Red Planet of Derrick White

[Dex]

When there's trouble you call DW. :smokin

https://i.imgur.com/WWw9gKP.jpgP

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/1159313373609304065




That brings the number of players who are definitely participating up to one.

:pop: Go ahead, Derrick... drop out of the competition. I fucking dare you!

[Chinook]

Surprised no one else has said this yet. Bucher isn't even slightly credible anymore. Maybe he's right here, and I hope he is, but dude throws shit at walls all the time now. I don't think he's heard anything other than the interviews we've heard about White and Bagley, and he's hoping to capitalize by giving early "reporting" that they'll be promoted. If they are, Bucher looks more legit. If they aren't, no one remembers.

This needs to be corroborated by a much more credible reporter before I believe it.

[look_at_g_shred]

Hearing that DW is still showing out vs competition only makes me anticipate this season even more. This offseason has been so putrid for the spurs but remembering we have LW4/DW/IB at the ready, has me so pumped!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1159294865294995456

[look_at_g_shred]

wOW

[Dejounte]

Just had Derrick's jersey ordered for me. The black colored ones

[Pavlov]

Surprised no one else has said this yet. Bucher isn't even slightly credible anymore. Maybe he's right here, and I hope he is, but dude throws shit at walls all the time now. I don't think he's heard anything other than the interviews we've heard about White and Bagley, and he's hoping to capitalize by giving early "reporting" that they'll be promoted. If they are, Bucher looks more legit. If they aren't, no one remembers.

This needs to be corroborated by a much more credible reporter before I believe it.If he's on the WC team, that's all the verification I need.

[rjv]

If he's on the WC team, that's all the verification I need.

yeah. i really didn't get where chinook was coming from on this take, i mean i really don't care if bucher sucks even more now or not. i'm just pleased that white has been one of the standouts in the camp, so far.

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1uT1di_UAU

[John B]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1159294865294995456
Tbh i’ve seen him done that several times before. He has the Manusque anticipation and IQ - off the chart. I can’t wait for him and Murray locking down the oppositions back court, which has been historically the achilles heels with our small guards

[look_at_g_shred]

Tbh i’ve seen him done that several times before. He has the Manusque anticipation and IQ - off the chart. I can’t wait for him and Murray locking down the oppositions front court, which has been historically the achilles heels with our small guards
People sleeping on this backcourt (fire emoji)

[Chinook]

yeah. i really didn't get where chinook was coming from on this take, i mean i really don't care if bucher sucks even more now or not. i'm just pleased that white has been one of the standouts in the camp, so far.

Um... Bucher is reporting White made the WC team. But Bucher isn't credible, so until someone else confirms, we don't have any reason to believe it. This isn't pro- or anti-White. It's just the truth.

White seems to deserve a WC spot. I'd agree with Bucher on that. But I believe Bucher is lying about someone telling him White or Bagley essentially made the team. No one's giving him scoops anymore.

[Degoat]

Marc stein also mentioned that bagley and white were probably being promoted, he could just be stealing from Bucher lol

[Capt Bringdown]

I hope Pop know how to play him and not crush his confidence/development.

[rjv]

Um... Bucher is reporting White made the WC team. But Bucher isn't credible, so until someone else confirms, we don't have any reason to believe it. This isn't pro- or anti-White. It's just the truth.

White seems to deserve a WC spot. I'd agree with Bucher on that. But I believe Bucher is lying about someone telling him White or Bagley essentially made the team. No one's giving him scoops anymore.

i understood what you were saying about whether or not bucher is right about derrick making the squad; my thing was that i'm more focused on the buzz regarding his play to this point. i think that's the bigger picture here.

[Pavlov]

I hope Pop know how to play him and not crush his confidence/development.:lol yeah since Pop has just been beating him down the past two years....

[TD 21]

Being promoted isn't a guarantee, it just means legit contention. In the end, whether he's deserving it not, he probably loses out due to a combination of lack of pedigree and Pop probably not wanting to look like he's playing favorites.


What do the Spurs do rotationally? The snuggest fit is 6th man/roughly half a game, but there's a very real possibility he's the best perimeter player on the team next season and a fringe playoff team probably can't afford to play politics.

Do they just start him, bite the proverbial spacing bullet for the first 6 minutes of each half, then alternate him and Murray the rest of the way like they often did Aldridge and Gasol? A lot of rotational gymnastics would be required to play optimal lineups and get to the preferred closing one, while managing minutes. The easiest way to do that would be to just play 5 players from 1-3, but then that obviously leaves Walker on the outs.

[exstatic]

Being promoted isn't a guarantee, it just means legit contention. In the end, whether he's deserving it not, he probably loses out due to a combination of lack of pedigree and Pop probably not wanting to look like he's playing favorites.


What do the Spurs do rotationally? The snuggest fit is 6th man/roughly half a game, but there's a very real possibility he's the best perimeter player on the team next season and a fringe playoff team probably can't afford to play politics.

Do they just start him, bite the proverbial spacing bullet for the first 6 minutes of each half, then alternate him and Murray the rest of the way like they often did Aldridge and Gasol? A lot of rotational gymnastics would be required to play optimal lineups and get to the preferred closing one, while managing minutes. The easiest way to do that would be to just play 5 players from 1-3, but then that obviously leaves Walker on the outs.

Pop already dealt with that by putting him on the Select Team to start. Everyone saw him shred the WC pool team. Anyone saying 'favorites' after that is just eating sour grapes. He's earned his invite to LA for the main camp.

[TD 21]

Pop already dealt with that by putting him on the Select Team to start. Everyone saw him shred the WC pool team. Anyone saying 'favorites' after that is just eating sour grapes. He's earned his invite to LA for the main camp.

Not really. They had to dig so deep in the end that Craig got an invite.

I meant the perception . . . but upon closer inspection, I think it mostly comes down to whether Lowry is healthy or not. If he is, they're set at PG with Walker, him, Fox and if necessary, Mitchell.

[weebo]

When there's trouble you call DW. :smokin

https://i.imgur.com/WWw9gKP.jpgP

Quote came from JVG.

[FkLA]

Not really. They had to dig so deep in the end that Craig got an invite.

I meant the perception . . . but upon closer inspection, I think it mostly comes down to whether Lowry is healthy or not. If he is, they're set at PG with Walker, him, Fox and if necessary, Mitchell.

But White is better than Fox and he's reinforced that during scrimmages. Fox shouldn't automatically get the nod over White just bc he was promoted to the senior team first, imo.

[John B]

Pop already dealt with that by putting him on the Select Team to start. Everyone saw him shred the WC pool team. Anyone saying 'favorites' after that is just eating sour grapes. He's earned his invite to LA for the main camp.
But just White making people notice is awesome. He went in there and grabbed the bull by the horn. The kid is hungry!

[Dex]

But White is better than Fox and he's reinforced that during scrimmages. Fox shouldn't automatically get the nod over White just bc he was promoted to the senior team first, imo.

:pop: There is a pecking order.

Just kidding...I trust Pop to make the right decision, especially in this case. If White is playing as well as reports say, he deserves to be on the WC squad.

[exstatic]

But White is better than Fox and he's reinforced that during scrimmages. Fox shouldn't automatically get the nod over White just bc he was promoted to the senior team first, imo.

I think Pop would have liked to promote DW when he did Fox, but wanted the on-court action to dictate DW's position.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Anyone who watched him play this year knew this was coming.

So damn true. The guy has game and is really poised on the court. His play was one of the reasons I felt the Spurs during the draft might trade Murray. Hopefully both Murray and White play well, coexist nicely on the court and stay Spurs for the rest of their career.

[Slippy]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1159294865294995456

Wow. That was damn impressive . I shouldnt be surprised. It's the great white.

[Capt Bringdown]

:lol yeah since Pop has just been beating him down the past two years....

https://b.fssta.com/uploads/application/nba/headshots/1593.vresize.350.425.medium.85.png

[Mr. Body]

Surprised no one else has said this yet. Bucher isn't even slightly credible anymore. Maybe he's right here, and I hope he is, but dude throws shit at walls all the time now. I don't think he's heard anything other than the interviews we've heard about White and Bagley, and he's hoping to capitalize by giving early "reporting" that they'll be promoted. If they are, Bucher looks more legit. If they aren't, no one remembers.

This needs to be corroborated by a much more credible reporter before I believe it.

It literally says that he watched him in person.

[Chinook]

It literally says that he watched him in person.

... Not that part.

[phxspurfan]

seriously though wtf. If White turns out to be an allstar, this FO picked him out of the freaking blue. That's some legendary shit tbh

[J_Paco]

seriously though wtf. If White turns out to be an allstar, this FO picked him out of the freaking blue. That's some legendary shit tbh

Didn't they already do that with Parker and Nephew? They get a lot of hate on this board, but Pop/R.C. have two of the best set of eyes for talent possibly ever.

[tbdog]

White has the tools to be special but probably not the time. He always had a good feel for the game, and is sneaky and incredibly athletic. It's now about the skill.

[Dex]

seriously though wtf. If White turns out to be an allstar, this FO picked him out of the freaking blue. That's some legendary shit tbh

Seriously. Murray and Walker were both potential lottery picks that slipped, but DW was a straight diamond in the rough.

[exstatic]

Seriously. Murray and White were both potential lottery picks that slipped, but DW was a straight diamond in the rough.

Did you mean Walker? Because White was never on the lottery radar. He didn't even think he'd be a first rounder, and watched the draft at home.

[Dex]

Did you mean Walker? Because White was never on the lottery radar. He didn't even think he'd be a first rounder, and watched the draft at home.

Derp...yeah, that's what I meant.

Need more coffee.

:wakeup

[J_Paco]

JVG is the same guy who hyped up Ben Moore. Id take his opinion with a grain of salt.

Off - topic, but Moore does have NBA level intangibles and defensive IQ (that was the one thing TIMVP raved about with his SL performances), but his lack of size and athleticism is his downfall. He also hasn't improved enough from out on the perimeter.

He could probably carve out a good career in Europe, but he seems like a guy that will toil in the G - League just to chase the NBA dream.

On - topic, what do people believe is Derrick's ceiling? I still feel apprehensive about saying he'll be a "star" especially with him being in his physical prime, now.

One of the Spurs blog writers compared him to Bob Sura and Brandon Roy which are two apt comparisons. I'd saying he could be a quality starter (ala Malcolm Brogdon) or an elite 6th man.

[R. DeMurre]

"Media couldn’t watch the entire scrimmage between USA’s World Cup team (varsity) and select team (jv). But two people who were in the gym just told me the select team dominated in stretches, and both said one of the biggest reasons why was Derrick White."

https://clutchpoints.com/report-spurs-derrick-white-helped-select-team-dominate-at-times-during-team-usa-scrimmage/

[exstatic]

Off - topic, but Moore does have NBA level intangibles and defensive IQ (that was the one thing TIMVP raved about with his SL performances), but his lack of size and athleticism is his downfall. He also hasn't improved enough from out on the perimeter.

He could probably carve out a good career in Europe, but he seems like a guy that will toil in the G - League just to chase the NBA dream.

On - topic, what do people believe is Derrick's ceiling? I still feel apprehensive about saying he'll be a "star" especially with him being in his physical prime, now.

One of the Spurs blog writers compared him to Bob Sura and Brandon Roy which are two apt comparisons. I'd saying he could be a quality starter (ala Malcolm Brogdon) or an elite 6th man.

Uh, if Brandon Roy is 'apt', then he can be a star. BR was a three time AS and 3 time All NBA player in basically 5 seasons.

[ZeusWillJudge]

One of the Spurs blog writers compared him to Bob Sura and Brandon Roy which are two apt comparisons. I'd saying he could be a quality starter (ala Malcolm Brogdon) or an elite 6th man.


I like White, and I'm encouraged by what we're hearing. But I don't understand why anyone would try to compare him to Brandon Roy, even a little bit. Roy was taller, heavier, stronger, and a 2 guard all the way. And he hit the NBA running as a star-caliber player. Even if White takes another big step up this season, he won't be anything like Brandon Roy. A lot of people here will scream, but DDR is a much better comparison to Roy in pretty much every way.

If you had asked me on his draft night, or even at the end of his rookie season, I would have said that White's play this past year was pretty much his ceiling, and I would have been happy with it. If he improves this year, there's no doubt about his ceiling being higher than we thought. If he can get his 3P% up closer to .400 (and take a few more), he's already there. But success also means that opposing teams will start coming after him harder, and that's when the real test starts.

But Brandon Roy? Find out who that blogger is, and we'll get to work figuring out his ST alt.

[Dejounte]

White is craftier than Roy and plays way better defense (can guard players bigger than him so Roy being bigger and heavier doesnt matter). Ill take his potential over Roy. Call me crazy.

[phxspurfan]

Off - topic, but Moore does have NBA level intangibles and defensive IQ (that was the one thing TIMVP raved about with his SL performances), but his lack of size and athleticism is his downfall. He also hasn't improved enough from out on the perimeter.

He could probably carve out a good career in Europe, but he seems like a guy that will toil in the G - League just to chase the NBA dream.

On - topic, what do people believe is Derrick's ceiling? I still feel apprehensive about saying he'll be a "star" especially with him being in his physical prime, now.

One of the Spurs blog writers compared him to Bob Sura and Brandon Roy which are two apt comparisons. I'd saying he could be a quality starter (ala Malcolm Brogdon) or an elite 6th man.

Unfortunately Ben Moore didn’t show any NBA level skills. Guys like White, Walker, have NBA level skills (court vision/speed, and speed/athleticism, respectively).

[FkLA]

This will be White's team in 20-21. Shit, he might even fuck around and make it his team this upcoming season. That's how high his ceiling is, imho.

[Dejounte]

Double post

[exstatic]

White is craftier than Roy and plays way better defense (can guard players bigger than him so Roy being bigger and heavier doesnt matter). Ill take his potential over Roy. Call me crazy.

Roy's Knee was a ticking time bomb that unfortunately went off after only 5 seasons. Portland took an number of medical red flag gambles, and literally none of them came out OK. He was never going to have a long career.

[SpursDynasty85]

White is craftier than Roy and plays way better defense (can guard players bigger than him so Roy being bigger and heavier doesnt matter). Ill take his potential over Roy. Call me crazy.

You really underrate how good Brandon Roy was or you are overrating how good White is. Call me crazy but White making an all-star team is a big long shot while Brandon Roy was legitimate SUPER STAR / All-NBA level player for a couple of seasons. Too bad his knees gave him trouble throughout his career and eventually ended it.

[Dejounte]

You really underrate how good Brandon Roy was or you are overrating how good White is. Call me crazy but White making an all-star team is a big long shot while Brandon Roy was legitimate SUPER STAR / All-NBA level player for a couple of seasons. Too bad his knees gave him trouble throughout his career and eventually ended it.

You overrate how Roy was. I was a big follower of his, even laughed at people who thought Rodney Carney (bet you dont know who that is) would be better than him. Roy was not a freaking "legitimate superstar". He was an allstar, yes. I dont know what alternate universe you were from.... But thats either revisionist history or youre dreaming.

[alpha_HaZE]

White is craftier than Roy and plays way better defense (can guard players bigger than him so Roy being bigger and heavier doesnt matter). Ill take his potential over Roy. Call me crazy.

Everyone would take MOST young NBA player's potential over Roy, because as we all know Roy had bad knees. So what's your point?

You must be crazy if you are taking a white over a healthy Roy.

[rastaspur]

I like White, and I'm encouraged by what we're hearing. But I don't understand why anyone would try to compare him to Brandon Roy, even a little bit. Roy was taller, heavier, stronger, and a 2 guard all the way. And he hit the NBA running as a star-caliber player. Even if White takes another big step up this season, he won't be anything like Brandon Roy. A lot of people here will scream, but DDR is a much better comparison to Roy in pretty much every way.

If you had asked me on his draft night, or even at the end of his rookie season, I would have said that White's play this past year was pretty much his ceiling, and I would have been happy with it. If he improves this year, there's no doubt about his ceiling being higher than we thought. If he can get his 3P% up closer to .400 (and take a few more), he's already there. But success also means that opposing teams will start coming after him harder, and that's when the real test starts.

But Brandon Roy? Find out who that blogger is, and we'll get to work figuring out his ST alt.

From an offensive perspective he was similar to ddr. But way better.

He was a deadly iso player. Such a buttery smooth jumper. I like to watch him operate.

Defensively. He was absolutely atrocious.

[rastaspur]

You overrate how Roy was. I was a big follower of his, even laughed at people who thought Rodney Carney (bet you dont know who that is) would be better than him. Roy was not a freaking "legitimate superstar". He was an allstar, yes. I dont know what alternate universe you were from.... But thats either revisionist history or youre dreaming.

Derrick white has a higher ceiling than brandon roy. Basketball is played on both sides. White is a defrnsive stud in the making. Roy was trash on defense.

[rjv]

If he improves this year, there's no doubt about his ceiling being higher than we thought. If he can get his 3P% up closer to .400 (and take a few more), he's already there. But success also means that opposing teams will start coming after him harder, and that's when the real test starts.

But Brandon Roy? Find out who that blogger is, and we'll get to work figuring out his ST alt.

who's we?

[J_Paco]

Uh, if Brandon Roy is 'apt', then he can be a star. BR was a three time AS and 3 time All NBA player in basically 5 seasons.

I meant in play style not his ceiling. I'm not sure anyone can say where he'll fall (role player, all star or more).

[SpursDynasty85]

Derrick white has a higher ceiling than brandon roy. Basketball is played on both sides. White is a defrnsive stud in the making. Roy was trash on defense.

It is true that bball is played on both sides but I think there is a reason it is hard to find players that can do both. Players only have so much energy and if one is focusing his strengths on defense usually his offense will struggle as he gets out of rhythm, legs get tired, he gets winded, etc... I remember Pop being very hard on Kawhi that he would take plays off or ask for more minutes but Pop would limit his minutes based on the fact Kawhi needed to give 100% effort on both sides. I still believe the best Kawhi we saw was 2017. His offense is slightly better now but his defense took a nose dive. I also think White struggled on offense a bit because he knew his bread and butter was defense last year. If he can put everything together than maybe we can see him make an all-nba or all-star but few players can accomplish that level. I will be cheering for White to accomplish these things but his offense and his ability to penetrate is very inconsistent. Still think he is a play-making 2 gaurd and not a pg, which makes a 6th man role a slightly better fit but we will see.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1159959654413275136

[KobesAchilles]

When is the soonest we can lock this kid up? He could be looking at a huge pay day down the road and if the Spurs have to choose between him and DDR then I hope they pick White

[ZeusWillJudge]

From an offensive perspective he was similar to ddr. But way better.

He was a deadly iso player. Such a buttery smooth jumper. I like to watch him operate.

Defensively. He was absolutely atrocious.


100% spot on. It was a shame that he got injured. I appreciate ballers, even if they don't play for the Spurs. Roy was one.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeLefko/status/1159992845601660928

[FkLA]

Do some people really think players shoot their in-game percentages during practices? Pros are machines in practice.

I'm a White homer but that video isn't anything special.

[Degoat]

Not to be discouraging, Dwhite is one of my favorite players but da’ron Fox is kinda abusing him so far in the 1st quarter

[FkLA]

Not to be discouraging, Dwhite is one of my favorite players but da’ron Fox is kinda abusing him so far in the 1st quarter

:lol

[FkLA]

DWhite comes in, creates 3 wide open looks for his teammates, all missed.

But he's getting abused. :rolleyes

[Degoat]

DWhite comes in, creates 3 wide open looks for his teammates, all missed.

But he's getting abused. :rolleyes

hes been visibly frustrated at his own play lol you watching the right game?

[raybies]

dwhite a practice all star. when the light gets bright he shys away.

lmao at FKLA

Murray better. At least he ain't scared.

[timtonymanu]

dwhite a practice all star. when the light gets bright he shys away.

lmao at FKLA

Murray better. At least he ain't scared.

Raybies another faggot with a faggot take.

[timtonymanu]

The IB fans are always quick to criticize white being scared or that he was benched in game 7. But prop up Murray for not being scared even though he had no jump shot his first 2 seasons. Looked like he was about to have one last year before getting injured. In essence, quit being faggots and let these guys developments year after year speak for themselves. Can’t wait till White shits on that raybies faggot all season.

[FkLA]

Idiots/IB fans will act like he was bad, but in reality he's getting whatever he wants out there. His shot just isn't falling and neither are his teammates' when he creates for them. Doesn't help that he's on the clearly inferior team and that the senior team had a chip on their shoulders after all the talk of the select team dominating them at times.

Still, he had like 10 points and 10 assists. Select team looked lost when he was on the bench.

[Genovaswitness]

Murray would have 40 points tbh

[FkLA]

Led the Select Team with 12 points. Had 8 assists (noone on either team had more than 4). 3 rebs, 2 stls.

Too bad he wasn't hitting his open midrangers/threes and his teammates also shot it poorly or he would've stood out even more, tbh.


https://twitter.com/MikeLefko/status/1160038609371533312

[raybies]

Raybies another faggot with a faggot take.
LMAO

[raybies]

Stay Salty my friends...

jebaited...

[buujness]

Wasn't impressed with Derrick's overall play in this scrimmage, to be honest. Offensively, he was fine, but he didn't really make a difference on the defensive end, which was disappointing. De'Aaron Fox outplayed him today.

According to the reports, it was the other way around over the last two days, and one game is not the be-all, end-all. Just a bit disappointed. Not sure if he's internalized how good he can be just yet.

[Chinook]

People REALLY want to make White/Murray into Parker/Ginobili 2.0. Just let them sort it out on the court. Hopefully, they're both living in Walker's or Samanic's worlds soon enough anyway.

[raybies]

People REALLY want to make White/Murray into Parker/Ginobili 2.0. Just let them sort it out on the court. Hopefully, they're both living in Walker's or Samanic's worlds soon enough anyway.
i don't care either way.. I'm a spurs fan not a player fan. I just spit some cliches and look at these grown men get emotional :lol

don't know who started the stupid white/murray comps but it's idiotic. just be glad we have them both. \\\

[Genovaswitness]

Wasn't impressed with Derrick's overall play in this scrimmage, to be honest. Offensively, he was fine, but he didn't really make a difference on the defensive end, which was disappointing. De'Aaron Fox outplayed him today.

According to the reports, it was the other way around over the last two days, and one game is not the be-all, end-all. Just a bit disappointed. Not sure if he's internalized how good he can be just yet.

hes mentally weak. scores 36 against Denver then forgets how to play :lmao

[FkLA]

:lol People really acting like Fox outplayed White. Half of his points were; 2 turnovers by White team that led to easy transition points, a steal on White from behind that may or may not have been a foul (White was pretty demonstrative about the fact that it was, no replays) that also led to an easy basket. The dunk down the middle was a defensive breakdown. Tbf he did have a nice open floor take against White.

Have them switch teams and get back to me.

[FkLA]

hes mentally weak. scores 36 against Denver then forgets how to play :lmao

What's IB's playoff career high, like 10 points? :lol

[FkLA]

One guy is still posting highlight videos on instagram. The other guy is doing this:

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/1160044903843282945
https://twitter.com/MikeLefko/status/1160044704412495872

:worthy:

[Russ]

White called up to join the big team per NBA TV.

[Genovaswitness]

One guy is still posting highlight videos on instagram. The other guy is doing this:

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/1160044903843282945
https://twitter.com/MikeLefko/status/1160044704412495872

:worthy:

what is nepotism my man. white is 25 he should be getting good playoff numbers...Murray’s still young. kawhi was a finals MVP at 22..

[Chinook]

Good. So now that this is done, there will be some people who believe Bucher actually had a source that told him this rather than just taking the same interviews we saw and reading the tea leaves. Obviously, I'm not saying any of this to detract from White. I'm happy he got on the big club and hope he is one of the final 12. I'm just saying that this is what guys like TSpence and Incarcerated Bob have been doing for years. They take something that is likely to happen based on reading the tea leaves and "report" it as a scoop. So the next time Bucher posts something about the Spurs, people will take it more seriously and give him attention even though he's just making it up.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1160060936645947392

[Pavlov]

Good. So now that this is done, there will be some people who believe Bucher actually had a source that told him this rather than just taking the same interviews we saw and reading the tea leaves. Obviously, I'm not saying any of this to detract from White. I'm happy he got on the big club and hope he is one of the final 12. I'm just saying that this is what guys like TSpence and Incarcerated Bob have been doing for years. They take something that is likely to happen based on reading the tea leaves and "report" it as a scoop. So the next time Bucher posts something about the Spurs, people will take it more seriously and give him attention even though he's just making it up.https://media1.tenor.com/images/57e43042904cd5a0ea65b64448677e44/tenor.gif

[r0drig0lac]

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[Dennis the Menace]

He needs to spend the remainder of the summer with Chip. I’m talking breakfast, lunch, and dinner time with Chip.

other aspects of his game are already so well rounded. Once\If he gets the shooting component down automatic then we cooking with gas

[SpursDynasty85]

Derrick's offense is going to struggle if he stays pg. His handles are still shaky for a pg and he is never in rhythm when he shoots. Prefer White at Sg and DJ at pg. White has no reason not to be a knockdown shooter.

[exstatic]

Derrick's offense is going to struggle if he stays pg. His handles are still shaky for a pg and he is never in rhythm when he shoots. Prefer White at Sg and DJ at pg. White has no reason not to be a knockdown shooter.

In his first season as starter, his asst/TO ratio was very close to 3/1, 3.9/1.2. His handles are not shaky at all.

[SpursDynasty85]

In his first season as starter, his asst/TO ratio was very close to 3/1, 3.9/1.2. His handles are not shaky at all.

That is a solid asst/TO ratio but that does not paint the whole picture for his handles. He struggles to consistently penetrate and he floated around a lot and not taking enough initiative on offense. Ultimately the most important thing for the team is that White and DJ start hitting there 3's. White seems uncomfortable having to run the offense and find his shot (asking too much of him imo.) This team's best offensive options are still LMA, Derozan, and Gay.

[FkLA]

Derrick's offense is going to struggle if he stays pg. His handles are still shaky for a pg and he is never in rhythm when he shoots. Prefer White at Sg and DJ at pg. White has no reason not to be a knockdown shooter.

This is so off. Its akin to saying Walker is not a good athlete. :lol

[Seventyniner]

People REALLY want to make White/Murray into Parker/Ginobili 2.0. Just let them sort it out on the court. Hopefully, they're both living in Walker's or Samanic's worlds soon enough anyway.

I'll be dancing in the streets if Murray and White end up being even half as good as Parker and Ginobili.

But yeah, there are too many here that seemed to like the whole "praise one of Tony and Manu while shitting on the other" for it to just go away even though those players are gone. Unfortunate reality tbh.

[SpursDynasty85]

This is so off. Its akin to saying Walker is not a good athlete. :lol

You should try and put context when reading that. It is a legit question on whether Derrick is suited for SG or PG. I think his offensive potential (scoring/shooting) is best suited as a SG. He will be a better player as a SG. You're comment above is your insecurity coming out just because you have this DJ vs White PG feud. White will definitely play a good amount of SG this year. With Demar, DJ, and Patty running point on a ton of sets.

[FkLA]

You should try and put context when reading that. It is a legit question on whether Derrick is suited for SG or PG. I think his offensive potential (scoring/shooting) is best suited as a SG. He will be a better as a SG too. You're comment above is your insecurity coming out just because you have this DJ vs White PG feud. White will definitely play a good amount of SG this year. With Demar, DJ, and Patty running point on a ton of sets.

White is a natural PG. Sees plays develop before others do. Or flat out sees things that others don't. He's crafty, smooth, and always in control. Great at changing pace. His handles are fine. If anybody's handles are a cause for concern it's Murray's and his high dribble. Remember Pat Beverly bullying him and basically forcing him to bring the ball up with his back to the basket? Lmk when that happens to White.

[SpursDynasty85]

White is a natural PG. Sees plays develop before others do. Or flat out sees things that others don't. He's crafty, smooth, and always in control. Great at changing pace. His handles are fine. If anybody's handles are a cause for concern it's Murray's and his high dribble. Remember Pat Beverly bullying him and basically forcing him to bring the ball up with his back to the basket? Lmk when that happens to White.

I guess we can all see things differently but we both see a lot of potential in White. I think a PG main skills besides being a vocal presence, is to penetrate the lane. Being crafty, smooth, seeing plays ahead of time, are things that can be applied to all positions (Jokic, Lebron, Wade, Manu, etc...). Let DJ run the sets, let White loose like Manu.

[KDKSpurs24]

White is a natural PG. Sees plays develop before others do. Or flat out sees things that others don't. He's crafty, smooth, and always in control. Great at changing pace. His handles are fine. If anybody's handles are a cause for concern it's Murray's and his high dribble. Remember Pat Beverly bullying him and basically forcing him to bring the ball up with his back to the basket? Lmk when that happens to White.
You said Murray. Congrats.

[rjv]

Good. So now that this is done, there will be some people who believe Bucher actually had a source that told him this rather than just taking the same interviews we saw and reading the tea leaves. Obviously, I'm not saying any of this to detract from White. I'm happy he got on the big club and hope he is one of the final 12. I'm just saying that this is what guys like TSpence and Incarcerated Bob have been doing for years. They take something that is likely to happen based on reading the tea leaves and "report" it as a scoop. So the next time Bucher posts something about the Spurs, people will take it more seriously and give him attention even though he's just making it up.

sounds like what a lot of ST posters do, tbh,

[Capt Bringdown]

so is that now THREE guys on this team who shrink under pressure?

LMA
DDR
now
DW
???

The NO BALLS TRIO.

Great

Ha ha, I like White, but he was not having a great outing with 7 turnovers. Channeling the spirit of Manu...

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/CUBuffsMBB/status/1161742466459901953

[phxspurfan]

Coach Nick and 2 randoms opine on White as they're fully onboard. They cite him as already a top 10 defender in the league, and say he's a better on ball defender than Murray.

Starts a couple minutes in after some cringeworthy banter.
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[cutewizard]

White rules

[FkLA]

Coach Nick and 2 randoms opine on White as they're fully onboard. They cite him as already a top 10 defender in the league, and say he's a better on ball defender than Murray.

Starts a couple minutes in after some cringeworthy banter.
Ec_fRvnrv7o

but but what about about IB's all-defense selection :cry

Been saying he's a better defender for a year now. He single handedly turned a bottom of the barrel defense into a middle of the pack defense last year. His defensive versatility is insane (assigned someone like Nephew one day, Kyrie the next). He was robbed of an all-defense selection last year.

[Leetonidas]

but but what about about IB's all-defense selection :cry

Been saying he's a better defender for a year now. He single handedly turned a bottom of the barrel defense into a middle of the pack defense last year. His defensive versatility is insane (assigned someone like Nephew one day, Kyrie the next). He was robbed of an all-defense selection last year.

Considering Murray was out all of last year and White didn't play much his rookie season not sure how much that proclamation means tbh. White is an elite defensive guard, but while he did make us a middle of the pact defensive team last year, Spurs were #4 overall in DRTG in 2018 with Murray as our starter and nephew out the entire season. obv losing Green/Anderson factor into that but Murray is an elite defensive player in his own right...

[FkLA]

Considering Murray was out all of last year and White didn't play much his rookie season not sure how much that proclamation means tbh. White is an elite defensive guard, but while he did make us a middle of the pact defensive team last year, Spurs were #4 overall in DRTG in 2018 with Murray as our starter and nephew out the entire season. obv losing Green/Anderson factor into that but Murray is an elite defensive player in his own right...

Green and Anderson are Top 5 defenders at their respective positions. I think the 2018 defense is just as good or better if you plug in White in IB's place. Can you say the same about last year's defense, if you plug in IB in White's place? That's a no, imo.

IMO IB is an above average to good defender. Somewhat overrated. Kind of like a George Hill. White is truly elite, in the same company as guys like Beverly, Smart, Allen, etc.

[spurraider21]

Green and Anderson are Top 5 defenders at their respective positions. I think the 2018 defense is just as good or better if you plug in White in IB's place. Can you say the same about last year's defense, if you plug in IB in White's place? That's a no, imo.

IMO IB is an above average to good defender. Somewhat overrated. Kind of like a George Hill. White is truly elite, in the same company as guys like Beverly, Smart, Allen, etc.
murray is our only all-defensive team guard tbh :tu

[XDT76]

I don't understand why we always need to say one of our guy is better than the other, what I envisaged is that both White and Murray playing together is going to make our defense so much better.

[HankChinaski]

I don't understand why we always need to say one of our guy is better than the other, what I envisaged is that both White and Murray playing together is going to make our defense so much better.

Because it is the off season and people have to find something to talk about to kill the time before preseason and same people like to quote themselves so they can say told you so months ago to make themselves appear like basketball gurus.

[Jsmythe]

Here's an article titled "NBA's Young Role Players Who Can Still Become Stars". Derrick White is listed at the end of the article.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2849418-nbas-young-role-players-who-can-still-become-stars

Small excerpt:


He's already become an effective NBA shot-creator and efficient scorer off the dribble, having just converted 44.6 percent of his pull-ups (https://stats.nba.com/player/1628401/shots-dash/) and 53.0 percent of his drives (https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVE_FGM&dir=1). Those numbers would rank with some of the league's top guards if he were able to sustain them on more attempts.

[r0drig0lac]

Because it is the off season and people have to find something to talk about to kill the time before preseason and same people like to quote themselves so they can say told you so months ago to make themselves appear like basketball gurus.
bingo

[DeRozan m8]

Derrick and Pop are in my city at the footy...crazy watching these worlds collide as an Aussie

https://i.ibb.co/ZT8kjRG/20190823-201639.jpg

[cutewizard]

Is White ok?

[Dex]

Is White ok?

Kinda old news already, but didn't find it posted anywhere else yet. White took a pretty nasty fall against Australia:

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Need four stitches over his eye and passed his concussion tests. He played a bit vs. Canada so they must feel he is alright.

[Phenomanul]

White will have a breakout season this upcoming NBA season.

Let's hope that he can excel in WC play and that said confidence leads him to a dominant season much like Manu's 2004 Olympic run gave way to a dominant 2004-2005 season.

[BD24]

murray is our only all-defensive team guard tbh :tu

[FkLA]

god bless the great Derrick White :worthy:

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1167119499033817089

[UZER]

White rules

Racist

[FkLA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNzMGugtLkY

[wildbill2u]

White making his mark in NBA daily news. Opening picture on article about defense oriented team USA is of White guarding the Greek Freak and the article mentions his defense as the key to stoppiing him on at least one possession. He's not just watching and learning as a newcomer on Team USA, he's getting some burn and some deserved praise.

I can hardly wait to see this year's team take shape.

[ismael-robert]

His shooting not seeming to be taking shape yet

[phxspurfan]

White's ceiling is Andre Miller tbh. Non shooter

[SpursDynasty85]

White's ceiling is Andre Miller tbh. Non shooter

Different players but it would be amazing if White had a career like Andre Miller. Dude was real good.

[phxspurfan]

Different players but it would be amazing if White had a career like Andre Miller. Dude was real good.

Yeah it’s not meant as an insult. Miller was an excellent PG and delivered in multiple playoff games as well. Very consistent PG with vision and pace. JKidd without the jumper.

[Degoat]

I’m a big Derrick White fan so maybe I’m bias but I think his jump shot will be fine. He just has to not worry about Pop pulling him if he misses some and plays patty mills instead lol

[phxspurfan]

I’m a big Derrick White fan so maybe I’m bias but I think his jump shot will be fine. He just has to not worry about Pop pulling him if he misses some and plays patty mills instead lol

50 million dollar man gonna play

[Play Boban]

He got exposed BUG TIME in the World Cup tbqh

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvizpe2vxU

[sasaint]

I’m a big Derrick White fan so maybe I’m bias but I think his jump shot will be fine. He just has to not worry about Pop pulling him if he misses some and plays patty mills instead lol

I agree. Derrick shot almost 40% from the college 3-point line. Even though he did not shoot as well in G-league play as my faulty memory recalled, I think he will be much improved this season. If BOTH he and Dijon have improved their 3-pt shots, the Spurs will be in business. I believe Patty will get plenty of burn, but more at the 2 spot. Especially after White's FIBA outing, I expect him to be on a much longer leash this season. He should not need to look over his shoulder at Patty.

[wildbill2u]

Did it help him? Well, compared to sitting on his ass in Colorado all summer I think the level of competitors he was exposed to every day in practice was proof to him that he is nearing legitimacy as an NBA star. Of course it helped him.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Fastest Players in the NBA (according to NBA 2K19). I hope the link works - it's one of those click-bait lists:
https://hoopshype.com/2019/09/22/the-fastest-players-in-the-league-according-to-nba-2k20/#slideIdslide-13


I know 2K19 isn't an official source, but the point is that White is fast. His combine times were incredible, too. I think a lot of people here still don't understand how athletic he really is. They crow about LWIV's athleticism, even if they don't like him. But the top of that list is some pretty impressive company.

[Drom John]

https://stats.nba.com/players/speed-distance/?sort=AVG_SPEED&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759

Average speed 2018-2019
4.67MPH Dante Cunningham
4.51MPH Davis Bertans
4.49MPH Patty Mills
4.48MPH Jakob Poeltl
4.48MPH Marco Belinelli
4.40MPH Derrick White
4.30MPH Bryn Forbes
4.28MPH Quincy Pondexter
4.25MPH Chimezie Metu
4.24MPH Lonnie Walker IV
4.23MPH Donatas Motiejunas
4.18MPH DeMar DeRozan
4.18MPH Rudy Gay
4.17MPH Drew Eubanks
4.12MPH Pau Gasol
4.05MPH LaMarcus Aldridge

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://stats.nba.com/players/speed-distance/?sort=AVG_SPEED&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759

Average speed 2018-2019
4.67MPH Dante Cunningham
4.51MPH Davis Bertans


Have you ever looked closely at those NBA website numbers? I'm not barking at you about it - it's not your doing. The first time I saw that I thought it was going to be great, but it doesn't tell you shit. You can't compare apples to apples at all, because of what they're measuring and how.

That NBA website shows offensive and defensive "average speed" (whatever the hell that means). Last year, it says the fastest on defense were: Cunningham, Poeltl, and... Motiejunas? And for overall "average speed", it shows Motiejunas as being faster than DeRozan and just a hair slower than Lonnie Walker. That alone should tell you that it's meaningless.
White was considerably faster in the 3/4 sprint at their respective combines, when they were both young. Now Cun has been around for 10 years or so - there's no way he's faster than White.


White's sprint time would make him one of the fastest in any combine in the last 10 years (maybe longer). He would have been the fastest in 3 or 4 combines in that timespan. And of the few guys who were faster, probably half never made it in the NBA. He's quick enough to blow past a majority of defenders. If he's improved skills and confidence in the offseason, it's going to be hard to keep him off the floor.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DynamicCoaches/status/1267641991854272513

[JuneJive]

Yup.

Jesus, get DeRozan the fuck outta here.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1272917842988544000

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[paperboy77]

Have you ever looked closely at those NBA website numbers? I'm not barking at you about it - it's not your doing. The first time I saw that I thought it was going to be great, but it doesn't tell you shit. You can't compare apples to apples at all, because of what they're measuring and how.

That NBA website shows offensive and defensive "average speed" (whatever the hell that means). Last year, it says the fastest on defense were: Cunningham, Poeltl, and... Motiejunas? And for overall "average speed", it shows Motiejunas as being faster than DeRozan and just a hair slower than Lonnie Walker. That alone should tell you that it's meaningless.
White was considerably faster in the 3/4 sprint at their respective combines, when they were both young. Now Cun has been around for 10 years or so - there's no way he's faster than White.


White's sprint time would make him one of the fastest in any combine in the last 10 years (maybe longer). He would have been the fastest in 3 or 4 combines in that timespan. And of the few guys who were faster, probably half never made it in the NBA. He's quick enough to blow past a majority of defenders. If he's improved skills and confidence in the offseason, it's going to be hard to keep him off the floor.




That's all it is with this kid. It's truly amazing what confidence can do for someone.

[TDMVPDPOY]

since walker cut his hair, is this clown going to do the same? or he going to follow wombat leaving it long so he can stand out on the floor?

[Sugus]

since walker cut his hair, is this clown going to do the same? or he going to follow wombat leaving it long so he can stand out on the floor?

Damn, I always reach a point where I don't think there's actually people who still judge others based on how long they leave their hair or what they do with it. And then a retard like you comes along and reminds me that, even though it's 2020, some folks just never made it past the turn of the century, mentally.

[ace3g]

This just appeared on my twitter feed.

Congrats to them.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhSBUccWsAAcPzL?format=jpg&name=large

[Robz4000]

Congrats to White. Was his toe surgery that serious to need a walking boot still?

[DAF86]

My man likes them chubby.

[BillMc]

Congrats Derrick!!

[BackHome]

Our starting PG tied the knot good for him wish him much success and happiness.

[Dverde]

Wtf up with her pants. Congrats to them.

[Nivek_ogre]

My man likes them chubby.

Fuck yes

[poopbox]

Proposed in a walking boot :cry

She must have that snappa :clap

[TimDunkem]

D. White all up in that fat white booty.

Nathan and FrostKing are punching the air right now.

[phxspurfan]

https://twitter.com/DynamicCoaches/status/1267641991854272513

thats some nice clips

[GAustex]

Wonder where DJM rates?

[Collins21]

D. White all up in that fat white booty.

Nathan and FrostKing are punching the air right now.

Yo wtf lol.

[DAF86]

Give this man the freedom to take as many offensive responsabilities as possible and profit, tbh. I've saying it for years now.

[exstatic]

Give this man the freedom to take as many offensive responsabilities as possible and profit, tbh. I've saying it for years now.

Yup. The #1 most efficient PnR ball handler in the league.

[J_Paco]

Yup. The #1 most efficient PnR ball handler in the league.

This is the exact reason why the team shouldn't draft another guard. Derrick is our PG & DeJounte needs to play off-ball.

Patty isn't an adequate backup playmaker or ballhandler, but maybe Lonnie can sharpen those skills as the backup SG.

[DAF86]

This is the exact reason why the team shouldn't draft another guard. Derrick is our PG & Keldon needs to play off-ball.

Murray isn't an adequate backup playmaker or ballhandler, but maybe Lonnie can sharpen those skills as the backup SG.

And Patty needs to be traded.

Fixed it up a bit for you, tbh

[BackHome]

There is maybe 3 or 4 guys I would take in the second round that are not PG if they gone I would not be upset getting one with our second round pick and True PG not a PG/SG .

[J_Paco]

Fixed it up a bit for you, tbh

Keldon can play the 3 either starting or backing up (Demar) depending on who we draft. He is great as a hustle/energy guy that could be a great combination with Lonnie off the bench.

I'm trying to be realistic & I'm almost 100% sure Pop won't get rid of Mills, Forbes and/or Murray (who I like unlike most of ST) in one offseason.

Derrick & DeJounte should be our starting backcourt unless Lonnie and/or Keldon has a huge jump in play.

[J_Paco]

There is maybe 3 or 4 guys I would take in the second round that are not PG if they gone I would not be upset getting one with our second round pick and True PG not a PG/SG .

Again, no thanks.

We already have a slew of guards/combo guards in the pipeline & the team needs to address other needs. Draft picks would be better utilized acquiring more talent at the 3, 4 and/or 5.

A "pure point guard" - which is overrated in today's NBA where 1 - 5 can handle the ball/play make - isn't gonna make DeJounte, Derrick, Lonnie, Keldon, Luka or Trey better.

The only two it could benefit having a "pure point" are Poeltl and Eubanks. Although, Poeltl isn't a good enough roll man or at all a lob threat to make it primary offensive weapon. Eubanks could be a lob threat, yet he's still a developmental player.

[ace3g]

CGiyyiNn49p

[Degoat]

Get it done spurs!!!!

[TD 21]

If true, what a slap in the face. If I'm his agent, on principle alone, I have to get more than Murray.

[TDMVPDPOY]

If true, what a slap in the face. If I'm his agent, on principle alone, I have to get more than Murray.

he get +20m per season if DD or LMA wasnt on the team....

[EasyMoney]

If true, maybe its because of surgeries on the same foot in back to back seasons? He deserves more than dejounte.

[r0drig0lac]

CGiyyiNn49p

great

[Dejounte]

Who cares what he deserves? If he accepts it, he's clearly happy. If he doesn't like it, he'll push back. Spurs fans will create drama where there is none.

[SpursDynasty85]

If true, maybe its because of surgeries on the same foot in back to back seasons? He deserves more than dejounte.

Dejounte was overpaid plain and simple. He had a couple good games right before his new contract but then has been pretty mediocre since then.

[The Truth #6]

Dejounte is in a role ill suited for him. In the bubble he had shared responsibilities and that’s how it should be. However, the presence of DeRozan and his stature, in my opinion, helped DJ accept a shared role. If Derozan is no longer on the team, can DJ share the back court with Derrick and not pout? I’m dubious, but hope it can change.

[KobesAchilles]

He might want more playing time rather than the contract. He will be able to get $15 about anywhere in the league. Difference might be he could be a starter

[TD 21]

It's not about what he's willing to accept, it's about not disrespecting him or creating resentment. Even if he foolishly accepted that now, in a year the gulf between them could be drastic enough that he could feel differently.

They should have the foresight to at least offer him an identical contract.


If true, maybe its because of surgeries on the same foot in back to back seasons? He deserves more than dejounte.

That'd make more sense if Murray hadn't already torn his ACL. Granted, that's an injury with a proven track record of being able to return to form, but still.

[exstatic]

He might want more playing time rather than the contract. He will be able to get $15 about anywhere in the league. Difference might be he could be a starter

No. There are only like three teams with Cap room, required to fit $15M, and none of them are going to waste time making that offer to White, when it will surely be matched.

[Dejounte]

Derrick is about to sign the biggest contract of his life. You would think he would put enough thought into it before signing it whether he's going to be happy or sad about it down the road. You would think he's weighed in on all possible scenarios - good or bad. If not, then it's a sign he isn't very mature and/or he should fire his agent. To assume he would throw a fit once he realizes he signed a contract lower than his perceived value is selling his critical thinking skills and emotional intelligence short. If he did feel some sort of way after the fact, I would hope he is a grown ass adult and would get over it quick since he is the one who put his signature on the dotted line.

This is all assuming the supposed rumor is true and that he actually signs it. We don't know yet what's going on in his head.

[Dejounte]

I think people underrate the perks a lifelong Spur has. It's not about a single contract, the Spurs take care of their players long after their NBA career as a player is over. This is something all Spurs probably factor in when signing a contract with the Spurs. They probably look at past Spurs players and see that they land coaching gigs, broadcasting gigs, local TV commercial gigs. This is something to keep in mind when a player signs with the Spurs with a contract below their perceived value.

[spurspl]

imo hes gonna take it without any hesitation but the fact that murray has a better contract is just not fair. its "only" 4mil $ so it could be worse

[Chinook]

The Spurs shouldn't worry about DJM's contract when negotiating with White. It was a completely different financial climate. It would basically be like using Mozgov/Biyombo/Mahinmi to figure out Poeltl's deal. If it's not enough to White and he makes a counter offer, that's just negotiating. If he signs it but then wants out because he then realizes Murray makes more, fuck him. Trade him and move on with your life. He's not worth getting upset about. He has a long way to go in order to be considered a life-long Spurs too. I like. I always have. But the team has to look out for itself. That's the real lesson from the Leonard drama.

[Ocotillo]

Granted, I don't really know him but Derrick seems like a level headed guy. It may not be the case of trying to squeeze every last dollar out of the Spurs that he can get. He may be of the mind that he gets a good contract and does not appear to be the type that will burn through his money the way some guys end up doing. At the end of the day, if he took the offer, he is set for life as long as he is not foolish.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are egos and agents and I am a fan hoping for the hometown discount but he strikes me as the type of player that will ask for a get what he thinks is a fair deal and not be a bitch about who gets paid more.

[Dejounte]

I don't think White would "just realize" Murray makes more after signing the contract. If I was his agent, that would probably be the first thing that gets brought up.

[KobesAchilles]

No. There are only like three teams with Cap room, required to fit $15M, and none of them are going to waste time making that offer to White, when it will surely be matched.
He could always play out his contract and get a bigger (same) pay then. Like what S-Jax did to get to Indiana. If White isn't getting the burn, and still stuck behind Forbes who we all know is going to be re-upped by Pop, then I can see him turning down the offer and start looking for greener pastures. Dallas would be a great fit

[TD 21]

I didn't comment on his intelligence or lack thereof, I just said in a year the gap in their play could be significant enough that it'd be absurd that he'd be making less or even equal than/to Murray.



The Spurs shouldn't worry about DJM's contract when negotiating with White. It was a completely different financial climate. It would basically be like using Mozgov/Biyombo/Mahinmi to figure out Poeltl's deal. If it's not enough to White and he makes a counter offer, that's just negotiating. If he signs it but then wants out because he then realizes Murray makes more, fuck him. Trade him and move on with your life. He's not worth getting upset about. He has a long way to go in order to be considered a life-long Spurs too. I like. I always have. But the team has to look out for itself. That's the real lesson from the Leonard drama.

The gap in Murray's contract and this speculated offer is small enough that the different financial climate doesn't fly in this case.

The Spurs should worry about that and if they're not, White and his agent definitely should.

[exstatic]

He could always play out his contract and get a bigger (same) pay then. Like what S-Jax did to get to Indiana. If White isn't getting the burn, and still stuck behind Forbes who we all know is going to be re-upped by Pop, then I can see him turning down the offer and start looking for greener pastures. Dallas would be a great fit

White is on a full burn first round rookie deal ,nothing like Jack’s contract. He can’t just walk until after year 5, two years from now. That’s a big risk, both injury wise, and economy wise.

[KobesAchilles]

White is on a full burn first round rookie deal ,nothing like Jack’s contract. He can’t just walk until after year 5, two years from now. That’s a big risk, both injury wise, and economy wise.
dang it's two years from now? Thought he could walk after next season. My bad :lol

[exstatic]

dang it's two years from now? Thought he could walk after next season. My bad :lol

On a 5 year rookie deal, you can sign an extension after year three that kicks in after year four. If you don’t, you’re a restricted FA after year four. If you still can’t reach a deal, the team has a one year option for year five. It’s bad to get to that point. It’s considered a one year contract, so the player cannot be traded without their consent, and they’re unrestricted at the end of the season.

[rankingtear]

Every players know the market is lower now even Poeltl has said as much that it would be lower because of the Pandemic and China. Cap would not rise it is projected at 115 now but it would stay that way or lower the following years.

[B1gduff]

Wow, I've never seen so many people complaing about a team friendly deal. If White, loves playing here and is willing to take paycut, y'all should be happy.

[LCM]

The cap was projected to be 115 million. Dropped to 114 after Morey tweet and China got pissed. Then here comes Covid. They played under a cap of 109 million this year. The best hope they have is if the cap stays the same at 109 million or slightly drops. But, with all the revenue streams that were road blocked this year, that cap isn't rising anytime soon. Getting White on an extension that's slightly more money than Mills per year, I'd take that all day long.

[Chinook]

The gap in Murray's contract and this speculated offer is small enough that the different financial climate doesn't fly in this case.

The Spurs should worry about that and if they're not, White and his agent definitely should.

This doesn't make sense. If you take Deeks projections for the future cap years a good estimate of what a non-COVID cap would've been, you have Murray averaging just under 1/8 of the cap over his first three years (Deeks didn't project into the final year of DJM's deal). With the news now that the cap is expected to be flat for the next two seasons and then depressed the season after that, we can project what Murray's contract would have to have been in non-COVID dollars in order to have the impact that his real contract will have. Murray's contract is now projected to take up an average of 14 percent of the cap, or a $73M/4. This projected opening offer for White will have the same impact as a $68M/4 deal would've when Murray signed his deal.

So yeah, this offer to White is comparatively better than the one they gave Murray. The Spurs cannot have as much confidence in their future financial situation as they had last year. We may still be heading toward a lockout if the owners and players can't agree to a deal. Murray's contract looks much worse now than it did then because of how less likely it is that the Spurs can retain future flexibility with that deal on the books. The Spurs should think twice before committing a bigger contract to White, even though the dude is obviously worth more than DJM right now. They can't afford to spend like the league isn't in a crisis right now. Derrick has a very real value that can be exceeded by a bad deal, and while the Spurs could come up a decent amount from this and still have a good contract, they can't go into this worrying about DJM's and White's status or feelings.

[poopbox]

Dejounte is in a role ill suited for him. In the bubble he had shared responsibilities and that’s how it should be. However, the presence of DeRozan and his stature, in my opinion, helped DJ accept a shared role. If Derozan is no longer on the team, can DJ share the back court with Derrick and not pout? I’m dubious, but hope it can change.

Weird that you think that Dejounte would pout when he advocated for playing with White more this whole season...

[John B]

White will sign that contract and Spurs will take care of him in the long run. He's a lifer.

[The Truth #6]

Weird that you think that Dejounte would pout when he advocated for playing with White more this whole season...

If Dejounte is no longer the point guard, then yes I think he would see that as a demotion.

[SpursDynasty85]

If Dejounte is no longer the point guard, then yes I think he would see that as a demotion.

White has clearly supplanted him and possibly Keldon by mid-season. Him and Lonnie are the ones competing for minutes this year, imo.

[exstatic]

If Dejounte is no longer the point guard, then yes I think he would see that as a demotion.

If we are truly moving on from LMA, and going back to The Beautiful Game, then there really isn’t a PG.

[The Truth #6]

If we are truly moving on from LMA, and going back to The Beautiful Game, then there really isn’t a PG.

That would be great. But there’s no guarantee in either of those first two suppositions. But if they are trying to get back to that style of play, I don’t know if our current players are anywhere near what we had back in 2014 to make it work.

Again, my point is that Murray sees himself as a point guard, and if he doesn’t have the ball in his hands so that he can tell himself that he’s a point guard, then I wonder how he will react to a change in role. Let’s hope it is not a problem, obviously. And I would love for the beautiful game to return, for it to work, for there not to be any player dissatisfaction.

[exstatic]

That would be great. But there’s no guarantee in either of those first two suppositions. But if they are trying to get back to that style of play, I don’t know if our current players are anywhere near what we had back in 2014 to make it work.

I think it would. We actually have a higher volume of penetraters now, with DJ, White, Lonnie, and Keldon. Back in the day, it was really only TP, Manu, and Boris. Patty and LDN were stationary objects.

[The Truth #6]

White has clearly supplanted him and possibly Keldon by mid-season. Him and Lonnie are the ones competing for minutes this year, imo.

Why do you think White has clearly supplanted him? Obviously, White is a better point guard but White is the one who got second team minutes much of the year.

[The Truth #6]

I think it would. We actually have a higher volume of penetraters now, with DJ, White, Lonnie, and Keldon. Back in the day, it was really only TP, Manu, and Boris. Patty and LDN were stationary objects.

Fair point. For it to work, everyone needs to be a willing passer, not necessarily a brilliant passer.

[Chinook]

The BG years totally had a lead PG. They didn't have someone set everyone up CP3 style, but Parker did leverage the offense for the most part. The Spurs aren't near that. They don't have any good penetators except maybe DMDR. White and Johnson do well on secondary penetration, but they need someone to cause the defense to move to give them leverage. That's why Kira Lewis is so intriguing. The BG Spurs also relied on a solid foundation of post-ups -- with the post duck-in being the first option in the motion-weak set the team used at the time. Getting rid of LMA and starting Poeltl would hurt that. If they drafted someone like Toppin and giving him the task to bullying his man to get good position in the paint and then finding the open man if he's doubled, then that would make sense. The BG was also backed up with a great defense with one of the best defenders in NBA history, one of the best wing defenders in NBA history, some guy named Kawhi, Splitter and numerous other players who were at least average on that end during the team's heyday. If you're trying to replicate that with DMDR playing PF, it's going to be really hard.

If I were going to fix the offense, I'd draft Toppin, trade Murray for Lewis, have LMA stay outside most of the time and run Lewis, White, DeRozan, Toppin, Aldridge as the first unit and Mills, Walker, Johnson, Gay and Poeltl as the second unit. That's not a perfect rotation, but it has a lot of offensive dynamism and room to grow as the vets age out. Plus as is it preserves a max slot for 2021. Why would they need that? No idea. But it could come in handy.

[look_at_g_shred]

Is the source even legit?

[BackHome]

I really like Lewis I would do that trade in a heart beat I think he could have a big impact on any team that lands him.

[SpursDynasty85]

Why do you think White has clearly supplanted him? Obviously, White is a better point guard but White is the one who got second team minutes much of the year..

The bubble play sealed it. White was the leader of the young squad which includes Murray. It would be stupid of the coaches at this point to consider White lower in the rotation than Murray. I will say there is a small sliver he wins it back if he improves drastically because he may not have been fully "feeling right" comjng back from surgery. I am hoping that was the case.

[poopbox]

The BG years totally had a lead PG. They didn't have someone set everyone up CP3 style, but Parker did leverage the offense for the most part. The Spurs aren't near that. They don't have any good penetators except maybe DMDR. White and Johnson do well on secondary penetration, but they need someone to cause the defense to move to give them leverage. That's why Kira Lewis is so intriguing. The BG Spurs also relied on a solid foundation of post-ups -- with the post duck-in being the first option in the motion-weak set the team used at the time. Getting rid of LMA and starting Poeltl would hurt that. If they drafted someone like Toppin and giving him the task to bullying his man to get good position in the paint and then finding the open man if he's doubled, then that would make sense. The BG was also backed up with a great defense with one of the best defenders in NBA history, one of the best wing defenders in NBA history, some guy named Kawhi, Splitter and numerous other players who were at least average on that end during the team's heyday. If you're trying to replicate that with DMDR playing PF, it's going to be really hard.



If I were going to fix the offense, I'd draft Toppin, trade Murray for Lewis, have LMA stay outside most of the time and run Lewis, White, DeRozan, Toppin, Aldridge as the first unit and Mills, Walker, Johnson, Gay and Poeltl as the second unit. That's not a perfect rotation, but it has a lot of offensive dynamism and room to grow as the vets age out. Plus as is it preserves a max slot for 2021. Why would they need that? No idea. But it could come in handy.

I don't understand why people are so quick to want to get rid of Murray, especially for players who we have seen play exactly 0 seconds of nba basketball, while at the same time carving out some role on this team for LMA, and we played our most consistent basketball when he wasn't on the team...

[Chinook]

I don't understand why people are so quick to want to get rid of Murray, especially for players who we have seen play exactly 0 seconds of nba basketball, while at the same time carving out some role on this team for LMA, and we played our most consistent basketball when he wasn't on the team...

Um... The Spurs didn't play their best basketball without LMA. With him, they made the playoffs four years in a row. People act as if somehow eight games were the entire season. The reality is that DMDR at the four isn't sustainable. It's something the team should do as much as they can get away with it, but how much that is way less than full time. DeRozan can't hold up there, and it's too easy to exploit. Not playing Forbes really helped. It's also not like Murray played well in the bubble.

Four years isn't quick to give up on anyone. And trading a guy doesn't mean you hate him. STers have this block where they think you keep every good player and somehow can trade all the bad ones for value. Murray isn't horrible, and he should be able to return something good. But he absolutely doesn't fit with the team, and his demeanor is such that he shouldn't be expected to scale back to where he can fit better.

The team's upside isn't hoping that their guys play well. It's getting guys with higher ceilings that fit with their best players (present and future) and hoping they become more than the sum of their parts. To that end, the starting five I listed has way more realistic upside than one where Murray is shoehorned into the starting PG role. Rather than hoping Murray all of the sudden becomes a completely different player and that the team can somehow find the spacing to make Murray/DMDR work and the defense to make tiny-ball viable full time, you just have to hope that everyone can play to their strengths. It also doesn't help that Murray on his contract and White on a similar one is too much money to commit to a rotation that lacks a star and doesn't really play well together. Turning DJM and his contract into a new rookie-scale guard frees up long-term salary for attacking other positions, which is critical to the Spurs have a quick rebuild/reload.

[The Truth #6]

If you can S/T DD, and it frees up room for our young players, then you do it.
If you can trade LMA, without taking back years of a bad salary, then you do it.
If you can trade Dejounte for a higher draft pick, you do it.

However, I don't know if the Spurs will commit to any one of those ideas, and most likely not all three. The team is still risk averse and avoids big changes. But I am happy if they pursue any of those changes.

[poopbox]

Um... The Spurs didn't play their best basketball without LMA. With him, they made the playoffs four years in a row. People act as if somehow eight games were the entire season. The reality is that DMDR at the four isn't sustainable. It's something the team should do as much as they can get away with it, but how much that is way less than full time. DeRozan can't hold up there, and it's too easy to exploit. Not playing Forbes really helped. It's also not like Murray played well in the bubble.

Four years isn't quick to give up on anyone. And trading a guy doesn't mean you hate him. STers have this block where they think you keep every good player and somehow can trade all the bad ones for value. Murray isn't horrible, and he should be able to return something good. But he absolutely doesn't fit with the team, and his demeanor is such that he shouldn't be expected to scale back to where he can fit better.

The team's upside isn't hoping that their guys play well. It's getting guys with higher ceilings that fit with their best players (present and future) and hoping they become more than the sum of their parts. To that end, the starting five I listed has way more realistic upside than one where Murray is shoehorned into the starting PG role. Rather than hoping Murray all of the sudden becomes a completely different player and that the team can somehow find the spacing to make Murray/DMDR work and the defense to make tiny-ball viable full time, you just have to hope that everyone can play to their strengths. It also doesn't help that Murray on his contract and White on a similar one is too much money to commit to a rotation that lacks a star and doesn't really play well together. Turning DJM and his contract into a new rookie-scale guard frees up long-term salary for attacking other positions, which is critical to the Spurs have a quick rebuild/reload.

The very last thing you typed is the exact problem with your stance. There is no quick rebuild / reload for the spurs.

You seem to be looking at this from the perspective of the spurs are this team that is set in stone going forward, and for whatever reason you do not think Dejounte fits into that team, so he needs to be moved for some piece that does fit. I think the opposite. I think their are very few things on this team that are set in stone, seeing as how every single player on this team except Dejounte and soon to be Derrick White is on a one year deal or on a rookie contract.

I also think it's difficult to know exactly how good Dejounte really is because he could not be playing with a group of players who are a worst fit for his skillset, which right now is pushing the ball offensively. Forbes doesn't do anything but shoot open 3's, so unless Dejounte is passing to him while he is open, he gains nothing. LMA is either going to pick and pop all night and you can get some assist out of feeding him, or he is going to hold the ball forever doing his yabba dabba doo post moves and you are going to get 0 assist giving him the ball. He is also one of the worst passing big men I have ever seen and NEVER EVER EVEN ONCE hits Dejounte when he cuts to the rim, which he is very good at, but you wouldn't know unless you really watch a lot of film cause you know, LMA never passes him the ball in that situation. DDR doesn't like to catch and shoot, he prefers to set his own shot up with his dribble, so Dejounte is never going to get anything out of him either. He doesn't shoot 3's, so forget about him ever being an option to get the ball off of Dejounte, or anyone else dribble penetration. Poeltl pretty much doesn't shoot the ball period, and when he does he goes up like the quintessential soft white euro player and ends up bricking the shot or having somebody 4 inches shorter than him block his shot. Rudy is a willing catch and shoot player but it depends more on how his body is feeling that night if he is going to actually makes shots or not. Patty is another guy who only shoots 3's and long 2's...

So Dejounte is left playing with a guy who doesn't do anything but shoot 3's...a guy who NEVER shoots 3's...a guy who either picks and pops all night or NEVER picks and pops, a guy who doesn't shoot at all, and a guy who's body is failing him and you don't really know what you are going to get...I would say the answer is to get rid of those guys and build an actual modern nba team around Dejounte...which the spurs were NOT until they played in the bubble...and then see what happens...

I think this teams upside is EXACTLY what you said it isn't, which is hoping their young guys take a leap and play well. Which is, you know, how virtually every team in the nba operates...and I think the first step in them doing that is to trade an aging big who can only put up effective numbers when the entire offense runs through him, to the detriment of everyone else...spurs need to find a big who can play within the flow of a modern nba offense, a thing that LMA has proven time and time again that he cannot do...to the point that the one instance this season where you were able to completely remove him from the game and play modern basketball for 48 minutes, you had your highest winning percentage of the entire nba season...

I'm only willing to give up Dejounte for somebody I am 100% sure is and will be better than him. Like if OKC wants to trade me SGA for Dejounte...yeah I am doing that, cause I think SGA will end up being a better nba player, due to him being much more fluid on offense than Dejounte...but trade him for the chance at drafting another guard who we all know is going to spend the 1st year in the d league and so it's going to be an entire nba season before I even know if the guy is an nba player ? nah...thats hustling backwards...

[Chinook]

The very last thing you typed is the exact problem with your stance. There is no quick rebuild / reload for the spurs.

First of all, there is. The Spurs totally have paths to try to improve around the guys they already have. That won't get them to be a firm contender or anything, but they can certainly fight for HCA in the first round if they're willing to go for it.


You seem to be looking at this from the perspective of the spurs are this team that is set in stone going forward, and for whatever reason you do not think Dejounte fits into that team, so he needs to be moved for some piece that does fit. I think the opposite. I think their are very few things on this team that are set in stone, seeing as how every single player on this team except Dejounte and soon to be Derrick White is on a one year deal or on a rookie contract.

Nah, I think Murray is easily the worst of White, Walker, Jonhson, Murray and that there are plenty of guards I'd want over him. That doesn't make Murray horrible, but the fact that he's signed to a four-year deal isn't remotely comforting for me.


I also think it's difficult to know exactly how good Dejounte really is because he could not be playing with a group of players who are a worst fit for his skillset, which right now is pushing the ball offensively. Forbes doesn't do anything but shoot open 3's, so unless Dejounte is passing to him while he is open, he gains nothing. LMA is either going to pick and pop all night and you can get some assist out of feeding him, or he is going to hold the ball forever doing his yabba dabba doo post moves and you are going to get 0 assist giving him the ball. He is also one of the worst passing big men I have ever seen and NEVER EVER EVEN ONCE hits Dejounte when he cuts to the rim, which he is very good at, but you wouldn't know unless you really watch a lot of film cause you know, LMA never passes him the ball in that situation. DDR doesn't like to catch and shoot, he prefers to set his own shot up with his dribble, so Dejounte is never going to get anything out of him either. He doesn't shoot 3's, so forget about him ever being an option to get the ball off of Dejounte, or anyone else dribble penetration. Poeltl pretty much doesn't shoot the ball period, and when he does he goes up like the quintessential soft white euro player and ends up bricking the shot or having somebody 4 inches shorter than him block his shot. Rudy is a willing catch and shoot player but it depends more on how his body is feeling that night if he is going to actually makes shots or not. Patty is another guy who only shoots 3's and long 2's...


So Dejounte is left playing with a guy who doesn't do anything but shoot 3's...a guy who NEVER shoots 3's...a guy who either picks and pops all night or NEVER picks and pops, a guy who doesn't shoot at all, and a guy who's body is failing him and you don't really know what you are going to get...I would say the answer is to get rid of those guys and build an actual modern nba team around Dejounte...which the spurs were NOT until they played in the bubble...and then see what happens...

All of those players have been paths to helping NBA offense than Murray does. Of course Forbes is a net-negative. But thinking LMA, DMDR or even Gay should worry about their fit with a relative scrub is absurd. Aldridge is a borderline HoFer. Murray's done nothing. It's insane that you think the goal should be to build around the worst player in the lineup because he's not able to play with anyone better than him.

And :rollin at thinking the bubble team was "built around" Murray when he was the worst player of the starting five. They'd've seriously made the play-in game had they benched him for Johnson.


think this teams upside is EXACTLY what you said it isn't, which is hoping their young guys take a leap and play well. Which is, you know, how virtually every team in the nba operates...

Basically no one does this except tanking teams. Teams' upside isn't dependent on young guys improving. It's dependent on the team as a whole performing better. Young guys getting better is certainly part of that process, but team cohesion, scheme and overall roster talent play a much bigger role. Again, your need to venerate a guy who's really low on the totem pole and remove any sort of challenge to him to try to hide the fact that he's a poor man's Jamal Crawford is the issue. Murray himself IS THE PROBLEM, not literally everything else. It's not that he's a bad player, it's that he and you have this unrealistic idea of how good he is and won't let him adapt his game to his real status.


I'm only willing to give up Dejounte for somebody I am 100% sure is and will be better than him.

That's dumb. There aren't two ways about it. You can't be sure that anyone would be better. You don't build your team based on a flat notion like that. There was zero guarantee that Leonard would be better than Hill, that Gay would be better than Battier. That the guy drafted with the LAL pick in 2018 (Mikal Bridges) would be better than MCW. That not how trades work. Instead you have to project based on position, skill-set and fit and come up with a reasonable value for the two sides of the trade. It's not hard at all to find guys whose skill-sets fit better than Murray's, whose four cheap rookie-scale deals provide better savings than Murray's overpriced contract, who put the roster closer to taking a step forward. What you don't do is hold onto a guy hoping he becomes a better player as he ages and remove anyone who could possibly stop him be being better.

[poopbox]

First of all, there is. The Spurs totally have paths to try to improve around the guys they already have. That won't get them to be a firm contender or anything, but they can certainly fight for HCA in the first round if they're willing to go for it.



Nah, I think Murray is easily the worst of White, Walker, Jonhson, Murray and that there are plenty of guards I'd want over him. That doesn't make Murray horrible, but the fact that he's signed to a four-year deal isn't remotely comforting for me.



All of those players have been paths to helping NBA offense than Murray does. Of course Forbes is a net-negative. But thinking LMA, DMDR or even Gay should worry about their fit with a relative scrub is absurd. Aldridge is a borderline HoFer. Murray's done nothing. It's insane that you think the goal should be to build around the worst player in the lineup because he's not able to play with anyone better than him.

And :rollin at thinking the bubble team was "built around" Murray when he was the worst player of the starting five. They'd've seriously made the play-in game had they benched him for Johnson.



Basically no one does this except tanking teams. Teams' upside isn't dependent on young guys improving. It's dependent on the team as a whole performing better. Young guys getting better is certainly part of that process, but team cohesion, scheme and overall roster talent play a much bigger role. Again, your need to venerate a guy who's really low on the totem pole and remove any sort of challenge to him to try to hide the fact that he's a poor man's Jamal Crawford is the issue. Murray himself IS THE PROBLEM, not literally everything else. It's not that he's a bad player, it's that he and you have this unrealistic idea of how good he is and won't let him adapt his game to his real status.



That's dumb. There aren't two ways about it. You can't be sure that anyone would be better. You don't build your team based on a flat notion like that. There was zero guarantee that Leonard would be better than Hill, that Gay would be better than Battier. That the guy drafted with the LAL pick in 2018 (Mikal Bridges) would be better than MCW. That not how trades work. Instead you have to project based on position, skill-set and fit and come up with a reasonable value for the two sides of the trade. It's not hard at all to find guys whose skill-sets fit better than Murray's, whose four cheap rookie-scale deals provide better savings than Murray's overpriced contract, who put the roster closer to taking a step forward. What you don't do is hold onto a guy hoping he becomes a better player as he ages and remove anyone who could possibly stop him be being better.

These are some of the worst basketball takes I have ever seen posted on the internet.

Like, if I asked Donald Trump about the spurs, this is the type of stuff I would expect him to type.

Never once said the bubble team was built around Murray. It wasn't built around anymore. You just straight made that up out of thin air to argue a point that doesn't even exist.

Teams upside isn't dependent on young guys improving? This is the literal dumbest thing I have ever heard. Do we ring in 2014 if Kawhi never improved ? Are the Bucks contenders if Giannis never improves ? Do the Pelicans get a haul of young players and picks if Anthony Davis improves ? Is Portland a playoff team if Dame never improves?

Your argument about Murray doesn't make any sense because he is the one with the 4 year contract, not all the other players, by virtue of them having one more year left on their deals and Dejounte having 4. It's not incumbent upon Dejounte to try and figure out how to play with DDR, because Dejounte has a 4 year contract to play here, it's incumbent upon DDR to figure out how to play with Dejounte, because the Spurs have had an entire season to work out a deal to keep him here, and they haven't done it yet, and I don't think they are going to do it.

Just awful basketball and commen sense takes in your post. This is the type of stuff that might get Trump elected for a second term...

[Chinook]

These are some of the worst basketball takes I have ever seen posted on the internet.

Like, if I asked Donald Trump about the spurs, this is the type of stuff I would expect him to type.

Cut out the hyperbole bro.


Never once said the bubble team was built around Murray. It wasn't built around anymore. You just straight made that up out of thin air to argue a point that doesn't even exist.


the answer is to get rid of those guys and build an actual modern nba team around Dejounte...which the spurs were NOT until they played in the bubble


Teams upside isn't dependent on young guys improving? This is the literal dumbest thing I have ever heard. Do we ring in 2014 if Kawhi never improved ? Are the Bucks contenders if Giannis never improves ? Do the Pelicans get a haul of young players and picks if Anthony Davis improves ? Is Portland a playoff team if Dame never improves?

You're basically not even reading what I write at this point. I answered exactly what I meant by that sentence and how young players improve fits. This tactic you're trying to use of not understanding arguments you disagreement isn't helping you nearly as much as you think.


Your argument about Murray doesn't make any sense because he is the one with the 4 year contract, not all the other players, by virtue of them having one more year left on their deals and Dejounte having 4. It's not incumbent upon Dejounte to try and figure out how to play with DDR, because Dejounte has a 4 year contract to play here, it's incumbent upon DDR to figure out how to play with Dejounte, because the Spurs have had an entire season to work out a deal to keep him here, and they haven't done it yet, and I don't think they are going to do it.

I think you're missing the point. It's not that Murray specifically needs to play well with DMDR and LMA. It's that he needs to learn that he's not good enough for people to learn to play with. He is the one who has to adjust, not better players. Hopefully, the Spurs get better players to replace LMA/DMDR/Gay, but in that case, those new guys are going to be stars, not DJM. He's the one who's not good enough, not everyone else. The only way he's the best player on the team is if the team is horrible.

And no, I don't think DeRozan is worried about having to learn to play with Murray in order to stay in SA. First, because I think he likes DJM just fine and isn't trying to NOT play with him. Second, I think he'd be just fine going to another team. He doesn't need the Spurs.

I actually don't disagree that the Spurs gave Murray that money because they like him and want him to be part of the team. I just don't think that matters.


Just awful basketball and commen sense takes in your post. This is the type of stuff that might get Trump elected for a second term

Again, just dumb hyperbole.

[Dverde]

Dots. He is a Spur for life.

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1322588852645711872

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1339329400437841920?s=19

The man, the myth, the legend will have his own interview posted soon.

[BillMc]

We got like what, 4 to 5 days to sign him to an extension?

[BackHome]

I really like White but again another season where he is missing time from foot injuries not trying to jump off a cliff but they are concerning

[Sugus]

We got like what, 4 to 5 days to sign him to an extension?

I don't think the Spurs re-sign him, tbh, and it'll cost them. Now is the time to take advantage of his recurring injuries to sign him at a discount. Once he's balled out this season and the cat's out of the bag, other teams' offers will probably force the Spurs into overpaying him. I'm not in the least concerned about his future productivity, in regards to this latest toe injury of his - but another bout of plantar fasciitis might've changed my tune. Overall, gotta hope Wright is up to something, tbh.

[phxspurfan]

I really like White but again another season where he is missing time from foot injuries not trying to jump off a cliff but they are concerning

His window to become a starting caliber PG is closing fast, that's for sure. That's his potential as he has shown multiple times, but for now it's Murray's job pretty solidly in Pop's mind.

[look_at_g_shred]

He's not hurt. he's holding out for an extension. Probably not but would you be shocked?

[Degoat]

Didn’t the spurs have kawhi wait to sign his rookie extension so we could sign LMA?? Maybe the spurs are eying someone in next seasons free agency

[Chinook]

Didn’t the spurs have kawhi wait to sign his rookie extension so we could sign LMA?? Maybe the spurs are eying someone in next seasons free agency

They definitely are, and that could be why re-upping White isn't a priority yet. The downside is that he could get a huge contract, especially with most of the bigger names out of the running. I also think they feel bitten by Murray and could want to wait to see even if it means paying more. I could see them only looking at RFA's like Collins at this point, and if that's the case, the lost cap space might not even be a big deal.

[exstatic]

Didn’t the spurs have kawhi wait to sign his rookie extension so we could sign LMA?? Maybe the spurs are eying someone in next seasons free agency

The difference was that Kawhi was a max player. No one was going to outbid us.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1339718669371371526?s=19

Derrick White is here to stay, boys

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1339720353736777729?s=19

[PhantomDashCam]

Derrick White is here to stay, boys

Hope you’re right Dejounte. After watching the Pop video in the game thread you posted, I’m not so sure.
He mentioned about him being hurt multiple times etc
Pure perception on my part but it sounded to me like White’s agency thinking he may be in line for a raise the Spurs are unwilling (at this point) to give.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Positive sound bites from Pop re White's extension.

Really like White and hope he stays but it seems every pre-season/camp he gets injured, misses time, then takes 15 games to get his rhythm back. I wish he was more reliable and durable.

[Atl Spur]

Derrick is here to stay.....book it! Calm your tits boys!

[Dejounte]

Derrick is here to stay.....book it! Calm your tits boys!

I'm calming my tits. My tits are calm. Thank you.

[Atl Spur]

I'm calming my tits. My tits are calm. Thank you.

Cool.....lol

[paperboy77]

These are some of the worst basketball takes I have ever seen posted on the internet.

Like, if I asked Donald Trump about the spurs, this is the type of stuff I would expect him to type.

Never once said the bubble team was built around Murray. It wasn't built around anymore. You just straight made that up out of thin air to argue a point that doesn't even exist.

Teams upside isn't dependent on young guys improving? This is the literal dumbest thing I have ever heard. Do we ring in 2014 if Kawhi never improved ? Are the Bucks contenders if Giannis never improves ? Do the Pelicans get a haul of young players and picks if Anthony Davis improves ? Is Portland a playoff team if Dame never improves?

Your argument about Murray doesn't make any sense because he is the one with the 4 year contract, not all the other players, by virtue of them having one more year left on their deals and Dejounte having 4. It's not incumbent upon Dejounte to try and figure out how to play with DDR, because Dejounte has a 4 year contract to play here, it's incumbent upon DDR to figure out how to play with Dejounte, because the Spurs have had an entire season to work out a deal to keep him here, and they haven't done it yet, and I don't think they are going to do it.

Just awful basketball and commen sense takes in your post. This is the type of stuff that might get Trump elected for a second term...

Gotta say i agree with you more than the other guy. (Don't mess with my Trump tho!)

DM is really under appreciated in this board for some reason. He's not the issue. In fact this guy becomes very valuable for his "dog" approach to defense in the PO.

[phxspurfan]

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Gearing up for another season

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