Mass shooting in Dayton Ohio bar

[Winehole23]

Loyalty to the cacique is the only criterion of patriotism for these guys.

[spurraider21]

It's never bad timing for that, 21 as long it's Trump & not Clinton.
:sleep

[Spurs Homer]

Last time I saw this many white people this confused and misinformed


was when

MASH

was cancelled!


in brighter news;


OBama releases a poignant touching profound message

i hope someone posts it in its entirety

[ducks]

Dayton bar shooting should have never happened
He told people he had a hit list
Males and females were on it
One student mom called the police

[Spurs Homer]

Dayton bar shooting should have never happened
He told people he had a hit list
Males and females were on it
One student mom called the police


he was emulating the

rapey president

[clambake]

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You had to know this was coming.

of course she hates drag queens.

she see's one in the mirror everyday.

[Trill Clinton]

Got em

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[Monostradamus]

Last time I saw this many white people this confused and misinformed


was when

MASH

was cancelled!

Chris Rock called, he wants his joke back :lol

[Trill Clinton]

The trump defense team latest play is to compare innocent victims of domestic terrorism to Chicago gang members smh.

[Pavlov]

The trump defense team latest play is to compare innocent victims of domestic terrorism to Chicago gang members smh.TEH BLACKS DEFINITELY PLAY MOAR VIDEO GAMES

[Trill Clinton]

TEH BLACKS DEFINITELY PLAY MOAR VIDEO GAMES

Fortnite and Minecraft is a danger to society!

[Thread]

The trump defense team latest play is to compare innocent victims of domestic terrorism to Chicago gang members smh.

Dead is dead, TC.

[Spurminator]

I don't even mind that they're going after video games, some of the 4chan/Gamergate faggots need some comeuppance after putting this retard in office.

[Thread]

I don't even mind that they're going after video games, some of the 4chan/Gamergate faggots need some comeuppance after putting this retard in office.

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Spurminator]

It's weird that Thread keeps quoting me after I told him he's on ignore and I've responded to maybe 1 out of his last 100 posts to me. But I guess that's what you do when you're a lonely old piece of garbage with nothing else going on.

[Thread]

It's weird that Thread keeps quoting me after I told him he's on ignore and I've responded to maybe 1 out of his last 100 posts to me. But I guess that's what you do when you're a lonely old piece of garbage with nothing else going on.

You (ignore) me.

I ignore no one. It's my religion.

[Pavlov]

It's weird that Thread keeps quoting me after I told him he's on ignore and I've responded to maybe 1 out of his last 100 posts to me. But I guess that's what you do when you're a lonely old piece of garbage with nothing else going on.He loses his mind when he knows he's wrong and his position is indefensible. I'm sure you're not missing anything-- last I saw he was just pasting a bunch of catchphrases because he has nothing to say.

[Spurs Homer]

Chris Rock called, he wants his joke back :lol


Lol

got caught in a time warp!

[Thread]

Lol

got caught in a time warp!

Bend over. I'll warp your fuckin' time.

[Spurs Homer]

Bend over. I'll warp your fuckin' time.


Shocked that you also

have

rapey tendencies

just like the terrorist rapist in chief you worship

lol

[midnightpulp]

I was the one arguing against including shootings related to gang violence, robberies, etc.

Fair enough. In any event, I think the mass shootings in question (as defined by cold blooded attacks on soft-targets) shouldn't be politicized or racialized. Ultimately, the political motivations and race of the suspects is irrelevant. Boiled down, we have a major problem in this country where angry, disaffected, disillusioned people commit cold blooded mass murder. The solution isn't one dimensional, but better gun control is one facet of that solution, and the frustration comes from conservatives not wanting to play ball in figuring out a solution in that regard. Lord Trump was out there blaming fuckin' video games. The tactic on the right is to dig up ANYTHING but the easy access to firearms as a contributor to these shootings, from not enough prayer in schools to Fortnite. It's chickenshit, because they're deathly afraid of offending their NRA masters.

[Thread]

Last time I saw this many white people this confused and misinformed


was when

MASH

was cancelled!


in brighter news;


OBama releases a poignant touching profound message

i hope someone posts it in its entirety

Yeah, like when he released that materiel on Travyon...how he was the son he never had. Nothing more than a race baiter.

[Down Under]

The mental health crisis is overrated IMO. Suicide rates are lower than any decade post WW2 (bar maybe 00s) & the numbers 40+ years ago were probably much higher than recorded because of the shame & stigma associated with it back then.

[Spurminator]

In any event, I think the mass shootings in question (as defined by cold blooded attacks on soft-targets) shouldn't be politicized or racialized. Ultimately, the political motivations and race of the suspects is irrelevant.

Should we dissect each killer's past voting history or social media posts if the killing doesn't have an apparent ideological motivation? I don't think so.

But when the killer says "I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE OF MY IDEOLOGY," it is absolutely relevant, especially when the given ideology and motivations echo statements by elected officials who should know better.

[Thread]

The mental health crisis is overrated IMO. Suicide rates are lower than any decade post WW2 (bar maybe 00s) & the numbers 40+ years ago were probably much higher than recorded because of the shame & stigma associated with it back then.

Bend over. I'll show ya shame & fuckin' stigma.

[Down Under]

Bend over. I'll show ya shame & fuckin' stigma.
:drunk

[midnightpulp]

Should we dissect each killer's past voting history or social media posts if the killing doesn't have an apparent ideological motivation? I don't think so.

But when the killer says "I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE OF MY IDEOLOGY," it is absolutely relevant, especially when the given ideology and motivations echo statements by elected officials who should know better.

That is still politicizing it, and when you politicize it, you're trying to score political leverage points for the purpose of using it to enact policy or attribute blame (i.e. blaming an ideology just as much as the person). This tact opens you up for a huge rhetorical counterattack when the eventual disgruntled Latino, Muslim or Black kills a dozen white people. If you just treat them all as insane fucks and bury the politics of the situation, it'll lead to more productive debate rather than side vs. side shit flinging.

[Pavlov]

That is still politicizing it, and when you politicize it, you're trying to score political leverage points for the purpose of using it to enact policy or attribute blame (i.e. blaming an ideology just as much as the person). This tact opens you up for a huge rhetorical counterattack when the eventual disgruntled Latino, Muslim or Black kills a dozen white people. If you just treat them all as insane fucks and bury the politics of the situation, it'll lead to more productive debate rather than side vs. side shit flinging.Eh, there were 1.5 of those attacks from aggrieved blacks.

I don't think they were insane either. One had PTSD and the other was probably borderline/narcissist but those aren't crimes.

They aren't all insane. They're all angry.

[Spurminator]

That is still politicizing it, and when you politicize it, you're trying to score political leverage points for the purpose of using it to enact policy or attribute blame (i.e. blaming an ideology just as much as the person). This tact opens you up for a huge rhetorical counterattack when the eventual disgruntled Latino, Muslim or Black kills a dozen white people. If you just treat them all as insane fucks and bury the politics of the situation, it'll lead to more productive debate rather than side vs. side shit flinging.

If we're talking about an ideology where the increase of non-white inhabitants represents the downfall of American culture, I do think that ideology and everyone who preaches it share blame.

I'm not aware of any elected officials or major liberal pundits suggesting that white people don't belong here or are threatening our freedom. Certainly if a disgruntled Latino, Muslim or Black kills a dozen white people, they're every bit as terrible and likely insane. But attributing such an act directly to left-wing talking points wouldn't be so easy as it is with white nationalist terrorists and conservative media/congressmen/presidents.

[Spurminator]

Like, I really don't think anyone with any intellectual honesty can truly say with certainty that the El Paso attack wouldn't have happened without Trump's rhetoric. Consider this guy drove 9 hours to commit these murders in the same city that the President recently visited for a campaign rally to drive support for his wall.

Unless you believe that's just a coincidence, how do you not place some blame on Trump for stoking the fires? These dumbasses think we're at war.

[weebo]

It's weird that Thread keeps quoting me after I told him he's on ignore and I've responded to maybe 1 out of his last 100 posts to me. But I guess that's what you do when you're a lonely old piece of garbage with nothing else going on.

:lmao

[midnightpulp]

If we're talking about an ideology where the increase of non-white inhabitants represents the downfall of American culture, I do think that ideology and everyone who preaches it share blame.

I'm not aware of any elected officials or major liberal pundits suggesting that white people don't belong here or are threatening our freedom. Certainly if a disgruntled Latino, Muslim or Black kills a dozen white people, they're every bit as terrible and likely insane. But attributing such an act directly to left-wing talking points wouldn't be so easy as it is with white nationalist terrorists and conservative media/congressmen/presidents.

My logic is more about sustaining productive debate. When the eventual Latino kills some whites in revenge for El Paso, will there be intelligent discussion about gun control, mental health, etc, etc? No. It'll be, "How's it feel libtards that the shooter was Latino, an immigrant, and a supporter of Bernie Sanders!" Then the left will counter, "Yeah, but most of the attacks carried out were by white nationalists over the past few years." Then, "Keep deflecting libtards. You own this one." And no one will talk about any solutions. White nationalists will also feel vindicated that, "they aren't the only ones." And will use the attack to stir up propaganda fodder for the "race war," they want, meaning more potential radicalization.

Yes, white nationalism should be called out at all times, but in these mass shooter cases, I don't think it's wise to browbeat the point into oblivion.

[weebo]

That is still politicizing it, and when you politicize it, you're trying to score political leverage points for the purpose of using it to enact policy or attribute blame (i.e. blaming an ideology just as much as the person). This tact opens you up for a huge rhetorical counterattack when the eventual disgruntled Latino, Muslim or Black kills a dozen white people. If you just treat them all as insane fucks and bury the politics of the situation, it'll lead to more productive debate rather than side vs. side shit flinging.[/B]

Easy for you to say when you're not the one with a fucking bullseye on your back.

[TSA]

Like, I really don't think anyone with any intellectual honesty can truly say with certainty that the El Paso attack wouldn't have happened without Trump's rhetoric. Consider this guy drove 9 hours to commit these murders in the same city that the President recently visited for a campaign rally to drive support for his wall.

Unless you believe that's just a coincidence, how do you not place some blame on Trump for stoking the fires? These dumbasses think we're at war.

You’re in the far leftist mass murder thread you dipshit. Which Dem politician are you placing some blame on for stoking his fires?

[midnightpulp]

Like, I really don't think anyone with any intellectual honesty can truly say with certainty that the El Paso attack wouldn't have happened without Trump's rhetoric. Consider this guy drove 9 hours to commit these murders in the same city that the President recently visited for a campaign rally to drive support for his wall.

Unless you believe that's just a coincidence, how do you not place some blame on Trump for stoking the fires? These dumbasses think we're at war.

Trump should definitely be chastised for his rhetoric. But you can never prove "blame." If Trump didn't exist, it'll probably have been some right wing talking head that influenced him (and many of them probably did). We can never know the specificity of the shooter's influences.

[Pavlov]

You’re in the far leftist mass murder thread you dipshit. Which Dem politician are you placing some blame on for stoking his fires?Do you have a link to the 8chan thread where this theory got cooked up?

Oh.

:lmao

[weebo]

Trump should definitely be chastised for his rhetoric. But you can never prove "blame." If Trump didn't exist, it'll probably have been some right wing talking head that influenced him (and many of them probably did). We can never know the specificity of the shooter's influences.

You shake a hornet's nest some of them are bound to sting bro.

[midnightpulp]

Here's how mass shooting debate has changed. When Columbine happened and then the DC sniper situation happened, no one waited on baited breath about the race or political ideology of the shooters. Sick people did sick things and the concern was how to stop it. Now, EVERYONE waits on what was the shooter's race and political ideology is, because they're more concerned with holding a self-righteous position per their "team," than solutions. All this serves to do is entrench and divide.

[spurraider21]

My logic is more about sustaining productive debate. When the eventual Latino kills some whites in revenge for El Paso, will there be intelligent discussion about gun control, mental health, etc, etc? No. It'll be, "How's it feel libtards that the shooter was Latino, an immigrant, and a supporter of Bernie Sanders!" Then the left will counter, "Yeah, but most of the attacks carried out were by white nationalists over the past few years." Then, "Keep deflecting libtards. You own this one." And no one will talk about any solutions. White nationalists will also feel vindicated that, "they aren't the only ones." And will use the attack to stir up propaganda fodder for the "race war," they want, meaning more potential radicalization.

Yes, white nationalism should be called out at all times, but in these mass shooter cases, I don't think it's wise to browbeat the point into oblivion.
so you're saying people should avoid calling out the ideology to appease people like this?

You’re in the far leftist mass murder thread you dipshit. Which Dem politician are you placing some blame on for stoking his fires?

[Pavlov]

Here's how mass shooting debate has changed. When Columbine happened and then the DC sniper situation happened, no one waited on baited breath about the race or political ideology of the shooters. Sick people did sick things and the concern was how to stop it. Now, EVERYONE waits on what was the shooter's race and political ideology is, because they're more concerned with holding a self-righteous position per their "team," than solutions. All this serves to do is entrench and divide.There are only two common threads to all of them: anger and guns.

Now what?

[Spurminator]

My logic is more about sustaining productive debate. When the eventual Latino kills some whites in revenge for El Paso, will there be intelligent discussion about gun control, mental health, etc, etc? No. It'll be, "How's it feel libtards that the shooter was Latino, an immigrant, and a supporter of Bernie Sanders!" Then the left will counter, "Yeah, but most of the attacks carried out were by white nationalists over the past few years." Then, "Keep deflecting libtards. You own this one." And no one will talk about any solutions. White nationalists will also feel vindicated that, "they aren't the only ones." And will use the attack to stir up propaganda fodder for the "race war," they want, meaning more potential radicalization.

I know that's a fake conversation, but the left in your example is absolutely correct, and the right is stretching to politicize. I don't believe in limiting conversation to prevent bad faith or illogical conclusions from others.

And anyway, like I've said before, this conversation would happen regardless. Conservatives ALREADY politicize the shit out of minority and Muslim murders. It's not like it's a new phenomenon that would be a result of the left politicizing white nationalist attacks. It's the current reality.


And no one will talk about any solutions.

Sure they will. The left will bring up gun control and the right will resist that conversation.

Another simple (partial) solution is to quit preaching xenophobia from the White House and on National TV, and I'm not sure what needs to be discussed there.

[Spurminator]

You’re in the far leftist mass murder thread you dipshit. Which Dem politician are you placing some blame on for stoking his fires?

Hi TSA, welcome to the discussion, you can find the context of the post you quoted in the posts preceding it.

[DarrinS]

Like, I really don't think anyone with any intellectual honesty can truly say with certainty that the El Paso attack wouldn't have happened without Trump's rhetoric. Consider this guy drove 9 hours to commit these murders in the same city that the President recently visited for a campaign rally to drive support for his wall.

Unless you believe that's just a coincidence, how do you not place some blame on Trump for stoking the fires? These dumbasses think we're at war.



Here's some rhetoric.


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[DarrinS]

If you think 2016 was bad, just wait for 2020.

[Spurminator]

Here's how mass shooting debate has changed. When Columbine happened and then the DC sniper situation happened, no one waited on baited breath about the race or political ideology of the shooters. Sick people did sick things and the concern was how to stop it. Now, EVERYONE waits on what was the shooter's race and political ideology is, because they're more concerned with holding a self-righteous position per their "team," than solutions. All this serves to do is entrench and divide.

I agree with this when the ideology is not clearly what drove the attack. I have said as much in other instances where and apparent conservative has committed a crime that did not clearly stem from his ideology.

I disagree when the killer tells us his motivation was ideology. We have to have that conversation.

[midnightpulp]

so you're saying people should avoid calling out the ideology to appease people like this?

No. Just don't browbeat it over and over and over and over. On the shithole is twitter, the "outraged" are sharing that meme photo of all the white shooters of the past half decade or so, and making it a point, ignorant to the fact that the Virginia Beach shooter was black. It's obvious where their concern lies, not in mass shooting events, but in blaming a certain demographic they dislike. Case in point. This shit isn't productive.

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[Spurminator]

Here's some rhetoric.


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Yes, that is irresponsible. But I'll remind you that I was talking about the President of the United States and your best response was an author.

[weebo]

Here's how mass shooting debate has changed. When Columbine happened and then the DC sniper situation happened, no one waited on baited breath about the race or political ideology of the shooters. Sick people did sick things and the concern was how to stop it. Now, EVERYONE waits on what was the shooter's race and political ideology is, because they're more concerned with holding a self-righteous position per their "team," than solutions. All this serves to do is entrench and divide.

No. It's because of today's political climate and one terrorist president who is stoking the flames of intolerance and violence--that's how today's mass killings differ from the past. No one is arguing that sick people exist and do sick things. What we don't need is someone like the president of the US inciting this type of violent behavior--no matter what you think of Trump--his words carry consequences.

[TSA]

so you're saying people should avoid calling out the ideology to appease people like this?

Right over your head

[midnightpulp]

Here's some rhetoric.


1158160628592209920

Yes, this is highly unacceptable and should be called out by any well meaning person. I know plenty of Trump supporters in real life, and while I think they're politically ignorant and too infatuated with the man's cult of personality, they aren't "terror supporters," nor deserve eradication.

[TSA]

Hi TSA, welcome to the discussion, you can find the context of the post you quoted in the posts preceding it.

Hi Spurminator, you can find your dodged question right above. So which Dem politician are you placing some blame on for stoking the Dayton shooter’s fires?

[TSA]

Like, I really don't think anyone with any intellectual honesty can truly say with certainty that the El Paso attack wouldn't have happened without Trump's rhetoric. Consider this guy drove 9 hours to commit these murders in the same city that the President recently visited for a campaign rally to drive support for his wall.

Unless you believe that's just a coincidence, how do you not place some blame on Trump for stoking the fires? These dumbasses think we're at war.

He specifically said his views were shaped before Trump. If you are throwing that out you have to throw the whole manifesto out. Pick a lane.

[Spurminator]

Hi Spurminator, you can find your dodged question right above. So which Dem politician are you placing some blame on for stoking the Dayton shooter’s fires?

I'm not dodging anything, you're just not reading. I don't blame any politician for a non-political attack, regardless of the attacker's affiliation.

Now let the adults continue their conversation while you run along and try to figure out where all of the assholes are going since 8chan shut down.

[clambake]

He specifically said his views were shaped before Trump. If you are throwing that out you have to throw the whole manifesto out. Pick a lane.

thats why he spelled it out.

[midnightpulp]

He specifically said his views were shaped before Trump. If you are throwing that out you have to throw the whole manifesto out. Pick a lane.

To be fair, he could've easily lied about that in order deflect the blame he knew would come Trump's way. And all of this "pondering" about who, what, when politics and people he was influenced by is why discussing it is a dead end. I prefer the more efficient pondering of just calling these people sick fucks doing sick things. And yes, white nationalism is a sick fuck ideology. We know that, so there's no reason to browbeat it for political points.

[Spurminator]

He specifically said his views were shaped before Trump. If you are throwing that out you have to throw the whole manifesto out. Pick a lane.

I'm sure a lot of racist Trump lovers had their views shaped before Trump was President, that doesn't mean they can't be radicalized further.

[Spurminator]

:lol

Trump WON THE PRESIDENCY because people had their views shaped before he was President.

What a stupid deflection.

[baseline bum]

I don't even mind that they're going after video games, some of the 4chan/Gamergate faggots need some comeuppance after putting this retard in office.

Because shootings in Japan and South Korea where people play lots of violent games are through the roof? You don't mind Trump making shit up to protect the NRA?

[Spurminator]

I prefer the more efficient pondering of just calling these people sick fucks doing sick things.

I prefer calling to account the people who encourage the sick fucks and then do nothing about the consequences.

But, agree to disagree.

[TSA]

He specifically said his views were shaped before Trump. If you are throwing that out you have to throw the whole manifesto out. Pick a lane.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1158382580883959808

Did you just pick and choose what parts of the manifesto fit your narrative?

[DarrinS]

I'm sure a lot of racist Trump lovers had their views shaped before Trump was President, that doesn't mean they can't be radicalized further.


If people really see that dumb red hat as a KKK hood, there's going to be violence.

[Spurminator]

Because shootings in Japan and South Korea where people play lots of violent games are through the roof? You don't mind Trump making shit up to protect the NRA?

I think you took that post too literally.

1. I don't think video games have anything to do with the shootings.
2. I don't think anything will actually be done about video games.
3. I'm just getting a dig in at gamers who are also Trump fans.

[TSA]

I prefer calling to account the people who encourage the sick fucks and then do nothing about the consequences.

But, agree to disagree.


Who exactly is encouraging these sick fucks? Be specific.

[DarrinS]

I think you took that post too literally.

1. I don't think video games have anything to do with the shootings.
2. I don't think anything will actually be done about video games.
3. I'm just getting a dig in at gamers who are also Trump fans.


Yeah, I didn't take that post too seriously.

[Spurminator]

If people really see that dumb red hat as a KKK hood, there's going to be violence.

We can have that discussion when someone shoots up a MAGA rally, I guess.

[TSA]

To be fair, he could've easily lied about that in order deflect the blame he knew would come Trump's way. And all of this "pondering" about who, what, when politics and people he was influenced by is why discussing it is a dead end. I prefer the more efficient pondering of just calling these people sick fucks doing sick things. And yes, white nationalism is a sick fuck ideology. We know that, so there's no reason to browbeat it for political points.

We’ve discussed these shootings before and we are basically on the same page. I’m just pointing out the irony of blaming white nationalism in the shooting thread of the leftist.

[midnightpulp]

I prefer calling to account the people who encourage the sick fucks and then do nothing about the consequences.

But, agree to disagree.

But I agree. Trump's feet should be held to the fire for his irresponsible, divisive, and inflammatory rhetoric throughout his presidency. But we can't prove blame. Ultimately, Trump did not pull the trigger. He is a profound piece of shit, but we can never know how much influence Trump really had on the shooter. Blame Trump for his words in a vacuum.

[Spurminator]

Who exactly is encouraging these sick fucks? Be specific.

I'm not going to repeat myself for someone who argues in bad faith.

You're free to review my activity from the past two days if you're curious. I've been specific.

[Spurminator]

We’ve discussed these shootings before and we are basically on the same page. I’m just pointing out the irony of blaming white nationalism in the shooting thread of the leftist.

The conversation evolved to encompass a broader conversation on politically motivated shootings at post #273, thread cop. That's where we are now. Like I said, catch up.

[Spurminator]

But I agree. Trump's feet should be held to the fire for his irresponsible, divisive, and inflammatory rhetoric throughout his presidency. But we can't prove blame. Ultimately, Trump did not pull the trigger. He is a profound piece of shit, but we can never know how much influence Trump really had on the shooter. Blame Trump for his words in a vacuum.

I believe holding one's feet to the fire includes a discussion of possible real-world consequences. If you're defining "blame" as *full* responsibility, then of course I don't think that applies to anyone but the shooter.

[Pavlov]

Here's some rhetoric.


1158160628592209920Sure there are other ways to interpret this.

Do you really think this guy was saying kill Kellyanne Conway?

Yes or no.

[DarrinS]

We can have that discussion when someone shoots up a MAGA rally, I guess.

Ok

[TSA]

I'm not going to repeat myself for someone who argues in bad faith.

You're free to review my activity from the past two days if you're curious. I've been specific.

Calling out your bullshit isn’t an act in bad faith.

[Pavlov]

We’ve discussed these shootings before and we are basically on the same page. I’m just pointing out the irony of blaming white nationalism in the shooting thread of the leftist.Incel misogynists can be members of any party. You'll do anything to not talk about the guns tho.

[DarrinS]

Sure there are other ways to interpret this.

Do you really think this guy was saying kill Kellyanne Conway?

Yes or no.


I wasn't talking about his reference to her. He basically said all trump supporters should be eradicated.

[midnightpulp]

I believe holding one's feet to the fire includes a discussion of possible real-world consequences. If you're defining "blame" as *full* responsibility, then of course I don't think that applies to anyone but the shooter.

Like what? Trump still has freedom of speech, and he's free to call immigrants invaders and rapists. It's definitely HIGHLY irresponsible for a public official to use that rhetoric, but not illegal. And his own limp dick party won't even so much as slap his hand and call him out (criticisms from the Dems are toothless obviously), so I'm not sure how you police him.

[Spurminator]

Calling out your bullshit isn’t an act in bad faith.

No bullshit. You'll find the answer to your question in previous posts. Your inevitable response will be another bad faith argument, which is why I don't bother.

[Pavlov]

I wasn't talking about his reference to her. He basically said all trump supporters should be eradicated.Is your argument he said all of them should be summarily killed?

[Spurminator]

Like what? Trump still has freedom of speech, and he's free to call immigrants invaders and rapists. It's definitely HIGHLY irresponsible for a public official to use that rhetoric, but not illegal.

I'm talking about consequences like inspiring some sick fuck to shoot people, not legal consequences.

You agree it's highly irresponsible. That's what I'm saying. I assume you agree that "highly irresponsible" means there is potential for consequences.

[DarrinS]

Is your argument he said all of them should be summarily killed?

He's the one that wrote ALL OF THEM in all caps followed by eradication comment.

[midnightpulp]

I'm talking about consequences like inspiring some sick fuck to shoot people, not legal consequences.

You agree it's highly irresponsible. That's what I'm saying. I assume you agree that "highly irresponsible" means there is potential for consequences.

Yes. And Trump should be criticized for his words, but calling him a "Stochastic Terrorist" (as I've seen on the twatters) is a little much. As bad as his rhetoric is, it doesn't call for murder or displacement of non-whites, like many alt-right ramblings, which I'm sure the shooter was immersed in.

[Pavlov]

He's the one that wrote ALL OF THEM in all caps followed by eradication comment.Is your argument he said all of them should be summarily killed?


Yes or no.

[TSA]

No bullshit. You'll find the answer to your question in previous posts. Your inevitable response will be another bad faith argument, which is why I don't bother.
Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?

[Pavlov]

Berniesque ideals:rollin

[Spurminator]

Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?

I discussed the manifesto's mention of corporations and environmental resources with Darrin yesterday. Keep looking.

[Thread]

Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?

Oops. TSA caught the Spurm being less than forthright.

[pgardn]

Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?

What were those?

the environment was being ruined by a Mexican invasion?

link(s)

Had no idea he mentioned Sanders influencing him.

[midnightpulp]

Let's be intellectually honest here. The "Leftist" part of the shooter's manifesto can't be linked to a Leftist politician in the same way as the "Kill hispanics" part of the manifesto can be linked to Trump, because, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall AOC, Warren, Bernie calling CEOs "invaders, rapists, etc."

Perhaps they have. Left wing rhetoric can be similarly inflammatory with regards to demonizing the rich (i.e. "the rich are evil exploiters out to ruin your life"), hell, you can even twist Bible scripture to justify violence against the rich ("rich man, camel, eye of the needle, and all that") but I don't think calling for higher taxes on the rich equates to calling immigrants invaders and rapists.

The Bernie/AOC equivalent would be for them in front of a pulpit calling America's CEOs and Wealthy, "evil exploiters of the working class who will ruin your lives if it meant they could increase their profits. This sort of thing needs to be stopped. What can we do?" And then a pulpit member answered, "Shoot them." As AOC or Bernie laughed it off with a joke.

[Winehole23]

I wasn't talking about his reference to her. He basically said all trump supporters should be eradicated.Free speech. I doubt anyone has much to fear from a supremely pissed off comparative religion scholar.

If Conway feels threatened, she has every right to file a complaint and ask for protection.

So can you, DarrinS. Does Reza Aslan frighten you?

What he said is without any doubt hateful, intemperate, even reckless, but it's not too different from things kw and ducks say around here every day. Do they scare you too?

[Spurminator]

"He targeted Hispanics in a Texas border city, and stated specifically that he was doing this because of Hispanic infestation of Texas, because he was a crazy lefty environmentalist."

Starting to think TSA actually believes this stuff. I always assumed he was just a liar.

[Thread]

"He targeted Hispanics in a Texas border city, and stated specifically that he was doing this because of Hispanic infestation of Texas, because he was a crazy lefty environmentalist."

Starting to think TSA actually believes this stuff. I always assumed he was just a liar.

But only 7 Mexicans were transported according to MSM.

[Spurminator]

^ Still nipping?


It's weird that Thread keeps quoting me after I told him he's on ignore and I've responded to maybe 1 out of his last 100 posts to me. But I guess that's what you do when you're a lonely old piece of garbage with nothing else going on.

[Thread]

^ Still nipping?

You ignore me.
I ignore no one.

Only pussies & chickenshits employ the Ignore Button.

[pgardn]

So zilch.

And I guess the guy could have just as easily traveled to deplorable town in Deep Southern State and slaughtered hundreds of confederate wanna bes.
But he did not.

[ducks]

The Dayton shooter had an extreme left Twitter feed

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-dayton-shootings-august-2019/h_c3fe4a1d2b04da849422f817647227ab

[Pavlov]

The Dayton shooter had an extreme left Twitter feed

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-dayton-shootings-august-2019/h_c3fe4a1d2b04da849422f817647227abAlso liked the right wing El Paso shootings, so everything makes perfect sense.

[ducks]

This shooter should have been stopped police knew he had a hit list

[ducks]

Joe Biden says video games may play role in gun violence

[Winehole23]

Joe Biden says video games may play role in gun violenceBullshit.

Domestic violence and access to guns are much more strongly correlated.

[Thread]

The Dayton shooter had an extreme left Twitter feed

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-dayton-shootings-august-2019/h_c3fe4a1d2b04da849422f817647227ab

Thank God. It saved our hash, ducks. We were this||close to being fucked. If not for Chicago & Dayton I'd probably be back in the RR lickin' my wounds & oiling my transom right this minute.

[Winehole23]

Thread still gloating over a massacre, grateful for it even.

[Thread]

Thread still gloating over a massacre, grateful for it even.

& you were pullin' for a supremacist, a white one. You've nary room. Nary!

You were jackassing.

[Winehole23]

We got a white supremacist killer, clearly you're still buttsore about that rather than about a bunch of Texans getting killed.

[Thread]

We got a white supremacist killer, clearly you're still buttsore about that rather than about a bunch of Texans getting killed.

You got Texas.
I got Ohio.

But, I also got Chicago.

ha, ha.

[Winehole23]

What bullshit. Nobody wins when people die like that.

[Trill Clinton]

the Dayton shooter is a suspected white supremacist imo. he went to a predominately black bar and had a specific target in mind.

[Thread]

What bullshit. Nobody wins when people die like that.

Yeah, right. Nobody could tell you that though when you had Texas by the longhorns & Dayton on deck. At that point you wanted us to bring Chicago into the fray. You were waiting for us. Then CNN/MSNBC couldn't get clearance on Dayton, couldn't get the margins they needed:::"Fuck it, people, triple down on El Paso, Dayton is gone."

We grabbed for Chicago & got straightened out.

It happens.

[Thread]

the Dayton shooter is a suspected white supremacist imo. he went to a predominately black bar and had a specific target in mind.

I'll just he is, but, CNN won't touch him. They've taken up residence in El Paso.

[Thread]

the Dayton shooter is a suspected white supremacist imo. he went to a predominately black bar and had a specific target in mind.

...his sister. tee, hee.

[Trill Clinton]

...his sister. tee, hee.

who was probably dating a black guy. the "companion" she was with was also shot but survived. I hope we get his side of the story.

[Thread]

who was probably dating a black guy. the "companion" she was with was also shot but survived. I hope we get his side of the story.

& maybe she caught her brother prancing about in her lingerie, stealing it, hoarding it, organizing it, ironing it, uh, oh, pardon me...yes, it's very possible about the black guy.

[Trill Clinton]

this is a weird one. online he was a DSA type leftist and in real life he was the typical right wing SAWM/Incel

[Winehole23]

Yeah, right. Nobody could tell you that though when you had Texas by the longhorns & Dayton on deck. At that point you wanted us to bring Chicago into the fray. You were waiting for us. Then CNN/MSNBC couldn't get clearance on Dayton, couldn't get the margins they needed:::"Fuck it, people, triple down on El Paso, Dayton is gone."

We grabbed for Chicago & got straightened out.

It happens.Thread ranting now.

[Winehole23]

this is a weird one. online he was a DSA type leftist and in real life he was the typical right wing SAWM/IncelI don't think of political affiliation as being immunization against racism, do you?

[Thread]

Thread ranting now.

Just checkin' assholes.

[Thread]

this is a weird one. online he was a DSA type leftist and in real life he was the typical right wing SAWM/Incel

Sell it, TC, sell it!!!

[Winehole23]

Just checkin' assholes.

Nah, you're losing composure.

[Thread]

I don't think of political affiliation as being immunization against racism, do you?

Can't wait for TC to answer your query...

[clambake]

Just checkin' assholes.

something about the browns that makes yours pucker.

i'll bet there is some history. something dale never got over.

[Trill Clinton]

I don't think of political affiliation as being immunization against racism, do you?

no i don't. its just rare to see this type of violence from the left. antifa usually targets white supremacists with their anger, not the innocent, which is why i think this guy was living 2 lives.

[Thread]

something about the browns that makes yours pucker.

i'll bet there is some history. something dale never got over.

Hitler?

[clambake]

Hitler?

you call your asshole hitler?

[Thread]

no i don't. its just rare to see this type of violence from the left. antifa usually targets white supremacists with their anger, not the innocent, which is why i think this guy was living 2 lives.

...I'm pulling for the (live) in the Pocahontas tee pee.

[Thread]

you call your asshole hitler?

Everyday that ends in (y).

[benefactor]

Nah, you're losing composure.
He doesn't give a fuck about the issues. He's here to scoreboard and nothing more

[Thread]

He doesn't give a fuck about the issues. He's here to scoreboard and nothing more

& neither do "you," bene. You're just waitin' till you're back on top of the scoreboard, rulin' the roost. Well, daddy-O, until then I got the con. Now, get ta shinin' my fuckin' shoes.

WOOT!!!

[DarrinS]

no i don't. its just rare to see this type of violence from the left. antifa usually targets white supremacists with their anger, not the innocent

:lol

[Pavlov]

:lol
How many left wing mass shootings in the US can you recall, Darrin?

And this guy's views on women were far from progressive tbh.

[benefactor]

& neither do "you," bene. You're just waitin' till you're back on top of the scoreboard, rulin' the roost. Well, daddy-O, until then I got the con. Now, get ta shinin' my fuckin' shoes.

WOOT!!!
Whether I care or not is irrelevant...and besides, you have no evidence to back that assertion. However, your lack of concern and need to keep getting that internet W is on full display...and is only strengthened with this post.

[Thread]

Whether I care or not is irrelevant...and besides, you have no evidence to back that assertion. However, your lack of concern and need to keep getting that internet W is on full display...and is only strengthened with this post.

Absolutely. I got the W two Novembers ago & I ain't letting a day go by without stuffing it down mine enemies throat. You'd be doing the same damn thing if the old man had lost. We both know it. You lost, in broad daylightPERIOD

[benefactor]

Absolutely. I got the W two Novembers ago & I ain't letting a day go by without stuffing it down mine enemies throat.

Good...at least you are honest about your intentions and not willfully stupid like ducks and Chris.

[Trill Clinton]

finally a Dale with some sense

6Gn3lihSNEo

[Thread]

Good...at least you are honest about your intentions and not willfully stupid like ducks and Chris.

Don't charm me, bene. We're like a snake & a mongoose. You crossed too many lines to venture an olive branch now.

[Splits]

Absolutely. I got the W two Novembers ago & I ain't letting a day go by without stuffing it down mine enemies throat. You'd be doing the same damn thing if the old man had lost. We both know it. You lost, in broad daylightPERIOD

Lies. You disappeared from here only to recently crawl out from whatever cesspool you were dwelling in.

90% of your posts which contain verifiable facts are either fake news or lies. Lordy.

[DMC]

The thing with Chicago is that it's just a lazy deflection. And when people use that deflection, what point are they trying to make? Do they want equal outrage from "the left" about what results from inner city gang violence vis a vis a cold blooded mass shooting? Murder in unmotivated cold blood directed at soft targets like churches and schools will always generate more outrage and fear than reading/hearing about gang violence. And yes, there's usually quite a bit of outrage when innocents are caught in gang crossfire, but the outrage is usually localized, since these stories really don't get national attention. A big story in my city was a toddler being caught in gang crossfire, and there was hang wringing for what seemed like months, the local paper and citizens calling for solutions.

The point is simple: There are mass shootings every weekend in a city called Chicago and people just pretend it's not an issue.

Do you think only gang members are killed in these shootings? Do some research, see how many innocent kids, moms, etc.. get killed in these shootings.

The mass shootings elsewhere are sensational events that stirs conversation and then it dies down. People aren't going to do anything about until they are personally affected by it - just like Chicago.

[Spurtacular]

The point is simple: There are mass shootings every weekend in a city called Chicago and people just pretend it's not an issue.

Do you think only gang members are killed in these shootings? Do some research, see how many innocent kids, moms, etc.. get killed in these shootings.


Liberals hate to look in the mirror; it's a fugly sight. :lol

[DMC]

What bullshit. Nobody wins when people die like that.

Yet so many here seem to feel they have won something by pointing out race, incel and such. Yeah that's cute. Your righteous indignation is duly noted.

[DMC]

You ignore me.
I ignore no one.

Only pussies & chickenshits employ the Ignore Button.

You're referring to someone who masqueraded as Adam Lambert to talk shit in his own threads because his main alt was too chickenshit and wanted to stay clean. Don't expect too much.

[Chris]

You're referring to someone who masqueraded as Adam Lambert to talk shit in his own threads because his main alt was too chickenshit and wanted to stay clean. Don't expect too much.

oof :lol

[DMC]

I'll do you one better, I'll give you the Chicago Tribune tracker on the POTUS using Chicago entirely for political gain:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-trump-tweets-quotes-chicago-htmlstory.html

And so, we can't claim there's no awareness to the situation there. A cursory 'violence problematic in chicago' google search will give you both thorough reporting, statistics and plenty of coverage.

The fallacy is to say "look at Chicago!" as if that's the bar. That's the bottom right now, just like New York or LA were at some point in time.

That's not "one better"

There's no discussion here about it. 30 people die in shootings over the weekend, nary a peep here. Trill silent as a church mouse.

[TSA]

You're referring to someone who masqueraded as Adam Lambert to talk shit in his own threads because his main alt was too chickenshit and wanted to stay clean. Don't expect too much.

:lol ouch

[Pavlov]

That's not "one better"

There's no discussion here about it. 30 people die in shootings over the weekend, nary a peep here. Trill silent as a church mouse.Well you certainly talk about it as a deflection pretty much every time a white guy shoots a bunch of people.

[Winehole23]

Yet so many here seem to feel they have won something by pointing out race, incel and such. Yeah that's cute. Your righteous indignation is duly noted.You’re over reading a call out. Thread keeps pointing to the scoreboard, mentioning dead Texans is a legit reply.

[Winehole23]

Well you certainly talk about it as a deflection pretty much every time a white guy shoots a bunch of people.Oftimes by starting petty, unrelated slap fights with other posters

[Thread]

The point is simple: There are mass shootings every weekend in a city called Chicago and people just pretend it's not an issue.

Do you think only gang members are killed in these shootings? Do some research, see how many innocent kids, moms, etc.. get killed in these shootings.

The mass shootings elsewhere are sensational events that stirs conversation and then it dies down. People aren't going to do anything about until they are personally affected by it - just like Chicago.

Tell it, D. Testify!!!

[Thread]

You’re over reading a call out. Thread keeps pointing to the scoreboard, mentioning dead Texans is a legit reply.

Only when we made it thru Dayton by the skin of our teeth. I knew we was in when their Mayor joked about it not once, but, twice. Bless-her-heart, she shit where she eats.

[Thread]

Oftimes by starting petty, unrelated slap fights with other posters

You do the same damn thing when a non white shoots up the local gentry. You've nary room.

[Winehole23]

You do the same damn thing when a non white shoots up the local gentry. You've nary room.So you say, can you link one example?

I won’t hold my breath.

[Thread]

So you say, can you link one example?

I won’t hold my breath.

I don't do links, I've told you that, but, you're light headed from not holding your breath.

[Splits]

I don't do links, I've told you that, but, you're light headed from not holding your breath.

Because it's fake news.

[Thread]

Because it's fake news.

No, fart-face.

I've seen it. That's enough for me.

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

I don't do links, I've told you that, but, you're light headed from not holding your breath.Being Thread means never having to own your screwups or back up your bs.

[Thread]

Being Thread means never having to own your screwups or back up your bs.

All you guys get your jollies with all these links & URLs & "letters to the editors" on & on. It's nonsense.

Dale doesn't need it nor do it. I've seen what I say & I say what I've seen. That's me, that's my jollies.

[Spurminator]

You're referring to someone who masqueraded as Adam Lambert to talk shit in his own threads because his main alt was too chickenshit and wanted to stay clean. Don't expect too much.

Yes, if there's one thing about my behavior under the Spurminator username, it's that I avoid conflict and shit-talking. :lol

I knew the site of a flamboyant gay man would irritate people, especially in the context of a political argument. And here we are, more than two years after I used the Lambert alt with any regularity, and you're still talking about it without provocation. (This, of course, after you got so obsessed that you used my email address to dig up a bunch of my alts from 2009.)

"Rent free."

[Splits]

All you guys get your jollies with all these links & URLs & "letters to the editors" on & on. It's nonsense.

Dale doesn't need it nor do it. I've seen what I say & I say what I've seen. That's me, that's my jollies.

What's nonsense is you making false claims and hiding under the "I don't do links" bullshit. It is why nobody believes anything you say

[boutons_deux]

Protesters Outnumber Trump Supporters Roughly 100 to 6 At Site of Dayton Mass Shooting

Dozens of people, perhaps more than a hundred or so at this point have gathered.

Many earlier started chanting “Do something.” :lol a waste of breath, but did send Trash a msg

That’s something we’ve heard repeated over the last couple days,

here at a vigil less than 24 hours after the shooting,

people chanting “Do something” when the governor of Ohio decided to get on stage.

They told me the last couple days of the frustration,

that they feel the government, state government, federal government isn’t doing enough.

That’s what we’re seeing right now reacting to the president’s visit.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/08/07/protesters-outnumber-trump-supporters-roughly-100-to-6-at-site-of-dayton-mass-shooting.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/08/07/protesters-outnumber-trump-supporters-roughly-100-to-6-at-site-of-dayton-mass-shooting.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

That's Dayton city, nearly all of OH rural is red.

Trash took OH by 8% in 2016. So FUCK OHIO :)

[Thread]

What's nonsense is you making false claims and hiding under the "I don't do links" bullshit. It is why nobody believes anything you say

& that's fine. I'm not here to have you fellows believe me. I'm here to support the President & to smite our enemies. To take up the hammer, the old man wields the tong, to build the triple redoubt, to form square, to fort up, to man the ramparts.

Love always,

- Dale

[Thread]

Protesters Outnumber Trump Supporters Roughly 100 to 6 At Site of Dayton Mass Shooting

Dozens of people, perhaps more than a hundred or so at this point have gathered.

Many earlier started chanting “Do something.” :lol a waste of breath, but did send Trash a msg

That’s something we’ve heard repeated over the last couple days,

here at a vigil less than 24 hours after the shooting,

people chanting “Do something” when the governor of Ohio decided to get on stage.

They told me the last couple days of the frustration,

that they feel the government, state government, federal government isn’t doing enough.

That’s what we’re seeing right now reacting to the president’s visit.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/08/07/protesters-outnumber-trump-supporters-roughly-100-to-6-at-site-of-dayton-mass-shooting.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/08/07/protesters-outnumber-trump-supporters-roughly-100-to-6-at-site-of-dayton-mass-shooting.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

That's Dayton city, nearly all of OH rural is red.

Trash took OH by 8% in 2016. So FUCK OHIO :)




You gd rights, I'm boilin' this down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Splits]

& that's fine. I'm not here to have you fellows believe me. I'm here to support the President & to smite our enemies. To take up the hammer, the old man wields the tong, to build the triple redoubt, to form square, to fort up, to man the ramparts.

Love always,

- Dale

He, like you, is an amoral loser and will forever be remembered by history as such.

[Thread]

He, like you, is an amoral loser and will forever be remembered by history as such.

But, also as (45). & you can't stop that, Splits. & that's what eats at ya, deep inside, paints your heart black, spoils your sustenance, causes your bowels to boil their content, to loosen your stool, STOOL!

You were asleep at the wheel 2 Novembers ago & your regret is palpable, PALPABLE!

18 holes on the WGT?

[Splits]

But, also as (45). & you can't stop that, Splits. & that's what eats at ya, deep inside, paints your heart black, spoils your sustenance, causes your bowels to boil their content, to loosen your stool, STOOL!

You were asleep at the wheel 2 Novembers ago & your regret is palpable, PALPABLE!

18 holes on the WGT?

Bullshit. His legacy will be to bury your shit racist party from winning the presidency again for decades

I only play WGT for money. Sure, I'll take your credits.

[Thread]

Bullshit. His legacy will be to bury your shit racist party from winning the presidency again for decades

I only play WGT for money. Sure, I'll take your credits.

DECADES!!!

I'm afeared you're right, but, at least I've these four years. Sure beats not having them. I needed it. I needed these 4 years, bad. & I got 'em. & nobody can take them from me.

[ElNono]

That's not "one better"

There's no discussion here about it. 30 people die in shootings over the weekend, nary a peep here. Trill silent as a church mouse.

Your original contention didn’t circumscribe to ‘here’. And why do we need that distinction? It’s not like it’s unreported.


If we were to move on to discuss why it’s not talked about enough here, I would suspect it’s because big city crime is a fairly well understood phenomenon, with relatively well known policies that can help curb it. I made a similar point in the, gasp, Chicago thread.

[DMC]

Ok, show me the threads here that discuss Chicago gang shooting and what to do about it.


Your original contention didn’t circumscribe to ‘here’. And why do we need that distinction? It’s not like it’s unreported.


If we were to move on to discuss why it’s not talked about enough here, I would suspect it’s because big city crime is a fairly well understood phenomenon, with relatively well known policies that can help curb it. I made a similar point in the, gasp, Chicago thread.

The one above your is the one you responded to.

We don't seem to be trying to understand these things. We seem to be trying to distance ourselves and our politics from them. This is why the mass shootings around the country are used as troll fodder for race baiters, while those in hotbeds like Chicago are dismissed as "understood". There are dead people in both cases. We should treat murders the same across the board. Interesting side notes about motivations don't change the fact that innocent people died. Sure one is more sensational than the other, but that shouldn't make it more important.

[DMC]

Yes, if there's one thing about my behavior under the Spurminator username, it's that I avoid conflict and shit-talking. :lol

I knew the site of a flamboyant gay man would irritate people, especially in the context of a political argument. And here we are, more than two years after I used the Lambert alt with any regularity, and you're still talking about it without provocation. (This, of course, after you got so obsessed that you used my email address to dig up a bunch of my alts from 2009.)

"Rent free."
Bottom shelf troll excuse. You were sock puppet supporting your own threads.

If you want to display the flamboyant gay, just be yourself.

[Pavlov]

Right, we should downplay ALL murders when a sensational one happens.

[ducks]

US population as of Aug 2019 is 329.5 M. Total number of guns in the US is estimated at 393M. All these guns were not purchased under Trumps 2 1/2 year term, but he seems to be taking all the heat for it. What did Clinton, Bush and Obama do to curtail the problem....it appears to be nothing

[Thread]

US population as of Aug 2019 is 329.5 M. Total number of guns in the US is estimated at 393M. All these guns were not purchased under Trumps 2 1/2 year term, but he seems to be taking all the heat for it. What did Clinton, Bush and Obama do to curtail the problem....it appears to be nothing

Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!

[Pavlov]

US population as of Aug 2019 is 329.5 M. Total number of guns in the US is estimated at 393M. All these guns were not purchased under Trumps 2 1/2 year term, but he seems to be taking all the heat for it. What did Clinton, Bush and Obama do to curtail the problem....it appears to be nothingThe number of guns went up and the number of households with guns went down.

So the problem is in the households that still have guns.

You may now solve the problem.

[ducks]

How many houses have beer and cars ?

[Pavlov]

How many houses have beer and cars ?Don't change YOUR subject, ducks.

[DMC]

The number of guns went up and the number of households with guns went down.

So the problem is in the households that still have guns.

You may now solve the problem.
We know you moved your gun out because you got askeered.

[ducks]

Don't change YOUR subject, ducks.

2-5 murders ok at one team
Over 8 bad per liberals

[Pavlov]

We know you moved your gun out because you got askeered.Nope.


But you go on lying to yourself if it makes you feel better.

Or update your file on me along with your wheelchair story, weirdo.:lol

[DMC]

Nope.


But you go on lying to yourself if it makes you feel better.

Or update your file on me along with your wheelchair story, weirdo.:lol
We know what we know, close your curtains and roll back over to your bed.

[Pavlov]

We know what we knowBut you don't. For a guy who wants others to think he's smart, you're pretty stupid when it comes to the people you collect information on here.

[DMC]

But you don't. For a guy who wants others to think he's smart, you're pretty stupid when it comes to the people you collect information on here.

RYnFIRc0k6E

[Pavlov]

RYnFIRc0k6EIs that a wheelchair reference?

Are you trying to make edgy handicap jokes, DMC?

[ElNono]

The one above your is the one you responded to.

We don't seem to be trying to understand these things. We seem to be trying to distance ourselves and our politics from them. This is why the mass shootings around the country are used as troll fodder for race baiters, while those in hotbeds like Chicago are dismissed as "understood". There are dead people in both cases. We should treat murders the same across the board. Interesting side notes about motivations don't change the fact that innocent people died. Sure one is more sensational than the other, but that shouldn't make it more important.

This actually started with this post:


If ISIS did this in Chicago in 2019, what policies would be discussed?

https://i.imgur.com/mQ3KDXH.jpg

Shooting deaths are ok as long as they don't come in large groups, just sneak a few in now and then especially in poor black communities... that's their problem. right?

You guys won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. It's your flowers in the attic.

Which is the very first I responded to. I took the "You guys" to mean not here specifically, but the left/media in general (although it mirrors the constant Chicago! outcries in this forum). Apologies it that was not the case.

And I do draw a distinction. We largely *do* understand the problematic of violence in big cities. There are very specific factors for it, and certain cities have/had policies that largely reduced it. I would argue that the reason Chicago today is like New York or LA once were is not that we don't understand the dynamics there, it's just that leadership, be it at the city, state or both levels, have repeatedly failed to install and carry through the necessary policies to bring order.

IMO, mass shootings are a completely different ballgame. Yeah, end result might be the same, but when you get down to the nitty gritty of motive, prevention, what kind of policies you could install to address it, we're much more in the dark. There always seem to be some red flag here and there looking in hindsight, but we're not talking about career criminals here (which is much more common in city violence), but first time offenders dialing it up to 11.

[MultiTroll]

Excellent interview with previous recent girlfriend
Adelia Johnson and ex bandmate.


https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/dayton-shooting-former-bandmate-girlfriend-cut-ties-with-betts-before-mass-shooting/vkAVbaDcSQfAfSGpRWWLuJ/

[boutons_deux]

Trump and his aides go on bizarre attack after hospital visit over something that didn’t happen

President Donald Trump and the White House are outraged — but it’s not actually clear what is fueling their anger.

the president’s aides went on the attack against Democratic Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley.

While it’s not unusual for Trump and his team to lash out at critics,

these remarks were particularly bizarre,

because Brown and Whaley didn’t say anything that contradicted Scavino’s claims.

Whaley and Brown have both been critical of the president,

so it’s not too surprising that the White House would target them.

But they did not criticize him for his actual appearance in the hospital, which is what Trump and aides are now bizarrely fixated on.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trump-and-his-aides-go-on-bizarre-attack-after-hospital-visit-over-something-that-didnt-happen/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1064 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trump-and-his-aides-go-on-bizarre-attack-after-hospital-visit-over-something-that-didnt-happen/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1064)

punching and fighting gratuitously to inflame Trash's inflammable racist cult mob

[MultiTroll]

Ya and all they said was get a gun bill going.
Which is like, wtf would anyone oppose further background checks to purchase a gun?

Loonacy.
Trumps on the NRA payroll.

[Spurminator]

Bottom shelf troll excuse. You were sock puppet supporting your own threads.

:lol "Supporting" my own threads? For what purpose?

I strike you as someone who backs away from conflict and someone who gives a shit about whether my rare threads get responses.

I think you're projecting your own insecurities, tbh. Whatever my motivations for having an alt, I'm secure in the fact that I've never sought information to "out" an alt or poster who annoyed me. That's what you did. And it still gets under your skin two years later.


If you want to display the flamboyant gay, just be yourself.

Bottom shelf insult attempt. Derpish.

[Thread]

Trump and his aides go on bizarre attack after hospital visit over something that didn’t happen

President Donald Trump and the White House are outraged — but it’s not actually clear what is fueling their anger.

the president’s aides went on the attack against Democratic Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley.

While it’s not unusual for Trump and his team to lash out at critics,

these remarks were particularly bizarre,

because Brown and Whaley didn’t say anything that contradicted Scavino’s claims.

Whaley and Brown have both been critical of the president,

so it’s not too surprising that the White House would target them.

But they did not criticize him for his actual appearance in the hospital, which is what Trump and aides are now bizarrely fixated on.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trump-and-his-aides-go-on-bizarre-attack-after-hospital-visit-over-something-that-didnt-happen/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1064 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trump-and-his-aides-go-on-bizarre-attack-after-hospital-visit-over-something-that-didnt-happen/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1064)

punching and fighting gratuitously to inflame Trash's inflammable racist cult mob




He cleaned both their fuckin' clocks & they had it comin'.

[Splits]

Excellent interview with previous recent girlfriend
Adelia Johnson and ex bandmate.


https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/dayton-shooting-former-bandmate-girlfriend-cut-ties-with-betts-before-mass-shooting/vkAVbaDcSQfAfSGpRWWLuJ/

Damn. If this is really her account and she knew him as well as she thinks she did, this one can definitely be chalked up to "mentally ill". Like the opposite of the El Paso terrorist.

[KenMcCoy]

Damn. If this is really her account and she knew him as well as she thinks she did, this one can definitely be chalked up to "mentally ill". Like the opposite of the El Paso terrorist.

Left - Mentally Ill = OK
Right - Mentally Ill = Terrorist

I think it's safe to say that anyone who would kill another person outside of self-defense, defense of others, or defense of property, is mentally ill.

[DMC]

:lol "Supporting" my own threads? For what purpose?

It's your thread and your sock puppet. Why are you asking me?


I strike you as someone who backs away from conflict and someone who gives a shit about whether my rare threads get responses.

You created a sock puppet to avoid conflict head on, and now you project.


I think you're projecting your own insecurities, tbh. Whatever my motivations for having an alt, I'm secure in the fact that I've never sought information to "out" an alt or poster who annoyed me. That's what you did. And it still gets under your skin two years later.

:lmao that's what you just did. It doesn't get under my skin. It's a sore spot for you, and I like putting some salt in the wound now and again.



Bottom shelf insult attempt. Derpish.
Oh another cute nickname ad hom.
Your image here was tarnished by your own doing. Don't blame others for your choices.

[DMC]

This actually started with this post:



Which is the very first I responded to. I took the "You guys" to mean not here specifically, but the left/media in general (although it mirrors the constant Chicago! outcries in this forum). Apologies it that was not the case.

And I do draw a distinction. We largely *do* understand the problematic of violence in big cities. There are very specific factors for it, and certain cities have/had policies that largely reduced it. I would argue that the reason Chicago today is like New York or LA once were is not that we don't understand the dynamics there, it's just that leadership, be it at the city, state or both levels, have repeatedly failed to install and carry through the necessary policies to bring order.

IMO, mass shootings are a completely different ballgame. Yeah, end result might be the same, but when you get down to the nitty gritty of motive, prevention, what kind of policies you could install to address it, we're much more in the dark. There always seem to be some red flag here and there looking in hindsight, but we're not talking about career criminals here (which is much more common in city violence), but first time offenders dialing it up to 11.

I'm fine with differentiating the two types of mass shootings. I'm not fine with pretending one is the end of mankind as we know it while the other is business as usual.

[ElNono]

I'm fine with differentiating the two types of mass shootings. I'm not fine with pretending one is the end of mankind as we know it while the other is business as usual.

I don't think either is the end of mankind. However, crime in dangerous areas have been 'business as usual' for a long, long time, due to well known policy failures. It is logical to a degree that the combination of gangs, drug trade, guns, poverty, social exclusion, etc does tend to result in high crime rates. It's not really that dissimilar with 'collateral' civilian casualties in war zone bombings, etc. It's a war zone. The expectation, however, is that moving away from those areas would lead to certain degree of safety from those incidents, and this is where mass shootings are disruptive.

Just like lowering the bar and generalizing to "guns are the problem" is a lazy intellectual approach, attempting to bulk them all together when we know they're different problematics that require different solutions, is lazy too.

[DMC]

I don't think either is the end of mankind. However, crime in dangerous areas have been 'business as usual' for a long, long time, due to well known policy failures. It is logical to a degree that the combination of gangs, drug trade, guns, poverty, social exclusion, etc does tend to result in high crime rates. It's not really that dissimilar with 'collateral' civilian casualties in war zone bombings, etc. It's a war zone. The expectation, however, is that moving away from those areas would lead to certain degree of safety from those incidents, and this is where mass shootings are disruptive.

Just like lowering the bar and generalizing to "guns are the problem" is a lazy intellectual approach, attempting to bulk them all together when we know they're different problematics that require different solutions, is lazy too.
Let's look at the real reason people are more freaked out... They cannot avoid it by avoiding the city where it happens. It's the "might happen to me" aspect that scares people. It's not really the "many people die" aspect. This is what you allude to above.

This is the same reasoning I use so I understand it completely. It's why I have a CHL.

[Trill Clinton]

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