Stimulus & Bailout Watch Thread

[Dirks_Finale]

You've got blinders on that help you overlook *any* GOP responsibility.Wrong.

[Neo.]

There you go again quoting out of context. I also mentioned the need for better safety nets.

youre welcome to explain your stupidity if you would like

[Dirks_Finale]

youre welcome to explain your stupidity if you would likeOnce again you seem incapable of having an adult conversation without either ad hominem or strawman argumentation.

[ElNono]

Yeah loaded with bullsh1t and you guys know that.

I'm not saying the right has not played politics with it either because they have. But we know what this was about - removing orange man.

Well, would’ve been nice to start negotiating in May at the very least, so we don’t have lawmakers bitching about the holiday recess. But, you know, Mitch cares more about giving business liability immunity and making sure Biden no longer has emergency powers than helping people.

Not a dig either, we all knew this already.

[Winehole23]

Wrong.
In this case, you do

[ElNono]

Now Ron Johnson is apparently worried about the debt and the deficit... :lmao

Sorry, but conservatards have only themselves to blame here...

[Neo.]

Once again you seem incapable of having an adult conversation without either ad hominem or strawman argumentation.

lol you had a chance to explain this already, and got exposed by numerous posters

then every time things dont go your way, you repeatedly want to cry about "strawman argumentation", and shortly afterward got exposed for doing the same thing yourself on a regular basis. and then when someone asks you to explain yourself, instead of doing so you simply resort to crying some more :lmao

in my 15+ years on ST, you are literally one of the worst posters to come around. arguably top 10 worst. not because you post stupid stuff, but because you post stupid stuff, actually believe in it with all your heart, and any time you have a chance to back up your stance, you either have nothing at all, cry that people are mean to you, or resort to the "gut instinct" or "eyeball" arguments. you are nearly an identical twin to derp, but with marginally more self-awareness and less childishness. props for not being on his level :tu

[ElNono]

Nobody is saying Democrats are the heroes here either... there’s enough room to shit on both parties

[Dirks_Finale]

lol you had a chance to explain this already, and got exposed by numerous posters

then every time things dont go your way, you repeatedly want to cry about "strawman argumentation", and shortly afterward got exposed for doing the same thing yourself on a regular basis. and then when someone asks you to explain yourself, instead of doing so you simply resort to crying some more :lmao

in my 15+ years on ST, you are literally one of the worst posters to come around. arguably top 10 worst. not because you post stupid stuff, but because you post stupid stuff, actually believe in it with all your heart, and any time you have a chance to back up your stance, you either have nothing at all, cry that people are mean to you, or resort to the "gut instinct" or "eyeball" arguments. you are nearly an identical twin to derp, but with marginally more self-awareness and less childishness. props for not being on his level :tu:lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Nobody is saying Democrats are the heroes here either... there’s enough room to shit on both parties

Will it get better now that Orange man is out, Nono?

[Neo.]

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[Winehole23]

Guillotine watch: Mitch McConnell

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[leemajors]

Guillotine watch: Mitch McConnell

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What the fuck possible explanation is there for that?

[Winehole23]

What the fuck possible explanation is there for that?His base loves it because it pisses you and me off. To deny good things to people in need thrills them.

Big business loves it because it maintains labor discipline. No lost days of work.

Also, Republicans know some of the money would go to people who don't look like them. The thought of "those people" sick and dying from COVID-19 warms the cockles of their hearts.

[boutons_deux]

What the fuck possible explanation is there for that?

sick leave money not paid to Labor is more money for the Capitalists who pay Congress to oppress Labor.

[boutons_deux]

Congress passes bill to avert government shutdown, sends measure to Trump









Congress swiftly passed a two-day :lol

stopgap spending bill :lol

Friday night to avert a partial government shutdown,

trying to buy time for frustratingly slow endgame negotiations on an almost $1 trillion COVID-19 economic relief package.








-- Boston Globe email

What a wonderful way to MISgovern the country, fucking whored assholes.

[Winehole23]

What the fuck possible explanation is there for that?Socially worthless poor people will suffer and die.

[ElNono]

Will it get better now that Orange man is out, Nono?

Define ‘better’?

When it comes to making sure we still have a Constitutional Democracy, absolutely. The rest we can talk about.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Dirks_Finale]

Gridlock.

Same, better or worse under Biden?


Define ‘better’?

When it comes to making sure we still have a Constitutional Democracy, absolutely. The rest we can talk about.

[Bogie]

STFU.

you’re a frightened little racist moron. You have no ability to form a single independent thought

you’re an ignorant racist shitbag

[Bogie]

Gridlock.

Same, better or worse under Biden?

and this is how you know you’re fucking stupid. Gridlock was always created by the senate. In fact they cost your messiah the election by not doing anything

[Winehole23]

In fairness to Dirks_Finale, it was always in the Dems' power to break gridlock by caving to Republicans.

[Dirks_Finale]

you’re a frightened little racist moron. You have no ability to form a single independent thought

you’re an ignorant racist shitbag

Are you over the age of 14?

[Winehole23]

Are you over the age of 14?naw, he just acts like it.

[Bogie]

naw, he just acts like it.

the reality is that the house bill that passed was never going to be the final bill.

Mitch never even brought it for a vote, because he didn’t want to make senators have to vote on it for political purposes. They had no problem rushing a justice through, and he bragged about what they did there.

all these poor people, many vote that r ticket every year has been frightened into agreeing to damage themselves and their families because they have been brainwashed and trained to think that it’s fine they’re losing everything, because black people will lose too.

remember that article during the last shutdown, where they went to some red part of Florida, and the complaint wasn’t that their representatives were intentionally destroying their lives, but that the wrong people were being punished.

Pelosi and Schumer are worthless in their own special way, but McConnell, and r leadership is straight evil.

dirks is a moron who was scared into thinking immigrants and black people and people using restrooms are the problem, when the r’s have had continuous control at all levels of government for most of the past 25 years. He is the very definition of a low iq low information voter that is everything that is wrong with this country.

[Bogie]

Are you over the age of 14?


Does your iq touch room temperature?

[ElNono]

Gridlock.

Same, better or worse under Biden?

Depends on what’s on the table and what part of the food chain you’re sitting on.

If you’re at the top 1% I expect gold plated socialism just like with this outgoing administration...

If you’re not, then options are seriously limited, tbh

[boutons_deux]

Depends on what’s on the table and what part of the food chain you’re sitting on.

If you’re at the top 1% I expect gold plated socialism just like with this outgoing administration...

If you’re not, then options are seriously limited, tbh

Biden is bringing in Goldman Sacks and other BigFinance types in for the transition, and no doubt for Exec branch.

BigFinance will dictating guard rails between which the Dems must remain.

Biden and Dems are not saviors simply because they are not as seditious as the entire Repug party. A VERY low bar

America has huge problems, so much progress needed but I expect little effort from the Dems (Biden, Pelosi, Schumer? G M A F B ), which effort in any and every case, will be blocked by McConnell's Senate.

[Winehole23]

the math and the policy aren't difficult.

just give people money.

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[Winehole23]

leaving aid for cities and states out of the bill would be an epic, unnecessary self-wounding

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/immediate-need-state-local-govts-decry-being-left-out-covid-n1251590

[boutons_deux]

Repugs want to stop the Fed from helping the economy under Biden, so the ecomomy would stay cratered into the 2022 campaign

Schumer, Toomey resolve COVID-19 relief sticking point, potentially setting stage for vote (https://theweek.com/speedreads/956262/schumer-toomey-resolve-covid19-relief-sticking-point-potentially-setting-stage-vote)

a sticking point about the Federal Reserve's ability to set up emergency lending programs without congressional approval, which Toomey wanted to restrict.

the central bank wouldn't lose that power, but its options would be narrower —

the Fed wouldn't be able to replicate programs identical to the ones it started in March

unless Congress signed off. :lol if it's Dem Congress, will the Dems sign off? not sure

the bill is expected to include $300 per week in enhanced unemployment benefits,

$600 direct payments for individuals,

$330 billion for small business loans,

more than $80 billion for schools, and

billions more for COVID-19 vaccine distribution.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/956262/schumer-toomey-resolve-covid19-relief-sticking-point-potentially-setting-stage-vote

Not enough, but a Repug Senate next year will block any more.

[Trill Clinton]

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[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

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Congress is out of reach of the citizenry who has NO control of what actually happens in Congress.

Congress has dual priority,

1) getting financed to win/maintain office, thereby hired by the oligarchy,

2) quid pro quo, returning wealth and power to the oligarchy.

Citizens?

We can GO FUCK OURSELVES as mere wage and debt slaves to the oligarchy royalty and its enforcers in Congress.

[Winehole23]

lol

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[TimDunkem]

Deal reached on 900 billion stimulus.

[boutons_deux]

agreement reached, now both chambers to vote on it, and Trash sign it

I could find not how long the $300/week for unemployed will run. it's not enough and probably only a few weeks, while unemployment will continue to increase and Labor won't get vaccine for many months.

$300/week for only 11 weeks.

Economy and unemployment will be WORSE in 11 weeks.

[DMX7]

Economy and unemployment will be WORSE in 11 weeks.

I'm not so sure about that...

[boutons_deux]

I'm not so sure about that...

I'm not "sure", but unemployment will be up, people will still not be going out drinking, eating, movies, 1000s of SMBs terminating, C-MBS going tits up for lack of rent income to pay mortgage, and the masses won't get vaccinated for several months.

[DMX7]

that's what I found.

If you can find something else, please post it.

You found that? Where? In someone's crystal ball?

[boutons_deux]

You found that? Where? In someone's crystal ball?

no, current horrible trend is holding, and probably getting worse.

the docs have gotten better at saving lives, but their hospitals, like in NYC back in April, will be doding triage and some will die for lack full treatment from hospital flat out of resources.

Recent history is best indicator of near future, say of next few months. no crystal ball.

3000 dead / day for 3 months gives us 500K dead by April.

Find epidemiologists or front-line health care managers who are optimistic.

This disaster was never unavoidable but didn't HAVE to be this bad. USA is "proud" once again to be World Champion, this time of Pandemic Self-Fucking

All thanks to the anti-leadership of Trash and Repugs, and many thanks to all his cult mob of FreeDumb-loving anti-maskers.

[spurraider21]

damn, boutons actually types sentences instead of just spamming articles and cussing?

time to take him off ignore or is this a one-off?

[DMX7]

no, current horrible trend is holding, but probably getting worse.

Recent history is best indicator of near future of next few months. no crystal ball.

3000 dead / day for 3 months gives us 500K dead by April.

Find epidemiologists or front-line health care managers who are optimistic.


You don't think 3 months of vaccine rollout will have a positive effect?

[boutons_deux]

You don't think 3 months of vaccine rollout will have a positive effect?

3 months of vaccine rollout will go to front line medicals, nursing home survivors, professional athletic organizations, the oligarchy, near friends of the oligarchy, BigFinance, anybody critical to the oligarchy's revenue flow.

I doubt Trash's Exec Order beloved brown meat packers will get vaccinated.

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Dr. Vivek Murthy: ‘May be closer to mid summer, early fall’ for widespread vaccine distribution

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/dr-vivek-murthy-may-be-closer-to-mid-summer-early-fall-for-widespread-vaccine-distribution-98113605754

Then we have 50M? Trash cult mob who will refuse to be vaccinated, keeping the pandemic going and perhaps mutating requiring re-working the vaccines, just like annual seasonal flu vaccines "fighting the last war".

[boutons_deux]

"It would also add a $300 federal unemployment supplement and

temporarily keep in place pandemic-era programs that expanded unemployment insurance eligibility.

It was not immediately clear how long each of those measures would last."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/20/mcconnell-says-congress-has-agreed-to-900-billion-coronavirus-stimulus-deal.html

btw, TX unemployment rate is over 8%

Dems are approving now, with the intent of greatly expanding once Biden is in office.

Of course, Senate Repugs with 50+ would kill any more pandemic aid, keep Americans in maximum distress for the 2022 elections.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

evictions continue despite the so-called ban:

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/20/947992198/why-the-cdc-eviction-ban-isnt-really-a-ban-i-have-nowhere-to-go

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

GOP wants to remove the Fed money cannon they loaded up with $3T last spring, but save the temporary lending facility that lets companies offload their crap derivatives on the Fed balance sheet.

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[boutons_deux]

Arizona charter school got a PPP loan,

gave $10 million to shareholder

Primavera (https://bit.ly/2WxY0CG) online charter school, like many businesses this spring, sought help from the federal Paycheck Protection Program (https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs/loans/coronavirus-relief-options/paycheck-protection-program) to weather the economic disruption of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The Chandler, Arizona, school received a PPP loan of nearly $2.2 million, the largest forgivable loan among the 132 Arizona charter schools that obtained them.

But Primavera's loan appears to have been more of a bonus than a lifeline.

The school, which like all Arizona public schools didn't lose state funding because of the pandemic,

ended its fiscal year on June 30 with $8.8 million in the bank – almost double the annual payroll costs for its 85 teachers,

The school also shipped $10 million to its lone shareholder:

StrongMind, an affiliated company owned by Primavera's founder and former CEO Damian Creamer.

Creamer controls both Primavera and StrongMind, noting

he has "the ability to influence the school's operations for the benefit of StrongMind."

Primavera paid StrongMind nearly $23 million this past fiscal year for software and curriculum services, records show.

the overwhelming majority of the Arizona charter schools that obtained PPP loans didn't need the money.

there are numerous problems with fully funded charter schools getting PPP loans intended to help struggling businesses.

"The PPP loans are taxpayer dollars intended to help the needy, not the greedy,"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/12/21/arizona-charter-school-primavera-ppp-loan-gives-10-million-investor/3991035001/

A unique example, or repeated across the country for non-profit / for-profit charters controlled by Capitalists?

[Winehole23]

Kanye got 5 mil, Brady got $600,000.

Congress got $140,000 each to dicker around for 9 months over whether to give us $600.

[tholdren]

Kanye got 5 mil, Brady got $600,000.

Congress got $140,000 each to dicker around for 9 months over whether to give us $600.

Also funding for investigation into.the 1908 Springfield riot.


In short, you let the government lock you down and now you're dealing with the consequences. I believe your crew even cheered on the lockdowns.

[ChumpDumper]

Also funding for investigation into.the 1908 Springfield riot.


In short, you let the government lock you down and now you're dealing with the consequences. I believe your crew even cheered on the lockdowns.You let them lock you down too, vaxboi.

[Winehole23]

if mass evictions come to pass, Biden could be politically sunk within 6-12 months.

come big or don't come at all.


The latest data from the Census Bureau's Household Pulse Survey, taken between November 25 and December 7, found that 35.3 percent of U.S. adults are "living in households not current on rent or mortgage where eviction or foreclosure in the next two months is either very likely or somewhat likely."


The survey found that residents of Washington, D.C. are the most likely to face eviction or foreclosure, with 67.3 percent of adults living in households where the prospect is at least somewhat likely. States with a majority of adults also likely to lose their homes include South Dakota, South Carolina, Georgia and Oregon.
https://www.newsweek.com/35-americans-could-lose-their-home-next-two-months-census-report-says-1556108

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

very freaky, RGV front line health care providers shun vaccine


So many workers at a hospital in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley declined the new COVID-19 vaccine that the facility offered doses to other medical workers in the region. Many showed up, but so did a state lawmaker, a police officer and a sheriff’s deputy who weren’t on the state’s priority list for vaccination.

Hospitals across Texas began to receive the first batches of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine over the last several days. Doctors Hospital at Renaissance in Edinburg, one of the Texas facilities hardest hit by the virus (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/02/texas-coronavirus-hospital-rio-grande-valley/) this year, received 5,850 doses of the vaccine.

State guidelines say these initial batches should go to front-line health care workers. But how the actual distribution works may look different from facility to facility as each interprets those state recommendations.

Dr. Robert Martinez, the DHR Health chief medical officer, said hospital officials prioritized employees considered in the first tier for a dose (https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/COVID_Vaccine_Principles_HCW_Definition.pdf), like hospital staff who work directly with COVID-19 patients and long-term care workers. But administrators realized not enough people eligible for the vaccine were initially going to opt to get it, Martinez said.
“You start to see similar numbers across the country, all this mistrust and misinformation,” he said.

Initially, about 40% to 60% of people who answered a hospital survey said they’d get the vaccine, Martinez said. The lower-than-expected vaccine adoption rate was first reported by The Monitor (https://www.themonitor.com/2020/12/19/prioritizing-covid-19-vaccines-hangs-honor-system/).
https://www.propublica.org/article/rio-grande-hospital-workers-turned-down-the-vaccine-a-senator-and-a-sheriffs-deputy-lined-up-instead

[Winehole23]

troof, but unlike the French, Americans are most highly indoctrinated to their own oppression.

TINA

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Kwame Ture is roughly correct, but I expect his critique is also a selling point.

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[Winehole23]

We're so highly indoctrinated we can't see it.

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[boutons_deux]

the Capitalist oligarchy's indoctrination, non-stop propaganda from all directions, from all info sources, for decades has totally inculcated mass hysteria, cultish ignorant bullshit into America.

the US military fights for this shit show and to spread it across the planet

[boutons_deux]

...

[baseline bum]

troof, but unlike the French, Americans are most highly indoctrinated to their own oppression.

TINA

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Fucking America and its Stockholm Syndrome. 74 million people voted for this shit. This failed nation is fucking over.

[Winehole23]

capitalist bread lines

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[DMX7]

Everyone's favorite senator, Ted Cruz, voted against the stimulus bill. Now that Trump is on his way out he is a deficit hawk.

He had no problem with the tax cuts or the wasteful wall funding or the huge military budgets... but they've crossed the line with stimulus to ordinary people in a crisis. LMAO :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Only silver lining in this bill is that it makes it easier for Ornoff and Warnock to take the GA seats.

[boutons_deux]

if mass evictions come to pass, Biden could be politically sunk within 6-12 months.

come big or don't come at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/35-americans-could-lose-their-home-next-two-months-census-report-says-1556108

stimulus bill extends moratorium on evictions, but even before the earlier moratorium was done, renters were being evicted. That's not on Trump or Biden, it's lawless landlords. Biden has to make clear that evictions are illegal for now

I've read about landlords forcing tenants out by making/allowing the premises uninhabitable, not fixing plumbing, not exterminating vermin, etc. in the eviction moratorium.

[spurraider21]

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pelosi should 100% follow through with this. either the checks increase to 2k, or it falls squarely on mcconnell. if its just lip service and pelosi doesnt follow through, then she's a failure

[Winehole23]

Pocket veto?

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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pelosi should 100% follow through with this. either the checks increase to 2k, or it falls squarely on mcconnell. if its just lip service and pelosi doesnt follow through, then she's a failureTactical mistake by Trump, I doubt Pelosi will take advantage of it in any practical way.

Prove me wrong, Nancy!

[TimDunkem]

The one time I'm rooting for Pelosi. :tu Definitely not getting my hopes up though.

[Winehole23]

Ossoff and Warnock should ask this every other minute until the runoff, after pointing out they agree with Trump.

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[Will Hunting]

Ossoff and Warnock should ask this every other minute until the runoff, after pointing out they agree with Trump.

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Ossoff is already doing that.

[Will Hunting]

I don’t think it’s a mistake at all for Trump. It checks all the boxes - going after the adoration of the people for the ego boost, sowing as much discord and chaos as possible on his way out, and screwing over anybody who he thinks double crossed him.

They’ll throw the $2000 checks in there and then he’ll veto it for some other reason.
Yeah all Trump is doing now is trying to remind the GOP that it’ll collapse without him. He’s basically just trying to fuck with McConnell at this point.

[Winehole23]

Yeah all Trump is doing now is trying to remind the GOP that it’ll collapse without him. He’s basically just trying to fuck with McConnell at this point.The Senate shielded him from removal. There isn't much else Congress can do for Trump, so he's free to sow chaos as he pleases.

[Reck]

:lol The Turtle getting fucked by Trump. Did not see that coming.

AOC already on it.

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[DMX7]

Trump couldn’t run a lemonade stand... why is he asking for this after the bill has already passed in the Congress? Freaking retarded...

[DMX7]

Ossoff and Warnock should ask this every other minute until the runoff, after pointing out they agree with Trump.

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I’m actually curious what the answer is,

[ChumpDumper]

I’m actually curious what the answer is,Loeffler already told the peons to buy bootstraps.

[Will Hunting]

At this point the Loeffler-bot might actually say “I support whatever will get me elected”
That plus a comment where she says “radical liberal Raphael Warnock”

[tholdren]

Lol bums scared themselves into lockdowns now want govt to pay them. Hilarious

[DMX7]

Loeffler already told the peons to buy bootstraps.

Was that before or after Trump chimed in with his speech tonight?

[ChumpDumper]

Was that before or after Trump chimed in with his speech tonight?Definitely before. I'm sure she'll turn on det dime.

[DMX7]

I'm sure she'll turn on det dime.

Certainly possible.

[Reck]

Loving the sudden pressure campaign.

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Who would have thought Trump and the dems would be on the same page to end his presidency.

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[Trill Clinton]

amy didn't get the memo

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[Winehole23]

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[FrostKing]

Trump the people's Leader

Populism strikes again

[Winehole23]

Trump the people's Leader

Populism strikes againTrump is nearly kaput. The stink of the loser is upon him.

[ChumpDumper]

Trump the people's Leader

Populism strikes again:lol Trump is following the Democrats' lead.

[TimDunkem]

:lol Trump is following the Democrats' lead.
Dems: 2000!

Repugs: 300!

Compromise: 600!




Trump: 2000!


The Art of The Deal.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/ZTns390/Screenshot-20201222-231257-Chrome.jpg

While your business and/or home is confiscated, they use YOUR MONEY on nation building overseas

[Spurtacular]

https://i.ibb.co/ZTns390/Screenshot-20201222-231257-Chrome.jpg

While your business and/or home is confiscated, they use YOUR MONEY on nation building overseas


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[FrostKing]

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Ideological warfare

Why they hate us

[Spurtacular]

Ideological warfare

Why they hate us

Two birds with one stone.

We pay for their psyop propaganda and they have easy money to funnel.

It's not like a bridge that people are like what did we get for our buck?

It's fairy sh** that nobody cares about.

[TimDunkem]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[FrostKing]

Two birds with one stone.

We pay for their psyop propaganda and they have easy money to funnel.

It's not like a bridge that people are like what did we get for our buck?

It's fairy sh** that nobody cares about.
Funds for border walls in the Middle East :lol

While we go the opposite direction and slash ICE

[Frenchfred]

trump has shown one more time that giving money to the rich doesn't bring exceptional growth. Despite putting the country in more debt by increasing the deficit (pre-covid) by a factor to 2.5 while Obama decreased it by 3, the US economic got a pretty small boost, on average 0.2% over his first 3 years compared to Obama's last 4 years for 2 extra point of deficit. Unemployment continued to decrease but at the same rate as under Obama so nothing exceptional.
All this money given to rich people, besides the increased debt, will burst into another speculative bubble just like the housing market, the internet bubble…did in the past.
Giving money to poor people is what brings economic growth as they are spending all the money into the economy.

[Warlord23]

Trump the people's Leader

Populism strikes again

Why did the people's leader wait until 3 days from Christmas to start influencing the bill?
So you agree that the Democratic party's policies are pro-people, since Trump is basically agreeing with them?
If the congressional GOP doesn't pass this bill, will you change your stance that "conservatism is what this country needs"?

[Warlord23]

Yeah all Trump is doing now is trying to remind the GOP that it’ll collapse without him. He’s basically just trying to fuck with McConnell at this point.

The problem is that McConnell knows his voters. He can give Trump and Pelosi the finger on the $2000 direct payment, and still have a great chance of getting both GA Senate seats and maintaining the R majority in the Senate.

The GOP has mastered the art of blaming Democrats even when the GOP is in control. Their voters have proven that they will buy whatever Fox and AM radio will sell them.

[ElNono]

tbf I seriously doubt that Paki money is going to gender studies... more likely to pay for some CIA off the books prison.

But, I agree it’s money better spent elsewhere

[Will Hunting]

The problem is that McConnell knows his voters. He can give Trump and Pelosi the finger on the $2000 direct payment, and still have a great chance of getting both GA Senate seats and maintaining the R majority in the Senate.

The GOP has mastered the art of blaming Democrats even when the GOP is in control. Their voters have proven that they will buy whatever Fox and AM radio will sell them.
Yeah but the only reason McConnell agreed to this bill in the first place was because he knew Loeffler and Perdue were losing support in GA because there wasn’t any COVID relief. Trump suddenly wanting to influence the relief at the 11th hour with a more liberal direct payment plan was a curveball Cocaine Mitch didn’t plan for.

[MultiTroll]

Could the timing also be to divert attention away from Rumps pardon of numerous disgusting creatures?

Trump Crime Family is tone deaf and uber entitled but must have known these pardons would not be received well outside of the cult.

[boutons_deux]

Trash says he wants $2K, Dems agree. It's on the Repugs now.

Trash didn't propose $2K because the Dems didn't fight for it. He did it to "Look at dickless, LOSER me. I only fuck up stuff, see. Keep watching ME fuck stuff up"

Dems and Repugs have already "bent over" to accept each other's demands, which includes huge tax breaks for business.

On what grounds would the Dems obstruct the current bill with the $2000?

Labor gets crumbs, Capitalists get $100Bs

===============

Buried in Pandemic Aid Bill: Billions to Soothe the Richest

The voluminous coronavirus relief and spending bill that blasted through Congress on Monday includes provisions — good, bad and just plain strange — that few lawmakers got to read.

a $200 billion giveaway to the rich.

It involves the tens of thousands of businesses that received loans from the federal government this spring with the promise that the loans would be forgiven, tax free, if they agreed to keep employees on the payroll through the coronavirus pandemic.

But for some businesses and their high-paid accountants, that was not enough. They went to Congress with another request:

Not only should the forgiven loans not be taxed as income, but the expenditures used with those loans should be tax deductible.

“High-income business owners have had tax benefits and unprecedented government grants showered down upon then. And the scale is massive,”

$120 billion of the $200 billion would flow to the top 1 percent of Americans.

The new provision allows for a classic double dip into the Payroll Protection Program,

as businesses get free money from the government, then get to deduct that largess from their taxes.

“Congress found plenty of money for foreign countries, lobbyists and special interests, while sending the bare minimum to the American people who need it,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/politics/whats-in-the-covid-relief-bill.html

[ElNono]

There’s an outside chance this is a 5D Chess move by Trump and Cocaine Mitch. They can get fully on board with $2000 checks, go the “if Dems wanted $2000 checks why didn’t they fight harder? Trump spoke up because the Dems wouldn’t, he fights for the people, etc” route, put Dems in a position where they have to bend over and accept Republican demands in order to secure the $2000 checks they’re all already publicly screaming for (and now any Democrat backtracking/obstruction that prevents that amount of payment will instantly be blamed on the Dems), and massively swing Trump’s approval rating and win Georgia easily.

The easy explanation is Trump is a big whiny pussy and he did this to screw over Mitch, but I’m willing to entertain that they set a trap for the Democrats and last night’s Lib tweetgasm over 2K checks shows that it worked.

Well, the problem is that Mitch and co are about to flip into fiscal hawks in about a month, so it becomes really problematic for them to take a knee for Trump but not for Biden and not come across as complete partisan hacks, tbh

[Will Hunting]

There’s an outside chance this is a 5D Chess move by Trump and Cocaine Mitch. They can get fully on board with $2000 checks, go the “if Dems wanted $2000 checks why didn’t they fight harder? Trump spoke up because the Dems wouldn’t, he fights for the people, etc” route, put Dems in a position where they have to bend over and accept Republican demands in order to secure the $2000 checks they’re all already publicly screaming for (and now any Democrat backtracking/obstruction that prevents that amount of payment will instantly be blamed on the Dems), and massively swing Trump’s approval rating and win Georgia easily.

The easy explanation is Trump is a big whiny pussy and he did this to screw over Mitch, but I’m willing to entertain that they set a trap for the Democrats and last night’s Lib tweetgasm over 2K checks shows that it worked.
Na, there were a lot of leaks from senate staffers that Cocaine Mitch only agreed to another stimulus w/o corporate immunity because he’s shitting his pants about Georgia. If Trump blows this stimulus bill up then Loeffler and Perdue are in the impossible position of having to choose between disagreeing with Trump or disagreeing with the need for more stimulus.

Keep in mind that in 2009 the Dems had a 58 senator majority, a huge house majority and the White House, but McConnell’s obstruction forced the Dems to settle on a $700 billion bailout for the financial crisis that included no direct payments to Americans and was almost entirely a corporate giveaway. The Dems got a better stimulus bill this time despite McConnell being majority leader and Pelosi having a much slimmer majority in the house. That’s not Mitch playing 5D chess, it’s him begrudgingly making more concessions than he’d like because he’s worried about losing his senate majority.

[Winehole23]

the internet should be considered a public utility, but this isn't nothing and the help is overdue.



Americans who have low incomes or who lost their jobs during the pandemic will be eligible for $50-per-month broadband subsidies under the stimulus package (https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-116HR133SA-RCP-116-68.pdf) passed by Congress last night. Congress is providing $3.2 billion from the US Treasury for a new Emergency Broadband Connectivity Fund that will be administered by the Federal Communications Commission.

Subsidies won't be distributed immediately, as it could take a couple of months or more for the FCC to start the program. The $50 monthly payments won't go directly to broadband users but will be paid to ISPs that provide free or reduced-cost broadband under the program. ISPs will be responsible for verifying each household's eligibility and seeking reimbursement from the FCC.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/12/50-per-month-emergency-broadband-subsidies-approved-in-pandemic-stimulus/

[CosmicCowboy]

Trash says he wants $2K, Dems agree. It's on the Repugs now.

Trash didn't propose $2K because the Dems didn't fight for it. He did it to "Look at dickless, LOSER me. I only fuck up stuff, see. Keep watching ME fuck stuff up"

Dems and Repugs have already "bent over" to accept each other's demands, which includes huge tax breaks for business.

On what grounds would the Dems obstruct the current bill with the $2000?

Labor gets crumbs, Capitalists get $100Bs

===============

Buried in Pandemic Aid Bill: Billions to Soothe the Richest

The voluminous coronavirus relief and spending bill that blasted through Congress on Monday includes provisions — good, bad and just plain strange — that few lawmakers got to read.

a $200 billion giveaway to the rich.

It involves the tens of thousands of businesses that received loans from the federal government this spring with the promise that the loans would be forgiven, tax free, if they agreed to keep employees on the payroll through the coronavirus pandemic.

But for some businesses and their high-paid accountants, that was not enough. They went to Congress with another request:

Not only should the forgiven loans not be taxed as income, but the expenditures used with those loans should be tax deductible.

“High-income business owners have had tax benefits and unprecedented government grants showered down upon then. And the scale is massive,”

$120 billion of the $200 billion would flow to the top 1 percent of Americans.

The new provision allows for a classic double dip into the Payroll Protection Program,

as businesses get free money from the government, then get to deduct that largess from their taxes.

“Congress found plenty of money for foreign countries, lobbyists and special interests, while sending the bare minimum to the American people who need it,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/politics/whats-in-the-covid-relief-bill.html




Making the expense not deductible is the same as making the PPP money taxable. That was never congresses intent. This was bipartisan.

[boutons_deux]

the internet should be considered a public utility, but this isn't nothing and the help is overdue.


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/12/50-per-month-emergency-broadband-subsidies-approved-in-pandemic-stimulus/

Internet and that other network, electricity should be non-profit public utilities, also there should be a national, non-profit public bank, like Bank of North Dakota.

[spurraider21]

There’s an outside chance this is a 5D Chess move by Trump and Cocaine Mitch. They can get fully on board with $2000 checks, go the “if Dems wanted $2000 checks why didn’t they fight harder? Trump spoke up because the Dems wouldn’t, he fights for the people, etc” route, put Dems in a position where they have to bend over and accept Republican demands in order to secure the $2000 checks they’re all already publicly screaming for (and now any Democrat backtracking/obstruction that prevents that amount of payment will instantly be blamed on the Dems), and massively swing Trump’s approval rating and win Georgia easily.

The easy explanation is Trump is a big whiny pussy and he did this to screw over Mitch, but I’m willing to entertain that they set a trap for the Democrats and last night’s Lib tweetgasm over 2K checks shows that it worked.
so its a 5D chess move for trump to campaign after he already lost the election? there's no way this reflects will on republican congressmen

[boutons_deux]

McConnell lost on corporate COVID-19 liability, so he found another way to punish workers

The CARES Act passed in March required employers to provide two weeks of paid sick leave to workers who were infected with the coronavirus. McConnell blocked lawmakers from extending that requirement in this package.

Those two weeks of paid leave were required

for sick employees,
for employees who needed to care for a quarantining relative, and
there was an additional 10-week paid leave requirement for workers with children whose schools or day cares closed for pandemic-related reason.

It's gone now with McConnell's assistance,

But what did get extended was a tax credit to business, fully subsidizing the cost of paying out sick leave through next March.

So businesses, if they feel like it, can extend the leave and be reimbursed.

What this means is that people who are sick are going to keep going to work because they have to.

They are going to infect their coworkers and their customers, because it's that or have no income.

, a study (https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00863?utm_campaign=Covid19fasttrack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Ziebarth&utm_source=hasu&) by Health Affairs found it worked to slow the spread of COVID-19.

It also cost far less than projected, with just $1.3 billion claimed in tax credits compared to the projections that it would cost $105 billion.

So doing the right thing by workers was actually helping and businesses weren't overburdened.

There was absolutely no reason for McConnell to do this other than sheer cruelty to working people.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/22/2003493/-McConnell-lost-on-corporate-COVID-19-liability-so-he-found-another-way-to-punish-workers?detail=emaildkre

[Chucho]

Boutons, when was the last time you were part of the workforce?

[FrostKing]

Boutons, when was the last time you were part of the workforce?
:wakeup

[Winehole23]

Boutons, when was the last time you were part of the workforce?

My working hypothesis is that boutons is a wealthy industrialist with a bad conscience.

[spurraider21]

My working hypothesis is that boutons is a wealthy industrialist with a bad conscience.
i like the trust fund baby theory

[FrostKing]

My working hypothesis is that boutons is a wealthy industrialist with a bad conscience.
Retired old man with mixed grandkids

[benefactor]

i like the trust fund baby theory
tbh

[spurraider21]

Retired old man with mixed grandkids
probably retired black man who fucked white women

[Bogie]

Boutons, when was the last time you were part of the workforce?

I don’t care about boutons at all, but it’s always funny to watch people who inherited everything to critique another’s work history. At least you’re not as phony as cc

[FrostKing]

probably retired black man who fucked white women
Liberal white guy who raised a daughter to get passed around

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep9fhWyU8AADJfZ?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

scuttlebutt

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[FrostKing]

Aren’t you a Polish-towelhead halfbreed?
:lol

Only Polaks in my familiy tree.

[Winehole23]

:lol

Only Polaks in my familiy tree.How can you be sure of that?

[FrostKing]

How can you be sure of that?
Just what is known of our family. Very few can trace back thousands of years.

[Winehole23]

Just what is known of our family. Very few can trace back thousands of years.So then, there could be Jews and blacks and Roma and swarthy complected southern Europeans in your background, and you would never know it.

[baseline bum]

scuttlebutt

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GOP faggots whining about Trump after four years of doing everything they could to empower him to do whatever the fuck he wants.

[FrostKing]

So then, there could be Jews and blacks and Roma and swarthy complected southern Europeans in your background, and you would never know it.
Yes and Asians & Brazilians.

[Winehole23]

GOP faggots whining about Trump after four years of doing everything they could to empower him to do whatever the fuck he wants.In about one month, we're going to see a horde of Republicans/libertarian-freethinkers trying to say "he was never one of us" or "I never liked him."

[Chucho]

I don’t care about boutons at all, but it’s always funny to watch people who inherited everything to critique another’s work history. At least you’re not as phony as cc

Don't really like engaging you, and I'm not trying to insult you, but I have no idea what you're saying here.

Sounds like you're insulting Boutons and then insult me with a back handed compliment by insulting CC.

Sounds about par for you, but want to verify.

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/pattheberner/status/1341827450641154048?s=21

[Bogie]

Don't really like engaging you, and I'm not trying to insult you, but I have no idea what you're saying here.

Sounds like you're insulting Boutons and then insult me with a back handed compliment by insulting CC.

Sounds about par for you, but want to verify.

you’re reading comprehension is up to par I see.

It is absolutely the height of hypocrisy and lack of character for someone who inherited their place in the work force from the work done by people before them to insult anyone else’s work history.

yet here you are.

But at least you don’t brag about your possessions much like the other poster

[Winehole23]

Trump's attempt to shame Dems about the size of the stimulus and his veto of the defense bill made this all possible.:tu

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[MultiTroll]

^ regardless it will eventually have to have at least 3 of the Repug Senate to switch?

[DMX7]

My working hypothesis is that boutons is a wealthy industrialist with a bad conscience.


i like the trust fund baby theory

I really doubt both of these things. My guess is that he’s an academic type and probably not wealthy.

[Winehole23]

^ regardless it will eventually have to have at least 3 of the Repug Senate to switch?Yah, probably not going to pass. If it doesn't, the GOP will essentially have given itself a black eye by failing to give us a bigger check, and by deviating from Trump.

[Winehole23]

There's a legit argument that this is all empty theater, for maximum leverage the Dems wouldn't do the CASH act as a stand alone bill, but attach it instead as an amendment to the broader bill.

[boutons_deux]

Yah, probably not going to pass. If it doesn't, the GOP will essentially have given itself a black eye by failing to give us a bigger check, and by deviating from Trump.

deviating from Trash will be main theme for 2021 Repugs, in their battle to regain control of their group of oligarchy's whores, while hanging to the Trash's 74M racist, coverup cult mob.

[boutons_deux]

Aid Holdup Threatens Another Blow for Already-Shaky U.S. Economy


https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i2ViDIpVnQiE/v2/pidjEfPlU1QWZop3vfGKsrX.ke8XuWirGYh1PKgEw44kE/930x-1.png


It could take as long as a month before people receive their funds and even later for the effects to filter into the economy,

803,000 Americans filed for state unemployment benefits last week, still almost quadruple the pre-pandemic level.

Even activity in the red-hot housing market is cooling off as home sales fell last month despite mortgage rates at record lows (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-24/u-s-mortgage-rates-drop-to-record-low-2-66-for-30-year-loans).

Nearly 4 million Americans have been unemployed for longer than six months, and

research has shown it becomes more difficult to get a job and these people are more likely to accept lower-paid work,

cutting into their spending and future opportunities.

The holdup “adds insult to injury at a time when people are losing checks, and

they are already living on fumes,”

“This is huge. It’s 14 million people going off a cliff.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-25/aid-holdup-threatens-another-blow-for-already-shaky-u-s-economy

[Winehole23]

Who knew that giving people money can stave off poverty and economic decline?

[boutons_deux]

Poultry Farms in Apartment 13D Show Scale of Pandemic-Aid Fraud

Newly released SBA data reveal thousands of $10,000 grants went to people who falsely claimed to have businesses they didn’t have.

It’s a residential street like thousands of others across the country, home to nurses, computer techs, hairdressers and retirees.

But if records from the Small Business Administration are to be believed,

this block is also a bustling commercial hub.

One man claims to employ at least 10 people in his apartment on one floor of a two-flat.

Next door, an occupant of a handsome three-story with limestone quoins does the same.

Ditto for a couple of her neighbors across the street.

In all, the block, lacking so much as a single storefront or neon sign, contains 18 businesses employing at least 10 people each, according to the SBA.

In June and July, all 18 were approved for $10,000 pandemic-relief grants.

SBA Administrator Jovita Carranza has defended the agency’s performance :lol

The disaster-aid program has distributed about $194 billion in low-interest loans to 3.6 million small businesses across the country,

as well as $20 billion in 5.8 million grants of as much as $10,000 that don’t have to be repaid.

It’s separate from the $525 billion Paycheck Protection Program, which offered forgivable loans through private lenders.

“SBA takes seriously its stewardship of taxpayer dollars :lol

and

has designed a robust loan review process

to ensure that only eligible borrowers received loans that fully complied with program requirements,” :lol

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-12-24/small-business-administration-sba-loan-fraud-payouts-show-magnitude-of-issue

Journalists found fraud from SBA's own data.

Will Biden's SBA pursue the fraudsters, get the money back, and punish the fraudsters? or "move on"

[Winehole23]

Who knew that giving people money can stave off poverty and economic decline?
Answer: the CARES Act made it plain to everyone that mass impoverishment isn't cyclical or even episodic. It's a policy choice, every time.

[DMX7]

So Lindsey Graham is now for $2000 stimulus checks? And of course much of the money for foreign causes was stuff Lindsey probably was fighting for.

[Winehole23]

So Lindsey Graham is now for $2000 stimulus checks? And of course much of the money for foreign causes was stuff Lindsey probably was fighting for.It looks like he's tying it to repealing Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/132430016_1125578891205037_8680582480709124230_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=5wYyVsPFiVMAX9wI8wh&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&tp=6&oh=1da1451056ac4650c2bf6069f913c5f0&oe=600D7595

[boutons_deux]

Majestic Overshoot of Stimulus Money Ended.

Faced with Second Wave, Americans Cut Back, Even on Durable Goods

Consumers are starting to run out of artificial steam.

The free Pandemic money has been dropping for months and in November nearly faded out.

For the first time since April, consumers spent less all around;

they spent less on services, nondurable goods,

and even on durable goods, which had been spiking in astounding manner.

https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/US-consumer-PCE-2020-12-23-personal-income-.png

https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/US-consumer-PCE-2020-12-23-personal-income-UI-Stimulus-welfare.png

https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/US-consumer-PCE-2020-12-23-personal-income-wages-salaries.png

https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/US-consumer-PCE-2020-12-23-personal-income-overshoot.png


https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/US-consumer-PCE-2020-12-23-spending-total.png

https://wolfstreet.com/2020/12/23/the-state-of-the-american-consumer-second-wave-hits-spending/

[Winehole23]

Our government won't give a damn until the investor/political donor class starts getting scared again. Then it'll be a god damn emergency.

[Winehole23]

Our government is broken.

[Winehole23]

leaving these 14 million people screwed during thse most intense phase of an historical pandemic is a political choice:

1342849307553234947

[boutons_deux]

The "smartest guy in the room" asshole economist Larry Summers said $2000 would over heat the economy,

the "economy" being nothing but sterile numbers important only to the Capitalist oligarchy, and devoid of $0.001 of humanity.

[Winehole23]

The "smartest guy in the room" asshole economist Larry Summers said $2000 would over heat the economy,

the "economy" being nothing but sterile numbers important only to the Capitalist oligarchy, and devoid of $0.001 of humanity.Larry Summers needs to be cancelled.

[Ef-man]

The "smartest guy in the room" asshole economist Larry Summers said $2000 would over heat the economy,

the "economy" being nothing but sterile numbers important only to the Capitalist oligarchy, and devoid of $0.001 of humanity.

Bad enough that he can make two sentences last 10 minutes in a speech but he is an idiot as a leader.

[TimDunkem]

"overheat the economy"

What does that even mean?

[Winehole23]

"overheat the economy"

What does that even mean?he's afraid of inflation, believe it or not

[boutons_deux]

he's afraid of inflation, believe it or not

The Capitalist racketeering tool the Fed will solve "over heating" by raising interest rates with the express, single purpose of killing 100Ks of jobs.

[DMX7]

The Capitalist racketeering tool the Fed will solve "over heating" by raising interest rates with the express, single purpose of killing 100Ks of jobs.

You just want to have your cake and eat it too.

[DMX7]

1342952489692250112

I’m not sure Trump does know and he certainly doesn’t care that much if at all if he’s golfing during this epic crisis on multiple fronts.

[Winehole23]

1342952489692250112

I’m not sure Trump does know and he certainly doesn’t care that much if at all if he’s golfing during this epic crisis on multiple fronts.Meanwhile, VP Pence is quarantined with his family in a ski lodge in Vail, Colorado, monitoring the COVID-19 situation.

[DMX7]

Meanwhile, VP Pence is quarantined with his family in a ski lodge in Vail, Colorado, monitoring the COVID-19 situation.

He’s a man of the people.

[Winehole23]

plausible scenario

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[Winehole23]

Last summer, Pelosi does a deal with Mnuchin, McConnell says no.

Now: Pelosi does a deal with McConnell, Trump says no.

*But it's the Dems fault for being inflexible*

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Last summer, Pelosi does a deal with Mnuchin, McConnell says no.

Now: Pelosi does a deal with McConnell, Trump says no.

*But it's the Dems fault for being inflexible*

Pretty consistent within a certain segment of the GOP. The Christian caucus in the Texas legislature got behind marijuana legislation years ago citing that Genesis verse but Patrick won't allow the bipartisan bills that easily pass the House see the similarly disposed Senate floor.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqQuv0yW8AEeFMG?format=png&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

1342991859103264769

[boutons_deux]

1342991859103264769

I think this or other article said the bulk is buying on margin.

If / when the market collapses, margin calls gonna hurt.

[CosmicCowboy]

I like playing in the market but refuse to do margin/multiplier stuff.

[ElNono]

“It is really insane, and this president has got to finally . . . do the right thing for the American people and stop worrying about his ego,” Sanders said.

[Winehole23]

“It is really insane, and this president has got to finally . . . do the right thing for the American people and stop worrying about his ego,” Sanders said.Pocket veto --> government shut down until Jan 21st.

[ducks]

Not Sending billions overseas is looking out for USA
Take the pork out of it

[ElNono]

Take the ducks out of it.

[Winehole23]

Not Sending billions overseas is looking out for USA
Take the pork out of itIf Trump was serious about it, he'd be meeting with lawmakers and telling them what he'd be willing to sign, but he's not doing that. Instead he's bunkered down, watching cable TV and shitting his pants, letting the government shut down and leaving millions of Americans without help in an epochal pandemic.

[ChumpDumper]

If Trump was serious about it, he'd be meeting with lawmakers and telling them what he'd be willing to sign, but he's not doing that. Instead he's bunkered down, watching cable TV and shitting his pants, letting the government shut down and leaving millions of Americans without help in an epochal pandemic.Actually he's golfing.

[Winehole23]

Actually he's golfing.Right now?

[ducks]

The White House issued a statement that it has secured a promise from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to hold a standalone vote for $2,000 per person relief checks Trump had been pushing for, over the $600 that is in the bill.

The statement also said the Senate will consider legislation to repeal "Section 230" of the Communications Act that gives immunity to social media publishers. It also said the Senate would conduct investigations into voter fraud.

Trump earlier tweeted "Good news on Covid Relief Bill. Information to follow!" but did not give further details as millions of Americans struggling through the pandemic faced the loss of unemployment benefits.

[Winehole23]

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[ChumpDumper]

1343364280201203714:lol what a drama queen

[Spurminator]

Trump caves to Mitch and Nancy.

[spurraider21]

Trump approved all those millions to gender programs in pakistan!

[DMX7]

Trump approved all those millions to gender programs in pakistan!

He's just another politician.

[boutons_deux]

Will trash bother to come back to DC?

[benefactor]

The Folding

[pgardn]

Red team is a bunch of hypocrites:

concerned about the deficit my ass...

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had seized on Trump's call for $2,000 checks last week and brought to the floor a standalone bill that would have boosted the amount for relief checks on Thursday. House Republicans, however, objected to the bill over deficit concerns.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[ElNono]

It’s all bullshit. He caved.

[Winehole23]

It’s all bullshit. He caved.No doubt.

Master negotiator took the weekend off and turned that $600 into $600, while letting UI expire for 14 million Americans.

He won't get the rescissions he demanded, nor the Section 230 reform, nor money to investigate the election.

[ElNono]

No doubt.

Master negotiator took the weekend off and turned that $600 into $600, while letting UI expire for 14 million Americans.

He won't get the rescissions he demanded, nor the Section 230 reform, nor money to investigate the election.

Pretty much. The biggest loser doing the biggest loser things

[Bogie]

Red team is a bunch of hypocrites:

concerned about the deficit my ass...

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had seized on Trump's call for $2,000 checks last week and brought to the floor a standalone bill that would have boosted the amount for relief checks on Thursday. House Republicans, however, objected to the bill over deficit concerns.


they’re not hypocrites. They are evil lying fucks that prey upon fear and ignorance to normalize vile actions.

[ElNono]

Lmao the only time the GOP Congress stands their ground against Dear Leader is when they have to give more money to the poor...

votingrepublican.jpg

[baseline bum]

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The cruelty is the feature, not the bug, with Trump and the GOP.

[baseline bum]

votingrepublican.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/M9MhcvT/votingreplublican.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

the turtle crawled out of his shell to make a statement

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[Winehole23]

failing to provide federal assistance to constitutionally-capped state governments is bad policy in the short term and will be a drag on economic recovery.


Democratic state officials have big plans for expanding health insurance coverage. The problem is, their states are broke.

The pandemic brought on massive budget gaps that will likely force Democratic state officials to scale back their most ambitious coverage plans when many legislatures convene for new sessions in the coming weeks. Plans to create a state-led public option or join Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion become tougher sells when states are also confronting budget crunches that have their officials contemplating deep cuts to public services.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/28/pandemic-sinks-health-insurance-expansion-450421

[Winehole23]

the turtle crawled out of his shell to make a statement

13433655278514298882017: GOP redistributes $1.7 trillion to the top of the income scale without offsetting budget cuts or new taxes. Champagne celebration and chest thumping ensue.

2020: Trump loses, Republicans whine about the deficit.

[baseline bum]

2017: GOP redistributes $1.7 trillion to the top of the income scale without offsetting budget cuts or new taxes. Champagne celebration and chest thumping ensue.

2020: Trump loses, Republicans whine about the deficit.

Thought it was more like $2.3 trillion.

[Winehole23]

Thought it was more like $2.3 trillion.My bad, I was citing the figure by heart, didn't want to overshoot. Published figures seem to vary.

Unsurprising if the size of the cut ended up bigger than initial projections, the prediction the tax cut would pay for itself was based on wonky estimates too:

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/VoterVitals_Gale_TaxCuts_Table.png?w=944

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/did-the-2017-tax-cut-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-pay-for-itself/

[Spurminator]

$2000 should be tied to:

1. Tax returns or unemployment showing a loss of income in 2020
2. COVID vaccinations

But I'm not holding my breath.

[Winehole23]

$2000 should be tied to:

1. Tax returns or unemployment showing a loss of income in 2020
2. COVID vaccinations

But I'm not holding my breath.I don't think it should be tied to anything, tbh. I also think it should be recurring until the pandemic is over.

[boutons_deux]

2017: GOP redistributes $1.7 trillion to the top of the income scale without offsetting budget cuts or new taxes. Champagne celebration and chest thumping ensue.

2020: Trump loses, Republicans whine about the deficit.

and there were $100Bs passed out to BigCorp, the wealthy in CARES, including $78B retroactive tax break to luxury r/e owners/investors, eg, Jared K.

This second stimulus bill is aimed mostly at SMBs and individuals with much less than CARES' $100Bs for the top end, so Repugs say fuck that.

[boutons_deux]

Over a dozen hate groups got PPP loans totaling $4.3 million

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/27/2001182/-Over-a-dozen-hate-groups-got-PPP-loans-totaling-4-3-million-analysis-reveals?detail=emaildkre

[spurraider21]

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[Trill Clinton]

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[Reck]

:lol Bill to boost aid to 2000 actually passed the house and moves onto the senate.

I didn’t think enough republicans were going to go for it. Mitch the turtle is going to buttfuck it into oblivion though.

[Winehole23]

:wow Senate giving cover to House (R)s, but that's a higher number than I expected.

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[Winehole23]

1343714583287115777

[spurraider21]

wouldnt 2/3 of the house be 290? not 275

[Winehole23]

Ed Markey wil object, too.

[boutons_deux]

wouldnt 2/3 of the house be 290? not 275

yep

[Winehole23]

wouldnt 2/3 of the house be 290? not 275

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[boutons_deux]

Ted Cruz defends effort to secure pandemic relief for oil and gas companies, including one run by major donors

Texas billionaires Dan and Farris Wilks,

major Cruz backers, went on a buying spree around the same time that they got a $35 million emergency loan

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/12/28/ted-cruz-defends-effort-to-secure-pandemic-relief-for-oil-and-gas-companies-including-one-run-by-major-donors/

[pgardn]

wouldnt 2/3 of the house be 290? not 275

So not everyone voted.
275 is 67% and change or just over 2/3 of those that voted (409)
Which then I would ask how many total must vote for the 2/3 to count?

[JamStone]

What are the chances it passes in the Senate? I’m assuming not a very high chance?

[Will Hunting]

What are the chances it passes in the Senate? I’m assuming not a very high chance?
Cocaine Mitch won’t even bring it to the floor for a vote and Schumer is too much of a pussy to go medieval.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

Often the only way anything gets done in Washington is if you inconvenience Senators enough.

ALWAYS the only way anything gets done in Washington is if BigDonor bribes Senators enough.

eg, Repugs, and Dems, are bribed to enrich/protect/enable the BigDonor class, and impoverish/ignore everybody else.

[Winehole23]

one wonders whether the politics are so bad for (R)s at this point that Mitch will cave rather than repeatedly object to $2000 under the spotlight.

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[baseline bum]

one wonders whether the politics are so bad for (R)s at this point that Mitch will cave rather than repeatedly object to $2000 under the spotlight.

1343944802472226818

That should get it to 50. So if no other Republican votes for it it would be on Pence to kill it. :lol

[Winehole23]

That should get it to 50. So if no other Republican votes for it it would be on Pence to kill it. :lolThe big question is whether McConnell will allow the vote.

[baseline bum]

The big question is whether McConnell will allow the vote.

Well he said he would, and you know how much his word is worth :lol

[Winehole23]

Well he said he would, and you know how much his word is worth :lolHas Manchin given any indication what he'll do?

[baseline bum]

Has Manchin given any indication what he'll do?

Can't see him voting against. What broke-ass WVa voter is going to be mad at him for (1) agreeing with Trump and (2) giving them money?

[Winehole23]

Can't see him voting against. What broke-ass WVa voter is going to be mad at him for (1) agreeing with Trump and (2) giving them money?It's so easy to imagine that guy jumping the fence.

[Trill Clinton]

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Crazy how just a few weeks ago they were against $600 payments.

[baseline bum]

It's so easy to imagine that guy jumping the fence.

Most of the time yes, but WVa voters don't give a shit about McConnell and love Trump so in one of the rare times they disagree I'd expect him to side with the Dear Leader. It's a no-brainer to side with both the Trump base and his Democratic base voting for the $2000. I mean how many Romney Republicans do you think there are in West Va?

[spurraider21]

1343948171018436614


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Crazy how just a few weeks ago they were against $600 payments.
according to Chris this is bribing voters, right?

[Winehole23]

according to Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) this is bribing voters, right?It's also socialism. Nikki Haley says this sort of thing mainstreams it.

[Reck]

That should get it to 50. So if no other Republican votes for it it would be on Pence to kill it. :lol

I read you need 60 from the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/29/bernie-sanders-stimulus-2000-mcconnell/

[ED-209]

Hawley and Rubio also saying they’ll vote yes.

[Winehole23]

Mitch just blocked it. Making noises about Section 230 and election fraud.


Sanders objected to voting on the NDAA. He can drag things out until New Year's Day, but that's all.

[spurraider21]

I read you need 60 from the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/29/bernie-sanders-stimulus-2000-mcconnell/
?

thats referring to the vote to override Trump's veto on the other bill. bernie said he will filibuster those attempts unless the $2000 bill is voted on. the 60 votes they are referencing is what mitch would need to end bernie's filibuster and bring the other bill up to a vote instead of the $2000 bill

[ChumpDumper]

1343948171018436614


1343943989804867585

Crazy how just a few weeks ago they were against $600 payments.https://9b16f79ca967fd0708d1-2713572fef44aa49ec323e813b06d2d9.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.c om/1140x_a10-7_cTC/unique-39235-1-jpg-1555093214.jpg

If Mitch indeed killed it, Democrats need to jump on GA hard explaining the only way to get more aid is to get rid of demon turtle.

[baseline bum]

https://9b16f79ca967fd0708d1-2713572fef44aa49ec323e813b06d2d9.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.c om/1140x_a10-7_cTC/unique-39235-1-jpg-1555093214.jpg

If Mitch indeed killed it, Democrats need to jump on GA hard explaining the only way to get more aid is to get rid of demon turtle.

This is the Democrats we're talking about though

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3679/11721293954_9876d9a205_o.gif

[Dirks_Finale]

Worst move of his career, tbh. Will likely cost the Republicans the senate, imo.


Mitch just blocked it. Making noises about Section 230 and election fraud.


Sanders objected to voting on the NDAA. He can drag things out until New Year's Day, but that's all.

[Spurminator]

It's insane that one person that most of the country has no opportunity to vote for/against has the power to prevent legislation from even going to a vote.

[TimDunkem]

It's insane that one person that most of the country has no opportunity to vote for/against has the power to prevent legislation from even going to a vote.
Few have done more to hurt fellow Americans than Moscow "Cocaine" Mitch the Bitch McConnell and the people of Kentucky who continue to vote him in.

[Winehole23]

Worst move of his career, tbh. Will likely cost the Republicans the senate, imo.If so, he'll cease being the most powerful Speaker in history and go cry on his wife's big pile of money.

[spurraider21]

so to be clear, the president has asked for 2k checks. the house passed the bill for 2k checks (including 40+ republicans), the bill for 2k checks has bipartisan support in the senate (the 2 GA republicans, rubio, and hawley have all said they support it).

and mitch single handedly shuts the whole thing down? wtf

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqa7boNXUAE0sex?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

so to be clear, the president has asked for 2k checks. the house passed the bill for 2k checks (including 40+ republicans), the bill for 2k checks has bipartisan support in the senate (the 2 GA republicans, rubio, and hawley have all said they support it).

and mitch single handedly shuts the whole thing down? wtfUnderscores yet again the GOP's anti-democratic/authoritarian will to power.

[Dirks_Finale]

so to be clear, the president has asked for 2k checks. the house passed the bill for 2k checks (including 40+ republicans), the bill for 2k checks has bipartisan support in the senate (the 2 GA republicans, rubio, and hawley have all said they support it).

and mitch single handedly shuts the whole thing down? wtf

Biden may not be alone in dealing with cognitive decline, tbh.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqbEU4dVEAA2rts?format=jpg&name=small