Lamar Jackson best chance for QB to break rushing record -Vick.

[Fabbs]

Two starts since Flacco went out.
2-0 and looked like where he left off in collage as far as # of rushes and yards.

Vicks advice? Proceed with caution.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25395321/michael-vick-advice-baltimore-ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-proceed-caution

Y'all think Jackson can sustain this? Or will he be yet another quick out of the box rookie QB who flames out fast?

[Pelicans78]

He’s not built to sustain it. But he’s too raw of a pocket passer to make drastic changes to his game.

[benefactor]

:monkey

[Blake]

Vick would know.

[JohnnyZ]

We all see it in every football game at every level. There go the receivers taking the defenders with them, here comes that pass rush and there are those big vacated areas just behind that rush. There is 10/15 yards before the defense can get back. That won't do Eli, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Carr much good but guys like Jackson, Cam, Dak, it's like Moses at the Red Sea.

You build the offense around a 4.3 sprinter at QB. Working off a pass first system, which will spread out a defense, leaving big holes all over the place. Holes a 4.3 guy will thrive in.

15 carries a game and he will need to be a master at the slide. A QB who can out run corner backs is a rarity.

If done right, the guy could put up massive numbers. The first time the guy gets macho (Jimmy G) ya let him know that is a big no no. you slide/out of bounds or hit the bench.

[Darth_Pelican]

We all see it in every football game at every level. There go the receivers taking the defenders with them, here comes that pass rush and Bathere is those big vacated areas just behind that rush. There is 10/15 yards before the defense can get back. That won't do Eli, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Carr much good but guys like Jackson, Cam, Dak, it's like Moses at the Red Sea.

You build the offense around a 4.2 sprinter at QB. Working off a pass first system, which will spread out a defense, leaving big holes all over the place. Holes a 4.2 guy will thrive in.

15 carries a game and he will need to be a master at the slide. A QB who can out run corner backs is a rarity.

If done right, the guy could put up massive numbers.

Injury prone, shorter careers, almost always less accurate passers. I’ll stick with the pocket passers and let the running go to the new age type RBs like Kamara, Hunt, Barkley who can catch passes in space and get those yards without having to worry about my QB taking shots all game.

[JohnnyZ]

Injury prone, shorter careers, almost always less accurate passers. I’ll stick with the pocket passers and let the running go to the new age type RBs like Kamara, Hunt, Barkley who can catch passes in space and get those yards without having to worry about my QB taking shots all game.

I totally agree. BUT....if ya spend a high pick on a mobile/runner QB....why?

[JohnnyZ]

This guy made it work.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Qnk3PNvs4

I know, he was 6-4 225 and more strongly built than Jackson and those defenses nothing like we see today.

[SuperCam]

Already better than Flucco tbh

[JohnnyZ]

Already better than Flucco tbh

No he's not guy.

[JohnnyZ]

From what I'm hearing the guys are all bought in on Jackson in Raven land. If he plays well this week will Flacco ever be back as the starter? I have always though what a guy with amazing speed like a Vick could do exploiting that vacant gap behind the pass rush and in front of the coverage. That will take a guy just like Jackson. I am talking a real effort trying something different.

[Raven]

he looked atrocious and there's no way to sugarcoat it. He's no prospect for anything, he has 0 upside.

[SuperCam]

he looked atrocious and there's no way to sugarcoat it. He's no prospect for anything, he has 0 upside.

You still think Watson isn't a franchise qb either so who cares about your judgement here tbh :lol

[Blake]

From what I'm hearing the guys are all bought in on Jackson in Raven land. If he plays well this week will Flacco ever be back as the starter? I have always though what a guy with amazing speed like a Vick could do exploiting that vacant gap behind the pass rush and in front of the coverage. That will take a guy just like Jackson. I am talking a real effort trying something different.

Vick wasn't "a real effort at trying something different"?

You're a fucking fat boob

[JohnnyZ]

Vick wasn't "a real effort at trying something different"?

You're a fucking fat boob

I'll go slow, you can do this stupid.

The speed of Vick dummy, ok?

Now think idiot, have we ever seen any team make a real point out of working off that vacated gap behind the defensive line and in front of the back defenders? No we haven't to the degree I'm talking about.

Dude, tel us al again how Dwight Clark is a TE, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1069369219731591168

Flucco had no chance after Raven and Avante came out for him tbh

[Raven]

bust.

[Pelicans78]

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1069369219731591168

Flucco had no chance after Raven and Avante came out for him tbh

Dumb considering Jackson has faced three of the worst defenses in football.

[JohnnyZ]

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1069369219731591168

Flucco had no chance after Raven and Avante came out for him tbh

I'm not like the rookies who freak out game to game. I do go with body of work.

BUT....what is your take and I really am curious about the 2018 Cam Newton, the guy was doing the great, what happened?

As far as Jackson goes it way too early to get a real read on the situation.

[Fabbs]

13 rushes for 71 yards.
More good running from Jackson.

KC escaped in OT.

[Blake]

There's a great chance Jackson will break a leg

[Fabbs]

There's a great chance Jackson will break a leg
Or he could be another Vick+.
Had Vick been engaged mentally, and not slacking on preparation and in dog fights he would have been a dynamo.
Still had a few kick ass seasons anyways.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ravens 5-1 since Lamar Jackson took over, only loss coming in OT in Kansas City:wow

[spurraider21]

slim tebow doing slim tebow things.

power run game and elite defense carrying the team. we've seen this before.

[SuperCam]

No he's not guy.


Told ya he was you fat faggot

[HarlemHeat37]

he looked atrocious and there's no way to sugarcoat it. He's no prospect for anything, he has 0 upside.

:lol

[Raven]

:lol
... he was awful. Singlehandedly kept cleveland in the game..

[HarlemHeat37]

... he was awful. Singlehandedly kept cleveland in the game..

They went from a trash team to a playoff team just by putting him in..7-1 as a starter, only loss was against the best team in the conference..

[Raven]

They went from a trash team to a playoff team just by putting him in..7-1 as a starter, only loss was against the best team in the conference..
yeah well, good for him, not hating on a young man earning his pay, but if you're a ravens fan you have to be hating the situation, because it's obvious he'll never be starter material and it will be hard to get rid of him now.

[HarlemHeat37]

yeah well, good for him, not hating on a young man earning his pay, but if you're a ravens fan you have to be hating the situation, because it's obvious he'll never be starter material and it will be hard to get rid of him now.

Do you have the same opinion about Watson as you did before?

[Pelicans78]

yeah well, good for him, not hating on a young man earning his pay, but if you're a ravens fan you have to be hating the situation, because it's obvious he'll never be starter material and it will be hard to get rid of him now.

Dude STFU. It’s obvious you’re a typical Euro racist tard who probably throws bananas on the field during soccer matches. Dumbass.

[Raven]

Do you have the same opinion about Watson as you did before?
My opinion on him was that he was being suicidal out there and that he'd get killed by the end of his rookie contract. So yes, my opinion has changed, he seems far more cautious with his runs, although that may be because I haven't watched much houston this year.

[Raven]

Dude STFU. It’s obvious you’re a typical Euro racist tard who probably throws bananas on the field during soccer matches. Dumbass.
I'm afraid racism is an american thing, it doesn't actually exist in europe. People like to talk about it more than anything, really.

[Will Hunting]

Can someone translate the title of this thread to English pls?

[MultiTroll]

Can someone translate the title of this thread to English pls?
Michael Vick, a great running QB in his own right and holder of the single season record (1039) thinks L Jackson has the best chance to beat his record.

Damn near did this season.

Is that slow enough for you?

[spurraider21]

Do you have the same opinion about Watson as you did before?
watson has proven to be a capable passer... slim tebow is still playing exclusively read-option and RPO stuff. they also have an elite defense. there's still a ton of uncertainty about jackson's long term NFL prospects imo

[Chinook]

http://theundefeated.com/features/lamar-jackson-and-the-rise-of-black-quarterbacks-in-the-nfl/

Nice article on Jackson, though it does get into platitudes a bit much. There's a lot in there that some non-minorities wouldn't really identify with, but the basic idea that the NFL game is becoming more friendly to "monkey-ball" or at least to shorter QBs who run way more than the previous generation is salient. For years now, the NCAA has had little incentive to develop a style of play that works well to prepare players for the pros. Now, pro teams are just adding in more college concepts to make it easier to find success. Now we need the rules to catch up to where this style of play is more advantageous (and since the NFL wants offenses to win, this will happen if enough teams run this style), and we also need to whole mentality of what it means to be a QB to adapt. I can't see a guy like Jackson playing until he's 37-40 like some QBs are nowadays. I think his shelf life is early 30s, with the last couple of years being post-prime. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but in today's league, QBs get paid huge bucks and are seen as foundations rather than engines. If a foundation is compromised, it could mean tearing down the house. If an engine wonks out, you can just replace it and keep going.

If a team focused on developing running quarterbacks and kept a stable of three or four on the roster, the injury concern wouldn't be as big of a deal. Like sure, only Jackson is going to be Jackson. But you could run a lot of the same concepts with Griffin or Josh Johnson or Tyrod Taylor. It's not as effective, but how many backups are as good as the starters anyway? Pay QBs as the replaceable parts they would be in this system and give that money to the lineman, who are as close to foundational as anyone in this system. The players would still get big deals, but they'd be comparable to skill-positions players rather than the current idea of getting almost double what elite RBs and WRs get.

[spurraider21]

http://theundefeated.com/features/lamar-jackson-and-the-rise-of-black-quarterbacks-in-the-nfl/

Nice article on Jackson, though it does get into platitudes a bit much. There's a lot in there that some non-minorities wouldn't really identify with, but the basic idea that the NFL game is becoming more friendly to "monkey-ball" or at least to shorter QBs who run way more than the previous generation is salient. For years now, the NCAA has had little incentive to develop a style of play that works well to prepare players for the pros. Now, pro teams are just adding in more college concepts to make it easier to find success. Now we need the rules to catch up to where this style of play is more advantageous (and since the NFL wants offenses to win, this will happen if enough teams run this style), and we also need to whole mentality of what it means to be a QB to adapt. I can't see a guy like Jackson playing until he's 37-40 like some QBs are nowadays. I think his shelf life is early 30s, with the last couple of years being post-prime. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but in today's league, QBs get paid huge bucks and are seen as foundations rather than engines. If a foundation is compromised, it could mean tearing down the house. If an engine wonks out, you can just replace it and keep going.

If a team focused on developing running quarterbacks and kept a stable of three or four on the roster, the injury concern wouldn't be as big of a deal. Like sure, only Jackson is going to be Jackson. But you could run a lot of the same concepts with Griffin or Josh Johnson or Tyrod Taylor. It's not as effective, but how many backups are as good as the starters anyway? Pay QBs as the replaceable parts they would be in this system and give that money to the lineman, who are as close to foundational as anyone in this system. The players would still get big deals, but they'd be comparable to skill-positions players rather than the current idea of getting almost double what elite RBs and WRs get.
this is such a seemingly obvious points that many teams seem to ignore. even for teams with pocket passers as starters... its mind boggling to see teams have backups that play so differently from the starter. it makes no sense to me tbh, as it throws a whole wrench into your offense that suddenly has to play so different. going from flacco to lamar worked out, but in the event of a midgame injury, you want that continuity.

its why it would have made a lot of sense for a team like carolina to bring along kaepernick as a backup, instead of whatever doofus they have backing cam up this year. i was frustrated with the raiders carrying EJ Manuel last year as Carr's backup. not because Manuel was abominably bad (he was bad, but was acceptable as a backup in his limited action), but because the offense had to completely change character. its why Jimmy G worked well as Brady's backup.

[benefactor]

Raven is a chick iirc

[Isitjustme?]

watson has proven to be a capable passer... slim tebow is still playing exclusively read-option and RPO stuff. they also have an elite defense. there's still a ton of uncertainty about jackson's long term NFL prospects imo

Which one is slim tebow?

[spurraider21]

Which one is slim tebow?
Lamar

[florige]

Lamar reminds me more of a slightly better Kordell Stewart verses a Michael Vick. Vick was fairly accurate as a pocket passer. Lamar has shown flashes, but some of his passes are Tebowish.

[FrostKing]

Lol. Benching Super Bowl winner for this scrub

[FrostKing]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Lamar_jackson_ravens_camp_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/250px-Lamar_jackson_ravens_camp_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg

[Spurtacular]

I don't know if it is Cower or Boomer that said it that the Ravens would move on from Flacco and go with Tavaris. I saw Phil Simms just shaking his head with a look like wtf are you thinking? :lol

[SuperCam]

I don't know if it is Cower or Boomer that said it that the Ravens would move on from Flacco and go with Tavaris. I saw Phil Simms just shaking his head with a look like wtf are you thinking? :lol

playoff tds last 6 years:

lamar 2
flucco 0

[Spurtacular]

playoff tds last 6 years:

lamar 2
flucco 0

Guy who had a SB run, throwing for 300+ yds in each game leading a WC team > Tavaris Jackson II

But for what it's worth, Flacco may only have two-three good years left; Ravens not risking too much. They gonna be QB shopping soon enough either way.

[vander]

playoff tds last 6 years:

lamar 2
flucco 0

lol those were garbage TDs after the chargers took their foot off the gas

disgraceful that Baltimore made the playoffs with that level of QB play.

[Will Hunting]

playoff tds last 6 years:

lamar 2
flucco 0
What the fuck are you talking about? Flacco has 6 touchdowns in the 2014 playoffs, that’s less than 6 years ago you stupid fucking chimp.

[Ghazi]

What the fuck are you talking about? Flacco has 6 touchdowns in the 2014 playoffs, that’s less than 6 years ago you stupid fucking chimp.

:lol

[TheCultOfPersonality]

lol those were garbage TDs after the chargers took their foot off the gas

disgraceful that Baltimore made the playoffs with that level of QB play.
Blame the Steelers for not being able to beat the Raiders.

[Chinook]

Blame the Steelers for not being able to beat the Raiders.

Would have still made the playoffs and gone against the Texans.

[Darth_Pelican]

What the fuck are you talking about? Flacco has 6 touchdowns in the 2014 playoffs, that’s less than 6 years ago you stupid fucking chimp.
:lmao

[Chinook]

I didn't like the game plan today. If dime packages could stop running plays consistently, teams would never use heavy personnel. The response to that type of lineup should have been to play six offensive linemen a full-back and TEs and run the ball down their throats. You can't have a rush-only offense but only rush one way.

They'll need to invest in offensive linemen this spring if they intend to keep trying this offense. Yanda is elite still, but he's clearly older. Stanley and Brown are fine prospects, but they still need development. The two others guys should be upgraded. Once they move on from Flacco, they should have very little money committed to the offense as a whole and a ton of cap space to fix that. Put that money into a line. Draft a receiver who can fit Jackson's strengths. Obviously work with Jackson to improve his passing skills, but don't fall into the trap of trying to make him a pocket-passer. Embrace the low scoring and shortened career that comes with a rushing QB and running offense. Just make sure you do whatever you can to help that succeed.

[Clipper Nation]

playoff tds last 6 years:

lamar 2*
flucco 0
*against prevent defense from a team that was clearly coasting.

Now let's compare rings, Super Bowl MVPs, career playoff wins, and game-losing fumbles to choke the season away next.

[Will Hunting]

*against prevent defense from a team that was clearly coasting.

Now let's compare rings, Super Bowl MVPs, career playoff wins, and game-losing fumbles to choke the season away next.
His numbers are wrong either way, Flacco has had 6 playoff touchdowns in the last 6 years.

[Clipper Nation]

His numbers are wrong either way, Flacco has had 6 playoff touchdowns in the last 6 years.

Of course, I'm just saying that the stats he's bragging about with Lamar were all against a prevent defense. With six minutes to go, he had negative passing yards and a 0 QB rating.

[Spurtacular]

Of course, I'm just saying that the stats he's bragging about with Lamar were all against a prevent defense. With six minutes to go, he had negative passing yards and a 0 QB rating.

Negative passing yards through 3 1/2 quarters. That's impressive; that's just hard to do. :lol

[spurraider21]

I didn't like the game plan today. If dime packages could stop running plays consistently, teams would never use heavy personnel. The response to that type of lineup should have been to play six offensive linemen a full-back and TEs and run the ball down their throats. You can't have a rush-only offense but only rush one way.

They'll need to invest in offensive linemen this spring if they intend to keep trying this offense. Yanda is elite still, but he's clearly older. Stanley and Brown are fine prospects, but they still need development. The two others guys should be upgraded. Once they move on from Flacco, they should have very little money committed to the offense as a whole and a ton of cap space to fix that. Put that money into a line. Draft a receiver who can fit Jackson's strengths. Obviously work with Jackson to improve his passing skills, but don't fall into the trap of trying to make him a pocket-passer. Embrace the low scoring and shortened career that comes with a rushing QB and running offense. Just make sure you do whatever you can to help that succeed.
running reverses?

[Chinook]

running reverses?

No. I get that you're whole hog on this idea that Jackson is Tebow, but even Tebow had a guy like Thomas who fit with him. Jackson's going to need big, strong guys who can out-muscle DBs to get poorly thrown balls like Mike Evans was to Johnny Manziel. Also wouldn't hurt if that receiver could block well enough to help outside runs.

Just because you don't think Jackson can throw doesn't mean the Ravens have to continue to rely on misdirection rushing plays. Working in more traditional sets relying on play-action also work. Not every team that's relied on a rushing attack has done so with a running QB.

[Duke Knowledge]

Jackson has the wheels. This was never the question. But can he get the passing side of the game down? Baltimore has put themselves in a potentially bad spot for years to come if they are rolling with this dude and he can't improve on throwing the ball.

[Will Hunting]

Jackson has the wheels. This was never the question. But can he get the passing side of the game down? Baltimore has put themselves in a potentially bad spot for years to come if they are rolling with this dude and he can't improve on throwing the ball.
These Avante imposters are awful.

[FrostKing]

The Ravens fans booing Jackson were racist

[SpursforSix]

The Ravens fans booing Jackson were racist

They were booing the white coach tbh

[spurraider21]

No. I get that you're whole hog on this idea that Jackson is Tebow, but even Tebow had a guy like Thomas who fit with him. Jackson's going to need big, strong guys who can out-muscle DBs to get poorly thrown balls like Mike Evans was to Johnny Manziel. Also wouldn't hurt if that receiver could block well enough to help outside runs.

Just because you don't think Jackson can throw doesn't mean the Ravens have to continue to rely on misdirection rushing plays. Working in more traditional sets relying on play-action also work. Not every team that's relied on a rushing attack has done so with a running QB.
He's a much better runner than Tebow, but honestly I'm not sure who the better passer was. It's not even his throwing ability (he has a much better arm and release than Tebow), he just looks incredibly uncomfortable every time a pass play is called.

I think trying to build around the run like they're doing is a lost cause. They need a much more talented running back group to make that happen. Maybe splurging on Bell. And as you said earlier, re-investing in the offensive line. I'm just skeptical it's going to work out unless we see a transformational change from jackson.

[florige]

He's a much better runner than Tebow, but honestly I'm not sure who the better passer was. It's not even his throwing ability (he has a much better arm and release than Tebow), he just looks incredibly uncomfortable every time a pass play is called.

I think trying to build around the run like they're doing is a lost cause. They need a much more talented running back group to make that happen. Maybe splurging on Bell. And as you said earlier, re-investing in the offensive line. I'm just skeptical it's going to work out unless we see a transformational change from jackson.


I don't think the Ravens are going to do this. I think they were just trying to play to his strengths by it being his rookie year and not have him do too much out of his comfort zone. The original plan was to sit Jackson for a year behind Flacco this year and maybe just have him in on special packages. Flacco went down and they had to go with Jackson. I'm not so sure that the Ravens thought that he would had been as successful as he was with this running attack. In all actuality this style of play almost had them undefeated during the regular season had it not been for a fluke Mahones 4 and 13 toss up in KC. I fully expect during the off season for the Ravens to work on his passing. I think he will get better, but the only thing that worries me about Jackson is his accuracy because that's really not something you can teach someone.

[Blake]

There have been a lot of Lamar Jacksons over the years and way more often than not, they last one or two years and then fizzle out.

Either defenses catch up to them after watching lots of game tape or they get their legs bent backwards like Cowboy receivers.

[spurraider21]

There have been a lot of Lamar Jacksons over the years and way more often than not, they last one or two years and then fizzle out.

Either defenses catch up to them after watching lots of game tape or they get their legs bent backwards like Cowboy receivers.
but he's really fast

[Chinook]

There have been a lot of Lamar Jacksons over the years and way more often than not, they last one or two years and then fizzle out.

Either defenses catch up to them after watching lots of game tape or they get their legs bent backwards like Cowboy receivers.

There really haven't been a lot of Jacksons though. He's more than just a running QB (he is a decent pocket-passer by the numbers), but even if he were just a running QB, he'd pretty unique there. He's obviously really fast, but he's also really agile and has tremendous vision. His frame wouldn't let him hold up as a running back, but he'd be a top returner in the league, I think. That wasn't really the case with guys like Young, RGIII, Troy Smith and Tyrod Taylor. Yesterday was easily the most I've seen Jackson scramble. Most of the time (like 80 percent) he runs, it's a designed play. Only QB that I can think of where a legit part of the offense was designed runs was Vick, but even then he was much more of a scrambler and still didn't run nearly as much. RGIII had his read-option plays, but that was also a different offense than the Ravens ran (they didn't actually run the read-option much at all, despite the stereotype).

Jackson's apparently tiny hands worry me a lot more going forward than any of his passing skills. Dude has killer fumbles in both of his losses. He did a great job at limiting his interceptions recently, but the fumbles will be killers going forward, especially the non-contact ones.

[Blake]

There really haven't been a lot of Jacksons though. He's more than just a running QB...

Stopped reading here.

Sorry but at this point, no.

[Fabbs]

Local radio today quoting a media source that said Chargers players knew if it was going to be a Ravens rush or pass by the way the offensive linemen had their feet. An obvious tell.

That would be on Harbaugh.

[Chinook]

Stopped reading here.

Sorry but at this point, no.

You should really keep reading, because that's not the point of the post.

[Blake]

You should really keep reading, because that's not the point of the post.

Neh, I bet your bottom line is that he'll be a decent qb in the long term.

My bottom line is that he'll probably be finished as a starter by 2021.... Or sooner.

[Chinook]

Neh, I bet your bottom line is that he'll be a decent qb in the long term.

My bottom line is that he'll probably be finished as a starter by 2021.... Or sooner.

Has nothing to do with what I said. Thinking that he'll fail is completely separate from thinking he's the same as other running QBs.

[Blake]

Has nothing to do with what I said. Thinking that he'll fail is completely separate from thinking he's the same as other running QBs.

He's the same as other running QBs in that a running QB in the NFL in the long run is a fail.

If they keep designing runs for him, they're gonna get him killed.

[Chinook]

He's the same as other running QBs in that a running QB in the NFL in the long run is a fail.

If they keep designing runs for him, they're gonna get him killed.

There have been running QBs who've played decade-plus careers in the NFL.

Regardless, as I said upthread, the shortened careers doesn't have to be an issue so long as the team goes into it with that in mind and doesn't put the same value on them as they would traditional QBs.

[Blake]

There have been running QBs who've played decade-plus careers in the NFL.

Regardless, as I said upthread, the shortened careers doesn't have to be an issue so long as the team goes into it with that in mind and doesn't put the same value on them as they would traditional QBs.

Yeah there have been a few but they were the exception not the typical

[Chinook]

Yeah there have been a few but they were the exception not the typical

True. And Jackson being smaller doesn't help. His longevity depends pretty heavily on him not just being a pocket-passer but being one that can get the ball out quickly. I just think from the Ravens' perspective, they don't have to look at Jackson as a 10-year guy. If they get 4-7 good years from him, that well worth a late-first. It's going to be on them to develop him and create a roster to support him.

[SuperCam]

yeah well, good for him, not hating on a young man earning his pay, but if you're a ravens fan you have to be hating the situation, because it's obvious he'll never be starter material and it will be hard to get rid of him now.


getting bukkak'd by LAMAR just like you did by Watson :lmao :lmao :lmao

[spurraider21]

getting bukkak'd by LAMAR just like you did by Watson :lmao :lmao :lmao
:lmao Cam

[Raven]

getting bukkak'd by LAMAR just like you did by Watson :lmao :lmao :lmao

lol, i don't think anyone is buying it

[MultiTroll]

3-2

50 rushes for 306 yds =6.2 ave. Not too snabby. 2 fumbles, not good but certainly on par with other NFL starters.
65% passing, 1,200 yards.

Don be hatin.

Flacco not the problem with Denver but certainly not tearing it up. Solid let go by Baltimore at this point. Had a completely retarded INT near the endzone. Only the Chargers more stupid Phillip bailed him out.

[MultiTroll]

6-2

61 yards vs Pattycakes.
639 total for 80/gm average. Well on his way to beating Vicks record.

[DAF86]

lol, i don't think anyone is buying it

Now you did get bukkaked by Lamar, tbh.

[DAF86]

7capE0Y30Cs&app=desktop

[phxspurfan]

Not as fast as Vick but a damn elusive running back

[MultiTroll]

yeah well, good for him, not hating on a young man earning his pay, but if you're a ravens fan you have to be hating the situation, because it's obvious he'll never be starter material and it will be hard to get rid of him now.
https://holdmyticket-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/v1453405141/uploads/cms/2lic1xxkji8ey0araj66.jpg
I like to play Toms flute.

there there Ravey

[MultiTroll]

‹In Sunday's 49-13 rout of the winless Cincinnati Bengals, Jackson became the second player in NFL history to produce a perfect passer rating (158.3) in multiple games in a single season. The only other player to do so was Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who had two in 2007.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ravens/status/1193930271369895936

[Trill Clinton]

epic thread

[FrostKing]

Ravens should sign Kaepernick

[MultiTroll]

1039 Vicks record
702 Jackson after 9 games
338 to break record

[MultiTroll]

:monkey
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/b8/bf/fdb8bfc933f83fb92ab294f38473ca90.jpg


LJackson and the Ravens about to deliver a Baltimore Buttramming on you.

[resistanze]

Yikes at the takes in this thread :lol

[FrostKing]

Badly needs a haircut

[DAF86]

Badly needs a haircut

I have to side with the racist here. That afro doesn't look like it belongs on his head.

[IronMexican]

Some real bad takes itt.


Never thought I'd live.to see the day that can be had a good one, but here we are.

[FrostKing]

Ravens should sign Kaepernick

Put Jackson at RB and Ingram at FB

[Spurtacular]

Baltimore looks good. If they play like last night, then even New England being spotted another home field advantage won't be enough.

[Spurtacular]

Ravens should sign Kaepernick

Put Jackson at RB and Ingram at FB

:lol No.

[Spurtacular]

Good on Jackson. Get Dog Killer off the books.

[spurraider21]

if you separated lamar's passing stats and rushing stats he'd still be a top 12 fantasy QB and a top 12 fantasy RB this year

[MultiTroll]

Baltimore looks good. If they play like last night, then even New England being spotted another home field advantage won't be enough.
We were just speculating about PatsRef involvement should Giselle and company face a superior Baltimore team.
Just when you thought you'd seen it all. Two *tripping* penalties.

[Spurtacular]

We were just speculating about PatsRef involvement should Giselle and company face a superior Baltimore team.
Just when you thought you'd seen it all. Two *tripping* penalties.

When were the tripping penalties? What game?

[JoeTait75]

Ravens should sign Kaepernick

Well, they would've, but Kaep had to cock that up for himself. He'd fit in well as Jackson's backup, though.


Put Jackson at RB and Ingram at FB

God, no. Jackson is already a better passer than Kaep ever was.

[DAF86]

Why are folks answering seriously to the racist's troll comment? :lol

[SuperCam]

Another GW drive :wow

[DAF86]

Dude had the Niners defense fooled all game. They never figured out when he was going to keep the ball and run it himself. If it wasn't for that fumble, Ravens probably would have won more comfortably.

[spurraider21]

at this point you just always have to have the edge play contain even if jackson has handed it off 4-5 straight times. letting him run for 15 yards outside is so much worse than having the RB get 6-7 yards. plus theres the potential for your nose tackle and linebackers to make a play inside. when the edge blows outside coverage, there's no chance of anybody making a play.

[MultiTroll]

Dude had the Niners defense fooled all game. They never figured out when he was going to keep the ball and run it himself. If it wasn't for that fumble, Ravens probably would have won more comfortably.
Yep I agree. That fumble gives Ravens tons of momentum. A correctable mistake by Jackson. He knew he blew it right away. Glad it happened in a W.

I foresee PatsRef making a huge appearance.

[Robz4000]

Wrong thread

[MultiTroll]

10-2

1039 Vicks record
977 Jackson after 12 games
62 to break record

[FrostKing]

Dude had the Niners defense fooled all game. They never figured out when he was going to keep the ball and run it himself. If it wasn't for that fumble, Ravens probably would have won more comfortably.
Ravens scored 3 points in the 2nd Half. Jackson had a couple nice runs to go along with his 105 passing yards.

Edit: not sure if you watched the game but 49ers fumbled on their own 23 yard line. Ravens had 1 Touchdown drive the entire game.....

[DAF86]

Ravens scored 3 points in the 2nd Half. Jackson had a couple nice runs to go along with his 105 passing yards.

Edit: not sure if you watched the game but 49ers fumbled on their own 23 yard line. Ravens had 1 Touchdown drive the entire game.....

Yes, I watched the entire game. Jackson fumbled the ball when the Ravens were rolling to a 4th straight scoring drive. That fumble changed the momentum of the game. Jackson protects the ball there and it's probably a 20 pts win for the Ravens.

[FrostKing]

Yes, I watched the entire game. Jackson fumbled the ball when the Ravens were rolling to a 4th straight scoring drive. That fumble changed the momentum of the game. Jackson protects the ball there and it's probably a 20 pts win for the Ravens.
Jimmy fumbled the ball when the 49ers were rolling to a 14-0 lead. That fumble changed the momentum of the game.

Gould makes the field goal before halftime and it's probably a 20 pts win for the 49ers

[DAF86]

Jimmy fumbled the ball when the 49ers were rolling to a 14-0 lead. That fumble changed the momentum of the game.

"Rolling to a 14-0 lead" :lmao They were on their own 20 yds. Didn't even get a 1st down on that drive, I think. :lol


Gould makes the field goal before halftime and it's probably a 20 pts win for the 49ers

:lol

Look, I'm not trying to say the Ravens were all that much better than the Niners, just that Lamar had the Niners defense dominated there for while. Ever since their second drive of the game, up to that fumble, Lamar and the Ravens' offense were doing whatever they wanted with them.

[FrostKing]

"Rolling to a 14-0 lead" :lmao They were on their own 20 yds. Didn't even get a 1st down on that drive, I think. :lol



:lol

Look, I'm not trying to say the Ravens were all that much better than the Niners, just that Lamar had the Niners defense dominated there for while. Ever since their second drive of the game, up to that fumble, Lamar and the Ravens' offense were doing whatever they wanted with them.
Ravens had a couple big highlight runs but for the most part the 49ers planned worked - 20 points

49ers offense was able to move the ball on the ground and thru the air. Which the Ravens were not.

I think the Ravens did a great job milking the clock and keeping the 49ers offense off the field. But looking at tbe entire body of work and not just highlights on ESPN - 49ers were the superior team. A rematch on neutral field without rain is likely a double digit victory for SF

In the playoffs I expect defenses to take the gloves off and hit Jackson especially when he runs the option. Yesterday the 49ers only hit Jackson a couple times - and were flagged each time (once picked up) but that is a discussion for another time. In the playoffs teams won't baby Jackson and will stomach the flag & 15 yards if needed.

[DAF86]

Ravens had a couple big highlight runs but for the most part the 49ers planned worked - 20 points

49ers offense was able to move the ball on the ground and thru the air. Which the Ravens were not.

I think the Ravens did a great job milking the clock and keeping the 49ers offense off the field. But looking at tbe entire body of work and not just highlights on ESPN - 49ers were the superior team. A rematch on neutral field without rain is likely a double digit victory for SF

In the playoffs I expect defenses to take the gloves off and hit Jackson especially when he runs the option. Yesterday the 49ers only hit Jackson a couple times - and were flagged each time (once picked up) but that is a discussion for another time. In the playoffs teams won't baby Jackson and will stomach the flag & 15 yards if needed.

As an impartial viewer, I think the Ravens dominated most of the game. That's why they dominated time of possession and had 6 more 1st downs. And, like I said, I think the difference would have been bigger if not for that Jackson fumble when the Ravens were getting deep into another scoring drive.

[FrostKing]

As an impartial viewer, I think the Ravens dominated most of the game. That's why they dominated time of possession and had 6 more 1st downs. And, like I said, I think the difference would have been bigger if not for that Jackson fumble when the Ravens were getting deep into another scoring drive.
Yes rushing teams usually lead in those two statistics

49ers had nearly 2 more yards per play (1.3 more yards per carry)

49ers committed double the penalties

Time of possession was only a 5 minute gap.

49ers illustrated yesterday they are versatile and capable of big strikes. Ravens have so little room for error because they have a 4 yard offense.....

[DAF86]

Yes rushing teams usually lead in those two statistics

49ers had nearly 2 more yards per play (1.3 more yards per carry)

49ers committed double the penalties

Time of possession was only a 5 minute gap.

49ers illustrated yesterday they are versatile and capable of big strikes. Ravens have so little room for error because they have a 4 yard offense.....

I saw it the other way around. Ravens, even not playing their best game (Lamar has proven to be a much better aerial threat than what he was vs the Niners) still managed to dominate most of the game, while the Niners managed to stay on the game thanks to big (maybe even flukey) plays, like they had in their two touchdowns: a 30+ plus yds pass in 4th and 1 and the other a similar yardage run by their backup running back.

[florige]

I saw it the other way around. Ravens, even not playing their best game (Lamar has proven to be a much better aerial threat than what he was vs the Niners) still managed to dominate most of the game, while the Niners managed to stay on the game thanks to big (maybe even flukey) plays, like they had in their two touchdowns: a 30+ plus yds pass in 4th and 1 and the other a similar yardage run by their backup running back.


Not trying to make excuses for the Ravens but this was their defense first real game playing in the elements. I think on a clear day the 49ers don't run all over them and the Ravens would had gotten more pressure on Jimmy than they did. Even Lamar looked sorta off this game. The 49ers had already played a game this year in the pouring rain against the worthless Redskins.

[Darth_Pelican]

:lol

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/49ers-suspend-broadcaster-Tim-Ryan-for-saying-14882642.php

[MultiTroll]

:lol

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/49ers-suspend-broadcaster-Tim-Ryan-for-saying-14882642.php
True?
Baseball has long known dark background makes ball much easier to see.
Snowflake USA has to be p.c. on everything.

[FrostKing]

Lamar Jackson is winning the MVP

Would you rank him Top 5 at his position? In my 25+ years of Professional Sports knowledge, I cannot think of another time where the MVP of the sport was not even Top 5 at his own position. The only other example would be Westbrook and he was a Top 5 guard.

[MultiTroll]

#1 thus far this season. Easily.

[Trill Clinton]

:lol

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/49ers-suspend-broadcaster-Tim-Ryan-for-saying-14882642.php

white people smh

[Mark Celibate]

:lol

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/49ers-suspend-broadcaster-Tim-Ryan-for-saying-14882642.php

obviously it's kind of a dumb thing to say, but definitely not worth a suspension. There was no ill intent on that smh

[FrostKing]

#1 thus far this season. Easily.
If I picked a random team in the NFL but allowed you to fantasy pick any QB for the playoff run - you'd take Jackson?

[spurraider21]

he did it

[FrostKing]

Russel Westbrook of the NFL

[DAF86]

Russel Westbrook of the NFL

Except, you know, for the fact that Jackson has a winning impact on his team, tbh.

[SuperCam]

Russel Westbrook of the NFL

I guess that makes Jimmy wop the David Lee of the NFL

[FrostKing]

I guess that makes Jimmy wop the David Lee of the NFL
Klay Thompson would be more realistic

[Bill_Brasky]

Russel Westbrook of the NFL

:lol big mad

[DAF86]

Yes rushing teams usually lead in those two statistics

49ers had nearly 2 more yards per play (1.3 more yards per carry)

49ers committed double the penalties

Time of possession was only a 5 minute gap.

49ers illustrated yesterday they are versatile and capable of big strikes. Ravens have so little room for error because they have a 4 yard offense.....

"Too one dimensional" "4 yds offense"

2 TD's with 5 throws in 1:50 minutes. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGRWwFhBYWE

[florige]

"Too one dimensional" "4 yds offense"

2 TD's with 5 throws in 1:50 minutes. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGRWwFhBYWE


The only two teams left that worry me are the Chiefs and the Saints. The Chiefs have Spag's who I am sure could throw different looks out there that could slow down Lamar.

[FrostKing]

The only two teams left that worry me are the Chiefs and the Saints. The Chiefs have Spag's who I am sure could throw different looks out there that could slow down Lamar.
Black players on Defense won't go easy on Lamar in the playoffs like they did in the regular season. Fortunately for Baltimore they have 1 tough (home) game before the Super Bowl.

[MultiTroll]

11th career 100+ rushing game. Ties Vick.

113 rush
239 pass

Ravens 36 Chiefs 35
Oh but Kansas City fumbled thus blowing Mahomes and their possible game winning field goal?
Ha! As far as team mates costing wins welcome to Lamar Jacksons world.

[Blake]

Superior running QB/barely average passing QB.

If you can make him one dimensional, you'll probably win the game.

[MultiTroll]

Pssssh

If you can keep his GM and ownership providing butterfingered receivers on the roster you'll have a much better playoff chance.

[MultiTroll]

Superior running QB/barely average passing QB.

If you can make him one dimensional, you'll probably win the game.
37/43 442 4 tds.
60 rushing including huge 1st down near the goal line in OT

Best record after this many starts since Dan Marino. With a below average team.

[Blake]

His 4th 300 yard game, 2nd this year. That was an incredible MVP performance. Maybe he's finally turned a corner in his passing ability.

[DAF86]

His 4th 300 yard game, 2nd this year. That was an incredible MVP performance. Maybe he's finally turned a corner in his passing ability.

I thought he was figured out last season, son. What happened? :wakeup

[Blake]

I thought he was figured out last season, son. What happened? :wakeup

Yeah he looked terrific in the playoffs last year against the Bills huh

[Chinook]

Yeah he looked terrific in the playoffs last year against the Bills huh

Did you see Mahommes play them this year? The Bills are terrifying

[Blake]

Did you see Mahommes play them this year? The Bills are terrifying

Definitely SB contenders at this point. They used the same defense scheme against St Patrick that the Bucs used.

[Chinook]

It should be said that Jackson isn't close to healthy right now. Whatever's going on with his back has hampered his running ability. This game's probably different if Lamar had more ability to escape pressure. He also fumbled in large part because he didn't have the speed to just walk in. I'm not sure if his back will be able to heal during the season or if this is just what he's going to be like.

[spurraider21]

hopefully brian daboll is one of the frontrunners for the raiders HC gig

[MultiTroll]

It should be said that Jackson isn't close to healthy right now. Whatever's going on with his back has hampered his running ability. This game's probably different if Lamar had more ability to escape pressure. He also fumbled in large part because he didn't have the speed to just walk in. I'm not sure if his back will be able to heal during the season or if this is just what he's going to be like.

That is very bad news but explains what i was seeing with his reluctance to run / lack of burst.
Could, most likely will be a difference maker in the playoffs.

Did you also have major disappointment turned into joy as the Indy fg miss was preceded by Tavon Young falling for the high school level baiting to turn Indys 2nd and 20 from their own 38 into automatic 1st down at their own 48? A depressing few minutes for me.

[MultiTroll]

The Ravens should recruit this guy for WR.
Stayed in bounds too. :clap
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[MultiTroll]

It should be said that Jackson isn't close to healthy right now. Whatever's going on with his back has hampered his running ability. This game's probably different if Lamar had more ability to escape pressure. He also fumbled in large part because he didn't have the speed to just walk in. I'm not sure if his back will be able to heal during the season or if this is just what he's going to be like.
51 more vs Chargers. Jackson 7th overall in NFL rushing, still #1 in yards per carry. :lol
The 22 yarder to break Chargers pass coverage was great.
Looked a little bit less injury hampered.

Bateman as a new WR. Not impressed at all. Can only get better so hoping it was 1st game jitters.

[MultiTroll]

88 yards
40 more called back due to a holding penalty.

3 pivotal plays that cost the Ravens in their loss to the Bengals - Baltimore Beatdown (https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2021/10/25/22743725/3-pivotal-plays-that-cost-the-ravens-in-their-loss-to-the-bengals-nfl)

And this: Missed it. Say it ain't so.


Ty’Son Williams — Get up the field. It’s 4th & 15 and Williams’ had a lane to get the first down. He instead, watched Jackson shift around, planted his feet and went out of bounds early on a 4th down catch...

[Blake]

He had 12 carries. The starting RB had 4.

Is that really the game plan?

[MultiTroll]

He had 12 carries. The starting RB had 4.

Is that really the game plan?
The other RBs carried 12 times. Its RB by committee now.

Dude Baltimore just set the rushing record.
Now do i like their playcalling? No.
But to give the run to your best "backfield" player is a good strategy.

1. Ravens receivers still are subpar.
2. They are never going to be a media darling. Brady or Mahomes bust a 40 yard run? You can bet there will NEVER be an offensive hold called. Ok just fantacise Bradys running.
3. Ravens D got absolutely shredded.

Also see above for Harbaughs decision not to have Mr. Automatic kick a fg. Twice.

[Blake]

The other RBs carried 12 times. Its RB by committee now.

Well yeah, Lamar = 12 carries, everyone else combined including WR jet sweeps = 12 carries. What is that? Is that really their game plan?



Dude Baltimore just set the rushing record.
Now do i like their playcalling? No.
But to give the run to your best "backfield" player is a good strategy.

1. Ravens receivers still are subpar.
2. They are never going to be a media darling. Brady or Mahomes bust a 40 yard run? You can bet there will NEVER be an offensive hold called. Ok just fantacise Bradys running.
3. Ravens D got absolutely shredded.

Also see above for Harbaughs decision not to have Mr. Automatic kick a fg. Twice.

Jackson won an MVP. I'm not sure you can get any more media darling than that.

[MultiTroll]

Jackson won an MVP. I'm not sure you can get any more media darling than that.
Please. Let me know when he starts getting completely bogus PI calls.

As to the running backs, they had like 3 get injured in a short time. They ran very well last week but laid a total egg yesterday vs Bengals.
Not sure if Super Jacksons back is 100% yet.

[MultiTroll]

It should be said that Jackson isn't close to healthy right now. Whatever's going on with his back has hampered his running ability. This game's probably different if Lamar had more ability to escape pressure. He also fumbled in large part because he didn't have the speed to just walk in. I'm not sure if his back will be able to heal during the season or if this is just what he's going to be like.
Should either of these malcontent / diva's be considered by the Ravens on the trade wire? (or any other team)

DeShaun Jackson
Odell Beckham Junior

[Chinook]

Should either of these malcontent / diva's be considered by the Ravens on the trade wire? (or any other team)

DeShaun Jackson
Odell Beckham Junior

I actually think his receiving corps is above average. It's young, but the guys have talent. I wouldn't trade for either guy, though DeSean could be a good value add.

[MultiTroll]

NFL record 12th career 100+ rushing game.

15 rushes of at least 5 yards, the most by any player in a single game this season.
5.7 yds per rush to boot. 120 on 21 carries.

[MultiTroll]

I actually think his receiving corps is above average. It's young, but the guys have talent. I wouldn't trade for either guy, though DeSean could be a good value add.
Still seem too inconsistent.
One thing that has to change if they want a snowballs chance to make the Finals is stupid penalties.
Both potential game winning drives in regulation and OT were derailed by absolute retard UNforced penalties. (Then the Lamar mega brain fart INT, i know.)
Twice they were well in range of Super Tuckers distance and got penalized backwards. Shit's gotta stop. Ravens margin for error is not much vs better teams.

Worried the Ravens are going to continue to put way too much on LJacksons shoulders. Stand around and wait for him to bust another of his historic runs.
If the dropped passes continue in the playoffs I'll lose it.

[MultiTroll]

I actually think his receiving corps is above average. It's young, but the guys have talent.
Pathetic last night vs Dolphins. They continually put far to much stress on Jackson by not making even the average catch. The catch-fumble by Watkins was a back breaker. TE who made the difficult catch -then bobbled it for incomplete- Ravens just never seem to pull off the harder then average catches either.

Also when you mentioned upthread LJacksons back, sure looked like he passed up some prime (for him) running ops last night.

[MultiTroll]

68 yds on 17 carries.
Still 7th place in NFL rushing. :lol He's guarding some kind of injury tho, not sure if he gets above 1,000 but he may well.
Most def injured as Chinook suggested upthread. Jackson had 10 yards of space and auto big gain when he settled for 14 yds and slid down. Previously he would bust that for a TD or at the least a big gain. Couple of Jacksons runs on the final semi-clinching drive to make it +6 vs +3 were fabulous, classic Lamar.

The Cleveland game will count as a *win but Ravens IQ continues to be sub zero.
Passes hitting the hands and going for an INT, mega retard penalties when driving for a TD or chip shot field goal......

This team is dumb. Yet they are 8-3 and #1 seed. :bobo

[MultiTroll]

Might not get 1,000.

Injured early and out at Cleveland.

The injury to Jackson comes at a time when he has taken contact at a historic rate. Jackson is being hit an average of 16 times per game this year, the highest rate by any quarterback in the last 15 years, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

[MultiTroll]

Some calling Harbaugh a moron for going for it again.
However, check out how open WR #5 is cutting across the middle.

MISREAD by QB, not a moronic call.

https://youtu.be/YvXT0lT79hU?t=42

Should be in 1st few seconds of vid, if not look for the 43 44 45 second mark.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Baltimore's going to miss the playoffs barring a miracle. Lol Jaffar Jackson.

[MultiTroll]

37-12.

Guess you can't catch Covid at home typing make believe trips? :tu

Bump it.

[MultiTroll]

Baltimore's going to miss the playoffs barring a miracle. Lol Jaffar Jackson.
Yep
8-4 with him
0-6 without.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yep
8-4 with him
0-6 without.

Wrong... your tally adds up to 18 games and they've only played 16 and besides they won in Chicago without him already.

[MultiTroll]

Wrong... your tally adds up to 18 games and they've only played 16 and besides they won in Chicago without him already.
Son i had said Lamar was 8-4 when he was actually 7-4. And you're right, there are 17 games in this years NFL reg season, not 18.

This season was dreadful for the Ravens for injuries, Covid outs and moronic penalties in the Red Zone.

Ravens are 0-5 since he has been out.

His 37-12 record as a starter is better then any NFL QB in that time frame. I realize you are aware of his excellence and are disappointed he has not led yet another below average Raven team to the playoffs. I am too.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/wQhTRsq/unknown-1.png

[spurraider21]

he missed 5 games and they missed the playoffs by 1.5

[MultiTroll]

I actually think his receiving corps is above average. It's young, but the guys have talent. I wouldn't trade for either guy, though DeSean could be a good value add.Keep Marquise Brown for 4 years, and when he finally cracks 1,000 yards on 91 catches.....trade him for ___ next to nothing?

Ravens general manager Eric DeCosta said after the season that the team would pick up Brown's $13.4 million option, but Baltimore never officially did.
With Brown traded, the Ravens' top wide receivers are Rashod Bateman (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4360939/rashod-bateman), Devin Duvernay (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4039050/devin-duvernay), James Proche II (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3916204/james-proche-ii) and Tylan Wallace (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4241424/tylan-wallace). So, wide receiver becomes a need for Baltimore.

So Jackson get's f'd by Decosta for yet another season with average -at best- receivers.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chinook :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47PtUvHIQpk

[MultiTroll]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.e19bd9688ba62dbc5aaee9c31dfc695d?rik=Vf3xOdVyO6T Fqw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.clipartbest.com%2fcliparts%2f yTo%2f6ak%2fyTo6akLTE.jpeg&ehk=%2fqIKUJr3L8jfRQAQ6bOamasbYFqcfpchqjLqWI1xYHE% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
Since Jackson took over as the starter midway through the 2018 season, his winning percentage (.755, 37-12 record) ranks only behind that of Patrick Mahomes (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3139477/patrick-mahomes). Without Jackson, Baltimore is 2-5 (.286) over the past three seasons. -- Jamison Hensley

[MultiTroll]

Talk about a stupid shit convention.

Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson An Honorable Mention In NFL Personnel Survey - Sports Illustrated Baltimore Ravens News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/ravens-lamar-jackson-survey)

:lol Fraudgers rated #1 ahead of Brady and Mahomes.

[MultiTroll]

1546839884849188868

Including being by far the most sacked and hurried QB last year.

[Blake]

And the Ravens are slow in contract extension talks.

Sometimes the stats don't tell the whole story. There's also the eye test. Too bad because he's fun to watch.

[MultiTroll]

And the Ravens are slow in contract extension talks.

Sometimes the stats don't tell the whole story. There's also the eye test. Too bad because he's fun to watch.
:lol Notoriously cheap Ravens would sign Lamar in 2 seconds.

He's repping himself and is in no hurry.
He gets victimized again by their porous OLine and ball dropping receivers and he'll be the most prized FA since Brady.

[MultiTroll]

Lazy Lamar Jackson criticisms are back, so NFL preseason must be soon (usatoday.com) (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/07/lamar-jackson-criticism-passing-arm-strength-accuracy-dumb)

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[DeadlyDynasty]

Lamar’s slow play paid off. Former MVP and regular season magician who puts asses in the seats > serial perv and Call of Duty addict. Record-breaking deal without homework clause coming any time now.

[MultiTroll]

Lamar’s slow play paid off. Former MVP and regular season magician who puts asses in the seats > serial perv and Call of Duty addict. Record-breaking deal without homework clause coming any time now.
Sures seems that way.
In the event he does not reup for 50 mil a year and the GM franchise tags him for this season and Baltimores support sucks again, would be 100 ballsy of Jackson to play out the season and be the prize FA.
Photos and comments on this current offseasons workouts say Jackson is ripped.

[FrostKing]

Ya I think I'd take Lamar over Murray too. As they age both are dependent on their physical skills (Murray is limited in the pocket because of his height) but you'll never question Lamar's drive and focus especially as both become filthy rich.

My only concern is there is some truth to elite WRs being cautious about joining Baltimore. But there might be more to it like Baltimore has never prioritized their offensive weapons for sustained success.

[MultiTroll]

My only concern is there is some truth to elite WRs being cautious about joining Baltimore. But there might be more to it like Baltimore has never prioritized their offensive weapons for sustained success.
Not enough "muh touches"? Don't think so. Jackson has racked up 4500 multiple times now.

GM Decosta has made some very good draft picks in the past, including GOAT fg kicker, but the past 2 years he has simply shit the bed. We'll see how this years picks do.

Hasn't done shit to address the WR situation, unless Bateman rises above his simply average status. One of the newbs this year seems to have a lot of athletic talent, so we'll see. Still all a bunch of 5'11" shrimps, Decosta completely avoids height. No one who can fight for the 3rd down possession catch.

Wasted 4 years on 1st round pick *Hollywood* Brown, only to release him to the Cardinals after he caught 90 last year. What a fucking waste of time and resources.

[FrostKing]

Not enough "muh touches"? Don't think so. Jackson has racked up 4500 multiple times now.

GM Decosta has made some very good draft picks in the past, including GOAT fg kicker, but the past 2 years he has simply shit the bed. We'll see how this years picks do.

Hasn't done shit to address the WR situation, unless Bateman rises above his simply average status. One of the newbs this year seems to have a lot of athletic talent, so we'll see. Still all a bunch of 5'11" shrimps, Decosta completely avoids height. No one who can fight for the 3rd down possession catch.

Wasted 4 years on 1st round pick *Hollywood* Brown, only to release him to the Cardinals after he caught 90 last year. What a fucking waste of time and resources.
Baltimore is unattractive destination for a skill position player for a number of reasons on and off the field. Probably going to be doing alot more blocking there than Arizona.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/NLh8Zqk/Screenshot-20220729-142838-Chrome.jpg

"Mahomes said he wouldn't go as far as to say Black quarterbacks are evaluated differently than their white counterparts. But he did say he found it interesting that only Black quarterbacks are subject to certain types of criticism."

Oh no. What's Lamar accomplished compared to Jimmy other than a MVP won in large part because he was....a record breaking runner. There are other examples like Cousins or Goff. If your claim to fame is a revolutionary play style then shouldn't you expect the skepticism to this play style that has limited success in the Playoffs.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/Jd5cLdJ/IMG-20220811-091633.jpg

[MultiTroll]

Steve Young:

“I can’t wait for someone to train Lamar Jackson in a sophisticated passing game. I think he’d be the greatest player in the history of the game,” Young said. “But he keeps getting held back by the Ravens year after year because they keep doubling down on this [rushing] thing Lamar Jackson is great at. No question, he’s the best at that. But that’s not the championship football they need to play. That’s not what Lamar Jackson wants to be.”

Steve Young questions Ravens’ development of QB Lamar Jackson: ‘He keeps getting held back’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/steve-young-questions-ravens-e2-80-99-development-of-qb-lamar-jackson-e2-80-98he-keeps-getting-held-back-e2-80-99/ar-AA10Qfso)

[MultiTroll]

More injuries. Fuck!
What was their best running back will be out at least 5 weeks.

Ravens RB Gus Edwards (knee) placed on reserve/PUP list, will miss at least first four weeks of season (nfl.com) (https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-place-rb-gus-edwards-knee-placed-on-reserve-pup-list-will-miss-at-least-f#:~:text=It%27s%20a%20move%20that%20will%20sideli ne%20Edwards%20for,him%20out%20of%20action%20for%2 0the%20entire%20year.)

[SpursforSix]

More injuries. Fuck!
What was their best running back will be out at least 5 weeks.

Ravens RB Gus Edwards (knee) placed on reserve/PUP list, will miss at least first four weeks of season (nfl.com) (https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-place-rb-gus-edwards-knee-placed-on-reserve-pup-list-will-miss-at-least-f#:~:text=It%27s%20a%20move%20that%20will%20sideli ne%20Edwards%20for,him%20out%20of%20action%20for%2 0the%20entire%20year.)

I'm guessing that that means they're expecting Hill to be good to go pretty soon. They still have Hill. Mike Davis (meh). And Badie.
Edward's YPC were great but I suspect that has to do with the system. Any of these guys will be fine. Edwards was undrafted.

[MultiTroll]

Looking to extend his Top 3 QB status another year......
Jackson has bulked up while remaining ripped.
Had been at around 205 for previous seasons. This year, 220:
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[MultiTroll]

245 / 165 is now the real bar.

Russell Wilson, Denver Broncos agree to 5-year extension worth $245 million, including $165 million guaranteed, sources say

Don't think LJackson or any other QB could hold their team to the joke Browns giveaway to Watson.

[Blake]

Looking to extend his Top 3 QB status another year......
Jackson has bulked up while remaining ripped.
Had been at around 205 for previous seasons. This year, 220:
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Not sure that's a good thing for him to be that big. Might slow him down some

[MultiTroll]

Not sure that's a good thing for him to be that big. Might slow him down some
Nah i trust he knows what he is doing.
50% of a QBs totality in modern NFL is being able to stay on the field.

With Baltimore's annual failure to address WR positions and a questionable at best OLine, Jackson will once again be on the run and hit repeatedly.
The bulk will help.

Should 2022 become another 8-9 shit stain it's best Jackson self preserves thus becomes the #1 free agent in 20 years.

[Blake]

Nah i trust he knows what he is doing.
50% of a QBs totality in modern NFL is being able to stay on the field.

With Baltimore's annual failure to address WR positions and a questionable at best OLine, Jackson will once again be on the run and hit repeatedly.
The bulk will help.

Should 2022 become another 8-9 shit stain it's best Jackson self preserves thus becomes the #1 free agent in 20 years.

Yeah, staying on the field in the NFL, it's better to avoid the hit than being big enough to take it or give it. You're gonna shorten your career a lot faster

[MultiTroll]

Yeah, staying on the field in the NFL, it's better to avoid the hit than being big enough to take it or give it. You're gonna shorten your career a lot faster
On paper that sounds great. In reality:
You put Princess Brady or any other immobile QB with this Ravens team and what's gonna happen?
4-12 at best.

To your point, Jackson has gotten much better at going down after breaking a run and seeing there is little to no more yards to be had.
If Ravens fail to protect him and drop passes again, we'll see if he can go to a team that allows him to pocket pass 1st run 2nd.

[MultiTroll]

What?!
So Baltimore can force him into another season after this season? :bang

If the sides are unable to reach a new deal by March 7, Baltimore would have to place the franchise tag on Jackson to keep him from becoming a free agent. The only quarterback over the last five years to receive the tag was Dak Prescott (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2577417/dak-prescott), who eventually reached a long-term contract with the Dallas Cowboys (https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys).

[SpursforSix]

On paper that sounds great. In reality:
You put Princess Brady or any other immobile QB with this Ravens team and what's gonna happen?
4-12 at best.

To your point, Jackson has gotten much better at going down after breaking a run and seeing there is little to no more yards to be had.
If Ravens fail to protect him and drop passes again, we'll see if he can go to a team that allows him to pocket pass 1st run 2nd.

Again...this team's been built around Jackson to some degree. You can't just interchange QB's and say, "this guy would never work here". If they had Brady, they would have built differently.
Ravens still fucked up. Imo, they should have gone after great route runners that can get open and create bigger windows. Maybe Jackson eventually figures it out and becomes a good pocket passer. But his
days of running are limited. I can't think of a small bodied running QB that had long term success in the NFL.

[MultiTroll]

Again...this team's been built around Jackson to some degree. You can't just interchange QB's and say, "this guy would never work here". If they had Brady, they would have built differently.
Ravens still fucked up. Imo, they should have gone after great route runners that can get open and create bigger windows. Maybe Jackson eventually figures it out and becomes a good pocket passer. But his
days of running are limited. I can't think of a small bodied running QB that had long term success in the NFL.
You guys just don't get it with his passing.

His receivers have been average at best.
Last year the TE Andrews stepped up, I'll give him that. Previous years meh. And specifically playoffs Andrews had some absolute key butterfingers.

OLine?
Since 2018 he is the most hit passer, period. 737 times.
No, that is not getting tackled after a run. That is getting harassed in the pocket by his Swiss Cheese OLine.

[SpursforSix]

You guys just don't get it with his passing.

His receivers have been average at best.
Last year the TE Andrews stepped up, I'll give him that. Previous years meh. And specifically playoffs Andrews had some absolute key butterfingers.

OLine?
Since 2018 he is the most hit passer, period. 737 times.
No, that is not getting tackled after a run. That is getting harassed in the pocket by his Swiss Cheese OLine.

Are the WR average? Or did he make them average? Is the O-line Swiss Cheese or did he hold on to the ball too long? Agree that at first glance, it looks like he didn't have the right weapons. But Brown with Arizona should tell us enough about that.

[MultiTroll]

Are the WR average? Or did he make them average? Is the O-line Swiss Cheese or did he hold on to the ball too long? Agree that at first glance, it looks like he didn't have the right weapons. But Brown with Arizona should tell us enough about that.
1. WR is average. Brown will not be the tell all. Plus he was stuck with Brown for Browns 1st 4 years.
Finally has a semi breakout year and catches 90 last year. If Brown catches 100 in a wide open Cardinal offense how in the hell is that going to be the determining factor on how he was with LJackson? Both on stats and with the eyeball test, Jacksons receivers the last 4 years have been average at best. Below average really.

2. OLine has had some brutal injuries the past years. The stats on hurries etc prove this.
Jackson holding on too long? Please. He is one of if not the best at alluding the rush.
Even Mahomes last year looked very different from previous years as his own Oline and WRs were not as good as previous.

I will give you he needs to correct the sidearm pass when it is not appropriate. Works great sometimes when under duress. On plays where he does have time to pass, should work on the classic 3/4th arm rotation pass.

[Blake]

I mean, Brady had plenty of years with no name receivers and flimsy O Lines. Exactly on Mahomes having a bad one last year but if not for them letting the foot of the gas, should have been in the SB. Great QBs figure it out.

[MultiTroll]

:lol

In addition to GOAT BradyRef:

Gronk
Moss
Edelman
Aaron Hernandez
Branch

The running backs catching passes, while not spectacular were very solid.
Faulk
James White
Bellicheat and Brady had great outlet passes to the RBs

[Blake]

C'mon now. This was the 2015 Patriot offense:

Patriots Roster
QB: Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo
RB: Shane Vereen, LeGarrette Blount, Brandon Bolden, Jonas Gray, James White
FB: James Develin
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Michael Hoomanawanui, Tim Wright
WR: Julian Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Danny Amendola, Josh Boyce, Matthew Slater, Brian Tyms



You gotta give Tom Bunchen some cred here on that.

[MultiTroll]

C'mon now. This was the 2015 Patriot offense:

Patriots Roster
QB: Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo
RB: Shane Vereen, LeGarrette Blount, Brandon Bolden, Jonas Gray, James White
FB: James Develin
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Michael Hoomanawanui, Tim Wright
WR: Julian Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Danny Amendola, Josh Boyce, Matthew Slater, Brian Tyms



You gotta give Tom Bunchen some cred here on that.
Brady definitely a good strategist.

[MultiTroll]

Jackson is the first player to have a 75-yard passing touchdown and 75-yard rushing touchdown in the same game. He also had his 11th 100-yard rushing game as a quarterback, breaking Michael Vick's record for the most in NFL history.

[MultiTroll]

Should either of these malcontent / diva's be considered by the Ravens on the trade wire? (or any other team)

DeShaun Jackson
Odell Beckham Junior


I wouldn't trade for either guy, though DeSean could be a good value add.
Well we get to find out.
Desean Jackson now on the Ravens.
Can't find a thing about what happened with his latest short stay -the Raiders.

Dk if he is brain damaged like Antonio Brown or what is up. Left the 7-1 Rams because of muh touches. Rams went on to the Bowl.

Has Desean Jackson scored any humility?
Here's one of Mr. Full of Himselfs finest recent moments:
Watch: Raiders’ DeSean Jackson forgets to run to the end zone, immediately fumbles (fansided.com) (https://fansided.com/2021/11/14/raiders-desean-jackson-blunder-fumble-video/#:~:text=LAS%20VEGAS%2C%20NEVADA%20-%20NOVEMBER%2014%3A%20DeSean%20Jackson,to%20run%20 to%20the%20end%20zone%2C%20immediately%20fumbles)

[MultiTroll]

82 yards vs Saints. Wasn't even looking to run that much.
7.4 yards per carry on the year, another record.

4th All Time rushing yards. Only question is how long until he catches Vick.

[MultiTroll]

834 Justin Fields
666 Super Lamar on 30 less carries. Both of them shredding the rock at 6.9 per carry.

Super Lamar to again play thru a hip injury this Sunday. Explains why he has not been busting a move as often this year. Last week he went for 35 yards to the 3 yard line for a 1st and goal. Of course another of the hapless receiving crew got it called back with a completely unnecessary hold. :rolleyes
Deshaun Jackson is listed as Questionable. He's looked good in his brief appearances.

Fields may have to miss game. He is on pace to break Lamarys single season rushing record.

Justin Fields injury update: Bears QB battling 'basically an AC joint injury,' uncertain for Week 12 vs. Jets - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/justin-fields-injury-update-bears-qb-battling-basically-an-ac-joint-injury-uncertain-for-week-12-vs-jets/)

[lefty20]

Records are nice, but I hope we sit Fields. No reason to risk any further damage to his shoulder in what is now a tank season.

[MultiTroll]

89 yards and two inches from a TD in another Ravens ultra lame 4th qtr giveaway vs Jacksonville.

834 Justin Fields (idle, injury)
755 Lamar Jackson

Lamar let INET troll get to him after the game.
Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson met after 'out of character' tweet (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35132616/harbaugh-lamar-jackson-met-character-tweet)

[Millennial_Messiah]

Records are nice, but I hope we sit Fields. No reason to risk any further damage to his shoulder in what is now a tank season.

Beating the Patriots @ Belichick's house was their Super Bowl, tbh. :tu

Now tank and get a QB or draft best player available on defense

[lefty20]

Beating the Patriots @ Belichick's house was their Super Bowl, tbh. :tu

Now tank and get a QB or draft best player available on defense

I doubt we go with a QB. Fields has shown enough to earn another year.

So they will most likely go with a pass rusher, assuming we stay at the 2-4 range.

If we accidentally pick up some Ws and drop lower in the draft then we can start looking at WRs or OL talent.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I doubt we go with a QB. Fields has shown enough to earn another year.

So they will most likely go with a pass rusher, assuming we stay at the 2-4 range.

If we accidentally pick up some Ws and drop lower in the draft then we can start looking at WRs or OL talent.
Like I get why they dumped Mack (old age/injury), but I don't get why they blew up almost their whole defense. Roquan Smith?? Really? That guy was a star.

[lefty20]

Like I get why they dumped Mack (old age/injury), but I don't get why they blew up almost their whole defense. Roquan Smith?? Really? That guy was a star.

Poles has that Presti fever. He's collecting picks like they're Pokémon.

[MultiTroll]

:pctoss

Lamar Jackson leaves practice early with quadriceps injury (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/lamar-jackson-leaves-practice-early-with-quadriceps-injury/ar-AA14LiLW)

Hopefully the Ravens are just sheltering him from the media after he let troll cunt cause him to lose self control.

[BD24]

I doubt we go with a QB. Fields has shown enough to earn another year.

So they will most likely go with a pass rusher, assuming we stay at the 2-4 range.

If we accidentally pick up some Ws and drop lower in the draft then we can start looking at WRs or OL talent.
If y’all are at 2 should trade down for a haul. Someone will trade up to grab either stroud or young….whichever of the 2 doesn’t go 1

[lefty20]

If y’all are at 2 should trade down for a haul. Someone will trade up to grab either stroud or young….whichever of the 2 doesn’t go 1

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if we did. Poles will def jump at the chance, especially if a team is willing to overpay for the pick like Pace did for Trubisky.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao injured his knee

[MultiTroll]

^ you've never even smelt a football field. Go back to eating dicks.

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[MultiTroll]

Ya this will really help.

:pctoss
Ravens claim WR Sammy Watkins as Devin Duvernay put on IR (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35293709/source-ravens-claim-wr-sammy-watkins-devin-duvernay-hurt)

[DeadlyDynasty]

Are you a Ravens fan or a Lamar fan? Not trolling, legitimately curious.

They need the 5th seed badly because it will be a bloodbath if they have to go to KC, Buffalo, or Cincy in the playoffs. They could pull off the road upset at whomever wins the AFC South if Lamar is healthy, but that’s the ceiling

[MultiTroll]

Lamar fan.
The org has almost completely lost it's way the last 2-3 years, especially this year.
Greg Roman is really cracking up on the play calling. Probably out the door and taking the Stanford job. I know some of the Baltimore fans have been brutal in person after the game where Roman has to walk to get out.
Shit like not getting the play call into the QB on time is a chronic Raven problem, especially in the red zone. Ditto false starts in key spots. Ya every team does it once in a while. It's chronic with the Ravens.
As to their glitzy record, that's maily because Action Jackson busted a move when they sorely needed it. Many many a game where on 3rd down and suck he would bust a move and run for the 1st.

GM who has drafted some beauties, has turned full retard. Drafts Hollywoood Brown, spends 4 years developing him. Catches 90 passes. I know, lets trade him.

This receiving corps and play calling is like watching Greg Popped force Timmy Duncan to go with BonBon and washed Michael Finley at the PFs along with Bryn Bryn Fobes and Paddy 50 Mills locking down the perimeter.

As recently as last week, they were absolutely shredding the Browns run defense, which oh btw is about the worst in the NFL.
I know, lets try some passes in the red zone with our suck ass receivers and average backup QB.
*Fairness to QB the *INT in the red zone was a route quit by DeShaun Jackson.
Another red zoner was caught pass then fumble.

Seriously, for Lamar Jackson to have racked up as many wins as he has with this cast is total prop worthy.

[MultiTroll]

Thought for sure Justin Fields would break the record this Sunday, but he is sitting out.

Super Lamars 1,206 for a season record stands.

Bears' Justin Fields out Sunday, ending shot at QB rushing mark (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35378726/bears-justin-fields-sunday-ending-shot-qb-rushing-mark)

[lefty20]

Records are nice and all, but I'm hoping Fields never gets close to it again.

It would, hopefully, mean that not only have we equipped him with a respectable offensive line and a weapon or two, but his passing game has also improved enough to take advantage of both upgrades.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Records are nice and all, but I'm hoping Fields never gets close to it again.

It would, hopefully, mean that not only have we equipped him with a respectable offensive line and a weapon or two, but his passing game has also improved enough to take advantage of both upgrades.
Maybe you'll strike gold on drafting your next QB of the future this year. Will Levis is probably the best QB of this class. Fields just isn't a good enough passer or decision maker.

[lefty20]

Maybe you'll strike gold on drafting your next QB of the future this year. Will Levis is probably the best QB of this class. Fields just isn't a good enough passer or decision maker.

No way they draft a QB this year. FO and the fans are all sold on Fields having what it take to be THE guy.

That being said, it is widely accepted that he does need to improve as a pocket passer. Next year is the time for him to show that, otherwise it's back to the drawing board for the most QB starved franchise.

[MultiTroll]

RGIII responds to the spouter telling Vick to "put a brace on it"

Robert Griffin III responds to Michael Vick' - 01-16-2023 (prosportsdaily.com) (https://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/robert-griffin-iii-responds-to-michael-vicks-comments-advising-lamar-jackson-to-put-a-brace-on-it-and-play-765670.html#:~:text=Robert%20Griffin%20III%20respo nds%20to%20Michael%20Vick%27s%20comments,predicame nt%20Lamar%20Jackson%20faced%20over%20the%20past%2 0week.)

[MultiTroll]

So which team is he on next?

Baltimore can match any offer.

Wish the 49ers would sign Jackson.

Unfortunately he probably is stuck in Baltimore unless some blow away offer comes.
I don't believe Jackson is asking for fully guaranteed like Watsons.

[MultiTroll]

JJ Watt Openly Asks The Question Many Are Asking About Lamar Jackson’s Situation (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jj-watt-openly-asks-the-question-many-are-asking-about-lamar-jackson-s-situation/ar-AA18ljBa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7b7920956b0443a3bee214557f28f812&ei=18)

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[FrostKing]

JJ Watt Openly Asks The Question Many Are Asking About Lamar Jackson’s Situation (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jj-watt-openly-asks-the-question-many-are-asking-about-lamar-jackson-s-situation/ar-AA18ljBa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7b7920956b0443a3bee214557f28f812&ei=18)

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Most those "QB needy teams" would need to completely revamp their offense to fit his playstyle. Which established Coaches even feel comfortable running such an offense. Not to mention this process/he is expensive. Almost every Head Coach that agrees to this trade is likely signing their walking papers sooner than later.

For established players these guys sure acting like this is Madden on Playstation.

[spurraider21]

imo owners have colluded. all the owners were pissed at browns for giving watson a fully guaranteed deal. its publicly known that lamar wants one as well. owners are uniting to say that they dont want watson deal as precedent.

no reason for a bunch of teams to not even try negotiating with him

russell wilson cost 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and a few players (lock sucks, but harris/fant are solid players), while also getting a brand new fat contract. you cant tell me teams wont give a 26 year old lamar 2 firsts + a contract unless there's something else going on

heck, falcons were all-in on watson last year but suddenly have no interest in lamar? fuck off

[MultiTroll]

imo owners have colluded. all the owners were pissed at browns for giving watson a fully guaranteed deal. its publicly known that lamar wants one as well. owners are uniting to say that they dont want watson deal as precedent.

no reason for a bunch of teams to not even try negotiating with him

russell wilson cost 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and a few players (lock sucks, but harris/fant are solid players), while also getting a brand new fat contract. you cant tell me teams wont give a 26 year old lamar 2 firsts + a contract unless there's something else going on

heck, falcons were all-in on watson last year but suddenly have no interest in lamar? fuck off
Agree 100 with exception of bolded.
Jackson himself has not said he wants Watson + all guaranteed. I'm sure he wants a lot and wny not, look what Daniel Jones just got. And Wilson.

Are the colluding owners floating the "Jackson wants Watson + all guaranteed" rumors?

[MultiTroll]

Most those "QB needy teams" would need to completely revamp their offense to fit his playstyle. Which established Coaches even feel comfortable running such an offense. Not to mention this process/he is expensive. Almost every Head Coach that agrees to this trade is likely signing their walking papers sooner than later.

For established players these guys sure acting like this is Madden on Playstation.
He's 45-16 of which a lot of the wins were with very average Baltimore teams.
Certainly the last 2 years have been major issues, not only with roster but injuries.
Entire strength and condition team was fired recently. Way too late? Sure seems that way.

WR Batemen flat said the plays are not designed to players strenth including LJ. And he commented on the conditioning teams sucking too.

Major problems, LJs style is sure as hell not the problem.

Many good coaches would do just fine with LJ.

The 49ers? A virtual lock for SB win with Jackson imo.

[leemajors]

Commanders, Eagles, and Boys fans are pretty happy with the Danny Dimes contract. If they had signed LJ instead that would be a cause for concern. It's insane looking at both their numbers that he got that contract.

[MultiTroll]

Agent talk about how large QB deals are really done. Seem to be keeping it real.

Lying, tampering and compromise: NFL agents sound off on Lamar Jackson mess (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/lying-tampering-and-compromise-nfl-agents-sound-off-on-lamar-jackson-mess/ar-AA18pSm4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=48cffe6add664c4883ce04a6b775f6d1&ei=43)

[spurraider21]

Commanders, Eagles, and Boys fans are pretty happy with the Danny Dimes contract. If they had signed LJ instead that would be a cause for concern. It's insane looking at both their numbers that he got that contract.
they could have franchise tagged jones this year and he would have been cheaper for this season. they could have then tagged him again in 2024 and he STILL would have been cheaper than what he's scheduled to be in 2024

terrible deal for them

the only reason for optimism is that Jones has had basically no help at the WR position since taking the job over, which has deflated his numbers. with that said, id rather tag and evaluate than just pay him under the assumption that there really is greatness there

[MultiTroll]

Nicely done:

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[MultiTroll]

moar noise
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[FrostKing]

Is Mommy really his representative negotiating with executives :lol

[MultiTroll]

Is Mommy really his representative negotiating with executives :lol
eh NFL good old bois club is butthurt their agents aren't involved.
Not putting too much stock in the mommy rumors.

That having been said ya i think he should have a snake agent.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/c1qHhPn/Screenshot-20230327-100552-Chrome.png

Belichick should last hurrah trade for him.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Just a rough situation for the Ravens. What do you do with a QB that wins a bunch of regular season games, sells out stadiums, but deep down you know doesn’t have the arm to lead a team to a SB?

It’s a brutal dilemma, not at all helped by his injury history and the stupid Watson contract. A lesser franchise would accept this lot and ride Lamar until 30. Ravens are folding a full house because they know the other AFC powers have a better hand. Tough fold, but necessary.

[MultiTroll]

^ could Buffalo upgrade with Jackson?

[DeadlyDynasty]

^ could Buffalo upgrade with Jackson?
No thanks, we already have a guy who can’t win a SB, don’t need one who can’t win a playoff game

[MultiTroll]

No thanks, we already have a guy who can’t win a SB, don’t need one who can’t win a playoff game
Ya I'm sure Joe Montana would take this Ravens roster to a Bowl win.

[spurraider21]

Just a rough situation for the Ravens. What do you do with a QB that wins a bunch of regular season games, sells out stadiums, but deep down you know doesn’t have the arm to lead a team to a SB?

It’s a brutal dilemma, not at all helped by his injury history and the stupid Watson contract. A lesser franchise would accept this lot and ride Lamar until 30. Ravens are folding a full house because they know the other AFC powers have a better hand. Tough fold, but necessary.
ravens have probably had the worst group of WR's in the league since lamar was drafted

[SpursforSix]

ravens have probably had the worst group of WR's in the league since lamar was drafted

Yeah...I actually checked this as far as what Lamar's had to throw to. I didn't go through every team in the NFL but Jackson's have been pretty terrible. Marquis Brown may have been the best and they got rid of him.

Just saw a stat showing that Ravens are 31st in WR spending.

That being said, I don't think Jackson is a great passer. I think he needs big ass WR targets and/or great slot receivers that can separate.

[spurraider21]

Yeah...I actually checked this as far as what Lamar's had to throw to. I didn't go through every team in the NFL but Jackson's have been pretty terrible. Marquis Brown may have been the best and they got rid of him.

Just saw a stat showing that Ravens are 31st in WR spending.

That being said, I don't think Jackson is a great passer. I think he needs big ass WR targets and/or great slot receivers that can separate.
hard to know until he actually has an NFL caliber WR group. right now all he has is a TE

[MultiTroll]

No thanks, we already have a guy who can’t win a SB, don’t need one who can’t win a playoff game
The coffees on me porkass:


ravens have probably had the worst group of WR's in the league since lamar was drafted


Yeah...I actually checked this as far as what Lamar's had to throw to. I didn't go through every team in the NFL but Jackson's have been pretty terrible. Marquis Brown may have been the best and they got rid of him.

Just saw a stat showing that Ravens are 31st in WR spending.

That being said, I don't think Jackson is a great passer. I think he needs big ass WR targets and/or great slot receivers that can separate.


hard to know until he actually has an NFL caliber WR group. right now all he has is a TE

[FrostKing]

hard to know until he actually has an NFL caliber WR group. right now all he has is a TE
Won't happen in Baltimore. They are already slashing the roster to make room for Lamar's current contract