all that moron dumbom doesn’t have Parker anymore and even he’s not stupid enough to keep trashing White.
Nah... I am looking forward to people bitching about someone else.

[ECOV]

"If Kyle could shoot at a high level he would be a Paul George comparable" - SaGirl

"and that's an MVP player... you can't expect to get that for 9 mill a season tbh" - SaGirl

LOL!!!!!

please take note of how player fandom, mental retardation and crack rock, impact simple minded people.

Your the definition of single minded

[Biggems]

I am a fan of Kyle. I really like all the little things he does. I do get frustrated with his scoring though. He should be more efficient and effective at this point in his career. I want him to be a Spur, but not at that price. I hope we don't match, but it stings that he goes to a division foe.

[tholdren]

Your the definition of single minded

Simple....

[pad300]

Anderson better than Ingram? That's hot :wow

Well,

https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3157&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2017

https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3157&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2016

[dabom]

Spurstalk knuckleheads like dumbom and the Philipino midget need something to bitch about so Anderson has to be resigned. After all that moron dumbom doesn’t have Parker anymore and even he’s not stupid enough to keep trashing White.

Trust me dude. I'm fine. :lol

[Capt Bringdown]

Fully expect that the offer will be matched.
He's not particularly good at anything, therefore he's a perfect fit.

[Mugen]

Fully expect that the offer will be matched.
He's not particularly good at anything, therefore he's a perfect fit.

:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Well,

https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3157&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2017

https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3157&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2016

:tu If Anderson had the attributes that fans wanted him to have, which they feel makes this offer sheet excessive, he'd be a max player.

[Mugen]

Everybody's complaints including mine about Fathead are all gonna be moot anyways tbh. Of course Drunkford is gonna match this.

I'd be surprised if he didn't throw an additional 14-16mil at this slow fuck.

[Marcus Bryant]

There's always room for 6'9" to 6'10" tall players with handles who defend in today's NBA. Anderson does a little bit of everything. He's a good role player and this is a role player contract in 2018. If the Spurs opt not to match I think that's a good indicator that they are moving quickly into rebuilding (the other so far is letting TP walk as opposed to keeping him around for a couple years for small $ as Murray's backup) in life after Leonard.

[Vic Petro]

I’m pretty indifferent to this. I’d lean towards not matching and maintaining as much financial flexibility into next offseason as possible. Spurs may need to take on a bad contract to get a good pick and shot at a new superstar.

This is a solid role player contract, but you can always buy solid role players on the market. Figure out who your franchise cornerstones are going to be first, then spend to fill role players in around them.

But not a bad decision to match either, if they go that way. Kyle has value. As a bonus he’s from my old neighborhood in Jersey so I’ll always be a fan.

[Marcus Bryant]

’m pretty indifferent to this. I’d lean towards not matching and maintaining as much financial flexibility into next offseason as possible. Spurs may need to take on a bad contract to get a good pick and shot at a new superstar.

This is a solid role player contract, but you can always buy solid role players on the market. Figure out who your franchise cornerstones are going to be first, then spend to fill role players in around them.

But not a bad decision to match either, if they go that way. Kyle has value. As a bonus he’s from my old neighborhood in Jersey so I’ll always be a fan.

:lol That's the word that came to mind for me too.

[eDizzle20]

He gone.

[LittleCriminal]

Your the definition of single minded

OK.. Lol
??

[Mugen]

Might have missed it early in the thread but express news says they're unlikely to match. Would be great news tbh

[8FOR!3]

I'd rather go cheap here for cap flexibility, if the team were a contender right now I'd say yeah it's a good contract

[NickiRasgo]

Isn't Hollinger still in the Memphis? That's why they offered him I think.

[tholdren]

Well,

https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3157&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2017

https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3157&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2016

Nice. Volume shooters win when it comes to todays nba. Score 20 on 17 shots you an allstar

[PennSpur]

https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1015415795042672640

[Dverde]

They are going to match. Kyle is a known quantity. Contract isn’t as crazy high when I first saw it. I wish they would let him walk, but they won’t.

[ElNono]

Realistically, there's no scenario where it makes sense to match, tbh... he's just about above D-League talent, needs the ball a lot to be involved, and his ceiling is bench player at best.

Unless something magical happens in a Kawhi trade, the Spurs are unlikely to be competitive this season, there's no sense in committing long term $10m a year on this kind of talent.

He made sense on a rookie deal, as a project, to learn his ceiling. Better use that roster spot on a new project, or bringing in somebody from Europe on a cheaper/shorter deal.

[FkLA]

Might have missed it early in the thread but express news says they're unlikely to match. Would be great news tbh

:pctoss

[Dverde]

The front office who signed fathead is very telling. They also thought Parsons would be good again. #1 12:01 target

[Joseph Kony]

I don't buy the SAEN report. Spurs are going to match. it's not a bad price all things considered (just the 4 years and trade kicker suck ass) but in a year of a lot of turnaround with no other SF on the roster except Rudy, I think SA - always one to value 'corporate knowledge' - will match the offer. i'd be really surprised if they didnt

[21209]

Please don't match

[BatManu20]

BUT LOOK YOU GAHZ

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[Mugen]

I don't buy the SAEN report. Spurs are going to match. it's not a bad price all things considered (just the 4 years and trade kicker suck ass) but in a year of a lot of turnaround with no other SF on the roster except Rudy, I think SA - always one to value 'corporate knowledge' - will match the offer. i'd be really surprised if they didnt

That's why i'd be pleasantly surprised if they didn't match. Time to move on from the corporate knowledge crap and start the rebuild. Not matching on Tony was great, doing the same with Fathead would be amazing and hopefully signify RC/Pop turning a new leaf tbh

[Joseph Kony]

That's why i'd be pleasantly surprised if they didn't match. Time to move on from the corporate knowledge crap and start the rebuild. Not matching on Tony was great, doing the same with Fathead would be amazing and hopefully signify RC/Pop turning a new leaf tbh

Spurs aren't going to rebuild....they're going to try to trade Leonard for the highest return and remain a playoff team until Pop retires. kinda sucks but the reality is we will likely be treadmill team as long as spurs hang out to LMA and Pop is here

[DPG21920]

Didn’t read the thread and don’t know if it has been discussed, but I don’t know that Kyle wants to stay with SA. His dad several times on social media has lamented his son playing in SA and alluded to him maybe “needing” to go elsewhere.

[jjktkk]

There's always room for 6'9" to 6'10" tall players with handles who defend in today's NBA. Anderson does a little bit of everything. He's a good role player and this is a role player contract in 2018. If the Spurs opt not to match I think that's a good indicator that they are moving quickly into rebuilding (the other so far is letting TP walk as opposed to keeping him around for a couple years for small $ as Murray's backup) in life after Leonard.
:tu

[duncan2150]

That's why i'd be pleasantly surprised if they didn't match. Time to move on from the corporate knowledge crap and start the rebuild. Not matching on Tony was great, doing the same with Fathead would be amazing and hopefully signify RC/Pop turning a new leaf tbh

it's not about rebuild, it's more about Kyle ceilling, could he be the 5th 6th best player in a good team ? imo it's not evident.

[ElNono]

Didn’t read the thread and don’t know if it has been discussed, but I don’t know that Kyle wants to stay with SA. His dad several times on social media has lamented his son playing in SA and alluded to him maybe “needing” to go elsewhere.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned him needed the ball a lot. His family at least thinks he needs a larger role and maybe somewhere else.

[r0drig0lac]

He kind of us an AK-47 / Mason hybrid.
haha

[Hoops Czar]

Didn’t read the thread and don’t know if it has been discussed, but I don’t know that Kyle wants to stay with SA. His dad several times on social media has lamented his son playing in SA and alluded to him maybe “needing” to go elsewhere.
A tactful way of saying, My son doesn't want to be here. The PATFO seems to have lost complete control of the team.

[DPG21920]

Another feather in the cap of SA drafting. They keep drafting and developing guys that stick.

[DPG21920]

A tactful way of saying, My son doesn't want to be here. The PATFO seems to have lost complete control of the team.

That is incorrect. Rudy stayed. Beli came back. LMA signed extension. Danny came back. Murray is happy. Lonnie is thrilled. This is business and sometimes people want more.

[Joseph Kony]

I dont see what the big deal about Kyle's dad making those comments. Not like he is Lavar ball or anything. Of course any father is going to think their NBA playing kid could be better if he had a bigger role

[DPG21920]

I dont see what the big deal about Kyle's dad making those comments. Not like he is Lavar ball or anything. Of course any father is going to think their NBA playing kid could be better if he had a bigger role

It’s not a big deal; just pointing out that Kyle may not want to be with the Spurs. Who knows. Could just be dad spouting off, but it may also be how Kyle feels as well.

[Joseph Kony]

you could be right. if spurs dont match his offer i am certain it will be because he asked them not to and they are honoring his request.

[Hoops Czar]

That is incorrect. Rudy stayed. Beli came back. LMA signed extension. Danny came back. Murray is happy. Lonnie is thrilled. This is business and sometimes people want more.
Lonnie didn't look too thrilled on draft day and LMA wanted to be traded a year ago. Danny would probably leave if he could find a suitor willing to pay him, and DJ most likely won't be here beyond free agency. Tough to guage happiness. You can put on a smiling face but that doesn't mean the player is happy. Kawhi Leonard is walking proof of that.

[SpursDynasty85]

That is incorrect. Rudy stayed. Beli came back. LMA signed extension. Danny came back. Murray is happy. Lonnie is thrilled. This is business and sometimes people want more.

Lol you should see the tweets saying Spurs are breaking down because TP is gone. Lol. Most of the Spurs fans wanted him to retire last year. KA wanting to go elsewhere is fine. Him and his family aren't sabotaging anything. Business as usual for an NBA franchise trying to win games not feed players egos.

[pad300]

People may or may not laugh at this. His CARMELO value prediction:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/kyle-anderson/

[DPG21920]

Lonnie didn't look too thrilled on draft day and LMA wanted to be traded a year ago. Danny would probably leave if he could find a suitor willing to pay him, and DJ most likely won't be here beyond free agency. Tough to guage happiness. You can put on a smiling face but that doesn't mean the player is happy. Kawhi Leonard is walking proof of that.

Ok

[SpursDynasty85]

Lonnie didn't look too thrilled on draft day and LMA wanted to be traded a year ago. Danny would probably leave if he could find a suitor willing to pay him, and DJ most likely won't be here beyond free agency. Tough to guage happiness. You can put on a smiling face but that doesn't mean the player is happy. Kawhi Leonard is walking proof of that.

Yea. Young athletic guys usually hope they can kill the league their rookie year on a bad team. He dropped and went to the most patient and thorough organization. He knew he was not going to make a splash for 2 or 3 years. If he puts in work he will get his pay day at the end of the contract anyway.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs aren't going to rebuild....they're going to try to trade Leonard for the highest return and remain a playoff team until Pop retires. kinda sucks but the reality is we will likely be treadmill team as long as spurs hang out to LMA and Pop is here

I feel you're the only one on this thread who knows what they're talking about. Not matching Anderson would be a mistake.

[Mr. Body]

it's not about rebuild, it's more about Kyle ceilling, could he be the 5th 6th best player in a good team ? imo it's not evident.

He's already a starter on a good team.

[spurraider21]

Didn’t read the thread and don’t know if it has been discussed, but I don’t know that Kyle wants to stay with SA. His dad several times on social media has lamented his son playing in SA and alluded to him maybe “needing” to go elsewhere.
Is Memphis an improvement

[Kurik]

Lonnie didn't look too thrilled on draft day and LMA wanted to be traded a year ago. Danny would probably leave if he could find a suitor willing to pay him, and DJ most likely won't be here beyond free agency. Tough to guage happiness. You can put on a smiling face but that doesn't mean the player is happy. Kawhi Leonard is walking proof of that.

I remember Lonnie crying when he got drafted, I guess he just didn’t like the Spurs that much.

[Mr. Body]

People may or may not laugh at this. His CARMELO value prediction:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/kyle-anderson/

538 had a long article about how Brazil was going to easily win the World Cup before playing Belgium...

[DPG21920]

Is Memphis an improvement

I think they probably sold him on a decent role with the ball in his hands (like Parsons)

[Mr. Body]

Lonnie didn't look too thrilled on draft day and LMA wanted to be traded a year ago. Danny would probably leave if he could find a suitor willing to pay him, and DJ most likely won't be here beyond free agency. Tough to guage happiness. You can put on a smiling face but that doesn't mean the player is happy. Kawhi Leonard is walking proof of that.

This is one of those stupid zombie ideas. I never saw that reaction on draft night.

[Hoops Czar]

I remember Lonnie crying when he got drafted, I guess he just didn’t like the Spurs that much.

He was probably crying because now he can afford to feed his family.

[Marcus Bryant]

People may or may not laugh at this. His CARMELO value prediction:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/kyle-anderson/

:tu He's a generalist role player as opposed to a specialist. A guy like him makes sense if you are a playoff team. Right now that's the question for the 2018-19 season, are the Spurs thinking rebuild or not?

[HarlemHeat37]

Memphis would give him an opportunity to significantly raise his usage, Conley and Gasol play a lot more off the ball than Aldridge/Murray, they just lost Tyreke Evans and his huge offensive load..they don't have any other notable players..

Would be a nice, low-pressure opportunity on a lottery team..

[duncan2150]

He's already a starter on a good team.

And you’re fine with him starting last year ? You think we could a top 3-4 team in the West with him starting ? I like him but i’m not sure about the level he will reach.

[DPG21920]

:tu He's a generalist role player as opposed to a specialist. A guy like him makes sense if you are a playoff team. Right now that's the question for the 2018-19 season, are the Spurs thinking rebuild or not?

You don’t sign Beli and bring back Rudy if you are thinking rebuild.

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A tactful way of saying, My son doesn't want to be here. The PATFO seems to have lost complete control of the team.

Lol. Go to his Twitter page. He reps the spurs proudly.

I'm sure his dad's motivations in saying "larger role" had to do with securing his son a larger contract.

I have zerodoubts that if the Spurs match he'll happily continue being a part of the organization.

It's people like you that make fandom maddening. First , you don't know shit. Second, you're quick to criticize. Third, you're slow in giving credit.

Tl;dr--get bent.

[Hoops Czar]

People may or may not laugh at this. His CARMELO value prediction:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/kyle-anderson/

So he peaked at age 25?

[MannyIsGod]

Kyle Anderson is the perfect example of why people who look at nothing but analytics will never get the whole story. What analytic shows the amount of fear that was clearly evident on Anderson's face everyone he had an open shot off a rotation in the playoffs?

[spurraider21]

You don’t sign Beli and bring back Rudy if you are thinking rebuild.
1 and 2 year deals retain flexibility. With Gasol contract and green opting in we weren’t going to be players in free agency.

[DPG21920]

Memphis would give him an opportunity to significantly raise his usage, Conley and Gasol play a lot more off the ball than Aldridge/Murray, they just lost Tyreke Evans and his huge offensive load..they don't have any other notable players..

Would be a nice, low-pressure opportunity on a lottery team..

Exactly. They brought in Parsons to be a point forward. They want creation from that spot. Parsons was injured they brought in Tyreke to help fill the playmaking void but Marc/JJJ/Kyle would be a very solid defensive unit and they can have offensive tools.

[DPG21920]

1 and 2 year deals retain flexibility. With Gasol contract and green opting in we weren’t going to be players in free agency.

They could have easily traded Green and Gasol if they wanted cap space. 2 year deals aren’t flexibility. Beli being on a 2 year deal shows they wanted a player.

[Marcus Bryant]

You don’t sign Beli and bring back Rudy if you are thinking rebuild.

That was in place before free agency opened up. As the situation with Leonard went from bad to worse, perhaps the plan has changed...

[Hoops Czar]

Lol. Go to his Twitter page. He reps the spurs proudly.

I'm sure his dad's motivations in saying "larger role" had to do with securing his son a larger contract.

I have zerodoubts that if the Spurs match he'll happily continue being a part of the organization.

It's people like you that make fandom maddening. First , you don't know shit. Second, you're quick to criticize. Third, you're slow in giving credit.

Tl;dr--get bent.

He average almost 27 minutes per game. Don't blame the Spurs organization because Kyle was afraid to shoot. The Spurs gave him every opportunity for a larger role and he didn't want it bad enough.

[Darius Bieber]

No way the Spurs match. Memphis' contract is fully guaranteed AND includes a 15% trade kicker - making his contract pretty much impossible to move if we want roster flexibility. Let him walk.

[DPG21920]

That was in place before free agency opened up. As the situation with Leonard went from bad to worse, perhaps the plan has changed...

I don’t think anything with Leonard was not expected..Beli is not good enough to honor some agreement if you needed to pivot IMO

[ElNono]

You don’t sign Beli and bring back Rudy if you are thinking rebuild.

They're both on short deals though. This Kyle's deal would put him past LMA's contract, IIRC.

EDIT: spurraider beat me to it

[Mr. Body]

And you’re fine with him starting last year ? You think we could a top 3-4 team in the West with him starting ? I like him but i’m not sure about the level he will reach.

We were a top of the bracket team up until the moment they learned Kawhi want coming back. The team lost concentration and a lot of games after that.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don’t think anything with Leonard was not expected..Beli is not good enough to honor some agreement if you needed to pivot IMO

No, it changed from Pop and Kawhi will talk things out after the season to the trade demand, intent of only signing with the Lakers next offseason, and the continued holdout nonsense.

[BackHome]

Kyle is a good kid and his is making millions of dollars doing something he loves no need to be upset if he moved to Memphis. But the fact remains he was never starting material and add to that fact is that he was scarred to shoot the ball and never developed a 3 ball shot which he desperately needed makes him replaceable.

The Kawhi saga has probably made RC and Pop totally rethink what the direction they are going to take going forward but in today's NBA you need shooters and this is not Kyles game.

[Capt Bringdown]

He's a terrible playoff performer. Time to send this soft, mentally weak coward packing. All the best, loser!

[spurraider21]

They could have easily traded Green and Gasol if they wanted cap space. 2 year deals aren’t flexibility. Beli being on a 2 year deal shows they wanted a player.
2 year deals are flexibility. It’s still short term and after a year he’s an expiring contract and a known commodity

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He average almost 27 minutes per game. Don't blame the Spurs organization because Kyle was afraid to shoot. The Spurs gave him every opportunity for a larger role and he didn't want it bad enough.

Lol, nice try. Case in point... **You** just criticized PATFO over this. Now in the turn of 1 post you flipped to criticizing KA?

Pick one, schizo.

[Hoops Czar]

Lol, nice try. Case in point... **You** just criticized PATFO over this. Now in the turn of 1 post you flipped to criticizing KA?

Pick one, schizo.

Your reading comprehension is the problem here. I was responding to your reply. What does that tell you? Don't act like he wanted to leave for a larger role. He was given every opportunity for a larger role and he didn't want it bad enough.

[gambit1990]

2 year deals aren’t flexibility.
:lol

do you know how many years are in 2 years?