Woj: Kyle Anderson Signs 4-yr/$37.2M Offer Sheet w/ Memphis

[TimDunkem]

Kyle Anderson is the perfect example of why people who look at nothing but analytics will never get the whole story. What analytic shows the amount of fear that was clearly evident on Anderson's face everyone he had an open shot off a rotation in the playoffs?

Thank you! It's the same thing with Forbes. Who wants a player who looks like he is about to cry with every mistake or missed shot? Especially one who isn't that great to begin with?

I have seen KA pass the ball at the very end of the shot clock for a bail out many times, but that Jazz game last year sealed it for me. No desire to shoot, no exploitation of his ability to pass, or shoot over the defense. Went nowhere with his supposedly "good handle". Ugh.

No I don't expect MJ level decision making or clutchness from a bench guy like KA, but I expect a player to have the balls to shoot a potential game winner after he wasted a possession dribbling out the clock. Don't most NBA guys say players LIVE for those moments? Not KA, I suppose. He just doesn't have "it"

And, by "it", I mean a pair between his legs.

[offset formation]

Your reading comprehension is the problem here. I was answering your response. What does that tell you? Don't act like he wanted to leave for a larger role. He was given every opportunity for a larger role and he didn't want it bad enough.

So you didn't just say this?

Re: Kyle wanting out...."The PATFO seems to have lost complete control of the team."

Then this:
Don't blame the Spurs organization because Kyle was afraid to shoot. The Spurs gave him every opportunity for a larger role and he didn't want it bad enough.

Like I said, pick an argument and stick with it. General bitching gets old. And you have a doctorate in that department.

[gambit1990]

kyle can and will improve.

he would've looked better on the court if he wasn't on it with tony and gasol.

i'm okay with not matching. at the very least the spurs will be quicker defensively sans tony and kyle :tu

[objective]

kyle can and will improve.

he would've looked better on the court if he wasn't on it with tony and gasol.

i'm okay with not matching. at the very least the spurs will be quicker defensively sans tony and kyle :tu

I'm reluctantly ok with matching, but I don't think he improves. He's a high iq player who knows he's supposed to shoot but still refuses.

That's a mental block that isn't breaking. If he was a dumb guy that'd be different. Then you could hope the light will come on. But with Kyle, he's keeping the light off.

[dbestpro]

I'm reluctantly ok with matching, but I don't think he improves. He's a high iq player who knows he's supposed to shoot but still refuses.

That's a mental block that isn't breaking. If he was a dumb guy that'd be different. Then you could hope the light will come on. But with Kyle, he's keeping the light off.

Too many players in the NBA today need a shrink.

[Hoops Czar]

So you didn't just say this?

Re: Kyle wanting out...."The PATFO seems to have lost complete control of the team."

Then this:
Don't blame the Spurs organization because Kyle was afraid to shoot. The Spurs gave him every opportunity for a larger role and he didn't want it bad enough.

Like I said, pick an argument and stick with it. General bitching gets old. And you have a doctorate in that department.

So you didn't just say this....


I'm sure his dad's motivations in saying "larger role" had to do with securing his son a larger contract.

Like I said, I was responding to your reply and by responding, you should have known that was in disagreement with you. I don't believe you when you say his dad wanted him to leave for a larger role. He almost doubled his minutes per game from last year yet his overall production (offensive) remained poor. He was given ample opportunities to increase his usage and he didn't take advantage of his opportunities. I don't blame KA's failure to thrive on the PATFO.

Both star players wanted to be traded from the Spurs within a year's time. David West was unhappy, Dedmon was unhappy, Simmons was unhappy and David Lee chose retirement over playing for the Spurs. Tim Duncan was the glue that singlehandedly held this organization together, not culture and not the PATFO.

[Mugen]

Man, a complete rebuild and a youth movement would absolutely be amazing if that's what the front office decided...

Not matching fathead would seem to signify that....

I'd give a ton of credit to RC/Pop if that's the route they want to take.....

[Mugen]

Gay's contract was an asset, good trading chip to have at the deadline if they wanted to make a move and probably also to keep some fans in the seats if they decided to blow it up....

Beli also a fan favorite on a short contract.....

Both contracts still make a ton of sense if your plan was to tear it down...

[Vic Petro]

Philosophically I don’t think the Spurs ever “tank” as in “try to lose.” But I expect them to fill the roster with upside youngs and “culture” vets to arrive at a team that realistically will probably lose more than it wins. And if the team wins more than expected, it likely means some of those youngs accelerated their development, which is a good thing.

With the Leonard fiasco I think the elephant in the room is what happens with Aldridge. Imo not the sort of player you build around at this stage of his career.

[ceperez]

Kyle Anderson is the perfect example of why people who look at nothing but analytics will never get the whole story. What analytic shows the amount of fear that was clearly evident on Anderson's face everyone he had an open shot off a rotation in the playoffs?

True.

But can he overcome this fear and become a winner?

[Mugen]

Aldridge for Josh Jackson and a future first would be awesome as well....

[gambit1990]

I'm reluctantly ok with matching, but I don't think he improves. He's a high iq player who knows he's supposed to shoot but still refuses.
true. i have to think his shooting will improve. and then he should be more comfortable taking those shots.

[bic50]

He's a terrible playoff performer. Time to send this soft, mentally weak coward packing. All the best, loser!
It would be funny if he plays better on the payoffs on another team. But that depends on if Memphis will even make the playoffs

[timvp]

Matching is a tough call. In this tight free agent market (especially so for restricted free agents), I was hoping the Spurs could get away with paying KA about half that amount of guaranteed money. As it is, you can make a case either way. And it really depends on a handful of variables, some of which may be unanswerable as it stands.

-Is Murray viewed as the long-term answer at point guard who will get his MPG bumped up to ~30 this coming season? If so, Kyle isn't a good fit next to him. In today's NBA, it's difficult to get away with multiple hesitant shooters on the court at the same time, particularly hesitant shooters with slow releases.

-Do the Spurs see White leapfrogging Murray as the future point guard? If so, I actually really like Kyle next to White. Kyle at his best needs the ball in his hands and White appears to have the ability to seamlessly move off the ball when it's needed.

-Is the situation with Uncle Dennis's nephew salvageable? If so, that'd make it easier to not match Kyle's offersheet. If not and nephew's situation is going to drag into the season, you need Kyle as an above average player who can soak up minutes, especially since the signings of Belinelli and Gay tell me the Spurs don't view this as a rebuilding year.

-If nephew is going to be traded, do the Spurs foresee ultimately getting a package involving Brandon Ingram in return? If so, I view Kyle as a really bad fit next to Ingram. Their strengths and weaknesses don't align well at all. On the other hand, if the Spurs see themselves getting a Covington and Saric package, Kyle fits pretty well with those two players.

I'm confident Pop and RC can make the right decision based on how they see the next year or two unfolding. From our vantage point, this decision will give us a hint on what's to come.

[pad300]

Matching is a tough call. In this tight free agent market (especially so for restricted free agents), I was hoping the Spurs could get away with paying KA about half that amount of guaranteed money. As it is, you can make a case either way. And it really depends on a handful of variables, some of which may be unanswerable as it stands.

-Is Murray viewed as the long-term answer at point guard who will get his MPG bumped up to ~30 this coming season? If so, Kyle isn't a good fit next to him. In today's NBA, it's difficult to get away with multiple hesitant shooters on the court at the same time, particularly hesitant shooters with slow releases.

-Do the Spurs see White leapfrogging Murray as the future point guard? If so, I actually really like Kyle next to White. Kyle at his best needs the ball in his hands and White appears to have the ability to seamlessly move off the ball when it's needed.

-Is the situation with Uncle Dennis's nephew salvageable? If so, that'd make it easier to not match Kyle's offersheet. If not and nephew's situation is going to drag into the season, you need Kyle as an above average player who can soak up minutes, especially since the signings of Belinelli and Gay tell me the Spurs don't view this as a rebuilding year.

-If nephew is going to be traded, do the Spurs foresee ultimately getting a package involving Brandon Ingram in return? If so, I view Kyle as a really bad fit next to Ingram. Their strengths and weaknesses don't align well at all. On the other hand, if the Spurs see themselves getting a Covington and Saric package, Kyle fits pretty well with those two players.

I'm confident Pop and RC can make the right decision based on how they see the next year or two unfolding. From our vantage point, this decision will give us a hint on what's to come.

I'm not really as concerned as you about these. The key statement to my mind is Kyle Anderson on the proposed contract (trade Kicker and all) tradeable for more than cap-space. IMO, the answer is yes, so picking him up, given our hard-capped situation (and only limited exceptions and other RFAs) makes a lot of sense to me. If we need to trade his contract next summer, unless he gets a major injury, we would be able to do so for a pick and cap space...

[TD 21]

you could be right. if spurs dont match his offer i am certain it will be because he asked them not to and they are honoring his request.

I'm thinking this too. This would be foolish though. They need to stop kowtowing to players, especially middling ones.

If they don't want to pay him the full MLE or have a sense of how the Leonard situation will end and the roster will take shape and don't like his fit, fine. But if they don't match out of some misguided sense of doing right by the player, that's not fine. He's not a great asset, but he is an asset and you don't throw those in the garbage for a reason like that.

They also need to get this idea out of their heads that all their supposed goodwill matters. For various reasons, more and more we're finding out players aren't as thrilled with being here as they once were or the front office thought. This wouldn't score them points that would pay off in a meaningful way going forward.

[stu scotts eye]

Matching is a tough call. In this tight free agent market (especially so for restricted free agents), I was hoping the Spurs could get away with paying KA about half that amount of guaranteed money. As it is, you can make a case either way. And it really depends on a handful of variables, some of which may be unanswerable as it stands.

-Is Murray viewed as the long-term answer at point guard who will get his MPG bumped up to ~30 this coming season? If so, Kyle isn't a good fit next to him. In today's NBA, it's difficult to get away with multiple hesitant shooters on the court at the same time, particularly hesitant shooters with slow releases.

-Do the Spurs see White leapfrogging Murray as the future point guard? If so, I actually really like Kyle next to White. Kyle at his best needs the ball in his hands and White appears to have the ability to seamlessly move off the ball when it's needed.

-Is the situation with Uncle Dennis's nephew salvageable? If so, that'd make it easier to not match Kyle's offersheet. If not and nephew's situation is going to drag into the season, you need Kyle as an above average player who can soak up minutes, especially since the signings of Belinelli and Gay tell me the Spurs don't view this as a rebuilding year.

-If nephew is going to be traded, do the Spurs foresee ultimately getting a package involving Brandon Ingram in return? If so, I view Kyle as a really bad fit next to Ingram. Their strengths and weaknesses don't align well at all. On the other hand, if the Spurs see themselves getting a Covington and Saric package, Kyle fits pretty well with those two players.

I'm confident Pop and RC can make the right decision based on how they see the next year or two unfolding. From our vantage point, this decision will give us a hint on what's to come.

Definitely several angles they PATFO must be looking at this. I would like to believe Derrick White is the real deal, or that Dejounte comes in as a transformed shooter.

But this decision definitely sheds light on the direction of our team, I'm anxious for the conclusion.

[SpursDynasty85]

Agree. That Spurs would probably acquiesce if KA felt strong to play elsewhere. I imagine they bring Blossomgame up if they dont match.

[Killakobe81]

I'm not really as concerned as you about these. The key statement to my mind is Kyle Anderson on the proposed contract (trade Kicker and all) tradeable for more than cap-space. IMO, the answer is yes, so picking him up, given our hard-capped situation (and only limited exceptions and other RFAs) makes a lot of sense to me. If we need to trade his contract next summer, unless he gets a major injury, we would be able to do so for a pick and cap space...

Ugh him with a trade kicker with 3 more years after this one is not a valuable trade asset tbh. But hey NBA GMs are dumb so you never know.

[Killakobe81]

Realistically, there's no scenario where it makes sense to match, tbh... he's just about above D-League talent, needs the ball a lot to be involved, and his ceiling is bench player at best.

Unless something magical happens in a Kawhi trade, the Spurs are unlikely to be competitive this season, there's no sense in committing long term $10m a year on this kind of talent.

He made sense on a rookie deal, as a project, to learn his ceiling. Better use that roster spot on a new project, or bringing in somebody from Europe on a cheaper/shorter deal.

SPURS will be competitive because they are the Spurs. Aldridge Murray Gay Gasol and Pop etc. Will make sure of that with or without Kyle...
They won't be contenders but they won't be lottery bound either...

[superbigtime]

Lol. But still he needs to shoot the 3 when open. Take it to the whole using his craftiness inside, and make passing plays from there. Concept and strategy is th same. Obviously not the exact same player.

I think Kyle will get better. Just not as talented as Boris.

[sasaint]

SPURS will be competitive because they are the Spurs. Aldridge Murray Gay Gasol and Pop etc. Will make sure of that with or without Kyle...
They won't be contenders but they won't be lottery bound either...

You call that an also-ran - NBA purgatory for a small market losing its caché and soon to lose its HOF coach.

[Killakobe81]

You call that an also-ran - NBA purgatory for a small market losing its caché and soon to lose its HOF coach.

Not saying it's ideal but Spurs will be competitive. Be nice because of the trash/hate thrown Lakers way to see yall in the lottery but barring injury I don't see that happening.

[Chomag]

Would have rather kept him instead of Green because I believe he has more upside but oh well.

[sasaint]

Not saying it's ideal but Spurs will be competitive. Be nice because of the trash/hate thrown Lakers way to see yall in the lottery but barring injury I don't see that happening.

Me neither. It is not in Pop's DNA to tank, which is what it would take - aside from an injury to LMA.

[DAF86]

So, I did some thinking while reading through the thread debating whether or not Spurs should match, and I came to the conclusion that they shouldn't for two basic reasons:

-Bad fit with Murray: suppossedly, Murray is the PG of the future for the Spurs. Do you really want to commit 40 mils for the next 4 seasons to a guy that doesn't fit your future PG?

-The Spurs are getting at least a SF in a potential Kawhi trade: Whether it is Ingram and Kuzma, Covington and Saric or Tobías Harris, the Spurs are definitely getting forwards, so this apparently huge void they have at that position isn't really there.

I actually like Kyle, but it doesn't make sense to match, imho.

[james evans]

Me neither. It is not in Pop's DNA to tank, which is what it would take - aside from an injury to LMA.
trade leonard for picks. Trade alridge for picks. Tank. Get 3 lotter picks next year and the possibility of at least one of them being #1 is high. Get Zion Williamson, the pieces to go around him and we're champions again in 5 years. Or, we can just keep making the playoffs and getting put out of the 1st round to keep Popovich's streak aliive

[FkLA]

Diminishing KA's value because he's a hesitant shooter is dumb af. What about Boris? I know they're not the same type of player but he had that same hesitant mentality (despite being a much better shooter than Fathead) and he was still a valuable cog. I don't think him developing a decent corner 3 and a decent midrange game is out of the realms of possibility either. I actually kind of expect it to happen.

Another thing, why are people being so short sighted with "roster fit"? He's 24 and his offer sheet is for 4 years. The roster was constructed with the assumption that there is a Top 3 player at SF. Obviously if Kawhitter gets his way that will no longer be the case and PATFO will build the roster to better fit the new core. The only reasonable argument I've heard for not matching is the fact that the Spurs would get a SF or two in exchange for Kawhitter, but KA can easily play the 4 in today's NBA.

Murray
Green
SF from Kawhi trade
Fathead
Aldridge

Gay, Manu, Mills, White, Gasol, player from Kawhi trade

That's a Top 5 team in Year 1 post-Kawhitter with room for improvement in following years, tbh.

[dabom]

Boris could be the sixth man scoring ability off the bench and could get his own one on one buckets in the post and had a wide variety of passing ability from said post. He could actually score by himself and was a great passer. And he could still shoot a fucking 3 when he needed too. Nothing like Boris bruh. :lol

[dabom]

"Boris with the croissant" :lol

[ducks]

Well something should leak soon what spurs will do

[FkLA]

Boris could be the sixth man scoring ability off the bench and could get his own one on one buckets in the post and had a wide variety of passing ability from said post. He could actually score by himself and was a great passer. And he could still shoot a fucking 3 when he needed too. Nothing like Boris bruh. :lol

I said they aren't the same kind of player. I was talking about their passive mentality.

[dabom]

I said they aren't the same kind of player. I was talking about their passive mentality.

But If Boris has all that, he can't possibly be passive. Only thing passive was when he stopped shooting 3s at the end of his career and was wearing down and injured for the playoffs. Not mentally. More physically. And then he got dropped or traded. I can't remember.

[AFBlue]

So when is the clock officially up? When should we expect to hear something?

[BackHome]

You take one part and ignore all the others parts that Boris was superior to Anderson? Stop comparing him to Boris he is nothing like Boris that is like comparing Metu to David Robinson.

He is a decent player but he has no upside and I agree people who show they are scarred to shot the ball do not all of a sudden become shooters. It just doesn't happen let him go wish him well and move on and don't tell me we can't get a better player then Anderson that is like saying we can't find a better player then Forbes..lol

[FkLA]

But If Boris has all that, he can't possibly be passive. Only thing passive was when he stopped shooting 3s at the end of his career and was wearing down and injured for the playoffs. Not mentally. More physically. And then he got dropped or traded. I can't remember.

Bro, Boris was notorious for being a passive shooter. He was very engaged otherwise and brought a lot to the team (which you listed), but the same can be said for Kyle (in other areas).

[dabom]

Bro, Boris was notorious for being a passive shooter. He was very engaged otherwise and brought a lot to the team (which you listed), but the same can be said for Kyle (in other areas).

You haven't mentioned anything dude. Just repeated your last post. They are nothing alike and I still call out the same comparisons since fathead originally got drafted.

[FkLA]

You take one part and ignore all the others parts that Boris was superior to Anderson? Stop comparing him to Boris he is nothing like Boris that is like comparing Metu to David Robinson.

He is a decent player but he has no upside and I agree people who show they are scarred to shot the ball do not all of a sudden become shooters. It just doesn't happen let him go wish him well and move on and don't tell me we can't get a better player then Anderson that is like saying we can't find a better player then Forbes..lol

What part of they're not the same type of player do y'all not understand? No shit I'm comparing what they do have in common.

What exactly would be the point of comparing Boris' postgame to KA's? Or KA's ability to run a pnr to Boris'? Just so I can use it as proof that one is so much better than the other? The overall point was that you don't have to be a scorer or a shooter without a conscience to make an impact.

[Ron Swanson]

So when is the clock officially up? When should we expect to hear something?

Tomorrow evening.

[dabom]

KA cannot run PnR dude. :lol

In fact Boris got better PnR game than fathead. :lol

[dabom]

Boris can WORK THE POST and PASS and SPOT UP.

Fathead can dribble in the PNR for 8 seconds and brick over a short guy, pass to someone with 2 seconds on the shot clock, brick an open 3, not do shit in the PNR cause no one respects his range. :lol

[FkLA]

KA cannot run PnR dude. :lol

In fact Boris got better PnR game than fathead. :lol

Wrong.

[AFBlue]

Tomorrow evening.

Thanks

[dabom]

Wrong.

Fathead has a trash PnR game and that's playing when he is expected to play vs scrubs or has a "matchup advantage" :lol

I never got that feeling from Boris.

[ElNono]

SPURS will be competitive because they are the Spurs. Aldridge Murray Gay Gasol and Pop etc. Will make sure of that with or without Kyle...
They won't be contenders but they won't be lottery bound either...

But that's the worst place to be in this league, tbh... being middle of the pack with a known ceiling... we'll see what the nephew trade brings home.

[cd98]

I get why some folks don't like Anderson, but he does some things that are invaluable to the Spurs. He can guard all 5 positions. That's highly valuable on any basketball team. He's non-aggressive, except when he gets switched on a smaller player. So if a team is switching and he gets a mismatch, he can readily post up and score on smaller players. He is also a legit ball handler that can get the Spurs in their offense. When you have young guards and a shorty in Patty Mills, having that extra ball handler can be very valuable. He's also an unselfish passer (maybe too unselfish sometimes).

If he was a good three point shooter, matching him would be a no-brainer and really make the Kawhi mess go away. As much is Kawhi is better than Anderson, way better, if Anderson could shoot (especially from 3 point range), then he could be 65% of Kawhi, which is enough to trade him for assets and forget that he was ever a Spur. But he's more like 30% of Kawhi, which is probably not enough to pay the money they have to pay to keep him.

[dabom]

I get why some folks don't like Anderson, but he does some things that are invaluable to the Spurs. He can guard all 5 positions. That's highly valuable on any basketball team. He's non-aggressive, except when he gets switched on a smaller player. So if a team is switching and he gets a mismatch, he can readily post up and score on smaller players. He is also a legit ball handler that can get the Spurs in their offense. When you have young guards and a shorty in Patty Mills, having that extra ball handler can be very valuable. He's also an unselfish passer (maybe too unselfish sometimes).

If he was a good three point shooter, matching him would be a no-brainer and really make the Kawhi mess go away. As much is Kawhi is better than Anderson, way better, if Anderson could shoot (especially from 3 point range), then he could be 65% of Kawhi, which is enough to trade him for assets and forget that he was ever a Spur. But he's more like 30% of Kawhi, which is probably not enough to pay the money they have to pay to keep him.
:lmao :lmao

[FkLA]

Fathead has a trash PnR game and that's playing when he is expected to play vs scrubs or has a "matchup advantage" :lol

I never got that feeling from Boris.

I'm not going to trash Boris to prop up Fathead. Everybody knows Boris was my dude.

The thing is even with Boris, ST acknowledged his talent but he never really got his due until after the two Finals trips. Fathead will have to be a key part of a good playoff run to convert those of you that aren't smart enough to see impact unless it hits you straight in the face. Hopefully he's able to in SA.

[dabom]

I should have stopped reading after the first sentence but then he said guard all five positions. :lmao

Never ever seen him shut down anyone.

[dabom]

I'm not going to trash Boris to prop up Fathead. Everybody knows Boris was my dude.

The thing is even with Boris, ST acknowledged his talent but he never really got his due until after the two Finals trips. Fathead will have to come up big in the playoffs to convert those of you that aren't smart enough to see impact unless it hits you straight in the face. Hopefully he's able to in SA.

Spurs aren't gonna match that offer. Hopefully he can do what he wants in the grizz team.

[Stabula]

Spurs will match

[Spurs da champs]

Spurs better let him go, he's decent on defense but mediocre in every other facet.

[tholdren]

Spurs better let him go, he's decent on defense but mediocre in every other facet.

Cue the kyle anderson draft thread where st thought he was magic johnson reincarnate

[BatManu20]

But that's the worst place to be in this league, tbh... being middle of the pack with a known ceiling... we'll see what the nephew trade brings home.

Yup. NBA purgatory.

[BatManu20]

Spurs still undecided it sounds like.

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[Holden_Caulfield]

As much as I want kyle to stay. It'd be nice to get another wing with potential ala kawhi. I don't think Kyle will get any much better tbh.

[sasaint]

Well something should leak soon what spurs will do

Sit tight. I don't expect any resolution until the 16th at the earliest.

[tholdren]

As much as I want kyle to stay. It'd be nice to get another wing with potential ala kawhi. I don't think Kyle will get any much better tbh.

I am intrigued by your sig

[tbdog]

He is a good defender, not decent. He will only improve because his game relies on zero athleticism.

[CP48107]

10 millions per year is a lot of money. But Spurs/Pop has put in a lot of effort developing him over the years, and he turned out to be a good rotation player. It hurts me to think that Memphis will now get to enjoy the benefit of Spurs' effort/work.

[Ron Swanson]

Sit tight. I don't expect any resolution until the 16th at the earliest.

We have to match the Grizzlies offer by tomorrow night or he's gone.

[sasaint]

We have to match the Grizzlies offer by tomorrow night or he's gone.

My bad. I thought the comment I replied to was about Kawhi. I am pretty indifferent to Kyle, so I couldn't imagine a fan getti antsy and urging PATFO to hurry up and get something done with him. :lol

[BackHome]

We are going to miss ya bro.

[Spurtacular]

Has the 48 hours passed yet? I was gonna do an online clock for this, but I didn't know when the deal was signed exactly.

[Spurtacular]

He is a good defender, not decent. He will only improve because his game relies on zero athleticism.

Interesting take. I guess the counter is he made dumb plays and was not a good shooter. He was a good defender though.

[Ron Swanson]

Has the 48 hours passed yet? I was gonna do an online clock for this, but I didn't know when the deal was signed exactly.

No. Tomorrow evening.

[objective]

Let Kyle go and sign Yuta with the BAE, it's for the best

[BatManu20]

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[slick'81]

Bye fat head

[SAGirl]

Did any of you see reports Memphis sold him on a role? https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Anderson-signs-offer-sheet-with-Grizzlies-13055678.php
Jabari and Tom Osborn report the Spurs are unlikely to match bc he was promised a role to his liking. Think Spurs wouldn't match unless he wanted them to, to begin with...

[NickiRasgo]

Good for him, he's getting paid considering he's a 30th pick. He'll probably won't get this money if he wasn't drafted by the Spurs. Really loved him to be drafted by the Spurs and was really happy when they were able to draft. Not to mention that KA wanted (there's a video on it) to be drafted or played to the Spurs prior on NBA Draft.

[tbhtbhtbhtbhtbh]

Let Kyle go and sign Yuta with the BAE, it's for the best

What did the mods finally let me post? Holy shit! Been lurking for years. Let Fathead go. He was like -24 last year and lost 3 important games for us in the final 3 minutes just before playoffs. Whoever thinks KA has a High BBIQ is wrong. Very wrong and dosen't watch the games! Blam.

edit: even Sean ****** say that high bbiq crap. Still never saw it.

[dabom]

Did any of you see reports Memphis sold him on a role? https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Anderson-signs-offer-sheet-with-Grizzlies-13055678.php
Jabari and Tom Osborn report the Spurs are unlikely to match bc he was promised a role to his liking.

They sold him on the most money you dumb person. :lol

[tbhtbhtbhtbhtbh]

Already high fived my bro over this news, which MADE MY DAY. I would hate to take that high five back. Slo Mo No Mo please god please.

[SAGirl]

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Welcome to the Grizzz....

I think he's really happy about his role in a new team... Probably looking at housing arrangements etc. He's not coming back. I am glad for him tho.

[tbhtbhtbhtbhtbh]

PATFO played him a ton this year imo to see if he was worth keeping his job and he underperformed. He didn't pass the eyeball test. Yes he had some positive moments but also has as many neg moments.

[FkLA]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo

[FireMicoHalili]

Want JaMychal Green back from the Grizz

[sasaint]

Under most circumstances Kyle would not be greatly missed as a player. But somebody posted a comment about whether it would be better to match or let him walk, and it appeared that the team will be hard pressed to sign any decent replacement under the Spurs' "hard cap" status. Perhaps The Spurs plans to resolve the Kawhi-sis will be the principal factor in the decision on Kyle. If PATFO lets Kyle walk, it could be an indication that the post Kawhi roster is becoming clear enough for PATFO to let Kyle walk.

[FkLA]

:pctoss

[tbhtbhtbhtbhtbh]

FkLA ever check the plus minus after games? Come on now.

[SAGirl]

PATFO played him a ton this year imo to see if he was worth keeping his job and he underperformed. He didn't pass the eyeball test. Yes he had some positive moments but also has as many neg moments.
The eyeball test on biased fan is the definitive test. :lol

[FkLA]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/baf547c80df778768f6c5f611262c0e4/tumblr_oc053hhTAi1vy229wo8_400.gif

[marinoman]

We can’t have 2 non shooters on the floor

[Mugen]

Aside from the losing your franchise player part, this offseason has been great so far tbh :lol

[SAGirl]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/baf547c80df778768f6c5f611262c0e4/tumblr_oc053hhTAi1vy229wo8_400.gif
I hear you.
:bobo .To the good ones.

[FkLA]

https://media.giphy.com/media/bshzgdwhNhEPu/giphy.gifhttps://thumbs.gfycat.com/BreakableSerpentineGrouper-size_restricted.gif

[sasaint]

Aside from the losing your franchise player part, this offseason has been great so far tbh :lol

Seems ironic actually - on the eve of Kawhi's departure PATFO making a couple of decisions that might result in moving the franchise in a direction that would have benefitted Kawhi, himself.

[Hoops Czar]

I hear you.
:bobo .To the good ones.

Who's biased now?

[picnroll]

Way it stands now, and not that Anderson was going to be the difference, but I’m not seeing how in the world the Spurs are making the playoffs this year. Pop’s good but he’s not that good.

[Mugen]

Seems ironic actually - on the eve of Kawhi's departure PATFO making a couple of decisions that might result in moving the franchise in a direction that would have benefitted Kawhi, himself.

If they really are moving on from both TP and fathead then it's a great call regardless of what happens with Leonard tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Thank god for Memphis! Hopefully they're in need of a 31yr old shooting guard next summer!

[sasaint]

If they really are moving on from both TP and fathead then it's a great call regardless of what happens with Leonard tbh

True, just sayin'...

[SAGirl]

If they really are moving on from both TP and fathead then it's a great call regardless of what happens with Leonard tbh
Kyle was 2nd in winshares in the team last season tbh.

But it doesn't matter. Team can sign Bryn Forbes now!

[Spurs9]

They probably already have his replacement lined up with the Kawhi trade.

[SAGirl]

They probably already have his replacement lined up with the Kawhi trade.
You better have a replacement lined up for Kahwi in that trade instead.

[Mugen]

Kyle was 2nd in winshares in the team last season tbh.

But it doesn't matter. Team can sign Bryn Forbes now!

That loser can follow Fathead out the door as well tbh

[FkLA]

Kyle was 2nd in winshares in the team last season tbh.

But it doesn't matter. Team can sign Bryn Forbes now!

I've never seen more ass backwards fans in my life.

Celebrate the signing of a net negative player because he does the big balls dance and isn't scared!
Celebrate the departure of a net positive+++ player because he's slow and isn't a scorer!

[BackHome]

So the three best players on the team right know are:

1. LMA
2. Manu
3.White

[tbhtbhtbhtbhtbh]

Thanks fellas these Fathead homers got blinders on or dont watch games.

[baseline bum]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/baf547c80df778768f6c5f611262c0e4/tumblr_oc053hhTAi1vy229wo8_400.gif

Don't fucking jump, are you retarded? You can jump when they give Kawhi away for peanuts.

[LittleCriminal]

https://media.giphy.com/media/NZSrHs3OESu52/giphy.gif

[CP48107]

So the three best players on the team right know are:

1. LMA
2. Manu
3.White

This is probably true. Sad.

[duncan2k5]

Good riddance

[Hoops Czar]

So the three best players on the team right know are:

1. LMA
2. Manu
3.White

Right now...

1.) Kawhi
2.) LMA
3.) Gay

The list hasn't changed. I'm not sure what the losses of Tony Parker and Kyle Anderson have to do with anything.

[ElNono]

1015759168890982400


1015757654512324611

:danceclub :danceclub :danceclub

Mugen jeebus get in here...

[playbonner15]

Want JaMychal Green back from the Grizz
Sad that the team let him go in the first place

[bdictjames]

Let's all make sure SAGirl is okay.

Kyle is a very likeable person, his game's pretty good, I just don't think it fits what the Spurs want to do. Hopefully he can be more serviceable in Memphis.

[SAGirl]

Thanks fellas these Fathead homers got blinders on or dont watch games.
I watched most games last season... Some haters only watch highlights tbh. There's all kinds.

[dabom]

I watched most games last season... Some haters only watch highlights tbh. There's all kinds.

Guess Pop and RC watching highlights too. :lmao

[loveforthegame]

Nice kid but good riddance.

[NASpurs]

http://66.media.tumblr.com/392acfa2620afe89e9a372d4cac4163e/tumblr_inline_nnsd2imKQH1sqf2ij_500.gif

[Dverde]

I watched most games last season... Some haters only watch highlights tbh. There's all kinds.

I remember yell fuckin fathead a lot last year.

[SAGirl]

Let's all make sure SAGirl is okay.

Kyle is a very likeable person, his game's pretty good, I just don't think it fits what the Spurs want to do. Hopefully he can be more serviceable in Memphis.
:bobo
It's probably going to hit me when they actually don't match. Although I don't think that they will, denial is a tricky thing.

It's like some fans that are still hoping Kiwi isn't going to be traded. You know it's happening but the mind is in denial. This is kinda like that. Objectively I am actually glad for him and I wish him the best tbh. I think Memphis actually plans to play him since they don't have good perimeter players. He might develop more as a player in a more stable team too. It's much better than to be kept in the freezer and only playing when Kiwis leg gets gangrene again.

[SAGirl]

Don't fucking jump, are you retarded? You can jump when they give Kawhi away for peanuts.
Have seen tweets that the reason for not matching Kyle is that Kiwi is going to be gone anyways with the team getting Covington, and maybe Saric. It would take care of the Spurs lack of forwards and bigs.

[bdictjames]

:bobo
It's probably going to hit me when they actually don't match. Although I don't think that they will, denial is a tricky thing.

It's like some fans that are still hoping Kiwi isn't going to be traded. You know it's happening but the mind is in denial. This is kinda like that. Objectively I am actually glad for him and I wish him the best tbh. I think Memphis actually plans to play him since they don't have good perimeter players. He might develop more as a player in a more stable team too. It's much better than to be kept in the freezer and only playing when Kiwis leg gets gangrene again.
It would be more interesting what would happen if the Spurs kept Kyle, tbh, and yours and this forum's reaction :lol

[bdictjames]

Also, Kyle might benefit from a less stricter coaching style. I feel he maybe was limited under Pop. He could be allowed more freedom in Memphis. Could be a bad thing, but could be a good thing as well. Look at Dedmon and Baynes, for example, turned out they had facets in their game that the Spurs really didn't explore much on the court, as it wasn't the right fit for the system at that time.

[Emperor]

Perhaps in a more relaxed environment i can see Kyle average around 12/6/5 throughout the rest of his career.

[DJR210]

I liked his defense, and thought it was gonna keep getting better.. Other than that, he's replaceable af. Good luck in Memphis.

[SAGirl]

Also, Kyle might benefit from a less stricter coaching style. I feel he maybe was limited under Pop. He could be allowed more freedom in Memphis. Could be a bad thing, but could be a good thing as well. Look at Dedmon and Baynes, for example, turned out they had facets in their game that the Spurs really didn't explore much on the court, as it wasn't the right fit for the system at that time.
True. I think it's a good choice to him and wish him the best as I said.

[MannyIsGod]

It really does seem as though the Spurs are planning on getting something for Kawhi that acts as a Slomo replacement too because as much as I don't want them to, I think they would match otherwise.

[cd021]

Really surprised that PATFO isn't going to match tbh. Tony, Kyle, Manu-probably, Kawhi-whenever that happens,

this offseason is already has a ton of turnover

[ace3g]

It really does seem as though the Spurs are planning on getting something for Kawhi that acts as a Slomo replacement too because as much as I don't want them to, I think they would match otherwise.

If they do trade Kawhi, hopefully they are getting a surplus of SFs in return - making Slomo expendable and giving him more playing time somewhere else.

[BatManu20]

It’s not over til it’s over. Spurs could still panic and match last second.

And this board would melt down :lol

[Big Empty]

I like KA. Good kid and nice player. 9m is alot for him though. Happy he’s getn that big payday

[KDKSpurs24]

It’s not over til it’s over. Spurs could still panic and match last second.

And this board would melt down :lol

[venitian navigator]

The main reason not to match is if they already see a better or at least comparable alternative already available...the most I see summer league games, the more I'm comparing Metu with Kyle...considering the main role for Kyle was as a Boris replacement.
Metu looks very good on switching, I like his legs...very mobile on offense and defense. Jumps as much or more than Kyle and has quite the same height. Imho more than a legit big, considering he has not a big wingspan, but how fast his movements are and the fact that he already looks having a jump shot, he's more a three/four...that's Kyle role.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kyle did lots of little things well, he just didn’t do the big things very well. He was kind of the opposite of Jonathon Simmons...not showy, but willing and capable of doing the little things to help a team be better. I don’t think he’ll ever be the big play guy, or capable of taking over a game, but he’ll set the pick to break someone free, knock a ball loose, or always be in the right place defensively.

My guess is that the Spurs saw his ceiling may be limited, and with an entire roster of limited role players right now they probably want to get new blood in, and hopefully discover and groom the next difference maker.

Had he been part of the ‘14 run maybe he’d of gotten the Mills treatment...who knows. I think he’ll carve out a long NBA career.

[Coach X]

It's a tough decision for the club.

They have invested 3 seasons in Kyle and he has turned into a good professional, solid rotation player. Well adapted to the system, able of playing good minutes in his role vs elite teams. And the contract offered is not bad per se.
On the other hand, PATFO is in the middle of a key offseason and flexibility is really needed. On the court, Anderson is a very particular player, offensively he's not an easy fit. On the books, the 4-year deal and trade kicker would limit short-term and mid-term movements.

Like any other this summer, this decision is another subplot in Leonard's soap opera. It's hard to assess single operations until the roster is completed and the club reveals the plan for the season.

[buujness]

Anderson is a divisive player here, but you're not going to get a decent or better player when you're over the cap and have $3 million to spend. The only reason that I can see the Spurs not matching is that they're resigned to having to take on a bad contract to get the players/picks they want for Kawhi (ie, Deng to go with Ingram and Kuzma).

[r0drig0lac]

Diminishing KA's value because he's a hesitant shooter is dumb af. What about Boris? I know they're not the same type of player but he had that same hesitant mentality (despite being a much better shooter than Fathead) and he was still a valuable cog. I don't think him developing a decent corner 3 and a decent midrange game is out of the realms of possibility either. I actually kind of expect it to happen.

Another thing, why are people being so short sighted with "roster fit"? He's 24 and his offer sheet is for 4 years. The roster was constructed with the assumption that there is a Top 3 player at SF. Obviously if Kawhitter gets his way that will no longer be the case and PATFO will build the roster to better fit the new core. The only reasonable argument I've heard for not matching is the fact that the Spurs would get a SF or two in exchange for Kawhitter, but KA can easily play the 4 in today's NBA.

Murray
Green
SF from Kawhi trade
Fathead
Aldridge

Gay, Manu, Mills, White, Gasol, player from Kawhi trade

That's a Top 5 team in Year 1 post-Kawhitter with room for improvement in following years, tbh.
no

[jeebus]

:danceclub :danceclub :danceclub

Mugen (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) get in here...

JHUTT

[SpursDynasty85]

Just because he is still in Memphis doesn't signal anything. Spurs could still be thinking about it.

[ernest787]

People comparing fathead to boris :lol

[BillMc]

I want Kyle back. Can't lose assets for nothing. Though depending on what they get for Kawhi, I can see them not matching.

[barbacoataco]

How many starting SF's in the NBA have no game either slashing to the basket, or shooting the 3 ball? I think just about everyone can do one or the other, and most do both. I know he does a lot of other things well, but I just think it puts too much pressure on everyone else.

[AFBlue]

I think Danny is destined to play more SF with the glut of guards on the team, and and I expect Rudy will get a lot more minutes this year as well. Will be interesting to see what happens, but I don't think they end up matching. Honestly good either way.

[Keepin' it real]

We can’t have 2 non shooters on the floor

Well said. We need at least 3 to pick up where we left off.

[K...]

of all the teams The spurs are probably the most intense enviroment. It's well coached and well run, but having to maintain a playoffs run with falling talent is draining. I could see Kawhi wanting out from that to a lower pressure situation. But kyle too might be affected but having to meet those standards. He was told to change his game from PG to PF defender, and then with kawhi being out, suddenly had an opening for a new position. Memphis will probably let him do whatever and we'll see if he can connect the dots with a team that isn't as pressured to make the playoffs

Guys like parker and Manu adjusted to the pressure but KAwhi obviously did not.

[picnroll]

of all the teams The spurs are probably the most intense enviroment. It's well coached and well run, but having to maintain a playoffs run with falling talent is draining. I could see Kawhi wanting out from that to a lower pressure situation. But kyle too might be affected but having to meet those standards. He was told to change his game from PG to PF defender, and then with kawhi being out, suddenly had an opening for a new position. Memphis will probably let him do whatever and we'll see if he can connect the dots with a team that isn't as pressured to make the playoffs

Guys like parker and Manu adjusted to the pressure but KAwhi obviously did not.
In terms of practice I highly doubt it. Doubt they have half the intensity of Miami or Minnesotta.

[DeRozan m8]

I want Kyle back. Can't lose assets for nothing. Though depending on what they get for Kawhi, I can see them not matching.

He's not an asset.

He's a liability.

Im happy to lose liabilities for nothing tbh

[K...]

In terms of practice I highly doubt it. Doubt they have half the intensity of Miami or Minnesotta.

i don't practice is the main thing. It's a mental block. Basically the spurs placed huge bets on Leonard being an alpha and elevating the role players. He did almost the exact opposite and that fucked over a lot of the small guys left holding the bag. This offseason is like them acknowledging that the bet failed and needs to be reset.

[SpursDynasty85]

of all the teams The spurs are probably the most intense enviroment. It's well coached and well run, but having to maintain a playoffs run with falling talent is draining. I could see Kawhi wanting out from that to a lower pressure situation. But kyle too might be affected but having to meet those standards. He was told to change his game from PG to PF defender, and then with kawhi being out, suddenly had an opening for a new position. Memphis will probably let him do whatever and we'll see if he can connect the dots with a team that isn't as pressured to make the playoffs

Guys like parker and Manu adjusted to the pressure but KAwhi obviously did not.

Sounds like assumptions. Besides KL coming out and saying he would like lighter practices, has any other player quoted this? I remember Kerr saying he enjoyed every bit of time with Pop and of course the annual rodeo road trip where they go bowling and museums and probably do intense some practices for a playoff run but I cannot recall a player saying they hated any combination of Spurs' practices, culture, coach, anything else.

[picnroll]

i don't practice is the main thing. It's a mental block. Basically the spurs placed huge bets on Leonard being an alpha and elevating the role players. He did almost the exact opposite and that fucked over a lot of the small guys left holding the bag. This offseason is like them acknowledging that the bet failed and needs to be reset.
That I’ll buy. Pop has been great at personell management. The dumbest thing he ever did in that department was assuming or promoting Leonard as a leader. Leonard’s not capable of leading a team out of a locker room and even a casual fan could see that. Might as well try teaching a penguin to fly.

I think Leonard is conflicted. He and his Uncke think he wants more prominence but in truth his personality seeks anonymity. I think problem began when Duncan retired land pressure was on him to step up leadership-wise.

[Mugen]

:danceclub :danceclub :danceclub

Mugen (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) get in here...

We just keep on winning, Nono...:lobt2:

[Marcus Bryant]

I want Kyle back. Can't lose assets for nothing. Though depending on what they get for Kawhi, I can see them not matching.

If you're rebuilding, you need minutes and resources available to develop young players with higher potential ceilings. For a contender, Anderson has a nice role player skillset and this is a role player contract. Spurs are no longer a contender so I can see them not matching.

[lmbebo]

He's not an asset.

He's a liability.

Im happy to lose liabilities for nothing tbh

He's a good piece but is a hard match with the players around him right now. He either needs to become more of a shooter or the players around him need to be more.

[SAGirl]

It's a tough decision for the club.

They have invested 3 seasons in Kyle and he has turned into a good professional, solid rotation player. Well adapted to the system, able of playing good minutes in his role vs elite teams. And the contract offered is not bad per se.
On the other hand, PATFO is in the middle of a key offseason and flexibility is really needed. On the court, Anderson is a very particular player, offensively he's not an easy fit. On the books, the 4-year deal and trade kicker would limit short-term and mid-term movements.

Like any other this summer, this decision is another subplot in Leonard's soap opera. It's hard to assess single operations until the roster is completed and the club reveals the plan for the season.
Good take.
:toast

[LittleCriminal]

https://media.tenor.com/images/caeabceb03c1b02adc0254a925fb599a/tenor.gif

[sasaint]

That I’ll buy. Pop has been great at personell management. The dumbest thing he ever did in that department was assuming or promoting Leonard as a leader. Leonard’s not capable of leading a team out of a locker room and even a casual fan could see that. Might as well try teaching a penguin to fly.

I think Leonard is conflicted. He and his Uncke think he wants more prominence but in truth his personality seeks anonymity. I think problem began when Duncan retired land pressure was on him to step up leadership-wise.

Exactly! That's what I have been saying since January. The steady drumbeat of "It's Kawhi's team now" did nothing but put pressure on a recluse to do stuff off-court that was completely contrary to his nature. Guys who had been on the same team with him for years should have known this. It was a unique situation to have a reclusive superstar, but PATFO needed to find somebody else to carry the mantle once Tim retired.

[TheDoctor]

https://media.tenor.com/images/caeabceb03c1b02adc0254a925fb599a/tenor.gif
:lol

[SAGirl]

of all the teams The spurs are probably the most intense enviroment. It's well coached and well run, but having to maintain a playoffs run with falling talent is draining. I could see Kawhi wanting out from that to a lower pressure situation. But kyle too might be affected but having to meet those standards. He was told to change his game from PG to PF defender, and then with kawhi being out, suddenly had an opening for a new position. Memphis will probably let him do whatever and we'll see if he can connect the dots with a team that isn't as pressured to make the playoffs

Guys like parker and Manu adjusted to the pressure but KAwhi obviously did not.


i don't practice is the main thing. It's a mental block. Basically the spurs placed huge bets on Leonard being an alpha and elevating the role players. He did almost the exact opposite and that fucked over a lot of the small guys left holding the bag. This offseason is like them acknowledging that the bet failed and needs to be reset.


That I’ll buy. Pop has been great at personell management. The dumbest thing he ever did in that department was assuming or promoting Leonard as a leader. Leonard’s not capable of leading a team out of a locker room and even a casual fan could see that. Might as well try teaching a penguin to fly.

I think Leonard is conflicted. He and his Uncke think he wants more prominence but in truth his personality seeks anonymity. I think problem began when Duncan retired land pressure was on him to step up leadership-wise.
Interesting opinions about Leonard...

[stu scotts eye]

Its not the most valuable skill. Its the most entertainment value skill. Kyle anderson makes the correct basketball play more often than not, but that is not valued by the majority of fans. See your previous posts

What does making the correct, textbook play have to do with anything when you cannot be played vs. Warriors or the Rockets?

Is getting to the 1st or 2nd round good enough for you? Because Kyle can help us get there. Just can't help us get past there, as evidenced to Pop bailing on him and inserting Rudy by game 2.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs have the worst season in 2 decades once Fathead takes a permanent role as a starter. Hmmm.

[dabom]

:lol

[dabom]

Spurs have the worst season in 2 decades once Fathead takes a permanent role as a starter. Hmmm.

We won a Championship then the Spurs draft fathead.

[dabom]

https://media.tenor.com/images/caeabceb03c1b02adc0254a925fb599a/tenor.gif


:lol

[sasaint]

It's a tough decision for the club.

They have invested 3 seasons in Kyle and he has turned into a good professional, solid rotation player. Well adapted to the system, able of playing good minutes in his role vs elite teams. And the contract offered is not bad per se.
On the other hand, PATFO is in the middle of a key offseason and flexibility is really needed. On the court, Anderson is a very particular player, offensively he's not an easy fit. On the books, the 4-year deal and trade kicker would limit short-term and mid-term movements.

Like any other this summer, this decision is another subplot in Leonard's soap opera. It's hard to assess single operations until the roster is completed and the club reveals the plan for the season.

Yep, I have been wondering how and how much the Kawhi-sis impacted PATFO's decision on Tony, and how much it will impact PATFO's decision on Kyle. The team is in a serious bind in the front court. If they let Kyle go, it is an indication that they think 1 of 2 things. Either Kawhi is likely to return, or they will get a decent SF in return. Even so, the departure of both Kawhi and Kyle points to the return on Kawhi including front court players not back court players (Philly?).

[TheGreatYacht]

We won a Championship then the Spurs draft fathead.
:lmao

Some say that's when the beautiful game with 3 pointers barrages died.

[dabom]

:lmao

Some say that's when the beautiful game with 3 pointers barrages died.

Fathead pump faking open 3s to this day. :lol

[bdictjames]

The thing is, Kyle is great, advanced stats and all. But I think from a basketball player’s perspective, he doesn’t pass the eye test. He slows down the offense and is too worried about making the right play. He doesn’t have the burst of an NBA guy. He’ll probably benefit from the Grizz offense with a lot of bigs. Best of luck to him.

[K...]

I do wonder, if kyle goes to Memphis, will several posters delete their account because they no lo longer have a reason to post?

[lmbebo]

I do wonder, if kyle goes to Memphis, will several posters delete their account because they no lo longer have a reason to post?


Find a new reason to complain ..

[tholdren]

I do wonder, if kyle goes to Memphis, will several posters delete their account because they no lo longer have a reason to post?

Yes, they will still have to correct your "hot takes"

[LittleCriminal]

Two sides of the same coin...

shit pile Kyle gets shipped out,
Who will we talk about?

Guy you want to lose ur virginity to gets shipped out,
Who will you talk about?

[DPG21920]

1016008095129067525

[SpursDynasty85]

Deadline was noon right? I'm indifferent here. I do like blossomgame too. Danny is really more a natural 3 than 2 guard considering his dribbling ducks. Derrick White should be our 2 guard this year.

[MoSpur02]

I wouldn't mind using the minimum on Luc Mbah a Moute as for the backup SF position

[Joseph Kony]

1016007971279695873
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[NASpurs]

1016008095129067525

[baseline bum]

1016008095129067525

Who the fuck cares whether Uncle Dennis thinks the Spurs match?

[BillMc]

Who the fuck cares whether Uncle Dennis thinks the Spurs match?
:lmao

[bklynspursfan]

1016008095129067525

I hope the Spurs fed him that info, then turned around and matched Anderson.

[DPG21920]

I hope the Spurs fed him that info, then turned around and matched Anderson.

Lol - Jabari is connected to Kyle so probably coming straight from Kyle

[DPG21920]

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[BatManu20]

Memphis fans suddenly huge KA fans

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[TimDunkem]

1016008095129067525

https://youtu.be/3GwjfUFyY6M

[NASpurs]

1016012016220364801

That’s Kyle’s Dad right? He tweeted they’re looking for apartments in Memphis.

[raybies]

Who the fuck cares whether Uncle Dennis thinks the Spurs match?
I look retarded laughing so hard at this restaurant

[DPG21920]

That’s Kyle’s Dad right? He tweeted they’re looking for apartments in Memphis.

That is correct

[NASpurs]

https://youtu.be/3GwjfUFyY6M

Use the video tags instead of the youtube tags.

I think they changed from the youtube tags years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M&feature=youtu.be

[LittleCriminal]

The suspense is terrible.. I hope it will last!

[LittleCriminal]

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/elf-excited-gif-11.gif

[dabom]

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/elf-excited-gif-11.gif

[Joseph Kony]

Really will be a lot of new faces on the roster next season. Spurs only have 1 SF on the roster and two bigs. Really hope they trade Kawhi to Philly and nab some of their wings in return

[jyra]

Some remaining wing options to fill the gap: Chris Singleton, Terrence Jones, James Ennis. Should be doable with the BAE or remaining MLE amount. Mbah a Moute probably stays with Houston.

[spursistan]

https://i.imgur.com/iosHw6k.jpg

This was kinda a hint few days ago.. He's definitely gone.

[pad300]

I suspect that letting him go is an error. I also suspect they talked to him, and he said he wanted out. Thus they let him go... Hope this doesn't turn out to be a bad error, but it well could.

[Leetonidas]

Some remaining wing options to fill the gap: Chris Singleton, Terrence Jones, James Ennis. Should be doable with the BAE or remaining MLE amount. Mbah a Moute probably stays with Houston.

James Ennis would be a solid bench player Imo. Too bad spurs won't be able to afford Ellington. As far as front court players, with the money the spurs have, ennis and len as backups would be decent at this point

[NickiRasgo]

I suspect that letting him go is an error. I also suspect they talked to him, and he said he wanted out. Thus they let him go... Hope this doesn't turn out to be a bad error, but it well could.

I'm pretty sure he won't mind either way because he'll get paid anyway.

[-21-]

Really will be a lot of new faces on the roster next season. Spurs only have 1 SF on the roster and two bigs. Really hope they trade Kawhi to Philly and nab some of their wings in return

At the current state of the roster, Green and Belinelli will be playing at the 3.

[Spurs Brazil]

The Spurs exercised Anderson's qualifying offer last month hoping to retain their 2014 first-round pick. According to league sources, the Spurs were looking pay Anderson in the $5 million per season range, but the Grizzlies' offer was too steep to match.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-unlikely-to-match-Kyle-Anderson-s-offer-13058044.php

[picnroll]

It’ll be interesting to see how Memphis uses him. I’m guessing he’ll revert more to his UCLA days as a point forward

[NASpurs]

Eh, let's be real, losing Kyle hurts more from the backup PF position than the starting 3 position... but even then... ehhh...

Speaking of the backup PF position, I wonder what's going on with Bertans.

[NASpurs]

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[Leetonidas]

Spurs ever gonna do anything with Milutinov or what.

[Robz4000]

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:rollin those Gasol/Mills contracts putting in work

[Ron Swanson]

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:vomit:

[marinoman]

:rollin those Gasol/Mills contracts putting in work
Hopefully those bozos are gone in a Leonard trade

[RD2191]

Losing Anderson means they have to trade Kawhi, right? No way they go into the season without a real small forward on the roster.

[SnakeBoy]

lol Spurfan celebrating KA leaving while convincing themselves that Lonnie Walker has talent.

I'm looking forward to the meltdowns when people realize they are looking at a decade+ of of the Spurs assuming their rightful place as a shitty small market team.

[SpursDynasty85]

Losing Anderson means they have to trade Kawhi, right? No way they go into the season without a real small forward on the roster.

Thinking about it again. Danny Green would be a 3 on most teams no?

[picnroll]

:vomit:

Too bad it’s a bad year for lottery picks.

[NASpurs]

Thinking about it again. Danny Green would be a 3 on most teams no?

LDN has lost a step so it wouldn't surprise me to see him as a SF next year.

[PennSpur]

I think not matching is a mistake. All the stat models say this is an underpayment. Kyle is young and the Spurs have no clear path to finding a better replacement. If Kawhi is back, DJM-Green-Kawhi-Kyle-LMA is a pretty sick defensive group. If Kawhi is gone, there's a good chance you're paying a little more ($10-$11M) for a guy like Covington who is a) older and b) just about as offensively limited. RoCo is the better and more willing shooter, but he lacks Kyle's ability to handle in the PnR and create for others. That said, there have been reports that the Spurs might not even want Covington on his current deal, so maybe the Spurs just don't value that type of role player particularly highly.

[BatManu20]

I think not matching is a mistake. All the stat models say this is an underpayment. Kyle is young and the Spurs have no clear path to finding a better replacement. If Kawhi is back, DJM-Green-Kawhi-Kyle-LMA is a pretty sick defensive group. If Kawhi is gone, there's a good chance you're paying a little more ($10-$11M) for a guy like Covington who is a) older and b) just about as offensively limited. RoCo is the better and more willing shooter, but he lacks Kyle's ability to handle in the PnR and create for others. That said, there have been reports that the Spurs might not even want Covington on his current deal, so maybe the Spurs just don't value that type of role player particularly highly.


Kawhi ain’t coming back dude. It’s only a matter time before he’s traded.

[Leetonidas]

"If Kawhi is back"

:lol

[NASpurs]

Spurs ever gonna do anything with Milutinov or what.

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[DPG21920]

I don’t think SA is too worried about perfect roster construction at the moment; like drafting they just want the best package for Kawhi regardless of position.

[PennSpur]

If I had to bet on Kawhi starting the season with one particular team, I'd still pick the Spurs. If I had to bet Spurs/not Spurs, I'd choose the latter. Either way, I'm fine with it--just really want a resolution to all this drama after what's felt like an eternity of speculation.

With or without Leonard, I think Kyle is an asset on that contract. I'd rather pay Anderson than Gay.

[dabom]

I don’t think SA is too worried about perfect roster construction at the moment; like drafting they just want the best package for Kawhi regardless of position.

I doubt that. Position is of great importance too. You'd be a dumb fuck not to think so. :lol

[Spursfanfromafar]

Is Hanga ruled out as a replacement?

[palangi]

At the current state of the roster, Green and Belinelli will be playing at the 3.

Im pretty sure Gay can also play the 3

[objective]

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His buyout is relatively small, I think 900k of which the Spurs can contribute 700k

The real question is if the 3/9 they can offer after the Marco deal is enough to get him.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's making close to that already, he does start for one of the best teams in Euroleague

[palangi]

Eh, let's be real, losing Kyle hurts more from the backup PF position than the starting 3 position... but even then... ehhh...

Speaking of the backup PF position, I wonder what's going on with Bertans.

Metu?

[timvp]

According to league sources, the Spurs were looking pay Anderson in the $5 million per season range, but the Grizzlies' offer was too steep to match.

Yeah, I was hoping for about $5 million per season for KA. At that amount, you can match without factoring in roster fit.

But this offer from Memphis makes it a much tougher call. I think the bottom line is you either have to pick Anderson or Murray. In today's NBA, you can't win a playoff series if both of those guys are playing 30+ minutes.

[Gordy58]

lol Spurfan celebrating KA leaving while convincing themselves that Lonnie Walker has talent.

I'm looking forward to the meltdowns when people realize they are looking at a decade+ of of the Spurs assuming their rightful place as a shitty small market team.
who’s your favorite team?

[objective]

Is Hanga ruled out as a replacement?

Probably. He had season ending knee surgery. Maybe the full BAE could be enough.

[NASpurs]

Metu?

If that's the case, maybe this is the year that Pop decides to ride out with a couple of rooks.

[LittleCriminal]

SA Girl Suicide watch officially begins..

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201434/rs_294x180-140404140609-4CjX8_-_Imgur.gif

[Rocalcio]

Are you guys serious about replacing Anderson with Hanga, Metu or Milutinov ? Even Walker IV wouldn’t fill the hole he’ll leave. Loosing Kyle sucks, bottom line.

[dabom]

Fathead is a dime a dozen player. You can pick those at the recycle bin. :lol

[palangi]

Are you guys serious about replacing Anderson with Hanga, Metu or Milutinov ? Even Walker IV wouldn’t fill the hole he’ll leave. Loosing Kyle sucks, bottom line.

When did KA become irreplaceable?

[SAGirl]

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:depressed

[objective]

Yeah, I was hoping for about $5 million per season for KA. At that amount, you can match without factoring in roster fit.

But this offer from Memphis makes it a much tougher call. I think the bottom line is you either have to pick Anderson or Murray. In today's NBA, you can't win a playoff series if both of those guys are playing 30+ minutes.

I think it's a bad move from the Spurs. And Anderson is one of my least favorite Spurs of the last 10 years.

But it's only a mid level deal. For someone as versatile as him, as healthy and dependable, it's a fair deal. He could play 3, 4, maybe some smallball 5 even. And while I've never bought the whole 'Kyle as point guard' narrative, he's a hell of a lot better equipped to do a lite-Manu role than Marco or Green.

It's only MLE, justified. It's not like the Kings offered him 3/33.

He would be worth his deal much more than Mills on his.

Spurs making a mistake.

Their wing depth and rotation of the future, Anderson and Simmons, lost for nothing

[Rocalcio]

When did KA become irreplaceable?

And when did I say that ?
He can be replaced of course, just not with the guys mentioned.

[SAGirl]

I hope the Spurs fed him that info, then turned around and matched Anderson.
I wish it werent true, but Kyle's dad tweeted earlier today that he was looking for apartments in Memphis and replied to Jabari's tweet directly that it's true.

Think they had a smaller budget to sign Kyle and they won't match. I don't know what that means for those who want to read the tea leaves concerning Kawhi but I think it's unrelated. Kyle got himself a good deal.

Sad day for me obviously. :depressed

[Rocalcio]

I wish it werent true, but Kyle's dad tweeted earlier today that he was looking for apartments in Memphis and replied to Jabari's tweet directly that it's true.

Think they had a smaller budget to sooth Kyle and they won't match. I don't know what that means for those who want to read the tea leaves concerning Kawhi but I think it's unrelated. Kyle got himself a good deal.

Sad day for me obviously. :depressed

I’m not happy with this either, he was my favorite player in the team.

[dabom]

I wish it werent true, but Kyle's dad tweeted earlier today that he was looking for apartments in Memphis and replied to Jabari's tweet directly that it's true.

Think they had a smaller budget to sign Kyle and they won't match. I don't know what that means for those who want to read the tea leaves concerning Kawhi but I think it's unrelated. Kyle got himself a good deal.

Sad day for me obviously. :depressed

Use this number if you feeling sad. 1-800-SUICIDE HOTLINE. :hat

[baseline bum]

lol Spurfan celebrating KA leaving while convincing themselves that Lonnie Walker has talent.

I'm looking forward to the meltdowns when people realize they are looking at a decade+ of of the Spurs assuming their rightful place as a shitty small market team.

What does losing Anderson have to do with that? Losing Leonard is why this team is going back into the lottery.

[SnakeBoy]

who’s your favorite team?

Spurs, doesn't mean I can't laugh at Spurfans trying to think their way out of this. We gonna suck for a long time :lol

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I was hoping for about $5 million per season for KA. At that amount, you can match without factoring in roster fit.

But this offer from Memphis makes it a much tougher call. I think the bottom line is you either have to pick Anderson or Murray. In today's NBA, you can't win a playoff series if both of those guys are playing 30+ minutes.
:tu

the increased salary could have still been worth matching if it was a shorter deal

[spurraider21]

Are you guys serious about replacing Anderson with Hanga, Metu or Milutinov ? Even Walker IV wouldn’t fill the hole he’ll leave. Loosing Kyle sucks, bottom line.
of course losing him would hurt the team. but that doesn't mean it makes sense to overpay him.

[dabom]

When the fuck do I get bolded up in this bitch? timvp

[boutons_deux]

He started 60+ games, but Spurs think he's not a keeper?

Will see if his replacement(s) do better?

[objective]

Are you guys serious about replacing Anderson with Hanga, Metu or Milutinov ? Even Walker IV wouldn’t fill the hole he’ll leave. Loosing Kyle sucks, bottom line.

Hanga wouldn't be the worst idea normally. He's a big 6-6 due to his short neck and unusually small head. Very good defender with long arms, can help fill that void.

He'd be better than James Ennis or Trsveon Graham or the other SF scrubs the Spurs could sign

But he's coming off knee surgery AND I don't think they could afford him

[RD2191]

When the fuck do I get bolded up in this bitch? timvp

Same tbh

[ernest787]

One of my least favorite spurs of all time if finally gone. Thank you Lord.

Does SAgirl go to the Memphis board now? Bye Player Fans.

[dabom]

One of my least favorite spurs of all time if finally gone. Thank you Lord.

Does SAgirl go to the Memphis board now? Bye Player Fans.

She look like she gonna stay and bandwagon another shitty role player. :vomit

[cd021]

Spurs ever gonna do anything with Milutinov or what.
Who knows? This team won't be hurting for open roster spots with Parker, Joff, Manu (likely), Anderson( probably) and Kawhi (almost certainly) gone and only Walker and Beli to fill those spots.

I could see PATFO using the rest of the MLE on him for a 3 year deal, if he doesn't sign his rookie scale (starts out at about $1.5 million) if he doesn't come over, PATFO might sign Metu to a 4-year deal for super cheap and have him develop in the g league next year.

[Chinook]

If Kawhi gets traded for Saric and Cov while the team re-ups Bertans, then it makes sense. There are four forward spots, and so far Gay has one locked down. Beli probably has one, and Green might as well if Manu comes back. If Kawhi does stay on, then he takes a spot from a guard (probably Manu). So it seems like SA needs someone who can play PF no matter how you slice it. Bertans can do that somewhat, but you'd want someone who can do more on D to at least compete for the role. Again, too bad KBD wasn't around in the second.

[Chinook]

Some remaining wing options to fill the gap: Chris Singleton, Terrence Jones, James Ennis. Should be doable with the BAE or remaining MLE amount. Mbah a Moute probably stays with Houston.

It would be amazing for SA to bring in Singleton the same season they let go of Kawhi. Somewhere, TJastal is smiling.

[NASpurs]

We're going to offer Jabari Parker a one-year contract, aren't we? :lol

[cd021]

:tu

the increased salary could have still been worth matching if it was a shorter deal

I don't think the years are the issue, PATFO probably would've signed him for as many years. I think they were expecting $6-7 million per but $9.25 a year gave them pause. With the cap spiking next season from $102 million to $109 million and from $109 million to $116 million its weird that they would get scared off by a couple of million more a year.

I think he asked them not to match.

[Rocalcio]

Hanga wouldn't be the worst idea normally. He's a big 6-6 due to his short neck and unusually small head. Very good defender with long arms, can help fill that void.

He'd be better than James Ennis or Trsveon Graham or the other SF scrubs the Spurs could sign

But he's coming off knee surgery AND I don't think they could afford him

I also remember he was pretty upset not being hired by SA last time. Not sure he’d be glad to come now.

[Chinook]

We're going to offer Jabari Parker a one-year contract, aren't we? :lol

I'd've loved that rather than Beli.

[K...]

When the fuck do I get bolded up in this bitch? timvp

You were just banned a week ago, jeez show some humility

[BackHome]

Are you guys serious about replacing Anderson with Hanga, Metu or Milutinov ? Even Walker IV wouldn’t fill the hole he’ll leave. Loosing Kyle sucks, bottom line.


Umm Nikola is a Center and Hanga is a SF/SG so if added they would not replace him but I would add both are better then Anderson. The bottom line in basketball if you have to outscore your opponent and as many people have mentioned Anderson was scarred to shot the ball even with second left on shot clock he would pass the ball to a team mate at the last second making them take difficult shots.........He No Bueno......

[SAGirl]

:rollin those Gasol/Mills contracts putting in work
It's sad really... But at least Kyle got paid. The rest are still out there hanging.

[BackHome]

You were just banned a week ago, jeez show some humility


ZING.......:lol