Woj: Kyle Anderson Signs 4-yr/$37.2M Offer Sheet w/ Memphis

[Joseph Kony]

We're going to offer Jabari Parker a one-year contract, aren't we? :lol

Any pittance the Spurs can offer I'm sure Milwaukee will match considering it won't be much

[Rocalcio]

Umm Nikola is a Center and Hanga is a SF/SG so if added they would not replace him but I would add both are better then Anderson. The bottom line in basketball if you have to outscore your opponent and as many people have mentioned Anderson was scarred to shot the ball even with second left on shot clock he would pass the ball to a team mate at the last second making them take difficult shots.........He No Bueno......

We’re talking about guys who never played in the league, they won’t be efficient contributors so quickly.

[SnakeBoy]

What does losing Anderson have to do with that? Losing Leonard is why this team is going back into the lottery.

We weren't a lottery team without Leonard. That's what I find so funny. People act like let's just get this rebuild over with like it's only going to take a year or two. I'd rather have the somewhat competitive team we had last year instead of racing to the bottom in hopes of being saved by another DRob/TD type lottery pick. The odds of that happening are slim and none. And once we're down at the bottom the chance of attracting a game changing FA are even less.

[NASpurs]

Any pittance the Spurs can offer I'm sure Milwaukee will match considering it won't be much

Oh shit, he's a RFA? Didn't know that. My bad.

[Joseph Kony]

considering they signed Lopez though, it seems the writing is on the wall that they don't intend to match an offer for Parker if he gets a decent one. just dont think he would take the BAE for 1 season

[KDKSpurs24]

considering they signed Lopez though, it seems the writing is on the wall that they don't intend to match an offer for Parker if he gets a decent one. just dont think he would take the BAE for 1 season
Bucks would just match the BAE since it’s cheap right?

[baseline bum]

We weren't a lottery team without Leonard. That's what I find so funny. People act like let's just get this rebuild over with like it's only going to take a year or two. I'd rather have the somewhat competitive team we had last year instead of racing to the bottom in hopes of being saved by another DRob/TD type lottery pick. The odds of that happening are slim and none. And once we're down at the bottom the chance of attracting a game changing FA are even less.

The Spurs were one game out of the lottery. If Aldridge doesn't have another career year or gets hurt for any stretch of more than a few games they're probably a lottery team this upcoming season, especially if Manu retires.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs were one game out of the lottery. If Aldridge doesn't have another career year or gets hurt for any stretch of more than a few games they're probably a lottery team this upcoming season, especially if Manu retires.

Yes, the rebuild has begun.

[objective]

If Anderson was blocking the development of a younger player I could understand not wanting him matched. But there's no youth behind him. Hell, I think he's actually a few days younger than Blossomgame.

Pay Mills and Gasol, but let Anderson walk?

[dabom]

If Anderson was blocking the development of a younger player I could understand not wanting him matched. But there's no youth behind him. Hell, I think he's actually a few days younger than Blossomgame.

Pay Mills and Gasol, but let Anderson walk?

Fathead sucks. You dumb fuck. :lmao

[Rocalcio]

Fathead sucks. You dumb fuck. :lmao

You’re such a smart guy... :rolleyes

[slick'81]

Well atleast we have gasol/mills :lol

[SnakeBoy]

The Spurs were one game out of the lottery. If Aldridge doesn't have another career year or gets hurt for any stretch of more than a few games they're probably a lottery team this upcoming season, especially if Manu retires.

Well what if all you want, the Spurs will be worse this year without KA than they would have been with him.

Edit: Seems like most are still having a championship or bust mentality. I'm just saying get used to an awful lot of bust.

[SpursDynasty85]

The Spurs were one game out of the lottery. If Aldridge doesn't have another career year or gets hurt for any stretch of more than a few games they're probably a lottery team this upcoming season, especially if Manu retires.

A lot of other injuries caused out decline towards the end. If we had a healthy Rudy and LMA all year we wouldve been the 3rd werd. When those two went down we lost almost 10 straight or something like that around January.

[ernest787]

Besides not liking Anderson, I don't want him locked up for 4 years at that number. If you tread water this year, you're looking at coming into a bunch of cap space next summer. People will argue that cap space doesn't matter b/c FAs don't come to SA... but even if that is correct... cap space = flexibility. I will take the flexibility over Fathead any day.

[baseline bum]

A lot of other injuries caused out decline towards the end. If we had a healthy Rudy and LMA all year we wouldve been the 3rd werd. When those two went down we lost almost 10 straight or something like that around January.

The schedule evening out was the biggest factor in the decline towards the end.

[SpursDynasty85]

The schedule evening out was the biggest factor in the decline towards the end.

True. That last month and half was brutal but the decline hit the fan when LMA had to miss his 10 or so games at a time Gay was still easing his way back.

[LittleCriminal]

I’m not happy with this either, he was my favorite player in the team.

Shit Pile kyle was ur favorite player.. Lol wtf
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[HarlemHeat37]

I hope he goes to Memphis, it's better for his career..his impact is undeniable, his metrics are elite for a low-usage player, but he's just a weird fit with the way the Spurs are trying to build this team..

It's a great opportunity for him and he will be much more comfortable in a role where he has the ball more often..using him as a spot shooting role player was stupid, but he also didn't help himself by playing scared(which seems to happen to many with the Spurs for whatever reason)..

[baseline bum]

Well what if all you want, the Spurs will be worse this year without KA than they would have been with him.

Edit: Seems like most are still having a championship or bust mentality. I'm just saying get used to an awful lot of bust.

Anderson would be a nice glue guy on a talented team with lots of shooting around him. That ain't the Spurs. Anderson isn't a talented enough player to build around and this is a team in desperate need of being blown up. This Spurs team was built to win now but the franchise deciding to sit out the season and force a trade completely wrecked that plan. Now the roster makes no sense. I don't see the point of trying to barely hold on to a low seed when all the talent is on the down slope of their careers and thus there is nothing to build upon. Unless they're planning to hold onto Kawhi and dare him to walk away from $219 million this team should probably tank to replenish the talent pool, because it's not coming here in free agency. Maybe in ten years if the team moves to Austin they'll pull free agents but right now it's draft or bust.

[Rocalcio]

Shit Pile kyle was ur favorite player.. Lol wtf
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I probably know more about basketball than you do, kid. This player is good cause he can do almost anything on a court. But like many others around here you’re just too focused on trashing him for no reason.

[SAGirl]

I think it's a bad move from the Spurs. And Anderson is one of my least favorite Spurs of the last 10 years.

But it's only a mid level deal. For someone as versatile as him, as healthy and dependable, it's a fair deal. He could play 3, 4, maybe some smallball 5 even. And while I've never bought the whole 'Kyle as point guard' narrative, he's a hell of a lot better equipped to do a lite-Manu role than Marco or Green.

It's only MLE, justified. It's not like the Kings offered him 3/33.

He would be worth his deal much more than Mills on his.

Spurs making a mistake.

Their wing depth and rotation of the future, Anderson and Simmons, lost for nothing
The TRUTH!!! Both guys were let go on very moderate deals too, for nothing back.


Never been an Anderson fan, but like I said yesterday, I just hope they're doing it for the right reasons (money and/or fit) and not because they want to grant him his wish or maximize cap space. They're not getting anyone of significance to come here and because they want to attempt to remain as competitive as possible, they're not going to weaponize the space by eating dead money for draft picks.

If they don't either retain Leonard or trade for Covington, they'll be without a big wing defender and with Green most likely gone in at most a year, they won't have a wing defender period.
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What you both said is true. That contract is really moderate even in this tight market and will probably be great by the end of it. But the worst aspect is that the Spurs are still in cap hell and can't add anyone else outside of deals so small that guys who can play in Europe may not even be interested in them. (Milutinov, Bertans saying he will also consider play in in Europe if the offers aren't interesting.)

They have some young guys who are intriguing but most of them are guards anyways.

What the guys celebrating his departure don't understand is that he was let go for nothing back. And that what they are getting instead is perhaps a paper tiger with a team whose previous advantage was size being undersized and playing midget lineups.

Perhaps a trade will be worked out to balance this put.

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[SnakeBoy]

Anderson would be a nice glue guy on a talented team with lots of shooting around him. That ain't the Spurs. Anderson isn't a talented enough player to build around and this is a team in desperate need of being blown up. This Spurs team was built to win now but the franchise deciding to sit out the season and force a trade completely wrecked that plan. Now the roster makes no sense. I don't see the point of trying to barely hold on to a low seed when all the talent is on the down slope of their careers and thus there is nothing to build upon. Unless they're planning to hold onto Kawhi and dare him to walk away from $219 million this team should probably tank to replenish the talent pool, because it's not coming here in free agency. Maybe in ten years if the team moves to Austin they'll pull free agents but right now it's draft or bust.

That's kind of my point. We are losing the stars and giving up the glue. We're going to suck for a long time, there's nothing to celebrate here.

[dabom]

I probably know more about basketball than you do, kid. This player is good cause he can do almost anything on a court. But like many others around here you’re just too focused on trashing him for no reason.

You dont know shit faggot. :lmao

[KimmyGib]

Anderson will have a breakout season his first year in Memphis. Just watch.

[Rocalcio]

You dont know shit faggot. :lmao


Do you really have to insult posters every time you answer them ? That’s a weird habit...

[ernest787]

just like he had a break out year last year when he started the majority of the year?! :lol

His contract is not a moderate contract for what he is. Dude should be the 8th man on a team. If he is playing above that (like he did last year)... you're in trouble.

The smart people here that are concerned about losing him have all said the same thing... he's a minutes eater. Spurs are banking on Gay being able to eat a portion of those minutes this year and will either have Kawhi to eat the rest or will get Kyle's replacement back in the Kawhi trade.

[BatManu20]

Besides not liking Anderson, I don't want him locked up for 4 years at that number. If you tread water this year, you're looking at coming into a bunch of cap space next summer. People will argue that cap space doesn't matter b/c FAs don't come to SA... but even if that is correct... cap space = flexibility. I will take the flexibility over Fathead any day.


If the Spurs can trade Patty as part of a Kawhi deal (unlikely they would want to, but possible), the Spurs would be looking really good next summer in terms of cap space, with Rudy, Danny, and BP3 coming off the books, and with Pau only guaranteed $6M the following season.

[LittleCriminal]

I probably know more about basketball than you do, kid. This player is good cause he can do almost anything on a court. But like many others around here you’re just too focused on trashing him for no reason.

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[dabom]

Do you really have to insult posters every time you answer them ? That’s a weird habit...


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[baseline bum]

That's kind of my point. We are losing the stars and giving up the glue. We're going to suck for a long time, there's nothing to celebrate here.

On second thought I think I probably would match him since he'd have some trade value locked up for four years. I guess the point is moot though, if he and his dad are out there looking for apartments in Memphis they probably got a call from RC saying the Spurs aren't matching.

[vander]

too bad the NBA doesn't have compensation picks like the NFL. Kyle may be overpaid, but letting him walk for nothing doesn't help. like many have said, top talent doesn't come to SA, excessive cap space isn't going to help the Spurs, got to draft well and hold on to (or trade) your players.

[rascal]

On second thought I think I probably would match him since he'd have some trade value locked up for four years. I guess the point is moot though, if he and his dad are out there looking for apartments in Memphis they probably got a call from RC saying the Spurs aren't matching.

People are too damn conservative. He isn't any good, let him go. He doesn't have any trade value either.
Don't get locked into contracts with players with little to no upside. The Spurs have to start thinking rebuild with upside players not locking up below average players.

[Chinook]

too bad the NBA doesn't have compensation picks like the NFL. Kyle may be overpaid, but letting him walk for nothing doesn't help. like many have said, top talent doesn't come to SA, excessive cap space isn't going to help the Spurs, got to draft well and hold on to (or trade) your players.

I've been talking about NBA compensatory picks for a while now. Like have five or so picks between the first and second rounds. Three-year deals with a guaranteed first season and two TOs before RFA. Have them be untradeable but count as first-rounders for Stepien situations.

[MoSpur02]

Sign and trade him for JaMychal Green

[Das Texan]

Why the fuck is White listed as a wing nad not a combo at worst in that stupid little chart Garcia posted?

[objective]

Sign and trade him for JaMychal Green

Unfortunately, once the offer sheet is signed, nothing can be done. It's either match or don't.

Even if the Spurs matched, they would be forbidden from trading him to Memphis for a calendar year.

[MoSpur02]

Unfortunately, once the offer sheet is signed, nothing can be done. It's either match or don't.

Even if the Spurs matched, they would be forbidden from trading him to Memphis for a calendar year.

Ah... thanks for that info

[Ron Swanson]

Sign and trade him for JaMychal Green

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[objective]

Why the fuck is White listed as a wing nad not a combo at worst in that stupid little chart Garcia posted?

He's just using the positions from the Cleaning the Glass site. They use their own stats.

They probably based it off wherever White played last year, and if he was on at the same time as Mills, Murray or even Forbes they probably marked him as the wing

[buttsR4rebounding]

It would be amazing for SA to bring in Singleton the same season they let go of Kawhi. Somewhere, TJastal is smiling.

I would love for the Spurs to give him a shot. He has been balling at a very high level the last 2 years in Euroleague. Defense, 3 point shooting. Both have been strong.

[spurs1990]

The Spurs were one game out of the lottery. If Aldridge doesn't have another career year or gets hurt for any stretch of more than a few games they're probably a lottery team this upcoming season, especially if Manu retires.

One game from lottery but that was with Leonard holding out for 73 games.

That guy took up $19m in salary. Hypothetically let's replace two $10m above-average players into Leonard's spot last year and the Spurs would've been a higher seed, it's fair to say.

[K...]

I probably know more about basketball than you do, kid. This player is good cause he can do almost anything on a court. But like many others around here you’re just too focused on trashing him for no reason.

lmao 90% of spurstalk is dumb asses. Being an above average poster is remarkably easy. A certain type of spursfan became fans around 2012 and thought player like leonard , duncan, and manu were the standard and not exceptions to the rule. Now you hear, Blossomgame is starter! Metu is an all star! Oh and "I still believe in kawhi"

[objective]

The TRUTH!!! Both guys were let go on very moderate deals too, for nothing back.


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What you both said is true. That contract is really moderate even in this tight market and will probably be great by the end of it. But the worst aspect is that the Spurs are still in cap hell and can't add anyone else outside of deals so small that guys who can play in Europe may not even be interested in them. (Milutinov, Bertans saying he will also consider play in in Europe if the offers aren't interesting.)

They have some young guys who are intriguing but most of them are guards anyways.

What the guys celebrating his departure don't understand is that he was let go for nothing back. And that what they are getting instead is perhaps a paper tiger with a team whose previous advantage was size being undersized and playing midget lineups.

Perhaps a trade will be worked out to balance this put.

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I know people are looking to the future, and the rebuild ... But he's only turning 25 in September.

He's young enough to bridge this team to the next generation team that's rebuilt. On an MLE deal? It's a no-brainer, coming from me, someone who does not enjoy watching his giant noggin flop around atop his neck.

I accept it's a done deal that he's gone, but I just don't like it. The Spurs find a way to massively overpay limited guys like Pau and Mills well into their damn 30s but are too cheap to give league Average and under deals to versatile guys in their 20s like Anderson and Simmons.

He was rough to watch and a coward when it came time to shoot threes in the postseason, but he is a legit NBA player with good defense and never gets hurt. That's worth the MLE.

Yes, it definitely eats into cap space next summer but he's not a Mills, he's worth his money

[ducks]

so 48 hours is very close to being over

[PennSpur]

@AndrewDBailey
No one in NBA history matches Kyle Anderson's combination of AST%, REB%, STL% and BLK%.

If you round the qualifiers down, you add Chris Webber, Josh Smith, Paul Millsap, Andrei Kirilenko, DeMarcus Cousins, Draymond Green, Oliver Miller, Ben Simmons and Jordan Bell.

[gambit1990]

i am loving the turnover this offseason.

no more joffrey, tony, anderson :tu drafts picks are much more athletic than any of those three.

i hope the spurs rescind forbes' QO and that bertans takes the spurs' QO.

maybe gasol even gets moved with kawhi.

i hope manu returns, he can still contribute on the court and his experience, leadership would really help all young guys.

[ceperez]

I know people are looking to the future, and the rebuild ... But he's only turning 25 in September.

He's young enough to bridge this team to the next generation team that's rebuilt. On an MLE deal? It's a no-brainer, coming from me, someone who does not enjoy watching his giant noggin flop around atop his neck.

I accept it's a done deal that he's gone, but I just don't like it. The Spurs find a way to massively overpay limited guys like Pau and Mills well into their damn 30s but are too cheap to give league Average and under deals to versatile guys in their 20s like Anderson and Simmons.

He was rough to watch and a coward when it came time to shoot threes in the postseason, but he is a legit NBA player with good defense and never gets hurt. That's worth the MLE.

Yes, it definitely eats into cap space next summer but he's not a Mills, he's worth his money

If they paid Mills, Spurs are definitely going to pay to keep KA in the team. They got no choice here.

[Kyle Orton]

27 page thread on Kyle fuckin Anderson lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

The poor roster construction of guards makes it difficult to justify paying Anderson and using him correctly, unfortunately..you don't want to lose a guy with that type of on/off impact, there's a reason the Spurs are significantly better whenever he's on the floor, but it's just tough to use him with Murray, current Danny(who can't shoot) and especially when they're playing Aldridge/Pau together(way too slow)..

Ideally, you would never want a player like Murray at PG in today's NBA, but it's too early to give up on him and he's still on a cheap contract..the Mills deal is tough, since you can find one-dimensional shooters for much cheaper..if Green could remember how to shoot, losing Anderson would hurt less, but I've lost hope for that..

The lack of guard ability makes the fanbase excited over signing a career loser, no-impact player like Rudy Gay just because he can create his own shot, that's how badly the front office has done the past 2 years or so:lol

[K...]

27 page thread on Kyle fuckin Anderson lmao

1/20 the kawhi drama thread and if Lonnie keeps getting political then watch out

[LittleCriminal]

lmao 90% of spurstalk is dumb asses. Being an above average poster is remarkably easy. A certain type of spursfan became fans around 2012 and thought player like leonard , duncan, and manu were the standard and not exceptions to the rule. Now you hear, Blossomgame is starter! Metu is an all star! Oh and "I still believe in kawhi"

You forgot to add these to ur shit list:
Anderson is a Starter,
Anderson is an all star,
Anderson is an elite defensive player,
Anderson is comparable to boris diaw
Anderson is comparable to Paul George,
Anderson is comparable to an MVP canadite kawhi leonard.
Anderson has a small forehead.

[Chinook]

I would love for the Spurs to give him a shot. He has been balling at a very high level the last 2 years in Euroleague. Defense, 3 point shooting. Both have been strong.

I think he'd be pretty good as a small-ball four. I checked up on him and Vesely a couple of years ago and liked what I saw from both. It's sort of weird that SA hasn't been looking to bring guys from overseas very much recently. The stars aren't there, but a lot of good 12-15th men are and can still be had for cheap.

[FireMicoHalili]

I think he'd be pretty good as a small-ball four. I checked up on him and Vesely a couple of years ago and liked what I saw from both. It's sort of weird that SA hasn't been looking to bring guys from overseas very much recently. The stars aren't there, but a lot of good 12-15th men are and can still be had for cheap.
I kept thinking if the Spurs would have been able to develop Vesely had they drafted him. He was touted as a one-trick pony then (the “dunking ninja”) and his hops and long arms made him an intriguing shot blocker. Read somewhere he’d be a perfect center in this era. Just wondering if 5.1 RPG in the Euroleague is going to cut it in the NBA. His best season was at 6.8. I’d love for him to come over.

[BackHome]

lmao 90% of spurstalk is dumb asses. Being an above average poster is remarkably easy. A certain type of spursfan became fans around 2012 and thought player like leonard , duncan, and manu were the standard and not exceptions to the rule. Now you hear, Blossomgame is starter! Metu is an all star! Oh and "I still believe in kawhi"

+1

[K...]

You forgot to add these to ur shit list:
Anderson is a Starter,
Anderson is an all star,
Anderson is an elite defensive player,
Anderson is comparable to boris diaw
Anderson is comparable to Paul George,
Anderson is comparable to an MVP canadite kawhi leonard.
Anderson has a small forehead.

You're a one note poster who will cease to exist in a few hours. You will try to post but your mind will fail you
. Just go ahead and become a Memphis fan. This is no longer your team

[PennSpur]

Anderson's most common lineup included Murray (Aldridge/Anderson/Green/Mills/Murray) and was +13 last year. He's ideally suited to playing the 4, imo.

[rascal]

The Spurs were one game out of the lottery. If Aldridge doesn't have another career year or gets hurt for any stretch of more than a few games they're probably a lottery team this upcoming season, especially if Manu retires.

You have to also consider the league won't be exactly like it was last year. Teams like Phoenix and The Lakers will improve.

[LittleCriminal]

You're a one note poster who will cease to exist in a few hours. You will try to post but your mind will fail you
. Just go ahead and become a Memphis fan. This is no longer your team

Lol OK miss..

[Gordy58]

Spurs, doesn't mean I can't laugh at Spurfans trying to think their way out of this. We gonna suck for a long time :lol
I mean if we suck i don’t think it’ll be for a long time, not like the lakers or sixers, I think the rebuilding won’t take as long.
We just need to see what happens with kawhi

[MoSpur02]

You can thank Gasol and Mills for the Spurs not matching Anderson. I really hope those two are outta here soon. I'm okay with the Spurs not matching the offer sheet. I also would've been fine with them matching. He's solid.

Just hate that Mills and Gasol are getting paid what they are.

[kobyz]

We're going to offer Jabari Parker a one-year contract, aren't we? :lol

you can't offer him a one year deal, offer sheet to restricted frr agents has to be at least 3 years deal...

[TheGreatYacht]

He has 12 total points this season, 5/14fg, 0/2 3pt, -0.056 WS/48, -4.1 BPM

"Advanced stats" are a total farce, but they've always sided with this scrub. Not the case here. The majority of y'all wanted to pay this scrub :lol

[SpursDynasty85]

He has 12 total points this season, 5/14fg, 0/2 3pt, -0.056 WS/48, -4.1 BPM

"Advanced stats" are a total farce, but they've always sided with this scrub. Not the case here. The majority of y'all wanted to pay this scrub :lol

Its like 3 games into the season. Give him at least half the season before you completely count the guy out.

[Dverde]

Grizz fans seeing their off-season turning into a pumpkin :fishing

[dabom]

He has 12 total points this season, 5/14fg, 0/2 3pt, -0.056 WS/48, -4.1 BPM

"Advanced stats" are a total farce, but they've always sided with this scrub. Not the case here. The majority of y'all wanted to pay this scrub :lol

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

SA's defense has fallen off a cliff without him, unfortunately..

I don't know why Memphis signed him if they're going to use him in such a shitty manner, though..what a waste of money:lol

[SAGirl]

True. I only watched a game of his in preseason, (the first one, and it's turned out to be his best one) but he had a flu and was listed as questionable yesterday but ended up toughing it out for 20 minutes that the team absolutely needed him to bc they have J.Green injured and Parsons unsurprisingly is injured with a sore knee again. Kyle missed a couple of games and some practices in preseason with a heel issue and I think it's resulted in lack of chemistry and a poor start.

I think he'll be better as he gets healthy and used to teammates.

Jaren Jackson for the Grizzlies looks like the real deal tho. Grizz may end up having been underrated in the summer depending on their rook.

[dabom]

SA's defense has fallen off a cliff without him, unfortunately..

I don't know why Memphis signed him if they're going to use him in such a shitty manner, though..what a waste of money:lol

What manner? Dude sucks. Got lead shoes. :lmao

[Dverde]

Grizz fans seeing their off-season turning into a pumpkin :fishing

[HarlemHeat37]

What manner? Dude sucks. Got lead shoes. :lmao

He's never going to be a notable offensive player, but you have to give him the ball if you just signed him for a substantial amount..playing Kyle Anderson off the ball is just stupid, what's the point of signing him? He can't shoot and doesn't want to:lol

[SAGirl]

Grizz fans seeing their off-season turning into a pumpkin :fishing
Heh
they have the same record as the Spurs and have their share of injuries too (and will have them all season since Parsons is in their team) .I'd say they are doing pretty well so far.

[Dverde]

Heh
they have the same record as the Spurs and have their share of injuries too (and will have them all season since Parsons is in their team) .I'd say they are doing pretty well so far.

My comment is their fans are starting to see fathead’s limitations. They blew all their available cap money on a bench player. I still surprised Spurs didn’t match that horrible deal. Good riddance. He was and is nothing special. Solid value for us, not worth re-signing at that price.

[K...]

My comment is their fans are starting to see fathead’s limitations. They blew all their available cap money on a bench player. I still surprised Spurs didn’t match that horrible deal. Good riddance. He was and is nothing special. Solid value for us, not worth re-signing at that price.



Do you know their fans? Memphis overpays all they're players, Chandler never healrhy Parsons?

I saw the Atlanta game and ka was very energetic on defense, but useless on offense. Atlanta did have someone respecting the 3 ball from him which made me laugh.

Memphis is a mess. Ka isn't the cause or the solution

[SpursDynasty85]

You can thank Gasol and Mills for the Spurs not matching Anderson. I really hope those two are outta here soon. I'm okay with the Spurs not matching the offer sheet. I also would've been fine with them matching. He's solid.

Just hate that Mills and Gasol are getting paid what they are.

Sadly not just Anderson. Cap space was really tight this last summer and a lot of players went at a discount. We did get Gay at least that offseason we had to pay back Gasol but it would've been great to get Julius Randle too this offseason.

[TheGreatYacht]

Ka isn't the cause or the solution
So he's..... useless.

[Chucho]

He has 12 total points this season, 5/14fg, 0/2 3pt, -0.056 WS/48, -4.1 BPM

"Advanced stats" are a total farce.


They always have been. It's just a way to make sports seem more complicated than they really are. Daryl Morrey would be a God if advanced stats mattered in the least.

[SAGirl]

It's too soon to say that they regret it. It's only 3 games. He has provided solid defense for them which is why they signed him. He injured in preseason and played one game through illness.

Parsons is always injured and JGreen got injured. They only have 2bigs healthy, Gasol and Jackson, as a result Kyle has played like a big probably more than initially thought.

The Grizzlies were awful last year as long as they are better this year, I doubt they will follow the gripes in this forum or give a damn.

Also, haters gonna hate... :elephant

[spurraider21]

They always have been. It's just a way to make sports seem more complicated than they really are. Daryl Morrey would be a God if advanced stats mattered in the least.
I mean... the rockets have been really really good. Were a cp3 injury away from taking down the most stacked team of all time

[Chucho]

I mean... the rockets have been really really good. Were a cp3 injury away from taking down the most stacked team of all time


How much of that is "Money Ball" Morey? That Houston roster was easily the second most talented and deep roster in the league last year. After a decade advanced stats going nowhere, they decided to try and build a super team approach. They went after Melo that off season in hopes Melo-Paul-Harden would be their superteam.

If advanced metrics were important, he'd have kept 1 or 2 key D guys and Melo shouldn't be on the roster if not for the pleb salary he is on. He's smart tho, he built a successful team from the design of successful teams of the era- The SuperTeam.

[TheGreatYacht]

Morey has signed or traded for Mel:lol, Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon, Lou Williams, Brandon Knight, MCW, Gerald Green, etc

Every single one of those guys have had far from good "advanced" stats. I seriously doubt Morey and his nerds buy into that shit. He just says it to try and be an edgy and woke faggot. They've been successful as of late because the trio of D'Antoni, CP3, and Harden were meant for each other.

[TheGreatYacht]

How much of that is "Money Ball" Morey? That Houston roster was easily the second most talented and deep roster in the league last year. After a decade advanced stats going nowhere, they decided to try and build a super team approach. They went after Melo that off season in hopes Melo-Paul-Harden would be their superteam.

If advanced metrics were important, he'd have kept 1 or 2 key D guys and Melo shouldn't be on the roster if not for the pleb salary he is on. He's smart tho, he built a successful team from the design of successful teams of the era- The SuperTeam.
100% spot-on.

[RC_Drunkford]

He has 12 total points this season, 5/14fg, 0/2 3pt, -0.056 WS/48, -4.1 BPM

"Advanced stats" are a total farce, but they've always sided with this scrub. Not the case here. The majority of y'all wanted to pay this scrub :lol

he's the 4th highest paid player on the Grizzlies roster :smokin

[Seventyniner]

Makes me wonder if the Spurs should go after some of the big contracts on the Grizz if they keep free falling and decide to tank. Conley would be a great fit, even while somewhat overpaid, and bringing back Pau might give some fans a reason to show up and watch a terrible team.

[SpurPadre]

Its like 3 games into the season. Give him at least half the season before you completely count the guy out.

He was given 3 full seasons already tbh. He fucking sucks.

[marinoman]

Makes me wonder if the Spurs should go after some of the big contracts on the Grizz if they keep free falling and decide to tank. Conley would be a great fit, even while somewhat overpaid, and bringing back Pau might give some fans a reason to show up and watch a terrible team.
I was just thinking that, I mean the second I saw Memphis in the title
gasol, mills, and a 1st, for Conley, but with his injury issues and our medical staff he’ll end up in a coma

[SpursDynasty85]

He was given 2 full seasons already tbh. He fucking sucks.

Well. Last year was the only year he got playing time and he had a solid (unspectacular year). Advanced metrics were good and based off those numbers got the contract. To say he is a scrub and a terrible signing for Memphis after 3 games in their system is premature.

[Mugen]

I'll take Fathead back for Fatty Mills tbh

[gospursgojas]

30th pick doing 30th pick things tbh

[Mugen]

I wonder if Memphis starts sucking if they'd be open to Conley for Patty/Pau/1st/Dejounte by mid-season....

Conley isn't that good anymore and has a terrible contract but he's still way better than Patt/Pau and Spurs are obviously all-in for the next couple of years, might as well swing for the fences tbh....

[r0drig0lac]

Morey has signed or traded for Mel:lol, Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon, Lou Williams, Brandon Knight, MCW, Gerald Green, etc

Every single one of those guys have had far from good "advanced" stats. I seriously doubt Morey and his nerds buy into that shit. He just says it to try and be an edgy and woke faggot. They've been successful as of late because the trio of D'Antoni, CP3, and Harden were meant for each other.

this

[marinoman]

I wonder if Memphis starts sucking if they'd be open to Conley for Patty/Pau/1st/Dejounte by mid-season....

Conley isn't that good anymore and has a terrible contract but he's still way better than Patt/Pau and Spurs are obviously all-in for the next couple of years, might as well swing for the fences tbh....
No way spurs trade an injured dj, whether should or not is a diff story

[Mugen]

^Haven't seen Instagram Baller post a single thing about the Spurs victory over his boy LeBron and the Lakers.....

I don't care if he's injured or not, ship that nigga out tbh......

[gospursgojas]

^Haven't seen Instagram Baller post a single thing about the Spurs victory over his boy LeBron and the Lakers.....

I don't care if he's injured or not, ship that nigga out tbh......https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1054603013011075074?s=20

[RC_Drunkford]

I wonder if Memphis starts sucking if they'd be open to Conley for Patty/Pau/1st/Dejounte by mid-season....

Conley isn't that good anymore and has a terrible contract but he's still way better than Patt/Pau and Spurs are obviously all-in for the next couple of years, might as well swing for the fences tbh....

you must be retarded to give them Dejounte. If you do the trade you give them Pau, Patty and maybe a 1st rounder not more. Conley's contract is horrible

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1054603013011075074?s=20

Fake news


you must be retarded to give them Dejounte. If you do the trade you give them Pau, Patty and maybe a 1st rounder not more. Conley's contract is horrible

Dejounte is overrated AF and he'll probably be useless for the next 1.5 seasons for an organization that is clearly in win-now mode tbh.

[exstatic]

I wonder if Memphis starts sucking if they'd be open to Conley for Patty/Pau/1st/Dejounte by mid-season....

Conley isn't that good anymore and has a terrible contract but he's still way better than Patt/Pau and Spurs are obviously all-in for the next couple of years, might as well swing for the fences tbh....

Spurs seem to be keeping their powder dry for 2020, and Conley is paid both way too much and longer than that.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fake news



Dejounte is overrated AF and he'll probably be useless for the next 1.5 seasons for an organization that is clearly in win-now mode tbh.

Spurs are not in win-now mode. They in making-the-playoffs-now-mode while stacking young talent under 25. They should clearly go with that timeline to get back in the title hunt instead of trading young pieces away for an injury prone Mike Conley 30 million per year contract. Conley doesn't make this team a contender. If that was the case they had given him this horrendous contract themselves when he was a free agent a few years back. Kawhi-Aldridge-Conley had a better chance at a title than Derozan-Aldridge-Conley

[BackHome]

Was thinking they would give Nick Johnson a shot.

[tonight...you]

Spurs are not in win-now mode. They in making-the-playoffs-now-mode while stacking young talent under 25. They should clearly go with that timeline to get back in the title hunt instead of trading young pieces away for an injury prone Mike Conley 30 million per year contract. Conley doesn't make this team a contender. If that was the case they had given him this horrendous contract themselves when he was a free agent a few years back. Kawhi-Aldridge-Conley had a better chance at a title than Derozan-Aldridge-Conley
The Truth is strong with this one...

[TDMVPDPOY]

Spurs are not in win-now mode. They in making-the-playoffs-now-mode while stacking young talent under 25. They should clearly go with that timeline to get back in the title hunt instead of trading young pieces away for an injury prone Mike Conley 30 million per year contract. Conley doesn't make this team a contender. If that was the case they had given him this horrendous contract themselves when he was a free agent a few years back. Kawhi-Aldridge-Conley had a better chance at a title than Derozan-Aldridge-Conley

dm thinks his got the keys to car, his just another loud mouth man....

[tonight...you]

dm thinks his got the keys to car, his just another loud mouth man....
Do you always post drunk, or is English your third language?

[Spurs da champs]

Lol dumbass Spur fans wanting to trade DJ for a broken down Conley. Never fails.

[Pavlov]

Fake news
How is it fake?

[objective]

Will Dejounte ever reach his potential now?

Similar sized though even more raw Dante Exum stagnated hard and has had his career trajectory seriously shifted after his ACL tear.

[cjw]

Will Dejounte ever reach his potential now?

Similar sized though even more raw Dante Exum stagnated hard and has had his career trajectory seriously shifted after his ACL tear.

People generally heal fully from ACLs but a year of lost development isn’t ideal. This isn’t an Achilles.

Are we sure Exum was ever good at basketball?

[Hoops Czar]

People generally heal fully from ACLs but a year of lost development isn’t ideal. This isn’t an Achilles.

Are we sure Exum was ever good at basketball?

Are we sure Dejounte is good at basketball? He still can't shoot outside of an open gym. His ability to run the offense on a consistent basis has also come into question. If he loses lateral quickness from the ACL injury, will he lose his ability to be an elite defender?

[TDMVPDPOY]

People generally heal fully from ACLs but a year of lost development isn’t ideal. This isn’t an Achilles.

Are we sure Exum was ever good at basketball?

why not compared him to livingston?

[SAGirl]

Will Dejounte ever reach his potential now?

Similar sized though even more raw Dante Exum stagnated hard and has had his career trajectory seriously shifted after his ACL tear.


People generally heal fully from ACLs but a year of lost development isn’t ideal. This isn’t an Achilles.

Are we sure Exum was ever good at basketball?
I think Dante missed 2 seasons, one to the ACL tear, the other to something else (shoulder), he was very raw and young to begin with his rook season. I think in his case, the injuries stunted his development really hard, but he re a lost 2 years. Lavine took 2 seasons to return to his old self though. Although he played 20+ games last season, he wasn't at 100%, in terms of confidence and ability.

I think Dejounte will be able to recover his athleticism but this year was key for his development, specially offensively. The loss of playing time at an age he should still be improving really is unpredictable in terms of him stagnating or no. Next season will be his 4th in the league and by then he will want to get paid :greedy

[FireMicoHalili]

Are we sure Dejounte is good at basketball? He still can't shoot outside of an open gym. His ability to run the offense on a consistent basis has also come into question. If he loses lateral quickness from the ACL injury, will he lose his ability to be an elite defender?
The guy also made the All-Defensive team last year. If your only basis for "good at basketball" is shooting then you're probably the kind of guy who gets thrilled with Steve Novak. Maybe Jeff Ledbetter would fit your description of a "good basketball player". The guy acknowledged shooting was a shortcoming and tried to work on it this summer. Unfortunate everyone won't see the results of that work for an extended amount of time, but the guy deserves the benefit of the doubt. Dumb sports fans are aplenty

[FireMicoHalili]

How is it fake?
people reject the evidence they don't want to accept. They're disagreeable with how things have been run by the Spurs' front office because they've been extremely spoiled the past few years. The team is just three games into the season and most of the people here have prematurely jumped off the cliff because their fragile basketball feelings are experiencing what 29 other teams' fans have felt the past few years. It is what it is.

[objective]

I think Dante missed 2 seasons, one to the ACL tear, the other to something else (shoulder), he was very raw and young to begin with his rook season. I think in his case, the injuries stunted his development really hard, but he re a lost 2 years. Lavine took 2 seasons to return to his old self though. Although he played 20+ games last season, he wasn't at 100%, in terms of confidence and ability.

I think Dejounte will be able to recover his athleticism but this year was key for his development, specially offensively. The loss of playing time at an age he should still be improving really is unpredictable in terms of him stagnating or no. Next season will be his 4th in the league and by then he will want to get paid :greedy

Exum was more raw, but at the time of their ACL injuries, Dejounte had only played about 250 more NBA minutes and 15 more NBA starts.

Exum is still quite athletic, but the skills fell behind.

[SAGirl]

Exum was more raw, but at the time of their ACL injuries, Dejounte had only played about 250 more NBA minutes and 15 more NBA starts.

Exum is still quite athletic, but the skills fell behind.
You have a good point. there's no way of knowing if Exum would be a better player today if he hadn't lost what really was a couple of years at a time he was still developing. I really don't know. I think that's the worse aspect of this injury, I expected Dejounte to be significantly better offensively, even if progress wasn't linear (rarely is, but over the length of the season one sees a pattern)... We will never know. Next season it's already contract year and as a fan all I can only hope for is the MIP campaign I thought I'd see this season.

[Mr. Body]

Will Dejounte ever reach his potential now?

Similar sized though even more raw Dante Exum stagnated hard and has had his career trajectory seriously shifted after his ACL tear.

Raw. You said it. Dante Exum was never that good to begin with.

[sasaint]

Lol dumbass Spur fans wanting to trade DJ for a broken down Conley. Never fails.

Conley... Smh!

[ElNono]

Will Dejounte ever reach his potential now?

Similar sized though even more raw Dante Exum stagnated hard and has had his career trajectory seriously shifted after his ACL tear.

Circling back to the topic at hand, this is what's different with Fathead. DJ might never reach his potential due to the injury (hope not), but you know he had the physical tools and work ethic to reach a higher ceiling, at least pre-injury.

Fathead, on the other hand, was always handicapped from day 1. He might be an extremely hard worker, but he could never overcome the lack of physical tools on an extremely athletic league.

I've seen people argue that, well, Parker, Manu or Vince Carter could still be effective at age 40 or whatever, despite the diminished physical state, but the reality is that their production dropped considerably at that point, and teams consider those players more on the mentoring role than actual difference makers.

[John B]

I already forgot him with Dante’s 12 boards and defense on James. What Spurs need is a 3nD G/SF. I cringe at the thought of Forbes/Mills stopping Harden :wtf

[MaNu4Tres]

I wonder if Memphis starts sucking if they'd be open to Conley for Patty/Pau/1st/Dejounte by mid-season....

Conley isn't that good anymore and has a terrible contract but he's still way better than Patt/Pau and Spurs are obviously all-in for the next couple of years, might as well swing for the fences tbh....

Dejounte would have been more impactful than Conley this season.

Ill keep Dejounte, the 1st, and let Pau walk this summer over trading for Conley.

[TDomination]

I already forgot him with Dante’s 12 boards and defense on James. What Spurs need is a 3nD G/SF. I cringe at the thought of Forbes/Mills stopping Harden :wtf

we do need a 3&D, but with the way the refs favor Harden there will be hardly anyone that will be able to stop him without a foul being called. its ridiculous.

[Seventyniner]

Dejounte would have been more impactful than Conley this season.

Ill keep Dejounte, the 1st, and let Pau walk this summer over trading for Conley.

Not sure I agree with the first part. Murray and DeRozan would have been a pretty awkward fit in the backcourt. It would basically force Pop to start a 3-and-no-D player at SF like Beli or Bertans. Unless you mean moving DeRozan to SF, Murray at SG, and Mills or Forbes at PG.

DeRozan/Conley looks similar to DeRozan/Lowry on paper.

I agree with the second part. I wouldn't give up Murray. It's also difficult to give up Pau and not get a big in return, especially given how bad Poeltl has looked so far.

[John B]

I wouldn’t give out our young for Conley. However, Murray seems an odd fit with the 1st unit unless he proves he can knockdown those 3’s. LW4 seems a better fit. Demar as the combo guard and White as the backup PG. That leaves Murray as the odd ball. Any thoughts of packaging him and 1st to land a Davis or Giannis?

[SpursDynasty85]

I wouldn’t give out our young for Conley. However, Murray seems an odd fit with the 1st unit unless he proves he can knockdown those 3’s. LW4 seems a better fit. Demar as the combo guard and White as the backup PG. That leaves Murray as the odd ball. Any thoughts of packaging him and 1st to land a Davis or Giannis?

Anthony Davis and Giannis for a package based on Dejounte Murray? Your going to have to give up DeRozan, Walker, and. 1st rounder as well.

[cjw]

The guy also made the All-Defensive team last year. If your only basis for "good at basketball" is shooting then you're probably the kind of guy who gets thrilled with Steve Novak. Maybe Jeff Ledbetter would fit your description of a "good basketball player". The guy acknowledged shooting was a shortcoming and tried to work on it this summer. Unfortunate everyone won't see the results of that work for an extended amount of time, but the guy deserves the benefit of the doubt. Dumb sports fans are aplenty

This. Dejounte was chosen as one of the top four defensive guards in the league last year. That’s way more than Exum’s ever come close to sniffing.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

My comment is their fans are starting to see fathead’s limitations. They blew all their available cap money on a bench player. I still surprised Spurs didn’t match that horrible deal. Good riddance. He was and is nothing special. Solid value for us, not worth re-signing at that price.

I don't know about other Grizzlies fans, but I thought this was a terrible signing from the beginning and never thought he was that good.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274710&page=14&p=9464097#post9464097

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274710&page=14&p=9464171#post9464171

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274746&page=4&p=9466379#post9466379


So far I have yet to be proven wrong and I doubt I ever will be.

[The Closer]

Thanks grizzlies. :lmao

[spursparker9]

2 pts, 5 rebs, 1 ast, 1 TO in 21 mins in 21 pts win over Phoenix

[TheCultOfPersonality]

2 pts, 5 rebs, 1 ast, 1 TO in 21 mins in 21 pts win over Phoenix
He was terrible in that game no doubt.

I'm not a fan of +/- but I do find it interesting that he was a -10 in a 21 point win.

[BD24]

Would love to get memphisgirls input tbh

[marinoman]

I want grizzlies to suck cause I wouldn’t mind Conley for pau, mills and a late 1st

[K...]

Would love to get memphisgirls input tbh

She'd say something like "he needs the ball to be effective, with the injuries he's playing too much. The grizzled suck"

I like the kid, he has skills but the game got faster this year and he may be fatally slow. But at least he's not patty mills or Chandler Parsons. I will always have that.

[Bynumite]

And they say Lakers prospects are overrated by the media :lol

Kyle Anderson would be playing in China right now, if he had been drafted by anyone else. Instead, because he was drafted by the spurs and played under Poop aka the most overrated cosign in sports, he gets paid $37 fucking million to be a bum in the NBA :lmao

[JakeCuenca]

And they say Lakers prospects are overrated by the media :lol

Kyle Anderson would be playing in China right now, if he had been drafted by anyone else. Instead, because he was drafted by the spurs and played under Poop aka the most overrated cosign in sports, he gets paid $37 fucking million to be a bum in the NBA :lmao

Carried by kiwi.

And these fatsos have the audacity to question kiwi desire to leave.

[marinoman]

Kyle Anderson reminds me of other crappy pgs from Ucla

[Spurs fever]

Brutal... you

[TheCultOfPersonality]

And they say Lakers prospects are overrated by the media :lol

Kyle Anderson would be playing in China right now, if he had been drafted by anyone else. Instead, because he was drafted by the spurs and played under Poop aka the most overrated cosign in sports, he gets paid $37 fucking million to be a bum in the NBA :lmao

Well you gotta take into account that Chris Wallace is one of the worst (if not the worst) executive in the NBA.

[cd021]

I want grizzlies to suck cause I wouldn’t mind Conley for pau, mills and a late 1st
$ 64 million over next two seasons, no thanks.

[Spurtacular]

Glue guy was only one off of his season high of 2 FGM tonight.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's living walking proof that neck beards should stay away from sports and stick "advanced stats" up their hairy asses.

[K...]

He's living walking proof that neck beards should stay away from sports and stick "advanced stats" up their hairy asses.

Um, how did the spurs to from decent on defense last year to historically worse? Magic? Murray might be 65-85% of it, but ka was a starter and did positive things unlike patty mills. The advanced stats show what they show, he sucks on offense and is slow on defense but can stay in a good defense scheme and not get exposed like the current defense

[marinoman]

$ 64 million over next two seasons, no thanks.
64 million to get rid of patty is worth considering, throw in Conley and I’m very interested. But I’m pretty sure most side with you including patfo

[John B]

Clock is ticking for brothers Gasol to play together. It’s a possibility.

[cd021]

64 million to get rid of patty is worth considering, throw in Conley and I’m very interested. But I’m pretty sure most side with you including patfo
Yeah, it's not worth considering. Mills is definitely playing poorly but his contract is more of an inconvenience than an albatross. The cap is scheduled to jump to $108 next season and $120 million in the final year of his deal, further minimizing the sting associated his contract. Conley's is just downright bad it's like choosing to kicked stabbed instead of just kicked in the testicles- they're both bad but one is going to hurt less in the long run.

[Chinook]

Yeah, it's not worth considering. Mills is definitely playing poorly but his contract is more of an inconvenience than an albatross. The cap is scheduled to jump to $108 next season and $120 million in the final year of his deal, further minimizing the sting associated his contract. Conley's is just downright bad it's like choosing to kicked stabbed instead of just kicked in the testicles- they're both bad but one is going to hurt less in the long run.

The issue with Conley's isn't the APY itself. It's just really hard to fit unless Murray isn't on the team. Conley, DeRozan and Aldridge would combine for $86 Million each of the next two years after this one. That's not an absurd total to pay a big three in the current age, but it precludes any other decently paid player. Murray at like $25 Million instantly puts them close to the cap without factoring in the other 11 guys. Keeping Gay and adding some MLE contracts does the same. I don't think that trio is good enough to win a title. With Kawhi instead of DeRozan, maybe. But without a surprise star on a rookie deal to boost the talent-to-dollar ratio, I have a hard time figuring out why the team would do such a trade.

[BatManu20]

Clock is ticking for brothers Gasol to play together. It’s a possibility.


Would love Marc here but he’d have to opt-out of the the remaining $25M on his deal after this season (unlikely) and then take a paycut (also unlikely).

[RC_Drunkford]

I think there's a huge chance that Murray is a better player than Conley in 2020/21

[cd021]

The issue with Conley's isn't the APY itself. It's just really hard to fit unless Murray isn't on the team. Conley, DeRozan and Aldridge would combine for $86 Million each of the next two years after this one. That's not an absurd total to pay a big three in the current age, but it precludes any other decently paid player. Murray at like $25 Million instantly puts them close to the cap without factoring in the other 11 guys. Keeping Gay and adding some MLE contracts does the same. I don't think that trio is good enough to win a title. With Kawhi instead of DeRozan, maybe. But without a surprise star on a rookie deal to boost the talent-to-dollar ratio, I have a hard time figuring out why the team would do such a trade.

Conley's a fine player but his injury history makes that $30+ million over the next two seasons a lot harder to swallow. I hadn't even considered how he might fit on this team and the books, that being said, I don't love his fit for that price and I certainly don't like how the Spurs cap situation would look.

[MVPCues]

Kyle had a monster night last night...5 points in 28 minutes to increase his season average.

[LittleCriminal]

Kyle had a monster night last night...5 points in 28 minutes to increase his season average.

Increased his season average to 4pts per game.. Lol #scrub

[BillMc]

Well you gotta take into account that Chris Wallace is one of the worst (if not the worst) executive in the NBA.

Who is your avatar?

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle had a monster night last night...5 points in 28 minutes to increase his season average.
:lmao

[Mr. Body]

Kyle had a monster night last night...5 points in 28 minutes to increase his season average.

It's like posters on this board have no idea how basketball works.

[John B]

I like Kyle. I wish him well.

[Texas_Ranger]

nba's worst starter.

[DJR210]

Kyle had a monster night last night...5 points in 28 minutes to increase his season average.

:lol

[The Closer]

40 mil to grab easy rebounds and not do shit. :lmao

[in2deep]

:lol wow

[K...]

Still a better pg then Paddy

[Immortal Spur]

still would of rather had him instead of Bertans. He'd be starting now at the four. He'd be much better than Dante and is a hell of a lot more versatile.

[in2deep]

Still a better pg then Paddy

Barely if at all

[MaNu4Tres]

He only put in the amount of work needed to improve when he entered his first contract year.

So glad Spurs let him walk.

[Mirrornick]

Back in September, there were some posters on here who would rather have Kyle Anderson than DeRozan. Yeah let's imagine that scenario for one second. Goes to show how overrated advanced stats/analytics are and can be deceiving. So many people cherry pick advanced stats to discredit DeRozan, it's ridiculous.

[NASpurs]

$40 M for intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheets :lol

[Mugen]

$40 M for intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheets :lol

:lol but then I look over at Patty....:depressed

[r0drig0lac]

40 mil to grab easy rebounds and not do shit. :lmao

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnqUxyWbsAXq7Ju/giphy.gif

[Seventyniner]

still would of rather had him instead of Bertans. He'd be starting now at the four. He'd be much better than Dante and is a hell of a lot more versatile.

Same here. A low-usage defense and rebounding specialist at the 3 would fit this roster much better than a pure shooter who can't keep up with 3s on the perimeter and can't box out 4s inside.

[Dverde]

I think Kyle is like Diaw where he needs the right situation to thrive. I think Bertrans is a better fit for this year’s Spurs, he can space the floor better. Fat head needed to go.

[SAGirl]

Well this trolling is super interesting and funny!
:spin

Kyle was never a scorer and if you only boxscore there's reason to be trolling. However, Memphis has started 4-2 and is boasting a top defense after being goddamn awful last year.

Kyle was injured in preseason and played a game through illness. However, he's providing for his new team the defense he provided for the Spurs last year and that was the reason Memphis signed him. I think with chemistry and a comfort level that only develops playing games with new teammates he will get better.

Also, he'd still be playing if he was on the Spurs, who started a traffic cone defense that has required Cunningham to play in the starting lineup.

So... echo chambers will sound on but it's all weak sauce.

[RD2191]

KA is a scrub. :lol As I said, if he were any good, he'd still be a Spur.

[Chucho]

Well this trolling is super interesting and funny!
:spin

Kyle was never a scorer and if you only boxscore there's reason to be trolling. However, Memphis has started 4-2 and is boasting a top defense after being goddamn awful last year.

Kyle was injured in preseason and played a game through illness. However, he's providing for his new team the defense he provided for the Spurs last year and that was the reason Memphis signed him. I think with chemistry and a comfort level that only develops playing games with new teammates he will get better.

Also, he'd still be playing if he was on the Spurs, who started a traffic cone defense that has required Cunningham to play in the starting lineup.

So... echo chambers will sound on but it's all weak sauce.


LOL, it's not trolling. He's not a good player and you're upset that people are trashing an over paid, 1-dimensional player with little upside.

You're argument is all advanced metrics. ROFL.

Either way, you like the guy but he's mediocre at best and over paid. He's never going to be great and will always have the same criticisms placed on him and you'll never be able to accept it.

No one's trolling, that's just your coping mech.

[RD2191]

KA has 12 points and 5 assists...in his last 3 games. :lol

[HankChinaski]

I was not a great fan of Anderson while he was a spur the last two seasons. But that had mostly to due with the roster construction. I think with the roster with this year's Spurs he would have been better equipped to provide proper tangibles that the team is currently lacking.

That price tag though would not be ideal for netting him back though.

[K...]

LOL, it's not trolling. He's not a good player and you're upset that people are trashing an over paid, 1-dimensional player with little upside.

You're argument is all advanced metrics. ROFL.

Either way, you like the guy but he's mediocre at best and over paid. He's never going to be great and will always have the same criticisms placed on him and you'll never be able to accept it.

No one's trolling, that's just your coping mech.

How do explain the Spurs having good defense last year, and crap defense this year. That's a fucking advanced stat

[duncan2150]

still would of rather had him instead of Bertans. He'd be starting now at the four. He'd be much better than Dante and is a hell of a lot more versatile.

Bertans contract is just 2 years, KA did'nt worth memphis money that was a good decision by the FO. The contract is not huge but we did'nt need to overpay players like that. We made a mistake once with Patty, not twice with KA.

[Dverde]

I won’t contest his defensive prowess. If anyone knows about D it’s SAGirl.

[bklynspursfan]

He only put in the amount of work needed to improve when he entered his first contract year.

So glad Spurs let him walk.

This is what it seems like now tbh

[Immortal Spur]

Bertans contract is just 2 years, KA did'nt worth memphis money that was a good decision by the FO. The contract is not huge but we did'nt need to overpay players like that. We made a mistake once with Patty, not twice with KA.
He was worth the money. He's a solid role player getting like what 8 mill per, who can play multiple postions and has a versatile skill set. That fills a lot of holes on a team that wants depth. He's a prototypical jack of all trades master of none player or as Pop said last year a utility infielder. Bertans is having a hard time making a rotation with hardly any depth. Kyle would have been a shoe in. He bolstered the defense last year and made very few mistakes. He's a quality rotation piece for most teams in the league and he was drafted what 30th in the first round. He's a good player. People just look at numbers and think that says it all but it doesn't. Marcus Smart is in that same category.

[RC_Drunkford]

nba's worst starter.

nah Melo is worse

[bklynspursfan]

How do explain the Spurs having good defense last year, and crap defense this year. That's a fucking advanced stat

Anderson was part of that, as was Murray/Green. They lost all 3 unfortunately.

[Mirrornick]

KA has 12 points and 5 assists...in his last 3 games. :lol

DD had that in 1 quarter LOL.

[RC_Drunkford]

Anderson was part of that, as was Murray/Green. They lost all 3 unfortunately.

Manu is also a plus on defense

[Dverde]

I won’t contest his defensive prowess. If anyone knows about D it’s SAGirl.

[SAGirl]

Manu is also a plus on defense
wasn't last year, but honestly... not just 40 years old, but having to play with Mills/Forbes bench lineups will do that to anyone. I think part of the reason Danny played from the bench at times was to help the bench defensively.... (Danny also had that torn groin and his level of play decayed in the late part of the season last year but that's beside the point).

[bklynspursfan]

Manu is also a plus on defense

He definitely provided some toughness/energy on the perimeter for sure

[BillMc]

I'd rather have Kyle than Patty

[TimDunkem]

I'd rather have pneumonia than Patty.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'd rather have pneumonia than Patty.
:lol

[BillMc]

I'd rather have pneumonia than Patty.
:lol

[jehawk81]

I won’t contest his defensive prowess. If anyone knows about D it’s SAGirl.

HAAAHAHAHA :bobo

[Dverde]

Yesterday, 0-4, 2 points in 31 minutes. Fathead doing fathead things

[sasaint]

Yesterday, 0-4, 2 points in 31 minutes. Fathead doing fathead things

I am mildly surprised. I suspect that Memphis fans are about as mystified and irate about Kyle’s signing as ST is about Pau’s and Patty’s.

[Mr. Body]

Yesterday, 0-4, 2 points in 31 minutes. Fathead doing fathead things

Meh. He's been really good overall defensively, which is Memphis's thing. Has been bad overall on offense. But his team has been much better than expected.

I know it's hard for people to understand, but he really is a good platoon/glue guy that fits a lineup together.

[JeffDuncan]

He's never been any scoring threat. His career ppg avg is only 4.9. Not even 5.

[hooperflash]

Who is your avatar?
I need to know as well:tongue

[TimDunkem]

He is not a good glue guy. Forcing your team to essentially play 4 on 5 is not a good thing.

[spursparker9]

10 pts
5 rebs
1 ast
1 blk

26 min!

[DJR210]

I won’t contest his defensive prowess. If anyone knows about D it’s SAGirl.

:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

His per 36 numbers are amazing: 6.6 points, 5.8 rebounds, 2.9 assits on 2.4 turnovers and 41.7% shooting with 0% from 3 and 46% FT. Classic Kyle tbh

[spursparker9]

Kyle is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Boris Diaw

[K...]

Kyle is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Boris Diaw

If you missed summer league Kyle then I'm sorry. Like Boris Kyle only plays well when in the right environment. Memphis Kyle= Charlotte Boris

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Kyle is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Boris Diaw

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-chosenone-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

[John B]

If you missed summer league Kyle then I'm sorry. Like Boris Kyle only plays well when in the right environment. Memphis Kyle= Charlotte Boris
Agree. Likewise other players like Gary Neal, J. Simmons, Boban though.

[RC_Drunkford]

If you missed summer league Kyle then I'm sorry. Like Boris Kyle only plays well when in the right environment. Memphis Kyle= Charlotte Boris

Kyle's still playing summer league?:rollin

[K...]

Kyle's still playing summer league?:rollin

No, like Bobo his peak was brief and resulted ina championship. If anything Kyle could join a contender some day and show some crazy skill, but his base skill is to stand in front of guys and use size and length to defend which he's sightly above average. His outside shooting still sucks, it's pretty early to say Memphis overpays, but Memphis overpays all the time anyway so it wouldn't be a crime

[playbonner15]

Kyle is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Boris Diaw
I remember this :lol

[pad300]

He seems to be on an upward trend. In his first 2 or 3 games with Mem, he was in a negative wp48, and is now up to .4, he's getting better. He had a rough start, I seem to recall something about illness... I think it's a bit early to judge.

[TheGreatYacht]

Scrubitis is incureable, tbh..

[Immortal Spur]

Scrubitis is incureable, tbh..
Alright Doc Mcstuffins

[TimDunkem]

Sucks in a niche role. Sucks in a bigger role. Sucks in any role. Total scrub.

[slick'81]

Just be glad we didnt give him that $$$

[Mugen]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1yvoDVJQsTfHi/giphy.gif

[Chinook]

Certainly can't rationalize why he's so passive. If anything, it seems like Pop might have been helping him in that regard. Anderson isn't a good enough facilitator to have the ball in his hands enough to play like he did in the summer league. Dude has to make more of the touches he does get if he wants more. For his sake, I hope that JB can get that through his head. Anderson hate was a uniting force on this board last year, but he's still better than people like to argue. But damn, man, what's the excuse now?

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, I liked his attitude, D, and versatility, but the passivity on offense and refusal to take open shots-- especially when he was sharing the floor with Danny Green-- could be really frustrating. It's hard to have a great offense if 2/5ths of your team is playing hot potato with the ball.

[r0drig0lac]

he would have to be Andre Roberson defensively to be good with his passivity in offense

[Chinook]

he would have to be Andre Roberson defensively to be good with his passivity in offense

The thing that is annoying that Kyle is actually a pretty good offensive player. He was one of the best iso scorers over the last few years, has a good midrange shot and can make good reads. He's just passive AF. Roberson may not shoot, but he knows what he does well (cutting, put-backs) and does those things. Even if Anderson played Roberson-level D, he'd still be frustrating as hell because of how little he seems to try on offense.

[MVPCues]

I always felt like his timidity was because he was simply afraid of failure or hurting the team. He is a very good basketball player. Very versatile with a lot of skills at a lot of things. That makes him a star in the G league. He is very crafty around the basket and plays decent D, in part due to his length. The problem is in the NBA he is very slow and doesn't assert himself on the offensive end. He needs favorable matchups, which means he should be the most valuable and versatile 9th-10th man on a good team.

He seems like a great team mate, but sometimes he looked like a perpetual coaster to me.

[Immortal Spur]

he had 10 pts last night...

[RC_Drunkford]

Kyle still gets haunted in his sleep by dreams about shooting the open corner 3. Should he shoot it? Nah step in fake a long 2 and pass the ball to somebody else. That has messed with his head and he's now scared to shoot from anywhere. I really don't understand where those confidence issues come from. Pop must've really traumatized Kyle

[spursparker9]

Kyle vs Golden State later.

Let's see how he fare

[spursparker9]

4 pts
4 rebs
5 asts
4 stls

29 mins vs GSW

[ElNono]

I don't know why some people call it 'hate'... the dude looks like a 45 year old unathletic player that's afraid to shoot... that's not hate, that's calling a spade a spade. You can't be a cerebral player in this league unless you impact the game night in and night out. He doesn't have the guts to do that either.

At this rate this kid is going to be out of the league before Simmons, and he only has himself to blame, tbh...

[pad300]

At this rate this kid is going to be out of the league before Simmons

No he's not, Kyle has a 4 year guaranteed contract. Simmons is done next season. After that he's going to be scrambling for the vet min, given how his ORL time has gone. He's also going to be 31, and doesn't have the best locker room reputation...

[james evans]

No he's not, Kyle has a 4 year guaranteed contract. Simmons is done next season. After that he's going to be scrambling for the vet min, given how his ORL time has gone. He's also going to be 31, and doesn't have the best locker room reputation...
And u know about his locker room reputation from where?? Lol

[Texas_Ranger]

The guy has been shit for 5 years now. Are people really surprised that he still sucks?

[LittleCriminal]

The guy has been shit for 5 years now. Are people really surprised that he still sucks?

I think it has more to do with the posters who think he's good and still has upside..

[TimDunkem]

The guy has been shit for 5 years now. Are people really surprised that he still sucks?

There are PATFO slurpers here who will follow this big-headed bum around until he retires, desperately looking to justify the FO picking him in the first place.

Just wait until he's in his 10th season and he finally hits a career high of 25 points. There will be slurpers here telling us how great we had it when he was on the team.

[Fusternino]

Simmons had a bad wrist injury to end last season and it looks like it might've ended his career. Too bad.

[BackHome]

The dude was a late first very few of these guys ever stay in the league very long much less get a second contract. Never thought he had any upside but he was a decent guy in the 13th to 15th team bench range. Good for him he is making millions but am glad it’s for another team.

No no we just have to move Mills and Forbes

[ElNono]

No he's not, Kyle has a 4 year guaranteed contract. Simmons is done next season. After that he's going to be scrambling for the vet min, given how his ORL time has gone. He's also going to be 31, and doesn't have the best locker room reputation...

Simmons can actually put a highlight reel featuring Van Gundy slurping all over him to fool some dumb GM into paying for his athleticism... Kyle's highlight reel is 30 seconds long while he's making a dumb crossover his defender didn't bite...

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop did to Kyle what he did to Cunningham and other scrubs too: Make them look better than they really are, because of the system

[K...]

Pop did to Kyle what he did to Cunningham and other scrubs too: Make them look better than they really are, because of the system

Lmao

[spurraider21]

Certainly can't rationalize why he's so passive. If anything, it seems like Pop might have been helping him in that regard. Anderson isn't a good enough facilitator to have the ball in his hands enough to play like he did in the summer league. Dude has to make more of the touches he does get if he wants more. For his sake, I hope that JB can get that through his head. Anderson hate was a uniting force on this board last year, but he's still better than people like to argue. But damn, man, what's the excuse now?
there was never an excuse.

he is who we thought he is, and we let of him off the payroll

[Chinook]

there was never an excuse.

he is who we thought he is, and we let of him off the payroll

I tried to crown his ass.

[Chinook]

Seriously, though, Kyle and his father seemed to believe that Pop wasn't letting Anderson flourish. It's easy to look at someone who doesn't play with confidence and argue that the coach should be able to fix that. I did that with Anderson; a lot of folks are doing that with Bertans right now. The way they seemed to celebrate when SA didn't match the offer sheet made it seem like they did feel really suppressed with the Spurs. Now he's with a new team that obviously believes in him and invested him and who needs his skills, and he's pretty much the same, if not even a little more passive offensively. It's messed up.Maybe he won't do anything until he's expiring and really feels his NBA mortality.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I always thought he was decent as a role player in the right situations. Not a $9.4M per year guy. The Spurs were right to let him walk. He was never going to be a game changer, but he'd be a good, albeit small, piece on a championship caliber team. This Spurs team isn't deep enough to maximize the talent he has to offer.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I always thought he was decent as a role player in the right situations. Not a $9.4M per year guy. The Spurs were right to let him walk. He was never going to be a game changer, but he'd be a good, albeit small, piece on a championship caliber team. This Spurs team isn't deep enough to maximize the talent he has to offer.

Let me put it a different way...if the NBA gave out an 11th man award, Kyle might just get it.

[spurraider21]

Seriously, though, Kyle and his father seemed to believe that Pop wasn't letting Anderson flourish. It's easy to look at someone who doesn't play with confidence and argue that the coach should be able to fix that. I did that with Anderson; a lot of folks are doing that with Bertans right now. The way they seemed to celebrate when SA didn't match the offer sheet made it seem like they did feel really suppressed with the Spurs. Now he's with a new team that obviously believes in him and invested him and who needs his skills, and he's pretty much the same, if not even a little more passive offensively. It's messed up.Maybe he won't do anything until he's expiring and really feels his NBA mortality.
kyle's father, kawhi's uncle... smh

[Brazil]

I can understand people that still are discussing about Kawhi or even Tony but Kyle fucking Anderson :lol

[Mugen]

^ No one's talking about Tony, Bra :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Let me put it a different way...if the NBA gave out an 11th man award, Kyle might just get it.

this. His biggest advantage is that he can play 4 positions, so wherever you got an injury you could plug him in. 11th man is his ideal role

[SAGirl]

Had a good game tonight. Grizzlies won over Denver.

Surprised how many followers he has tbh.

[ElNono]

^ No one's talking about Tony, Bra :lol

:lol

[Othyus Lalanne]

No he's not, Kyle has a 4 year guaranteed contract. Simmons is done next season. After that he's going to be scrambling for the vet min, given how his ORL time has gone. He's also going to be 31, and doesn't have the best locker room reputation...

Could you bread down some of that bad locker room reputation for me?

[TimDunkem]

He was just a younger, nutless version of Dante Cunningham.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs really miss him, his defense and steady game is really helping Memphis..

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Spurs really miss him, his defense and steady game is really helping Memphis..
Not for 4 years 36 million they don't. That was a bullet dodged. They more miss having a SF who isn't injured all the time

[SouthTexasRancher]

I miss ol' SloMo. He was unexciting to watch but, every night you could count on him for both defensive and offensive rebounds and some nights a bunch of them. He always had one of more blocks, steals and assists. He was Hi BB IQ. We could really use him and Danny Green right now. Defense is pretty much non existent with this shit stew team.

[ElNono]

Spurs really miss him, his defense and steady game is really helping Memphis..

:lol

[emanueldavidginobili]

He has 3 games this season with 4 steals and had back to back 13 rebound games before playing tonight. He has intangebles that no one on this current spur team really has

[Dverde]

I don’t miss fathead whatsoever

[Chinook]

Considering they're playing Cun and Pon, yeah, they miss Anderson. It's hard to pay him so much if he won't actually try to be a plus on offense, though. He'd be the third-best big on the team right now, and had the team known Forbes was going to be a regular starter, they could have made Anderson work with DeRozan and Aldridge. Still, I understand letting him go, because they needed a better SF than Kyle. They just didn't get it.