Jakob Poeltl

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Not anywhere near as pathetic as Pop apologists.

Yeah, right?

I mean, longest tenured coach in professional sports, most revered coach in NBA (if not current American sport), and 5 time ringer vs questionable starter. Solid comparison, amirite?

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, right?

I mean, longest tenured coach in professional sports, most revered coach in NBA (if not current American sport), and 5 time ringer vs questionable starter. Solid comparison, amirite?

Thanks Tim Duncan.

[BackHome]

Also he can play with White who like Manu has good handles and likes to feeed the big dogs.

[cutewizard]

Also he can play with White who like Manu has good handles and likes to feeed the big dogs.


Perfect

[bklynspursfan]

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[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_fTky588LY

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/LenaBlietz/status/1030221172393291777

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

https://twitter.com/LenaBlietz/status/1030221172393291777

Wow...she’s super creative. Dude’s probably heard that nickname a thousand times.

[cutewizard]

Also he can play with White who like Manu has good handles and likes to feeed the big dogs.


Agree......

[cutewizard]

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The hunt for six, it begins!!!

:lobt:

[Drom John]

Kevin O'Conner: The Ringer: The Most Underrated Acquisitions of the NBA Offseason (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/9/10/17839222/underrated-nba-offseason-dwight-howard)

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1042545631489912832

[rascal]

Revisiting this. I am seeing mixed reactions to expectations.

Some were accurate and some way off in expectations.

[slick'81]

Lol@pop actually starting this stiff to start the season

[ducks]

He is in his head trying to much
He will be better in year 2 or even after 40 games

[rascal]

He is in his head trying to much
He will be better in year 2 or even after 40 games

He isn't any good like I told you. Don't count on a white big, they will usually disappoint.

[Kurgan]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1042545631489912832

Ayres said similar things about working with Duncan. Taking lessons from a HOFer isn't going to hide the fact that you're a fucking scrub.

[spursparker9]

Ayres said similar things about working with Duncan. Taking lessons from a HOFer isn't going to hide the fact that you're a fucking scrub.

:rollin:rollin

[BackHome]

I was high on him but He has soured on me would rather trade him off season and sign Nikola

[TD 21]

He's already proven he's a high level backup, but he's just the latest example of how important context and fit are for everyone in this league save all-time greats.

The Raptors 2nd unit last season was like a poor man's version of the beautiful game. The chemistry was off the charts, so naturally they all flourished.

So far this season, only Siakam (in a starting role), has matched or exceeded his performance from last season. Granted, Van Vleet, Wright and Miles, have all been in and out of the lineup, but still.

In the long run, I still think he'll prove to be a useful piece because he does a lot of things well that are important for modern bigs.

[Coach X]

Jakob is playing better lately. He's letting rivals feel his presence in both paints. He's not only crushing the boards but also finishing well the balls he gets next to the rim. I think he can help more defensively but I see a progression from the first weeks until now. The backup center role is perfect for him at the moment as he is asked to complete classic center tasks. I'm not sure what will be his role once Gasol is back but I hope he can adapt to it after having some good vibrations wearing the Spurs uniform.

[Mugen]

He needs to develop chemistry with White to be effective. White being relegated to the bench should be good for Jakob since White (apart from Derozan) are the only playmakers on the team and should be able to set Jakob up offensively when the 2nd unit comes in.

[JeffDuncan]

I guess people saw that play where Purr cat got undercut and fell so hard. Nothing on today's injury report, so I guess it was nothing but a minor 7-foot tall bruise.

[Chris]

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[hater]

Hes a banger like a Najera without the dirty

[Ryoga]

He should get more minutes!

[BackHome]

One thing for sure he is not a starter but we need to improve our starting rotation and also our bench rotation.

[RC_Drunkford]

One thing for sure he is not a starter but we need to improve our starting rotation and also our bench rotation.

and the players in the rotation

[Play Boban]

Poeltl has put together some fantastic games lately. It’s time to cht scrubby Cunningham tbh.

[Chinook]

Yeah, Jakob's been solid. If he can keep this up, then Gasol trades become possible again.

[SpursDynasty85]

Jakob looked good but the gaurds were doing great work for him tonight.

[Play Boban]

Play Poeltl..

a bright spot spot on a day of nightmares.

[TKOK]

I follow now all the games of Jakob since he joined Utah several years ago. (i am obviously biased because he is the only fellow countryman in the NBA right now)

Some thougths that came to my mind over the last days:
When Pöltl played with the bench-mob in Toronto everything was clicking (i am talking 2nd year), mostly because they had a decent shot selection, and the guards (Delon, Fred and even Pascal) knew how the to pass the ball to the inside. (It puzzles me how bad the passes right to the feet are played from the spurs).
Anyway to my point: Jakob was interviewed several times in his time in Toronto and he allways said something i didnt really understand until now. He said, that the bench should bring "energy". Well of course they should, but now i realized something from even greater importance. And it starts with the Bench, literally. The Bench in Toronto was kinda like a Home-Crowd, even when the games were played away. They allways cheered, and where jumping onto their feet. I hardly see any of this with the Spurs. For the most part maybe because Dunkings and the 3-Ball Swishes aren't really in the arenal of the players, and obviously the lack of success. But its kinda frustrating that the players don't feast of one another.
Jakob's dunks were pretty rare in year 1, and increased dramatically in year 2. Now (maybe because he shouldn't??) he is back to his layups. They fall, but they are not bringing the energy to the builing/players.

Also i hate it, when Jakob is playing great/decent interior defense, and the outside is like completly unguarded.
I am not a Basketball-Pro but i really wonder what this "System" here in San Antonio is all about. The peremiter players allways cheat inside for no (trust??) reasons and the spot shooters can feast to their liking. Is this inteded, or how did this work in the previous years?

[r0drig0lac]

I follow now all the games of Jakob since he joined Utah several years ago. (i am obviously biased because he is the only fellow countryman in the NBA right now)

Some thougths that came to my mind over the last days:
When Pöltl played with the bench-mob in Toronto everything was clicking (i am talking 2nd year), mostly because they had a decent shot selection, and the guards (Delon, Fred and even Pascal) knew how the to pass the ball to the inside. (It puzzles me how bad the passes right to the feet are played from the spurs).
Anyway to my point: Jakob was interviewed several times in his time in Toronto and he allways said something i didnt really understand until now. He said, that the bench should bring "energy". Well of course they should, but now i realized something from even greater importance. And it starts with the Bench, literally. The Bench in Toronto was kinda like a Home-Crowd, even when the games were played away. They allways cheered, and where jumping onto their feet. I hardly see any of this with the Spurs. For the most part maybe because Dunkings and the 3-Ball Swishes aren't really in the arenal of the players, and obviously the lack of success. But its kinda frustrating that the players don't feast of one another.
Jakob's dunks were pretty rare in year 1, and increased dramatically in year 2. Now (maybe because he shouldn't??) he is back to his layups. They fall, but they are not bringing the energy to the builing/players.

Also i hate it, when Jakob is playing great/decent interior defense, and the outside is like completly unguarded.
I am not a Basketball-Pro but i really wonder what this "System" here in San Antonio is all about. The peremiter players allways cheat inside for no (trust??) reasons and the spot shooters can feast to their liking. Is this inteded, or how did this work in the previous years?

dwarves without athletics, this is our thing in SA

[ragas]

I follow now all the games of Jakob since he joined Utah several years ago. (i am obviously biased because he is the only fellow countryman in the NBA right now)

Some thougths that came to my mind over the last days:
When Pöltl played with the bench-mob in Toronto everything was clicking (i am talking 2nd year), mostly because they had a decent shot selection, and the guards (Delon, Fred and even Pascal) knew how the to pass the ball to the inside. (It puzzles me how bad the passes right to the feet are played from the spurs).
Anyway to my point: Jakob was interviewed several times in his time in Toronto and he allways said something i didnt really understand until now. He said, that the bench should bring "energy". Well of course they should, but now i realized something from even greater importance. And it starts with the Bench, literally. The Bench in Toronto was kinda like a Home-Crowd, even when the games were played away. They allways cheered, and where jumping onto their feet. I hardly see any of this with the Spurs. For the most part maybe because Dunkings and the 3-Ball Swishes aren't really in the arenal of the players, and obviously the lack of success. But its kinda frustrating that the players don't feast of one another.
Jakob's dunks were pretty rare in year 1, and increased dramatically in year 2. Now (maybe because he shouldn't??) he is back to his layups. They fall, but they are not bringing the energy to the builing/players.

Also i hate it, when Jakob is playing great/decent interior defense, and the outside is like completly unguarded.
I am not a Basketball-Pro but i really wonder what this "System" here in San Antonio is all about. The peremiter players allways cheat inside for no (trust??) reasons and the spot shooters can feast to their liking. Is this inteded, or how did this work in the previous years?

I'm with you. With White - Walker - Bertans - Metu - Poeltl the Spurs could have a similar "Bench-Mob". Just play them!

I'm hoping for a second Austrian: Luka looks best out of the actual College players. He could make it.

[Indianman]

I'm with you. With White - Walker - Bertans - Metu - Poeltl the Spurs could have a similar "Bench-Mob". Just play them!

I'm hoping for a second Austrian: Luka looks best out of the actual College players. He could make it.

Brimah!

[ragas]

Brimah!

What?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I follow now all the games of Jakob since he joined Utah several years ago. (i am obviously biased because he is the only fellow countryman in the NBA right now)

Some thougths that came to my mind over the last days:
When Pöltl played with the bench-mob in Toronto everything was clicking (i am talking 2nd year), mostly because they had a decent shot selection, and the guards (Delon, Fred and even Pascal) knew how the to pass the ball to the inside. (It puzzles me how bad the passes right to the feet are played from the spurs).
Anyway to my point: Jakob was interviewed several times in his time in Toronto and he allways said something i didnt really understand until now. He said, that the bench should bring "energy". Well of course they should, but now i realized something from even greater importance. And it starts with the Bench, literally. The Bench in Toronto was kinda like a Home-Crowd, even when the games were played away. They allways cheered, and where jumping onto their feet. I hardly see any of this with the Spurs. For the most part maybe because Dunkings and the 3-Ball Swishes aren't really in the arenal of the players, and obviously the lack of success. But its kinda frustrating that the players don't feast of one another.
Jakob's dunks were pretty rare in year 1, and increased dramatically in year 2. Now (maybe because he shouldn't??) he is back to his layups. They fall, but they are not bringing the energy to the builing/players.

Also i hate it, when Jakob is playing great/decent interior defense, and the outside is like completly unguarded.
I am not a Basketball-Pro but i really wonder what this "System" here in San Antonio is all about. The peremiter players allways cheat inside for no (trust??) reasons and the spot shooters can feast to their liking. Is this inteded, or how did this work in the previous years?


Yeah...this team is a good representation of how the Spurs historically have played defense and won 5 titles.

[jermaine]

Purrrrtel is out here ballin his ass off

[UZER]

Oberto 2.0

[Seventyniner]

I'd rather him be Splitter 2.0.

[Indianman]

What?

I'm excited about Brimah playing with these guys some time in the future

[sasaint]

I'd rather him be Splitter 2.0.

He is more athletic than both Oberto and Tiago, and he goes to the basket aggressively on rolls and on offensive rebounds. Much higher ceiling.

[SpursDynasty85]

Poeltl was truly impressive tonight. Showed why Spurs traded for him.

[UZER]

I'd rather him be Splitter 2.0.

Not taking away from Splitter, he was good but soft around the basket. Oberto was not soft.

I was more referring to Oberto’s cutting and consistency around the basket.

[SAGirl]

Good development this season... I think less of Udoka praising Bryn so much and ignoring this development when asked about the surprises this season.

[Manufan909]

Splitter was killing it in 2015 on offense, and then he remembered he was made of glass. Poetl is an absolute beast, and this isn't even his final form. I hope Pop puts him back in the starting lineup soon. Just sub him out early so he can still back up LMA. Aldridge at 30 mpg is perfect, given his age. Gasol can just punt this season and collect a paycheck on the bench; I don't trust Pop to not cut Poetl's minutes in half when Pau gets back.

[cd021]

Splitter was killing it in 2015 on offense, and then he remembered he was made of glass. Poetl is an absolute beast, and this isn't even his final form. I hope Pop puts him back in the starting lineup soon. Just sub him out early so he can still back up LMA. Aldridge at 30 mpg is perfect, given his age. Gasol can just punt this season and collect a paycheck on the bench; I don't trust Pop to not cut Poetl's minutes in half when Pau gets back.

I think Poeltl returning to the SL would significantly hurt the spacing efficiency while improving the defense. Overall I doubt that would be a net positive unit.

[r0drig0lac]

he looks more and more like Splitter, where he almost always who is on court is positive doing the small things right

[Slippy]

Patty Mills owes thanks to Poetle. For helping him look like John Stockton the PnR king. Poetl on the roll knows the right angles and how to finish. He makin himself a target spurs guards cant ignore.

[cd021]

Not taking away from Splitter, he was good but soft around the basket. Oberto was not soft.

I was more referring to Oberto’s cutting and consistency around the basket.

Splitter's second season he finished 3rd in the league in FG% he was actually a very good finisher but would randomly get his shot blocked by a wing and that is what people remember.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Poetl is playing great. :tu

As a long-term acquisition, essentially getting him for Green is looking better and better.

[Harry Callahan]

Poetl is only 23 years old. He looks like a long term rotation player at the worst. He also seems like a guy who makes smart plays out there a lot of the time.

[gambit1990]

from july:

splitter 2.0, start him over gasol.

2.0 in part because jacob won’t miss so much time due to injury.

[DPG21920]

Warriors Bogut minus the elite passing is his upside.

He's already a VERY GOOD defensive player, but a soft finisher and frustrating offensive player.

With DeRozan, Gay, Mills, Belinelli and whoever else on the roster, Spurs are going to need all the defensive help they can get:lol

Dude, the funny thing is, his passing has been a MAJOR surprise. On more than one occasion he has made some eye popping passes.

[cd021]

Poetl is playing great. :tu

As a long-term acquisition, essentially getting him for Green is looking better and better.

That's a bad trade if you look at it that context- or any context really. Spurs simply should've traded Gasol instead of Green.

Poeltl is certainly playing well but the Spurs fucked that deal up.

[bklynspursfan]

That's a bad trade if you look at it that context- or any context really. Spurs simply should've traded Gasol instead of Green.

Poeltl is certainly playing well but the Spurs fucked that deal up.

I'm just wondering why people think Toronto says yes to that, no questions asked. No one knows what was proposed throughout the negotiations. Ujiri said there was 'plenty of back and forth' and times where it seemed like the deal wouldn't happen, then would happen, etc... several times.

[8FOR!3]

Tiago Splitter didn’t really come into his own here until his mid to late 20’s. Poeltl is young and already skilled his upside is solid.

[Mr. Body]

That's a bad trade if you look at it that context- or any context really. Spurs simply should've traded Gasol instead of Green.

Poeltl is certainly playing well but the Spurs fucked that deal up.

LOL. This isn't a video game. You can't just shove players onto teams that don't want them. Why would Toronto need Gasol if they still had Poetl, etc?

[Dre_7]

That's a bad trade if you look at it that context- or any context really. Spurs simply should've traded Gasol instead of Green.

Poeltl is certainly playing well but the Spurs fucked that deal up.

I am sure the Spurs tried to get the best possible deal they could. I am sure they tried to get O.G. and/or Siakam as well but they can't force the Raptors to part with anyone just because. This isn't 2K, there is no trade override option.

[BackHome]

Very suprised with Poodle it usually takes Bigs one to two years to figure out team offense and defense before they get major minutes. I guess having a shitty season and multiple players out has forced Pop hand into giving him playing time

He he can be part of the rebuilding process maybe as a starter or good bench player will see how the remaining year plays out. It will be interesting to see who we draft that I think will give indication of what they think of him and also Metu and Gasol as far as keeping or trading.

[exstatic]

That's a bad trade if you look at it that context- or any context really. Spurs simply should've traded Gasol instead of Green.

Poeltl is certainly playing well but Kawhi fucked that deal up.

FIFY. Do any of you people understand the context of this trade? You act like the Spurs were in the driver's seat, and could just include or exclude players at will, and get whatever they wanted from Toronto. Wrong...

[ceperez]

FIFY. Do any of you people understand the context of this trade? You act like the Spurs were in the driver's seat, and could just include or exclude players at will, and get whatever they wanted from Toronto. Wrong...

The fact that they gave Poetl and a first round draft choice is icing on the cake. Yes, Raptors got a better deal, but Spurs had no other choice.

[exstatic]

The fact that they gave Poetl and a first round draft choice is icing on the cake. Yes, Raptors got a better deal, but Spurs had no other choice.

The trade really can’t be evaluated until Kawhi signs somewhere next summer.

[Shakril]

You all undervalue Poeltl in this Discussion. He is at least as worthy as was Danny Green. Also Pop did target Poeltl, he wasn't just some guy the threw in. And looking at the last 2-3 Weeks, it shows that Poeltl gets better and better.

[boutons_deux]

JP's young and has a couple years, typical of bigs, to mature into his full game, his full role, "I am a difference maker" confidence

youtube "Jakob Poeltl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoMD6kdpnMg)highlights"

[Mr. Body]

Given the trouble the franchise has had getting good bigs, it was a good trade. Acquiring a lasting SF will be hard, but that couldn't be patched up with this trade and that's okay. It's all Kawhi's fault in general.

[ceperez]

The trade really can’t be evaluated until Kawhi signs somewhere next summer.

Well Green can also sign elsewhere. Meanwhile both DeRozan and Poetl are locked up long term. This also includes the Raptors pick.

[cd021]

I'm just wondering why people think Toronto says yes to that, no questions asked. No one knows what was proposed throughout the negotiations. Ujiri said there was 'plenty of back and forth' and times where it seemed like the deal wouldn't happen, then would happen, etc... several times.


LOL. This isn't a video game. You can't just shove players onto teams that don't want them. Why would Toronto need Gasol if they still had Poetl, etc?


I am sure the Spurs tried to get the best possible deal they could. I am sure they tried to get O.G. and/or Siakam as well but they can't force the Raptors to part with anyone just because. This isn't 2K, there is no trade override option.


FIFY. Do any of you people understand the context of this trade? You act like the Spurs were in the driver's seat, and could just include or exclude players at will, and get whatever they wanted from Toronto. Wrong...

Gasol had been reportedly apart of the deal just prior to the actual trade with Green being subbed in at the last minute.

It was later reported that the Spurs wanted to dump Green's salary and also Gasol mentioned prior to the deal that PATFO was satisfied with his performance last season.

I don't think that it would have been a deal breaker to swap Gasol in for Green but it sounds relatively clear that the Spurs wanted to get rid of Green. Obviously that was the wrong move. They also included $5 million in cash to get the deal done.

To recap;
-traded the best player
-kept the worst player contract on the books
-Included Green when they desperately needed a defensive wing- or a wing of any kind, really.
-Gave Toronto $5 million to help them cover Kawhi's trade kicker

It's a little odd that you'all think that isn't is a bad deal. It's not like including Gasol would've hurt Toronto long term financially, they could have stretched and waived him after this season for $2.7 million over the next three years - roughly the cost of a vet minimum and half of the cash that the Spurs sent out.

[cd021]

The trade really can’t be evaluated until Kawhi signs somewhere next summer.

Worst case is that Toronto loses Kawhi, don't re-sign Green and are out of a pick. Ujuri knew those risks and was fine with it because it it allows for them to pivot fairly easily. That's a low downside.

Best case Kawhi stays and they have a 28 year old top 5 player on a multi year deal. Spurs have DDR for another year, Poeltl potentially for a long time and maybe a 1st rounder that they may have to use to include in a package to replace the position of the two players that they traded.

I would say that the Spurs got C value while Toronto got A+ value.

[exstatic]

Gasol had been reportedly apart of the deal just prior to the actual trade with Green being subbed in at the last minute.

It was later reported that the Spurs wanted to dump Green's salary and also Gasol mentioned prior to the deal that PATFO was satisfied with his performance last season.

I don't think that it would have been a deal breaker to swap Gasol in for Green but it sounds relatively clear that the Spurs wanted to get rid of Green. Obviously that was the wrong move. They also included $5 million in cash to get the deal done.

To recap;
-traded the best player
-kept the worst player contract on the books
-Included Green when they desperately needed a defensive wing- or a wing of any kind, really.
-Gave Toronto $5 million to help them cover Kawhi's trade kicker

It's a little odd that you'all think that isn't is a bad deal. It's not like including Gasol would've hurt Toronto long term financially, they could have stretched and waived him after this season for $2.7 million over the next three years - roughly the cost of a vet minimum and half of the cash that the Spurs sent out.

We won't know if it's a good or bad deal until Kawhi makes his choice next summer. Both Kawhi and Danny could walk, and Toronto would have nothing to show for the deal, having spent the $5M on Kawhi's trade kicker. No matter what, SA wins the trade if Kawhi walks. It would then be either Danny and $5m for DeMar, Jakob, and Tornoto's first, or just $5M for DeMar, Jacob, and Toronto's first if Danny walks, too.

[playbonner15]

would like Purrdell to develop a jump shot and then a 3 pointer. Teams can easily see that he can only do P& R so passing lanes are well guarded and then he can't play with LMA coz they're both inside the 3 point line. EIther LMA or him should have the ability to move outside near the 3pt line. I vote Purdell coz LMA, at this stage, is too set on his mid range

[BackHome]

It’s a one year bargin if they win a tittle it was a great trade even if he leaves. If they don’t win a title and KY walks then it will go down as a shitty trade.

[cd021]

We won't know if it's a good or bad deal until Kawhi makes his choice next summer. Both Kawhi and Danny could walk, and Toronto would have nothing to show for the deal, having spent the $5M on Kawhi's trade kicker. No matter what, SA wins the trade if Kawhi walks. It would then be either Danny and $5m for DeMar, Jakob, and Tornoto's first, or just $5M for DeMar, Jacob, and Toronto's first if Danny walks, too.

As I said, it was pretty clear that Ujuri took that into account when offering up his franchise's Kobe for Kawhi. He apparently wanted to break the team up and also wasn't interested in playing DeMar for 3 more years.

Even if Kawhi leaves and also Green, then the Raps can transition quickly. Ibaka and Lowry expire the following season and the Raps would have clear cap (something like $40 million) if they let both walk. In the meantime they traded a top 25 player for a top 5 player and also another good starter.

Even its for one year, they won the trade by giving them a legit shot at the Finals and not taking on any negative contracts while only sacrificing a pick that- if everything went to plan- would've been bad, and Poeltl- who was considered to be the lesser of O.G. and Siakam.

[cd021]

It’s a one year bargin if they win a tittle it was a great trade even if he leaves. If they don’t win a title and KY walks then it will go down as a shitty trade.

The whole point of a GM is to put together a roster that is capable of winning a title. Masaii did that, turning a flawed Raps team that got trucked by Lebron into a Juggernaut that is projected to win 61 games and has a 48% chance of winning the finals according to Five-Thirty-Eight.

He didn't want to bring back the same team and also wasn't interested in having DeMar for 3 more years; he got out of that deal, traded the lesser of his three prospects and a pick that was always likely going to be bad. On top of that, he didn't have to take on Gasol or Mills, got an above average starter and also $5 million in cash. Uruji won the trade, either way, enough of this wait a year nonsense.

[Joseph Kony]

does anyone really think the Raps have a legit shot against a full strength Warriors team in the Finals + Cousins? c'mon. Warriors are sleepwalking and this whole drama bullshit is just media nonsense to make them seem vulnerable. come playoff time they will be dominating teams, especially if Cousins is even half as good as he was before the injury. i wouldnt trust a team full of role players that have been getting shit on in the playoffs the last few years in the Finals against the Warriors not to mention Lowry who is a known playoff choker, Kawhi is not enough imo

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1073421197142978563

Not too shabby

[Mr. Body]

does anyone really think the Raps have a legit shot against a full strength Warriors team in the Finals + Cousins? c'mon. Warriors are sleepwalking and this whole drama bullshit is just media nonsense to make them seem vulnerable. come playoff time they will be dominating teams, especially if Cousins is even half as good as he was before the injury. i wouldnt trust a team full of role players that have been getting shit on in the playoffs the last few years in the Finals against the Warriors not to mention Lowry who is a known playoff choker, Kawhi is not enough imo

This Raptors team and the current GSW team? Yeah, Toronto would wreck them. Warriors look like a shadow of themselves. Chemistry isn't there, teams have adjusted, and their bench is vomit-inducing. Still really good, but not unbeatable.

[stu scotts eye]

Poeltl is really showing some promise. Everytime he is in lately, I get excited to see what he brings.

He's just athletic/mobile enough to stay in front of players on switches. But also grunt enough to bang down low. We can throw him on Anthony Davis type players and let LMA save his energy for deep post ups and aggressive offense.

As chemistry continues to grow and his fg% stays solid, he could be a keepa!

[cd021]

does anyone really think the Raps have a legit shot against a full strength Warriors team in the Finals + Cousins? c'mon. Warriors are sleepwalking and this whole drama bullshit is just media nonsense to make them seem vulnerable. come playoff time they will be dominating teams, especially if Cousins is even half as good as he was before the injury. i wouldnt trust a team full of role players that have been getting shit on in the playoffs the last few years in the Finals against the Warriors not to mention Lowry who is a known playoff choker, Kawhi is not enough imo

The general consensus among "NBA pundits" seems to be that Cousin's impact will be neutral if not bad. He was a poor defender and is coming off a major injury. He'll give teams a place to attack on D, and that Kerr may play him too much instead of the Death lineup.

Still the favorites but this will be the 5th straight deep trip into the playoffs, historically teams underperform their expectations after multiple deep trips (i.e The Heatles and the mid-2000's Pistons)

[NameLess Scrub]

I wonder if it bothers him when they pronounce his name like iakaw purrdle.

[BackHome]

The whole point of a GM is to put together a roster that is capable of winning a title. Masaii did that, turning a flawed Raps team that got trucked by Lebron into a Juggernaut that is projected to win 61 games and has a 48% chance of winning the finals according to Five-Thirty-Eight.

He didn't want to bring back the same team and also wasn't interested in having DeMar for 3 more years; he got out of that deal, traded the lesser of his three prospects and a pick that was always likely going to be bad. On top of that, he didn't have to take on Gasol or Mills, got an above average starter and also $5 million in cash. Uruji won the trade, either way, enough of this wait a year nonsense.

I agree he had the balls to do the trade on a one year rental at a chance to win a title as far as cap space we’ll that doesn’t matter much if they can’t attract all stars to move up to the White Tundra.

[R. DeMurre]

In the last four games Poeltl has been +24, +22, +8, and +17.

His averages for December are 9.3 ppt, 7.2 rpg, 1.2 bpg, 73.5 FG%.

His PER for the season is 22.28.

His minutes, points, rebounds, blocks, and FG% have all improved every month he's played for the Spurs.

[ragas]

would like Purrdell to develop a jump shot and then a 3 pointer.

He had that when he was younger and played in Austria. Unfortunately they didn't let him shoot from outside in Utah, where he mostly had to play out of the post.

[ragas]

... Poeltl- who was considered to be the lesser of O.G. and Siakam.

Why? He was a 9th pick and the Pac12-player of the year for a reason.
Siakam had a great season so far, but it's overhyped a bit. He plays in a known system and he had a free ticket to shoot from 3, although he hit nothing. I don't think he would have played nearly the same amount of minutes or would have had the same impact on the Spurs.

[Fireball]

in the off-season I hoped Manu would stay one more year because him and Poeltl on the pick and roll would have been awesome ... at least our guys seem to realize how good Poeltl roll to the basket ... Patty and White are looking out for him more and more

[cd021]

Why? He was a 9th pick and the Pac12-player of the year for a reason.
Siakam had a great season so far, but it's overhyped a bit. He plays in a known system and he had a free ticket to shoot from 3, although he hit nothing. I don't think he would have played nearly the same amount of minutes or would have had the same impact on the Spurs.

That seemed to be the general consensus, at least based on what I had heard prior to the trade. Zach Lowe had said several times that Siakam could be an all-star if he ever became a consistent shooter while O.G. outperformed expectations as a late pick in the '40s and projected as an above average wing that can both shoot and defend.

Two seasons in, Poeltl was still very much a project and probably viewed as being further away from being an effective NBA player. He has taken a surprising step forward it seems after looking scrubby the first few games he played this season.

[ragas]

Two seasons in, Poeltl was still very much a project and probably viewed as being further away from being an effective NBA player.

Not at all. He had a very good season with the Raptors and was an important piece of their bench - and the bench outperformed other teams starters. He played 19 mpg for a 59 win team with 66% field goal percentage.

[exstatic]

That seemed to be the general consensus, at least based on what I had heard prior to the trade. Zach Lowe had said several times that Siakam could be an all-star if he ever became a consistent shooter while O.G. outperformed expectations as a late pick in the '40s and projected as an above average wing that can both shoot and defend.

Two seasons in, Poeltl was still very much a project and probably viewed as being further away from being an effective NBA player. He has taken a surprising step forward it seems after looking scrubby the first few games he played this season.

Hopefully, that was Zach Lowe's mistake, and not yours. OG was picked #23 overall, and would have been a lottery pick if he hadn't torn his ACL at Indiana.

[Dre_7]

Gasol had been reportedly apart of the deal just prior to the actual trade with Green being subbed in at the last minute.

It was later reported that the Spurs wanted to dump Green's salary and also Gasol mentioned prior to the deal that PATFO was satisfied with his performance last season.

I don't think that it would have been a deal breaker to swap Gasol in for Green but it sounds relatively clear that the Spurs wanted to get rid of Green. Obviously that was the wrong move. They also included $5 million in cash to get the deal done.

To recap;
-traded the best player
-kept the worst player contract on the books
-Included Green when they desperately needed a defensive wing- or a wing of any kind, really.
-Gave Toronto $5 million to help them cover Kawhi's trade kicker

It's a little odd that you'all think that isn't is a bad deal. It's not like including Gasol would've hurt Toronto long term financially, they could have stretched and waived him after this season for $2.7 million over the next three years - roughly the cost of a vet minimum and half of the cash that the Spurs sent out.

Where did you read that it was reported the Spurs wanted to dump Green's salary and that they wanted to get rid of him and that he was subbed in for Pau at the last minute?

[drpill]

I'm sure Pop was throwing all kinds of new things at Poetl to start the season, so it's no wonder it took him a while to start looking confident. But if he's already getting comfortable with the new direction and can continue trending upward, it's exciting to think about his potential as a Popovich project center. Guy plays with a lot of energy and his athleticism is really surprising at times. If he plays smart who knows how good he can be.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He had that when he was younger and played in Austria. Unfortunately they didn't let him shoot from outside in Utah, where he mostly had to play out of the post.

I was at the game real early. During the early warm ups he was out on the floor practicing 15 foot jumpers. When he stepped into the shot he was decent, but it was more of a set shot than a jump shot. Anything besides that was kinda ugly.

[cd021]

Hopefully, that was Zach Lowe's mistake, and not yours. OG was picked #23 overall, and would have been a lottery pick if he hadn't torn his ACL at Indiana.

That was mine, I remember he was a projected lottery pick with an significant injury that caused him to drop but thought he dropped further. Still outperformed expectations considering there were questions about his shooting and health

[cd021]

Not at all. He had a very good season with the Raptors and was an important piece of their bench - and the bench outperformed other teams starters. He played 19 mpg for a 59 win team with 66% field goal percentage.

Centers tend to take longer to reach their ceiling. He was productive rotation player but still probably viewed as being further away than O.G and Siakam.

Jakob's improvement has pretty impressive and may still yet surpass those two. He's improved in the area's that he's needed to (defensive rebounding, not fouling and FT%) it's not crazy to think that he could be a good starting center for year to come.

[Mugen]

After his terrible start, I like the kid tbh. Reminds me of the Golden God at times.

[ceperez]

I'm sure Pop was throwing all kinds of new things at Poetl to start the season, so it's no wonder it took him a while to start looking confident. But if he's already getting comfortable with the new direction and can continue trending upward, it's exciting to think about his potential as a Popovich project center. Guy plays with a lot of energy and his athleticism is really surprising at times. If he plays smart who knows how good he can be.

Spurs offense lately moves very smoothly with Poetl in the game. He plays really well with White.

[Slippy]

Where did you read that it was reported the Spurs wanted to dump Green's salary and that they wanted to get rid of him and that he was subbed in for Pau at the last minute?

From the raptors end. It was also reported they had a deal in place and pulled out 2days before . A deal was redone. Maybe Raptors came back with a Danny Green request.

[RC_Drunkford]

From the raptors end. It was also reported they had a deal in place and pulled out 2days before . A deal was redone. Maybe Raptors came back with a Danny Green request.

the real reason why Danny Green is in Toronto is cause he gets along with snakes

https://asset-sports.abs-cbn.com/web/media/articles/1440901731_image.jpg

[ceperez]

From the raptors end. It was also reported they had a deal in place and pulled out 2days before . A deal was redone. Maybe Raptors came back with a Danny Green request.

PATFO should just bite the bullet and trade Pau to memphis for some young assets.

[Slippy]

PATFO should just bite the bullet and trade Pau to memphis for some young assets.

Once hes healthy perhaps . He can stil contribute but some of his mins need to go to Poetle

[SpursDynasty85]

Once hes healthy perhaps . He can stil contribute but some of his mins need to go to Poetle

Any idea why Menphis would do that? I dont think they are tanking.

[Slippy]

Any idea why Menphis would do that? I dont think they are tanking.

No idea . Thought it would help if he's healthy for Memphis to consider a trade.

[Mr. Body]

Not sure Gasol has any worth in a trade whatsoever at this point. Maybe salary filler.

[tesseractive]

Not sure Gasol has any worth in a trade whatsoever at this point. Maybe salary filler.
If a team cuts him next year, it takes $10M off the cap ($6M guaranteed of $16M). He's definitely worth something as a way for another team to dump salary.

[koriwhat]

the real reason why Danny Green is in Toronto is cause he gets along with snakes

https://asset-sports.abs-cbn.com/web/media/articles/1440901731_image.jpg

best response yet :tu

[Andreas68]

First 3pointer from Poeltl maybe falling for the Spurs this saeson???

[ragas]

First 3pointer from Poeltl maybe falling for the Spurs this saeson???

Not his first ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFiMN32axYE

[look_at_g_shred]

Bump. Dude was a beast on the glass tonight. He helped get extra possessions that allowed us to keep and extend our lead. He’s the kind of big the spurs have always needed.

[Manufan909]

Agreed. Can't wait to see his ceiling in 5 years. Have Timmy rub off on him, put a bank shot or top of the key 3 in his game. Force Pop to play him heavy minutes.

[BSfromTX]

Bump. Dude was a beast on the glass tonight. He helped get extra possessions that allowed us to keep and extend our lead. He’s the kind of big the spurs have always needed.

+1
he got a lot of loose balls I didn’t think we even had a chance for

[Play Boban]

I was disgusted by how little poop played him tonight tbh!

[RC_Drunkford]

Pöltl pushes extra shifts in the summer
For Jakob Pöltl the previous summer was busy. Except for ten days of recovery in Cyprus, Austria's pioneer in the National Basketball Association (NBA) sweats during training for the upcoming season.Because the 23-year-old has a lot in his fourth year in the strongest basketball league in the world
In the new season starting in October, Pöltl is not only concerned with a regular place at the San Antonio Spurs, but above all with his future in the NBA. A stay with the San Antonio Spurs, who had already failed in the first play-off round to the Denver Nuggets last season, the 23-year-old, who is already back in the US after his home stay, at least good imagine.
"It was a bit of an unusual summer, the training program was even more intense than in recent years," said Pöltl in an interview with the APA. The motivation for the extra strata: "I want to prove that I have made a significant step forward." Then waving at the end of the season may be a higher endowed, long-term contract. For its upcoming fourth season in the NBA, the 2.13-meter center receives $ 3.75 million (€ 3.33 million).
　
Personnel policy positive for Pöltl
The Spurs have signed in the summer among other veteran DeMarre Carroll and power forward Trey Lyles. A designated center did not come. For the position only Topstar LaMarcus Aldridge and Pöltl are available, which were often together in the preseason on the field. "That's definitely positive for me," said Pöltl. "There's a certain amount of confidence that I'm getting the chance to really prove myself and be a bigger part of this team."
Pöltl can therefore well imagine signing his next contract in the strongest league in the world in San Antonio. The team-oriented game style of the Spurs would be him. Add to that the future prospects of the Texans. "There are a few young players getting better and better. I can well imagine that over the years we could take over the team a bit, "said Pöltl.
Several title candidates
For now, it's time to reach the play-offs again in the coming season. "That will not be easy," said Pöltl. Due to the many changes of top players the Western Conference was like the league "balanced, but all in all stronger". Pöltl is especially looking forward to the Los Angeles Clippers, who among other things have brought in the final MVP Kawhi Leonard from champions Toronto and Paul George.
The Viennese can not yet make out a real title favorite. The era of the super teams around former champion Golden State Warriors is over. "There are many teams that are title contenders now," said Pöltl. "A lot has happened, that's certainly exciting. But with teams that are so different from each other, it's always hard to say where team chemistry is right and everything goes together. "
National Team "on the right track"
No worries Pöltl that the cooperation with the new ÖBV coach Raoul Korner works. He already knows him from youth basketball times, has already talked to him about his order in June. "Humanly I think a lot of him. I look forward to the whole thing very positively. "Even if he can rarely be in the national team because of his obligations in North America. "But I think with Raoul we are basically on a very good way."
　

[Drom John]

Today's Raptor at FiveThirtyEight, WAR, minimum minutes 351

#19 2.8 John Collins, Jrue Holliday, Jakob Poeltl
#33 2.2 Bam Adebayo, Montrezl Harrell, De'Andre Hunter, Patty Mills, Royce O'Neale, Jayson Tatum, Delon Wright, Trae Young
#50 1.9 Jimmy Butler, Donte DiVincenzo, Rudy Gay, David Nwaba, Thaddeus Young
#94 1.1 Malik Beasley, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Alex Caruso, Pat Connaughton, DeMar DeRozan, Tyrese Haliburton, Brook Lopez, Marcus Smart
#113 0.9 Patrick Beverley, Trey Burke, DeMarcus Cousins, Hamidou Diallo, Josh Hart, George Hill, Talen Horton-Tucker, Zach LaVine, Shake Milton, Mitchell Robinson, Collin Sexton, Devin Vassell
#141 0.6 Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Desmond Bane, Davis Bertans, Jalen Brunson, Eric Gordon, Josh Jackson, Dejounte Murray, Mike Muscala, John Wall, Kenrich Williams, Ivica Zubac
#227 -0.5 LaMarcus Aldridge, Aron Baynes, Danuel House Jr., DeAndre Jordan, Rui Hachimura, Keldon Johnson, Luke Kennard, Landry Shamet, James Wiseman
#244 -1.1 Anthony Edwards, P.J. Tucker, Lonnie Walker IV, Coby White

[Dejounte]

I just realized I've been misspelling Jakob's last name this entire time. Wow. PoeLtl instead of Poetl.

[BackHome]

If a team cuts him next year, it takes $10M off the cap ($6M guaranteed of $16M). He's definitely worth something as a way for another team to dump salary.

Man that’s a lot some team has to be interested in that tax saving.

[Sugus]

I just realized I've been misspelling Jakob's last name this entire time. Wow. PoeLtl instead of Poetl.

You're gonna flip out then, when you realize it's actually Pöltl, and not Poeltl, either... :elephant

[Mr. Body]

You're gonna flip out then, when you realize it's actually Pöltl, and not Poeltl, either... :elephant

English usually transliterates the umlaut from German into an additional 'e.'

[ragas]

Poeltl Interview from today
https://www.skysportaustria.at/ehrgeiziger-poeltl-will-bei-spurs-etwas-aufbauen/



Before his summer vacation in Austria, Pöltl had exchanged ideas with head coach Gregg Popovic and other key employees in San Antonio. "I am now also more invested in the Spurs project," emphasized the center. "We can really build on something." The Texans recently missed the play-offs twice in a row. The demands of the five-time champion are still high. “It's a long journey back to the final,” said Pöltl. An NBA title remains his career goal.

In San Antonio, the 2.13-meter man locates a sufficiently talented team to work towards it. The summer will show in which direction it goes. It is unclear whether Spurs will extend the contracts of top scorer DeMar DeRozan and veterans Rudy Gay and Patty Mills. “We definitely have salary scope to bring in new players,” said Pöltl. This is also due to him. The Viennese had signed a three-year contract worth 26.25 million dollars (22.1 million euros) in the previous year. At that time he was a reservist and not yet a key player.

In the coming season, Pöltl will earn 8.75 million dollars - comparatively little for a regular center in the NBA. “The contract negotiations would look a little different if they were this summer,” said Pöltl. But it is satisfied with its salary. “There is no reason to complain. I am now working towards my next contract. " In San Antonio he would have a good starting point for this. "And since money is not so important to me, I don't mind that I might be a little underpaid."

He had grown into his new role very quickly at the Spurs, who parted ways with the veteran center LaMarcus Aldridge over the course of the season. The end came in May in the play-in tournament against the Memphis Grizzlies. The more time has passed since this disappointment, Pöltl said, “the more I saw the developmental steps that I had almost taken for granted”. More are to follow. The Austrian is entering his sixth NBA year. "There has to be more from my side."

Pöltl is already considered one of the best defenders in the league. Nothing will change in his basic player type. But he is working on showing more self-confidence on the offensive and becoming more “multi-faceted”. "I want to increase my repertoire at all levels." Since his appointment as a starter in February, Pöltl has scored double-digit points on average, the extremely weak free throw rate at the beginning stabilized at just over 50 percent over the course of the season.

During home training in the hall of his ex-club D.C. Timberwolves in Vienna, Pöltl works a lot on his throwing technique. "There are a lot of free throws." He also has a copy of the new ball, which will be used in the NBA from next season, with him. The return flight to the USA takes place in August. Before that, Pöltl would also like to take part in a training camp for the ÖBV national team. But he is still waiting for approval from his club and the NBA.

Whether he can work with the legendary coach Popovich next season is not yet definitely certain. “I have the feeling that he could do it for another ten years as he is,” said Pöltl about the 72-year-old. In the past few years, the rumors about a possible resignation of the starter had not come true. Pöltl would like to stay - for the young generation of the Spurs and for himself. "He is a leader that you don't get anytime soon."

[EasyMoney]

Hope he is working on a jumpshot as well.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Work those free throws big jak

[John B]

Until he starts shooting beyond 3 feet, he will always be a liability on offense. He needs to roll to the basket more and finish them strong. In college he used to do it more, even post people up. I was really disappointed in him coming from the off-season and had to re-learn to shoot the FT the 1st 20 games, and just after he got a new contract. I’m not hating on Poeltl, but I found that lazy. And sure he gets blocks, but how many dunks does he give out? That’s like Forbes hitting 3’s but giving away layups and jumpshots. I still don’t think Poeltl is a starting C, especially in the modern NBA. Reading at the article, it’s interesting that he thinks he’s underpaid and working FOR a new contract instead of focusing on improving his game per se, regardless of the contract because that would take care of itself. Sorry Poeltl but I’ve been spoiled after years of Timmy and DRob anchoring the Spurs defense which has been the envy of the league. The thing is, he is very capable just doesn’t have the right motivation.

[Mr. Body]

Until he starts shooting beyond 3 feet, he will always be a liability on offense. He needs to roll to the basket more and finish them strong. In college he used to do it more, even post people up. I was really disappointed in him coming from the off-season and had to re-learn to shoot the FT the 1st 20 games, and just after he got a new contract. I’m not hating on Poeltl, but I found that lazy. And sure he gets blocks, but how many dunks does he give out? That’s like Forbes hitting 3’s but giving away layups and jumpshots. I still don’t think Poeltl is a starting C, especially in the modern NBA. Reading at the article, it’s interesting that he thinks he’s underpaid and working FOR a new contract instead of focusing on improving his game per se, regardless of the contract because that would take care of itself. Sorry Poeltl but I’ve been spoiled after years of Timmy and DRob anchoring the Spurs defense which has been the envy of the league. The thing is, he is very capable just doesn’t have the right motivation.

He literally says he doesn't mind being underpaid and money isn't important to him.

[John B]

He literally says he doesn't mind being underpaid and money isn't important to him.

Then continues to say he’s underpaid and working on a new contract, instead of his game per se. See a Timmy or Manu wouldn’t talk about money, but would say something like, that’s my agent’s problem or something, I’m more focused on my game and how I could help the team. That to me shows where the real motivation is.

[Dejounte]

Until he starts shooting beyond 3 feet, he will always be a liability on offense. He needs to roll to the basket more and finish them strong. In college he used to do it more, even post people up. I was really disappointed in him coming from the off-season and had to re-learn to shoot the FT the 1st 20 games, and just after he got a new contract. I’m not hating on Poeltl, but I found that lazy. And sure he gets blocks, but how many dunks does he give out? That’s like Forbes hitting 3’s but giving away layups and jumpshots. I still don’t think Poeltl is a starting C, especially in the modern NBA. Reading at the article, it’s interesting that he thinks he’s underpaid and working FOR a new contract instead of focusing on improving his game per se, regardless of the contract because that would take care of itself. Sorry Poeltl but I’ve been spoiled after years of Timmy and DRob anchoring the Spurs defense which has been the envy of the league. The thing is, he is very capable just doesn’t have the right motivation.

What you think and what the Spurs think seem to be polar opposites of each other. My impression is that the Spurs view him very highly (judging from Pop’s interviews), so I’d expect him to be the starting center for years to come. I’m neutral on this since I don’t think he’s a main concern on the team, as I’ve previously said.

[John B]

I mean I wouldn’t be surprised why he didn’t play as well the 1st 20 games if he felt he was underpaid. Sorry I know many people here thinks he’s a starting C, I don’t. And I hope he proves me wrong.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

hard to read too much into his word choice because nuance will be lost in translation

need a german speaker to tell us what word he uses for 'underpaid' for example and if the connotation is different

irregardless of what he may think about his salary, he can be a solid starting C if he can hit 65% free throws (i.e. stay on floor in close games) and assert himself more on offense

if he does that and expands his game to add a jumper, etc., then he'll be one of our best players

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

hard to read too much into his word choice because nuance will be lost in translation

need a german speaker to tell us what word he uses for 'underpaid' for example and if the connotation is different

irregardless of what he may think about his salary, he can be a solid starting C if he can hit 65% free throws (i.e. stay on floor in close games) and assert himself more on offense

if he does that and expands his game to add a jumper, etc., then he'll be one of our best players

[ginobilized]

Are you all really more concerned with his "underpaid" statement?
The real issue here is the correct spelling of this man's name. Priorities, people!
Poeltl? Poetl? Pöltl?

[John B]

What you think and what the Spurs think seem to be polar opposites of each other. My impression is that the Spurs view him very highly (judging from Pop’s interviews), so I’d expect him to be the starting center for years to come. I’m neutral on this since I don’t think he’s a main concern on the team, as I’ve previously said.

I’m sure not talking in behalf of the Spurs. I’m no expert just a fan. But to watch Jonas gets 23 pts and 23 rebounds on a deciding game of the season, or a Dedmon or Claxton gets career nights when they play the Spurs, I say there’s terribly wrong with Spurs rim protection :lol

[ginobilized]

Are you all really more concerned with his "underpaid" statement?
The real issue here is the correct spelling of this man's name. Priorities, people!
Poeltl? Poetl? Pöltl?

[Mr. Body]

Are you all really more concerned with his "underpaid" statement?
The real issue here is the correct spelling of this man's name. Priorities, people!
Poeltl? Poetl? Pöltl?

Poeltl is the transliteration of Pöltl. The umlaut in German gets an 'e' after the vowel when written in English.

[Bojo]

hard to read too much into his word choice because nuance will be lost in translation

need a german speaker to tell us what word he uses for 'underpaid' for example and if the connotation is different

irregardless of what he may think about his salary, he can be a solid starting C if he can hit 65% free throws (i.e. stay on floor in close games) and assert himself more on offense

if he does that and expands his game to add a jumper, etc., then he'll be one of our best players

German native here, let me give you the gist of the interview:

Video and Text 1:
- He's a defense first type of player and plans on keeping that defense first mentality, but wants to add to his game. Won't focus on individual defensive drills too much since he has a knack for defense anyways and thinks he'll furtherly improve on that end with more experience/athleticism, but rather on offense, especially with the ball (jump shot/free throws, post moves). Doesn't want to imitate Gobert/Jokic, but rather improve as the archetype of player he is.
- He feels like the Spurs have the pieces to build something. Expectations around the organization are very high, despite missing the playoffs twice. Says Spurs have some capspace in the offseason to bring in new players since it's still not clear whether they bring back the vets.
- His annual salary is a bit below the starting C salary in the league. Said it might look different if they negotiated this summer. Says he's content though ("there is no reason to complain at all") since money isn't his highest priority. He's working towards his next contract now. (I don't see a problem with the statement)

Video and Text 2:
- At first, it was hard to see the season positively since they struggled in the 2nd half of the season after a good first half. Now he can say it was a season filled with ups and downs, but regarding his development, he is (somewhat) satisfied.
- Says it's his sixth year now and he has to deliver more (I very much don't see a problem with this statement)

Video and Text 3:
- Since he's a starter and has a higher standing within the team and organization, he's more involved in terms of communication with Coaches and PATFO regarding not only in-game adjustments, but rather overall communication regarding the team as a whole
- He's having offseason training in Vienna right now, where he's working on his shooting technique (with the new NBA ball) and shoots "a very large amount" of freethrows. Would like to participate in one of the training camps of the Austrian National Team, if the Spurs allow it. Gets back to the States in August.
- It's still in the air whether Pop returns or not. Poeltl says "the way Pop's wired he could coach for ten more years". He'd enjoy having him back as coach because "he is a leader that cannot be replaced easily".
- US Olympic Team is "not as good as 2012, but still the favorite".

Video and Text 4:
- Hopes with more vaccinations and lower infections, there will be a return to a more normal situation. Doesn't think it'll be a normal season, but we might get a reasonably close to normal season as long as there are no major setbacks
- Likes the Bucks x Suns finals, feels like a breath of fresh air, especially for the younger generation of players
- some talk about the Euros (soccer) and the Austrian National Team

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

German native here, let me give you the gist of the interview:

Video and Text 1:
- He's a defense first type of player and plans on keeping that defense first mentality, but wants to add to his game. Won't focus on individual defensive drills too much since he has a knack for defense anyways and thinks he'll furtherly improve on that end with more experience/athleticism, but rather on offense, especially with the ball (jump shot/free throws, post moves). Doesn't want to imitate Gobert/Jokic, but rather improve as the archetype of player he is.
- He feels like the Spurs have the pieces to build something. Expectations around the organization are very high, despite missing the playoffs twice. Says Spurs have some capspace in the offseason to bring in new players since it's still not clear whether they bring back the vets.
- His annual salary is a bit below the starting C salary in the league. Said it might look different if they negotiated this summer. Says he's content though ("there is no reason to complain at all") since money isn't his highest priority. He's working towards his next contract now. (I don't see a problem with the statement)

Video and Text 2:
- At first, it was hard to see the season positively since they struggled in the 2nd half of the season after a good first half. Now he can say it was a season filled with ups and downs, but regarding his development, he is (somewhat) satisfied.
- Says it's his sixth year now and he has to deliver more (I very much don't see a problem with this statement)

Video and Text 3:
- Since he's a starter and has a higher standing within the team and organization, he's more involved in terms of communication with Coaches and PATFO regarding not only in-game adjustments, but rather overall communication regarding the team as a whole
- He's having offseason training in Vienna right now, where he's working on his shooting technique (with the new NBA ball) and shoots "a very large amount" of freethrows. Would like to participate in one of the training camps of the Austrian National Team, if the Spurs allow it. Gets back to the States in August.
- It's still in the air whether Pop returns or not. Poeltl says "the way Pop's wired he could coach for ten more years". He'd enjoy having him back as coach because "he is a leader that cannot be replaced easily".
- US Olympic Team is "not as good as 2012, but still the favorite".

Video and Text 4:
- Hopes with more vaccinations and lower infections, there will be a return to a more normal situation. Doesn't think it'll be a normal season, but we might get a reasonably close to normal season as long as there are no major setbacks
- Likes the Bucks x Suns finals, feels like a breath of fresh air, especially for the younger generation of players
- some talk about the Euros (soccer) and the Austrian National Team

:clap

[John B]

German native here, let me give you the gist of the interview:

Video and Text 1:
- He's a defense first type of player and plans on keeping that defense first mentality, but wants to add to his game. Won't focus on individual defensive drills too much since he has a knack for defense anyways and thinks he'll furtherly improve on that end with more experience/athleticism, but rather on offense, especially with the ball (jump shot/free throws, post moves). Doesn't want to imitate Gobert/Jokic, but rather improve as the archetype of player he is.
- He feels like the Spurs have the pieces to build something. Expectations around the organization are very high, despite missing the playoffs twice. Says Spurs have some capspace in the offseason to bring in new players since it's still not clear whether they bring back the vets.
- His annual salary is a bit below the starting C salary in the league. Said it might look different if they negotiated this summer. Says he's content though ("there is no reason to complain at all") since money isn't his highest priority. He's working towards his next contract now. (I don't see a problem with the statement)

Video and Text 2:
- At first, it was hard to see the season positively since they struggled in the 2nd half of the season after a good first half. Now he can say it was a season filled with ups and downs, but regarding his development, he is (somewhat) satisfied.
- Says it's his sixth year now and he has to deliver more (I very much don't see a problem with this statement)

Video and Text 3:
- Since he's a starter and has a higher standing within the team and organization, he's more involved in terms of communication with Coaches and PATFO regarding not only in-game adjustments, but rather overall communication regarding the team as a whole
- He's having offseason training in Vienna right now, where he's working on his shooting technique (with the new NBA ball) and shoots "a very large amount" of freethrows. Would like to participate in one of the training camps of the Austrian National Team, if the Spurs allow it. Gets back to the States in August.
- It's still in the air whether Pop returns or not. Poeltl says "the way Pop's wired he could coach for ten more years". He'd enjoy having him back as coach because "he is a leader that cannot be replaced easily".
- US Olympic Team is "not as good as 2012, but still the favorite".

Video and Text 4:
- Hopes with more vaccinations and lower infections, there will be a return to a more normal situation. Doesn't think it'll be a normal season, but we might get a reasonably close to normal season as long as there are no major setbacks
- Likes the Bucks x Suns finals, feels like a breath of fresh air, especially for the younger generation of players
- some talk about the Euros (soccer) and the Austrian National Team

Thanks.

He feels underpaid. It would be different if negotiations were made this Summer. He's working on his next contract. That to me is more money-motivated than expanding his game.
He won't focus on his individual defensive drills too much. Dude, Jonas schooled you the last game of the season. You have more defensive learning to do.
He said he is somewhat satisfied with his development. Really? Your 6th year and you can't hit beyond 3 feet?

Eubanks should have his height, really. I mean I see Baynes hurting people trying to dunk on him.

[ragas]

Thanks.

He feels underpaid. It would be different if negotiations were made this Summer. He's working on his next contract. That to me is more money-motivated than expanding his game.
He won't focus on his individual defensive drills too much. Dude, Jonas schooled you the last game of the season. You have more defensive learning to do.
He said he is somewhat satisfied with his development. Really? Your 6th year and you can't hit beyond 3 feet?

Eubanks should have his height, really. I mean I see Baynes hurting people trying to dunk on him.

Stop with Jonas. Of his 23 points he made only 11 against Poeltl (5/9 - that’s not bad)
And stop with hating on Poeltl and pretending to not hate on him. Did he steal your wife? Looks like he can say whatever he wants and you make the worst of it. He was asked in an interview about his contract and answered the question. What‘s wrong with that? He‘s a pro - of course he plays for a new contract - like every guy in the NBA. You completely ignore the fact that he mentions that money isn‘t the most important thing for him and that he‘s satified with his salary.

He litterally says that he has to deliver more - a great sign for me that he‘s aware of his shortcomings and that he‘s going to improve his skills in the offseason.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He's a pretty good defensive specialist. His whole offensive game needs some work, but I don't mind him being on the roster. There's certainly worse big men out there.

[ismael-robert]

We're seeing a trend of players emerging in their 6th years so let's see if it holds true here

[ragas]

fyi, here are the correct quotes from the interview:


Reporter:
"Is the contract good for you? Some people say that you are underpaid?"

Pöltl:
"Well I don’t think that way. I don’t get into those discussions: Would this summer be a better year for contracts? Well yes maybe, but I really can’t complain and I am working now as hard as I can."

So he never said that he feels to be underpaid. The reporter war bringing it up.

Another quote:


I'm practicing every day. I work on pick and roll action and on my shooting. I also want to work more on the post game. We worked in SA already with the new ball and I have one here as well.

[ragas]

More from the interview:


First I was not as aggressive as a starter as I should be, it took me some time. It got better later in the season and I am working on that, first after the season in SA and now in Vienna. I try to be more versatile in my offensive game.

I will always be a defensive minded player, that’s my nature. But of course I need to improve on all levels. I know I have to work on offense, I try to get as many repetitions as possible in my training. I want to grow as a player and I am working hard on it.

[Rocalcio]

Until he starts shooting beyond 3 feet, he will always be a liability on offense. He needs to roll to the basket more and finish them strong. In college he used to do it more, even post people up. I was really disappointed in him coming from the off-season and had to re-learn to shoot the FT the 1st 20 games, and just after he got a new contract. I’m not hating on Poeltl, but I found that lazy. And sure he gets blocks, but how many dunks does he give out? That’s like Forbes hitting 3’s but giving away layups and jumpshots. I still don’t think Poeltl is a starting C, especially in the modern NBA. Reading at the article, it’s interesting that he thinks he’s underpaid and working FOR a new contract instead of focusing on improving his game per se, regardless of the contract because that would take care of itself. Sorry Poeltl but I’ve been spoiled after years of Timmy and DRob anchoring the Spurs defense which has been the envy of the league. The thing is, he is very capable just doesn’t have the right motivation.

I think what he means by working toward his next contract is that he will improve his weaknesses.

[Dex]

Jakob's calling card is obviously his defense and rim protection, and I'm fine with him hanging his hat there.

Even with his limited offensive skillset, he averaged 11.6 PP36 last season and that pretty much all came on rolling to the rim and offensive rebounds. He also made strides in his free throw shooting after an abysmal start.

If Poeltl can succeed in adding ANY sort of offense to his game (a hook shot, maybe a short jumper) and bump that up to 15 PP36, he would become one of the best contracts for a center in the league.

[KobesAchilles]

Dude talked a big game last off season about how hard he was working on his game and blah blah blah. The season started and he showed up out of shape and shooting 18% from the foul line. Last year it was I should be a starter, this year it’s ok underpaid, next year it will be m not used correctly on offense to show off my unique offensive move set. Gtfoh

[Sugus]

Stop with Jonas. Of his 23 points he made only 11 against Poeltl (5/9 - that’s not bad)
And stop with hating on Poeltl and pretending to not hate on him. Did he steal your wife? Looks like he can say whatever he wants and you make the worst of it. He was asked in an interview about his contract and answered the question. What‘s wrong with that? He‘s a pro - of course he plays for a new contract - like every guy in the NBA. You completely ignore the fact that he mentions that money isn‘t the most important thing for him and that he‘s satified with his salary.

He litterally says that he has to deliver more - a great sign for me that he‘s aware of his shortcomings and that he‘s going to improve his skills in the offseason.

You're never gonna convince a player hater to stop hating on the player, tbh. Everything you said is true though - the game against the Grizzlies (all of them, really) exposed our lack of a proper PF with size much more than it did Poeltl's defensive shortcomings. Reminds me of a game against the Bulls this very season, where some poster (I think it was John B himself?) was talking shit at Poeltl after the game too, about how he didn't contest anything and Bulls had a layup line to the hoop all game - then another poster brought the stats: turns out Poeltl had contested the most shots, by any player on either team, for the game. Eye test and counting stats are shit ways to evaluate players, especially on defense.

Also :lol at outrage for players talking about contracts. People need to let the Big 3 go. Every player is a brand nowadays, if your standard for "good-headed player" is to never mention money, contracts, or that sort of thing, ever, you're gonna be disappointed by every single player in the league. Timmy's long gone, fellas...

[Sugus]

Jakob's calling card is obviously his defense and rim protection, and I'm fine with him hanging his hat there.

Even with his limited offensive skillset, he averaged 11.6 PP36 last season and that pretty much all came on rolling to the rim and offensive rebounds. He also made strides in his free throw shooting after an abysmal start.

If Poeltl can succeed in adding ANY sort of offense to his game (a hook shot, maybe a short jumper) and bump that up to 15 PP36, he would become one of the best contracts for a center in the league.

Don't leave out that his PnR partner, by far the best generator for offense and points for Jakob, went down with injury an entire half season and barely played. I said before the season that we had to wait for White to come back and be healthy to see what Jakob could do, and alas - he came back, and Jak immediately started to string together double-digit games. Then he goes down, and it's back to Dejounte struggling with entry passes and taking pullup J's every time in the PnR. To DJ's credit, he got better at finding a rolling Jak as the season went on, especially those crisp bounce passes, but it still doesn't compare to the passing game that White has.

A hook shot would be sweet, a jumper of any kind I'm not holding out hopes for. I'm actually most eager to see him develop a post game. There's so many easy points to be had nowadays, with so few capable big men defending the rim, a simple fake and layup off a good pass is enough to score 8 times out of 10. No need to get fancy, dream-shake level moves either, just the confidence to do it and a certain amount of touch is enough most times. Jakob's got to make better use of his size, especially when teams are trotting out small-ball Cs. Gotta punish those.

[J_Paco]

Don't leave out that his PnR partner, by far the best generator for offense and points for Jakob, went down with injury an entire half season and barely played. I said before the season that we had to wait for White to come back and be healthy to see what Jakob could do, and alas - he came back, and Jak immediately started to string together double-digit games. Then he goes down, and it's back to Dejounte struggling with entry passes and taking pullup J's every time in the PnR. To DJ's credit, he got better at finding a rolling Jak as the season went on, especially those crisp bounce passes, but it still doesn't compare to the passing game that White has.

A hook shot would be sweet, a jumper of any kind I'm not holding out hopes for. I'm actually most eager to see him develop a post game. There's so many easy points to be had nowadays, with so few capable big men defending the rim, a simple fake and layup off a good pass is enough to score 8 times out of 10. No need to get fancy, dream-shake level moves either, just the confidence to do it and a certain amount of touch is enough most times. Jakob's got to make better use of his size, especially when teams are trotting out small-ball Cs. Gotta punish those.

Crazy part is he had a post up game in college, but that has gone MIA since he was drafted.


https://youtu.be/hCGI71BclR

It's probably due to a myriad of reasons why, but we need him to at least be a threat on mismatches. Which he totally isn't, right now.

[Sugus]

Crazy part is he had a post up game in college, but that has gone MIA since he was drafted.


https://youtu.be/hCGI71BclR

It's probably due to a myriad of reasons why, but we need him to at least be a threat on mismatches. Which he totally isn't, right now.

Youtube isn't playing the video for me, got another link or something? Thanks. Either way, I think I know which one you're talking about.

It's always sad to see NBA players who had a lot of weapons in their arsenal growing up, be relegated to doing much less on offense, just because it's more valuable for another player to be ball-hogging and making things happen. Not saying it's wrong, analytics don't lie, but it's certainly sad. Most recently Brook Lopez on the Bucks is the flag bearer for this phenomena, it was awesome seeing him get an opportunity to use his full skillset last round when Giannis went down. Such a shame the way post game has been bastardized by the NBA...

Anyways, back to Jakob, I agree. It's definitely part mental of him not being aggressive enough on mismatches, but I do wonder up to what point do the coaches tell him not to do certain things on the court. At this point though, I hope he's working any part of his offensive game, I'm not gonna get picky over which ones :lol

[J_Paco]

Youtube isn't playing the video for me, got another link or something? Thanks. Either way, I think I know which one you're talking about.

It's always sad to see NBA players who had a lot of weapons in their arsenal growing up, be relegated to doing much less on offense, just because it's more valuable for another player to be ball-hogging and making things happen. Not saying it's wrong, analytics don't lie, but it's certainly sad. Most recently Brook Lopez on the Bucks is the flag bearer for this phenomena, it was awesome seeing him get an opportunity to use his full skillset last round when Giannis went down. Such a shame the way post game has been bastardized by the NBA...

Anyways, back to Jakob, I agree. It's definitely part mental of him not being aggressive enough on mismatches, but I do wonder up to what point do the coaches tell him not to do certain things on the court. At this point though, I hope he's working any part of his offensive game, I'm not gonna get picky over which ones :lol

Gonna find some other links and maybe something from his rookie year. I feel like he showed more offensively that year, but has "regressed" or been less aggressive finding his own offense since.

[ragas]

Youtube isn't playing the video for me, got another link or something? Thanks. Either way, I think I know which one you're talking about.

It's always sad to see NBA players who had a lot of weapons in their arsenal growing up, be relegated to doing much less on offense, just because it's more valuable for another player to be ball-hogging and making things happen. Not saying it's wrong, analytics don't lie, but it's certainly sad. Most recently Brook Lopez on the Bucks is the flag bearer for this phenomena, it was awesome seeing him get an opportunity to use his full skillset last round when Giannis went down. Such a shame the way post game has been bastardized by the NBA...

Anyways, back to Jakob, I agree. It's definitely part mental of him not being aggressive enough on mismatches, but I do wonder up to what point do the coaches tell him not to do certain things on the court. At this point though, I hope he's working any part of his offensive game, I'm not gonna get picky over which ones :lol

Part of the problem is that Jakob got almost no time in the D-League (2 games) as a Raptor - other than Siakam & VanFleet. And the Raptors were a playoff-team, so he was forced into a very strict role.

[Texas_Ranger]

gotta say i am happy that he's our starting center, as with any other one, i think we would actually win games and right now we need loses.
always great to have someone that gives zero fuck about basketball helping you tank.

[objective]

First I've heard about a 'new ball'. I wonder what's so different about it.

[KobesAchilles]

First I've heard about a 'new ball'. I wonder what's so different about it.
They changed brands from Spalding to Wilson

[ragas]

Austrian Press Agency (APA):


Jakob Pöltl will get a bigger role in his sixth NBA season, the fourth with the San Antonio Spurs. The Texans have not only traded their top scorer DeMar DeRozan to the Chicago Bulls in the past few weeks, but have also let other veterans go. It is also up to Pöltl to fill the gap.


The Viennese, who is returning to the USA on Thursday after almost two months at home, is aware of this. “We lost some of our leading players - both in the dressing room and top performers on the field. It's no on the next generation, ”said Pöltl in an interview with the APA. It would be up to players like Dejounte Murray, Derrick White or himself to take over the team. "We have to take another step in order to lead the team."

Pöltl compared the situation with his second and final year of college in Utah (2015/16 season, note), when he had risen to team leader and was suddenly in focus. It does not require any special preparation. “Something like that happens naturally.” The 25-year-old, who has so far been noticed primarily as a strong defender in the North American professional basketball league, assumes that his point average will also go up.

In the past season, the center scored 8.6 points, 7.9 rebounds and 1.8 blocks per game, but after being promoted to starter in February, it already scored double-digit points on average. "We saw the beginning last year, but it will hopefully happen more and more now," said Pöltl about his role as a scorer. The coaches had communicated to him that he had to take the next step - after all, some points had to be redistributed.

Pöltl will have his first NBA year without the DeRozan, with whom he had already played in Toronto and was traded to Texas in 2018. "It will be strange to play a season without DeMar," said the Austrian. He has developed a good understanding of his game over the past few years. Mills (now Brooklyn Nets) and Gay (now Utah Jazz) would also leave a big gap, both according to Pöltl as “emotional leaders” of the team.

The five-time champion starts the season starting on October 19th as a blatant outsider. "The good thing is that we can go in relatively without pressure," explained Pöltl. "I still believe that we have what it takes to play in the play-offs or the play-in tournaments." It will take time to get used to it. "When you lose so many important roles, you have to find yourself a little bit again as a team."

Pöltl is tied to Spurs for another two years. Playmaker Murray emerges as the leader of the Texans, with whom he trained and spoke intensively before his stay in Europe. Pöltl should form a powerful duo with the 24-year-old. Team training in San Antonio begins at the end of September. Pöltl flies from Vienna to Las Vegas on Thursday morning. After a few days of training on the fringes of the Summer League, you will continue to Los Angeles for individual preparation

https://www.facebook.com/JakobPoeltl/posts/379071703574232
https://www.facebook.com/JakobPoeltl/posts/372672500880819

[tapiefan]

The defensive impact of Jak:

https://imgshare.io/images/2021/08/15/20210815_110250.jpg

[Sugus]

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/spurs-poeltl-ready-to-take-on-a-leadership-role-offensive-nba-san-antonio/273-f32b6aa0-17bc-490c-8d45-61da11885220

Spurs' Poeltl ready to take on a leadership role, do more on the offensive end


SAN ANTONIO — Spurs center Jakob Poeltl will be entering the 2021-22 regular season looking to fill a much-needed leadership void left by veterans DeMar DeRozan, Patty Mills and Rudy Gay.

The Spurs will enter the new season set to embark on a youth movement.

Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, and Lonnie Walker IV will be among the young players set to be the focal point of the team's rebuild with Poeltl embracing a leadership role.

Speaking with Austria's APA, Poeltl acknowledges the team will have to look to Derrick White, Dejounte Murray (the team's longest-tenured player) and himself for guidance next season.

"We have lost some of our leading players both in the locker room and top performers on the court. The next generation will now have to move up even more," said Poeltl.

Poeltl will be entering his sixth NBA season. By that standard, he will be among the few players on the roster with six or more seasons including Bryn Forbes, Doug McDermott, and currently Thaddeus Young and Al-Farouq Aminu.

Should Young and Aminu not be on the team's roster come opening night, then Poeltl will need to be a steady hand as a veteran player on a young Spurs squad.

"We have to take another step to lead a team as leaders," Poeltl.

Poeltl says the team doesn't have to face any pressure next season which will lend to the team having room to develop.

However, he feels the team is good enough for a playoff push or to make the play-in game next season.

"The good thing is that we can go in with relatively little pressure," Poeltl said. "I still think we have what it takes to play in the playoffs or the play-in tournament."

Aside from embracing a leadership role, the Spurs center also believes he will take a step forward on the offensive end.

Last season, he averaged a career-high 8.6 points per game. He says the team's coaching staff have talked with him about doing more on the offensive end of the floor.

And he is hoping that will come to fruition.

"We saw the beginning last year, but it will hopefully happen more and more now," said Poeltl.

[John B]

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/spurs-poeltl-ready-to-take-on-a-leadership-role-offensive-nba-san-antonio/273-f32b6aa0-17bc-490c-8d45-61da11885220

Spurs' Poeltl ready to take on a leadership role, do more on the offensive end

The guy cannot even average more than 10 pts and he’s to take an offensive leadership role?? :lmao:lmao

:pop: I want some nasty!

[BackHome]

Yeah I like Poodle on defensive but he is not an Alpha type of dude - I don’t think he surrounds himself over the off season with good trainers as his offensive game has not improved at all since his first year and his free throw percentage was terrible up until the middle of the season tells me he is not working on his game.

[KobesAchilles]

Dude is to offense what Bryn Forbes is to defense. Can’t shoot, can’t pass, can’t finish unless he’s literally at the basket, causes his teammates to be double teamed or to pack the paint bc nobody has to worry about guarding him. I want him either off the bench or off the team

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Did he suddenly learn to shoot?

[KingKev]

Did he suddenly learn to shoot?

or dunk?

[KobesAchilles]

or dunk?
or be a leader? :lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

Poeltl is who he is. He will not get better at anything

[KingKev]

Poeltl is who he is. He will not get better at anything

He is a solid backup big man in today’s NBA and could be instrumental in certain playoff series. Unfortunately we are not a playoff team. I’d be selling high here as alot of playoff teams could use him to help match up with guys like AD, Embiid, Joker etc. On the Spurs as our starting center he just becomes another liability on a team with no scorers.

[offset formation]

He is a solid backup big man in today’s NBA and could be instrumental in certain playoff series. Unfortunately we are not a playoff team. I’d be selling high here as alot of playoff teams could use him to help match up with guys like AD, Embiid, Joker etc. On the Spurs as our starting center he just becomes another liability on a team with no scorers.

AD destroyed him. Embiid too as I recall. Think joker triple doubled him as the primary defender.

He got paid starter salary and should have gotten second team money.

[R. DeMurre]

Interesting that some people view Poeltl as a (permanent) non shooter, but think Chip would able to fix Ben Simmons. Poeltl's shooting has not improved one bit in three seasons. Nor has Lonnie's or Dejounte's or Luka's. Oh well-- the "kill em with mid range shooting" experiment failed spectacularly, so maybe next up we can try to kill em with non shooting :lol.

[exstatic]

Poeltl is who he is. He will not get better at anything

That’s not even remotely true. He was a dreadful Drebounder when he got here, with a DRB% of like 16, his two years in Toronto. It’s been over 20% for his 3 years here. Is he going to be an All Star? No. He’s too hard a worker to not improve, though.

[exstatic]

Interesting that some people view Poeltl as a (permanent) non shooter, but think Chip would able to fix Ben Simmons. Poeltl's shooting has not improved one bit in three seasons. Nor has Lonnie's or Dejounte's or Luka's. Oh well-- the "kill em with mid range shooting" experiment failed spectacularly, so maybe next up we can try to kill em with non shooting :lol.

Dejountes FT% has gone from 70 to 79. That’s huge for someone who gets to the rim a lot.

[Rocalcio]

AD destroyed him. Embiid too as I recall. Think joker triple doubled him as the primary defender.

He got paid starter salary and should have gotten second team money.

He’s not paid as a starter.

[Drom John]

He’s not paid as a starter.

22nd highest paid center.

[R. DeMurre]

Dejountes FT% has gone from 70 to 79. That’s huge for someone who gets to the rim a lot.

He averaged 2 FTA per game while playing nearly 32 mpg, so I don't think it makes very much of a difference.

[RC_Drunkford]

He is a solid backup big man in today’s NBA and could be instrumental in certain playoff series. Unfortunately we are not a playoff team. I’d be selling high here as alot of playoff teams could use him to help match up with guys like AD, Embiid, Joker etc. On the Spurs as our starting center he just becomes another liability on a team with no scorers.

Poeltl can't guard post up bigs, that's one of weaknesses


That’s not even remotely true. He was a dreadful Drebounder when he got here, with a DRB% of like 16, his two years in Toronto. It’s been over 20% for his 3 years here. Is he going to be an All Star? No. He’s too hard a worker to not improve, though.

Right, he's such a hard worker that he hasn't developed a post game or his free throw shooting in 5 NBA seasons...

[KobesAchilles]

Poeltl can't guard post up bigs, that's one of weaknesses



Right, he's such a hard worker that he hasn't developed a post game or his free throw shooting in 5 NBA seasons...
The dude came into last season out of shape, couldn't make a free throw and sucked for the first month and half of the season. How tf is this guy considered a hard worker. Some people right :lmao

[John B]

Others would be quick to disagree, but Poeltl is lazy and not even remotely close to “hardworker,” until the coaching staff lit up his ass and talk to him. There’s no question we signed Zollins, Londale who both have arsenals of offensive moves, not to mention can hit outside. Don’t look now, but Eubanks is closing in real fast. Too bad, Poeltl has the height and bball IQ but has the slacker attitude.

[CGD]

22nd highest paid center.

Shows you how much the C position has fallen off.

[KingKev]

I’m really not defending Jak but he is not overpaid. There are many teams who could use him in a backup role for 20-25 mins a game. I was indifferent when we resigned him at this level but truthfully think he would be a nice piece to sweeten any potential trades. Thad Young, D White, Jak and Walker IV are all interesting trade chips from my perspective.

[The Truth #6]

I wouldn’t say he’s a slacker, more like has zero confidence and doesn’t realize he’s better than he thinks he is? But not saying he’s a hard worker either.

[Rocalcio]

22nd highest paid center.

Everybody agreed that the Spurs had a great deal when he signed his new contract.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Those who look at Poeltl's weaknesses and call him a bust/slacker are morons. Poeltl has steadily improved as a 7'1'' center in a league where centers are dinosaurs. He has among the best per minute plus /minus contributions in the league. Why? Because he does all the little things very well - setting screens, constant motion, good on finishing, excellent rim protection and good enough to play in an island against wing players too. It is good to expect him to get better and it was frustrating to see him regress in FT shooting last year, but to his credit, he was way better during the later half of the season than the earlier one and it looked like his stroke was much better and consistent. To expect him to become a three point shooter is foolish. Very very few centers - Brook Lopez, Myles Turner have suddenly become useful at that and even there they are not more than average shooters. Beyond a point, in crunch time, three point shooting by centers like those isn't as valuable as having a post game and being able to play as a pick and roll finisher, unless you are a much better dead eye shooter like say Kristaps Porzingis.

Which is why I think Poeltl needs to improve at other stuff - occasional post scoring, maybe develop a decent hook shot and more importantly, finish stronger at the rim when the opportunity presents itself rather than always going the soft layup route (which he is good at too). If Samanic, Johnson and White improve their three point shooting and consistency, the Spurs can be a tough nut to crack even if Murray and Poeltl aren't strong threats as 3 point scorers. They would play very good defense and will be a good White/Murray led motion-offense team. The onus is on Johnson, White, Samanic therefore, this season to take care of wing scoring. Poeltl and Murray can keep expanding on their key strengths rather than finding something alien to their game.

[james evans]

Poodle is azz. Where else in the league would he be starting aside from SA?

[Rocalcio]

Poodle is azz. Where else in the league would he be starting aside from SA?

Brooklyn, Charlotte, Dallas, Detroit, LA Clippers, New York, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Sacramento, Toronto, Washington.

[xellos88330]

I agree that there were times when I wish he was more aggressive with the ball. The question is if he has the tools to do it with a positive outcome consistently. It is a big role, and I am hoping he is up to it.

[KobesAchilles]

Those who look at Poeltl's weaknesses and call him a bust/slacker are morons. Poeltl has steadily improved as a 7'1'' center in a league where centers are dinosaurs. He has among the best per minute plus /minus contributions in the league. Why? Because he does all the little things very well - setting screens, constant motion, good on finishing, excellent rim protection and good enough to play in an island against wing players too. It is good to expect him to get better and it was frustrating to see him regress in FT shooting last year, but to his credit, he was way better during the later half of the season than the earlier one and it looked like his stroke was much better and consistent. To expect him to become a three point shooter is foolish. Very very few centers - Brook Lopez, Myles Turner have suddenly become useful at that and even there they are not more than average shooters. Beyond a point, in crunch time, three point shooting by centers like those isn't as valuable as having a post game and being able to play as a pick and roll finisher, unless you are a much better dead eye shooter like say Kristaps Porzingis.

Which is why I think Poeltl needs to improve at other stuff - occasional post scoring, maybe develop a decent hook shot and more importantly, finish stronger at the rim when the opportunity presents itself rather than always going the soft layup route (which he is good at too). If Samanic, Johnson and White improve their three point shooting and consistency, the Spurs can be a tough nut to crack even if Murray and Poeltl aren't strong threats as 3 point scorers. They would play very good defense and will be a good White/Murray led motion-offense team. The onus is on Johnson, White, Samanic therefore, this season to take care of wing scoring. Poeltl and Murray can keep expanding on their key strengths rather than finding something alien to their game.
So a top 10 pick who plays less than 25 minutes a game, averages like 6 and 6 and can’t shoot the ball past 3 feet isn’t a bust? Would love to have you as my boss. Also when you show up in the beginning of last season out of shape, didn’t work on your offensive game at all during the summer, AND start off by shooting 18% from the foul line, I think it’s more than a little fair to say he slacked during his off time. He’s a guy that needs constant coaching and attention to be an average player. Some people are gym rats and look for ways to improve while others are just 7 feet tall and happy to be where they are at.

[KobesAchilles]

Brooklyn, Charlotte, Dallas, Detroit, LA Clippers, New York, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Sacramento, Toronto, Washington.
So other shitty ass tanking teams? :lol

[talkspurs]

So a top 10 pick who plays less than 25 minutes a game, averages like 6 and 6 and can’t shoot the ball past 3 feet isn’t a bust? Would love to have you as my boss. Also when you show up in the beginning of last season out of shape, didn’t work on your offensive game at all during the summer, AND start off by shooting 18% from the foul line, I think it’s more than a little fair to say he slacked during his off time. He’s a guy that needs constant coaching and attention to be an average player. Some people are gym rats and look for ways to improve while others are just 7 feet tall and happy to be where they are at.

When I first read your post I thought you were talking about Simmons. Then I looked at the thread title and saw it was about Poeltl. Looked up Simmons numbers and his are 14 7 and 7. Poeltl is 8 and 8 though.

[KobesAchilles]

When I first read your post I thought you were talking about Simmons. Then I looked at the thread title and saw it was about Poeltl. Looked up Simmons numbers and his are 14 7 and 7. Poeltl is 8 and 8 though.
You can call Simmons a bust too? Idgaf about that. Although he is a better player than Poeltl.

[XDT76]

He has his weakness, but you hardly can call him a bust when he is top 3 in shots contested and screen assist.

[Rocalcio]

So other shitty ass tanking teams? :lol

Yeah, especially Brooklyn and the Clippers...

[Spursfanfromafar]

Yeah. Fools who look at box score raw numbers without understanding player impact in the 21st century NBA are basically what they are - fools. Meanwhile in terms of overall impact, Jakob Poeltl was joint 5th among Centers last season (based on fivethirtyeight.com). If I were a boss, I would lean on advanced numbers that capture player value holistically.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

[Chinook]

Advanced stats -- especially an individual stat like RAPTOR -- won't give the complete picture of a player that some fans assume. Advanced stats are largely based on opinion for which combination of numbers makes the most sense in determining a player's value. Even ones based in RAPM have the major flaw of reducing players past the point of roles. It leads folks to assume a high-stat role-player is more important than a low-stat star.

None of that says Poeltl wasn't a good center last year. But he's not objectively a top-five center just because RAPTOR says he was. It's evidence in his case, not a deciding factor by itself.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Advanced stats -- especially an individual stat like RAPTOR -- won't give the complete picture of a player that some fans assume. Advanced stats are largely based on opinion for which combination of numbers makes the most sense in determining a player's value. Even ones based in RAPM have the major flaw of reducing players past the point of roles. It leads folks to assume a high-stat role-player is more important than a low-stat star.

None of that says Poeltl wasn't a good center last year. But he's not objectively a top-five center just because RAPTOR says he was. It's evidence in his case, not a deciding factor by itself.

My point is that he isn't a top 5 center because advanced stats say so, but that because advanced stats rate him so high, he is far from a bust and has much higher utility value than the average fans think about him.

[rankingtear]

Yeah. Fools who look at box score raw numbers without understanding player impact in the 21st century NBA are basically what they are - fools. Meanwhile in terms of overall impact, Jakob Poeltl was joint 5th among Centers last season (based on fivethirtyeight.com). If I were a boss, I would lean on advanced numbers that capture player value holistically.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

A lot of posters still refer to RAPTOR, the top 3 now are DPM , EPM and LEBRON in order. https://apanalytics.shinyapps.io/DARKO//

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah, especially Brooklyn and the Clippers...
Oh but Washington, OKC, Charlotte Detroit, Orlando, and Toronto are just all contenders :rolleyes

Btw he wouldn't start in Dallas, that's an asinine statement. You don't bench a guy in the regular season that you're paying 33 million dollars a year to play. And he wouldn't start for the Knicks either. But yeah the Nets have 3 of the best shooters/creators ever at their position so he could work there. He wouldn't even work in Golden St. And Poeltl and Zubach are basically in the same role so why would he start on the Clippers? They already have their Poeltl

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah. Fools who look at box score raw numbers without understanding player impact in the 21st century NBA are basically what they are - fools. Meanwhile in terms of overall impact, Jakob Poeltl was joint 5th among Centers last season (based on fivethirtyeight.com). If I were a boss, I would lean on advanced numbers that capture player value holistically.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

If you were a boss you would basically excuse shitty performances in rather important elements bc he is decent in other ones? That makes zero sense. Poeltl isn't the 5th most impactful Center in the NBA. The advanced nuumbers for him look so good bc Pop is smart enough to not play him starters minutes. And impact on a shitty team means less than impact on a good team. On basically every other good team, Poeltl would be a bench player

[Rocalcio]

Oh but Washington, OKC, Charlotte Detroit, Orlando, and Toronto are just all contenders :rolleyes

Btw he wouldn't start in Dallas, that's an asinine statement. You don't bench a guy in the regular season that you're paying 33 million dollars a year to play. And he wouldn't start for the Knicks either. But yeah the Nets have 3 of the best shooters/creators ever at their position so he could work there. He wouldn't even work in Golden St. And Poeltl and Zubach are basically in the same role so why would he start on the Clippers? They already have their Poeltl

You were just talking about any NBA team, not only contenders.

And we're not discussing the salary, just the level. I believe he would start in Dallas yes, even if another center has a higher salary.

[Spursfanfromafar]

A lot of posters still refer to RAPTOR, the top 3 now are DPM , EPM and LEBRON in order. https://apanalytics.shinyapps.io/DARKO//

Thanks for the link. DARKO DPM metrics rank him 9th on defense and 228th on offense to cumulatively rank 46th in the NBA. Thats a good ranking for someone who is paid $9-10 million per year. Its excellent value for money.

[TD 21]

So a top 10 pick who plays less than 25 minutes a game, averages like 6 and 6 and can’t shoot the ball past 3 feet isn’t a bust? Would love to have you as my boss. Also when you show up in the beginning of last season out of shape, didn’t work on your offensive game at all during the summer, AND start off by shooting 18% from the foul line, I think it’s more than a little fair to say he slacked during his off time. He’s a guy that needs constant coaching and attention to be an average player. Some people are gym rats and look for ways to improve while others are just 7 feet tall and happy to be where they are at.

:lmao At counting stats without context in '21.

[KobesAchilles]

:lmao At counting stats without context in '21.
Lot of stans here. I’ve never seen such love for a loser player before. I mean one crazy guy supporting Jimmer, sure. Even the playblair guy is crazy but he’s just one guy. But the amount of love for our loser starting Center whom sucks is beyond belief. I mean the dude sucks as a starter. And if he is your starting center then you aren’t contending.

We used to celebrate champions in the Duncan era. All time greats in David and Ice. Role players who stepped up in the playoffs and redeemed themselves after disastrous beginnings like Sean and AJ and Bruce. And now we have fallen so low that we are championing Jakob fucking Poeltl

Here’s a list of things Poeltl can’t do or hasn’t achieved
-play legit starter minutes (so all you bitches who whine to me about using stats outta context when you do the exact same fucking thing when you bring up his advanced stats)
- average double digit anything
-make an all star team
-make an all nba defense team (when supposedly he’s better than Gobert on defense according to some here)
-make a positive impact in the playoffs
-shoot the ball
-be a threat to score and not have his man clog the paint all fucking game long for our guards
- play with intensity every night
-show up in shape to start the season
- be a leader
-back up his talk/whining during the offseason
-guard any big man that’s actually good
-pay for teams hacking him
-won any damn thing with us and make us not regret getting shafted by Toronto


Things he can do or has done
lead all role players in the Matt Bonner analytics department
he can switch well and stick with guards (probably the thing everyone is so enamored with)
however he follows that up with
-plays good defense 3 outta 5 games
-sets good screens
-gets .8 rebounds more than our PG
-has become a better finisher (still soft though)
-is 7 feet and in the world of midgets that’s still nice to have
-having idiots say how great he is

[KobesAchilles]

You were just talking about any NBA team, not only contenders.

And we're not discussing the salary, just the level. I believe he would start in Dallas yes, even if another center has a higher salary.
There’s no way he would start of Kristap. It just wouldn’t happen. You don’t give up three 1st rounders, pay a dude $33 million and then bench him. That’s stupid. You make that move and it’s a ride or die move. Dallas would die with Kristaps before starting Poeltl. He wouldn’t start on the Clippers so that’s another team gone. He wouldnt start for the Knicks either bc he doesn’t fit with Randle. My point is that if he is your starting center then you aren’t contending.

I will give you the Nets though but that’s a rather special example when you have Harden, Durant, Kyrie who can all shoot and create for themselves and others.

He wouldn’t start for the 76ers, Bucks, Knicks, Hawks, Heat, Celtics,Pacers, Bulls, Toronto, or the Cavs in the East. And I’m iffy on CHA tbh with Kai. That’s 4 teams he would be starting on imo and all of them suck save Brooklyn

Now for the West he wouldn’t start for Utah, Phoenix, Dallas, Clips, Portland, Denver, Memphis, GS, NO, Minn, and Hou. That leaves Lakers, Spurs, Sac and OKC that he would start for. Lakers obviously the best of the group but once again you need a top 5 level talent in AD and an all time great in Lebron.

So by my estimation, and you are welcome to disagree, he would start for 7 (maybe 8) other teams in the league. Not exactly the world beater these advanced stats and stans would have us believe

[RC_Drunkford]

Those who look at Poeltl's weaknesses and call him a bust/slacker are morons. Poeltl has steadily improved as a 7'1'' center in a league where centers are dinosaurs. He has among the best per minute plus /minus contributions in the league. Why? Because he does all the little things very well - setting screens, constant motion, good on finishing, excellent rim protection and good enough to play in an island against wing players too. It is good to expect him to get better and it was frustrating to see him regress in FT shooting last year, but to his credit, he was way better during the later half of the season than the earlier one and it looked like his stroke was much better and consistent. To expect him to become a three point shooter is foolish. Very very few centers - Brook Lopez, Myles Turner have suddenly become useful at that and even there they are not more than average shooters. Beyond a point, in crunch time, three point shooting by centers like those isn't as valuable as having a post game and being able to play as a pick and roll finisher, unless you are a much better dead eye shooter like say Kristaps Porzingis.

Which is why I think Poeltl needs to improve at other stuff - occasional post scoring, maybe develop a decent hook shot and more importantly, finish stronger at the rim when the opportunity presents itself rather than always going the soft layup route (which he is good at too). If Samanic, Johnson and White improve their three point shooting and consistency, the Spurs can be a tough nut to crack even if Murray and Poeltl aren't strong threats as 3 point scorers. They would play very good defense and will be a good White/Murray led motion-offense team. The onus is on Johnson, White, Samanic therefore, this season to take care of wing scoring. Poeltl and Murray can keep expanding on their key strengths rather than finding something alien to their game.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

yeah right, not being able to develop a hook shot, one of the most basic moves in basketball, after 5 NBA seasons shows you exactly what kind of work ethic this guy has. It's hilarious to me how many people bash players but then want to defend a guy like Poeltl who publicly said he thinks he should start, but hasn't improved anywhere. All that you are saying is that his impact numbers improved, nothing else. Has he added any moves since college? In fact he actually posted up in college and looked way better offensively than he does now. Also nobody expects him to add a 3-point shot, yet this guy goes on IG and posts pics of him shooting corner 3s. Like WTF is he doing during the offseason?

Nobody is saying that his contract hasn't value or that he isn't great defensively. But his offensive skillset is laughable for an NBA player.

[james evans]

Yeah, especially Brooklyn and the Clippers...
you're out of your goddamn mind. No way does he start for Brooklyn or the clippers. lol. hell no. They would have been packaged him in a deal out of town.

[james evans]

Lot of stans here. I’ve never seen such love for a loser player before. I mean one crazy guy supporting Jimmer, sure. Even the playblair guy is crazy but he’s just one guy. But the amount of love for our loser starting Center whom sucks is beyond belief. I mean the dude sucks as a starter. And if he is your starting center then you aren’t contending.

We used to celebrate champions in the Duncan era. All time greats in David and Ice. Role players who stepped up in the playoffs and redeemed themselves after disastrous beginnings like Sean and AJ and Bruce. And now we have fallen so low that we are championing Jakob fucking Poeltl

Here’s a list of things Poeltl can’t do or hasn’t achieved
-play legit starter minutes (so all you bitches who whine to me about using stats outta context when you do the exact same fucking thing when you bring up his advanced stats)
- average double digit anything
-make an all star team
-make an all nba defense team (when supposedly he’s better than Gobert on defense according to some here)
-make a positive impact in the playoffs
-shoot the ball
-be a threat to score and not have his man clog the paint all fucking game long for our guards
- play with intensity every night
-show up in shape to start the season
- be a leader
-back up his talk/whining during the offseason
-guard any big man that’s actually good
-pay for teams hacking him
-won any damn thing with us and make us not regret getting shafted by Toronto


Things he can do or has done
lead all role players in the Matt Bonner analytics department
he can switch well and stick with guards (probably the thing everyone is so enamored with)
however he follows that up with
-plays good defense 3 outta 5 games
-sets good screens
-gets .8 rebounds more than our PG
-has become a better finisher (still soft though)
-is 7 feet and in the world of midgets that’s still nice to have
-having idiots say how great he is
Yeah, these mfers here act like we don't watch the actual games and see how garbage he is. I don't give a shit if he averaged 9 points per game. We fuckin suck.

[Rocalcio]

There’s no way he would start of Kristap. It just wouldn’t happen. You don’t give up three 1st rounders, pay a dude $33 million and then bench him. That’s stupid. You make that move and it’s a ride or die move. Dallas would die with Kristaps before starting Poeltl. He wouldn’t start on the Clippers so that’s another team gone. He wouldnt start for the Knicks either bc he doesn’t fit with Randle. My point is that if he is your starting center then you aren’t contending.

I will give you the Nets though but that’s a rather special example when you have Harden, Durant, Kyrie who can all shoot and create for themselves and others.

He wouldn’t start for the 76ers, Bucks, Knicks, Hawks, Heat, Celtics,Pacers, Bulls, Toronto, or the Cavs in the East. And I’m iffy on CHA tbh with Kai. That’s 4 teams he would be starting on imo and all of them suck save Brooklyn

Now for the West he wouldn’t start for Utah, Phoenix, Dallas, Clips, Portland, Denver, Memphis, GS, NO, Minn, and Hou. That leaves Lakers, Spurs, Sac and OKC that he would start for. Lakers obviously the best of the group but once again you need a top 5 level talent in AD and an all time great in Lebron.

So by my estimation, and you are welcome to disagree, he would start for 7 (maybe 8) other teams in the league. Not exactly the world beater these advanced stats and stans would have us believe

Porzingis doesn’t play center.

[Rocalcio]

Lot of stans here. I’ve never seen such love for a loser player before. I mean one crazy guy supporting Jimmer, sure. Even the playblair guy is crazy but he’s just one guy. But the amount of love for our loser starting Center whom sucks is beyond belief. I mean the dude sucks as a starter. And if he is your starting center then you aren’t contending.

We used to celebrate champions in the Duncan era. All time greats in David and Ice. Role players who stepped up in the playoffs and redeemed themselves after disastrous beginnings like Sean and AJ and Bruce. And now we have fallen so low that we are championing Jakob fucking Poeltl

Here’s a list of things Poeltl can’t do or hasn’t achieved
-play legit starter minutes (so all you bitches who whine to me about using stats outta context when you do the exact same fucking thing when you bring up his advanced stats)
- average double digit anything
-make an all star team
-make an all nba defense team (when supposedly he’s better than Gobert on defense according to some here)
-make a positive impact in the playoffs
-shoot the ball
-be a threat to score and not have his man clog the paint all fucking game long for our guards
- play with intensity every night
-show up in shape to start the season
- be a leader
-back up his talk/whining during the offseason
-guard any big man that’s actually good
-pay for teams hacking him
-won any damn thing with us and make us not regret getting shafted by Toronto


Things he can do or has done
lead all role players in the Matt Bonner analytics department
he can switch well and stick with guards (probably the thing everyone is so enamored with)
however he follows that up with
-plays good defense 3 outta 5 games
-sets good screens
-gets .8 rebounds more than our PG
-has become a better finisher (still soft though)
-is 7 feet and in the world of midgets that’s still nice to have
-having idiots say how great he is

So many dumb arguments :lmao

[rankingtear]

There’s no way he would start of Kristap. It just wouldn’t happen. You don’t give up three 1st rounders, pay a dude $33 million and then bench him. That’s stupid. You make that move and it’s a ride or die move. Dallas would die with Kristaps before starting Poeltl. He wouldn’t start on the Clippers so that’s another team gone. He wouldnt start for the Knicks either bc he doesn’t fit with Randle. My point is that if he is your starting center then you aren’t contending.

I will give you the Nets though but that’s a rather special example when you have Harden, Durant, Kyrie who can all shoot and create for themselves and others.

He wouldn’t start for the 76ers, Bucks, Knicks, Hawks, Heat, Celtics,Pacers, Bulls, Toronto, or the Cavs in the East. And I’m iffy on CHA tbh with Kai. That’s 4 teams he would be starting on imo and all of them suck save Brooklyn

Now for the West he wouldn’t start for Utah, Phoenix, Dallas, Clips, Portland, Denver, Memphis, GS, NO, Minn, and Hou. That leaves Lakers, Spurs, Sac and OKC that he would start for. Lakers obviously the best of the group but once again you need a top 5 level talent in AD and an all time great in Lebron.

So by my estimation, and you are welcome to disagree, he would start for 7 (maybe 8) other teams in the league. Not exactly the world beater these advanced stats and stans would have us believe

So he is a starter?

[Rocalcio]

you're out of your goddamn mind. No way does he start for Brooklyn or the clippers. lol. hell no. They would have been packaged him in a deal out of town.

Have you seen who the have as centers ?

[Rocalcio]

So he is a starter?

Looks like it yes, that’s an improvement since 2 days ago he said he wouldn’t start anywhere else than in SA.

[ragas]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

yeah right, not being able to develop a hook shot, one of the most basic moves in basketball, after 5 NBA seasons shows you exactly what kind of work ethic this guy has. It's hilarious to me how many people bash players but then want to defend a guy like Poeltl who publicly said he thinks he should start, but hasn't improved anywhere. All that you are saying is that his impact numbers improved, nothing else. Has he added any moves since college? In fact he actually posted up in college and looked way better offensively than he does now. Also nobody expects him to add a 3-point shot, yet this guy goes on IG and posts pics of him shooting corner 3s. Like WTF is he doing during the offseason?

Nobody is saying that his contract hasn't value or that he isn't great defensively. But his offensive skillset is laughable for an NBA player.

Boy, you're laughable. Jakobs last Instagram-post is from November 2020. So what you're talking about.
Seems like his skillset is enough to play for the Spurs as the the starting 5 and cashing in a few bucks more than you ever can dream of :lmao Don't think he has a bad night, because of what some ST trolls think about him. :blah

[Spursfanfromafar]

The idiot haters here dont have a word to say why Poeltl's advanced stats numbers are so good and why he is a high impact player when he plays. Morons who dont watch basketball but think they are savants of the game by looking at box scores.

[KobesAchilles]

The idiot haters here dont have a word to say why Poeltl's advanced stats numbers are so good and why he is a high impact player when he plays. Morons who dont watch basketball but think they are savants of the game by looking at box scores.
high impact on what? Winning? Bc we haven't had this bad of seasons since the 80s before we got Robinson. Dude isn't good enough for us to be a winning team. Period. Idgaf what his advanced stats are. They are useless bc A) he doesn't play enough minutes for it to really matter and B) he is useless on offense. There isn't a stat that says your defender gets to just camp out in the lane and clog it making it more difficult for your guards to penetrate. But if there was one, he would be at the top of that too.

It's nothing to do with stat counting. Just watch some games (I admit I only watched about 30 games last year) and you can see he makes it difficult on us. yeah he sets great screens, but he isn't a threat to roll to the basket and finish so you can literally defend him with a point guard which negates the screen. We have to do so much herky jerky stuff, which is why Murray is fucking struggling so much. White seems better bc he is craftier and shiftier than Murray who is more of a downhill player and Lonnie as well. Hell even demar struggled or KJ bc Poeltls man was always there in the paint! The truth is, advanced stats or not, he isn't a good enough player for us to start him and to win. When we had Duncan, we could have a useless big man on offense like Rasho or Muhhamed. We don't have that luxury anymore.

[GreekSpursfan]

He is a mediocre bball player who's good enough to start for a tanking team and for that i like him.

[KobesAchilles]

So many dumb arguments :lmao
You can have Jak. We won't win shit with him as the starter. Hell we haven't even made the playoffs with him as the starter. So yeah defend him as we continue to suck with him and talk about my dumb arguments as we lose 50 games this year. And somehow you will be "right" about Jak.

Sidenote: change your avatar You RD2191 wannabe. Idgaf if you supposedly were "here 1st" when you take 6 years off the site. I see your posts and I think I'm actually reading a real poster and then it's a big disappointment to find out that it's you.

[james evans]

Have you seen who the have as centers ?
yes and they at least dunk the ball or attempt to around the basket

[rankingtear]

yes and they at least dunk the ball or attempt to around the basket

This guy gets basketball.

[Ocotillo]

I guess now that Demar and Patty are gone the new scapegoats will be Jakob and Bryn.

[TD 21]

Lot of stans here. I’ve never seen such love for a loser player before. I mean one crazy guy supporting Jimmer, sure. Even the playblair guy is crazy but he’s just one guy. But the amount of love for our loser starting Center whom sucks is beyond belief. I mean the dude sucks as a starter. And if he is your starting center then you aren’t contending.

We used to celebrate champions in the Duncan era. All time greats in David and Ice. Role players who stepped up in the playoffs and redeemed themselves after disastrous beginnings like Sean and AJ and Bruce. And now we have fallen so low that we are championing Jakob fucking Poeltl

Here’s a list of things Poeltl can’t do or hasn’t achieved
-play legit starter minutes (so all you bitches who whine to me about using stats outta context when you do the exact same fucking thing when you bring up his advanced stats)
- average double digit anything
-make an all star team
-make an all nba defense team (when supposedly he’s better than Gobert on defense according to some here)
-make a positive impact in the playoffs
-shoot the ball
-be a threat to score and not have his man clog the paint all fucking game long for our guards
- play with intensity every night
-show up in shape to start the season
- be a leader
-back up his talk/whining during the offseason
-guard any big man that’s actually good
-pay for teams hacking him
-won any damn thing with us and make us not regret getting shafted by Toronto


Things he can do or has done
lead all role players in the Matt Bonner analytics department
he can switch well and stick with guards (probably the thing everyone is so enamored with)
however he follows that up with
-plays good defense 3 outta 5 games
-sets good screens
-gets .8 rebounds more than our PG
-has become a better finisher (still soft though)
-is 7 feet and in the world of midgets that’s still nice to have
-having idiots say how great he is

:lmao At counting stats without context and poor reading comprehension.

[John B]

You know what? Put up or shut up! No Spurs fan wouldn’t be happy to see Poeltl become aggressive. He is very capable with his height and basketball IQ. Instead he comes out last year not ready to play, after just got a new contract. The vets are gone, it’s put up or shut up. And by the number of players Spurs have who can play the C and has BETTER offensive skills, I say Poeltl better start putting up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's going to be more fun to cheer for the Aussie.

[Rocalcio]

You can have Jak. We won't win shit with him as the starter. Hell we haven't even made the playoffs with him as the starter. So yeah defend him as we continue to suck with him and talk about my dumb arguments as we lose 50 games this year. And somehow you will be "right" about Jak.

Sidenote: change your avatar You RD2191 wannabe. Idgaf if you supposedly were "here 1st" when you take 6 years off the site. I see your posts and I think I'm actually reading a real poster and then it's a big disappointment to find out that it's you.

Well, if my avatar pisses you off, that’s another reason to keep it.
And I’m not a R2D2 wanabee, this guy can’t post here without being vulgar or insulting.

[ismael-robert]

It's his alt

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I guess now that Demar and Patty are gone the new scapegoats will be Jakob and Bryn.

don’t forget the #1 scapegoat………..

coach Pop

[BackHome]

In Tank I Trust - All Part Of the CIA Plan :bobo

[The Truth #6]

I don’t hate him but he’s more useful on a talented team and that is not us. On the flipside, none of our players are exactly amazing. For stretches last year, Yak was our best player. So yeah, our team sucks but it’s not all on him, either. Would I rather see what Jocko can do? Yes.

[RC_Drunkford]

give this guy some credit. Looks like a completely different player. I see post ups, drop steps, hook shots, assists and most importantly: strong dunks

ORtg 133 DRtg 106 :wow

Let's hope he keeps this up

[spurraider21]

give this guy some credit. Looks like a completely different player. I see post ups, drop steps, hook shots, assists and most importantly: strong dunks

ORtg 133 DRtg 106 :wow

Let's hope he keeps this up
not to mention the competition that game came against. outstanding performance. and usually poeltl started seasons slow and weak and picked up over time. this is really encouraging stuff

[HankChinaski]

He keeps this up hands down wins the most improved player award this season.

[LeBowen]

We'll see if he finishes the season as our best player, but he's by far the most important player.

Remove anyone else from the roster, it would be fairly easy to replace them because we have way too many similar players.

But as soon as Jakob sits, our paint defense becomes an absolute joke.

[Seventyniner]

My favorite stat of his: 25 offensive rebounds in 4 games. That is eye-popping to me.

He's starting to remind me of a slightly poorer man's Gobert, and that's great production even without considering his contract.

[PhantomDashCam]

My favorite stat of his: 25 offensive rebounds in 4 games. That is eye-popping to me.

He's starting to remind me of a slightly poorer man's Gobert, and that's great production even without considering his contract.

Yep and I would argue he’s more gifted offensively too, (passing, floaters). Now, if he can just consistently start to hit his FTs…

[B1gduff]

remember when people wanted Poetel of the team....Maybe the Spurs know there talent better than the weebs on here.

[slick'81]

Finally poodle pooowa has put it all together

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Davis played well against us, but Jakob was a monster in that game. Now if he could just hit a damn free throw.

[The Truth #6]

I don't think his game has changed one bit, but he's in a better context to succeed and perhaps he's better motivated this year.

[KobesAchilles]

remember when people wanted Poetel of the team....Maybe the Spurs know there talent better than the weebs on here.
I still want him off the team. If he keeps playing like this maybe we can package him with Murray for a disgruntled star this off-season. Gimme Jaylen Brown. Start Primo as PG. and draft a big

[RC_Drunkford]

I still want him off the team. If he keeps playing like this maybe we can package him with Murray for a disgruntled star this off-season. Gimme Jaylen Brown. Start Primo as PG. and draft a big

If there's anybody this team should trade aside of Young and Forbes it's White

[KobesAchilles]

If there's anybody this team should trade aside of Young and Forbes it's White
Yeah but would Boston even want White for Brown? They would probably do Murray, and this version of Poeltl for him. Young would go somewhere else bc he has zero value to Boston. I see the Warriors or the Blazers or the Lakers making a play for Young. Maybe even Philly.

White as our 6th man is a good option though. Primo, Jaylen, drafted SF, KJ and then we sign a big in the off-season. With White, Lonnie, Vassell off the bench.

[slick'81]

Poodle powa showing centers arent dinosaurs after all

[LeBowen]

Lmao Brown? They're not trading Brown even if we offered our entire roster.

I'd try with Siakam. Barnes is looking really good, OG keeps improving, they don't really need Siakam anymore. And I think they want to get rid of his contract.
White would complement FVV well. White+Thad works. Throw in a couple of second rounders.

But then again, PATFO would probably get fleeced.

[Elementis]

Lmao Brown? They're not trading Brown even if we offered our entire roster.

I'd try with Siakam. Barnes is looking really good, OG keeps improving, they don't really need Siakam anymore. And I think they want to get rid of his contract.
White would complement FVV well. White+Thad works. Throw in a couple of second rounders.

But then again, PATFO would probably get fleeced.

re-uniting Poeltl and Siakam? very tempting.. they had great chemistry in Toronto on and off the court..

[exstatic]

Siakam is out for 5 months. Surgery to repair a torn labrum.

Edit: the bbref update was June 11th, so he should be back in a few weeks. If he’s healthy, I have no problem with this.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah but would Boston even want White for Brown? They would probably do Murray, and this version of Poeltl for him. Young would go somewhere else bc he has zero value to Boston. I see the Warriors or the Blazers or the Lakers making a play for Young. Maybe even Philly.

White as our 6th man is a good option though. Primo, Jaylen, drafted SF, KJ and then we sign a big in the off-season. With White, Lonnie, Vassell off the bench.

White is getting paid more than Murray. He's 27 and is scared to shoot while also not having that good of a jump shot. We don't need him. Poeltl is on a great contract and perfect for this team. I'd try to keep him. Boston ain't trading Jaylen Brown for any of our garbage. That's a pipe dream

[KobesAchilles]

White is getting paid more than Murray. He's 27 and is scared to shoot while also not having that good of a jump shot. We don't need him. Poeltl is on a great contract and perfect for this team. I'd try to keep him. Boston ain't trading Jaylen Brown for any of our garbage. That's a pipe dream
It is a pipe dream but Boston is sucking and Ainge hates his players anyways. I feel like if they miss the playoffs then everyone is on the block. We'd have to attach a pick but honestly it would help them to get both Murray and Poeltl. And I'm always in the anti-Poeltl camp.

[Chomag]

Jakob would be the perfect piece to have if we had an elite level talent player on this team.

He's still limited but I honestly have been impressed with him and his aggression this year and I hope he keeps it up.

[Kurgan]

It is a pipe dream but Boston is sucking and Ainge hates his players anyways. I feel like if they miss the playoffs then everyone is on the block. We'd have to attach a pick but honestly it would help them to get both Murray and Poeltl. And I'm always in the anti-Poeltl camp.

Ainge is gone. Brad Stevens is Celtics president atm

[KobesAchilles]

Ainge is gone. Brad Stevens is Celtics president atm
Ah well in that case we are fucked :lol
cant even have a pipe dream. SMH

[Gagnrath]

White is getting paid more than Murray. He's 27 and is scared to shoot while also not having that good of a jump shot. We don't need him. Poeltl is on a great contract and perfect for this team. I'd try to keep him. Boston ain't trading Jaylen Brown for any of our garbage. That's a pipe dream

White isn't that scared to shoot he is seeing way more defense this year than in previous years plus is in a bit of a slump, his defense and passing are elite and holding lots of things together, as this season progresses and defenses shift away from him a bit his efficiency and usage will go up. Put him with a real star and he's going to explode, put a top tier guy at sf or of and this is a contending team. That's what made the whole Kawhi thing so shitty, yeah he was seeing the end of Aldridge coming and there was going to be a year or two as an outside shot at a ring but it wasn't like the Spurs were set up to be a hopeless mid play off teams. The Spurs are a star away right now, question is can they get a star without messing up the rest.

[J_Paco]

Lmao Brown? They're not trading Brown even if we offered our entire roster.

I'd try with Siakam. Barnes is looking really good, OG keeps improving, they don't really need Siakam anymore. And I think they want to get rid of his contract.
White would complement FVV well. White+Thad works. Throw in a couple of second rounders.

But then again, PATFO would probably get fleeced.

Best trade I've read on here in forever. My have to include a lottery protected 1st - round pick and not multiple 2nds.

Still, a starting frontcourt of Poeltl, Siakam and Johnson would be a very, very tempting especially if Siakam can regain his all-star form of two years ago.

[talkspurs]

one player Ive liked from Toronto is Boucher. He also seems to have been bumped from the lineup. He is a year older but Ive liked him for awhile and I think has been underutilized.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Jakob is maybe this teams most important player.

I’m very impressed with how well he has played offensively and hope he can start hitting his free throws at a higher %. His defense has stayed really good and he has been cleaning the glass on both sides really well.

I don’t think his play is an aberration, I think this is the norm for this guy.

[exstatic]

one player Ive liked from Toronto is Boucher. He also seems to have been bumped from the lineup. He is a year older but Ive liked him for awhile and I think has been underutilized.

If he were better, they’d use him more. He’s pretty much just a jumping Jack, a Metu type. KBD is better than Boucher.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-stats-scottie-barnes-evan-fournier-jakob-poeltl/


Jakob Poeltl

https://hoopshype.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/92/2021/11/1e2a3bab5052401c82c582f18f986d61.jpg(AP Photo/Sam Hodde)

THE KEY: The league’s most underrated paint beast

The San Antonio Spurs only got one young asset in return for Kawhi Leonard. But that player, Jakob Poeltl, has actually turned out to be a solid option in the frontcourt. This season, he is making a case for not only NBA’s All-Defense consideration (https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/1454088614099529740?s=20) but also Most Underrated Big Man in the League (https://twitter.com/KOT4Q/status/1453189557902581767?s=20).

His offensive rebound percentage (16.1 percent) ranks in the 98th percentile among bigs, per Cleaning the Glass (https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/2936#tab-defense_rebounding). Meanwhile, he is passing the ball significantly more often per game so far this year (49.8 (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing/?sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759)) than he did last year (33.1 (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing/?sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759)) as well...

Worth a read.