Shams: Spurs & Toronto Engaged in Serious Trade Talks Centered Around Kawhi & DeRozan

[gambit1990]

Mills, White, Vet PG
Murray, Ginobili, Forbes
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Bertans, Gay, Cunningham
Aldridge, Gasol, Poetl
i can see offense... but not a lot of defense...

[gambit1990]

spurs really should've waited until the team usa minicamp.

they should've told kawhi if he went that they'd trade him to la... and then trade him wherever.

[Hoops Czar]

Mills, White, Vet PG
Murray, Ginobili, Forbes
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Bertans, Gay, Cunningham
Aldridge, Gasol, Poetl

They have two picks, three guard prospects and Milutinov's rights to make a deal. Gasol and Mills as ballast
Bertans isn't starting over Gay just like you wouldn't start Bonner over Diaw

[SAGirl]

Mills, White, Vet PG
Murray, Ginobili, Forbes
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Bertans, Gay, Cunningham
Aldridge, Gasol, Poetl

They have two picks, three guard prospects and Milutinov's rights to make a deal. Gasol and Mills as ballast
Absolutely hate they lost all their better wings and get still have the prized summer of 2017 acquisitions in Gasol and Mills.

Ever the optimist, I was looking at their situation so close to the luxury tax but they do have ballast and some late Picks. Not sure what to make of this. Tend to think they stay out but I'd say, be in the lookout and be opportunistic now. Something/someone may become available later even midseason, who knows?

[InRareForm]

Sportingnews saying kawhi might sit out in Toronto

[Ditty]

If they were able to unload Gasol’s or Mills contract I would of been good with this trade. Kawhi was going to be gone next season for nothing people need to realize that. An OG, Poetl, Derozan and a future unprotected first round pick for Kawhi and Gasol would of been ideal.

[LakerHater]

Sportingnews saying kawhi might sit out in Toronto

The trade thn gets voided!

[BillMc]

Satan's Mouthpiece Speaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9GwJIpwknA

[coachmac87]

Sportingnews saying kawhi might sit out in Toronto

Just throwing another 20M down the drain...

[BatManu20]

Sportingnews saying kawhi might sit out in Toronto

Jesus this faggot never quits. He could still technically torpedo this trade is he refuses to show up for his physical in the next 48 hours, if I'm not mistaken...

[spurraider21]

he'd be throwing his career away

and the league wouldn't side with him. would be setting an awful precedent where every player in the league has a de facto no trade clause

[bklynspursfan]

Satan's Mouthpiece Speaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9GwJIpwknA

Singing a completely different tune :lol

[Brazil]

:lmao

good riddance kiwi and fuck you

[slick'81]

First impressions: awful deal without OG

Would have rather had no pick involved and OG instead of Poertl.

Losing Green ... Who is guarding any of the SFs of the league? Belineli? Hilliard? It sure isn't DeRozan.

Why bother trading Kawhi if they aren't going to be competitive even? And without any other player who can play SF, they can't be.

They caved, they were weak.


i agree not only is the pick protected but the big they got seems like complete ass

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Wonder if Masai will be able to talk to the snake today or they'll hide him under the bed again :lol

[Bynumite]

Saying no to Ingram, Kuzma, Hart + picks for Demar Derozan. Senile Poop strikes again :lmao

[NickiRasgo]

Hate all we want but probably it's the best deal we can take. Unfortunately I'm disappointed that it doesn't include OG Anunoby. Deals outside Raptors are probably shittier well atleast we got something. Just see what happened with Cavs right now, they weren't able get anything from LeBron.

[NickiRasgo]

Saying no to Ingram, Kuzma, Hart + picks for Demar Derozan. Senile Poop strikes again :lmao

The Lakers probably didn't even really offerred that. LeBron told ahead that they shouldn't give more pieces for a trade.

[rascal]

Poeltl is actually a good get. He could learn behind Gasol and becomes a long-time center for us. Only reason I don't like this is no Anunoby, but that wasn't to be. We're back to the days struggling to find a good SF. Fuck Kawhi.

Ultimately this trade keeps the team good and in range for fifty wins. It is also basically a fuck you to Kawhi. Screw you. Go play in Toronto, pay more in taxes. Thanks for being a soulless ingrate, we made you, we believed in you, and this is what you do. Fuck off.

That's worth it. But the Duncan era is officially over.

Spurs are around a .500 team. 40-45 wins max

[Pavlov]

The Lakers probably didn't even really offerred that. LeBron told ahead that they shouldn't give more pieces for a trade.lol "probably"

They never offered that.

[testies]

You guys thought we would get OG for a 1 year rental of the autist? Lmao....

[KDKSpurs24]

Saying no to Ingram, Kuzma, Hart + picks for Demar Derozan. Senile Poop strikes again :lmao
Lakers didn’t offer that... you’ve been under a rock.

[NickiRasgo]

lol "probably"

They never offered that.

Just used the word "probably" because they are no reports about it. lol

[exstatic]

This is the deal PATFO took rather than Ingram or Kuzma? PATFO slurpers try :downspin:this




baseline bum you still happy PATFO didn't settle for laker trash? :lol

Well, considering that neither Ingram nor Kuzma was in any offer from LA, you're just a colossal idiot.

[exstatic]

What a fucking shit trade :lol

We get a shittier version of Kawhi who is older, a protected pick, and a big goofy Euro bust :lol

I had faith in PATFO to make a decent trade, but jesus I can't think of a trade that would have been worse than this :lol

Either of the LA trades? The Lakers were offering like Hart and Deng, and the Clippers offered ONE of their picks from this year and Harris.

[exstatic]

I am saddened that the Spurs are losing Danny Green. He was the model player here - always working hard to improve and raised his limited game so much. He became a fantastic defender, he signed on a low paying contract relative to the market when he did that and he was an integral part of the Spurs championship winning team in 2014. Raptors have gotten themselves a fantastic steal in him. If Kawhi ends up staying in Toronto, this would be a grand larceny by Masai Ujiri. But sadly, the Spurs' hand was forced. Gay, DeRozan and Aldridge.. wow. its underwhelming.

Don't confuse three years ago Danny with current Danny. His defense took a step back, as did his 3 point shooting.

[exstatic]

who knows what boston offered last february to be honest.




1-20 protected. the deal centerpieced around dochoken? :lol


the two lotto pick deal on the table from clippers would have been a far better haul than this. PATFO got azzraped

That was never on the table. It was one pick and Harris.

[Pavlov]

I think the Clippers trade might have been better, but I was willing to sit on KL all season out of spite so I have no objectivity. Kicking him out of the US is the next best thing.

[exstatic]

Whata shit trade. :lol Might as well trade LMA now. Who gives a shit about staying competitive if you know you have no shot at winning the 'chip.

We need to get back to planet reality.

This was NOT a voluntary trade.

No one is winning a 'chip until GS falls apart. No one is beating those four. What difference does it make if you go out in round one or two? Zilch.

[exstatic]

RC just needs to tear it down and rebuild.

They will, in two years.

[picnroll]

Singing a completely different tune :lol

Carter whining that Pop promised he’d inform “the group” before any trade and didn’t. wtf.

[Leetonidas]

Saying no to Ingram, Kuzma, Hart + picks for Demar Derozan. Senile Poop strikes again :lmao

Supposedly your team never offered Kuzma or ingram

[picnroll]

People believing Carter about what teams were offering for Leonard. :rollin

[Mr. Body]

Spurs are around a .500 team. 40-45 wins max

Losing Tony Parker won't affect us that much.

[Stabula]

Why is everyone pretending they like Danny Green all of a sudden? The guy is beyond done and everyone here knew that until he got traded. Now for some reason Danny is considered legit again.

[HI-FI]

Ha ha ha : -

"Leonard also is not happy at going to Toronto, for several reasons, including the higher taxation rate in Canada than in Texas, which has no state income tax. " http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/18/kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade-impact-san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors

Bottomline: RCB and Pop shipped out a thankless ingrate to a place where he loses more money and got an All-Star in his prime in return. Too bad, they had to give up Danny Green. But who knows, Danny can come back to the Spurs later too.
:lol nice. I don’t think we were ever going to get a fair trade out of it, but least PATFO didn’t take it up the ass from Kawhi’s group, with Uncle Dennis in the Yoko Ono role. It’s sad what happened to Kawhi, easily was one of my ATF players, but I’m glad we’re moving on from this drama.

[Austin_Toros]

How the fuck did the spurs not get Anunoby or Siakan...just wow

[Mugen]

Losing Tony Parker won't affect us that much.

Disagree, that helped us tremendously tbh :lol

[ElNono]

Disagree, that helped us tremendously tbh :lol

:lol

[picnroll]

kawhitter costing Green money. Another great teammate move.

[monkeypunk]

How the fuck did the spurs not get Anunoby or Siakan...just wow

Raptors weren't dumb enough to give them up for a rental of KL.

[rascal]

That was never on the table. It was one pick and Harris.

Clippers to create a package for Kawhi Leonard built around Tobias Harris and 12th or 13th pick in draft? https://t.co/cnbib4cXd6

— Sportando (@Sportando) June 18, 2018

[rascal]

That was never on the table. It was one pick and Harris.

Clippers to create a package for Kawhi Leonard built around Tobias Harris and 12th or 13th pick in draft? https://t.co/cnbib4cXd6

— Sportando (@Sportando) June 18, 2018

I have been seeing 12 or 13.

[rascal]

But I also see this.

The Clippers are firmly in the Kawhi Leonard sweepstakes.

According to the Los Angeles Times, they would be willing to part ways with Tobias Harris and draft picks for the two-time Defensive Player of the Year. Harris was the piece they received from the Pistons in the Blake Griffin trade last season.

Leonard wants out of San Antonio and has declared the Lakers his preferred landing spot, though the Clippers reportedly are among the teams he would consider.

Of course, the Celtics have also been named as a possible destination for the 27-year-old.

[rascal]

There were rumors the Clippers were offering both picks on June 21. This is dated just after where the Clippers were just offering one of the picks so maybe they included the 2nd pick.

One rumor that also sprouted concerns the L.A. Clippers, who are reportedly making a concerted effort to woo the San Antonio Spurs into giving up embattled forward Kawhi Leonard for two of their first-round picks packaged with swingman Tobias Harris, per Marc Stein of The New York Times.

League sources say the Clippers have been trying to lure the Spurs into Kawhi Leonard trade talks with an offer featuring their two lotto picks and Tobias Harris, but it appears they’ll be making the 12th and 13th pick for themselves — with Michael Porter Jr. still on the board.

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs got a top 3 sg of the league in a three-year contract for a guy who besides saying he does not want to stay in South Africa, still said he wanted to be traded for only 1 place, has no reason to criticize the front office , they maximized the resource they had in their hands in a way that no other franchise could do

[ducks]

There were rumors the Clippers were offering both picks on June 21. This is dated just after where the Clippers were just offering one of the picks so maybe they included the 2nd pick.

One rumor that also sprouted concerns the L.A. Clippers, who are reportedly making a concerted effort to woo the San Antonio Spurs into giving up embattled forward Kawhi Leonard for two of their first-round picks packaged with swingman Tobias Harris, per Marc Stein of The New York Times.

League sources say the Clippers have been trying to lure the Spurs into Kawhi Leonard trade talks with an offer featuring their two lotto picks and Tobias Harris, but it appears they’ll be making the 12th and 13th pick for themselves — with Michael Porter Jr. still on the board.

rumors are not always true

[rascal]

rumors are not always true

But you can't just dismiss them as not true also.

[rascal]

Spurs got a top 3 sg of the league in a three-year contract for a guy who besides saying he does not want to stay in South Africa, still said he wanted to be traded for only 1 place, has no reason to criticize the front office , they maximized the resource they had in their hands in a way that no other franchise could do


Spur fans think their front office can do no wrong. They messed up and should have gotten a better trade package.

[ducks]

Spur fans think their front office can do no wrong. They messed up and should have gotten a better trade package.

rascal thinks they can do no right even with title years

[ducks]

But you can't just dismiss them as not true also.
if they were not real spurs could not trade

this looks like the best deal unless something else comes out that was real

[rascal]

rascal thinks they can do no right even with title years

Parker and Manu were great draft picks but the Spurs lucked out by getting Duncan and Robinson and the titles are directly a result of getting Duncan.

There were no titles before Duncan and there will be no more after.

No Duncan, you now see no more titles.

[rascal]

if they were not real spurs could not trade

this looks like the best deal unless something else comes out that was real

You are another PATFO kiss ass.

[r0drig0lac]

Spur fans think their front office can do no wrong. They messed up and should have gotten a better trade package.

in fact I'm one of the biggest critics of Pop and RC on this board, but in that case they really got screwed by dennis and kawhi

[TimDunkem]

in fact I'm one of the biggest critics of Pop and RC on this board, but in that case they really got screwed by dennis and kawhi

Same. Been shitting on this FO for awhile now, but their hands were tied here. They did their due diligence trying to keep Kawhi, and they were losing leverage by the day. It was time to move on. Letting him walk for nothing wouldn't have made sense.

[ducks]

You are another PATFO kiss ass.

I want pop fired and want becky

[Killakobe81]

I want pop fired and want becky

:nope

[TimDunkem]

I want pop fired and want becky

No you don't. She is a liberal and you'd rather sell out your country to Putin, and see your country's democratic institutions fail before you see another liberal win anything.

[ducks]

becky can coach better then pop
pop was a great coach is not now

[ducks]

No you don't. She is a liberal and you'd rather sell out your country to Putin, and see your country's democratic institutions fail before you see another liberal win anything.
prove she is a liberal
it does not matter she is a great coach

she can vote who she wants to as long as she does not say anything about it on spurs time
go to cnn of fox news for that

[exstatic]

Sportingnews saying kawhi might sit out in Toronto

You can't actually miss more than 30 team days in a season without losing your FA status the next summer. It's in the CBA. The Raptors can play hardball, and bring in NBA league doctors, and, considering that The Group had to go through 8 doctors to get one to say he could sit out, I don't like their chances of not being cleared. If he's cleared, he MUST participate in team activities.

[exstatic]

Saying no to Ingram, Kuzma, Hart + picks for Demar Derozan. Senile Poop strikes again :lmao

Neither of them was in the Laker offer. It was Hart and one pick.

[ducks]

Neither of them was in the Laker offer. It was Hart and one pick.

yep and they suck
spurs got a allstar! NOT ONE THAT MIGHT BE ONE

[Pavlov]

But you can't just dismiss them as not true also.I can dismiss this as moot though.

[Hoops Czar]

becky can coach better then pop
pop was a great coach is not now

[ducks]

:lmao damn

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[rascal]

I can dismiss this as moot though.

I am not. Front office messed up by not making this trade happen for the two draft picks.

[Pavlov]

I am not. Front office messed up by not making this trade happen for the two draft picks.It's still moot.

[ducks]

I am not. Front office messed up by not making this trade happen for the two draft picks.

SPURS CAN STILL TRADE FOR TWO PICKS AND GET MORE THEN WHAT THEY GOT FOR LEONARD

[spurraider21]

SPURS CAN STILL TRADE FOR TWO PICKS AND GET MORE THEN WHAT THEY GOT FOR LEONARD
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[rascal]

if they were not real spurs could not trade

this looks like the best deal unless something else comes out that was real

Spurs didn't want to make a trade for the two Clipper draft picks. That was the reason no trade happened.
Pop met with Kawhi one last time so they were still trying to keep him. They should have known by the draft that it was over and he needed to be traded to maximise their trade haul.

[ralph nyc]

kawhi is a traitor, could have been a spurs legend. He is never winning another ring again. I just hope lakers don't get him and clippers do instead.

[ducks]

Spurs didn't want to make a trade for the two Clipper draft picks. That was the reason no trade happened.
Pop met with Kawhi one last time so they were still trying to keep him. They should have known by the draft that it was over and he needed to be traded to maximise their trade haul.

SPURS WANTED 2 PLAYERS AND PICKS OR ONE ALLSTAR
PICKS WERE NOT THAT



IF RAPS TRADE HIM FOR PICKS THAT IS FINE FOR RAPTORS TO DO IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO
IT IS NOT LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO CONVINCE LEONARD TO SIGN THERE ANYHOW

[tbdog]

rumors are not always true

Have you thought that those picks were not good and the spurs didn't like anyone on the board. One of them would have been walker anyway. And I've said Harris is not a good player.

[ducks]

YES THAT IS WHY THE SPURS WANTED AN ALLSTAR NOT PICKS THAT COULD BE ALLSTARS
RASCAL THINGS BRIDGE IS AN ALLSTAR AND WANTED HIM
SAYS HE WILL BE ONE

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi press conference will be held on Friday and he will be in attendance, apparently..:corn:

[ducks]

Kawhi press conference will be held on Friday and he will be in attendance..:corn:

with a hat on?

[loveforthegame]

Kawhi press conference will be held on Friday and he will be in attendance, apparently..:corn:

Where did you see this?

[Ron Swanson]

elizabeth warren

:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

Where did you see this?

Just saw it on Sportsnet in Toronto, one of the Raps reporters said it, not sure what time yet, but it's Friday .

[spursistan]

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[loveforthegame]

Just saw it on Sportsnet in Toronto, one of the Raps reporters said it, not sure what time yet, but it's Friday .

Thanks. :tu

[Mugen]

Pretty much the same haul that the Pacers got for PG.

Kawhi being better than PG was offset by his toxic group and missing a full season.

Derozan = Oladipo (though i'd argue Oladipo's value was a lot lower than Derozan's last season, he's made up that ground last season to his credit)
Jakob = Sabonis
Danny = protected 1st round pick

[loveforthegame]

Woj said Leonard will be in training camp and will play. It’s up to the Raps to recruit/pitch to Kawhi to stay because Leonard still wants LA next season. Still might attend USA mini camp too.

I’ll take his word over Sporting News who said Leonard will sit out.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pretty much the same haul that the Pacers got for PG.

Kawhi being better than PG was offset by his toxic group and missing a full season.

Derozan = Oladipo (though i'd argue Oladipo's value was a lot lower than Derozan's last season, he's made up that ground last season to his credit)
Jakob = Sabonis
Danny = protected 1st round pick

Oladipo pre-Pacers was much worse than DeRozan..Current Oladipo is waaaay better, though:lol


Chris Haynes and Woj both reporting that Kawhi is still upset, but will show up to camp and is warming up to the idea of playing on a contending team with Toronto..

[Mugen]

Oladipo pre-Pacers was much worse than DeRozan..Current Oladipo is waaaay better, though:lol


Chris Haynes and Woj both reporting that Kawhi is still upset, but will show up to camp and is warming up to the idea of playing on a contending team with Toronto..

Agreed on your first point.

:lol Philly if that's true. Kawhi/Simmons/Embiid runs the East if they had the fucking balls to part with Saric/Covington/Fultz. I refused to believe that Pop/RC are in love with Derozan enough to pick the Raptors package over that....

[ducks]

Oladipo pre-Pacers was much worse than DeRozan..Current Oladipo is waaaay better, though:lol


Chris Haynes and Woj both reporting that Kawhi is still upset, but will show up to camp and is warming up to the idea of playing on a contending team with Toronto..

he can be the face of the country if he wants it
will he they can offer him 5 years
he can take it personally that the sixers and boston wanted to give the spurs nothing and just kill those two teams
he could be like james and get to the finals alot

[BillMc]

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[FireMicoHalili]

Not going to act like the Spurs won this deal because they took an albatross of a contract of a playoff choker and ended up getting zero significant young assets. Matt Moore, Zach Lowe and other writers have praised Masai and are just too nice to say the Spurs got the short end of the stick. Aside from contending, not sure why the Spurs wanted to make this deal and I hope there’s some other significant reason why they had to take this deal over the others. I was so prepared to have a redux of the beautiful game.

[MoSpur02]

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I really hope his first game back that the crowd chabts, "Uncle Dennis" loud over and over.

[Mugen]

I really hope his first game back that the crowd chabts, "Uncle Dennis" loud over and over.

Mo, I owe you credit for calling this. You were right and I was wrong my man. :toast

Now tell me the Spurs are cooking some other shit up and we're not stuck with this ass roster :lol

[spursistan]

Not going to act like the Spurs won this deal because they took an albatross of a contract of a playoff choker and ended up getting zero significant young assets. Matt Moore, Zach Lowe and other writers have praised Masai and are just too nice to say the Spurs got the short end of the stick. Aside from contending, not sure why the Spurs wanted to make this deal and I hope there’s some other significant reason why they had to take this deal over the others. I was so prepared to have a redux of the beautiful game.
We got destroyed in this trade, I can't see how you could spin it differently.

The only thing that will take the sting out of it is if turned out that Kawhi is damaged goods or will act like one the rest of his career. (I do think they suspect he is not mentally equipped to deal with this type injury from here on out).

[Joseph Kony]

still don't see how anyone thinks Spurs got raped. would have been nice to get OG but come on. everyone was low balling us. its not SA fault that Kawhitter decided to tank his value so the spurs couldnt get shit in return for him. spurs are lucky to have gotten an allstar in his prime. I think Pop will get the best out of DD. And y'all sleeping on Poeltl tbh...

[slick'81]

still don't see how anyone thinks Spurs got raped. would have been nice to get OG but come on. everyone was low balling us. its not SA fault that Kawhitter decided to tank his value so the spurs couldnt get shit in return for him. spurs are lucky to have gotten an allstar in his prime. I think Pop will get the best out of DD. And y'all sleeping on Poeltl tbh...

we shall see.if anyone can turn poeltl into something it's pop

[ducks]

“The waters had started to dry up a bit,” one Western Conference executive said. “It’s hard to evaluate big picture, but they got an All-Star who is young, plus a young big and a draft pick. And now Toronto has to deal with the next Kawhi decision.

“For sure they met some of their objectives,” the executive added, “probably including sending (Leonard) where he didn’t want to go.”

It is unclear if Leonard will be willing to re-sign a long-term deal with the Raptors next summer. Ujiri has a year to convince him.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Woj said Leonard will be in training camp and will play. It’s up to the Raps to recruit/pitch to Kawhi to stay because Leonard still wants LA next season. Still might attend USA mini camp too.

I’ll take his word over Sporting News who said Leonard will sit out.

Couple tidbits from messaging Co worker back and forth, since this went down. Orlando's Dir of Ops is from Raptor organization and good friends with Ujiri, and other staff. Also new Raptor GM Bobby Webster got his start in Magic organization and still has friends here.... So lots of talking and congrats going out.

Toronto spoke to Kawhi group before finalizing deal and while not a 100% commitment, felt assured that he would show up and play.

Toronto wasn't doing trade without Danny Green (or starting caliber 3&D SG) as part of deal. If Kawhi bought in they wanted potential starting replacement for DDR and if Kawhi chose to be a problem that they could move OG into a starting SF slot, without roster becoming to thin at wing positions. A 3rd team was explored to fill this role (Spurs preferred to keep Green) but were willing to include DG if no viable option found.

Toronto FO is elated because they accomplished every goal they had going into negotiations. They got the best player, secured SG position replacement for DDR, and didn't give up OG. Raptors also wanted to be sure that if Kawhi chooses to try and force trade that they could still be competitive in 2018-2019 and with getting Green without giving up OG, they felt they checked that box.

[ducks]

Toronto spoke to Kawhi group before finalizing deal and while not a 100% commitment, felt assured that he would show up and play.


if they did without spurs permission that is against the rules

[Chillen]

I hope it works out for Kawhi in Toronto but the basic truth is Spurs were never going to get back the better player in the trade. They got an all-star player, a big man with potential and a possible 1st round pick and will be fine with just making the playoffs like always.

Kawhi and his camp threw a bag of shit at the Spurs and they are now cleaning up the mess.

[ceperez]

Raptors essentially is dumping 3 years of DDR salary. Worse case scenario they trade KL to Laker or Clippers for additional bodies.

Spurs get an all star and a young center. Too bad they had to trade away Green, but if you look at roster, its too crowded at the wings.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Toronto spoke to Kawhi group before finalizing deal and while not a 100% commitment, felt assured that he would show up and play.


if they did without spurs permission that is against the rules

Obviously I don't know exactly when this happen other than being late in the process.... I assume Toronto had Spurs permission at point contact happened

[Gordy58]

Can someone explain how that top 20 protected pick works?

[Ron Swanson]

Can someone explain how that top 20 protected pick works?

If Toronto's 2019 pick falls 1-20, they keep it and we get 2 second round picks. If it falls 21-30, it's ours.

[ceperez]

Obviously I don't know exactly when this happen other than being late in the process.... I assume Toronto had Spurs permission at point contact happened

That is likely. Why wouldn't Spurs give permission?

The real loser here is Kawhi. He didn't get a supermax and now goes to Canada and pay higher taxes. But at least Kawhi has opportunity to play in finals. Spurs likely aren't getting to finals unless they acquire a GSW player in the future (i.e. Thompson, Green or Durant)

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol suck our collective dick faggot. Enjoy below zero weather.

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That's going to be a lot of shrimps in a bowl....

[Kawhitstorm]

:tu Spurs FO. Didn't yield to the shit Lakers and sent Kawhi to the last city he probably wants to be in :lol. This (or forcing him to play next season) was really the only logical move. At least by sending him to Toronto, the Spurs get a little something back while "punishing" Kiwi and Dennis for a season. His camp is probably fuming right now. Hope that cold makes your quad ache, faggot.

The power of Kawhi: He doesn't have to say a word to make ObeCity more furious than when the corner Bodega runs out of lard.....

[Kawhitstorm]

What possible value could the Spurs get for a player that refuses to play sabotaged his own trade value? They got a regular season all-star that allows them to compete now. No team in the fucking NBA was giving up young assets for a Kawhit rental.

Uncle Dennis took a shit in ShittyFO's mouth :toast

[Marcus Bryant]

Woj said Leonard will be in training camp and will play. It’s up to the Raps to recruit/pitch to Kawhi to stay because Leonard still wants LA next season. Still might attend USA mini camp too.

I’ll take his word over Sporting News who said Leonard will sit out.

He'll have to report. This time any holdout will be on his dime and no matter what any player or player rep says, it's still all about the $.

[ElNono]

The power of Kawhi: He doesn't have to say a word to make ObeCity more furious than when the corner Bodega runs out of lard.....

you sound pretty triggered... can you tell us how Pop's ass taste, tbh?

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao

good riddance kiwi and fuck you

Tell em why you're mad.

[DPG21920]

He'll have to report. This time any holdout will be on his dime and no matter what any player or player rep says, it's still all about the $.

Ya- this change in tune with “Kawhi is open to TOR now” is about Kawhi and his camp being neutered very publicly. They realized their shit didn’t work and if they have a shred of IQ they better play nice if they want to salvage their situation.

[Kawhitstorm]

I really hope his first game back that the crowd chabts, "Uncle Dennis" loud over and over.

......Kawhi will react the same way he has throughout his career, by not giving a fuck while you cry your guts out.

[ace3g]

Zach Lowe ZachLowe_NBA
(https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA) 3m (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019762309097549831)
League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...

[Mugen]

^ :lol

[Robz4000]

Zach Lowe ZachLowe_NBA
(https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA) 3m (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019762309097549831)
League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...

God damn

[spursistan]

you sound pretty triggered... can you tell us how Pop's ass taste, tbh?
:lmao

[loveforthegame]

Spurs having to send money too. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Zach Lowe (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA)Zach (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11982)Lowe_NBA
3m (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019762309097549831)
League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...

JFC. IDGAF about the cash really but damn.

[Marcus Bryant]

Must've been that bad.

[RD2191]

Damn

[Mugen]

RC couldn't shed any of the garbage contracts, didn't really get a prospect back in return (Jakob is a role player), couldn't get an unprotected pick, traded away a nice trading chip in Danny's contract...

And still had to foot the bill.....

Philly stills needs a GM tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol Uncle Dennis costing his faggot nephew $81 million

[Robz4000]

RC couldn't shed any of the garbage contracts, didn't really get a prospect back in return (Jakob is a role player), couldn't get an unprotected pick, traded away a nice trading chip in Danny's contract...

And still had to foot the bill.....

Philly stills needs a GM tbh :lol

Seriously, RC needs to put down the bottle tbh.

[Marcus Bryant]

That says it all about Leonard's standing in the league right now.

[DPG21920]

That says it all about Leonard's standing in the league right now.

True, but you would expect ,having said all of that for RC to do a little better.

[Marcus Bryant]

Seems apparent the Spurs were working on that. What exactly should he have done differently?

[Mugen]

Seems apparent the Spurs were working on that. What exactly should he have done differently?

:lol I mean the minimum would have been make it lottery protected instead of Top 20, or 2.5mil instead of the entire bill....

I don't care about the money but damn......complete fleecing by the Raptors.

[BatManu20]

Zach Lowe (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA)Zach (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11982)Lowe_NBA
3m (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019762309097549831)
League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...


Christ it keeps getting worse...

[BatManu20]

RC couldn't shed any of the garbage contracts, didn't really get a prospect back in return (Jakob is a role player), couldn't get an unprotected pick, traded away a nice trading chip in Danny's contract...

And still had to foot the bill.....

Philly stills needs a GM tbh :lol

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Uncle Dennis took a shit in ShittyFO's mouth :toast

I know you are a Kawhi mental but you are completely off. This trade has all the signs that the SpursFO actually fucked Kawhi and Lakers both, not the other way around.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

The losers after this trade are Boston and Philly after seeing what Toronto had to give up...

[ceperez]

:lol I mean the minimum would have been make it lottery protected instead of Top 20, or 2.5mil instead of the entire bill....

I don't care about the money but damn......complete fleecing by the Raptors.

Either that or its a good thing to pay someone to take Kawhi and his group.

[Marcus Bryant]

:lol I mean the minimum would have been make it lottery protected instead of Top 20, or 2.5mil instead of the entire bill....

I don't care about the money but damn......complete fleecing by the Raptors.

2+2 says they said no. This was literally the best available deal thanks to Uncle Dumbfuck and Nephew Klitoris or whatever. On to basketball.

[Mugen]

They really need to make another move for another good-ish player to make this trade even somewhat digestible.

If this is it, then holy crap what a horrible trade. Might have been better than what was out there (if you're looking to stay "competitive") but it sure as hell isn't better than just keeping Leonard and letting him walk next season for nothing tbh.

[DPG21920]

They really need to make another move for another good-ish player to make this trade even somewhat digestible.

If this is it, then holy crap what a horrible trade. Might have been better than what was out there (if you're looking to stay "competitive") but it sure as hell isn't better than just keeping Leonard and letting him walk next season for nothing tbh.

Ya it is. They can move DeRozan if they want and basically get something vs just letting Kawhi walk. There is upside here even if TOR got over on SA

[Marcus Bryant]

Who wasn't going to 'get over' on the Spurs in this scenario?

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs got an actual top 20 player back for Leonard, when the best player who had been offered by any other team was who? Dario Saric?

Get out of denial. It is what it is.

[timvp]

Who wasn't going to 'get over' on the Spurs in this scenario?

True. It turns out Masai was the only GM who was ever serious about getting Nephew. Every other team was scared off.

Masai was ballsy enough to take a good gamble on his end. The Spurs got a very good player, a young prospect and a low pick.

Sucks but them the cards that were dealt.

[eDizzle20]

They really need to make another move for another good-ish player to make this trade even somewhat digestible.

If this is it, then holy crap what a horrible trade. Might have been better than what was out there (if you're looking to stay "competitive") but it sure as hell isn't better than just keeping Leonard and letting him walk next season for nothing tbh.
I believe PATFO values DeRozan more than fans do. People bring up the Clippers and how they were offering Harris and picks 12 and 13, however, Harris is an UFA next offseason and may command more than DeRozan’s contract at that point. Picks 12 and 13 are not sure fire players either. Poeltl is solid and will benefit learning from Pau. It’s clear garbage was being offered and Toronto probably said, “Hey, this offer is only good for 24 hours.”

[eDizzle20]

Spurs got an actual top 20 player back for Leonard, when the best player who had been offered by any other team was who? Dario Saric?

Get out of denial. It is what it is.
+1

[Marcus Bryant]

True. It turns out Masai was the only GM who was ever serious about getting Nephew. Every other team was scared off.

Masai was ballsy enough to take a good gamble on his end. The Spurs got a very good player, a young prospect and a low pick.

Sucks but them the cards that were dealt.

There has to be more to the story, from both sides. The immediate rush to a trade demand, the extended rehab period and shenanigans, and then the Spurs actually biting the bullet and pulling the trigger. The conflict always can be traced back to the injury. It seems rather telling that the Sixers didn't up the ante - even a 1 year rental would put them in position to solidify an ECF berth and Finals run. They had to have good intel on Leonard including on the medical side (HIPAA regardless). I guess we'll find out in time.

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[LkrFan]

Spurs got an actual top 20 player back for Leonard, when the best player who had been offered by any other team was who? Dario Saric?

Get out of denial. It is what it is.

If he really is top 20 he should have no problem making the Western Conference all star team, no? ;)

[LkrFan]

Yall PAID to get rid of him?

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And got NO lotto picks in return? DeFrozen better average 35/8/8 to justify that buffoonery! Spurs PATF:lmao

[goliath]

I know a lot of fans argued to keep him and just let him walk next season but that really wasn’t feasible. You could tell all the drama was wearing on the players and coaches. It would have been a season long distraction and really wouldn’t have been fair to the team. I was fed up with the drama and leaks just since the season ended. Imagine another full season of it.

As for suspending him, sitting him out or him getting another “injury” with the spurs next season, if you were ownership would you want to pay another $20 million for another year for a malcontent player who isn’t going to give you anything in return?

[ElNono]

Peeps forget the Spurs saved $80+ million long term, tbh.... when you look at it like that, $5m is chump change

[Spursfanfromafar]

Don't confuse three years ago Danny with current Danny. His defense took a step back, as did his 3 point shooting.

He was still much above league average in defense. I dare say he deserved all defense second team consideration.

[BatManu20]

Spurs got an actual top 20 player back for Leonard, when the best player who had been offered by any other team was who? Dario Saric?

Get out of denial. It is what it is.

DeRozan's not a Top 20 player though, tbh. He's somewhere between 25-30.


But yea, we were getting fucked in this deal either way.

[tbdog]

If he really is top 20 he should have no problem making the Western Conference all star team, no? ;)

Well the top 20 kinda all play in the West.

[ducks]

True. It turns out Masai was the only GM who was ever serious about getting Nephew. Every other team was scared off.

Masai was ballsy enough to take a good gamble on his end. The Spurs got a very good player, a young prospect and a low pick.

Sucks but them the cards that were dealt.ditto
Top 20 player spurs wanted

[ducks]

DeRozan's not a Top 20 player though, tbh. He's somewhere between 25-30.


But yea, we were getting fucked in this deal either way.
He finished 8 in mvp voting

[Brazil]

Tell em why you're mad.

Still in the business of defending the most cancerous player of the league ? :lmao
Have you registered yet at raptorstalk.com tbh ? :lmao

[GrapplingYautja]

Yall PAID to get rid of him?

1019762309097549831

And got NO lotto picks in return? DeFrozen better average 35/8/8 to justify that buffoonery! Spurs PATF:lmao

You faggots write poems to free agents (and give coupons for AIDS medicine).

[Vic Petro]

Derozan picks up a lot of techs. 8 this season and 13 last year. He’s been ejected from a game once in each of the last four years.

[MannyIsGod]

DeRozan's not a Top 20 player though, tbh. He's somewhere between 25-30.


But yea, we were getting fucked in this deal either way.


DeRozan is absolutely top 20.

[MannyIsGod]

I never really thought about it until today, but one reason that Kawhi's value was so low was because he did this to the Spurs. Last year when LMA wanted out, you heard a lot of the talk around the league saying that league execs wanted no part of a guy who wouldn't succeed in SA. It's well known across the league how accommodating the Spurs are and how much of a good situation it is for players because its an extremely well run franchise. Its likely that because of this, people were more wary of Kawhi being able to work in their systems.

Honestly if this happens to a team like Sacramento, more GMs are probably willing to take a flyer on Kawhi. When it happens on the Spurs, how many teams feel comfortable that they can offer a better situation? Virtually none.

[SpursBills]

let's just pretend we traded george hill for derozan, bertans, poeltl, and a 2019 1st rounder. looks like we got a steal, boys

[timvp]

DeRozan is absolutely top 20.

If he can play like he did the last couple season, DeRozan enters the conversation somewhere around 12-15, IMO.

[objective]

The Spurs paying $5 million to dump Kawhi is pathetic

This cheap ass team has barely paid any tax for 20 years, and have had seasons if memory serves where they had not used their full exceptions out of cheapness. They never bought a first, either.

Letting Simmons go, not matching on Anderson, having to massively overpay Jefferson as a thank you for avoiding one single year of luxury tax, refusing to pay Scola, dumping Scola to get off of 2.5 million on Butler ...

That is just sad that they've always been too cheap to pay up when they were contenders but now are vomiting up the big bucks to avoid both contention and rebuilding.

Though I suppose reason and logic can't be expected from the same front office that not only gave Mills a horrible contract then also doubled down on bringing back Forbes.

[Dex]

Yall PAID to get rid of him?

1019762309097549831

And got NO lotto picks in return? DeFrozen better average 35/8/8 to justify that buffoonery! Spurs PATF:lmao

I know you're trolling, but at least your avatar is still fun to watch.

[objective]

Spurs too cheap to spend the BAE and the remaining MLE, not too cheap to pay Toronto off

[timvp]

The Spurs paying $5 million to dump Kawhi is pathetic

This cheap ass team has barely paid any tax for 20 years, and have had seasons if memory serves where they had not used their full exceptions out of cheapness. They never bought a first, either.

Tells me the Spurs were pretty desperate to make this trade and the Raptors were the hesitant ones. Why did the Spurs want to ship out Kawhi ASAP? Perhaps there's more to the story and they expect his value to drop soon . . .

[Dex]

I never really thought about it until today, but one reason that Kawhi's value was so low was because he did this to the Spurs. Last year when LMA wanted out, you heard a lot of the talk around the league saying that league execs wanted no part of a guy who wouldn't succeed in SA. It's well known across the league how accommodating the Spurs are and how much of a good situation it is for players because its an extremely well run franchise. Its likely that because of this, people were more wary of Kawhi being able to work in their systems.

Honestly if this happens to a team like Sacramento, more GMs are probably willing to take a flyer on Kawhi. When it happens on the Spurs, how many teams feel comfortable that they can offer a better situation? Virtually none.

For this reason, I think Kawhi is going to regret trying to search for greener pastures.

If he feels like the Spurs were overbearing, imagine how he is going to feel once he is on a team that doesn't protect its players from the media, press, leaks, etc. A team that actually tries to protect its players, despite his "concerns" about the medical staff.

If he doesn't want the spotlight, imagine how he is going to feel being the new superstar in Toronto, or moreso...in L.A., either being Lebron's sidekick or being his nemesis.

He is about to learn how the other organizations in the league operate...and he's going to have to sleep in that bed he has made.

[JPB]

let's just pretend we traded george hill for derozan, bertans, poeltl, and a 2019 1st rounder. looks like we got a steal, boys

That's what you call perspective... and the more you think about it that way, the more you actually feel good about it.

It's obvious now that spurs were just wanting to extract the worm from the apple more than finding another apple. And I'm persisting into thinking sending the group to a "bad" destination was really a factor in PATFO's decision.

They made them pay.

[midnightpulp]

The power of Kawhi: He doesn't have to say a word to make ObeCity more furious than when the corner Bodega runs out of lard.....

I ain't from SA, bro. And why are you semen shielding? Kawhi and "his camp" handled this situation like children. I don't mind Kawhi leaving at all, but he should've done it honorably, i.e. play out your contract with little drama and then bolt to wherever you want. No one here would've had a problem.

[polandprzem]

Tells me the Spurs were pretty desperate to make this trade and the Raptors were the hesitant ones. Why did the Spurs want to ship out Kawhi ASAP? Perhaps there's more to the story and they expect his value to drop soon . . .

Maybe there is nothing more to the story. Just that Kawhi is not a guy that speaks for himself and RC and Pop does not like to cooperate like that and they knew Uncle will have impact on Leonard and not let the team concentrate on basketball.

[objective]

Tells me the Spurs were pretty desperate to make this trade and the Raptors were the hesitant ones. Why did the Spurs want to ship out Kawhi ASAP? Perhaps there's more to the story and they expect his value to drop soon . . .

I think the most likely explanation is they got played.

Once they had gone through so much, and had finally gotten near the finish line with the trade and come to terms with everything being finally over, Masai hit them with the cash payment uppercut.

They were so exhausted, so weak, so eager to get the taste of bad nephew out of their mouths, that they couldn't put up a fight.

Masai probably hit them with the offer pull, or pulling the pick, protesting that they couldn't do the deal, and once it got too late in the summer he wasn't going to have his first year coach and first ever coach hire not be able to fully plan for the camp and season.

Spurs gave in like wild animals do when they are about to be eaten after a long chase by an animal they can't possibly escape from. No more struggle, just sad surrender. They are that seal being pulled off the ice by a whale.

Only good thing is that the predator who ate the Spurs for dinner and is crapping them out is the raptors and not the Lakers.

But the Spurs were still eaten and made Raptor feces.

[Pavlov]

I think the most likely explanation is they got played.

Once they had gone through so much, and had finally gotten near the finish line with the trade and come to terms with everything being finally over, Masai hit them with the cash payment uppercut.

They were so exhausted, so weak, so eager to get the taste of bad nephew out of their mouths, that they couldn't put up a fight.

Masai probably hit them with the offer pull, or pulling the pick, protesting that they couldn't do the deal, and once it got too late in the summer he wasn't going to have his first year coach and first ever coach hire not be able to fully plan for the camp and season.

Spurs gave in like wild animals do when they are about to be eaten after a long chase by an animal they can't possibly escape from. No more struggle, just sad surrender. They are that seal being pulled off the ice by a whale.

Only good thing is that the predator who ate the Spurs for dinner and is crapping them out is the raptors and not the Lakers.

But the Spurs were still eaten and made Raptor feces.lol so dramatic

[GrapplingYautja]

I think the most likely explanation is they got played.

Once they had gone through so much, and had finally gotten near the finish line with the trade and come to terms with everything being finally over, Masai hit them with the cash payment uppercut.

They were so exhausted, so weak, so eager to get the taste of bad nephew out of their mouths, that they couldn't put up a fight.

Masai probably hit them with the offer pull, or pulling the pick, protesting that they couldn't do the deal, and once it got too late in the summer he wasn't going to have his first year coach and first ever coach hire not be able to fully plan for the camp and season.

Spurs gave in like wild animals do when they are about to be eaten after a long chase by an animal they can't possibly escape from. No more struggle, just sad surrender. They are that seal being pulled off the ice by a whale.

Only good thing is that the predator who ate the Spurs for dinner and is crapping them out is the raptors and not the Lakers.

But the Spurs were still eaten and made Raptor feces.

You're that dude that sends in erotic fantasy letters to the nudie mags, right?

Fuck out of here with your baby seal stories, cuck!

[Marcus Bryant]

Tells me the Spurs were pretty desperate to make this trade and the Raptors were the hesitant ones. Why did the Spurs want to ship out Kawhi ASAP? Perhaps there's more to the story and they expect his value to drop soon . . .

Explains the urgency on both sides. He was a year from free agency. 99% of players play out their contract and then go after where they want to be. Everything his camp was saying and doing was to force a move now. That his injury is more severe or limiting would help to explain what transpired.

[John B]

Explains the urgency on both sides. He was a year from free agency. 99% of players play out their contract and then go after where they want to be. Everything his camp was saying and doing was to force a move now. That his injury is more severe or limiting would help to explain what transpired.
But that’s probably why he’s playing Team USA next week, to prove Spurs wrong. You could’ve got me back at Supermax.. hmmm

[MoSpur02]

Mo, I owe you credit for calling this. You were right and I was wrong my man. :toast

Now tell me the Spurs are cooking some other shit up and we're not stuck with this ass roster :lol

:bobo

Wish I could tell y'all the Spurs aren't done and are looking to trade Gasol & Mills for some young athletic defense minded players, but I have not heard anything.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

http://thecomeback.com/crossoverchronicles/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2012/05/Gregg-popovich-thumbs-up.png

:pop:

[LkrFan]

I know you're trolling, but at least your avatar is still fun to watch.

She is hot AF. :toast

[FireMicoHalili]

The Spurs paying $5 million to dump Kawhi is pathetic

This cheap ass team has barely paid any tax for 20 years, and have had seasons if memory serves where they had not used their full exceptions out of cheapness. They never bought a first, either.

Letting Simmons go, not matching on Anderson, having to massively overpay Jefferson as a thank you for avoiding one single year of luxury tax, refusing to pay Scola, dumping Scola to get off of 2.5 million on Butler ...

That is just sad that they've always been too cheap to pay up when they were contenders but now are vomiting up the big bucks to avoid both contention and rebuilding.

Though I suppose reason and logic can't be expected from the same front office that not only gave Mills a horrible contract then also doubled down on bringing back Forbes.
Not sure if this is related but Windfart said the Raptors may highly probably waive the physical

[r0drig0lac]

I think the most likely explanation is they got played.

Once they had gone through so much, and had finally gotten near the finish line with the trade and come to terms with everything being finally over, Masai hit them with the cash payment uppercut.

They were so exhausted, so weak, so eager to get the taste of bad nephew out of their mouths, that they couldn't put up a fight.

Masai probably hit them with the offer pull, or pulling the pick, protesting that they couldn't do the deal, and once it got too late in the summer he wasn't going to have his first year coach and first ever coach hire not be able to fully plan for the camp and season.

Spurs gave in like wild animals do when they are about to be eaten after a long chase by an animal they can't possibly escape from. No more struggle, just sad surrender. They are that seal being pulled off the ice by a whale.

Only good thing is that the predator who ate the Spurs for dinner and is crapping them out is the raptors and not the Lakers.

But the Spurs were still eaten and made Raptor feces.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/e35cca1e2f3600cc14dabd5cfc72a9e9/tenor.gif?itemid=5077950

[Mugen]

:lol I don't think there's anything new coming out like Kawhi's injury is super serious or something...

RC got taken to the woodshed because he doesn't really have any experience in trading a guy of Kawhi's caliber. Him and Masai are close and Masai exploited the relationship to milk him dry, there's no CIA bullshit around any of this besides what was already out. This was a salary dump of Derozan and Masai played RC to make it seem like the Raptors were taking any sort of risk here...

[offset formation]

:lol I don't think there's anything new coming out like Kawhi's injury is super serious or something...

RC got taken to the woodshed because he doesn't really have any experience in trading a guy of Kawhi's caliber. Him and Masai are close and Masai exploited the relationship to milk him dry, there's no CIA bullshit around any of this besides what was already out. This was a salary dump of Derozan and Masai played RC to make it seem like the Raptors were taking any sort of risk here...

https://youtu.be/_EfjQZK6Dj8

[Ron Swanson]

She is hot AF. :toast

There are some great pics of her out there on the internet.

[SpursBills]

guys like Masai, Hinkie, Morey, and Ainge are all ruthless as fuck; they press every advantage, leave emotion at the door, are willing to take big risks, and always try and "win" a trade on paper

I get the feeling that guys like RC don't operate like that; they try and look for win-win trades, don't necessarily press every advantage; he's also just not used to making dramatic shakeups. even if you look at the biggest trade win in the past 20 years, George hill for #15 and Bertans, that was a fair trade on paper for both sides, as even the spurs only envisioned Kawhi developing into a decent 3 and D wing, and it wasn't a huge shakeup since the big 3 were still here

Not surprising that Masai absolutely took RC to the cleaners this deal

[baseline bum]

She is hot AF. :toast

No she was hot AF. That video is like 10 years old. She probably looks like shit now.

[dbestpro]

But that’s probably why he’s playing Team USA next week, to prove Spurs wrong. You could’ve got me back at Supermax.. hmmm

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

[FkLA]

Y'all are grossly over exaggerating, tbh.

Yes, it was a salary dump but this isn't Mozgov we are talking about. DD is still very valuable and I don't think there wouldve been a shortage of suitors willing to take his contract on. This notion that Masai needed to attach a bunch of high-level assets to dump him, and that RC got fleeced bc he didn't get them, is dumb. The only way it's a fleecing is if Autist stays.

[OldMan88]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down. The only SuperMax offer, if made, would have been highly qualified- prove healthy by playing, no “no trade” clause. Also, some posters don’t seem to understand the concept that the money must match or NBA won’t approve trade.

[spursistan]

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[Marcus Bryant]

Y'all are grossly over exaggerating, tbh.

Yes, it was a salary dump but this isn't Mozgov we are talking about. DD is still very valuable and I don't think there wouldve been a shortage of suitors willing to take his contract on. This notion that Masai needed to attach a bunch of high-level assets to dump him, and that RC got fleeced bc he didn't get them, is dumb. The only way it's a fleecing is if Autist stays.

:tu So the great alternative the Spurs passed on was...Saric and Covington? Leonard made his value what it was.

[Marcus Bryant]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

Then that's that. The deal has been done and back to basketball.

[ducks]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

unreal

[coachmac87]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

Link?

[Pavlov]

The Spurs got fleeced last season by Kawhi.

Cancer treatments are expensive and painful.

[Marcus Bryant]

But that’s probably why he’s playing Team USA next week, to prove Spurs wrong. You could’ve got me back at Supermax.. hmmm

He's gotta play. His health and playing ability moving forward were significant negatives for his trade value, in addition to the apparent holdout. You can only "rehab" for so long before it's assumed you're done.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs got fleeced last season by Kawhi.

Cancer treatments are expensive and painful.

:tu

[Mugen]

What's our cap situation next year assuming we can move off of both Pau and Patty's contracts without getting any salary back? Is that 30mil in room?

[SpursBills]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

[Marcus Bryant]

The only SuperMax offer, if made, would have been highly qualified- prove healthy by playing, no “no trade” clause. Also, some posters don’t seem to understand the concept that the money must match or NBA won’t approve trade.

He couldn't be traded for a year if he had signed it, but likely the Spurs wouldn't agree to significant terms the group wanted such as a no trade clause or perhaps it wasn't fully guaranteed.

[SAGirl]

Hate all we want but probably it's the best deal we can take. Unfortunately I'm disappointed that it doesn't include OG Anunoby. Deals outside Raptors are probably shittier well atleast we got something. Just see what happened with Cavs right now, they weren't able get anything from LeBron.
True. Hopeless and straight to the lottery. Pop did the right thing. He held out for the best deal and recognized it when he saw it. It's not ideal but it wasn't going to be once Kiwi turned away from the Spurs. Pop had a desire to continue being competitive and it's for the best. If this fails there will always be tanking ... Least resort.

[raybies]

I think the most likely explanation is they got played.

Once they had gone through so much, and had finally gotten near the finish line with the trade and come to terms with everything being finally over, Masai hit them with the cash payment uppercut.

They were so exhausted, so weak, so eager to get the taste of bad nephew out of their mouths, that they couldn't put up a fight.

Masai probably hit them with the offer pull, or pulling the pick, protesting that they couldn't do the deal, and once it got too late in the summer he wasn't going to have his first year coach and first ever coach hire not be able to fully plan for the camp and season.

Spurs gave in like wild animals do when they are about to be eaten after a long chase by an animal they can't possibly escape from. No more struggle, just sad surrender. They are that seal being pulled off the ice by a whale.

Only good thing is that the predator who ate the Spurs for dinner and is crapping them out is the raptors and not the Lakers.

But the Spurs were still eaten and made Raptor feces.
what are you goin on about lol. I was listening to the Bill Simmons Podcast yesterday and they made an astute point about how rare star for star deals are. They happen not very often at all. What did Cleveland get for Kyrie? Jae Crowder, Zizic, IT and Collin Sexton. Other than Sexton, and if he turns out, that is shit and he had two years on his deal lol. What about Carmelo? What did they get? I don't even remember. Paul George got Oladipo and Sabonis. Luckily they are turning out better than expected but they didn't get a pick. What about Shaq? or Garnett? This doesn't happen often. A lot of teams get the shaft. After Lakers traded Shaq they went to the lottery. Spurs getting a proven star, a young prospect and pick in this market was really good considering all the hoopla and health related issues of Kawhi. The dude might not even be the same. He has a degenerative condition no matter how you slice it. Only gonna get worse. He looked like ass in the 9 games he played. No lift at all. How funny would it be if we actually got the better player.

Pop said he was thrilled and I consider him a genuine guy. If you take his response at face value and that they were happy with the staff with what they got, that should be a tell tell sign that this was the very best compensation they could receive. I find it hard to believe that the Spurs caved in any light. That's not in the nature of our Front Office. I'm sorry. I'm not buying. They are better than that. We went 3 weeks with all the media saying they are holding tight to their demands and are not budging. My belief is that they just took the best deal and minimized the risk. We'll know more at the USA camp.

[Dancelot]

I’m a bit confused about the pick. If it ends up being top 20, we get it? And if it’s not top 20 Toronto gets it and it becomes 2 second round picks in 2019 & 20?

[coachmac87]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

Lmao..

[Marcus Bryant]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

That would explain a lot.

[raybies]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot
:wow

[SAGirl]

Oladipo pre-Pacers was much worse than DeRozan..Current Oladipo is waaaay better, though:lol


Chris Haynes and Woj both reporting that Kawhi is still upset, but will show up to camp and is warming up to the idea of playing on a contending team with Toronto..
If he decides to stay in the East next season.... Lol at Lakers and Clippers. East can be his if he were back to MVP form. I harbor no ill will towards the raptors and really don't care about which team reigns in the East so.. By all means Raptors are fine by me.

[Holden_Caulfield]

We still need another big. Is Costello still in the roster? Metu will probably be a two way player

[Emperor]

I’m a bit confused about the pick. If it ends up being top 20, we get it? And if it’s not top 20 Toronto gets it and it becomes 2 second round picks in 2019 & 20?

I believe we get it if it's 21-29 otherwise it ends up being 2 second round picks.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

I’m a bit confused about the pick. If it ends up being top 20, we get it? And if it’s not top 20 Toronto gets it and it becomes 2 second round picks in 2019 & 20?


We don't get it if it's 1-20, anything after 20 we get and yes to the second part I believe.

[HarlemHeat37]

If he decides to stay in the East next season.... Lol at Lakers and Clippers. East can be his if he were back to MVP form. I harbor no ill will towards the raptors and really don't care about which team reigns in the East so.. By all means Raptors are fine by me.

If Kawhi stays with the Raptors, it'll go down as a historic blunder by the 6ers front office..

[Marcus Bryant]

I believe we get it if it's 21-29 otherwise it ends up being 2 second round picks.

Yes.

[tempest186]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/sports/doug_smiths_sports_blog/2018/07/19/why-did-demar-derozans-departure-hit-such-a-nerve--he-was-like-u.html

[SAGirl]

Couple tidbits from messaging Co worker back and forth, since this went down. Orlando's Dir of Ops is from Raptor organization and good friends with Ujiri, and other staff. Also new Raptor GM Bobby Webster got his start in Magic organization and still has friends here.... So lots of talking and congrats going out.

Toronto spoke to Kawhi group before finalizing deal and while not a 100% commitment, felt assured that he would show up and play.

Toronto wasn't doing trade without Danny Green (or starting caliber 3&D SG) as part of deal. If Kawhi bought in they wanted potential starting replacement for DDR and if Kawhi chose to be a problem that they could move OG into a starting SF slot, without roster becoming to thin at wing positions. A 3rd team was explored to fill this role (Spurs preferred to keep Green) but were willing to include DG if no viable option found.

Toronto FO is elated because they accomplished every goal they had going into negotiations. They got the best player, secured SG position replacement for DDR, and didn't give up OG. Raptors also wanted to be sure that if Kawhi chooses to try and force trade that they could still be competitive in 2018-2019 and with getting Green without giving up OG, they felt they checked that box.
Thanks for this revelation. Explains Danny in the deal and the hole Spurs have for a 3 & D themselves.

[polandprzem]

1019667839786061824


:lmao x 20000003033930987289002002993000

[SAGirl]

Zach Lowe (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA)Zach (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11982)Lowe_NBA
3m (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019762309097549831)
League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...
Wow. I am catching up since yesterday and I had not seen this. Heh. Kawhi really screwed the Spurs over.

[SAGirl]

Zach Lowe (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA)Zach (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11982)Lowe_NBA
3m (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019762309097549831)
League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...
Wow. Kawhi screwing the Spurs over.

[Seventyniner]

If Kawhi stays with the Raptors, it'll go down as a historic blunder by the 6ers front office..

Not to mention the Lakers FO.

[spurraider21]

1019667839786061824
:lmao

[daslicer]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

I speculated last night with a friend of mine that I believed Magic and Uncle Dennis had been in contact for over a year and planned this out together. One of the dirtiest forms of tampering ever. Ultimately the Spurs were naive when it came to dealing with Kawhi and his uncle. They had the typical attitude of a guy who has grown up in the suburbs that gets taken to the cleaners by a street hustler.

[Marcus Bryant]

I speculated last night with a friend of mine that I believed Magic and Uncle Dennis had been in contact for over a year and planned this out together. One of the dirtiest forms of tampering ever. Ultimately the Spurs were naive when it came to dealing with Kawhi and his uncle. They had the typical attitude of a guy who has grown up in the suburbs that gets taken to the cleaners by a street hustler.

Should they have capped him instead?

[Marcus Bryant]

Also, Magic grew up in a middle class family.

[Marcus Bryant]

A one-way ticket to the Great White North is about a "street" move at this point as any.

[daslicer]

Should they have capped him instead?

:lol I would have been down with it.

[SAGirl]

guys like Masai, Hinkie, Morey, and Ainge are all ruthless as fuck; they press every advantage, leave emotion at the door, are willing to take big risks, and always try and "win" a trade on paper

I get the feeling that guys like RC don't operate like that; they try and look for win-win trades, don't necessarily press every advantage; he's also just not used to making dramatic shakeups. even if you look at the biggest trade win in the past 20 years, George hill for #15 and Bertans, that was a fair trade on paper for both sides, as even the spurs only envisioned Kawhi developing into a decent 3 and D wing, and it wasn't a huge shakeup since the big 3 were still here

Not surprising that Masai absolutely took RC to the cleaners this deal
RC didn't have an advantage. Him being taken out to the back and shot was a result of exhaustion at this saga and so many other GM already smelling blood ibn the water and circling him like sharks. Masai dangled a good bait and RC bit the bullet.

Perhaps the only real play that PATFO ha had was one they didn't want to take. They could have dealt Kiwi at a point when his value was at its highest if they had an inkling this thing with Uncle would get this ugly. If this is like a bad marriage where you can see the problems early, perhaps they had warning signs. They tried to make it work to the bitter end though and considering the Kind of player Kawhi is when fully healthy and committed he was worth it maybe. Hindsight is always 20/20... But I bet there were points in the year last where they would have gotten much more. Just not this summer, not after Kawhi had depleted his value so much, not after he made it public he only wanted LA, etc. Not after he sat out an entire year with questions about his quad.

[loveforthegame]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

Do you a link? I can’t find anything.

[raybies]

1019667839786061824
one of the funniest vids i've ever seen lol

[r0drig0lac]

Then that's that. The deal has been done and back to basketball.

[LkrFan]

Kiwi should totally do this shiiiiiiiiiiiiit:

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It would be a bigass DMC middle finger to CIA Pop!! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[DMC]

Kiwi should totally do this shiiiiiiiiiiiiit:

1020013631348633603

It would be a bigass DMC middle finger to CIA Pop!! :rollin :lmao :rollin

You do realize the Lakers have to go to Toronto to play right? Jesus you fucking be3aners are stupid. Not everyone does everything off the grid.

[TD 21]

If he can play like he did the last couple season, DeRozan enters the conversation somewhere around 12-15, IMO.

:lmao You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you? Off the top . . .

I've got 21 clearly better: Irving, Jokic, Curry, Durant, Green, Harden, Paul, Oladipo, James, Antetokounmpo, Butler, Towns, Davis, George, Westbrook, Embiid, Lillard, Aldridge, Leonard, Lowry, Wall.

And 11 debatably better: Hayward, Horford, Walker, Love, Millsap, Griffin, Thompson, Conley, Simmons, Gobert, Beal.

[Marcus Bryant]

RC didn't have an advantage. Him being taken out to the back and shot was a result of exhaustion at this saga and so many other GM already smelling blood ibn the water and circling him like sharks. Masai dangled a good bait and RC bit the bullet.

Perhaps the only real play that PATFO ha had was one they didn't want to take. They could have dealt Kiwi at a point when his value was at its highest if they had an inkling this thing with Uncle would get this ugly. If this is like a bad marriage where you can see the problems early, perhaps they had warning signs. They tried to make it work to the bitter end though and considering the Kind of player Kawhi is when fully healthy and committed he was worth it maybe. Hindsight is always 20/20... But I bet there were points in the year last where they would have gotten much more. Just not this summer, not after Kawhi had depleted his value so much, not after he made it public he only wanted LA, etc. Not after he sat out an entire year with questions about his quad.


Leonard's group likely asked for a trade before the trade deadline earlier this year. I'm sure the Spurs were caught off guard and declined. After that, the holdout began in earnest. That seems to be the simplest and most straightforward explanation for what went down. The Spurs likely did offer to just declare him out for the season, but then Leonard's camp didn't want that because it would make the injury seem worse than it 'was'. From there the relationship continued to deteriorate.

This was were things were at in January: https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/23/16924684/jalen-rose-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-wants-out

[coachmac87]

:lmao You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you? Off the top . . .

I've got 21 clearly better: Irving, Jokic, Curry, Durant, Green, Harden, Paul, Oladipo, James, Antetokounmpo, Butler, Towns, Davis, George, Westbrook, Embiid, Lillard, Aldridge, Leonard, Lowry, Wall.

And 11 debatably better: Hayward, Horford, Walker, Love, Millsap, Griffin, Thompson, Conley, Simmons, Gobert, Beal.

Bruh you’re an idiot.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Someone posted the updated Vegas over/under odds yesterday (with the Spurs at 37 or 37.5 wins) but I'm having trouble finding the post or the link. Any help finding the information to put some money down would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[HarlemHeat37]

Someone posted the updated Vegas over/under odds yesterday (with the Spurs at 37 or 37.5 wins) but I'm having trouble finding the post or the link. Any help finding the information to put some money down would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

That wasn't Vegas, that was some man's own projection model..

[DPG21920]

That wasn't Vegas, that was some man's own projection model..

I don’t see any over/under on wins posted anywhere for SA - do you?

[Kindergarten Cop]

That wasn't Vegas, that was some man's own projection model..

Oh ... thanks.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to that, would you?

[timvp]

:lmao You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you?So there are more than 20 players clearly better than a player who just got voted onto the All-NBA second team and finished in the top ten of the MVP race? Sounds like you have a problem with a lot more people besides me. That's almost as good of a take as saying Dante Cunningham is going to start at SF. Never change, man :lol

[Joseph Kony]

:lmao You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you? Off the top . . .

I've got 21 clearly better: Irving, Jokic, Curry, Durant, Green, Harden, Paul, Oladipo, James, Antetokounmpo, Butler, Towns, Davis, George, Westbrook, Embiid, Lillard, Aldridge, Leonard, Lowry, Wall.

And 11 debatably better: Hayward, Horford, Walker, Love, Millsap, Griffin, Thompson, Conley, Simmons, Gobert, Beal.

Do you actually watch basketball or do you just look at names and assume they're better? :lmao half of these players couldnt even sniff Demar's jock, get real son. Fucking Milsap? Griffin?? :lmao Lillard? :lmao c'mon son

[TD 21]

So there are more than 20 players clearly better than a player who just got voted onto the All-NBA second team and finished in the top ten of the MVP race? Sounds like you have a problem with a lot more people besides me. That's almost as good of a take as saying Dante Cunningham is going to start at SF. Never change, man

:lol



:lmao Circumstances led to that. The Raptors were the 2nd best regular season team in the league, thanks mostly to their league best bench and Lowry, but DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player) and is a nice guy, so he probably got a lot of votes from archaic types. Even with injury hurting Curry's and Paul's candidacy, he came back down to earth in the 2nd half and shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.

There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF. To be clear, I'm not advocating it though.

As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately start, despite being 1 of 2 rotation bigs on the roster and 3 period.


Do you actually watch basketball or do you just look at names and assume they're better? :lmao half of these players couldnt even sniff Demar's jock, get real son. Fucking Milsap? Griffin?? :lmao Lillard? :lmao c'mon son

I most likely watch a lot more than you do and definitely know a lot more than you do, based on your ignorant comment.

:lmao At thinking DeRozan is as good as Lillard.

Griffin, we'll see. He can't stay healthy for more than 5 minutes, so it's difficult to definitively say where he's at right now. DeRozan was better last season though.

Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.

[coachmac87]

So there are more than 20 players clearly better than a player who just got voted onto the All-NBA second team and finished in the top ten of the MVP race? Sounds like you have a problem with a lot more people besides me. That's almost as good of a take as saying Dante Cunningham is going to start at SF. Never change, man :lol



Lmao “Cunningham starting”

[timvp]

:lmao Circumstances led to that. [...] DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player)Who was their best player, then? Lowry? :lol


shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.Sounds like a lot of people don't follow the NBA. Either that, or a player on the second team All-NBA and top ten in MVP voting should indeed enter the conversation of best players somewhere around 12-15.

So, did DeRozan not deserve his All-NBA team spot the previous year either?


There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF.Wow. That's probably the worst take of the entire offseason so far :lol


As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately startDon't remember disagreeing with you. Link?


Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.:lmao Paul Millsap better than DeMar DeRozan. Scratch what I said about you thinking Cunningham is going to start at SF. This is the new leader in the clubhouse.

[BillMc]

So Danny sent than nice message to all the fans and his teammates about enjoying his time here in SA.

Did Kawhi do anything similar? Isn't one of Impact Sports's focuses "etiquette?":lol

[T Park]

DeMar DeRozan has been so underrated and so overrated since this trade.

It’s ok to think he won’t be an all star, but think DeRozan solves quite a few problems as well.

[coachmac87]

:lmao Circumstances led to that. The Raptors were the 2nd best regular season team in the league, thanks mostly to their league best bench and Lowry, but DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player) and is a nice guy, so he probably got a lot of votes from archaic types. Even with injury hurting Curry's and Paul's candidacy, he came back down to earth in the 2nd half and shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.

There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF. To be clear, I'm not advocating it though.

As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately start, despite being 1 of 2 rotation bigs on the roster and 3 period.



I most likely watch a lot more than you do and definitely know a lot more than you do, based on your ignorant comment.

:lmao At thinking DeRozan is as good as Lillard.

Griffin, we'll see. He can't stay healthy for more than 5 minutes, so it's difficult to definitively say where he's at right now. DeRozan was better last season though.

Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.


The fact you think Lowry> DeRozan is all you need to know regarding your “player evaluation”. Lowry has been out of shape and choked horribly last 2years in PO...


Last 3 Seasons

24.6ppg 4.4 asst 4.5 reb 1 stl

45% fg. 30% 3pt (flaw) 84% FT (8att per)

I can’t find or think of other SG’s who’s been as consistent. He’s arguably top 3-5 player at his position (SG)

Sincerely,

Vanilla PATFO Fluffer

[TD 21]

Who was their best player, then? Lowry? :lol

Sounds like a lot of people don't follow the NBA. Either that, or a player on the second team All-NBA and top ten in MVP voting should indeed enter the conversation of best players somewhere around 12-15.

So, did DeRozan not deserve his All-NBA team spot the previous year either?

Wow. That's probably the worst take of the entire offseason so far :lol

Don't remember disagreeing with you. Link?

:lmao Paul Millsap better than DeMar DeRozan. Scratch what I said about you thinking Cunningham is going to start at SF. This is the new leader in the clubhouse.

:lmao Lowry's only a better 3-point shooter, play maker, rebounder and defender and rates as superior in virtually every catch all advanced stat. But who needs all that when you got volume scoring. What is this, 1998?

Either not closely enough or they're archaic/swayed by politics.

No, he didn't.


Cunningham has spent 60, 74 and 70% respectively at SF, in 3 of the past 4 seasons, making 158 starts in that time. Pop was starting 3 and D wings before it became in vogue and though not a legit starter or wing, he's the closest this team has to that. I'd say that's pretty sound logic.

I said DeRozan-Millsap is debatable and about context. Still don't have basic reading comprehension, I see.

[Joseph Kony]

:lmao Circumstances led to that. The Raptors were the 2nd best regular season team in the league, thanks mostly to their league best bench and Lowry, but DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player) and is a nice guy, so he probably got a lot of votes from archaic types. Even with injury hurting Curry's and Paul's candidacy, he came back down to earth in the 2nd half and shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.

There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF. To be clear, I'm not advocating it though.

As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately start, despite being 1 of 2 rotation bigs on the roster and 3 period.



I most likely watch a lot more than you do and definitely know a lot more than you do, based on your ignorant comment.

:lmao At thinking DeRozan is as good as Lillard.

Griffin, we'll see. He can't stay healthy for more than 5 minutes, so it's difficult to definitively say where he's at right now. DeRozan was better last season though.

Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.

:lmao getting asshurt

:cry i obviously know more than you because I think choker Lillard is better than Derozan :cry

gtfo

[Joseph Kony]

and you think Cunningham was gonna start at SF? :lmao :lmao yeah you sure know a lot about basketball my man :lol

[MoSpur02]

I think DeRozan is actually going to be better because of him being able to play with Aldridge. He won't be relied on as much as he was in Toronto.

[Kawhitstorm]

I ain't from SA, bro. And why are you semen shielding? Kawhi and "his camp" handled this situation like children. I don't mind Kawhi leaving at all, but he should've done it honorably, i.e. play out your contract with little drama and then bolt to wherever you want. No one here would've had a problem.

They threw shit in his face, he threw it right back at them.....the team that cried wolf:sleep

[Kawhitstorm]

Still in the business of defending the most cancerous player of the league ? :lmao
Have you registered yet at raptorstalk.com tbh ? :lmao

I'm happy to announce that I'm now the new Raptors brand ambassador :king

[LittleCriminal]

https://i.imgur.com/aLv9GZJ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[BatManu20]

Done deal.


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[Ron Swanson]

The plane headed west for two weeks and eventually landed in Toronto.

[Wu36]

At least he’s smiling, tho playing barefoot

[SpursDynasty85]

They threw shit in his face, he threw it right back at them.....the team that cried wolf:sleep

An organization that pays you 19 million and trying to get a word out of you while your uncle is demanding ridiculous things is throwing "#$^&?" You would be a terrible employee or owner of a sports franchise. I guess the world revolves around players. That makes perfect sense.