Jakob Poeltl

[RC_Drunkford]

That contract is looking better and better

[Sugus]

That contract is looking better and better

I tried telling y'all, I really did... You included ;)

[KingKev]

If Jak would just dunk the damn ball his poor free throw shooting would be less important.

[Sugus]

If Jak would just dunk the damn ball his poor free throw shooting would be less important.


For what it’s worth, he is dunking the ball more often than ever before, too. He had 141 dunks in the first 348 games of his career — or 0.40 per game. This season, he already has seven dunks in six games — or 1.2 per game.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-stats-scottie-barnes-evan-fournier-jakob-poeltl/

[KingKev]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-stats-scottie-barnes-evan-fournier-jakob-poeltl/

Yeah I read that today and Sean Elliott mentioned the coaching staff is on him about it so he is working on it but the bar was pretty damn low tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

Asset to trade!

[Sugus]

Yeah I read that today and Sean Elliott mentioned the coaching staff is on him about it so he is working on it but the bar was pretty damn low tbh.

It's just not his game, he's a finesse big more than a power big. Timmy wasn't out there dunking every damn ball either, as opposed to someone like Dwight, just to name a comp. It's absolutely true, though, that you gotta "make up" for that lack of physicality in other areas in order to be effective; Timmy needs no explanation there. And Jakob, as of this season, doesn't need one either, since he's improved most if not every facet of his game. I actually think his dunking rate as of now is pretty fine, he had another one in tonight's game. I'm more concerned about his FT regression right now tbh.

If I had to pick one, I'd choose having Jak develop a solid post move or two over dunking every day of the week. Seeing as he's still developing, I'm holding out hope, but he looks mighty clueless in the low post sometimes. Sabonis was schooling him tonight with that quick hook shot, Poeltl needs something like that ASAP.

[KingKev]

It's just not his game, he's a finesse big more than a power big. Timmy wasn't out there dunking every damn ball either, as opposed to someone like Dwight, just to name a comp. It's absolutely true, though, that you gotta "make up" for that lack of physicality in other areas in order to be effective; Timmy needs no explanation there. And Jakob, as of this season, doesn't need one either, since he's improved most if not every facet of his game. I actually think his dunking rate as of now is pretty fine, he had another one in tonight's game. I'm more concerned about his FT regression right now tbh.

If I had to pick one, I'd choose having Jak develop a solid post move or two over dunking every day of the week. Seeing as he's still developing, I'm holding out hope, but he looks mighty clueless in the low post sometimes. Sabonis was schooling him tonight with that quick hook shot, Poeltl needs something like that ASAP.


Yeah the closest thing he has to a signature move in the paint is that awkward pop shot (which has been effective). He has made great progress but these flip shots around the rim that often seem to roll off are frustrating. Would love to see him gather himself on an offensive rebound, take one rebound and go up strong here and there.

[talkspurs]

If he were better, they’d use him more. He’s pretty much just a jumping Jack, a Metu type. KBD is better than Boucher.

There have been many many players that have not played on one team and switched to another team and were good. So just because they do not play does not mean they are not good. I do see that you have a hard time evaluating players as you wanted to trade Murray + for ben and that would have been a horrible trade.

[DAF86]

I divide basketball fans into two groups: those who diss Poeltl and those who understand basketball.

[BackHome]

I couldn’t stand him but I gotta give him credit he is playing so much better on the offensive side it’s like night and day. Still want him to work on just dunking, free throws, and maybe learn the sky hook if anyone can bring it back it’s Poodle

[gambit1990]

can he still go into brent berry mode?

http://binaryapi.ap.org/3e704217f51d4703ab6761aa5c735dbc/460x.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/c8/07/cec80778a9bf4fdca7333ae37d45d541.jpg

[gambit1990]

i'd trade him. like i said in another thread, you're not winning a ring with him unless he's starting alongside a frontcourt player who is much better than him.

he also doesn't have some wild ceiling.

white + jakob + thad for ...

[Elementis]

Poeltl isn't going to carry the team to a ring, but honestly, there's like 2 centers in the league who have that potential right now.
at at the same time, the spurs have no player who actually qualifies as a proper PF, but your keen on trading away your C, who is at least delivering at least on one end of the court (and being less of a liability on offsense than last year)

[exstatic]

I couldn’t stand him but I gotta give him credit he is playing so much better on the offensive side it’s like night and day. Still want him to work on just dunking, free throws, and maybe learn the sky hook if anyone can bring it back it’s Poodle

He’s really playing almost the same as last year, setting picks, and diving to the hoop. The difference is, those picks are leading to ball movement, and 3 pointers more often, and ISOs and dribbling the air out of the ball less often. The offense is just better to watch this year, but that’s not on Jakob. Jak just doing Jak things.

[John B]

He’s really playing almost the same as last year, setting picks, and diving to the hoop. The difference is, those picks are leading to ball movement, and 3 pointers more often, and ISOs and dribbling the air out of the ball less often. The offense is just better to watch this year, but that’s not on Jakob. Jak just doing Jak things.

Or the players around him just got better. Or I do admit he has shown improvements on offense this year. But still it’s the lack of physicality, and more often getting overpowered by opposing bigs and that’s my biggest criticism of Poeltl. He cowers under pressure, it’s the lack of dog in him.

[LeBowen]

i'd trade him. like i said in another thread, you're not winning a ring with him unless he's starting alongside a frontcourt player who is much better than him.

he also doesn't have some wild ceiling.

white + jakob + thad for ...

I said more or less the same thing in another topic some days ago.

It's not even about winning a ring, it's about getting the best value.

Right now, he's on one of the best contracts in the league, no question. But his current deal expires in 2023 and he'll certainly ask for ~15 million per year. As he should because he's better than a lot of players who earn that kind of money.
But then his value to the team diminishes.

Not to mention that he'd get hacked every close game in the playoffs. And it doesn't look like he'll ever improve his FTs.

He's good at his role on offense, but current roster would benefit so much from a big that's able to stretch the floor.

I'd do that same trade you suggested if we can get a good wing from it.

[BackHome]

So far this has been his best season by far he is averaging about 12pts - 9 rebounds - and 3 assist a game. So trading him is always and option but would you get a better player in a trade? He is getting better each year so hope for more improvement next season he definitely needs to hit the weight room and add maybe 10pds of muscle and work on his core strength which should help him with some of the bigs he has problems with.

[John B]

So far this has been his best season by far he is averaging about 12pts - 9 rebounds - and 3 assist a game. So trading him is always and option but would you get a better player in a trade? He is getting better each year so hope for more improvement next season he definitely needs to hit the weight room and add maybe 10pds of muscle and work on his core strength which should help him with some of the bigs he has problems with.

I completely agree with packaging Poeltl while his stock is high. He’s 26. I doubt he’s adding more to his weight as it may just slow him down covering perimeter. He is what he is at this point. Developing Jock to NBA speed, while hoping Zollins pan out should make it an easier decision. Poeltl, White, Thad, Bulls FRP + could be very attractive.

[KingKev]

He’s really playing almost the same as last year, setting picks, and diving to the hoop. The difference is, those picks are leading to ball movement, and 3 pointers more often, and ISOs and dribbling the air out of the ball less often. The offense is just better to watch this year, but that’s not on Jakob. Jak just doing Jak things.


DJ is also spoon feeding him. Those two are working quite well together. Jak needs a complimentary big at the 4 beside him. Would help him stay out of foul trouble.

[KingKev]

I completely agree with packaging Poeltl while his stock is high. He’s 26. I doubt he’s adding more to his weight as it may just slow him down covering perimeter. He is what he is at this point. Developing Jock to NBA speed, while hoping Zollins pan out should make it an easier decision. Poeltl, White, Thad, Bulls FRP + could be very attractive.

That will net you Westbrook or John Wall in today’s NBA. Break those
pieces trade into a few smaller ones and you can probably add a couple of guys who help balance the roster out; guys like Myles Turner or Buddy Hield.

[TD 21]

I said more or less the same thing in another topic some days ago.

It's not even about winning a ring, it's about getting the best value.

Right now, he's on one of the best contracts in the league, no question. But his current deal expires in 2023 and he'll certainly ask for ~15 million per year. As he should because he's better than a lot of players who earn that kind of money.
But then his value to the team diminishes.

Not to mention that he'd get hacked every close game in the playoffs. And it doesn't look like he'll ever improve his FTs.

He's good at his role on offense, but current roster would benefit so much from a big that's able to stretch the floor.

I'd do that same trade you suggested if we can get a good wing from it.

Williams, Carter Jr. and Holmes have all recently signed extensions or re-signed in the $4/48M range (with different incentives), which is the ballpark he figures to be in. Considering he's not up until '23, maybe with inflation he gets $50M.

Unless they draft an heir apparent in that time (which I doubt), he's likely to be a long term fixture.

[John B]

That will net you Westbrook or John Wall in today’s NBA. Break those
pieces trade into a few smaller ones and you can probably add a couple of guys who help balance the roster out; guys like Myles Turner or Buddy Hield.

:dizzy Break to smaller pieces to get Myles Turner? Has he fallen that low? :lol

[KingKev]

:dizzy Break to smaller pieces to get Myles Turner? Has he fallen that low? :lol

You just put together over 1/3rd of the salary cap plus an FRP in one trade. I’m saying D White and a first, Jak and a first or Thad and a first gets you in the conversation of bringing in something that fits well like Turner or Buddy; players in the 20mm range who fit a need.

[Elementis]

or you offer Bryn and ask the Lakers to attach a FRP to Westbrick ;)

[KingKev]

or you offer Bryn and ask the Lakers to attach a FRP to Westbrick ;)

Unless the Lakers are willing to attach THT, Russ is officially unmovable and will finish this contract in LA. The Lakers have 120mm tied up between LBJ/AD/Russ. I think they can trade their 2026 FRP maybe LOL.

Lebron is a hell of a ball player but as a GM not so much.

[exstatic]

:dizzy Break to smaller pieces to get Myles Turner? Has he fallen that low? :lol

Like a number of players, the new game ushered in in 2015 has dropped his value drastically.

[exstatic]

or you offer Bryn and ask the Lakers to attach a FRP to Westbrick ;)

LOL. I don’t think the Lakers have a FRP left this decade to trade outright. They’ll be paying for AD after both LeBron and he retire.

[CGD]

Jak has been great and arguably the 2nd best player on team. But I do agree he’s a candidate to be moved sooner rather than later to extract some value before his deal is done. I look at a team like GSW as a potential partner, who are playing great, but probably would like to shore up the 5 as they prepare for likes of Ayton, Joker, and Rudy in playoffs.

[BackHome]

Just curious what would a trade with Golden State look like? Or what player or picks would you want from them in a trade?

[CGD]

Just curious what would a trade with Golden State look like? Or what player or picks would you want from them in a trade?

They have lots of interesting young pieces over there, but I’d probably target Wiseman personally with the understanding that Spurs may have include something else too. Not everyone’s cup of tea, I know, but seems like someone they can be patient on along side Primo, Devon, and this years pick.

So may be Jak and that protected CHI pick?

[CGD]

I said more or less the same thing in another topic some days ago.

It's not even about winning a ring, it's about getting the best value.

Right now, he's on one of the best contracts in the league, no question. But his current deal expires in 2023 and he'll certainly ask for ~15 million per year. As he should because he's better than a lot of players who earn that kind of money.
But then his value to the team diminishes.

Not to mention that he'd get hacked every close game in the playoffs. And it doesn't look like he'll ever improve his FTs.

He's good at his role on offense, but current roster would benefit so much from a big that's able to stretch the floor.

I'd do that same trade you suggested if we can get a good wing from it.

The point about his next deal is important. Strong possibility he’s gone after 2023, which should but his high value right now into greater focus. I think Spurs reassess if they see signs of life out of Zach.

[Seventyniner]

Like a number of players, the new game ushered in in 2015 has dropped his value drastically.

I haven't watched Turner specifically, but his stats this year are sterling.

Hitting 36.5% of the 4.6 threes he takes per game and 68.0% on 2-pointers.
Career 35.4% from three, not great but good enough from your center imo.
48.0% of his shots are from 3, 24.6% from 0-3 ft, 19.7% from 3-10 ft (7.7% from all other locations).
TS% of 64.1 (quite good for a player with half his attempts from three).
BLK% of 8.3 (leads the league).
WS/48 of 0.166 this season and 0.131 for his career.
One more year on his deal at $18M.

Is this guy a locker room problem or something? Or does Indiana just want a fresh start? If it's the latter I would absolutely want him on the Spurs, though of course it depends on what Indiana would want in return.

[JeffDuncan]

I haven't watched Turner specifically, but his stats this year are sterling.

Hitting 36.5% of the 4.6 threes he takes per game and 68.0% on 2-pointers.
Career 35.4% from three, not great but good enough from your center imo.
48.0% of his shots are from 3, 24.6% from 0-3 ft, 19.7% from 3-10 ft (7.7% from all other locations).
TS% of 64.1 (quite good for a player with half his attempts from three).
BLK% of 8.3 (leads the league).
WS/48 of 0.166 this season and 0.131 for his career.
One more year on his deal at $18M.

Is this guy a locker room problem or something? Or does Indiana just want a fresh start? If it's the latter I would absolutely want him on the Spurs, though of course it depends on what Indiana would want in return.


The Pacers have a 14-21 record with a payroll that’s within $2M of putting them into the luxury tax. In other words, they have a severe lack of bang for the buck.

Sabonis and Turner are both talented players, but as a tandem they aren’t working out. Thus the interest in trading one or the other, in hopes of a combination that will work better.

[BackHome]

I haven't watched Turner specifically, but his stats this year are sterling.

Hitting 36.5% of the 4.6 threes he takes per game and 68.0% on 2-pointers.
Career 35.4% from three, not great but good enough from your center imo.
48.0% of his shots are from 3, 24.6% from 0-3 ft, 19.7% from 3-10 ft (7.7% from all other locations).
TS% of 64.1 (quite good for a player with half his attempts from three).
BLK% of 8.3 (leads the league).
WS/48 of 0.166 this season and 0.131 for his career.
One more year on his deal at $18M.

Is this guy a locker room problem or something? Or does Indiana just want a fresh start? If it's the latter I would absolutely want him on the Spurs, though of course it depends on what Indiana would want in return.

So he is going to want to get paid big time money for his new contract is he a max guy? Is he a guy you invest a large chunk of your teams salary in?

[Mr. Body]

Unless the Lakers are willing to attach THT, Russ is officially unmovable and will finish this contract in LA. The Lakers have 120mm tied up between LBJ/AD/Russ. I think they can trade their 2026 FRP maybe LOL.

Lebron is a hell of a ball player but as a GM not so much.

THT probably has negative value right now. He was overhyped before this year and now he's absolutely terrible.

[Dejounte]

THT probably has negative value right now. He was overhyped before this year and now he's absolutely terrible.

I remember that turd Bynumite would come on this board to brag about THT being better than any of our young players :lmao

[Mr. Body]

I remember that turd Bynumite would come on this board to brag about THT being better than any of our young players :lmao

Lakers players get so overhyped it's absurd. Brandon fucking Ingram got an All-Star berth because of the media and fan hype and he clearly didn't deserve it.

[Seventyniner]

The Pacers have a 14-21 record with a payroll that’s within $2M of putting them into the luxury tax. In other words, they have a severe lack of bang for the buck.

Sabonis and Turner are both talented players, but as a tandem they aren’t working out. Thus the interest in trading one or the other, in hopes of a combination that will work better.

Good explanation, thanks. :bobo

Giving Indiana some more room under the tax would require sending out less than $18M. That would be tough for the Spurs to do because Thad + Lonnie (for example) is too much money, but getting to $15M without Thad is difficult unless Poeltl is included. I don't think the Spurs would want to send out Poeltl for Turner fwiw, but I could be wrong.

[talkspurs]

Good explanation, thanks. :bobo

Giving Indiana some more room under the tax would require sending out less than $18M. That would be tough for the Spurs to do because Thad + Lonnie (for example) is too much money, but getting to $15M without Thad is difficult unless Poeltl is included. I don't think the Spurs would want to send out Poeltl for Turner fwiw, but I could be wrong.

I have not heard anything either way but I dont know if they want to get further under the tax. I think they are just trying to get more assets for what they have. I would think they would be fine going right up to the tax if what they got back was worth it. Most teams just dont want to pay the tax. at it or a couple mil under it is kind of all the same thing. The other other thing would be getting rid of longer term contracts so they would have some flexibility to pursue another player that would be a FA. From the little I have read they are mainly looking for picks.

[DAF86]

https://twitter.com/andrewdbailey/status/1492628316150325251?s=21

A top 30 most impactful player in the league, but according ro folks like KobesAchilles and others, he's the reason we suck.

[Maddog]

A top 30 most impactful player in the league, but according ro folks like KobesAchilles and others, he's the reason we suck.

Hmm
Spurs have two in the top 30, but still sub .500
Not sure how impactful these rankings are

[Sugus]

A top 30 most impactful player in the league, but according ro folks like KobesAchilles and others, he's the reason we suck.

It's incredible how the 3pt revolution has disarrayed people's vision of the C position. It's getting ridiculous now, seems like if you're not shooting 3's you might as well not suit up. Jakob knows his work and does it extremely well... And on a steal of a contract, to boot.

[DAF86]

Hmm
Spurs have two in the top 30, but still sub .500
Not sure how impactful these rankings are

That happens when the other players aren't there just yet, or simply suck ass.

[rankingtear]

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[Ice009]

Where did Derrick White rank?

[rankingtear]

Where did Derrick White rank?

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[Ice009]

Wow, according to that list, we made a bad trade seeing where Richardson and Langford rank. Celtics got a steal if that rating system has any real legitimacy. I really don't know how legit that list is with White being ranked higher than Jalen Brown, though.

[slick'81]

Wow, according to that list, we made a bad trade seeing where Richardson and Langford rank. Celtics got a steal if that rating system has any real legitimacy. I really don't know how legit that list is with White being ranked higher than Jalen Brown, though.

player for player it's obviously a horrible trade in terms of talent

[KobesAchilles]

This was a bad time to post this after he just got abused by Vuc. Ok he’s a top 30 player in the league now. That’s where we are at. There are 26 all stars (bc of injury) and Jak was right there at being the biggest snub. We have a top 10 PG and a top 10 Center. But we are 10 games under .500. Makes sense. Everybody else sucks so that’s why we suck. The Clippers have a better record than us but nobody on their team is Top 30. The Blazers without CJ and now Dame. The Kings for most of the year. The Pelicans obviously have a superior roster than us. Same with the Knicks

Poeltl is such a winner and so valuable that he has literally never been on a winning team as a starter. Tell me I’m wrong.

[rankingtear]

This was a bad time to post this after he just got abused by Vuc. Ok he’s a top 30 player in the league now. That’s where we are at. There are 26 all stars (bc of injury) and Jak was right there at being the biggest snub. We have a top 10 PG and a top 10 Center. But we are 10 games under .500. Makes sense. Everybody else sucks so that’s why we suck. The Clippers have a better record than us but nobody on their team is Top 30. The Blazers without CJ and now Dame. The Kings for most of the year. The Pelicans obviously have a superior roster than us. Same with the Knicks

Poeltl is such a winner and so valuable that he has literally never been on a winning team as a starter. Tell me I’m wrong.

Never averaged double digit anything.

[KobesAchilles]

You cant say he's a top 10 center and then say he doesn't have enough talent around him to win. He IS the talent according to Da86. He's TOP 10 and a TOP 30 player according to some random metric. He has a higher rated player on his team in DJ. What more talent could you possibly ask for? I'm not saying championship or bust, but when the 8th seed is below .500 is it too much to ask that this amazing Top 10 center carries us to the playoffs?

Unless of course you don't think he is a Top 10 center. Unless of course being a top 10 center doesn't mean shit. Unless of course you don't think he's that good or that guy. I mean besides the Lakers who have 2 top 30 guys in the league, is there any other team that has 2 top 30 players and aren't even in the playoffs? Heck aren't even the 10tth seed?

Poeltl is average. He's an average rebounder, an average scorer, and when you put him against any big man with offensive ability he becomes an average defender. To say we don't need an upgrade at the big man is dumb.

[rankingtear]

You cant say he's a top 10 center and then say he doesn't have enough talent around him to win. He IS the talent according to Da86. He's TOP 10 and a TOP 30 player according to some random metric. He has a higher rated player on his team in DJ. What more talent could you possibly ask for? I'm not saying championship or bust, but when the 8th seed is below .500 is it too much to ask that this amazing Top 10 center carries us to the playoffs?

Unless of course you don't think he is a Top 10 center. Unless of course being a top 10 center doesn't mean shit. Unless of course you don't think he's that good or that guy. I mean besides the Lakers who have 2 top 30 guys in the league, is there any other team that has 2 top 30 players and aren't even in the playoffs? Heck aren't even the 10tth seed?

Poeltl is average. He's an average rebounder, an average scorer, and when you put him against any big man with offensive ability he becomes an average defender. To say we don't need an upgrade at the big man is dumb.

Yeah that is basically it. We have top 10 impact player on PG and C but there are a lot of top impact players on that position. There is a surplus of good PG and C so you don't really gain that much of an advantage on those two position unless they are head and shoulders above the next group of guys. That is why i am fine trading Jakob for 2 prospects and 1 pick return rumored but it looked like CHA does not want to give up the pick.

[MultiTroll]

Dunk of the Night: DeMar DeRozan (yahoo.com) (https://sports.yahoo.com/dunk-night-demar-derozan-061535765.html)

https://youtu.be/vNaxi0PgGEc
Elite rim protection. :lol

[JeffDuncan]

…
Poeltl is average. He's an average rebounder, an average scorer, and when you put him against any big man with offensive ability he becomes an average defender. …


Which is excellent, since he’s #22 in the league for what he costs. An average player on a below-average contract is a good value. It all costs $.



To say we don't need an upgrade at the big man is dumb.


But is center the position where the Spurs should look to spend a lot of money? The best centers cost 30M, and the second tier ones cost over 20M.

[MultiTroll]

But is center the position where the Spurs should look to spend a lot of money? The best centers cost 30M, and the second tier ones cost over 20M.
Concur and none of them want to come here anyways.
Should draft and/or get serviceable for lower price or jump to mid price if talent measures and fits.

I will say the Golden Phaggots look pathetic without at least a semi big with Donkey Green being out.

[Sugus]

Which is excellent, since he’s #22 in the league for what he costs. An average player on a below-average contract is a good value. It all costs $.




But is center the position where the Spurs should look to spend a lot of money? The best centers cost 30M, and the second tier ones cost over 20M.

I'll never understand the "fake-building up X player just to shit on him" shtick this board is so fond of. You hit the nail on its head... The dude makes $9m/per. Excellent value and excellent production for said value. Would I judge him the same if he made Embiid levels of money? No... And he doesn't. He's a solid player, the anchor of the Spurs' defense, a top-2 player on the team, and far from the team's biggest problems.

I've repeatedly said I'd love to have Jakob come off the bench.... In place of an Ayton-level talented C. Do you get those in FA? Not in SanAn, at least. And those kinds of C's very consistently end up going #1 or at the most, #2 in a given draft (Ayton himself, KAT, Embiid, etc). So the argument becomes, would the Spurs be wise to sink up a lot of money on the C position, on luring a FA big man to replace Jakob, when he's perfectly capable of holding the fort for the time being? No.

If the Spurs don't want to tank for it, they'll have to make do with players like Jakob, who are good but far from flawless. :lol "top this, top that" who the fuck cares? The guy is better than this board thinks and that's the dough. I hope the Spurs can put a better team around him and Dejounte soon, so we can see what they're actually made of (funny that I never see "what has Dejounte won" kinda posts here... why would that be...?).

[MannyIsGod]

People in this thread still really undervaluing Jakob. He's up to 5th on total RAPTOR on centers. He's a bit lower on WAR but not much. If you look at EPM and DARKO he's very high as well. He had a slump for a bit this season but he's back to playing extremely well for the Spurs.

[MannyIsGod]

I'll never understand the "fake-building up X player just to shit on him" shtick this board is so fond of. You hit the nail on its head... The dude makes $9m/per. Excellent value and excellent production for said value. Would I judge him the same if he made Embiid levels of money? No... And he doesn't. He's a solid player, the anchor of the Spurs' defense, a top-2 player on the team, and far from the team's biggest problems.

I've repeatedly said I'd love to have Jakob come off the bench.... In place of an Ayton-level talented C. Do you get those in FA? Not in SanAn, at least. And those kinds of C's very consistently end up going #1 or at the most, #2 in a given draft (Ayton himself, KAT, Embiid, etc). So the argument becomes, would the Spurs be wise to sink up a lot of money on the C position, on luring a FA big man to replace Jakob, when he's perfectly capable of holding the fort for the time being? No.

If the Spurs don't want to tank for it, they'll have to make do with players like Jakob, who are good but far from flawless. :lol "top this, top that" who the fuck cares? The guy is better than this board thinks and that's the dough. I hope the Spurs can put a better team around him and Dejounte soon, so we can see what they're actually made of (funny that I never see "what has Dejounte won" kinda posts here... why would that be...?).

Jakob too good to be a bench player honestly. Dude is going to get paid in a years time. I'm not sure if the Spurs should pay what he's going to command, but there's zero doubt in my mind that GMs see the value this guy adds and aren't going to let SA keep him for cheap. I think its pretty likely he gets traded in the offseason because of this, but dude is GOOD.

[KobesAchilles]

Which is excellent, since he’s #22 in the league for what he costs. An average player on a below-average contract is a good value. It all costs $.




But is center the position where the Spurs should look to spend a lot of money? The best centers cost 30M, and the second tier ones cost over 20M.
Tbh we need to spend money on any position not name PG. We are average to below average at every other position. Why not center? I never said Poeltl was our biggest problem but he is a problem. He isn't good enough to really make any type of difference for our future. Trading him makes the most sense. But people here act like he's worth a shit ton of money or a big part of our future. I'm more like Sug, I think he would be a great bench player but I don't want him as a starter

[MannyIsGod]

Tbh we need to spend money on any position not name PG. We are average to below average at every other position. Why not center? I never said Poeltl was our biggest problem but he is a problem. He isn't good enough to really make any type of difference for our future. Trading him makes the most sense. But people here act like he's worth a shit ton of money or a big part of our future. I'm more like Sug, I think he would be a great bench player but I don't want him as a starter

Jakob is too good to be a bench player. He's literally one of the best centers in the league. I'm just confused how you guys think we can upgrade the position in the near term. I'm not opposed to trading Jakob, but that almost certainly means we downgrade the position. The price to upgrade is very expensive. But if you think the Spurs can just upgrade at C and somehow not spend an incredibly amount of money (for a likely small upgrade, if that). Look at what Chicago and New Orleans spent to upgrade their positions and arguably both of them have centers that are no better than Jakob!

[John B]

I don’t get the argument that Poeltl is good because he’s cheap :lol. But he’s not going to get “cheap” in the near future, and that’s make him not good anymore because he’s no longer “cheap” :lol. GM’s are going to overpay him when that time comes. And I wish him well. Good for him. There’s a reason why there’s a talk to trade him for PJ Washington and Kai Jones. He’s “cheap” but not good enough. Don’t show me another advance metrics and top 30 list. I saw Green and White getting offensive rebounds around him. I saw we Spurs got outrebounded 53-33. Yes, that’s on the team but mostly on Poeltl

[The Truth #6]

He’s an excellent role player and who plays off the ball and doesn’t cry for the ball. And he’s affordable. That’s awesome. We need a massive upgrade in our two forward positions with scoring and rebounding.

[KobesAchilles]

Jakob is too good to be a bench player. He's literally one of the best centers in the league. I'm just confused how you guys think we can upgrade the position in the near term. I'm not opposed to trading Jakob, but that almost certainly means we downgrade the position. The price to upgrade is very expensive. But if you think the Spurs can just upgrade at C and somehow not spend an incredibly amount of money (for a likely small upgrade, if that). Look at what Chicago and New Orleans spent to upgrade their positions and arguably both of them have centers that are no better than Jakob!
He's literally NOT one of the best centers in the league. This shit has to stop. If he was a top guy we wouldn't be a losing team. You just aren't a loser when you have two top players at a position on your team. Unless there are injuries of course. Vuc just destroyed Jak. Would've been nice to have a guy step up and give you 25 and 16 when your best player is out with an injury like Vuc did

[Sugus]

He's literally NOT one of the best centers in the league. This shit has to stop. If he was a top guy we wouldn't be a losing team. You just aren't a loser when you have two top players at a position on your team. Unless there are injuries of course. Vuc just destroyed Jak. Would've been nice to have a guy step up and give you 25 and 16 when your best player is out with an injury like Vuc did

There's a lot of oversimplification in your comments, and it's clearly lending to the confusion here.

First, you absolutely can have a "top guy" on a losing team, look no further than last years' Warriors (or was it the year before? I don't remember), when Curry was hard-carrying the team and didn't even make the POs. Direct counter to your argument, and it's happened many times before. Second, "top guy" is such a nebulous term... Same as "top players at a position". I'm assuming you mean DJ too - but does he really qualify as "top player" though? He's an AS and I'm very happy for him and his potential ofc, but right now, I'm taking CP3 every time if I want to make a playoff push. Morant too, and etcetera.

Just how far on the totem pole do you have to be before you're expected to carry a team? It's nebulous and arbitrary - and made worse by the fact that there's offensive and defensive minded players, both with their pros and cons. Draymond is the perfect example - absolutely not a floor raiser and pretty useless without someone being "the guy", BUT perfectly able to elevate that guy's and his own game in the right situation, and be a tremendously valuable piece to actual winning teams. Why can't Jakob be like that? Why can't the offensive production come primarily from the other 4 players on the team? There's not a single, be-all approach to teambuilding, either - and it's not even like Jakob is a Ben Simmons, 0 points case. He's gotten better on offense. He'll never be Ayton-level nor close (hence my previous point) but he's not a negative, quite the opposite. He makes the game easier for those around him... And, of course, if those around him aren't very good to begin with, it's not going to be a very good game.

I'll get to your other comment soon, gotta work now.

[Sugus]

Tbh we need to spend money on any position not name PG. We are average to below average at every other position. Why not center? I never said Poeltl was our biggest problem but he is a problem. He isn't good enough to really make any type of difference for our future. Trading him makes the most sense. But people here act like he's worth a shit ton of money or a big part of our future. I'm more like Sug, I think he would be a great bench player but I don't want him as a starter

Whew, I had some more time after all.

The place where we disagree here is that I perfectly think Jakob can work as a starter, on numerous teams. Place him on the Celtics (well, back when the Celts weren't fucked anyways) to clean up Tatum and Brown's misses, and he's suddenly a great help. Place him on the Dubs to set screens for Curry, and all of a sudden he's great too.... The Spurs simply don't have the talent around him to elevate. He's never going to be an offensive hub, but I question the narrative that he has to be. Not every NBA starter has to put up 20ppg for the team to succeed, does it?

We're set at the PG position pretty much, and could be set at C too, if we filled out the other 3 positions correctly. I'm not really too high on Vassell, definitely not sold on Keldon as a starter/PF, Primo's TBD. Not a lot else there, especially with White gone. Hence my argument - keep Poeltl while he's nice and cheap, and after you've plugged the other holes with talent, see where you're at. There's no hurry - and I laugh at all these "Jakob gonna request MAD MONEY next contract!!" takes - at all, we're tanking anyways.

Now, if you were to tell me we could sell high on Jakob to a contender for good assets, I'd be willing to listen, but I haven't heard a trade idea yet that really satisfies me. And since Jak, as you say, is nowhere near the top of the Spurs' problems - why fix something that ain't broken? He's good, it's not complicated.

[KobesAchilles]

There's a lot of oversimplification in your comments, and it's clearly lending to the confusion here.

First, you absolutely can have a "top guy" on a losing team, look no further than last years' Warriors (or was it the year before? I don't remember), when Curry was hard-carrying the team and didn't even make the POs. Direct counter to your argument, and it's happened many times before. Second, "top guy" is such a nebulous term... Same as "top players at a position". I'm assuming you mean DJ too - but does he really qualify as "top player" though? He's an AS and I'm very happy for him and his potential ofc, but right now, I'm taking CP3 every time if I want to make a playoff push. Morant too, and etcetera.

Just how far on the totem pole do you have to be before you're expected to carry a team? It's nebulous and arbitrary - and made worse by the fact that there's offensive and defensive minded players, both with their pros and cons. Draymond is the perfect example - absolutely not a floor raiser and pretty useless without someone being "the guy", BUT perfectly able to elevate that guy's and his own game in the right situation, and be a tremendously valuable piece to actual winning teams. Why can't Jakob be like that? Why can't the offensive production come primarily from the other 4 players on the team? There's not a single, be-all approach to teambuilding, either - and it's not even like Jakob is a Ben Simmons, 0 points case. He's gotten better on offense. He'll never be Ayton-level nor close (hence my previous point) but he's not a negative, quite the opposite. He makes the game easier for those around him... And, of course, if those around him aren't very good to begin with, it's not going to be a very good game.

I'll get to your other comment soon, gotta work now.
Good luck at work but I clearly said if you have TWO top guys at a position. DJ I would say is 5th or 6th. Somehow people have chucker Lillard and team killer Kyrie over him. Idk why.

Poeltl isn’t a top center and even if he were there is a big drop off from the top of centers to the 10th best center. Being the 10th best center doesn’t mean shit. Being the 10th best big man does. But if Poeltl is literally the 30th best player in the league then we shouldn’t have a losing record for any reason short of injury which we didn’t really have.

Draymond is a great example of an overrated player. He isn’t a top player at his position and that’s why when scurry was balling they were losing. He was playing with scrubs. Also Green can dribble the ball and create for others much better than Poeltl. He also plays with the 2 greatest shooters of all time and that offsets his offensive liability.

[BackHome]

I am not a Poodle fan but I give him credit he has been playing pretty good and he is definitely not my first or second concern regarding our rebuild. As some have said I am first looking at getting better talent at the SG, SF, and PF as I am not yet sold on any one being a legit starter going forward. Things can change but as I said if the best player is a SG when we use our first pick you take that player and iron out things latter.

Now I am not married to Poodle if the right trade comes along I would be all in but it has to be a good trade for us I am not giving him for crap. Also one thing I learned is that bigs take awhile to adapt to NBA which is why I would use one of our 3 picks and get Kessler as he is a Shot Blocking Rebounding Machine who has a little offense to his game. Let him learn from Poodle and if we can’t sign him or do end up trading him we have our center ready and waiting

[MannyIsGod]

Good luck at work but I clearly said if you have TWO top guys at a position. DJ I would say is 5th or 6th. Somehow people have chucker Lillard and team killer Kyrie over him. Idk why.

Poeltl isn’t a top center and even if he were there is a big drop off from the top of centers to the 10th best center. Being the 10th best center doesn’t mean shit. Being the 10th best big man does. But if Poeltl is literally the 30th best player in the league then we shouldn’t have a losing record for any reason short of injury which we didn’t really have.

Draymond is a great example of an overrated player. He isn’t a top player at his position and that’s why when scurry was balling they were losing. He was playing with scrubs. Also Green can dribble the ball and create for others much better than Poeltl. He also plays with the 2 greatest shooters of all time and that offsets his offensive liability.

But you're missing the point and still haven't answered the question, where are you going to get this alleged cheap upgrade? Have you not seen what paying more for a center gets you? Not very much unless you land Jokic or Embid. I'd Say a guy like Allen is a step up from Jakob, but that's a 20 million dollar a year player. And where are the Spurs going to find that player? Not in free agency and if they have to give up the trade prices that teams like Chicago and Memphis just paid then is that what you really want?

The Spurs should 100% be trying to draft a good big this next season, but they should not be trying to upgrade on Jakob this offseason.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/center/

Look at that list and no one on there is worth going after as an upgrade to Jakob except Ayton. And honestly, I don't want to be the team that gives Ayton the max because I'm not sold he's worth it.

I don't think Jakob is going to lead a team deep into the playoffs. But as I've said every time this topic is rehashed, there are a handful of centers who will, and none are attainable. We can't get Jokic, we can't get Embid, and we probably can't even get a guy like Karl Anthony Towns. On the other hand, we probably CAN get forwards or big guards who will move the needle more than a center will for the same price. THOSE positions should be the focus of improvement.

I'm OK with drafting a center with a very high pick and I'm OK with trading Jakob for assets knowing that we can get a cheap center to fill in (as a downgrade, but still serviceable, but paying big money on the free agent market or trade markets for a position that is ALWAYS getting overpaid is really dumb when we already have a good center on the roster.

[MannyIsGod]

The Carter/Vucevic trade is the perfect example of a trade the Spurs should in no one way think about doing and its almost the exact way you "upgrade" on Jakob. Would Chicago be any worse if they had Carter instead of Vucevic right now? I don't think so.

[Chinook]

Wow, according to that list, we made a bad trade seeing where Richardson and Langford rank. Celtics got a steal if that rating system has any real legitimacy. I really don't know how legit that list is with White being ranked higher than Jalen Brown, though.

The rating system doesn't have any legitimacy. It basically uses a bunch of random stats that are updated consistently and leaves out ones like RAPM that take time to come out for a reason. In premise, it's not that bad, because getting stats that all measure different things and incorporating them might give a more holistic view than using any of them by themselves. With more thought and tweaking, a viable system might come from it. But as I said before, advanced stats are opinions what data gets incorporated and in what proportion is a value judgement made by the creators. Not only does this ranking missing on stats like RAPM and basic on-off remove some prominent measuring factors, but by not weighing any of the stats, it claims the stats are all roughly equal. I don't think some shit like game score has any business rating the same as RAPTOR. I also don't think having both rate versions and cumulative versions in the same ranking helps.

Ideally, you get 10 good stats that are adjusted for minutes/possessions/whatever and weigh them appropriately to get a number, and then separately, you get 10 more stats that are cumulative and do the same thing. Then you report both numbers as different versions of the same ranking. Both stats can be useful, but they're from different contexts and shouldn't be mixed.

I'm not saying that to discredit any particular ranking. I'm just saying that Twitter lets people put out relatively thoughtless stats that can be confused for rigorous calculations. I've talked about it in the context of TPA before. I find them interesting, but I think they should be thought of more for fun/conversation than as something that should inform roster building.

[Seventyniner]

I'd much rather them use the median of the 10 different stats than the average.

[XDT76]

I'll never understand the "fake-building up X player just to shit on him" shtick this board is so fond of. You hit the nail on its head... The dude makes $9m/per. Excellent value and excellent production for said value. Would I judge him the same if he made Embiid levels of money? No... And he doesn't. He's a solid player, the anchor of the Spurs' defense, a top-2 player on the team, and far from the team's biggest problems.

I've repeatedly said I'd love to have Jakob come off the bench.... In place of an Ayton-level talented C. Do you get those in FA? Not in SanAn, at least. And those kinds of C's very consistently end up going #1 or at the most, #2 in a given draft (Ayton himself, KAT, Embiid, etc). So the argument becomes, would the Spurs be wise to sink up a lot of money on the C position, on luring a FA big man to replace Jakob, when he's perfectly capable of holding the fort for the time being? No.

If the Spurs don't want to tank for it, they'll have to make do with players like Jakob, who are good but far from flawless. :lol "top this, top that" who the fuck cares? The guy is better than this board thinks and that's the dough. I hope the Spurs can put a better team around him and Dejounte soon, so we can see what they're actually made of (funny that I never see "what has Dejounte won" kinda posts here... why would that be...?).


I really agree with the first sentence which happens to DW, KJ, DV and now seems to be happening to JP.

[MultiTroll]

ago and Memphis just paid then is that what you really want?

The Spurs should 100% be trying to draft a good big this next season,

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/center/

I don't think Jakob is going to lead a team deep into the playoffs. But as I've said every time this topic is rehashed, there are a handful of centers who will, and none are attainable. We can't get Jokic, we can't get Embid, and we probably can't even get a guy like Karl Anthony Towns. On the other hand, we probably CAN get forwards or big guards who will move the needle more than a center will for the same price. THOSE positions should be the focus of improvement.

I'm OK with drafting a center with a very high pick and I'm OK with trading Jakob for assets knowing that we can get a cheap center to fill in (as a downgrade, but still serviceable, but paying big money on the free agent market or trade markets for a position that is ALWAYS getting overpaid is really dumb when we already have a good center on the roster.
Manny is making sense.

And he can tell you what a RAPTOR but not a Toronto Raptor is.

I'm not a poodle hater either, however is his arc for salary / talent / age ever going to be better then the rest of this season and the next?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Carter/Vucevic trade is the perfect example of a trade the Spurs should in no one way think about doing and its almost the exact way you "upgrade" on Jakob. Would Chicago be any worse if they had Carter instead of Vucevic right now? I don't think so.

I like Poeltl a lot, but if you can upgrade, now is the time to do so.

I think the Spurs FO recognizes that, too, since they were attempting to work a deal at the deal to move him last week.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Poeltl is playing along side Keldon Johnson. He has no help in the paint whatsoever and theres a clear drop off when he goes to the bench. If we can get an actual athletic PF who can stretch the floor things will be much better. He has to improve on his FT 47% which is ridiculous but there isn't many possible upgrades at the center position right now. Jakob is who he is, he's a finesse player that's why it's important for him to be paired up with an athletic PF not 6'5 stubby KJ. Center isn't even 1 or 2 in terms of position upgrade for me, its a legit 6'7 SF and a PF imo.

[John B]

I like Poeltl a lot, but if you can upgrade, now is the time to do so.

I think the Spurs FO recognizes that, too, since they were attempting to work a deal at the deal to move him last week.

For sure and I would’ve like that PJ Washington and Kai Jones trade. It addresses both PF and Big Man positions, but not to stop there but in the draft and FA come off-season. I like Poeltl coming along, but he’s not going to be the answer going forward unless he miraculously shoots high FT’s. But not only his offense, but his on-man defense is bad, over helping too early, and he’s just going to get pricey. It’s better to s&t him to a team who wants him and get something instead of letting him walk. Because I don’t see the PATFO staying pat on him tbh.

[scott]

Jak is a good, defensive, cheap role playing C. There are a lot of ways to downgrade this position and few ways to upgrade it. Those few ways require luck, or resources, and come at a cost - that’s what makes upgrading Jak less of a priority.

The problem with Jak is that one of his greatest assets will diminish in another year - his relative cheapness that frees up more resources to build around him. Would anyone be surprised if he landed an $18m+ deal? I wouldn’t.

That’s why we should look to move him this summer, he doesn’t fit the timeline.

[RC_Drunkford]

For sure and I would’ve like that PJ Washington and Kai Jones trade. It addresses both PF and Big Man positions, but not to stop there but in the draft and FA come off-season. I like Poeltl coming along, but he’s not going to be the answer going forward unless he miraculously shoots high FT’s. But not only his offense, but his on-man defense is bad, over helping too early, and he’s just going to get pricey. It’s better to s&t him to a team who wants him and get something instead of letting him walk. Because I don’t see the PATFO staying pat on him tbh.


you do that trade and have a hole at Center while starting a mediocre PF in PJ Washington. Kai Jones is a G-Leaguer right now. I much rather draft some PFs in this draft, since that's the deepest position in it.

[Spursfanfromafar]

How Jakob Poeltl has improved this season to be a two- way player - Zach Lowe -

https://www.espn.in/nba/insider/story/_/id/33314354/zach-lowe-10-nba-things-celtics-incredible-surge-elite-acting-two-kentucky-wildcats-quiet-kyrie-irving-development

Lowe - "Poeltl might be having the most under-the-radar really good season in the league: 13 points, 9 boards, and 3 dimes per game, and the usual airtight defense. A year ago, he was great on defense and maybe a liability on offense against the best teams. Now he's a two-way player. He's daring more of his funky push shots, from longer distances, and has hit a tidy 47% on floaters -- matching his (very bad) free throw percentage. The Spurs are plus-5 per 100 possessions with Poeltl on the floor, and minus-4 when he sits. (They are plus-21 in the 327 minutes Poeltl has played without Dejounte Murray (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray).)"

[Spursfanfromafar]

Poeltl is playing along side Keldon Johnson. He has no help in the paint whatsoever and theres a clear drop off when he goes to the bench. If we can get an actual athletic PF who can stretch the floor things will be much better. He has to improve on his FT 47% which is ridiculous but there isn't many possible upgrades at the center position right now. Jakob is who he is, he's a finesse player that's why it's important for him to be paired up with an athletic PF not 6'5 stubby KJ. Center isn't even 1 or 2 in terms of position upgrade for me, its a legit 6'7 SF and a PF imo.

If the Spurs get very lucky, they can get one of Jalen Smith, Paolo Banchero and perhaps even Chet Holmgren to pair Poeltl. If they are somewhat lucky, maybe Keegan Murray could be had and plugged in to the 4 right away too.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

How Jakob Poeltl has improved this season to be a two- way player - Zach Lowe -

https://www.espn.in/nba/insider/story/_/id/33314354/zach-lowe-10-nba-things-celtics-incredible-surge-elite-acting-two-kentucky-wildcats-quiet-kyrie-irving-development

Lowe - "Poeltl might be having the most under-the-radar really good season in the league: 13 points, 9 boards, and 3 dimes per game, and the usual airtight defense. A year ago, he was great on defense and maybe a liability on offense against the best teams. Now he's a two-way player. He's daring more of his funky push shots, from longer distances, and has hit a tidy 47% on floaters -- matching his (very bad) free throw percentage. The Spurs are plus-5 per 100 possessions with Poeltl on the floor, and minus-4 when he sits. (They are plus-21 in the 327 minutes Poeltl has played without Dejounte Murray (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray).)"

It's obvious we have a huge drop off defensively when Poeltl sits. If he gets traded that becomes a giant hole to fill. That recent game against the short-handed Warriors was a great example. We're in control, Kuminga hits Poeltl in the face, he goes out of the game, suddenly it's a free-for-all for the Warriors either driving the lane and either finishing, or kicking it out to open shooters, and we lose.

I'd only want to move Jakob if there's a pretty nice haul that we're getting back....and, we have to have the defense figured out. Landale and Collins are no where close to Poeltl when it comes to their ability to defend the lane.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Every successful championship caliber team has that key blue-collar player that does the dirty work. Poeltl's the only hard-hat guy we have.

[Chinook]

People keep trying to use Poeltl to 80/20 star centers and ignore that the same principle works on him. He's a very solid player. I think the Spurs can win with him as their starting center. BUT the Spurs can definitely find a competent center making less money, or find one making the same or even more money when the time comes to try to win a title. How many contenders have better centers than Poeltl? You can argue that none of them do, since the clearly superior fives are on dark horses at best. If that's true, then the actual standard for a contending center is lower than what the Spurs have. It's the "every other position" where the Spurs are behind. That doesn't mean to dump Poeltl for nothing or not re-sign him unless he gets paid nothing. Blah, blah chemistry and all the other stuff I've said. It does mean that losing Poeltl doesn't really set the Spurs back as much as it just adds something to the list the Spurs will have to get to maximize their title hopes.

Also, his contract means nothing. It's a reason to trade him (easier to match salary for teams that need his presence to boost their title chances) rather than it is to keep him.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's obvious we have a huge drop off defensively when Poeltl sits. If he gets traded that becomes a giant hole to fill. That recent game against the short-handed Warriors was a great example. We're in control, Kuminga hits Poeltl in the face, he goes out of the game, suddenly it's a free-for-all for the Warriors either driving the lane and either finishing, or kicking it out to open shooters, and we lose.

I'd only want to move Jakob if there's a pretty nice haul that we're getting back....and, we have to have the defense figured out. Landale and Collins are no where close to Poeltl when it comes to their ability to defend the lane.

Yes indeed, Chopper. I think the Spurs should build around Murray, Poeltl, Johnson, Vassell and Primo. If Collins pans out, that's gravy. The 2022 draft will be crucial.

[exstatic]

Wow, according to that list, we made a bad trade seeing where Richardson and Langford rank. Celtics got a steal if that rating system has any real legitimacy. I really don't know how legit that list is with White being ranked higher than Jalen Brown, though.

The Boston trade wasn’t for the players. Salary has to come back, and not only the amounts have to match, but the length of the contract can kill a deal. The first round pick and the pick swap. That’s why the deal was done.

[talkspurs]

The Boston trade wasn’t for the players. Salary has to come back, and not only the amounts have to match, but the length of the contract can kill a deal. The first round pick and the pick swap. That’s why the deal was done.

I think players in this deal were import as I think I saw the Spurs were wanting a young player and a pick. Richardson is not young but is not much older then white. I dont think he was what they were after but if he replaces him then they got a pick for almost nothing. They may also like Romeo. he would be a young player that they feel they could get more out of. I would say Romeo would more suit the young player and a pick.

If all they saw as this was white for a low 1st and a possible pick swap that is a low value deal. Yes i do realize some trades the pick or even sometimes getting out of a contract is less important then the players coming back but in this trade I think they also believe the players have value.

[exstatic]

I don’t get the argument that Poeltl is good because he’s cheap :lol. But he’s not going to get “cheap” in the near future, and that’s make him not good anymore because he’s no longer “cheap” :lol. GM’s are going to overpay him when that time comes. And I wish him well. Good for him. There’s a reason why there’s a talk to trade him for PJ Washington and Kai Jones. He’s “cheap” but not good enough. Don’t show me another advance metrics and top 30 list. I saw Green and White getting offensive rebounds around him. I saw we Spurs got outrebounded 53-33. Yes, that’s on the team but mostly on Poeltl

He’s not good because he’s cheap, he’s good AND cheap, and that’s not a situation that’s going to last, so the possible trades would be to extract value while we can.

If you want to remain a casual, trapped in the world of counting stats because you either choose to ignore, or are incapable of understanding advanced stats, that’s your prerogative, but you’ll have to sit at the kiddie table while the grownups talk.

[wildbill2u]

If you have to upgrade one position on the starting 5, you need to replace Keldon Johnson. Can't defend or rebound at the level of an average starter in the NBA. Not a smart player. Solid Bench player at most.

[John B]

He’s not good because he’s cheap, he’s good AND cheap, and that’s not a situation that’s going to last, so the possible trades would be to extract value while we can.

If you want to remain a casual, trapped in the world of counting stats because you either choose to ignore, or are incapable of understanding advanced stats, that’s your prerogative, but you’ll have to sit at the kiddie table while the grownups talk.

My views are of a fan. I leave the advanced metrics to you. I’ve watched DRob and Timmy anchored the defense for almost 30 years. That’s what Spurs was all about - Defense. So when I watch casual bigs (not even bigs sometimes) do ally ops party on the Spurs, and advanced analytics says Poeltl is a top 10 center? :bang Poeltl can’t even hold Malik’s’ jocks.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think players in this deal were import as I think I saw the Spurs were wanting a young player and a pick. Richardson is not young but is not much older then white. I dont think he was what they were after but if he replaces him then they got a pick for almost nothing. They may also like Romeo. he would be a young player that they feel they could get more out of. I would say Romeo would more suit the young player and a pick.

If all they saw as this was white for a low 1st and a possible pick swap that is a low value deal. Yes i do realize some trades the pick or even sometimes getting out of a contract is less important then the players coming back but in this trade I think they also believe the players have value.

the Spurs were clearly trying to add a better 3-point shooter at SG as they were also discussing a Bogdanovic deal with Atlanta. They were interested in J-Rich in the 2020 offseason. They clearly thought that by adding that type of player they don't lose any on court productivity by giving up White while also getting a young player, a pick and a swap. That's why it's a good deal

[rankingtear]

My views are of a fan. I leave the advanced metrics to you. I’ve watched DRob and Timmy anchored the defense for almost 30 years. That’s what Spurs was all about - Defense. So when I watch casual bigs (not even bigs sometimes) do ally ops party on the Spurs, and advanced analytics says Poeltl is a top 10 center? :bang Poeltl can’t even hold Malik’s’ jocks.

They run a shit ton of pick and rolls now. Keep up.

[John B]

They run a shit ton of pick and rolls now. Keep up.

The Stockton/Malone, Nash/Stoudamire, CP3/Jordan/Griffin, Bibby/Jason Williams/Divac/C-Webb, Kevin Johnson/Barkeley, Dennis Johnson/McHale/Parish, Isiah/Laimbeer, etc. Dude, the pick and roll must be the oldest play in the book. Are you trying to make a point? :lmao

[rankingtear]

The Stockton/Malone, Nash/Stoudamire, CP3/Jordan/Griffin, Bibby/Jason Williams/Divac/C-Webb, Kevin Johnson/Barkeley, Dennis Johnson/McHale/Parish, Isiah/Laimbeer, etc. Dude, the pick and roll must be the oldest play in the book. Are you trying to make a point? :lmao
A shit ton now.

[DAF86]

My views are of a fan. I leave the advanced metrics to you. I’ve watched DRob and Timmy anchored the defense for almost 30 years. That’s what Spurs was all about - Defense. So when I watch casual bigs (not even bigs sometimes) do ally ops party on the Spurs, and advanced analytics says Poeltl is a top 10 center? :bang Poeltl can’t even hold Malik’s’ jocks.

Not only Poeltl is a top 10 center, he's an elite defensive one. So, yeah, you bitching about his defense of all things, tells me that you should start paying more attention to advanced stats.

[John B]

Not only Poeltl is a top 10 center, he's an elite defensive one. So, yeah, you bitching about his defense of all things, tells me that you should start paying more attention to advanced stats.

Poodle?.. a top 10 center? :lmao:lmao:lmao

[DAF86]

Poodle?.. a top 10 center? :lmao:lmao:lmao

Yeah, the metrics show it. Even without them, tell me 10 centers better off the top of your head.

[John B]

Yeah, the metrics show it. Even without them, tell me 10 centers better off the top of your head.

To humor you:
Jokic
Embiid
Ayton
K-Town
Gobert
Jarrett Allen
Vucevic
Adebayo
Valanciunas
Capela

Was that too quick for you?

[Ignazzz]

Ben Simmons on C too ;-)
btw Mo Bamba over Capela

[KingKev]

Ben Simmons on C too ;-)
btw Mo Bamba over Capela

Mo Bamba should be a target for this summer. Shaq had some comments about him on the Saturday night AS weekend telecast saying he he has all the tools to be a great big.

I bet Mo Bamba at 4yr 80mm gets it done.

[rankingtear]

Mo Bamba should be a target for this summer. Shaq had some comments about him on the Saturday night AS weekend telecast saying he he has all the tools to be a great big.

I bet Mo Bamba at 4yr 80mm gets it done.

Doubt he gets that, look at his monthly splits.

[KingKev]

Doubt he gets that, look at his monthly splits.

Orlando has to make a tough decision on him as they are flush with bigs and probably have a top 3 pick looming so possibly adding Chet, Banchero or Smith. With that being said they have a ton of cap so makes little sense to lose him for nothing which makes me think they are matching 4yr 60-70mm and will move him after.

Bamba still has alot of upside from my perspective with the ability to stretch the floor and be your defensive anchor.

[John B]

Orlando has to make a tough decision on him as they are flush with bigs and probably have a top 3 pick looming so possibly adding Chet, Banchero or Smith. With that being said they have a ton of cap so makes little sense to lose him for nothing which makes me think they are matching 4yr 60-70mm and will move him after.

Bamba still has alot of upside from my perspective with the ability to stretch the floor and be your defensive anchor.

I would love for Mo Bamba to be Spurs’ defensive anchor.

[CGD]

Orlando has to make a tough decision on him as they are flush with bigs and probably have a top 3 pick looming so possibly adding Chet, Banchero or Smith. With that being said they have a ton of cap so makes little sense to lose him for nothing which makes me think they are matching 4yr 60-70mm and will move him after.

Bamba still has alot of upside from my perspective with the ability to stretch the floor and be your defensive anchor.

Sign and trade him, send Richardson/Romeo out to match salaries.

[KingKev]

I would love for Mo Bamba to be Spurs’ defensive anchor.

We are going to have to pay Jak 15mm or more come 2023. If we can get something for Jak this summer and add Mo Bamba for 15-20mm a year I’d be thrilled.

[John B]

We are going to have to pay Jak 15mm or more come 2023. If we can get something for Jak this summer and add Mo Bamba for 15-20mm a year I’d be thrilled.

I think Bamba has Gobert defensive upside, with the 3pts. And yes, other GM’s would overpay Poeltl. He should’ve been moved already with the tanking season. I think PATFO tried.

[rankingtear]

I think you guys are way off on Mo. His numbers are not good and he turns into a potato without WCJ next to him. Even ORL fans don't want him back, they are saying he can't guard anybody. Best guess a 5 mil 1 + 1 contract next year.

[objective]

If the Jazz disappoint again in the playoffs, the rift between Mitchell and Gobert could explode. Instead of buckling to pressure to trade Mitchell, they could move on from Gobert and a lopsided trade for Poeltl and some of the Spurs cap space could be the best way for them to maintain what they have.

Don't really want to pay Rudy Max money, but I suppose a frequent defense from Jazz fans is that there isn't enough good perimeter defense with him. Dejounte and Vassell are a good start, but McDermott and keldon kind of blow that up.

Eh, just throwing stuff against the wall

[MannyIsGod]

We are going to have to pay Jak 15mm or more come 2023. If we can get something for Jak this summer and add Mo Bamba for 15-20mm a year I’d be thrilled.

You want to pay bamba 15 million a year?

[MannyIsGod]

Wanting to move Jakob, but wanting to pay 15-20m per year for Bamba is a hell of a take.

[rankingtear]

Wanting to move Jakob, but wanting to pay 15-20m per year for Bamba is a hell of a take.

Kinda nutz tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

Bamba is not without upside and he has some value now, but if you're asking me to choose between Jakob and Bamba at 15m per I'm going to choose Jakob every single time. If the Spurs want to gamble on a player with upside, they shouldn't be doing it at 20 million per.

[Kevin]

Bamba's plus minus has been negative every month this season. It been double digits negative three times. Granted he plays on a bad team but even so.

Bamba kinda reminds me of Lonnie Walker. He's had flashes but let someone else pay him.

[RC_Drunkford]

Wanting to move Jakob, but wanting to pay 15-20m per year for Bamba is a hell of a take.

pure idiocy

[B1gduff]

Man, people really wanting to pay Mo 15 mil, while there's a much better player and center on the team that could be re-signed at a similar price.

[KingKev]

Wanting to move Jakob, but wanting to pay 15-20m per year for Bamba is a hell of a take.

In my eyes I like the idea of getting solid return for Jak AND the upside of a player like Bamba at what will probably amount to the same price.

The Spurs could very easily trade Jak this offseason AND sign him in 2023 when we will in all likelihood have the cap space.

[DAF86]

To humor you:
Jokic
Embiid
Ayton
K-Town
Gobert
Jarrett Allen
Vucevic
Adebayo
Valanciunas
Capela

Was that too quick for you?

Valenciunas and Capela :lmao

Thanks for proving my point.

[Drom John]

Raptor WAR, minimum 815 minutes (their default)

1) 15.7 Nikola Jokic
2) 7.9 Joel Embiid
3) 7.2 Rudy Gobert
4) 5.8 Jarrett Allen, Domantas Sobonis
6) 5.4 Jakob Poeltl
7) 4.3 Kevin Love, Jonas Valanciunas
9) 4.2 Josep Nurkic
10) 4.1 Mitchell Robinson

50) -0.5 Mo Bamba, Chimezie Metu

[Maddog]

Raptor WAR, minimum 815 minutes (their default)

1) 15.7 Nikola Jokic
2) 7.9 Joel Embiid
3) 7.2 Rudy Gobert
4) 5.8 Jarrett Allen, Domantas Sobonis
6) 5.4 Jakob Poeltl
7) 4.3 Kevin Love, Jonas Valanciunas
9) 4.2 Josep Nurkic
10) 4.1 Mitchell Robinson

50) -0.5 Mo Bamba, Chimezie Metu

Those are just stats cherry picked. Not based on actually watching the game.

All you have to do is watch a game or two and you realize Chimezie Metu is really......................not that good

[KingKev]

Raptor WAR, minimum 815 minutes (their default)

1) 15.7 Nikola Jokic
2) 7.9 Joel Embiid
3) 7.2 Rudy Gobert
4) 5.8 Jarrett Allen, Domantas Sobonis
6) 5.4 Jakob Poeltl
7) 4.3 Kevin Love, Jonas Valanciunas
9) 4.2 Josep Nurkic
10) 4.1 Mitchell Robinson

50) -0.5 Mo Bamba, Chimezie Metu

I’m sure DDR was horrible last year and I suspect this year he is pretty highly
rated with the exact same statistic but in a different environment.

Remember where Mo Bamba is playing…

Advanced analytics are only a tool in the tool shed gents.

[TD 21]

Yeah, the metrics show it. Even without them, tell me 10 centers better off the top of your head.



Inarguably better: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Gobert, Towns, Adebayo, Ayton, Allen, Sabonis

Arguably better: Vucevic, Porzingis, Capela, Turner, Valanciunas, Horford, Williams, Wood, Jackson Jr., Mobley

Yes, some are hybrid bigs who can play next to another specific type of ones in certain matchups and while the metrics indicate Poeltl is clearly more impactful, their more versatile skillsets are more coveted and they're mostly younger, with a perceived higher ceiling.



Mo Bamba should be a target for this summer. Shaq had some comments about him on the Saturday night AS weekend telecast saying he he has all the tools to be a great big.

I bet Mo Bamba at 4yr 80mm gets it done.

:lmao Williams, Carter Jr., Holmes and Gafford, all higher impact players, have recently extended or re-signed for significantly less (as an aside, Poeltl probably costs between their range and the recently extended range of Capela, Allen, Adams, Valanciunas).

There's not a chance Bamba sniffs this. Even if a cap space team with a gaping hole at center, like the Pistons or Thunder, is interested, it still won't get to this point. Not with the Magic already committed to Isaac, Carter Jr., Wagner (more of a four) and in good position to draft one of the "big 3".

[Dejounte]

You don’t trade Poeltl for another role player who you expect will get paid equal to or more than Poeltl’s future contract. That’s just stupid.

you trade him for a cheaper version of himself or a decent draft pick / center prospect with star upside.

[KingKev]

Yes, some are hybrid bigs who can play next to another specific type of ones in certain matchups and while the metrics indicate Poeltl is clearly more impactful, their more versatile skillsets are more coveted and they're mostly younger, with a perceived higher ceiling.




:lmao Williams, Carter Jr., Holmes and Gafford, all higher impact players, have recently extended or re-signed for significantly less (as an aside, Poeltl probably costs between their range and the recently extended range of Capela, Allen, Adams, Valanciunas).

There's not a chance Bamba sniffs this. Even if a cap space team with a gaping hole at center, like the Pistons or Thunder, is interested, it still won't get to this point. Not with the Magic already committed to Isaac, Carter Jr., Wagner (more of a four) and in good position to draft one of the "big 3".

Jak will get 15mm if not from us, from someone else. I agree the Magic are heavily invested in their frontline already so Mo Bamba is unlikely to be part of their future but he has a very appealing skillset that few current top 5s posses. They have a crazy amount of cap that is going to be hard to allocate. Mo Bamba is getting matched regardless of their need for him but only up to a certain figure. Comparisons to our situation with Walker just aren’t warranted.

We are all arm chair quarterbacks on here but ppl need to remember foresight is important. If your advanced analytics and impact stats were so important there is no need for strategy or having a view. You just plug it into a computer and voila. As someone who has worked as a trader for a hedge fund and a bulge bracket investment bank, grinding 12 hours a day, behind 6 Bloomberg screens trading interest rate and fx derivatives I’m pretty confident there is more to strategy and winning than simple analytics.

[KingKev]

You don’t trade Poeltl for another role player who you expect will get paid equal to or more than Poeltl’s future contract. That’s just stupid.

you trade him for a cheaper version of himself or a decent draft pick / center prospect with star upside.

Agreed. I’d be willing to trade him for some young assets knowing a big part of his worth is his CURRENT contract. He is a solid big man on a discount contract. Jak at market value is meh for this organization. If I think I can replace him in free agency, for similar value while harvesting a gain on him I’m going to do it.

Similar to how we traded White. White was replaceable, we harvested value in our drafting/development and his relative value as a solid player on a great contract.

If we were close to playoff competitiveness am I moving either Jak or White? Most likely not.

[Dejounte]

I’d be willing to trade him for some young assets knowing a bug part of his worth is his CURRENT contract. He is a solid big man on a discount contract. Jak at market value is meh for this organization. If I think I can replace him in free agency, for similar value while harvesting a gain on him I’m going to do it.

Similar to how we traded White. White was replaceable, we harvested value in our drafting/development and his relative value as a solid player on a great contract.

If we were close to playoff competitiveness am I moving either Jak or White? Most likely not.

I understand now, I thought you meant you would trade Jak for Bamba. I don’t mind finding a White-trade package for Poeltl, but paying Bamba that much is worse than how you feel about how much we pay McDermott. That’s a terrible deal.

[TD 21]

We are all arm chair quarterbacks on here but ppl need to remember foresight is important. If your advanced analytics and impact stats were so important there is no need for strategy or having a view. You just plug it into a computer and voila. As someone who has worked as a trader for a hedge fund and a bulge bracket investment bank, grinding 12 hours a day, behind 6 Bloomberg screens trading interest rate and fx derivatives I’m pretty confident there is more to strategy and winning than simple analytics.

It's funny how I never hear people who utilize and comprehend analytics claim otherwise . . . it's also funny you'd use it in response to me considering I literally listed a bunch of "arguably better" centers who rate as clearly worse by the catch all metrics in the same post.

[KingKev]

I understand now, I thought you meant you would trade Jak for Bamba. I don’t mind finding a White-trade package for Poeltl, but paying Bamba that much is worse than how you feel about how much we pay McDermott. That’s a terrible deal.



McD never had much upside. His best alternative away was probably the MLE but for a contender.

I think 4yrs 60mm is a very fair deal and an acceptable risk for Bamba’s upside but I think Orlando
matches. Bamba is a fairly fluid, athletic 7fter with a 7’10 wingspan, who can shoot 35% from 3 on decent volume and is a pretty solid rim protector. Oh and he is 23yrs old.

[KingKev]

It's funny how I never hear people who utilize and comprehend analytics claim otherwise . . . it's also funny you'd use it in response to me considering I literally listed a bunch of "arguably better" centers who rate as clearly worse by the catch all metrics in the same post.

The analytics point wasn’t directly aimed at you just a point in the broader discussion with other members involved. I agree with your valuation in Jak relative to other comparable transactions for bigs.

[talkspurs]

I might be the only one that agrees with King but I would be interested in him as well. I would also be interested in Smith. He is more of a defense reb as Poeltl is oefesne but both get about the same per 100 and Bamab has another big that can rebound with him. bamabs Drtg is actually better but Poeltl Ortg is far better. This is bambas 1st real year of PT. Bamba seems to miss more games but some of that was due to covid. 15 a year is not much over the MLE as that should be about 10 mil. 4/60 I think would be a reasonable deal for him.

[John B]

Valenciunas and Capela :lmao

Thanks for proving my point.

Bruh there are 5-8 more centers after that before you even get to Poodle :lmao:lmao

[rankingtear]

I might be the only one that agrees with King but I would be interested in him as well. I would also be interested in Smith. He is more of a defense reb as Poeltl is oefesne but both get about the same per 100 and Bamab has another big that can rebound with him. bamabs Drtg is actually better but Poeltl Ortg is far better. This is bambas 1st real year of PT. Bamba seems to miss more games but some of that was due to covid. 15 a year is not much over the MLE as that should be about 10 mil. 4/60 I think would be a reasonable deal for him.

They are really similar in that teams misjudge how much strength they can put in them. They are both capped strength wise that is why PHX already gave up on Smith.

[Chinook]

The Spurs can take a look at speculative centers, but they shouldn't go into the off-season planning to replace Jakob with one unless they're also considering trading Murray as well. The reason why Poeltl is tradeable in my mind is that there are quality centers whom the Spurs could acquire after they get value for Jakob. If they're giving something like $36M/3 (with a guarantee structure similar to Collins) to someone like Bamba, they can't be seriously trying to win games. The most I could see paying for him in a world with Poeltl on the team is $20M/2 with the second year being a player option. Then if he plays well, Jakob goes on the block. If not, the team eats the second year and moves on.

Plan A should definitely be Zach Lavine at this point. You gotta hope for some growth from Vassell and either drafting a PF or trading for one. Then you get

Murray/Jones/1st-rounder
Lavine/Primo/Richardson
Vassell/Johnson/KBD or Langford
1st-rounder/McDermott/Wieskamp
Poeltl/Collins or Landale/1st-rounder

Two-way: 2nd-rounder, Cacock or some other big

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs can take a look at speculative centers, but they shouldn't go into the off-season planning to replace Jakob with one unless they're also considering trading Murray as well. The reason why Poeltl is tradeable in my mind is that there are quality centers whom the Spurs could acquire after they get value for Jakob. If they're giving something like $36M/3 (with a guarantee structure similar to Collins) to someone like Bamba, they can't be seriously trying to win games. The most I could see paying for him in a world with Poeltl on the team is $20M/2 with the second year being a player option. Then if he plays well, Jakob goes on the block. If not, the team eats the second year and moves on.

Plan A should definitely be Zach Lavine at this point. You gotta hope for some growth from Vassell and either drafting a PF or trading for one. Then you get

Murray/Jones/1st-rounder
Lavine/Primo/Richardson
Vassell/Johnson/KBD or Langford
1st-rounder/McDermott/Wieskamp
Poeltl/Collins or Landale/1st-rounder

Two-way: 2nd-rounder, Cacock or some other big

What cap moves would the Spurs have to make to get enough room to sign Lavine? Letting Walker go seems to be a given, but I don't know the numbers well enough to know how much room it will take to max out Lavine and still sign all 3 firsts, keep McD, etc.

[KingKev]

Lavine is an absolute pipe dream. I’d love to pair him with DJ but it isn’t going to happen. Also he may be eligIble for a super max from the Bulls if he makes an all-nba team this year which is possible.

With that being said between 2-3 of JRich, McD, Collins and Langford we could
easily clear the room to max out Lavine and sign our rookies.

[Dejounte]

You’d think the Spurs are looking at Dejounte and hearing how he wants to give back to both Seattle and San Antonio communities and want to build on that. The Spurs probably haven’t been this proud of a homegrown player since TP. I think they’ll continue to get guys they think will represent the Spurs hard whenever they reach their potential like this. If you’re in the front office, wouldn’t you think it would be pretty cool if DJ was paired with another Seattle native and both that guy and DJ are doing wonderful community things together for Seattle and SA? This could be Lavine… or it could be Banchero or Eason. Not sure if it’s going to happen, but to me, it falls in line with what the Spurs are known for: community first.

[DAF86]

Bruh there are 5-8 more centers after that before you even get to Poodle :lmao:lmao

Yeah, that's what makes him a top 10 center. :lol

[Dejounte]

You’d think the Spurs are looking at Dejounte and hearing how he wants to give back to both Seattle and San Antonio communities and want to build on that. The Spurs probably haven’t been this proud of a homegrown player since TP. I think they’ll continue to get guys they think will represent the Spurs hard whenever they reach their potential like this. If you’re in the front office, wouldn’t you think it would be pretty cool if DJ was paired with another Seattle native and both that guy and DJ are doing wonderful community things together for Seattle and SA? This could be Lavine… or it could be Banchero or Eason. Not sure if it’s going to happen, but to me, it falls in line with what the Spurs are known for: community first.

I just went over to Banchero’s IG and saw that he put an IG story of the SPURS account posting a photo of both DJ and Lavine with a caption of “Seattle Stand Up” and another story of DJ’s post of himself at the all star game.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, that's what makes him a top 10 center. :lol

Its like these motherfuckers can't count.

[Mr. Body]

Wait -- why would Zach Lavine go from a great city in Chicago with a contending team to sleepy-ass San Antonio in shitty Texas to play for a non post-season team?

[MannyIsGod]

I've wanted to target Lavine for some time, and my hope was that the Chicago moves this summer didn't work and that he'd clearly want out. They've worked to an extent, and this isn't how I would have liked it to play out ideally, but I see absolutely no reason to think that he still shouldn't be option #1. After him, I'd lean towards Bridges and then I guess Ayton. After that, the Spurs should look to make creative trades with their cap room. I don't really see any scenarios where they should go after Bamba with a large percentage of their cap room although I wouldn't be opposed to a Zach Collins like contract.

[Sugus]

Wanting to move Jakob, but wanting to pay 15-20m per year for Bamba is a hell of a take.

I don't know what I was expecting coming back into this thread, but I certainly wasn't bored by it :lmao

Fucking Mo Bamba of all people?! He's a role player at best, a mediocre one at that, with an injury history. His own team fans vocally don't want him back lmao. I don't see him ever coming close to his (admittedly tantalizing) talent ceiling, he might be too far gone and badly developed. Hard pass at anything beyond reclamation-project-level money -- and especially in any scenario where we're losing Poeltl.

[Sugus]

I just went over to Banchero’s IG and saw that he put an IG story of the SPURS account posting a photo of both DJ and Lavine with a caption of “Seattle Stand Up” and another story of DJ’s post of himself at the all star game.

Speak it into existence brother, Seattle connection, I'm all for it. Bring in Sweaty 'Chero down to Texas, we'll probably need to get him a hydrant for the summer months tho :lol

[Sugus]

I've wanted to target Lavine for some time, and my hope was that the Chicago moves this summer didn't work and that he'd clearly want out. They've worked to an extent, and this isn't how I would have liked it to play out ideally, but I see absolutely no reason to think that he still shouldn't be option #1. After him, I'd lean towards Bridges and then I guess Ayton. After that, the Spurs should look to make creative trades with their cap room. I don't really see any scenarios where they should go after Bamba with a large percentage of their cap room although I wouldn't be opposed to a Zach Collins like contract.


Wait -- why would Zach Lavine go from a great city in Chicago with a contending team to sleepy-ass San Antonio in shitty Texas to play for a non post-season team?

This is exactly why Lavine is not first option. You don't shoot for the moon just to take shots. Lavine has also recently said in an interview he expects to be paid "what he's worth", and that's an easy max to shell out for Chicago, especially given the seasonal turnaround. They wouldn't have brought on DeRozan without being fully aware they'd be committing $$$ to Lavine if it works out. It's not even a supermax, either, but a regular max - a literal no-brainer for a player of his caliber.

I'd love to chase after Bridges though. Perfect fit alongside Poeltl, shouldn't be too expensive (at least not JCollins level expensive), great player and person. Ayton, to me, is another absolute pipedream, he's getting the reluctant bag from Sarver IMO. The Suns just can't afford not to. But definitely one of the shakier "pipedreams" right now, we'll see how the playoffs go.

[exstatic]

To humor you:
Jokic
Embiid
Ayton
K-Town
Gobert
Jarrett Allen
Vucevic
Adebayo
Valanciunas
Capela

Was that too quick for you?

Capela was salary dumped by Houston after their WC beat down by GS. Don’t confuse a deer with an actual basketball player. Also, in spite of all of the oops and dunks, his FG% is lower than Jaks.

[exstatic]

Bruh there are 5-8 more centers after that before you even get to Poodle :lmao:lmao

Set em up, and we’ll knock ‘em down.

[KingKev]

Speak it into existence brother, Seattle connection, I'm all for it. Bring in Sweaty 'Chero down to Texas, we'll probably need to get him a hydrant for the summer months tho :lol


This isn’t how life works. Simply being from the same city with NO other connection is a silly reason to think Lavine would
leave Chi. He is getting paid in Chi-town to play for a better team, and a top tier city for possible super max money.

[KobesAchilles]

This is exactly why Lavine is not first option. You don't shoot for the moon just to take shots. Lavine has also recently said in an interview he expects to be paid "what he's worth", and that's an easy max to shell out for Chicago, especially given the seasonal turnaround. They wouldn't have brought on DeRozan without being fully aware they'd be committing $$$ to Lavine if it works out. It's not even a supermax, either, but a regular max - a literal no-brainer for a player of his caliber.

I'd love to chase after Bridges though. Perfect fit alongside Poeltl, shouldn't be too expensive (at least not JCollins level expensive), great player and person. Ayton, to me, is another absolute pipedream, he's getting the reluctant bag from Sarver IMO. The Suns just can't afford not to. But definitely one of the shakier "pipedreams" right now, we'll see how the playoffs go.
The one from PHO or the one from CHA?

[Dejounte]

This isn’t how life works. Simply being from the same city with NO other connection is a silly reason to think Lavine would
leave Chi. He is getting paid in Chi-town to play for a better team, and a top tier city for possible super max money.

Yeah, because it hasn’t happened before… except for the fact that LMA did it when he went to SA.

[KingKev]

I find it funny most here will spend time debating their wet dreams, suggesting players like Ayton, Bridges and Lavine who simply can not be had yet won’t entertain players who can actually be realistic targets. The level of hubris and lack of originality from some of you is quite telling. Many of you act like player valuation is as simple as a google search or your so called “advanced analytics” from ppl who hold, at most high school level arithmetic comprehension.

[KingKev]

Yeah, because it hasn’t happened before… except for the fact that LMA did it when he went to SA.

LMA returning to his home state of Texas to join Pop, Tim, Tony, Manu and an up and coming Kahwi a few years removed from a title is different than Lavine coming to a much lesser situation because someone who he has virtually no other connections to other than they share a home city which probably has a greater metropolis population of 5mm.

I’ll give you your flowers for Luka unfollowing the Spurs and subsequently being cut but everyone already knew his final play was his demise. Meanwhile you continue to preach outlandish scenarios and build them in your fantasy.

The amount of times you have tried to decrypt DJs insta alone is painful bro.

[Dejounte]

Jesus Christ, get off your high horse. You’re predictable as fuck with your constant need to shoot down other people’s thoughts because your bleak outlook on everything Spurs-related. How about getting off the dick of these other teams that you hold in high regard? Yup, they’re oh so successful. You’re so shortsighted and can’t see anything past the present, yet you pretend you’re some kind of intellectual. You want a battle of wits and arithmetics? Let’s fucking do it.

[Dejounte]

LMA returning to his home state of Texas to joining Pop, Tim, Tony, Manu and up and coming Kahwi a few years removed from a title is different than Lavine coming to a much lesser situation because someone who he has virtually no other connections to other than they share a home city which probably has a greater metropolis population of 5mm.

I’ll give you your flowers for Luka unfollowing the Spurs and subsequently being cut but everyone already knew his final play was his demise. Meanwhile you continue to preach outlandish scenarios and build them in your fantasy.

The amount of times you have tried to decrypt DJs insta alone is painful bro.

Remind me again what the alternative is? Wallow in your despair and continue to be in awe of shit stain franchises? Yeeah, don’t pat yourself in the back too hard for being a cuck.

[KingKev]

Jesus Christ, get off your high horse. You’re predictable as fuck with your constant need to shoot down other people’s thoughts because your bleak outlook on everything Spurs-related. How about getting off the dick of these other teams that you hold in high regard? Yup, they’re oh so successful. You’re so shortsighted and can’t see anything past the present, yet you pretend you’re some kind of intellectual. You want a battle of wits and arithmetics? Let’s fucking do it.

I have a very positive outlook for out next 3-5 years. We have infinite cap flexibility, large and likely growing draft capital, pretty good team/corporate culture and what seems as changing of the guard at the decision making level. Plus a budding generational piece like DJ to build around.

I even think SA has alot to offer as a city and community to certain ppl.

Sooner or later we may hit on a free agent but i’m not going to sit here and fantasize about RFAs who will be matched at all costs or a guy like Lavine given current circumstances.

[Sugus]

This isn’t how life works. Simply being from the same city with NO other connection is a silly reason to think Lavine would
leave Chi. He is getting paid in Chi-town to play for a better team, and a top tier city for possible super max money.

Wait, what? I was talking about Paolo lmao, not Lavine. I literally make your exact point in the very next post that I made, saying Lavine is an absolute pipedream :lol

Lay down the pipe brother, or pass it! :smokin

[Sugus]

The one from PHO or the one from CHA?

CHA was the one I was thinking, but TBH I wouldn't mind Mikal at all, he's a gem of a player too. I really like him even though I've hardly watched the Suns this season. I know Miles' extension is coming up, too, which prompted my comment, I have no idea what Mikal's contract situation is tbh, and really doubt the Suns would let him go or trade him out, to us of all people... Smells like pipedream to me, idk.

[KingKev]

Wait, what? I was talking about Paolo lmao, not Lavine. I literally make your exact point in the very next post that I made, saying Lavine is an absolute pipedream :lol

Lay down the pipe brother, or pass it! :smokin

Yeah I re-read that afterwords. My bad. I’d love for either tbh but short of a real blowout in Chi I do not see Lavine leaving. Paulo there is some hope.

[Chinook]

It'd be hard to believe Chicago would be unwilling to pay the DPE given their win-now push, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. I don't know that I'd want Lavine for, say, Beal money, and the Bulls may not either. As Seventyniner (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17327) pointed, out, it's not the simplest thing for the Spurs to just sign him outright, even for non-DPE money. For multiple reasons, a sign-and-trade might be preferable. Ideally, the Spurs would probably want to keep Murray, Vassell and Poeltl if they are getting Lavine, but they have Richardson and McD to possibly use as matching salaries in addition to picks and young players. If the Spurs somehow combine that will drafting Banchero, it would be amazing. Obviously it's great from a talent perspective, but hopefully their ties would form a good culture.

Part of a Plan A is that you are willing to go to Plan B. I don't think the unlikelihood to Lavine leaving Chicago means the Spurs shouldn't want that to be the top goal. He's not an RFA where the team ties up their money in him. Fundamentally, though, whether it's Lavine or someone else, I believe the Spurs should go into the off-season trying to take a couple of big steps forward while DeJounte is still cheap. That means having trades on the table to clear cap space and to try to set up meetings with guys like Lavine and Beal. Hell, they should look into it during the draft. I wouldn't be a fan of them trading their top pick for a win-now player, but their post-lotto picks are fair game. They don't need incremental role-players, but for as well know they can make trade like Paul to Houston and skip free agency altogether.

It's only after missing on all of that that I'd want the Spurs to settle into another asset-acquiring season. DeJounte is not that young, and it's much easier to blow it up and to bring it together.

[KingKev]

CHA was the one I was thinking, but TBH I wouldn't mind Mikal at all, he's a gem of a player too. I really like him even though I've hardly watched the Suns this season. I know Miles' extension is coming up, too, which prompted my comment, I have no idea what Mikal's contract situation is tbh, and really doubt the Suns would let him go or trade him out, to us of all people... Smells like pipedream to me, idk.

Mikal was already extended. Miles will be matched even if it costs Charlotte the max IMO.

[KingKev]

It'd be hard to believe Chicago would be unwilling to pay the DPE given their win-now push, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. I don't know that I'd want Lavine for, say, Beal money, and the Bulls may not either. As Seventyniner (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17327) pointed, out, it's not the simplest thing for the Spurs to just sign him outright, even for non-DPE money. For multiple reasons, a sign-and-trade might be preferable. Ideally, the Spurs would probably want to keep Murray, Vassell and Poeltl if they are getting Lavine, but they have Richardson and McD to possibly use as matching salaries in addition to picks and young players. If the Spurs somehow combine that will drafting Banchero, it would be amazing. Obviously it's great from a talent perspective, but hopefully their ties would form a good culture.

Part of a Plan A is that you are willing to go to Plan B. I don't think the unlikelihood to Lavine leaving Chicago means the Spurs shouldn't want that to be the top goal. He's not an RFA where the team ties up their money in him. Fundamentally, though, whether it's Lavine or someone else, I believe the Spurs should go into the off-season trying to take a couple of big steps forward while DeJounte is still cheap. That means having trades on the table to clear cap space and to try to set up meetings with guys like Lavine and Beal. Hell, they should look into it during the draft. I wouldn't be a fan of them trading their top pick for a win-now player, but their post-lotto picks are fair game. They don't need incremental role-players, but for as well know they can make trade like Paul to Houston and skip free agency altogether.

It's only after missing on all of that that I'd want the Spurs to settle into another asset-acquiring season. DeJounte is not that young, and it's much easier to blow it up and to bring it together.

If Lavine makes an all-NBA team he is going to be eligable and will get the super max from Chicago and I’m confident in that.

Lavine is much more appealing than Beal for many reasons but Beal might be attainable though would still probably require a sign and trade. That’s a tough proposition as you lock up serious money AND give young assets or picks for a 28yr old who still does not move the needle. Signing him outright I think would be a consideration if he does opt out.

[MannyIsGod]

If Lavine makes an all-NBA team he is going to be eligable and will get the super max from Chicago and I’m confident in that.

Lavine is much more appealing than Beal for many reasons but Beal might be attainable though would still probably require a sign and trade. That’s a tough proposition as you lock up serious money AND give young assets or picks for a 28yr old who still does not move the needle. Signing him outright I think would be a consideration if he does opt out.

Yes, Chinook is talking about the supermax. Thats what the DPE is.

[KingKev]

Yes, Chinook is talking about the supermax. Thats what the DPE is.


All nomenclature but I always thought the DPE was the disabled player exception.

[TD 21]

I could see the Spurs pushing to add a possible foundational piece to Murray this off season, but far more likely through the draft.

If their picks ends up in the expected ranges, between that, a Poeltl to Hornets trade that feels like it could be revisited (if they keep dropping, maybe the Spurs settle for the lowest of the Celtics/Raptors 1st for theirs plus some far off pick swap option), Richardson and Langford, there's enough assets/combinations that if whoever lands in the top 3 is not enamored with whichever of the projected top 3, maybe they bite.

The problem is, the teams likely to pick in that range also need core pieces more than they need depth of assets.

Still, I'd anticipate some sort of trade, even if it's just to move up a few spots to secure Griffin, Murray, etc.

[DAF86]

Almost a 30 pts triple fucking double. :lol

Fuck anyone doubting this guy.

[XDT76]

Almost a 30 pts triple fucking double. :lol

Fuck anyone doubting this guy.

People will continue bashing him until he is traded and start to amuse that he put up these numbers and then post a thread "Did we make a mistake to trade Poeltl?"

[slick'81]

Poodle fckn power

[John B]

I have to give Kudos to Poeltl for playing a great game last night with almost triple-double. I still see the overhelping too early resulting to uncontested dunks. But his 28 pts helped secure the win. He also had 11 rebounds. I personally thought it was more the way Spurs controlled the rebound when he was in.

[Elementis]

the overhelping is at least partly due to the lack of a real PF, that forces him out of position with no one being able to rotate over.
the defensive game plan mostly focuses on funneling opposing players towards him at the rim, but if he takes that challenge, his man is left open, and too often he cannot keep the passing lane guarded on top. to me it looks like that is partly the actual game plan, though up to others to evaluate the net result of that

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand people who want to trade him. Fundamentally don't understand them.

[exstatic]

I don't understand people who want to trade him. Fundamentally don't understand them.

Wanting to trade him =/= just wanting him gone. He’s got real value around the league, and we might get some good value this summer. You think Charlotte isn’t kicking themselves for not pulling the trigger? I’m not sure what the future holds, other than it’s going to cost a LOT more to keep him in 2023, and we’ve got young mouths to feed. DJ will also need a new contract, a much larger one, soon.

[slick'81]

Wanting to trade him =/= just wanting him gone. He’s got real value around the league, and we might get some good value this summer. You think Charlotte isn’t kicking themselves for not pulling the trigger? I’m not sure what the future holds, other than it’s going to cost a LOT more to keep him in 2023, and we’ve got young mouths to feed. DJ will also need a new contract, a much larger one, soon.

you have to think the sours value him but what price is to high to retain him?

[Mr. Body]

Wanting to trade him =/= just wanting him gone. He’s got real value around the league, and we might get some good value this summer. You think Charlotte isn’t kicking themselves for not pulling the trigger? I’m not sure what the future holds, other than it’s going to cost a LOT more to keep him in 2023, and we’ve got young mouths to feed. DJ will also need a new contract, a much larger one, soon.

I don't think that Charlotte trade existed at all.

[talkspurs]

I don't think that Charlotte trade existed at all.

I think the trade did and the Spurs wanted a 1st and the Hornets were not willing to give up a first. I think now they might be wishing they did. This is why I wish we would have maybe gone up and offered the hornets a 2nd instead of to toronto. I also would have rather gotten boucher back from toronto though.

[exstatic]

I think the trade did and the Spurs wanted a 1st and the Hornets were not willing to give up a first. I think now they might be wishing they did. This is why I wish we would have maybe gone up and offered the hornets a 2nd instead of to toronto. I also would have rather gotten boucher back from toronto though.

The young PF had some value, but the center was just a jumping Jack, a deer in Barkley speak. There would have needed to be a first attached.

Boucher is an attitude case. The numbers also didn’t work.

[talkspurs]

The young PF had some value, but the center was just a jumping Jack, a deer in Barkley speak. There would have needed to be a first attached.

Boucher is an attitude case. The numbers also didn’t work.

I think they both had value. jones may be a jumping jack but that is partly where coaching can come in and determination of player. He was just drafted this year and has done well the little he has played in the Gleague.

I have seen nothing of him being an attitude case except nurse benching him for some reason. He seems to get along with players. Look at how many players pop has benched that went attitude problems. The numbers could have been fixed with another player.

[exstatic]

I think they both had value. jones may be a jumping jack but that is partly where coaching can come in and determination of player. He was just drafted this year and has done well the little he has played in the Gleague.

I have seen nothing of him being an attitude case except nurse benching him for some reason. He seems to get along with players. Look at how many players pop has benched that went attitude problems. The numbers could have been fixed with another player.

Kai’s problem is that he lacks skills, AND isn’t young. He’s 21 and barely plays. They thought so much of him that they went shopping for a center. Spurs fans bitch about Primo being in Austin, but he’s now played 31 games with the big club. Kai has only played 17 for Charlotte.

Boucher’s benching was for issues with Nurse and the staff.

[talkspurs]

Kai’s problem is that he lacks skills, AND isn’t young. He’s 21 and barely plays. They thought so much of him that they went shopping for a center. Spurs fans bitch about Primo being in Austin, but he’s now played 31 games with the big club. Kai has only played 17 for Charlotte.

Boucher’s benching was for issues with Nurse and the staff.

21 is still young. People still want to keep Lonnie and he is 23 but he should be gone at the end of the year. Devin is 21 and Im not ready to give up on him yet. Charlotte is at more of a win now stage then the Spurs so they will be playing their more established players.

I have never seen anything as far as problems go with nurse other then he doesnt like him. he did the same thing last year and the year before. This is just nurse benching a player not an attitude issue.

[exstatic]

21 is still young. People still want to keep Lonnie and he is 23 but he should be gone at the end of the year. Devin is 21 and Im not ready to give up on him yet. Charlotte is at more of a win now stage then the Spurs so they will be playing their more established players.

I have never seen anything as far as problems go with nurse other then he doesnt like him. he did the same thing last year and the year before. This is just nurse benching a player not an attitude issue.

When you mouth off to your coach, that’s the very definition of an attitude problem.

Devin and Lonnie have both shown something so far. The point isn’t 21. The point is 21, and no real skills yet at the NBA level. That’s probably too high a hill to climb. I’ll be curious to see if his year 3 option gets picked up after this year.

[talkspurs]

When you mouth off to your coach, that’s the very definition of an attitude problem.

Devin and Lonnie have both shown something so far. The point isn’t 21. The point is 21, and no real skills yet at the NBA level. That’s probably too high a hill to climb. I’ll be curious to see if his year 3 option gets picked up after this year.

Do you have anything to show that he mouthed off to his coach as I have never seen this. everything I have seen is he was a good teammate and takes directions well.

This is Kai first year. he has done well in the Gleague. I would say he has done better then Devin or lonnie did in Gleague. Most Spurs do not get much playing time in the first year so I could see why Kai has not gotten much playing time. Lonnie in the NBA has had a few Flashes but he has also shown that he is vastly inconsistent. I would not count this as him showing much.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Our team stinks defensively when Poeltl sits. If this team even contemplates moving him this summer they better have a good plan for what to do to replace his defense, because we'll be giving up 130 a night without him on the floor.

[KobesAchilles]

I think Ja single handedly ended Jak's career. All these advanced stats saying how Jak is the greatest defender in the league should be on the back of that poster Jak starred in :lol

It's not even that he got dunked on (everyone gets dunked on) but more that Ja never even recognized his existence on the floor. Like Jak could've been on the bench eating popcorn and still produced the same result as him playing the actual game defensively. Just lay up after lay up after lay up.

[Kevin]

Our team stinks defensively when Poeltl sits. If this team even contemplates moving him this summer they better have a good plan for what to do to replace his defense, because we'll be giving up 130 a night without him on the floor.

Agreed. Also the assumption that Jak is gone after next season is annoying. He should only be traded away for a relatively hefty price.

[rjv]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ae/66/28/ae66284fce8b0922fde2b71e189b1c5f.jpg

[KingKev]

Agreed. Also the assumption that Jak is gone after next season is annoying. He should only be traded away for a relatively hefty price.

I think for most it’s realizing you can get a nice return for Jak currently because his contract holds solid value, or risk losing him a year later in free agency when he gets a nice pay day.

[John B]

I think for most it’s realizing you can get a nice return for Jak currently because his contract holds solid value, or risk losing him a year later in free agency when he gets a nice pay day.

That’s simply put, yet somehow too difficult to understand for many of the posters here.

[Kevin]

That’s simply put, yet somehow too difficult to understand for many of the posters here.

The Spurs hold his bird rights and he only turns 27 in October. If he was 30 years old right now then yes the Spurs should trade him sooner than later.

He starts his new contact in his age 28 season. He should still have about 3 years of prime basketball left. Plus his skill set should age well since it doesn't rely on speed or explosion.

[spurraider21]

weve got jak for 9 mil next year which is a bargain. then we have his bird rights. wouldnt move him unless the offer blew me away. by the time hes a FA in the 2023 offseason we'll have a lot of cap flexibility to decide how to move forward

[Chinook]

If the Spurs aren't looking to trade Poeltl, they should look into extending him. The max extension he can sign is $50.5M/4. Considering the rising cap, that wouldn't be a bad deal for the Spurs. Jakob would probably remain tradeable on that contract. I could see Poeltl's representation telling him not to sign it, though I would consider that to be really risky given his very real limitations and the tendency for role-playing centers to not get paid a lot. Like with Murray, Jakob's signing has calendar issues. He signed his new deal in November of 2020, meaning the team couldn't offer him an extension until next season is underway. With DeJounte, it's a bigger deal, because the Spurs probably won't be able to use cap space to renegotiate his contract and save some salary down the road. But it also matters, because the Spurs can't extend Poeltl for that contract and then trade him in the same season. Oh well.

[Kevin]

If the Spurs aren't looking to trade Poeltl, they should look into extending him. The max extension he can sign is $50.5M/4. Considering the rising cap, that wouldn't be a bad deal for the Spurs. Jakob would probably remain tradeable on that contract. I could see Poeltl's representation telling him not to sign it, though I would consider that to be really risky given his very real limitations and the tendency for role-playing centers to not get paid a lot. Like with Murray, Jakob's signing has calendar issues. He signed his new deal in November of 2020, meaning the team couldn't offer him an extension until next season is underway. With DeJounte, it's a bigger deal, because the Spurs probably won't be able to use cap space to renegotiate his contract and save some salary down the road. But it also matters, because the Spurs can't extend Poeltl for that contract and then trade him in the same season. Oh well.

Jak at 12.6 million a year would be a great deal for the Spurs. Doubt he would sign it without testing the market.

[slick'81]

Finally poodle power getting the love he deserves

[MannyIsGod]

If the Spurs aren't looking to trade Poeltl, they should look into extending him. The max extension he can sign is $50.5M/4. Considering the rising cap, that wouldn't be a bad deal for the Spurs. Jakob would probably remain tradeable on that contract. I could see Poeltl's representation telling him not to sign it, though I would consider that to be really risky given his very real limitations and the tendency for role-playing centers to not get paid a lot. Like with Murray, Jakob's signing has calendar issues. He signed his new deal in November of 2020, meaning the team couldn't offer him an extension until next season is underway. With DeJounte, it's a bigger deal, because the Spurs probably won't be able to use cap space to renegotiate his contract and save some salary down the road. But it also matters, because the Spurs can't extend Poeltl for that contract and then trade him in the same season. Oh well.

I don't see anyway he signs that but if the Spurs can get him in at that rate they should.

[John B]

I doubt Poeltl signs $12.6/4. If he did, great. Any more than that, bye Poeltl. Unless he improves his FT to 60% and better, and his ppg in high teens.

[rjv]

Poeltl is solid but he still struggles with athletic bigs-if he can get some help at the 4 spot with some more length that would be nice.

[Kevin]

Almost everyone universally agrees that the Spurs will struggle as a free agent destination. Last summer's free agent haul was a slightly overpaid McDermott, an unproven and injured Zollins plus Forbes.

Just pay Jak. He's about the best they'll do for the money.

[John B]

Almost everyone universally agrees that the Spurs will struggle as a free agent destination. Last summer's free agent haul was a slightly overpaid McDermott, an unproven and injured Zollins plus Forbes.

Just pay Jak. He's about the best they'll do for the money.

How much would you pay Jak?

[Kevin]

How much would you pay Jak?


15 million or less. Letting him go rewinds the clock on plausible championship contention in 3 years with one home run draft pick. ��

[BackHome]

I think he gets traded this summer there was a lot of noise about teams wanting him before the trade dead line I expect those talks to continue.

[John B]

15 million or less. Letting him go rewinds the clock on plausible championship contention in 3 years with one home run draft pick. ��

I seriously think Poeltl would ask more than that. As many claim here, Poeltl is top 10 center, and top 10 centers don’t get $15mil or less.

[Thomas82]

I think he gets traded this summer there was a lot of noise about teams wanting him before the trade dead line I expect those talks to continue.

Yeah, I believe that too.

[Kevin]

I seriously think Poeltl would ask more than that. As many claim here, Poeltl is top 10 center, and top 10 centers don’t get $15mil or less.

You're probably correct. Heck Thad Young is making 14 million this season. If Jak is a top 10 center then keeping him is a no brainer above 15 million. Again he'll only be 28 on the first year of his new deal. Plenty of good basketball ahead.

[slick'81]

We either trade poodle for a good haul or resign. No worries here

[Kevin]

We either trade poodle for a good haul or resign. No worries here

Letting him walk for nothing is the only unacceptable outcome.

[Chinook]

I don't see anyway he signs that but if the Spurs can get him in at that rate they should.

I think from a hype perspective he can do better. But I also think from a production perspective that he shouldn't command much more than that. He has real flaws, and while a lot of the popular stats suggests he has a star-like impact, there are stats that don't cut for him as much. I think the Spurs might be able to 80/20 him now. On a new deal, it's pretty much a certainty in my mind. Their task is to convince him that he won't get so much more in 2024 that he should forgo the guarantee now.

[KobesAchilles]

I think from a hype perspective he can do better. But I also think from a production perspective that he shouldn't command much more than that. He has real flaws, and while a lot of the popular stats suggests he has a star-like impact, there are stats that don't cut for him as much. I think the Spurs might be able to 80/20 him now. On a new deal, it's pretty much a certainty in my mind. Their task is to convince him that he won't get so much more in 2024 that he should forgo the guarantee now.
Would there even be a market for him?

[slick'81]

Jesus,poodle power getting 20 mil per:wow

[Chinook]

Would there even be a market for him?

On the trade market (including S&Ts)? Yes. He's worth money into the low-teens, especially with the rising cap. Issue is that if he's worth more than the MLE (or even the TPMLE), the teams that can afford him is much lower. I don't know that the Spurs have to risk him signing away for more money, but I do think if their goal Poeltl-related goal is to keep him then they run the bigger risk of trading him for a meh return rather than getting him to agree for cheap.

[John B]

Jesus,poodle power getting 20 mil per:wow

That’s how much Jarrett Allen make :greedy

[BatManu20]

Poeltl getting a 60-piece on his head last night.

[rjv]

poeltl has a history of putting his tail between his legs when facing the more elite centers of the league

[Texas_Ranger]

but, but, but, he is not afraid to get dunked on... LOL, this guy sucks and should have never been on the team, but these are the modern spurs. A bunch of role players, that some people think will actually be good.

[poopbox]

The only reason he is on the team is to save face for the Kawhi trade TBH...without Poeltl we basically traded Kawhi for Keldon Johnson :lol

[SPURt]

I don’t get some of these takes on here. Jakob’s free throw shooting is atrocious no doubt, but he’s better than most centers not name David Robinson to play next to Duncan. If the Spurs had a legit 4 that plays any amount of defense Jakob would look a lot different. Saying Jakob was the reason KAT dropped 60 didn’t watch the game. Zollins was getting murdered by KAT. KAT hit 7 threes on 63% from downtown on top of that. What’s Jakob supposed to do with that?

[KobesAchilles]

I don’t get some of these takes on here. Jakob’s free throw shooting is atrocious no doubt, but he’s better than most centers not name David Robinson to play next to Duncan. If the Spurs had a legit 4 that plays any amount of defense Jakob would look a lot different. Saying Jakob was the reason KAT dropped 60 didn’t watch the game. Zollins was getting murdered by KAT. KAT hit 7 threes on 63% from downtown on top of that. What’s Jakob supposed to do with that?
If your argument is that he is better than Nazi Muhammad then sure he is. But that kinda shit only really matters if we had Tim Duncan. We are devoid of talent across the whole fucking roster. So it doesn’t really matter if he is better than Rasho in 04.

Ask yourself this, of every single playoff team in the west, would anybody (not named DJ) be a starter on them? And that includes fucking Poeltl. So we shouldn’t be paying a center who wouldn’t be a stater on any other playoff team (maybe one at most) 20 million a year. There’s an idea. That’s my new question. Would Lonnie start on Phoenix or Memphis, or GS or Denver? No? Then don’t sign him to big money either. We have nice role players. High end bench players on our team as starters. It’s time we upgrade the talent

[mo7888]

If your argument is that he is better than Nazi Muhammad then sure he is. But that kinda shit only really matters if we had Tim Duncan. We are devoid of talent across the whole fucking roster. So it doesn’t really matter if he is better than Rasho in 04.

Ask yourself this, of every single playoff team in the west, would anybody (not named DJ) be a starter on them? And that includes fucking Poeltl. So we shouldn’t be paying a center who wouldn’t be a stater on any other playoff team (maybe one at most) 20 million a year. There’s an idea. That’s my new question. Would Lonnie start on Phoenix or Memphis, or GS or Denver? No? Then don’t sign him to big money either. We have nice role players. High end bench players on our team as starters. It’s time we upgrade the talent

Of the top 10 teams in the west (I'm including the play in teams) Poeltl would start on both LA teams, Dallas, and GS...you can make an argument for Memphis over Adams at this point but he'd start on those 4 for sure.

[KobesAchilles]

Of the top 10 teams in the west (I'm including the play in teams) Poeltl would start on both LA teams, Dallas, and GS...you can make an argument for Memphis over Adams at this point but he'd start on those 4 for sure.
He wouldn’t start on the Clippers at all. They have just as good a player on just a good a contract. Idgaf about the Lakers they suck and I don’t count the 10th seed as a viable playoff team. If we truly wanted to then we could be the the 10th seed this year.

That leaves Dallas and GS. He would start on Dallas (that was the team I was thinking of once they got rid of Kristaps) but they wouldn’t pay him fucking 20 million a year to do it and would get a different player in a heartbeat instead of offering him that contract. Golden St I guess he would be a reverse Manu where he would start for them but he wouldn’t finish for them. And Adams is tougher than Poeltl and does the same job as Poeltl and actually has been proven to affect winning rather than his only advance stats saying so and team results not.

So 2 teams in the playoffs? And he’s worth $20 million a year? The shit y’all say. Dude is worth his contract. And that’s about it.

[mo7888]

He wouldn’t start on the Clippers at all. They have just as good a player on just a good a contract. Idgaf about the Lakers they suck and I don’t count the 10th seed as a viable playoff team. If we truly wanted to then we could be the the 10th seed this year.

That leaves Dallas and GS. He would start on Dallas (that was the team I was thinking of once they got rid of Kristaps) but they wouldn’t pay him fucking 20 million a year to do it and would get a different player in a heartbeat instead of offering him that contract. Golden St I guess he would be a reverse Manu where he would start for them but he wouldn’t finish for them. And Adams is tougher than Poeltl and does the same job as Poeltl and actually has been proven to affect winning rather than his only advance stats saying so and team results not.

So 2 teams in the playoffs? And he’s worth $20 million a year? The shit y’all say. Dude is worth his contract. And that’s about it.

I think you're wrong about the Clips...as for the $20M/year.... I don't think anyone is seriously discussing that....If we can extend him at his max extension then it's a good number for us...if he's not agreeable then we should move him this summer....it's a pretty simple proposition at this point.

[KobesAchilles]

I think you're wrong about the Clips...as for the $20M/year.... I don't think anyone is seriously discussing that....If we can extend him at his max extension then it's a good number for us...if he's not agreeable then we should move him this summer....it's a pretty simple proposition at this point.
i wonder about that though. And my dislike for him aside. Does he really have a market for that number? Would he get a max extension offer from anybody else? A losing team wouldn’t sign him to that. And very few winning teams have any cap space for him. I just don’t see a team offering him $15 million a year. I think we could keep him for 10 and call it a day. He might not accept this offer but after probing other teams he will be forced to sign it. Much like Lonnie

[SPURt]

If your argument is that he is better than Nazi Muhammad then sure he is. But that kinda shit only really matters if we had Tim Duncan. We are devoid of talent across the whole fucking roster. So it doesn’t really matter if he is better than Rasho in 04.

Ask yourself this, of every single playoff team in the west, would anybody (not named DJ) be a starter on them? And that includes fucking Poeltl. So we shouldn’t be paying a center who wouldn’t be a stater on any other playoff team (maybe one at most) 20 million a year. There’s an idea. That’s my new question. Would Lonnie start on Phoenix or Memphis, or GS or Denver? No? Then don’t sign him to big money either. We have nice role players. High end bench players on our team as starters. It’s time we upgrade the talent
I’m definitely not advocating for any type of salary, I’m stating he is a solid starter in the NBA. Some of these takes calling Jakob trash and suggesting the Spurs are playing him to save face for the Kawhi trade are a little off the mark. Keldon Johnson is a starter too. I’m not saying they’re all stars, but they can both start on NBA teams that don’t have an all star at their respective positions. Jakob will never be an all star, but Keldon still might.

[mo7888]

i wonder about that though. And my dislike for him aside. Does he really have a market for that number? Would he get a max extension offer from anybody else? A losing team wouldn’t sign him to that. And very few winning teams have any cap space for him. I just don’t see a team offering him $15 million a year. I think we could keep him for 10 and call it a day. He might not accept this offer but after probing other teams he will be forced to sign it. Much like Lonnie

I think he easily has a market at $15M...but he'd have to wait a year and risk injury... that's why I think we 'might' have a shot to keep him at his max extension number..

[KobesAchilles]

I think he easily has a market at $15M...but he'd have to wait a year and risk injury... that's why I think we 'might' have a shot to keep him at his max extension number..
From who though? I can’t think of a team. Also what is his max extension number?

[John B]

I think he easily has a market at $15M...but he'd have to wait a year and risk injury... that's why I think we 'might' have a shot to keep him at his max extension number..

Poeltl shouldn’t be paid more than DJM who is averaging 16mil a year, despite many thinks he’s a top 10 center.

[exstatic]

Poeltl shouldn’t be paid more than DJM who is averaging 16mil a year, despite many thinks he’s a top 10 center.

That kind of thinking caused PHO to non tender Jalen Smith, and ultimately lose him . You don’t lose a player because another player is on a steal of a contract. You pay a player what he’s worth when his contract is up. If you have two brain cells to rub together,you know that DJs next contract will probably be double this one. He’ll get paid what he’s worth when his contract is up.

[KingKev]

That kind of thinking caused PHO to non tender Jalen Smith, and ultimately lose him . You don’t lose a player because another player is on a steal of a contract. You pay a player what he’s worth when his contract is up. If you have two brain cells to rub together,you know that DJs next contract will probably be double this one. He’ll get paid what he’s worth when his contract is up.

Preach.

[cd98]

I’m definitely not advocating for any type of salary, I’m stating he is a solid starter in the NBA. Some of these takes calling Jakob trash and suggesting the Spurs are playing him to save face for the Kawhi trade are a little off the mark. Keldon Johnson is a starter too. I’m not saying they’re all stars, but they can both start on NBA teams that don’t have an all star at their respective positions. Jakob will never be an all star, but Keldon still might.

Plus you need to see what the draft picks for DDR and Young provide. Essentially, if Poetl stays on the team, it is him plus Keldon Johnson, plus the two other first round picks. That could be a decent return for a team that had zero leverage given Kawhi's intent to go to LA regardless of where he was traded and Kawhi's "injury" situation and refusal to even meet with team representatives. Also, but less likely to be impactful, is what the Spurs can get in free agency with the money that they are not paying Kawhi to be a supermax player. Because they would have paid him the supermax if he stayed. So trading him, and then DDR for draft picks and expiring salary means Keldon, Jakob, two first round picks, and salary cap space to sign a free agent(s).

[KingKev]

Plus you need to see what the draft picks for DDR and Young provide. Essentially, if Poetl stays on the team, it is him plus Keldon Johnson, plus the two other first round picks. That could be a decent return for a team that had zero leverage given Kawhi's intent to go to LA regardless of where he was traded and Kawhi's "injury" situation and refusal to even meet with team representatives. Also, but less likely to be impactful, is what the Spurs can get in free agency with the money that they are not paying Kawhi to be a supermax player. Because they would have paid him the supermax if he stayed. So trading him, and then DDR for draft picks and expiring salary means Keldon, Jakob, two first round picks, and salary cap space to sign a free agent(s).

This really needs to be put to rest as we are too far removed from the Kahwi trade but if you are going to equate the series of trades than you need to consider Danny Green, the 5mm in cash that went to TO, eating Aminu’s contract in the Bulls DDR trade, the reality Thad didn’t garner a first rather moved us up 10-15 spots in the draft, Keldon could have been taken at 19 versus the flier we took on Samanic etc etc.

Not worth the debate.

[exstatic]

This really needs to be put to rest as we are too far removed from the Kahwi trade but if you are going to equate the series of trades than you need to consider Danny Green, the 5mm in cash that went to TO, eating Aminu’s contract in the Bulls DDR trade, the reality Thad didn’t garner a first rather moved us up 10-15 spots in the draft, Keldon could have been taken at 19 versus the flier we took on Samanic etc etc.

Not worth the debate.

If you’re going to use this logic, then because OKC ate contracts to get many of their FRPs, they don’t really count, either. And Keldon could have been taken at 19, but he wasn’t. He was picked at 29 with the pick that conveyed from Toronto in the Kawhi trade.

If you really want to follow this to it’s source, look to the #26 pick in the 2008 draft, George Hill. ALL OF THIS spun off of that pick. Spurs are doing it again, too, with the White pick, #29 in 2017 that they’ve already turned into a pick better than the original White pick, a FRP swap option in 2028, and two assets that may yield further picks and/or players.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

poeltl has a history of putting his tail between his legs when facing the more elite centers of the league

His play this year has improved against most of the better centers, over previous seasons. The Minnesota game was a bit of an anomaly. Without Poeltl this team has no interior defense. Jock is an awful defender, and Collins is really out of position a bit at the 5, getting smushed by stronger guys. Our team defense takes a bit hit without Jakob.

[KingKev]

If you’re going to use this logic, then because OKC ate contracts to get many of their FRPs, they don’t really count, either. And Keldon could have been taken at 19, but he wasn’t. He was picked at 29 with the pick that conveyed from Toronto in the Kawhi trade.

If you really want to follow this to it’s source, look to the #26 pick in the 2008 draft, George Hill. ALL OF THIS spun off of that pick. Spurs are doing it again, too, with the White pick, #29 in 2017 that they’ve already turned into a pick better than the original White pick, a FRP swap option in 2028, and two assets that may yield further picks and/or players.

Fair point but I’d draw a line at Leonard asking out and we go from there but again this is a useless exercise.

One thing I don’t agree with is we are keeping Jak around just to save face. He turned out to be a pretty good player. With that being said I’d move him this summer for the right price, before I’d pay him what I think is 15mm a year market value come 2023.

[Gagnrath]

Of the top 10 teams in the west (I'm including the play in teams) Poeltl would start on both LA teams, Dallas, and GS...you can make an argument for Memphis over Adams at this point but he'd start on those 4 for sure.
Peoltl would only start for the Lakers when Anthony Davis was injured.

[Sugus]

That kind of thinking caused PHO to non tender Jalen Smith, and ultimately lose him . You don’t lose a player because another player is on a steal of a contract. You pay a player what he’s worth when his contract is up. If you have two brain cells to rub together,you know that DJs next contract will probably be double this one. He’ll get paid what he’s worth when his contract is up.

That's quite the longshot assumption, considering we have posters in this very thread arguing that the Spurs are keeping Jakob just to "save face" on a Kawhi trade that the team and organization has long moved on from. Rubbing braincells isn't all that common nowadays.

Sadly I see the same debate being held regarding Murray's contract once he's up for an extension. Talk of "yeah he's worth his current salary and a bit more, but a max?!" and all that. Tiresome but predictable.

[Sugus]

Peoltl would only start for the Lakers when Anthony Davis was injured.


:lmao no he wouldn't, he'd start alongside AD for the 20 games a year that he's healthy, and still start the 60 games he's Day-to-Davis. Are you forgetting that's the same AD that literally refuses to play the C for his team, and the same Lakers team starting literal LeBron at C?

Do y'all watch games or what?

[Gagnrath]

:lmao no he wouldn't, he'd start alongside AD for the 20 games a year that he's healthy, and still start the 60 games he's Day-to-Davis. Are you forgetting that's the same AD that literally refuses to play the C for his team, and the same Lakers team starting literal LeBron at C?

Do y'all watch games or what?


I don't really watch many Lakers games but he sure seems to play a lot of center to me.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/12/8/22824959/frank-vogel-anthony-davis-center-lebron-james-russell-westbrook-deandre-jordan

[Texas_Ranger]

Even if this joke would start on the Lakers or Dallas, they still have a superstar and can hide this loser while he's on the floor, while our team full of role players can't really do that.

[John B]

Even if this joke would start on the Lakers or Dallas, they still have a superstar and can hide this loser while he's on the floor, while our team full of role players can't really do that.

Not to be confused with The Joker. Poodle is simply, a Joke :lol

[John B]

I don’t think anyone is not happy with Zollins and Landale playing well lately. I know they’re far from the defensive players that we like. But at least they can play in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.

[mo7888]

Peoltl would only start for the Lakers when Anthony Davis was injured.

If AD is playing C, then yes....but he doesn't like it and considers himself a 4...

[mo7888]

From who though? I can’t think of a team. Also what is his max extension number?

Several teams would be interested this summer (trade) or the following by signing him as a FA...Toronto, Charlotte, Chicago, NY, and Detroit in the East and there are nearly as many in the West. That doesn't mean they will all be fighting each other for him but, all of those would have some level of interest either by trade or signing him at $15M.

Max extension this summer is $50.5 over 4 I believe is what Chinook quoted...

[Sugus]

I don't really watch many Lakers games but he sure seems to play a lot of center to me.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/12/8/22824959/frank-vogel-anthony-davis-center-lebron-james-russell-westbrook-deandre-jordan

Lol, it's noteworthy because it's such a rare condition, precisely because he doesn't play the 5 nor considers himself a C. People have literally been saying "AD at 5 is a cheatcode" for years and the man himself refuses to do that. Given his frail body and the gruesome nature of playing the C, I understand him to an extent, but still a weak move that hinders his team, and still means he'd start alongside Jakob, which was the whole point.

And I'd love to see Jakob alongside a "PF" like AD, tbh. Great compliment to Jak's game.

[Sugus]

Even if this joke would start on the Lakers or Dallas, they still have a superstar and can hide this loser while he's on the floor, while our team full of role players can't really do that.

Oh, every non-superstar player is a loser now? Interesting. Or is he a loser just because he hasn't won a ring? What does that make the rest of the Spurs, then? I'm fully expecting a self-deprecating answer here, so just spit it out, tbh :lol

It's kind of a common thing in the NBA, where stars and superstars make the roleplayers around them better and cohesive, whereas lacking a superstar makes the team very non-achieving and the same roleplayers that would thrive with it, suffer. Surprising that you haven't caught up on this given your account dates all the way back to '06, but I guess some people are slow learners.

Or is the point of this post that Jak is supposed to be the superstar carrying the Spurs? I don't know which one is more laughable, tbh :lol

[Sugus]

Several teams would be interested this summer (trade) or the following by signing him as a FA...Toronto, Charlotte, Chicago, NY, and Detroit in the East and there are nearly as many in the West. That doesn't mean they will all be fighting each other for him but, all of those would have some level of interest either by trade or signing him at $15M.

Max extension this summer is $50.5 over 4 I believe is what Chinook quoted...

You'd be best to note that the same people saying Jakob will command $20M+ a year are the same people bitching on him over it, and saying he's not worth nearly as much as that, when nobody's suggested a "max extension" or close to it, from either side. It's also the same people saying Jakob wouldn't start on any team, which is even more paradoxical - can't start on any team, yet we gotta trade him now, or he'll price us out with $20M/per? :lol

I find solace in knowing it's the same people that laughed at the contract the Spurs signed Jakob to, lauding it a ridiculous overpay (you can go back and check the thread, it's a Google search away), yet now say it's great value and basically the only positive thing about Jak. People just don't know jack about shit nowadays, it's sad.

[TD 21]

Max extension this summer is $50.5 over 4 I believe is what Chinook quoted...

I believe it's 4/$58M.

My sense is he'd accept that if offered.

[BackHome]

I am no a fan of Poodle but he is a legit NBA starter for us and on this team we have only 2 legit NBA starters - Murray and Poodle. I would say this if we paired him with a legit NBA Power Forward someone who could play defense rebound and block shots and had a decent outside game this team would be vastly improved.

Having said that I am always open to trades for the right price and If someone is going to give us something we want/need then by all means trade him. I am high on Walter Kessler 7’1 center from Auburn who I think could replace Poodle after one year in the system if we are able to draft him.

[Dverde]

I think Warriors screwed up big time not trying to swap Wiseman for Poodle. Wiseman not a good fit there. Their championship window about to shut.


https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1505261744960155650?s=21

[John B]

I am no a fan of Poodle but he is a legit NBA starter for us

As well as Cadillac Anderson in a losing Spurs team :wakeup

[ragas]

A thread about a Poeltl Interview with the Austrian media.

https://twitter.com/PoltlFan/status/1526928095747489793

[ragas]

And here's another one (translated by Google)


Jakob Pöltl: Back in Austria.
A month after losing the play-in with the San Antonio Spurs in the National Basketball Association (NBA), Austria's pioneer in Vienna looked back positively on his personally best season so far, which also made him interesting for other teams. The 26-year-old would like to stay in Texas, but wouldn't worry about a trade either. "I know my worth," said the Viennese, who is about to make a comeback in the national team after a four-year break.

The nascent Spurs were defeated in New Orleans in April and missed the playoffs for the third straight year. "I'm not crying after that," said Pöltl when asked about the ongoing postseason, which he has to follow from afar. A play-off participation would also have been a very positive surprise, less surprising was the further development of the 2.16 meter center, who also distinguished himself as a leading player.

“I am satisfied with my personal performance. It was another step in the right direction, but I would like to keep improving," emphasized Pöltl, who set several personal bests in his sixth season: 13.5 points, 9.3 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 29 minutes Playing time – it has never gone so well on average. As far as his future is concerned, Pöltl sees himself well positioned. “I would like to stay in San Antonio, but a trade would not be new to me either. I'm not worried, I think I could make it to other teams in the NBA."

"I was involved in trade talks"
Pöltl has long since made a name for himself in the NBA, with only two players outperforming his 3.9 offensive rebounds per game. At 1.7 blocks, it also ranks in the top five in another category. “There are enough things where I can improve. It's also about becoming more flexible," says Pöltl ambitiously. He has long been an important part of the Spurs, but his strengths have also made him interesting for other teams. In the winter, his name came up around the trade deadline. "I was involved in trade talks," says Pöltl, who, with around eight million euros a year, is one of the low-income regulars in his position.

Pöltl is still under contract with the Spurs for one year, an early contract extension is possible in the near future, as is another trade that took him from Toronto to San Antonio in 2018. "I don't think about it too much now," said Pöltl, who will also increase his salary by 2023 at the latest. The Viennese still feels completely at home in Texas, "I get a lot of minutes, the confidence. That's how I like to play basketball. It's not about teasing out a few million extra for me either."

Although the current phase of the five-time NBA champion could be nicer. "It's normal in the NBA to be in midfield," said Pöltl. "This year the focus was on developing the young team and gaining experience, for example in terms of the play-in." The hopes rest above all on the superstar on the sidelines, legendary coach Gregg Popovich. “I assume he will continue, maybe for a few more years. He still has the energy,” said Pöltl, who has chosen the Golden State Warriors as his favorites this year, about the 73-year-old old champion.

Highlight throw: "Even 'Pop' made a joke"
Apparently it's not about having fun. After his highlight throw of the season, a half-time buzzer beater from the middle line, Pöltl was also a topic of conversation in the Spurs dressing room in the days that followed. "Even 'Pop' made a joke," smiled Pöltl, who also liked to joke. "I knew he was going in." The team chemistry is generally right, which also makes staying attractive.

Perhaps there will soon be Austrian additions to the NBA, with Vorarlberger Luka Brajkovic hoping to be drafted. "He has the talent," says Pöltl, who knows, however, that "a team also needs luck and trust". In another US sport, Bernhard Raimann is a newcomer to the Indianapolis Colts football team. "It would be nice if something developed here too."

Pöltl is happy to be back in Austria for a few weeks, although his luggage is still a long time coming after his arrival on Tuesday. The modest local sports star is less interested in material things anyway. "Seeing friends and family is the best thing." This year, after a two-year pandemic break, the Jakob Pöltl Camp for eight to 14-year-olds is back on the program. “I am really looking forward to the camp taking place again. I just want to have fun with the kids, teach them something."

National team more likely than Oktoberfest
The Austrian Basketball Association (ÖBV) can also look forward to Pöltl's return to the national team. "That's absolutely an issue." At the end of the first round of the pre-qualification for the 2025 European Championship finals, the ÖBV men in Salzburg still meet Ireland (June 30) and Cyprus (July 3). "It looks good," remarked Pöltl. There are still details to be clarified regarding his insurance, but the Spurs and the NBA have pledged their support.

Until then, Pöltl is training and enjoying his time in Vienna, where more and more people are recognizing him. "Every year a little more, but not comparable to San Antonio." On the one hand, that doesn't bother him, on the other hand, the sporting priorities are somewhere else. Pöltl takes this calmly, as well as the hardships in the course of an NBA season. Because of his overseas development, he has to wait with a project because "I've always wanted to go to the Oktoberfest".

[ragas]

Poeltl will play for the Austrian National team today at 13:20 (your time)
Livestream: https://tvthek.orf.at/live/Basketball-Pre-Qualifikation-Euro-2025-Herren-Oesterreich-Irland/14179176

[KingKev]

Spurs need to monetize him this off-season. If you sold high on Murray because you don’t want to pay him you probably should sell high on Jak when his value is near peak. He is going to look much worse on offense without DJ sooon feeding him the ball.

[CGD]

Remember at the deadline there were rumblings the CHI wanted to trade for him using Coby White and that POR 2023 FRP. Seemed like selling low at the time, but may seem reasonable now given his expiring status.

[KingKev]

Remember at the deadline there were rumblings the CHI wanted to trade for him using Coby White and that POR 2023 FRP. Seemed like selling low at the time, but may seem reasonable now given his expiring status.

A far out first and an expiring. Zollins can be tank commander at the 5.

Losing Jak’s defensive presence will shave 5 wins off last years total easily even if Sochan contributes immediately.

[cd98]

Remember at the deadline there were rumblings the CHI wanted to trade for him using Coby White and that POR 2023 FRP. Seemed like selling low at the time, but may seem reasonable now given his expiring status.

His value is tied to supply and demand. I think to most teams he is worth spending 1-2 picks over what it costs to get Ayton or Gobert and he can give you a lot of what they do at a fraction of the cost. There’s probably 4-5 teams in that market.