Jakob Poeltl

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

There are a lot of teams that could use him for a reasonable FRP :

Brooklyn, I believe, have a big enough trade exception and they own Philly's pick, as well as a swap with Houston, so they could trade one.
Charlotte, obviously, have shown interest - they could lift the pick protection on the pick the Spurs own, or trade another first, seems like Spurs are totally fine hoarding picks in the 2025-2027 window.
Chicago own Portland's pick, lottery protected.
Memphis have the cap space to absorb him and have their own picks, as well as 2024 GS's.
Wolves are said to be interested in the likes of Gobert and Capella. If they strike out Poeltl is a similar archetype.
Knicks have a ton of '23 picks via OKC and they currently don't have a C on the roster if they trade Noel to Detroit. Robinson might be brought back depending on his price but they'd probably prefer to open cap space for next summer. There could be other possible trades with them around the Fournier contract that they want off their books.
Suns, if they lose Ayton is the most obvious of all.
Portland, if they don't re-sign Nurkic. They own Milwaukee's '25 pick.
Toronto, we know have been interested and they have all of their picks.
Utah, if they lose Gobert. Their picks are currently tied up until 2028, however, they may get draft capital from the Gobert trade.

One of the good side-effects of being a tanking team is that there could always be a ton of trades around the corner to speculate about :lol

[KingKev]

His value is tied to supply and demand. I think to most teams he is worth spending 1-2 picks over what it costs to get Ayton or Gobert and he can give you a lot of what they do at a fraction of the cost. There’s probably 4-5 teams in that market.

His price just got cheaper so now Jak makes sense to virtually any team near contention as he can be a 25-30 minute a night starter or a backup in most 3 player big rotations.

[cd98]

I don’t know that it’s gotten cheaper. If there are more teams that need a center upgrade then there are centers, his price goes up. Also, more teams can afford him over Ayton or Gobert, so more buyers means good return, but not an Ayton/Gobert return right now.

[John B]

No reason to keep him. Sell high.

[BackHome]

Chicago and Toronto would be stupid not to get him as they both have a short window of opportunity to win a ring - If your going to try to win it might as well go All In.

[CGD]

Chicago and Toronto would be stupid not to get him as they both have a short window of opportunity to win a ring - If your going to try to win it might as well go All In.

Those teams and others are doing their due diligence to see if Jakob would accept an extension offer later this fall.

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Chicago fans already feel like we raped them. Very doubtful Chicago makes a worthy offer for Poeltl.

[CGD]

Chicago fans already feel like we raped them. Very doubtful Chicago makes a worthy offer for Poeltl.

Who cares what Bulls fan thinks lol

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Who cares what Bulls fan thinks lol

Uhh, maybe their front office cares, and maybe also feels like they made a bad deal once with us that they dont want to repeat again. lol

[CGD]

Uhh, maybe their front office cares, and maybe also feels like they made a bad deal once with us that they dont want to repeat again. lol

What deal is that? DDR was great for them last year. Vuc and their injuries is why they fell off.
Spurs are the ones that are waiting to see the full fruits of that trade if we're being fair.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Uhh, maybe their front office cares, and maybe also feels like they made a bad deal once with us that they dont want to repeat again. lol

They got screwed because they got a guy who was All-NBA, carried the team for a stretch and was in the MVP conversation for a time? Literally they got more than they had a right to expect.

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What deal is that? DDR was great for them last year. Vuc and their injuries is why they fell off.
Spurs are the ones that are waiting to see the full fruits of that trade if we're being fair.

Yes, Bullfan went from thinking we got fleeced to thinking they did with how the season ended. Demar did Demar things in the playoffs, and we got another FRP for Thad.

Go to any Bulls sites and the concensus is they made a bad trade. They don't feel like they're actually contenders even if they re-sign LaVine, which would max them out and leave very little room for anyone else. They're hamstrung now with a lead player in DDR that collapsed yet again in the playoffs

[baseline bum]

Chicago fans already feel like we raped them. Very doubtful Chicago makes a worthy offer for Poeltl.

LOL now after seeing how DeRozan led teams always end the season with a whimper.

[DAF86]

Yes, Bullfan went from thinking we got fleeced to thinking they did with how the season ended. Demar did Demar things in the playoffs, and we got another FRP for Thad.

Go to any Bulls sites and the concensus is they made a bad trade. They don't feel like they're actually contenders even if they re-sign LaVine, which would max them out and leave very little room for anyone else. They're hamstrung now with a lead player in DDR that collapsed yet again in the playoffs

Were they really expecting to be contenders by adding DeRozan to Lavine and Vucevic? :lol

If anything, they overachieved like a motherfucker.

[Ariel]

Spurs need to monetize him this off-season. If you sold high on Murray because you don’t want to pay him you probably should sell high on Jak when his value is near peak. He is going to look much worse on offense without DJ sooon feeding him the ball.
Yup. Also wth every game that goes by he's closer to free agency, and whatever we gain from waiting for a (supposedly) better offer, we lose by decreasing our lottery odds. If we don't deal him, the Dejounte trade gets worse. I think they know that, and will back off a bit from the "talented young asset + picks" frame they were previously asking for. They HAVE to.

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You should read their boards on August 5th or whatever when we traded him. They also signed Caruso and they were feeling like they were finally back. Fast forward a bit to when they were first in the East, and Bullfans were mocking Spurfans on their pages for not getting anything for the trade ("you didn't even get 2 firsts and waived Aminu, and we in first place").

Then Fast forward to their playoff debacle, us trading Thad for another first + and DDR collapsing (think he didn't score more than single digits in lime the last 3 games of the season, and Bullfan was telling me, shit, you guys fleeced us.

[Seventyniner]

imo the Spurs would rather have a first in 2026 or 2027 than 2023 or 2024 in return for Poeltl.

[ragas]

After todays game Poeltl was asked if he‘ll get traded. His answer: I ask myself the same thing (laughing).

[cd98]

Yes, but he's getting traded to a better team...

[ragas]

I wonder if they don‘t want to keep a vet around the young guys. Not saying it has to be Poeltl.

[John B]

Austria win vs Ireland 92-66. Jakob with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 4 assists.

Any word on Poeltl getting moved?

[rankingtear]

Poeltl feels like a guy whose value is highest at the deadline.

[KingKev]

Austria win vs Ireland 92-66. Jakob with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 4 assists.

Any word on Poeltl getting moved?

haha Ireland has a basketball team?

[John B]

I mean a lot of interest out there, just nothing from Spurs FO, just that per Timvp, they are shopping Poeltl hard

And that mystery on pulling the QO on Lonnie moments after the KD news... hmm

[cd98]

Maybe Walker asked them to let him go and they complied because they weren't sold on keeping him regardless and have other guys drafted that play his role/spot.

[John B]

Maybe Walker asked them to let him go and they complied because they weren't sold on keeping him regardless and have other guys drafted that play his role/spot.

Yeah maybe, they're doing good to Lonnie by giving him the QO, until they feel there's growing interest on Lonnie, and Lonnie requested to get released and just let him go. I mean it's very Spursy.

Not like some ST posters suggested Spurs would just let a good character Lonnie go... not the Spurs :lol

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542696519555489795

Free agent center Andre Drummond has agreed to a two-year, $6.6M deal with the Chicago Bulls, sources tell ESPN. The second year is a player option.
One less potential Poeltl suitor. I'm getting the feeling he's going to Toronto.

[baseline bum]

Poeltl feels like a guy whose value is highest at the deadline.

Can't wait until the deadline to tank. Ship his ass out.

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542696519555489795

One less potential Poeltl suitor. I'm getting the feeling he's going to Toronto.

I just want him gone for the tank. If all they got was two firsts and two seconds for Murray guess they'll have to settle for one first for Poetl.

[Dejounte]

With the way some folks talk about Poeltl or McDermott, you’d think they fucked their mom or something. Jesus

[Ariel]

With the way some folks talk about Poeltl or McDermott, you’d think they fucked their mom or something. Jesus
Personally I LIKE Poeltl. But on the court his POSITIVE production is actually DETRIMENTAL right now, given the moves we've made, and the fact that we won't resign him.

[Mr. Body]

Personally I LIKE Poeltl. But on the court his POSITIVE production is actually DETRIMENTAL right now, given the moves we've made, and the fact that we won't resign him.

The team actually wants positive production. They're not tanking.

[Ariel]

The team actually wants positive production. They're not tanking.
That would be idiotic, and completely against everything they're doing right now. The smart way to approach this season would be making sure we're in a position that guarantees a high pick, without making it obvious that the team is trying to lose. That is, NOT pulling an OKC style tank. You do that by getting rid of all veterans who contribute, and then you can genuinely play your young guys to the best of their abilities and focus on developing them, without sending them the wrong message and compromising the culture, so to speak. Plus you pick up assets in the process. Win-win.

[Mr. Body]

That would be idiotic, and completely against everything they're doing right now. The smart way to approach this season would be making sure we're in a position that guarantees a high pick, without making it obvious that the team is trying to lose. That is, NOT pulling an OKC style tank. You do that by getting rid of all veterans who contribute, and then you can genuinely play your young guys to the best of their abilities and focus on developing them, without sending them the wrong message and compromising the culture, so to speak. Plus you pick up assets in the process. Win-win.

The team isn't tanking. You think they're tanking but they're not.

[Dejounte]

Personally I LIKE Poeltl. But on the court his POSITIVE production is actually DETRIMENTAL right now, given the moves we've made, and the fact that we won't resign him.

I get the rationale— what I don’t get is some of the distasteful comments such as calling McD, “McDipshit”. Like bruh, what did this dude do to earn this nickname.

[CGD]

I get the rationale— what I don’t get is some of the distasteful comments such as calling McD, “McDipshit”. Like bruh, what did this dude do to earn this nickname.

Sup Doug?

[Ariel]

https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/mark-cuban-kevin-durant-trade-rumors-nets/
(https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/mark-cuban-kevin-durant-trade-rumors-nets/)
Latest on a Potential Jakob Poeltl Trade

You might want to tap the breaks on any Jakob Poeltl trade talk — if not stop the car entirely and put it in park.

There was the sense when San Antonio traded away Dejounte Murray for Danilo Gallinari (since waived), three first-round picks and a potential pick swap that the club is going for a severe tear-down and rebuild. Teams have come knocking at the Spurs’ door looking to acquire present talent for future reward (first round picks and developmental pieces).

But those teams have found the door isn’t quite as open as they may expect — particularly when it comes to the 7-1 Poeltl, who truly came into his own this year, averaging 13.5 points and 9.3 rebounds in a relatively modest 29.0 minutes per game.

One general manager told Heavy Sports, “The sense we got is that, yes, they’re rebuilding, but they don’t want to burn the thing to the ground and start from there. Poeltl’s the kind of guy that can give them a solid presence inside and make things better from a competitive standpoint when you’re trying to develop the guys who are going to be out there with him.”

There’s also the fact that Poeltl is 26 and is himself still developing. The Spurs would obviously not want to see him grow into something even more prominent elsewhere.

“We looked into it,” another league exec said. “The sense we got is that they ain’t moving him.”

Which isn’t to say that San Antonio wouldn’t deal Poeltl for the right price. It’s just that said price would have to be quite high.

Teams were interested in Poeltl at this past February’s in-season trade deadline, but found a heavy ask from the Spurs in the range of a rotation player and a first round pick.

Considering Poeltl’s averages improved after the deadline to 14.2 points on 62.7 percent shooting and 9.9 rebounds (in 29.3 minutes), the ask is presumably even higher now.

[exstatic]

I just want him gone for the tank. If all they got was two firsts and two seconds for Murray guess they'll have to settle for one first for Poetl.

Three firsts (2 ATL 1 CHA) two unprotected, two seconds, and a FRP pick swap.

[baseline bum]

Three firsts (2 ATL 1 CHA) two unprotected, two seconds, and a FRP pick swap.

You're counting chickens before they hatch calling the Charlotte pick a first.

[Ariel]

Three firsts (2 ATL 1 CHA) two unprotected, two seconds, and a FRP pick swap.
What seconds are you referring to?
https://www.nba.com/news/hawks-spurs-dejounte-murray-trade

Hawks receive:
• Dejounte Murray
• Jock Landale

Spurs receive:
• Danilo Gallinari
• 2023 first-round pick (via Charlotte from New York, protected)
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

[Dverde]

If Poeltl is down with staying for the rebuild, I’d be okay with it. We’d obviously have to give him a decent raise next year, but the Spurs really are not going after big free agents anyway. If he continues to improve, we could trade him in the middle of his next contract.

[exstatic]

You're counting chickens before they hatch calling the Charlotte pick a first.

People were freaking out about the TOR pick this spring, and it conveyed year one.

[exstatic]

What seconds are you referring to?
https://www.nba.com/news/hawks-spurs-dejounte-murray-trade

I went off baseline’s post, not realizing he pessimistically converted the CHA pick to the two seconds. I added the CHA pick, not realizing what he had done right away.

[KingKev]

I think we have seen this story before, so hopefully it means only moving him for the right price, the price is high blah blah blah but this also indicates they see Jak signing a hometown discount on the path to mediocrity.

I wonder what Pop and Brian Wright would fetch on the open market? If it takes two FRPs to unload Russ would that do it for these two?

[Seventyniner]

You're counting chickens before they hatch calling the Charlotte pick a first.

Some people said that about this year's Toronto pick too.

Maybe it's better to think of it in terms of percentages. I think the Hornets have around a 20% chance of finishing with a top 14 record (putting their pick at #17 or below so it conveys to the Spurs) this year, and around a 30-40% chance of making the playoffs in each of the two following seasons.

80% * 65% * 65% = 33.8%, giving the Spurs a 66.2% chance of actually getting that pick, using these assumed numbers.

Yeah I know the probabilities are not independent because usually rosters stay mostly the same from year to year, and the Hornets might not fight too hard to make a late season push if they are on the cusp if doing so means they lose their pick. But it's at least a ballpark figure.

[Mr. Body]

I should have put this here:

Keeping Poeltl is the only right move. The team isn't tearing it down to the tacks. This is pretty clear and anyone who thought so (including other teams' execs) were completely wrong. The young players need good structure on and off the court. On the court? This means a strong inside defensive presence that Poeltl brings. Developing young wings with a guy with brittle feet and an ancient Giorgiu Dieng as your two bigs is a recipe for disaster.

The truth is firming up that Dejounte was squeezing his way out the door eventually so he could go rain money at skanky Atlanta strip clubs. The team did him and themselves the favor by trading him - for a good haul.

Now, if someone wants to drop a bunch of picks on Poeltl right now, the story changes. Trading him for a single pick right now doesn't make sense.

[RC_Drunkford]

A first and a rotation player (who can then also get flipped for another first later) for Poeltl seems like the right price to me. If no one is paying that until the deadline keep him and work out an extension.

[TD 21]

Hopefully this is just your basic negotiating tactic.

If not, then 1) Murray clearly requested a trade and 2) I'd imagine they're going to offer sheet and sign and trade for Sexton (the Cavaliers and him can say what they want, the reality is there's a logjam with Garland, LeVert, Rubio and their primary ball handlers and they signed Neto for depth), who some in the front office are supposedly fans of.



I should have put this here:

Keeping Poeltl is the only right move. The team isn't tearing it down to the tacks. This is pretty clear and anyone who thought so (including other teams' execs) were completely wrong. The young players need good structure on and off the court. On the court? This means a strong inside defensive presence that Poeltl brings. Developing young wings with a guy with brittle feet and an ancient Giorgiu Dieng as your two bigs is a recipe for disaster.

The truth is firming up that Dejounte was squeezing his way out the door eventually so he could go rain money at skanky Atlanta strip clubs. The team did him and themselves the favor by trading him - for a good haul.

Now, if someone wants to drop a bunch of picks on Poeltl right now, the story changes. Trading him for a single pick right now doesn't make sense.

Poeltl only made sense with Murray. All he does now is risk screwing up their draft odds, which is the last thing they need.

All they have to do is trade him and Richardson, bring in some minimal C and PG for depth and they go from odds on to virtually clinching worst record, which guarantees a top 5 pick.

Re-signing a high floor, low ceiling player at the co (PG) most over saturated position in the league, who'll be going on 28 when his new contract kicks in, for something like 4/$64M, makes no sense.

[baseline bum]

Some people said that about this year's Toronto pick too.

Maybe it's better to think of it in terms of percentages. I think the Hornets have around a 20% chance of finishing with a top 14 record (putting their pick at #17 or below so it conveys to the Spurs) this year, and around a 30-40% chance of making the playoffs in each of the two following seasons.

80% * 65% * 65% = 33.8%, giving the Spurs a 66.2% chance of actually getting that pick, using these assumed numbers.

Yeah I know the probabilities are not independent because usually rosters stay mostly the same from year to year, and the Hornets might not fight too hard to make a late season push if they are on the cusp if doing so means they lose their pick. But it's at least a ballpark figure.

I definitely don't like using independence in an argument like this since if they miss the playoffs because Cade Cunningham develops into the franchise guy he was projected then Cade is taking that spot the next 2 years too. Same thing if Banchero turns out to be a really high end player. Works in the opposite way of course too, say Tatum blows out his knee and is never the same again. It feels more like a bit better than a coin flip to me that the pick conveys as a first, based pretty much on whether LaMelo Ball develops into a legit star or not.

[baseline bum]

I should have put this here:

Keeping Poeltl is the only right move. The team isn't tearing it down to the tacks. This is pretty clear and anyone who thought so (including other teams' execs) were completely wrong. The young players need good structure on and off the court. On the court? This means a strong inside defensive presence that Poeltl brings. Developing young wings with a guy with brittle feet and an ancient Giorgiu Dieng as your two bigs is a recipe for disaster.

The truth is firming up that Dejounte was squeezing his way out the door eventually so he could go rain money at skanky Atlanta strip clubs. The team did him and themselves the favor by trading him - for a good haul.

Now, if someone wants to drop a bunch of picks on Poeltl right now, the story changes. Trading him for a single pick right now doesn't make sense.

Where are you getting that from that Murray wanted out?

[Mr. Body]

Where are you getting that from that Murray wanted out?

I'm not really sure how you missed this.

[baseline bum]

I'm not really sure how you missed this.

Didn't answer the question

[JeffDuncan]

Where are you getting that from that Murray wanted out?


He’s getting it from the fantasy world where he occasionally vacations. Also, you know how much old ladies like their soap operas.

The truth about the Murray trade is that the Hawks decided they wanted him, to team with Trae Young, and they offered enough to make the trade happen. The trade was initiated on the Atlanta end, not because of anything going on with the Spurs.

[spurspl]

He’s getting it from the fantasy world where he occasionally vacations. Also, you know how much old ladies like their soap operas.

The truth about the Murray trade is that the Hawks decided they wanted him, to team with Trae Young, and they offered enough to make the trade happen. The trade was initiated on the Atlanta end, not because of anything going on with the Spurs.

"He and his agent, Rich Paul, made it known that he was not going to extend his contract with the Spurs this summer," Windhorst said on The Hoop Collective podcast.

[Degoat]

"He and his agent, Rich Paul, made it known that he was not going to extend his contract with the Spurs this summer," Windhorst said on The Hoop Collective podcast.

Not to argue the point but just because he didn’t want to extend doesn’t mean he wanted out or anything, you don’t get as much money extending VS waiting for his current deal to end because he’s on a bargain contract. Personally I think the spurs continue doing what they’ve been doing trying to win games and if it so happens that we lose then so be it.

[RC_Drunkford]

"He and his agent, Rich Paul, made it known that he was not going to extend his contract with the Spurs this summer," Windhorst said on The Hoop Collective podcast.

:lmao @ people still not understanding that an extension would be like 30 million dollar paycut

[Dejounte]

What will the spin be if Poeltl doesn’t get traded? Nvm I’m already seeing some of the excuses…

[Mr. Body]

"He and his agent, Rich Paul, made it known that he was not going to extend his contract with the Spurs this summer," Windhorst said on The Hoop Collective podcast.

There is plenty of evidence Murray was looking to get out if you only paid attention to what he and others have said. A lot of people sounding like nephew defenders at this point. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

What will the spin be if Poeltl doesn’t get traded? Nvm I’m already seeing some of the excuses…

he's a culture fit

[baseline bum]

"He and his agent, Rich Paul, made it known that he was not going to extend his contract with the Spurs this summer," Windhorst said on The Hoop Collective podcast.

No shit an allstar wasn't going to do an extension that could only be like $17 million a year by rules of the CBA.

[baseline bum]

There is plenty of evidence Murray was looking to get out if you only paid attention to what he and others have said. A lot of people sounding like nephew defenders at this point. :lol

He wanted out because he told the team he wasn't going to sign a Doug McDermott level contract, which is all the Spurs could have legally offered him as an extension under the rules of the CBA? That's why I'm asking to see your source that he wanted out.

[baseline bum]

Murray not being a retard and taking a paycut for half his market value doesn't mean he wanted out.

[cd98]

Right. Murray was not trying to get out of SA, he was calculating that it is worth the risk to wait two years to extend to get a bigger pay day then to extend right now. The risk is he gets a career ending injury. Then he only gets two more years of salary. If he signed, he'd have security, but over the long haul, he would make less money as a basketball player. So he's making a financial decision, not rejecting S.A.

[Dejounte]

he's a culture fit

Bruh you following me around like a 10 year old with that comment :lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

Bruh you following me around like a 10 year old with that comment :lmao

:lol

[tmtcsc]

He wanted out because he told the team he wasn't going to sign a Doug McDermott level contract, which is all the Spurs could have legally offered him as an extension under the rules of the CBA? That's why I'm asking to see your source that he wanted out.

What the hell? Dejounte was the fucking source. He said it himself at his introductory press conference. Specifically, he said he and Trae talked about playing together for weeks before the trade happened. He also said the trade wasn't a surprise because it was a mutual decision and one that had been talked about and kept in-house. He was then pressed to clarify about the "mutual" decision part & if he asked for the trade. He laughed with a big grin and replied, "You tryna get it outta me, huh? I mean, yeah, it was a mutual thing".

When you want out & your representatives approach the team to remind them that he is NOT going to sign an extension - a fact that both parties already know, its safe to say that let their client's feelings toward wanting out sooner than later, known.

To make matters clearer, when asked how he felt or responded to getting the news he was traded to a place where he wanted to play, he admitted A. he was happy, excited B. It was hard talking to Pop about the situation C. it was more of a mutual thing. Apparently, the Spurs wanted what was best for Dejounte because he wants to win :lol. HE FUCKING SAID HE WANTED OUT. How do people not read between the lines? Fucking RC Drunkford goes on and on about how Dejounte's decision not to sign the extension is a moot point because he was NEVER going to sign it. So fucking what? You think the Spurs contacted Rich Paul and said "Lets talk about getting Dejounte that extension because we want him here for the long haul".

https://youtu.be/QRWG-xnQHlY?t=335

[tmtcsc]

He wanted out because he told the team he wasn't going to sign a Doug McDermott level contract, which is all the Spurs could have legally offered him as an extension under the rules of the CBA? That's why I'm asking to see your source that he wanted out.

What the hell? Dejounte was the fucking source. He said it himself at his introductory press conference. Specifically, he said he and Trae talked about playing together for weeks before the trade happened. He also said the trade wasn't a surprise because it was a mutual decision and one that had been talked about and kept in-house. He was then pressed to clarify about the "mutual" decision part & if he asked for the trade. He laughed with a big grin and replied, "You tryna get it outta me, huh? I mean, yeah, it was a mutual thing".

When you want out & your representatives approach the team to remind them that he is NOT going to sign an extension - a fact that both parties already know, its safe to say they let their client's feelings toward wanting out sooner than later, known.

To make matters clearer, when asked how he felt or responded to getting the news he was traded to a place where he wanted to play, he admitted A. he was happy, excited B. It was hard talking to Pop about the situation C. it was more of a mutual thing. Apparently, the Spurs wanted what was best for Dejounte because he wants to win :lol. HE FUCKING SAID HE WANTED OUT. How do people not read between the lines? Fucking RC Drunkford goes on and on about how Dejounte's decision not to sign the extension is a moot point because he was NEVER going to sign it. So fucking what? You think the Spurs contacted Rich Paul and said "Lets talk about getting Dejounte that extension because we want him here for the long haul".

https://youtu.be/QRWG-xnQHlY?t=335

[baseline bum]

What the hell? Dejounte was the fucking source. He said it himself at his introductory press conference. Specifically, he said he and Trae talked about playing together for weeks before the trade happened. He also said the trade wasn't a surprise because it was a mutual decision and one that had been talked about and kept in-house. He was then pressed to clarify about the "mutual" decision part & if he asked for the trade. He laughed with a big grin and replied, "You tryna get it outta me, huh? I mean, yeah, it was a mutual thing".

When you want out & your representatives approach the team to remind them that he is NOT going to sign an extension - a fact that both parties already know, its safe to say they let their client's feelings toward wanting out sooner than later, known.

To make matters clearer, when asked how he felt or responded to getting the news he was traded to a place where he wanted to play, he admitted A. he was happy, excited B. It was hard talking to Pop about the situation C. it was more of a mutual thing. Apparently, the Spurs wanted what was best for Dejounte because he wants to win :lol. HE FUCKING SAID HE WANTED OUT. How do people not read between the lines? Fucking RC Drunkford goes on and on about how Dejounte's decision not to sign the extension is a moot point because he was NEVER going to sign it. So fucking what? You think the Spurs contacted Rich Paul and said "Lets talk about getting Dejounte that extension because we want him here for the long haul".

https://youtu.be/QRWG-xnQHlY?t=335

This is a real stretch claiming he was leaving anyways based on what he said at the timestamp you quoted. Probably got excited at playing for a winner once he heard his name in trade rumors. Don't see what's so offensive about Rich Paul telling the team Dejounte wasn't going to sign a Doug McDermott money level extension.

[Russ]

Though both sides actually liked each other, it may have been mutual.

I don't the Spurs were ever going to offer DJ a max deal.

[John B]

And I thought I’m reading about Poeltl on a Poeltl thread :lol

Any news on Poeltl? I’m beginning to think he’s not getting moved until before trade deadline. Is that wise as far as getting more back?

Personally I like to see Poeltl play alongside a legitimate PF. So it doesn’t make sense if it’s McD and Keldon still at 3-4. Maybe Poeltl can focus on his on-man defense at C instead of overhelping the weakness at 4. Spurs giving him a chance to earn a big salary increase? If not they trade him by deadline. While that could expose him and could reduce his trade value. Thoughts?

[Seventyniner]

Though both sides actually liked each other, it may have been mutual.

I don't the Spurs were ever going to offer DJ a max deal.

This might have been the sticking point. Dejounte and Klutch might have already brought up wanting a max deal in 2024 and the Spurs would have balked at promising that so early. Dejounte's trade value was never going to be higher than this summer, and the Hawks are probably more willing to max him in 2024 than the Spurs would have been.

[ragas]

Poeltl is coming back to the USA this week. Before leaving Austria he spoke with the Press Agency.


Future with the Spurs:

"At the moment chances are good that I keep on playing for the Spurs. Sometimes in the summer I wasn't so sure"

"I'm looking forward to be a free agent next summer. You don't often have the chance in the NBA to choose your way by yourself. I hope I'll make a good decision for me"

"It's possible that I'm still with the Spurs this year. There were no talks about an extension yet."

"I like living in San Antonio and the guys on the team are cool, so I can imagine to stay longterm. But I will take a close look at the situation next summer."


Trade Rumors:

"That means that teams are interested in me, my skills, the role that I play. It's not my role to be the team's best scorer. My role is to help a team winning. Contenders need players who do the dirty work."

"Half of the rumors are real at most. But there were 1,2 legit offers in the last weeks. I don't deal with it until a trade is completed. I'm not involved in the talks. It makes no sense for me to speculate"


Team:

"As a young team we have to take a few steps forward. We're not gonna play for the title in the next three years. We should be competitive after that."

"Our best player has been traded. His role has to be replaced."

"On paper we are not set to reach the playoffs. It's gonna be a challenge. I'll try to push the team forward"


Summer:

He spent 2 months in Austria, Spurs have sent coaches over to coordinate his workouts. "But I had enough freedom to do what I think that I need to do to get better."

[BackHome]

Let’s see if in these three months Poodle has learned how to hit his free throws?

[CGD]

If Jakob is traded before the start of the season, cans the acquiring team subsequently offer him an extension?

[slick'81]

Poodle power staying in sa!$

[FutureMan]

Spurs are in a great position when it comes to Poeltl. They only need to trade him if the deal is right. Gotta have an unprotected pick 2024 or later or two lightly protected picks (top 10 then top 8 picks). If not, they can keep him and sign and trade him next year if they get Wembanyama. Best case scenario is the Spurs have a 14% chance getting him anyway. Which then leaves the Spurs with a 86% chance that they could use him coming back. I really don’t see any free agents I’d be interested in next year and these bad contracts are kinda running out in the league. Gotta use that cap space for something. Might as well be Poeltl.

But please, please learn how to hit a free throw :rollin

[KingKev]

Spurs are in a great position when it comes to Poeltl. They only need to trade him if the deal is right. Gotta have an unprotected pick 2024 or later or two lightly protected picks (top 10 then top 8 picks). If not, they can keep him and sign and trade him next year if they get Wembanyama. Best case scenario is the Spurs have a 14% chance getting him anyway. Which then leaves the Spurs with a 86% chance that they could use him coming back. I really don’t see any free agents I’d be interested in next year and these bad contracts are kinda running out in the league. Gotta use that cap space for something. Might as well be Poeltl.

But please, please learn how to hit a free throw :rollin

There is absolutely no chance you get an unprotected FRP for 1yr of Jak. You are unlikely to get two protected FRPs at this point but if you can without taking on a bad contract you absolutely hit that bid immediately.

The reason no contract extension talks are in place is because everyone knows he will garner more next year when he becomes a free agent. Jak has more power than we do at this point. Move him now or pay up later.

Our draft positioning is irrelevant other than moving him sooner gives us a better shot at a higher pick in 2023.

[The Truth #6]

Unprotected FRPs sound like a new buzz word that GMs are getting fixated on. Unprotected is great, but is that enough of a sticking point to trade Yak? I mean, an UFRP from a great team seems worse than a lightly protected FRP from a bad team. Of course if the picks are way down the road then the more unprotected the better. But just saying I don’t recall this obsession over absolute UFRP until a few months ago.

[Dejounte]

So we have four out of five starters from the end of last season and people are fooling themselves if they think there isn’t any type of continuity that will take place.

And that’s not saying that those same four will be the starters over the course of next season. Just saying that there will be some continuity.

[slick'81]

Unprotected FRPs sound like a new buzz word that GMs are getting fixated on. Unprotected is great, but is that enough of a sticking point to trade Yak? I mean, an UFRP from a great team seems worse than a lightly protected FRP from a bad team. Of course if the picks are way down the road then the more unprotected the better. But just saying I don’t recall this obsession over absolute UFRP until a few months ago.


that's because the spurs barely made deals until recently. It definitely matters in terms of overall value

[rankingtear]

Unprotected FRPs sound like a new buzz word that GMs are getting fixated on. Unprotected is great, but is that enough of a sticking point to trade Yak? I mean, an UFRP from a great team seems worse than a lightly protected FRP from a bad team. Of course if the picks are way down the road then the more unprotected the better. But just saying I don’t recall this obsession over absolute UFRP until a few months ago.

The dream is to use them for a third star without salvaging your future. Open a championship window like MIL did. That is the goal for UFRP this far in the future.

[ambchang]

The issue I have with UFRPs are that they don’t necessarily mean high picks they are just unprotected in case it does turn out to be one.

The reality is that very few times have we seen an unprotected pick turning into a good pick (the lakers pick this year being an exception, and it was protected to begin with just that not protected high enough) and in any given draft there are maybe three or four players who are real actual blue chippers.

The spurs definitely got their draft picks worth as they turned late first founders like Derrick white and DJM into good trading prospects but the reality is are we really expecting to get players better than them in return bin future picks? DJM, being a borderline allstar is likely one of the best three or four players in any given draft, in fact in his draft class, he’s at worst number seven and at best third best player, even after taking the injuries of players like Simmons and Murray into account. In Derrick whites year, there were maybe four or five players better than him and most of those were late lottery players (Mitchell, bam). There were some ghastly players drafted in the high lottery for both teams.

Point is, UFRPs would:
A) require the pick to be in the unprotected range in the first place to mean anything
B) high enough in the draft to really be worth anything (top five or so) so the opposition has to either really suck or be incredibly (Un)lucky. A player who you can trade for an UFRP should keep the other team from being that bad to begin with so this is literally like playing the lottery.
C) be able to draft properly to get a decent enough player to replace the player you traded away for that pick in the fist place.
D) be able to develop that player into a player who was good enough to replace the player you traded away in the first place, along with a few years of lost time with that player
E) have the pick actually stick around afterwards.

The biggest upside with trading away a player for picks is to tank, whether you get an UFRP back is like playing the lottery. It means a lot to the team giving up the pick but not as much to the receiver.

Back to portal, zero chance any team can give a UFRP for him, I’d be happy with a top ten protected pick.

[FutureMan]

There is absolutely no chance you get an unprotected FRP for 1yr of Jak. You are unlikely to get two protected FRPs at this point but if you can without taking on a bad contract you absolutely hit that bid immediately.

The reason no contract extension talks are in place is because everyone knows he will garner more next year when he becomes a free agent. Jak has more power than we do at this point. Move him now or pay up later.

Our draft positioning is irrelevant other than moving him sooner gives us a better shot at a higher pick in 2023.

Agree to disagree I guess. Murray got us two unprotected picks, a pick swap, & CHA pick. I don’t see how Poeltl is worth less than a third of what Murray got us. Spurs just have to be patient plus not a ton of teams will be able to sign him next year anyway. Maybe Utah would be interested but only if they miss out on Wembanyama.

Also like someone else said, an unprotected pick doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be a great pick. Gotta hope that franchise sees a bright future like Atlanta did/does.

I have no problem paying Poeltl since there's is a 70-80% chance he’ll be better than what we get in return in a trade anyway.

With the right rotations we can easily lose a ton of games this year and keep Poeltl.

[rankingtear]

The issue I have with UFRPs are that they don’t necessarily mean high picks they are just unprotected in case it does turn out to be one.

The reality is that very few times have we seen an unprotected pick turning into a good pick (the lakers pick this year being an exception, and it was protected to begin with just that not protected high enough) and in any given draft there are maybe three or four players who are real actual blue chippers.

The spurs definitely got their draft picks worth as they turned late first founders like Derrick white and DJM into good trading prospects but the reality is are we really expecting to get players better than them in return bin future picks? DJM, being a borderline allstar is likely one of the best three or four players in any given draft, in fact in his draft class, he’s at worst number seven and at best third best player, even after taking the injuries of players like Simmons and Murray into account. In Derrick whites year, there were maybe four or five players better than him and most of those were late lottery players (Mitchell, bam). There were some ghastly players drafted in the high lottery for both teams.

Point is, UFRPs would:
A) require the pick to be in the unprotected range in the first place to mean anything
B) high enough in the draft to really be worth anything (top five or so) so the opposition has to either really suck or be incredibly (Un)lucky. A player who you can trade for an UFRP should keep the other team from being that bad to begin with so this is literally like playing the lottery.
C) be able to draft properly to get a decent enough player to replace the player you traded away for that pick in the fist place.
D) be able to develop that player into a player who was good enough to replace the player you traded away in the first place, along with a few years of lost time with that player
E) have the pick actually stick around afterwards.

The biggest upside with trading away a player for picks is to tank, whether you get an UFRP back is like playing the lottery. It means a lot to the team giving up the pick but not as much to the receiver.

Back to portal, zero chance any team can give a UFRP for him, I’d be happy with a top ten protected pick.

Since 2016. Tatum, Brown, Jamal Murray, Mikal Bridges, Franz Wagner , Jonathan Kuminga, Dyson Daniels, Jalen Williams.

[rankingtear]

^ Funny enough 2 of those are from LAL others are big markets.

[ambchang]

Since 2016. Tatum, Brown, Jamal Murray, Mikal Bridges, Franz Wagner , Jonathan Kuminga, Dyson Daniels, Jalen Williams.

Which brings it back to working out. Other than Tatum, brown and Murray, I’d say most people wouldn’t trade any of the other for DJM. And even Murray is a maybe due to his injury history.

[KingKev]

Which brings it back to working out. Other than Tatum, brown and Murray, I’d say most people wouldn’t trade any of the other for DJM. And even Murray is a maybe due to his injury history.

You are drastically over simplifying a trade.

[exstatic]

Which brings it back to working out. Other than Tatum, brown and Murray, I’d say most people wouldn’t trade any of the other for DJM. And even Murray is a maybe due to his injury history.

Ah, but we got TWO UFRPs and one UFRP swap for DJ. It’s not a 1 to 1 trade. Most of the NBA must hate the ATL FO right now for ramping up the prices of borderline All Stars. :lol

Also, other than Bridges, the others aren’t developed enough to say yay or nay yet.

[ambchang]

You are drastically over simplifying a trade.

Explain.

[ambchang]

Ah, but we got TWO UFRPs and one UFRP swap for DJ. It’s not a 1 to 1 trade. Most of the NBA must hate the ATL FO right now for ramping up the prices of borderline All Stars. :lol

Also, other than Bridges, the others aren’t developed enough to say yay or nay yet.
Fair point. I generally am not a fan of trade by volume. The team with the best player generally wins a trade. The thing is that the picks would potentially end up as a high pick, and even if that is the case would potentially lead to good players who require heavy investments.

I’m not comparing UFRP against nothing, I’m coming them agains PFRP. Unless a pick ended up in the top 6 or 7 ( generally where the protection kicks in) then it’s not much different.

[KingKev]

Fair point. I generally am not a fan of trade by volume. The team with the best player generally wins a trade. The thing is that the picks would potentially end up as a high pick, and even if that is the case would potentially lead to good players who require heavy investments.

I’m not comparing UFRP against nothing, I’m coming them agains PFRP. Unless a pick ended up in the top 6 or 7 ( generally where the protection kicks in) then it’s not much different.

Protection usually kicks in lottery so later. There is more strategy to this than you make out.

[exstatic]

Fair point. I generally am not a fan of trade by volume. The team with the best player generally wins a trade. The thing is that the picks would potentially end up as a high pick, and even if that is the case would potentially lead to good players who require heavy investments.

I’m not comparing UFRP against nothing, I’m coming them agains PFRP. Unless a pick ended up in the top 6 or 7 ( generally where the protection kicks in) then it’s not much different.

UFRPs are all identical. They convey in the draft year they’re for, no delays, chance for huge upside. FRPs are not. Next year’s CHA pick is 1-16,1-14,1-14, about as protected as a pick gets these days. The CHI 2025 pick is better by the virtue of being more lightly protected, 1-10,1-8,1-8. It could be a mid lottery pick. That’s pretty damn good as protected picks go.

The big difference is that you have a slim chance to hit a home run with a UFRP or pick swap. You could win the lottery. Never happens with a pick with any protections at all. We could lose out on the 2028 BOS pick swap, because it’s #1 pick protected.

[slick'81]

UFRPs are all identical. They convey in the draft year they’re for, no delays, chance for huge upside. FRPs are not. Next year’s CHA pick is 1-16,1-14,1-14, about as protected as a pick gets these days. The CHI 2025 pick is better by the virtue of being more lightly protected, 1-10,1-8,1-8. It could be a mid lottery pick. That’s pretty damn good as protected picks go.

The big difference is that you have a slim chance to hit a home run with a UFRP or pick swap. You could win the lottery. Never happens with a pick with any protections at all. We could lose out on the 2028 BOS pick swap, because it’s #1 pick protected.


this really is kind of obvious

[exstatic]

this really is kind of obvious

She’s not getting it.

[Chinook]

We can't let the acronym "UFRP" become a thing. We just can't.

[KingKev]

We can't let the acronym "UFRP" become a thing. We just can't.

It’s literally our only hope at this point. UFRP’s to the mooooon

[tonight...you]

It’s literally our only hope at this point. UFRP’s to the mooooon
Lol. That made me want to watch some MST3K.

[ambchang]

Protection usually kicks in lottery so later. There is more strategy to this than you make out.

The issue is that the strategy is to get as many as you can. The idea is to “time” when the other team starts to be bad but it’s more luck than anything. Would anyone think the lakers would yield a lottery pick this year in 2020 when they won the championship, or even at the beginning of this year when they were one of the favourites? People can see the nets falling in 2016 but to the extent they did? Not really. If most people can see it then the nets wouldn’t have done it.

[ambchang]

UFRPs are all identical. They convey in the draft year they’re for, no delays, chance for huge upside. FRPs are not. Next year’s CHA pick is 1-16,1-14,1-14, about as protected as a pick gets these days. The CHI 2025 pick is better by the virtue of being more lightly protected, 1-10,1-8,1-8. It could be a mid lottery pick. That’s pretty damn good as protected picks go.

The big difference is that you have a slim chance to hit a home run with a UFRP or pick swap. You could win the lottery. Never happens with a pick with any protections at all. We could lose out on the 2028 BOS pick swap, because it’s #1 pick protected.

Obviously. The key word is “slim” chance. My issue with UFRP gives a small chance on a small chance to get a good player. Is it better than a PFRP? Of course! But is it that much better? I’m not so sure.

[exstatic]

Obviously. The key word is “slim” chance. My issue with UFRP gives a small chance on a small chance to get a good player. Is it better than a PFRP? Of course! But is it that much better? I’m not so sure.

You can’t win the lottery with a protected pick. That’s why, even with slim odds, unprotected picks are far more valuable. Teams really don’t want to part with them. The whole thing is a crap shoot, but you want SOME chance at the top pick. Only one way to get that.

[ambchang]

You can’t win the lottery with a protected pick. That’s why, even with slim odds, unprotected picks are far more valuable. Teams really don’t want to part with them. The whole thing is a crap shoot, but you want SOME chance at the top pick. Only one way to get that.

I guess we generally agree on this, that the changes are slim. The area where we differ is how valuable that chance is.

[Ice009]

The issue is that the strategy is to get as many as you can. The idea is to “time” when the other team starts to be bad but it’s more luck than anything. Would anyone think the lakers would yield a lottery pick this year in 2020 when they won the championship, or even at the beginning of this year when they were one of the favourites? People can see the nets falling in 2016 but to the extent they did? Not really. If most people can see it then the nets wouldn’t have done it.

You'll have to refresh my memory on the 2016 Nets. Who did they have and were they expected to be better than they were? I assume Boston drafted Tatum or Brown with the draft pick?

[ambchang]

You'll have to refresh my memory on the 2016 Nets. Who did they have and were they expected to be better than they were? I assume Boston drafted Tatum or Brown with the draft pick?

The trade happened in 2013. People, while they expect the nets to be worse in 2016 as Garnett and Pierce aged, didn’t expect them to be that bad. If they did the nets wouldn’t have done that trade.

Besides, nobody in 2013 would expect players like Tatum and brown to be available then as it’s so far in the future. Even when they were available people can’t see both of them working out the way they did. Kudos to the Celtics in developing both of them into the superstars they are now but the point stands that it’s a crapshoot. Again, of course it’s better for the pick to be unprotected but the returns of a protected vs unprotected is really not as big as a gap as people make it out to be, especially when the picks are top 3 or so protected.

[exstatic]

The trade happened in 2013. People, while they expect the nets to be worse in 2016 as Garnett and Pierce aged, didn’t expect them to be that bad. If they did the nets wouldn’t have done that trade.

Besides, nobody in 2013 would expect players like Tatum and brown to be available then as it’s so far in the future. Even when they were available people can’t see both of them working out the way they did. Kudos to the Celtics in developing both of them into the superstars they are now but the point stands that it’s a crapshoot. Again, of course it’s better for the pick to be unprotected but the returns of a protected vs unprotected is really not as big as a gap as people make it out to be, especially when the picks are top 3 or so protected.

Top 3 protected pick still can’t win the lottery, and most agree top 3 is where 80% of the draft’s talent lies. You keep trying to argue that the value isn’t that different, mostly by comparing worst cases for UFRPs against best cases for the most lightly protected pick, but the value is quite different if you consider the most likely scenario for each type of FRP.

[Chinook]

FFS, there are many types of conveyance. Some picks are protected initially but are guaranteed to convey. Some have innate swap rights built in. Some can be deferred. Some are reverse-protected. To suggests that completely unprotected picks are the only thing distinct from like the Charlotte pick or the 2019 Raptors pick is way off base. Each type of protection has different strengths and weaknesses. The Spurs looking for just one kind of pick and be willing to pass up other ways to improve the team's long-term position would be insane to my way of thinking. Detroit, New York, OKC and Houston all showed how even moderately protected picks can be used to make the minor and intermediate trades that transitional teams need to be able to make while protecting their core assets. It's very possible that next year the Spurs see a guy in the middle of the first that they want, and it would be cool if they had a few picks like the Charlotte pick they could toss in to grab their guy.

[KingKev]

FFS, there are many types of conveyance. Some picks are protected initially but are guaranteed to convey. Some have innate swap rights built in. Some can be deferred. Some are reverse-protected. To suggests that completely unprotected picks are the only thing distinct from like the Charlotte pick or the 2019 Raptors pick is way off base. Each type of protection has different strengths and weaknesses. The Spurs looking for just one kind of pick and be willing to pass up other ways to improve the team's long-term position would be insane to my way of thinking. Detroit, New York, OKC and Houston all showed how even moderately protected picks can be used to make the minor and intermediate trades that transitional teams need to be able to make while protecting their core assets. It's very possible that next year the Spurs see a guy in the middle of the first that they want, and it would be cool if they had a few picks like the Charlotte pick they could toss in to grab their guy.

Agreed. Jak falls in the grey area where you don’t meed and won’t get zero protection. If you are swallowing most of Russ’ contract no restrictions to shit 25-40mm in cap away.

Also, ppl need to realize the cost of cap changes due various circumstances like any other market in this world.

[ambchang]

FFS, there are many types of conveyance. Some picks are protected initially but are guaranteed to convey. Some have innate swap rights built in. Some can be deferred. Some are reverse-protected. To suggests that completely unprotected picks are the only thing distinct from like the Charlotte pick or the 2019 Raptors pick is way off base. Each type of protection has different strengths and weaknesses. The Spurs looking for just one kind of pick and be willing to pass up other ways to improve the team's long-term position would be insane to my way of thinking. Detroit, New York, OKC and Houston all showed how even moderately protected picks can be used to make the minor and intermediate trades that transitional teams need to be able to make while protecting their core assets. It's very possible that next year the Spurs see a guy in the middle of the first that they want, and it would be cool if they had a few picks like the Charlotte pick they could toss in to grab their guy.

Thank you. You conveyed it way better than I ever could.

[KingKev]

Thank you. You conveyed it way better than I ever could.

well frankly you didn’t convey that.

[Elementis]

Thing with UFRP vs FRP is that you likely want it to be further in the future, so it is also a question of your own timeline. generally, any asset another team receives that is worth giving up a UFRP for is likely to make them good enough that short term no protection would kick in. so you'd want to get that further down the road, when it actually matters. a FRP you can take also in the near future, as it's likely to cash in as the other team will outperform the protection anyway.
as a team giving away the FRP, the best you can do is make the other team believe that making it a UFRP is worth something, whereas you expect it to be totally irrelevant. then you sell something worth nothing to get something back.

[Seventyniner]

well frankly you didn’t convey that.

It only would have conveyed if Chinook hadn't jumped into the top 4.

[ambchang]

well frankly you didn’t convey that.

That honing on an UFRP is overrated? I was quite clear on that in the first post.

[pookenstein]

Jakob Poeltl Expects To Make More In Free Agency Than What Spurs Can Offer On Extension
Jakob Poeltl can sign a contract extension with the San Antonio Spurs, but the two sides are limited on the number that can be agreed upon at this point due to his current contract that pays $9.4 million. The two sides have reportedly discussed an extension, but Poeltl believes he can do better on the open market this offseason when his contract expires.
"Jakob Poeltl is in the final year of his contract," said Brian Windhorst. "From what I'm told, the Spurs discussed a contract extension with him, but he's limited by how much he can sign for. It's the same reason they traded Dejounte Murray. They did such a good job on the contract that it almost works against you because when you want to sign a player, the player wants more than you can give him because you're limited on how much of a raise you can give in an extension.
"I believe Poeltl can sign an extension that can average $14 million per year. That's pretty good money for him, but he thinks he can do better and I don't blame him the way he's playing he probably can.
"Maybe the Spurs get to the offseason and re-sign him. He's headed for free agency. He can reverse course and take the extension offer. I don't know that's what they offered. I know the max they can offer him $14.5 million, $15 million on average.
"He is a trade candidate."

[FutureMan]

What a coincidence.. the max amount they can pay him is exactly how much I’d offer haha

[Chinook]

I really wish people didn't take what Windhorst says as reporting. Most of the time, it's just his analysis. Like the Spurs being limited has been well-known on this forum for ages, and he's obviously worth it. So one can safely say they want to extend him but that he thinks he's worth more. But if his goal is to earn more money, the Spurs are still his best bet going forward. There's no reason for the Spurs to believe they're in real danger of losing Poeltl if they really value him.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs fans should probably get used to this. This same situation is what happened with Murray and its what is likely going to happen with Keldon. When players outplay the value of their second contract, it doesn't make sense for them to sign an extension because they're likely losing a lot of value. Doesn't mean that the Spurs can't still offer the appropriate value for a player, but it is more dicey as it requires going to free agency since it can't be through an extension. They'll probably address this in the next CBA.

[K...]

The good news is that with no ball dominant guys, players should want to stay. Poertle isn't going to get much better offers. Keldon might get swayed by a big market looking for a star but the spurs know how to trade these guys for value so no big deal

[Seventyniner]

Spurs fans should probably get used to this. This same situation is what happened with Murray and its what is likely going to happen with Keldon. When players outplay the value of their second contract, it doesn't make sense for them to sign an extension because they're likely losing a lot of value. Doesn't mean that the Spurs can't still offer the appropriate value for a player, but it is more dicey as it requires going to free agency since it can't be through an extension. They'll probably address this in the next CBA.

Agreed. There are so many other ways in which an incumbent team gets advantages in re-signing their own players, the restriction on max extension size doesn't really make sense. Since the Spurs will have Poeltl's full Bird rights at the end of this season why restrict them from offering an extension up to his maximum salary now? I sure hope the next CBA does address this.

[Ariel]

Problem is, what he supposedly rejected (around 15M per year) is about fair value IMO, judging by other centers' contracts (Jarret Allen, Valanciunas, Robert Williams, Capela, etc.). It shouldn't go much higher... maybe a couple million more (17/18), but more than than would be an overpay IMO.

[LeBowen]

Problem is, what he supposedly rejected (around 15M per year) is about fair value IMO, judging by other centers' contracts (Jarret Allen, Valanciunas, Robert Williams, Capela, etc.). It shouldn't go much higher... maybe a couple million more (17/18), but more than than would be an overpay IMO.

Well, he's better than all of them in today's game and the cap is rising, so someone will offer 20ish, no question.
I'd go up to 18 to 20 with the new cap, he's worth it.

[Mr. Body]

I remember when many (including our site leader) were very unhappy with the contract Poeltl signed, believing it way too much.

[Ariel]

Well, he's better than all of them in today's game and the cap is rising, so someone will offer 20ish, no question.
I'd go up to 18 to 20 with the new cap, he's worth it.
No he isn't, that's a Spurs fan speaking. Go ask Cleveland, NO or Boston if they'd swap any one of them for Poeltl and you'll get rejected in a minute.

[BillMc]

I really wish people didn't take what Windhorst says as reporting. Most of the time, it's just his analysis. Like the Spurs being limited has been well-known on this forum for ages, and he's obviously worth it. So one can safely say they want to extend him but that he thinks he's worth more. But if his goal is to earn more money, the Spurs are still his best bet going forward. There's no reason for the Spurs to believe they're in real danger of losing Poeltl if they really value him.

If they don't extend him, the Spurs can pay him anything as an FA, right? His current salary doesn't affect FA offers, only extensions, right?

[Mr. Body]

No he isn't, that's a Spurs fan speaking. Go ask Cleveland, NO or Boston if they'd swap any one of them for Poeltl and you'll get rejected in a minute.

Boston would probably swap him for Robert Williams instantly just on durability alone.

[The Truth #6]

I think Yak is underrated, and because of that I also don’t see a team coveting him unless it’s a team with a former Spurs staffer/coach who appreciates him. He has no jump shot. His game is nuanced but with some holes and there are reasons teams won’t pursue him, not all valid, but he’s under the radar. Just saying…

[CGD]

Well, he's better than all of them in today's game and the cap is rising, so someone will offer 20ish, no question.
I'd go up to 18 to 20 with the new cap, he's worth it.

Some context: Steven Adams earns over 17M this year.

[RC_Drunkford]

The good news is that with no ball dominant guys, players should want to stay. Poertle isn't going to get much better offers. Keldon might get swayed by a big market looking for a star but the spurs know how to trade these guys for value so no big deal

can't wait to see who we gon draft with these 2035 picks that we get for Keldon

[TDomination]

It’s so great to have good players to be able to trade for future picks and whenever those picks become promising players we can trade them for even further future picks and so on

[mystargtr34]

I think fair value for Jak is about $18M-$20M with a rising cap. He’s an elite rim protecter, good PNR defender. Can get you 15 PPG rolling to the basket.

Some teams will offer him 4/$80M i think.

[Ocotillo]

You listen to offers for Jak, just like you listen to offers for pretty much anyone on this roster. It would throw cold water on what we have been enjoying, watching this group overperform but if someone backs up a Brinks truck, you do what you have to do. If you don't get what you want, I would make sure you re-sign him as a free agent.

[baseline bum]

I think fair value for Jak is about $18M-$20M with a rising cap. He’s an elite rim protecter, good PNR defender. Can get you 15 PPG rolling to the basket.

Some teams will offer him 4/$80M i think.

Vucevic already makes more than that. On a $134 million cap Poetl's market value will probably end up around 4 years, $112 million conservatively, which would be start at $25 million for the first year.

[FutureMan]

Spurs are in a great position for Poeltl. Take a nice trade offer, only accept an appropriate amount for an extension, or just build a better center in the draft.

[scott]

There is a scenario where we win big but end up kicking ourselves. Let’s say the trade deadline rolls around and we’re in the 6th seed. Because of this, we decide to hold on to Jak. Then we hit the wall and we tumble not only out of the playoffs, but also out of the play-in. We win the lottery, and it’s obviously we’ll be selecting Wemby. Jak walks for nothing (maybe the cap gurus can help me understand if there is even sign-and-trade value with Jak) but we still get Wemby. So we win, but we are kicking ourselves for not flipping Jak at the deadline.

*If there is legit Sign and Trade value, maybe this is all less important. Sure, we might not get the same return as flipping him now but at least we get something. Demar ended up effectively getting two firsts in his sign-and-trade.

[CGD]

Spurs are in a great position for Poeltl. Take a nice trade offer, only accept an appropriate amount for an extension, or just build a better center in the draft.

I also think it’s going to be the same crappy teams with significant cap space again in 2023, so that may impact where he’s willing to sign long term at a higher figure. May be in his interest now to start giving spurs a list of teams he’d want to be traded too so that team can get his Byrd rights.

[FutureMan]

I also think it’s going to be the same crappy teams with significant cap space again in 2023, so that may impact where he’s willing to sign long term at a higher figure. May be in his interest now to start giving spurs a list of teams he’d want to be traded too so that team can get his Byrd rights.

Id like that. I don’t hate the guy so I’d prefer him to sign somewhere he’d prefer to go especially if it is a small market team. I’ve had my sights set on Utah for those Minny picks ever since that trade happened.

[wildbill2u]

the duo of Collins and Poertle is pretty damn good whether they alternate or play together as they did against a big team the other night. And Dieng ain't bad as a number 3. All in all we have the 5 slot as well covered as much as any team in the league.

[Mr. Body]

I hope for a re-sign. It's just freakin' impossible to get good centers, especially defensive ones.

[rankingtear]

I think at least 3 teams would offer him 20. Too much cap space next season and big holes at the 5.

[XDT76]

How things changed quickly now people talk about Poeltl fair value of 18 to 20M and others say it's below fair value. Just last season some people think 12M is overpay.

[Fireball]

I want to keep him. He is steadying the ship.

[Sugus]

I remember when many (including our site leader) were very unhappy with the contract Poeltl signed, believing it way too much.

Damn right. I still like to revisit that thread from time to time. SpursTalk talent evaluation at its finest.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1588576986863177728

[John B]

I have to say I’m leaning on Spurs resigning Jak. I see he plays well with a bigger defensive Sochan at 4. But also Jak has also been active offensively, attacking and even that reverse dunk? Is he going north of 25mil per year? And then there’s Keldon and soon Devin who both will have a pay raise.

[poopbox]

As bad as the warriors are playing I would be on the phone with them offering Poeltl and charlottes first that won't actually be a first for Wiseman.

[Kevin]

Wiseman still isnt very good but there's still time. Wiseman plus an unprotected FRP in 2027 as Curry and Co approach 40 years old.

[mo7888]

As bad as the warriors are playing I would be on the phone with them offering Poeltl and charlottes first that won't actually be a first for Wiseman.

They'd be adding the 1st in that trade

[KobesAchilles]

25 million a year? Pass :lmao

[The Truth #6]

It’s good to see articles praising him. Could help his trade value but resigning him could make sense also if our outside shooting continues, but that implies having JRich and McDougall around, potentially. We always need shooting but do we really want to build around…Yak? It’s hard to say so early in the season.

[rankingtear]

As bad as the warriors are playing I would be on the phone with them offering Poeltl and charlottes first that won't actually be a first for Wiseman.

Why? We going for the bobcats record?

[CGD]

They'd be adding the 1st in that trade

Concur. I think Wiseman has fallen out of the rotation on that team as well which isn’t a good sign

[John B]

If Poeltl wants that 25mil a year, he needs to play well against better centers. I feel Zubac’s size affected him, which we saw too many in the past.

[scott]

In the context of Jak… I think we are in a little bit of a pickle with potentially trading him, because he’s one of the league’s best centers, we probably have a good shot of resigning him, and we don’t have much of a plan B other than landing Wemby.

Even if we get the #2 pick, we’re going to want Jak there. Scoot/Dev/Keldon/Soch/Jak seems like a pretty exciting, well-rounded young lineup.

Now, if you land Wemby, you’re going to wish you had moved Jak during the season when his value was highest… but we can’t count on that. Are there any other C prospects that we’d feel comfortable moving on from Jak for in the draft say if we are picking like 6th?

I’m probably Bassey #1 fanboy around here, but I see his potential as high-impact backup C, not as Jak’s replacement. I think we need to be planning around Jak’s future in the context that we’ll likely not being getting Wemby… in which case, all of the best prospects after him are guards or wings from what it appears. I guess on the bright side, there might be room for a G/W with Primo out of the way.

[TD 21]

In the context of Jak… I think we are in a little bit of a pickle with potentially trading him, because he’s one of the league’s best centers, we probably have a good shot of resigning him, and we don’t have much of a plan B other than landing Wemby.

Even if we get the #2 pick, we’re going to want Jak there. Scoot/Dev/Keldon/Soch/Jak seems like a pretty exciting, well-rounded young lineup.

Now, if you land Wemby, you’re going to wish you had moved Jak during the season when his value was highest… but we can’t count on that. Are there any other C prospects that we’d feel comfortable moving on from Jak for in the draft say if we are picking like 6th?

I’m probably Bassey #1 fanboy around here, but I see his potential as high-impact backup C, not as Jak’s replacement. I think we need to be planning around Jak’s future in the context that we’ll likely not being getting Wemby… in which case, all of the best prospects after him are guards or wings from what it appears. I guess on the bright side, there might be room for a G/W with Primo out of the way.

If they weren't concerned with going with Jones/Primo/Wesley at PG then why would they be with potentially Collins/Dieng/Bassey/Barlow at C?

Also, as good as Poeltl is, he's not good enough (and C is loaded enough) to worry about how they'd fill the hole going forward.

[mystargtr34]

If Poeltl wants that 25mil a year, he needs to play well against better centers. I feel Zubac’s size affected him, which we saw too many in the past.

You mean Zubac physicality combined with his size affected him I think. Agree with that.

Jakob did fine against Gobert who's 7'2, but he's no where near as bruising and physical as Zubac.

Other than Embiid and Jokic there's not really many other starting calibre C's who can do that to Jak.

[KingKev]

You mean Zubac physicality combined with his size affected him I think. Agree with that.

Jakob did fine against Gobert who's 7'2, but he's no where near as bruising and physical as Zubac.

Other than Embiid and Jokic there's not really many other starting calibre C's who can do that to Jak.

JV and Adams also but no reason Jak can’t reciprocate. He is 7’1 and a solid 250. Wish he had Zollins’ ruggedness; wanting to mix it up, dunk everything, punch on guys heads.

[mystargtr34]

JV and Adams also but no reason Jak can’t reciprocate. He is 7’1 and a solid 250. Wish he had Zollins’ ruggedness; wanting to mix it up, dunk everything, punch on guys heads.

Yeah those two are in the Zubac big bruiser category, didn't think of them.

[ragas]

In an interview with an Austrian broadcaster Poeltl said today that his future is in San Antonio if it’s his choice. He would love to be part of the rebuild and fight for the playoffs in the coming years. But he also knows that he could be traded.

[wildbill2u]

You keep Jakob until you actually get to draft someone like Wemby. Resign him soon. Don't trade him while wishing for a unicorn in the draft. IF you luck out and get the unicorn, then you can make a disposition via trade.

[Kevin]

This is probably premature but Sochan's long term spot might be C given his outside shooting woes. The Spurs could easily find themselves taking Greg Jackson and sliding Sochan to C.

[BackHome]

I like your thought process and agree the we might start seeing Sochan more at the 5 then the 4 and yeah I really like GG Jackson who could also play some time at the 5. I think it just comes down to two things 1. Does someone give us good trade value for Poetl? and 2. Will he want the bank or sign a reasonable contract? The Spurs should all ready know what $ money range he is looking at and if they are not going to pay it then they HAVE to trade him for something you can not let him walk for nothing!!

[Kevin]

I like your thought process and agree the we might start seeing Sochan more at the 5 then the 4 and yeah I really like GG Jackson who could also play some time at the 5. I think it just comes down to two things 1. Does someone give us good trade value for Poetl? and 2. Will he want the bank or sign a reasonable contract? The Spurs should all ready know what $ money range he is looking at and if they are not going to pay it then they HAVE to trade him for something you can not let him walk for nothing!!

There are just too many unknowns at this point but we'll get answers as the season moves on. Trades become a lot easier on December 15th when a lot of contracts signed this summer become tradeable.

[ismael-robert]

I swore if Jak wanted to raise his value he was gonna come into this year raising his free throw percentage to around 80%. He's still a liability teams are willing to go hack a Jak on. On a team with so many close games his free throws can be game changers.

[ragas]

Before the 2106 draft Poeltl was asked where he would want to be drafted. His answer: "I would like to play for the Boston Celtics one day. I don't know if this will ever happen - or when, because it's not my decision. So I don't have any hopes or thoughts about it." (Interview with the Austrian radio station Hitradio OE3)

[Dejounte]

People Who Tried To Frame Collins As Being Better Than Poeltl Was Ludicrous. Collins Doesn’t Even Hold His Jock.

[Knoxxx]

Poetl was obviously better than Collins, we still need another quality big obviously. Having only one doesn’t cut it. Not sure why we sent Barlow back to G league either. Nobody can really guard Embiid, especially not us.

[Seventyniner]

Collins is a better fit next to Wemby on paper. Too bad games aren't played on paper.

Wemby and Poeltl would have been a very awkward fit. imo if the Spurs hadn't traded Poeltl at the deadline last year they would have traded him on draft night or in July.

[Dejounte]

Collins is a better fit next to Wemby on paper. Too bad games aren't played on paper.

Wemby and Poeltl would have been a very awkward fit. imo if the Spurs hadn't traded Poeltl at the deadline last year they would have traded him on draft night or in July.

I’m Not Sure We Should Be Looking At This As “Who Fits Next To Wemby Better” But Who Would Be The Better Backup. Any Idea That Had Another Big Starting Next To Wemby Needs To Be Squashed IMO

[poopbox]

Only the spurs could find a big worse than Poeltl :cry

[Seventyniner]

I’m Not Sure We Should Be Looking At This As “Who Fits Next To Wemby Better” But Who Would Be The Better Backup. Any Idea That Had Another Big Starting Next To Wemby Needs To Be Squashed IMO

I agree. It's too bad the Spurs waited so long to pivot to seeing Wemby as the starting C instead of PF. Long enough to give Collins that bad extension.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Poetl was obviously better than Collins, we still need another quality big obviously. Having only one doesn’t cut it. Not sure why we sent Barlow back to G league either. Nobody can really guard Embiid, especially not us.
Apparently he didn't even play in yesterdays G league game, he was listed as Not With Team.

[Mr. Body]

Only the spurs could find a big worse than Poeltl :cry

These takes are just outright stupid.

Like, really.

They got Collins on a free. And he's a different player than Poeltl. And Poeltl gets wrecked by Embiid, too. Collins is lighter and can't handle him, but no one can right now. As I've been saying numerous times, Collins is more of a PF in size.

The question is what kind of big man will work with Wembanyama, whether starting or more likely coming off the bench. Poeltl would gum things up far more than Collins would, but Collins can't guard Embiid/Jokic.

[poopbox]

These takes are just outright stupid.

Like, really.

They got Collins on a free. And he's a different player than Poeltl. And Poeltl gets wrecked by Embiid, too. Collins is lighter and can't handle him, but no one can right now. As I've been saying numerous times, Collins is more of a PF in size.

The question is what kind of big man will work with Wembanyama, whether starting or more likely coming off the bench. Poeltl would gum things up far more than Collins would, but Collins can't guard Embiid/Jokic.

You know what kind of big won't work with Wemby? Unanthletic stiff who can't shoot, can't score, can't pass, and can't defend. You know...like Collins.

[rascal]

Collins is a net negative to this roster. The team plays worse with him on the floor.

[Atl Spur]

With the right center “ body type “ both of our pf “ body types “ ( Zollins & Wemby ) would function just fine. The problem is neither one can hold their position against physical post players. We’ll get the right piece:)

[Proxy]

ah yes, our single missing piece in case we meet the Sixers in the finals this year or next

[SPURt]

Bumping this thread… Jakob has been ballin lately

[spurraider21]

yeah but that kid we're getting in 20131 is worth the wait

[exstatic]

The pick could have very easily not conveyed. They were sitting at #6, a position that would have retained the pick for them, and two teams, Rockets and Hawks, jumped right over them, and sent the pick back to#8 and to us. We sure as shit wouldn’t get it this year, and it would have become two seconds, which is far worse than an unprotected first, an unprotected swap,and a #1 protected swap.

[spurraider21]

The pick could have very easily not conveyed. They were sitting at #6, a position that would have retained the pick for them, and two teams, Rockets and Hawks, jumped right over them, and sent the pick back to#8 and to us. We sure as shit wouldn’t get it this year, and it would have become two seconds, which is far worse than an unprotected first, an unprotected swap,and a #1 protected swap.
if it didnt convey this year, it also would have been available for the 2026 draft as well

as for this year, we are still very early in the season, they are currently in the 5 spot, quickley has only played in 3 games, Barnes in 4. barrett is playing the best ball of his career, Poeltl has been good, and Dick has taken a year 2 leap. theres room for them to improve down the stretch when they get healthy. barnes was full participant in practice yesterday and should be back soon