Shams: Spurs & Toronto Engaged in Serious Trade Talks Centered Around Kawhi & DeRozan

[YoungbuckMurray]

If this happens it is good for Spurs. DeRozan is a true Allstar with s couple years left on his contract. Leonard is shipped out of the conference and punished by having to live in cold weather and pay high taxes.

I really think Kawhi has a chronic injury and the Spurs are lucky to get an Allstar player who is more of a sure thing in exchange for him.

Ya maybe a chronic injury in the head. The more and more ridiculous stories come out about him and his camp the more and more I feel like he was fairly healthy last year

[Killakobe81]

A third string point guard, a bench forward and a forward who has the mentality of a 6 year old out, in an all star shooting guard, Walker, Belinelli, Cunningham, possibly a couple others. Yeah, let’s reference 2k to back up that winning argument.

Nicca you can not have it BOTH ways.
All we heard is his was an MVP candidate.
Spurs had leverage.
Top 5 player some of you even said he was better than durant and even some Lebron.
You trading him for DD.
You can spin things however you want ...

In: DD, Bellinelli, cunningham
Out: KL, Kyle, Tony

No way is that a "win".
You can say because KL or his asshole he hurt your bargaining power and I agree.

But the net result is a loss, period.
Spur fan tries to laugh because we lost Randle for the cap space we used to sign rondo but that is aone year deal not 3 and Randle is nowhere close to being good as Kawhi.

[baseline bum]

I really think Kawhi has a chronic injury and the Spurs are lucky to get an Allstar player who is more of a sure thing in exchange for him.

He's fine, the pos held out last season.

[Shastafarian]

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[benefactor]

Why are you doing this to yourself? He doesn't want you, daddy isn't coming back home..the new step dad isn't as fun, but he's a nice guy, give him a chance..
:lol

[MoSpur02]

Pop wanted to meet with Kawhi before any trade talks went down like a week or so ago. I posted about it here. Not sure when. I think a little over a week ago. Not sure if Pop got that meeting because apparently Kawhi and his camp have been difficult. So the Spurs really didn't want to trade Kawhi, but he did NOT want to be here whatsoever. So its not like the Spurs didn't try to make this better. I just can't wait for the stories from Michael C Wright to come out with those stories.

[baseline bum]

Nicca you can not have it BOTH ways.
All we heard is his was an MVP candidate.
Spurs had leverage.
Top 5 player some of you even said he was better than durant and even some Lebron.
You trading him for DD.
You can spin things however you want ...

In: DD, Bellinelli, cunningham
Out: KL, Kyle, Tony

No way is that a "win".
You can say because KL or his asshole he hurt your bargaining power and I agree.

But the net result is a loss, period.
Spur fan tries to laugh because we lost Randle for the cap space we used to sign rondo but that is aone year deal not 3 and Randle is nowhere close to being good as Kawhi.

Of course it's a loss and a huge one. Unless Philly was going to offer Simmons there was no chance of getting anything approaching equal value.

[benefactor]

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And there it is

[szkorhetz]

The end of an era.
Thankfully.

[r0drig0lac]

done deal

[szkorhetz]

:bobo

[Mr. Body]

Sounding like OG is not in the package? That would suck and be very surprising, leaving no young SF on the roster.

[siraulo23]

:wow

Derozan, I’d rather have Kyle Anderson tbh :lol

[YoungbuckMurray]

Sounding like OG is not in the package? That would suck and be very surprising, leaving no young SF on the roster.
where did you hear OG wasn’t included?

[DPG21920]

I don’t think OG will be included unfortunately - hope I am wrong.

I would love OG + a pick. If not, at least get a good pick and maybe send out Pau or Mills.

[BatManu20]

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[cutewizard]

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Details pls.....

[blizz]

Larger. Wow. Who else???

[BatManu20]

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[sasaint]

Pop wanted to meet with Kawhi before any trade talks went down like a week or so ago. I posted about it here. Not sure when. I think a little over a week ago. Not sure if Pop got that meeting because apparently Kawhi and his camp have been difficult. So the Spurs really didn't want to trade Kawhi, but he did NOT want to be here whatsoever. So its not like the Spurs didn't try to make this better. I just can't wait for the stories from Michael C Wright to come out with those stories.

I'm with you. Can't wait, and yet I will be glad to move on from the drama and have a roster that is fairly settled to cheer for.

[99 Problems]

:bobo :claw

[DPG21920]

Major props to Manu4Tres and Mo. They have been all over the TOR stuff way before it was known/obvious :tu

[TheCerebral1]

Can we flip DeRozan immediately, because honestly he's one of the most overrated basketball players in the league. I'd rather just move on from this entire roster and remold everything. Hopefully, OG Anunoby is in the deal. I would have rather traded for Jonas Valanciunas.

[look_at_g_shred]

Major props to Manu4Tres and Mo. They have been all over the TOR stuff way before it was known/obvious :tu
Forreal

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Break a leg, snake.

[MoSpur02]

Woj indicated larger pieces will be part of it. Wonder what those pieces are. I heard last week Danny Green might be one of the pieces. I really hope not.

[davidbowie]

thanks for 2014 kawhi. cant believe you turned into such a hoe. peace.

[r0drig0lac]

Raptors fans are in for a treat. I wonder what his new forum handle will be.

realgm for sure

[MoSpur02]

Per Woj, "The San Antonio-Toronto deal has been close for DAYS and nearly FALLEN apart several times, league sources tell ESPN."

[benefactor]

If they can salary dump Patty as a part of this deal it will be much more palatable.

[bklynspursfan]

Hard for him to do after his 100% health claims.

When did that happen? I seem to remember Jabari Dennis saying he was like 96/97% during an interview, but it's possible I missed it during this mess

[sasaint]

Woj indicated larger pieces will be part of it. Wonder what those pieces are. I heard last week Danny Green might be one of the pieces. I really hope not.

Green out and no OG in would really sour this deal for me.

[Fireball]

bye Kawhi

[DesignatedT]

Hopefully they throw in Mills and Gasol lol

Unfortunately for Toronto, it seems like green is the contract they would ultimately want.

Just want OG in the deal and a future 1st or two.

[baseline bum]

When did that happen? I seem to remember Jabari Dennis saying he was like 96/97% during an interview, but it's possible I missed it during this mess

Around the draft.

[Ron Swanson]

Bye Canuck Marauder.

[sasaint]

Break a leg, snake.

I don't wish him any physical harm. I just hope that when he gets in a new environment (teammates, system, coaches, city and prying media that won't give him a pass like in SA) that his game goes down hill.

[picnroll]

Hoping it’s the frickin coldest, greyest winter in Toronto’s history.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I hope Pau is in that deal. I can see him going to Toronto

[YoungbuckMurray]

Hoping it’s the frickin coldest, greyest winter in Toronto’s history.

Would suck because I love close to Toronto but holy am I hoping for this too. Screw this mute diva

[DPG21920]

Woj indicated larger pieces will be part of it. Wonder what those pieces are. I heard last week Danny Green might be one of the pieces. I really hope not.

It makes sense. If TOR is trying to clear the decks, Danny is a perfect trade piece. I really, really hope sa got OG for adding Danny though.

I love Danny, he’s been so loyal, but when he opted in this was always possible with that deal of his.

[baseline bum]

I don't wish him any physical harm. I just hope that when he gets in a new environment (teammates, system, coaches, city and prying media that won't give him a pass like in SA) that his game goes down hill.

I hope he tears his achilles on the toilet.

[Seventyniner]

I can't see the Raptors accepting Mills. His deal is one year too long. In the worst case (Kawhi walks) they have DeRozan's salary off the books.

[BatManu20]

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[FkLA]

I don't like DD but some positives spin...
SPURS will make him play defense and Chip can refine his 3 ball and though his contract is awful you have him for 2 years then he is a valuable expiring in year 3...
Other than that LOL :lmao
Yall turned Kawhi, Kyle Anderson and Parker in to DD, Beli and Dante Cunningham...

Right, because this is a straight up Kawhi for DD trade. :rolleyes

:lol at the LAvengers going from LBJ-Kawhi-PG13 to LBJ-Rondo-Stephenson

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzMHPEEu830

[Isitjustme?]

This is some sad shit

[lmbebo]

I hope he tears his achilles on the toilet.


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[Bill_Brasky]

Nice.

[Trueblood]

Irony= reports Kawhi will do the team USA mini camp one day before being traded to Canada.

Those of you complaining we're getting fleeced, name one deal that's been offered better than this.

LA won't give up young prospects and want to rely on picks. Spurs know with Kawhi and LeBron on the team for the foreseeable future those picks might as well already be numbers 29 or 30.

Philly and Boston both only offered pick heavy trades. But they know full well that those picks (even if Kawhi bolts) will be mid to late 20's (ESPECIALLY because theyplay in the East.

No other team is offering us anything of value and you're complaining about a packet involving an all star, a young prospect and most likely a pick. What do you think is better than that?

Kawhi isn't coming back and if he goes into USA mini camp and looks anything shy of 100% you'll see all the offers dry up and now we're dragging Kawhi into training camp hoping he can get back to full strength while playing disgruntled basketball so we can get back to the trade offers we currently have.

We all have our preferences. I'd personally like to see Kawhi for butler then wait a year till Kyrie comes to join him. But it doesn't look like those offers are coming. At least in this move we aren't losing Kawhi for nothing AND we get the satisfaction of sending him and his team to up north to freeze his corn rows off.

[Spurs da champs]

If they can salary dump Patty as a part of this deal it will be much more palatable.

They got Lowry, Van Vleet & Wright. It has to be Gasoft.

[TheCerebral1]

Kawai went from franchise savior and team identity to a cowardly disgrace. Go play ball elsewhere you whining bitch.

[BatManu20]

Wow Kawhi and Danny for DD, Poeltl, & a pick .... No OG AND we didn't dump Pau or Patty.. We got fleeced.


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[MoSpur02]

Wow. Sucks OG isn't coming back to the Spurs.

[FkLA]

Really no OG? Come on man. That's bad.

[polandprzem]

Wow Kawhi and Danny for DD, Poeltl, & a pick .... No OG. Sucks


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Are you joking or what?

[jyra]

Toronto doesn't own any other picks so that's just going to be a end of the first round pick. That's pretty bad..

[lmbebo]

Horrible trade ...

[Mr. Body]

No OG. Great.

[szkorhetz]

Protected pick? WTF? Poetl?
Still having Gasol?

[Spurs da champs]

Lmao, no OG?

[polandprzem]

1st round exit again

[FkLA]

Come on man :pctoss:

[r0drig0lac]

wtf this shit

[gambit1990]

:rolleyes

[davidbowie]

we need danny. who the hell is gonna play defense

[Josepatches_]

Terrible

[BatManu20]

Fucking RC you bum :lol

[baseline bum]

WTF, gave up Green and didn't get OG? :pctoss

[sasaint]

Really no OG? Come on man. That's bad.

Wow. Can we take a Mulligan, go back to draft night and take the Clippers picks and Harris?

[BatManu20]

We lost Danny, didn't get OG or Siakam, and didn't dump either of Pau or Patty... what a disappointing trade

[daslicer]

We lost Danny, didn't get OG or Siakam, and didn't dump either of Pau or Patty... what a disappointing trade

Yup it sucks.

[Budkin]

Spurs got torched. No OG?? No Ibaka?? AND we give up Green??

[daslicer]

We lost Danny, didn't get OG or Siakam, and didn't dump either of Pau or Patty... what a disappointing trade

Yup it sucks.

[2Cleva]

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[baseline bum]

I wonder what the protection looks like. I imagine it's lottery protected for at least 2019 and 2020.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Meh, not great but it is what it is, still better than any package reported. Time to move on.

[MannyIsGod]

Wow Kawhi and Danny for DD, Poeltl, & a pick .... No OG AND we didn't dump Pau or Patty.. We got fleeced.


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I told you guys all fucking off season. We were ALWAYS going to get fleeced. I'm shocked they got someone as good as DeRozan back, honestly.

[2Cleva]

I wonder what the protection looks like. I imagine it's lottery protected for at least 2019 and 2020.

Adrian Wojnarowski
Source: Toronto's first-round pick to San Antonio is protected 1-20. After one year, it becomes two second-round picks.

[playblair]

I wonder what the protection looks like. I imagine it's lottery protected for at least 2019 and 2020.

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[SuperCam]

Wow Kawhi and Danny for DD, Poeltl, & a pick .... No OG AND we didn't dump Pau or Patty.. We got fleeced.


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This is the deal PATFO took rather than Ingram or Kuzma? PATFO slurpers try :downspin:this




baseline bum you still happy PATFO didn't settle for laker trash? :lol

[sasaint]

We lost Danny, didn't get OG or Siakam, and didn't dump either of Pau or Patty... what a disappointing trade

The worst part may be having to deal with Pinoy Marauder's gloating over the rape of the Spurs.

[TekXX]

Umm is this the offcial Kawhibitch got traded thread?

[Spurs da champs]

Great risk by Toronto they keep OG & Siakam. Spurs don't have a damn wing defender now.

[YoungbuckMurray]

What’s poeltl’s potential that’s probably the biggest question. If he has high upside and pop can get him to reach it then this deal may not be so bad. Anyone got a good idea?

[BD24]

What a fucking shit trade :lol

We get a shittier version of Kawhi who is older, a protected pick, and a big goofy Euro bust :lol

I had faith in PATFO to make a decent trade, but jesus I can't think of a trade that would have been worse than this :lol

[baseline bum]

I told you guys all fucking off season. We were ALWAYS going to get fleeced. I'm shocked they got someone as good as DeRozan back, honestly.

Yeah I can't complain too much, at least they didn't get total crap like Harris or Ingram.

[MannyIsGod]

This is better than anything reported from Philly, Boston, or LA for sure. I'm not sad about Danny as it was likely time to move on but dude was a great Spur and I'll remember him fondly.

[picnroll]

Trust the process :lol

[BatManu20]

RC Buford got taken out back to the woodshed. Awful.


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[SpursDynasty85]

I told you guys all fucking off season. We were ALWAYS going to get fleeced. I'm shocked they got someone as good as DeRozan back, honestly.

This boards expectation was too high. Now so many on this board is dissappointed. Maybe there will be more details out but not picking up another SF hurts. Hopefully this Jakob Poetl guy is good. His per minute averages are good.

[MoSpur02]

Spurs didn't take Deng's contract. That right there is a win.

[CitizenDwayne]

This is the deal PATFO took rather than Ingram or Kuzma? PATFO slurpers try :downspin:this




baseline bum (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=131) you still happy PATFO didn't settle for laker trash? :lol
Lakers never offered Ingram or Kuzma. They offered shit. PHI and BOS also offered shit.

[smaka]

Still better than anything from fucking Lakers. Plus Kawhi's clown ass shipped to cold Toronto instead of LA. Let him rot there, lmao.

[NameLess Scrub]

Giving a superstar for a mid range chucker, and still give away your best and 3&D player :lol

Wondering where's the genius of the Spurs FO

[bklynspursfan]

I told you guys all fucking off season. We were ALWAYS going to get fleeced. I'm shocked they got someone as good as DeRozan back, honestly.

Exactly

[r0drig0lac]

RC was completely destroyed, I think the goal was to fuck Kawhi's group more than anything

[dabom]

Green wasn't gonna get minutes with DR. We still need a backup 3.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I am saddened that the Spurs are losing Danny Green. He was the model player here - always working hard to improve and raised his limited game so much. He became a fantastic defender, he signed on a low paying contract relative to the market when he did that and he was an integral part of the Spurs championship winning team in 2014. Raptors have gotten themselves a fantastic steal in him. If Kawhi ends up staying in Toronto, this would be a grand larceny by Masai Ujiri. But sadly, the Spurs' hand was forced. Gay, DeRozan and Aldridge.. wow. its underwhelming.

[picnroll]

Good news, more playing time for Murray, White and maybe Walker.

Trust the process :lol

[r0drig0lac]

This boards expectation was too high. Now so many on this board is dissappointed. Maybe there will be more details out but not picking up another SF hurts. Hopefully this Jakob Poetl guy is good. His per minute averages are good.

hum...and?

[Trill Clinton]

Good deal. Lakers were never giving up their young talent and Toronto got a rental. Fuck LA they can wait a year.

[Budkin]

I still would have rather kept Kawhi and let him walk.

[dabom]

I also like Pau. And green has been shit for 3 years already. Cue greatyatch. :lol

[rasuo214]

Spurs didn't take Deng's contract. That right there is a win.

They took Derozan's contract though. I would have rather taken the Philly deal. What's the point in being a middling playoff team?

[Jdspur20]

Wonder if spurs are done yet. Possibly Gasol and Mills on the move? At this point why not???

[baseline bum]

This is the deal PATFO took rather than Ingram or Kuzma? PATFO slurpers try :downspin:this




baseline bum you still happy PATFO didn't settle for laker trash? :lol

Yes, I'm glad they didn't take the Lakers trash and reward that mute faggot at the same time. One above average player is better than two below average.

[picnroll]

... and it’ll satisfying knowing Kawhitter is freezing his ass off for a year.


Trust the process. :lol

[TekXX]

You motherfuckers knew any trade was gonna suck and you guys are here complaining, just STFU and lets move forward finally.

[BillMc]

We lost Danny, didn't get OG or Siakam, and didn't dump either of Pau or Patty... what a disappointing trade

I would want more too, but I don't think Danny was in their long range plans anyway.

KL put Spurs in a lousy position. I would have preferred Kyrie if Spurs went the veteran route, but DD is locked up longer.

Not sure how good a DeMar and LaMar lead team can be? I'd say a playoff team, maybe even top 4 in West.

Danny's removal means more room for our young guards.

Patty and maybe Manu are the last ones standing from the championship 4 years ago. Wow. Who would have thought that?

[SuperCam]

Lakers never offered Ingram or Kuzma. They offered shit. PHI and BOS also offered shit.

who knows what boston offered last february to be honest.




1-20 protected. the deal centerpieced around dochoken? :lol


the two lotto pick deal on the table from clippers would have been a far better haul than this. PATFO got azzraped

[polandprzem]

So we lost two guys that can handle any NBA lineup defensively for a guy who is just midrange shooter with no killer instinct and defense.

Basically Spurs surrendered and have no hopes for title anytime soon

[SAGirl]

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20 years old and he looks like an old man there...

[Trainwreck2100]

RC Buford got taken out back to the woodshed. Awful.


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If it's a 2020 pick they're getting it next year Tor should be top 10 in league

[Ron Swanson]

Nothing like a good ST meltdown.

[Mr. Body]

Kawhi screwed the Spurs, the team that made him. They never got good offers and his team kept working to ensure they never got anything. What he's done may be worse than Durant, tbh.

I get ridding themselves of him instead of trying anything out. The roster is a disaster right now, no young SF and no prospects there.

But I see this as a screw you as much as anything else. Send him from a no income tax state to a high tax country where the weather is opposite from LA.

Anyway, the Duncan era is officially over. Kawhi killed it.

[jyra]

Pöltl looks like a decent player but Milutinov could have filled the same role.

[keithington1]

Murray Mills Forbes
Derozan White Walker
Bertans Belinilli Ginobili
Gay Poeltl Cunningham
Aldridge Gasol

[stu scotts eye]

Yall are crazy. And a bunch of parrots.

[r0drig0lac]

So we lost two guys that can handle any NBA lineup defensively for a guy who is just midrange shooter with no killer instinct and defense.

Basically Spurs surrendered and have no hopes for title anytime soon

funny

[jag]

Murray Mills Forbes
Derozan White Walker
Bertans Belinilli Ginobili
Gay Poeltl Cunningham
Aldridge Gasol

that's depressing af

[Obi Wan Ginobili 20]

At least we are able to move on from this Kawhi drama. I'm actually excited for the upcoming season. Aldridge-Gay-Derozan-Murray-White should be fun.

[Chomag]

Please take the Keys away from RC Drunkfard

[cd021]

If it's a 2020 pick they're getting it next year Tor should be top 10 in league

I doubt that pick conveys; Toronto would be without Kawhi in 2020 presumably, with an aging

[weebo]

Whata shit trade. :lol Might as well trade LMA now. Who gives a shit about staying competitive if you know you have no shot at winning the 'chip.

[midnightpulp]

:tu Spurs FO. Didn't yield to the shit Lakers and sent Kawhi to the last city he probably wants to be in :lol. This (or forcing him to play next season) was really the only logical move. At least by sending him to Toronto, the Spurs get a little something back while "punishing" Kiwi and Dennis for a season. His camp is probably fuming right now. Hope that cold makes your quad ache, faggot.

[cutewizard]

A little bit sad but we have to move on...........

[look_at_g_shred]

So we lost two guys that can handle any NBA lineup defensively for a guy who is just midrange shooter with no killer instinct and defense.

Basically Spurs surrendered and have no hopes for title anytime soon
That's funny because Green was never appreciated here and everyone wanted him gone. Now that he is, everyone is bitching. Funny shit really.

[Quiet Strength]

Any second now I'm going to wake up from this bad dream... Right? Fuck!

[Robz4000]

:lmao holy shit Spurs, what an awful trade. At least it was a fuck you to Kawhi.

[cutewizard]

A little bit sad but we have to move on...........

[cutewizard]

Sucks that we didnt get any of OG or Siakam, ohhhhh god

Derozan better have chemistry with Mills and Belli and Lamarcus and Gasol

[SpursDynasty85]

hum...and?

Lol. Obviously I know nothing about the guy other than he got minutes in a loaded front court and that a few posters mentioned his names as someone desirable PLUS his per minute averages for a 59 win team were pretty good. All I'm saying. Spurs definitely needed another BIG. I guess DeRozan, Gay, and Bertans can share as PF and SF. Aldridge can finally play more PF with Poetle maybe. We shall see. We probably finish around 50 to 54 wins. Sucks but Kawhi and his group screwed us but we will still likely see 2 rounds in the playoffs this year.

[bigfan]

wonder how long til he starts faking his physical to cancel the trade?

[r0drig0lac]

That's funny because Green was never appreciated here and everyone wanted him gone. Now that he is, everyone is bitching. Funny shit really.

you're correct, plus the funniest part is believing that Kawhi was in the spurs

[FkLA]

I would've not only been ok but actually happy and excited if OG was included. Him not being a part of it completely changed everything. This is depressing af.

Fuck you you mute autist.

[FkLA]

I would've not only been ok but actually happy and excited if OG was included. Him not being a part of it completely changed everything. This is depressing af.

Fuck you you mute autist.

[boutons_deux]

Huge delay with ST

I get a consistent 175 ms ping time to the server with or without ST delay, so I'm guessing the delay is within the server.

[r0drig0lac]

Lol. Obviously I know nothing about the guy other than he got minutes in a loaded front court and that a few posters mentioned his names as someone desirable PLUS his per minute averages for a 59 win team were pretty good. All I'm saying. Spurs definitely needed another BIG. I guess DeRozan, Gay, and Bertans can share as PF and SF. Aldridge can finally play more PF with Poetle maybe. We shall see. We probably finish around 50 to 54 wins. Sucks but Kawhi and his group screwed us but we will still likely see 2 rounds in the playoffs this year.

I understand your point, we still have a problem on sf slot imo

[InRareForm]

Spurs odds of winning title went to 200 to 1. Un heard of

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[bklynspursfan]

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Poor kids never stood a chance

[Capt Bringdown]

Whata shit trade. :lol Might as well trade LMA now. Who gives a shit about staying competitive if you know you have no shot at winning the 'chip.

What trade would have made the Spurs have a legit chance against GS? Nobody is beating those cats.

[szkorhetz]

Now do everything to get Love.

[SpursDynasty85]

I understand your point, we still have a problem on sf slot imo

True. Well DeRozan is the starting SF imo. A good one at that. His back up is the problem. Will be filled by a combination of small ball or Gay, Bertans, and Cunningham. Not ideal, but J suppose doable.

[noles1983]

Can we trade the corpse of Gasol since we have a real C now?

[bklynspursfan]

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[PuzzBeterson]

So...

Murray
DD
Gay?
LMA
Gasol/Poeltl

Where does this leave White?

[szkorhetz]

Can we trade the corpse of Gasol since we have a real C now?
Use his almost expiring to get Love

[SAGirl]

Sounding like OG is not in the package? That would suck and be very surprising, leaving no young SF on the roster.
In one month

Losses: Kawhi, Danny and Kyle.

Spurs new wings: Derozan, Belinelli, Cunnigham. :wow

Gay? Bertans? Walker? BP3?

[djohn2oo8]

RC just needs to tear it down and rebuild.

[iGetbuckets]

Acting like the spurs were gonna get an all star and Toronto’s best young prospect for a rental

[bklynspursfan]

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[bklynspursfan]

So...

Murray
DD
Gay?
LMA
Gasol/Poeltl

Where does this leave White?

Gasol can't be starting.

They could go smaller:

Murray
White
DeRozan
Gay
LMA

[spursistan]

Why the hell the separate thread BatManu20 ? let's just keep it in one place until his ass get shipped..

[Spur|n|Austin]

Great news this morning!! Take a hike Kawhi! Hope you and uncle Denny have parkas!

Welcome DeRozan!

[RD2191]

Not a bad haul all things considered. Still in shock that this happened with Kawhi though. Insane.

[8FOR!3]

People bitching on here bc they didn't get what they want sound like Kawhi's camp. We got a star back for multiple years who elevated his game last year and could potentially continue to next year under Pop. Poeltl isn't Anunoby or Siakam on return but he's still a 22 year old 7 footer who moves well and has good upside.

And we got to stick it to Kawhi and his camp, he didn't get what he wanted, and we made the Lakers window one year shorter. This trade was a win. We were a playoff team last year and this year we should have enough internal improvement with the young guards to be better and DeRozan/Poeltl make us a better team on top of it. Yeah I would have rather gotten rid of Gasol/Patty but we did the best we could with the leverage we had.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's a good trade when you consider what the Spurs' goals were. They want to compete RIGHT NOW while Pop is still around and they didn't want to send Kawhi to the Lakers. I hate DeRozan's game and this will be the most unlikable Spurs team I've ever watched, but getting him makes the Spurs much better next season.

In a vacuum, it's a terrible trade, but context and circumstances matter.

[superbigtime]

Really bad trade here. Losing Green for nothing. A junk Euro. No OG. Didn't shed any bad contracts. RC gave in. I am disgusted.

[objective]

First impressions: awful deal without OG

Would have rather had no pick involved and OG instead of Poertl.

Losing Green ... Who is guarding any of the SFs of the league? Belineli? Hilliard? It sure isn't DeRozan.

Why bother trading Kawhi if they aren't going to be competitive even? And without any other player who can play SF, they can't be.

They caved, they were weak.

[bklynspursfan]

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[DesignatedT]

All boils down to the health of Kawhi. Who knows if he's even the same player he used to be. If he isn't, the Spurs might have made out better than people think.

[Mugen]

:lol How do you not get OG in the deal?

[FkLA]

Losing nephew, LDN, and Fathead is a huge blow to the defense. I guess the 2011 Spurs are back.

:depressed

[RD2191]

Toronto did us a solid here, they're taking a huge risk here. I can see why they didn't want to let go of a promising young prospect.

[NASpurs]

Hopefully Kawhi slips on a piece of ice and has a career ending injury.

[FkLA]

Now do everything to get Love.

What the hell is wrong with You?

[RD2191]

Our defense though :lol

[resistanze]

What possible value could the Spurs get for a player that refuses to play sabotaged his own trade value? They got a regular season all-star that allows them to compete now. No team in the fucking NBA was giving up young assets for a Kawhit rental.

[objective]

It's a good trade when you consider what the Spurs' goals were. They want to compete RIGHT NOW while Pop is still around and they didn't want to send Kawhi to the Lakers. I hate DeRozan's game and this will be the most unlikable Spurs team I've ever watched, but getting him makes the Spurs much better next season.

In a vacuum, it's a bad trade, but context and circumstances matter.

But they aren't really competing this season without a small forward or someone who can guard small forwards.

This is where not matching on Anderson is a problem, or including Green is a problem. They have to wait until next summer to get a SF, but they won't have any money in a summer where everyone else does.

It's not a good trade for competing now, and a bad trade for clearing the decks also.

[loveforthegame]

Spurs had to do what they had to but sucks they couldn’t get OG or Siakim. Poor Green. He’s probably pissed he opted in now.

[SAGirl]

Wow Kawhi and Danny for DD, Poeltl, & a pick .... No OG AND we didn't dump Pau or Patty.. We got fleeced.


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[Mugen]

Just a really awful trade all around but. At least the cancer is gone and Pop exiled him about as far as you could from LA :lol

[Chillen]

Use his almost expiring to get Love

I am fine with trading Pau if it's for Kevin Love but why would the Cavs want to do that? Spurs could use the pick and Pau they got from Toronto.

[Chillen]

Just a really awful trade all around but. At least the cancer is gone and Pop exiled him about as far as you could from LA :lol

Kawhi created such a stink the Spurs got the best haul they could for him. I guess they did not want this dragging on in whats left of the summer and training camp.

[NASpurs]

Just a really awful trade all around but. At least the cancer is gone and Pop exiled him about as far as you could from LA :lol

:lol Pop just shipped his ass to another country.

[gameFACE]

It’s probably as good a trade as the Spurs we’re going to get. Time to embrace a La De De trio.

[gameFACE]

It’s probably as good a trade as the Spurs we’re going to get. Time to embrace a La De De trio.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

But they aren't really competing this season without a small forward or someone who can guard small forwards.

This is where not matching on Anderson is a problem, or including Green is a problem. They have to wait until next summer to get a SF, but they won't have any money in a summer where everyone else does.

It's not a good trade for competing now, and a bad trade for clearing the decks also.

Clearing cap space will be much easier and cheaper next summer. Denver got rid of two bad contracts and from tax hell at the cost of a second round pick when there were only like 3 or 4 teams with cap space.

Spurs will have no problem creating room if they need it, question is whether they could attract anyone who'd be worth it. Would love Pau and one or both first round picks to Minny for Butler.

[spursistan]

Feel for my guy Uriel, sounds like a little kid begging his parents to get back together:lol
:lmao

[spursistan]

Enjoy going to work on a dogsled you dumb fuck :lmao
:lol

[spursistan]

Why are you doing this to yourself? He doesn't want you, daddy isn't coming back home..the new step dad isn't as fun, but he's a nice guy, give him a chance..
holy shit again :lmao..

[Mugen]

Not matching on Fathead makes zero sense now in retrospect at least the FO hated him as much as I did :lol

As presently constructed, this team is a 6-8th seed so I'm not sure how it's much better than last season.....

[RD2191]

Not matching on Fathead makes zero sense now in retrospect at least the FO hated him as much as I did :lol

As presently constructed, this team is a 6-8th seed so I'm not sure how it's much better than last season.....

Bullshit bruh. Spurs were almost a 3 seed last season with Kawhi and other players missing significant time. The West isn't as good as it once was. 3 thru 8 are basically toss ups imo. Don't discount Pop's regular season machine either tbh

[Chillen]

People making it like Pop wanted to send Kawhi to Canada. I think this was the best deal Spurs could get for him and this is a sad trade because Kawhi is a top 3 NBA player. It just that he has lowered his trade value to the point where DeMar is the best Spurs could get.

It keeps the Spurs more than likely in the playoffs next season. Toronto has a shot to make the NBA finals if Kawhi doesn't turn into Kawhitter.

[SAS=Kawhi]

Giving up Danny in the trade is terrible. He was our best defensive player (excluding KL) and the only guy on the team that could defend and shoot. You need players like that to win in the playoffs. Even though Poetl might be a good asset in the future he doesnt fill the void left by Green. Personally I would rather have traded KL-->DDR instead of this trade. In my eyes there is no way as currently constructed this team can challenge for even the conference title. To succeed in the West playoffs you need Wing defenders and we had Danny and Kawhi and now have DDR and Belli/LW4/White. If they really wanted Green it was crucial that we got OG back.
Oh well maybe Pop can turn DDR and White into decent defenders and we can fight for HCA

[Mugen]

Bullshit bruh. Spurs were almost a 3 seed last season with Kawhi and other players missing significant time. The West isn't as good as it once was. 3 thru 8 are basically toss ups imo. Don't discount Pop's regular season machine either tbh

I don't see a 3seed unless Murray somehow makes a monumental leap next year. Spurs have zero depth/defense at the 3 spot now tbh.

[SAGirl]

Small consolation prize. If Kiwi is in MVP from next season, I bet he will absolutely wreck the 76ers and their fascination with Fultz... Stepping all over Ainge will also feel nice.

I don't recognize the Spurs. How are Mills and Belli the only leftovers from 2014?

[Chillen]

Giving up Danny in the trade is terrible. He was our best defensive player (excluding KL) and the only guy on the team that could defend and shoot. You need players like that to win in the playoffs.

It's possible Spurs could do another trade or two. Not sure if this Spurs roster is set yet it could be.

[loveforthegame]

It would have been better if DeRozan wasn’t depressed about it.

[FkLA]

Not matching on Fathead makes zero sense now in retrospect at least the FO hated him as much as I did :lol

As presently constructed, this team is a 6-8th seed so I'm not sure how it's much better than last season.....

2nd/3rd seed imo

But with no shot of even being a dark horse. The defense takes a huge hit hit with the departure of our 3 best defensive wings. Basically the 2011 Spurs all over again. Really needed OG included.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's going to be so strange watching the Spurs this season:lol

Such a weird mix of players, the rotation is going to be so complicated to figure out.

[kaji157]

It is not a done deal. Please wait to panic.
I feel there will be a third team involved.

[SAS=Kawhi]

It's possible Spurs could do another trade or two. Not sure if this Spurs roster is set yet it could be.
Hope so. Wouldn't mind trading Patty for someone on a equally bad contract but that could defend the wing better.

[weebo]

What trade would have made the Spurs have a legit chance against GS? Nobody is beating those cats.

Create more cap space if anything. Try for FA next year.

[ernest787]

I wanted OG, but figured it was a long shot they included him. I don't love Derozan but it was clear the Spurs did not want a full rebuild. DeRozan will help them compete next year and the team will likely win 50+ games and be a top 4 seed.

They should have 2 first round picks next year, plus Gasol's deal will be very tradable. Add that to Murry (who I expect to take another big step forward) and white/walker and I like the foundation.

I also don't believe they are done yet, and expect another FA or smaller move to be made to bring in a defensive wing.

[r0drig0lac]

Bullshit bruh. Spurs were almost a 3 seed last season with Kawhi and other players missing significant time. The West isn't as good as it once was. 3 thru 8 are basically toss ups imo. Don't discount Pop's regular season machine either tbh

rockets is not guaranteed in the top 2, in fact a disgruntled Capela and the loss of Ariza are likely to make this team much worse than last season

[Killakobe81]

Great risk by Toronto they keep OG & Siakam. Spurs don't have a damn wing defender now.

That was my immediate thoughts. I get that Lakers were a no-go.
I dont even care I wanted to keep Ingram and to a lessor extent Kuzma but would let him gor Kawhi.

you could argue even injured that your top 3 defenders (and wing defense) last year were Kawhi, Green and Kyle. you replaced them with DD, Bellinelli and Cunningham. Only DC is a plus on defense and I doubt he plays much.

On offense you have 3 iso scorers Murray, Gay and DD but now have 3 bigs Potel, Pau and Aldridge that will congest some of those driving lanes. Also aldridge and Gay like to score in some of the same spots DD does.

But hey yall did ship KL as far away from LA as possible ... nice job!

[rjv]

Not matching on Fathead makes zero sense now in retrospect at least the FO hated him as much as I did :lol

As presently constructed, this team is a 6-8th seed so I'm not sure how it's much better than last season.....


does any seed really matter in the age of the warriors?

[housious]

does any seed really matter in the age of the warriors?

Sure. It means you can make it to the WCF before losing to them.

Should every team just tank because Golden St is stacked?

[LkrFan]

Awwwe shiiiiiiiiiit!!! :lmao

[Spurs da champs]

That was my immediate thoughts. I get that Lakers were a no-go.
I dont even care I wanted to keep Ingram and to a lessor extent Kuzma but would let him gor Kawhi.

you could argue even injured that your top 3 defenders (and wing defense) last year were Kawhi, Green and Kyle. you replaced them with DD, Bellinelli and Cunningham. Only DC is a plus on defense and I doubt he plays much.

On offense you have 3 iso scorers Murray, Gay and DD but now have 3 bigs Potel, Pau and Aldridge that will congest some of those driving lanes. Also aldridge and Gay like to score in some of the same spots DD does.

But hey yall did ship KL as far away from LA as possible ... nice job!

Lakers played it smart & safe. Kawhi isn't a human being like Paul George. He will be a Laker next year.

[TimDunkem]

RC just needs to tear it down and rebuild.

Pop won't let him. RV Drunkford is a glorified secretary, tbh.

[stu scotts eye]

The fact that 3-8 in the West is a tossup. I'd argue we are better than last year. So ill take this deal.

In the end, who cares if we are 3rd or 7th. Can we match up with Golden State in the playoffs is all that matters. F Houston, we always find ways to beat Pringles.

Ill tell you what. Jakob has the footwork and Athleticism to better guard the switch than Gasol. Gives us a way to slide LMA to the 4.

If DJ improves his shot is the key imo. Get that guy confident in shooting opens up everything.

[exstatic]

I don't understand why the Spurs don't just play out the season and try to keep him. If the Spurs win 60 games and make the WCF, then offer the supermax next summer, why would Kawhi want to walk away from that? It's a win-win.

You're thinking rationally, where The Group is not. He has cash starved leeches wanting a payout. The CBA limits what an agent can take from an NBA contract, but there is no such limitation on outside endorsements. Impact could literally take half of the money from a shoe deal. They don't care about the SuperMax, but Kawhi should. He's the one taking a HUGE haircut on this.

[Mugen]

Murray/Pau/1st for Kemba + Batum....

Gotta keep shaping the roster if your goal is to be somewhat competitive with acquiring DeRozan.....

At least we didnt get that faggot Kyle Kuzma back in a trade, I would have probably slit my wrists if that were the case :lol

[NASpurs]

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[Ron Swanson]

It is not a done deal. Please wait to panic.
I feel there will be a third team involved.

Yes it is a done deal. Spurs have already officially released terms of the trade.

[rjv]

Sure. It means you can make it to the WCF before losing to them.

Should every team just tank because Golden St is stacked?

i'm not saying any team should tank but the point is that it's not as if the opportunity for a title has been lost. KL on the spurs next season would not have changed that.

[-21-]

Ugh. Disappointing. Good riddance.

[San Antonio Slayer]

at least Derozan is a better offensive player in terms of creating shots and penetration.

[loveforthegame]

Now that it’s official does that mean Kawhi passed his physical or Toronto waived it or whatever?

[FkLA]

Murray/Pau/1st for Kemba + Batum....

Gotta keep shaping the roster if your goal is to be somewhat competitive with acquiring DeRozan.....

At least we didnt get that faggot Kyle Kuzma back in a trade, I would have probably slit my wrists if that were the case :lol

Yeah, I mean if they were planning on getting another all-star if Kawhitter stayed might as well still do it. Trade whoever you have to other than LMA and Derozan.

[snickles]

Y He's the one taking a HUGE haircut on this.

gotta love autocorrect.

[Mugen]

Yeah, I mean if they were planning on getting another all-star if Kawhitter stayed might as well still do it. Trade whoever you have to other than LMA and Derozan.

Yup. If Pop is really hellbent on at least "contending" these next 2 years then might as well go all-in. As long as they keep 2 out Murray, Walker, and White, I'm fine with it.

This trade looks even worse if all they do is stand pat heading into next season.

[spursistan]

Let's not kid ourselves, it is an absolutely shitty return..It is what it is..guy might just be damaged goods on all fronts, who knows really..

[monkeypunk]

DeMar averaged a block and over 5 assists last season...

[SpurPadre]

You're thinking rationally, where The Group is not. He has cash starved leeches wanting a payout. The CBA limits what an agent can take from an NBA contract, but there is no such limitation on outside endorsements. Impact could literally take half of the money from a shoe deal. They don't care about the SuperMax, but Kawhi should. He's the one taking a HUGE haircut on this.

Walker should be the one taking a HUGE haircut, tbh.

[Raven]

sucks.. just tank tbh

[SpurPadre]

DeMar averaged a block and over 5 assists last season...

And he declared after losing in the playoffs that he was committed to working on his defense in the offseason. Excited, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

People are really underrating DD Imo. Yeah Kawhi when healthy is a superior player but let's not act like DD is some bench warmer who sucks. He will flourish in SA imo

[Spursfanfromafar]

Ha ha ha : -

"Leonard also is not happy at going to Toronto, for several reasons, including the higher taxation rate in Canada than in Texas, which has no state income tax. " http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/18/kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade-impact-san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors

Bottomline: RCB and Pop shipped out a thankless ingrate to a place where he loses more money and got an All-Star in his prime in return. Too bad, they had to give up Danny Green. But who knows, Danny can come back to the Spurs later too.

[DAF86]

So, is it a done deal? Two millions threads about Kawhi and once that he gets traded for real, we don't get a thread?

[Proxy]

Kawhi was gone, I see it like trading DG for DD... who didn't take the max when he could have, signed through his prime

how's the team's cap space look at this point, post trade?

[Splits]

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[noles1983]

Ha ha ha : -

"Leonard also is not happy at going to Toronto, for several reasons, including the higher taxation rate in Canada than in Texas, which has no state income tax. " http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/18/kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade-impact-san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors

Bottomline: RCB and Pop shipped out a thankless ingrate to a place where he loses more money and got an All-Star in his prime in return. Too bad, they had to give up Danny Green. But who knows, Danny can come back to the Spurs later too.

Bahahahahaha get fucked Kawhi. Act like a bitch and this is what you get faggot.

[RD2191]

Cowherd is such a blowhard.

[-21-]

Ha ha ha : -

"Leonard also is not happy at going to Toronto, for several reasons, including the higher taxation rate in Canada than in Texas, which has no state income tax. " http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/18/kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade-impact-san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors

Bottomline: RCB and Pop shipped out a thankless ingrate to a place where he loses more money and got an All-Star in his prime in return. Too bad, they had to give up Danny Green. But who knows, Danny can come back to the Spurs later too.

:lol Good job Uncle Dennis. Enjoy the cold winter while thinking about all that lost money.

This makes me feel better about the trade.

[Brunodf]

Ha ha ha : -

"Leonard also is not happy at going to Toronto, for several reasons, including the higher taxation rate in Canada than in Texas, which has no state income tax. " http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/18/kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade-impact-san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors

Bottomline: RCB and Pop shipped out a thankless ingrate to a place where he loses more money and got an All-Star in his prime in return. Too bad, they had to give up Danny Green. But who knows, Danny can come back to the Spurs later too.
Not only that but the tax rate in Canada is higher than LAs :lol

[TimDunkem]

Cowherd is such a blowhard.

As much shit as I give Poop for being a rigid jerk, Cowherd is just butthurt his Lakers haven't gotten Kawhi yet. He calls Pop bitter yet refuses to acknowledge that Pop did everything he could to keep Kawhi. It isn't Pop's fault that Kawhi's people literally hid him from him. :lol

[SpurPadre]

Cowherd is such a blowhard.

What's he saying?

[Baam]

That trade sucks so much, zero upside long term.

[spurraider21]

What's he saying?
hes saying a bunch of things that makes no sense

he thinks masai ujuri is a genius who is now going to have the clippers and lakers engage in a bidding war for kawhi. and that NOW the lakers will for sure give their best offer.

it's absurd

[coachmac87]

Cowherd is such a blowhard.

What’s that faggot saying??

He’s mad his “New Lakers” team didn’t Kawhi like the media tried to manipulate for a month??

[RD2191]

What's he saying?

Siding with Kawhi, saying Pop is holding a grudge and what not.

[Mr. Body]

Poeltl is actually a good get. He could learn behind Gasol and becomes a long-time center for us. Only reason I don't like this is no Anunoby, but that wasn't to be. We're back to the days struggling to find a good SF. Fuck Kawhi.

Ultimately this trade keeps the team good and in range for fifty wins. It is also basically a fuck you to Kawhi. Screw you. Go play in Toronto, pay more in taxes. Thanks for being a soulless ingrate, we made you, we believed in you, and this is what you do. Fuck off.

That's worth it. But the Duncan era is officially over.

[SpurPadre]

Siding with Kawhi, saying Pop is holding a grudge and what not.

smh. He's way in the minority with that take, though. It's fucked up to be publicly calling out a guy whose wife died just a couple months ago too.

[SpurPadre]

Poeltl is actually a good get. He could learn behind Gasol and becomes a long-time center for us. Only reason I don't like this is no Anunoby, but that wasn't to be. We're back to the days struggling to find a good SF. Fuck Kawhi.

Ultimately this trade keeps the team good and in range for fifty wins. It is also basically a fuck you to Kawhi. Screw you. Go play in Toronto, pay more in taxes. Thanks for being a soulless ingrate, we made you, we believed in you, and this is what you do. Fuck off.

That's worth it. But the Duncan era is officially over.

Duncan era isn't over til Manu retires, tbh.

[daslicer]

Siding with Kawhi, saying Pop is holding a grudge and what not.

He's always hated Pop. He even admitted a year ago when the Spurs game 1 to the Rox.

[BatManu20]

Still can't believe we didn't even get one of OG or Siakam. Ujuri bent RC over and went in raw. Drunkford was probably too hammered to even notice.

[Mugen]

Still can't believe we didn't even get one of OG or Siakam. Ujuri bent RC over and went in raw. Drunkford was probably too hammered to even notice.

:lol RC getting bent over was probably the least surprising part of this tbh

[Ron Swanson]

Cowherd and Uncle Dennis can go scissor their sore pussies.

[RD2191]

Cowherd and Uncle Dennis can go scissor their sore pussies.

Tbh :lol

[dbestpro]

Poeltl is actually a good get. He could learn behind Gasol and becomes a long-time center for us. Only reason I don't like this is no Anunoby, but that wasn't to be. We're back to the days struggling to find a good SF. Fuck Kawhi.

Ultimately this trade keeps the team good and in range for fifty wins. It is also basically a fuck you to Kawhi. Screw you. Go play in Toronto, pay more in taxes. Thanks for being a soulless ingrate, we made you, we believed in you, and this is what you do. Fuck off.

That's worth it. But the Duncan era is officially over.

This...............Best truth and logical post.

[Dex]

Still can't believe we didn't even get one of OG or Siakam. Ujuri bent RC over and went in raw. Drunkford was probably too hammered to even notice.

Not getting one of those two, while simultaneously losing Green and not one of Pau/Mills really sucks. That combination of things makes it really difficult to call this trade a total win for the Spurs, but I still think they did okay making lemonade.

[tbdog]

That trade sucks so much, zero upside long term.

Derozan will surprise you. The guy can ball.

[spursistan]

Still can't believe we didn't even get one of OG or Siakam. Ujuri bent RC over and went in raw. Drunkford was probably too hammered to even notice.
He really did. At worst; this is a salary dump of DDR for the Raps..

[Hoops Czar]

Cowherd and Uncle Dennis can go scissor their sore pussies.
For one season.

[Chinook]

Mills, White, Vet PG
Murray, Ginobili, Forbes
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Bertans, Gay, Cunningham
Aldridge, Gasol, Poetl

They have two picks, three guard prospects and Milutinov's rights to make a deal. Gasol and Mills as ballast

[Mugen]

Mills, White, Vet PG
Murray, Ginobili, Forbes
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Bertans, Gay, Cunningham
Aldridge, Gasol, Poetl

They have two picks, three guard prospects and Milutinov's rights to make a deal. Gasol and Mills as ballast

Goddamnit I almost forgot that loser Bryn was re-signed