Mass shooting in Dayton Ohio bar

[Trill Clinton]

Another one

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[Pelicans78]

Hezbollah claims responsibility.

[Xevious]

Jesus Christ

[Trill Clinton]

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[spurraider21]

part and parcel of living in the US

if you dont like regular mass shootings, leave

[Winehole23]

part and parcel of living in the US

if you dont like regular mass shootings, leaveso says ducks, so say we all.

[ducks]

Guns are illegal at bars in every state

[ducks]

And record numbers tell last month entering the USA illegally

[AaronY]

And record numbers tell last month entering the USA illegally
How is this relevant?

[Winehole23]

How is this relevant?Undocumented immigrants authorize mass slaughter anywhere.

QED

[Othyus Lalanne]

part and parcel of living in the US

if you dont like regular mass shootings, leave

It will stay a popular destination.

[Xevious]

How is this relevant?

Deflection

[ElNono]

How is this relevant?

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7b1iEuTwIj47n8c/giphy.gif

[Trainwreck2100]

cops responded in 1 minute, but if only there was a good guy with a gun, he could have definitely responded in 46 seconds

[Thread]

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Damn, TC, I pooped out once & again. Once & again you won.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/amjadsalimkhan/status/1157944664772599808?s=19

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/shanemadej/status/1157912206136098816?s=19

This is PATHETIC. We have more manufactured guns than people in America. But you know, 2nd amendment rights and NRA's right to make a bloody dollar. :rolleyes

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/KellyScaletta/status/1158000937660768258?s=19

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/shanemadej/status/1157912206136098816?s=19

This is PATHETIC. We have more manufactured guns than people in America. But you know, 2nd amendment rights and NRA's right to make a bloody dollar. :rolleyes

You ain't gettin' the guns, dad. Uh, uh.

[benefactor]

Guns are illegal at bars in every state
Because letting people get drunk with firearms on them is a great idea

[Pelicans78]

You ain't gettin' the guns, dad. Uh, uh.

Your arrogance blinds you. If the government wants to take the guns, they’ll do it.

[Thread]

Because letting people get drunk with firearms on them is a great idea

Don't give me that shit. The parking lot is full of (guns), 4,000 lb guns, but, we accept that because it's (commerce).

[Thread]

Your arrogance blinds you. If the government wants to take the guns, they’ll do it.

Nah, as long as we got 'em, they ain't got enough (bachelors) to risk comin' & gettin' 'em.

[da_suns_fan]

See ya next time.

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/shanemadej/status/1157912206136098816?s=19

This is PATHETIC. We have more manufactured guns than people in America. But you know, 2nd amendment rights and NRA's right to make a bloody dollar. :rolleyes

It's definitely an epidemic here, but I don't like this "meme" because it considers a "mass shooting" any event in which there were 5 or more people injured. This makes it seem like there was 249 Columbine style shootings when most of them were of the gang shooting variety. No way in Hell has Brazil only had 1 of those types of shootings.

Again, I agree we lead the world in "disgruntled piece-of-shit shooting up a soft-target in cold blood" type of shootings, but this meme doesn't clearly present the facts. Gang shootings are also terrible and result in innocent deaths, but they obviously don't have the same kind of social impact as Columbine style shootings.

[Pavlov]

Nah, as long as we got 'em, they ain't got enough (bachelors) to risk comin' & gettin' 'em.How many guns do you own?

[Thread]

How many guns do you own?

None. I was born under a lucky star.

[DarrinS]

https://twitter.com/shanemadej/status/1157912206136098816?s=19

This is PATHETIC. We have more manufactured guns than people in America. But you know, 2nd amendment rights and NRA's right to make a bloody dollar. :rolleyes


The number is 22. Still unacceptably high, but no need to grossly exaggerate it.

[Pavlov]

The number is 22. Still unacceptably high, but no need to grossly exaggerate it.Whose definition are you using, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Whose definition are you using, Darrin?

AP/USA Today/Northeastern University mass murder database

[Pavlov]

AP/USA Today/Northeastern University mass murder databaseSo you don't consider Gilroy a mass shooting?

I do. Maybe I'm grossly exaggerating....

[DarrinS]

So you don't consider Gilroy a mass shooting?

I do. Maybe I'm grossly exaggerating....


I do too, but you only get into hundreds of incidents when you loosen the definition and include things like drive-by's, etc. Do you think there have been over 200 events in 2019 of the type that happened yesterday?

[Pavlov]

I do too, but if you only get into hundreds of incidents when you loosen the definition and include things like drive-by's, etc. Do you think there have been over 200 events in 2019 of the type that happened yesterday?Why wouldn't I include things like drive-bys? If a bunch of people got shot, it's a mass shooting. You want to limit the number to "mass killings" as defined by the above mentioned institutions, not shootings. I find it incredibly odd to not count an incident if, say, a thousand people get shot and only three people die.



El Paso has the distinction of also being domestic terrorism, and that's very much notable.

[Thread]

Why wouldn't I include things like drive-bys? If a bunch of people got shot, it's a mass shooting. You want to limit the number to "mass killings" as defined by the above mentioned institutions, not shootings. I find it incredibly odd to not count an incident if, say, a thousand people get shot and only three people die.



El Paso has the distinction of also being domestic terrorism, and that's very much notable.

...only because:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[DarrinS]

Why wouldn't I include things like drive-bys? If a bunch of people got shot, it's a mass shooting. You want to limit the number to "mass killings" as defined by the above mentioned institutions, not shootings. I find it incredibly odd to not count an incident if, say, a thousand people get shot and only three people die.



El Paso has the distinction of also being domestic terrorism, and that's very much notable.


I think a distinction can be made between mass shooting where the shooter knows none of their victims.

[Pavlov]

I think a distinction can be made between mass shooting where the shooter knows none of their victims.Sure, I just did that myself.

They're still all mass shootings though. Some dude decides the solution to whatever is shooting a bunch of people. There are all kinds of reasons that a shooting doesn't become a murder. There are probably much fewer deaths these days because of advances in emergency medicine, for example. Still got shot though -- so I'm counting those.

[Spurminator]

I generally agree there's no need to exaggerate the number and definition of mass shootings for impact. 22, if that's really the number, is still extraordinary. Imagine if there had been 22 radical Islamic motivated shootings of this kind in one year. We'd have already bombed several countries.

[Pavlov]

I generally agree there's no need to exaggerate the number and definition of mass shootings for impact. 22, if that's really the number, is still extraordinary. Imagine if there had been 22 radical Islamic motivated shootings of this kind in one year. We'd have already bombed several countries.Right. To take that further, imagine 200 Islamic shootings that killed three or fewer people but wounded more.

I'm counting all of them because the perp in every case decided to shoot a bunch of people, which should be a core issue if not THE core issue. Not counting an incident because of luck or bad aim or a jammed gun or quick police/security/armed citizen response or good medical care is missing the point.

[boutons_deux]

Fox & Friends host Pete Hegseth calls it a ‘great day’ hours after 29 die in two mass shootings

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Grabien-Harris_Faulkner-407137.jpg

Fox News was running segments focusing on the “crisis at the border” and a Navy SEAL charity swim.

“More Fox & friends on the other side on this great day,” Hegseth announced.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/fox-friends-pete-hegseth-host-calls-it-a-great-day-hours-after-29-die-in-two-mass-shootings/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/fox-friends-pete-hegseth-host-calls-it-a-great-day-hours-after-29-die-in-two-mass-shootings/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[midnightpulp]

I generally agree there's no need to exaggerate the number and definition of mass shootings for impact. 22, if that's really the number, is still extraordinary. Imagine if there had been 22 radical Islamic motivated shootings of this kind in one year. We'd have already bombed several countries.

Yep. I don't like the meme of the 249 because if gives the right more "ammo" to run their fake news, liberals lie deflections. 22 is an unacceptable amount in a country that wants to consider itself "the shining city upon the hill" or whatever. Even 1 is a fuckin' unacceptable amount.

[Spurminator]

Right. To take that further, imagine 200 Islamic shootings that killed three or fewer people but wounded more.

I'm counting all of them because the perp in every case decided to shoot a bunch of people, which should be a core issue if not THE core issue. Not counting an incident because of luck or bad aim or a jammed gun or quick police/security/armed citizen response or good medical care is missing the point.

Totally fair to count them all too, but to midnightpulp's point, the chart isn't particularly useful if the definitions are different by country.

[Pavlov]

Totally fair to count them all too, but to midnightpulp's point, the chart isn't particularly useful if the definitions are different by country.Oh, I agree there. I don't think we have to compare ourselves to anyone to see we have a problem with mass shootings. It's hard enough to agree on definitions for this country much less cataloging them for others.

[Winehole23]

Three ideologically motivated mass killings in one week.

Will white people disavow white nationalist terror by name?

All the posters who carped about the importance of saying "radical Islamist terror" seem to be mincing around the common thread today.

[Thread]

Three ideologically motivated mass killings in one week.

Will white people disavow white nationalist terror by name?

All the posters who carped about the importance of saying "radical Islamist terror" seem to be mincing around the common thread today.

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Pavlov]

Three ideologically motivated mass killings in one week.

Will white people disavow white nationalist terror by name?

All the posters who carped about the importance of saying "radical Islamist terror" seem to be mincing around the common thread today.They are in flat out denial doing everything they can to talk about anything but the actual domestic terror incident.

[dabom6]

It's definitely an epidemic here, but I don't like this "meme" because it considers a "mass shooting" any event in which there were 5 or more people injured. This makes it seem like there was 249 Columbine style shootings when most of them were of the gang shooting variety. No way in Hell has Brazil only had 1 of those types of shootings.

Again, I agree we lead the world in "disgruntled piece-of-shit shooting up a soft-target in cold blood" type of shootings, but this meme doesn't clearly present the facts. Gang shootings are also terrible and result in innocent deaths, but they obviously don't have the same kind of social impact as Columbine style shootings.

You need to stop trying to be the smartest person in the room. It gets people like orange shit elected. You need to use your energy better. What is your goal? Work for it. Stick to it.

[Thread]

You need to stop trying to be the smartest person in the room. It gets people like orange shit elected. You need to use your energy better. What is your goal? Work for it. Stick to it.

...& it's successful...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Splits]

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[DarrinS]

Did he kill his own sister?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/connor-betts-24-idd-as-dayton-ohio-shooter

[Thread]

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Mornin', fart-face.

[Pavlov]

Did he kill his own sister?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/connor-betts-24-idd-as-dayton-ohio-shooterAnd her boyfriend in a car.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/megan-and-connor.jpg

[DarrinS]

Did he kill his own sister?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/connor-betts-24-idd-as-dayton-ohio-shooter

From same link

"Betts did not have a criminal record except for minor traffic violations. An initial sweep of his known social media profiles show no obvious link to any extremist ideology"

[Thread]

And her boyfriend in a car.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/megan-and-connor.jpg

Mornin', Pav's.

[DarrinS]

Registered Dem


https://greene.ohioboe.com/apps/vtrpolldetails.aspx?idnum=212004

[DarrinS]

Registered Dem


https://greene.ohioboe.com/apps/vtrpolldetails.aspx?idnum=212004

Not that it matters

[Pavlov]

What a relief -- this mass killing doesn't seem to be domestic terrorism like the other mass killing!

Yipee!

ETA: I guess he could still be antifa.

[LkrFan]

Did he kill his own sister?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/connor-betts-24-idd-as-dayton-ohio-shooter

Did he? Womp Womp

[Thread]

What a relief -- this mass killing doesn't seem to be domestic terrorism like the other mass killing!

Yipee!

ETA: I guess he could still be antifa.

Hope, hope.

[spurraider21]

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valid point imo

[ducks]

Rep. McCarthy Suggests Video Games Played Part in Mass Shootings

[spurraider21]

Rep. McCarthy Suggests Video Games Played Part in Mass Shootings
copy this into more threads

[Will Hunting]

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:lmao he looks like a real winner

[ducks]

Looks better then you

[DarrinS]

Looks better then you

than

[spurraider21]

than
low hanging poultry tbh

[Spurminator]

That's a classic m'lady incel if I've ever seen one.

[da_suns_fan]

Did he kill his own sister?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/connor-betts-24-idd-as-dayton-ohio-shooter

Sexually repressed. Resented her for the social life that he didnt have.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Because letting people get drunk with firearms on them is a great idea

:lmao

[ducks]

Sexually repressed. Resented her for the social life that he didnt have.

Her tits bigger then his cock

[DMC]

part and parcel of living in the US

if you dont like regular mass shootings, leave

You really do try too hard to be pithy here and fail most often.

[DMC]

:lmao he looks like a real winner

I can relate, I usually die in seconds after entering a COD death match. (cue Philo with "irony" related comment).

[DMC]

Sexually repressed. Resented her for the social life that he didnt have.

Or he was fucking her.

[pgardn]

I dont see how so much can be assumed based on his looks.
And Im one good looking fella.

sister stuff is weird...

[DarrinS]

I dont see how so much can be assumed based on his looks.
And Im one good looking fella.

sister stuff is weird...


Surprised no one is analyzing the patches on his vest.

[Trill Clinton]

Registered Dem


https://greene.ohioboe.com/apps/vtrpolldetails.aspx?idnum=212004

Still a SAWM

[pgardn]

Surprised no one is analyzing the patches on his vest.

Against all Gods

on one of them...

Not gonna go over well with Chris and seems to be an acceptable theme for ST.

[spurraider21]

You really do try too hard to be pithy here and fail most often.
what does my ankle taste like?

[DarrinS]

what does my ankle taste like?

Kosher meatballs, tbh

[DMC]

CHICAGO (CBS)– At least three people were killed and 40 were wounded in weekend shootings across Chicago.

This weekend total includes four shootings on August 2, 12 shootings on August 3 and five shootings on August 4.

There were two mass shootings overnight in Chicago — both in the West Side’s Lawndale neighborhood.

RELATED: Police Supt. Johnson: Overnight West Side Gun Violence Was ‘Unacceptable And Disheartening’

The latest shooting happened at 18th and Keeler Avenue Sunday around 3:40 a.m. at a block party. Police said eight men were shot and one of them died at the scene.

CBS 2 talked to one of the victim’s relatives outside the hospital. Keith Flowers said his 33-year-old son was killed.

He said his son had just gotten off work and went to hang out with some friends when someone pulled up in a car and shot them.

[Pavlov]

DeflectMC

[Thread]

CHICAGO (CBS)– At least three people were killed and 40 were wounded in weekend shootings across Chicago.

This weekend total includes four shootings on August 2, 12 shootings on August 3 and five shootings on August 4.

There were two mass shootings overnight in Chicago — both in the West Side’s Lawndale neighborhood.

RELATED: Police Supt. Johnson: Overnight West Side Gun Violence Was ‘Unacceptable And Disheartening’

The latest shooting happened at 18th and Keeler Avenue Sunday around 3:40 a.m. at a block party. Police said eight men were shot and one of them died at the scene.

CBS 2 talked to one of the victim’s relatives outside the hospital. Keith Flowers said his 33-year-old son was killed.

He said his son had just gotten off work and went to hang out with some friends when someone pulled up in a car and shot them.

Tell it, D. Testify!!!

[lefty]

That wall is really working

[Spurminator]

CHICAGO (CBS)– At least three people were killed and 40 were wounded in weekend shootings across Chicago.

This weekend total includes four shootings on August 2, 12 shootings on August 3 and five shootings on August 4.

There were two mass shootings overnight in Chicago — both in the West Side’s Lawndale neighborhood.

RELATED: Police Supt. Johnson: Overnight West Side Gun Violence Was ‘Unacceptable And Disheartening’

The latest shooting happened at 18th and Keeler Avenue Sunday around 3:40 a.m. at a block party. Police said eight men were shot and one of them died at the scene.

CBS 2 talked to one of the victim’s relatives outside the hospital. Keith Flowers said his 33-year-old son was killed.

He said his son had just gotten off work and went to hang out with some friends when someone pulled up in a car and shot them.

A good rule of thumb when you're about to post something is to check and see if someone else has basically posted the same thing or sentiment.

If so, and if that poster is *ducks*, you may want to rethink posting it. In this case, you and ducks have offered the same limp-dick attempts at changing the conversation, and both are equally retarded.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280769&page=2&p=9899328#post9899328

[DMC]

Tell it, D. Testify!!!

No one cares, Cubs. If black lives really do matter, why isn't anyone talking about it? 2 mass shootings in the same city in the same night, and that's not even unusual... yet people act like they need armed escorts to go outside because a white dipshit shot people at a Walmart or at a bar. I guess if it's commonplace, no reason to talk about it.

[DMC]

A good rule of thumb when you're about to post something is to check and see if someone else has basically posted the same thing or sentiment.

If so, and if that poster is *ducks*, you may want to rethink posting it. In this case, you and ducks have offered the same limp-dick attempts at changing the conversation, and both are equally retarded.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280769&page=2&p=9899328#post9899328

Another good rule of thumb is to go fuck your mother some more.

[spurraider21]

Another good rule of thumb is to go fuck your mother some more.
from displaying the intellect of ducks to the conversational depth of dale

[Thread]

from displaying the intellect of ducks to the conversational depth of dale

...please, not a month ago you were heralding my conversation acumen, 21, heaping praise upon the Cubby.

[spurraider21]

...please, not a month ago you were heralding my conversation acumen, 21, heaping praise upon the Cubby.
and i'm always sure to let you know when you've gone full parrot mode to shut down conversation (most recently with your Leonard shtick, now with Trump Pres not Clinton)

dont you deny it

[Thread]

and i'm always sure to let you know when you've gone full parrot mode to shut down conversation (most recently with your Leonard shtick, now with Trump Pres not Clinton)

dont you deny it

That ain't what you said when you were in the midst of the praise heapings.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/image.png

[spurraider21]

That ain't what you said when you were in the midst of the praise heapings.
here's what a said around 1 post where i said you can be a good wordsmith:


dale when things dont go his way:

https://media.tenor.com/images/505d0b03c662eb0bfb77890a9007a7ca/tenor.gif


sticking around... i mean i guess. but he's no longer engaging. just spamming leonard and florida :lol


right back into the gd turtle shell. conversation doesn't go your way? bring up some completely unrelated shit and change the conversation. grow a spine.

kawhi ditched the spurs over a year ago. his free agency escapades this year was all about the lakers. and you lost. gotta eat the shit sandiwch while its ripe and before its gone stale


if they had to make him promises like that, he lacks fortitude, and it will show when the chips are down


:lmao says the guy who lodges "florida" after any subject


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B761DvpHuBw
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[ducks]

Because letting people get drunk with firearms on them is a great idea

Duh so he is a law breaker so more laws would not have stopped him
A alarmed guard at bar might have

[Thread]

here's what a said around 1 post where i said you can be a good wordsmith:












https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B761DvpHuBw
​

& the Winester did me the same damn way. You & him heap praise upon the Cubster 1 minute, the next minute a stranger kills 30 people & I'm cast down with Andy Dufresne with the sodomites. My ass feels like a freight train just went thru it.

[spurraider21]

& the Winester did me the same damn way. You & him heap praise upon the Cubster 1 minute, the next minute a stranger kills 30 people & I'm cast down with Andy Dufresne with the sodomites. My ass feels like a freight train just went thru it.
i call it like i see it cub. when you're being a turd i'll call you one. doesn't mean i gotta blindly feel the same way about you all the time. when you act like somebody, i'll heap all the praise you deserve. but more often than not, just full parrot mode. not engaging.

[johnsmith]

Still a SAWM

What do you suppose it is Trill? I really don’t get why white guys are going nuts at such a regular clip....social inequalities? Pressure to be someone? I don’t get it and at this point in my life with 2 little kids, it bugs the shit out of me.

[DarrinS]

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/DearAuntCrabby/status/1158174680425082888?s=19

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1158118324154380289?s=19
Sounds about white. SMH

[Trill Clinton]

What do you suppose it is Trill? I really don’t get why white guys are going nuts at such a regular clip....social inequalities? Pressure to be someone? I don’t get it and at this point in my life with 2 little kids, it bugs the shit out of me.

idk tbh. i refuse to give them the mentally ill tag because they thoroughly planned out these heinous crimes, friends and families are always shocked and deny any mental illness as well. if i had to guess i'd say you're on to something with pressure to be someone. these white men are privileged and do not like being told no(eliot rodger) and don't like when something they feel belongs to them, this country or their women is put at risk by illegal mexicans and sex crazed black men. xenophia and racism is alive and stronger than ever unfortunately.

[DarrinS]

I wonder what effect social media is having on these "SAWMS"?

I don't recall so many mass shootings pre-internet.

[Thread]

I wonder what effect social media is having on these "SAWMS"?

I don't recall so many mass shootings pre-internet.

That's (commerce) fresh, unfettered commerce. Nobody will touch that except to rob some of the boodle.

[DarrinS]

That's (commerce) fresh, unfettered commerce. Nobody will touch that except to rob some of the boodle.

I remember the very early days of the internet and thinking what a force of good it could be.

Turns out, it's mostly porn, memes, and various shitposting.

[Thread]

i call it like i see it cub. when you're being a turd i'll call you one. doesn't mean i gotta blindly feel the same way about you all the time. when you act like somebody, i'll heap all the praise you deserve. but more often than not, just full parrot mode. not engaging.

But, everything was fine & dandy till this happened. Everybody loved me, I was a big shot. Then 2 guys, who happen to be white like myself fuck up & I'm left with my dick in my hand again.

The kicker? peeg too was just singing my praises & he denounced me right after the shooting stopped in Texas & he wasn't non white.

I'm a victim too!

No more big shot.

[Thread]

I remember the very early days of the internet and thinking what a force of good it could be.

Turns out, it's mostly porn, memes, and various shitposting.


& TUBI. It's been a Godsend to Cubby.

[DarrinS]

& TUBI. It's been a Godsend to Cubby.

(sigh)

[DMC]

idk tbh. i refuse to give them the mentally ill tag because they thoroughly planned out these heinous crimes, friends and families are always shocked and deny any mental illness as well. if i had to guess i'd say you're on to something with pressure to be someone. these white men are privileged and do not like being told no(eliot rodger) and don't like when something they feel belongs to them, this country or their women is put at risk by illegal mexicans and sex crazed black men. xenophia and racism is alive and stronger than ever unfortunately.

I don't think it's any of that.

I think they are suicidal types with too much digital streaming channels of whatever they feel that day suits their moods. You can be pissed at the world, but to take a rifle and go into a situation where you are almost certain to get shot, that's not just being racist or incel. That's being hopeless and ready to die, and wanting to be a name on one of those digital streaming channels in the process. I'm surprised neither of them live streamed it. I think the Ohio dude wanted to kill his sister's boyfriend and killed them both, but then decided "fuck it, I'm dead now anyhow so let me see how many I can take with me". You don't have to drive to El Paso or go to Walmart to find Mexicans. These people are triggered by the power of suggestion - someone goes on a rampage, they go on a rampage. It's not always a coincidence these events happen so close together.

The only solution is a full ban on guns but the left is too chickenshit to pursue it head on.

[DMC]

from displaying the intellect of ducks to the conversational depth of dale

You could only hope to ever achieve it. Your days here are spent looking for contradictions and spouting off one liner pithy remarks to show how grown you are now.

[spurraider21]

You could only hope to ever achieve it. Your days here are spent looking for contradictions and spouting off one liner pithy remarks to show how grown you are now.
narrative... ankle biting... all the things you pretend to complain about

[spurraider21]

if there were 3 isis attacks in the US leading to over 30 deaths within the course of a single week, i wonder what policy options would be being discussed tbh

[DarrinS]

if there were 3 isis attacks in the US leading to over 30 deaths within the course of a single week, i wonder what policy options would be being discussed tbh

You think all three are the same?

[spurraider21]

You think all three are the same?
nope

point is we only seem to care about mass murders when brown people commit them. at least care enough to try to take future preventative action

its retarded.

[Thread]

You could only hope to ever achieve it. Your days here are spent looking for contradictions and spouting off one liner pithy remarks to show how grown you are now.


DMC is right, 21. That's you in a nutshell.

[Thread]

nope

point is we only seem to care about mass murders when brown people commit them. at least care enough to try to take future preventative action

its retarded.

Please. We care more when white people commit them. That black guy who committed a mass killing a few killings back barely made the CNN.

[spurraider21]

DMC is right, 21. That's you in a nutshell.
yeah, you and DMC. shoulder to shoulder. hah.

[spurraider21]

Please. We care more when white people commit them. That black guy who committed a mass killing a few killings back barely made the CNN.
we dont do shit about it when its whitey. we flap our gums, the right blames mental illness and does jack all to help stop this shit from happening over and over.

muslim does it and we start talking about vetting/travel bans/profiling

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we dont do shit about it when its whitey. we flap our gums, the right blames mental illness and does jack all to help stop this shit from happening over and over.

muslim does it and we start talking about vetting/travel bans/profiling

But, we don't even get to flap our gums when it's a black guy. They won't tell us he's black until like 5 days later after the grease is no longer real hot.

[DarrinS]

nope

point is we only seem to care about mass murders when brown people commit them. at least care enough to try to take future preventative action

its retarded.


Seriously?

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yeah, you and DMC. shoulder to shoulder. hah.

You GD rights. You had your chance with me & blew it. Stabbed me in the back after buttering me up, making me happy. You SOB, you!!!

[spurraider21]

Seriously?
seriously.

[spurraider21]

You GD rights. You had your chance with me & blew it. Stabbed me in the back after buttering me up, making me happy. You SOB, you!!!
no blind loyalty here. you act like somebody, you get all the praise you earn.

if you're just gonna be...

6
Arn
Florida
Trump President Not Clinton

over and over... you're no fun. bring nothing to the table.

[Spurminator]

Seriously?

Seriously, seriously?

We severely cut back refugee relocation over fears of foreign terrorism.

We've ramped up our anti-immigration efforts and deported more people over fears of immigrant violence.

What have we done, tangibly, to address white nationalist terrorism?

[clambake]

But, we don't even get to flap our gums when it's a black guy. They won't tell us he's black until like 5 days later after the grease is no longer real hot.

so....you just want to rag on a black guy. nope. sorry dale.

keep dehumanizing'em dale. they see the effort, brownshirt

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no blind loyalty here. you act like somebody, you get all the praise you earn.

if you're just gonna be...

6
Arn
Florida
Trump President Not Clinton

over and over... you're no fun. bring nothing to the table.

You basted me like a Xmas turkey, both sides & then left me on the platter ass end up. I was in heaven one moment, the next in the shitter.

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so....you just want to rag on a black guy. nope. sorry dale.

keep dehumanizing'em dale. they see the effort, brownshirt

Hitler!!!

[pgardn]

DMC is right, 21. That's you in a nutshell.


DMC thinks he is Mrs. Crutchfield and Winston Churchill.
"pfarten, thats a dangling participle"

Then he clicks his teeth on his pipe and clears his throat.
Or maybe he Stands, removes his smoking jacket...

[Monostradamus]

What have we done, tangibly, to address white nationalist terrorism?
“iS tHaT eVeN a ReAl PrObLeM? ThEsE aRe IsOlAtEd LoNe WoLf InCiDeNtS! rAmPaNt WhItE SuPrEmAcY iS lEfTiSt FeArMoNgErInG!”

[spurraider21]

You basted me like a Xmas turkey, both sides & then left me on the platter ass end up. I was in heaven one moment, the next in the shitter.
thats your doing

[DarrinS]

nope

point is we only seem to care about mass murders when brown people commit them. at least care enough to try to take future preventative action

its retarded.


Seriously?


seriously.



It's as if these incidents are getting no media attention.

[ElNono]

“iS tHaT eVeN a ReAl PrObLeM? ThEsE aRe IsOlAtEd LoNe WoLf InCiDeNtS! rAmPaNt WhItE SuPrEmAcY iS lEfTiSt FeArMoNgErInG!”

"We'll do something when you do something about Miami Dade Antifa!"

[spurraider21]

It's as if these incidents are getting no media attention.
they do. and yet we do nothing. you think people in the media flapping their gums is what i meant by us taking future preventative action or talking meaningful policy to address the problem?

:lmao

[DarrinS]

“iS tHaT eVeN a ReAl PrObLeM? ThEsE aRe IsOlAtEd LoNe WoLf InCiDeNtS! rAmPaNt WhItE SuPrEmAcY iS lEfTiSt FeArMoNgErInG!”


You took all that time to make your post unreadable. Congrats.

[Monostradamus]

It's as if these incidents are getting no media attention.
smh how stupid can one asshole be

[spurraider21]

smh how stupid can one asshole be
i dont think you want to go down that rabbit hole

[ElNono]

It's as if these incidents are getting no media attention.

But he has a point, all of them get media attention. However, politicos, who actually have the responsibility and tools to do something about it, either incorporate "Chicago! Brown Immigrant killer and rapist!" to their spiel, or "Look, we don't always have all the answers. Mental health is a real problem".

It is a very real, and very distinct reaction. I don't think I have to give you quotes, you know exactly what I mean.

[DMC]

DMC thinks he is Mrs. Crutchfield and Winston Churchill.
"pfarten, thats a dangling participle"

Then he clicks his teeth on his pipe and clears his throat.
Or maybe he Stands, removes his smoking jacket...

You're a weird one.

[DarrinS]

they do. and yet we do nothing. you think people in the media flapping their gums is what i meant by us taking future preventative action or talking meaningful policy to address the problem?

:lmao


What do you suggest?

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"We'll do something when you do something about Miami Dade Antifa!"

Tell it, El. Testify!!!

[ElNono]

Tell it, El. Testify!!!

Good evening, Dale. It was sarcasm.

[DarrinS]

But he has a point, all of them get media attention. However, politicos, who actually have the responsibility and tools to do something about it, either incorporate "Chicago! Brown Immigrant killer and rapist!" to their spiel, or "Look, we don't always have all the answers. Mental health is a real problem".

It is a very real, and very distinct reaction. I don't think I have to give you quotes, you know exactly what I mean.


I've asked several times what effect social media and crazed chat rooms are having on these losers, but no one wants to talk about that.

[Pavlov]

It's as if these incidents are getting no media attention.Det pivot tho.

[Monostradamus]

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/mocking-spongebob-1556133078.jpg
YoU tOoK aLl ThAt TiMe To MaKe YoUr PoSt UnReAdAbLe. CoNgRaTs.

[Monostradamus]

I've asked several times what effect social media and crazed chat rooms are having on these losers, but no one wants to talk about that.
Oh we’re well aware you wanna talk about anything but the G word.

[Spurminator]

It's as if these incidents are getting no media attention.

Your fundamental problem is you absorb too much media, to the point where you think what's happening in the media is more consequential than law.

[DMC]

if there were 3 isis attacks in the US leading to over 30 deaths within the course of a single week, i wonder what policy options would be being discussed tbh

If ISIS did this in Chicago in 2019, what policies would be discussed?

https://i.imgur.com/mQ3KDXH.jpg

Shooting deaths are ok as long as they don't come in large groups, just sneak a few in now and then especially in poor black communities... that's their problem. right?

You guys won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. It's your flowers in the attic.

[Spurminator]

ducksMC still wants to talk about gang violence.

[ElNono]

I've asked several times what effect social media and crazed chat rooms are having on these losers, but no one wants to talk about that.

What does that has to do with differing political reactions?

But do tell us more about your social media theory. What can you tell us about it? I'm not an 4chan, 8chan, Incelchan or whatever user, and I would agree with guys like Qhris, TSA or Cosmoretard are the product of that, then that's certainly a contributing factor.

[Monostradamus]

If ISIS did this in Chicago in 2019, what policies would be discussed?

https://i.imgur.com/mQ3KDXH.jpg

Shooting deaths are ok as long as they don't come in large groups, just sneak a few in now and then especially in poor black communities... that's their problem. right?

You guys won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. It's your flowers in the attic.
Let’s increase mental health awareness there. Best possible solution :tu

[ElNono]

If ISIS did this in Chicago in 2019, what policies would be discussed?

https://i.imgur.com/mQ3KDXH.jpg

Shooting deaths are ok as long as they don't come in large groups, just sneak a few in now and then especially in poor black communities... that's their problem. right?

You guys won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. It's your flowers in the attic.

But it is discussed. It's actually used as a prima facie example of a failure in the system. It's traced down to gangs, drugs, poverty, and then those issues are the ones tackled. One thing it is not, is excused or ignored.

[DarrinS]

What does that has to do with differing political reactions?

But do tell us more about your social media theory. What can you tell us about it? I'm not an 4chan, 8chan, Incelchan or whatever user, and I would agree with guys like Qhris, TSA or Cosmoretard are the product of that, then that's certainly a contributing factor.


I don't have a theory. But there are at least two of these shootings linked to 8chan.

Is Incelchan a real thing? :lo!

[pgardn]

Good evening, Dale. It was sarcasm.

The murmurs that accompany embarrassment.
I hear them.

I feel for him, a bit.

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Good evening, Dale. It was sarcasm.

Damn, & I had my hopes up so high.

Fuck me.

[ElNono]

I don't have a theory. But there are at least two of these shootings linked to 8chan.

Is Incelchan a real thing? :lo!

There's clearly more to it than that. We all talk about a number of things, and there's certainly cowards and retards everywhere, but you can't hand over a gun over the internet. It's like the video game or TV excuses. Millions of people grew up playing games and TV (including violence), the vast majority don't act on it in real life.

Words do have an impact, however, I think we can agree on that. And that goes both for the Incelchan crowd, as it goes to politicos and public figureheads that foment hatred and violence.

[DarrinS]

There's clearly more to it than that. We all talk about a number of things, and there's certainly cowards and retards everywhere, but you can't hand over a gun over the internet. It's like the video game or TV excuses. Millions of people grew up playing games and TV (including violence), the vast majority don't act on it in real life.

Words do have an impact, however, I think we can agree on that. And that goes both for the Incelchan crowd, as it goes to politicos and public figureheads that foment hatred and violence.



Well, if you pass all background checks, you can legally get a firearm. That 2A thingy.

I just wonder if better AI can prevent certain people from acquiring them, which is another slippery slope.

[midnightpulp]

I've asked several times what effect social media and crazed chat rooms are having on these losers, but no one wants to talk about that.

They likely have a profound effect since they're negative feedback loop echo chambers where hate and even murder of the "other" is normalized and even celebrated. But the "solution" will be a draconian policing of freedom of speech, which I don't think anyone wants. I've stated in another thread that modern day America is in the middle of a mental health and addiction crisis never before seen in the country, the former of which being amplified by the Internet. The current social reality isn't the same as the 1950s social reality where there was a certain pastoral charm to a 12 year old living in the Midwest getting his first 22 rifle and using it to innocently plink cans or shoot his first turkey for dinner.

When the social reality changes, the laws need to change. Hard age minimum of at least 22 for all firearm purchases, starting with a tier 1 one license that allows for purchase of shotguns and single shot rifles. You prove yourself a responsible owner of your first gun for a year, you qualify for a tier 2 license, allowing for purchase of hand guns. Something to that effect.

[R. DeMurre]

Guns are illegal at bars in every state

Not true. You can legally carry a gun in bars or restaurants with alcohol in more than ten states, but you can't drink.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/guns-in-public/location-restrictions/

[DMC]

But it is discussed. It's actually used as a prima facie example of a failure in the system. It's traced down to gangs, drugs, poverty, and then those issues are the ones tackled. One thing it is not, is excused or ignored.

Ok, show me the threads here that discuss Chicago gang shooting and what to do about it.

[DMC]

ducksMC still wants to talk about gang violence.

Marginalizing these killings as "gang violence" doesn't detract from the fact they are mass shootings, or shootings in general. Gang affiliation is a side note.

Adam Laminator should know better.

[DMC]

Let’s increase mental health awareness there. Best possible solution :tu

Let's sweep it under the rug with a passive aggressive quip.

[DarrinS]

They likely have a profound effect since they're negative feedback loop echo chambers where hate and even murder of the "other" is normalized and even celebrated. But the "solution" will be a draconian policing of freedom of speech, which I don't think anyone wants. I've stated in another thread that modern day America is in the middle of a mental health and addiction crisis never before seen in the country, the former of which being amplified by the Internet. The current social reality isn't the same as the 1950s social reality where there was a certain pastoral charm to a 12 year old living in the Midwest getting his first 22 rifle and using it to innocently plink cans or shoot his first turkey for dinner.

When the social reality changes, the laws need to change. Hard age minimum of at least 22 for all firearm purchases, starting with a tier 1 one license that allows for purchase of shotguns and single shot rifles. You prove yourself a responsible owner of your first gun for a year, you qualify for a tier 2 license, allowing for purchase of hand guns. Something to that effect.


I'm not even a gun owner, but I live a very safe area.

Can't say I disagree with anything you posted.

[midnightpulp]

Ok, show me the threads here that discuss Chicago gang shooting and what to do about it.

The thing with Chicago is that it's just a lazy deflection. And when people use that deflection, what point are they trying to make? Do they want equal outrage from "the left" about what results from inner city gang violence vis a vis a cold blooded mass shooting? Murder in unmotivated cold blood directed at soft targets like churches and schools will always generate more outrage and fear than reading/hearing about gang violence. And yes, there's usually quite a bit of outrage when innocents are caught in gang crossfire, but the outrage is usually localized, since these stories really don't get national attention. A big story in my city was a toddler being caught in gang crossfire, and there was hang wringing for what seemed like months, the local paper and citizens calling for solutions.

[ElNono]

Well, if you pass all background checks, you can legally get a firearm. That 2A thingy.

I just wonder if better AI can prevent certain people from acquiring them, which is another slippery slope.

Let's start by acknowledging that there's big money in politics for refusing to even have gun owners take a periodic mental health test.

This is absolutely basic, but, you also have science deniers at every corner, so if the crazies are running the asylum, then let's start addressing that instead of looking for every excuse in the book to not do anything.

[Thread]

It always comes down to the guns. We can't give them up. We'd be dead meat.

So, we'll just go on as before, hoping that A. there are no more shootings, and B. if there are we ain't the one in the jackpot.

[Thread]

Let's start by acknowledging that there's big money in politics for refusing to even have gun owners take a periodic mental health test.

This is absolutely basic, but, you also have science deniers at every corner, so if the crazies are running the asylum, then let's start addressing that instead of looking for every excuse in the book to not do anything.

You ain't getting the guns, El. No.

[Thread]

The thing with Chicago is that it's just a lazy deflection. And when people use that deflection, what point are they trying to make? Do they want equal outrage from "the left" about what results from inner city gang violence vis a vis a cold blooded mass shooting? Murder in unmotivated cold blood directed at soft targets like churches and schools will always generate more outrage and fear than reading/hearing about gang violence. And yes, there's usually quite a bit of outrage when innocents are caught in gang crossfire, but the outrage is usually localized, since these stories really don't get national attention. A big story in my city was a toddler being caught in gang crossfire, and there was hang wringing for what seemed like months, the local paper and citizens calling for solutions.

It's the truth & comes in so handy at times like this.

[midnightpulp]

It's the truth & comes in so handy at times like this.

Don't deny that truth, but what is the point of mentioning it? What are you trying to achieve by mentioning that point? That gangs fighting each other over drug markets result in deaths? Water is wet. Mass shootings at soft targets are a different phenomenon.

[DarrinS]

Let's start by acknowledging that there's big money in politics for refusing to even have gun owners take a periodic mental health test.

This is absolutely basic, but, you also have science deniers at every corner, so if the crazies are running the asylum, then let's start addressing that instead of looking for every excuse in the book to not do anything.


I was with up to "deniers"

[ElNono]

Ok, show me the threads here that discuss Chicago gang shooting and what to do about it.

I'll do you one better, I'll give you the Chicago Tribune tracker on the POTUS using Chicago entirely for political gain:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-trump-tweets-quotes-chicago-htmlstory.html

And so, we can't claim there's no awareness to the situation there. A cursory 'violence problematic in chicago' google search will give you both thorough reporting, statistics and plenty of coverage.

The fallacy is to say "look at Chicago!" as if that's the bar. That's the bottom right now, just like New York or LA were at some point in time.

[pgardn]

It always comes down to the guns. We can't give them up. We'd be dead meat.

So, we'll just go on as before, hoping that A. there are no more shootings, and B. if there are we ain't the one in the jackpot.

What exactly is going to kill you... and me I guess?

[Thread]

Don't deny that truth, but what is the point of mentioning it? What are you trying to achieve by mentioning that point? That gangs fighting each other over drug markets result in deaths? Water is wet. Mass shootings at soft targets are a different phenomenon.

It muddies the water from yesterday, gives us a toe hold for the climb back up. It's all a game, midst. Media is trying to marshal all factors to beat Trump next November. I'm trying to marshal all factors to thwart Media and get another 4 years. We will BOTH use any means at our disposal.

[Thread]

What exactly is going to kill you... and me I guess?

(law enforcement)

[ElNono]

I was with up to "deniers"

Look, I had some poster here complain that if he had to go get a mental health check every X years, then he was going to doubt if the doctor had ulterior motives, should a test came back with a red flag. Goes without saying this is a guy that loves to hop into all this conspiratard theories. Calling a person like that a science denier, I would argue, is being fairly kind.

[Thread]

Look, I had some poster here complain that if he had to go get a mental health check every X years, then he was going to doubt if the doctor had ulterior motives, should a test came back with a red flag. Goes without saying this is a guy that loves to hop into all this conspiratard theories. Calling a person like that a science denier, I would argue, is being fairly kind.

& what's stopping that (doctor) from fudging the protocol? "Mildred, I owe it to my country."

No fuckin' way, El. No.

[ElNono]

You ain't getting the guns, El. No.

I don't want anybody's guns. What I want is to make sure that your depression after 8 years with no playoffs isn't a factor to get you to kill your loved ones, yourself or any other random people. Seems fairly logical, tbh

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I don't want anybody's guns. What I want is to make sure that your depression after 8 years with no playoffs isn't a factor to get you to kill your loved ones, yourself or any other random people. Seems fairly logical, tbh

They were selling your shit, El.

[DarrinS]

Look, I had some poster here complain that if he had to go get a mental health check every X years, then he was going to doubt if the doctor had ulterior motives, should a test came back with a red flag. Goes without saying this is a guy that loves to hop into all this conspiratard theories. Calling a person like that a science denier, I would argue, is being fairly kind.


Fair enough

As someone who studies patterns, trends, machine learning, etc., we sadly have a large enough dataset to start figuring out what factors are contributing to these atrocities. Seems like a worthy endeavour.

[ElNono]

& what's stopping that (doctor) from fudging the protocol? "Mildred, I owe it to my country."

No fuckin' way, El. No.

^^^ this is what I'm talking about.

I tell you what Dale, let's codify you can get a 2nd and even a 3rd opinion, within a reasonable timeframe. We'll also give doctors 3 strikes. After the 3rd time they approved somebody and they ended up shooting a place up, they're both criminally and civilly liable.

We can work this out, it doesn't have to be black and white. But what we're doing is way better than sitting idle.

[DarrinS]

Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.

[midnightpulp]

I'll do you one better, I'll give you the Chicago Tribune tracker on the POTUS using Chicago entirely for political gain:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-trump-tweets-quotes-chicago-htmlstory.html

And so, we can't claim there's no awareness to the situation there. A cursory 'violence problematic in chicago' google search will give you both thorough reporting, statistics and plenty of coverage.

The fallacy is to say "look at Chicago!" as if that's the bar. That's the bottom right now, just like New York or LA were at some point in time.

Funny thing is that Chicago isn't even experiencing some unprecedented level of violence per their history.

https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-03-at-5.46.24-PM-720x0-c-default.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Chicago_Homicide_Rate.svg/750px-Chicago_Homicide_Rate.svg.png

And conservatives won't patronize solutions there, either. We have proof of concept on what reduces gangs warring over black markets. A repeal of prohibition. But tell conservatives you want to make illicit drugs legal (where they can be regulated, taxed, and better controlled) and you'll get a "think of the children" response as they take yet another donation from Big Pharma.

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Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.

Yes, but, they don't get that little tingle in their balloon knot otherwise.

[ElNono]

Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.

Sure. However, it's clearly more difficult to address this problematic if indeed you are a white nationalist that frames non-white nationalists as the enemy.

[Thread]

Sure. However, it's clearly more difficult to address this problematic if indeed you are a white nationalist that frames non-white nationalists as the enemy.

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[DarrinS]

Sure. However, it's clearly more difficult to address this problematic if indeed you are a white nationalist that frames non-white nationalists as the enemy.

(Sigh)

[midnightpulp]

Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.

Whatever he is, his rhetoric is unacceptable from a holder of public office. Running on anti-illegal, "build that wall" platform could only result in stirring up very ugly sentiment in the base. Every other president just shut the fuck up about it and tightened border security without the fanfare. Obama, ironically, was probably the strictest president of the past 30 years on illegal immigration with record number of deportations, but there was no "fall out," because he didn't politicize it. It's not border security that people have a problem with, it's the rhetoric. Oh, and to take Obama to task for politicizing shit, I didn't like his response to the Trayvon situation, saying if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. When a politician goes there, he's basically suggesting a "group preference" that can only serve to alienate citizens not in that group. It's no surprise Latino minority citizens feel similarly alienated as Trump has made it abundantly clear which group he prefers.

[boutons_deux]

BBC got a vid from the cops

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49230873/ohio-shooting-cctv-captures-moment-of-attack

[ElNono]

(Sigh)

Am I wrong? You base your campaign on how the brownies are sending rapists and murderers, and much rather take immigrants from Norway.

What is one to derive from that? Clearly, the issue isn't immigration.

[DarrinS]

Whatever he is, his rhetoric is unacceptable from a holder of public office. Running on anti-illegal, "build that wall" platform could only result in stirring up very ugly sentiment in the base. Every other president just shut the fuck up about it and tightened border security without the fanfare. Obama, ironically, was probably the strictest president of the past 30 years on illegal immigration with record number of deportations, but there was no "fall out," because he didn't politicize it. It's not border security that people have a problem with, it's the rhetoric. Oh, and to take Obama to task for politicizing shit, I didn't like his response to the Trayvon situation, saying if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. When a politician goes there, he's basically suggesting a "group preference" that can only serve to alienate citizens not in that group. It's no surprise Latino minority citizens feel similarly alienated as Trump has made it abundantly clear which group he prefers.


I don't dismiss his rhetoric, but it doesn't account for events that precede him. He's a very easy blame.

[DarrinS]

Am I wrong? You base your campaign on how the brownies are sending rapists and murderers, and much rather take immigrants from Norway.

What is one to derive from that? Clearly, the issue isn't immigration.


Being tough on illegal immigration was once a mainstream/centrist platform by both parties.

[Thread]

Being tough on illegal immigration was once a mainstream/centrist platform by both parties.

Tell it, Darrin. Testify!!!

[Thread]

Whatever he is, his rhetoric is unacceptable from a holder of public office. Running on anti-illegal, "build that wall" platform could only result in stirring up very ugly sentiment in the base. Every other president just shut the fuck up about it and tightened border security without the fanfare. Obama, ironically, was probably the strictest president of the past 30 years on illegal immigration with record number of deportations, but there was no "fall out," because he didn't politicize it. It's not border security that people have a problem with, it's the rhetoric. Oh, and to take Obama to task for politicizing shit, I didn't like his response to the Trayvon situation, saying if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. When a politician goes there, he's basically suggesting a "group preference" that can only serve to alienate citizens not in that group. It's no surprise Latino minority citizens feel similarly alienated as Trump has made it abundantly clear which group he prefers.

Tell it, midst. Testify!!!

[ElNono]

Being tough on illegal immigration was once a mainstream/centrist platform by both parties.

Being a xenophobe is not being 'tough on immigration', we need to be clear here. Like I said, according to him, immigrants from Norway are a-ok. So that's not 'tough on immigration', that's clearly something else.

Obviously, it's not just him and only him. Everything adds or subtracts towards a solution, and rhetoric like that never helps.

[Thread]

Being a xenophobe is not being 'tough on immigration', we need to be clear here. Like I said, according to him, immigrants from Norway are a-ok. So that's not 'tough on immigration', that's clearly something else.

Obviously, it's not just him and only him. Everything adds or subtracts towards a solution, and rhetoric like that never helps.

Because like He also said:::these shit holes aren't sending us their best. They're sending us their worst. How does it benefit us to take in their worst when we can take Sweden's worst. Sweden's worst is better than the shit hole's worst I guarantee you that.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/67604442_2175346545924696_1345254645542420480_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnbUJj69hiiVeVbgbS6dit7NAtcNWzVkr8k4oFc0Gq UXqq2jQuawpz14ItftURo5Z1BPlyECWoO1v6_lub8b-pJ&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&tp=1&oh=4f3dcbfee76d5ff05516fc1c5e9e260e&oe=5DA4E489

[DarrinS]

Being a xenophobe is not being 'tough on immigration', we need to be clear here. Like I said, according to him, immigrants from Norway are a-ok. So that's not 'tough on immigration', that's clearly something else.

Obviously, it's not just him and only him. Everything adds or subtracts towards a solution, and rhetoric like that never helps.


Well, the H1B visa (you may have one), is reserved for foreign nationals with specific education and/or skills.

I would differentiate those folks from randos crossing our border illegally.

[midnightpulp]

I don't dismiss his rhetoric, but it doesn't account for events that precede him. He's a very easy blame.

He should be blamed for his rhetoric. I'm okay with unpolitical comments and humor, but leaders should really never "go there." Save that shit for comedians and talk show hosts. Trump knew exactly what sentiment he was appealing to with his shithole country and Norway remarks. Do I think he's a racist? Probably not. The guy is a career hustler and just spouting shit to get votes, but it's dangerous rhetoric all the same. And yes, words can be dangerous. Pen is mightier than the sword and all that.

[ElNono]

Because like He also said:::these shit holes aren't sending us their best. They're sending us their worst. How does it benefit us to take in their worst when we can take Sweden's worst. Sweden's worst is better than the shit hole's worst I guarantee you that.

You don't know that. Italians sent their mobsters this way too. We eventually made it just fine. Half of the brownies come in through the border legally with a tourist visa and a DoS background check and overstay.


Well, the H1B visa (you may have one), is reserved for foreign nationals with specific education and/or skills.

I would differentiate those folks from randos crossing our border illegally.

Again, this isn't an immigration issue. Clearly, he didn't hate immigration when he was hiring illegals. I get that the rhetoric might impress guys like Dale, and it's politically expedient. It might be even something you personally feel that needs to be addressed. The problem with such rhetoric is that it can be easily misunderstood too.

[midnightpulp]

Because like He also said:::these shit holes aren't sending us their best. They're sending us their worst. How does it benefit us to take in their worst when we can take Sweden's worst. Sweden's worst is better than the shit hole's worst I guarantee you that.

Seems to be working out okay. In the Latino immigration era, crime has fell nationwide (crime was higher at the height of European immigration) and the American economy, despite the blips, has soldiered on. I'm not saying immigrants were responsible for these trends, just that they don't exacerbate problems like everyone thinks.

And we need the "worst," Cub. You think some degreed Swede is going to want to roof for 12 hours per day in the Arizona sun? And pampered American children ain't doing those jobs no more. Movie quote for ya:

"The world needs ditch diggers."

- Judge Smails

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1157792083333324802?s=19

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Seems to be working out okay. In the Latino immigration era, crime has fell nationwide (crime was higher at the height of European immigration) and the American economy, despite the blips, has soldiered on. I'm not saying immigrants were responsible for these trends, just that they don't exacerbate problems like everyone thinks.

And we need the "worst," Cub. You think some degreed Swede is going to want to roof for 12 hours per day in the Arizona sun? And pampered American children ain't doing those jobs no more. Movie quote for ya:

"The world needs ditch diggers."

- Judge Smails

They're breaking the law by breaking & entering this countryPERIOD

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https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1157792083333324802?s=19

No. Do not give an inch, nary one fuckin' inch. No. Uh, uh. Nothing.

The Senate & the President must remain resolutePERIOD

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Replying to @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)


The Dayton Shooter Was a Satanist, Leftist-Socialist, and a Bernie/Warren Fan, Supported Antifa!! #Antifa (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Antifa?src=hashtag_click) #AntifaTerrorists (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AntifaTerrorists?src=hashtag_click) He hated Trump, hated Republicans, was an avowed leftist, used antifa style language in his posts, and loved Elizabeth Warren!!(link: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/ (https://t.co/VrDKAiQmEX?amp=1)) redstate.com/bonchie/2019/0…

Let us proceed...

[LkrFan]

No. Do not give an inch, nary one fuckin' inch. No. Uh, uh. Nothing.

The Senate & the President must remain resolutePERIOD

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1158341719752151041?s=19

I guess this nutcase is innocent too? :lol

[Winehole23]

Scapegoating the media, warning of more stochastic violence

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[midnightpulp]

Scapegoating the media, warning of more stochastic violence

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Actually kind of a broken clock moment in a strange way, if we consider the fake news he's referring to is the drivel "reported" on Fox. MSNBC, CNN, et al have their propaganda, as well, but Fox News is simply on a stratospheric level compared to them.

[Winehole23]

"May God bless the memory of those who perished in Toledo."

[Pavlov]

"May God bless the memory of those who perished in Toledo."Biden mixed up locations too, but not so spectacularly.

:lol boomer diapers

[Splits]

"May God bless the memory of those who perished in Toledo."

Off a teleprompter? The incompetence in that place is incredible.

[Winehole23]

Biden mixed up locations too, but not so spectacularly.

:lol boomer diapersthe deaths in Houston and Toledo will not have been in vain.

[DarrinS]

Biden mixed up locations too, but not so spectacularly.

:lol boomer diapers

‘Tragic Events in Houston’ and ‘Michigan’


Seriously? :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Scapegoating the media, warning of more stochastic violence

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wow dude really just gave us another threat. he really doesn't give a fucc.

[Pavlov]

‘Tragic Events in Houston’ and ‘Michigan’


Seriously? :lolLet us not speak of Toledo....

[DarrinS]

Let us not speak of Toledo....

At least it's the right state. :lol

[Pavlov]

At least it's the right state. :lolHouston wasn't? :lol

Seriously Darrin, you try WAY too hard to defend Trump. :lol

[Winehole23]

At least it's the right state. :lollol hard right gloating about the shooter being an 8chan style misogynist edgelord instead of an 8chan style white nationalist.

[Pavlov]

lol hard right gloating about the shooter being an 8chan style misogynist edgelord instead of an 8chan style white nationalist.ONLY 2/3 OF THE MASS SHOOTING DEATHS THIS WEEKEND WERE DUE TO WHITE NATIONALIST TERRORISM

[Pavlov]

AND ENVIRONMENTALISM

[Winehole23]

Trump recommending the death penalty for hate crimes has an ominous ring to it. I wonder just what DJT thinks a hate crime is.

[DarrinS]

ONLY 2/3 OF THE MASS SHOOTING DEATHS THIS WEEKEND WERE DUE TO WHITE NATIONALIST TERRORISM

If we counted all the mass shootings you wanted to include, they would be committed overwhelmingly by non-whites.

[Winehole23]

If we counted all the mass shootings you wanted to include, they would be committed overwhelmingly by non-whites.alright, prove it

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Trump recommending the death penalty for hate crimes has an ominous ring to it. I wonder just what DJT thinks a hate crime is.

...when you sent out Antifa (in masks) the day he was sworn to break heads & start fires. The same day Madonner said she was going to blow up the WH. Those are hate crimes.

[Pavlov]

If we counted all the mass shootings you wanted to include, they would be committed overwhelmingly by non-whites.Damn Darrin, you're an apologist for right wing domestic terrorism. There is no other way to put it.

[Trill Clinton]

Trump recommending the death penalty for hate crimes has an ominous ring to it. I wonder just what DJT thinks a hate crime is.

come on man

[midnightpulp]

Damn Darrin, you're an apologist for right wing domestic terrorism. There is no other way to put it.

Expect something, something Chicago

[Pavlov]

Expect something, something ChicagoIt's fucking insane. Darrin tried to say this dude's motives were "vague" and probably due to environmentalism. I give him minor credit for actually talking about the murders, but he's just another Trump supporter trying to deflect.

[DarrinS]

Expect something, something Chicago

I was the one arguing against including shootings related to gang violence, robberies, etc.

[Winehole23]

come on manDJT probably thinks news coverage critical of him is a hate crime. I'm not sure I trust fascists to police anti-terrorism and hate crimes.

[DarrinS]

I was the one arguing against including shootings related to gang violence, robberies, etc.

And most databases that track these things, rightfully don't.

[Winehole23]

And most databases that track these things, rightfully don't.So when you blamed a majority of mass shootings on non-whites, was a folklorical observation, or is there some source that backs you up?

[Pavlov]

And most databases that track these things, rightfully don't.
Well you certainly use Chicago as a go-to distraction from almost anything else.

Meanwhile

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-82-shot-14-killed-in-chicago-4th-of-july-weekend-shootings/

Ho hum -- another weekend in Chicago.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-Year-Old-Boy-Among-13-Shot-Overnight-in-Chicago-272412981.html

Is that rightful?

[DarrinS]

So when you blamed a majority of mass shootings on non-whites, was a folklorical observation, or is there some source that backs you up?


Gang violence as folklore.

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DJT probably thinks news coverage critical of him is a hate crime. I'm not sure I trust fascists to police anti-terrorism and hate crimes.

That's why you sent out BLM & Antifa (in masks) day one of his Presidency. You've nobody to blame but yourself.

[Pavlov]

DarrinWorld:

If a gang member kills 100 people in one incident it's not a mass killing.

The El Paso shooting was mostly due to environmentalism.

Chicago violence is not to be talked about unless I want to talk about it, especially when I don't want to talk about a thread topic.

[DarrinS]

DarrinWorld:

If a gang member kills 100 people in one incident it's not a mass killing.

The El Paso shooting was mostly due to environmentalism.

Chicago violence is not to be talked about unless I want to talk about it, especially when I don't want to talk about a thread topic.

Never said that

[clambake]

That's why you sent out BLM & Antifa (in masks) day one of his Presidency. You've nobody to blame but yourself.

uh oh, dale's running off at the mouth, regurgitating this blather in every thread. caught in the hamster wheel.

[Thread]

uh oh, dale's running off at the mouth, regurgitating this blather in every thread. caught in the hamster wheel.

Oh, absolutely, daddy. & you can't stop me.

[Pavlov]

Never said thatOh, what did you say about environmentalism in connection to the El Paso shooting?

The manifesto of the El Paso shooter was nihilistic and contained all kinds of environmental screeds.
You called his manifesto "politically ambiguous":lmao

So go on the record: what do you think was the main motivation for the El Paso shooter?

[clambake]

Oh, absolutely, daddy. & you can't stop me.

i dont want to stop you from this, dale. you spew this when you hit that "i got nothin" wall.

[Thread]

i dont want to stop you from this, dale. you spew this when you hit that "i got nothin" wall.

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Splits]

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[clambake]

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ha

[spurraider21]

eh, bad timing to try to make cheap political quips, imo

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See, fart-face, she has the wherewithal to joke about it.

[Thread]

eh, bad timing to try to make cheap political quips, imo

It's never bad timing for that, 21 as long it's Trump & not Clinton.

[Spurminator]

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You had to know this was coming.

[Winehole23]

Gang violence as folklore.Folklorical handwaving, like I thought.

[Winehole23]

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You had to know this was coming.This morning Trump suggested that mentally unbalanced people be profiled and preventively detained. What could go wrong?

[boutons_deux]

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You had to know this was coming.

Murdock toilet paper NY Post, of course.

[Spurminator]

This morning Trump suggested that mentally unbalanced people be profiled and preventively detained. What could go wrong?

More talking points fodder for people who don't want to have the gun or white supremacy debates.

No point of view on how we would ever execute such an undertaking.

[Spurminator]

Murdock toilet paper NY Post, of course.

I chose one of many sources. Her comments speak for themselves.

[boutons_deux]

I chose one of many sources. Her comments speak for themselves.

shitbag Dan Patrick spewed similar shit to Fox & Friends, see El Paso thread.

[Winehole23]

More talking points fodder for people who don't want to have the gun or white supremacy debates.

No point of view on how we would ever execute such an undertaking.As we've seen with DJT's mass detention on the border and his hammer and tongs demolition of the administrative state, robust disdain of legal niceties is typical. I fully expect any DJT anti terror/hate crime measures to target the press, protesters and political adversaries.