Derozan on the trading block??

[Chinook]

Yeah, because he's the only person who's ever used :lmao and I'm known for trolling. :rolleyes

That exact line is pretty much what he's been saying forever. But whatever.

[Chinook]

i totally agree that spurs are well coached and can develop players but by having a high picks and/or adding another young potential guy u increase your chances to have another HoF. Firstly, DeRozan should take a lesson from bellineli and learn how to shoot 3pt or from duncan a lesson called “how not to disappear in playoffs”

That's all well and good. But the fastest way to get SA a high pick is for them to let DeRozan walk and miss the playoffs. I mean, if someone is offering a top-10 pick for DeRozan, it's a different matter. I was willing to deal him for that during the draft. They would have had time to recover then. Now they don't really have any flexibility. So the fastest way they're going to get that pick is by falling off. So them losing DeRozan and then going into the lottery wouldn't be a bad end at all.

[KobesAchilles]

Getting Porter moves the needle. Getting rid of Dumbmar also moves the needle. I don’t think I want our young guys learning from him. Along with BB moves he also teaches poor IQ and tantrums. He is very un-Spursy.

Porter is moving the needle in the wrong direction. The dude plays ZERO defense. Idk where this idea that he plays defense comes from. He SHOULD be able to defend but puts in zero effort in that end and already got his big contract so his motivation to improve is gone as well. Also he can’t create his own shot at all. He doesn’t get to the line at all (less than twice per game as the number 2 option) and he can’t create for others. DeRozan played better defense (still shitty but better), rebounded better and assisted 3 Xs better than Porter.

The only thing going for Porter was he finished the year strong. But the question then becomes was it a fluke or not? Keep in mind that DDR started off the first 15 games averaging 28 and 8 a game which is the same sample size Porter had in Chicago.

[gambit1990]

DeRozan has a very good basketball IQ, at least on offense.
very good? :td

[spurspl]

That's all well and good. But the fastest way to get SA a high pick is for them to let DeRozan walk and miss the playoffs. I mean, if someone is offering a top-10 pick for DeRozan, it's a different matter. I was willing to deal him for that during the draft. They would have had time to recover then. Now they don't really have any flexibility. So the fastest way they're going to get that pick is by falling off. So them losing DeRozan and then going into the lottery wouldn't be a bad end at all.

or.... maybe trade derozan for young piece, sacrifice this playoffs and get high pick in 2020? Isnt it better than having derozan one more year, make a playoffs than let him go, miss PO 2021 and get a high pick in 2021?

[Chinook]

or.... maybe trade derozan for young piece, sacrifice this playoffs and get high pick in 2020? Isnt it better than having derozan one more year, make a playoffs than let him go, miss PO 2021 and get a high pick in 2021?

No. First, they might make the playoffs in 2021 as well if the guys develop or if the Spurs replace DeMar in free agency. Second, it makes more sense to try to win this year when you know you have two All-Stars than put in hopes that the mid-round pick you get back is an All-Star. In either event, the franchise player will come from getting lucky in the draft, but one involves the team potentially remaining a playoff team for a while yet, and the other involves hoping to miss the playoffs ASAP.

[sasaint]

DeRozan has a very good basketball IQ, at least on offense. There's no way he could be as good of a scorer as he is without it. His tantrums are the principle reason why I think PATFO might want to move him. I think they were prepared for his lack of shooting, inadequate defense and poor playoff track record. But the meltdowns might have caught them off guard. In any event, yeah, I want the young guards to learn from DeRozan, Gay and Beli. All three are among the best in the league at certain techniques. The young guys should be able to take a lot of those to supplement the things they already do well.

Scoring is mostly a function of skill not BB IQ. He is pretty selfish/foolish in crunch time. To me the negative outweighs the positive -
especially when you factor in his on/off. I hope we move him soon.

[tbdog]

The attraction to Porter is that both he and DD will likely opt out next summer, but Porter does the things we need: playing D and shooting the 3 ball. If you’re looking for a one year player to roll off next summer, he’s a much better fit than DD. You just need a stopgap for a year while KJ and Luka play in Austin.

Murray and White probably won't ever be a better scorer than DD. And if they do, it won't happen this early in their career. You trade DD for Porter for example, we strengthen one area and weaken another. We would be asking the Buford to find a trade for a scoring guard. We will hear non stop Forbes and Mills for Lou Williams espn trade machine links.

[tbdog]

Scoring is mostly a function of skill not BB IQ. He is pretty selfish/foolish in crunch time. To me the negative outweighs the positive -
especially when you factor in his on/off. I hope we move him soon.

His playmaking ability demonstrates to me he has good BB IQ. Not the best. But well above average. It seems here we like to remember DD's mistakes, but forget his successes.

[gambit1990]

Scoring is mostly a function of skill not BB IQ. He is pretty selfish/foolish in crunch time. To me the negative outweighs the positive -
especially when you factor in his on/off. I hope we move him soon.
:tu

[JADG79]

The only way Spurs trade a star for picks will be when Pop retires.
I don't like DD and I was hope Spurs traded KL to Clippers and put two LA teams in competition but they prefer a Star than young players because Pop and LaMarcus.

Right now only Chicago with Otto or the Magic have assets to the trade.

[sasaint]

His playmaking ability demonstrates to me he has good BB IQ. Not the best. But well above average. It seems here we like to remember DD's mistakes, but forget his successes.

No, I remember all those game-winners he hit for us.

Dumbmar makes very poor decisions and plays in crunch time. The Spurs are better with him off the court than with him on it.

[sasaint]

Porter is moving the needle in the wrong direction. The dude plays ZERO defense. Idk where this idea that he plays defense comes from. He SHOULD be able to defend but puts in zero effort in that end and already got his big contract so his motivation to improve is gone as well. Also he can’t create his own shot at all. He doesn’t get to the line at all (less than twice per game as the number 2 option) and he can’t create for others. DeRozan played better defense (still shitty but better), rebounded better and assisted 3 Xs better than Porter.

The only thing going for Porter was he finished the year strong. But the question then becomes was it a fluke or not? Keep in mind that DDR started off the first 15 games averaging 28 and 8 a game which is the same sample size Porter had in Chicago.

He was injured and traded to a new (loser) team last season. His career on/off numbers are stellar. We don’t want him to create his own shot; we have plenty of guys to do that - too many, in fact; hence the need to move Dumbmar. We need a legit 3-point threat, which is what Porter is. With the Spurs, he would flourish.

[KobesAchilles]

He was injured and traded to a new (loser) team last season. His career on/off numbers are stellar. We don’t want him to create his own shot; we have plenty of guys to do that - too many, in fact; hence the need to move Dumbmar. We need a legit 3-point threat, which is what Porter is. With the Spurs, he would flourish.

I would love to hear all these amazing people we have at creating our own shot. Also name all the great facilitators on our team as well since DeRozan is our top assist guy as well. You also didn’t explain Porters lack of defense. The dude doesn’t defend.

[gambit1990]

Also name all the great facilitators on our team as well since DeRozan is our top assist guy as well.
demar really isn't great facilitator... decent but just because you lead the spurs in assists doesn't make you a great facilitator, it just makes you a cog in the system.

the reason tony isn't in consideration for best pg of his generation despite his rings is because he didn't make his teammates better. same with demar.

[sasaint]

White and Forbes can get their own. Murray is certainly no spot-up shooter. Gay is excellent at getting his own. I admit Dumbmar is currently the best facilitator, but I expect White with his superior IQ and floor vision to surpass Dumbmar. Porter is a career positive defender, and playing with Pop and the Spurs, I expect him to excel.

The bottom line for me is that throughout his career his teams are far better when he is on the floor, while Dumbmar’s are worse. Porter plays a position of need and provides a desperately needed skill. By opening up the floor he would make everybody more effective.

[tbdog]

We don't have anyone other than Gay that can go out and get his own shop. Hopefully White can do that this up coming season and Walker soon after. And I think DD makes the Allstar team this season over LMA.

[gambit1990]

demar is nowhere near worth his contract. he got it due to the hype that came with his athletic ability.

he will never be option #1 or #2. he's very 6th man. i wouldn't even want him in the starting lineup even the spurs had two other stars.

he isn't as great as he thinks he is and needs to know his limits. he will never be good defensively. at least work on your 3 dude...

[tbdog]

demar is nowhere near worth his contract. he got it due to the hype that came with his athletic ability.

he will never be option #1 or #2. he's very 6th man. i wouldn't even want him in the starting lineup even the spurs had two other stars.

he isn't as great as he thinks he is and needs to know his limits. he will never be good defensively. at least work on your 3 dude...

He has been a number 1 and 2 option throughout most of his career. And for anyone who knocks his contract then wants Porter, is really hypocritical.

[gambit1990]

He has been a number 1 and 2 option throughout most of his career.
and has nothing to show for it. my point was he won't be successful at it.

[mo7888]

I can't believe we are arguing about trading DDR with the 'intent' of missing the playoffs. First of all, we won't be poor enough by doing that to get a top 5 pick. The current team without him might even make the playoffs and if they do miss it wouldn't be by much. The difference between a late lottery pick and a pick in the late teens isn't worth moving him for. I get the idea of moving him for something that fits better. That concept makes sense (even if some if the player suggestions here are underwhelming to me at least it's in the spirit of trying to win).

[KobesAchilles]

White and Forbes can get their own. Murray is certainly no spot-up shooter. Gay is excellent at getting his own. I admit Dumbmar is currently the best facilitator, but I expect White with his superior IQ and floor vision to surpass Dumbmar. Porter is a career positive defender, and playing with Pop and the Spurs, I expect him to excel.

The bottom line for me is that throughout his career his teams are far better when he is on the floor, while Dumbmar’s are worse. Porter plays a position of need and provides a desperately needed skill. By opening up the floor he would make everybody more effective.

im just not on the Otto Porter train. The dude plays stupid non winning basketball. He couldn’t even get his team to the playoffs in the EAST where literally 38 wins gets you the 8th seed. So Porters shitty ass 10th seed team being better when he’s on the court means nothing to me. His team sucked and he didn’t help it win. And he was being paid as if he SHOULD be able to lead a team.

White can get his own shot but can he do it consistently night in and night out? Forbes is laughable that you even brought him up. I guess you can bring up Patty too :lol

[sasaint]

im just not on the Otto Porter train. The dude plays stupid non winning basketball. He couldn’t even get his team to the playoffs in the EAST where literally 38 wins gets you the 8th seed. So Porters shitty ass 10th seed team being better when he’s on the court means nothing to me. His team sucked and he didn’t help it win. And he was being paid as if he SHOULD be able to lead a team.

White can get his own shot but can he do it consistently night in and night out? Forbes is laughable that you even brought him up. I guess you can bring up Patty too :lol

Porter’s teams have been consistently much better when he is on the floor his entire career. You seem to have watched much more of him than I. I don’t see him play nearly as dumb as Dumbmar. However, by the very nature of their different games, the impact of Dumbmar’s dumb plays is far more impactful.

Forbes is a good player who was probably our 4th best player in the playoffs. He can get his own, and he will get better.

[tbdog]

Forbes was a surprised, but a good defender would take him out of the game. DD gets marked by the best perimeter defender on the opposing team. Not Forbes. Forbes can beat players because they ran out to challenge his shot. He cannot dribble in a crowd, cannot draw contact, cannot pass in a crowd. Cannot and will not get shots over bigger defenders. He is a ace three point threat that can put the ball on the ground and pull up. Thats it. It's hard to take anyone seriously when you refer to a DD as Dumbmar. DD is a solid player and borderline allstar in the west. And I think DD goes back in the Allstar game this coming season. He turned Toronto around into a winning team again since Bosh left.. Porter will need to put some work in to be considered an allstar this coming season.

[KobesAchilles]

Porter’s teams have been consistently much better when he is on the floor his entire career. You seem to have watched much more of him than I. I don’t see him play nearly as dumb as Dumbmar. However, by the very nature of their different games, the impact of Dumbmar’s dumb plays is far more impactful.

Forbes is a good player who was probably our 4th best player in the playoffs. He can get his own, and he will get better.

I really liked Oubre tbh. It’s who I was hoping the Spurs would trade for. Washington is beyond stupid to have given him up for Ariza :lol what a shitrun organization. 43 million for John Wall.

the thing about Porter is that he is good but only against shitty competition. And since the league is mostly made up of shitty teams, his stats look good. But he doesn’t step up when the lights are bright and he won’t up his play for the big games/moments/ opponents. He is like a shittier version of playoff Demar except nobody notices bc they have Wall and Beal. Against the good teams and elite players the man shrivels up. In theory he sounds great against Kawhi and Lebron and George and even Harden. In reality he has no dog and will disappear.

And Forbes kinda sucks at getting his own shot. He’s a much better catch and shoot player. Also I’m pretty sure this is as good as he gets. Not much more we can realistically expect him to improve on. He can’t get taller, faster, or more athletic. He has peaked.

[tbdog]

and has nothing to show for it. my point was he won't be successful at it.

Derozen's NBA achievements



All-NBA Second Team: 2018
All-NBA Third Team: 2017
NBA All-Star: x4
NBA All-Star Rising Star: 2011
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Month: 3x
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week: 10x


Otto Porter NBA Achievements

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[KobesAchilles]

Also Porters playoff stats his last 2 times he made it.
3 ppg less in the playoffs than the regular season.
2 free throw attempts per game
less than 2 assists per game
And averaged ONE three point make per game.
Dont buy the hype guys.

[sasaint]

I really liked Oubre tbh. It’s who I was hoping the Spurs would trade for. Washington is beyond stupid to have given him up for Ariza :lol what a shitrun organization. 43 million for John Wall.

the thing about Porter is that he is good but only against shitty competition. And since the league is mostly made up of shitty teams, his stats look good. But he doesn’t step up when the lights are bright and he won’t up his play for the big games/moments/ opponents. He is like a shittier version of playoff Demar except nobody notices bc they have Wall and Beal. Against the good teams and elite players the man shrivels up. In theory he sounds great against Kawhi and Lebron and George and even Harden. In reality he has no dog and will disappear.

And Forbes kinda sucks at getting his own shot. He’s a much better catch and shoot player. Also I’m pretty sure this is as good as he gets. Not much more we can realistically expect him to improve on. He can’t get taller, faster, or more athletic. He has peaked.

Forbes upped his game in the playoffs. If he plays like that consistently, that’s nice improvement in my book. I don’t really buy the “peak” argument most of the time. Good players who have careers more than a few years long benefit from their experience. They learn, improve judgment and recognition and become more confident/consistent. I think Forbes can do that.

[KobesAchilles]

and has nothing to show for it. my point was he won't be successful at it.
Meh he has several playoff series wins and even made an ECF. Before nephew came along that was literally the best that franchise had ever done.
I agree tho that I don’t want him on the Spurs however I don’t know who we could realistically trade him for to make us better. We do need some veterans on the team and he’s a great teammate by all accounts.

[Kurgan]

Derozen's NBA achievements



All-NBA Second Team: 2018
All-NBA Third Team: 2017
NBA All-Star: x4
NBA All-Star Rising Star: 2011
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Month: 3x
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week: 10x


Otto Porter NBA Achievements

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Playing in a talent deprived Eastern Conference. No coincidence that all these accolades dried up in his first season in the West last year. No all-star consideration, no all-nba. Which is why I find it funny that we have some posters in this thread talking about how we have a shot at the title because we have two all-stars. Technically, only one all-star and LMA just barely made it in. Derozan wasn't even close to consideration. We had no ALL-NBA players either. When's the last time a team won a title without a single All-NBA player on the roster?

[sasaint]

Forbes was a surprised, but a good defender would take him out of the game. DD gets marked by the best perimeter defender on the opposing team. Not Forbes. Forbes can beat players because they ran out to challenge his shot. He cannot dribble in a crowd, cannot draw contact, cannot pass in a crowd. Cannot and will not get shots over bigger defenders. He is a ace three point threat that can put the ball on the ground and pull up. Thats it. It's hard to take anyone seriously when you refer to a DD as Dumbmar. DD is a solid player and borderline allstar in the west. And I think DD goes back in the Allstar game this coming season. He turned Toronto around into a winning team again since Bosh left.. Porter will need to put some work in to be considered an allstar this coming season.


Dumbmar’s advances stats are poor, and he fails my eye test. Plenty of those types have made all-star games, though, while Manu and Tony made very few. You and I just have different ideas about what we want for Spurs players.

[Fusternino]

DDR was actually a lot better here than I expected. Shot over 50 % in the playoffs, was our best perimeter defender outside of White, and his rebounding and assists were career highs, I think?

[Degoat]

There is absolutely no way in hell the spurs trade Demar for porter jr without the bulls throwing in several more assets along with him. Spurs traded Kawhi for this guy, I think they’re prepared to sink or swim with Demar as one of their best players

[KobesAchilles]

Forbes upped his game in the playoffs. If he plays like that consistently, that’s nice improvement in my book. I don’t really buy the “peak” argument most of the time. Good players who have careers more than a few years long benefit from their experience. They learn, improve judgment and recognition and become more confident/consistent. I think Forbes can do that.

I was pleasantly wrong about Forbes last season. He played much better than I ever expected him to and makes Mills beyond expendable. But he’s too small and too slow to really improve dramatically. All he can really do offensively is ball fake when a guy is closing out on him and shoot a floater. He can’t get by anybody one on one and he can’t take it to the hole consistently and never really will be able to.

where he can improve though is stop jumping when passing the ball!!! Literally taught in middle school not to do that and he always does that. The ball goes slower bc you can’t put your full strength into it and the angle is easier to steal bc defenders know that you can’t land with it so it’s akin to having a big neon sign saying “hey I’m going to pass the ball.”

[sasaint]

There is absolutely no way in hell the spurs trade Demar for porter jr without the bulls throwing in several more assets along with him. Spurs traded Kawhi for this guy, I think they’re prepared to sink or swim with Demar as one of their best players

I am afraid you are right. I was hoping his un-Spurs-like tantrums would inspire Pop to trade him, but now I doubt it.

[sasaint]

I was pleasantly wrong about Forbes last season. He played much better than I ever expected him to and makes Mills beyond expendable. But he’s too small and too slow to really improve dramatically. All he can really do offensively is ball fake when a guy is closing out on him and shoot a floater. He can’t get by anybody one on one and he can’t take it to the hole consistently and never really will be able to.

where he can improve though is stop jumping when passing the ball!!! Literally taught in middle school not to do that and he always does that. The ball goes slower bc you can’t put your full strength into it and the angle is easier to steal bc defenders know that you can’t land with it so it’s akin to having a big neon sign saying “hey I’m going to pass the ball.”

He has to improve on D. He must eliminate his dumb fouls, which I think he can. My hope is that somehow Pop realizes he makes Mills more than expendable.

[KobesAchilles]

He has to improve on D. He must eliminate his dumb fouls, which I think he can. My hope is that somehow Pop realizes he makes Mills more than expendable.

Its why I’m so pissed at Marcus Morris tbh. It would’ve forced Pop to bench Mills. Carrol, Gay, Morris all at small ball 4 or just straight up SF. LMA and Poetl the bigs. Dejounte and White the point guards with DDR and Lonnie/Forbes the back up 2 and Marco getting traded bc he wants playing time. It was the dream scenario where there’s no room for Mills.

Now I expect to see the same shitty Marco and Mills pairing :cry

[sasaint]

Its why I’m so pissed at Marcus Morris tbh. It would’ve forced Pop to bench Mills. Carrol, Gay, Morris all at small ball 4 or just straight up SF. LMA and Poetl the bigs. Dejounte and White the point guards with DDR and Lonnie/Forbes the back up 2 and Marco getting traded bc he wants playing time. It was the dream scenario where there’s no room for Mills.

Now I expect to see the same shitty Marco and Mills pairing :cry

I think Marcus made us contenders. That deal hurt. But I hadn’t thought it had the ripple effect down to Patty. Maybe so. But I don’t think Pop will ever bench Patty. I think Pop would look to trade him to a non-shitty team where he could get minutes. I just want his salary freed up.

[KDKSpurs24]

Playing in a talent deprived Eastern Conference. No coincidence that all these accolades dried up in his first season in the West last year. No all-star consideration, no all-nba. Which is why I find it funny that we have some posters in this thread talking about how we have a shot at the title because we have two all-stars. Technically, only one all-star and LMA just barely made it in. Derozan wasn't even close to consideration. We had no ALL-NBA players either. When's the last time a team won a title without a single All-NBA player on the roster?
Wasn’t even close? Now you’re just pouring it on to make your point. This statement is far from true. If DeRozan didn’t have that bad month of January he would have been able to make the all star team.

[hombre]

Yeah, DeMar kept this team from being complete dog shit.

Spurs are gonna ball this year.

[itzsoweezee]

Dumbmar’s advances stats are poor, and he fails my eye test. Plenty of those types have made all-star games, though, while Manu and Tony made very few. You and I just have different ideas about what we want for Spurs players.

DeRozan is exactly the type of player Spurs fans used to clown (empty stats, no impact). Now they're ride or die with this clown. You hate to see it

[gambit1990]

Derozen's NBA achievements



All-NBA Second Team: 2018
All-NBA Third Team: 2017
NBA All-Star: x4
NBA All-Star Rising Star: 2011
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Month: 3x
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week: 10x


Otto Porter NBA Achievements

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i've never, ever posted about otto porter before so your post has nothing to do with me :lol

with that being said... the demar achievements you listed really aren't anything special tbh. the one that sticks out the most is 4 time all star... from a weak ass eastern conference nonetheless.

[jgome21]

i've never, ever posted about otto porter before so your post has nothing to do with me :lol

with that being said... the demar achievements you listed really aren't anything special tbh. the one that sticks out the most is 4 time all star... from a weak ass eastern conference nonetheless.

Toronto Raptors Fan Boy needs to GTFO.
F Trump and F the GOP...Cool tag line. You still in HS right...

[Kurgan]

DeRozan is exactly the type of player Spurs fans used to clown (empty stats, no impact). Now they're ride or die with this clown. You hate to see it

Yup, it's embarrassing to see how low this fanbase has sunk. Absolute hypocrisy to criticize players like Kobe and Westbrook all those years but jump through hoops to defend a similar cancer in Derozan. Shot 1-10 in a crucial game 7 taking stupid ass Kobe shots against a group of playoff virgins. Worst On-Off in the entire playoffs.

"But he's a good player guys! The box score numbers told me so."

[cd021]

he's already stunting white's growth by being ball dominant and not being able to shoot. and if we had to choose between moving DDR to accommodate Murray or vice versa, i'd choose murray as the one to keep

Beal just posted 25, 5, 5 and 1.5 spg last season while also having a career 49/38/80 shooting splits.

If your arguing that DDR is better simply because he's played on better teams, that's silly. Beal is a better player already and is 4 years younger. His shooting already makes him a better fit on teams than DDR is.

If Beal were swapped for DDR in a hypothetical trade Spurs would be significantly better with him than DeRozan.

[Kurgan]

Dumbmar’s advances stats are poor, and he fails my eye test. Plenty of those types have made all-star games, though, while Manu and Tony made very few. You and I just have different ideas about what we want for Spurs players.

Same here. Most unwatchable Spur team since the lottery squad in 1997. IIRC, Kori expressed similar sentiments, as did many other regulars on ST. It's no coincidence that a lot of that ugly ball coincides with Derozan's arrival to the team. I'm not surprised that PATFO are hesitant about an extension.

[JuneJive]

If the right offer comes along, they will deal him.

But it won't.

[r0drig0lac]

White and Forbes can get their own. Murray is certainly no spot-up shooter. Gay is excellent at getting his own. I admit Dumbmar is currently the best facilitator, but I expect White with his superior IQ and floor vision to surpass Dumbmar. Porter is a career positive defender, and playing with Pop and the Spurs, I expect him to excel.

The bottom line for me is that throughout his career his teams are far better when he is on the floor, while Dumbmar’s are worse. Porter plays a position of need and provides a desperately needed skill. By opening up the floor he would make everybody more effective.

than White? no way

[tbdog]

Playing in a talent deprived Eastern Conference. No coincidence that all these accolades dried up in his first season in the West last year. No all-star consideration, no all-nba. Which is why I find it funny that we have some posters in this thread talking about how we have a shot at the title because we have two all-stars. Technically, only one all-star and LMA just barely made it in. Derozan wasn't even close to consideration. We had no ALL-NBA players either. When's the last time a team won a title without a single All-NBA player on the roster?

And the answer is not Porter.

[tbdog]

I enjoyed watching DD. I like his offensive game. Once I stopped comparing him to Leonard, it was easy to just enjoy his game. Mills and Beli was hard to watch on D though.

[spurspl]

what about celtics? hayward and brown for dd, mills, one of (murray/white/loonie/poeltl+pick(s)) and metu. It works $.
i know it would the hardest deal to make but sounds pretty good. Hayward is overpaid after his terrible injury but still can be a decent player. Brown probably is not so happy in celtics. We get them both and still stay competetive. Celtics gets dd who is cheaper and better than hayward and another young guy who is worse than brown. Plus we get rod off millss contract. I think that the biggest obstacle is that both teams are stucked with guards and lack of centers but idk.

[FireMicoHalili]

Thirty-three pages of nothing. Trade partners who don’t have anything palatable to offer. Time to move on and accept the 7th/8th seed.

[Genovaswitness]

Thirty-three pages of nothing. Trade partners who don’t have anything palatable to offer. Time to move on and accept the 7th/8th seed.

this tbh..

[Duncan87]

This. Bout i say 4 or 5th seed Your people are sleeping on this young Spurs

[spurspl]

This. Bout i say 4 or 5th seed Your people are sleeping on this young Spurs
wake up, 4th seed on this strong and balanced west??? There is no way unless one guy in each duos in at least 3 teams got injured.

[BackHome]

Which is very possible looking at Flakers and the Golden Showers all are due to have injuries. The only team in the West that scares me is Utah as for some reason in my mind every time I watch them we end up loosing. That leaves Denver as we still don’t have anyone who can guard Millsap who DESTROYED both Bertans and Gay in the series.

[spurspl]

Which is very possible looking at Flakers and the Golden Showers all are due to have injuries. The only team in the West that scares me is Utah as for some reason in my mind every time I watch them we end up loosing. That leaves Denver as we still don’t have anyone who can guard Millsap who DESTROYED both Bertans and Gay in the series.

la, lac, gsw, portland, utah, houston, denver. These teams, if healthy, are much or less better the spurs

[Chinook]

:lol Portland's as likely to miss as they are to be a clearly better team. They're in a shit division besides Denver, but Nurkic's injury along with the guys they lost is gonna hurt them. Baze and Whiteside are talented, but they are career losers.

[Chillen]

Thirty-three pages of nothing. Trade partners who don’t have anything palatable to offer. Time to move on and accept the 7th/8th seed.

I am expecting Derozan to be traded for Santa Claus any moment. Kind of sums up this thread I agree. Spurs should probably try and move DeMar by the NBA trade deadline if the offers are good going towards the all-star break. See how this team comes together and if it looks good no trading DeMar.

[DJR210]

Dude just posted some more emo depressed cryptic shit on his insta story.. he last pulled this shit the night we shipped the snake outta here..

"Lot of pain, don't expect
me to cry
Lot of fails, still
expect me to try"

Wonder what his deal is now..

[EricB]

Dude just posted some more emo depressed cryptic shit on his insta story.. he last pulled this shit the night we shipped the snake outta here..

"Lot of pain, don't expect
me to cry
Lot of fails, still
expect me to try"

Wonder what his deal is now..


Those are music lyrics you idiots. That’s all he posts on Instagram outside of pictures. You basement dwellers are complete morons.

[weeks]

and has nothing to show for it. my point was he won't be successful at it.

Oh I guess that's why you have a crush for Westbrook and Chris Paul, proven winners :fro

[vander]

Those are music lyrics you idiots. That’s all he posts on Instagram outside of pictures. You basement dwellers are complete morons.

oh, well if they're just music lyrics, then he must not mean anything by it.

btw it seems like over half of your posts are just attacking and insulting other posters, like you really hate spurs fans or something...

[look_at_g_shred]

Beal plz

[GreekSpursfan]

Since Beal seems like a pipe dream and I dont think Pistons will give up Drummond for DDR like some have suggested, give me picks and get it over with.

[DPG21920]

Beal plz

Beal does not seem to be on the block at all. They turned down a massive haul from the Clippers which means nothing SA can offer would even come close to that (look at what OKC got for PG after Wash said no to Beal).

Then I read yesterday that WASH is going to offer Beal his max extension as soon as he’s eligible and he’s said he wants to stay in WASH.

Something would need to drastically change now it appears for Beal to want out.

[acoelho1]

I don’t think people realize how good this team will be next year. A Murray and White backcourt will be dominate and Walker’s inclusion into the rotation will make us even more dynamic. DDR should be better as well in his 2nd year in the Spurs system. I’m very confident we will be contending next year and I’m pretty sure the Spurs feel the same way.

[JADG79]

I don’t think people realize how good this team will be next year. A Murray and White backcourt will be dominate and Walker’s inclusion into the rotation will make us even more dynamic. DDR should be better as well in his 2nd year in the Spurs system. I’m very confident we will be contending next year and I’m pretty sure the Spurs feel the same way.

Do you think our backcourt will dominate in the West? Maybe we can survive, the West is fully loaded in the backcourt.



GSW
Curry / DeAngelo


Denver
Murray / Harris


Portland
Lillard / McCollum


Hou
Harden / Westbrook


Utah
Conley / Mitchell


Clippers
Beverly / Lou


Pel
Lonzo / Holiday


OKC
CP3 / Shai


Phx
Rubio / Booker


Sac
Fox / Hield


Dal
Luka / anyone

[KDKSpurs24]

I don’t think people realize how good this team will be next year. A Murray and White backcourt will be dominate and Walker’s inclusion into the rotation will make us even more dynamic. DDR should be better as well in his 2nd year in the Spurs system. I’m very confident we will be contending next year and I’m pretty sure the Spurs feel the same way.
Taking Mills completely out of the rotation or at least making him the 11th man when we go deep is the key to the Spurs being really good, imo. Hell, it was the key last season..

[venitian navigator]

I would never trade for Beal. He's a very good player but he's not at the level of a complete game changer; his team didn't make the playoffs on the eastern conference despite some other guys playing at a more than decent level. Actually imho his value is excessive in this market...as from the proposal I've seen in this thread. Ther's no way I would trade anything more than DDR (that is a more complete offensive player except for his 3 point shooting) for him...

[YGWHI]

I don’t think people realize how good this team will be next year. A Murray and White backcourt will be dominate and Walker’s inclusion into the rotation will make us even more dynamic. DDR should be better as well in his 2nd year in the Spurs system. I’m very confident we will be contending next year and I’m pretty sure the Spurs feel the same way.

Having Murray will help a lot Derozan on the defensive end. Not sure if the Spurs are contenders next year but since the West is so open I can see them in the WCF easily.

[SpursDynasty85]

I agree Beal seems way overrated and on this board Derozan is way underrated. Derozan and Beal both been playing in the Eastern Conference and both have had decently talented teams except Derozan has outplayed Beal and lead his teams to way more wins and more playoff success. What has Beal done to show he is a winner? theoretically a better fit but if the young guys can be good 3 pt shooters (Walker, White, Murray) Derozan is way better than Beal for this team.

[YGWHI]

Derozan is way better than Beal for this team.
Since Beal is a better shooter, he's a better fit than Derozan. The Spurs don't have a guard who can really spread the floor in the SL right now.

[RiverwalkParade]

Sure they do...Bryn Forbes

[rjv]

Those are music lyrics you idiots. That’s all he posts on Instagram outside of pictures. You basement dwellers are complete morons.

i didn't even know they were actual music lyrics and i still knew they had to be actual music lyrics. i mean, it should be obvious.

[DAF86]

Those are music lyrics you idiots. That’s all he posts on Instagram outside of pictures. You basement dwellers are complete morons.

When a person posts the lyrics of a song on Instagram it is because they feel related.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

I agree Beal seems way overrated and on this board Derozan is way underrated. Derozan and Beal both been playing in the Eastern Conference and both have had decently talented teams except Derozan has outplayed Beal and lead his teams to way more wins and more playoff success. What has Beal done to show he is a winner? theoretically a better fit but if the young guys can be good 3 pt shooters (Walker, White, Murray) Derozan is way better than Beal for this team.

Pretty big deal that Beal is only 26 years old and has a little room for improvement.

[DJR210]

Those are music lyrics you idiots. That’s all he posts on Instagram outside of pictures. You basement dwellers are complete morons.

My apologies faggot, I don't listen to suicide playlists

[Mugen]

My apologies faggot, I don't listen to suicide playlists

:lol

[timtonymanu]

My apologies faggot, I don't listen to suicide playlists

He calls everyone basement dwellers but all he does with his life is spend it raiding the food in his kitchen.

[look_at_g_shred]

My apologies faggot, I don't listen to suicide playlists
lol

[spurraider21]

beal would just be upgrading the SG position which is already a position of strength, while doing nothing to address the 3/4. porter would

[acoelho1]

Do you think our backcourt will dominate in the West? Maybe we can survive, the West is fully loaded in the backcourt.



GSW
Curry / DeAngelo



Denver
Murray / Harris



Portland
Lillard / McCollum



Hou
Harden / Westbrook


Utah
Conley / Mitchell



Clippers
Beverly / Lou



Pel
Lonzo / Holiday



OKC
CP3 / Shai



Phx
Rubio / Booker



Sac
Fox / Hield


Dal

Luka / anyone





Out of this list, we will have the best defensive back court. Murray will make a big jump on offense next year and things will be much clearer in terms of the pecking order once we see how much he's improved. One thing to keep in mind is that Pop believes he will be a star, which he gave a similar proclamation early on in Leonard's career and the same folks on this forum were saying his offense would never be good enough and now he's probably the most complete offensive weapon in the league. Be patient, expect greatness.

[acoelho1]

Taking Mills completely out of the rotation or at least making him the 11th man when we go deep is the key to the Spurs being really good, imo. Hell, it was the key last season..

Expect Walker to supersede Mills before the year is up. Pop won't leave that kind of talent on the bench.

[Dex]

Expect Walker to supersede Mills before the year is up. Pop won't leave that kind of talent on the bench.

White or Forbes are the more likely candidates to supplant Patty in the rotation. Walker's individual offense looks good, but he is not a playmaker...he makes Patty look like John fucking Stockton in that regard.

Ideally, the guard rotation would be Murray/DeRozan followed by White/Walker...but I do expect Forbes to be a mainstay in the rotation after last year, and it's possible DeRozan (or even Walker) will be played at the 3 in smaller lineups. This opens up more time at the 1/2 for Mills.

Realistically, I think we have one more year before Pop gives up on Mills and puts him in the third-string role...unless all of the young guys really impress.

[Mugen]

Expect Walker to supersede Mills before the year is up. Pop won't leave that kind of talent on the bench.

:lol :rolleyes

[DJR210]

He calls everyone basement dwellers but all he does with his life is spend it raiding the food in his kitchen.

:lol never seen a single one of his posts before he attacked me w/ the full force of his depressed rage

:lol expecting all people to know 8 words posted randomly at 3:00 AM on Instagram is from a song

[acoelho1]

White or Forbes are the more likely candidates to supplant Patty in the rotation. Walker's individual offense looks good, but he is not a playmaker...he makes Patty look like John fucking Stockton in that regard.

Ideally, the guard rotation would be Murray/DeRozan followed by White/Walker...but I do expect Forbes to be a mainstay in the rotation after last year, and it's possible DeRozan (or even Walker) will be played at the 3 in smaller lineups. This opens up more time at the 1/2 for Mills.

Realistically, I think we have one more year before Pop gives up on Mills and puts him in the third-string role...unless all of the young guys really impress.

This doesn't make much sense in that Murray, White & DDR will all play heavy minutes. You can't really do that with DDR playing the 2 spot so I expect him to continue to be our starting 3. Also, Walker may not be a good playmaker but he should be a better defender than Mills. They also asked Walker to bulk up this summer so expect to see him at the 2 & 3 and possibly the 1. Then you have to find minutes for Forbes so Mills maybe the odd man out and that's not even including Marco.

[timtonymanu]

:lol never seen a single one of his posts before he attacked me w/ the full force of his depressed rage

:lol expecting all people to know 8 words posted randomly at 3:00 AM on Instagram is from a song

Dudes suppose to be “above” this place and married but maybe the wife catches him eating too much food and taking it away and he lashes out on strangers in this forum.

[DJR210]

Dudes suppose to be “above” this place and married but maybe the wife catches him eating too much food and taking it away and he lashes out on strangers in this forum.

:lol

[szkorhetz]

Getting Blake for DDR is a pipe dream, but I would love it for sure.
This post didn't age well.

[Ocotillo]

This post didn't age well.

Props for owning it.