Derozan on the trading block??

[DAF86]

Surprised no one brought up Brogdan yet since he's the most obvious counter-counter example.

We don't need to bring any counter-counter example to apply common sense son. You are the only one here thinking (actually, not thinking, just saying for the sake of pimping an argument) Murray will get 100 millions for 4 years next offseason. :lol

[acoelho1]

Murray's numbers will be at least: 17pts, 7reb, 3 assists & 2 steals. He will be the most improved player next year or at least in contention for it. His shooting will be much improved at the 3 and mid-range. He will also be able to finish at the rim better due to his added strength. Our team defense will be elite with him back on the floor.

[duncan2k5]

u right, but numbers will be much lower. i expect sth around 8ppg/4rpg/3apg. Guys who think murray will be back and put such a numbers like he deserve 100/4 are funny

If starting, he will score at least 10ppg

[duncan2k5]

Ppl who think murray will average at least 7 rebounds for a season as a PG are being a bit ridiculous... Don't get me wrong... He is my favorite player, and I would LOVE for that to be the case... But 7-8 rebounds as a PG is some incredibly historically elite numbers at that position, and he isn't even in his prime yet... The most he will average this season is 6...and even that is a success in my book... U guys are placing unreasonable expectations on the kid...

[SpursDynasty85]

We don't need to bring any counter-counter example to apply common sense son. You are the only one here thinking (actually, not thinking, just saying for the sake of pimping an argument) Murray will get 100 millions for 4 years next offseason. :lol

Do you recall when Otto Porter got his max contract? It's entirely possible. Next offseason will be a very player friendly year apparently. All the rumors have stated Sours expect him to be a star one day. If that's true, max contracts after rookie years have been pretty common. I give it a 40% shot he may get that offer. Will help to see him play a few more games though.

[Gordy58]

Ppl who think murray will average at least 7 rebounds for a season as a PG are being a bit ridiculous... Don't get me wrong... He is my favorite player, and I would LOVE for that to be the case... But 7-8 rebounds as a PG is some incredibly historically elite numbers at that position, and he isn't even in his prime yet... The most he will average this season is 6...and even that is a success in my book... U guys are placing unreasonable expectations on the kid...
I mean his per 36 rebounds per game was about 9, might be a little inflated but he’s still a great rebounder for a guard

[acoelho1]

Ppl who think murray will average at least 7 rebounds for a season as a PG are being a bit ridiculous...

He’s already an elite rebounder in his 2nd season so you must not have been paying attention.

[DAF86]

Do you recall when Otto Porter got his max contract? It's entirely possible. Next offseason will be a very player friendly year apparently. All the rumors have stated Sours expect him to be a star one day. If that's true, max contracts after rookie years have been pretty common. I give it a 40% shot he may get that offer. Will help to see him play a few more games though.

Another beneficiary of the summers of inflations. Wizards handed a handfull of awful contracts around that time, tbh.

Yeah, the Otto Porter example is the best case you can find to defend Chinook's position. Still, that ended up being the exception, not the norm, and Otto Porter was a much more sure thing by the time he got that contract, than what Murray is right now.

You say 40%, I say 2% chance of Murray getting a miraculous, never seen before from a guy coming off an ACL injury, bounce-back season and he gets that type of contract, tbh.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Murray numbers next season...

13.7ppg, 5.7rpg, 4.4apg

Yeah, that's what Biff's book said.

[exstatic]

I mean his per 36 rebounds per game was about 9, might be a little inflated but he’s still a great rebounder for a guard

He reminds me a little bit of Rodman, just that sense of where the ball is going to come off the glass or rim. He certainly isn't boxing people out at 170 lbs.

[duncan2k5]

I mean his per 36 rebounds per game was about 9, might be a little inflated but he’s still a great rebounder for a guard

There were a lot of great rebounder at PG, but they hardly ever averaged 7 or 8 rebounds a game

[duncan2k5]

He’s already an elite rebounder in his 2nd season so you must not have been paying attention.

Not historically elite... How do u not understand what I wrote? So ur saying he will average at least 7 rebounds this year? Because unless ur saying that, ur agreeing with me and arguing needlessly

[acoelho1]

He averaged almost 6 boards playing only 21mins a night so yes he will average at least 7 boards easy next season.

[KobesAchilles]

I see Murray getting a deal more like 4 year 80 million. Unless he has an amazing comeback year, which he might since he spent all season in the film room and the gym practicing his jumper. This could’ve been a blessing in disguise for him bc he really needed to learn the point guard position and seeing things from the eyes of the coaching staff can only help with that. 13 ppg. 3 assists and 6.5 rebounds next year with supreme defense. Also 35% from downtown.

Btw I’m hoping we sign Derrick White to a 4 year 80 million dollar deal as well. I don’t know how realistic it is for us to get both of them for 20 million a year but I hope that’s the case. I’m expecting BIG things from White this season. Just the added confidence alone from Pop has to mean something to the kid. 15-17 points a game and 5 assists with solid defense and 40% 3 point shooting is his ceiling I believe he will hit.

[duncan2k5]

He averaged almost 6 boards playing only 21mins a night so yes he will average at least 7 boards easy next season.

You do understand that stats don't directly correlate with minutes, right? He won't average more than seven a game next year... I hope I'm wrong... But it's highly unlikely that he hits that mark in his third year... If we go by everyone's per 36 numbers, there would be tons of elite bench players and specialists that should be getting more minutes in the NBA... But that's not how it works in reality... U know what? F*ck it... Let me jump on the optimism train... Murray will average 8rbs a game this season! He is my favorite player by a mile, so I'm rooting for this to happen

[acoelho1]

You do understand that your knowledge of basketball is very minimal. It’s not just the extra minutes but his strength and I.Q will be better. He was already an elite rebounder.

[stu scotts eye]

He’s already an elite rebounder in his 2nd season so you must not have been paying attention.

Exactly

[duncan2k5]

You do understand that your knowledge of basketball is very minimal. It’s not just the extra minutes but his strength and I.Q will be better. He was already an elite rebounder.

If he averages less than 7 rebounds a game, will u admit that I know more about basketball than you do? (especially since everything I've ever said would happen on this message board ended up happening)

[duncan2k5]

You do understand that your knowledge of basketball is very minimal. It’s not just the extra minutes but his strength and I.Q will be better. He was already an elite rebounder.

If he averages less than 7 rebounds a game, will u admit that I know more about basketball than you do? (especially since everything I've ever said would happen on this message board ended up happening)

[spurraider21]

warriors gave draymond 5/82 right after they won their first championship and he played a huge role on that team. so what if he hadn't won DPOY yet, he was the fucking runner up that year against Kawhi :lol... he was WAY more than "just some young guy who showed some potential."

[r0drig0lac]

I see Murray getting a deal more like 4 year 80 million.

agree

[BatManu20]

Jabari said he’s not hearing any DeMar trade chatter either.

1151142376368431104

[Prime BEEF]

Yeah, that's what Biff's book said.

Who’s Biff?

[FkLA]

Murray's numbers will be at least: 17pts, 7reb, 3 assists & 2 steals. He will be the most improved player next year or at least in contention for it. His shooting will be much improved at the 3 and mid-range. He will also be able to finish at the rim better due to his added strength. Our team defense will be elite with him back on the floor.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a6adc8bc2c1e331c2421848e55a46cb8/tenor.gif?itemid=8625420

[tonight...you]

Who’s Biff?
The jerk on Back To The Future.
duh...

[r0drig0lac]

Who’s Biff?

tsc tsc tsc

[DAF86]

warriors gave draymond 5/82 right after they won their first championship and he played a huge role on that team. so what if he hadn't won DPOY yet, he was the fucking runner up that year against Kawhi :lol... he was WAY more than "just some young guy who showed some potential."
Chinook knows that. He just won't admit it. :lol

[DAF86]

Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit?

[acoelho1]

If he averages less than 7 rebounds a game, will u admit that I know more about basketball than you do? (especially since everything I've ever said would happen on this message board ended up happening)

Dude.. are you 5 years old. Don't know why I waste my time talking to you.

[exstatic]

Who’s Biff?

The bad guy from the Back to the Future movies. He sent a magazine back from the future to his 1955 self so that he could bet on known sporting outcomes.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Murray averaged 14/9/5 per-36. I get not believing in him and all that. Maybe he doesn't come back. But if he puts up the numbers listed, he'll get $100 Million. That's just how the market works. Thinking he isn't good enough is one thing, but not understanding how good you have to be to get $100 Million is another.


Tell me another story, Mommy.

Murray played about 21 minutes per game, and scored 654 total points in 81 games played. And the 4/$100M you're talking about is exactly what Giannis got, and only slightly less than what Jokic got (first 4 years of his 5 year contract). Sorry, but Murray's season did not put him in that category. And if he has the EXACT same season, he won't be in that category. Not in terms of impact, and not in terms of salary.

Murray's exact Per36 numbers were: 13.5 PTS, 9.5 RB, and 4.8 AST.
Another Spur player that year had: 12.4 PTS, 13.9 RB, and 5.5 AST.
That player was Pau Gasol. He also shot .500 from 3P, while Murray shot .265.
Do you think the Spurs should have given Pau 4/$100?

Per36 stats mean less and less, the fewer minutes the player gets. And Murray's 21.5 MPG is just barely enough to even think about considering his Per36 stats. Not enough, though, to compare to the top tier guys making those kind of salaries.

The other players with Per36 stats in that range? Giannis, Ben Simmons, LeBron, Westbrook, Jokic, Doncic. Nobody believes that Murray has already earned his way into that class. NObody. I don't care what his Per36 numbers look like, he's not getting $4/100 based on an identical season to '17-'18. If he plays 2,200+ minutes, and keeps that level of production? Maybe. But not just by putting up the same numbers he did before he was injured.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Here:

DeMarcus Cousins put up 25, 13, and 5 in '17-18, and played 36 minutes per game. His EFG% was .530, compared to .465 for Murray. He shot 3's better than Murray, and he got to the FT line 8 times Per36, compared to 3 times Per36 for Murray. Those stats blow Murray's away, totally.

The next season Cousins got paid $5.3M. Gee, I don't know... ya think there may be a little more to consider than short-minutes Per 36 numbers, before you go giving a guy $4/100?

[SpursDynasty85]

Another beneficiary of the summers of inflations. Wizards handed a handfull of awful contracts around that time, tbh.

Yeah, the Otto Porter example is the best case you can find to defend Chinook's position. Still, that ended up being the exception, not the norm, and Otto Porter was a much more sure thing by the time he got that contract, than what Murray is right now.

You say 40%, I say 2% chance of Murray getting a miraculous, never seen before from a guy coming off an ACL injury, bounce-back season and he gets that type of contract, tbh.

His biggest challenge will be playing time for sure but I think PATFO does him solid and give him tons of minutes this year. Moreso than White. Apparently this offseason will be similar to the one Porter signed big money. I think the first max contract is more attainable than prior years plus I think he's young enough for another team to splurge on him. Will Spurs lock him up at max is questionable since we have a pretty loaded backcourt.

[Prime BEEF]

The jerk on Back To The Future.
duh...

Well shit he got me. Just for that I’ll have to put back to the future on. Hmmm 1, 2 or 3? All good options

[tonight...you]

Well shit he got me. Just for that I’ll have to put back to the future on. Hmmm 1, 2 or 3? All good options
Word homie.
I'm more of a shitty movie junkie so wifey and I are about to watch Birdemic.
My poor girl... She knows not what she's about to witness.
At least it's Riffed...

[Prime BEEF]

Word homie.
I'm more of a shitty movie junkie so wifey and I are about to watch Birdemic.
My poor girl... She knows not what she's about to witness.
At least it's Riffed...

hahaha. birdemic that's awesome. Listed as an american independent romantic horror film. Tippi Hedren even makes a cameo. Met her once about 15yrs ago.

[tonight...you]

hahaha. birdemic that's awesome. Listed as an american independent romantic horror film. Tippi Hedren even makes a cameo. Met her once about 15yrs ago.
You met Tippi Hedren?!
That is very cool.

I work in the Business and I have never had a chance to meet Ms. Hedren.
What a treat.

[Joseph Kony]

Here:

DeMarcus Cousins put up 25, 13, and 5 in '17-18, and played 36 minutes per game. His EFG% was .530, compared to .465 for Murray. He shot 3's better than Murray, and he got to the FT line 8 times Per36, compared to 3 times Per36 for Murray. Those stats blow Murray's away, totally.

The next season Cousins got paid $5.3M. Gee, I don't know... ya think there may be a little more to consider than short-minutes Per 36 numbers, before you go giving a guy $4/100?

i get the point you're making and i dont think murray is getting anywhere close to 100M over 4 years, but Cousins was offered 40M/2yrs by NOP and he declined. Him coming off the achilles tear is the biggest reason he didnt get paid shit the next year. and the fact that he reinjured himself last season along with not looking that great is why no one wanted him again. plus his shit attitude on top of all that. using him is not a good example imo

[Chinook]

Tell me another story, Mommy.

Murray played about 21 minutes per game, and scored 654 total points in 81 games played. And the 4/$100M you're talking about is exactly what Giannis got, and only slightly less than what Jokic got (first 4 years of his 5 year contract). Sorry, but Murray's season did not put him in that category. And if he has the EXACT same season, he won't be in that category. Not in terms of impact, and not in terms of salary.

This is fallacious. Giannis' deal would be a $126M/4 today (meaning starting next year). Jokic's deal would be $131M/4. There's no point in comparing between years when the cap has been spiking like this. Next year, the cap is supposed to be $118 Million. Murray on a $100M/4 would have a starting salary of 19 percent of the cap. That's less than Gasol's last deal.

Regardless, it simply doesn't work to compare max deals to non-max deals. Those max deals are often artificially held down, to the point that a lot of guys of different tiers gets them. Remember Otto Porter got a max deal despite averaging 13.4/5.7/2.9 in fourth season. Allen Crabbe got the equivalent of $99.8M/4 despite averaging 9.6/3.4/1.1. Barnes 11.7/4.9/1.8. The list goes on.


Do you think the Spurs should have given Pau 4/$100?

Pau was old. He certainly made big money when he was younger. Also, his contracts with SA were comparable to what Murray would be getting.


The other players with Per36 stats in that range? Giannis, Ben Simmons, LeBron, Westbrook, Jokic, Doncic. Nobody believes that Murray has already earned his way into that class. NObody. I don't care what his Per36 numbers look like, he's not getting $4/100 based on an identical season to '17-'18. If he plays 2,200+ minutes, and keeps that level of production? Maybe. But not just by putting up the same numbers he did before he was injured.

The point isn't that Murray is a star. It's that the numbers people have been posting to make it seem like Murray wouldn't get paid $100M are actually really good. Any young guy who did that got paid, and many who did less got paid as well.

[Prime BEEF]

You met Tippi Hedren?!
That is very cool.

I work in the Business and I have never had a chance to meet Ms. Hedren.
What a treat.

She owns a big cat preserve/sanctuary in CA. I visited it one time when I was stationed on the west coast

[MoSpur02]

According to the same guy who stated that DeRozan was being shopped, the Pistons were shopping Griffin. He also stated that the Pistons were one of the teams the Spurs talked to about DeRozan.

[Genovaswitness]

According to the same guy who stated that DeRozan was being shopped, the Pistons were shopping Griffin. He also stated that the Pistons were one of the teams the Spurs talked to about DeRozan.

are we getting rid of this pussy or what

[Realdeal1]

I’d be okay with a derozan for griffin swap

[GusT15]

I’d be okay with a derozan for griffin swap

I'd be perfectly fine with that trade as well if Blake didn't have a contract for 37Mil$ in 2021 and 39Mil$ in 2022.

[Realdeal1]

I'd be perfectly fine with that trade as well if Blake didn't have a contract for 37Mil$ in 2021 and 39Mil$ in 2022.

yuck .. never mind

[YoungbuckMurray]

I'd be perfectly fine with that trade as well if Blake didn't have a contract for 37Mil$ in 2021 and 39Mil$ in 2022.

Id still do it Blake is a stud. We could play big with him and LMA and dominate teams. Blake is also good in transition and can space the floor.

Demar +mills for Griffin

[vy65]

I'd be perfectly fine with that trade as well if Blake didn't have a contract for 37Mil$ in 2021 and 39Mil$ in 2022.

FA ain’t coming to SA. I’d do it.

[Dancelot]

Yeah, that's what Biff's book said.
Biffs sports almanac was only 1950 thru 2000 though.

[r0drig0lac]

FA ain’t coming to SA. I’d do it.

exact

[Mugen]

I'd probably do Derozan for Blake tbh even with Griffin's extra year.

Derozan + Beli for Blake (Doubt the pistons budge with Sekou).

Dejounte/Fatty
White/Walker/Bryn
Gay/Carroll
Griffin/Lyles
LMA/Poetl

They would really need a playable SF though (Gay is a 4 at this point). But to be fair, they need already need a true SF even with the current roster...

[Mugen]

You could even play the the 3 young guards with a Blake/LMA frontcourt. It'd be nice tbh, not a lot of teams in the West could match up with that.

[Prime BEEF]

FA ain’t coming to SA. I’d do it.

Yeah, just letting DeRozan walk and trying to entice a FA to sign with SA with the cap space won't end well. Spurs would have to overpay someone to get them to SA.

I'd be good with a mills+derozan for griffin deal. Only worry is injuries but he played 75 games last year. Maybe his injuries are behind him.

[Leetonidas]

I'd probably do Derozan for Blake tbh even with Griffin's extra year.

Derozan + Beli for Blake (Doubt the pistons budge with Sekou).

Dejounte/Fatty
White/Walker/Bryn
Gay/Carroll
Griffin/Lyles
LMA/Poetl

They would really need a playable SF though (Gay is a 4 at this point). But to be fair, they need already need a true SF even with the current roster...

They're not trading Griffin. If they're trading for Derozan it's to play with Griffin/Drummond not to replace him with a lesser talent. His contract isn't great but he's still a very good player and Detroit needs someone to sell tickets

[Keepin' it real]

Awesome, so we've traded DDR, Bellinelli, Metu ... who else???!!!

[tmtcsc]

I see Murray getting a deal more like 4 year 80 million.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6434901b21f48c981029cba8de268f84/tenor.gif?itemid=8808098

[Mugen]

They're not trading Griffin. If they're trading for Derozan it's to play with Griffin/Drummond not to replace him with a lesser talent. His contract isn't great but he's still a very good player and Detroit needs someone to sell tickets

Yeah, Detroit was really bringing in the masses as they finished 24th in attendance last year tbh.

I don't love Griffin but he's undeniably a better fit on the roster than Derozan is. He's a good fit alongside LA plus the young guards. He's a much better and more willing 3pt shooter and can play off the PnR unlike Demar.

Sure, he can't defend the wings in the West but neither can Derozan and Blake is a tougher cover for the Nephews, Paul Georges, etc....

You can argue on why the Pistons would do that trade but maybe with Casey there and Derozan potentially only on the books for one more season, there's a case to be made they pull the trigger...

[gambit1990]

not a big blake fan but would easily trade ddr for him.

la would get jealous though tbh... this roster with blake instead of demar would yield one all star... la would would be jealous of blake making it over him.

[gambit1990]

it's really who shouldn't the spurs trade for demar TBH.

[gambit1990]

if nothing else:
https://i.imgur.com/Sh6z4SD.png
https://imgur.com/Sh6z4SD
https://imgur.com/Sh6z4SD

alexander's is value is way higher than gallo's. yeah, cp3 would be overpaid but put cp3 + alexander's salary together and then divide by two. he's listed as a PG but is 6'6" and can be a point forward.

cp3 / white
murray / walker
alexander / carroll

alexander will be an all star before any spurs guard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCJA32os0A

i watched around half of the warriors-clips series, the dude is solid.

i'll throw in a draft pick.

[John B]

if nothing else:
https://i.imgur.com/Sh6z4SD.png


alexander's is value is way higher than gallo's. yeah, cp3 would be overpaid but put cp3 + alexander's salary together and then divide by two. he's listed as a PG but is 6'6" and can be a point forward.

cp3 / white
murray / walker
alexander / carroll

alexander will be an all star before any spurs guard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCJA32os0A

i watched around half of the warriors-clips series, the dude is solid.

i'll throw in a draft pick.
Don’t Spurs already have 3 guards at 6’6”ish? Then we add Alexander and CP3 to run circles around LeBron? Hmm :wtf

[gambit1990]

Don’t Spurs already have 3 guards at 6’6”ish? Then we add Alexander and CP3 to run circles around LeBron? Hmm :wtf
cp3 & alexander for $40 million > demar & patty for $40 million

[sasaint]

cp3 & alexander for $40 million > demar & patty for $40 million

OKC is also aware of that.

[gambit1990]

OKC is also aware of that.
:lol likely. but okc could buy patty out (and bell if they really wanted) to save more money / ultimately turn westbrook into the rockets’ picks + demar (who might opt out a year early) + a spurs’ pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

FA ain’t coming to SA. I’d do it.

I don't know, superstars don't but I could see the Spurs having a chance to land Jaylen Brown in 2020. He doesn't seem too happy in Boston. Celtics would most likely match the offer, but depending on how much it is I think Spurs might have a chance to land him

[spurspl]

griffin is the same caliber player as derozan but hes more injury prone and way more expensive so imo derozan>griffin
u guys didnt want to have westbrook but cp3 is ok? taking cp3 with this shitty contract would be the worst move in a history of spurs organization. Yeah alexander is a great young player but do we need another guard? i dont think so.

[duncan2k5]

Dude.. are you 5 years old. Don't know why I waste my time talking to you.

It's always funny to me how u guys can insult, but never put anything on the line... If u so firmly believe you know Murray will grab at least seven rebounds a game over the course of the season, put something on the line or STFU

[duncan2k5]

Griffin a much better fit than DDR and raises our ceiling higher because the spacing would be much better, and Blake is harder to guard for opponents than DDR

[Prime BEEF]

Griffin a much better fit than DDR and raises our ceiling higher because the spacing would be much better, and Blake is harder to guard for opponents than DDR

Yup

[duncan2k5]

A starting lineup of Murray, White (or Carroll), Gay (or Carroll), Griffin and (sigh) LMA would be formidable (IF LMA doesn't start pouting when Blake starts beasting)

[spurspl]

Griffin a much better fit than DDR and raises our ceiling higher because the spacing would be much better, and Blake is harder to guard for opponents than DDR

maybe but hes not worth that money imho

[MaNu4Tres]

If Pistons are trading Blake, they are rebuilding.

They would only want DeMar if they keep Blake and Drummond.

[John B]

Bottom line, Murray/White/Carroll/Blake/Aldridge can compete with anyone. I can’t say the same with Derozan in the lineup.

[mo7888]

If Pistons are trading Blake, they are rebuilding.

They would only want DeMar if they keep Blake and Drummond.

I think they'd move Drummond and keep Griffin and DDR.

[GusT15]

Bottom line, Murray/White/Carroll/Blake/Aldridge can compete with anyone. I can’t say the same with Derozan in the lineup.

In the summers of 2020 and 2021 we will have to re-sign Murray and White and possibly Poeltl and maybe Forbes.

How much flexibility will we have to do those things+fill out the roster with other role players+go after a starting SF with an almost 40mil$ contract in the books till 2022.

That's my concern actually.I know we can't get Giannis for example in 2021 Free Agency,but how much of a burden will that contract be when dealing with the other needed pieces to sign.

And of course,Griffin is a better fit than DeRozan with our current guard talent and rotation,that's a given.

[spurspl]

In the summers of 2020 and 2021 we will have to re-sign Murray and White and possibly Poeltl and maybe Forbes.

How much flexibility will we have to do those things+fill out the roster with other role players+go after a starting SF with an almost 40mil$ contract in the books till 2022.

That's my concern actually.I know we can't get Giannis for example in 2021 Free Agency,but how much of a burden will that contract be when dealing with the other needed pieces to sign.

And of course,Griffin is a better fit than DeRozan with our current guard talent and rotation,that's a given.

thats what i was talking about, hes too expensive

[Realdeal1]

For those saying Detroit would only want to pair up derozan with griffin missed the memo that griffin is on the trading block lol

[John B]

In the summers of 2020 and 2021 we will have to re-sign Murray and White and possibly Poeltl and maybe Forbes.

How much flexibility will we have to do those things+fill out the roster with other role players+go after a starting SF with an almost 40mil$ contract in the books till 2022.

That's my concern actually.I know we can't get Giannis for example in 2021 Free Agency,but how much of a burden will that contract be when dealing with the other needed pieces to sign.

And of course,Griffin is a better fit than DeRozan with our current guard talent and rotation,that's a given.
I don’t really see any of our young guys commanding max contract in the near future. Do you see 3 of our players commanding max contracts in the next 2-3 years? I don’t think so.

[GusT15]

I don’t really see any of our young guys commanding max contract in the near future. Do you see 3 of our players commanding max contracts in the next 2-3 years? I don’t think so.

I honestly don't know.If we try to predict the numbers what will we come up with?

I'll give it an uneducated,simple first try for the 2021-22 season.DJ-20per,White-13 per,Poeltl-7 per,Forbes-7 per.Then we have Carroll 1.5 guaranteed.Lonnie 4,5,Luka 3,Keldon 2.Then Blake at 39mil$.

That's 97 mil$ and 8 players.What should we say the cap will be at? 110mil$? 115? So,then we have somewhere from 13 to 18mil$ to fill out the roster and get a good Free Agent.
That's not enough and it's that Blake contract that causes that problem-that's all i'm saying.

Again,i have no idea about those numbers and just wanted to get a rough estimate.I hope nobody comes with pitchforks against me :lol

[John B]

I honestly don't know.If we try to predict the numbers what will we come up with?

I'll give it an uneducated,simple first try for the 2021-22 season.DJ-20per,White-13 per,Poeltl-7 per,Forbes-7 per.Then we have Carroll 1.5 guaranteed.Lonnie 4,5,Luka 3,Keldon 2.Then Blake at 39mil$.

That's 97 mil$ and 8 players.What should we say the cap will be at? 110mil$? 115? So,then we have somewhere from 13 to 18mil$ to fill out the roster and get a good Free Agent.
That's not enough and it's that Blake contract that causes that problem-that's all i'm saying.

Again,i have no idea about those numbers and just wanted to get a rough estimate.I hope nobody comes with pitchforks against me :lol
Blake’s salary fit with our young core, enough to contend now. I’d take that to the bank anytime.

[sasaint]

I honestly don't know.If we try to predict the numbers what will we come up with?

I'll give it an uneducated,simple first try for the 2021-22 season.DJ-20per,White-13 per,Poeltl-7 per,Forbes-7 per.Then we have Carroll 1.5 guaranteed.Lonnie 4,5,Luka 3,Keldon 2.Then Blake at 39mil$.

That's 97 mil$ and 8 players.What should we say the cap will be at? 110mil$? 115? So,then we have somewhere from 13 to 18mil$ to fill out the roster and get a good Free Agent.
That's not enough and it's that Blake contract that causes that problem-that's all i'm saying.

Again,i have no idea about those numbers and just wanted to get a rough estimate.I hope nobody comes with pitchforks against me :lol

Actually I think you may be slightly low-balling White and Poeltl.

[TheGoatishere]

We are not getting Blake for Derozan lol

[John B]

Actually I think you may be slightly low-balling White and Poeltl.
Still they are not max players anytime soon. And teams should be able to sign 3 max, especially with Spurs ability to surround with quality role players at cheap. My point is, if a All-Star > Derozan is available now, I would do my diligence to grab, especially since San Antonio is not really high on FA list.

[spurspl]

We are not getting Blake for Derozan lol

agree. I have a question for all of u who wants griffin. Whats the reason to get him? No significant progression to make a ring chase nor rebbuild/reload to make this run in near future

[John B]

agree. I have a question for all of u who wants griffin. Whats the reason to get him? No significant progression to make a ring chase nor rebbuild/reload to make this run in near future
White/Murray/Carroll/Blake/Aldridge can compete

[sasaint]

Still they are not max players anytime soon. And teams should be able to sign 3 max, especially with Spurs ability to surround with quality role players at cheap. My point is, if a All-Star > Derozan is available now, I would do my diligence to grab, especially since San Antonio is not really high on FA list.

As much as I want to move Dumbmar, Blake for Dumbmar is a hard call for me. Better fit, but huge contract for a guy who has had a serious injury. I wouldn’t dislike it. However, Blake’s deal would strain the payroll and really restrict moves.

[spurspl]

White/Murray/Carroll/Blake/Aldridge can compete
for western conference semi-finals

[szkorhetz]

Getting Blake for DDR is a pipe dream, but I would love it for sure.

[John B]

for western conference semi-finals
Better than 1st round with Demar. And who knows? Lebron/Davis staying healthy all year?? I would love for Pop to stick it on Kawhi. And Blake is a harder cover.

[Spurs4#5]

I think y’all are thinking about high flying Blake griffin like when he came in the league when talking about his injuries. Griffin if you look at his career games per season he’s only played less than 50 games twice. He average basically 24, 7, 5 while playing 35 minutes per game. He would be an absolute no brainer to trade demar for. The game he plays now will age very well especially in the spurs system.

[LCM]

If the Spurs trade DeMar, Aaron Gordon should be the target. His age and contract, it decreases the next two off season, are major reasons why. Plus, with the type of flexibility the Spurs could have next off season with the amount of expiring contracts and partial guarantee contracts, it isn't out of the realm of possibility you can sign your own restricted FA in Murray and Poetl while making a run at a Jalen Brown. And much of that can be done because of Gordon and his contract structure. Blake Griffin's contract isn't going to give you that, plus Gordon is 5-6 years younger than Blake with no Jenner miles on him.

[spurspl]

Better than 1st round with Demar. And who knows? Lebron/Davis staying healthy all year?? I would love for Pop to stick it on Kawhi. And Blake is a harder cover.
dont forget bout kawhi+ pg, russ+harden, gsw, denver, and dark horse utaz jazz.
thats a wrong thinking which i dont like in spurs. They do everything to be just in playoffs to
keep popovich strike alive by adding some two old „not so great as in the past” player alongside some young players from the bottom of draft. Thats not the way u can compete for finals.

[spurspl]

If the Spurs trade DeMar, Aaron Gordon should be the target. His age and contract, it decreases the next two off season, are major reasons why. Plus, with the type of flexibility the Spurs could have next off season with the amount of expiring contracts and partial guarantee contracts, it isn't out of the realm of possibility you can sign your own restricted FA in Murray and Poetl while making a run at a Jalen Brown. And much of that can be done because of Gordon and his contract structure. Blake Griffin's contract isn't going to give you that, plus Gordon is 5-6 years younger than Blake with no Jenner miles on him.
of course gordon >griffin, hes younger, more perspective and cheaper. But if we get him i think they also should trade LMA for another younger guy who can develop next to gordon. Especially when the rumors say lma can go to portland.

[John B]

dont forget bout kawhi+ pg, russ+harden, gsw, denver, and dark horse utaz jazz.
thats a wrong thinking which i dont like in spurs. They do everything to be just in playoffs to
keep popovich strike alive by adding some two old „not so great as in the past” player alongside some young players from the bottom of draft. Thats not the way u can compete for finals.
We had 3 old and a young mid-1st round who didn’t want to shoot for our 5th ring against banana boat

I’m not saying it’s enough coz there is no guarantee, but better than we have and staying pat.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Spurs trade DeMar, Aaron Gordon should be the target. His age and contract, it decreases the next two off season, are major reasons why. Plus, with the type of flexibility the Spurs could have next off season with the amount of expiring contracts and partial guarantee contracts, it isn't out of the realm of possibility you can sign your own restricted FA in Murray and Poetl while making a run at a Jalen Brown. And much of that can be done because of Gordon and his contract structure. Blake Griffin's contract isn't going to give you that, plus Gordon is 5-6 years younger than Blake with no Jenner miles on him.

this tbh. One advantage the Spurs have is that they don't have a player on a max deal. Even DeRozan and LA earn under 30 million per year which always gives you a possibility to make a move. I wouldn't touch any +30 million contracts of players in their 30s

[LCM]

of course gordon >griffin, hes younger, more perspective and cheaper. But if we get him i think they also should trade LMA for another younger guy who can develop next to gordon. Especially when the rumors say lma can go to portland.

I agree with getting Gordon a fellow running mate at Forward if you trade for him, but you are likely doing that next off season than this one. LMA could conceivably be traded at deadline, but he's only guaranteed 7mill next off season anyway.

[mo7888]

Do we really see Aldridge and Blake as a good fit? They would be a powerful force down low but could get exposed in space I'd think. Of course, pop always says we zig when the rest of the league zags... maybe this would be his counter to the modern NBA. Play 3 6'5" guys with two skilled power bigs....idk...

[LCM]

this tbh. One advantage the Spurs have is that they don't have a player on a max deal. Even DeRozan and LA earn under 30 million per year which always gives you a possibility to make a move. I wouldn't touch any +30 million contracts of players in their 30s

You're completely right about the max deal. Look at next off season if they did trade for Gordon as an example :

Gordon 18 mill
Mills 12 - expiring
Fournier 17 mill - expiring (to make Gordon trade work)
RG - 16 mill - expiring
LMA - 7 mill guaranteed (14 million saved)

Murray is your only RFA who would get in that money bracket next year, Poetl probably 10-12 mill. Everyone else is on a rookie deal, expiring or partial guarantee contract. There is no major financial resources tied to one specific player. Not having that max salary will give the Spurs major flexibility to sign their own guys while targeting specific players in FA or in a trade.

[exstatic]

I don’t really see any of our young guys commanding max contract in the near future. Do you see 3 of our players commanding max contracts in the next 2-3 years? I don’t think so.

You have to plan for the unforeseen. What happens if one, or even two of them break out, and you're stuck with 60 games a year Ginger making $40M?

[John B]

Do we really see Aldridge and Blake as a good fit? They would be a powerful force down low but could get exposed in space I'd think. Of course, pop always says we zig when the rest of the league zags... maybe this would be his counter to the modern NBA. Play 3 6'5" guys with two skilled power bigs....idk...
Both can shoot and run with the guards. And Blake is not afraid of taking that winning shot, and that’s the reason why I prefer Blake over Gordon despite the age. Gordon has not seen playoff situations yet. Spurs don’t have a closer, hopefully White would make that leap. But for sure Blake could.

[spurspl]

You're completely right about the max deal. Look at next off season if they did trade for Gordon as an example :

Gordon 18 mill
Mills 12 - expiring
Fournier 17 mill - expiring (to make Gordon trade work)
RG - 16 mill - expiring
LMA - 7 mill guaranteed (14 million saved)

Murray is your only RFA who would get in that money bracket next year, Poetl probably 10-12 mill. Everyone else is on a rookie deal, expiring or partial guarantee contract. There is no major financial resources tied to one specific player. Not having that max salary will give the Spurs major flexibility to sign their own guys while targeting specific players in FA or in a trade.

why fournier? (it’d his 17mil+ 20mil gordon vs 28 derozan which doesnt match or am
i wrong?) not better take young bamba or isaac?
but yeah, next offseason with this contracts seems to be very interesting. Please spurs make this happen and dont screw this up. But its a pity that next FAs arent so good as in this year.

[Chillen]

Pistons would want any deal for DeMar to include at least Murray for Griffin. They would likely let DeMar walk so it would be a salary dump for Pistons. Not getting Griffin without including Murray so it's not happening. Of course DeMar and Marco would be worth it for Griffin but not giving up Murray.

[dubross]

Pistons would want any deal for DeMar to include at least Murray for Griffin. They would likely let DeMar walk so it would be a salary dump for Pistons. Not getting Griffin without including Murray so it's not happening. Of course DeMar and Marco would be worth it for Griffin but not giving up Murray.

Why would we give up an asset if we are essentially helping them get out of a big salary?!? Granted we are both helping each other out but they will get enough with shedding salary quite sooner than later.

[Chillen]

Why would we give up an asset if we are essentially helping them get out of a big salary?!? Granted we are both helping each other out but they will get enough with shedding salary quite sooner than later.

Exactly, but the Piston would likely want Murray and Spurs hang the phone up on them. They are looking for youth for Griffin I read. Spurs should at least see if Pistons would want a DeMar for Blake swap without Murray included of course. I'd say it's unlikely.

[exstatic]

Exactly, but the Piston would likely want Murray and Spurs hang the phone up on them. They are looking for youth for Griffin I read. Spurs should at least see if Pistons would want a DeMar for Blake swap without Murray included of course. I'd say it's unlikely.

You get huge salary relief, or you get assets: not both.

[Leetonidas]

If Detroit is really serious about trading Blake I'd be all over a DD for Griffin swap. He's been so overrated most of his career and forgotten about now that he's in Detroit that he's actually pretty underrated. He's expanded his game out to the 3pt line and I think his high low ability with LA would kill teams because he is an elite passing big. This team has a shot at the title if they can Blake with only giving up DD imo.

That being said I have to imagine many teams would be willing to give more in a trade. I know Casey loves derozan but don't think that's enough to get it done

[BlackAndWhite]

The problem is Blake easily gets injured. Towards the end of last season his knee completely disintegrated. Unless he somehow stays healthy for the whole contract, that contract can become toxic

[Chinook]

Blake and LMA don't fit together in my mind. I'd be good with getting Blake in a deal that send LMA back to Portland or something (IF LMA wants to go). Griffin and DeRozan are better fits than LMA and DeRozan. I don't know how I'd feel about Blake starting at the five, so I'd still want the team to get a center or two to fill in that part of the rotation.

Murray, Walker, DeRozan, Griffin, and Poeltl may be a viable starting lineup. Forbes, White, Carroll and Gay a good bench tandem too, but unless the team also brings in Milutinov or wants Lyles to be the bench center, it feels a little thin in the front court.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I wouldn't touch any +30 million contracts of players in their 30s

This. Would someone chisel this into granite and give it to Pop and RC please?

[Mr. Body]

Why all this excitement over Griffin? The Pistons were perhaps the worst playoff team off all time last year, even with him playing. He barely budges the needle anymore in terms of improving a team and getting wins.

[Leetonidas]

Why all this excitement over Griffin? The Pistons were perhaps the worst playoff team off all time last year, even with him playing. He barely budges the needle anymore in terms of improving a team and getting wins.

The problem with Detroit is their guards are fucking terrible. The entire perimeter rotation is straight trash. The fact the made the playoffs at all is a testament to Griffins game because they might not even win 10 games without him. Griffin is a top 20 player in the league. You're really asking why people would be excited getting him? Werent you just lamenting the spurs letting Josh fucking maggette get signed by Orlando? :lol

[Chillen]

Someone posted on realgm that on Twitter they read the Pistons inquired about DeMar. Doesn't mean they will send Blake to SA. take it with a grain of salt, internet full of rumors all the time.

[GreekSpursfan]

Griffin is great but he can't stay healthy and things will probably get worse, hard pass.

[Degoat]

I’d take Blake over Demar all day but I just can’t envision the spurs trading Demar after 1 season

[Mr. Body]

The problem with Detroit is their guards are fucking terrible. The entire perimeter rotation is straight trash. The fact the made the playoffs at all is a testament to Griffins game because they might not even win 10 games without him. Griffin is a top 20 player in the league. You're really asking why people would be excited getting him? Werent you just lamenting the spurs letting Josh fucking maggette get signed by Orlando? :lol

I don't buy this argument at all. Robinson dragged a worse San Antonio guard corps to the WCF. Blake Griffin just isn't that good.

[Mr. Body]

The problem with Detroit is their guards are fucking terrible. The entire perimeter rotation is straight trash. The fact the made the playoffs at all is a testament to Griffins game because they might not even win 10 games without him. Griffin is a top 20 player in the league. You're really asking why people would be excited getting him? Werent you just lamenting the spurs letting Josh fucking maggette get signed by Orlando? :lol

And no, fucktard, of course the Spurs shouldn't have signed Josh Magette. What shit for brains you have.

[XDT76]

I don't buy this argument at all. Robinson dragged a worse San Antonio guard corps to the WCF. Blake Griffin just isn't that good.

That is a tall order you are asking maybe other than AD, non of the big man of today is anywhere close to DRob level

[Leetonidas]

And no, fucktard, of course the Spurs shouldn't have signed Josh Magette. What shit for brains you have.

Lol asshurt

[BatManu20]

If Detroit really wants to move Blake, they’d almost certainly trade him for draft picks over a 1-year rental of DeMar... Not happening tbh. Pipe dream.

[Mr. Body]

That is a tall order you are asking maybe other than AD, non of the big man of today is anywhere close to DRob level

Dude, Anthony Davis is just the same. Never gone anywhere. I'd definitely put peak Aldridge above those guys -- he actually got teams into the playoffs, as far as big guys.

[Hyperhypo]

Blake's contract is a bit high for an oft injured player

[jermaine]

I think if the Spurs wanted Blake, he'd be so motivated to play for a winning franchise.

[Genovaswitness]

this is going to turn into 50 pages of spurs Blake griffin fanfic. fuck all is going to happen

[Duncan87]

Thread should be closed Jabari Young was said to have heard nothing on this. Base less rumor

[Duncan87]

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[Duncan87]

Sorry had a link to Jabari chat can’t get it

[Genovaswitness]

fuck jabari young

[Prime BEEF]

Spurs front office probably won't trade him but they should. As soon as Pop or RC come out and say publicly "we just want to clear the air and let everyone know that we aren't trading DeMar". Things are going to get a little boring for the fans. The offseason will officially be over and for the most part (assuming no injuries) we generally know how the regular season and playoffs (hopefully) will go.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs front office probably won't trade him but they should. As soon as Pop or RC come out and say publicly "we just want to clear the air and let everyone know that we aren't trading DeMar". Things are going to get a little boring for the fans. The offseason will officially be over and for the most part (assuming no injuries) we generally know how the regular season and playoffs (hopefully) will go.

Why should RC and Pop care about clearing the air? These rumors have come from nowhere and are meaningless. The team doesn't care if the offseason is boring.

[Prime BEEF]

you assumed just the offseason. boring = season (and playoffs if we can get a 7 or 8 seed, but need everyone to stay healthy for this). like I stated in the 2nd half of the sentence.

Obviously they don't have to say anything. But maybe they aren't because they are still seeing what options are out there. That is also possible.

[DPG21920]

I will just say between little things I have heard + all the logical reasons why it makes sense, I definitely believe DeRozan trades are being discussed.

Does not mean I would peg it as extremely likely or anything, but it’s not just baseless rumors even if things never really progress past initial conversations.

[acoelho1]

Blake would be a perfect fit for the Spurs and the new NBA. He’s an excellent passer and would be the best distributor on the team. His offensive skill set is elite and it’s avposition of need for the Spurs so if there is an opportunity to get him, it’s a no-brainer.

[spurspl]

they should not even trade kawhi for derozan. I was hoping spurs make a trade with lakers but they asked for too much. I think that ingram/ball/hart and a pick in this year draft was the deal that could be done. Much better than this with toronto. Everybody who knows kawhi knew that he aint wanna play with lebron so this would be a steal.

[John B]

they should not even trade kawhi for derozan. I was hoping spurs make a trade with lakers but they asked for too much. I think that ingram/ball/hart and a pick in this year draft was the deal that could be done. Much better than this with toronto. Everybody who knows kawhi knew that he aint wanna play with lebron so this would be a steal.
You never trade your best player to your competition bruh. You send him as far away so not to directly compete with you. Kiwi just got lucky in Toronto. PATFO’s hands were tied and it was the best offer after dipshit torpedoed Spurs chance of fair trade. Easier to say after the fact. But at the time it was the least of the poison to take.

[Big P]

You never trade your best player to your competition bruh. You send him as far away so not to directly compete with you. Kiwi just got lucky in Toronto. PATFO’s hands were tied and it was the best offer after dipshit torpedoed Spurs chance of fair trade. Easier to say after the fact. But at the time it was the least of the poison to take.

Nah..there was the LA Clippers offer, (which is where he was going from the get go) of Harris/Bradley and the 13/14th pick which they took Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that offer was way better than DD...cuckovich and the fo were vindictive and wouldn't trtade kl to where he wanted to which would have been a much better return than what we got from Toronto...so yeah, you do trade with your competition...every team in the NBA is competition and it happens every year, see Hou/OKC, the most important thing was to ship kl off to the eastern conference and that totally bit them in the ass..he got his ring and got to go home....the Spurs lost out big time and it will go down as one of the most lopsided horrible trades in nba history...the fo has definitely lost their mojo.

[exstatic]

they should not even trade kawhi for derozan. I was hoping spurs make a trade with lakers but they asked for too much. I think that ingram/ball/hart and a pick in this year draft was the deal that could be done. Much better than this with toronto. Everybody who knows kawhi knew that he aint wanna play with lebron so this would be a steal.

That offer was never in the table. Magic said so on TV this summer. The offer was like Hart and Blood Clots and one pick, which would have been shit. For the second summer, the Fakers decided that they could offer shit because the player would be free the next summer. Both of those players are now playing across town.

[Mr. Body]

That offer was never in the table. Magic said so on TV this summer. The offer was like Hart and Blood Clots and one pick, which would have bee shit. For the second summer, the Fakers decided that they could offer shit because the player would be freed the next summer. Both of those players are now playing across town.

Magic/Lakers were trying to lowball the Spurs because both 1) they overvalued their assets, and 2) they thought Kawhi's team was doing a good job of forcing him to the Lakers. It didn't work.

Didn't work, really, again for two reasons, 1) the Spurs weren't gonna ever let Kawhi force himself to the Lakers, and 2) the Lakers' players were trash.

[sasaint]

Nah..there was the LA Clippers offer, (which is where he was going from the get go) of Harris/Bradley and the 13/14th pick which they took Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that offer was way better than DD...cuckovich and the fo were vindictive and wouldn't trtade kl to where he wanted to which would have been a much better return than what we got from Toronto...so yeah, you do trade with your competition...every team in the NBA is competition and it happens every year, see Hou/OKC, the most important thing was to ship kl off to the eastern conference and that totally bit them in the ass..he got his ring and got to go home....the Spurs lost out big time and it will go down as one of the most lopsided horrible trades in nba history...the fo has definitely lost their mojo.

Agree. Basketball ain’t chess. You make the best deal possible to improve your team. Period.

[slick'81]

But in the end lakers and clips improved and spurs are now deciding what happens long term with derozan

[TimDunkem]

Agree. Basketball ain’t chess. You make the best deal possible to improve your team. Period.

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs couldn't do better than DD, Turdle, and ONE measly late first rounder for Kawhi.

[Big P]

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs couldn't do better than DD, Turdle, and ONE measly late first rounder for Kawhi.

Exactly

[Mugen]

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs couldn't do better than DD, Turdle, and ONE measly late first rounder for Kawhi.

Don't forget RC throwing in an extra 5mil in cuck money :lol

[Big P]

Don't forget RC throwing in an extra 5mil in cuck money :lol

Talk about insult to injury....they actually paid Toronto to take him and got bent over in the process.

[tbdog]

Nah..there was the LA Clippers offer, (which is where he was going from the get go) of Harris/Bradley and the 13/14th pick which they took Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that offer was way better than DD...cuckovich and the fo were vindictive and wouldn't trtade kl to where he wanted to which would have been a much better return than what we got from Toronto...so yeah, you do trade with your competition...every team in the NBA is competition and it happens every year, see Hou/OKC, the most important thing was to ship kl off to the eastern conference and that totally bit them in the ass..he got his ring and got to go home....the Spurs lost out big time and it will go down as one of the most lopsided horrible trades in nba history...the fo has definitely lost their mojo.

I think that Clippers deal is much worse.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should've got the Raptors 2020 pick as well in the deal knowing nephew would leave them and they will be a much worse team. It wasn't rocket science to predict that

[baseline bum]

they should not even trade kawhi for derozan. I was hoping spurs make a trade with lakers but they asked for too much. I think that ingram/ball/hart and a pick in this year draft was the deal that could be done. Much better than this with toronto. Everybody who knows kawhi knew that he aint wanna play with lebron so this would be a steal.

What has Ingram ever done? For all the people claiming DeRozan is empty numbers, WTF is Ingram then? Plus he's a china doll. Plus he has a career threatening condition just like what ended Chris Bosh's career. Ball is even worse. The only remarkable thing he has ever done is shoot sub-42% from the free throw line. Hart is a good bench player at best. On a team with LeBron + Kawhi that first round pick wouldn't have been any better than the one the Spurs got from Toronto.

[baseline bum]

Spurs should've got the Raptors 2020 pick as well in the deal knowing nephew would leave them and they will be a much worse team. It wasn't rocket science to predict that

Yeah no way Ujiri was going for that.

[spurspl]

But in the end lakers and clips improved and spurs are now deciding what happens long term with derozan

exactly, i think that spurs management just overthinks. They could get some young potential players and/or picks for kawhi(the best trade asset they ever have) and dont give a shit if kawhi goes to east or west bc doing this move we could increase our chances to build a contender team in near future. Instead of this we have what we have... 1st or 2nd round.. but its now YEAH!!

[spurspl]

Nah..there was the LA Clippers offer, (which is where he was going from the get go) of Harris/Bradley and the 13/14th pick which they took Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that offer was way better than DD...cuckovich and the fo were vindictive and wouldn't trtade kl to where he wanted to which would have been a much better return than what we got from Toronto...so yeah, you do trade with your competition...every team in the NBA is competition and it happens every year, see Hou/OKC, the most important thing was to ship kl off to the eastern conference and that totally bit them in the ass..he got his ring and got to go home....the Spurs lost out big time and it will go down as one of the most lopsided horrible trades in nba history...the fo has definitely lost their mojo.
if this is true, spurs are more stupid than i thought

[Mr. Body]

Nah..there was the LA Clippers offer, (which is where he was going from the get go) of Harris/Bradley and the 13/14th pick which they took Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that offer was way better than DD...cuckovich and the fo were vindictive and wouldn't trtade kl to where he wanted to which would have been a much better return than what we got from Toronto...so yeah, you do trade with your competition...every team in the NBA is competition and it happens every year, see Hou/OKC, the most important thing was to ship kl off to the eastern conference and that totally bit them in the ass..he got his ring and got to go home....the Spurs lost out big time and it will go down as one of the most lopsided horrible trades in nba history...the fo has definitely lost their mojo.

I'm not sure the Clippers' trade was ever real. But let's slow our roll on SGA. I'm not impressed by the development of Kentucky players anyway. The Spurs weren't going to draft another point guard regardless, they just would have taken Lonnie earlier. Harris is pretty overrated.

The Spurs weren't going to accede to Kwahi's insane backstabbing demands and put him in LA. And they weren't going to start tanking. With LMA, they wanted to put another capable player beside him and went for DDR.

[SAGirl]

I honestly wouldn't trade him this season. The west is wide open and this team has a potential high ceiling depending on the leap White, Murray and Walker make. Spurs roster could be very well balanced with multiple high scoring options and the best defensive guard pairing in the NBA. With the west wide open it makes sense to keep him on the team for another season. Of course it depends on what you can back in a trade, but I doubt teams would be giving up anything significant for 1 year of DeMar DeRozan
I share your opinion and have a sense that your reason is the same one for the Spurs not being in a hurry to trade him despite knowing in their hearts of hearts that the relationship isn't long term. There's value in having him in the team this year if they want to compete (their aim all along after the Nephew schtick)... Only way he's traded is it someone makes real sense for them long term.

[Big P]

I'm not sure the Clippers' trade was ever real. But let's slow our roll on SGA. I'm not impressed by the development of Kentucky players anyway. The Spurs weren't going to draft another point guard regardless, they just would have taken Lonnie earlier. Harris is pretty overrated.

The Spurs weren't going to accede to Kwahi's insane backstabbing demands and put him in LA. And they weren't going to start tanking. With LMA, they wanted to put another capable player beside him and went for DDR.

So why add $5 mil? The Spurs got hosed, plain and simple...you give into his "insane backstabbing" demands if it is going to better the team...seriously why do they care where he plays? He was going to wind up in LA anyway, might as well take the better offer.. and I wasn't saying we would have taken SGA, but to have the 13/14 pick instead of Poeltl, the 29th pick AND kick in $5 mil? The fo supporters will turn a blind eye, but patfo totally fucked that trade up.

[Mr. Body]

So why add $5 mil? The Spurs got hosed, plain and simple...you give into his "insane backstabbing" demands if it is going to better the team...seriously why do they care where he plays? He was going to wind up in LA anyway, might as well take the better offer.. and I wasn't saying we would have taken SGA, but to have the 13/14 pick instead of Poeltl, the 29th pick AND kick in $5 mil? The fo supporters will turn a blind eye, but patfo totally fucked that trade up.

I care where he plays, the FO cared where he played. Letting a brat player force himself to the city of his choosing is abhorrent. I'm not sure the LAC deal was real and I can't say it was better than the Raptors' offer, either. The Spurs already had two potential guards that could play PG/SG. They've always valued strong defensive centers. They valued DeRozan over somebody like Harris and I don't know if that's the wrong choice. Harris was a free agent at the end of the year, too, no? You gonna risk just outright losing him? And maybe SGA is actually good, but we'll see.

[John B]

Nah..there was the LA Clippers offer, (which is where he was going from the get go) of Harris/Bradley and the 13/14th pick which they took Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that offer was way better than DD...cuckovich and the fo were vindictive and wouldn't trtade kl to where he wanted to which would have been a much better return than what we got from Toronto...so yeah, you do trade with your competition...every team in the NBA is competition and it happens every year, see Hou/OKC, the most important thing was to ship kl off to the eastern conference and that totally bit them in the ass..he got his ring and got to go home....the Spurs lost out big time and it will go down as one of the most lopsided horrible trades in nba history...the fo has definitely lost their mojo.
If the bastard did not rang, we don’t have this discussion. That dipshit just got Forrest Gump lucky. Granted, PATFO should’ve demanded for Siakam.

[Big P]

I care where he plays, the FO cared where he played. Letting a brat player force himself to the city of his choosing is abhorrent. I'm not sure the LAC deal was real and I can't say it was better than the Raptors' offer, either. The Spurs already had two potential guards that could play PG/SG. They've always valued strong defensive centers. They valued DeRozan over somebody like Harris and I don't know if that's the wrong choice. Harris was a free agent at the end of the year, too, no? You gonna risk just outright losing him? And maybe SGA is actually good, but we'll see.

Harris is a SF which is what we needed, Bradley is nice defensive guard to replace Danny, you can pick up defensive centers for cheap now ..and if after all of that Harris and Bradley left for nothing, then we would have had cap space to pursue players or trades plus the draft picks and $5 mil we didn't have to give away...you and the fo cared where he plays, but the serious question is why? He was going to play wherever he wanted to eventually and there was nothing they could do but just delay it and try to stick it to him..the fo is always trying to look good to other FA's with bullshit loyalty contracts etc. and it never gets the team anywhere..literally we have signed no big time FA's besides LA and that was probably because he wanted to be close to his son...so now that they "stuck" it to KL instead of sending him where he wanted, you think that makes the fo look good in FA's eyes? Can't have it both ways...Either way patfo got cucked.

[exstatic]

Harris is a SF which is what we needed, Bradley is nice defensive guard to replace Danny, you can pick up defensive centers for cheap now ..and if after all of that Harris and Bradley left for nothing, then we would have had cap space to pursue players or trades plus the draft picks and $5 mil we didn't have to give away...you and the fo cared where he plays, but the serious question is why? He was going to play wherever he wanted to eventually and there was nothing they could do but just delay it and try to stick it to him..the fo is always trying to look good to other FA's with bullshit loyalty contracts etc. and it never gets the team anywhere..literally we have signed no big time FA's besides LA and that was probably because he wanted to be close to his son...so now that they "stuck" it to KL instead of sending him where he wanted, you think that makes the fo look good in FA's eyes? Can't have it both ways...Either way patfo got cucked.

So, you would LITERALLY rather have nothing than two years of DD, Poeltl, and Keldon? God, you’re a retard. .

[Big P]

Don't get butthurt when someone disagrees with you...throwing insults..you sound like a lib.

[Big P]

We wouldn't have anything? We would have cap space, the draft pick(s) and we could have drafted Keldon at 19.

[exstatic]

Don't get butthurt when someone disagrees with you...throwing insults..you sound like a lib.

Ah, a Trumptard. That explains the lack of focus or any point at all. :lol

[Big P]

Ah, a Trumptard. That explains the lack of focus or any point at all. :lol

So I was right...got it.

[exstatic]

We wouldn't have anything? We would have cap space, the draft pick(s) and we could have drafted Keldon at 19.


You just said no FAs would come here! Why do we need cap room?

[goliath]

The rumored clipper offer is the most overrated scenario on this board. Harris was a free agent. We would have had to max him out and spurs fans would bitch and moan about maxing a boarderline all star or we let him walk and spurs fans would bitch and moan about trading kawhi for a one year rental.

The two picks wouldn’t have added much. We wouldn’t have drafted SGA. We already had a preinjury Murray and white at point guard. Rumor was the spurs had LWIII as a late lottery pick so one of those picks likely have been LWIII anyways.

So the clipper trade basically amounted to a one year rental of Harris and one pick.

[EricB]

Wonder if it's more the Spurs not wanting to lock him up long-term or them being impressed with Lonnie's progression. Either way I'm good.

Both.

[EricB]

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs couldn't do better than DD, Turdle, and ONE measly late first rounder for Kawhi.


Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

[EricB]

Spurs should've got the Raptors 2020 pick as well in the deal knowing nephew would leave them and they will be a much worse team. It wasn't rocket science to predict that


You cant trade consecutive year draft picks.

[tbdog]

Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Exactly. Clippers rumour was the best we saw that got leaked and imo it was worse than the Toronto deal. Clippers didn't want to be second fiddle to Lakers. That was their incentive. Celtics rumour was Smart was their best player offered. Lakers apparently had Deng on the table and one asset. Sixers didn't want to even include Fultz. No one else was rumoured to be bidding.

[EricB]

Exactly. Clippers rumour was the best we saw that got leaked and imo it was worse than the Toronto deal. Clippers didn't want to be second fiddle to Lakers. That was their incentive. Celtics rumour was Smart was their best player offered. Lakers apparently had Deng on the table and one asset. Sixers didn't want to even include Fultz. No one else was rumoured to be bidding.


The Clippers offer was Harris and one pick. That’s it.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs couldn't do better than DD, Turdle, and ONE measly late first rounder for Kawhi.


Exactly


Don't forget RC throwing in an extra 5mil in cuck money :lol


Talk about insult to injury....they actually paid Toronto to take him and got bent over in the process.


if this is true, spurs are more stupid than i thought

Don't forget we also agreed to a further cucking by agreeing to the Toronto top 20 protected pick demand.

[EricB]

Don't forget we also agreed to a further cucking by agreeing to the Toronto top 20 protected pick demand.

Because they knew there was no way with the weak east and how good they were they’d be under it. You guys have zero clue what leverage is. What. So. Ever.

[RC_Drunkford]

You cant trade consecutive year draft picks.

yeah true my bad. 2021 then, but it made a lot of sense to take a future 1st when nephew is off the team. Would be a nice asset to throw in a trade too. The Harris deal is overrated, Harris is a empty stats player who demands max money and can't defend

[Chillen]

Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Kawhi hurt the Spurs franchise long term by wanting out but I am glad it worked out for Raptors and they got an NBA title out of it. Sure Spurs should have gotten more for Kawhi but he was going to go to either Lakers or Clippers all along even after winning an NBA title it wasn't enough to get him to stay. Dude was dead set on playing in LA market no matter. I think teams made the right call on Kawhi. Spurs did get fleeced though but Raptors just have Lowry now and he left them in the cold without defending the NBA title he had just won. Very weak tbh. Yes it was worth it for Raptors but not long term everything went right for them in the 2019 playoffs though. If he had stayed I think they would have had a good chance at winning it all again that team had good chemistry. Dude never wanted to be there though even if everything went perfectly and he played his ass off for them.

[spurspl]

The rumored clipper offer is the most overrated scenario on this board. Harris was a free agent. We would have had to max him out and spurs fans would bitch and moan about maxing a boarderline all star or we let him walk and spurs fans would bitch and moan about trading kawhi for a one year rental.

The two picks wouldn’t have added much. We wouldn’t have drafted SGA. We already had a preinjury Murray and white at point guard. Rumor was the spurs had LWIII as a late lottery pick so one of those picks likely have been LWIII anyways.

So the clipper trade basically amounted to a one year rental of Harris and one pick.

i wouldnt mind to give him max, hes only 26 and can still improve. im convinced that he’d become a ~25ppg, ~10rpg with ~40% from 3 easily under our coaches. Find me a better player.
U can always pick SGA and trade him or another our guard for a center or pf.

[YGWHI]

We would have had to max him out and spurs fans would bitch and moan about maxing a boarderline all star or we let him walk and spurs fans would bitch and moan about trading kawhi for a one year rental.

Spurs fans here get mad after Kawhi's departure but they would bitch about "load management" if Kawhi would have stayed and signed the supermax..."WTF??$220 and he can' play a single back to back in the season??"

Spurs fans on ST dislike Derozan but they would bitch about getting talented young guys for Kawhi "who's this Siakim Siakam whatever? another raw, skinny kid??"

We would bitch about any Spurs' move. Good, bad...it doesn't matter we would bitch about... :lol

[Keepin' it real]

Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

:lobt2:is why

[spurspl]

Spurs fans here get mad after Kawhi's departure but they would bitch about "load management" if Kawhi would have stayed and signed the supermax..."WTF??$220 and he can' play a single back to back in the season??"

Spurs fans on ST dislike Derozan but they would bitch about getting talented young guys for Kawhi "who's this Siakim Siakam whatever? another raw, skinny kid??"

We would bitch about any Spurs' move. Good, bad...it doesn't matter we would bitch about... :lol
only blind people would bitch about getting Siakam

[YGWHI]

only blind people would bitch about getting Siakam
I guess you don't read Spurstalk that often...In 2018 offseason most people here where OG Anunoby>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siakam

[Big P]

You just said no FAs would come here! Why do we need cap room?

Really? The Spurs can trade for a player under contract since they would be under the cap. I said we never signed any major FA besides LA and that was probably because he wanted to be near his kid. Name another top tier FA that we were able to sign, not trade for or draft, but sign.

[spurspl]

og anunoby is very promising too but his healthy stays under a question mark. Im not suprised that most of u thought that og is way way way better than siakam if there are people who thinks that derozan>tobias or murray making a huge numbers after acl this season. Og maybe seemed to be better option but only slightly. But it doesnt matter bc raptors are smart and didnt want to include any of these guys.

[ace3g]

Can anyone post this article?

https://twitter.com/ExpressNews/status/1152730312637583360

[slick'81]

Seems derozan wants that extension

[Degoat]

If the spurs and Demar can’t come to an agreement, they gotta trade him for whatever I think

[Mr. Body]

Can't see him getting the extension.

[Collins21]

If the spurs and Demar can’t come to an agreement, they gotta trade him for whatever I think

No you don't trade him for whatever you let him play out his contact and the if leaves you think him for his services.

[slick'81]

No you don't trade him for whatever you let him play out his contact and the if leaves you think him for his services.


So all the bitching about letting tobias harris walk for nothing was a bad idea are ok with derozan doing the same?

[Collins21]

So all the bitching about letting tobias harris walk for nothing was a bad idea are ok with derozan doing the same?

I never made that claim I'm all for using a asset and then discarding it when it is no longer useful as oppose to trading it in for trash. Now if the Spurs can get a good player on a good contract For Derozan sign me up. However I'm not for trading him for Nic Batum or Robert Covington.

[slick'81]

I never made that claim I'm all for using a asset and then discarding it when it is no longer useful as oppose to trading it in for trash. Now if the Spurs can get a good player on a good contract For Derozan sign me up. However I'm not for trading him for Nic Batum or Robert Covington.

No i didnt mean you sorry just in general.i hope spurs know what they want and either trade derozan this season or prepare for him to use that player option as leverage

[Prime BEEF]

Letting him walk for nothing would be suicide for the spurs organization. Next years FA class isn’t very good but even if it was the spurs couldn’t get them to sign with SA. You either sign him to an extension or you trade him for players that you think improve the team

[Collins21]

No i didnt mean you sorry just in general.i hope spurs know what they want and either trade derozan this season or prepare for him to use that player option as leverage

Exactly they have options that they can use if they choose. However I will not be a fan of trading DeRozan for packages around Batum/ Covington.

[slick'81]

Exactly they have options that they can use if they choose. However I will not be a fan of trading DeRozan for packages around Batum/ Covington.


No doubt batum is trash

[spurspl]

we cannot let him go away for nothing!

there are rumors about knicks magic and bulls. But what do u say about trading him to the nets? derozan/metu/keldon and a pick/s for spencer/levert/harris/j allen? i think thats a win win trade. Nets gets big 3 and when durant be back from injury i can see them in east finals easily. Spurs get young very promising guys and an excellent 3pt shooter.

[Bellboy]

we cannot let him go away for nothing!

there are rumors about knicks magic and bulls. But what do u say about trading him to the nets? derozan/metu/keldon and a pick/s for spencer/levert/harris/j allen? i think thats a win win trade. Nets gets big 3 and when durant be back from injury i can see them in east finals easily. Spurs get young very promising guys and an excellent 3pt shooter.


Nets could only take the salaries of Derozan and Metu and draft picks to make the trade work and not to mention the number of contracts the Spurs would have. Other teams would be needed to take players off our current roster. I do admit I like the value of the players you are seeking for San Antonio though.

[cd021]

we cannot let him go away for nothing!

there are rumors about knicks magic and bulls. But what do u say about trading him to the nets? derozan/metu/keldon and a pick/s for spencer/levert/harris/j allen? i think thats a win win trade. Nets gets big 3 and when durant be back from injury i can see them in east finals easily. Spurs get young very promising guys and an excellent 3pt shooter.

No to the Nets deal for obvious reasons. If The Bulls are really interested then Porter and a protected pick for DeRozan and Belinelli would work.

[cd021]

Letting him walk for nothing would be suicide for the spurs organization. Next years FA class isn’t very good but even if it was the spurs couldn’t get them to sign with SA. You either sign him to an extension or you trade him for players that you think improve the team

It certainly wouldn't be suicide for the Spurs to let him walk, it'll be fine if he did. Re-signing him to trade him involves finding an agreeable number and then there is the issue of finding a team that would value him on a long term deal despite being over 30. Trading him now or letting him walk are the best options.

[tbdog]

I am not sure what the love affair for Porter is. He is a serviceable but vastly overpaid SF. He has never been the best or second best player in the team. The Wizard looked awful even when he had a bigger role last year. The Bulls did not improve. DD lead the Raptors to 60 wins.

[spurspl]

Nets could only take the salaries of Derozan and Metu and draft picks to make the trade work and not to mention the number of contracts the Spurs would have. Other teams would be needed to take players off our current roster. I do admit I like the value of the players you are seeking for San Antonio though.

oh ok, did not know about those salaries bc in trade machine it worked. Sure to make this happen spurs need to get rid of some players to make a room for another contracts but its possible. It would be not an easy trade but definetely worth it.And i do admit that i appreciate that u like my ideas.


I am not sure what the love affair for Porter is. He is a serviceable but vastly overpaid SF. He has never been the best or second best player in the team. The Wizard looked awful even when he had a bigger role last year. The Bulls did not improve. DD lead the Raptors to 60 wins.

agree, porter too expensive. From the bulls id consider only lavine but there is no way that bulls would trade him for dd

[GreekSpursfan]

I would go after B.Beal as i'm only interested in him even though i know how difficult that would be.

[spurspl]

I would go after B.Beal as i'm only interested in him even though i know how difficult that would be.

beal isnt bad idea but has some cons. For example 1) to make this happen we have to probably include lots of our picks and some young guys (bc wiz needs to rebuild), 2) we wouldnt get any valuable players , only beal and 3) his attitude...

[exstatic]

I am not sure what the love affair for Porter is. He is a serviceable but vastly overpaid SF. He has never been the best or second best player in the team. The Wizard looked awful even when he had a bigger role last year. The Bulls did not improve. DD lead the Raptors to 60 wins.

The attraction to Porter is that both he and DD will likely opt out next summer, but Porter does the things we need: playing D and shooting the 3 ball. If you’re looking for a one year player to roll off next summer, he’s a much better fit than DD. You just need a stopgap for a year while KJ and Luka play in Austin.

[spurspl]

The attraction to Porter is that both he and DD will likely opt out next summer, but Porter does the things we need: playing D and shooting the 3 ball. If you’re looking for a one year player to roll off next summer, he’s a much better fit than DD. You just need a stopgap for a year while KJ and Luka play in Austin.

We cant afford to a one year player. DD must be traded for someone younger who would help us to build a future. Next year FAs sucks and i dont think whoever want to come to SA so cap space would be useless. Our young guys are pretty good but not good enough to be a contender in future.

[Chinook]

The team's future doesn't depend on trading DeRozan. What kind of lunacy is that? At best, they'll get a pick in the 20s or a decent young player. They'll get nothing better than what they could sign or draft themselves.

[spurspl]

yes, to some extent it is bc hes the best asset we have and probably the best we will have until our young guys improve.decent young player is better than nothing and its always a small step forward

[exstatic]

We cant afford to a one year player. DD must be traded for someone younger who would help us to build a future. Next year FAs sucks and i dont think whoever want to come to SA so cap space would be useless. Our young guys are pretty good but not good enough to be a contender in future.

DD isn’t going to bring a difference making young player in trade.

[MultiTroll]

DD isn’t going to bring a difference making young player in trade.
mmmmn depends on how much better young player(s) get after joining Spurs.

[MultiTroll]

yes, to some extent it is bc hes the best asset we have and probably the best we will have until our young guys improve.decent young player is better than nothing and its always a small step forward
Right on.
Look how good bad haircut dude might turn out to be.
Along with White, DJ.

[spurspl]

DD isn’t going to bring a difference making young player in trade.
u never know, i think the nets would be strongly considering to give levert to make a big3. Or even magic giving gordon. imo these two in spurs would become an allstar in 2-3yrs

[MultiTroll]

A Win Now team that comes in need of a scoring guard (DD) could be the answer.
Injury to existing Win Now teams guard?
Like could a trade deadline scenario yield juicy results?

The Rockets already blew out all their trade picks to unload CP0. Something like that tho.

[Chinook]

u never know, i think the nets would be strongly considering to give levert to make a big3. Or even magic giving gordon. imo these two in spurs would become an allstar in 2-3yrs

"You never know" is not a good enough reason for me to worry about. There's zero reason to hurry into a DeRozan trade if the only thing you can get is a guy who isn't a better prospect than Walker or Samanic. Levert is a guy I like, but I wouldn't give up anything of value to get him on the Spurs given Murray, White and Walker are already on the team. The narrow chance that the Spurs can find a way to win a title is worth more to me than Levert's entire career (and that's pretending like him joining the guard rotation wouldn't make it nearly impossible to keep everyone together). The team already has an intriguing future. There's no reason to sacrifice whatever this year is to make it marginally better. If you think you can make this team better from a DeRozan trade (which is WAY harder than some posters here believe), then I can understand doing it. But letting him walk isn't going to hurt the team at all. At all, at all. He is not a franchise player, and he wouldn't bring one back in a trade either. 2020 free agency isn't great, but it's good enough to pick up a role-playing wing, and that's what the Spurs should be hoping to pick up in any DeRozan deal. And if DeMar opts in, then 2021 free agency speaks for itself.

[R. DeMurre]

"You never know" is not a good enough reason for me to worry about. There's zero reason to hurry into a DeRozan trade if the only thing you can get is a guy who isn't a better prospect than Walker or Samanic. Levert is a guy I like, but I wouldn't give up anything of value to get him on the Spurs given Murray, White and Walker are already on the team. The narrow chance that the Spurs can find a way to win a title is worth more to me than Levert's entire career (and that's pretending like him joining the guard rotation wouldn't make it nearly impossible to keep everyone together). The team already has an intriguing future. There's no reason to sacrifice whatever this year is to make it marginally better. If you think you can make this team better from a DeRozan trade (which is WAY harder than some posters here believe), then I can understand doing it. But letting him walk isn't going to hurt the team at all. At all, at all. He is not a franchise player, and he wouldn't bring one back in a trade either. 2020 free agency isn't great, but it's good enough to pick up a role-playing wing, and that's what the Spurs should be hoping to pick up in any DeRozan deal. And if DeMar opts in, then 2021 free agency speaks for itself.

I get your reasoning, but I can see why some would say that your own assessment that letting him walk doesn't hurt the team at all, at all, at all kind of makes the argument that he should be traded, even if for a few unheralded net positive players.

[spurspl]

"You never know" is not a good enough reason for me to worry about. There's zero reason to hurry into a DeRozan trade if the only thing you can get is a guy who isn't a better prospect than Walker or Samanic. Levert is a guy I like, but I wouldn't give up anything of value to get him on the Spurs given Murray, White and Walker are already on the team. The narrow chance that the Spurs can find a way to win a title is worth more to me than Levert's entire career (and that's pretending like him joining the guard rotation wouldn't make it nearly impossible to keep everyone together). The team already has an intriguing future. There's no reason to sacrifice whatever this year is to make it marginally better. If you think you can make this team better from a DeRozan trade (which is WAY harder than some posters here believe), then I can understand doing it. But letting him walk isn't going to hurt the team at all. At all, at all. He is not a franchise player, and he wouldn't bring one back in a trade either. 2020 free agency isn't great, but it's good enough to pick up a role-playing wing, and that's what the Spurs should be hoping to pick up in any DeRozan deal. And if DeMar opts in, then 2021 free agency speaks for itself.

levert is much better than any of our young guys. but if im wrong and somehow murray white or walker become an allstar (which i doubt) there is nothing wrong to have another young guy in a roster(even if he is another guard). Sometimes i think that u overvalue them, remember that f.e murray will be coming back from acl so he will have limited minutes and he still cant shoot. white is good and be a solid pg but thats all. Loonie imo has potential and it depends how much work he put into himself.
Letting dd go away for nothing is the worst scenario.

[Chinook]

I also don't really see a DeRozan-to-BRK scenario that could work financially. The Nets would have to trade four guys to make up the salary. Sure, Harris, Dinwiddie and a guy like Prince would be a good package. But there isn't anyone they could add now that would fill that gap except another prospect, and I don't know that either team would want that. Swapping out Temple for Prince or Jordan for Dinwiddie would make the numbers work, but then it's hard to find a way to make the roster spaces worth.

Say the teams go "fuck it" and just do Dinwidde, Harris, Prince and Claxton for DeRozan. This would be the Spurs' depth chart:

Murray, Dinwiddie, Mills
White, Walker, Belinelli Forbes
Harris, Prince, Johnson
Gay, Carroll, Samanic, Lyles, Metu
Aldridge, Poeltl, Claxton

That's three additional players than the limit. Maybe Forbes and Metu to a third team for neutral value? Maybe Beli and seconds to a third team? The Lyles signing would really be coming back to bite the Spurs then.

[spurraider21]

The team's future doesn't depend on trading DeRozan. What kind of lunacy is that? At best, they'll get a pick in the 20s or a decent young player. They'll get nothing better than what they could sign or draft themselves.
why not sign and draft decent young players while also acquiring a decent young player now for derozan?

[Chinook]

levert is much better than any of our young guys. but if im wrong and somehow murray white or walker become an allstar (which i doubt) there is nothing wrong to have another young guy in a roster(even if he is another guard). Sometimes i think that u overvalue them, remember that f.e murray will be coming back from acl so he will have limited minutes and he still cant shoot. white is good and be a solid pg but thats all. Loonie imo has potential and it depends how much work he put into himself.
Letting dd go away for nothing is the worst scenario.

If Murray, White or Walker aren't that good, then there is not future, and the team has no business not trying to win-now at all costs. If the team is truly going to rebuild, they'll get value from their natural picks or from doing deals with their cap space. They aren't going to turn things around with a bunch of non-All Stars and Levert.

I don't disagree that Caris has shown more than any of the Spurs' young guys. But the future isn't about the present. If those guys don't have that kind of ceilings, then you trade them now to give yourself the best chance at winning with the two guys on the team that you KNOW can already play at an All-Star or All-NBA level. You can't waffle. Either those guys are more worth building around than DMDR and LMA, or they aren't. Giving that people are saying that DeRozan wants an extension, the fear that he's trying to force his way out doesn't really apply anymore. Then can have that duo for two more years if they want to, so if their future isn't look so great, that should be the plan. They might have had a chance last year with the right trades, given how the playoffs ended up playing out.

[Chinook]

why not sign and draft decent young players while also acquiring a decent young player now for derozan?

Because they can just keep DeRozan, who's already an All-Star caliber player while not having any worse future than they'd have if they traded him. If you're going to be in same in five years whether you trade DeRozan (and/or Aldridge) or not, then why trade him/them?

And remember, you're suggesting DeRozan is going to be sought after here, so it doesn't make sense to go into the whole spiel on DeRozan being a net-negative. Brooklyn or any other team wouldn't trade better players for him if they thought that. A team like the Magic shouldn't value DeRozan any more than the Spurs do.

[Chinook]

I get your reasoning, but I can see why some would say that your own assessment that letting him walk doesn't hurt the team at all, at all, at all kind of makes the argument that he should be traded, even if for a few unheralded net positive players.

Because the now matters. Folks are spamming ST acting like the world has ended simply because the Spurs are now a bottom-half-of-the-bracket playoff team rather than being at the top half. These folks aren't prepared to tank. DeRozan is not a franchise player, but he has more on-the-court value than he does on the trade market. Getting back a pick for him isn't going to make the team tangibly better than not getting back that pick. This is comparing a DeRozan trade for a guy like Porter versus a DeRozan trade for a younger but worse player. This isn't about whether to trade DeRozan at all.

If you think you can make the 2019 Spurs better with a DeRozan trade, you do it. If you think not doing it makes the 2023 Spurs worse, I don't think it's justified.

[spurraider21]

Because they can just keep DeRozan, who's already an All-Star caliber player while not having any worse future than they'd have if they traded him. If you're going to be in same in five years whether you trade DeRozan (and/or Aldridge) or not, then why trade him/them?

And remember, you're suggesting DeRozan is going to be sought after here, so it doesn't make sense to go into the whole spiel on DeRozan being a net-negative. Brooklyn or any other team wouldn't trade better players for him if they thought that. A team like the Magic shouldn't value DeRozan any more than the Spurs do.
because derozan's presence is stunting the development of our 3 guards, and that could have a significant impact in less than 5 years down the line

[Trueblood]

https://www.inquisitr.com/5541253/nba-rumors-blazers-could-acquire-lamarcus-aldridge-demar-derozan-for-three-players-three-1st-round-picks/

Interesting article. Summary:

LA & DDR to Portland for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal Labissiere, a 2020 first-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, and a 2024 first-round pick.

Authors takeaway: Spurs get building blocks and draft assets while Portland gets some fringe all-star to help capitalize on lillards prime years.

[K...]

https://www.inquisitr.com/5541253/nba-rumors-blazers-could-acquire-lamarcus-aldridge-demar-derozan-for-three-players-three-1st-round-picks/

Interesting article. Summary:

LA & DDR to Portland for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal Labissiere, a 2020 first-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, and a 2024 first-round pick.

Authors takeaway: Spurs get building blocks and draft assets while Portland gets some fringe all-star to help capitalize on lillards prime years.

NO

[r0drig0lac]

https://www.inquisitr.com/5541253/nba-rumors-blazers-could-acquire-lamarcus-aldridge-demar-derozan-for-three-players-three-1st-round-picks/

Interesting article. Summary:

LA & DDR to Portland for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal Labissiere, a 2020 first-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, and a 2024 first-round pick.

Authors takeaway: Spurs get building blocks and draft assets while Portland gets some fringe all-star to help capitalize on lillards prime years.

no way

[lmbebo]

https://www.inquisitr.com/5541253/nba-rumors-blazers-could-acquire-lamarcus-aldridge-demar-derozan-for-three-players-three-1st-round-picks/

Interesting article. Summary:

LA & DDR to Portland for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal Labissiere, a 2020 first-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, and a 2024 first-round pick.

Authors takeaway: Spurs get building blocks and draft assets while Portland gets some fringe all-star to help capitalize on lillards prime years.

meh. Believe it when we see it. Otherwise, it looks like someone to get clicks.

[sasaint]

https://www.inquisitr.com/5541253/nba-rumors-blazers-could-acquire-lamarcus-aldridge-demar-derozan-for-three-players-three-1st-round-picks/

Interesting article. Summary:

LA & DDR to Portland for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal Labissiere, a 2020 first-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, and a 2024 first-round pick.

Authors takeaway: Spurs get building blocks and draft assets while Portland gets some fringe all-star to help capitalize on lillards prime years.

Total fantasy.

[spurraider21]

Im all for dealing DeRozan but that’s a trash deal

[TD 21]

I am not sure what the love affair for Porter is. He is a serviceable but vastly overpaid SF. He has never been the best or second best player in the team. The Wizard looked awful even when he had a bigger role last year. The Bulls did not improve. DD lead the Raptors to 60 wins.

The pieces would fit so much better. In addition to getting a much needed injection of size, 3-point shooting and defense on the wing, instead of the current likely scenario, which is Murray/White mostly splitting PG duties and playing more so off ball, they could start together and play more on ball.

:lmao At the notion of DeRozan leading the Raptors to 60 (it was 59) wins. It was Lowry + the league best 2nd unit that was primarily responsible. As ever, they were better with him off than on.




"You never know" is not a good enough reason for me to worry about. There's zero reason to hurry into a DeRozan trade if the only thing you can get is a guy who isn't a better prospect than Walker or Samanic. Levert is a guy I like, but I wouldn't give up anything of value to get him on the Spurs given Murray, White and Walker are already on the team. The narrow chance that the Spurs can find a way to win a title is worth more to me than Levert's entire career (and that's pretending like him joining the guard rotation wouldn't make it nearly impossible to keep everyone together). The team already has an intriguing future. There's no reason to sacrifice whatever this year is to make it marginally better. If you think you can make this team better from a DeRozan trade (which is WAY harder than some posters here believe), then I can understand doing it. But letting him walk isn't going to hurt the team at all. At all, at all. He is not a franchise player, and he wouldn't bring one back in a trade either. 2020 free agency isn't great, but it's good enough to pick up a role-playing wing, and that's what the Spurs should be hoping to pick up in any DeRozan deal. And if DeMar opts in, then 2021 free agency speaks for itself.

There is no narrow chance to win a title and the ceiling in '21 free agency is likely a player the caliber of Porter Jr. or Gordon (and by the off chance they can do better and need to clear cap space, they'd be easy to move). Might as well expedite the process, while giving Murray, White, Walker room to flourish. In the interim, the team would likely be as good or better.

[cd021]

https://www.inquisitr.com/5541253/nba-rumors-blazers-could-acquire-lamarcus-aldridge-demar-derozan-for-three-players-three-1st-round-picks/

Interesting article. Summary:

LA & DDR to Portland for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal Labissiere, a 2020 first-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, and a 2024 first-round pick.

Authors takeaway: Spurs get building blocks and draft assets while Portland gets some fringe all-star to help capitalize on lillards prime years.

Why would the Spur do that deal? They are probably as good or better than Portland with DDR and LMA and with a jump from Murray and White could compete in the West, so they ship them out and rebuild? for 3 firsts, 2 of which would likely be very late ones.

[GreekSpursfan]

beal isnt bad idea but has some cons. For example 1) to make this happen we have to probably include lots of our picks and some young guys (bc wiz needs to rebuild), 2) we wouldnt get any valuable players , only beal and 3) his attitude...

I think a pick and Forbes will do it, with Derozan of course.

[cd021]

because derozan's presence is stunting the development of our 3 guards, and that could have a significant impact in less than 5 years down the line

I wouldn't say that DDR is stunting their development as of yet, but if he were on this team past next season then he would definitely be stunting their progress then, especially Walker. Then again, if Walker is his backup this year, giving Walker a chance to play a NBA role and continue to develop before potentially becoming the starter would be a benefit.

[cd021]

I think a pick and Forbes will do it, with Derozan of course.

Beal is 4 years younger than DDR, and significantly better than he is and all the Spurs would need to give up is Forbes and a 1st? Spurs would probably have to offer up White and multiple firsts instead just for a conversation to occur.

[spurspl]

Because the now matters. Folks are spamming ST acting like the world has ended simply because the Spurs are now a bottom-half-of-the-bracket playoff team rather than being at the top half. These folks aren't prepared to tank. DeRozan is not a franchise player, but he has more on-the-court value than he does on the trade market. Getting back a pick for him isn't going to make the team tangibly better than not getting back that pick. This is comparing a DeRozan trade for a guy like Porter versus a DeRozan trade for a younger but worse player. This isn't about whether to trade DeRozan at all.

If you think you can make the 2019 Spurs better with a DeRozan trade, you do it. If you think not doing it makes the 2023 Spurs worse, I don't think it's justified.

”because now matter” this “now” looks like 2nd round at most and if u keep derozan for another year and let him go away for nothing u can say goodbye playoffs for another yearS. The only hope is to improve young players, thats a reason why its so important to get someone with potential for derozan. Spurs probably wont sign a big name in FA. I see that u prefer to have another 80% to make a playoffs with 0% to reach finals than skipping playoffs now and significantly increase chances to reach finals in future. I prefer this second option bc we have a great coaches and im pissed off that they cannot get(not via trade nor draft) a highly potential guy to make him a beast.

[TD 21]

DeRozan and Horford are the ultimate litmus test of basketball knowledge in this era. Those who think the former is a legit star and the latter isn't, you know right then they're not worth listening to, reading or having a discussion with.

The Nets won't have interest in DeRozan. They not only don't lack, but have superior shot creators and just proved that they can lure a superstar and a legit star. The only teams that will have interest, will be the antithesis of that + trying to be as competitive as possible short term.



Why would the Spur do that deal? They are probably as good or better than Portland with DDR and LMA and with a jump from Murray and White could compete in the West, so they ship them out and rebuild? for 3 firsts, 2 of which would likely be very late ones.

In addition, the picks aren't even far enough out to where you can project Lillard and to a lesser extent McCollum, to be post prime.

Yeah, this notion that they belong in a separate tier is nonsense. They made a lot of changes, so they're different (slightly more dynamic, but small on the wings and lacking depth overall), but more or less the same pretenders they've always been.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't say that DDR is stunting their development as of yet, but if he were on this team past next season then he would definitely be stunting their progress then, especially Walker. Then again, if Walker is his backup this year, giving Walker a chance to play a NBA role and continue to develop before potentially becoming the starter would be a benefit.
he's already stunting white's growth by being ball dominant and not being able to shoot. and if we had to choose between moving DDR to accommodate Murray or vice versa, i'd choose murray as the one to keep

[spurspl]

DeRozan and Horford are the ultimate litmus test of basketball knowledge in this era. Those who think the former is a legit star and the latter isn't, you know right then they're not worth listening to, reading or having a discussion with.

The Nets won't have interest in DeRozan. They not only don't lack, but have superior shot creators and just proved that they can lure a superstar and a legit star. The only teams that will have interest, will be the antithesis of that + trying to be as competitive as possible short term.




In addition, the picks aren't even far enough out to where you can project Lillard and to a lesser extent McCollum, to be post prime.

Yeah, this notion that they belong in a separate tier is nonsense. They made a lot of changes, so they're different (slightly more dynamic, but small on the wings and lacking depth overall), but more or less the same pretenders they've always been.

i think they have interest. First of all the only big3 in duos era. Second of all, they lure kd and kyrie only bc they wanted to play together and nets had enough cap space. NOT bc nets organization. And last, nets likes doing a weird trade and imo they would do anything to make their roster better at least on paper in a short term. They not used to have so many all stars in a team. This is their opportunity.

[Chinook]

because derozan's presence is stunting the development of our 3 guards, and that could have a significant impact in less than 5 years down the line

Do you have any (any at all) evidence that this is happening? Sounds like really baseless speculation. White developed pretty damned well, and Walker was going to be in the d-league regardless. And DeRozan doesn't even play the same position.

Just a bad assumption.

[TimDunkem]

He doesn't play winning basketball
He needs to go.

[Chinook]

There is no narrow chance to win a title and the ceiling in '21 free agency is likely a player the caliber of Porter Jr. or Gordon (and by the off chance they can do better and need to clear cap space, they'd be easy to move). Might as well expedite the process, while giving Murray, White, Walker room to flourish. In the interim, the team would likely be as good or better.


Of course there's a chance to win a title. I know you have to wait until the Spurs are actually holding the trophy to believe they have any chance of getting it, but they have the upside and talent to win, especially considering that Kawhi, George and Davis are way less durable than their age would suggest.

[Chinook]

”because now matter” this “now” looks like 2nd round at most and if u keep derozan for another year and let him go away for nothing u can say goodbye playoffs for another yearS.

What do you mean "for another year"? They literally haven't said "goodbye playoffs" in two decades. Acting like "second-round at most" isn't worth having is just defensible to me. You want the young Spurs to grow up in a winning environment. You want them to get role-player skills and the ability to play off guys before they take over. You want to show potential free agents that your team is worth joining.


The only hope is to improve young players, thats a reason why its so important to get someone with potential for derozan.

Potential for what though? Someone who has the potential to be maybe as good as DeRozan?


I see that u prefer to have another 80% to make a playoffs with 0% to reach finals than skipping playoffs now and significantly increase chances to reach finals in future.

I don't think anything the Spurs are going to get in a trade has much of any chance to improve the Spurs' future, much less "significantly". In three years, Levert may not even be on the team. If he is, then Murray or White may not be. If they are, then Walker may not be. If those three guys are as good as Levert, then there was no point in getting Caris for the future. If they aren't, then they should have moved one or more for a win-now trade rather than just stocking up on redundant prospects.


I prefer this second option bc we have a great coaches and im pissed off that they cannot get(not via trade nor draft) a highly potential guy to make him a beast.

They already have multiple high-potential guys now. They also have vets who can get the team to the playoffs. Why not let them develop those guys? Why not worry about getting a guy like Porter instead who'd add something this team needs rather than a guy who might help the team eventually?

[GreekSpursfan]

Beal is 4 years younger than DDR, and significantly better than he is and all the Spurs would need to give up is Forbes and a 1st? Spurs would probably have to offer up White and multiple firsts instead just for a conversation to occur.

What has Beal done in his career that makes him SIGNIFICANTLY better than DDR. Up until now one would argue that Beal has underachieved and just produces empty stats on losing efforts. I believe under Pop he can of course be better but right i would argue that DDR is ahead of him. DDR's playmaking ability is waay better than BB. Who does BB make better around him? Only age works in his favor right now. Lets say we had a different coach, i'm not so sure BB makes this team SIGNIFICANTLY better in the loaded West.

[sasaint]

He doesn't play winning basketball
He needs to go.

Some folks just forget during the off-season. Wait until he selfishly or foolishly botches another final possession to lose a game.

[spurspl]

What do you mean "for another year"? They literally haven't said "goodbye playoffs" in two decades Acting like "second-round at most" isn't worth having is just defensible to me. You want the young Spurs to grow up in a winning environment. You want them to get role-player skills and the ability to play off guys before they take over. You want to show potential free agents that your team is worth joining.



Potential for what though? Someone who has the potential to be maybe as good as DeRozan?



I don't think anything the Spurs are going to get in a trade has much of any chance to improve the Spurs' future, much less "significantly". In three years, Levert may not even be on the team. If he is, then Murray or White may not be. If they are, then Walker may not be. If those three guys are as good as Levert, then there was no point in getting Caris for the future If they aren't, then they should have moved one or more for a win-now trade rather than just stocking up on redundant prospects.



They already have multiple high-potential guys now. They also have vets who can get the team to the playoffs. Why not let them develop those guys? Why not worry about getting a guy like Porter instead who'd add something this team needs rather than a guy who might help the team eventually?

Bc we had a top drafted players in Robinson and Duncan. To win u must have at least one guy like that and then u can surround him by role players. Sorry but i dont see any of our guys getting to this level. So we need to take as many as we can very promising guys and do whether to improve them and maybe have not one superstar but three stars.
There is always a reason to take him for the future bc u can always trade him if he be worse than others.
Porter is trash and maybe our defensive and 3pt would be a lil bit better for a season or two but thats all. He wouldnt teach anything young guys. And porter is worse now than caris + caris can be much better than he is now
And murray/white/loonie/levert(for example)- thats not too many guys for a three positions(pg/sg/sf)

[gambit1990]

siakam should be the spurs #1 target.

spurs should be willing to give up at least ddr, murray, poeltl, and a pick for siakam and gasol. $ works out.

white / patty, forbes
carroll / lonnie, beli
siakam / gay, johnson
la / trey, luka
gasol / metu

and then make anyone off the bench available / consolidate the bench for better role players.

it used to be la or gasol... why not both? poeltl will never come close to being as good as gasol. gasol is one of the best passing big man in the league and can shoot the 3.

worst case scenario: that roster beats the lakers in the POs. roster would be the 3rd best team in the west at least.

[TD 21]

Of course there's a chance to win a title. I know you have to wait until the Spurs are actually holding the trophy to believe they have any chance of getting it, but they have the upside and talent to win, especially considering that Kawhi, George and Davis are way less durable than their age would suggest.

:lmao Stick to salary cap analysis because analyzing basketball is not your thing.

This team doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the championship, not even in the if they caught some massive breaks way the '15-'17 iterations did.

In a league where a top 5 player is almost always required and a top 10 one always is, this team's best player is a top 20 one and he's 34 and could easily lose that designation at any time. Beyond all of their obvious structural issues that I won't even bother delving into, for you to say they have the upside and talent, is asinine and delusional.

[spurspl]

siakam should be the spurs #1 target.

spurs should be willing to give up at least ddr, murray, poeltl, and a pick for siakam and gasol. $ works out.

white / patty, forbes
carroll / lonnie, beli
siakam / gay, johnson
la / trey, luka
gasol / metu

and then make anyone off the bench available / consolidate the bench for better role players.

it used to be la or gasol... why not both? poeltl will never come close to being as good as gasol. gasol is one of the best passing big man in the league and can shoot the 3.

worst case scenario: that roster beats the lakers in the POs. roster would be the 3rd best team in the west at least.

i love the idea of getting siakam and gasol but raptors would be dump as hell by doing this trade

[sasaint]

i love the idea of getting siakam and gasol but raptors would be dump as hell by doing this trade

Nah. Depends on the value they place on Murray. But not gonna happen.

[exstatic]

I think a pick and Forbes will do it, with Derozan of course.

And that is why you are not an NBA GM.

[Chinook]

:lmao Stick to salary cap analysis because analyzing basketball is not your thing.

Stick to parroting TGY, I guess?

[Chinook]

Bc we had a top drafted players in Robinson and Duncan. To win u must have at least one guy like that and then u can surround him by role players. Sorry but i dont see any of our guys getting to this level. So we need to take as many as we can very promising guys and do whether to improve them and maybe have not one superstar but three stars.
There is always a reason to take him for the future bc u can always trade him if he be worse than others.
Porter is trash and maybe our defensive and 3pt would be a lil bit better for a season or two but thats all. He wouldnt teach anything young guys. And porter is worse now than caris + caris can be much better than he is now
And murray/white/loonie/levert(for example)- thats not too many guys for a three positions(pg/sg/sf)

The reason why the Spurs were contenders for so long is because they managed to draft five HoFers. The reason why they keep making the playoffs even though they don't have any of those players is because they develop good players and are well coached.

Why does it not make sense to have DeRozan "teach things to the young guys"? Why are you concerned with guys who aren't contracted for more than two seasons like Levert? Why not just extend DeRozan or Porter? Why not just draft a guy with the apparently high picks the Spurs will get if they don't trade DeRozan in time?

[Spurtacular]

In b4 100.

[tonight...you]

In b4 100.
I like how you plan ahead.
You must invest...

[sasaint]

The reason why the Spurs were contenders for so long is because they managed to draft five HoFers. The reason why they keep making the playoffs even though they don't have any of those players is because they develop good players and are well coached.

Why does it not make sense to have DeRozan "teach things to the young guys"? Why are you concerned with guys who aren't contracted for more than two seasons like Levert? Why not just extend DeRozan or Porter? Why not just draft a guy with the apparently high picks the Spurs will get if they don't trade DeRozan in time?

Getting Porter moves the needle. Getting rid of Dumbmar also moves the needle. I don’t think I want our young guys learning from him. Along with BB moves he also teaches poor IQ and tantrums. He is very un-Spursy.

[spurspl]

The reason why the Spurs were contenders for so long is because they managed to draft five HoFers. The reason why they keep making the playoffs even though they don't have any of those players is because they develop good players and are well coached.

Why does it not make sense to have DeRozan "teach things to the young guys"? Why are you concerned with guys who aren't contracted for more than two seasons like Levert? Why not just extend DeRozan or Porter? Why not just draft a guy with the apparently high picks the Spurs will get if they don't trade DeRozan in time?

i totally agree that spurs are well coached and can develop players but by having a high picks and/or adding another young potential guy u increase your chances to have another HoF. Firstly, DeRozan should take a lesson from bellineli and learn how to shoot 3pt or from duncan a lesson called “how not to disappear in playoffs”

[KobesAchilles]

The good news is that it is essentially his contract year so he should be in shape and sharp to start the year off. I like the idea of keeping DeRozan for this year. We aren’t sure what Walker can do on the big stage. We aren’t sure how rusty Murray will look. And we aren’t sure if White can carry us offensively the way deRozan can if Walker and Murray don’t pan out in the early stages of the year. Keep in mind that LMA starts the year off slowly too and having DeRozan as an insurance policy would be nice. If we do trade DeRozan though, it definitely won’t be before the season starts. Most likely will be made during the season. I’m guessing the Spurs will be pretty active in the trade market this year in either buying or selling.

[TD 21]

Stick to parroting TGY, I guess?

Yeah, because he's the only person who's ever used :lmao and I'm known for trolling. :rolleyes

[Chinook]

Getting Porter moves the needle. Getting rid of Dumbmar also moves the needle. I don’t think I want our young guys learning from him. Along with BB moves he also teaches poor IQ and tantrums. He is very un-Spursy.

DeRozan has a very good basketball IQ, at least on offense. There's no way he could be as good of a scorer as he is without it. His tantrums are the principle reason why I think PATFO might want to move him. I think they were prepared for his lack of shooting, inadequate defense and poor playoff track record. But the meltdowns might have caught them off guard. In any event, yeah, I want the young guards to learn from DeRozan, Gay and Beli. All three are among the best in the league at certain techniques. The young guys should be able to take a lot of those to supplement the things they already do well.