**OFFICIAL 2020 Offseason/Draft Thread**

[phxspurfan]

Hurtz = Black Tim Tebow. NFL DBs will expose his accuracy issues

[FrostKing]

last time the packers did that they drafted aaron rodgers
And Rodgers sat the bench for 3 years

Fear the Packers in 2024

[Millennial_Messiah]

last time the packers did that they drafted aaron rodgers
But this isn't a similar scenario at all. It's not like the Packers picking Love after Rodgers has had a HOF career, or Rodgers after Favre had a HOF career there.

The Eagles picked a fucking backup in the 2nd round because their 27 year old big money QB is brittle as glass and gets his WRs injured by throwing moonballs instead of bullets... Wentz is a joke. Yeah he has a ring... from the bench on crutches.

[phxspurfan]

Also, Detroit Lions have Kerryon Johnson, Bo Scarborough and that dude they just drafted who they say can be a 3 down RB. Not sure why theyre stacking RBs instead of finding more help elsewhere (TE/OL/DL/LB)

[Holden_Caulfield]

so much for using my keeper on marlon mack or mark ingram

colts and ravens have both taken running backs in the 2nd round. guess that confirms im keeping josh jacobs

lol i have justice hill in dynasty and was hoping taylor falls to 1.11 in my rookie draft. also have paris campbell and colts took pittman fml

[spurraider21]

Trevon Diggs got to practice against Jeudy/Ruggs/Smith on a weekly basis

[Millennial_Messiah]

Like Richard Sherman, Diggs also has a WR background... ball skills... tall, rangy, great tackler, and very long arms. No dreadlocks though, unfortunately. :(

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trevon Diggs got to practice against Jeudy/Ruggs/Smith on a weekly basis
now he gets to practice against Cooper/Gallup/Lamb on a weekly basis.

[spurraider21]

now he gets to practice against Cooper/Gallup/Lamb on a weekly basis.
downgrade tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Goodell the Boo Whore

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mims the best WR in the class? Comps to DK Metcalf

[spurraider21]

Mims is a sleeper candidate... i dont know if the Jets were the best landing spot though :lol

packers just drafted a big bruising running back, AJ Dillon. this is not a 2020 pick. they needed receivers. he cant even catch out of the backfield. dude is straight up a goal line short yardage back

[Millennial_Messiah]

Goodell (on live national TV): "Go Pack Go!"

Yeah, we know. Sorry, but I wasn't living under a rock on January 11, 2015.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mims is a sleeper candidate... i dont know if the Jets were the best landing spot though :lol

packers just drafted a big bruising running back, AJ Dillon. this is not a 2020 pick. they needed receivers. he cant even catch out of the backfield. dude is straight up a goal line short yardage back
could have helped them in the philly game week 4 last year... just think, if they had him they could have played the 49ers in lambeau, which would likely have netted a much different championship game

[benefactor]

So the Pack draft Love then draft Dillon. Hey Rodgers...we just drafted your replacement. Oh yeah, start handing the ball to this guy instead of throwing. Thanks.

[FrostKing]

"They have offense for days"

Luis Riddick on national television speaking like a teenager

[Millennial_Messiah]

willie gay is willie willie gay for the gay willie tbh

[FrostKing]

Chiefs adding more "off the field issue" characters

Never change scumbag franchise

[spurraider21]

very disappointed the raiders didnt move into the 2nd round before Fulton and Mims were taken

[spurraider21]

So the Pack draft Love then draft Dillon. Hey Rodgers...we just drafted your replacement. Oh yeah, start handing the ball to this guy instead of throwing. Thanks.
its like if eddie lacy couldn't catch

[spurraider21]

Chiefs adding more "off the field issue" characters

Never change scumbag franchise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-t6tbS5waE

[FrostKing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-t6tbS5waE
Yup Bosa chokehold by KC tackle

[spurraider21]

Cardinals landed Josh Jones in the 3rd round :wow...

he was a candidate to go mid-late first. Cards wanted to go OT in the first round but when Isaiah Simmons fell they pulled the trigger. They got a first round talent OT anyway.

no second round pick because of Hopkins trade, of course. they are killing it

[Millennial_Messiah]

its like if eddie lacy couldn't catch
lacy couldn't catch. that's what starks was for

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cardinals landed Josh Jones in the 3rd round :wow...

he was a candidate to go mid-late first. Cards wanted to go OT in the first round but when Isaiah Simmons fell they pulled the trigger. They got a first round talent OT anyway.

no second round pick because of Hopkins trade, of course. they are killing it
I'd believe in them as a dark horse contender if they didn't have earl boykins as their qb

[spurraider21]

I'd believe in them as a dark horse contender if they didn't have earl boykins as their qb
Kyler was really good as a rookie. now he has hopkins

[spurraider21]

love these 2 picks for the raiders

Lynn Bowden and Brian Edwards back to back

[Millennial_Messiah]

well at least your Raiders got 2 brown chip WRs tbh after drafting a red chip one with two blue chips on the board.

[Millennial_Messiah]

304 pounds and runs in the 4.7 range... like the pick... could be 3-tech DT of the future?

[spurraider21]

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now get this man a receiver
they got this man some weapons

still dislike the Ruggs pick (not because i specifically dislike Ruggs, but because Lamb/Jeudy were just better), but this is at least a good test to see if Carr can ever snap out of his conservative streak :lol...

[Millennial_Messiah]

they got this man some weapons

still dislike the Ruggs pick (not because i specifically dislike Ruggs, but because Lamb/Jeudy were just better), but this is at least a good test to see if Carr can ever snap out of his conservative streak :lol...
the raiders offense could be better earlier than later in the season... I see Gruden sending Ruggs on a streak nearly every passing snap, as a decoy more or less, but once they figure out Carr won't throw that way unless he's wiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open, they're gonna bring more into the box and shorter hook/curl zones and just not respect the deep ball

It's like playing against alex smith

[Millennial_Messiah]

so the Patriots basically got 2 very poor man's patrick queen's on day two. These guys aren't gonna be Collins and Van Noy replacements in year 1.

[spurraider21]

the raiders offense could be better earlier than later in the season... I see Gruden sending Ruggs on a streak nearly every passing snap, as a decoy more or less, but once they figure out Carr won't throw that way unless he's wiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open, they're gonna bring more into the box and shorter hook/curl zones and just not respect the deep ball

It's like playing against alex smith
ruggs did most of his work taking slants to the house, not necessarily ripping the top off

carr led the NFL in yards on slants throws

[Millennial_Messiah]

Kyler was really good as a rookie. now he has hopkins
hopkins and then like 6 slot receivers tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

ruggs did most of his work taking slants to the house, not necessarily ripping the top off

carr led the NFL in yards on slants throws
Carr is good at slants, but problem is I think Ruggs has poor route running, especially compared to Jeudy and Lamb.

[spurraider21]

Carr is good at slants, but problem is I think Ruggs has poor route running, especially compared to Jeudy and Lamb.
he got more catches on slants than any other route.

and yeah, Ruggs is not as good a route runner as jeudy or lamb, i dont think thats in dispute. he's not going to be a 90+ catch guy

[Millennial_Messiah]

Hopefully drafting this guy Gallimore means we can finally move on from that dingle douche overpaid bum-ass Tyrone Crawford. Once and for all.....

[Millennial_Messiah]

he got more catches on slants than any other route.

and yeah, Ruggs is not as good a route runner as jeudy or lamb, i dont think thats in dispute. he's not going to be a 90+ catch guy
problem is, at the NFL level to be elite at slants against NFL corners/linebacker combo (in those hook curl zones where most slants are caught), you've got to have a bigger body to shield off the defense (or be a crafty veteran with experience)... because you're not going to get the separation against NFL speed that you do on average in college.

[spurraider21]

hoping we go corner here. either Love and Dantzler

[spurraider21]

:lmao arite this is funny

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[spurraider21]

patriots just traded up with the raiders

Fromm?

edit: Asiasi, the tight end

[benefactor]

Not gonna lie, I kinda wanted Duvernay there as a selfish pick...but more defense is never going to bother me

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao arite this is funny

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the "four hitches and a scat option" offense

[benefactor]

Duvernay to the Ravens. What a waste. Goes to a team that is last in the league in passes attempted. Have fun running jet sweeps and options.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Andy Reid wearing the same shirt as last night. Fat, old, probably hasn't showered for awhile. Probably enough calories in the grease on the inside of that shirt right now to feed a whole country in Africa.

[spurraider21]

Duvernay to the Ravens. What a waste. Goes to a team that is last in the league in passes attempted. Have fun running jet sweeps and options.
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[spurraider21]

Duvernay to the Ravens. What a waste. Goes to a team that is last in the league in passes attempted. Have fun running jet sweeps and options.
part of why they threw so little is because their only legit WR was a rookie who got hurt during the season

[Millennial_Messiah]

wait... I thought the Eagles got 2 third round comp picks this year due to losing Foles AND someone else last year?

[Millennial_Messiah]

part of why they threw so little is because their only legit WR was a rookie who got hurt during the season
Nah. we've seen it in 2 consecutive years, when push comes to shove, as flashy as lamar is, he'll never be even an average starting QB in terms of a passer. The Ravens get in trouble when they fall behind and they just can't come back because they can't throw their way back in the game.

Sure lamar will rack up the easy yards against soft zone in garbage time. But when he needs to throw the Ravens back in it when they're actually in striking distance, he takes sacks, fumbles, throws bad picks. Heck he threw the moonball against Andrews that started the whole problem in the Titans embarrassment, the kind that often gets your tight end injured, that time it got picked, and he showed his immaturity with a dumb penalty on the end of that play too... boom, 7 quick points the other way.

[benefactor]

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They are intentionally fucking with Billy at this point. No one takes him seriously as GM. I don't mind the Greenard pick though.

[benefactor]

Godell looks like he's ready to go take his Ambien and go to bed lol

[spurraider21]

Nah. we've seen it in 2 consecutive years, when push comes to shove, as flashy as lamar is, he'll never be even an average starting QB in terms of a passer. The Ravens get in trouble when they fall behind and they just can't come back because they can't throw their way back in the game.

Sure lamar will rack up the easy yards against soft zone in garbage time. But when he needs to throw the Ravens back in it when they're actually in striking distance, he takes sacks, fumbles, throws bad picks. Heck he threw the moonball against Andrews that started the whole problem in the Titans embarrassment, the kind that often gets your tight end injured, that time it got picked, and he showed his immaturity with a dumb penalty on the end of that play too... boom, 7 quick points the other way.
lamar just led the NFL in touchdown passes

hes developing

[Millennial_Messiah]

lamar just led the NFL in touchdown passes

hes developing
he did... with a *whopping* 36... in a year mahomes was injured and missed time, the rams really regressed, luck retired, rodgers was nerfed by scheme, big ben missed the season, carroll ran his RBs in to the ground (and literally to IR), and brady/brees got too damn... well, old.

I remember reading something like 24 of his 36 TD passes were from inside the red zone. So it's not like he was throwing a ton of deep strikes.

Regardless, Jackson is Michael Vick 2.0 and he has a way better defense and coaching unit than those '00s Falcons ever had. But that's what Jackson is. He'll never be some godly passer. He's an electrifying running QB with the ability to hit his first read from the pocket if it's wide open, or scramble and either run or look for a second option on the move if it's not.

[spurraider21]

he did... with a *whopping* 36... in a year mahomes was injured and missed time, the rams really regressed, luck retired, rodgers was nerfed by scheme, big ben missed the season, carroll ran his RBs in to the ground (and literally to IR), and brady/brees got too damn... well, old.

I remember reading something like 24 of his 36 TD passes were from inside the red zone. So it's not like he was throwing a ton of deep strikes.

Regardless, Jackson is Michael Vick 2.0 and he has a way better defense and coaching unit than those '00s Falcons ever had. But that's what Jackson is. He'll never be some godly passer. He's an electrifying running QB with the ability to hit his first read from the pocket if it's wide open, or scramble and either run or look for a second option on the move if it's not.
those 8 QB's (mahomes/goff/luck/rodgers/ben/wilson/brady/brees) have had a combined 12 seasons with more than 36 touchdown passes.

lamar only had 1 good wide receiver on the roster, who was a rookie that was hurt during the season. im not confusing him with brees, but he clearly developed a ton between year 1 and 2, and now he's getting another weapon

[Spurtacular]

Packers drafting a QB in the first round sticks out to me.

[spurraider21]

Packers drafting a QB in the first round sticks out to me.
Vikings are having a great draft, not just with what they are doing, but with how badly the Packers have faceplanted. the packers have had the worst draft by a significant margin. packers also gave up their 4th round pick just to move up for Love

[Spurtacular]

Vikings are having a great draft

Drafting the positions I'd prefer. I haven't spent the time to know if they're drafting the right persons. Hopefully the WR they drafted in RD1 is a speed guy in lieu of height. Diggs was our best go-route guy, and he is gone.

[spurraider21]

Drafting the positions I'd prefer. I haven't spent the time to know if they're drafting the right persons. Hopefully the WR they drafted in RD1 is a speed guy in lieu of height. Diggs was our best go-route guy, and he is gone.
Jefferson played almost all slot at LSU and won with route running, made a lot of contested catches. Reason he jumped on the draft board is because he also ran in the 4.4 range at the combine, which is faster than he showed on tape, showing that he may have more potential on the outside than previously thought.

[Spurtacular]

Jefferson played almost all slot at LSU and won with route running, made a lot of contested catches. Reason he jumped on the draft board is because he also ran in the 4.4 range at the combine, which is faster than he showed on tape, showing that he may have more potential on the outside than previously thought.

Well, Thielen is a great slot guy; but it doesn't hurt to have two. Thielen isn't really made to take a beating for 16 games on too many catches, imo.

[spurraider21]

Mayock's press conference today said that the #80 pick, Lynn Bowden will primarily be a running back to start, and if he picks that up well, they'll expand his role. He's also expected to return punts. So by their board, they have drafted 2 WR's, not 3. He also said Ruggs is expected to return kicks, which is interesting.


my grading so far

Ruggs - Correct position, simply the wrong player. I would have been OK with this pick if Jeudy and Lamb were both off the board, but they were both there. They still get some credit for getting a WR and a weapon that will hopefully incentivize Carr to throw downfield more.

Grade: B-


Damon Arnette - Once again, correct position, wrong player. The Raiders needed to come out of the first round with a WR and a CB (unless somebody crazy fell), and they did. But between Diggs, Gladney, Johnson, Fulton, there were simply superior players available to a 24 year old corner with attitude concerns. He plays physical man coverage, but doesnt have great long speed, so he's going to have to win at the line of scrimmage or get toasted.

Grade: B-


Lynn Bowden - They're drafting him as a running back with the hope of expanding his role to be a more versatile piece like Randle Cobb was for the Packers early in his career before injuries. He will also return punts. I question the value of effectively grabbing a backup RB in the 3rd round. I like that he can also play receiver, because we didn't have much talent there going into the draft. The offense did need more explosiveness, though.

Grade: C


Bryan Edwards - This is probably the only pick that I love in this spot. I had Edwards listed as being one of the good receivers to target in the draft (had him in the same tier as Shenault and Hamler https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283593&p=10125339&viewfull=1#post10125339). He also complements Ruggs extremely well as a bigger, go up and get it receiver with great ball skills and good speed. Fell because he had a late foot injury that didn't let him participate at the combine. But a good dart throw for a guy who will hopefully replace Tyrell Williams.

Grade: A


Tanner Muse - He is a pretty good athlete (4.4 speed) and will be playing linebacker and special teams where his skill set will be used at its best. He is particularly good at diagnosing and wrecking screen plays, and is a strong tackler. But he will be changing positions to be a full time linebacker, and we spent most of our FA money on coverage linebackers in Littleton and Kwiatkowski, so this wasn't a huge need and he's a project. I don't see how this is justified in the 3rd round.

Grade: D


While I very much disliked the selections of Ruggs and Arnette, I couldn't give them grades lower than I gave because they still addressed the big positions of need with guys who are legitimately talented. While I disagreed with them, many mocks actually had Ruggs being the first receiver off the board, so it's not a huge objective reach even if I personally didn't like it.

Shaky draft overall tbh... we have 2 in the fourth and 1 in the fifth remaining, and that's it. Still think we need to grab at least 1 more corner. Legitimately would not hate taking the top kicker with our 5th round pick. Carlson was pretty shaky after he performed well as a rook

[spurraider21]

Well, Thielen is a great slot guy; but it doesn't hurt to have two. Thielen isn't really made to take a beating for 16 games on too many catches, imo.
jefferson has a pretty high floor imo, safe pick to be a productive player.

he put up huge college numbers, played in a pro style offense, won with route running, and then also tested as a good athlete. not a lot to dislike. if he played more on the outside and still maintained his production, he probably wouldnt have made it to the 20s. the uncertainty of whether he can be a boundary receiver is what has held him back from being a tier 1 prospect, as opposed to jeudy/lamb

[DAF86]

Which one is the fastest? Go with that one.

Sup spurraider21?

[DAF86]

lol Chiefs picking a running back in the first round.

[Holden_Caulfield]

im liking the jags draft picks. filling needs while basically stating that Minshew Mania is our savior, at least for the upcoming season. Now we just need help on the offensive line and a couple DBs and another RB and im ready for the season.

[Pelicans78]

saints were smart taking a center, they were definitely worse last year after losing Unger

LOL

[FrostKing]

Trent Williams

[Millennial_Messiah]

Vikings are having a great draft, not just with what they are doing, but with how badly the Packers have faceplanted. the packers have had the worst draft by a significant margin. packers also gave up their 4th round pick just to move up for Love
Eagles imo deserve a mention. Only decent player they got was that late 3rd round LB

[Millennial_Messiah]

Also Cowboys got the best Day 3 corner in Robinson, so I'm stoked. Another 6'1, 6'2 guy with 4.4 speed and ball skills. Nuts

[Millennial_Messiah]

LOL
mccoy was a reach in the 2nd last year, but he'll be a serviceable guard I guess

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trent Williams
Oh snap! With a year off he'll be a beast.

Didn't realize Staley retired this morning. Absolute necessity imo.

[Pelicans78]

mccoy was a reach in the 2nd last year, but he'll be a serviceable guard I guess

He started every game and was very good. Larry Warford is the odd man out on the line.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/smSQWng/EWcy-LJVXk-AAy-Eo-V1.jpg

[FrostKing]

Oh snap! With a year off he'll be a beast.

Didn't realize Staley retired this morning. Absolute necessity imo.
I think the move is connected. Staley was dragging his feet returning and the two players share the same position. I think Staley told management to pull the trigger

[phxspurfan]

Fromm gonna go Tom Brady and be GOAT after being passed over for several rounds

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/McwtGZV/32c6a13-1.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think the move is connected. Staley was dragging his feet returning and the two players share the same position. I think Staley told management to pull the trigger
Yep. Staley wanted to retire but didn't want to fuck over the team. Hope he gets a ring if they win the SB next year, even though he won't be on the 53.

[phxspurfan]

Yep. Staley wanted to retire but didn't want to fuck over the team. Hope he gets a ring if they win the SB next year, even though he won't be on the 53.

No way the NFL lets their golden boys Lamar and Patrick lose in any playoff game for the next few years.

[FrostKing]

No way the NFL lets their golden boys Lamar and Patrick lose in any playoff game for the next few years.
As I mentioned before, Super Bowl is a separate entity to the NFL season like a preseason tournament with separate rules.

But I don't doubt we will keep dominating the loaded NFC Playoffs

[spurraider21]

nice move by SF to deal with Staley's retirement

[spurraider21]

raiders did what i wanted... wound up with 2 WR's and 2 CB's. loved the amik robertson pick late. still not liking Ruggs at 12 and Arnette at 19. Tanner Muse is easily their worst pick of the draft though :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

No way the NFL lets their golden boys Lamar and Patrick lose in any playoff game for the next few years.
You just massively contradicted yourself in one sentence tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cowboys getting excellent value on Day 3 too, this guy was rated as a 3rd round pick and comps to Michael Bennett

[Millennial_Messiah]

looking back on it, Cowboys just drafted the best WR prospect since ........Amari Cooper. Before him, OBJ. Before him, Hopkins.

Done some research and I guess it hadn't hit me how bad the younger WRs of the NFL are. 2016-2019 is pretty much devoid of great receiver talent, unless you count a couple mid and late rounders like Hill. I think Thomas was drafted in the 2nd round in 2016. But there hasn't really been a blue chip WR since Cooper and now the Cowboys have both Cooper and Lamb. Hot Damn!

[spurraider21]

:lmao getting trent williams for a 5th and future 3rd as opposed to laremy tunsil for 2 first round picks

[spurraider21]

looking back on it, Cowboys just drafted the best WR prospect since ........Amari Cooper. Before him, OBJ. Before him, Hopkins.

Done some research and I guess it hadn't hit me how bad the younger WRs of the NFL are. 2016-2019 is pretty much devoid of great receiver talent, unless you count a couple mid and late rounders like Hill. I think Thomas was drafted in the 2nd round in 2016. But there hasn't really been a blue chip WR since Cooper and now the Cowboys have both Cooper and Lamb. Hot Damn!
this is true. WR had seen a pretty big lull in high end prospects for a few years... we had Corey Coleman and Corey Davis as the top WRs off the board in consecutive years.

it shall be said however, that even though last year only had 1 receiver in the first round (hollywood brown) the rookie class was actually outstanding.

DK Metcalf, Hollywood Brown, AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel, Diontae Johnson, Preston Williams, Mecole Hardman, Darius Slayton, and Hunter Renfrow all look like they'll stick around and produce, and that's not taking into account N'Keal Harry, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Parris Campbell, Andy Isabella, and Hakeem Butler all disappointing (still early to write them off)

Dallas is a great landing spot for Lamb because the pressure isn't there for him to step in and be the go-to target. Like I've said in this thread, I thought Jeudy was the most pro-ready to step in day 1 and assume that role. Lamb can grow into that kind of player while not being the center of attention (Cooper, Zeke).

[Millennial_Messiah]

this is true. WR had seen a pretty big lull in high end prospects for a few years... we had Corey Coleman and Corey Davis as the top WRs off the board in consecutive years.

it shall be said however, that even though last year only had 1 receiver in the first round (hollywood brown) the rookie class was actually outstanding.

DK Metcalf, Hollywood Brown, AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel, Diontae Johnson, Preston Williams, Mecole Hardman, Darius Slayton, and Hunter Renfrow all look like they'll stick around and produce, and that's not taking into account N'Keal Harry, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Parris Campbell, Andy Isabella, and Hakeem Butler all disappointing (still early to write them off)

Dallas is a great landing spot for Lamb because the pressure isn't there for him to step in and be the go-to target. Like I've said in this thread, I thought Jeudy was the most pro-ready to step in day 1 and assume that role. Lamb can grow into that kind of player while not being the center of attention (Cooper, Zeke).

like people have said, Lamb comps more to D. Hopkins while Jeudy is more of a Stefon Diggs clone, especially when you watch him take dig routes for long distances; can't really go wrong with either one. Jeudy will likely produce more than Lamb in year 1 because the Broncos have less talent around him and they'll be playing from behind more often than not so there will be a lot of throwing for Denver, soft zone coverage, easy catches etc.

All those guys you listed from 2019 are unlikely to be generational stars though except for potentially Metcalf. The rest are good at what they do but they're not all around stars. Brown, McLaurin, and Hardman are all going to be upper-tier deep ball guys for awhile, Samuel is sort of a poor man's Michael Thomas, Renfrow could be the next Amendola, etc. Harry and Whiteside look like slow jump ball guys that will be out of the league sooner than later.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao getting trent williams for a 5th and future 3rd as opposed to laremy tunsil for 2 first round picks


to be fair, Williams is 31, hasn't played football in a year, and has had chronic injury questions. When healthy he's a top 5 left tackle.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Also spurraider21, here's a nugget... take it for what it's worth:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/2020-nfl-draft-grades-for-all-32-teams/

[LkrFan]

Dem Boyz kilt the draft. Coop, Gallup and Cee Dee will ensure Zeke doesn't face 7-8 in the box no more (like when he was at Ohio State). Dak got more weapons than North Korea. :lol

[DAF86]

lol Lakers-Cowboys fan

[spurraider21]

Also spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905), here's a nugget... take it for what it's worth:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/2020-nfl-draft-grades-for-all-32-teams/
any list that doesnt have packers dead last is wrong by default. green bay was weapons away from competing (they were just in the NFC championship), and in the deepest WR draft in memory, they didnt take a single one. instead traded up for a QB, took a running back, linebacker, etc

i would agree that the cowboys had one of the better drafts. i think the cardinals and browns made out well. broncos went all-in on offense... interesting to see if Drew Lock pans out. i would also agree that the raiders didnt have a great draft. i criticized the first rounders. they attacked the right positions, imo took the wrong players. ruggs isnt a "consensus" reach, but i think it was a clear error. i didnt care for Lynn Bowden too much, and i think Tanner Muse was a waste of a pick.

its weird that they called John Simpson our best value pick. It's gotta be Amik Robertson by a wide margin. then again i dont usually go to the new york post for cutting edge football analysis.

[Pelicans78]

Saints re-sign Taysom Hill for 2 years and signing Crab Legs tomorrow to a one year deal.

[monosylab1k]

https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1254136203152175104?s=21

[Will Hunting]

Saints re-sign Taysom Hill for 2 years and signing Crab Legs tomorrow to a one year deal.
Good fit for Jameis imo

[Pelicans78]

Good fit for Jameis imo

Yeah he will backup Brees allowing Taysom Hill to play multiple positions on offense and special teams. Unfortunately even if the roster improves each season, Brees gets older which is why they will again finish with 12-13 wins and lose a home playoff game because Brees will struggle passing it when it counts and they won’t run the ball to compensate his older age.

[Millennial_Messiah]

any list that doesnt have packers dead last is wrong by default. green bay was weapons away from competing (they were just in the NFC championship), and in the deepest WR draft in memory, they didnt take a single one. instead traded up for a QB, took a running back, linebacker, etc

i would agree that the cowboys had one of the better drafts. i think the cardinals and browns made out well. broncos went all-in on offense... interesting to see if Drew Lock pans out. i would also agree that the raiders didnt have a great draft. i criticized the first rounders. they attacked the right positions, imo took the wrong players. ruggs isnt a "consensus" reach, but i think it was a clear error. i didnt care for Lynn Bowden too much, and i think Tanner Muse was a waste of a pick.

its weird that they called John Simpson our best value pick. It's gotta be Amik Robertson by a wide margin. then again i dont usually go to the new york post for cutting edge football analysis.

The Packers did get Funchess, for what it's worth. :lol He was a beast in Carolina for a short period with Cam Newton. He's basically a poor man's Davante Adams in terms of skills and archetype, unfortunately, so he'll just be his backup I guess.

As far as the Broncos, I think they continue to ride the bottom of the division. With Drew Lock and that gnarly offensive line, it doesn't matter if they had prime randy moss, calvin johnson, julio jones and desean jackson all on the same team. They will struggle on offense.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Good fit for Jameis imo

So who does that leave the Patriots with, then? Newton? Lol at not taking a QB, I think Fromm can be a heck of a QB in the NFL, but we'll have to wait for Trash Allen's inevitable demise first.

[Pelicans78]

Fromm is another Aaron Murray. He won’t amount to anything except a career backup.

[spurraider21]

The Packers did get Funchess, for what it's worth. :lol He was a beast in Carolina for a short period with Cam Newton. He's basically a poor man's Davante Adams in terms of skills and archetype, unfortunately, so he'll just be his backup I guess.

As far as the Broncos, I think they continue to ride the bottom of the division. With Drew Lock and that gnarly offensive line, it doesn't matter if they had prime randy moss, calvin johnson, julio jones and desean jackson all on the same team. They will struggle on offense.
Wat

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wat

He's a slow, tall, big receiver with a big catch radius. Which was important when your QB was (s)Cam Newton. Not much of a route runner or much awareness, but can win jump balls.

[spurraider21]

He's a slow, tall, big receiver with a big catch radius. Which was important when your QB was (s)Cam Newton. Not much of a route runner or much awareness, but can win jump balls.
im not convinced you've ever watched either play

[Millennial_Messiah]

im not convinced you've ever watched either play

huh? I watched a ton of Carolina in 15 and 17 when they were an item. All the analysts said the same thing. Having a bunch of bigger receivers like Fun(chess), Cotchery, Dickson and Benjamin (not available for 2015) made it easier on Newton because of their catch radius with regards to Newton's erratic accuracy. But there wasn't a ton of downfield throwing in those Panthers offenses. It was a time of possession offense with Newton, Stewart, Tolbert and the short passing game hogging the ball from the other team. It worked until it didn't (Newton's throwing arm fell off at some point in '18 and it was all over for that era).

Davante Adams isn't much of a deep threat, either. Excellent at jump balls and a much better route runner than a guy like Funchess, and, he has Aaron Rodgers. But the Packers offense doesn't really have legit deep wideout threats and hasn't in awhile. Aaron Jones seemed to be their best "deep ball" receiver at times last year... and he's a halfback by trade.

[spurraider21]

Adams is a sharp route runner and is a high volume catch guy, not just a guy who goes down the field and wins jump balls. Funchess has the route running ability of an in-line TE. he basically runs a lot of vertical routes and goes up and gets it. they play completely different brands of football. Funchess was really just a less dynamic version of Kelvin Benjamin (before he got very fat)

[spurraider21]

Apparently the NFL is willing to start the season as late as October 15, and still have a full 16 game season (eliminating bye weeks, and the week off between the conference championship and superbowl weeks)

[Millennial_Messiah]

Adams is a sharp route runner and is a high volume catch guy, not just a guy who goes down the field and wins jump balls. Funchess has the route running ability of an in-line TE. he basically runs a lot of vertical routes and goes up and gets it. they play completely different brands of football. Funchess was really just a less dynamic version of Kelvin Benjamin (before he got very fat)
yeah Adams has been a poor man's Thomas for the past few years, volume catch but majority shorter stuff.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Apparently the NFL is willing to start the season as late as October 15, and still have a full 16 game season (eliminating bye weeks, and the week off between the conference championship and superbowl weeks)

that would definitely push the Super Bowl to mid-late February though, since eliminating the byes and the pro bowl week would only save 2 weeks

[spurraider21]

that would definitely push the Super Bowl to mid-late February though, since eliminating the byes and the pro bowl week would only save 2 weeks
yup. they said they'd want the season to be wrapped up by late february. otherwise we're going to deal with a shortened season, if that.

[spurraider21]

yeah Adams has been a poor man's Thomas for the past few years, volume catch but majority shorter stuff.
adams is mostly a boundary receiver whereas thomas makes his living on crosses and slants using his frame and catch radius to his advantage.

[Will Hunting]

adams is mostly a boundary receiver whereas thomas makes his living on crosses and slants using his frame and catch radius to his advantage.
I sometimes think MM doesnt even watch football and just makes shit up after glancing at stats, how the fuck are Thomas and Adams comparable in terms of play style :lol

[spurraider21]

I sometimes think MM doesnt even watch football and just makes shit up after glancing at stats, how the fuck are Thomas and Adams comparable in terms of play style :lol
similar height/weight/speed/race

he thought funchess compared to adams in style, and by extension, to michael thomas :lol

[spurraider21]

michael thomas is a lot more like old-man larry fitzgerald/anquan boldin... a lot of his work in the middle of the field, often times out of the slot

if you wanted davante adams comps you're more looking at hopkins, sutton, devante parker

[Millennial_Messiah]

michael thomas is a lot more like old-man larry fitzgerald/anquan boldin... a lot of his work in the middle of the field, often times out of the slot

if you wanted davante adams comps you're more looking at hopkins, sutton, devante parker

Hopkins is a tier (or two) above. Sutton and Parker yeah. OR maybe Deh Bryant post-2014.

[Will Hunting]

similar height/weight/speed/race

he thought funchess compared to adams in style, and by extension, to michael thomas :lol
I know you’re joking but while their height/weight are similar, Thomas strikes me as a much better overall athlete.

I havent watched Funchess much at all but from what I’ve seen that Funchess to Adams comparison is even more retarded. Funchess is a shit route runner who relies on physical abilities and Adams is what I’d consider a good but not great athlete who wins with crisp route running and timing.

[leemajors]

I sometimes think MM doesnt even watch football and just makes shit up after glancing at stats, how the fuck are Thomas and Adams comparable in terms of play style :lol

Pretty obvious he had never seen Lamb play.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Pretty obvious he had never seen Lamb play.

I seldom watch college anymore since I've been out of college. Last college game I watched more than a few bits of was the LSU-Bama game in November. I'm pretty bummed that Mason Fine still hasn't been signed by an NFL team, tbh. Had an underwhelming senior season after a great years 2 and 3.

[spurraider21]

i dont watch college ball at all, except maybe the CFB playoffs :lol

but during the NFL offseason, once free agency is over, i go back and watch footage of a lot of the players who are projected to be drafted in the early rounds, or even deeper if they are players/positions of interest.

there used to be one great website called draftbreakdown.com where for just about every relevant player they would link to a video showing all of that player's snaps/targets etc, but they shut down before last year's draft, so you just have to scour for one of those databases now. this is the one i used for this year's draft

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QbJONz-aRK6WCaSUH4sGS1wAjN_lkg1j7Mrtp1lGJxw/edit#gid=1274523929

these do a much better job of really letting you look at a player as opposed to finding youtube highlights. there are also some good youtube channels or twitter accounts of guys who study the players and have good breakdowns.

[SpursforSix]

fify?


i dont watch college ball at all, except maybe the CFB playoffs :lol

but during the NFL offseason, once free agency is over, i go back and watch footage of a lot of the players who are projected to be drafted in the Fantasy Football early rounds, or even deeper if they are players/positions of interest.

there used to be one great website called draftbreakdown.com where for just about every relevant player they would link to a video showing all of that player's snaps/targets etc, but they shut down before last year's draft, so you just have to scour for one of those databases now. this is the one i used for this year's draft

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QbJONz-aRK6WCaSUH4sGS1wAjN_lkg1j7Mrtp1lGJxw/edit#gid=1274523929

these do a much better job of really letting you look at a player as opposed to finding youtube highlights. there are also some good youtube channels or twitter accounts of guys who study the players and have good breakdowns.

[spurraider21]

fify?
no.

NFL draft, not fantasy.

[SpursforSix]

no.

NFL draft, not fantasy.

I meant...is your ultimate goal to know about ff relevant players? Or do you actually even check out the defensive players and linemen?

[spurraider21]

I meant...is your ultimate goal to know about ff relevant players? Or do you actually even check out the defensive players and linemen?
The latter... but will put more or less emphasis on positions based on the likelihood of the raiders wanting them. Plus i love NFL in general so i like knowing the guys coming in

rarely look beyond first round prospects for anything other than QB/WR/CB/Edge

[SpursforSix]

The latter... but will put more or less emphasis on positions based on the likelihood of the raiders wanting them. Plus i love NFL in general so i like knowing the guys coming in

rarely look beyond first round prospects for anything other than QB/WR/CB/Edge

:tu

[spurraider21]

:tu
i just never want to be caught dead calling davante adams a comparison to devin funchess, etc

oddly, i sorta unintentionally saw a lot of davante adams during the 2014 draft process because i was watching the QBs that year including Carr (Davante was his #1 option at fresno state)

[SpursforSix]

i just never want to be caught dead calling davante adams a comparison to devin funchess, etc

oddly, i sorta unintentionally saw a lot of davante adams during the 2014 draft process because i was watching the QBs that year including Carr (Davante was his #1 option at fresno state)

Yeah...that's ridiculous. Adams is more like Michael Thomas. Anyone can see that.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/drg1Qkk/Screenshot-2020-04-28-19-47-16-1.png

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah...that's ridiculous. Adams is more like Michael Thomas. Anyone can see that.

I thought Alshon Jeffery was in that mold too but he kept getting injured

[SpursforSix]

I thought Alshon Jeffery was in that mold too but he kept getting injured

I don't see it. Alshon is basically a black Cole Beasley.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't see it. Alshon is basically a black Cole Beasley.

I detect the sarcasm, but if you're being serious, lmao. Black cole beasley would be like Andrew Hawkins (from the recent past) or a guy like Jamison Crowder.

Alshon's best white boy comparisons all play tight end.

[SpursforSix]

I detect the sarcasm, but if you're being serious, lmao. Black cole beasley would be like Andrew Hawkins (from the recent past) or a guy like Jamison Crowder.

Alshon's best white boy comparisons all play tight end.

You'll have to be specific as there are a bunch of white TE and they don't all play the same style. Regardless...whichever one of them is most like Cole Beasley, that's the Alshon comp.

[spurraider21]

I thought Alshon Jeffery was in that mold too but he kept getting injured
i always had a soft spot for the cutler-era bears. and brandon marshall + young alshon was awesome

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah but McCarron didn't throw 30 picks in a season :lol

if anything, Winston should have paid the Saints for a roster spot, not the other way around

[monosylab1k]

:lmao Patriots have been waiting all this time for Dalton. You can’t tell me they aren’t tanking.

[spurraider21]

:lmao Patriots have been waiting all this time for Dalton. You can’t tell me they aren’t tanking.
why did the bears trade a 4th round pick for Foles with his big guaranteed contract when they could have just signed Dalton or Winston :lmao

[spurraider21]

:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQE3Gb3x80

[spurraider21]

this ones too late, but funny


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7dXX65c4yk

[Spurtacular]

Vikings are having a great draft, not just with what they are doing, but with how badly the Packers have faceplanted. the packers have had the worst draft by a significant margin. packers also gave up their 4th round pick just to move up for Love

I just saw video on ESPN of that OT from Boise State that the Vikes drafted in the second round. He looks like a really good run blocker. Good news for continuing to make Dalvin Cook look probably better than he is. Hopefully, he's good on the pass blocking too. Cousins needs that split second more time than most QB's.

[Spurtacular]

this ones too late, but funny


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7dXX65c4yk

That's pretty much how I felt about the Diggs trade. At least I'm not a Texans fan though.

[spurraider21]

I just saw video on ESPN of that OT from Boise State that the Vikes drafted in the second round. He looks like a really good run blocker. Good news for continuing to make Dalvin Cook look probably better than he is. Hopefully, he's good on the pass blocking too. Cousins needs that split second more time than most QB's.
he's definitely more known for his pass protecting chops though.

[Millennial_Messiah]

why did the bears trade a 4th round pick for Foles with his big guaranteed contract when they could have just signed Dalton or Winston :lmao

because the bears treat draft picks like dollar store knick knacks.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao Patriots have been waiting all this time for Dalton. You can’t tell me they aren’t tanking.

:lol oddly enough, Dalton is actually good for a 7-9 season which would fuck up the tanking

[spurraider21]

ambulance balls tbh :lol

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[Darth_Pelican]

:lol Earl Thomas

[spurraider21]

:lmao that DeAndre Baker/Quinton Dunbar story

:lmao the police tagging the teams :lmao

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[Millennial_Messiah]

looks like Baker is gonna go to prison, he was actually one of the few picks the Giants got right recently :lol

[spurraider21]

not incredibly thorough, but good article on the 2019 rookie QBs :tu

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/05/rookie-qb-2019-ranking-kyler-murray-dwayne-haskins-daniel-jones-drew-lock


ST has been sleeping on Kyler (like every other black QB, tbh), even going so far as to make bizarre claims about him not having a strong arm, when he has a cannon.

I also think Haskins can be good, but he clearly wasn't ready as a rookie, which is why his arm strength/ball placement was good but he was slow in making progressions... he needs a lot more practice reps for the game to slow down.

i was also never high on Minshew despite the buzz/hype

[Millennial_Messiah]

not incredibly thorough, but good article on the 2019 rookie QBs :tu

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/05/rookie-qb-2019-ranking-kyler-murray-dwayne-haskins-daniel-jones-drew-lock


ST has been sleeping on Kyler (like every other black QB, tbh), even going so far as to make bizarre claims about him not having a strong arm, when he has a cannon.

I also think Haskins can be good, but he clearly wasn't ready as a rookie, which is why his arm strength/ball placement was good but he was slow in making progressions... he needs a lot more practice reps for the game to slow down.

i was also never high on Minshew despite the buzz/hype
Haskins sucks and was always overrated coming out of school. He's slow as an elephant when he tries to scramble, and he makes bad decisions in the pocket. Also he'll never succeed considering he plays for one of the shittiest franchises in the sport.

Murray is my darkhorse to win 2020 MVP and get AZ to double digit wins assuming there's a full season. He's got a very similar skillset to Jackson and more/better weapons than the Ravens, and a four-wide / five-wide style offense that likes to keep the ball in the QB's hands almost every snap, either to throw or to run. Should be a very fun team to watch this year. Glad Larry Fitz might get one more bite at the apple after all.

Minshew is mid round talent that fell into the late rounds, he's a solid league backup but nothing better, nothing to see there.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/F63dhRj/Screenshot-2020-05-15-14-27-29-1.png

[spurraider21]

Haskins sucks and was always overrated coming out of school. He's slow as an elephant when he tries to scramble, and he makes bad decisions in the pocket. Also he'll never succeed considering he plays for one of the shittiest franchises in the sport.probably the biggest factor tbh

plenty of qbs with bad mobility have survived or flourished in the NFL if they had good arm talent or could throw with anticipation. haskins has the makings of that kind of player and was very good with short/intermediate routes at Ohio State, he wasnt just some deep ball chucker. his issue was always experience. he only started one season at Ohio state and definitely was not NFL ready. its why they were wise to start Keenum and it looked bad when Haskins was thrust into duty.

McLaurin is a good receiver (and they have some built in chemistry from their time together in college) but they need more help on offense. lost trent williams, jordan reed should retire, and they dont have any other legitimate targets. neither adrian peterson nor darius guice can catch passes, and they also lost the oft-injured chris thompson in free agency.


Murray is my darkhorse to win 2020 MVP and get AZ to double digit wins assuming there's a full season. He's got a very similar skillset to Jackson and more/better weapons than the Ravens, and a four-wide / five-wide style offense that likes to keep the ball in the QB's hands almost every snap, either to throw or to run. Should be a very fun team to watch this year. Glad Larry Fitz might get one more bite at the apple after all.
kyler is a much better and much more natural passer than Lamar. he's more like Wilson but was thrust into a higher volume passing role as a rookie than wilson. they also had no OL last year, which is what made Murray's throwing so much more impressive. on anything outside of 3 step drops, he basically had to just lean off his back foot and deliver darts 25-30 yards down the field. thats why i kept saying the guy's arm strength is insane... just might not like like the pop of a guy who is able to step into throws consistently. he was all arm and was still getting it done with lousy receivers.


Minshew is mid round talent that fell into the late rounds, he's a solid league backup but nothing better, nothing to see there.
minshew is very similar to keenum tbh. i also liked the fitzpatrick comp from the article. as a raider fan, just looks like the better athlete version of matt mcgloin. aggressive thrower with good anticipation but iffy accuracy and has a subpar arm

contrary to popular belief, arm strength usually doest matter all that much when going deep (minshew was actually a solid deep ball guy). has much more to do with throws to the flats and intermediate routes where you have to put the ball on a rope

[Millennial_Messiah]

probably the biggest factor tbh

plenty of qbs with bad mobility have survived or flourished in the NFL if they had good arm talent or could throw with anticipation. haskins has the makings of that kind of player and was very good with short/intermediate routes at Ohio State, he wasnt just some deep ball chucker. his issue was always experience. he only started one season at Ohio state and definitely was not NFL ready. its why they were wise to start Keenum and it looked bad when Haskins was thrust into duty.

McLaurin is a good receiver (and they have some built in chemistry from their time together in college) but they need more help on offense. lost trent williams, jordan reed should retire, and they dont have any other legitimate targets. neither adrian peterson nor darius guice can catch passes, and they also lost the oft-injured chris thompson in free agency.


kyler is a much better and much more natural passer than Lamar. he's more like Wilson but was thrust into a higher volume passing role as a rookie than wilson. they also had no OL last year, which is what made Murray's throwing so much more impressive. on anything outside of 3 step drops, he basically had to just lean off his back foot and deliver darts 25-30 yards down the field. thats why i kept saying the guy's arm strength is insane... just might not like like the pop of a guy who is able to step into throws consistently. he was all arm and was still getting it done with lousy receivers.


minshew is very similar to keenum tbh. i also liked the fitzpatrick comp from the article. as a raider fan, just looks like the better athlete version of matt mcgloin. aggressive thrower with good anticipation but iffy accuracy and has a subpar arm

contrary to popular belief, arm strength usually doest matter all that much when going deep (minshew was actually a solid deep ball guy). has much more to do with throws to the flats and intermediate routes where you have to put the ball on a rope

Haskins doesn't throw with anticipation. He throws to an open receiver like it's Madden and gets picked because it's not Madden and DBs don't just stay in one spot and watch receivers catch the ball in the real NFL. Also the Redskins suck and their once good OL is trash now. Their new HC is a failed oaf / buffoon. Shouldn't have let both McVay and Shanahan go, should have gone with one of them.

You're right about Minshew and the Fitzpatrick comp (probably the most accurate one from last year) and the fact that arm strength isn't the most important factor on deep balls. Sam Darnold has one of the weakest starter arms in the NFL and he threw a 93 yard TD bomb on the Cowboys that went about 55-60 in the air, last year. Alex Smith threw em up high to Tyreek, obviously not as good as Mahomes does it but Smith wasn't incapable of it. Minshew just isn't starter/franchise QB material IMO.

Murray.... it's hard to compare him to anyone because he's one of the shortest QBs of all time to play any meaningful pro football snaps. 5'8" and that's generous. Needless to say he has a cannon arm because he was drafted high in the MLB to be a pitcher. PBUs at the line of scrimmage from tall interior D-linemen was a problem last year, he'll need to work on improving the arc on his throws to make up for his height. But he'll get there, and I think he can be an even better running QB than Jackson because he's at least as fast and the 5-wide formations actually favor more running lanes for the QB with all those smaller DBs in dime and quarter formations outside the box. Such a polar opposite from Jackson's Ravens offense that features tons of jumbo stuff... 21, 12, 22 and even 13 personnel.

[spurraider21]

Diggs isn't going to enjoy this

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Diggs isn't going to enjoy this

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one-year-wonder Buffalo and Trash Allen is going 5-11 this year and DeadlyDynasty is going to like it :lol

[spurraider21]

they have a good roster, they'll win more games than that. Allen is just holding them back from being a contender. like bortles with the jags a few years ago, or biscuit with the bears 2 years ago

[Millennial_Messiah]

they have a good roster, they'll win more games than that. Allen is just holding them back from being a contender. like bortles with the jags a few years ago, or biscuit with the bears 2 years ago
their defense is above average but it's not in the same league as the 2017 Jags or 2018 Bears my friend :lol

they aren't built to win in the trenches on either side of the ball; they completely stank against the run last year. Teams that committed to running the ball (such as the mediocre Eagles, obviously the Ravens) tore them apart. They had a Charmin soft strength of schedule last year, and not just within the division. One of the worst winning/playoff teams in a long time. And a clown of a head coach who managed to out-bill o'brien Bill O'Brien :lmao

[spurraider21]

their defense is above average but it's not in the same league as the 2017 Jags or 2018 Bears my friend :lol

they aren't built to win in the trenches on either side of the ball; they completely stank against the run last year. Teams that committed to running the ball (such as the mediocre Eagles, obviously the Ravens) tore them apart. They had a Charmin soft strength of schedule last year, and not just within the division. One of the worst winning/playoff teams in a long time. And a clown of a head coach who managed to out-bill o'brien Bill O'Brien :lmao
i didnt say their defense is on par with those teams, now did i

i said their roster is very good and they will get wins despite shortcomings of QB

[Millennial_Messiah]

i didnt say their defense is on par with those teams, now did i

i said their roster is very good and they will get wins despite shortcomings of QB

I don't think their team is any better than the 2018 team that went 6-10, but their schedule last year was absolute cake

[spurraider21]

am i the only one that thinks Kittle getting 5/75 is a steal for SF?

[SpursforSix]

am i the only one that thinks Kittle getting 5/75 is a steal for SF?

I haven't really thought about it until now. I guess they're getting a pretty great O-lineman and a pretty great receiver at the same time.

[Millennial_Messiah]

am i the only one that thinks Kittle getting 5/75 is a steal for SF?

yes, but the markets for TE, ILB, and until recently, box safety... have been suppressed considerably compared to the other high-impact starting positions.

15M a year for the best player on your team is a steal... heck Sherminator at 9M a year is still a steal... but Jimmy G really shouldn't take a penny over that, because he's just a bus driver.

[i'm_still_beta]

Ravens and Earl Thomas. WTF?

[Chinook]

Ravens and Earl Thomas. WTF?

Yeah, my guess is the Ravens hated Thomas from jump street. It was probably a mistake on their part to move away from Weddel for another highly paid guy rather than replacing him in house. Cost him a third-round pick, and he might have a cap hit of $16 Million next year despite not being on the team. Thomas seems to be a really weird guy though, in a bad way. As good as he has been, it's very possible that his removal will make the rest of the team better. He got into it with Brandon Williams after like Week Two last year. This isn't sudden.

[spurraider21]

Derwin James hurt bad again... sucks tbh. He's legit one of the best players in the league.

Chargers become a potential landing spot for Earl Thomas (even though Derwin is a different kind of animal)

[Millennial_Messiah]

Derwin James hurt bad again... sucks tbh. He's legit one of the best players in the league.

Chargers become a potential landing spot for Earl Thomas (even though Derwin is a different kind of animal)
not the same kind of safety. James is more Jamal Adams / Kam Chancellor than ET

[spurraider21]

Derwin does everything, can't pidgeon-hole him as a typical box safety like Kam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMfpBaI3og4

[Millennial_Messiah]

Derwin does everything, can't pidgeon-hole him as a typical box safety like Kam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMfpBaI3og4

they rarely played him as a single high safety though. He was always most successful in a Jamal Adams type of role where he can blitz, stop the run, cover short, etc. They always had a guy like Addae or Adderley back there at SHS and that was one of their weak spots in covering the deep ball. But they successfully shut down the Ravens and their run heavy scheme in the playoffs with pretty much all the safeties on their roster (including James) playing hybrid LB types of roles. Largely in part because their real LBs suck tbh, but James is definitely more of a LB/SS hybrid than a FS/SS hybrid.

Adderley was drafted last year to play FS after they jettisoned Addae, if they signed Thomas then Adderley would have to play SS, which would weaken their run support/tight end coverage (i.e. they had studs like Phillips in the past but no more; they don't currently have a proven SS on the roster with James missing).

Chargers are going to be last place in their division, rebuilding year, and I'm not sure Herbert is even in the same tier as Tua/Burrow; he might be more Jordan Love tier project type.

[spurraider21]

Fournette waived
you shoulda seen us in the ST fantasy draft... everybody was shitting on holden for drafting him and i told him he's gonna be cut by week 8. guess i was off

[DAF86]

one-year-wonder Buffalo and Trash Allen is going 5-11 this year and DeadlyDynasty is going to like it :lol

And who the fuck is suppossed to win the AFC East?

[Millennial_Messiah]

And who the fuck is suppossed to win the AFC East?

NBC has the Pats ranked #4. Too much faith in Newton, yes, but Buffalo is trash. Patriots are going 8-8 and winning the division, tbh. NFC West 2010 redux, ironically now the AFC East gets to play the stacked-ass NFC West which is now the best division in the NFL.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Rams finish last in the NFC West at 8-8. They're going to take the AFC LEast back to the woodshed, 2014 AFC North vs. NFC South style.

Arizona is my *big leap* feature team of the year, just like the 49ers last year, which I nailed (see my last year's pre-season prediction threads for that). And the 49ers and Seahawks are still heavy-weights and 7 teams get into the playoffs from now on. It's going to be a fun division. I predict three 10+ win teams.

[BD24]

NBC has the Pats ranked #4. Too much faith in Newton, yes, but Buffalo is trash. Patriots are going 8-8 and winning the division, tbh. NFC West 2010 redux, ironically now the AFC East gets to play the stacked-ass NFC West which is now the best division in the NFL.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Rams finish last in the NFC West at 8-8. They're going to take the AFC LEast back to the woodshed, 2014 AFC North vs. NFC South style.

Arizona is my *big leap* feature team of the year, just like the 49ers last year, which I nailed (see my last year's pre-season prediction threads for that). And the 49ers and Seahawks are still heavy-weights and 7 teams get into the playoffs from now on. It's going to be a fun division. I predict three 10+ win teams.
Want to link your fucking horrendous playoff predictions from last year Andy?

[spurraider21]

patriots dumped Sanu. didnt they spend a 2nd round pick on him just last year? :lol

[Will Hunting]

patriots dumped Sanu. didnt they spend a 2nd round pick on him just last year? :lol
Yeah, I remember hating it at the time. They gave a 2nd for Sanu instead of a 3rd for Emmanuel Sanders.

[benefactor]

Fournette waived
Headed to TB

[Will Hunting]

1. Jimmy G trade
2. Sanu trade
3. Adalius Thomas signing
4. Chandler Jones trade
5. Laurence Maroney pick
I didn't mind trading Chandler Jones they just got nothing for him. He was a glorified Tully Banta-Cain. Would rack up sacks against the Dolphins and Jets, but was invisible in the playoffs. A defensive version of Logan Mankins.

None of his 2nd round picks are individually as bad as anything on this list, but I'd say the 10+ 2nd round picks he's wasted on mid-round defensive talent thinking he saw something no one else did is by far the worst personnel strategy he's ever had.

[IronMexican]

1. Jimmy G trade
2. Sanu trade
3. Adalius Thomas signing
4. Chandler Jones trade
5. Laurence Maroney pick

You really rate Jimmy G?

I think most people had Maroney as the best RB that draft

[Millennial_Messiah]

I didn't mind trading Chandler Jones they just got nothing for him. He was a glorified Tully Banta-Cain. Would rack up sacks against the Dolphins and Jets, but was invisible in the playoffs. A defensive version of Logan Mankins.

None of his 2nd round picks are individually as bad as anything on this list, but I'd say the 10+ 2nd round picks he's wasted on mid-round defensive talent thinking he saw something no one else did is by far the worst personnel strategy he's ever had.
Sony Michel pick

He's going to get heavy usage this year, ask for too much money, and they'll fetch a 4th for him at best tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Sony Michel pick

He's going to get heavy usage this year, ask for too much money, and they'll fetch a 4th for him at best tbh.
Yeah Sony Michel was another terrible pick, he was a mid round talent at best. Idk how someone could be so bad at catching a football.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah Sony Michel was another terrible pick, he was a mid round talent at best. Idk how someone could be so bad at catching a football.

Yeah I thought Rashaad Penny from the same year was equally bad, but aside from injuries, Penny has actually been a pleasant surprise, i.e. he is a home-run hitter vs. Chris Carson's Marshawn Lynch grinding-style act, Penny can actually catch, juke out a few guys and take one a long distance, etc. Michel doesn't even look at the ball; it made me laugh every time Brady threw to him in the flat and it hit him in the ass or back or even the arms and it appeared as if he wasn't even looking for the pass, even with Tom fucking Brady as his QB. :lol

[IronMexican]

That was the Reggie Bush draft, so no. But of RB’s they had a shot at taking, they passed on DeAngelo Williams, Joseph Addai, and MJD.

Forgot Bush was in that draft. Regardless, I think most teams pass on all those guys for Maroney. The Colts really wanted him and had to settle on Addai.

[spurraider21]

I didn't mind trading Chandler Jones they just got nothing for him. He was a glorified Tully Banta-Cain. Would rack up sacks against the Dolphins and Jets, but was invisible in the playoffs. A defensive version of Logan Mankins.

None of his 2nd round picks are individually as bad as anything on this list, but I'd say the 10+ 2nd round picks he's wasted on mid-round defensive talent thinking he saw something no one else did is by far the worst personnel strategy he's ever had.
Chad Jackson

[Will Hunting]

Chad Jackson
Joejuan Williams
Duke Dawson
Cyrus Jones
Jordan Richards
Tavon Wilson
Ras-I Dowling
Patrick Chung
Darius Butler
Terrence Wheatley

All DBs Belichick has picked in the 2nd round since 2008, and they all suck with the exception of Patrick Chung and Darius Butler (even though Darius Butler only became good after he left New England)

That's enough bad picks to get most GMs fired :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Joejuan Williams
Duke Dawson
Cyrus Jones
Jordan Richards
Tavon Wilson
Ras-I Dowling
Patrick Chung
Darius Butler
Terrence Wheatley

All DBs Belichick has picked in the 2nd round since 2008, and they all suck with the exception of Patrick Chung and Darius Butler (even though Darius Butler only became good after he left New England)

That's enough bad picks to get most GMs fired :lol
you can miss on first and seconds every year and if you hit the jackpot every year on day 3 your job is perfectly safe. and if you win 3 super bowl rings in the process, it's safer than vladimir putin's post in russia.

[benefactor]

Watson deal done:tu

[Robz4000]

Watson deal done:tu

Just in time for Bill O'Brien to trade him and a third round pick for Crappolo!

[Will Hunting]

Just in time for Bill O'Brien to trade him and a third round pick for Crappolo!
Well give you Newton for the Wop Sensation :lol

[Robz4000]

Well give you Newton for the Wop Sensation :lol

:vomit:

[spurraider21]

:lol the raiders trading their 3rd round pick from this draft to the dolphins for a 4th

[Millennial_Messiah]

No Earl Thomas news yet

[Robz4000]

What's the deal with Josh Rosen? Haven't really paid much attention to him.

[Will Hunting]

What's the deal with Josh Rosen? Haven't really paid much attention to him.
Bad luck more than anything. IMO he's a starting quality QB.

[Robz4000]

Bad luck more than anything. IMO he's a starting quality QB.

That's what I figured, especially since he's gone from bad organization to bad organization.

[Will Hunting]

That's what I figured, especially since he's gone from bad organization to bad organization.
Bucs apparently just signed him

[Robz4000]

Bucs apparently just signed him

Saw that, to their practice squad though.

[spurraider21]

Bad luck more than anything. IMO he's a starting quality QB.
he has starting potential... he has yet to show he's there yet, though hasn't really had any realistic opportunity yet. i read this ridiculous stat that going back to college he's had something like 8 offensive coordinators in 7 years or somethin absurd like that

his problem is that he's an unathletic stiff, so he really needs to show he can be a quick processor. i guess studying behind brady is a good way to get that done. he would be a more natural fit in an air coryell offensive system, like what arians does. arians worked wonders with carson palmer, too.

[Millennial_Messiah]

he has starting potential... he has yet to show he's there yet, though hasn't really had any realistic opportunity yet. i read this ridiculous stat that going back to college he's had something like 8 offensive coordinators in 7 years or somethin absurd like that

his problem is that he's an unathletic stiff, so he really needs to show he can be a quick processor. i guess studying behind brady is a good way to get that done. he would be a more natural fit in an air coryell offensive system, like what arians does. arians worked wonders with carson palmer, too.
The problem with the air coryell deep-throw-first offense is it relies on the QB to drop back deep and hold on to it for awhile, which puts intense pressure on your OL (especially your OTs) to hold up in pass protection, and with a rookie and a scrub on either side at OT that's a major problem for the Bucs (as it was often in Arizona which led to Palmer's injuries and retirement). You really need elite tackles to play that system and that's why Arians hasn't made it to a Super Bowl despite having high-octane offense teams.

Rosen playing QB (for instance, if Brady gets covid or gets nicked up this year, or if Rosen is the future there at QB when Brady retires in any case) just compounds that problem, since he's notorious for standing tall in the pocket and being completely oblivious to pressures; I believe he set a (dubious) record for sack-fumbles allowed per dropback his rookie year in AZ. Yes, the O-line and Steve Wilks were bad, but that's always been a major bugaboo in Rosen's game. He has an arm and he's accurate. But he'll never start until he gets that seven-step-drop-sack-fumble gig out of his regular regimen.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I just think a lot of teams in general are switching over to the quick-throw, use your halfbacks and slot guys in the flats a lot, etc. type of west coast-ish offenses so they don't have to spend as much salary cap and general investment in the OLine. Look at the Patriots. That way you can invest a whole lot more in other parts of the roster, especially on defense.

[spurraider21]

arians was very successful in arizona with palmer. its not all defined by superbowls. andy reid didnt miraculously become a great coach overnight just because he won a superbowl in 2020. he had been great for decades. when palmer had his mvp-caliber 2015 year, they didnt lose because of the scheme or pass pro... palmer outright choked against the panthers

[Robz4000]

arians was very successful in arizona with palmer. its not all defined by superbowls. andy reid didnt miraculously become a great coach overnight just because he won a superbowl in 2020. he had been great for decades. when palmer had his mvp-caliber 2015 year, they didnt lose because of the scheme or pass pro... palmer outright choked against the panthers

Wasn't Palmer hurt and unable to play in that game against the Panthers?

[spurraider21]

Wasn't Palmer hurt and unable to play in that game against the Panthers?
dont remember an injury, but he played and threw 4 picks and fumbled twice

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201601240car.htm

[Robz4000]

dont remember an injury, but he played and threw 4 picks and fumbled twice

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201601240car.htm

Swear I remember Ryan Lindley, his back-up, being the one to play in det one. We gave catfaggot shit for the Panthers not playing anyone at full strength that postseason until getting embarrassed in the SB.

Edit: that was 2015, not 2016

[spurraider21]

Swear I remember Ryan Lindley, his back-up, being the one to play in det one. We gave catfaggot shit for the Panthers not playing anyone at full strength that postseason until getting embarrassed in the SB.

Edit: that was 2015, not 2016
ah. yeah palmer's big season was 2015, so it was the 2016 postseason

[Millennial_Messiah]

Swear I remember Ryan Lindley, his back-up, being the one to play in det one. We gave catfaggot shit for the Panthers not playing anyone at full strength that postseason until getting embarrassed in the SB.

Edit: that was 2015, not 2016
Yes. Palmer was injured at the tail end of their promising 2014 season (thus the Ryan Lindley sub-100 yard game), and Palmer was also oft-injured and in and out of the lineup in 2016 when Arizona struggled (basically the end of that team and era). But they didn't go down in 2017 without taking the entire Seattle "legion of boom" down with them. Lol.

Bruce Arians and Palmer had a great year in 2015. But they didn't really have good playoff success in that era; the Arians-Palmer team's only playoff victory came in OT at home against a very much injured Green Bay opponent who wasn't particularly great that year aside from Aaron Rodgers' two miracle hail-mary's.

[Millennial_Messiah]

IMO the Seahawks won the offseason. They replaced Clowney with Benson Mayowa who is 1/8 of the price and at least equally productive. And the Jamal Adams deal was a massive hit. Greg Olsen is already paying dividends. DK Metcalf is now a bona fide star. Lockett got healthier. Dissly is back. Carson is back. Now when Josh Gordon is re-instated, dayum, that's a heck of a roster.

[spurraider21]

if the seahawks are going to go away from the absurdly run heavy offenses they've ran in recent years they should be really really good. Metcalf and Lockett are a great combo (and they have Josh Gordon waiting to come back as usual)